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Single-handed sailor  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:19:08pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:19:45pm

UPDATE!

Texas billboard telling ‘liberals’ to leave the state removed, report says

A billboard in Texas that warned liberals to keep driving until they leave the state has reportedly been removed.

The billboard, which read, “Liberals, Please continue on I-40 until you have left our GREAT STATE OF TEXAS,” was removed Wednesday after someone posted a photo of it to Facebook, myhighplains.com reported.

The owner of the billboard said that the client who paid for the sign asked for it to be taken down, as they didn’t realize how controversial it would become.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:21:48pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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I was hoping that Beto burned it down with a flamethrower!

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:25:18pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Yeah, screw that guy. If he doesn’t like living near me, he can leave. I’ve put up with sorry-ass people like him for years to try to make Texas a better place t live. I ain’t leaving just because he’s getting nervous.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:26:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:30:02pm

re: #153 danarchy

Doesn’t cancelling a lease generally require the tenant to have violated said lease? Doxing some dude because he leased property to the wrong government agency seems like a pretty shitty thing to do.

I’ll bet you can make an argument that accessory to kidnapping is a violation of the lease.

Night y’all.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:37:44pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Oh you didn’t know how controversial it would be huh?? Yeah okay squirt.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:40:20pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:42:13pm

So is Mattis now complicit with this monstrous policy by allowing JAG officers to prosecute asylum seekers? If so, I will no longer treat him as an exception to the general depravity, corruption, and evil of this maladministration.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:42:57pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:44:28pm

re: #10 JordanRules

New Yorkers never cease to amaze me. Yay, my hometown!

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:45:49pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

So is Mattis now complicit with this monstrous policy by allowing JAG officers to prosecute asylum seekers? If so, I will no longer treat him as an exception to the general depravity, corruption, and evil of this maladministration.

Don’t. He never deserved any benefit of the doubt. None of them did or do.
Not Kelly, not McMaster, not Mattis
It was always evident, from birtherism on, what this is.

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Interesting Times  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:46:51pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking of which, some much-needed levity:

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:47:13pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:50:09pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

Yes, definitely the hashtag we need:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:52:39pm

I hadn’t seen this pic of Satan Miller until a few minutes ago.

Facebook Post

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:54:13pm

re: #16 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I hadn’t seen this pic of Satan Miller until a few minutes ago.

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No wonder he doesn’t smile. He looks even more monstrous than his normal dour face.

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Swift2991  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:55:30pm

I think we’re missing it. He’s changed the language about keeping families together, but putting people in jail and putting their children in there with them isn’t going to cut it. There was the Flores decision against the Obama administration when HHS was dragging its feet. That put a limit on the time that children could be interned in a prison-like facility to about 20 days. Not significantly longer. So if the ACLU goes ahead with its suit, the court will again find that the child must be released to relatives, a faster home, or to the parents, who would have, in 2015, been told to come back for their court hearing (90% showed up), and they would take care of their children in a relative’s house, or a charity. But what’s in the way? The idea of “zero tolerance” means the parents don’t get a hearing, stay in jail, and if the child is released we’re right back where we started. They will not release the parents. They are being charged with a misdemeanor, crazy as it sounds, and deported. Where’s the child then?

They must get their hearings. It will take months to hear all the cases. Oh, and another thing: the Trump administration cut the budget for defense attorneys, completely, about a month ago. So it ain’t fixed. Man the barricades again!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:56:00pm

Were they?

Separated at birth?

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:56:53pm

Holy hell.

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danarchy  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:03:10pm

re: #17 Hecuba’s daughter

No wonder he doesn’t smile. He looks even more monstrous than his normal dour face.

That’s a photoshop. The original is his normal dour face.

Image: DXCf8vdVMAc2ma5.jpg

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:04:42pm

Beautiful!!

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wheat-dogg  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:07:07pm

re: #21 danarchy

That’s a photoshop. The original is his normal dour face.

Image: DXCf8vdVMAc2ma5.jpg

Then the ‘shopper needs to give him vampire fangs.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:09:22pm

re: #21 danarchy

That’s a photoshop. The original is his normal dour face.

Image: DXCf8vdVMAc2ma5.jpg

I think that slight smirk is Miller’s “smile”.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:11:21pm

These accounts are disturbing to say the least.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:13:33pm

re: #25 JordanRules

These accounts are disturbing to say the least.

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IT’S JUST LIKE SUMMER CAMP!!

Sure…..if your summer camp is run by the Marquis de Sade.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:31:25pm

re: #25 JordanRules

These accounts are disturbing to say the least.

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Remember Abu Ghraib?

This shit will be ten times worse.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:44:29pm

re: #21 danarchy

That’s a photoshop. The original is his normal dour face.

Image: DXCf8vdVMAc2ma5.jpg

Gahhh!! Second time I’ve been caught by a photoshop in as many weeks!

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:49:24pm
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:51:49pm

Back in the early 80’s I worked for a Republican guy whom I met through his son when we became high school friends. He was a pro-Reagan guy and ran his own business that made some pretty good money. After some time I learned that he kept two sets of books and that he had been skimming off a considerable chunk of change over the years. It really didn’t matter to me because all I cared about the place was the job but I was curious as to what he would do if caught, so I asked him. What he said then spells out how Republicans and Trump operate today.

“Possession is 9/10ths of the law. If they want it then they have to come and get it. Until then, it’s mine.”

That stuck with me because of the way he forcefully stated it. He elaborated further as we talked, saying that if you want to do something, then you just do it. If it’s illegal then it’s up to the law to make you stop. Until then, it’s yours.

They are not going to stop, we have to stop them.

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TedStriker  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:53:25pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

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Sessions is a sonofabitch:

Curbing immigration has been a signature issue for Mr. Sessions throughout his career, which has included stints as a federal prosecutor and state attorney general in Alabama, and nearly 20 years in the Senate.

In speeches this year, Mr. Sessions has said that the zero-tolerance policy would hopefully deter immigrants from entering the United States.

“The world will know what our rules are, and great numbers will no longer undertake this dangerous journey,” he said in a speech this month to immigration judges.

“The number of illegal aliens and the number of baseless claims will fall,” he said. “A virtuous cycle will be created, rather than a vicious cycle of expanding illegality.”

Go to hell, Evil Keebler Elf.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:57:04pm

Legal asylum seekers aside, there is always this. Fucking this!

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:37:37pm

re: #30 Odie Hugh Manatee

“They are not going to stop, we have to stop them.”

QFT

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:52:26pm
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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 12:09:26am

Very swampy.
Elite of the elite.

Also, he’s a corrupt, democracy killing, theocratic, traitorous doofus.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 21, 2018 • 12:18:55am
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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 12:41:10am

So much dysfunction. Was hoping this was a reprint of a 2015/16 story when it was really needed. Alas, it is not. Still glad it was written but *heavy sigh* …
Julia paints an interesting picture in this piece but still doesn’t do enough justice to the dangers that he, his father and the GOP movement represent IMO.

Not that GQ serves in the same pivotal lane as the NYT and such but more of this was desperately needed back then and this piece needs more perspective as for-profit baby prisons propogate now. He, like his father, is a traitor thru and thru.

Hell, we got a few stories about Obama’s NCAA hoop coach brother-in-law as he ascended. No stone unturned for the big black unknown. Lazy rehashes of Clinton stories abounded and they were framed ridiculously. No stone unturned for the lady Dem. But the conman with decades of informative and disturbing media available got the most privileged coverage I’ve ever seen. His immediate family was there the whole way, part of the disturbing and so obviously corrupt machine and they too still escape the scrutiny and legal repercussions they deserve.

And she ends the piece…
“Like Republican populists of the past decade, Don speaks of “real Americans,” people he defines as “the forgotten people between New York City and Malibu.” It’s an improbable notion: that the billionaire’s kid from 66 stories above Fifth Avenue is the one who speaks for the disaffected and the overlooked. But it’s no less surprising than the faint rumors suggesting that he might someday run for office—a way to finally, perhaps, make a name for himself.”

*spit*

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 21, 2018 • 1:13:11am
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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 1:38:43am

re: #38 Single-handed sailor

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Cool, cool, cool. *she says, fighting back tears*

Looking forward to mega resistance. Hoping for safety for everyone.
Not looking forward to how the media covers this (or doesn’t). Maybe they can get it right. *shrugs*
Maybe some more of the mushy middle and apathetic ‘get along’ folks will get it now. Each step of the way we have to sweep up more of the previously disengaged or it will be all bad.

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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 1:41:50am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 1:44:43am

re: #40 JordanRules

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“Lock her up!” is the Trump cultists version of “Sieg Heil”.

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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 1:46:20am

1 whole month out of only 9 in her prescious, emergent life. Mercy me.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 2:03:00am

Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?

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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 2:24:24am

re: #43 Kragar

Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?

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I would have legitimately lost money on this in an ‘Onion or Real Headline’ challenge.

Completely appalling.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 21, 2018 • 2:24:37am

re: #43 Kragar

Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?

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Yeah…well…Obama wore a short-sleeved shirt that one time! Talk about lowering the dignity of the office!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 2:27:47am

re: #45 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah…well…Obama wore a short-sleeved shirt that one time! Talk about lowering the dignity of the office!

TAN SUIT!! DIJON MUSTARD!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 2:32:25am

Back later. Off to work.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 3:53:32am

re: #32 JordanRules

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Legal asylum seekers aside, there is always this. Fucking this!

Yep. The people who smugly tell immigrants to just follow the law give Jared a pass for that shit.

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Weaselone  Jun 21, 2018 • 4:04:17am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Yep. The people who smugly tell immigrants to just follow the law give Jared a pass for that shit.

Didn’t the Keebler elf’s mirror universe counterpart also omit information from his forms?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 4:06:03am

re: #49 Weaselone

Didn’t the Keebler elf’s mirror universe counterpart also omit information from his forms?

Yes he did.

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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 4:14:04am

re: #49 Weaselone

Didn’t the Keebler elf’s mirror universe counterpart also omit information from his forms?

And lied under oath, to Congress.

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Citizen K  Jun 21, 2018 • 4:23:56am

re: #25 JordanRules

re: #40 JordanRules

re: #42 JordanRules

re: #43 Kragar

I’ve barely been up for an hour, and already I just want to curl back up in bed and cry.

This is our terrible, horrible, fucked-up reality.

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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 4:36:36am

All of the lights, all of the lights.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:00:14am

re: #5 Single-handed sailor

An HHS official tells @weijia that there will NOT be special efforts made to reunite children who have already been separated from their families bc of the Zero Tolerance Policy, despite Trumps EO. Process will proceed for minors currently in the unaccompanied children program.

i believe not making every (special? wtf how hard should it be) effort to reunite families already separated is magnitudes worse than ripping them apart in the first place

putting aside whether they in fact properly and accurately documented and tracked all the individuals - could they actually admit they didnt?

this would no longer be “policy” or the dems did it or anything else
its “we could do it instantly and just dont want to”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:07:06am

re: #54 dangerman

i believe not making every (special? wtf how hard should it be) effort to reunite families already separated is magnitudes worse than ripping them apart in the first place

putting aside whether they in fact properly and accurately documented and tracked all the individuals - could they actually admit they didnt?

this would no longer be “policy” or the dems did it or anything else
its “we could do it instantly and just dont want to”

You can’t put that aside. I absolutely guaran-damn-tee you they didn’t do any of that, and they have no idea in hell of how to get them back to their parents, and had no intention of ever doing so in the first place.

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jeffreyw  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:09:43am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:10:16am

Uh oh!

Booby Nincompoopo’s wife gets charged with fraud for doing the Scott Pruitt thing!

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s wife, Sara, was charged on Thursday with fraud for allegedly misusing state funds in ordering catered meals at their official residence, a court spokesperson said.

The indictment charged that Netanyahu, along with a government employee, fraudulently obtained more than $100,000 for hundreds of meals supplied by restaurants, bypassing regulations prohibiting the practice if a cook is employed at the home.

She was charged with aggravated fraud and breach of trust, according to the indictment released by the Justice Ministry to the media.

A former deputy director of the prime minister’s residence is also charged in the case.

Sara’s indictment marks the latest development in a series of scandals embroiling the Netanyahu family. In February, police recommended her husband be indicted on charges of corruption and bribery.

nbcnews.com

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:10:35am

re: #42 JordanRules

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BREAKING: NYC Mayor DiBlasio confirmed 239 girls separated from their parents were being held at a detention center in E Harlem. The youngest is 9 months old, she’s been there for a MONTH.

He went on to say the only reason he knew about the girls is because it was leaked to him.

1 whole month out of only 9 in her prescious, emergent life. Mercy me.

the mayor didnt know
it had to be leaked to him
the mayor of NYC (rudy’s old job)

im not disputing that the entire correctional/incarceration infrastructure managed to keep it quiet/hidden/secret

im saying they deliberately managed to keep it quiet/hidden/secret

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:14:12am

re: #55 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You can’t put that aside. I absolutely guaran-damn-tee you they didn’t do any of that, and they have no idea in hell of how to get them back to their parents, and had no intention of ever doing so in the first place.

yes i know - and there has been some reporting to that

until the admin comes out and says we got no records (which they’ll never do) the only explanation left is “we dont want to”

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:15:39am

Mike Myers was on Seth Meyers last night.

“I would like to remind everybody that we have the longest undefended border in the world, the longest peace treaties in the world, we’re your number one trading partner, on September 14th Canadian special forces were in Afghanistan. We did not get attacked ourselves but we love America so much that over 40,000 Canadians served in Afghanistan, so these are just little facts I’d like to point out. Not the stuff of security threat I think you’ll find.”

Mike Myers Talks About His Intense Love of Soccer

He didn’t mention the Canadian small town that took in 40 planeloads of Americans when we closed our airspace on 9/11, or the Americans who found refuge at the Canadian embassy during the Iranian revolution, or…. or any of the thousands of other reasons it’s unconscionable that Trump should treat them this way.

Perhaps we should just be grateful the orange menace isn’t leading his cult in chants of “fifty-four forty or fight!!”

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:16:32am

what kind of depraved monsters could put familes back to together (even still in detention) and doesnt?

i know i just said it
im saying it again

this is worse than tearing them apart

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:28:35am

re: #59 dangerman

yes i know - and there has been some reporting to that

until the admin comes out and says we got no records (which they’ll never do) the only explanation left is “we dont want to”

I don’t think the administration has kept records precisely because they don’t want a trail to follow.

If I had a million to spare, I would pay private investigators to go find all of these places.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:34:51am
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wheat-dogg  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:39:58am

It is awake.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:42:48am

And making no sense as usual

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:43:19am

re: #35 JordanRules

Very swampy.
Elite of the elite.

Also, he’s a corrupt, democracy killing, theocratic, traitorous doofus.

“It’s OK, it’s money that might otherwise have been spent on environmental protection.”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:44:21am

re: #65 wheat-dogg

And making no sense as usual

Deranged lunatic is deranged.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:45:42am

re: #65 wheat-dogg

And making no sense as usual

“legal phrase they are told to say as their password”

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:46:51am

re: #65 wheat-dogg

And making no sense as usual

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What the hell is he smokin’?
He should throw it away, it has obviously gone bad…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:47:05am

re: #1 Single-handed sailor

Remember when Faux spent its days frothing at the mouth at anything and everything related to Obama?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:48:06am

re: #65 wheat-dogg

And making no sense as usual

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Wtf.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:48:22am

re: #68 Belafon

“legal phrase they are told to say as their password”

Immigration as mass conspiracy theory.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:49:15am

re: #64 wheat-dogg

It is awake.

He’s bringing Americans together!!!!

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:49:44am

re: #72 Sir John Barron

Immigration as mass conspiracy theory.

How dare they ask to be protected by the law?!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:49:51am

God it would be so easier to be indifferent but I can’t be with this cretin.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:50:59am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

God it would be so easier to be indifferent but I can’t be with this cretin.

That’s what separates us from the Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:51:53am

re: #77 Belafon

That’s what separates us from the Republicans.

Indeed.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:53:28am
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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:53:55am
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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:54:08am
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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 5:56:13am

“baby jails”
Trump camps

Starting to show up in headlines

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:01:54am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:02:38am

re: #81 MsJ

And yet, they are so quick to tell you that they are the Party of Family Values. **rolls eyes**

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:05:01am

re: #75 Belafon

How dare they ask to be protected by the law?!

So what actually is the password? Is it changed everyday?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:06:06am
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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:09:28am

re: #83 Patricia Kayden

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A reminder…Trump lost, and lost badly today. This was a PR, political, legal, and moral disaster and it’s unspeakably awful for him.

Also, Manafort is still in jail, Michael Cohen is ready to squeal, and the dumb spin on the IG report got overtaken by events

Two small points

It is totally speakably awful for him and lots of people will not stop speaking

And both the IG report and North Korea (remember that?) are already long lost memories

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:11:13am

re: #85 Sir John Barron

So what actually is the password? Is it changed everyday?

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“Today’s passphrase is ‘I want to work for Trump.’”

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Lupin  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:12:31am
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makeitstop  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:12:37am

This will help. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:13:55am

re: #89 Lupin

Immigrant teens beaten and shackled naked for days at Virginia detention center, lawsuit says

For sure the avalanche has just started.

This needs to be covered everywhere. That’s in my own backyard.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:14:54am

re: #89 Lupin

Immigrant teens beaten and shackled naked for days at Virginia detention center, lawsuit says

For sure the avalanche has just started.

All a hoax and lies and photoshopped, I’m sure, but here’s an anti-Obama video I found on the internet that tells the truth about his being born in Kenya.

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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:17:34am

re: #57 Joe Bacon 🌹

The indictments and criminal charges against Netanyahu and his wife have been swirling for years. That they finally came to fruition is long overdue.

Netanyahu has skirted the law for the years, but we might now finally see them held accountable.

Guess if you got Netanyahu on your indictment bingo that you won the pool.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:22:02am

re: #92 Sir John Barron

All a hoax and lies and photoshopped, I’m sure, but here’s an anti-Obama video I found on the internet that tells the truth about his being born in Kenya.

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That’s pretty much the mindset augh

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:22:32am

I will believe it when I see it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:22:50am

re: #89 Lupin

Immigrant teens beaten and shackled naked for days at Virginia detention center, lawsuit says

For sure the avalanche has just started.

Aaand that is why I flip out when lawmakers or whomever type of oversight people don’t have 24/7 unannounced access to every facility.

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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:23:20am

She was more intelligent and inquisitive about the world around her than the current occupant of the WH.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:24:34am

re: #97 lawhawk

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She was more intelligent and inquisitive about the world around her than the current occupant of the WH.

RIP you kind soul.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:30:01am

re: #97 lawhawk

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She was more intelligent and inquisitive about the world around her than the current occupant of the WH.

probably made fewer spelling mistakes in her tweets, too

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:32:54am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:33:23am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

This needs to be covered everywhere. That’s in my own backyard.

Absolutely. You know how evidence needs to be proportionate to charges? Same thing for invasive laws like this policy. Massive oversight goes with a program like that even if it was necessary, which of course it is not. But the oversight has to be like paint on corrugated metal.

Caution: Ratfuckers ahead. We should presume the right will plant some attractive traps with lies and Photoshop to try and kill the credibility of these revelations.

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:39:39am

re: #68 Belafon

“legal phrase they are told to say as their password”

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

“Shibboleth”

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:41:14am
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William Lewis  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:46:13am

I get a daily meditation from the group of Franciscans headed by Richard Rohr. He’s in the process of dying so mostly it’s being done by other authors these days. I wanted to share a bit from today because it fits where we are right now.

Walking toward Heaven
Thursday, July 21, 2018
Summer Solstice

In his book Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett has a character define sin thusly: “Sin, young man, is when you treat people like things.” [1] …

We’re seeing the consequences of this everywhere these days: People are being objectified… .

The translation of Namaste is one of infinite depth. It means: The divinity in me … salutes the divinity in you.

Here we have an antidote to objectification. Something infinite, immortal, mysterious, loving, and alive abides in me and it is from this light that I bow toward that which is infinite, immortal, mysterious, loving, and alive in you. What if this was our set-point, our baseline, the fundamental assumption we had about every single person we encountered? All our reputations precede us: We’re divine… .

Mystics from every tradition testify to the aliveness and sentience of all things, that the natural world is lit up with the flame of divinity. This does and must include us. We’re not taught this. In fact, most of what we’re taught opposes this.

There’s an urgency to this moment. We must choose between a world of subjects and a world of objects. To acknowledge the divinity of another, we must first accept our own, which is not nearly as easy as it sounds… . Buddhist teacher Jack Kornfield [writes]:

Our belief in a limited and impoverished identity is such a strong habit that without it we are afraid we wouldn’t know how to be. If we fully acknowledged our dignity, it could lead us to radical life changes. It could ask something huge of us. [2]

… So many of us carry a kind of unspoken assumption that something is very, very wrong with us, that we’re damaged, guilty, and unlovable. Stepping into our divinity—acknowledging and accepting our fundamental nobility—is the ultimate paradigm shift. Kornfield is right. We cannot continue with business as usual after this… .

Namaste asks something huge of us: If the divinity in me recognizes the divinity in you, how could I abuse, debase, violate, or harass? I would, after all, only be punishing myself… .

St. Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335-c. 394) offered another beautiful, succinct, and useful definition of sin. Sin, he [suggested], is a refusal to keep growing. [3]

This is a growing moment. Growth is painful.

I don’t believe hell or heaven to be post-life destinations. I believe they are states of consciousness largely visible here and now. A world of objects is a kind of hell. A world of subjects—divine beings honoring the divinity in the other—is surely heaven. May we point our feet toward this heaven and begin the hard and necessary work of walking there.
—Josh Radnor (How I met your Mother, etc)

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:46:38am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:47:34am

re: #103 MsJ

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Fucker.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:47:50am

re: #105 sagehen

Stephen Miller is so mad about the reversal he’s going to strangle two women tonight. One for food, as usual, but the other just to slake his terrible rage.

That made me genuinely laugh out loud.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:48:10am

re: #105 sagehen

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I believe he’s into strangling cats while the score to Cats plays.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:49:11am
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Jay C  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:49:14am

re: #90 makeitstop

This will help. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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$80 mil? A nice contribution from Mayor Mike, but that has to be on the level of pocket change for him: back in ‘16, I read that Bloomberg, every year, gives away more money than Donald Trump is worth (even by his own non-credible accounting).

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makeitstop  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:51:05am

re: #110 Jay C

$80 mil? A nice contribution from Mayor Mike, but that has to be on the level of pocket change for him: back in ‘16, I read that Bloomberg, every year, gives away more money than Donald Trump is worth (even by his own non-credible accounting).

It’s $80 mil more than Dems had yesterday. I’ll take it.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:51:44am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

I believe he’s into strangling cats while the score to Cats plays.

Ah, the Memories.

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makeitstop  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:52:28am

You tell her, Hellboy.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:55:41am

re: #113 makeitstop

I’m glad it’s so important to keep us happy, Ann. Get to it.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:56:53am

re: #95 MsJ

Threatens. Just do it, Dude.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:57:50am

re: #115 Patricia Kayden

Threatens. Just do it, Dude.

Precisely.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 6:59:01am

And off to work I go.

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retired cynic  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:01:41am

On Point on NPR this morning is spending the first hour on Steven Miller…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:03:42am

re: #109 Patricia Kayden

Ads against GOP candidates should feature the photos of kids clinging to wire & then fade to black w/the sound of children sobbing for their parents. The tag line should read: “Rep. John Doe didn’t do anything to stop this”

Ads should ask when ALL of the separated children are going to be found and reunited with their parents.

Because we unfortunately know that many of them will never be.

Make them wear that millstone.

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William Lewis  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:05:22am

God I hate dealing with UPS. Just use the Post Office. Cheaper, better, more, accurate…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:09:17am

re: #117 MsJ

And off to work I go.

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And most of “they” never got million dollar loans from Daddy.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:11:13am

Biology question:

Let’s assume we’re going to send a group of people off to colonize another planet, and that we’re going to send one group of people. Assume that we’ve solved all of the normal challenges to make sure the group survives, food, air, etc. What’s the minimum number of people we would have to send to ensure enough genetic diversity for the group to flourish into a full human population? In other words, how many people would have to be sent so that we don’t start getting issues such as what happens when relatives procreate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:12:47am

re: #120 William Lewis

God I hate dealing with UPS. Just use the Post Office. Cheaper, better, more, accurate…

My postlady delivered a package from Amazon yesterday. Asked her if she believes Trump was telling the truth about Amazon and the Post Office.

Her reply, “That Motherf*&$%#r wouldn’t last 5 minutes doing my route”…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:13:57am

re: #115 Patricia Kayden

Threatens. Just do it, Dude.

“I’m about to get very concerned…..”

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:14:30am

re: #122 Belafon

Biology question:

Let’s assume we’re going to send a group of people off to colonize another planet, and that we’re going to send one group of people. Assume that we’ve solved all of the normal challenges to make sure the group survives, food, air, etc. What’s the minimum number of people we would have to send to ensure enough genetic diversity for the group to flourish into a full human population? In other words, how many people would have to be sent so that we don’t start getting issues such as what happens when relatives procreate.

I would think 20 couples should be sufficient.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:15:23am

re: #122 Belafon

Biology question:

Let’s assume we’re going to send a group of people off to colonize another planet, and that we’re going to send one group of people. Assume that we’ve solved all of the normal challenges to make sure the group survives, food, air, etc. What’s the minimum number of people we would have to send to ensure enough genetic diversity for the group to flourish into a full human population? In other words, how many people would have to be sent so that we don’t start getting issues such as what happens when relatives procreate.

An internet search suggests a minimum of 10,000, and ideally 40,000.

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freetoken  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:16:36am

re: #122 Belafon

There was an article that came out the other day about this very question:

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danarchy  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:16:47am

re: #122 Belafon

Biology question:

Let’s assume we’re going to send a group of people off to colonize another planet, and that we’re going to send one group of people. Assume that we’ve solved all of the normal challenges to make sure the group survives, food, air, etc. What’s the minimum number of people we would have to send to ensure enough genetic diversity for the group to flourish into a full human population? In other words, how many people would have to be sent so that we don’t start getting issues such as what happens when relatives procreate.

Magic number for space pioneers.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:17:03am

re: #126 wheat-dogg

An internet search suggests a minimum of 10,000, and ideally 40,000.

Wow. That’s a lot bigger than I would have thought. Maybe that explains America. We started out way too thin.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:17:41am

re: #127 freetoken

I can’t look at Google Docs at work, so I’ll look at it tonight.

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freetoken  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:18:57am

re: #130 Belafon

I can’t look at Google Docs at work, so I’ll look at it tonight.

It’s sort of technical, actually a paper.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:19:49am

re: #129 Belafon

Wow. That’s a lot bigger than I would have thought. Maybe that explains America. We started out way too thin.

Not a fair comparison. The Americas had a constant supply of new genetic contributions. A space colony would need to have all of that kind of genetic diversity delivered more or less at once, so getting picked to be on the crew would involve a lot of DNA testing.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:20:56am

re: #126 wheat-dogg

An internet search suggests a minimum of 10,000, and ideally 40,000.

I don’t think it’s ever been conclusively proven (to the best of my knowledge) but in the Toba genetic bottleneck theory, it’s figured there were roughly 10,000 breeding pairs* of Homo sapiens left at that time, about 70,000 years ago. But there are problems with the theory, too, so take it with a pinch of salt.

*there may have been less - could have been as few as 1,000 breeding pairs.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:20:58am

re: #132 wheat-dogg

Not a fair comparison. The Americas had a constant supply of new genetic contributions. A space colony would need to have all of that kind of genetic diversity delivered more or less at once, so getting picked to be on the crew would involve a lot of DNA testing.

Oh, I know. Just trying to make a joke about inbreeding and our current situation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:24:25am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

I don’t think it’s ever been conclusively proven (to the best of my knowledge) but in the Toba genetic bottleneck theory, it’s figured there were roughly 10,000 breeding pairs* of Homo sapiens left at that time, about 70,000 years ago. But there are problems with the theory, too, so take it with a pinch of salt.

*there may have been less - could have been as few as 1,000 breeding pairs.

I read about this, that we are all descended from one of 5,000 mothers. We and cheetahs are a genetic mess because of it.

In an unrelated topic, I really, really want a cigarette right now but have quit.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:26:23am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read about this, that we are all descended from one of 5,000 mothers. We and cheetahs are a genetic mess because of it.

In an unrelated topic, I really, really want a cigarette right now but have quit.

I read something a little while ago that what helped some quit was to go through the motions even without the cigarette.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:29:11am

re: #134 Belafon

Oh, I know. Just trying to make a joke about inbreeding and our current situation.

Sorry, I missed that. There is some truth to the idea, though, as people who don’t tend to travel much away from their hometown tend to marry people from that hometown. If both their families had lived there for a few generations, it increased the chances of marrying a distant cousin, which in the long run, is not a good idea.

The paper suggests a minimum of 98 people (49 couples) for a 6,300-year voyage to Proxima Centauri would provide enough genetic diversity IF they were carefully screened ahead of time. The “magic number” article suggests 160 people, who would also need to be screened for genetic diversity. The experts also suggest pairings would need to be monitored to avoid close consanguinity.

I’m sure the Chinese will take all of these factors into consideration when they start recruiting for their interstellar missions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:29:24am

re: #136 Belafon

I read something a little while ago that what helped some quit was to go through the motions even without the cigarette.

I used to be Mr. Casual smoker: my girlfriend smoked and I would sometimes come join her for a smoke just to sit with her on the balcony, at most 2 - 3 per week.

Then we broke up and I started smoking regularly, I realized that it was sort of psychological substitute for hanging out with her.

I been off and on the stuff ever since, usually weeks at a time, but I bummed a lot of smokes last weekend and again last night and am back to craving.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:36:30am

Trump would tell you that only he and 99 women would be needed for the space trip. He has very good genes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:36:56am

re: #139 BlueSpotinAL

Trump would tell you that only he and 99 women would be needed. He has very good genes.

the best genes

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:37:05am

re: #139 BlueSpotinAL

Trump would tell you that only he and 99 women would be needed. He has very good genes.

If we had to do that. I’d just take my chances evolving or devolving to a new species.

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lizardofid  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:49:15am

re: #122 Belafon

Biology question:

Let’s assume we’re going to send a group of people off to colonize another planet, and that we’re going to send one group of people. Assume that we’ve solved all of the normal challenges to make sure the group survives, food, air, etc. What’s the minimum number of people we would have to send to ensure enough genetic diversity for the group to flourish into a full human population? In other words, how many people would have to be sent so that we don’t start getting issues such as what happens when relatives procreate.

This question may be a bit too sci-fi, but by the time we can attempt colonization, might it be possible to carry back up genetic material, to expand the pool?

Oh, and good morning everyone!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:51:17am

re: #142 lizardofid

This question may be a bit too sci-fi, but by the time we can attempt colonization, might it be possible to carry back up genetic material, to expand the pool?

Oh, and good morning everyone!

you mean extra buckets of jizz and eggs to implant?

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William Lewis  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:56:19am

Hmm. I wonder if we were to back up the minds of the colonists into a computer system ala San Junipero episode of Black Mirror if we could then download them into organics or robots when arrived at the target system? Although, I could also see it being something that people would not want to leave ever again…

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wheat-dogg  Jun 21, 2018 • 7:58:45am

re: #144 William Lewis

Hmm. I wonder if we were to back up the minds of the colonists into a computer system ala San Junipero episode of Black Mirror if we could then download them into organics or robots when arrived at the target system? Although, I could also see it being something that people would not want to leave ever again…

Sounds like Altered Carbon, too.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:11:57am

Meanwhile, DrumpF and his Government Destroyer would like to perform a nice little government reorganization.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:13:30am

re: #146 Sir John Barron

Meanwhile, DrumpF and his Government Destroyer would like to perform a nice little government reorganization.

reshuffling the deck and trying to lose as many cards as possible in the process…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:13:35am

re: #146 Sir John Barron

The plan, which will most likely face significant opposition in Congress from Democrats and some Republicans, includes relocating many social safety net programs into a new megadepartment, which would replace the Department of Health and Human Services and possibly include the word “welfare” in its title.

Mr. Trump and his budget director, Mick Mulvaney, the architect of the plan, have sought to redefine as welfare subsistence benefit programs like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, and housing aid. It is part of a rebranding effort, championed by conservative think tanks and House Republicans, to link them to unpopular direct-cash assistance programs that have traditionally been called welfare.

“They have been using the word welfare because it is pejorative,” said Elaine Waxman, a senior fellow in the Income and Benefits Policy Center at the Urban Institute, a nonpartisan Washington think tank. “The programs you can call welfare are actually very small in comparison to SNAP, which is an income support necessary to help families, workers and millions of kids.”

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:16:20am

This policy has created a bonanza for child predators. Now they have presidential cover.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:17:42am

re: #148 Sir John Barron

Administration officials said the blueprint for the plan was a 2017 list of reorganization recommendations produced by the conservative Heritage Foundation.

The group’s wish list includes the elimination of a handful of well-known federal programs, including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the Export-Import Bank. It was not clear if Mr. Mulvaney had adopted those suggestions. But he is expected to propose far-reaching overhauls to the consumer bureau, which he runs as a second job.

They hate consumer protections

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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:17:59am

Feel free to chime in…. Assholes

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ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:21:07am

Morning!

I’m having a bit of a struggle with some of this immigration stuff. I came across a debate at another place that apparently came from some articles about Obama doing many of the same policies of separation of families, running detention centers, etc. that were published at Daily Caller.

To a degree, some of what Trump was/is doing was started under Obama when there was a big surge of immigrants flooding into the U.S. from all the bad problems in Central America back in 2014.

Even a few of the images that are being floated around on the ‘net are from detention centers that were operating during Obama’s time.

What I need to do for my own education is find how those centers came about, what their policies were, how long were people detained, etc.

Anyone have any articles or stats on Obama’s putting families or individuals of differing ages into detention centers and how that compares to what Trump is doing now.

I like to keep things in perspective and deal with truths. As I said, some of this bugs me.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:22:19am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:22:40am

re: #151 Dave In Austin

Feel free to chime in…. Assholes

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Dave, I’ll take Tone Deaf Assholes for 800.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:23:02am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:23:36am

re: #153 jaunte

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I have my own criticisms of Obama’s immigration policies but a lot of this outright crap and Holder and Lynch unlike Sessions didn’t make asylum harder to obtain.

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Dizzy  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:24:02am

Is Avenatti too good to be true? I sure hope not.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:24:09am
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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:24:15am

This is huge. The Supreme Court has ruled Quill is invalid.

Wayfair v. South Dakota.

Because the physical presence rule of Quill is unsound and incorrect, Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, 504 U. S. 298, and National Bellas Hess, Inc. v. Department of Revenue of Ill., 386 U. S. 753, are over-ruled. Pp. 5-24.(a) An understanding of this Court’s Commerce Clause principles and their application to state taxes is instructive here.

Kennedy delivered opinion, with Thomas, Ginsberg, Alito, and Gorsuch (Thomas and Gorsuch also filed concurring opinions).

Roberts, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan filed the dissenting opinion.

Generally, states cannot impose undue burden on interstate commerce, and state laws that discriminate against interstate commerce are per se rule of invalidity. This is central to the whole purpose and operation of the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution.

The Court is ending the physical presence rule in Quill.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:24:30am

re: #153 jaunte

I seem to recall conservatives claiming that Obama was actually just waiving everybody in, open borders and all that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:26:43am

re: #160 Sir John Barron

I seem to recall conservatives claiming that Obama was actually just waiving everybody in, open borders and all that.

What I’d like osmeone to ask Ted Cruz is why his father was able to claim refuge status from Cuba but these kids cannot and to be honest these children are fleeing something much worse than Rafael ever did in Cuba. I’m not trying to downplay the Castros’ tyranny but fuck Cruz and Rubio both especially for how they love to brag about their immigrant families but are cold as hell to the immigrants of today.

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gwangung  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:26:47am

re: #159 lawhawk

This is huge. The Supreme Court has ruled Quill is invalid.

Wayfair v. South Dakota.

Kennedy delivered opinion, with Thomas, Ginsberg, Alito, and Gorsuch (Thomas and Gorsuch also filed concurring opinions).

Roberts, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan filed the dissenting opinion.

Generally, states cannot impose undue burden on interstate commerce, and state laws that discriminate against interstate commerce are per se rule of invalidity. This is central to the whole purpose and operation of the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution.

The Court is ending the physical presence rule in Quill.

Interesting majority there.

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electrotek  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:27:40am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

What I’d like osmeone to ask Ted Cruz is why his father was able to claim refuge status from Cuba but these kids cannot and to be honest these children are fleeing something much worse than Rafael ever did in Cuba. I’m not trying to downplay the Castros’ tyranny but fuck Cruz and Rubio both especially for how they love to brag about their immigrant families but are cold as hell to the immigrants of today.

They’re not fleeing from head-chopping bearded jihadis that they can exploit for their Crusade against Muslims so why would they give two shits about Hispanic Christians?

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b.d.  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:27:49am

re: #157 Dizzy

Is Avenatti too good to be true? I sure hope not.

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I think we might be seeing him transform into a bald Gloria Allred right before our eyes…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:28:45am

re: #163 electrotek

They’re not fleeing from head-chopping bearded jihadis that they can exploit for their Crusade against Muslims so why would they give two shits about Hispanic Christians?

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:28:51am

re: #62 Belafon

I don’t think the administration has kept records precisely because they don’t want a trail to follow.

If I had a million to spare, I would pay private investigators to go find all of these places.

It’s like responding to the charge of all the missing children by saying “you don’t want the government tracking them after they’ve left”.
No, I want the government to say WHERE those children were sent and WHY. The government won’t/can’t even do that.

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Weaselone  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:30:15am

re: #122 Belafon

Biology question:

Let’s assume we’re going to send a group of people off to colonize another planet, and that we’re going to send one group of people. Assume that we’ve solved all of the normal challenges to make sure the group survives, food, air, etc. What’s the minimum number of people we would have to send to ensure enough genetic diversity for the group to flourish into a full human population? In other words, how many people would have to be sent so that we don’t start getting issues such as what happens when relatives procreate.

You can send fewer people if you send along supplemental genetic diversity in test tubes.

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Dizzy  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:30:39am

re: #164 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

I think we might be seeing him transform into a bald Gloria Allred right before our eyes…

I think he’s even better (so far). He is naturally media savvy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:30:45am

‘Cording ot Buzzfeed, they still can’t find the little Honduran girl we’ve seen pictured. Goddamn it man. Like goddamn it at all. Like it must be really nice when the biggest thing pissing you off is NFL players kneeling for the anthem or you not wanting to acknowledge LGBT people. I have really a lack of patience with some of my fellow white people and it’s growing thinner and thinner.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:32:23am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

They live in fear.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:33:16am

re: #170 jaunte

They live in fear.

They do. They have this fear of losing “our culture”. Our culture? It’s always been influx. Man I’m just sick of it.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:33:30am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:34:12am

These goddamn Trump supporters think immigrants should follow the law. Not one peep from them about Sessions and Jared lying and withholding information from their federal forms which unlike being undocumented is actually a felony.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:34:22am
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electrotek  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:36:09am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

These goddamn Trump supporters think immigrants should follow the law. Not one peep from them about Sessions and Jared lying and withholding information from their federal forms which unlike being undocumented is actually a felony.

None of them followed the law when they were drinking at frat parties underage.

None of them bother to follow the law when they exceed the speed limit and get a citation for it (suddenly #BlueLivesMatters turn into #FuckTheCops as a result of that)

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:37:01am

re: #159 lawhawk

This is huge. The Supreme Court has ruled Quill is invalid.

Wayfair v. South Dakota.

Kennedy delivered opinion, with Thomas, Ginsberg, Alito, and Gorsuch (Thomas and Gorsuch also filed concurring opinions).

Roberts, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan filed the dissenting opinion.

Generally, states cannot impose undue burden on interstate commerce, and state laws that discriminate against interstate commerce are per se rule of invalidity. This is central to the whole purpose and operation of the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution.

The Court is ending the physical presence rule in Quill.

This is out of my area of expertise. What are the implications, both good and bad?

Edit: In my very naïve thinking, this would invalidate both blocking weed and guns.

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ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:37:24am

re: #160 Sir John Barron

I seem to recall conservatives claiming that Obama was actually just waiving everybody in, open borders and all that.

That is one of the aspects of the whole back-n-forth of Obama did it too that is strange.

Trump says Obama was weak on immigration, yet the Daily Caller stuff and others are now arguing that Obama was just as bad.

Which is it?

Probable answer is who you support is who was/is right.

And of course the big question I have is; was Obama forced to do some of it because he couldn’t get any legislation to fix issues because as we all know McConnell and Boehner did nothing but obstruct?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:37:58am

re: #175 electrotek

None of them followed the law when they were drinking at frat parties underage.

None of them bother to follow the law when they exceed the speed limit and get a citation for it (suddenly #BlueLivesMatters turn into #FuckTheCops as a result of that)

Or when they smoke pot or jaywalk. I’m tired of double standard bullshit. Oh and don’t get me started on this delusional obsession that they’re just taking resources up. We could easily afford this even without tax hikes. Tehre’s so much waste we could cut. The problem is too many damn Americans lie to themselves about how they got where they got.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:39:33am

re: #177 ObserverArt

That is one of the aspects of the whole back-n-forth of Obama did it too that is strange.

Trump says Obama was weak on immigration, yet the Daily Caller stuff and others are now arguing that Obama was just as bad.

Which is it?

Probable answer is who you support is who was/is right.

And of course the big question I have is; was Obama forced to do some of it because he couldn’t get any legislation to fix issues because as we all know McConnell and Boehner did nothing but obstruct?

I think your answer is the correct answer. I think Obama wanted to do more legislatively but McConnell and Ryan definitely blocked him. I know how Obama operated. He wanted DREAM to be passed via Congress. If he had his way, DACA would have been done on a legislative level for the same reason health care reform was- to ensure its long lastingness.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:40:17am

Always the appeal to fear, because conservatives live in fear.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:41:20am

re: #180 jaunte

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Always the appeal to fear, because conservatives live in fear.

You know who more or less benefited form open borders, Paul, Ayn Rand. Just shut up you dead eyed crooked son of a bitch.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:41:53am

Fear of death, fear of life, fear of the other, fear of being powerless, fear of brown people, fear of different food, fear of generosity.
Zero-sum life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:42:17am

re: #160 Sir John Barron

I seem to recall conservatives claiming that Obama was actually just waiving everybody in, open borders and all that.

and giving free Disneyland passes to MS-13 members and their pregnant girlfriends

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:44:24am

All modern conservatism is based in fear. The sooner people get that, the sooner they’ll get Trump’s appeal.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:44:56am

They try to pass the fear on to others by being oppressive and cruel, but it doesn’t work. There’s too much of it inside, and it keeps growing.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:45:20am

The gun collections have to get bigger.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:45:27am
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:45:50am

The laws have to get more draconian, because they don’t get rid of the fear.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:47:39am

Events are starting to confirm what I have hoped: that this was the one step too far to please the base that wound up alienating everyone outside the rabid 27%.

Seems that even people who generally agree with Trump on immigration did not go for separating families. And only the sickest sociopath could approve of letting children get lost in the system never to see their families again.

Why did it have to take dead school children and crying refugee kids to finally start to turn things around?

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Lupin  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:48:06am

According to Education Week, Puerto Rico’s Department of Education plans to close 263 schools this year. That represents 25 percent of all of the island’s public schools

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:49:10am

re: #190 Lupin

According to Education Week, Puerto Rico’s Department of Education plans to close 263 schools this year. That represents 25 percent of all of the island’s public schools

I also read that the State University will have to shut down, as it was already operating on a shoestring with some staff working pro bono.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:49:24am
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William Lewis  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:50:04am

re: #176 Belafon

This is out of my area of expertise. What are the implications, both good and bad?

Edit: In my very naïve thinking, this would invalidate both blocking weed and guns.

It means that everything bought from Amazon (and etc) gets taxed and their costs (tracking money to each state) will go up increasing cost as well. I’ll bet at least some states (the ones without income tax first) will jack sales tax on mail order to take full advantage of this economic illiteracy. In the long run this will hurt the economy though not as badly as if Quill had never been law. Still, to my IANAL mind, it seems a bad decision.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:50:48am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Events are starting to confirm what I have hoped: that this was the one step too far to please the base that wound up alienating everyone outside the rabid 27%.

Seems that even people who generally agree with Trump on immigration did not go for separating families. And only the sickest sociopath could approve of letting children get lost in the system never to see their families again.

Why did it have to take dead school children and crying refugee kids to finally start to turn things around?

I think people speaking up helped. The Parkland kids spoke up because of their age in a way the children of Sandy Hook couldn’t and with the border, I think maybe even those people had something click but it needs to result in actually voting against the enablers of said policies. SE Cupp stupidly likened Schmidt’s departure to becoming a Yankees fan.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:50:55am

I started the immigration process to come to the U.S. back in 2006, before Obama was even President and believe me when I tell you the system has been a mess for quite some time now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:53:01am

Still blaming Obama

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:54:07am

re: #195 Eclectic Cyborg

I started the immigration process to come to the U.S. back in 2006, before Obama was even President and believe me when I tell you the system has been a mess for quite some time now.

We have needed comprehensive immigration reform for a very long time. It started with the Amnesty in 1988 but stalled after that.

It is one of the few things that GW Bush was in favor of that I supported, but his own party would not go along with him on it.

Too many vested economic interests in having a pool of cheap and easily exploited labor.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:54:53am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Still blaming Obama

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That’s because he was busy trying to fix a huge economic mess that YOUR PARTY created, Mr. Ryan.

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makeitstop  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:54:57am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Still blaming Obama

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Christ, what an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:54:58am

re: #195 Eclectic Cyborg

I started the immigration process to come to the U.S. back in 2006, before Obama was even President and believe me when I tell you the system has been a mess for quite some time now.

I think it does have its roots in how the GOP base reacted to one of the few domestic policies Bush did that I approve of. I honestly don’t know what it is about GWB that makes him more empathetic towards immigrants than most men of his ideology and party but for whatever reason he was. The disappointment to me is there unfortunately are some people on the left who buy the taking jobs bs, crime bs, etc. Not just Sanders but I’ve sometimes seen it out of my own family members who have some sympathy but not enough IMO.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:55:19am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

. Speaker Ryan: “Don’t forget for a second here, when Barack Obama was president for a while he had 60 votes in the Senate and a huge majority in the House, and he didn’t do anything to fix the broken immigration system. Nothing. And they had total control of government.”

at least they fixed health care - at least until you fuckers came along

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electrotek  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:55:47am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

I think it does have its roots in how the GOP base reacted to one of the few domestic policies Bush did that I approve of. I honestly don’t know what it is about GWB that makes him more empathetic towards immigrants than most men of his ideology and party but for whatever reason he was. The disappointment to me is there unfortunately are some people on the left who buy the taking jobs bs, crime bs, etc. Not just Sanders but I’ve sometimes seen it out of my own family members who have some sympathy but not enough IMO.

What’s even more pathetic is seeing those who obviously immigrated to this country whine about recent arrivals “taking their jobs”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:55:59am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Still blaming Obama

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They had control for not even a year. Stop blaming Obama for your failures Paul, you miserable marathon time lying, Ayn Rand worshipping, fake smiling, goatfucker.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:57:08am

re: #202 electrotek

What’s even more pathetic is seeing those who obviously immigrated to this country whine about recent arrivals “taking their jobs”.

What pisses me off is NRO gladly ran the columns of John Derbyshire for years and his rants against illegal immigrants while Derbyshire himself was one. What’s a matter NRO couldn’t find a “real Merican” to write your nativisit shit spiels?

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makeitstop  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:57:51am

Thread. I know some people here don’t like or trust Wilson, but he speaks some basic truths here.

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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:58:28am

re: #176 Belafon

This is out of my area of expertise. What are the implications, both good and bad?

Edit: In my very naïve thinking, this would invalidate both blocking weed and guns.

Nope. This is limited to taxability of goods and services. It means a company in state X doing business in Y would have to collect Y’s tax and remit depending on what the state has identified as threshold for “doing business”.

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danarchy  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:59:28am

I love how Ryan kept saying they didn’t want to pass a bill that the president would veto because what’s the point. I forget, how many times did they vote to repeal the ACA when Obama was president…

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Winston_Smith  Jun 21, 2018 • 8:59:29am

re: #176 Belafon

Supreme Court rules that states can force online shoppers to pay sales tax
SCOTUS overturned a 1992 precedent barring states from requiring businesses with no “physical presence” in that state to collect sales taxes.
The ruling is likely to lead other states to try to collect sales tax on purchases from out-of-state online businesses more aggressively.

Published 1 Hour Ago Updated 32 Mins Ago
Reuters

States have broad authority to force online retailers to collect potentially billions of dollars worth of sales taxes, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on Thursday, siding with South Dakota in its high-profile fight with e-commerce companies.

The justices, in a 5-4 ruling against Wayfair, overstock.com and Newegg, overturned a 1992 Supreme Court precedent that had barred states from requiring businesses with no “physical presence” in that state, like out-of-state online retailers, to collect sales taxes.

The court, in a ruling authored by conservative Justice Anthony Kennedy, revived a 2016 South Dakota law that required larger out-of-state e-commerce companies to collect sales tax, a mandate that the online retailers fought in court.

cnbc.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:00:08am

re: #207 danarchy

I love how Ryan kept saying they didn’t want to pass a bill that the president would veto because what’s the point. I forget, how many times did they vote to repeal the ACA when Obama was president…

The press should ask him about exactly that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:02:16am
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ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:02:25am

re: #190 Lupin

According to Education Week, Puerto Rico’s Department of Education plans to close 263 schools this year. That represents 25 percent of all of the island’s public schools

My friend that lives on the Puerto Rico isle of Vieques and goes to the main island all the time says many people are leaving Puerto Rico and moving to America or elsewhere.

She said Vieques is probably down at least 25% in population as many lost jobs, homes…reasons to stay.

It may all be related to less need for some of the schools.

My friend’s main thinking as to why Vieques is not being helped right now is to drive people out so the island can be taken over by…wait for it…developers!

It is a beautiful island with some of the nicest beaches and clear waters in the world.

Sounds like a good place for a Trump property.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:03:48am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read about this, that we are all descended from one of 5,000 mothers. We and cheetahs are a genetic mess because of it.

In an unrelated topic, I really, really want a cigarette right now but have quit.

I was told that cheetahs are supposed to be descended from seven individuals.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:05:02am

re: #125 sagehen

I would think 20 couples should be sufficient.

Also no matter what you do, since they are human, there will be instances of cross breeding among that initial group of couples.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:05:08am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Events are starting to confirm what I have hoped: that this was the one step too far to please the base that wound up alienating everyone outside the rabid 27%.

Seems that even people who generally agree with Trump on immigration did not go for separating families. And only the sickest sociopath could approve of letting children get lost in the system never to see their families again.

Why did it have to take dead school children and crying refugee kids to finally start to turn things around?

Things white American’s don’t:
They don’t immigrate from Mexico or places further south.
They don’t have brown skin.

Things white Americans do:
They have kids.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:08:53am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:10:25am

Paul Ryan who met with Eric Cantor and Kevin McCarthy on Obama’s inauguration day about ways to disrput Obama’s agenda complaining about Obama. How fucking dare you Paul.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:16:11am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:16:57am

re: #217 Patricia Kayden

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This is some straight up Nazi shit.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:17:29am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

This is some straight up Nazi shit.

Not even trying to hide it anymore :(

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:17:41am

I wonder how many children have already died. How many severely ill? There’s a special place for these sons of bitches.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:17:54am

re: #215 jaunte

I thought Ryan wouldn’t bring a bill to the floor unless it had majority Republican support. Why is he depending on the dreaded Democrats now?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:18:06am

re: #219 Teukka

Not even trying to hide it anymore :(

I know. It makes me so feel so angry.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:18:17am

re: #214 Belafon

Things white American’s don’t:
They don’t immigrate from Mexico or places further south.
They don’t have brown skin.

Things white Americans do:
They have kids.

I would like to think that most White Americans have a sense of basic decency that goes beyond rabid political ideology.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:18:33am

re: #219 Teukka

Not even trying to hide it anymore :(

Actually, they were trying to hide it. But people started wanting to know.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:19:08am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would like to think that most White Americans have a sense of basic decency that goes beyond rabid political ideology.

I would like to think so too as a white man but we honestly don’t. We wouldn’t have been the driving force behind Trump if we mostly did.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:19:33am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

I wonder how many children have already died. How many severely ill? There’s a special place for these sons of bitches.

How many kids have they (the authorities) said they can’t find or they don’t know where they are?

Things that make you go “hmmm……”

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:20:05am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would like to think that most White Americans have a sense of basic decency that goes beyond rabid political ideology.

They do, but most of them don’t tend to think about a whole lot of stuff until it’s put in front of their faces. The fact that Trump crossed a line by separating families finally got the news to notice, and when they did, most people finally got to see it.

It’s similar to the reaction when cameras finally went into the south in the 50s.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:20:20am

re: #226 Dr Lizardo

How many kids have they (the authorities) said they can’t find or they don’t know where they are?

Things that make you go “hmmm……”

We were warned about this shit. Fucking warned. But no the Trumpers and their stupid anxieties about changing America.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:21:07am

re: #227 Belafon

They do, but most of them don’t tend to think about a whole lot of stuff until it’s put in front of their faces. The fact that Trump crossed a line by separating families finally got the news to notice, and when they did, most people finally got to see it.

It’s similar to the reaction when cameras finally went into the south in the 50s.

I really really hope that translates into results at the polls. Every last elected Republican needs to find themselves without a job.

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Lupin  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:21:33am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would like to think that most White Americans have a sense of basic decency that goes beyond rabid political ideology.

I don’t know. How much is “most”? When 43% approve of Trump, at some point we’re going to have to use the word “evil”.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:24:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:24:22am

re: #231 MsJ

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A hero for our times.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:26:02am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

This is some straight up Nazi shit.

Considering the core of the conservative base these days…yep, makes perfect sense.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:26:45am

I never saw any of the conservatives who are saying Obama did this too praise Obama’s immigration policies, no instead I saw them especially Trump claim the opposite. Obama’s immigration policy may not have been what I have done but the right is revising history because deep down many of them know this is fucked up and wrong but they don’t care. They just have to appease their stupid base, most of whom will never even interact with an immigrant.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:27:50am

re: #233 Eclectic Cyborg

Consider the core of the conservative base these days…yep, makes perfect sense.

I know. For a time in Bush’s second term, I used to think I could try to understand their positions. I didn’t agree but I thought they just wanted a different path to the same thing. I’m not getting that these days from the right. I’m getting people who want to return to a past that never existed and people who are full out bigots.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:28:30am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I never saw any of the conservatives who are saying Obama did this too praise Obama’s immigration policies, no instead I saw them especially Trump claim the opposite. Obama’s immigration policy may not have been what I have done but the right is revising history because deep down many of them know this is fucked up and wrong but they don’t care. They just have to appease their stupid base, most of whom will never even interact with an immigrant.

Obama didn’t do the stuff Trump is doing. He ended the governments contracts with private prisons. He didn’t separate families. He shifted ICE enforcement to real criminals.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:28:45am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I would like to think so too as a white man but we honestly don’t. We wouldn’t have been the driving force behind Trump if we mostly did.

Starting a few years ago, there were quite a few news reports about America becoming a minority-majority nation sometime by the middle of this century.

I read them, and found them interesting - in other words, I took it calmly. After all, an American is an American and it makes no difference to me their race, color or creed.

However…..a sizable segment of the White population seems to have read those same reports and gone absolutely, 100% certified batshit insane.

It’s fear. Their fear, their absolute pants-shitting fear, that they’ll be a demographic minority. And President Obama’s election in 2008 and re-election in 2012 likely only served to send their fear, paranoia and racial resentment into the stratosphere.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:28:56am

If you really think this was Obama’s policy. Fuck, be better and more humane than Obama. Seriously I fucking dare ya.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:29:08am

re: #237 Belafon

Obama didn’t do the stuff Trump is doing. He ended the governments contracts with private prisons. He didn’t separate families. He shifted ICE enforcement to real criminals.

I know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:30:20am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

This is some straight up Nazi shit.

Do be careful in checking provenance: expect some serious ratfucking and releasing false stories that can be “revealed” to be “fake news” so as to cast doubt on all stories concerning abuses of refugee children.

Just do not ease up on the GOP until ALL the children have been reunited with their families.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:30:26am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

Starting a few years ago, there were quite a few news reports about America becoming a minority-majority nation sometime by the middle of this century.

I read them, and found them interesting - in other words, I took it calmly. After all, an American is an American and it makes little difference to me their race, color or creed.

However…..a sizable segment of the White population seems to have those same reports and gone absolutely, 100% certified batshit insane.

It’s fear. Their fear, their absolute pants-shitting fear, that they’ll be a demographic minority. And President Obama’s election in 2008 and re-election in 2012 likely only served to send their fear, paranoia and racial resentment into the stratosphere.

Absolutely. I don’t mind the change either. It’s no different than us having become more Catholic influenced by the 2nd half of last century than we were in the century prior. An American’s an American whether he can go back to Plymouth Rock or got their naturalization in the Trump years.

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gwangung  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:31:02am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. I don’t mind the change either. It’s no different than us having become more Catholic influenced by the 2nd half of last century than we were in the century prior. An American’s an American whether he can go back to Plymouth Rock or got their naturalization in the Trump years.

Heh. Some of us aren’t white. So, like……we’re saying, join the club.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:31:42am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do be careful in checking provenance: expect some serious ratfucking and releasing false stories that can be “revealed” to be “fake news” so as to cast doubt on all stories concerning abuses of refugee children.

Just do not ease up on the GOP until ALL the children have been reunited with their families.

Did you not see that this is an ongoing lawsuit with documents and interviews? At this point, Trump’s cult would dismiss the death camps of Hitler as “fake news” if done inTrump’s name.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:32:08am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. I don’t mind the change either. It’s no different than us having become more Catholic influenced by the 2nd half of last century than we were in the century prior. An American’s an American whether he can go back to Plymouth Rock or got their naturalization in the Trump years.

Exactomundo.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:32:27am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I would like to think so too as a white man but we honestly don’t. We wouldn’t have been the driving force behind Trump if we mostly did.

a rabid minority of less that 30% served as the base, the GOP just needed to get enough people to tacitly go along, convincing them that Hillary was worse or that there was no difference…voter suppression played a role to.

But apathy and indifference are the most beneficial forms of voter suppression for the GOP with a motivated base that they can count on for 30%, they just need to top it up by enough to gain an electoral majority.

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:32:35am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t forget for a second here, when @BarackObama was president for a while he had 60 votes in the Senate and a huge majority in the House,

You mean those six months between seating Al Franken and seating Scott Brown?

Yeah. He spent that limited time doing health care. Doing it much slower and not as well as it could have been done were it not for unprecedented obstruction from Republicans and Joe Lieberman (but here I repeat myself).

Then he tried to do something on immigration, but unanimous Republican objections to every single thing, including such trivia as motion to proceed on debate about nominee for third assistant undersecretary to whatever dept, or consideration of judges, or just about any and every damn thing…

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:32:45am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:32:59am

re: #227 Belafon

They do, but most of them don’t tend to think about a whole lot of stuff until it’s put in front of their faces. The fact that Trump crossed a line by separating families finally got the news to notice, and when they did, most people finally got to see it.

It’s similar to the reaction when cameras finally went into the south in the 50s.

or when newsreel cameras started covering Vietnam

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:33:09am

re: #243 gwangung

Heh. Some of us aren’t white. So, like……we’re saying, join the club.

I read what Martin Freeman said about being one of the few whites in Black Panther. It was something to the effect of “Yeah, so? This is what black actors going through all the time.” I don’t mind being a minority. As long as we have reasonable laws and people, I’m good.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:33:23am

re: #217 Patricia Kayden

Is Reveal a legit source?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:33:45am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a rabid minority of less that 30% served as the base, the GOP just needed to get enough people to tacitly go along, convincing them that Hillary was worse or that there was no difference…voter suppression played a role to.

But apathy and indifference are the most beneficial forms of voter suppression for the GOP with a motivated base that they can count on for 30%, they just need to top it up by enough to gain an electoral majority.

Fact still is, a majority of white men and women who voted voted for Trump.

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:34:22am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

I think it does have its roots in how the GOP base reacted to one of the few domestic policies Bush did that I approve of. I honestly don’t know what it is about GWB that makes him more empathetic towards immigrants than most men of his ideology and party but for whatever reason he was.

Because Jeb’s wife is Columbian; he met her when he was an exchange student there.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:34:39am

re: #251 Winston_Smith

Is Reveal a legit source?

Silly question. Of course it is. There’s a blue checkmark.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:34:53am

re: #129 Belafon

Wow. That’s a lot bigger than I would have thought. Maybe that explains America. We started out way too thin.

maybe
then other ships kept arriving with more people from all over the place

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:35:51am

re: #253 sagehen

Because Jeb’s wife is Columbian; he met her when he was an exchange student there.

I think Jeb’s wife is from Mexico originally but you might be right about that. In any case, I appreciate that bit about him. There’s a lot I hate about the Bush presidency and honestly the man himself but he did realize what e plurbus unum meant.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:36:35am
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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:37:28am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:38:08am

re: #258 MsJ

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Trump should be proud. Even Bush didn’t get FNC to suck his balls that hard.

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:40:11am
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:40:50am
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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:40:59am

re: #158 jaunte

I’m not sure we’re emphasizing enough that Trump donors are making money off of caging children. That’s what puts this over the dystopian top.

there are so many aspects that put this over the dystopian top that i dont know what to do with the ability to immediately reunite families and still not doing it

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William Lewis  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:41:13am

re: #248 Teukka

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:42:46am
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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:43:19am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

What I’d like osmeone to ask Ted Cruz is why his father was able to claim refuge status from Cuba but these kids cannot and to be honest these children are fleeing something much worse than Rafael ever did in Cuba. I’m not trying to downplay the Castros’ tyranny but fuck Cruz and Rubio both especially for how they love to brag about their immigrant families but are cold as hell to the immigrants of today.

“it wasnt a problem then, it’s a problem now”

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:43:19am

re: #263 William Lewis

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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:43:57am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

It’s fear. Their fear, their absolute pants-shitting fear, that they’ll be a demographic minority. And President Obama’s election in 2008 and re-election in 2012 likely only served to send their fear, paranoia and racial resentment into the stratosphere.

Because no matter how much they try to pretend not to… they know how the US treats minorities. And they absolutely don’t want to be on the receiving end of what they’re all too happy to dish out.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:44:04am

Indifference is how it all works. I don’t think the average German of 1933-1945 possessed the hatred for the Jewish people that Hitler did but you know what it didn’t need that. All you needed was enough people to think “Hey, I’m not a Jew so why should I care about how these people are treated” or “I have my own problems.” And you know what, I get why people may slip into that feeling at times because I sometimes struggle but I keep on getting back to the fundamental point of where I see my own privileges and status and I imagine an 11 year old child with the same conditions I have whether it’s my heart condition, Asperger’s, anxiety, or whatever, and I want that chlid to have an as good life as possible. I was lucky and it had nothing to do with anything I did.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:44:21am

re: #22 JordanRules

Beautiful!!

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Great vid. Ped docs are one of kind. Either you are made for it or you’re not.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:45:04am

Are these kids being inoculated for “Anything” during intake?

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William Lewis  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:45:27am

re: #266 Teukka

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plansbandc  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:45:43am

re: #157 Dizzy

Can he be President?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:45:55am
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:46:19am

Melania is a ring girl at a boxing match. Just part of the smokescreen.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:46:34am
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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:48:05am

re: #256 HappyWarrior

I think Jeb’s wife is from Mexico originally but you might be right about that. In any case, I appreciate that bit about him. There’s a lot I hate about the Bush presidency and honestly the man himself but he did realize what e plurbus unum meant.

ah, you’re right. Her name is Columba, but she’s Mexican.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:48:06am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

WTFITS?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:48:46am

Looks like asshole is about to receive the platitudes…….

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:48:56am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Still blaming Obama

.@SpeakerRyan: “Don’t forget for a second here, when @BarackObama was president for a while he had 60 votes in the Senate and a huge majority in the House, and he didn’t do anything to fix the broken immigration system. Nothing. And they had total control of government.”

this is not about a “broken immigration system”

its aboyut taking children from their parents at the border

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Dr. Matt  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:49:03am

re: #274 jaunte

Melania is a ring girl at a boxing match. Just part of the smokescreen.

You’re giving her waaaaaay too much credit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:49:18am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Indifference is how it all works. I don’t think the average German of 1933-1945 possessed the hatred for the Jewish people that Hitler did but you know what it didn’t need that. All you needed was enough people to think “Hey, I’m not a Jew so why should I care about how these people are treated” or “I have my own problems.” And you know what, I get why people may slip into that feeling at times because I sometimes struggle but I keep on getting back to the fundamental point of where I see my own privileges and status and I imagine an 11 year old child with the same conditions I have whether it’s my heart condition, Asperger’s, anxiety, or whatever, and I want that chlid to have an as good life as possible. I was lucky and it had nothing to do with anything I did.

From what I’m read, anti-Semitic attitudes were fairly widespread in Germany at that time, but certainly not murderous, exterminationist anti-Semitism.

Hitler and the Nazis was the supercharger that turned those anti-Semitic attitudes lurking in the background, those toxic ideas hidden just beneath the surface, into the Holocaust.

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gwangung  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:49:43am

re: #276 sagehen

ah, you’re right. Her name is Columba, but she’s Mexican.

You know, actually, I think his proposal for immigration wasn’t bad (I recall a few bits that I had a problem with, but overall, not bad), and would have been something I could have accepted.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:50:22am

re: #277 Sir John Barron

WTFITS?

Junior Alcatraz.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:50:32am

you know all those “tent cities” (trump camps)

wanna bet the “guards” have a/c and other amenties in their no doubt separate facilities / buildings etc?

of course
otherwise unsafe work conditions and all that

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Citizen K  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:50:40am

When it rains, it pours.

When it pours, it floods.

We’re quickly at the point of figuring out what the second half of ‘When it floods,’ is….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:50:42am

re: #276 sagehen

ah, you’re right. Her name is Columba, but she’s Mexican.

Yeah but you had it right, Jeb was teaching English as a volunteer there. I think you’re right that it’s a factor. Alternatively, I think another factor was being a baseball team owner. He really got to be friends with many of those players and their families. I think W is sort of a sentimental guy so he realized if he could bond with you over baseball, a huge love of his, then he could understand your want to be an American. I mean I definitely have my gripes with his presidency obviously, in fact my entire political awakening as a teenager was in direct response to his fishy election in 2000 but I think he understood the American Dream better than most Republicans and even some lefties.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:51:28am

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

From what I’m read, anti-Semitic attitudes were fairly widespread in Germany at that time, but certainly not murderous, exterminationist anti-Semitism.

Hitler and the Nazis was the supercharger that turned those anti-Semitic attitudes lurking in the background, those toxic ideas hidden just beneath the surface, into the Holocaust.

Right, casual antisemitism was present in Europe for centuries.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:51:52am

OT. Shameless plug for a Swedish disaster flick, “Den Blomstertid Nu Kommer” / “The Unthinkable”:

Youtube Video

Den blomstertid nu kommer - Trailer 2 (2018)

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Winston_Smith  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:53:01am

News from Canada.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:53:12am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:53:35am

re: #217 Patricia Kayden

Never heard of Reveal before. Anybody know who they are?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:54:13am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Right, casual antisemitism was present in Europe for centuries.

It’s still here. It’s never really gone away. It’s still hidden under the surface.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:54:13am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:54:41am

JFC

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:54:41am

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

It’s still here. It’s never really gone away. It’s still hidden under the surface.

Yeah i should have clarified that.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:54:53am
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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:55:32am

re: #159 lawhawk

This is huge. The Supreme Court has ruled Quill is invalid.

Wayfair v. South Dakota.

Kennedy delivered opinion, with Thomas, Ginsberg, Alito, and Gorsuch (Thomas and Gorsuch also filed concurring opinions).

Roberts, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan filed the dissenting opinion.

Generally, states cannot impose undue burden on interstate commerce, and state laws that discriminate against interstate commerce are per se rule of invalidity. This is central to the whole purpose and operation of the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution.

The Court is ending the physical presence rule in Quill.

quill was ruled correctly
circumstances and technology changed over time
now the internet is mature, businesses are in place all based on and assuming quill

there are big sales tax dollars at stake

this is all about the size of the potential tax dollars driving the decision to upend quill

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:55:48am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Still blaming Obama

Well you’re in charge, now, buddy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:55:49am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:56:36am

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:58:03am

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

What “loopholes”?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:58:16am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 9:59:03am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:00:23am

No apology necessary for pointing out what’s real.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:00:29am

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

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He’s rambling. Seriously, he’s just President Old Man Yelling At Clouds.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:02:55am

re: #206 lawhawk

Nope. This is limited to taxability of goods and services. It means a company in state X doing business in Y would have to collect Y’s tax and remit depending on what the state has identified as threshold for “doing business”.

yup - each state is gonna be able to define “nexus”

Companies who thought they had no nexus find out they do “now”.
how far that can be stretched? cross-state audits, assessments you can’t respond to, rules you don’t know or understand.
Automatic penalties applying in states you don’t even know you’re in.
qualifies you to be responsible for corporate tax in that state

and this is only the first case

Imagine figuring out the tax law and arranging your affairs to avoid paying.
oh, wait, that’s what these guys did.

instantly, the entire world is now doing business in California.

I wonder if a company could be sued because it chose not to sell to a CA resident?

its gonna be a real mess

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MsJ  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:03:02am
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:03:52am
directing federal resources to abduct children at the border and dispersing them thru 17 states in secret

While hypocritically blustering against human traffickers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:04:08am

re: #307 MsJ

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Sucks to be you Corey.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:04:38am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. I don’t mind the change either. It’s no different than us having become more Catholic influenced by the 2nd half of last century than we were in the century prior. An American’s an American whether he can go back to Plymouth Rock or got their naturalization in the Trump years.

except the one’s they are reexamining and trying to “undo”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:05:08am

re: #308 jaunte

While hypocritically blustering against human traffickers.

They cry about how terrible Muslims are to women yet made domestic abuse not a factor for asylum.

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gocart mozart  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:05:19am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:05:32am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Sucks to be you Corey.

And just you watch - he’ll soon be whining about how he’s being persecuted and oppressed.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:05:47am
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Winston_Smith  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:06:16am

re: #307 MsJ

He’ll always have Fox Propaganda to turn to.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:07:03am

re: #315 DodgerFan1988

Last I saw, it was looking like Lopez Obrador was gonna win.

Is it still looking that way?

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:07:27am

re: #256 HappyWarrior

I think Jeb’s wife is from Mexico originally but you might be right about that. In any case, I appreciate that bit about him. There’s a lot I hate about the Bush presidency and honestly the man himself but he did realize what e pluribus unum meant.

should be right up there on the plaque with, well, you know:
“liberty and justice for pluribus

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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:07:53am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:10:24am

re: #319 Dave In Austin

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Ann Coulter? Hell, the Breitbrats are gonna be head-‘splodin’ any minute now.

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electrotek  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:10:30am

Some #tbt from 1991 here, very relevant in current times:

Human Nature by Gary Clail

What is it that makes a man
Gaze down from his penthouse suite
Watching those young children
Sleeping rough on the streets

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:10:47am

re: #319 Dave In Austin

Fake News!

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:11:23am

re: #319 Dave In Austin

Do we have to check on Ann? If so, I’m slow walking it.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:13:22am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

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look at those pictures
those kids did not do that shit on the walls behind them

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:14:29am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

Starting a few years ago, there were quite a few news reports about America becoming a minority-majority nation sometime by the middle of this century.

I read them, and found them interesting - in other words, I took it calmly. After all, an American is an American and it makes no difference to me their race, color or creed.

However…..a sizable segment of the White population seems to have read those same reports and gone absolutely, 100% certified batshit insane.

It’s fear. Their fear, their absolute pants-shitting fear, that they’ll be a demographic minority. And President Obama’s election in 2008 and re-election in 2012 likely only served to send their fear, paranoia and racial resentment into the stratosphere.

I think their fear is that fs they lose the majority that they will be treated as they treat minorities now. They know how shitty they are to minorities and they fear being treated the same. They think this just like criminals think everyone thinks like a criminal like they do, so they can’t trust anyone since they know they wouldn’t trust themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:15:36am

re: #314 Dr Lizardo

And just you watch - he’ll soon be whining about how he’s being persecuted and oppressed.

Of course.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:15:43am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

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.@POTUS: “For some reason, for 25, 30 years nobody ever looked at trade deals.”

they just sprang up and we were stuck with them

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:17:19am

re: #325 Eventual Carrion

I think their fear is that fs they lose the majority that they will be treated as they treat minorities now. They know how shitty they are to minorities and they fear being treated the same. They think this just like criminals think everyone thinks like a criminal like they do, so they can’t trust anyone since they know they wouldn’t trust themselves.

I’ve seen that yes. I don’t fear that because I don’t treat people differently based on skin color or whatever. I’m not ignorant of people looking different but truly to me, your skin color might as well you being blonde, it’s just something that makes you look different.

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I cannot.  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:18:05am

re: #271 William Lewis

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:19:12am

re: #267 sagehen

Because no matter how much they try to pretend not to… they know how the US treats minorities. And they absolutely don’t want to be on the receiving end of what they’re all too happy to dish out.

Exactly as I see it.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:19:26am

re: #298 Sir John Barron

Still blaming Obama

Well you’re in charge, now, buddy.

at the hospital in denver we kept asking the doc when, why, how did this happen to mrs dm’s lung?

doc said, patiently over and over:

we’re here now
here’s how we fix it
are you ready

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:19:45am

People need to be charged with crimes against humanity for this. Losing hundreds of kids in your custody is way beyond unacceptable.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:23:20am

re: #304 jaunte

I apologize for this content but… how is it that lying about a blowjob rises to the level of impeaching a past President, but directing federal resources to abduct children at the border and dispersing them thru 17 states in secret does not? #AmericanHorrorStory #MorningJoe

No apology necessary for pointing out what’s real.

the first was by a democrat, republican house
the second by a republican (and both houses of congress are republican controlled)

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:27:00am

re: #319 Dave In Austin

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BREAKING: Trump administration will stop prosecuting migrant parents who cross the border illegally with children, official says

they gonna vacate all those from the last 500+ days?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:27:47am

re: #332 Single-handed sailor

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People need to be charged with crimes against humanity for this. Losing hundreds of kids in your custody is way beyond unacceptable.

That’s what happens when the CoC describes them as animals and “not their best.”

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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:29:28am

re: #306 dangerman

yup - each state is gonna be able to define “nexus”

Companies who thought they had no nexus find out they do “now”.
how far that can be stretched? cross-state audits, assessments you can’t respond to, rules you don’t know or understand.
Automatic penalties applying in states you don’t even know you’re in.
qualifies you to be responsible for corporate tax in that state

and this is only the first case

Imagine figuring out the tax law and arranging your affairs to avoid paying.
oh, wait, that’s what these guys did.

instantly, the entire world is now doing business in California.

I wonder if a company could be sued because it chose not to sell to a CA resident?

its gonna be a real mess

It’s going to be a true wild west. Congress repeatedly punted on this. They had the marketplace fairness act that would have resolved these issues but it died in the House. One of the House Reps in charge of the Commerce Committee put his own proposal together and no one had a clue what he was going on about (Goodlatte).

States do have the Streamlined Sales and Use Tax Act, but that compact isn’t in force for all states, and it’s a voluntary thing. We might see more states move in that direction in standardizing language and laws, but again, they’ll have to consider the new environment without both Bellas Hess and Quill.

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gwangung  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:30:05am

re: #332 Single-handed sailor

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People need to be charged with crimes against humanity for this. Losing hundreds of kids in your custody is way beyond unacceptable.

This is a high crime and misdemeanor.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:30:42am

re: #248 Teukka

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:31:06am

re: #337 gwangung

This is a high crime and misdemeanor.

Sure is but it won’t merit a lock them up from the Trump Volk.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:37:07am
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BeachDem  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:37:19am

Fuck. Off. Melon.

That’s all I have to say about her “surprise” visit.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:38:58am
Trump administration will stop prosecuting migrant parents who cross the border illegally with children, official says

The dramatic about-face comes just one day after President Trump signed an executive order ending his administration’s widely denounced practice of separating families apprehended at the Mexico border.

Trump’s order said the government would maintain a “zero tolerance” policy toward those who break the law, but a senior U.S. official, when asked to explain how the federal government would change enforcement practices, told The Washington Post that Border Patrol agents have been instructed to stop sending parents with children to federal courthouses for prosecution.

We’re suspending prosecutions of adults who are members of family units until ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) can accelerate resource capability to allow us to maintain custody,” the official said.

They will restart it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:39:28am

re: #340 Dave In Austin

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Maybe because it’s bullshit Brad? But yeah keep on pushing that Chief. Makes you look real smart.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:39:29am

re: #341 BeachDem

Fuck. Off. Melon.

That’s all I have to say about her “surprise” visit.

Someone should ask her if she should be deported/loser her citizenship since she worked her without a green card.

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Kilroy was here  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:42:05am

re: #342 Belafon

They will restart it.

Yah they have to much money to be made. This way they can get ready with more tents and be able to handle the rush caused by the temporary change in policy.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:43:22am

re: #336 lawhawk

It’s going to be a true wild west. Congress repeatedly punted on this. They had the marketplace fairness act that would have resolved these issues but it died in the House. One of the House Reps in charge of the Commerce Committee put his own proposal together and no one had a clue what he was going on about (Goodlatte).

States do have the Streamlined Sales and Use Tax Act, but that compact isn’t in force for all states, and it’s a voluntary thing. We might see more states move in that direction in standardizing language and laws, but again, they’ll have to consider the new environment without both Bellas Hess and Quill.

Well at least two of us understand what’s going on. ;-)

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:44:14am

re: #337 gwangung

This is a high crime and misdemeanor.

It is quite literally a crime against humanity

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:46:29am

re: #332 Single-handed sailor

Consular officials are shifting into crisis mode, beginning to search for children as young as 9 months old who did not appear to have been carefully tracked by the federal authorities nytimes.com

— The New York Times

Yes, but tax cuts.

////

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:46:43am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:47:11am

re: #347 dangerman

It is quite literally a crime against humanity

We’re leaving that UN Council thing on Human Rights so it’s all good.

//

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:48:10am

re: #349 Kragar

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:49:02am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

.@POTUS: “For some reason, for 25, 30 years nobody ever looked at trade deals.” pic.twitter.com

— Fox News

Yeah, like when the country was debating NAFTA.

/

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:49:36am

re: #350 Sir John Barron

We’re leaving that UN Council thing on Human Rights so it’s all good.

//

One of the higher-ups in the UNHRC is talking about opening up an investigation for crimes against humanity.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:49:44am

re: #352 Sir John Barron

Yeah, like when the country was debating NAFTA.

/

Or the TPP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:49:58am

re: #352 Sir John Barron

Yeah, like when the country was debating NAFTA.

/

Trump probably really thinks if he didn’t see it, no one did. Hell my grand uncle was even drawn to Perot over NAFTA.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:50:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:50:47am

re: #353 Teukka

One of the higher-ups in the UNHRC are talking about opening up an investigation for crimes against humanity.

Honestly, I don’t blame them. This can’t go unpunished. And I know it’s going to bring those right wing UN paranoid fantasies to life but you know what, we deserve it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:51:53am

re: #356 Kragar

[Embedded content]

So what is this aide actually going ot do about that? Maybe you know not help Trump maintain his Congressional majority would be a good start. I think most Republican officials who know Trump probably dislike or eevn hate him on a personal level but he has them by the balls.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:51:57am

re: #251 Winston_Smith

Is Reveal a legit source?

It appears to be.
revealnews.org

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Winston_Smith  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:52:32am

re: #356 Kragar

Specifics would be nice.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:53:00am

re: #356 Kragar

Is that a real quote from a GOP aide or is Rick just doing satire?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:53:27am
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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:53:43am

re: #347 dangerman

It is quite literally a crime against humanity

Yessir. Not an ounce of hyperbole.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:54:25am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:54:49am

That teacher who said that we’re not at the beginning was correct. The beginning was Trump’s ascension in politics, think Hitler in Bavaria’s beer halls.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:55:27am

re: #364 Jebediah, RBG

[Embedded content]

Walk like a douche, my sooooooooooooon.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:56:17am

re: #361 Sir John Barron

Is that a real quote from a GOP aide or is Rick just doing satire?

Looking for more info. Was trying to see if anyone here had seen more about it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:57:00am

re: #367 Kragar

Looking for more info. Was trying to see if anyone here had seen more about it.

TBH I believe it. I’d be shocked if Wilson’s source intends to actually stand up to Trump and his party though.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:57:04am

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:57:49am

re: #369 Winston_Smith

[Embedded content]

while committing all the crimes.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2018 • 10:58:07am
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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:01:59am

re: #371 Charles Johnson

The most relaxed thing I want about our southern border is a work visa so that workers can come in and go back when seasons are over. This would reduce the number of families trying to get into the country.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:02:59am

Also, Donald, the opposite of the crimes against humanity you are allowing is not “welcome, everyone.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:03:38am

He acts as if previous policy was just to let anyone in. That’s not the case at all.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:05:30am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:06:32am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Shocker.

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:07:07am

re: #353 Teukka

One of the higher-ups in the UNHRC is talking about opening up an investigation for crimes against humanity.

I never thought I’d want this

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:07:20am

re: #371 Charles Johnson

Democrats want open Borders, where anyone can come into our Country, and stay. This is Nancy Pelosi’s dream. It won’t happen!

— Donald J. Trump

I realize the open-borders part of this is crap but hasn’t America always been about welcoming those seeking a better life, a nation where people can fulfill their dreams?

GOP hysteria about the border and MS13 is turning the GOP and American’s vision of itself into quite a dark, ugly thing, very much unlike its historical identity. (I know, this has been obvious for some time, but this tweet really illustrates it).

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:07:38am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

“If we can just get this out of the news, we can go back to separating families.”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:08:14am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

He has no idea what’s happening or what he signed yesterday.

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rhuarc  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:08:56am

re: #371 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

If there was any segment of a political party that was for open borders it would be the Libertarian wings of the Republican Party. But, of course, Trump is a dumb fuck who doesn’t understand politics and what different ideologies believe.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:10:07am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

He acts as if previous policy was just to let anyone in. That’s not the case at all.

Well, he probably does think that before Jan 20 2017 we just let absolutely everybody in.

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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:10:25am

re: #378 Sir John Barron

I realize the open-borders part of this is crap but hasn’t America always been about welcoming those seeking a better life, a nation where people can fulfill their dreams?

GOP hysteria about the border and MS13 is turning the GOP and American’s vision of itself into quite a dark, ugly thing, very much unlike its historical identity. (I know, this has been obvious for some time, but this tweet really illustrates it).

We are the most powerful nation on the planet but a toddler can destroy us.

This is the schizophrenic nature of the GOP right now. They live in constant fear, fed nonstop by Fox and Trump and endless parade of doom and gloom pronouncements how the American dream ended under Obama (it didn’t). The GOP now treats minorities as the enemy, women as the enemy, immigrants as the enemy (vermin/animals, etc.) and offer up walls, isolationism, and trade wars.

All this leaves us worse off economically, politically, socially, and undermines our standing in the world. We are worse off.

Now who does that benefit. It isn’t the US.

Russia and China, however, are loving this outcome.

384
Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:12:57am

re: #383 lawhawk

We are the most powerful nation on the planet but a toddler can destroy us.

This is the schizophrenic nature of the GOP right now. They live in constant fear, fed nonstop by Fox and Trump and endless parade of doom and gloom pronouncements how the American dream ended under Obama (it didn’t). The GOP now treats minorities as the enemy, women as the enemy, immigrants as the enemy (vermin/animals, etc.) and offer up walls, isolationism, and trade wars.

All this leaves us worse off economically, politically, socially, and undermines our standing in the world. We are worse off.

Now who does that benefit. It isn’t the US.

Russia and China, however, are loving this outcome.

It’s incredible this schizo attitude of many on the right that manages to combine both an irrational fear and an arrogant sense of grandiosity and power.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:13:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:15:59am

re: #384 Sir John Barron

It’s incredible this schizo attitude of many on the right that manages to combine both an irrational fear and an arrogant sense of grandiosity and power.

It’s what happens when you get told you’re the only real Americans.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:17:15am
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garzooma  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:18:16am

re: #381 rhuarc

If there was any segment of a political party that was for open borders it would be the Libertarian wings of the Republican Party. But, of course, Trump is a dumb fuck who doesn’t understand politics and what different ideologies believe.

The Wall Street Journal came out for open borders once.

Open Nafta Borders? Why Not?
By Robert L. Bartley
Updated July 2, 2001 12:01 a.m. ET
Reformist Mexican President Vincente Fox raises eyebrows with his suggestion that over a decade or two Nafta should evolve into something like the European Union, with open borders for not only goods and investment but also people. He can rest assured that there is one voice north of the Rio Grande that supports his vision. To wit, this newspaper.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:20:48am

re: #385 Kragar

So MAGA Drump has ended NK nukes with the stroke of a pen.

////

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rhuarc  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:21:02am

re: #388 garzooma

The Wall Street Journal came out for open borders once.

I personally have no problems with open borders. I’ve had that belief for a long time and now that I’ve been to the EU many times and just driven across country lines I REALLY don’t understand it.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:21:03am

re: #388 garzooma

The Wall Street Journal came out for open borders once.

Wow, WSJ, such RINO.

/

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:21:30am
393
DodgerFan1988  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:22:00am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:22:11am

re: #392 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Womp womp.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:22:25am

re: #390 rhuarc

I personally have no problems with open borders. I’ve had that belief for a long time and now that I’ve been to the EU many times and just driven across country lines I REALLY don’t understand it.

Same, I don’t think it’s as sinister at all as claimed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:23:05am

re: #324 dangerman

look at those pictures
those kids did not do that shit on the walls behind them

It’s all kayfabe/Potemkin/Theresienstadt

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Weaselone  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:23:53am

re: #393 DodgerFan1988

I’d go with between 7 and 8.

Although I would also say that although steps 1 thru 7 are ongoing, they haven’t been completely successful.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:24:16am

re: #392 Kragar

Change the laws! close the loopholes!!! Kill the dreams of would-be immigrants!!1

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:27:44am

re: #371 Charles Johnson

So, Dems like Schumer and Nancy want “open borders” but DJT’s family separation policy was really the same thing Obama did.

OK.

///

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:29:30am

re: #371 Charles Johnson

Democrats want open Borders, where anyone can come into our Country, and stay. This is Nancy Pelosi’s dream. It won’t happen!

— Donald J. Trump

This really is a dark, hateful, deranged tweet even for him.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:29:34am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Same, I don’t think it’s as sinister at all as claimed.

Oh, the horrors…

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:29:55am
403
Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:30:03am

re: #401 Kragar

Oh, the horrors…

[Embedded content]

This is the future that libs want…..

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:31:02am

re: #401 Kragar

Oh, the horrors…

[Embedded content]

Yep. Funnily enough I’m descended from a lot of people who lived near borders.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:32:04am

re: #403 Sir John Barron

This is the future that libs want…..

I still remember that one Trump adviser saying taco trucks on every corner. Then a few months later the BBQ place next to my office closed down and got replaced by a Tex-Mex place that has better and more variety in food.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:34:02am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:37:41am

re: #406 Kragar

They’re not very good at this, are they?

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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:38:02am

re: #401 Kragar

Considering that the US and Canada do not have a border fence for nearly all of the border, it looks very much like what you see there.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:39:25am

FOR REAL

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Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:39:52am
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sagehen  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:43:39am

re: #353 Teukka

One of the higher-ups in the UNHRC is talking about opening up an investigation for crimes against humanity.

Gee. If only we had a seat on that council maybe we’d be in a better position with regards to that investigation.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:44:32am
413
Scout  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:44:52am

re: #408 lawhawk

Considering that the US and Canada do not have a border fence for nearly all of the border, it looks very much like what you see there.

The Peace Arch State Park, in Blaine, Washington, is really cool:

An inscription reads: “May these gates never be closed.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:44:54am

re: #410 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

What….the

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ipsos  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:45:25am

re: #410 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

And if that had been Michelle Obama wearing that, I’m sure the social media universe would have been completely chill with it…

///////AAAUGHHHHHHHHH!!!/////////

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:45:34am

re: #412 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Your President supports RAISE, try again asshole.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:46:05am

re: #412 Kragar

More and more is seems Ds are party of illegal immigration while Rs are party of legal no immigration

— Senator John Cornyn

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:46:26am

re: #412 Kragar

It’s really too early in the day for Cornyn to be hitting the sauce like this.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:47:27am

re: #412 Kragar

So after the events of the past week, this is what Cornyn tweets out?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:48:55am

re: #419 Sir John Barron

So after the events of the past week, this is what Cornyn tweets out?

Of course.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:49:19am
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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:54:00am

re: #364 Jebediah, RBG

[Embedded content]

paul ryan is now kittens

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 11:57:35am

re: #407 Sir John Barron

They’re not very good at this, are they?

they never really were

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dangerman  Jun 21, 2018 • 12:00:16pm

re: #409 Stanley Sea

FOR REAL

[Embedded content]

The jacket that FLOTUS had on as she boarded the plane for Texas: a $39 Zara military jacket that said in large print on the back, “I really don’t care, do u?”

why would a first lady wear this ever?

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LadyBehir  Jun 21, 2018 • 12:10:30pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Did you not see that this is an ongoing lawsuit with documents and interviews? At this point, Trump’s cult would dismiss the death camps of Hitler as “fake news” if done inTrump’s name.

They are already dismissing the death camps. Deniers.

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retired cynic  Jun 21, 2018 • 1:36:55pm

re: #291 Sir John Barron

Never heard of Reveal before. Anybody know who they are?

Reveal is part of National Public Radio. I believe it to be quite reputable.


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