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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:09:32am

Dragged up from downstairs…

Here it comes: US to withdraw from UN Human Rights Council

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley are expected to announce that the U.S. is leaving the U.N. Human Rights Council on Tuesday evening, Bloomberg News reported.

According to two people familiar with the matter who spoke with Bloomberg, the decision will be announced at the State Department at 5 p.m. and is largely based on U.S. officials’ perception that the council is biased against Israel.

‘Biased against Israel.’ Right.

I’m thinking it’s more like they want to evade international sanctions for violating human rights - like what we’re doing on the southern border right now.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:13:19am

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:13:44am

re: #1 makeitstop

Dragged up from downstairs…

Here it comes: US to withdraw from UN Human Rights Council

‘Biased against Israel.’ Right.

I’m thinking it’s more like they want to evade international sanctions for violating human rights - like what we’re doing on the southern border right now.

We had a really interesting run as sole super power and flawed standard bearer for classical liberalism.

What a time…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:14:43am
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Teukka  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:15:10am
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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:15:31am

re: #3 JordanRules

We had a really interesting run as sole super power and flawed standard bearer for classical liberalism.

What a time…

Yeah. I’d wager even Dutch Reagan is spinning in his grave today.

One by one, the lights of the Shining City on the Hill are being extinguished.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:16:00am

repeated from below

Stephen Colbert

@StephenAtHome
One thing I know for sure: no one on the right side of history has ever had to nitpick what the definition of “cage” is.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:16:05am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

How’s he going to pay this lawyer? With Iraqi dinars? He’s a broke ass.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:17:10am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

LOL He’s such a joke.
That’s really all I’ve got.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:18:40am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson Lawsuit Watch! He keeps losing these frivolous suits, but he’s at it again. Now he’s going to sue Stripe and @splcenter!

i wonder if it’s a professional lawyer

(someone had to)

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:18:49am
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:19:18am

Thread full of receipts.

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:20:07am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:21:30am

re: #7 dangerman

repeated from below

Stephen Colbert

@StephenAtHome
One thing I know for sure: no one on the right side of history has ever had to nitpick what the definition of “cage” is.

Or to explain why their policy isn’t exactly the same as the policy of Nazi Germany.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:22:13am

re: #8 Ace Rothstein

How’s he going to pay this lawyer? With Iraqi dinars? He’s a broke ass.

Grifting for dollars from the marks, I assume.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:22:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:22:39am

re: #13 Kragar

Until proven otherwise, I’m just going to assume all the migrant kids who’ve gone missing were taken by ICE employees to be used as personal slaves.

But seriously: Until they are all returned to their parents I will assume that ICE never intended to keep track of them much less return them

We must continually bring up their names and fates until they are ALL returned. Do not let the GOP escape responsibility for what it has done to innocent young people.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:23:13am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I bet he thinks that if he sues enough, someone will just pay him off. That might have worked a little while ago, but he’s now a known quantity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:23:48am

re: #16 Patricia Kayden

CORKER on family separation at the border: “What we’re doing right now is not appropriate.”

Says “this is something that the administration needs to take ownership on,” and “the administration can fix this in one minute if they choose.”

and again, even if they fix it immediately, make them own what they have done until ALL the children have been reunited.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:24:58am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:25:13am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:25:25am

re: #18 Belafon

I bet he thinks that if he sues enough, someone will just pay him off. That might have worked a little while ago, but he’s now a known quantity.

The nuisance value of a Rage Furby suit is close to zero, since you have a good chance of recovering your attorneys fees for frivolous litigation.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:26:18am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:26:30am

Hung on the last thread because y’all are moving too fast for me.

re: #546 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Does anyone have a link to the Feinstein bill?

congress.gov

The title has been shortened:

S.3036 - Keep Families Together Act

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:27:52am

re: #1 makeitstop

Dragged up from downstairs…

Here it comes: US to withdraw from UN Human Rights Council

‘Biased against Israel.’ Right.

I’m thinking it’s more like they want to evade international sanctions for violating human rights - like what we’re doing on the southern border right now.

Our assertion of the lowest moral ground continues. And yes you bet. Watch we will also opt out of certain weapons restrictions. White phosphorous, cluster munitions etc.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:28:17am

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:29:18am

re: #18 Belafon

I bet he thinks that if he sues enough, someone will just pay him off. That might have worked a little while ago, but he’s now a known quantity.

Just like Orly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:29:53am

re: #27 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Just like Orly.

Did she not finally face legal consequences for being a persistent nuisance?

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meteor  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:30:41am
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:31:04am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did she not finally face legal consequences for being a persistent nuisance?

I think she did.

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:33:20am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:34:11am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did she not finally face legal consequences for being a persistent nuisance?

She was sanctioned $20k by a US District Court Judge, but she remains an active member of the California Bar which never issued any public discipline against her.

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:34:49am

re: #30 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I think she did.

Every case she filed was thrown out and was fined $20k for frivolous claims,

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:35:22am

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But seriously: Until they are all returned to their parents I will assume that ICE never intended to keep track of them much less return them

We must continually bring up their names and fates until they are ALL returned. Do not let the GOP escape responsibility for what it has done to innocent young people.

This is such an incredible clusterfuck. How do we learn their names? It’s safe to say that none of these kids speak English. A large number of them can’t talk yet. An even larger number don’t speak Spanish!

How many scholars in the country are familiar with the dozens of languages that they do speak? How many different people would you have to collect to make sure you had all the possibilities covered?

Are you going to fly this linguistic experts group to each and every one of the dozens of internment facilities scattered all across the country? What could the kids tell you about how to find their parents even if you could talk to them? What about the ones who are too young to talk? Is their language acquisition process going to be permanently disrupted?

Insert “Endless Screaming” tweet here.

Fuck.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:35:26am
re: #16 Patricia Kayden

CORKER on family separation at the border: “What we’re doing right now is not appropriate.”

Says “this is something that the administration needs to take ownership on,” and “the administration can fix this in one minute if they choose.”

and again, even if they fix it immediately, make them own what they have done until ALL the children have been reunited.

For sure: Sen. Corker’s oh-so-heartfelt concerns strike me as being the equivalent of the equally “sincere” “thoughts and prayers” comments offered up (in lieu of substantive action) after mass shootings and the like. For all that Bob Corker is popular assumed* to be so much the “anti-Trump” Republican, he (like most of his Senate GOP colleagues) seem to vastly prefer talk to action when it comes to opposing ANY Administration initiative (even the worst).

*[Insert stock parsing of the term “assume” HERE]

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:36:38am

Signs of our humanity.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:38:34am

Thread.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:44:13am
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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:45:16am
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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:49:16am

re: #20 JordanRules

It’s a shame Mr Lieu can’t be on a national ticket

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:50:06am

During my drive in to work late this morning, it was irritating listening to MSNBC talking about Republicans who “opposed” the Trump policy or “bipartisan efforts” without their once acknowledging that the Senate Democrats were unanimous in their opposition to this treatment and they had a simple bill focused on this one policy. It is likely the Republicans are planning to sabotage efforts to help these families by including poison pills in their bills

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:50:09am

re: #37 makeitstop

Thread.

[Embedded content]

Yeah, very accurate analysis of the horrible sack of dysfunction in the White House.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:52:51am

This tweet seems to have caught on… had a bunch of wingnuts tweeting hate at me this morning for it.

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:57:51am
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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:58:18am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Just to be clear, the “loophole” Trump wants to fix would enshrine the mass detentions of families with children and obliterate a 20-year-old legal bedrock for protecting immigrant children

Reason #1 why we’re getting that UN announcement today.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:59:49am

re: #8 Ace Rothstein

How’s he going to pay this lawyer? With Iraqi dinars? He’s a broke ass.

Sugar Daddy Peter Thiel takes care of his boy toy!

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:01:03pm

re: #16 Patricia Kayden

Many Republican Senators are saying this.

None of them are DOING anything, although they could

that’s not true
orrin hatch wrote a letter

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:02:11pm

re: #6 makeitstop

One by one, the lights of the Shining City on the Hill are being extinguished.

By being pissed on.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:02:49pm

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But seriously: Until they are all returned to their parents I will assume that ICE never intended to keep track of them much less return them

We must continually bring up their names and fates until they are ALL returned. Do not let the GOP escape responsibility for what it has done to innocent young people.

Jon Sandweg, the former head of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, told NBC News that migrant parents separated from their children at the border are sometimes unable to relocate their child and remain permanently separated.

kidnapped, if you will

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:05:37pm

re: #29 meteor

gooooob morning. i am going to have. a great day. i haven’t figured out how yet. but that’s not important

would that our lives were no more complicated than a dog’s day plan

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:08:54pm

re: #35 Jay C

For sure: Sen. Corker’s oh-so-heartfelt concerns strike me as being the equivalent of the equally “sincere” “thoughts and prayers” comments offered up (in lieu of substantive action) after mass shootings and the like. For all that Bob Corker is popular assumed* to be so much the “anti-Trump” Republican, he (like most of his Senate GOP colleagues) seem to vastly prefer talk to action when it comes to opposing ANY Administration initiative (even the worst).

*[Insert stock parsing of the term “assume” HERE]

I was just thinking the same thing.

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Kilroy was here  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:09:19pm

I wonder how much Trump and pals are making from all these privately run prisons?
I’m sure he is getting a pretty good kickback for creating demand.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:10:03pm

In other news, Says Who has got another lawyer…

Cohen, according to two people with knowledge of the situation, has now hired Guy Petrillo to represent him in the ongoing criminal investigation of his business dealings in the Southern District of New York. Petrillo, a New York attorney who works with clients in criminal and civil matters prosecuted by the government, served as the chief of the criminal division in the S.D.N.Y. from 2008 to 2009. According to his Web site, Petrillo handles cases involving money laundering and fraud, along with congressional and special investigations. Neither he nor Cohen immediately responded to requests for comment.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:11:17pm

I say put the Feinstein bill to a vote. Let’s get every fucking Republican on record as being against this thing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:13:44pm

re: #34 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This is such an incredible clusterfuck. How do we learn their names? It’s safe to say that none of these kids speak English. A large number of them can’t talk yet. An even larger number don’t speak Spanish!

How many scholars in the country are familiar with the dozens of languages that they do speak? How many different people would you have to collect to make sure you had all the possibilities covered?

Are you going to fly this linguistic experts group to each and every one of the dozens of internment facilities scattered all across the country? What could the kids tell you about how to find their parents even if you could talk to them? What about the ones who are too young to talk? Is their language acquisition process going to be permanently disrupted?

Insert “Endless Screaming” tweet here.

Fuck.

This is like the military regime in Argentina or the libertarian regime in Chile.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:14:46pm
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:15:48pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:16:05pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:16:10pm
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electrotek  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:17:42pm

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

This is like the military regime in Argentina or the libertarian regime in Chile.

The Guardian

But killing the pregnant women was a crime that even Argentina’s military men - who referred to themselves in self-aggrandising speeches as defenders of “western and Christian civilisation” - couldn’t bring themselves to commit.

Instead, they kept pregnant activists alive until they gave birth, murdering them afterwards and handing their babies to childless military couples to raise as their own. It was, in a macabre sense, the military’s ultimate victory against a despised enemy they had decided to annihilate completely. It is estimated some 500 children were born under these circumstances.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:17:56pm

then he’s gonna shut down the government over “the wall” and these family separation a month before the midterms

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:21:13pm

re: #57 dangerman

and

Trump Administration Lying About Separation Policy

Breaking: Water is wet!

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:21:46pm

re: #61 dangerman

then he’s gonna shut down the government over “the wall” and these family separation a month before the midterms

Which will only make it worse for Republicans. Shutdowns have not helped them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:21:49pm

re: #61 dangerman

then he’s gonna shut down the government over “the wall” and these family separation a month before the midterms

We can only hope he will be that stupid. That would ensure a blue tsunami.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:22:21pm

re: #59 Patricia Kayden

Jews were said to ‘infest’ Germany, and were called an, “illegal people”.

This morning Trump said that Democrats want immigrants to ‘infest our country’.

Remember in history class when you’d ask, “why the heck do we need to study history?”

THIS IS WHY!!!!

never again is happening right now

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:22:41pm

Trump hugging the flag, eh?

I guess he is down to using all his old tricks that got him elected.

He knows anything he has done since election will not be enough to keep him around. So, it’s back to the stupid optics tricks.

Let’s make the flag, the people of the U.S. and not a piece of cloth, kick his ass hard by taking down the GOP majority and then Trump.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:23:50pm

re: #62 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Breaking: Water is wet!

Washington Post: “Our analysis finds the doublespeak coming from President Trump and top administration officials on this issue is breathtaking, not only because of the sheer audacity of these claims but also because they keep being repeated without evidence.”

“Immigrant families are being separated at the border not because of Democrats and not because some law forces this result, as Trump insists. They’re being separated because the Trump administration, under its zero-tolerance policy, is choosing to prosecute border-crossing adults for any offenses.”

they havent quite said lie lie lie
its close

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:24:03pm

re: #39 Kragar

The “why aren’t they using legal entry points” is yet another canard for conservatives who don’t want to take responsibility for their choices.

An asylum claim can be made anywhere on the border, and up to one year after entry.

Don’t fall for the whataboutism, correct it. You might not convince the original poster, but others will see it and perhaps they can learn.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:24:05pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

Sugar Daddy Peter Thiel takes care of his boy toy!

You made me throw up in my mouth.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:24:05pm

re: #63 Belafon

Which will only make it worse for Republicans. Shutdowns have not helped them.

Well, they’ve never tried having the government shut down for election day. What happens then?

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:24:08pm

re: #63 Belafon

Which will only make it worse for Republicans. Shutdowns have not helped them.

exacto

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:24:21pm
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:25:44pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

The “why aren’t they using legal entry points” is yet another canard for conservatives who don’t want to take responsibility for their choices.

An asylum claim can be made anywhere on the border, and up to one year after entry.

Don’t fall for the whataboutism, correct it. You might not convince the original poster, but others will see it and perhaps they can learn.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:26:46pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:27:06pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Trump hugging the flag, eh?

I guess he is down to using all his old tricks that got him elected.

He knows anything he has done since election will not be enough to keep him around. SO, it’s back to the stupid optics tricks.

Let’s make the flag, the people of the U.S. and not a piece of cloth, kick his ass hard by taking down the GOP majority and then Trump.

Finally we have a president who loves America MAGA and wears flag pins not like Muslim president Obama always apologizing for America and wanting to meet with dictators which is oK when Drumpf does it.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:27:06pm

re: #70 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, they’ve never tried having the government shut down for election day. What happens then?

whether the elections come off?
they still will. they are run by states and counties not the feds

whether it would influence the election?
hell yes

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:27:17pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

CSPAN

@cspan
President Trump hugs America flag after his remarks @NFIB #NFIB75.

First comment:

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electrotek  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:27:39pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Funny how that doesn’t apply to Yezidis or Iraqi Christians fleeing Da’esh for these wingnuts.

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:27:57pm

re: #65 dangerman

never again is happening right now

This is a continuation. Trump is out to beat the ‘deporter in chief.’ Nobody deported more people (yet) than Obama. He thought he had to do it to get a deal for the Dreamers. Hadn’t nailed it down before he was out. Now we have somebody trying to outdo him, with none of the finesse.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:28:17pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“The millions of dollars in previously unreported, all-cash real estate deals we discovered raise troubling questions about who is funding [the President’s] businesses, why, and what they’re getting in return.” mcclatchydc.com

pre election - crickets

now?…..

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:28:22pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

It’s a civil infraction you unoriginal witch and applying for asylum isn’t illegal. FO and actually educate yourself rather than spouting off bs.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:29:06pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

Let’s break this down: you come here ILLEGALLY, you drag your kids over here ILLEGALLY then we are supposed to drop everything and tend to your “family unit?!” No. You choose to come here ILLEGALLY there are consequences. No red carpet for you.

— Tomi Lahren

Actually, we’re making more work for ourselves by separating the adults from the children.

Gosh the wingnuts be stupid these days.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:30:32pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

Let’s break this down: you come here ILLEGALLY, you drag your kids over here ILLEGALLY then we are supposed to drop everything and tend to your “family unit?!” No. You choose to come here ILLEGALLY there are consequences. No red carpet for you.

let’s break this down: Asylum seekers are not ‘here illegally’.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:31:26pm

re: #82 Sir John Barron

Actually, we’re making more work for ourselves by separating the adults from the children.

Gosh the wingnuts be stupid these days.

They don’t care; applying the principles of the 14 words is important to them no matter how much work it takes.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:34:46pm

re: #83 dangerman

let’s break this down: Asylum seekers are not ‘here illegally’.

Did I hear Trump in one of today’s videos call what the immigrants are doing a “federal crime?”

Everyone says it is a misdemeanor…do federal crimes carry a level that is considered a misdemeanor?

I guess what Trump is doing by calling it a federal crime is just to blow it up more and make it sound oh-so-serious.

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danarchy  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:36:11pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

The “why aren’t they using legal entry points” is yet another canard for conservatives who don’t want to take responsibility for their choices.

An asylum claim can be made anywhere on the border, and up to one year after entry.

Don’t fall for the whataboutism, correct it. You might not convince the original poster, but others will see it and perhaps they can learn.

They are splitting hairs. Crossing the border anywhere that isn’t a port of entry is illegal. It doesn’t matter if you are undocumented, asylum seeking, or a US citizen. Even if you are seeking asylum it is still illegal to cross and if they choose to prosecute you may get a fine and a few days in jail after which you could pursue your asylum claim.

The difference now is that the administration is choosing to prosecute every instance of illegal crossing as stupid and counterproductive as that may be.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:39:16pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Did I hear Trump in one of today’s videos call what the immigrants are doing a “federal crime?”

Everyone says it is a misdemeanor…do federal crimes carry a level that is considered a misdemeanor?

I guess what Trump is doing by calling it a federal crime is just to blow it up more and make it sound oh-so-serious.

Some federal crimes are misdemeanors, some are felonies. General/common law rule is a misdemeanor is a crime that carries less than a year in prison, where felonies carry more. There’s also a dollar cut off on fines, I want to say $10k, but it’s been a while.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:39:51pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Did I hear Trump in one of today’s videos call what the immigrants are doing a “federal crime?”

Everyone says it is a misdemeanor…do federal crimes carry a level that is considered a misdemeanor?

I guess what Trump is doing by calling it a federal crime is just to blow it up more and make it sound oh-so-serious.

It’s not a crime, it’s not even a misdemeanor. Illegal entry is a civil infraction, akin to receiving a traffic ticket. This is an important distinction because only criminal court proceedings trigger the Sixth Amendment right to counsel.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:40:14pm

re: #87 KGxvi

Added, here’s the federal code section defining felonies and misdemeanors.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:40:40pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

It’s a civil infraction you unoriginal witch and applying for asylum isn’t illegal. FO and actually educate yourself rather than spouting off bs.

She (and every other conservative talking head) may very well know asylum claims are legal.

They are trying to convince their viewers and follower such claims are not.

Conservatism is about gaining or maintaining power. If the best way to achieve that is endlessly lying, then that’s what they’ll do.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:41:17pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Did I hear Trump in one of today’s videos call what the immigrants are doing a “federal crime?”

Everyone says it is a misdemeanor…do federal crimes carry a level that is considered a misdemeanor?

I guess what Trump is doing by calling it a federal crime is just to blow it up more and make it sound oh-so-serious.

Yes, there are federal misdemeanors, and entering the US illegally is one of them. Of course as we know, the Border Patrol is barring asylum seekers from entering at Ports of Entry in order to force them to enter illegally so that they can be arrested and their children taken.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:42:26pm
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:42:38pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

She (and every other conservative talking head) may very well know asylum claims are legal.

They are trying to convince their viewers and follower such claims are not.

Conservatism is about gaining or maintaining power. If the best way to achieve that is endlessly lying, then that’s what they’ll do.

Are you deliberately lying or actually this stupid?

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:44:59pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

It’s not a crime, it’s not even a misdemeanor. Illegal entry is a civil infraction, akin to receiving a traffic ticket. This is an important distinction because only criminal court proceedings trigger the Sixth Amendment right to counsel.

It is a misdemeanor, but the law also allows for a civil penalty. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to imprison someone for six months if they haven’t committed some other crime, so the government usually just goes the civil route.

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:45:15pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

The “why aren’t they using legal entry points” is yet another canard for conservatives who don’t want to take responsibility for their choices.

An asylum claim can be made anywhere on the border, and up to one year after entry.

Don’t fall for the whataboutism, correct it. You might not convince the original poster, but others will see it and perhaps they can learn.

I could really use a legal citation for the bolded part Thanks to anyone who can provide one. International law?

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:45:44pm

Man In The Hoodie has a pretty cool thread going on right now…

Ask Brad! HAHAHAHA

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:45:47pm

re: #87 KGxvi

Some federal crimes are misdemeanors, some are felonies. General/common law rule is a misdemeanor is a crime that carries less than a year in prison, where felonies carry more. There’s also a dollar cut off on fines, I want to say $10k, but it’s been a while.

Right but even misdemeanors trigger the right to a jury trial and representation of counsel. Deportation hearings do not because they are conducted under civil law. The Supremes confirmed this in Fong Yue Ting v. United States:

The proceeding before a United States judge, as provided for in section 6 of the act of 1892, is in no proper sense a trial and sentence for a crime or offense. It is simply the ascertainment, by appropriate and lawful means, of the fact whether the conditions exist upon which Congress has enacted that an alien of this class may remain within the country. The order of deportation is not a punishment for crime. It is not a banishment, in the sense in which that word is often applied to the expulsion of a citizen from his country by way of punishment. It is but a method of enforcing the return to his own country of an alien who has not complied with the conditions upon the performance of which the Government of the nation, acting within its constitutional authority, and through the proper departments, has determined that his continuing to reside here shall depend. He has not, therefore, been deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, and the provisions of the Constitution securing the right of trial by jury and prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures and cruel and unusual punishments have no application.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:45:54pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Did I hear Trump in one of today’s videos call what the immigrants are doing a “federal crime?”

Everyone says it is a misdemeanor…do federal crimes carry a level that is considered a misdemeanor?

I guess what Trump is doing by calling it a federal crime is just to blow it up more and make it sound oh-so-serious.

Seeking asylum is not a crime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:46:05pm

re: #87 KGxvi

Some federal crimes are misdemeanors, some are felonies. General/common law rule is a misdemeanor is a crime that carries less than a year in prison, where felonies carry more. There’s also a dollar cut off on fines, I want to say $10k, but it’s been a while.

there whole line of argument is based on ignorance of these nuances.

or the fact that minors might be here illegally but are not criminals in the sense of the law

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:47:49pm

In local weird news:

I just went to the Post Office. Next to the park is a van parked with a couple people sleeping inside.

That’s not the strange part, because a lot of travelers do that here. What’s weird is it has on it “Traveling East to Get West” and German license plates.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:48:03pm

Damn, that Sarah Kendzior/Casey Mitchell tweet thread is damn disturbing about how “religion” is the Russian connection to what happened with Trump in 2016 and how they have set it up and been working on it since ‘95.

Classic Russian patience at America’s expense.

Now we know why the Evangelicals are so deep into Trump and ready to protect him at all costs.

I hope somehow this whole “process” becomes more well known.

The tie in to Pence through Manafort makes more sense now than it originally did.

Pence needs to go down. He isn’t a religious man, he’s a power hungry fascist.

In case anyone wants to go to these two links to read up having maybe missed it earlier.

Sarah Kendzior’s tweet link to Casey Michel thread on it all

Think Progress - Russians and the American right started plotting in 1995. We have the notes from the first meeting.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:48:35pm

Senator David Perdue got agitated because he wanted to talk about the “#1 crisis in America”, the national debt, which he voted to exacerbate, and the only questions they were getting at a press conference were about family separation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:49:54pm

re: #102 Big Beautiful Door

Senator David Perdue got agitated because he wanted to talk about the “#1 crisis in America”, the national debt, which he voted to exacerbate, and the only questions they were getting at a press conference were about family separation.

that should be the only question raised until the families are reunited

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:50:09pm

re: #47 dangerman

that’s not true
orrin hatch wrote a letter

A very strongly worded, powerful, super duper letter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:50:25pm

re: #10 dangerman

i wonder if it’s a professional lawyer

(someone had to)

that would be a novel approach for him since he hasn’t tried that yet…

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:52:31pm

re: #86 danarchy

They are splitting hairs. Crossing the border anywhere that isn’t a port of entry is illegal. It doesn’t matter if you are undocumented, asylum seeking, or a US citizen. Even if you are seeking asylum it is still illegal to cross and if they choose to prosecute you may get a fine and a few days in jail after which you could pursue your asylum claim.

The difference now is that the administration is choosing to prosecute every instance of illegal crossing as stupid and counterproductive as that may be.

That is what I yesterday called Nielsen’s dancing on a pinhead explanation for why it isn’t policy to separate families. Do it “legally” and there is no policy.

Do it “criminally” and you are treated as a criminal and the separation occurs.

Add in the trick that many can’t use the border crossing point to do it legally and more and more get to be labeled criminal.

Pretty sure now who the real criminals are. Trump, Nielsen, Sessions, Miller, etc.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:52:35pm

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that should be the only question raised until the families are reunited

Many never will be. The parents have already been deported and the kids are God only knows where.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:57:23pm
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Jay C  Jun 19, 2018 • 12:59:24pm

re: #104 Patricia Kayden

re: #47 dangerman

that’s not true
orrin hatch wrote a letter

A very strongly worded, powerful, super duper letter.

That obviously didn’t work very well, so I guess he’ll have to move up a step and escalate his tactics.

He’ll write a STERN letter.
Very stern.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:00:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:02:06pm

re: #92 MsJ

Smells like an “op” from a site like 4chan or 8chan.

I briefly went into 4chan/pol (I wiped my feet before returning). It is a Dumpster fire of antisemitism, racism, claims of wanting to do things like shoot everyone at the Mexican border, calling white women in mixed-race relationships “race traitors.”

I can see how someone could easily be radicalised into a Nazi or terrorist on that site.

I’m not sure how you could shut it down unless you could prove it was promoting crime.

4chan is a huge site. It also makes me wonder who is actually funding it.

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danarchy  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:02:47pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

That is what I yesterday called Nielsen’s dancing on a pinhead explanation for why it isn’t policy to separate families. Do it “legally” and there is no policy.

Do it “criminally” and you are treated as a criminal and the separation occurs.

Add in the trick that many can’t use the border crossing point to do it legally and more and more get to be labeled criminal.

Pretty sure now who the real criminals are. Trump, Nielsen, Sessions, Miller, etc.

The biggest problem is with the backlog of cases what should be a night or 2 in jail turns into a month or two.

I read a story about how judges on the border are taking cases 100 at a time and just passing a sentence of time served and releasing people and still aren’t able to dent the backlog.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:06:00pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

re: #110 Single-handed sailor

I’m just wondering: when we see reports of “all-cash real estate sales” wrt to Trump properties, are these the normal RE business definition of “cash sales” (i.e. the purchase price paid in full all at once w/ no financing), or are they “CASH sales”, briefcases suitcases duffel bags full of bundled Benjamins or 500-euro notes?

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:06:08pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

I’m not sure that’s good law. That case involved the Chinese Exclusion Act, which is very much no longer the law. Current law describes unlawful entry as a misdemeanor. But there is a parallel civil tract. Unfortunately, most all of these cases proceed as administrative proceedings, which are quasi-judicial at best under the Administrative Proceedings Act.

And truth be told, therein lies the real problem.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:06:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:09:08pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

Apparently the only thing wrong with Hillary Clinton’s statement about a “vast right-wing conspiracy” was she didn’t know it was so vast that conservatives had already started working to sell out their country for power.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:16:54pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

Apparently the only thing wrong with Hillary Clinton’s statement about a “vast right-wing conspiracy” was she didn’t know it was so vast that conservatives had already started working to sell out their country for power.

Yeah, the timing that it just happened to be set up during Big Bill’s time is telling in it’s own way.

I’m thinking the GOP was in panic knowing that what Clinton did to become popular could very easily be what the Democrats would do into the future thus cutting the Republicans out of the presidency.

So, instead of changing their own politics, they did the dirty deeds. I guess they knew themselves really well. They knew they were incapable of decent politics and playing it straight.

DEPLORABLES!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:18:13pm

re: #113 Jay C

I’m just wondering: when we see reports of “all-cash real estate sales” wrt to Trump properties, are these the normal RE business definition of “cash sales” (i.e. the purchase price paid in full all at once w/ no financing), or are they “CASH sales”, briefcases suitcases duffel bags full of bundled Benjamins or 500-euro notes?

When my wife and I bought our house, we bought it as an “all cash sale” (a personal cheque).

That said, as it was over $10,000 it would have been properly reported to the IRS by the bank when the cheque went through.

I’m guessing that’s not how Trump did it. Those pesky tax returns would sure be nice.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:21:43pm
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:25:08pm

re: #113 Jay C

I’m just wondering: when we see reports of “all-cash real estate sales” wrt to Trump properties, are these the normal RE business definition of “cash sales” (i.e. the purchase price paid in full all at once w/ no financing), or are they “CASH sales”, briefcases suitcases duffel bags full of bundled Benjamins or 500-euro notes?

i’d guess it’s the former - no financing
else getting all that cash deposited and reported would be an absolute nightmare - not to mention audit trail of likely naughty behavior

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:27:27pm
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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:28:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:29:50pm

I just got my copy of The Economist in the mail. Banner across the cover:

Kim-Jong Won.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:30:36pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I await the #scuffedshoestruther movement.

///

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:32:28pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

DJT’s claim sounds like something he jumbled together from three or four different stories on wingnut media and tried to paste into one nonsensical allegation.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:33:12pm

re: #124 Sir John Barron

I await the #scuffedshoestruther movement.

///

Next of Faux: Canadian smuggler admits to scuffing shoes.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:33:45pm
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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:34:12pm

go go make trump kittens again gadget: Stephen Miller

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nines09  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:34:47pm

Digging around my old CD’s and I almost forgot about this guy. David Hole. Aussie. Under appreciated. Enjoy.

DAVE HOLE - TakeMe To Chicago

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:36:00pm

re: #125 Sir John Barron

DJT’s claim sounds like something he jumbled together from three or four different stories on wingnut media and tried to paste into one nonsensical allegation.

A bullshitter always gets in the most trouble when he runs into someone that actually knows about his current topic of bullshit. He’s always been a bullshitter on trade, people who know how trade actually works know that the more free the trade, the better (on balance) it will be for consumers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:36:24pm

State Dept ‘Summer Family Travel’ Livechat Is NEXT-LEVEL Fuckup. Surprise! (Wonkette)

That Faceborg live chat was supposed to be at 10am EDT. Tips for obtaining passports, traveling with family, &c.

At the appointed time, no one from the State Department.

How can people be THIS BAD at their jobs?!?!? Did the State Department’s social media team really schedule a live discussion of “traveling with kids” while the media is showing babies snatched at the border and imprisoned in cages?

Sadly, Carl and Kim were unavailable between 10 and 11 this morning. Were they washing their hair at the appointed hour? Did they just forget to show up and share their insights on not having your kids snatched by the government while crossing international borders?

Who the hell is in charge of social media at State anyway?

Oh, right.

One of Tillerson’s best hires!

Did we predict that hiring former Fox loon Heather Nauert as State Department Spokesliar would be a debacle? WE DID. But who could have anticipated this kind of next level fuck up?

(more)

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:42:28pm

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

State Dept ‘Summer Family Travel’ Livechat Is NEXT-LEVEL Fuckup. Surprise! (Wonkette)

That Faceborg live chat was supposed to be at 10am EDT. Tips for obtaining passports, traveling with family, &c.

At the appointed time, no one from the State Department.

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When I went to the Post Office yesterday on passport business, I had to wait for those who were at the counter getting a passport for their daughter in the baby carrier. She was SOOOOO cute! Overcame all my nervousness at my paperwork, but not my sadness for all the others who couldn’t get one.

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:45:49pm
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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:47:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:48:11pm

re: #133 Kragar

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Scumbag.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:50:19pm

re: #134 Kragar

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Another great find by Mitt Romney.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:50:20pm

re: #134 Kragar

The judge ordering you to CLE is generally… not a good look.

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:50:30pm

re: #134 Kragar

[A judge decisively declared Kris Kobach’s pet voter-ID law unconstitutional, then ordered him to take some continuing legal education classes because he kept ignoring the basic rules of evidence and discovery during the proceedings in her court ]

Homework! They should have put him in detention so they could watch him do it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:52:38pm

BAN THE NAZIS & STALKERS

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:56:32pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

When I went to the Post Office yesterday on passport business, I had to wait for those who were at the counter getting a passport for their daughter in the baby carrier. She was SOOOOO cute! Overcame all my nervousness at my paperwork, but not my sadness for all the others who couldn’t get one.

We can’t get a passport at the Post Office here. We have to go to the county courthouse.

When my wife and I applied for passports, the county clerk was flummoxed, because she’d never had anyone apply for one before.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:56:46pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

BAN THE NAZIS & STALKERS

“When we said ‘everything’, we didn’t really mean that.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 1:59:14pm

re: #133 Kragar

Trump doubles down on family separation: “You have to take the children away” to prosecute their parents.

— Caroline O.

Old Testament preachers across the land rejoice over instituting “punishing the children for the sins of their parents.”

That sounds more like a Pence idea than a Miller one.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:00:41pm

re: #129 nines09

Digging around my old CD’s and I almost forgot about this guy. David Hole. Aussie. Under appreciated. Enjoy.

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Video

That ancient Bassman, what a sound.

I had one of those when I was a kid. Rode it too hard one night and it literally caught fire.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:01:22pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

Old Testament preachers across the land rejoice over instituting “punishing the children for the sins of their parents.”

That sounds more like a Pence idea than a Miller one.

Little of both tbh.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:07:08pm
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:08:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:10:23pm
In response to questions we want to be clear: Microsoft is not working with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement or U.S. Customs and Border Protection on any projects related to separating children from their families at the border, and contrary to some speculation, we are not aware of Azure or Azure services being used for this purpose. As a company, Microsoft is dismayed by the forcible separation of children from their families at the border. Family unification has been a fundamental tenet of American policy and law since the end of World War II. As a company Microsoft has worked for over 20 years to combine technology with the rule of law to ensure that children who are refugees and immigrants can remain with their parents. We need to continue to build on this noble tradition rather than change course now. We urge the administration to change its policy and Congress to pass legislation ensuring children are no longer separated from their families.

techcrunch.com

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:10:25pm
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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:10:33pm

re: #146 JordanRules

Up to 9 governors pulling National Guard from border deployments

I’ll bet every one of them was happy to get away from that make-work bullshit.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:10:56pm

re: #146 JordanRules

This is why states rights — which conservatives used to champion before this presidency — matter deeply in the American system

“Look, state’s rights matter except when they don’t, OK?”

/

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:11:43pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:11:59pm

re: #148 JordanRules

Amazing this one FBI agent managed to destroy the DJT campaign with his bias and conspiracies, except no I guess he didn’t.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:12:32pm

re: #146 JordanRules

So what happens now? Does DJT deploy the Space Force?

/

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:15:15pm

re: #151 JordanRules

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:17:56pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:18:17pm
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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:18:56pm

re: #150 Sir John Barron

“Look, state’s rights matter except when they don’t, OK?”

/

states rights only matter when they’re being used against those people… you know… them!

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:21:30pm
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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:23:11pm

The news alert just came over my phone - we’re no longer part of the UN Human Rights Council.

So…we’re a rogue nation now, yeah?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:23:53pm

re: #156 Single-handed sailor

I have a trade deficit in the county seat with the hardware store, the grocery store, the butcher shop, all of the restaurants, &c. I have one here with the general store, the Post Office, even the gun shop.

What is it about conservatives (not just Trump) who think a trade deficit is somehow horrible? I suppose in some abstract sense if you’re buying more from abroad than from the USA, that’s creating more jobs abroad than here.

The solution to that would be to tighten up ways corporations can move to less-regulated areas where they can exploit workers for lower wages and less safety.

It’s another BS talking point conservatives have been using all my life. They don’t want to employ the solution, they just want to scare their voters to the polls (China’s coming for your JERBS!!!1!!2!!eleventy!!)

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:24:30pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:24:56pm

re: #122 Kragar

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If you are a Jew, and a high-profile Jew at that, and David Duke still likes you, you are doing something way the fuck wrong.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:25:03pm

re: #159 makeitstop

The news alert just came over my phone - we’re no longer part of the UN Human Rights Council.

So…we’re a rogue nation now, yeah?

And that means we no longer have input on what the UN Human Rights Commission does.

Most of what it does our nation helped set up.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:26:07pm

re: #159 makeitstop

The news alert just came over my phone - we’re no longer part of the UN Human Rights Council.

So…we’re a rogue nation now, yeah?

The Human Rights Council has always had problems (like letting human rights violators sit on it) but our presence there has always been an important point of leadership. Because despite our own failings, we have been one of the better advocates for human rights in the post WWII era.

We’re not a rogue nation… yet… not as long as we have a permanent seat on the Security Council.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:26:23pm

re: #156 Single-handed sailor

Of course: this is precisely how he views international trade and the global economy: it feeds into his fundamental “appeal” to the Deplorables. How many of his speeches on the subject almost invariable veer off into extended bitching tirades about how “unfair” almost everybody else on the planet is to American trade? [SPOILER: all of them] He never offers much in the way of alternatives, outside of punitive tariffs: but then, that’s the “Trump base”: big cheers for “tough” actions, little/no thought to consequences.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:26:29pm
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:26:55pm

re: #159 makeitstop

The news alert just came over my phone - we’re no longer part of the UN Human Rights Council.

So…we’re a rogue nation now, yeah?

Yeah. We were recently downgraded as a democracy too weren’t we?
Rogue, failing democracy.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:28:24pm

re: #160 Anymouse 🌹

I have a trade deficit in the county seat with the hardware store, the grocery store, the butcher shop, all of the restaurants, &c. I have one here with the general store, the Post Office, even the gun shop.

What is it about conservatives (not just Trump) who think a trade deficit is somehow horrible? I suppose in some abstract sense if you’re buying more from abroad than from the USA, that’s creating more jobs abroad than here.

The solution to that would be to tighten up ways corporations can move to less-regulated areas where they can exploit workers for lower wages and less safety.

It’s another BS talking point conservatives have been using all my life. They don’t want to employ the solution, they just want to scare their voters to the polls (China’s coming for your JERBS!!!1!!2!!eleventy!!)

It’s creating more jobs in other countries. But it’s not really costing us jobs here. The types of jobs change, but given that we now have more jobs than people in the work force, it’s not a necessarily a bad thing.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:28:40pm

re: #153 Sir John Barron

So what happens now? Does DJT deploy the Space Force?

/

“Nuke them from orbit. It’s the only way.”

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:29:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:31:51pm

Amazing how fast a conservative voter can change his mind when his handlers give him his talking points.

In 2014, they were all denying there were any unaccompanied children at the border. The conservaderp leeched into sane conversation to where my own wife bought into that idea.

Now, they are using the unaccompanied minors and the 2015 court case about them to “whatabout Obama?” It’s almost as if the whole conservative electorate flipped on a dime. IngSoc is already here rewriting history in real time.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:32:44pm
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:34:11pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:34:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:34:41pm

re: #173 JordanRules

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Bannon is poison.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:35:29pm

re: #170 JordanRules

Seriously considering going to the NOLA march since neither MS or AL have any in my area.

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nines09  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:37:02pm

re: #143 makeitstop

That ancient Bassman, what a sound.

I had one of those when I was a kid. Rode it too hard one night and it literally caught fire.

The pure joy that washed across the first guitarists face that realized the Bassman was a killer guitar amp.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:38:14pm

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo to file lawsuit against the Trump maladministration tomorrow over Constitutional violations of rights over refugees and migrants at the Mexican border.

axios.com

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday that the state intends to file a “multi-agency lawsuit” against the Trump administration “for violating the Constitutional rights of immigrant children and their families who have been separated at the border.”

Why it matters: Despite the intense backlash to the policy, this is the first indication of a lawsuit intended to force the administration’s hand in ending what Cuomo calls “a moral failing and a human tragedy.” The governor adds that the goal of the suit is to “protect the health and well-being” of children identified as being held in federal facilities across the state.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:42:51pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

We’ll be withdrawing from the UN before the midterms to excite Trump’s base and get them to vote.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:45:01pm

re: #179 Winston_Smith

We’ll be withdrawing from the UN before the midterms to excite Trump’s base and get them to vote.

Conservatives have been after that goal all my life as well.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:45:46pm

re: #179 Winston_Smith

We’ll be withdrawing from the UN before the midterms to excite Trump’s base and get them to vote.

I say he decriminalizeses weed as part of his re-election bid.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:45:52pm

Trump enjoys the cruelty with which these immigrants are treated.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:46:28pm

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump enjoys the cruelty with which these immigrants are treated.

He really does.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:47:15pm

Trump Cultists Accuse their Enemies of Things They are Actually Doing, part 11,739:

A Top Trump Aide Worked In Libya With Key Backers Of An Alleged “Sex Cult”

Joseph Whitehouse Hagin, President Donald Trump’s deputy chief of staff for operations, has a reputation for being the experienced, steady hand amid the chaos in the White House. The 62-year-old Republican has been a Washington insider for almost four decades, operating largely behind the scenes as the ultimate gray man.

But Hagin put his dreary political life on pause during the Obama years for the world of international influence peddling. That business, the kind of money-soaked dealing Trump lacerated during his presidential campaign, made Hagin and a company he cofounded millions of dollars. It also brought Hagin a lucrative client: an aspiring Libyan expatriate politician with deep pockets and troubling relationships, according to five sources who spoke with BuzzFeed News.

[…]

Basit Igtet, the Libyan client, was an exile eyeing a triumphant comeback at the dawn of the Arab Spring. Hagin and his firm worked with Igtet from 2011 until at least 2013: First, Hagin would help him build support for the rebel government that toppled Muammar al-Qaddafi, and later he and his colleagues would run an international treasure hunt to try to recover Libya’s stolen billions in exchange for a massive payoff for his firm, according to three sources.

Igtet, however, had other interests outside recovering Libyan riches, including one at the center of a major sex-trafficking case. Igtet was deeply involved in NXIVM, the celebrity “sex cult” whose leadership is now under federal indictment, two sources said. Igtet proselytized for the group, BuzzFeed News has learned, while his wife, the heir Sara Bronfman, reportedly kept the cult afloat with tens of millions of dollars.

And in 2013 — as Hagin’s future boss was railing against the Obama administration over the 2012 terrorist attack on the US embassy in Benghazi that killed a US ambassador — Igtet met with the man the US believed to be the mastermind of the attack, who has since been convicted on terrorism charges.

But Hagin’s firm, seeing the chance to reap millions, viewed Igtet as a golden goose and continued to work with the couple even as their associations with NXIVM became increasingly public.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:48:30pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:48:50pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

The Boston Globe

@BostonGlobe
Trump envoy Nikki Haley says the United States is withdrawing from the United Nations Human Rights Council, calling it “not worthy of its name.”

What, the United States?

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:50:12pm

re: #186 stpaulbear

What, the United States?

Yeah, pretty much.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:50:49pm

White House deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin is resigning

He led the U.S. advance team for President Trump’s summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:51:48pm

re: #188 dangerman

White House deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin is resigning

He led the U.S. advance team for President Trump’s summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore

Probably having to do with the Buzzfeed story I posted just now.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:54:31pm

re: #189 makeitstop

Probably having to do with the Buzzfeed story I posted just now.

Right
I saw joseph Whitehouse and didn’t see hagin

Joseph whitehouse Hagin?. Really?

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:57:45pm

Former Border Patrol Agent To Current Agents: Refuse Orders To Separate Children

There’s no excuse for these agents to not literally lay down their guns and badges and say that this is unlawful

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:58:22pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

We should write a letter declaring that most of us don’t withdraw.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:58:33pm

re: #184 makeitstop

Trump Cultists Accuse their Enemies of Things They are Actually Doing, part 11,739:

A Top Trump Aide Worked In Libya With Key Backers Of An Alleged “Sex Cult”

Wow. This guy goes all the way back to working for Ronald Reagan. Why am I not surprised here.

“Trump cultists” aren’t the only ones who accuse their enemies of what they’re doing, I have yet to see a conservative in my life that didn’t do that.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:58:51pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:59:10pm

re: #161 JordanRules

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 2:59:42pm

re: #191 dangerman

Former Border Patrol Agent To Current Agents: Refuse Orders To Separate Children

Convince me racism ISN’T rampant in ICE/CBP.

That’s the problem here.

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:00:17pm

re: #173 JordanRules

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:03:29pm

Cheers!

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:04:24pm

re: #198 JordanRules

Cheers!

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:05:17pm

re: #181 Dave In Austin

I say he decriminalizeses weed as part of his re-election bid.

I doubt Sessions will allow that devil weed to be legalized.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:06:55pm

re: #195 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:07:25pm

re: #200 MsJ

I doubt Sessions will allow that devil weed to be legalized.

Well if he’s gonna run in ‘immigration’ and shutting down the govt in October the trifecta would be to gut Medicare/Medicaid/soc sec

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:09:25pm

re: #151 JordanRules

I’d be there if it weren’t for that “just back from the hospital” business. Sigh. Maybe next week, if this is still going on (likely).

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:09:50pm
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The Major  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:10:13pm

Hmmmm….now this is a thought:
CBC: Drug patents could be Canada’s special weapon in U.S. trade dispute
Taking an ‘asymmetrical’ approach and targeting U.S. intellectual property has worked in the past, experts say

“An eye for an eye won’t work when one side is small and the other is large,” he said. “When you’re David and the other guy is Goliath, and you go after him or her symmetrically, you are not necessarily going to produce the outcome you want. What you must do, therefore, is retaliate asymmetrically.”

And so Attaran is suggesting that Canada take aim at U.S. drug patents.

The U.S. holds more pharmaceutical patents and other intellectual property licences than any other country. But that strength could become a vulnerability if Canada took action to suspend American patents on Canadian soil. Canadian companies would then be able to produce those drugs.

“If you want to go there, Washington, and start behaving in a pre-NAFTA, pre-free trade way, as by imposing tariffs, well, then we’re also going to behave in a pre-free trade way, as by taking your patents,” Attaran said.

There’s already evidence that a threat of an intellectual property trade war might be an effective strategy.

In 2010, Brazil threatened to ignore U.S. patent and intellectual property rights in the midst of a dispute over U.S. cotton subsidies. Before Brazil took action, the U.S. backed down.

Gold said the U.S. was afraid Brazil would give other countries the same idea.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:11:27pm

re: #185 JordanRules

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Portman is another NRA stooge. Why the gun-free zone policy for his office? Doesn’t he know guns don’t kill people, but people kill people?

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:12:53pm

re: #114 KGxvi

I’m not sure that’s good law. That case involved the Chinese Exclusion Act, which is very much no longer the law. Current law describes unlawful entry as a misdemeanor. But there is a parallel civil tract. Unfortunately, most all of these cases proceed as administrative proceedings, which are quasi-judicial at best under the Administrative Proceedings Act.

And truth be told, therein lies the real problem.

That’s a feature not a bug. The last thing the federal government wants to deal with is the costs and headaches of having to adhere to all the constitutional rules surrounding actual criminal court proceedings. Trumpers want to have their cake and eat it too, to label undocumented immigrants as criminals without actually having to treat them as accused criminals under the law.

Also, the Chinese Exclusion Act may no longer be the law but the precedent set in Fong defining deportation as not being a criminal punishment is still very much in force. It’s central to the budgetary feasibility of our entire immigration enforcement system.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:14:45pm

re: #184 makeitstop

Trump Cultists Accuse their Enemies of Things They are Actually Doing, part 11,739:

A Top Trump Aide Worked In Libya With Key Backers Of An Alleged “Sex Cult”

More on NXIVM:

NXIVM (/ˈnɛksiəm/ NEKS-ee-əm) is an Albany-based multi-level marketing company that offers personal and professional development seminars through its “Executive Success Programs”. NXIVM has been labeled as a pyramid scheme, and a report for the Ross Institute described its seminars as “expensive brainwashing”.

NXIVM has also been accused of being a recruiting platform for a cult operating within it (variously called “DOS” or “The Vow”) in which women were forced into sexual slavery and branded. In early 2018, NXIVM founder Keith Raniere and associate Allison Mack were arrested and indicted on federal charges related to DOS, including sex trafficking. A trial has been scheduled for October 2018.

Worth noting that sacked Abu Ghraib warden Janis Karpinsky ran a very similar “executive training” operation.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:15:50pm

re: #203 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’d be there if it weren’t for that “just back from the hospital” business. Sigh. Maybe next week, if this is still going on (likely).

You gotta take care of yourself first. We’ll need you nice and recovered as the fight of our lives continues!

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:20:38pm

Keep seeing on Twitter that Rosenstein is gone come Friday. Then Sessions.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:22:59pm

Thread and 2 interesting comment threads within…

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:23:43pm

re: #210 MsJ

Keep seeing on Twitter that Rosenstein is gone come Friday. Then Sessions.

Then Pence, then Trump.

I can put it on twitter if that will make it so.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:25:31pm

re: #210 MsJ

Keep seeing on Twitter that Rosenstein is gone come Friday. Then Sessions.

Rosenstein is based on speculation about an arbitrary GOP deadline.

Sessions speculation seems to bubble up once a month or so to keep everyone on their abused toes.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:27:05pm

re: #213 JordanRules

Rosenstein is based on speculation about an arbitrary GOP deadline.

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Sessions speculation seems to bubble up once a month or so to keep everyone on their abused toes.

Maggie at the NYT was the last one talking about Sessions.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:28:53pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

That’s a feature not a bug. The last thing the federal government wants to deal with is the costs and headaches of having to adhere to all the constitutional rules surrounding actual criminal court proceedings. Trumpers want to have their cake and eat it too, to label undocumented immigrants as criminals without actually having to treat them as accused criminals under the law.

Also, the Chinese Exclusion Act may no longer be the law but the precedent set in Fong defining deportation as not being a criminal punishment is still very much in force. It’s central to the budgetary feasibility of our entire immigration enforcement system.

Administrative courts need to be moved to the judiciary and separated from the executive branch in real ways. The immigration courts need to be the first ones moved. Whether or not they should be considered Article III courts, I’m willing to discuss that, but I’ve seen enough abuse of the administrative law courts to know they are bad for our system of government.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:29:08pm

re: #185 JordanRules

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I heard from Rob Portman today. It was in response to the latest contact form I wrote a couple weeks ago and put up here in a private tag. Small world. The guy is a waste of flesh.

Good seeing people doing sit-in at his office.

Rob should understand…all he does is sit in Congress. Doing nothing.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:29:14pm

re: #214 MsJ

Maggie at the NYT was the last one talking about Sessions.

She usually gets the Sessions palace intrigue stories.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:30:58pm

re: #217 JordanRules

She usually gets the Sessions palace intrigue stories.

Probably fed to her by Trump or his minions to keep a fire lit under Sessions.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:31:06pm

re: #216 ObserverArt

Good seeing people doing sit-in at his office.
Rob should understand…all he does is sit in Congress. Doing nothing.

LOL!!!

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:32:32pm
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:32:39pm

Oh myyy! Live tweeting this hot mess…

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:34:44pm

re: #220 MsJ

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Rep. @JacksonLeeTX18: Republicans plan on ‘firing’ Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein ‘on Friday

I’d like to see “Republicans” try to do that

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:37:34pm

re: #221 JordanRules

Oh myyy! Live tweeting this hot mess…

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I know it’s incredibly long odds, but what are the chances that the only thing that comes out of this meeting is Articles of Impeachment?

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:38:58pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:39:00pm

re: #221 JordanRules

Sounds like Trump is bombing this gig. (In the entertainment sense, not the military sense)

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:39:07pm

re: #220 MsJ

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This extreme course of action by the regime (cause Congress can’t do it), to start finally tearing down the Mueller firewall by axing Rosenstein & Sessions, would jolt the coverage from the border for a bit.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:40:05pm

re: #225 wheat-dogg

Sounds like Trump is bombing this gig. (In the entertainment sense, not the military sense)

The (military) bombing will commence as soon as he’s back at the other end of Pennsylvania Ave.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:40:06pm

re: #223 KGxvi

I know it’s incredibly long odds, but what are the chances that the only thing that comes out of this meeting is Articles of Impeachment?

Then I would screenshot, print and frame this comment in my house!

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plansbandc  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:40:29pm

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:41:02pm

It’s from 2015, still funny.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:41:06pm

re: #223 KGxvi

I know it’s incredibly long odds, but what are the chances that the only thing that comes out of this meeting is Articles of Impeachment?

None.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:42:06pm

re: #210 MsJ

Keep seeing on Twitter that Rosenstein is gone come Friday. Then Sessions.

Should that happen…then shit will be hitting the fan big le’!

To do that while getting hammered on immigration, having his guys indicted and charged (Manafort, Cohen, others) would show some extreme arrogance and shaky political calculation.

That’s gonna pressurize everything and everybody and it’s gonna blow.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:43:10pm

re: #232 ObserverArt

Should that happen…then shit will be hitting the fan big le’!

To do that while getting hammered on immigration, having his guys indicted and charged (Manafort, Cohen, others) would show some extreme arrogance and shaky political calculation.

That’s gonna pressurize everything and everybody and it’s gonna blow.

So, before we’re even out of bed in California?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:43:55pm

re: #210 MsJ

Keep seeing on Twitter that Rosenstein is gone come Friday. Then Sessions.

Well, Twitter isn’t exactly a reliable news source.

If that did happen, there would be mass protests in the streets.

act.moveon.org

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:45:04pm

re: #215 KGxvi

Administrative courts need to be moved to the judiciary and separated from the executive branch in real ways. The immigration courts need to be the first ones moved. Whether or not they should be considered Article III courts, I’m willing to discuss that, but I’ve seen enough abuse of the administrative law courts to know they are bad for our system of government.

Agree, it’s a fucking insane intentional violation of the separation of powers to have the Executive Branch running any kind of court at all.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:45:54pm

re: #213 JordanRules

Rosenstein is based on speculation about an arbitrary GOP deadline.

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Sessions speculation seems to bubble up once a month or so to keep everyone on their abused toes.

It will be interesting to see what part of Jeffy Sessions personality will win out in a few days.

Will he be the Christian he claims and resign as his church is pressuring him to do?

Or, will the little Nazi win out and he will deny his church and his Christianity and go with what seems to turn him on; being a vindictive racist with a powerful office that lets him put his hood on?

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nines09  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:47:08pm
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MsJ  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:48:27pm

re: #232 ObserverArt

Should that happen…then shit will be hitting the fan big le’!

To do that while getting hammered on immigration, having his guys indicted and charged (Manafort, Cohen, others) would show some extreme arrogance and shaky political calculation.

That’s gonna pressurize everything and everybody and it’s gonna blow.

Will it? I’m not too sure. Not now.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:48:42pm

re: #229 plansbandc

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:48:50pm

re: #220 MsJ

Rep. @JacksonLeeTX18: Republicans plan on ‘firing’ Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein ‘on Friday’ rawstory.com

— Raw Story

“Republicans” don’t have that authority.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:49:47pm

re: #216 ObserverArt

I heard from Rob Portman today. It was in response to the latest contact form I wrote a couple weeks ago and put up here in a private tag. Small world. The guy is a waste of flesh.

Good seeing people doing sit-in at his office.

Rob should understand…all he does is sit in Congress. Doing nothing.

So is Sasse his understudy?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:51:13pm

re: #229 plansbandc

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:53:47pm

Good fact checking resource you may want to keep handy.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:53:50pm

re: #238 MsJ

Trump could shoot his wife, rape his son, and the evangelicals would form a solid wall around him spewing out bible verses proving that what he did was biblical. Some retiring GOPers might speak out meekly, but the rest would be silent or go on Fox to defend him.

This is where we are now in Trump’s America.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:56:16pm

Why are they looking for her? Did she do anything illegal?

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:57:32pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 3:58:09pm

re: #245 JordanRules

Why are they looking for her? Did she do anything illegal?

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Blaspheming the Trump-head. The base will understand.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:00:01pm

re: #247 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Blaspheming the Trump-head. The base will understand.

Trial by Fox, Judge Ducklips presiding.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:01:44pm

re: #248 Winston_Smith

“Judge Ducklips, I’m Keebler Elf Sessions for the prosecution.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:08:18pm

Someone suggested the other day that we might be looking at an Underground Railroad situation with immigrants.
There is also the example of this person, a devout Christian who was famous in her time but whom the Evangelical power-cult would probably not even recognize today:

Corrie ten Boom

Why did she and her family risk their lives to help the oppressed? It apparently never occurred to them not to.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:11:44pm

re: #250 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Someone suggested the other day that we might be looking at an Underground Railroad situation with immigrants.
There is also the example of this person, a devout Christian who was famous in her time but whom the Evangelical power-cult would probably not even recognize today:

Corrie ten Boom

Why did she and her family risk their lives to help the oppressed? It apparently never occurred to them not to.

Back in the 1980s I was part of the sanctuary movement offering shelter to refugees from El Salvador and Guatemala. The churches may need to revive the mission, to protect the people targeted by ICE and Hair Furor.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:14:46pm

A Guatemalan woman and her son were detained at the Arizona border, where she made an asylum claim. They were kept imprisoned for two days, then her son was seized.

Her claim is thought to be credible, and she was released. She is now suing Attorney General Jeff Sessions, because she does not have her son.

nbcnews.com

There goes the narrative …

Her lawyer, John Shoreman of Washington, D.C., said her case “challenges the United States government’s forcible separation of a parent from her young child, notwithstanding the threat of irreparable psychological damage that separation has been universally recognized to cause young children.”

Based on the facts laid out in her complaint, it appeared she was not subjected to the entire “zero tolerance” policy announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, because she was never charged with a criminal offense for entering the country illegally.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:16:17pm

re: #243 JordanRules

Good fact checking resource you may want to keep handy.

That thread is full of conservaderp.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:17:51pm

Meanwhile, he hasn’t even high-fived Barron.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:18:29pm

LOCK HIM UP!

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:19:32pm

re: #1 makeitstop

Trump’s withdrawing from the UNHRC. It’s a right wing article of faith that it was awful and without any redeeming features.

Yet, Trump’s now engaging in the very behaviors that the right wingers used to deplore and use as proof that countries on the HRC should not be involved or sanctioned.

What all these right wingers ignore is that participating in these international organizations helps soft power and getting US diplomatic aims done. It helps protect our allies, like Israel, all while furthering our goal of human rights protections.

Trump clearly doesn’t care about any of that. He doesn’t care or even know what soft power is.

And our rivals like Russia and China are more than happy to fill that vacuum because they get to further their agenda. Our agenda gets left behind.

Trump’s undermining our national security and leadership role, all of which means America alone, not America First.

Oh, and as to that - every last fucker out there who excused Trump’s use of that American Nazi Party slogan has to be held to account for trying to deflect attention from the fact that Trump’s white supremacist agenda was clear and present from the outset of his campaign. He didn’t slouch towards his fascist white supremacist positions. He was touting them to his bigot brigade base all along.

We warned the nation.
Hillary warned the world.

And the GOP didn’t care. They put their power and party over the nation, or the rule of law and civil rights.

So here we are slouching towards the very thing we spent decades saying we’d never forget - we’re right back at it in creating concentration camps and treating minorities as subhuman (using all the language of the Holocaust and rank anti-Semitism). The target is different, but the goal is the same.

The language Trumpworld is using is straight out of the Nazi rhetoric of the 1930s. Trump’s using the language of the American Nazi Party and white supremacists who sought to keep Jews from seeking refuge in the US while the Nazis were ascending to absolute power across Europe.

We cannot be silent and we cannot enable the GOP.

GOP delenda est. The party cannot be redeemed. They are irrevocably and irreversibly irredeemable.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:19:43pm

re: #255 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The fat ass, the tie. Perfect.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:21:08pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:21:59pm

re: #258 JordanRules

Daddy’s little ghoul? That’s not reassuring.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:22:00pm

re: #258 JordanRules

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:22:42pm

re: #260 JordanRules

Daddy? JFC.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:22:58pm

Okay, Miller is finished. The base may still love his racism, arrogance, child abuse, and dishonesty but he has now been caught red handed WEARING A TAN SUIT!

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:23:04pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:24:00pm

re: #258 JordanRules

[Trump tells House Republicans now that Ivanka talked to him about family separation at the border and that the images are not good.]

The actualities are worse.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:24:05pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Does he eat his cheeseburgers with dijon mustard, too?

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:25:12pm
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:25:18pm

re: #264 wrenchwench

The actualities are worse.

She only deals in images. It’s her currency.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:26:54pm

re: #258 JordanRules

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Feckless Enabler.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:27:41pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:28:28pm

re: #267 JordanRules

She only deals in images. It’s her currency.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:30:38pm

re: #269 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:31:23pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

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I do have Tara Reid for Ivanka in the movie now that you mention it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:33:22pm

GE booted from the Dow.

money.cnn.com

For the first time in 110 years, General Electric will not be a member of the elite Dow Jones Industrial Average.

S&P Dow Jones Indices announced on Tuesday that the iconic maker of light bulbs and jet engines will be replaced in the 30-stock index by Walgreens Boots Alliance.

GE (GE) was an original member of the Dow in 1896 and has been in it continuously since November 7, 1907.

Being ousted from the Dow is the latest indignity for GE, which is dealing with a serious cash crisis caused by years of bad deals. GE has replaced its CEO, slashed thousands of jobs and cut its coveted stock dividend in half.

Last year, GE was the worst-performing stock in the Dow, losing almost half of its value. GE is down by another 25% this year.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:35:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:36:32pm

re: #161 JordanRules

Brian Williams @radioinst
How does that work exactly? They entered him how?

duh…anal probes…

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Teukka  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:37:21pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

duh…anal probes…

Getting analyzed?

*runs for cover*

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:38:20pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:40:06pm

Guy’s Twitter Thread Defending Using Profanity to Describe Trump Goes Viral (Fail blog at I Can Haz Cheezburger)

They captured the series of tweets, and they are worth a read.

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Teukka  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:40:13pm
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:40:49pm

re: #277 teleskiguy

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Yooo, the roast master is really out there doing the work?!?! Much respect!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:42:08pm

NYT deservedly eating a raft of crap today over this.

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Jack Burton  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:42:28pm

The “Both-sides are the same” assholes and BernieBros (strong Venn Diagram overlap) are coming out of the wood work to buy Trumps horseshit hook line and sinker about this being a democrat law because it serves their agenda…. which is obviously not truth.

I nearly had a goddamn aneurysm arguing with two of them on Facebook. Even RWNJs don’t piss me off this bad.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:45:59pm

Access journalism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:46:46pm

re: #282 Jack Burton

The “Both-sides are the same” assholes and BernieBros (strong Venn Diagram overlap) are coming out of the wood work to buy Trumps horseshit hook line and sinker about this being a democrat law because it serves their agenda…. which is obviously not truth.

I nearly had a goddamn aneurysm arguing with two of them on Facebook. Even RWNJs don’t piss me off this bad.

That leads us again to the question of how many Bernie Bros are actually Sanders’s supporters, and how many are foreign rodent copulators.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:48:17pm

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

Access journalism.

Someone needs to organise an “unsubscribe” campaign from the NYT. Hitting them in the pocketbook tends to make corporations more cognizant of what they do.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:48:33pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:49:48pm

re: #286 JordanRules

What a moron. Trump doesn’t pay anybody’s bills, including his own.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:50:21pm

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

Access journalism.

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Fuck this shit. I hope the audio leaks. I had thought releasing the full transcript was a decent enough compromise but no. My bad on granting them any decency.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:51:12pm

re: #288 JordanRules

So what are they doing, paraphrasing the interview or just burying it?

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:51:38pm

re: #286 JordanRules

Trump paying Cohen’s legal bills would create yet another conflict of interest. He who pays the bills gets to determine course of action, etc.

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:51:39pm

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

Guy’s Twitter Thread Defending Using Profanity to Describe Trump Goes Viral (Fail blog at I Can Haz Cheezburger)

They captured the series of tweets, and they are worth a read.

My favorite:

WAIT HOLD ON I’M NOT DONE

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:52:59pm

re: #289 Winston_Smith

So what are they doing, paraphrasing the interview or just burying it?

They used select quotes in their story.

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Jack Burton  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:53:11pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

That leads us again to the question of how many Bernie Bros are actually Sanders’s supporters, and how many are foreign rodent copulators.

Most of these people I know are younger, “just got in to politics 5 minutes ago and think they have the answers to everything” type assholes, who are so sure of themselves, so sanctimonious. They make you just want to slap them.

They sound exactly like the Ron Paul supporters circa 2004-2008 that I ran into when I went back to school. The ones who were trying really hard to pretend right-libertarianism and socialism could totally work together…. somehow… and you were just sheeple for not seeing it!

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austin_blue  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:55:25pm

re: #289 Winston_Smith

So what are they doing, paraphrasing the interview or just burying it?

It’s on the spike. It never happened.

They might lose access, the poor dears!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:57:44pm

re: #293 Jack Burton

Most of these people I know are younger, “just got in to politics 5 minutes ago and think they have the answers to everything” type assholes, who are so sure of themselves, so sanctimonious. They make you just want to slap them.

They sound exactly like the Ron Paul supporters circa 2004-2008 that I ran into when I went back to school. The ones who were trying really hard to pretend right-libertarianism and socialism could totally work together…. somehow… and you were just sheeple for not seeing it!

That’s who they remind me of too.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 4:57:58pm

re: #293 Jack Burton

Most of these people I know are younger, “just got in to politics 5 minutes ago and think they have the answers to everything” type assholes, who are so sure of themselves, so sanctimonious. They make you just want to slap them.

They sound exactly like the Ron Paul supporters circa 2004-2008 that I ran into when I went back to school. The ones who were trying really hard to pretend right-libertarianism and socialism could totally work together…. somehow… and you were just sheeple for not seeing it!

Yup. I’d bet a lot of folks here know a real life Berner or two like this. I do.
Not to say that there aren’t any bad actors there, but they are generally a real force who mimick a lot of what their leader is.

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:00:05pm

re: #296 JordanRules

Yup. I’d bet a lot of folks here know a real life Berner or two like this. I do.
Not to say that there aren’t any bad actors there, but they are generally a real force who mimick a lot of what their leader is.

We had a governor, ‘What’s a Leppo?’ I did remember his name, but I had to look it up to be sure.

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scottslemmons  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:01:02pm

A good overview of Jeffrey Goldberg and The Atlantic’s new bid to become the print edition of Breitbart, first by hiring woman-hating maniac Kevin Williamson, then by letting a raging transphobe write a cover article.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:02:32pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:02:35pm

re: #273 Anymouse 🌹

GE booted from the Dow.

money.cnn.com

Jack Welch lives on!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:02:48pm

re: #296 JordanRules

Yup. I’d bet a lot of folks here know a real life Berner or two like this. I do.
Not to say that there aren’t any bad actors there, but they are generally a real force who mimick a lot of what their leader is.

I definitely do.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:03:07pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:03:26pm
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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:04:41pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:05:16pm

re: #302 Patricia Kayden

Considering how corrupt the Republican Congress is I’d say quite a bit.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:05:44pm

Sociopathic

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:05:57pm

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

Access journalism.

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How much you wanna bet Maggie was behind the burying of this because it would jeopardize her book?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:06:51pm

re: #306 JordanRules

Sociopathic

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Fucking Corey.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:07:12pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:07:13pm

Note to protestors: Keep it peaceful. In particular, don’t tear down or vandalize the camps. We will need them for Trump and his goons.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:08:00pm

re: #306 JordanRules

Sociopathic

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Burn in hell, motherfucker.

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:09:18pm

re: #310 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Note to protestors: Keep it peaceful. In particular, don’t tear down or vandalize the camps. We will need them for Trump and his goons.

CBP carry weapons. In case, you know, somebody picks up a rock.

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:12:36pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

JJ MacNab

@jjmacnab
Sometimes I get the feeling that I’m living in a very long Coen brothers’ movie.

To me it feels more like Terry Gilliam.

Brazil.

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austin_blue  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:13:10pm

re: #294 austin_blue

It’s on the spike. It never happened.

They might lose access, the poor dears!

To be clear, the interview with Miller was recorded to ensure an accurate transcript. The WH objected to it being used in a Podcast, which was fair, as that was not why the recording was made. The decision by the NYT not to post the transcript, however, is entirely up to the editors, and is cowardly.

His words are his words, and those words should certainly be fair game for publication, if only for the documentation that what he said is accurate and true. The WH agreed to that. There’s a reason David Duke likes the little fucking weasel. We should be allowed to see the extent to which he let his freak flag fly.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:14:12pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:14:25pm

re: #313 stpaulbear

To me it feels more like Terry Gilliam.

Brazil.

Yep. One of my all time favs as far as dystopian films with a good dose of dark humor.

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austin_blue  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:15:45pm

re: #313 stpaulbear

To me it feels more like Terry Gilliam.

Brazil.

This!

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:17:07pm

So, the Chris Hardwick thing is a bit more complicated: comicbook.com.

Chris separated from Chloe Dykstra back in 2015 after finding out she was in a relationship with someone else. She tried to get back with him later, but he never reunited with her. Some texts were released by him.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:17:30pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:19:19pm

Radar indicated tornado in Kimball, Nebr. That storm is now moving across the state line toward Sterling. (Forty miles in a straight line from me.)

Tornado watches up all over NE Colorado.

The heavy weather is starting early today.

wunderground.com

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BeachDem  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:19:42pm

re: #296 JordanRules

Yup. I’d bet a lot of folks here know a real life Berner or two like this. I do.
Not to say that there aren’t any bad actors there, but they are generally a real force who mimick a lot of what their leader is.

Yep—I know many of them, all ages as well (actually, I know more old ones than young ones.) And I know several Nina Turner superfans—one, actually a former Hillary supporter, refers to Nina as her “Shero.” Makes me barf.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:20:08pm

re: #319 gocart mozart

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They don’t care about actual children. One woman I was arguing with on FB was a-okay with taking these kids away, and then stated that it would be better to spend our time trying to stop abortions. Seriously. I called her evil.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:20:12pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

JJ McNab is wrong. Coen Bros. movies are funny.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:20:44pm

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

Be careful.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:22:06pm

re: #322 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

She’s probably one of the types that really believes that women who are eight months pregnant wake up one morning and say to themselves “Ya know what? I changed my mind!”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:27:00pm

re: #223 KGxvi

I know it’s incredibly long odds, but what are the chances that the only thing that comes out of this meeting is Articles of Impeachment?

None; Trump is still more popular with the GOP base than Congressional Republicans are.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:28:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:28:57pm

re: #325 Ace Rothstein

She’s probably one of the types that really believes that women who are eight months pregnant wake up one morning and say to themselves “Ya know what? I changed my mind!”

An awful lot of conservatives fell for this article as if it was real:

Planned Parenthood Opens 8 Billion Dollar Abortionplex (The Onion)

Republican Representative John Fleming (R-LA) for one.
theatlantic.com

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TedStriker  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:29:10pm

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

JJ McNab is wrong. Coen Bros. movies are funny.

Raising Arizona is hilarious…in a good way.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:29:27pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:29:32pm

re: #327 gocart mozart

Tucker is a full blown white supremacist.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:30:42pm

re: #325 Ace Rothstein

She’s probably one of the types that really believes that women who are eight months pregnant wake up one morning and say to themselves “Ya know what? I changed my mind!”

Her FB page was open to comments from anyone and I took a peek at it. She posted another video that supposedly supported her claims and her own daughter called her out on it. LOL.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:32:19pm

re: #259 Ace Rothstein

Daddy’s little ghoul? That’s not reassuring.

That means they’re hurting her business.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:33:56pm

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

JJ McNab is wrong. Coen Bros. movies are funny.

Not all of them. “Blood Simple”, “Millers Crossing”, “The Man Who Wasn’t There”, and “No Country For Old Men”, for example.

Though there are darkly funny moments, as there are these days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:34:04pm

DECADES!
DECADES!!!

MANY MANY DECADES!!11!!

moron

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:34:38pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:35:21pm

re: #331 Winston_Smith

Tucker is a full blown white supremacist.

All Republicans are that. The only possible distinction is between Republicans who are vocal about their white supremacy and the crypto white supremacists.

I no longer care to pretend that there is any real difference between these two categories.

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BeachDem  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:35:32pm

And if there weren’t already enough reasons to hate Americans for Prosperity and the Koch brothers, there’s this:

In cities and counties across the country — including Little Rock, Ark.; Phoenix, Ariz.; southeast Michigan; central Utah; and here in Tennessee — the Koch brothers are fueling a fight against public transit, an offshoot of their longstanding national crusade for lower taxes and smaller government.

And this has to be one of the most mind-bogglingly idiotic statements ever:

Public transit, Americans for Prosperity says, goes against the liberties that Americans hold dear. “If someone has the freedom to go where they want, do what they want,” Ms. Venable said, “they’re not going to choose public transit.”

Yeah, there’s nothing more “freedomy” than denying the only form of transportation many (mostly poor) people can use to get anywhere. What an utter crock of shit.

Of course there’s this…

The Kochs’ opposition to transit spending stems from their longstanding free-market, libertarian philosophy. It also dovetails with their financial interests, which benefit from automobiles and highways.

One of the mainstay companies of Koch Industries, the Kochs’ conglomerate, is a major producer of gasoline and asphalt, and also makes seatbelts, tires and other automotive parts. Even as Americans for Prosperity opposes public investment in transit, it supports spending tax money on highways and roads.

nytimes.com

As I’ve mentioned before, I work almost exclusively with public transit companies all over the country and I know what transit means as a lifeline to people. I truly hate those motherfucking assholes with every bone in my body.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:35:41pm
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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:36:22pm

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

This one needs to end with a woodchipper, a prosecutor at home musing over how they solved the case, and a bunch of incompetent dumbasses breaking back into prison after yet more criminality all to avoid further charges.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:36:50pm

re: #338 BeachDem

Public transit is the only way I have to go to work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:37:51pm

re: #337 EPR-radar

All Republicans are that. The only possible distinction is between Republicans who are vocal about their white supremacy and the crypto white supremacists.

I no longer care to pretend that there is any real difference between these two categories.

I caught shit on FB for saying Trump voters were either racists, or okay with racism. I was told that maybe they WEREN’T okay with racism, but on balance it wasn’t the deciding factor.

I said, “In other words, they’re okay with racism.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:37:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:37:58pm

America Is the Wire Mother (Wonkette)

Doktor Zoom writes about the rhesus monkey experiment with the original video (6:08), where monkey babies were deprived of their mothers and how they fared.

He then compares it to the New Conservative Cruelty at the border.

It is a sad fact that every generation need to be taught to vote in every last election, else conservatism sweep the land with its attendant cruelties.

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:38:39pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ryan and McConnell can end this Trumpist family separation farce in 5 minutes if they had spines. Notifying Trump that the House will forward one article of impeachment per day to the Senate that this travesty is allowed to continue would get the job done easily.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:38:56pm

re: #338 BeachDem

This is what happens when you lower the maximum tax rate from 90%. These assholes use all the money they saved on taxes to destroy the country.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:39:35pm

re: #328 Anymouse 🌹

1. TOPEKA, KS
2. “No Life Is Sacred.”
3. 900,000-square-foot facility
4. new state-of-the-art fetus-killing facility

LOLOLOLOLOL

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:40:34pm

re: #342 Blind Frog Belly White

I caught shit on FB for saying Trump voters were either racists, or okay with racism. I was told that maybe they WEREN’T okay with racism, but on balance it wasn’t the deciding factor.

I said, “In other words, they’re okay with racism.”

Racists vs. being OK with racism is the canonical example of ‘distinction without a difference’.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:40:41pm

re: #338 BeachDem

Wow! These American oligarchs will not stop until economic inequality is so striking that they have to find a new planet to help ruin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:40:42pm

re: #340 lawhawk

This one needs to end with a woodchipper, a prosecutor at home musing over how they solved the case, and a bunch of incompetent dumbasses breaking back into prison after yet more criminality all to avoid further charges.

“So…That’ll be Michael Cohen, there, in tha woodchipper, then?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:42:05pm

re: #348 EPR-radar

Racists vs. being OK with racism is the canonical example of ‘distinction without a difference’.

Pretty much. Largely the difference is being conscious of their racism or denying it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:42:33pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:43:08pm

re: #349 JordanRules

Wow! These American oligarchs will not stop until economic inequality is so striking that they have to find a new planet to help ruin.

There used to be a healthy appreciation in US culture of the evils of wealth concentration, with such phrases as ‘filthy rich’ getting into the language.

But decades of unrelenting and uncontested pro-rich propaganda have taken their toll, and all of the hard lessons of the first gilded age will have to be learned again in this gilded age v2.0 that we have.

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lawhawk  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:43:46pm

re: #350 Blind Frog Belly White

You betcha. That Eric was quite the bear getting Cohen all up in there. But then we all knew that Eric would give away the game by walking out with blood all over the gloves while answering the door.

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:43:54pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Any GOPer: “What a waste of taxpayer funds!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:44:22pm

For an administration so fixated with optics and branding
Item 1

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:44:24pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:44:30pm

re: #337 EPR-radar

But it’s because he’s a white supremacist that he has a show on Fox.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:45:38pm

re: #350 Blind Frog Belly White

“So…That’ll be Michael Cohen, there, in tha woodchipper, then?

Oh, yah!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:45:59pm

re: #354 lawhawk

You betcha. That Eric was quite the bear getting Cohen all up in there. But then we all knew that Eric would give away the game by walking out with blood all over the gloves while answering the door.

Sebastian Gorka wandering into the bathroom, saying, “I need unguent.”

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:46:04pm

Come thru voicey patriots!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:46:06pm

re: #356 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

For an administration so fixated with optics and branding
Item 1

DHS Secretary Nielsen just got driven out of a Mexican restaurant here on 14th Street by activists. DSA, I believe.

Item 2

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Cheechako  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:47:17pm

How come no one’s referring trump’s “Space Force” as the “Space Farce Program”?

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:47:23pm

re: #361 JordanRules

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BeachDem  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:47:31pm

re: #341 PhillyPretzel

Public transit is the only way I have to go to work.

You are not alone. And, there are many, many studies that show the benefits of public transit to communities even for non-users. But assholes like the Kochsuckers only see what they want to see. Again, I hate them with the heat of a thousand suns.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:47:36pm

re: #356 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

For an administration so fixated with optics and branding
Item 1

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:48:15pm

re: #358 Winston_Smith

But it’s because he’s a white supremacist that he has a show on Fox.

Honestly, I think it’s because he has a show on Fox that he’s gone all white supremacist. Before that, he was just a generic conservative dick, because on CNN that’s what they wanted. On Fox, he goes full white supremacist because that’s what THEY want.

Just keeping the customer satisfied.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:49:39pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:49:51pm

re: #361 JordanRules

And Pence was met by a chant of SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! in Philadelphia tonight.

Anyone follow him with a bell? Throw shit at him?

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:51:11pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:51:33pm

re: #368 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Cruz’s “support” for the kids in the kennels is only because Beto is closing in on him. If Cruz was in double digits, he wouldn’t give a shit about them.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:51:36pm

re: #369 Blind Frog Belly White

Anyone follow him with a bell? Throw shit at him?

Not yet. I hope we at least see shoes lobbed at some point. Dubya should share that indignity with others.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:51:54pm

re: #286 JordanRules

Now that made me laugh.

Cohen expects loyalty from Trump? I’d trust a SS Obergruppenführer before I’d trust Trump.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:53:42pm

re: #289 Winston_Smith

So what are they doing, paraphrasing the interview or just burying it?

They couldn’t figure out how to clean the tape. It’s too obvious that Miller is some alien lizard in a skin suit. So they’re not releasing it.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:54:04pm

re: #373 Romantic Heretic

Now that made me laugh.

Cohen expects loyalty from Trump? I’d trust a SS Obergruppenführer before I’d trust Trump.

Right!
Cohen is really quite daft.

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Chrysicat  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:55:22pm

Y’know, I am getting rather tired of re-treading the same territory with pacifists even as they and I live in the country that can only be set right via non-pacifist means. This is about halfway down a Bill Kristol thread about that ‘infest’ tweet sounding better in the original German.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:56:55pm

re: #361 JordanRules

The fact that people are still feeling brave enough to yell at government officials means there’s a lot of angry resistance and not fear.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:57:45pm

re: #377 Belafon

The fact that people are still feeling brave enough to yell at government officials means there’s a lot of angry resistance and not fear.

Indeed! A very good sign.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:57:48pm

re: #377 Belafon

The fact that people are still feeling brave enough to yell at government officials means there’s a lot of angry resistance and not fear.

There will be more. I think it builds this summer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:57:58pm

re: #373 Romantic Heretic

Now that made me laugh.

Cohen expects loyalty from Trump? I’d trust a SS Obergruppenführer before I’d trust Trump.

Trump, OTOH, is an UberGropin’Fuhrer.

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dangerman  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:58:23pm

re: #302 Patricia Kayden

How much more corruption, how much more cruelty, before Congress does it’s Constitutional duty and removes this President?

that picture….

doesn’t summer camp usually have….cots?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2018 • 5:58:50pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:02:27pm

re: #381 dangerman

that picture….

doesn’t summer camp usually have….cots?

I have been to summer camp. We had bunk beds, real blankets, trees, campfires, archery, crafts, no fences, singing, and extremely tentative, early adolescent sexual exploration.

We did not have mylar blankets on a concrete floor surrounded by chainlink fencing.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:04:31pm

re: #300 ObserverArt

Many years ago I pissed off an anarchist, sorry, libertarian.

She was a fan of Mr. Welch and particularly liked the fact that he fired 10% of the workforce every year. She gave the impression it was a good way keep the rest of the peons working hard.

I replied, “So you like Soviet management methods. They used to kill 10% of military units who didn’t perform well.”

She then proceeded to question my ethics, personalty, sexuality and genetic inheritance in vivid terms.

It was fun.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:05:59pm

re: #349 JordanRules

Wow! These American oligarchs will not stop until economic inequality is so striking that they have to find a new planet to help ruin.

Hence Elon Musk’s Mars colony.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:11:27pm

re: #327 gocart mozart

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See, this is the bio Miller wished he had. Instead he had to go to school with a bunch of ‘multicultural’ kids.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 6:40:10pm

re: #338 BeachDem

And if there weren’t already enough reasons to hate Americans for Prosperity and the Koch brothers, there’s this:

In cities and counties across the country — including Little Rock, Ark.; Phoenix, Ariz.; southeast Michigan; central Utah; and here in Tennessee — the Koch brothers are fueling a fight against public transit, an offshoot of their longstanding national crusade for lower taxes and smaller government.

And this has to be one of the most mind-bogglingly idiotic statements ever:

Public transit, Americans for Prosperity says, goes against the liberties that Americans hold dear. “If someone has the freedom to go where they want, do what they want,” Ms. Venable said, “they’re not going to choose public transit.”

Yeah, there’s nothing more “freedomy” than denying the only form of transportation many (mostly poor) people can use to get anywhere. What an utter crock of shit.

Of course there’s this…

The Kochs’ opposition to transit spending stems from their longstanding free-market, libertarian philosophy. It also dovetails with their financial interests, which benefit from automobiles and highways.

One of the mainstay companies of Koch Industries, the Kochs’ conglomerate, is a major producer of gasoline and asphalt, and also makes seatbelts, tires and other automotive parts. Even as Americans for Prosperity opposes public investment in transit, it supports spending tax money on highways and roads.

nytimes.com

As I’ve mentioned before, I work almost exclusively with public transit companies all over the country and I know what transit means as a lifeline to people. I truly hate those motherfucking assholes with every bone in my body.

The Libertarians are already claiming the New York Times article is false.

reason.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:15:11pm

re: #376 Chrysicat

Y’know, I am getting rather tired of re-treading the same territory with pacifists even as they and I live in the country that can only be set right via non-pacifist means. This is about halfway down a Bill Kristol thread about that ‘infest’ tweet sounding better in the original German.

I’m not a pacifist.

As far as I can tell from history, the nukes were not necessary.

The two cities bombed were specifically spared regular bombing so we could test our nuclear weapons. We used civilians as a test.

Japan’s Imperial Navy and Air Force were already out of fuel, which is why the bombers got through. The Japanese Air Force could not afford to fly planes to shoot down a single bomber (single planes were viewed as reconnaissance and therefore not an immediate threat).

An invasion of the home islands (touted as the only other solution by those who think in black-and-white) was also unnecessary. The Japanese Empire had already collapsed; the Allies stood on all their territory. All that was required to do was wait until they surrendered. We had enough ships ourselves to blockade Japan fifty times over at that point.

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The Major  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:51:47am

re: #384 Romantic Heretic

She was a fan of Mr. Welch and particularly liked the fact that he fired 10% of the workforce every year. She gave the impression it was a good way keep the rest of the peons working hard.

That practice was picked up by a number of other companies who hired ex-GE managers. And they would do “Top 10/Bottom 10” status reports monthly….

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John Hughes  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:59:00am

re: #49 dangerman

Jon Sandweg, the former head of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, told NBC News that migrant parents separated from their children at the border are sometimes unable to relocate their child and remain permanently separated.

kidnapped, if you will

What makes you think the missing children are still alive?


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