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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:36:13pm

Bringing it over:

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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:39:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:48:26pm

The Simpsons - The Moon Of Earth

In honor of Trump’s Moon Force.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:51:28pm

I’m taking a break from this.

ALL trumps are cunts.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:52:41pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:53:14pm

re: #4 I Would Prefer Not To

Be well come back all the stronger. ;-)

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:55:43pm

Side note: When Amazon messes up and “Add On” item, it is ridiculously complex to fix the problem as they don’t do replacements for “Add On” items.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:56:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:58:17pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

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Those agents had every right to be worried about what a Trump presidency. Only fucking Lumpy would make Trump the victim on the night we actually heard the cries of children separaetd from their parents. Lumpy, I hope you rot for the non stop lies and propaganda you do for Trump. There’s a special place for people like you.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:58:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:58:52pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

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You know, I see his tweets alot, I really really enjoyed his sitcom back in the day. He’s still a clever dude and he’s on our side!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:00:12pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:00:17pm

Is Mexico going to pay for the Space Force too?

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Chrysicat  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:00:33pm

Spammit, CL’d.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:01:41pm

re: #14 Chrysicat

Spammit, CL’d.

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I see someone only cares about Whataboutism. I’d ask them did they care in 2014?

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:03:25pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:09:15pm

Amid all this horrible news, I offer some good news. My newest granddaughter was born in Iowa this evening (USA time). Mother and daughter are doing well.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:10:22pm

re: #17 wheat-dogg

Mazel Tov!

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Chrysicat  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:10:30pm

I do have to ask one question: once the parents are gone, are they planning to try to adopt these children out into American families and ‘only’ destroy their culture, or are they planning to exterminate the children?

Sending them back to their families in the country of origin isn’t an option when there are no records keeping track of who their families are…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:10:43pm

VOMITS

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:14:05pm

re: #7 freetoken

Side note: When Amazon messes up and “Add On” item, it is ridiculously complex to fix the problem as they don’t do replacements for “Add On” items.

They solved that problem for me by sending me five of an item and crediting me the cost difference from the addon item. So I got four free.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:16:19pm

In other happy news, I’m out of the hospital and it wasn’t a heart attack. Now I have to figure out what would cause a life-threatening bronchiospasm.

And oh, yes, fuck Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:17:57pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

If Trump and his ilk permanently leave Earth, the Space Force would be worth every penny.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:20:16pm

re: #20 The Vicious Babushka

VOMITS

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You’re allowed to apply for asylum in this country, you Nazi witch. FUCK YOU.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:21:14pm

Hey have any of these Pulpit Pimps chimed in yet?

Nope.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:21:17pm

re: #20 The Vicious Babushka

VOMITS

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She’s such an evil bitch. But hey Laura you can’t hide behind the holy holiday excuse like you did last time. You’re just a malicious person.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:21:54pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey have any of these Pulpit Pimps chimed in yet?

Nope.

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Even Franklin Graham chimed in. I always thought Osteen was the biggest fraud of them all with his fake smile.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:22:02pm

re: #13 Winston_Smith

Is Mexico going to pay for the Space Force too?

Only if they transport Trump and his gang to Mars and leave them.

No. Check that. Not Mars. Venus. It’s the closest thing we have to actual hell.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:22:20pm

re: #20 The Vicious Babushka

VOMITS

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The best part of these people talking is they prove we’re not a Christian nation.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:22:32pm

re: #23 Patricia Kayden

If Trump and his ilk permanently leave Earth, the Space Force would be worth every penny.

Put Trump, his family and his pals in the Jupiter 2…and have Dr. Smith sabotage it!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:23:34pm

re: #29 Belafon

The best part of these people talking is they prove we’re not a Christian nation.

But the worst part is they prove that we still have a lot of evil in our nation.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:24:00pm

re: #29 Belafon

The best part of these people talking is they prove we’re not a Christian nation.

America isn’t a Christian Nation. It’s been Ayn Rand’s nation ever since the New Right came to power in 1978 with Prop 13.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:24:54pm

So many of these people I see. Ethnic names. Some of whom I even know like Miller who had immigrants who were fleeing conditions not unlike what these people are. And they still show no heart. None at fucking at all. I wish their immigrant ancestors could rise from the dead and kick their asses.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:25:23pm

Smallpox Champion

Smallpox champion u s of a
Give natives some blankets
Warm like the grave
This is the pattern cut from the cloth
This is the pattern designed to take you right out
This is the frontier with winter’s so cold
Greed informs action where action makes bold
To take all the cotton that’s cut from the stalk
Weave the disease that’s gonna wipe you right out
What is good for the future what was good for the past -
Won’t last
Bury your heart u s of a history rears up to spit in your face
You saw what you wanted
You took what you saw
We know how you got it
Your method equals wipe out
The end of the frontier and all that you own
Under the blankets of all that you’ve done
Memory serves us to serve you
Yet memory serves us to never let you wipe out
Cha-cha-cha-champion
You’ll get yours
Wipe out

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:25:44pm

re: #32 Joe Bacon 🌹

America isn’t a Christian Nation. It’s been Ayn Rand’s nation ever since the New Right came to power in 1978 with Prop 13.

The marriage of her philosophy to Calvinist social doctrines was one of the worst marriages ever in philosophy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:26:31pm

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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:27:09pm

The term “Christian” no longer has any meaning here. If anything it’s become a slur describing greedy self righteous pricks who only believe in themselves.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:27:46pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

But the worst part is they prove that we still have a lot of evil in our nation.

Hopefully more people will see it.

I am an optimist. I fully believe we can end up better than where we are. But I try not to be blind to what people around me are like (though, being a white male, it can be tough to see it all), and i try not to be blind to who I am as a person, though I know I often fail. While I am an optimist, I have never been in the “it can’t happen here camp.” I just think the failure occurs because so many people don’t have keeping evil in its place on their to-do lists.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:27:54pm

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:29:36pm

re: #38 Belafon

Hopefully more people will see it.

I am an optimist. I fully believe we can end up better than where we are. But I try not to be blind to what people around me are like (though, being a white male, it can be tough to see it all), and i try not to be blind to who I am as a person, though I know I often fail. While I am an optimist, I have never been in the “it can’t happen here camp.” I just think the failure occurs because so many people don’t have keeping evil in its place on their to-do lists.

I hope you’re right. I’m not fully cynical but I must confess it’s been harder for me to be optimistic. I’m worried less about what will happen at the polls but defeating this mindset within society. I desperately fear another two term successful Democratic president arising right wing resentment and a new right wing evil to form but I intend to do everything I can to flip my district this fall.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:30:48pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:33:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:34:18pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

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Oh it’s far worse than that, they get this have to acknowledge trans people by their preferred pronoun. So much anxiety!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:34:55pm
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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:36:05pm

Wow.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:36:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:37:34pm

re: #45 makeitstop

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Wow.

I bet Donald and Eric Jr are either going to respond to this or like some of the most nasty replies to it. I adore Chelsea. She’s gotten hate from the right wing hate machine from the time she was a child and still carries on.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:38:38pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

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I see Rush has finally gone the way of his long lost son, Alex Jones. Sey Hersh? LOL. Oh and BTW Rush, Hersh correctly exposed My Lai, maybe you should use an actual hoaxer rather than someone who actually did uncover something evil but go ahead play your anti semitic little games.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:38:55pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

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GASP!

You mean Pigboy didn’t invoke…The Dreaded George Soros?

I’m shocked!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:40:07pm

re: #49 Joe Bacon 🌹

GASP!

You mean Pigboy didn’t invoke…The Dreaded George Soros?

I’m shocked!

Needed another Jew to rag on, Joe.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:44:09pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:44:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:45:32pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

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Appears that way.

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Chrysicat  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:47:38pm
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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:50:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:53:04pm

re: #55 jaunte

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Regarding Bush, I was really glad to see that his family seems united in opposition to this. I sure as hell disagree with them on a lot of stuff and I sure as hell wanted to see him denied a second term but on immigration, W was not and is not a monster and in fact I would say is a fundamentally decent human being that I really wish more people in his party had listened to.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:53:18pm

Prick.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:54:11pm

re: #57 jaunte

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Prick.

And you know these families aren’t going to be afford attorneys. If our firm was closer to the border, I’d be encouraging my boss to do this pro bono. Man this is just sick.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:54:54pm

re: #41 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:54:56pm

Trump is a monster. And I hope his grandchildren grow up knowing that he is and that their grandfather ruined thousands of lives simply to appease a racist cult that he created.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:56:10pm

re: #41 The Vicious Babushka

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The thread was legit nuts.

Who the fuck decided to make this about cultural pain appropriation??

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:57:23pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Trump is a monster. And I hope his grandchildren grow up knowing that he is and that their grandfather ruined thousands of lives simply to appease a racist cult that he created.

I hope they have to change their names, just so people don’t associate them with DJT.

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fern01  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:58:42pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey have any of these Pulpit Pimps chimed in yet?

Nope.

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They only care about kids BEFORE they are born.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:59:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:59:39pm

re: #62 wheat-dogg

I hope they have to change their names, just so people don’t associate them with DJT.

TBH I hope they become really good people and I don’t give up complete hope they won’t because I’ve seen Nicholas Frank- son of Hans Frank, Nazi Governor of Poland and Amon Goeth’s daughter Monika.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:00:38pm

re: #64 jaunte

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Psst Jeff, this country you know denied people fleeing from Nazi Germany to our shores. But you knew that you racist pile of elf shit.

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plansbandc  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:01:43pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

I don’t think it’s just to appease his sick fuck base. I think he genuinely enjoys being cruel. It’s part of the reason he has such admiration for other dictators.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:02:37pm

The Nazis started deporting Jews from annexed territories in 1939.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:02:50pm

re: #67 plansbandc

I don’t think it’s just to appease his sick fuck base. I think he genuinely enjoys being cruel. It’s part of the reason he has such admiration for other dictators.

I think you’re right unfortunately. Some Trump toadie called me stupid when I said I think Trump envies their absolute power. Totally ignored Trump’s history first as a candidate and now as a President ot kissing the ass of tyrants.

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fern01  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:04:52pm

re: #57 jaunte

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Prick.

Evil Prick

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:04:55pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Trump is a monster. And I hope his grandchildren grow up knowing that he is and that their grandfather ruined thousands of lives simply to appease a racist cult that he created.

As per usual, I think Charles P. Pierce said it well:

The government* of the United States—the thuggish, dishonest and unfathomably cruel administration* that we elected to run the country—has chosen the history of which it will be a part. It is the history of the auction block, of the state-sponsored kidnapper, of the God-alibi-ed prison, of the rattling cattle cars, headed east. That is the history of which the government, and all the people in it, have chosen to be a part. This includes the people who dreamed up this policy, the people who are enforcing this policy, and anyone who isn’t doing anything to stop it. They will be the defendants in the future proceedings, the villains in the future novels, and the monsters in a thousand future nightmares. We choose the history of which we are a part.

Choose.

esquire.com

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:05:09pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:05:13pm

This 3-tweet thread encapsulates so much:

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:05:48pm

re: #68 jaunte

The Nazis started deporting Jews from annexed territories in 1939.

It was part of the Aryanization of Germany and the lebensraum. Empty the territories so that good Aryans could move in.

Sessions probably would approve of it.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:06:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:09:10pm

re: #74 wheat-dogg

It was part of the Aryanization of Germany and the lebensraum. Empty the territories so that good Aryans could move in.

Sessions probably would approve of it.

Yep.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:09:24pm

BREAKING — Trump White House hires Joel Schumacher’s A-Team

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:12:16pm
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William Lewis  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:12:25pm

re: #37 Winston_Smith

The term “Christian” no longer has any meaning here. If anything it’s become a slur describing greedy self righteous pricks who only believe in themselves.

No meaning? Then what, please tell me, should I call this desire in my heart to do what is right by the teachings of Jesus and to bring to life heaven here on earth? I’m not worried about what Graham & the rest of the Pulpit pimps do or say, I’m merely curious what I should consider myself then.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:14:27pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:15:07pm

re: #79 William Lewis

No meaning? Then what, please tell me, should I call this desire in my heart to do what is right by the teachings of Jesus and to bring to life heaven here on earth? I’m not worried about what Graham & the rest of the Pulpit pimps do or say, I’m merely curious what I should consider myself then.

Follower of Jesus.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:16:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:18:12pm

re: #82 jaunte

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Are you fucking kidding me? And this guy is a professor IIRC. Divorce is easy btw because of kids.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:19:01pm

re: #81 Winston_Smith

Follower of Jesus.

And follow Matthew 6:6

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William Lewis  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:20:30pm

re: #81 Winston_Smith

Follower of Jesus.

Ok.

So I should also stop calling myself an American because of the Trump Regime and the Grand Old Fascist Party despite the 16 years I spent wearing woodland camouflage and taking the President’s dollar?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:21:12pm

Grey Wolf

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:22:45pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Trump is a monster. And I hope his grandchildren grow up knowing that he is and that their grandfather ruined thousands of lives simply to appease a racist cult that he created.

No sir. He didn’t create it. FOX created it. And him.

This cult exists because of far right media sources. They may have brought out America’s underlying racism, but nothing gets this bad without the pure evil that is FOX News.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:23:54pm

re: #85 William Lewis

I don’t think the right has debased the term American as badly as they have Christian, but I wouldn’t be calling myself a patriot these days. They’ve stolen that too.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:25:13pm

re: #87 Renaissance_Man

You can’t mention Fox without also mentioning the evil family that owns it.

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Frenchy  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:25:18pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

LOL, pure projection from the actual pioneer of the manufactured faux outrage.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:28:34pm

re: #13 Winston_Smith

Is Mexico going to pay for the Space Force too?

We must build the Moon wall!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:28:44pm

re: #87 Renaissance_Man

No sir. He didn’t create it. FOX created it. And him.

This cult exists because of far right media sources. They may have brought out America’s underlying racism, but nothing gets this bad without the pure evil that is FOX News.

True enough thanks.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:29:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:29:57pm

re: #89 Winston_Smith

You can’t mention Fox without also mentioning the evil family that owns it.

Murdoch gah and then Ailes. They’re only getting more racist.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:30:37pm

re: #4 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m taking a break from this.

ALL trumps are cunts.

Trunts, I call them.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:31:22pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Ailes, thankfully, is dead.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:31:42pm

re: #93 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Uh bailed on their kids? They’re reporters you dumbshit. No one accuses you of bailing on yours when you write right wing propaganda. I do feel sorry for your kids though Sean. I’d hate to have a feckless Trump toady like you for a father.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:32:13pm

I dare any of the polling companies to run a poll in the US asking “Should a business be allowed to refuse service to any group of people the business should so choose?”

I wonder how big of an affirmative result would be.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:32:15pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Ailes, thankfully, is dead.

And not missed. FNC would be even worse if he was still here.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:33:11pm

re: #98 freetoken

I dare any of the polling companies to run a poll in the US asking “Should a business be allowed to refuse service to any group of people the business should so choose?”

I wonder how big of an affirmative result would be.

A lot of people think that’s “freedom.” Gah

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:36:00pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:38:48pm
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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:41:12pm

Too late John. You’re going to be known as Prisoner 4799425 soon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:42:09pm

They are trying to deter people from coming here by convincing them what awaits them here is worse than what they are fleeing from.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:42:43pm

re: #102 Single-handed sailor

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Yeah summer camps have cages and not knowing if you’ll ever see your parents again. FFS I know she’s a right wing bitch but she’s also a parent. Special place for people like her who claim to be righteous while supporting this crap.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:43:24pm

re: #103 MsJ

Too late John. You’re going to be known as Prisoner 4799425 soon.

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Funny, I no longer care if John Kelly spends the rest of his days in misery.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:44:39pm

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

They are trying to deter people from coming here by convincing them what awaits them here is worse than what they are fleeing from.

That’s the self deporting Romney talked about six years ago and Mitt still claims to be to Trump’s right on immigration which I don’t want to know about.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:44:53pm

re: #103 MsJ

Not that he matters, but he’s gone by Friday.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:45:20pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

A parent of a daughter from Guatemala.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:46:17pm

re: #109 Ace Rothstein

A parent of a daughter from Guatemala.

Didn’t know that. Sheesh.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:47:31pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Yep. Adopted her ten (?) years ago. I think of Ingraham as Mommy Dearest.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:48:04pm

re: #111 Ace Rothstein

Yep. Adopted her ten (?) years ago. I think of Ingraham as Mommy Dearest.

That kid probably has some horror stories.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:48:15pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Funny, I no longer care if John Kelly spends the rest of his days in misery.

I hope he does. And is shunned from polite society. Forever.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:48:22pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:49:43pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Yeah summer camps have cages and not knowing if you’ll ever see your parents again. FFS I know she’s a right wing bitch but she’s also a parent. Special place for people like her who claim to be righteous while supporting this crap.

Facebook post I saw: “Democrats support abortion for 50 years and now they care about ripping children from their mothers’ arms?” As though abortion gives them an excuse to be cruel to children.

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:50:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:50:50pm

re: #115 Big Beautiful Door

Facebook post I saw: “Democrats support abortion for 50 years and now they care about ripping children from their mothers’ arms?” As though abortion gives them an excuse to be cruel to children.

Abortion is also a fucking choice. No Democrat supports forced abortions. Trump’s new friends Kim and Xi are fans tho.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:50:54pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget that Mommy Dearest also adopted two boys from Russia, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:52:09pm

re: #113 MsJ

I hope he does. And is shunned from polite society. Forever.

I disagreed when a friend said that they felt no pity for him losing his son. Maybe I’m getting hard hearted but I’m finding myself closer to that sentiment than I was before.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:52:45pm

re: #118 Ace Rothstein

Don’t forget that Mommy Dearest also adopted two boys from Russia, too.

Didn’t know that.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:53:59pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

I can’t even imagine how fucked up that family is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:54:12pm

re: #114 Unshaken Defiance

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Oh I remember the summer camp game of “Where are my parents.” It’s like capture the flag except it’s hsving no idea if you’ll ever see your parents again!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:54:55pm

re: #121 Ace Rothstein

I can’t even imagine how fucked up that family is.

I hope when they grow up, they move far away and Laura is miserable.

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fern01  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:55:31pm

re: #103 MsJ

Too late John. You’re going to be known as Prisoner 4799425 soon.

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Exactly - and he still supports all that trump does - trying to pretend otherwise. Lots of Hitler supporters did the same.

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Chrysicat  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:56:20pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:57:01pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I hope they all become atheist.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:57:46pm

Summer camp probably would feel different if you weren’t allowed to leave.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:58:04pm

re: #126 Ace Rothstein

I hope they all become atheist.

Becoming liberals would be even better. One of them marrying David Hogg or Emma Gonzales even better but especially Dave.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:58:33pm

I hope they get some hidden cameras into those centers soon. I want to know what is really going on

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:59:17pm

re: #127 jaunte

Summer camp probably would feel different if you weren’t allowed to leave.

It reminds me of those who compared water boarding to frat hijinks which suck imo but holy shit.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:01:14pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:01:32pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:02:19pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Ailes, thankfully, is dead.

Yep, and the stake through his heart will keep him that way.

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scottslemmons  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:04:30pm

re: #131 Ace Rothstein

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And she’s probably not disgusted with herself. She’s disgusted with all those reporters for daring to question her.

She had to go back to her office and fillet a 4-year-old to feel better about her day.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:04:31pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:05:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:05:50pm

The audio of those kids crying shook me to the core. It’s been one thing to see the photos but actually hearing the vulnerability of those kids. I’ve seen my little niece get upset when my brother leaves for work or when he’s left for an extended time period but this? I really felt I was hearing the same pain children in the Nazi ghettos and camps felt. I wanted to give them kindness, and love that they’ve lacked since being separated. I can’t stop looking at those kids and not seeing my own niece who looks like many of them.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:06:10pm
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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:06:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:06:40pm

re: #131 Ace Rothstein

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It’s not too late to quit and redeem one’s self.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:07:54pm

Guys thank you. Thank you for being kindness in age of despair.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:09:20pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

It’s all we have left in this time of darkness.

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Chrysicat  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:09:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:10:24pm

re: #142 Ace Rothstein

It’s all we have left in this time of darkness.

I know. I cherish every moment I get with my niece especially. I want her generation to be better than mine.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:11:56pm

re: #143 Chrysicat

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Trump would cry that Israel was being “unfair” to “Ricardo Clement” who is a great, great guy who a lot of people are talking about.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:12:38pm

re: #125 Chrysicat

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Momma is a Russia Troll. Blocked and Reported. And as usual, Twitter will do nothing…

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:13:17pm

You know, there was a reason that Huckabee Sanders didn’t do today’s presser that got pushed back by several hours.

When your horrible actions offend a horrendous, lying cunt like her, it’s really, really bad.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:14:38pm

re: #134 scottslemmons

And she’s probably not disgusted with herself. She’s disgusted with all those reporters for daring to question her.

She had to go back to her office and fillet a 4-year-old to feel better about her day.

This.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:16:13pm

Typical of what one finds this day, a Trumper being all “Christian”:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:17:00pm

re: #147 MsJ

You know, there was a reason that Huckabee Sanders didn’t do today’s presser that got pushed back by several hours.

When your horrible actions offend a horrendous, lying cunt like her, it’s really, really bad.

Hate to be morbid but nothing suggests to me she’s actually bothered by this. After all they planned to separate families early on. I think it’s more akin to the Nazis who couldn’t pull a trigger but had to rely on gas.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:18:07pm

re: #149 freetoken

Typical of what one finds this day, a Trumper being all “Christian”:

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Many in fact are applying for refugee status and illegal immigration remains a civil matter not criminal. Sick of these ignorant liars.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:19:37pm

re: #149 freetoken

Typical of what one finds this day, a Trumper being all “Christian”:

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And Laura P is yet another Russian Troll reported and blocked…

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:19:40pm
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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:20:36pm

re: #153 freetoken

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mmmirele  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:21:02pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Many in fact are applying for refugee status and illegal immigration remains a civil matter not criminal. Sick of these ignorant liars.

The CBP is slow-walking asylum seekers. Here’s a story from less than 2 weeks ago about Cuban refugees waiting on the Hidalgo Bridge, which is one of the ports of entry that can be used by asylum seekers.

brownsvilleherald.com

What’s happening is people are having to wait days and days with their children, they get tired and they go to other ports of entry. That’s when they get arrested and separated from their children.

This administration can’t die fast enough.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:21:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:21:30pm

re: #154 jaunte

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Or arranging flowers for a same sex couple.//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:22:10pm

re: #155 mmmirele

The CBP is slow-walking asylum seekers. Here’s a story from less than 2 weeks ago about Cuban refugees waiting on the Hidalgo Bridge, which is one of the ports of entry that can be used by asylum seekers.

brownsvilleherald.com

What’s happening is people are having to wait days and days with their children, they get tired and they go to other ports of entry. That’s when they get arrested and separated from their children.

This administration can’t die fast enough.

We need to change how we do immigration completely.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:24:26pm

re: #149 freetoken

Typical of what one finds this day, a Trumper being all “Christian”:

And again, seeking asylum is not unlawful. For those concerned that someone might “sneak in” through the asylum process, that’s why we have courts to sort that out.

My spineless Senator Ben Sasse with his concern trolling this morning on Twitter about this being immoral still does nothing. His office did not respond to my E-mail asking him to sign on to Senator Feinstein’s bill S.3130, even to say “no I won’t do that.”

I did not believe there was a never-Trumper when they started announcing, and I do not believe it now. Sasse could be the hero of this piece to Democrats in his state and the legislature.

Like every other conservative since Goldwater, he is self first, party second, country last.

And Sasse was a history major in college. He knows where kidnapping children, such as Argentina, Chile, Germany, Cambodia, and other nations leads.

He is like every other conservative. His position exists to gain and maintain power, nothing more.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:25:40pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:25:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:26:50pm

re: #161 Unshaken Defiance

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I just wish I could actively do something. We’re not near the border unfortunately.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:26:54pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Or arranging flowers for a same sex couple.//

And you know these same conservatives are itching to use their “religious freedom” to return to Jim Crow (aside from discriminating against anyone who is not the proper Christian).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:28:11pm

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

And you know these same conservatives are itching to use their “religious freedom” to return to Jim Crow (aside from discriminating against anyone who is not the proper Christian).

Of course they are.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:28:34pm

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹

They don’t want us to remember about asylum. The whole point is that anyone, ANYONE who shows up at our southern border is an “illegal immigrant” and will be dealt with accordingly.

The is Steve Miller getting his Nazi freak going while the rest of the GOP quietly cheers him on.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:29:35pm

re: #161 Unshaken Defiance

Civil disobedience is in order here (which is one reason why the Texas GOP put that in their platform as undesirable).

The pediatrician in Washington state who called state child services and noted it was her duty to report child abuse, thus she was reporting the maladministration, might be worthwhile to happen.

Teachers, doctors, nurses, everyone with a duty to report in every state calling and swamping states until they take a stand.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:29:42pm

I am applying to jobs specifically involving immigration and I’m going to enroll in Babbel this summer to improve my Spanish though I should note a lot of these children don’t speak Spanish necessarily either.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:30:06pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Many in fact are applying for refugee status and illegal immigration remains a civil matter not criminal. Sick of these ignorant liars.

In fact it being a civil instead of criminal matter is crucial to the administration’s response and something they would never willingly change. If immigration courts were criminal courts then immigrants subject to deportation hearings would have a Sixth Amendment right to counsel, and paying for every asylum seeker to have a lawyer representing them at their hearing would get incredibly expensive. The entire budgetary plausibility of our immigration system depends on us treating simple status violations as low grade civil infractions.

So when Trump supporters say undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers are the same as any other accused criminal breaking the law who don’t get to take their children with them to jail, they’re making an incredibly mendacious false comparison.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:30:06pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:30:06pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I just wish I could actively do something. We’re not near the border unfortunately.

Donate money to groups that are. That’s what I’m doing. As an immigrant myself I CANNOT stand by and let this shit happen. I’m in this fight no matter what.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:30:42pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:16pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I just wish I could actively do something. We’re not near the border unfortunately.

Hillary sent out an appeal to support groups fighting this obscenity via Act Blue. I put $25 in the till for them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:20pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

They don’t want us to remember about asylum. The whole point is that anyone, ANYONE who shows up at our southern border is an “illegal immigrant” and will be dealt with accordingly.

The is Steve Miller getting his Nazi freak going while the rest of the GOP quietly cheers him on.

Steve Miller’s whole pathetic story is he thinks himself a rebel not just from the culture he grew up in but his own family. There’s nothing edgy about being a fascist wanker Stephen.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:42pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Donate money to groups that are. That’s what I’m doing. As an immigrant myself I CANNOT stand by and let this shit happen. I’m in this fight no matter what.

Good idea.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:32:18pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

They don’t want us to remember about asylum. The whole point is that anyone, ANYONE who shows up at our southern border is an “illegal immigrant” and will be dealt with accordingly.

The is Steve Miller getting his Nazi freak going while the rest of the GOP quietly cheers him on.

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Interesting Times  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:32:30pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I just wish I could actively do something. We’re not near the border unfortunately.

Read this whole brilliant thread:

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:32:55pm

Awwww.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:33:00pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

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Carlson honestly in many ways is worse than Hannity. Hear me out, Hannity just aupports everything Trump does while Carlson full out loves the racism of it all.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:33:21pm

re: #176 Interesting Times

Read this whole brilliant thread:

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TY

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:34:28pm

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why it took so long for people to catch on that Theranos was a scam.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:34:50pm

re: #87 Renaissance_Man

No sir. He didn’t create it. FOX created it. And him.

This cult exists because of far right media sources. They may have brought out America’s underlying racism, but nothing gets this bad without the pure evil that is FOX News.

People keep referring to Hair Furor as a businessman but what they are ignoring is what kind of businessman. He’s a salesman that sells himself, which is best described as convincing people to buy something that has his name attached to it. In ignoring the fact that he’s always been a salesman, something that most people in our country abhor dealing with, they also ignore what a crooked salesman he has been and what shitty products he offers. Four bankruptcies and thousands of lawsuits add up to a rich asshole who has used his inheritance to screw others out of their money.

Using outlets like Fox, the Republican party built themselves a base of voters who would rather vote for conservative child molesters and white supremacists than a Democrat. A base that believes they are in a existential crisis and that liberals are trying to destroy Christianity and the American way of life. Conservative voters have been responding to dog whistles for so long that they have been conditioned to drool when they think they hear one. Unfortunately their handlers, the Republican party, have never really been able to deliver the goods for them so they have been awaiting their own savior.

Enter Cheeto Jesus, a con man posing as a salesman out to bilk others out of their money. In his bully mind he sees an opportunity to hijack a political party and bend it to his will, all the while making bank. His followers will not back off, he can do no wrong and they have bought into him lock, stock and barrel. The salesman found his audience and has sold the suckers his ‘product’.

On Fox.

Regarding the separation of families by our government; Fuck Trump. Fuck the Republican party. Fuck the people who voted for Trump.

This needs to be hung around their necks for the rest of their lives. Our nation should be ashamed of itself and that we have stooped so low.

I know that I sure as Hell am, so are my wife and our adult kids. We have all written (and I have called) our Senator and Rep (DeFazio/Wyden) to let them know that this is unacceptable and shameful.

Raise Hell.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:37:33pm

re: #155 mmmirele

Which is a violation of their rights and our laws:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:37:53pm

Off-topic: Did someone put a thunderstorm generator in Denver? Denver has been throwing thunderstorms at us for hours (I’m surprised my Internet service hasn’t gone out with the house shaking so much).

Quit it Colorado. We’ll be good up here, we promise.

wunderground.com

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:39:14pm

Yeah, he announced on Twitter, of all places.

And he apparently is taking a liking to it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:39:51pm

No more “ICE puts YOU in the cooler” jokes. This has ceased to be funny.

The “taken away for bathing” subterfuge was the last straw. I think they know about the shower heads at Auschwitz, it is just their idea of an inside joke.

With polls on child detention running the way they are, barely above 50% even among the debased base, I would expect to see Stephen Miller’s head come bouncing out of the White House any minute. It will be too little too late. They must NEVER be allowed to live this down.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:40:26pm

re: #176 Interesting Times

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VegasGolfer  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:44:31pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I am applying to jobs specifically involving immigration and I’m going to enroll in Babbel this summer to improve my Spanish though I should note a lot of these children don’t speak Spanish necessarily either.

Most of the kids are from El Salvador and Guatemala, who speak Spanish.

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stpaulbear  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:45:09pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Donate money to groups that are. That’s what I’m doing. As an immigrant myself I CANNOT stand by and let this shit happen. I’m in this fight no matter what.

I’m doing some donating, but I’m also sending postcards to Republican house and senate members. It only has to be a sentence or two, and a postcard + stamp is about a half dollar. You can get contact info at VoteSmart.

Flooding them with postcards is more effective than email or voice messages. It’s a physical item that a staffer has to deal with.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:46:03pm

We’re coming to the breaking point.

Great Grandpa Bacon was a member of the IWW. Still remember when Grandma let me look at his Little Red Song Book with the syndicalist strategy of One General Strike to shut the country down to give workers a decent share of the fruits of their labor.

But the majority of Americans continue in complacency. They’ve been so indoctrinated by Ayn Rand that they only look out for #1.

Since we won’t do anything the rest of the world outside of Russia and China have had enough of Trump and they’re going to retaliate.

I fully expect economic sanctions to come into play, dumping the dollar, American stocks and Treasury notes. Putting a big squeeze will hit the Republicans in the pocketbook and the economy will nosedive.

Imagine all the Toyota, Nissan, VW and BMW plants in the US closing down just for starters. Apple being unable to get the raw materials for the next iPhone. Mexico and Canada refusing to trade. China putting the squeeze on Treasury notes.

Maybe that will give a collective kick in the pants to trigger a General Strike…

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:46:29pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:46:51pm

re: #188 stpaulbear

I wonder how much it would be to custom make some postcards with that picture of the crying child on them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:47:08pm

re: #87 Renaissance_Man

No sir. He didn’t create it. FOX created it. And him.

This cult exists because of far right media sources. They may have brought out America’s underlying racism, but nothing gets this bad without the pure evil that is FOX News.

Nope. Goldwater started it by inviting in the John Birch Society and the Ku Klux Klan, Nixon expanded on it by pulling in disaffected Wallace voters, Reagan threw out mighty dog whistles by opening his campaign on the site of slain civil rights workers and laying a wreath at the tomb of SS soldiers in West Germany along with ending the Fairness Doctrine and inviting powerful church leaders into his coalition.

The transformation of the GOP into the Fascist Party has been going on as long as I’ve been alive. FOX as State Media is just a natural outgrowth of Ailes working for Nixon and Reagan’s permission to start a propaganda network. All authoritarians need a propaganda outlet.

FOX and Trump are the end results, not the beginning.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:48:36pm

FYI here’s the link to locate ICE detention facilities ice.gov

Check nearby detention facilities first.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:49:21pm

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how much it would be to custom make some postcards with that picture of the crying child on them.

You can check with your local Kinko’s or FedEx outlet.

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prairiefire  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:49:22pm

What if an ICE agent felt emotionally removed from tiny children. But, oh, here are, an even 7,000. Being isolated and contained based upon policy, not law. And then this blonde Arian bitch, who I understand holds an important position in our nation’s government. #whovotedforher

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retired cynic  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:50:06pm

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how much it would be to custom make some postcards with that picture of the crying child on them.

You can get light postcard stock that is perforated 8.5x11 sheets at WalMart, and print on them from your own home printer. Send a different one every day. Cheap.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:51:06pm

Holy crap! A lightning bolt just struck less than three hundred yards away. My heart is still stuck to the ceiling. BRB while I go peel it off.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:52:34pm

Sunday was Father’s Day. Monday my second granddaughter was born. I should be ecstatically happy. Instead, I feel sick to my stomach — near tears — thinking of the parents and their kids ripped apart by this administration’s evil policies.

The last time I felt this bad was Election night 2016.

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mmmirele  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:53:10pm

re: #187 VegasGolfer

Most of the kids are from El Salvador and Guatemala, who speak Spanish.

A lot of little kids (pre-school age) in Central American countries don’t speak Spanish. They speak Indian languages and learn Spanish when they go to school.

Also, tomorrow is my birthday and I’m promoting this charity, the Florence Project, as a worthy source of donations on the otherwise evil Facebook. It’s one of the charities in the ActBlue bundle but I pulled it out because Florence is the nearest detention center to me, and, in fact, there are three detention centers in Florence. The Florence Project provides legal assistance to detained persons in Florence and Eloy.

If you have a few bucks, throw them their way; they can use the money.

firrp.org

Thanks.

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:54:12pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Holy crap! A lightning bolt just struck less than three hundred yards away. My heart is still stuck to the ceiling. BRB while I go peel it off.

Closest I’ve been is 10-20 m (a coupla yards more in yards). Was indoors. One of two times in my life I’ve been glomped by a female. She was just 4” shorter than me (I’m 6’2” (188cm)).

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:54:24pm

re: #198 wheat-dogg

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:55:06pm

re: #198 wheat-dogg

Sunday was Father’s Day. Monday my second granddaughter was born. I should be ecstatically happy. Instead, I feel sick to my stomach — near tears — thinking of the parents and their kids ripped apart by this administration’s evil policies.

The last time I felt this bad was Election night 2016.

At this point I’m happy I have no grandchildren. While I hope for the best (especially in regards to the upcoming election), I realise there is no bottom to conservative depravity. (It has been proved over and over again in countless nations over history.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:56:54pm

re: #200 Teukka

Closest I’ve been is 10-20 m (a coupla yards more in yards). Was indoors. One of two times in my life I’ve been glomped by a female. She was just 4” shorter than me (I’m 6’2” (188cm)).

The closest I’ve been was when we lived in Oklahoma. If we’re going to use that pesky socialist metric system, a lightning bolt struck a tree in our front yard about 5m from our house and split it in two. (One half went down across the neighbour’s yard and the other half landed in the street.)

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:58:24pm

re: #202 Anymouse 🌹

At this point I’m happy I have no grandchildren. While I hope for the best (especially in regards to the upcoming election), I realise there is no bottom to conservative depravity. (It has been proved over and over again in countless nations over history.

When Trump won the election, my heart was down around my ankles. I knew what his election meant, and every day that passes only confirms my worst fears. Just when I thought they could go no lower, this administration goes lower.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:59:06pm

And another one just struck. The whole house shook for fifteen seconds.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:00:22pm
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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:01:01pm

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

The closest I’ve been was when we lived in Oklahoma. If we’re going to use that pesky socialist metric system, a lightning bolt struck a tree in our front yard about 5m from our house and split it in two. (One half went down across the neighbour’s yard and the other half landed in the street.)

*ass puckers*

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:03:08pm

The area between Denver, Sterling, and Sidney has already had 6-8 inches of rain out of this storm system. Whoa.

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unproven innocence  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:03:42pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Holy crap! A lightning bolt just struck less than three hundred yards away. My heart is still stuck to the ceiling. BRB while I go peel it off.

About 2004, while at my PC, lightning struck a tree just outside my window, about 25 feet away. Split the tree. Killed my PC —I thot, for 6mo. Eventually I learned it was only the modem that was zapped, but THAT was preventing even the diagnostic beep codes when trying (but failing) to boot. Had DSL at the time.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:04:05pm

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

Noticed earlier today a massive cluster of storms moving north of Omaha, and now the same. That part of Nebraska, and also parts of Iowa, are getting drenched. Not as bad as Wisconsin the previous day, though.

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prairiefire  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:05:53pm

I think I’ve still heard the need for rain from gardeners. The extreme heat makes things a bit more volatile.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:06:16pm

And, good night

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:06:37pm
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Jay C  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:06:51pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Holy crap! A lightning bolt just struck less than three hundred yards away. My heart is still stuck to the ceiling. BRB while I go peel it off.

You have a lightning rod on Mouse Manor?

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prairiefire  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:07:30pm

Gosh, I keep thinking of fire fighting water hoses and German Shepard dogs.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:08:44pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹

I saw it forming at about 5 p.m. tonight, towering cumulus clouds taller than the 12 to 14 thousand foot mountains to the east, you couldn’t miss them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:09:27pm

re: #210 freetoken

Noticed earlier today a massive cluster of storms moving north of Omaha, and now the same. That part of Nebraska, and also parts of Iowa, are getting drenched. Not as bad as Wisconsin the previous day, though.

I just pulled up the Omaha radar. The area between Omaha and Lincoln, along with NW of Des Moines, is getting pounded pretty hard.

We just had another close-by lightning strike. One of these things hits our town and we’re toast here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:11:19pm

re: #214 Jay C

You have a lightning rod on Mouse Manor?

No, but the church across the street has a whole row of them (and is taller than my house). Not that I wish any harm to the church, but perhaps their lightning rods will draw away a bolt.

(I always thought it strange that the cross they have on top of the church has a lightning rod on it. I’d put something irreligious here, but I won’t.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:13:07pm

With the immigration policy drowning everything else out, its still important to note that Kansas has been permanently enjoined from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. Kris Kobach did such a bad job defending himself, the judge ordered him to take six hours of continuing legal education on civil procedure and evidence.

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unproven innocence  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:14:00pm

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹

No, but the church across the street has a whole row of them (and is taller than my house). Not that I wish any harm to the church, but perhaps their lightning rods will draw away a bolt.

(I always thought it strange that the cross they have on top of the church has a lightning rod on it. I’d put something irreligious here, but I won’t.)

I’ll suggest a copper profile of Jeff Sessions. Or Tweetler.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:14:01pm

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

We just had another close-by lightning strike. One of these things hits our town and we’re toast here.

Go out there and point a golf club straight in the air. Test fate, my dude!

Giphy

It occurred to me that you probably don’t own any golf clubs. Use that scythe of yours!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:15:33pm

Okay Denver, we’ve had enough.

Denver attacks!
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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:15:57pm

re: #221 teleskiguy

Go out there and point a golf club straight in the air. Test fate, my dude!

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It occurred to me that you probably don’t own any golf clubs. Use that scythe of yours!

Meh. Try standing in a bath tub, wearing a chain mail, hurling insults at the deities of lightning…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:16:19pm

re: #221 teleskiguy

Go out there and point a golf club straight in the air. Test fate, my dude!

It occurred to me that you probably don’t own any golf clubs. Use that scythe of yours!

My wife points out we should put a 1-iron up on our house, because even God can’t hit a 1-iron.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:24:12pm

re: #187 VegasGolfer

Most of the kids are from El Salvador and Guatemala, who speak Spanish.

I know but there are some children detained that have only spoken one of the tribal languages. Not most but some.

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Cheechako  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:25:10pm

Years ago, when I was a kid, lightning struck the chimney on our house. Knocked off a few bricks. But, the worst part was the chimney went up the outside of the house just behind the bathroom. And, as luck would have it, my mom was using the facilities. Fortunately no injuries. Family joke/story for a long, long time.

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stpaulbear  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:25:29pm

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how much it would be to custom make some postcards with that picture of the crying child on them.

If you have a printer that can print photos, you could make them yourself for about 15 cents apiece.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:29:05pm

Court rules that using long-range acoustic devices (sound weapons) to move protestors is a violation of the XIV Amendment.

ca2.uscourts.gov

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TedStriker  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:31:01pm

re: #221 teleskiguy

Go out there and point a golf club straight in the air, test fate, my dude!

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It occurred to me that you probably don’t own any golf clubs. Use that scythe of yours!

“Rat farts!”

Caddy Shack - Rat Farts

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:32:43pm

RAICES is up to $3.645 million: facebook.com

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austin_blue  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:35:36pm

re: #221 teleskiguy

Go out there and point a golf club straight in the air. Test fate, my dude!

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It occurred to me that you probably don’t own any golf clubs. Use that scythe of yours!

Hold a one iron over your head. Not even God can hit a one iron. (Lee Trevino)

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:35:49pm

Via The Guardian, a happy refugee story, as told by children

Ali and the Long Journey to Australia

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:45:12pm

re: #229 TedStriker

One of my favorite lines in the film:

“I’d keep playing. I don’t think the heavy stuff is gonna come down for quite a while.”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:46:12pm

re: #199 mmmirele

A lot of little kids (pre-school age) in Central American countries don’t speak Spanish. They speak Indian languages and learn Spanish when they go to school.

If they get to school. When I was in Guatemala, I was told that 60% of Guatemalans don’t speak Spanish. Still, it’s probably the best one for an outsider to know. There are many indigenous languages.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:48:30pm

I suggest a theme song for Trump’s paper Space Force.

Fireball XL5 - Start & Theme Song

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uriel  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:49:07pm

re: #67 plansbandc

I don’t think it’s just to appease his sick fuck base. I think he genuinely enjoys being cruel. It’s part of the reason he has such admiration for other dictators.

Oh, definitely this.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:50:26pm

re: #236 uriel

Oh, definitely this.

The schoolyard bully is now the president of the USA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:54:42pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:54:51pm

I should probably go to the office and try to avoid thinking about children in cages by preparing my end of term grade reports.

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Chrysicat  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:59:12pm

re: #155 mmmirele

The CBP is slow-walking asylum seekers. Here’s a story from less than 2 weeks ago about Cuban refugees waiting on the Hidalgo Bridge, which is one of the ports of entry that can be used by asylum seekers.

brownsvilleherald.com

What’s happening is people are having to wait days and days with their children, they get tired and they go to other ports of entry. That’s when they get arrested and separated from their children.

This administration can’t die fast enough.

CUBAN?!? Is the “Feet Dry” policy out the window, or did they just think that it would be less likely they were caught if they flew to Matamoros and then walked into the US?

Not to mention that one should lose Trump votes within his own party as they’ve seen Cubans as white since Castro rose if not before…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:59:56pm

Today in history, Napoleon was defeated at Waterloo.
history.com

Abba - Waterloo

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 11:18:38pm

Because of course.

Melania Trump blames ‘both sides’ for child separations at border (The Guardian)

First lady effectively endorses Trump’s false claim that Democrats are responsible for ‘zero-tolerance’ policy (more)

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 11:21:10pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2018 • 11:30:05pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 18, 2018 • 11:31:46pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 18, 2018 • 11:34:05pm

A banner ad for Central Michigan University appears on the neo-nazi/truther website Veterans Today, home of arch-troofer Kevin Barrett among others. I’m sure this is some kind of automated placement involving the word “veterans,” and CMU will not want any part of it.
I wrote to CMU to let them know. president@cmich.edu

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 11:45:26pm

America, Florida style:

Collier school board, parents debate evolution content in science textbooks

The article is confusingly written, but one thing is clear:

A new Florida law allows anyone, not just parents, to file formal objections to school textbooks if they see fit. That law brought in four people, including two scientists, who found issues with material in several books.

That Florida law of course was made to ratfuck public education.

Oh, and I wonder about those two “scientists” - bet they are from the usual den of creationists.

But the article doesn’t go into enough detail to sort it out.

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:15:07am

So, I found the objections, for which the Collier County school board had to hold a hearing:

collierschools.com

It’s the usual creationist derp, and some guy really, really ranting about climate change alleged bias at every school grade.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:19:41am

re: #248 freetoken

So, I found the objections, for which the Collier County school board had to hold a hearing:

collierschools.com

It’s the usual creationist derp, and some guy really, really ranting about climate change alleged bias at every school grade.

Science books tend to be biased … toward science, not religion or politics.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:20:41am
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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:22:32am

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹

Scary thing is, the textbooks (mostly standard stuff from publishers like Pearson) were approved by only 1 vote.

So the atavists were only 1 vote away from injecting their dogma into public schools.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:27:36am

re: #238 Anymouse 🌹

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The hilarious part? Comey & Lynch have already flipped Grassley the bird, while McCabe did so from behind the 5A. Chuck wanted to respond by subpoenaing them, but Feinstein shut that down, so all he’s been left with is growling to the press how “wrong” they are for not wanting to participate in the continuation of this cargo cult ritual.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:30:06am

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹

Because of course.

Melania Trump blames ‘both sides’ for child separations at border (The Guardian)

First lady effectively endorses Trump’s false claim that Democrats are responsible for ‘zero-tolerance’ policy (more)

This is why I will never view this woman as a victim. She is Donny’s willing accomplice, whether because she believes as he does or because he’s holding a leash labeled “pre-nup agreement.”

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:33:43am

Of the four objectors in Collier County, two of them just happened to include the exact same supplemental material:

Flaugh:

Doyle:

Both include Birch Society inspired publications (i.e., Western Journal, from Liftable Media, which is owned by wingnut Floyd Brown and family), the exact same article (supposedly overturning evolution), one of the submissions showing that the article was distributed via a mail list “naplespatriots@comcast.net” .

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:39:10am

The TV station (WINK) report on the Collier county meeting left out all that information.

Indeed, by interviewing only two people, one the creationist, the other the former educator fighting to keep religion out of the science classroom, the TV station was doing the “balanced” thing but not a realistic review of the situation.

Three of the four objectors were using standard creationist materials, and two of these objectors were apparently colluding.

The fourth objector (Mogil) mostly wanted to rant about climate-related topics, apparently wanting to snow the board with unnecessary factoids, and also to object to the lack of old white men in the photos in the textbooks.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:43:04am

It really is telling that in an election year when they’re already getting a lot of shit from voters for being Trump’s apologists, the GOP thinks the best strategy…is making excuses for his unpopular immigration policies while waving Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi around like they march to work in jackboots.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:45:59am

The terror of the Trump doctrine is not in its innovation but in its imitation. The last few months are a testament to the fact that history is not past, that the passage of time does not necessarily imply progress. The words Sessions quoted were used in the 1840s and 50s to justify slavery. When abolitionists argued that slavery was cruel, and that separating families was a violation of religious ethics, they were met with the argument of religious compliance with the law. John Fea, a history professor at Messiah College in Pennsylvania, told the Washington Post: “Whenever Romans 13 was used in the 18th and 19th century - and Sessions seems to be doing the same thing, so in this sense there is some continuity - it’s a way of manipulating the scriptures to justify your own political agenda.”

The invocation of piety is also familiarly threadbare when the behaviour of this holy sovereign, allegedly with God’s will vested in him, is taken into account. Trump is a man mired in allegations of infidelity committed across the course of his three marriages. His church attendance was summed up in his statement that he had “never asked God for forgiveness”, and he referred to communion as “my little wine” and “my little cracker”. Yet he received 80% of the white evangelical vote. Of his unlikely Christian support base, Amy Sullivan, in the New York Times, says: “Decades of fearmongering about Democrats and religious liberals have worked. 80% of white evangelicals would vote against Jesus Christ himself if he ran as a Democrat.”

This is the most sinister and most powerful element of the dictator’s playbook: the pact with the base. Every policy, every utterance, becomes about what it signifies to its target audience rather than what it objectively means. During the presidential campaign, when Trump said that “you just don’t see the expression Merry Christmas any more”, he wasn’t expressing, or even reflecting, an earnest concern about the erosion of Christian values. He was feeding a paranoia and nativist angst about race and identity. There is no Trump doctrine, but there is a Trump code, transmitted from the pulpits of the White House to his voters.

amp.theguardian.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:47:37am

re: #256 Targetpractice

It really is telling that in an election year when they’re already getting a lot of shit from voters for being Trump’s apologists, the GOP thinks the best strategy…is making excuses for his unpopular immigration policies while waving Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi around like they march to work in jackboots.

Rep. Pelosi and Mrs. Clinton are something like Pavlov’s dogs to conservatives. Mention their names and the hand automatically reaches for the R lever in the voting booth.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:48:37am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:49:42am

Total rainfall in the area between Denver and Sterling has now exceeded ten inches.

Denver is still throwing thunderstorms at us. Y’all can quit any time now.

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:04:02am

re: #260 Anymouse 🌹

Lots of counties colored with flood related watches/warnings, there in the middle part of the country:

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:11:28am
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Danack  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:14:22am

re: #180 wheat-dogg

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why it took so long for people to catch on that Theranos was a scam.

Because it’s a great story.

People believe stories a lot more than they believe facts, and in particular silicon valley investors love to believe in any story about ‘disrupting’ existing markets.

Once she had started receiving investment, pointing out that her was based on deceit not only would mean the investors had lost their money, but also that the reality they really hoped would be true, would have been proven to be not true.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:22:43am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:25:24am

re: #261 freetoken

Lots of counties colored with flood related watches/warnings, there in the middle part of the country:

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I see a flash flood watch went up on the South Platte River between Denver and Sterling.

Flood warnings are up all around my county (but not including it); I imagine if all this rain continues, Sidney is going to be under a flood warning as well.

The line of thunderstorms is drifting north, while Denver still keeps coughing them up.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:46:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:53:47am

re: #37 Winston_Smith

The term “Christian” no longer has any meaning here. If anything it’s become a slur describing greedy self righteous pricks who only believe in themselves.

It is Christian to obey the law…unless the law states that you cannot discriminate against gays.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:54:49am
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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:08:33am

Well, I have returned from finishing my grades for the term and watching our student assistant receive his master’s degree in linguistics. Did I miss anything horrible?

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:15:17am

re: #269 wheat-dogg

Well, I have returned from finishing my grades for the term and watching our student assistant receive his master’s degree in linguistics. Did I miss anything horrible?

There was all kinds of

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:17:31am

re: #114 Unshaken Defiance

WATCH: Laura Ingraham describes child detention centers as “essentially summer camps”

Hello muddah, hello fadduh, here I am at Camp Estrada…

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:19:23am

re: #266 JordanRules

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At the end of the day, a liberal is likely to concede that as bad as a Republican may be, he is still preferable to a mass-murdering dictator.

A conservative only sees a guy who can order others to do whatever he likes through fear of death and thinks “Shit, why can’t we have that here?”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:23:47am

Ninja lizard

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:24:27am

re: #272 Targetpractice

At the end of the day, a liberal is likely to concede that as bad as a Republican may be, he is still preferable to a mass-murdering dictator.

A conservative only sees a guy who can order others to do whatever he likes through fear of death and thinks “Shit, why can’t we have that here?”

We’re on our way!

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:24:32am

re: #270 teleskiguy

There was all kinds of

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Same old shit, huh?

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:30:21am

I went to summer camp on several occasions as a kid. And while it was considered a major hassle because you’re usually out in the boonies away from civilization, being taken home was neither impossible nor were you really restricted from calling home if you had the money to do so (back in that mythical time before cellphones). The fencing was there to keep out unwanted wildlife and weirdos, the counselors were there to support us and not as our guards, and the general atmosphere is we were there to have fun not being kept as prisoners until the people in charge could figure out what the fuck to do with us.

This “summer camp” shit is going to look even more ridiculous as we move into fall and winter, as the odds that the GOP are going to do anything other than aid and abet this criminal behavior through the election and into next year are vanishingly small.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:40:43am

re: #204 wheat-dogg

When Trump won the election, my heart was down around my ankles. I knew what his election meant, and every day that passes only confirms my worst fears. Just when I thought they could go no lower, this administration goes lower.

I kept saying that things had to get a lot worse before they could even start to get better.

I really hope they don’t have to get too much worse than this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:43:29am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

The closest I’ve been was when we lived in Oklahoma. If we’re going to use that pesky socialist metric system, a lightning bolt struck a tree in our front yard about 5m from our house and split it in two. (One half went down across the neighbour’s yard and the other half landed in the street.)

I recall as a kid in Gary, Indiana (musta been 5 or 6 years old) being awakened by a loud boom at night during a thunderstorm.

Turned out that a tree had been toppled by the storm and its roots ripped out a gas line to a neighbor’s house that then exploded. No fatalities, but injuries and the house was just a pile of rubble.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:48:07am

Dow futures down over 350 points, could be a bad day for investments tomorrow.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:49:01am

re: #279 Single-handed sailor

Dow futures down over 350 points, could be a bad day for investments tomorrow.

Must be reacting to Donny threatening another $200B in Chinese tariffs.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:49:19am
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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:57:32am

re: #281 JordanRules

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Note the period: “between July and January.”

“Summer camps,” my ass.

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:57:35am

re: #281 JordanRules

Why is this not covered by more of the mass media? Why does it take narrow-cast journalists/activists to bring these things to light?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:59:48am

re: #283 freetoken

Why is this not covered by more of the mass media? Why does it take narrow-cast journalists/activists to bring these things to light?

Because there is too much happening all at once. Only specialists can catch the changes on their own beats.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:01:23am

I hate to trivialize this by calling it a “burn” … But it is a wonderfully brutal response to Sessions’ rank bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:03:31am

re: #284 wheat-dogg

Because there is too much happening all at once. Only specialists can catch the changes on their own beats.

Investigative journalists have been replaced by unpaid interns who just browse Twitter and FB feeds…

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:04:46am

re: #285 LastYearsMan

I hate to trivialize this by calling it a “burn” … But it is a wonderfully brutal response to Sessions’ rank bullshit.

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Y’know, I wonder if Sessions is a Holocaust denier. His comment would make sense in that case. He doesn’t accept the fact that the Reich sent millions of people to die in those camps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:06:11am

re: #287 wheat-dogg

Y’know, I wonder if Sessions is a Holocaust denier. His comment would make sense in that case. He doesn’t accept the fact that the Reich sent millions of people to die in those camps.

Nor does it consider how we denied a lot of Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler’s Germany entry into the USA

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:06:58am

On the realities of commerce and Amazon: earlier, yesterday, I noted a shipping error in an “add on ” item to one of my Prime orders. Inexpensive, generic acetaminophen.

To fix it I have to either ship the package back or take it to an Amazon locker. Either way, it’s a hassle for a $6.50 item. Note - I got half of what I ordered, one box instead of two.

Now it turns out that to order the equivalent item from Amazon, same manufacturer and size etc., is $8 per box, Prime shipping. The “add on” item was a limited event.

So I can return the one box and get my $6.50 back in refund, and then order again by the box at more money for a Prime delivery, or order via Amazon from a non-Amazon shipper and wait 10 days for arrival via snail mail for the same item and price as my original “add on” order .

Anyway, Prime is convenient, but one does often pay more compared to the lowest prices around the internet.

I think I may just keep my one box (instead of two) I got for $6.50, instead of ordering the Amazon-shipped $8/box same item, or waiting 10 days for some East-coast marketer to ship me two boxes for the price of one Amazon-shipped box.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:08:58am

re: #287 wheat-dogg

He’s not a denier, he thinks it was a good idea.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:10:15am

re: #290 Single-handed sailor

He’s not a denier, he thinks it was a good idea.

No doubt.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:13:03am

re: #285 LastYearsMan

I hate to trivialize this by calling it a “burn” … But it is a wonderfully brutal response to Sessions’ rank bullshit.

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It’s all such bullshit. The Reich was perfectly happy with Jews escaping during the late-30s, even if only because it was a propaganda victory for them every time a ship carrying Jewish exiles was denied entry to supposed “free” nations like the US or Canada. Hitler actually used the refusal by Western nations to accept German Jews as “proof” that they were “undesirables” and thus the German people should not care how they were treated.

And when the Reich couldn’t get rid of the Jews by driving them out, they resorted to stuffing them into ghettos, seizing their property and valuables by asserting that under the Nuremberg Laws they had no rights and could not contest the theft or their incarceration. The camps came later and even then were largely a measure to “clear out” the ghettos in favor of far more economical means of housing the large numbers of prisoners. The Holocaust came largely because the “Jewish Problem” wasn’t being solved fast enough, that even proposals like forced sterilization, mandatory abortion, and other means of “population control” with an eye towards gradual extermination would take far longer than the higher-ups wanted. The average German was ignorant of what was going on in the camps largely because that’s what their leaders wanted them to be, wanted to keep the fiction that the Jews had simply been “resettled” going as long as possible.

But there’s too much information and nuance in even this post for the average wingnut to understand. Their knowledge of WWII begins and ends with “We came in and cleaned up Europe’s mess, so they should be eternally grateful to us!”

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:14:46am

Oh, and the price of medication - the name brand Tylenol, in packaging for the US, is more than twice as expensive as the other brand.

Everyone seems to think that “free” TV and radio and such is indeed free.

But it’s not.

You pay through increased prices for brands, brands who exist by putting themselves in front of your face daily.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:18:50am

It’s 53F right now. Saturday is forecast to be 104F, almost twice as hot. ///

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:19:38am

re: #292 Targetpractice

The Reich demanded exorbitant fees from Jews wishing to emigrate. It was part of the Reich’s plan to prop up the economy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:23:49am

re: #295 wheat-dogg

The Reich demanded exorbitant fees from Jews wishing to emigrate. It was part of the Reich’s plan to prop up the economy.

trading short-term gains against long-term benefits.

Imagine what the German war industry might have produced with Jewish scientists working on bombs, aircraft and rockets for it…

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:29:21am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

trading short-term gains against long-term benefits.

Imagine what the German war industry might have produced with Jewish scientists working on bombs, aircraft and rockets for it…

It wasn’t simply Jewish scientists. Women were totally barred from the sciences except as assistants and even then only until they married at which time they were to retire to the home to raise children. And if you weren’t a member in good standing of the Nazi Party, you might find no labs willing to take you or publish your work. The Reich took numerous self-defeating steps to ensure its “superiority,” convinced that the men who remained would produce far greater technological marvels than “decadent” Western nations.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:31:59am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

trading short-term gains against long-term benefits.

Imagine what the German war industry might have produced with Jewish scientists working on bombs, aircraft and rockets for it…

Werner Heisenberg was related to Jews, IIRC, perhaps by marriage. There is some debate whether he and other scientists working on the German A-bomb “dragged their heels” to delay completion of the project. I’d need to look it up in Richard Rhodes’ history of the atomic bomb, which I don’t have handy now.

Hitler and the Reich mistrusted “Jewish science,” so few if any of the scientists had Jewish connections. Heisenberg may have been given a pass, because he was one of Germany’s most brilliant minds.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:33:27am

re: #297 Targetpractice

It wasn’t simply Jewish scientists. Women were totally barred from the sciences except as assistants and even then only until they married at which time they were to retire to the home to raise children. And if you weren’t a member in good standing of the Nazi Party, you might find no labs willing to take you or publish your work. The Reich took numerous self-defeating steps to ensure its “superiority,” convinced that the men who remained would produce far greater technological marvels than “decadent” Western nations.

They did not even want women working in the defense industries until it became absolutely necessary.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:34:29am

re: #297 Targetpractice

It wasn’t simply Jewish scientists. Women were totally barred from the sciences except as assistants and even then only until they married at which time they were to retire to the home to raise children. And if you weren’t a member in good standing of the Nazi Party, you might find no labs willing to take you or publish your work. The Reich took numerous self-defeating steps to ensure its “superiority,” convinced that the men who remained would produce far greater technological marvels than “decadent” Western nations.

Oh, yeah. German women were only supposed to be mothers, housewives, and if single, nurses and schoolteachers. Nazi doctrine saw them principally as makers of Aryan babies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:34:36am

re: #298 wheat-dogg

Werner Heisenberg was related to Jews, IIRC, perhaps by marriage. There is some debate whether he and other scientists working on the German A-bomb “dragged their heels” to delay completion of the project. I’d need to look it up in Richard Rhodes’ history of the atomic bomb, which I don’t have handy now.

I think it has more to do with how the US dedicated resources to the Manhattan Project that Germany could only dream of.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:35:05am

re: #300 wheat-dogg

Oh, yeah. German women were only supposed to be mothers, housewives, and if single, nurses and schoolteachers. Nazi doctrine saw them principally as makers of Aryan babies.

Lebensborn again?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:38:48am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think it has more to do with how the US dedicated resources to the Manhattan Project that Germany could only dream of.

I finished reading The Wages of Destruction, about the German war economy, a few weeks ago. One key idea was the Reich was throwing money at all kinds of projects — jet planes, submarines, the V-2 rockets, the A-bomb, tanks, and on and on — so much so that there was not enough money for any one thing. It was robbing Peter to pay Paul, especially when it came to steel and aluminum. If the Reich had managed to capture Soviet resources, it might have succeeded with any of those programs. But losing the Eastern Front battle doomed the war economy. Game over.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:40:19am

re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Lebensborn again?

Yeah, not too much difference between Nazi thought and Quiverfull thought. Conquer the world by birthing lots of babies.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:43:03am

re: #303 wheat-dogg

I finished reading The Wages of Destruction, about the German war economy, a few weeks ago. One key idea was the Reich was throwing money at all kinds of projects — jet planes, submarines, the V-2 rockets, the A-bomb, tanks, and on and on — so much so that there was not enough money for any one thing. It was robbing Peter to pay Paul, especially when it came to steel and aluminum. If the Reich had managed to capture Soviet resources, it might have succeeded with any of those programs. But losing the Eastern Front battle doomed the war economy. Game over.

Also didn’t help that the Nazi predilection towards paranoia and corruption meant a lot of duplication of effort. The Allies realized if a bomb was going to be built, they had to concentrate all of their best thinkers until they reached a critical mass that made the necessary breakthroughs. Meanwhile, the Reich kept separating various programs among various groups, even if for no other reason than the leader of one group was considered “unreliable” by someone higher up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:46:00am

re: #303 wheat-dogg

I finished reading The Wages of Destruction, about the German war economy, a few weeks ago. One key idea was the Reich was throwing money at all kinds of projects — jet planes, submarines, the V-2 rockets, the A-bomb, tanks, and on and on — so much so that there was not enough money for any one thing. It was robbing Peter to pay Paul, especially when it came to steel and aluminum. If the Reich had managed to capture Soviet resources, it might have succeeded with any of those programs. But losing the Eastern Front battle doomed the war economy. Game over.

“My generals understand nothing about the economics of war!” was Hitler’s quote.

But Hitler was beaten by a war of economics.

It was all a big crapshoot on Germany’s part, posited on seizing the enemy’s resources and using them to continue the war to victory. Especially oil. They could build all the tanks and planes they wanted but did not have the means to fuel them.

Even the plan for the Battle of the Bulge hinged on capturing US army supply depots at Trois-Ponts and Liège.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:46:26am

re: #304 wheat-dogg

Yeah, not too much difference between Nazi thought and Quiverfull thought. Conquer the world by birthing lots of genetically pure white babies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:52:15am

re: #305 Targetpractice

Also didn’t help that the Nazi predilection towards paranoia and corruption meant a lot of duplication of effort.

I read that when the Germans developed the first successful remotely guided plane-launched missiles, the Luftwaffe kept the information under wraps because they feared Hitler would then suspend aircraft production.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:59:22am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read that when the Germans developed the first successful remotely guided plane-launched missiles, the Luftwaffe kept the information under wraps because they feared Hitler would then suspend aircraft production.

There was a lot of rivalry and mistrust among the Luftwaffe, the army and the navy, and within the navy, between the submarine command and the surface vessels, especially as there simply was not enough money or raw materials available for all the services.

Hitler was unhinged from reality and prosecuted a war from a weak foundation. I worry what an unhinged Trump could do if he decided it was time for a nice little war.

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jeffreyw  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:01:22am

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Good morning!

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:03:48am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read that when the Germans developed the first successful remotely guided plane-launched missiles, the Luftwaffe kept the information under wraps because they feared Hitler would then suspend aircraft production.

That was another thing, interservice rivalry was a major issue even among things that other nations would consider worth getting over for the sake of a war. The Kriegsmarine spent a shitload of precious Reichsmarks on capital ships including their one and only (unfinished) aircraft carrier, but were constantly fighting with Goering who insisted that control over all aircraft fall under the control of the Luftwaffe. That not only meant that development work on carrier aircraft lagged severely, but it also meant that the Kriegsmarine had to abandon capital ships because the precious few they had were too valuable to use for commerce raiding, which is why they seemed a “waste” compared to subs which were sinking millions of tons of shipping each month.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:13:52am

re: #309 wheat-dogg

There was a lot of rivalry and mistrust among the Luftwaffe, the army and the navy, and within the navy, between the submarine command and the surface vessels, especially as there simply was not enough money or raw materials available for all the services.

Hitler was unhinged from reality and prosecuted a war from a weak foundation. I worry what an unhinged Trump could do if he decided it was time for a nice little war.

It wasn’t helped by Hitler’s grandiose demands that his ministers and generals had to try to make reality for fear of failure. He wanted a surface navy to rival the Royal Navy, he wanted aircraft with the range to attack NYC, and he wanted battalions of tanks that were impervious to anything that they might encounter on the battlefield. And he wanted all of it by the end of the 1940s, as he felt only then could Germany have the power to take whatever it wanted in his lifetime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:14:35am

re: #309 wheat-dogg

I worry what an unhinged Trump could do if he decided it was time for a nice little war.

I worry that if he gets backed too far into a corner that he might resort to something like that.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:17:53am

re: #73 Interesting Times

This 3-tweet thread encapsulates so much:

People who’d once been okay with forcing civilians into prison camps and cages, and breaking up families, because they’d told themselves they were just being “concentrated” in certain areas realized that doing so was, in fact, terrible and should never happen again.

like i said yesterday, never again is happening now

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:21:16am

re: #82 jaunte

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does somebody really have to point out to this asshat that children of divorces arent taken from both parents

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:26:56am

re: #127 jaunte

Summer camp probably would feel different if you weren’t allowed to leave.

and there were guards

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:26:58am

re: #315 dangerman

does somebody really have to point out to this asshat that children of divorces arent taken from both parents

And most divorces end up with both parents being able to see the kids at some time unless there’s heavy abuse or the one parent doesn’t want anything to do with the kids. It’s a stupid analogy and he knows it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:27:16am

re: #315 dangerman

does somebody really have to point out to this asshat that children of divorces arent taken from both parents

or put in cages

it is all just flailing around to find some talking points

I hope we are starting to see things tip…after the Stoneman-Douglas shooting the NRA lost its ability to control the narrative on gun violence.

After this inhumane situation with kiddie concentration camps, even people who generally support Trump’s immigration policies (outside his base, for whom he can do no wrong) are starting to see that he has gone too far.

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Chrysicat  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:28:38am
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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:29:09am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

or put in cages

it is all just flailing around to find some talking points

I hope we are starting to see things tip…after the Stoneman-Douglas shooting the NRA lost its ability to control the narrative on gun violence.

After this inhumane situation with kiddie concentration camps, even people who generally support Trump’s immigration policies (outside his base, for whom he can do no wrong) are starting to see that he has gone too far.

I like to think we’re reaching a breaking point, but if the GOP has shown anything, it’s a ready ability to shore up those breaking points by making them look “reasonable” later down the line. And that’s what they’re working on at the moment, trying to argue that building the Tortilla Curtain is “reasonable” when the “alternative” is tearing apart families and stuffing kids in camps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:29:48am

re: #319 Chrysicat

I am sure they’ll get better at keeping track one they start tattooing the children.

make sure that the numbers all start out with MS-13…

/

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A Mom Anon  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:30:31am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

My understanding is there are detention centers all over the country and there are kids being shipped to them now.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:30:33am

re: #149 freetoken

Typical of what one finds this day, a Trumper being all “Christian”:

I’m sorry but illegal immigrants are not “refugees”, if they were they would not be breaking the law. Legally there is a difference

you typed this backwards

refugees are not illegal immigrants. they are not breaking the law. legally there is a difference.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:31:51am

re: #322 A Mom Anon

My understanding is there are detention centers all over the country and there are kids being shipped to them now.

Yeah I should figure out where the closest one here is and maybe protest. Kind of at a a disadvantage since I don’t drive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:31:54am

Colorado farmer:

his bio says he uses no-till method, which will be what saves any of his crop.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:33:11am

re: #323 dangerman

you typed this backwards

refugees are not illegal immigrants. they are not breaking the law. legally there is a difference.

And once again ignores that illegal immigration is a civil not a criminal matter. I’ve tried pointing those two facts everywhere I can and I’ve been ignored by smug “They should just do it legally” assholes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:34:19am

re: #320 Targetpractice

I like to think we’re reaching a breaking point, but if the GOP has shown anything, it’s a ready ability to shore up those breaking points by making them look “reasonable” later down the line.

Yes, I saw how fascism and white supremacism went from being something totally anathema to American values to merely spots along the accepted political spectrum.

I saw blatant lies, misrepresentations and hypocricy went unchallenged my media reporters afraid to lose their “access”.

I saw how “Christians” who felt compelled to ignore the law on matters of gay marriage and contraception are suddenly calling on us to obey God’s ordained government when it comes to separating families.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:37:07am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:37:10am

re: #320 Targetpractice

I like to think we’re reaching a breaking point, but if the GOP has shown anything, it’s a ready ability to shore up those breaking points by making them look “reasonable” later down the line. And that’s what they’re working on at the moment, trying to argue that building the Tortilla Curtain is “reasonable” when the “alternative” is tearing apart families and stuffing kids in camps.

We’ve seen opposition to all legal abortion become a mainstream Republican point. That’s what I talk about with Trumpism without Trump. Trump’s still gong to be influencing the policy even if we’re lucky enough to get him sent to ADA Florence for an extended stay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:37:15am

re: #323 dangerman

you typed this backwards

refugees are not illegal immigrants. they are not breaking the law. legally there is a difference.

and children are not criminals, even if they are here illegally. they totally ignore the concept that we are dealing with minors who cannot be treated as criminals in the legal sense even if they are in violation of the law.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:38:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:39:05am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:39:15am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and children are not criminals, even if they are here illegally. they totally ignore the concept that we are dealing with minors who cannot be treated as criminals in the legal sense even if they are in violation of the law.

The adults aren’t criminals either actually. It has been so frustrating since our immigration policy in the executive branch run by people who have a comments section understanding of immigration law.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:40:09am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I just wish I could actively do something. We’re not near the border unfortunately.

i feel absolutely helpless as this gets worse and worse before it gets any better

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:40:41am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Okay even if you didn’t- you fucking did but even if oyu didn’t, you do have the power to change this but yet you don’t? Why? I can answer this. It’s because you’re vindictive bastards led by an orange shitgibbon who has been a bigot his entire time in public life and an AG who always been against legal immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:41:16am

re: #334 dangerman

i feel absolutely helpless as this gets worse and worse before it gets any better

It doesn’t get any cooler in Texas as the Summer approaches.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:44:21am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So we have a president who can pardon himself and do whatever he likes with the power invested in his office…BUT he cannot take any step whatsoever to scale back this policy and thus is totally helpless to do anything unless Congress takes steps.

Here’s a hell of an idea: Sign an EO to stop the DOJ from separating families and thus challenge Congress to do something about it. Oh wait, my mistake, “law and order” only means bitching about rich men being sent to jail for witness tampering.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:45:16am

oh, the irony…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:45:35am

Trump actually made it pretty clear the other day- GIMME MY WALL OR THE KIDS GET IT! He pulled the same shit with the DREAMers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:46:07am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, the irony…

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Oh how nice they have families to go home too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:50:02am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:52:51am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Holy crap! A lightning bolt just struck less than three hundred yards away. My heart is still stuck to the ceiling. BRB while I go peel it off.

my next door neighbor had a lightning strike last week

he had a power washer sitting on his grass - not plugged in
the lightning sought out the metal wand
blew the thing to smithereens
burned black patch of grass

no one around / nobody hurt, no other damage

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:54:55am

Lotta silence from the Trumpers on my TL these days. Sure some stupid memes now and them. Good, I hope they feel some shame deep down knowing about the policy and President they enthuisatically support. The more anti Trump conservatives I know have to their credit been critical though one of them really pissed me off by doing that both parties nonsense and ignoring that slavish devotion to Trump by the Congressional GOP has made this problem worse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:56:10am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:58:14am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Coulter yesterday claimed the kids were actors and begged Trump “not to be fooled”, Ingraham likened the camps where the kids are being held to summer camps. The sad thing is all these women except Coulter I believe have kids of their own. I’m not a father BWS but you do know how much I adore my niece, if something like this happened to her, I’d be trying to help her so fast.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:59:37am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:00:14am

re: #198 wheat-dogg

Sunday was Father’s Day. Monday my second granddaughter was born. I should be ecstatically happy. Instead, I feel sick to my stomach — near tears — thinking of the parents and their kids ripped apart by this administration’s evil policies.

The last time I felt this bad was Election night 2016.

election night was a surprise - shocker and a stunner
we had to adjust our plans, outlook, attitudes the future and stuff like that

this is worse
these people are evil lying monsters
they cant easily be stopped
and they are doing it in our name

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:02:17am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But in their wake will leave a crisis that cannot be easily fixed, which will be counted against the DNC at the polls in 2020 even though the whole thing started and remains under the control of the fuckhead currently living at 1600 Penn Ave.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:07:02am

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

Today in history, Napoleon was defeated at Waterloo.
history.com

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Video

the shoes!!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:07:41am

Church charges brought against Sessions

More than 600 United Methodist clergy and laity say they are bringing church law charges against U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, a fellow United Methodist, over a zero tolerance U.S. immigration policy — a policy that includes separating children from parents apprehended for crossing into the U.S. illegally.

However, an authority on church history and polity said he’s unaware of a complaint against a lay person ever moving past the district level.

The group claimed in a June 18 statement that Sessions, a member of a Mobile, Alabama, church, violated Paragraph 2702.3 of the denomination’s Book of Discipline.

Specifically, the group accuses him of child abuse in reference to separating young children from their parents and holding them in mass incarceration facilities; immorality; racial discrimination and “dissemination of doctrines contrary to the established standards of doctrines” of The United Methodist Church.

All are categories listed in 2702.3 as chargeable offenses for a professing member of a local church.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:07:52am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good. The fates of millions shouldn’t be decided by a bunch of assholes in parts of the country where time refuses to change.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:08:30am

re: #351 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Church charges brought against Sessions

Couldn’t happen to a nicer asshole.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:08:52am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:10:16am

re: #354 MsJ

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Roberto Clemente- Puerto Rican-American baseball player always credited his strong arm to his mom.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:13:16am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

The comments at the Wall Street Journal (where a subscription is required to post) are just shy of the Daily Stormer.

It’s appalling.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:15:11am

re: #351 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Church charges brought against Sessions

Call the Church Police!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:16:43am

jeebus

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unproven innocence  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:16:59am

Trump is fucking over America sooo badly, and not just in the short term.
New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring
Excerpt:

Above: Learning to blink a light is the de-facto introduction to electronics, and it typically involves a circuit board and an LED, like those pictured above.

Somewhere on the Pacific Ocean right now floats a container of goods for ed-tech startup Chibitronics. The goods are slated primarily for educators and Makers that are stocking up for the fall semester. It will arrive in the US the second week of July, and will likely be greeted by a heavy import tax. I know this because I’m directly involved in the startup’s operations. Chibitronics’ core mission is to serve the educator market, and as part of that we routinely offered deep discounts on bulk products for educators and school systems. Now, thanks to the new tariffs on the basic components that educators rely upon to teach electronics, we are less able to fulfill our mission.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:17:25am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Call the Church Police!

Extradition pending

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:21:04am

re: #30 Joe Bacon 🌹

Put Trump, his family and his pals in the Jupiter 2…and have Dr. Smith sabotage it!

That sounds like a plan!!

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BigPapa  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:25:00am

How the relationship between Russia and the Religious Right began
New documents obtained by ThinkProgress show how Russian and American fundamentalists first began their collaboration.
CASEY MICHEL
JUN 19, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:25:58am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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I’ve entertained the thought a few times in recent days that there are elements in the administration who might see this as an opportunity, separating the kids from their folks so as to more easily manipulate them into becoming obedient little drones. After all, if your belief system says that every kid who comes here from foreign shores will inevitably become a Democrat, why wouldn’t you take steps to prevent that by getting to them first?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:26:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:27:12am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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You’re putting them in fucking cages and separating them from their families. No, you are not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:27:34am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:28:19am

o donald shaped entity
how mightily you have fucked yourself
and us
and countless innocent children,
citizens and non citizens

your randomness is epic
conditioned only by the demands of your infantile and imperfectly functioning psyche

a thousand frantic aides fail to contain it
constitutional checks and balances fail to anticipate it
the will of congress is paralyzed beholding it
and the best news sources lack all conviction,
while the worst are full of passionate intensity

o strange apparition resembling a scrotum wearing a cheap strawberry blonde wig

while you are spewing fuckuppedness in all directions
like moral and legal shrapnel that disfigures our society and whose scars we will bear for a very long time
please fuck your fucking fucked up self first and fucking only
and, finally, disappear up your own asshole so quickly that it creates a black hole with a fatal gravity so profound that it sucks up you, your actions, your name, and any memory you ever existed so completely that any possible trace of you is eradicated from our society and this earth entirely and forever

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:28:41am

re: #276 Targetpractice

I went to summer camp on several occasions as a kid. And while it was considered a major hassle because you’re usually out in the boonies away from civilization, being taken home was neither impossible nor were you really restricted from calling home if you had the money to do so (back in that mythical time before cellphones). The fencing was there to keep out unwanted wildlife and weirdos, the counselors were there to support us and not as our guards, and the general atmosphere is we were there to have fun not being kept as prisoners until the people in charge could figure out what the fuck to do with us.

This “summer camp” shit is going to look even more ridiculous as we move into fall and winter, as the odds that the GOP are going to do anything other than aid and abet this criminal behavior through the election and into next year are vanishingly small.

There was fencing at my summer camp too
Foils
Its where I first started

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:29:48am

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ted Cruz whose father benefited from one of the most liberal immigration policies in history is complaining about illegal immigration, a civil violation. That’s rich Ted. I wonder how you would have felt if the Feds had arrived on your father’s doorstep before he became a citizen and sent him back to Cuba. You more than anyone in the Senate should be empathetic to these children knowing your own father’s story but because you’re a pathetic asshole who is ashamed of being Latino, you do this shit. And yes I went there, everyone saw you act like you didn’t know any Spanish when Rubio spoke it in front of you.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:30:49am
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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:31:02am

From Balloon Juice:

Chadwick Boseman won for Best Hero for the MTV awards. He called up and gave his to James Shaw, Jr., because he wanted a real hero to have it:

From Michael B. Jordan: “I’m shocked that I won this award for Best Villain. I thought for sure Roseanne had that in the bag.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:31:27am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:32:07am

Back from my break. Needed a laugh. Cheers.

Instagram

LMFAOOOO

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:36:22am

re: #276 Targetpractice

I went to summer camp on several occasions as a kid. And while it was considered a major hassle because you’re usually out in the boonies away from civilization, being taken home was neither impossible nor were you really restricted from calling home if you had the money to do so (back in that mythical time before cellphones). The fencing was there to keep out unwanted wildlife and weirdos, the counselors were there to support us and not as our guards, and the general atmosphere is we were there to have fun not being kept as prisoners until the people in charge could figure out what the fuck to do with us.

This “summer camp” shit is going to look even more ridiculous as we move into fall and winter, as the odds that the GOP are going to do anything other than aid and abet this criminal behavior through the election and into next year are vanishingly small.

for those foolish enough to attempt to propogate this stupid analogy, we should arrange to show up at their door a month early, unannounced, remove their children from them abruptly and without accomodating any recourse, inform them that they may not communicate with them, and tell them their children are being sent to a summer camp consisting of spending most of your time in an auditorium located somewhere close to a giant truckstop on the interstate

and then send the children to a real summer camp run by adults who are not moronic sociopaths

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:37:02am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:37:43am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Yeah I should figure out where the closest one here is and maybe protest. Kind of at a a disadvantage since I don’t drive.

When I stopped thinking Texas and realized Miami and Boca, things got way more achievable

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:38:11am

re: #370 MsJ

Is it really? I’m not exactly seeing the connection, other than glass. I mean, John McClane literally crawled over broken glass to save his wife.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:38:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:38:42am

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Americans I think especially ignore the fact that Germany was not at war for a good part of Hitler’s regime. Jan 1933-Aug 1939 all spent getting the country into a frenzy. .

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Sea Mexican!  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:39:16am

re: #45 makeitstop

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Wow.

Clinton/Clinton 2020?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:39:22am

re: #376 dangerman

When I stopped thinking Texas and realized Miami and Boca, things got way more achievable

Unfortunately not near those either. I did find a families belong together rally though for 6/30.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:40:12am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:41:32am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tell it Ana.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:42:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:42:48am

re: #370 MsJ

TED CRUZ: “Let me tell you right now: The left is going to show up,” Cruz said. “They will crawl over broken glass in November to vote.”

Annie Lennox - Walking on Broken Glass (Official Video)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:44:32am

I’m glad to see Cruz scared. He fucking should be. If anyone deserves to be the victim of the untapped Hispanic voting power in Texas, it deserves to be him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:44:41am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:45:47am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Okay even if you didn’t- you fucking did but even if oyu didn’t, you do have the power to change this but yet you don’t? Why? I can answer this. It’s because you’re vindictive bastards led by an orange shitgibbon who has been a bigot his entire time in public life and an AG who always been against legal immigration.

This is the most feckless position
Man with the power to create a space force with his pen can’t pick up a goddamn phone and stop this for the sake of humanity

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:46:20am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

SCOOP: In 1995, Russian and American social conservatives plotted out what would, during the 2016 election, become the main link between U.S. Christian fundamentalists and those in Moscow.

Russia is a role model: authoritarian, oligarchic and theocratic. Only difference is that they are Orthodox while our people go for Fundamentalist Protestant.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:47:09am

re: #338 Targetpractice

So we have a president who can pardon himself and do whatever he likes with the power invested in his office…BUT he cannot take any step whatsoever to scale back this policy and thus is totally helpless to do anything unless Congress takes steps.

Here’s a hell of an idea: Sign an EO to stop the DOJ from separating families and thus challenge Congress to do something about it. Oh wait, my mistake, “law and order” only means bitching about rich men being sent to jail for witness tampering.

You said it better

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:47:49am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:48:43am

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Oh how nice they have families to go home too can leave.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:48:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:49:48am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We’re going to introduce, later today, a piece of legislation… It deals with this issue that we’re having at the border, with the separation of children from their parents.”

even if they fix it, they still have to own what they did up to date

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:50:33am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I trust Meadows bill will somehow be even worse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:51:11am

*blink*

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:51:24am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Lotta silence from the Trumpers on my TL these days. Sure some stupid memes now and them. Good, I hope they feel some shame deep down knowing about the policy and President they enthuisatically support. The more anti Trump conservatives I know have to their credit been critical though one of them really pissed me off by doing that both parties nonsense and ignoring that slavish devotion to Trump by the Congressional GOP has made this problem worse.

Unless it’s deliberate obfuscation, bothsiderism is just intelliectual incuriosity and laziness

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:51:28am

re: #394 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

even if they fix it, they still have to own what they did up to date

Yeah and I’ll be Margot Robbie’s next date to the awards shows.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:52:06am

re: #397 dangerman

Unless it’s deliberate obfuscation, bothsiderism is just intelliectual incuriosity and laziness

I am seeing some both siderism from some guy whose actual views I can’t even tell you. Dude just posts stupid memes all day.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:52:58am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Coulter yesterday claimed the kids were actors and begged Trump “not to be fooled”, Ingraham likened the camps where the kids are being held to summer camps. The sad thing is all these women except Coulter I believe have kids of their own. I’m not a father BWS but you do know how much I adore my niece, if something like this happened to her, I’d be trying to help her so fast.

You don’t have to have kids to recognize barbarism

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:54:14am

Fox and Friends broadcasting from the WH lawn once again; perhaps hoping to lure him out again?
No tweets from the yam yet.
I suspect he’s not having good morning.
I suspect that NO ONE in the WH is having a good morning.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:54:32am

re: #400 dangerman

You don’t have to have kids to recognize barbarism

Just as you can have kids and not :( or be indifferent to it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:54:58am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fox and Friends broadcasting from the WH lawn once again; perhaps hoping to lure him out again?
No tweets from the yam yet.
I suspect he’s not having good morning.
I suspect that NO ONE in the WH is having a good morning.

Good I hope he had nightmares.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:56:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:57:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:59:30am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:00:38am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately not near those either. I did find a families belong together rally though for 6/30.

I meant me
Look at the detention facility’s map
Think locally

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:01:09am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:04:59am

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fucking asshole.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:05:08am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately not near those either. I did find a families belong together rally though for 6/30.

the internal crisis i’m having is that *i* have to adjust to this
*i* have to find some way to be able to go on
with my daily life
my responsibilities and worse, my wants and frivolities
*i* have to find some sense and make this fit
*I* have to adjust
to this

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:05:24am

re: #407 dangerman

I meant me
Look at the detention facility’s map
Think locally

Ah yeah. I do need to look at that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:05:58am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:06:25am

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Needs to be a national holiday. I don’t care if it’s two weeks before July 4. Christmas and New Years are a week from each other and both holidays most people get off.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:08:33am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fucking asshole plays God with these families and then he cries about his voice being heard. Sick that the NYT went with his request.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:10:26am

re: #415 HappyWarrior

Disgraceful. I’m even more satisfied now that I cancelled my subscription months ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:10:55am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:11:17am

re: #416 Ace Rothstein

Disgraceful. I’m even more satisfied now that I cancelled my subscription months ago.

I’ve never been a subscriber but it amazes me tehy do this shit and Trump still attacks them. Probably because he knows that’s how to elicit a response from his cult.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:11:57am

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes and your newspaper was too busy trying to shame liberals like me into feeling sorry for the people that embraced him rather than the people he was scapegoating.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:13:43am

uh huh…

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:15:05am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, who wrote that for him?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:15:27am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

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uh huh…

And the Trumpsuckers will use that go to “See libtard he can’t be a racist!”, it’s fucking lip service.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:15:37am

re: #416 Ace Rothstein

Disgraceful. I’m even more satisfied now that I cancelled my subscription months ago.

You and me both.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:15:49am

re: #421 freetoken

So, who wrote that for him?

Ivanka hasn’t been too busy lately has she? Maybe Barron?

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:18:26am

re: #421 freetoken

So, who wrote that for him?

Barack & Michelle.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:19:25am

re: #425 Ace Rothstein

Barack & Michelle.

Wouldn’t shock me if he just found Obama’s statement from two years ago and just changed some words.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:20:33am

Morning!

Trying to catch up a bit. There are a ton of comments since I left to go visit and have dinner with friends last night.

And I see both this thread is active as is the previous one. What’s up with that?

I think I’ll go over the old thread…but then…aww crap. It’s hopeless to get caught up.

Is Trump still president and has he fired anyone since last night???

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A Mom Anon  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:20:48am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

There need to be protests outside the fucking NYT building.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:20:50am

John Oliver’s episode about President Xi was very informative.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:21:09am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh huh…

There’s a second part: “…so that we can continue to use what was done to them as an example of how to treat others.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:24:03am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:24:07am

If you’ve ever seen Trump talk about Lincoln without a script, you’ll know what I mean. It’s like listening to a 2nd grader talk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:25:08am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:25:52am

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

… it wasn’t until this date — 2 months after #CivilWar ended — that all those enslaved in #Texas learned they were free

and now, today in 2018 still fighting for their natural and constitutional rights

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A Mom Anon  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:26:02am

I’m done being nice. You voted for this Shitshow, I cannot count you as a person of good intent or anything else. If you can do the giant stretch it takes to try to justify this, I want zero to do with you. I might even go so far as to call you an “animal”, but that would be an insult to actual creatures with a soul. So I think I’ll stick with more precise terms, like psychopath.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:26:18am

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh fuck you Laura. Fuck you.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:27:20am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Except it’s a civil matter and many of these people are in fact applying for asylum but lecture people more Dad who can’t even pay his fucking child support.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:27:26am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:28:02am

re: #435 A Mom Anon

I’m done being nice. You voted for this Shitshow, I cannot count you as a person of good intent or anything else. If you can do the giant stretch it takes to try to justify this, I want zero to do with you. I might even go so far as to call you an “animal”, but that would be an insult to actual creatures with a soul. So I think I’ll stick with more precise terms, like psychopath.

I’m trying to call out the Trump policy supporters on FB with attacks on the inhumanity of the policies. No bites so far.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:28:11am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

The NYT spoke to Stephen Miller on the record with audio and they spiked it because the White House “were not comfortable using the audio…when they found out his voice was going to be on a podcast they were not happy about it. So they asked us not to use it.”

NYT spiked a story because the WH didnt like how it would appear

good thing it wasnt, like, a first amendment issue or anything

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:28:33am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fascist fucks can’t even get their stories straight.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:28:41am

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

And every white boy in America could end up liking kinky boots, Laura. (I was going to say Nazi, but she’s be OK with that.)

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:29:56am

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

count all the polite euphemisms the NYT uses instead of calling GOP’s anti-immigration hysteria “racist”

“racist”, with “lie” is banging on the door to be let out

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:30:14am

re: #442 Belafon

And every white boy in America could end up liking kinky boots, Laura. (I was going to say Nazi, but she’s be OK with that.)

You know in a way, she’s kind of right but not the reason she says. Her attitude is what makes these gangs welcoming to poor immigrant kids. It was like that with the Irish gangs, Italian ones, etc too. However, if you treat and welcome these kids, you get people who become better Americans than native born Americans like Laura.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:30:43am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Fascist fucks can’t even get their stories straight.

they don’t have to, they have people to sort those things out for them

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:31:09am

re: #445 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they don’t have to, they have people to sort those things out for them

I know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:31:19am
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:31:46am

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

Laura Ingraham defends the incarceration of children because the kids could be “fresh recruits” for MS-13

What better way to put them on that path than to traumatize them, separate them from their families, and lock them in cages.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:32:12am

I want every smug my family did it right asshole to do the same research on their families that I have. Every last ancestor to America documented from the time of arrival! And note that’s something I’ve been unable to do and I live for genealogy research.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:32:52am

re: #448 jaunte

What better way to put them on that path than to traumatize them, separate them from their families, and lock them in cages.

Seriously in a perverse way, she’s kind of right and not for the reasons she thinks.

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Weaselone  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:32:53am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Fascist fucks can’t even get their stories straight.

They might be morons, or it could also be deliberate. I mean, basically the Admin is gaslighting the rest of us, trying to blame liberals, Obama, Democrats, the Easter Bunny for this while claiming it’s not a policy of the administration. At the same time, it’s speaking out the side of it’s mouth to the hardcore racists to let them know that this was indeed an administration policy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:33:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:33:22am

Social alientation is how these gangs get set up in the first place but you know what, Laura doesn’t know MS-13 from the cartels or her ass.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:34:38am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

REPORTER (me): “Are you intending to send a message?”

SEC NIELSEN: “I find that offensive. No. Why would I ever create a policy that does that?”

REPORTER (me): “Perhaps as a deterrent.”

SEC NIELSEN: “No!”

And then, a few hours later, on Fox News…

sec nielsen on sessions: “sorry, not my department”

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A Mom Anon  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:36:27am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Exactly. You isolate and destroy people and you end up with people looking to belong, anywhere. Gang leaders aren’t stupid, they provide a family where families are in tatters.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:37:16am

re: #2 Winston_Smith

I Love WIKILeaks!!!1

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:38:00am

re: #285 LastYearsMan

I hate to trivialize this by calling it a “burn” … But it is a wonderfully brutal response to Sessions’ rank bullshit.

MORE: AG Sessions dismisses comparisons of Trump border policy to Nazi Germany, saying in interview on Fox: “It’s a real exaggeration of course. Nazi Germany, they were keeping Jews from leaving country.” (1/2)

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) June 19, 2018

There is a real analogy though — Jews who fled to America on the St. Louis were rejected and forced to return to Europe where many died in the Holocaust. The same type of fate faces many of these refugees on our border who will return, not to genocide, but to violence and rape. American have always been an uncaring people despite the myths we tell ourselves.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:38:19am

re: #455 A Mom Anon

Exactly. You isolate and destroy people and you end up with people looking to belong, anywhere. Gang leaders aren’t stupid, they provide a family where families are in tatters.

Laura thinks MS-13 exists because it’s evil. Its formation didn’t happen in a vacuum.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:38:40am

re: #440 dangerman

NYT spiked a story because the WH didnt like how it would appear

good thing it wasnt, like, a first amendment issue or anything

Hint to the White House…everything about Trump and the flotsam that occupy it has a nasty appearance and accompanying odor.

How about America spike you?

It would be for the best. Believe us!

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:42:08am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:43:04am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fox and Friends broadcasting from the WH lawn once again; perhaps hoping to lure him out again?
No tweets from the yam yet.
I suspect he’s not having good morning.
I suspect that NO ONE in the WH is having a good morning.

They should just set up in the Oval Office.

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:43:14am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:43:43am

re: #460 jaunte

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We’ve become what our ancestors fought to liberate. And I’m fucking ill.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:44:29am

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jim’s absolutely right. Real life isn’t a comic book where the bad guy knows he’s the bad guy and lets you know. The Nazis saw themselves as victims and later liberators.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:44:39am

re: #285 LastYearsMan

I hate to trivialize this by calling it a “burn” … But it is a wonderfully brutal response to Sessions’ rank bullshit.

Wow, who spiked Andrea Mitchell’s cereal this morning?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:45:41am

I’d note to the guy concern trolling Jim that the organized mass extermination of the Jews didn’t start until much later.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:46:48am

re: #447 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is it crazy to think the whole Trump and Kim thing might already be over and done?

Would it surprise anyone if it was all done for the look and now that it is time for details there will be none?

It’s already falling out of the news with the immigration mess.

If it was such a hot deal, you’d think Donny and Gang would be pumping it up all over the place to use it as cover for the mess he is in.

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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:47:17am

re: #368 dangerman

Eh, better than nothing. Military Saber is far more entertaining though.

This 1860 US light cavalry reproduction is my current primary.

This is a reproduction of a special saber for the 30th Light Dragoons honoring the Princess of Wales and issued from 1794 to 1796. It’s what I’d like to get next.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:47:41am

re: #463 HappyWarrior

I imagine the Alex Jones listener, surrounded by his totemic protective collection of guns and knives, thinking “well my parents never touched me, and I turned out fine.”

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:48:02am

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

I realize that it’s a sensitive topic, one of the most horrific acts of human history, but we have to use it as a guide when it’s so obvious. Especially when the people perpetuating it either identify with Nazis or are sympathetic to them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:48:11am

Gayle is being summarily dismembered in the rest of the responses as well.

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Lupin  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:48:25am

Urban Dictionary: Good German

Maybe we should update this to “Good American”? [present company excluded OC]

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:49:32am

dow is down 300

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:49:38am

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gayle is being summarily dismembered in the rest of the responses as well.

She was speaking out about while people like Gayle were looking for excuses for Trump voters.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:50:36am

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep @HillaryClinton is attempting to raise money off objecting to a policy she never minded until yesterday. 🤦‍♀️ pic.twitter.com

— Gayle Trotter

It’s shameful of President Hillary Clinton to fund her re-election campaign off the misfortune of others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:50:43am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:51:17am

re: #470 Belafon

I realize that it’s a sensitive topic, one of the most horrific acts of human history, but we have to use it as a guide when it’s so obvious. Especially when the people perpetuating it either identify with Nazis or are sympathetic to them.

You have to recognize the signs of it starting again before you can stop it, that’s what Never Again has always been about and we have seen that ehre.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:51:25am

re: #468 William Lewis

Eh, better than nothing. Military Saber is far more entertaining though.

This 1860 US light cavalry reproduction is my current primary.

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i was 10 ;-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:52:46am
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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:54:32am

re: #478 dangerman

i was 10 ;-)

Good age to start :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:54:34am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:56:17am

re: #468 William Lewis

Eh, better than nothing. Military Saber is far more entertaining though.

This 1860 US light cavalry reproduction is my current primary.

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Hmmmmmm………

specialreplicas.com

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:56:21am

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gayle is being summarily dismembered in the rest of the responses as well.

What a take for a journalist. She already has a baked in attitude about Hillary. No bias there!

I don’t think I have read her, but I bet that attitude is in everything she ever wrote about Hillary, or anything that would have Hillary in it, like coverage of Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:56:51am

moron found his phone


(^^”their”)

(^^that is a lie)

(^^doh)

(^^moron just can’t shut up)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:59:01am

re: #484 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can’t think of something more concerning than a law enforcement officer an American political candidate suggesting that their going to use their powers begging a foreign power to affect an election!” Inspector General Horowitz on what was going on with numerous people regarding my election. A Rigged Witch Hunt!p

— Donald J. Trump

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:59:29am

re: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rand and Mitch are not going to comment, lest they provoke the Wrath of Don. The entire GOP is stonewalling, aside from weak protests sent via tweets. The GOP, if it had any ounce of self-respect, could as a unit tell the White House to rescind the policy, or else lose their support for anything he wants to do. No funding for the wall, the Space Force, etc.

But the Republicans won’t do it. It’s the sword they are choosing to fall on.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:59:48am

re: #483 ObserverArt

What a take for a journalist. She already has a baked in attitude about Hillary. No bias there!

I don’t think I have read her, but I bet that attitude is in everything she ever wrote about Hillary, or anything that would have Hillary in it, like coverage of Trump.

What news source does she work for?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:00:01am

wonderful…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:00:02am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

You have to recognize the signs of it starting again before you can stop it, that’s what Never Again has always been about and we have seen that ehre.

Stephen Miller clearly identifies with the Nazis rather than the oppressed; he certainly doesn’t see his ancestors as akin to these refugees. A man with a total lack of empathy for the unfortunate of the world — just like Trump and the rest of his maladministration (as always, except Mattis) .

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:00:24am

re: #487 Sir John Barron

What news source does she work for?

The Hill

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:01:13am

re: #484 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron found his phone

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(^^moron just can’t shut up)

I really hope he strokes out one day raging on his phone.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:01:44am

re: #489 Hecuba’s daughter

Stephen Miller clearly identifies with the Nazis rather than the oppressed; he certainly doesn’t see his ancestors as akin to these refugees. A man with a total lack of empathy for the unfortunate of the world — just like Trump and the rest of his maladministration (as always, except Mattis) .

Mattis may not be as malevolent as the others but he’s still a problem.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:02:15am

PSA:

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:02:21am

re: #480 William Lewis

Good age to start :)

i came home and said something like “ma i wanna learn this”
the local “Y” had a program
as did the town rec department
then we found there were other clubs
considering 1968 there was a lot of local fencing
over the years i ended up teaching the programs at the Y and the town rec

then off to college
first school had a club team
second didnt. (it had the future mrs dm who might have distracted my attention)

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fern01  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:03:22am

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gayle is being summarily dismembered in the rest of the responses as well.

Look at the rest of her tweets - a trumpist to the core

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:03:36am

re: #484 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron found his phone

If you don’t have Borders, you don’t have a Country!

Look, there is some degree of validity to this, and a need to strengthen our borders as part of a comprehensive package of immigration reform.

But that is not what he is initiating, advocating or even thinking about when he talks about building the Wall, rounding up undocumented immigrants or separating families.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:03:53am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:04:29am
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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:04:54am

re: #487 Sir John Barron

What news source does she work for?

The Hill according to her tweet bio. I see she also writes for Townhall.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:05:11am

re: #486 wheat-dogg

Rand and Mitch are not going to comment, lest they provoke the Wrath of Don. The entire GOP is stonewalling, aside from weak protests sent via tweets. The GOP, if it had any ounce of self-respect, could as a unit tell the White House to rescind the policy, or else lose their support for anything he wants to do. No funding for the wall, the Space Force, etc.

But the Republicans won’t do it. It’s the sword they are choosing to fall on.

and let the party be millstoned with it forever

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:05:25am

re: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ever since I’ve been seeing Rand Paul and his poodle-perm hairdo, I’ve thought I’d seen that somewhere before, and it finally came to me:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:05:42am

re: #500 dangerman

and let the party be millstoned with it forever

even if they fix it tomorrow, they have to me made to own what they have done so far.

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fern01  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:06:01am

re: #473 dangerman

dow is down 300

Just saw this - now 381 almost 1.5%. Is this because of his tarriff policies or because he and his administration are stealing children from their parents and keeping them in cages

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:06:24am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:06:48am

re: #503 fern01

Just saw this - now 381 almost 1.5%. Is this because of his tarriff policies or because he and his administration are stealing children from their parents and keeping them in cages

The economy is going to get worse and he’s going to scapegoat even more.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:07:18am

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Miller elarned from Richard Spencer enough said.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:08:36am

Those who object to likening this to Nazism have only seen the Nazi’s final product not educated themselves on how the Nazis were able to get that final product of mass murder and genocide.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:08:47am

re: #493 Backwoods_Sleuth

PSA:

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They did a story on that on the Today Show. They had their service dog trainer on to explain what to do if a service dog comes up to you and bumps your leg with their nose…follow them. A service dog with their ID on and alone is a sign of distress for the dog’s owner.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:08:50am

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gayle is being summarily dismembered in the rest of the responses as well.

She’s just your typical Hillary hating Pre$$titute!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:10:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:11:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:12:04am

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

Instead of “good morning,” the Masai tribe of East Africa greets w/ “How are the children?”The “right” answer is “The children are well,”meaning All the children are well above all else. Let’s change our greeting starting tomorrow & not change it until it includes separated kids.

and the first question to be asked of any candidate for Congress this year is whether they support or oppose a policy of separating families

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:12:42am

re: #424 HappyWarrior

Ivanka hasn’t been too busy lately has she? Maybe Barron?

Barron came up with Space Force. “Can I have a Space Force, Daddy?”

“Sure kid, now scram.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:13:00am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:13:52am

re: #499 ObserverArt

The Hill according to her tweet bio. I see she also writes for Townhall.

Ah, well, glad to see The Hill is giving sensible conservatives from publications like **squints** townhall.com a chance to influence the debate.

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fern01  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:14:05am

re: #498 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:14:49am

Great game, Japan!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:15:35am

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My brother had the pleasure to meet many of the when he was in Africa. Great people who made him feel at home in their homeland. He’s still friends with many of them and they stay in touch with Facebook. I know some of us don’t like FB but that’s why I do think social media is a good platform.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:15:59am

re: #517 fern01

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Fuck you Tucker, seriously.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:16:26am

re: #514 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ivanka Trump is a fraud.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:16:49am

re: #520 HappyWarrior

Fuck you Tucker, seriously.

this is all a matter of thrashing about for talking points to fill air time.

only sociopaths can support this policy

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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:17:32am

re: #482 Dave In Austin

Hmmmmmm………

specialreplicas.com

A few of their pieces look functional, but most there are wall hangers (stainless steel, decorative “stuff”). I find Kult of Athena far more fun to search through, especially when limiting the search to “battle ready”. Not that I’ll ever be fighting with sword or saber but for steel on steel exercise or cutting stuff (milk bottles & pool noodles forex :D), you need properly forged, quenched and tempered steel in the blade.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:17:37am

re: #522 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

this is all a matter of thrashing about for talking points to fill air time.

only sociopaths can support this policy

Sociopaths like Tucker.

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Weaselone  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:18:38am

re: #486 wheat-dogg

Rand and Mitch are not going to comment, lest they provoke the Wrath of Don. The entire GOP is stonewalling, aside from weak protests sent via tweets. The GOP, if it had any ounce of self-respect, could as a unit tell the White House to rescind the policy, or else lose their support for anything he wants to do. No funding for the wall, the Space Force, etc.

But the Republicans won’t do it. It’s the sword they are choosing to fall on.

All 49 Democrats and Independents have signed onto Feinstein’s bill. All it takes is 2 of the Republican Senators who have already announced retirement to sign on to make it passable. Then all Mitch has to do is let it be brought to a vote and the Republicans avoid filibustering it to get it through the Senate. They can then throw up their hands and blame the RINOs for passing it.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:19:11am

re: #496 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Look, there is some degree of validity to this, and a need to strengthen our borders as part of a comprehensive package of immigration reform.

But that is not what he is initiating, advocating or even thinking about when he talks about building the Wall, rounding up undocumented immigrants or separating families.

specific only to refugee, asylum and economic migration there will *never* be an orderly process

when it becomes desperation, the numbers are just too high - people just go
no one’s gonna apply at an embassy, wait, wait, wait, and then accept being politely rejected
they come to the door - its desperation and hope - anything has to be better than…

before they cross they are not americans and so arent covered by the constitution.
after they cross the rules are unclear, contradictory and problematic - clearly open to perverse and barbaric interpretation.
many logistical issues like languages, any right to representation, what is done with them while cases are pending, the children, costs, etc

they came on boats
cubans got ‘special’ treatments - wet foot / dry foot
so many hatians tried that eventually their boats were used as an example (and a deterrent) and turned back (if anyone was granted asylum interviews on the boat at all)

these days they are coming mostly by land - new logistics
while their feet are in mexico or canada their status is different than the moment they cross
and while they are in mexico or canada we have no desire to sort of set up shop on that side of the border to begin the interview process, and if rejected leave them to mexico or canada

humanity usually suffers at the hands of politics

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:19:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:20:04am

he’s still flailing:

(^^complete and utter bullshit)

(^^hey moron…whatever happened to “only *I* can fix it”?)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:21:51am

re: #527 jaunte

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Well I guess it does appear he reads afte all.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:22:04am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

#CHANGETHELAWS Now is the best opportunity ever for Congress to change the ridiculous and obsolete laws on immigration. Get it done, always keeping in mind that we must have strong border security.

— Donald J. Trump

Change what law? How?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:23:01am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

We must always arrest people coming into our Country illegally. Of the 12,000 children, 10,000 are being sent by their parents on a very dangerous trip, and only 2000 are with their parents, many of whom have tried to enter our Country illegally on numerous occasions.

— Donald J. Trump

Of course, because we have unlimited resources to do so.

/

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:23:40am

re: #502 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

even if they fix it tomorrow, they have to me made to own what they have done so far.

they could have stopped it on day one, with the first child
they could have stopped it each and every single day since
instead they acquiesced, emboldened, enabled, hid
others outright supported it

and i dont just mean congress and the other parts of the admin
the republican party admin, the big profile names, the big wigs, the sunday show guests, ICE agents and guards

damn right they own it

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:23:52am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

We must always arrest people coming into our Country illegally. Of the 12,000 children, 10,000 are being sent by their parents on a very dangerous trip, and only 2000 are with their parents, many of whom have tried to enter our Country illegally on numerous occasions.

— Donald J. Trump

Oh, OK, so the cages I mean chain linked fences are perfectly fine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:23:57am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:24:48am

re: #527 jaunte

Can someone please tweet to Trump that MS-13 is a homegrown gang? It’s as American as the Bloods or the Crips or the KKK.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:24:57am

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Or had bouchie mustard on a burger.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:25:06am

re: #503 fern01

Just saw this - now 381 almost 1.5%. Is this because of his tarriff policies or because he and his administration are stealing children from their parents and keeping them in cages

likely the tariffs
sad that markets probably wont react to the children

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:25:55am

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

And ate arugula and was Black!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:26:01am

He again is lying to his cult about what illegal immigration is. It’s NOT a criminal matter. If I told you, we should arrest every last person who has minor driving violations, you’d cal me crazy and you’d call me Stalin if i told oyu that you should lose your kids over it.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:26:13am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

None of those 12K children should be put in cages.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:26:55am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

We must always arrest people coming into our Country illegally. Of the 12,000 children, 10,000 are being sent by their parents on a very dangerous trip, and only 2000 are with their parents, many of whom have tried to enter our Country illegally on numerous occasions.

— Donald J. Trump

I’m gonna go way out on a limb here, but I suspect he just pulled these numbers right out of his a*$.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:27:04am

re: #540 Belafon

None of those 12K children should be put in cages.

Trump should be though.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:27:42am

My guess is we start seeing armbands pop up in the next 6 months or so.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:28:55am

How Mike Pence got to be vice-president:

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:29:02am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now is the best opportunity ever for Congress to change the ridiculous and obsolete laws on immigration

This is a pretty sweeping claim, that our immigration laws are “ridiculous” and “obsolete”. Which laws in particular are they and how should they be changed, sir?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:29:04am

re: #525 Weaselone

All 49 Democrats and Independents have signed onto Feinstein’s bill. All it takes is 2 of the Republican Senators who have already announced retirement to sign on to make it passable. Then all Mitch has to do is let it be brought to a vote and the Republicans avoid filibustering it to get it through the Senate. They can then throw up their hands and blame the RINOs for passing it.

Does anyone have a link to the Feinstein bill?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:29:07am

re: #524 HappyWarrior

Sociopaths like Tucker.

And Ann Coulter who is claiming that the migrant children are actors. Unbelievable!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:29:57am

re: #525 Weaselone

All 49 Democrats and Independents have signed onto Feinstein’s bill. All it takes is 2 of the Republican Senators who have already announced retirement to sign on to make it passable. Then all Mitch has to do is let it be brought to a vote and the Republicans avoid filibustering it to get it through the Senate. They can then throw up their hands and blame the RINOs for passing it.

So no GOPers have signed on yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:30:12am
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:30:22am

The GOP are not populists:

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:30:56am

re: #523 William Lewis

A few of their pieces look functional, but most there are wall hangers (stainless steel, decorative “stuff”). I find Kult of Athena far more fun to search through, especially when limiting the search to “battle ready”. Not that I’ll ever be fighting with sword or saber but for steel on steel exercise or cutting stuff (milk bottles & pool noodles forex :D), you need properly forged, quenched and tempered steel in the blade.

i carried a sword-cane for a while
as the one defense skill i have
and i was pretty good with it
so unless it’s a bad guy with a gun i might have a chance

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:31:04am

re: #550 jaunte

The GOP are not populists:

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Oh they are populists but in the worst sort of way.

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:31:17am

re: #543 Dave In Austin

My guess is we start seeing armbands pop up in the next 6 months or so.

Lapel pins.

Indeed, it’s been that way for quite a few years now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:31:20am
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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:31:44am

re: #548 Sir John Barron

So no GOPers have signed on yet?

Nope, but Ted Cruz has proposed a dumpster of a bill that he hopes will be confused for the Democratic one.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:31:50am

re: #539 HappyWarrior

He again is lying to his cult about what illegal immigration is. It’s NOT a criminal matter. If I told you, we should arrest every last person who has minor driving violations, you’d cal me crazy and you’d call me Stalin if i told oyu that you should lose your kids over it.

Yep. That’s always been my argument to people who scream about illegal immigration. It’s a misdemeanor!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:33:27am

re: #556 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Yep. That’s always been my argument to people who scream about illegal immigration. It’s a misdemeanor!

The way these ignorant fucks talk, tehy think it’s like robbing a bank. Not even fucking close and don’t get me started on the people who insist they’re just mooching off the public dole. The immigrants I know are some of the hardest working men and women I know. They’re not lazy like Trump is.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:34:24am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

The way these ignorant fucks talk, tehy think it’s like robbing a bank. Not even fucking close and don’t get me started on the people who insist they’re just mooching off the public dole. The immigrants I know are some of the hardest working men and women I know. They’re not lazy like Trump is.

And, they, by law, cannot mooch.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:34:48am

re: #549 Backwoods_Sleuth

Crime in Germany is up 10% plus (officials do not want to report these crimes) since migrants were accepted

Ah, we’re back to the “the reported numbers are not the real numbers” scam again, only this time applied to Germany.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:35:02am

re: #558 Belafon

And, they, by law, cannot mooch.

But they’ve been voting! // Just ask some random right wing hack I found!

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:35:23am

re: #539 HappyWarrior

He again is lying to his cult about what illegal immigration is. It’s NOT a criminal matter. If I told you, we should arrest every last person who has minor driving violations, you’d cal me crazy and you’d call me Stalin if i told oyu that you should lose your kids over it.

i could get behind this /// .5

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:35:36am

re: #559 Sir John Barron

Ah, we’re back to the “the reported numbers are not the real numbers” scam again, only this time applied to Germany.

I wish Merkel would tell him to shut his fucking mouth in the most German way possible.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:38:05am

re: #525 Weaselone

All 49 Democrats and Independents have signed onto Feinstein’s bill. All it takes is 2 of the Republican Senators who have already announced retirement to sign on to make it passable. Then all Mitch has to do is let it be brought to a vote and the Republicans avoid filibustering it to get it through the Senate. They can then throw up their hands and blame the RINOs for passing it.

They won’t because deep down inside every Republican Senator is a racist.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:38:48am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:39:41am

re: #540 Belafon

None of those 12K children should be put in cages.

you want to stop/slow migration? answer the question why

what is it that motivates people to point their kids towards the USA and say “you go. go without us.”

8000 of them if you can believe his numbers

slamming the door at the border wont stop it
a chance at here is still better than the reality of where they are coming from

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plansbandc  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:39:43am

A follower of mine, now blocked with impunity started off one of his tweets with, “I’m not racist but” and proceeded to drop a racist tweet about XXXTentacion’s death.

I’m sick of this constant stream of bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:40:55am

re: #564 The Vicious Babushka

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And that right there is why I will NEVER feel sorry or try to understand Trump supporters. That’s someone’s fucking child. He’s not an animal. He’s got a name. He’s got people who love him. He’s a fucking human being.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:41:16am

re: #546 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Does anyone have a link to the Feinstein bill?

pdf of the bill

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plansbandc  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:41:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:41:36am

re: #566 plansbandc

A follower of mine, now blocked with impunity started off one of his tweets with, “I’m not racist but” and proceeded to drop a racist tweet about XXXTentacion’s death.

I’m sick of this constant stream of bullshit.

My brother was telling me about that during our hike yesterday. Guy was just 20 years old and people just cavalierly laughing at his death.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:43:22am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

Ivanka Trump is a fraud.

She would never stand on her own and go against daddy Trump.

This politics stuff is just a lark…a whole future awaits and she needs the connection to Daddy’s purse strings.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:45:16am

re: #550 jaunte

The GOP are not populists:

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the modern gop is
- periodically manages to convince enough saps to vote for them
- when in office behave as if they know whats best for everybody
- thus screwing their voting base in the process
- sadly, the voting base is willingly ill informed and insane (over and over expecting a different result)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:46:09am

I have never been so angry, sad, and frustrated at the direction of my country.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:46:11am

re: #568 dangerman

pdf of the bill

Thanks so much!

Trump wouldn’t sign it if it passed because it doesn’t address EVERYTHING. Gah. I despise that man and his minions.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:46:42am

It’s not just Trump. There’s an inherent ugliness in so much of our fellow countrymen and women that won’t die with Trump’s departure.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:47:21am

re: #574 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Thanks so much!

Trump wouldn’t sign it if it passed because it doesn’t address EVERYTHING. Gah. I despise that man and his minions.

BTW thanks for liking my rant yesterday on FB. Meant a lot as did seeing some of my family from both mom and dad’s side agree.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:47:49am

re: #555 Belafon

Nope, but Ted Cruz has proposed a dumpster of a bill that he hopes will be confused for the Democratic one.

i cant find a link to any actual cruz bill

he did say

his proposal would double the number of federal immigration judges; authorize new temporary shelters that can accommodate families; and mandate that families immigrating illegally be kept together, absent criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:49:32am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

The way these ignorant fucks talk, tehy think it’s like robbing a bank. Not even fucking close and don’t get me started on the people who insist they’re just mooching off the public dole. The immigrants I know are some of the hardest working men and women I know. They’re not lazy like Trump is.

that’s why they are so dead set against the dreamers
rule of law is rule of law goddammit! no exceptions.*

(except for paul manafort)

*Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:49:45am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

BTW thanks for liking my rant yesterday on FB. Meant a lot as did seeing some of my family from both mom and dad’s side agree.

Always. You have much wisdom, grasshopper.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:51:08am

re: #558 Belafon

And, they, by law, cannot mooch.

unless, you know, there’s a democrat sitting at the desk at “the welfare office” and signs em up anyway, then tells them to go to the food stamp office and do the same, and then housing and …..

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:51:19am

re: #579 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Always. You have much wisdom, grasshopper.

Thanks. I try to not use memes to argue. What oyu’re going to getting from me is from the heart. Sometimes I’ll have errors but it’s always from the heart.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:51:54am

re: #573 HappyWarrior

I have never been so angry, sad, and frustrated at the direction of my country.

Most of us here, including you, were worried about the direction of our country years ago. It had to get this bad for a whole lot of other people to start paying attention and to change their attitudes. People like those in the fourth estate. Too many were ok with their comfort that they weren’t looking at where we were heading.

We can fix it, but like anything where you wait too long, the cost is way higher than it should have been.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:52:03am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

Thanks. I try to not use memes to argue. What oyu’re going to getting from me is from the heart. Sometimes I’ll have errors but it’s always from the heart.

It’s one of the things I really admire about you. :-)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:53:00am

re: #582 Belafon

Most of us here, including you, were worried about the direction of our country years ago. It had to get this bad for a whole lot of other people to start paying attention and to change their attitudes. People like those in the fourth estate. Too many were ok with their comfort that they weren’t looking at where we were heading.

We can fix it, but like anything where you wait too long, the cost is way higher than it should have been.

Yep. That’s why I have no intention to leave. This is my coutnry too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:53:08am

re: #583 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

It’s one of the things I really admire about you. :-)

Danke.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:54:09am

re: #577 dangerman

i cant find a link to any actual cruz bill

he did say

He can bullshit whatever he wants but he knows that Denny The Child Molester’s Rule is still the standard operating procedure in the Republican House and it won’t pass.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:55:16am

re: #566 plansbandc

A follower of mine, now blocked with impunity started off one of his tweets with, “I’m not racist but” and proceeded to drop a racist tweet about XXXTentacion’s death.

I’m sick of this constant stream of bullshit.

folks should learn that using “but” negates everything they just said

always always always replace “but” with “and” see if it still works
if not, well then you don’t have it

(yes it’s a peeve)

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 7:57:00am

re: #574 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Thanks so much!

Trump wouldn’t sign it if it passed because it doesn’t address EVERYTHING. Gah. I despise that man and his minions.

single issue bills expose politicans for the liars that they are

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BigPapa  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:01:17am

re: #435 A Mom Anon

I’m done being nice. You voted for this Shitshow, I cannot count you as a person of good intent or anything else. If you can do the giant stretch it takes to try to justify this, I want zero to do with you. I might even go so far as to call you an “animal”, but that would be an insult to actual creatures with a soul. So I think I’ll stick with more precise terms, like psychopath.

Cut Trump supporters off: The horror of migrant kids taken from parents demands personal action
Personal action is necessary. Do not give aid and comfort to the Trump supporters in your lives
CHAUNCEY DEVEGA

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:01:59am

re: #577 dangerman

i cant find a link to any actual cruz bill

he did say

texastribune.org

•Providing for expedited processing and review of asylum cases so that — within 14 days — those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.

I doubt 750 judges are going to do much to make that happen.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:04:30am

re: #589 BigPapa

Cut Trump supporters off: The horror of migrant kids taken from parents demands personal action
Personal action is necessary. Do not give aid and comfort to the Trump supporters in your lives
CHAUNCEY DEVEGA

Saw that you saw my FB post too, thanks, didn’t get any bites from the Trumpers I know. Too bad, I really wanted to engage them. I don’t think I’m going to get anything. I’ve pointed out to Trumpers on other pages that it’s a civil violation and that many of the detained are in fact asylum seekers.

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BeachDem  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:14:12am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how much it would be to custom make some postcards with that picture of the crying child on them.

Vistaprint has the cheapest prices I’ve found. And they do a good job.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:15:58am

currently

YouTube

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:22:04am

re: #570 HappyWarrior

My brother was telling me about that during our hike yesterday. Guy was just 20 years old and people just cavalierly laughing at his death.

I’m not laughing at his death, but he was not a good guy. He beat his pregnant ex girlfriend to within an inch of her life and kept her captive. She’s still having surgeries to deal with it. He also severely beat a man who was in the same holding cell as him because he thought he was gay. When media wrote about his violent history he would go on social media and double down. No remorse.

The way some people are supporting him post mortem has been extremely dismissive of his victims. The misogyny and homophobia are strong.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:26:58am

re: #594 JordanRules

I’m not laughing at his death, but he was not a good guy. He beat his pregnant ex girlfriend to within an inch of her life and kept her captive. She’s still having surgeries to deal with it. He also severely beat a man who was in the same holding cell as him because he thought he was gay. When media wrote about his violent history he would go on social media and double down. No remorse.

The way some people are supporting him post mortem has been extremely dismissive of his victims. The misogyny and homophobia are strong.

Oh no doubt. He was just saying that people shouldn’t celebrate a death like that with more ugliness. Your position is perfectly legit.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:27:17am

My wife bought me a package of the Dove Dark Chocolates. The wrapper of each contains some quote from a person that’s supposed to be inspirational. A couple of them are along the lines of “live your life so that you have no regrets.” I kind of think that people who have no regrets are people who didn’t try very hard.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:29:07am

I fear we’re going to witness an American genocide of Hispanics in our lifetimes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:30:19am

re: #596 Belafon

My wife bought me a package of the Dove Dark Chocolates. The wrapper of each contains some quote from a person that’s supposed to be inspirational. A couple of them are along the lines of “live your life so that you have no regrets.” I kind of think that people who have no regrets are people who didn’t try very hard.

Life without regrets to me suggest you didn’t challenge your comforts.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:30:47am

re: #597 DodgerFan1988

I fear we’re going to witness an American genocide of Hispanics in our lifetimes.

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He’s gonna try.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:31:22am

re: #596 Belafon

My wife bought me a package of the Dove Dark Chocolates. The wrapper of each contains some quote from a person that’s supposed to be inspirational. A couple of them are along the lines of “live your life so that you have no regrets.” I kind of think that people who have no regrets are people who didn’t try very hard.

I think it is in the sense that you should not regret not having tried something…

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Teukka  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:33:57am

re: #597 DodgerFan1988

I fear we’re going to witness an American genocide of Hispanics in our lifetimes.

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Is there a source which is a bit more independent?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:34:29am

The Trumpers always try to include token examples of Trump not being a total asshole to black people as proof somehow he’s not racist. Trump has been a racist against African-Americans don’t get me wrong but his primary ire has been about Hispanics.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:35:33am

re: #601 Teukka

Is there a source which is a bit more independent?

From horse’s ass itself.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:35:40am

re: #602 HappyWarrior

The Trumpers always try to include token examples of Trump not being a total asshole to black people as proof somehow he’s not racist. Trump has been a racist against African-Americans don’t get me wrong but his primary ire has been about Hispanics.

His most vocal ire has been voiced at immigrants, mainly those from Latin America.

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danarchy  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:35:48am

re: #598 HappyWarrior

Life without regrets to me suggest you didn’t challenge your comforts.

Well, there are two types of regrets. There is the regret at not having done something with all the what might have been musings.

Then there is the regretting having done something ill conceived, like trying to jump off your roof onto a trampoline and breaking your neck.

You can stay well within your comfort zone and have many of the first type of regrets.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:36:12am

re: #604 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His most vocal ire has been voiced at immigrants, mainly those from Latin America.

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:36:31am

re: #605 danarchy

Well, there are two types of regrets. There is the regret at not having done something with all the what might have been musings.

Then there is the regretting having done something ill conceived, like trying to jump off your roof onto a trampoline and breaking your neck.

You can stay well within your comfort zone and have many of the first type of regrets.

Agree.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:37:12am

re: #605 danarchy

Well, there are two types of regrets. There is the regret at not having done something with all the what might have been musings.

Then there is the regretting having done something ill conceived, like trying to jump off your roof onto a trampoline and breaking your neck.

You can stay well within your comfort zone and have many of the first type of regrets.

I have an ample share of both…

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:37:22am
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:38:06am

re: #595 HappyWarrior

Oh no doubt. He was just saying that people shouldn’t celebrate a death like that with more ugliness. Your position is perfectly legit.

And that’s definitely not my kind of energy but a lot of people have been pointing out the extreme hypocrisy (with receipts) of some of the folks who are now touting this extreme respectability narrative where they don’t give a damn if people celebrate a racists death (or wish it on them ala George Zimmerman) but somehow women and gay people never rate. It’s been an interesting conversation to watch. Again, not my personal choice but there’s a more complicated thread there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:39:12am

re: #609 MsJ

It’s Roger Radcliffe’s fault that i had to make those puppies into a coat!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:39:23am

re: #610 JordanRules

And that’s definitely not my kind of energy but a lot of people have been pointing out the extreme hypocrisy (with receipts) of some of the folks who are now touting this extreme respectability narrative where they don’t give a damn if people celebrate a racists death (or wish it on them ala George Zimmerman) but somehow women and gay people never rate. It’s been an interesting conversation to watch. Again, not my personal choice but there’s a more complicated thread there.

I know. What my brotehr was witnessing was racism directed at the man or crass remarks because of his profession.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:40:27am

re: #611 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s Roger Radcliffe’s fault that i had to make those puppies into a coat!

Next up, we try understanding the Evil Queen’s motivation and why killing your step daughter with a poison apple isn’t alway wrong//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:41:23am

I honestly don’t want to hear lecturing about parenting from an administration whose President barely sees his own son.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:41:40am

re: #613 HappyWarrior

Next up, we try understanding the Evil Queen’s motivation and why killing your step daughter with a poison apple isn’t alway wrong//

If you don’t want to get killed by a poison apple, then don’t enter the Magic Kingdom illegally!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:42:22am

re: #614 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t want to hear lecturing about parenting from an administration whose President barely sees his own son.

again, it is just flailing around for talking points to distract from the intentional inhumanity of what they are doing

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:43:07am

re: #615 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you don’t want to get killed by a poison apple, then don’t enter the Magic Kingdom illegally!

All we’re saying is that we need to understand the Queen’s anxiety about having her step daughter be more beautiful than she was. Instead of trusting the beautiful princess who was kind ot the forest creatures and dwarves, think about the queen, she was getting old and didn’t want to lose her beauty!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:43:31am

re: #616 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, it is just flailing around for talking points to distract from the intentional inhumanity of what they are doing

Oh I know but I want someone to point out the her that Trump’s a shitty excuse for a father.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:44:57am

re: #603 HappyWarrior

From horse’s ass itself.

“He’s bringing America together!”

/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:45:10am

You know who’s been silent as hell on this? Ron Paul. Mr. I made my whole career acting like any government involvement was the worst evil thing ever. Of course, as I said yesterday that the Paul family’s not so little secret is that they don’t care about the liberty of non white people especially ones that aren’t citizens.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:45:16am

The circle of fuckedupness.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:46:22am

re: #621 JordanRules

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The circle of fuckedupness.

The Republican Base is the cause of so many of our problems. They’re heartless pieces of shit.

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retired cynic  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:46:50am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

Thanks. I try to not use memes to argue. What oyu’re going to getting from me is from the heart. Sometimes I’ll have errors but it’s always from the heart.

I “liked” it, too. Guess who is retired cynic?

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:53:22am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:55:29am

re: #276 Targetpractice

You really believe that Republicans have the stomach to continue this inhumane policy all the way through November? I doubt it. This is not a win for them even if their base is ecstatic about harassing Brown people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:55:31am

re: #624 JordanRules

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Finally caught it. Good movie and classy gesture.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:56:07am

re: #625 Patricia Kayden

You really believe that Republicans have the stomach to continue this inhumane policy all the way through November? I doubt it. This is not a win for them even if their base is ecstatic about harassing Brown people.

Don’t underestimate their slavish loyalty to Trump.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:56:57am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:58:41am

re: #628 JordanRules

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Old, wealthy bigots who already made it.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:58:52am

re: #627 HappyWarrior

67% of Americans disapprove of this policy now and I can’t see that percentage going down as we get more images/audio of children crying for their parents over the next few weeks. The Republican base isn’t anywhere near to being the majority of Americans. From now until November, every Republican in office is going to have to defend this travesty and there is no defense.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:59:12am

re: #604 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His most vocal ire has been voiced at immigrants, mainly those from Latin America.

Let’s also not forget all those other “shithole” countries.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:59:30am

re: #625 Patricia Kayden

You really believe that Republicans have the stomach to continue this inhumane policy all the way through November? I doubt it. This is not a win for them even if their base is ecstatic about harassing Brown people.

I believe they’ll start walking it back on the low within a week. Trump cannot handle the thought that he’s not the most popular girl at the prom.

On the other hand, I read yesterday that Trump doesn’t want to compromise because he thinks it’ll make him look weak. So he may just be stupid enough to really wreck the midterms.

It’s an internal battle between the Big Tough Guy and the Needy Narcissist.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:59:55am
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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:00:00am

re: #624 JordanRules

Did you catch what Michael B. Jordan said: “I’m shocked that I won this award for Best Villain. I thought for sure Roseanne had that in the bag.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:00:24am

re: #621 JordanRules

So, as I understand it:

Trump has imposed vicious border policies partly to fire up the base, because his big “win” — the tax cut — is still unpopular

Now Republicans may try to repeal Obamacare again, partly to fire up the base, because family separations are so unpopular

failing that, we go to war, always a winner

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:01:09am

re: #634 Belafon

Did you catch what Michael B. Jordan said: “I’m shocked that I won this award for Best Villain. I thought for sure Roseanne had that in the bag.”

I did! Pitch perfect.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:01:27am

re: #354 MsJ

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Nice throw! Good form on the windup also.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:01:29am

re: #630 Patricia Kayden

67% of Americans disapprove of this policy now and I can’t see that percentage going down as we get more images/audio of children crying for their parents over the next few weeks. The Republican base isn’t anywhere near to being the majority of Americans. From now until November, every Republican in office is going to have to defend this travesty and there is no defense.

I agree but you’ve seen what happens to GOP incumbents who speak out against Trump. They’re afraid of his wrath and base.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:02:08am

re: #616 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, it is just flailing around for talking points to distract from the intentional inhumanity of what they are doing

…and russiagate
…and puerto rico

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:03:11am

re: #635 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hmmmm. The days when Bush and Cheney could lie us into a war (mostly because we were traumatized by 9/11) are hopefully well behind us. The good thing about Trump is that he has lied so much that most of us don’t believe a word he says about anything. There is no way we would give him the benefit of the doubt if he started an (unnecessary) war.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:03:15am

re: #630 Patricia Kayden

67% of Americans disapprove of this policy now and I can’t see that percentage going down as we get more images/audio of children crying for their parents over the next few weeks. The Republican base isn’t anywhere near to being the majority of Americans. From now until November, every Republican in office is going to have to defend this travesty and there is no defense.

This represents a point where he went too far in pleasing his base and basically offended everybody else, even those who generally support his immigration policies.

The GOP needs to be made to own up to this, even if they fix it tomorrow.

They need to own it until every single child is reunited with their families.

Which means forever, as the damage is already permanent in too many cases.

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retired cynic  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:03:16am

What I wish we could all do to blow away all of this news and heat:

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:03:17am

re: #621 JordanRules

So, as I understand it:

Trump has imposed vicious border policies partly to fire up the base, because his big “win” — the tax cut — is still unpopular

Now Republicans may try to repeal Obamacare again, partly to fire up the base, because family separations are so unpopular

The circle of fuckedupness.

unpopularism

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:04:01am

re: #635 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

failing that, we go to war, always a winner

Yup!
And we’re so beyond our usual and many times dysfunctional foreign policy positions that I can’t even begin to guess who the war would be with.

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Teukka  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:05:49am

re: #635 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

failing that, we go to war, always a winner

And failing that, global thermonuclear war. That’ll teach them…
Dunno if ///

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:18am

As long as Fox News tells him he’s winning and the GOP keeps kissing his ass, Trump won’t change these policies.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:32am

re: #641 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“The GOP needs to be made to own up to this, even if they fix it tomorrow.”

YEP. To be honest, I don’t see how Republicans live this anti-family, immoral, inhumane policy down. Even if Trump reverses it today, the damage is forever — not only for the impacted families but for the GOP.

Congressional Republicans could have stood up to him and passed a veto-proof bill but they won’t even do that.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:40am

re: #632 makeitstop

I’m afraid that they will start walking it back publicly but not really stop doing it.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:53am

re: #628 JordanRules

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i hread this yesterday

they think this area could put rick scott over the top

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:08:21am

re: #640 Patricia Kayden

Hmmmm. The days when Bush and Cheney could lie us into a war (mostly because we were traumatized by 9/11) are hopefully well behind us. The good thing about Trump is that he has lied so much that most of us don’t believe a word he says about anything. There is no way we would give him the benefit of the doubt if he started an (unnecessary) war.

Media went along with Bush for fear that he might not have been lying and they did not want to be seen as insufficiently patriotic.

They will go along with Trump because wars are good for ratings.

And people will literally die because they know it will keep viewers tuned in.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:08:32am

re: #647 Patricia Kayden

“The GOP needs to be made to own up to this, even if they fix it tomorrow.”

YEP. To be honest, I don’t see how Republicans live this anti-family, immoral, inhumane policy down. Even if Trump reverses it today, the damage is forever — not only for the impacted families but for the GOP.

Congressional Republicans could have stood up to him and passed a veto-proof bill but they won’t even do that.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:09:11am

re: #649 dangerman

i hread this yesterday

they think this area could put rick scott over the top

Yeah. A thoroughly corrupt, criminal bastard to lead them. Sounds about right (or white).

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:09:36am

re: #647 Patricia Kayden

“The GOP needs to be made to own up to this, even if they fix it tomorrow.”

YEP. To be honest, I don’t see how Republicans live this anti-family, immoral, inhumane policy down. Even if Trump reverses it today, the damage is forever — not only for the impacted families but for the GOP.

Congressional Republicans could have stood up to him and passed a veto-proof bill but they won’t even do that.

But then they’d have to enforce it if he didn’t follow it, and there’s currently only one mechanism for that.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:11:30am

re: #648 JordanRules

I’m afraid that they will start walking it back publicly but not really stop doing it.

That might be more difficult than they think.

This is THE story everywhere - even the more non-political folks on Facebook are putting up ‘I don’t usually post political stuff, but…’ posts. It’s caught the attention of a lot of people who aren’t watching this administration like a hawk, like we do here.

And the media smells a story. Just about every network had anchors on the border last night.

Not going away. And if they try to fake it, I think they’ll be caught ass-out trying to do it.

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nines09  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:12:08am

All Lives Matter

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:12:40am

They’re definitely feeling the heat in Congress…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:13:04am

re: #654 makeitstop

This is THE story everywhere - even the more non-political folks on Facebook are putting up ‘I don’t usually post political stuff, but…’ posts. It’s caught the attention of a lot of people who aren’t watching this administration like a hawk, like we do here.

Dead school kids shut down the NRA’s ability to control the narrative

Crying refugee/immigrant kids shut down the GOP’s ability to do so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:14:21am

re: #656 makeitstop

Sen. Hatch tells @NBCNews that he is circulating a letter for Republican and Democrat Senators to sign calling for AG sessions to apply a moratorium on family separations at the border until Congress can act ]

and this will be seen as a “betrayal” by the base ,

win-win situation for the rest of us…

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:14:35am
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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:14:55am

re: #658 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and this will be seen as a “betrayal” by the base ,

win-win situation for the rest of us…

I’m hoping for injuries on both sides. :)

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:15:07am

re: #656 makeitstop

They’re definitely feeling the heat in Congress…

Or, Congress could act, because Jeff isn’t going to stop.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:16:49am

re: #624 JordanRules

Shannon Watts ✔
@shannonrwatts
MUST WATCH: Last night, Chadwick Boseman gave his Best Hero Award for Black Panther to James Shaw Jr., the Waffle House shooting hero, who was sitting in the audience at the #MTVAwards⁠. 😭😭😭

That was a great thing to do. Impressive.

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plansbandc  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:18:18am

Thought this was a typical trumpster response and a very well thought out slap down of that response from one of our allies.

Well, I have words….. you would rather have the American tax payers spent up to $30,000 per illegal child than to help the millions of American children that are living in poverty in the inner cities? Anyway, this has been going on for many , many years and the media has just now chosen to carry on about it. You have no idea the cost to the American tax payer for these illegals and I think that is a shame! Our American children should come first and our poor elderly.

Here’s a way to save the supposed $30K — don’t separate the child from their parents in the first place. Stop criminalizing the asylum process. And no - the current policy of immediately separating children from parents has not been going on for many years. This is a new “enforcement” tactic by the AG and Trump administration to try to blackmail Democrats into a agreeing to build a completely useless “wall” to keep the brown people out. You want to see a waste of money? That stupid wall is basically just throwing money down the drain.

The fact that you or anyone would put a price on the trauma inflicted upon a child by forcibly removing them from their parents and then housing them in a CAGE is simply appalling. Our immigration process needs to be reformed to disincentivize illegally crossing the border in order to get the asylum process started. That is why this is happening — an illegal crossing is the only practical way to actually get your asylum case heard. You want to discuss positive ways to reform our system? I’m all for it. You want to criminalize other human beings and rip their children away from them? That is simply disgusting.

As for the other people who need help in this country - absolutely, we should be taking care of our own poverty stricken children and elderly. And veterans, and sick, and disabled. And everyone else that you probably don’t crow about until you need to use them as a tool in an argument about undocumented immigrants.

Once I see the Trump supporters getting serious about helping the poor, I’ll start listening. Instead, Trump and his ilk prefer to shower tax cuts on the wealthy, destroy healthcare for the poor and middle class, and cut food stamps for those poor and elderly people you seem to care about so much. If you support those policies, I have to wonder why you use those same poor and elderly as a tool to gain empathy for your argument against helping underage undocumented immigrants.

In fact, I just saw a meme on your page that lambasts poor people in this country, which suggests to me your opinion doesn’t really stem from a place of concern for those less fortunate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:18:52am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:20:36am
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:23:03am
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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:23:36am

re: #665 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“What’s a bunch of children when the rich just don’t have enough money?”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:24:30am
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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:25:13am

re: #632 makeitstop

I believe they’ll start walking it back on the low within a week. Trump cannot handle the thought that he’s not the most popular girl at the prom.

On the other hand, I read yesterday that Trump doesn’t want to compromise because he thinks it’ll make him look weak. So he may just be stupid enough to really wreck the midterms.

It’s an internal battle between the Big Tough Guy and the Needy Narcissist.

I hope Trump and the Republicans do whatever they can to make them as hated as humanly possible so they really help force a Republican drubbing come November.

And as far as Trump worried about looking weak…that is the least of his problems. He has a whole bunch of looks that are not going to help him.

He may have conned a bunch of people in the election race, but the reality of Trump is now clear. The Republicans are going to have to move away from him in the elections and they will not be able to because he will tear into them. A prefect setup for an election ass kicking.

Just needed to get the vote out. I have a feeling Trump is motivating a group of voters that want to see him and the Republicans gone that may have sat out or was :meh: about Hillary.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:29:01am

Thread from 2017.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:29:54am
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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:29:56am

re: #666 JordanRules

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scottslemmons  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:31:55am
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:32:41am
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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:34:17am

re: #674 JordanRules

May I ask what’s in the picture?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:34:59am
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:35:18am

Labour MP

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:35:58am

re: #656 makeitstop

They’re definitely feeling the heat in Congress…

NEW: Sen. Hatch tells @NBCNews that he is circulating a letter for Republican and Democrat Senators to sign calling for AG sessions to apply a moratorium on family separations at the border until Congress can act

100% dems on board with an actual bill
0 republicans

one republican writes a letter

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:36:16am

re: #676 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The dad thing is sessions should be fired. But not for this.

Catch-22.

Fuck.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:37:03am

Already getting bombarded for shitty policy, Donny decides he REALLY wants to help the GOP win in November:

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:37:10am

re: #675 Belafon

May I ask what’s in the picture?

The NYT statement is screen capped and it basically says the WH didn’t agree to a podcast so since we didn’t specify the ground rules (even tho interview was on the record), we will not use the audio.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:37:20am

re: #669 ObserverArt

I hope Trump and the Republicans do whatever they can to make them as hated as humanly possible so they really help force a Republican drubbing come November.

And as far as Trump worried about looking weak…that is the least of his problems. He has a whole bunch of looks that are not going to help him.

He may have conned a bunch of people in the election race, but the reality of Trump is now clear. The Republicans are going to have to move away from him in the elections and they will not be able to because he will tear into them. A prefect setup for an election ass kicking.

Just needed to get the vote out. I have a feeling Trump is motivating a group of voters that want to see him and the Republicans gone that may have sat out or was :meh: about Hillary.

I said a long time ago that they were going to paint themselves into the Mother of All Corners. They’re afraid of pissing Trump and his cult off, so they’ll tacitly endorse terrible policy - which they will not be able to distance themselves from and will piss off people who hate the policies.

Their choice has always been to stand up to the Trump Cult, or alienate the moderates. Just about every one of them has made the wrong choice. And they’re laboring under the imbecilic notion that they’ll be able to thread that needle and keep their gigs.

That needle will be exponentially more difficult to thread as the midterms get closer.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:37:21am

This summer is going to be one hell of a ride

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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:37:53am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:41:08am

I’m imagining all the doctoral dissertations that will focus on the complete collapse of ethical behavior during the Trump administration

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:41:18am

re: #664 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Washington has failed again & again to deliver needed immigration reform - Congress and the administration must step up and work together to fix our broken system. Immigration enforcement efforts should focus on criminals, not separating innocent children from their families.

but those kiddies are all just baby MS-13 thugs!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:41:30am

re: #597 DodgerFan1988

I fear we’re going to witness an American genocide of Hispanics in our lifetimes.

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I feel that we shouldn’t borrow trouble. Work on stopping what’s happening now so it doesn’t come to that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:42:40am

re: #668 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Confirmed that Donald Trump Jr. dropped out of George P. Bush’s fundraiser, warned George P a few weeks ago that if Jeb didn’t stop attacking POTUS there would be problems, per source. As first reported by

The thought of George P Bush being touted as some sort of voice of conscience and responsibility is bad enough…

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electrotek  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:42:58am

re: #683 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This summer is going to be one hell of a ride

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Cut Copy - Blink And You’ll Miss A Revolution

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:43:08am

re: #683 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This summer is going to be one hell of a ride

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:43:45am

re: #674 JordanRules

The New York Times has issued a statement on why it complied with a White House request not to use audio of its Stephen Miller interview on “The Daily” podcast.

this is the thinnest of hair splitting

you can use my words verbatim in print
not as they are coming out of my mouth

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:43:58am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:44:26am

re: #664 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’s MD, Jake. Hogan is attempting to pseudo woo the mostly (D) state. He is not as big a shit as I had expected him to be; still won’t vote for him, but he hasn’t savaged the state too much.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:44:41am

re: #685 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m imagining all the doctoral dissertations that will focus on the complete collapse of ethical behavior during the Trump administration

In America, swamp drains you!!!

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:45:25am

re: #676 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump’s campaign manager [parscale] is urging the president to fire the attorney general

while trump’s other campaign manager (paul manafort) is, well, you know…

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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:45:42am

re: #514 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stealing designs? Operating slave factories? So many things to choose from.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:46:43am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:47:38am

re: #669 ObserverArt

I hope Trump and the Republicans do whatever they can to make them as hated as humanly possible so they really help force a Republican drubbing come November.

i want to agree with the sentiment and still recognize that the cost in humanity is very high

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:49:01am

re: #683 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump threatens to shut down government over border wall funding

Go for it, asshole.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:50:00am

From today.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:50:09am

dow is still hovering in -350 territory

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:50:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:51:09am

re: #683 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump threatens to shut down government over border wall funding: report http://

let him and the whole party wear it around their neck, let it remind us of what they did to those children

do not let loose of this until every single kid has been returned to their family

which is basically forever because some of those kids are not coming back

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:51:39am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:51:52am

re: #701 dangerman

dow is still hovering in -350 territory

The Monkees - Goin’ Down

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:51:59am

re: #656 makeitstop

They’re definitely feeling the heat in Congress…

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Hatch’s church condemned this (to my surprise, given Mormon politics. I would have expected them to be silent).

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:52:27am

re: #703 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

lwt him and the whole party wear it around their neck, let it remind us of what they did to those children

do not let loose of this until every single kid has been returned to their family

which is basically forever because some of those kids are not coming back

Yup.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:56:17am
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:57:12am

re: #705 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Video

that’s a deep cut

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:57:29am

re: #691 dangerman

this is the thinnest of hair splitting

you can use my words verbatim in print
not as they are coming out of my mouth

Probably because Miller shot his mouth off and got a little too Nazi-real for the White House’s liking.

He’s a repulsive little Nazi brat who could stand a little - or a lot - of humbling. I will dance in the end zone when he’s brought low.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:57:42am

Ya know, The GOP could’ve said “Fuck that” when it came to letting Trump get the nomination. They knew better. Technically, they could’ve denied him the nomination but chose not to because of the suspected wrath from the red hats. After Nixon resigned, they feared the GOP was destroyed for decades. Turns out it was for only one election cycle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:59:13am

re: #711 Ace Rothstein

Ya know, The GOP could’ve said “Fuck that” when it came to letting Trump get the nomination. They knew better. Technically, they could’ve denied him the nomination but chose not to because of the suspected wrath from the red hats. After Nixon resigned, they feared the GOP was destroyed for decades. Turns out it was for only one election cycle.

they knew that they could not win without him, and nobody else on the roster could appeal to his base like he did.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:59:51am

re: #712 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they knew that they could not win without him, and nobody else on the roster could appeal to his base like he did.

I don’t think that’s true. I think Kasich could have won.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:00:01am

re: #711 Ace Rothstein

Ya know, The GOP could’ve said “Fuck that” when it came to letting Trump get the nomination. They knew better. Technically, they could’ve denied him the nomination but chose not to because of the suspected wrath from the red hats. After Nixon resigned, they feared the GOP was destroyed for decades. Turns out it was for only one election cycle.

at that point i have (almost) no doubt they all thought he’d lose to clinton, so just let it play out…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:00:16am
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Jay C  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:00:50am

re: #704 JordanRules

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Just saw this on TV: Sen. Nelson seems quite pissed: said he’s going back to DC tonite to make a fuss over this issue in the Senate. Good luck to him (no snark).

Also, just head my wife screaming profane abuse at top volume: turns out (no surprise) she was listening to the Orange Anus spouting off his immigration bullshit to some small-business group (NFIB?) gathering. The usual crapola, but the crowd seemed to be eating it up……

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:01:31am

re: #714 dangerman

at that point i have (almost) no doubt they all thought he’d lose to clinton, so just let it play out…

I think contrary to what Wendell said, they thought he’d lose and then they’d be able to act like he was a stupid freak accident and then they’d nominate some tool like Rubio in 2020 against Clinton.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:02:18am

re: #715 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Professional lawyers?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:03:12am

re: #713 HappyWarrior

I don’t think that’s true. I think Kasich could have won.

they did the math: with trump they had that 30% rabid base tied up, they just needed to convince 20% more or at least convince enough people to vote third party or not vote at all

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:03:20am

Fun thought: While we may not be able to drive Trump from office (yet), we may very well succeed in driving him out of his narcissistic little mind.

Keep making noise. By the sound of that disjointed rant posted above, he’s hating his life right now.

Let’s do everything we can to make it worse.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:03:39am

re: #718 Ace Rothstein

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Professional lawyers?

As opposed to amateur lawyers? YEah he’s an enemy of democracy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:05:01am

re: #719 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they did the math: with trump they had that 30% rabid base tied up, they just needed to convince 20% more or at least convince enough people to vote third party or not vote at all

You’re ignoring that Trump won due to a freak accident. Trump only won because he got enough votes in the right places. You’re giving them way way too much credit and ignoring that going into November of two years ago, the GOP was going to be eager to distance themselves from his mess.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:05:25am

re: #718 Ace Rothstein

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Professional lawyers?

Well, he just pretty much acknowledge that his lawyers of choice are unprofessional and corrupt
I’m sure Michael Cohen appreciates that

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:05:34am

Trump doesn’t want immigrants to have professional lawyers, because he can’t hire any for his own defense.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:06:19am

re: #717 HappyWarrior

I think contrary to what Wendell said, they thought he’d lose and then they’d be able to act like he was a stupid freak accident and then they’d nominate some tool like Rubio in 2020 against Clinton.

people did the math: Michael Moore also figured it out. All they had to do was win all the states they took under Romney (no problem with that) and pick up OH, MI, WI and PA.

With those electoral votes, they would not even need Florida.

So they decided it was worth the run…with anyone else, Hillary’s popular vote lead would have led to an EC win.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:06:21am
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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:06:21am

re: #701 dangerman

dow is still hovering in -350 territory

I’m amazed the bottom hasn’t dropped out yet. I wonder what Trump will have to do to cause that?

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:06:35am

Kyle is live tweeting the hearing. There’s a lot going on.

Katie has quite a thread too.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:08:01am

re: #704 JordanRules

information.

The Democratic senator was denied entry to the Homestead Temporary Shelter for Unaccompanied Children.

“This is a federally contracted facility,” he said. “This is in my state of Florida. We are being denied entry to see about the welfare of children as well as to see about children separated from parents.”

The agency that oversees the facility — the Department of Health and Human Services — has also refused to explain to reporters the facility’s role in President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown.

lets just be a tiny little bit careful here
federally contracted facility probably means its private
there are rules and procedures (or should be) about who is allowed in and when - certainly the HHS, state inspectors, among others.
merely being a senator doesnt necessarily give you entry to poke around, tour, take pictures, bring reporters etc

and yes, im all for the optics and the indignation

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:08:31am

re: #717 HappyWarrior

I think contrary to what Wendell said, they thought he’d lose and then they’d be able to act like he was a stupid freak accident and then they’d nominate some tool like Rubio in 2020 against Clinton.

yup

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:08:33am

re: #722 HappyWarrior

You’re ignoring that Trump won due to a freak accident. Trump only won because he got enough votes in the right places. You’re giving them way way too much credit and ignoring that going into November of two years ago, the GOP was going to be eager to distance themselves from his mess.

that was not a freak accident, that was a carefully planned and orchestrated strategy

it panned out between voter suppression, disinformation, partisan FBI involvement and probably through collusion with foreign interests and governments.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:08:56am

I hate Trump and the GOP with the power of a thousand suns.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:10:13am
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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:11:04am

re: #717 HappyWarrior

I think contrary to what Wendell said, they thought he’d lose and then they’d be able to act like he was a stupid freak accident and then they’d nominate some tool like Rubio in 2020 against Clinton.

And Fox would spend for years bitching about Clinton, continuing dragging her name through the mud. That was the right wing plan.

Now, if we’re lucky and smart and dedicated, the right should die the death it deserves.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:11:36am

re: #718 Ace Rothstein

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Professional lawyers?

Trump complains that immigrants are hiring “professional lawyers.”

the snark is not the redundancy
its that he’s implying they are gaming the system -
getting a lawyer to help them unfailrly gain entry to the US when they dont qualify or havent earned it

kind of like what trump’s cadre of lawyers are doing in all his cases going on at this moment - play the refs, beat the system, get him off the hook

exhibit one: giuilani

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:12:55am

re: #729 dangerman

lets just be a tiny little bit careful here
federally contracted facility probably means its private
there are rules and procedures (or should be) about who is allowed in and when - certainly the HHS, state inspectors, among others.
merely being a senator doesnt necessarily give you entry to poke around, tour, take pictures, bring reporters etc

and yes, im all for the optics and the indignation

And I think that needs to change. A Congressperson ought to be able to enter those types of facilities due to the responsibility as a check on the executive.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:13:03am

re: #727 Winston_Smith

I’m amazed the bottom hasn’t dropped out yet. I wonder what Trump will have to do to cause that?

$2bn more tariffs?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:13:17am
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Renaissance_Man  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:13:36am

re: #722 HappyWarrior

You’re ignoring that Trump won due to a freak accident. Trump only won because he got enough votes in the right places. You’re giving them way way too much credit and ignoring that going into November of two years ago, the GOP was going to be eager to distance themselves from his mess.

I don’t think that FOX thought they could win the presidency. I think they planned on a Clinton presidency and an extension of the business model they had during the Obama years. Russia would have gotten what they wanted - a chaotic and weakened US, with a significant proportion of America convinced their government was illegitimate.

I think the sheer volume of racist, evil Americans surprised everyone, even the people who had worked to create them. For the first year or so, they didn’t quite know what to do with this unexpected bonanza. FOX literally won the presidency and didn’t know what to do with it.

Now they know. Straight up Nazism - maintain power by spreading propaganda and sacrificing the disenfranchised.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:14:10am

re: #725 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

people did the math: Michael Moore also figured it out. All they had to do was win all the states they took under Romney (no problem with that) and pick up OH, MI, WI and PA.

With those electoral votes, they would not even need Florida.

So they decided it was worth the run…with anyone else, Hillary’s popular vote lead would have led to an EC win.

I’m merely saying that was a surprise to us all. Yes, Moore saw it but it surprised most people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:14:34am

re: #734 MsJ

And Fox would spend for years bitching about Clinton, continuing dragging her name through the mud. That was the right wing plan.

Now, if we’re lucky and smart and dedicated, the right should die the death it deserves.

that was the backup plan, all those stolen votes

but I don’t think they planned on losing with Trump

It was a crap shoot, but it paid off by a few tens of thousands of votes in the right places.

It was their only chance to win

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:14:40am

re: #739 Renaissance_Man

I don’t think that FOX thought they could win the presidency. I think they planned on a Clinton presidency and an extension of the business model they had during the Obama years. Russia would have gotten what they wanted - a chaotic and weakened US, with a significant proportion of America convinced their government was illegitimate.

I think the sheer volume of racist, evil Americans surprised everyone, even the people who had worked to create them. For the first year or so, they didn’t quite know what to do with this unexpected bonanza. FOX literally won the presidency and didn’t know what to do with it.

Now they know. Straight up Nazism - maintain power by spreading propaganda and sacrificing the disenfranchised.

Agreed. FNC still plays out as if HRC won.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:15:02am

re: #729 dangerman

lets just be a tiny little bit careful here
federally contracted facility probably means its private
there are rules and procedures (or should be) about who is allowed in and when - certainly the HHS, state inspectors, among others.
merely being a senator doesnt necessarily give you entry to poke around, tour, take pictures, bring reporters etc

and yes, im all for the optics and the indignation

The one Merkly went to was also private. People discussed how easy it is to verify who is a Congress person after they were denied entry. And yes, I think they should be let in to tour, poke around and bring reporters.
The element of surprise is also necessary in some of these visits to *for-profit child prison camps*.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:15:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:15:30am

re: #738 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Merit based entry huh? Well that surely wasn’t Melania or Ivana because you’re a shitty lay.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:15:32am

re: #716 Jay C

AND… he’s still rabbiting on about “open borders” and “Democratic voters” and: amazingly (sic) enough: Hillary Clinton.

Geez: I’m old enough to remember when Americans used to sneer at the oratorical excesses of certain world leaders (Fidel Castro comes to mind) who would subject their people to lengthy repetitive rants on TV… I guess we’re all supposed to be grateful for the freedom we have to change the channel.

BTW: Anybody know what the public media situation is like in North Korea? I recall reading some years ago that they had just two TV channels, and that all TV in the country had to be pre-set to just those two (and that the Norks’ TV technology was deliberately designed around obsolete Russian broadcast standards just to make doubly sure that the people wouldn’t even be able to get “outside” news)

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danarchy  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:18:19am

re: #737 dangerman

$2bn more tariffs?

Well today’s drop is because he threatened another $200 billion in tariffs on China. I doubt 2 billion more would make much difference.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:18:41am

He’s a damn idiot.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:19:55am

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:20:26am

re: #748 JordanRules

He’s a damn idiot.

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I wouldn’t be able to resist the overwhelming impulse to yell at him, “Hey, shut the fuck up, you crazy old bastard!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:21:16am

re: #740 HappyWarrior

I’m merely saying that was a surprise to us all. Yes, Moore saw it but it surprised most people.

Surprised me, but if MM figured it out, I suspect that there were enough RNC people who decided it was worth the risk, and if they lost, they had the trash-Hillary -for-four-years backup option.

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