Donald Trump Calls Out His Cultish Followers to Attack Rep. Maxine Waters

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Last weekend, Rep. Maxine Waters encouraged her supporters to continue making Trump officials uncomfortable in public. Here are her exact statements:

“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents,” Waters said at the Wilshire Federal Building, according to video of the event.

“We don’t know what damage has been done to these children. All that we know is they’re in cages. They’re in prisons. They’re in jails. I don’t care what they call it, that’s where they are and Mr. President, we will see you every day, every hour of the day, everywhere that we are to let you know you cannot get away with this,” she added.

You may agree or disagree with this approach, but it’s pretty clear she’s not advocating violence. She’s talking about constitutionally protected free speech, to protest against people who are perpetrating a massive violation of human rights.

But this morning, our so-called president lied again about Rep. Waters, and made a pretty explicit threat that his followers will certainly pick up on.

Trump absolutely does not deserve the benefit of the doubt for this statement.

Waters didn’t “call for harm” to anyone. But Trump knows exactly how his cultish followers react when he calls them out like this; he did it over and over during his campaign rallies, encouraging them to physically attack protesters and even telling them he’d pay their legal bills if they were arrested for assault.

So here we are in June 2018, with the president of the US openly inciting violence against a sitting member of Congress.

And that’s not the only incitement he tweeted today.

Again, he knows exactly what his followers will do when he eggs them on like this — and they’re doing it. All over the web, Trump cultists are posting attacks on the owner of this restaurant, even inventing twisted Pizzagate-style conspiracy theories.

But don’t tell the Beltway media — they’re busy writing editorials and columns lecturing liberals on civility.

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619 comments

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:06:49pm

Pelosi rebukes Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters for urging supporters to confront Trump administration officials

Good plan. That should help the GOP keep the house. Maybe she should apologize too. Grovel some.

cnbc.com

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:09:03pm

Fuck off Nancy. How’s that for civility?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:10:02pm

The President is openly threatening a sitting Congresswoman and the people who control
our government don’t care.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:10:03pm

Aaaand here we go. Where we never ever wanted to go. Not when it was Vietnam, not when it was Nixon, not when it was forced busing, not when a couple elections were hanging chad close.

But here we are.

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:11:01pm

I fear for all African American women in DC, if the wingnuts can’t even attack the right Red Hen restaurant then my faith in them attacking the right African American woman isn’t too high either.

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:11:57pm

re: #2 Winston_Smith

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Fuck off Nancy. How’s that for civility?

Nancy is very busy keeping the powder dry….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:11:58pm

re: #5 b.d.

I fear for all African American women in DC, if the wingnuts can’t even attack the right Red Hen restaurant then my faith in them attacking the right African American woman isn’t too high either.

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You ain’t wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:13:02pm

Did she encourage harassment or to tell them they’re not welcome? Pretty tame comment considering the crap I saw directed at both Clintons and Obama.

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SteelPH  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:14:15pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Did she encourage harassment or to tell them they’re not welcome? Pretty tame comment considering the crap I saw directed at both Clintons and Obama.

Of course. “KILL OBAMA/HILLARY” is clearly far more civil.
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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:14:37pm
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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:14:40pm

re: #2 Winston_Smith

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Fuck off Nancy. How’s that for civility?

I want whatever drugs Nancy Pelosi is taking…

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:16:15pm

re: #2 Winston_Smith

Actually, Nancy, it was his separating children from their parents that started this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:16:19pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Actually. It applies to anyone tried in a US court hence why Colonel Abel in Bridge of Spies got representation.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:17:43pm

Amendment says no person not no citizen.

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meteor  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:18:06pm
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:18:38pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Actually. It applies to anyone tried in a US court hence why Colonel Abel in Bridge of Spies got representation.

The point of Gitmo was to keep them from getting due process and representation.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:18:45pm

Funny how they fret about an over powerful government when Obama was making health care more affordable but denying people due process by Trump is acceptable.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:19:04pm

“I’m a citizen!”
“I say you’re not, and out of the country with you!”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:19:17pm

Courts have ruled over and over that the Bill of Rights applies to all people, not just US citizens.

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Kragar  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:20:53pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:21:37pm

re: #16 Belafon

The point of Gitmo was to keep them from getting due process and representation.

Yep. A ridiculous claim. But at least these people have actually been detained within our borders so it’s even more assine.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:22:13pm

re: #20 Kragar

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Oh the bastions of liberalism that we’re the Burger and Rehnquist courts.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:23:08pm

Trump is so good at creating havoc he has liberals bashing each other over how to handle his total lack of civility.

Not good. Not good at all.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:23:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:24:35pm

Oh man, the nuts are out today.

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makeitstop  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:25:53pm

I dunno, guys. Pelosi’s ‘rebuke’ is pretty weak sauce. She doesn’t even mention Waters by name.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:26:08pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Oh man, the nuts are out today.

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On what fucking planet is Trump’s not a threat but Waters is. Stupid Trump cult.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:26:33pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Oh man, the nuts are out today.

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No options have been provided to report, ‘Too stupid for twitter’.

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:29:39pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I have a story about that. I was sitting my Con Law exam in 1987 and had written nearly an entire blue book about the rights available to a person with a student visa. But I forgot about due process. I felt like I sat there for five minutes trying to figure out what to do. I finally decided to write a “But Due Process under the 5th and 14th Amendments, blah, blah blah” to save my bacon. It was so stressful I still have nightmares 30+ years later.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:29:47pm
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Mike Lamb  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:29:47pm

Meh, I’m not going to get too bent over Pelosi’s tweet/comments.

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Kragar  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:30:03pm
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:30:42pm

re: #26 makeitstop

I dunno, guys. Pelosi’s ‘rebuke’ is pretty weak sauce. She doesn’t even mention Waters by name.

That’s what I was thinking. I just think she’s wrong about why people are reacting the way they are to Trump’s minions.

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Kragar  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:30:47pm

re: #31 Mike Lamb

Meh, I’m not going to get too bent over Pelosi’s tweet/comments.

Pelosi is setting up to be Speaker again, so she has to pretend to play nice.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:30:59pm

“… The Trump administration’s approach to combating illegal immigration appears to draw heavily on the counterinsurgency strategy employed in Iraq at the height of the war. Internment camps played a crucial role in establishing security in Baghdad and other major population centers during the troop surge years. However, the tactic of mass incarceration ultimately backfired in Iraq. It was at Cropper and its sister prison facility Camp Bucca where ISIS was born. And while there seems to be little risk of a radical insurgency springing from the tent cities being erected in the Rio Grande Valley, one thing is for sure: The existence of these camps will not make our country any safer. …”

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:31:33pm

re: #26 makeitstop

I dunno, guys. Pelosi’s ‘rebuke’ is pretty weak sauce. She doesn’t even mention Waters by name.

She made the rebuke as a reply to a tweet with the story about Waters which also includes her picture.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:32:25pm

re: #26 makeitstop

I dunno, guys. Pelosi’s ‘rebuke’ is pretty weak sauce. She doesn’t even mention Waters by name.

And the one who wrote about it at CNBC went back a month to get Pelosi calling impeachment ‘divisive’. Anything for clicks. A month is a long time, these days. That was before baby cages were in the news.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:32:30pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Oh shut up you inbred piece of Iowa trash, every Latin American is a gang banger to your ass. Just because you’re a bigoted coward doesn’t mean you’re right.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:33:27pm

re: #31 Mike Lamb

yeah, it was a mild rebuke. As much as I’d love to see her swinging for the fences as well she can’t.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:35:17pm
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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:35:21pm

re: #36 JordanRules

She made the rebuke as a reply to a tweet with the story about Waters which also includes her picture.

Should have said, doubled down on the initial rebuke.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:36:52pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:37:21pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

The US Supreme Court has ruled that this applies to all those in the US.

Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) ruled “due process” of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is “unlawful, involuntary or transitory.”

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A Mom Anon  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:37:26pm

I have shared this awhile back, but it applies even more now.

I am a domestic violence survivor. I have been in the position where I had to defend my life more than once. Bullies, liars, violent sociopaths, yay, lucky me. But here’s the thing, when you fight back, just enough to sit them on their asses hurt, shit changes. It’s also fucking dangerous as shit, but it won’t stop any other way unless you can get out under cover of darkness and stay gone. That’s not an option for me, and so I’m gonna fight the motherfuckers and call them out.

The thing I will never forgive isn’t just about destroying the country from within using every trick in the book, it’s having my heart broken by people I once loved and respected. I have lost all my friends and my closest relationships are in tatters from this stupid toxic, mostly male, warped ideals of manhood and community and what it means to be a citizen of this democracy. I’m pissed and it’s not going away.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:37:54pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I’ve also seen that the fucknut wants to shift NOAA into DHS.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:38:05pm

re: #18 jaunte

“I’m a citizen!”
“I say you’re not, and out of the country with you!”

And that’s rather the point lost on these morons, once you decide that the government may do whatever it likes to “those people,” there’s not really any barrier against your being lumped in with “those people.” The very laws and rules that the German people were told would only apply to “undesirables” were readily abused by the regime simply with the threat that one could find themself being deemed an “undesirable” if it so pleased the government.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:38:13pm

re: #45 lawhawk

I’ve also seen that the fucknut wants to shift NOAA into DHS.

OFFS

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:39:04pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

And that’s rather the point lost on these morons, once you decide that the government may do whatever it likes to “those people,” there’s not really any barrier against your being lumped in with “those people.” The very laws and rules that the German people were told would only apply to “undesirables” were readily abused by the regime simply with the threat that one could find themself being deemed an “undesirable” if it so pleased the government.

If they sincerely were opposed to big governmentc they’d get that but because they’re hypocrites, nope.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:39:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:40:39pm

Lre: #49 Charles Johnson

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And the violence against providers has been encouraged by right wing pundits and politicians and clergy who liken providers to Nazis.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:40:43pm

re: #34 Kragar

Pelosi is setting up to be Speaker again, so she has to pretend to play nice.

She’s also got a track record where she deserves about 150,000 benefits of the doubt.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:41:01pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:41:50pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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The rich donors of the GOP have been trying for decades to twist government agencies into being their puppets.

Trump’s just cutting out the middle men.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:44:32pm

re: #52 JordanRules

Really? This is where they’re going with this? JFC. Henry Kissinger isn’t some little innocent baby, his hands are both bloody and dirty.

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:44:43pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

You can report Trump’s tweet threatening Maxine Waters if you want to register your opinion with Twitter, but it’s futile. @jack has already stated clearly that Trump isn’t subject to the same rules as everyone else. They won’t do anything about it.

@jack is the twitter version of the current congress

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:46:19pm
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Kragar  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:46:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:46:47pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

Really? This is where they’re going with this? JFC. Henry Kissinger isn’t some little innocent baby, his hands are both bloody and dirty.

There’s policy disagreement between friends and there’s causing the destabilization of nations. Guess which one Kissinger did. Anthony no doubt knew Chileans who lost family and friends to Pinochet’s dictatorship.

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:49:17pm

re: #44 A Mom Anon

I have shared this awhile back, but it applies even more now.

I am a domestic violence survivor. I have been in the position where I had to defend my life more than once. Bullies, liars, violent sociopaths, yay, lucky me. But here’s the thing, when you fight back, just enough to sit them on their asses hurt, shit changes. It’s also fucking dangerous as shit, but it won’t stop any other way unless you can get out under cover of darkness and stay gone. That’s not an option for me, and so I’m gonna fight the motherfuckers and call them out.

The thing I will never forgive isn’t just about destroying the country from within using every trick in the book, it’s having my heart broken by people I once loved and respected. I have lost all my friends and my closest relationships are in tatters from this stupid toxic, mostly male, warped ideals of manhood and community and what it means to be a citizen of this democracy. I’m pissed and it’s not going away.

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petesh  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:49:17pm

re: #51 Mike Lamb

She’s also got a track record where she deserves about 150,000 benefits of the doubt.

Yes, Pelosi is playing both sides here, and doing so skillfully. I am really glad that the folks here recognize that. I stand with Maxine, and I believe Nancy has my back.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:50:01pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

Really? This is where they’re going with this? JFC. Henry Kissinger isn’t some little innocent baby, his hands are both bloody and dirty.

People are being tacky as fuck now that he’s not here to defend himself but Anthony’s own words speak for him. He would be fine not serving fascists especially if his kitchen staff voted on it. Anthony carried the fuck civility flag most of his life.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:50:17pm

re: #57 Kragar

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Steve’s big on self-fulfilling prophecies, as more wingnuts are. Force these young men “back home,” where MS-13 can then forcibly “recruit” them and grow its ranks. Because then he and his fellow racists can scream “SEE! WE TOLD YOU THEY’D JOIN MS-13!! WE WERE TOTALLY RIGHT TO THROW THEM OUT!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:51:18pm

re: #61 JordanRules

People are being tacky as fuck now that he’s not here to defend himself but Anthony’s own words speak for him. He would be fine not serving fascists especially if his kitchen staff voted on it. Anthony carried the fuck civility flag most of his life.

From what I saw from Anthony, he believed in welcoming people and not judging them on their place of origin. Bit different than saying Fuck Kissinger for the shit he did.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:51:45pm
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allegro  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:51:53pm

re: #31 Mike Lamb

Meh, I’m not going to get too bent over Pelosi’s tweet/comments.

Pelosi knows the game better than anyone. I trust her judgement to know exactly what she’s doing and why. I see her comment in a “good cop/bad cop” kinda way with both women having the same end goal and working together to achieve it.

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uncah91  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:51:54pm

Long time lurker, infrequent commenter.

I think all of the “tut-tutters” are off their rockers, but I think there are two “babies” in that bathwater.

“They did it so no one gets to complain when we do it” is never a good defense. Nor is “They did X so don’t complain when we do Y”. In addition, rage spirals are arguably what has given us the extremely unhealthy environment on the conservative side of the equation. And it is also the thing that drives the Susan Sarandons of the world. Being able to step back and think pragmatically is usually worthwhile (although not always).

Second, it’s pretty damn clear that the Trump admin is courting this shit. They WANT it to happen. Yeah, they can miscalculate, but it’s worth considering whether giving them what they want is the right call.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:52:27pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

Steve’s big on self-fulfilling prophecies, as more wingnuts are. Force these young men “back home,” where MS-13 can then forcibly “recruit” them and grow its ranks. Because then he and his fellow racists can scream “SEE! WE TOLD YOU THEY’D JOIN MS-13!! WE WERE TOTALLY RIGHT TO THROW THEM OUT!!!”

I hope a kickass pupuseria opens in his district and he’s denied entrance or they hire him to clean up the shit if he finally loses this November.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:52:41pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Fucking guns.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:52:46pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Another so-called responsible gun owner *facepalms*

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:54:07pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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And all the wingnuts will see is the line about IKEA not allowing guns in their stores and scream that they’ll never shop at an IKEA store ever again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:54:29pm

re: #69 Teukka

Another so-called responsible gun owner *facepalms*

No shit. Glad no one was hurt but this is exactly why I’m fine with stores and states banning guns like that.

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:55:05pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

An Indiana man’s gun fell out of his pocket when he sat on an IKEA couch. He then walked around the store without realizing his gun was gone. Children who sat on the couch found the gun and pulled the trigger.

jail
big fines
loss of 2a rights forever

the fact that no one was injured is irrelevant
and actually dumb luck

the potential harm should always be the standard

like pulling over a dui before anybody got hit

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:55:36pm

re: #65 allegro

Pelosi knows the game better than anyone. I trust her judgement to know exactly what she’s doing and why. I see her comment in a “good cop/bad cop” kinda way with both women having the same end goal and working together to achieve it.

dont doubt they may have talked first…

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:56:09pm

re: #66 uncah91

Agree: “They did it so no one gets to complain when we do it” is never a good defense.

A slight mod that’s more in line with what we’re saying: “They did X so THEY don’t get to complain when we do X”. They don’t get to complain about our incivility when they haven’t observed it in a long time, especially since all they do now is turn our civility against us.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:57:11pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There’s that well regulated militia again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:57:31pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

And all the wingnuts will see is the line about IKEA not allowing guns in their stores and scream that they’ll never shop at an IKEA store ever again.

Oh absolutely I can see them now. I’ve seen it done to restaurants and other businesses. Their right of course but it shows how stupid they are.

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petesh  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:57:39pm

re: #66 uncah91

Long time lurker, infrequent commenter.

I think all of the “tut-tutters” are off their rockers, but I think there are two “babies” in that bathwater.

“They did it so no one gets to complain when we do it” is never a good defense. Nor is “They did X so don’t complain when we do Y”. In addition, rage spirals are arguably what has given us the extremely unhealthy environment on the conservative side of the equation. And it is also the thing that drives the Susan Sarandons of the world. Being able to step back and think pragmatically is usually worthwhile (although not always).

Second, it’s pretty damn clear that the Trump admin is courting this shit. They WANT it to happen. Yeah, they can miscalculate, but it’s worth considering whether giving them what they want is the right call.

You have a point, actually two, BUT:

1. What is happening with the child separation/Red Hen matter is: They did X so we complain about X.

2. Yes, Trump loves to be hated. He does seem to be calling for an all-out (mostly political) war with his opponents (for instance, me, Babe, to quote Van the Man). He has given us no choice: Bring. It. On.

Trump’s popularity numbers are fairly stable but his negatives are going through through roof. Last I heard, 42% favored impeachment. That’s huge. We should not back down and we do not need to. He picked this fight and to save our own souls we need to win it.

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Kragar  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:58:04pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:59:02pm

re: #78 Kragar

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He’s not content with simply being sued, now he wants to court potential conspiracy charges.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:59:12pm

re: #78 Kragar

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I’m sure the Lexington PD would love to arrest your idiots for that, Alex.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 12:59:53pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

He’s not content with simply being sued, now he wants to court potential conspiracy charges.

He should know that Trump can’t pardon his ass here in Va.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:00:07pm
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uncah91  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:00:27pm

re: #74 Belafon

Yes, sure.

But … here is the thing. The tut-tutters are primarily Dem/Lib. Up thread is someone saying “Fuck Nancy Pelosi” for offering a mild and eminently practical “don’t lose your head just because everyone else is” statement.

So the statement isn’t really they don’t get to complain. In actuality a lot of people are saying “no one gets to complain because we are doing it to people who deserve it.”

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:00:46pm

re: #66 uncah91

…Second, it’s pretty damn clear that the Trump admin is courting this shit. They WANT it to happen. Yeah, they can miscalculate, but it’s worth considering whether giving them what they want is the right call.

Trumpies want violence unleashed. Waters wants to unleash civil not-niceness. No violence. That is not giving Trump and his minions what they want.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:02:20pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Trumpies want violence unleashed. Waters wants to unleash civil not-niceness. No violence. That is not giving Trump and his minions what they want.

I agree…yet I think it may be inevitable and I fuse to be a victim.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:03:01pm

I don’t think Nancy had to say anything. With this kinda timing it looks awkward at best and she could still project the respectable, above-it-all politics that some folks think new D voters will need. I don’t think that’s as big an influencer to get folks off their butt or flip soft R’s as people think but I know plenty disagree with that.

But she said it, people will react and Maxine still needs extra security.
Not gonna lose my shit over it but my eyes did roll.

It’s funny when you think about how and when the media finally give certain folks coverage. So many times it’s only in service to lazy media narratives.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:04:37pm

re: #85 Scottish Dragon

I agree…yet I think it may be inevitable and I fuse to be a victim.

When it comes to self defense, all options are on the table. Or should be.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:05:07pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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The presstitutes have moments where they show some measure of journalistic integrity, but that’s entirely dependent upon public opinion. They are always careful not to go so far as to have their access threatened.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:06:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:06:31pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:06:42pm

re: #89 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Can you say “extortion,” children?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:08:03pm

re: #89 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s not voluntary you twat.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:08:37pm

re: #29 mmmirele

I have a story about that. I was sitting my Con Law exam in 1987 and had written nearly an entire blue book about the rights available to a person with a student visa. But I forgot about due process. I felt like I sat there for five minutes trying to figure out what to do. I finally decided to write a “But Due Process under the 5th and 14th Amendments, blah, blah blah” to save my bacon. It was so stressful I still have nightmares 30+ years later.

We were in law school at the same time. I still occasionally have dreams about being late for an exam!

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:08:58pm

I am old enough to remember Mittens getting laughed at by wingnuts for talking about self-deportation.

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uncah91  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:09:28pm

re: #77 petesh

1. What is happening with the child separation/Red Hen matter is: They did X so we complain about X.

There is a difference between the ends you are trying to accomplish and the means by which it is accomplished. The tut-tutters are complaining about means, not ends.

If Cracker Barrel was refusing service to Richard Cordray because they didn’t like his stance on consumer protection, a) we’d think it was pretty stupid on a policy level, and b) we would also think there was something outrageous about refusing him a meal because they didn’t like his policies.

I’m just saying we shouldn’t confuse (a) for (b), or vice-versa.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:10:11pm

re: #94 b.d.

I am old enough to remember Mittens getting laughed at by wingnuts for talking about self-deportation.

Mitt really did inspire Trump. McCain and Bush, yeah I’m not a fan but neither ran on explicit xenophobia.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:10:42pm

re: #94 b.d.

I am old enough to remember Mittens getting laughed at by wingnuts for talking about self-deportation.

It was a joke, because in the end it was expecting that desperate people would turn away due to threats.

The administration decided the only way they’ll get compliance is to start taking hostages.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:10:46pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:11:44pm
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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:11:59pm

F*ck these horrible people in this administration.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:12:05pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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A week ago, she was afraid to stand in front of them because of the way the public was demanding answers.

A week hence, she’s perfectly comfortable standing in front of the same press because the public’s been lulled back into complacency via an “executive order.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:13:11pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Says the spokeswoman for the administration trying to say immigrants lack due process. Fuck you Sarah.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:13:17pm

re: #95 uncah91

There is a difference between the ends you are trying to accomplish and the means by which it is accomplished. The tut-tutters are complaining about means, not ends.

If Cracker Barrel was refusing service to Richard Cordray because they didn’t like his stance on consumer protection, a) we’d think it was pretty stupid on a policy level, and b) we would also think there was something outrageous about refusing him a meal because they didn’t like his policies.

I’m just saying we shouldn’t confuse (a) for (b), or vice-versa.

Yes we would. But I end my following that logic at the government separating children from their parents and losing them on purpose. That’s what makes this different. And that is my disagreement with Pelosi’s statement.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:13:29pm

re: #100 b.d.

F*ck these horrible people in this administration.

And fuck the journalists who enabled them.

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:14:39pm

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And fuck the journalists who enabled them.

I wouldn’t kick them out of my restaurant but I sure as hell wouldn’t eat the food that I’d end up serving them..

//?

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:14:49pm
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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:14:58pm
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:15:32pm
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:16:27pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

A week ago, she was afraid to stand in front of them because of the way the public was demanding answers.

A week hence, she’s perfectly comfortable standing in front of the same press because the public’s been lulled back into complacency via an “executive order.”

I think one of the requirements to become a journalist ought to be a reaction test: Throw streams of information at the person, and see if they can 1) filter through it to the important thing, 2) react to an attempted change by coming back to the topic, and 3) be able to change from the topic they want to talk about if something more important comes along.

I would fail my own test, but I know I wouldn’t be a good journalist.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:16:56pm

re: #106 jaunte

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You’re an English man with an Irish name living in the US, Andrew.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:19:28pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:22:02pm

The brother of one of my Dad’s friends died last week and so I spent yesterday helping my Dad’s friend and his daughter clean out their dead brother / uncle’s place. It was surreal, I’ve never seen such a disconnect between a man’s wealth and how he chose to live. The guy apparently had investments worth over a million dollars but he’d been living for over thirty years in this cheap one bedroom rathole apartment in Hawthorne that didn’t even have air conditioning. The place was a fucking disaster and it was pretty clear that he’d been clinically depressed for a very long time. It was so goddamned sad.

My main contribution was just confirming to the daughter of my Dad’s friend that she and her Dad didn’t owe the landlord jack shit by way of cleaning the place up. “They’ve been profiting off your uncle for decades, so fuck them” was my position. They were only in town for four days and didn’t call us down for help until the last day so the whole thing was going to be a shit show no matter what and it was time to recognize the futility in the situation. So we just did one final check for anything of potential value, put some of the more egregious piles of trash into bags to make it look a little less horrid and took them out for some very good Mexican food.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:22:03pm

She asked to be identified by only her first name.
Because she knows Trump cultists are thugs.

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Kragar  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:22:06pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:22:28pm

But but it’s libtards that lacks civility.

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nines09  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:24:44pm

re: #85 Scottish Dragon

re: #87 wrenchwench

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BlueGrl21  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:25:21pm

I’ve been struggling with the uncivility thing. I’ve gone back and forth over what the right path is. But then I remembered something…

When Dr. Tiller was killed I was pretty upset. Was going back and forth between blogs (hope none of you read Andrew Sullivan at the time). Then I stumbled onto Balloon Juice. And they weren’t sitting there wallowing in horror and hurt.

They were PISSED OFF.

It was a relief.

And that’s where I am. I am truly furious. And I don’t feel like being magnanimous. I want all of these people, every one, to know they are..not…wanted. That they are not going to get politeness from me. Fuck that. I’ve been polite since Clinton. It’s gotten us nothing but enabling as the Republican Party gets smaller, meaner, and nastier.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:25:29pm

re: #115 DodgerFan1988

But but it’s libtards that lacks civility.

“Name three traits white supremacists don’t have.”

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:27:45pm

re: #111 jaunte

[“The president would like to see more expedited removal,” Sanders said. But also a wall to avoid “all of these problems to begin with.”]

When they start taking the children on tourist visas whose parents outstayed their tourist visas, then we can talk about ‘all these problems’ having a ‘beginning’.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:29:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:30:32pm

re: #52 JordanRules

the entire quote:

Bourdain is famous for being able to see gray areas in other people and make nice. After famously lampooning Emeril Lagasse, the two became—if not friends—at least friendly. At one point during the New Yorker interview, Bourdain brought up Henry Kissinger, saying, “I’m a big believer in moral gray areas, but when it comes to that guy, in my view he should not be able to eat at a restaurant in New York.”

When the interviewer replied that Bourdain has a history of condemning people and then eating lunch with them, Bourdain exclaimed, “Emeril didn’t bomb Cambodia!”

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:31:31pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Sarah Sanders just repeated the outright lie that “Democrats want open borders.” Twice.

Not a single reporter challenged her on this lie.

white house press “briefings” are pointless

anyone could summarize it as “shs told one lie after another for 20 minutes”

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:32:19pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

the entire quote:

Perfection.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:33:55pm

re: #113 jaunte

It hasn’t been a crisis in years.

Border crossings are at multidecade lows.

But Trump’s turned it into one and has created yet more crises by shifting resources away from deporting actual felons and criminals while separating families and trying to deport people who are seeking asylum.

The Trump admin wants to run roughshod over the rule of law, and the feckless media in the WH press corps are enablers as well - because they know or damned well should know that the law protects people claiming asylum, that Trump’s policies are violative of the existing law, and that trying to deport people without due process is a huge Constitutional no-no.

Not that right wing white nationalists care about such things.

They think that they would not face deportation. That’s only for the “other”. Right up until the other turns out to be folks who the powers that be think you don’t measure up - you’re not sufficiently wealthy or healthy or what have you.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:34:36pm
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nines09  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:34:55pm

Remember Richard Spencer? Remember he got punched in the face? Remember he got called out? Remember how he got chased around? He got dogged. Got his ass handed to him.
Kind of quiet these days.

Hmmmm….

typos…

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Chrysicat  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:35:50pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:37:57pm

re: #100 b.d.

F*ck these horrible people in this administration.

And a Double F to the Presstitutes!

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:38:09pm

re: #89 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There is now evidence that immigrants are being coerced to sign “voluntary” deportation orders in exchange for the return of their kids.

Correction: in exchange for a verbal promise about the return of their kids; with zero guarantee that the promise will be kept, and no way to prove they ever made that promise. No way to even prove you even had a kid with you.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:39:53pm
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uncah91  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:40:48pm

I think Spencer got “quiet” after Charlottesville.

Whether it’s MLK, Ghandi, or Mandela, the long term path to success lies on a path that is steadfast, firm, unshakeable, implacable, impassioned … but never forgets the core humanity in (almost) everyone.

It’s not that I don’t sometimes fantasize about smacking these people upside the head and throwing them in the Rio Grande, hog tied and floating out to sea … and it’s not that some of them don’t deserve it … but, to flip the quote around, deserve’s got nothing to do with it.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:41:17pm

re: #125 Scottish Dragon

[This is truly odious. But we need to practice heroic self-restraint and courageous civility in the face of grievous provocation. Remember what the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. said: “Returning hate for hate multiplies hate.]

I’m a believer in non-violent resistance. But I always remember how it turned out for the Rev. Dr. MLK Jr., and his model, Gandhi. Also Bobby Kennedy, his older brother, Malcolm X, those folks at Kent State, and Jackson State, and Dr. Tiller, and on and on.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:42:30pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

I’m a believer in non-violent resistance. But I always remember how it turned out for the Rev. Dr. MLK Jr., and his model, Gandhi. Also Bobby Kennedy, his older brother, Malcolm X, those folks at Kent State, and Jackson State, and Dr. Tiller, and on and on.

And World War 2 happened. It had to happen.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:43:36pm
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:44:53pm

re: #134 JordanRules

We did kind and decent in 2008. In 2020 we need “stands up to Nazis.”

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uncah91  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:45:21pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

Ultimately most of those people won, though. And some of your examples are people killed by their own.

Gandhi was killed by someone who didn’t think he was sufficiently nationalist…

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:47:17pm

re: #136 uncah91

Ultimately most of those people won, though. And some of your examples are people killed by their own.

Gandhi was killed by someone who didn’t think he was sufficiently nationalist…

Honest question: Do you think the Civil Rights movement would have been as successful without the deaths of men like Dr. King or JFK?

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:48:14pm

re: #131 uncah91

I think Spencer got “quiet” after Charlottesville.

Whether it’s MLK, Ghandi, or Mandela, the long term path to success lies on a path that is steadfast, firm, unshakeable, implacable, impassioned … but never forgets the core humanity in (almost) everyone.

It’s not that I don’t sometimes fantasize about smacking these people upside the head and throwing them in the Rio Grande, hog tied and floating out to sea … and it’s not that some of them don’t deserve it … but, to flip the quote around, deserve’s got nothing to do with it.

80-20 rule. We’re seeing the 20% of the 20% that has no humanity, and they’re in charge.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:48:25pm

re: #122 dangerman

white house press “briefings” are pointless

anyone could summarize it as “shs told one lie after another for 20 minutes”

And just last week, Margaret Sullivan said:

And there’s little chance that news organizations will see the White House beat as anything other than a prestige assignment, a perch earned by the finest in the business.

If that’s the finest in the business, we are in some deep shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:49:00pm
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Kragar  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:49:40pm

re: #125 Scottish Dragon

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Citizen K  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:50:12pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

I’m a believer in non-violent resistance. But I always remember how it turned out for the Rev. Dr. MLK Jr., and his model, Gandhi. Also Bobby Kennedy, his older brother, Malcolm X, those folks at Kent State, and Jackson State, and Dr. Tiller, and on and on.

Thing is that even at the time, MLK realized that half the reason his movement could be as effective as it was is that he was able to present himself as a bulwark compared to the radical, violent movements, which he not only didn’t reject categorically, but sympathized with (“A riot is the language of the unheard”). He recognized that in part, he could present himself as a choice to moderate white America (which he had strong words for to begin with) and say ‘either you can deal with us…or you can deal with what’s out on the street. Make your choice’. And he was still treated as a psycho radical instigator stirring up violence as is.

Non-violent resistance is good when you can appeal to shame and basic humanity and make a firm juxtaposition with resolute non-violence. We’ve seen how far that can go these days with the NFL anthem bullshit…

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:50:24pm

re: #139 BeachDem

And just last week, Margaret Sullivan said:

And there’s little chance that news organizations will see the White House beat as anything other than a prestige assignment, a perch earned by the finest in the business.

If that’s the finest in the business, we are in some deep shit.

They see it as a pinnacle of their careers, and like many pinnacles, they’re scared shitless of having it taken from them. So they’ll play the games, they’ll be friendly with the people lying to them with straight faces, because they fear the alternative where they’re “kicked downstairs” for someone more amenable to being lied to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:50:38pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:51:21pm

re: #141 Kragar

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There are few things I find disingenuous as Dr. King’s words being twisted into a general message of compliance and complacency.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:51:24pm

re: #61 JordanRules

That’s part of why he was so awesome. He used food as a way in to understand and relate to different cultures. We all have food as a basic need, why not use it to be more than just physical nourishment? And to do that with a huge “fuck you I won’t do what you tell me”, is what made the man so interesting.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:52:15pm
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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:52:26pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

I’m a believer in non-violent resistance. But I always remember how it turned out for the Rev. Dr. MLK Jr., and his model, Gandhi. Also Bobby Kennedy, his older brother, Malcolm X, those folks at Kent State, and Jackson State, and Dr. Tiller, and on and on.

Add in Orangeburg, and I’m with you.

history.com

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:52:42pm
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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:53:16pm

Obligatory feel-good story of the day:

Turku hero Hassan Zubier got his medal today. Zubier intervened with peril for his own life to save the lives of others during the terrorist attack in Turku last year. This is the first time the Finnish life-saving medal imparted a non-Finnish citizen. Kiitos Hassan! ❤ finland.se

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Facebook Post

Translation:

Today, I was conferred as the first foreigner since the medal founding in 1923 the Finnish President’s Medal for lifesaving efforts. It was with great humility and honor I received the medal from Finland’s Ambassador Liisa Maria Talonpoika.

I share the medal with all those who chased the Terrorist and those who gave first aid to the victims after the attack

Thank you all the Finns and Swedes for your support, encouraging posts and love

Thank you to Sveriges Finlands ambassadör Liisa Maria Talonpoika For a really nice welcome, warmth and a lot of laughter.
It was an honor to meet the Ambassador and I will always remember our meeting with joy and humility.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:53:17pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

There are few things I find disingenuous as Dr. King’s words being twisted into a general message of compliance and complacency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:53:49pm

these asshole snowflakes

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:54:50pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

There are few things I find disingenuous as Dr. King’s words being twisted into a general message of compliance and complacency.

And people are so wedded to their comfy delusions they will try to argue with his own daughter (who runs the center responsible for shepherding his legacy) about it. It’s so ridiculous.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:55:35pm

re: #136 uncah91

Ultimately most of those people won, though. And some of your examples are people killed by their own.

Gandhi was killed by someone who didn’t think he was sufficiently nationalist…

If by ‘ultimately won,’ you mean ‘despite having died in the process’, OK. Mandela (your example) only spent 27 years in jail. It didn’t kill him. Other people continued his work on the outside.

And the phase ’ people killed by their own’ bothers me. Can’t put my figure on why. I know that some were killed by other than the expected opposition, but ‘their own’?

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Chrysicat  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:57:27pm

re: #153 JordanRules

And people are so wedded to their comfy delusions they will try to argue with his own daughter (who runs the center responsible for shepherding his legacy) about it. It’s so ridiculous.

Is that the homophobic daughter? Because if so we need to argue that side with her as far as the day is long!

But yeah, she prolly has a good idea on the racial-justice side. And that he’d prolly be tossing at least verbal brickbats today if not literal ones.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 1:59:00pm
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sagehen  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:00:05pm

re: #155 Chrysicat

Is that the homophobic daughter? Because if so we need to argue that side with her as far as the day is long!

But yeah, she prolly has a good idea on the racial-justice side. And that he’d prolly be tossing at least verbal brickbats today if not literal ones.

That’s a niece, I think.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:00:13pm

re: #150 Teukka

Obligatory feel-good story of the day:

Turku hero Hassan Zubier got his medal today. Zubier intervened with peril for his own life to save the lives of others during the terrorist attack in Turku last year. This is the first time the Finnish life-saving medal imparted a non-Finnish citizen. Kiitos Hassan! ❤ finland.se

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One thing about us Finns: We honor heroes, regardless of origin. No exceptions.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:01:40pm

re: #155 Chrysicat

Is that the homophobic daughter? Because if so we need to argue that side with her as far as the day is long!

But yeah, she prolly has a good idea on the racial-justice side. And that he’d prolly be tossing at least verbal brickbats today if not literal ones.

The King family is complicated. I can’t keep track. Let’s put teleskiguy on the case after he gets the Zappa family sorted out.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:01:44pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

these asshole snowflakes

They can eat at home.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:02:22pm

re: #153 JordanRules

And people are so wedded to their comfy delusions they will try to argue with his own daughter (who runs the center responsible for shepherding his legacy) about it. It’s so ridiculous.

The ultimate irony is the very people who Dr. King once coached his supporters against relying upon now use his words as a means of cowing those supporters and their descendants into holding their tongues. The famous “Letter from Birmingham Jail” included an entire paragraph aimed at white moderates who admonished the movement and advocated “rule of law” and “patience.”

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:03:53pm

re: #147 JordanRules

A number of Mexicans have light skin due to being able to trace their line back to Europe. We can use those to show how easy it would be to go after anyone.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:06:12pm

re: #153 JordanRules

And people are so wedded to their comfy delusions they will try to argue with his own daughter (who runs the center responsible for shepherding his legacy) about it. It’s so ridiculous.

Yep—this thread kinda says it all

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:06:53pm

The media doing what it does best….bothsideism “journalism”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:07:01pm

re: #163 BeachDem

Yep—this thread kinda says it all

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No shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:07:38pm

re: #164 Dr. Matt

The media doing what it does best….bothsideism “journalism”

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Oh shut up Mr. Donald Trump is the GOAT of nicknames.

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:09:03pm

re: #162 Belafon

A number of Mexicans have light skin due to being able to trace their line back to Europe. We can use those to show how easy it would be to go after anyone.

Yup. One of the executives at my company is totally white and from Mexico City.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:09:27pm

The media: “The Democrats show no energy! They’re not fighting back against Trump! This is going to hurt them in November!”

Also the media: “HOW DARE THE DEMOCRATS USE MEAN WORDS AGAINST TRUMP AND HIS FOLLOWERS?! THIS INCIVILITY IS ONLY GOING TO HELP TRUMP!!!”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:09:43pm

Mango salsa is nothing like pineapple on pizza. The former is a savory, delicious topping. The latter is a crime against humanity.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:10:09pm

re: #167 electrotek

Yup. One of the executives at my company is totally white and from Mexico City.

A lot of Anglos don’t get that the only thing that separates Hispanics from them is where they settled. There are Hispanics of every racial and background.

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Chrysicat  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:10:39pm

re: #162 Belafon

A number of Mexicans have light skin due to being able to trace their line back to Europe. We can use those to show how easy it would be to go after anyone.

While the first premise is valid, aren’t most of the Euro-Mexicans so white-privileged there that they don’t find themselves as desperate to work in the US? Though you’re right, I can definitely see the MAGAts ‘not being aware’ of that and using it as an excuse to deport dissidents. Which is why we have to win this November so that we stay the opposition or even the government and not dissidents.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:12:55pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

A lot of Anglos don’t get that the only thing that separates Hispanics from them is where they settled. There are Hispanics of every racial and background.

Newbies to New Mexico eventually learn ‘you can’t tell by looking’. Even if somebody is totally, obviously a ‘white person’, you never know who they might be married to.

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:14:06pm

re: #171 Chrysicat

While the first premise is valid, aren’t most of the Euro-Mexicans so white-privileged there that they don’t find themselves as desperate to work in the US? Though you’re right, I can definitely see the MAGAts ‘not being aware’ of that and using it as an excuse to deport dissidents. Which is why we have to win this November so that we stay the opposition or even the government and not dissidents.

They tend to come from an extremely wealthy background in the country.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:14:29pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Newbies to New Mexico eventually learn ‘you can’t tell by looking’. Even if somebody is totally, obviously a ‘white person’, you never know who they might be married to.

From what I understand there are plenty of families in NM that can trace their roots way back.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:14:46pm

re: #173 electrotek

They tend to come from an extremely wealthy background in the country.

Yep colorism.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:15:03pm

re: #164 Dr. Matt

The media doing what it does best….bothsideism “journalism”

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And then there’s Aaron Blakes “onesiderism.”

But clearly this is a debate that the Democratic Party needs to have right now. It’s a debate that has been repeatedly sparked by key cultural moments forcing people to decide whether the new territory that has been breached is okay to enter…

Which means Democrats and Trump opponents as a whole need to decide where their line is for civil disobedience…


Events like the Sanders ejection lead to reactions like the Waters one. And the Waters reaction could logically lead to a complete rewriting of the rules of political engagement — if not to political violence.

washingtonpost.com

Not one fucking word about the ugly shit done and said by the “president” and his minions—nope—the Democrats must do all the heavy lifting.

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:15:29pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Yep colorism.

A few of them even supported Trump, actually.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:15:53pm

re: #177 electrotek

A few of them even supported Trump, actually.

Doesn’t surprise me.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:18:00pm

Did a little checking and it seems this lie Trump repeats constantly that “Democrats want open borders” stems from ONE TIME when Rep. Keith Ellison went to a May Day parade in a T-shirt with the slogan “yo no creo en fronteras.”

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:18:08pm

re: #176 BeachDem

And then there’s Aaron Blakes “onesiderism.”

But clearly this is a debate that the Democratic Party needs to have right now. It’s a debate that has been repeatedly sparked by key cultural moments forcing people to decide whether the new territory that has been breached is okay to enter…

Which means Democrats and Trump opponents as a whole need to decide where their line is for civil disobedience…

Events like the Sanders ejection lead to reactions like the Waters one. And the Waters reaction could logically lead to a complete rewriting of the rules of political engagement — if not to political violence.

washingtonpost.com

Not one fucking word about the ugly shit done and said by the “president” and his minions—nope—the Democrats must do all the heavy lifting.

Of course, the media did this shit all through 2016: Democrats need to produce detailed plans that will solve all problems conclusively, while Republicans get points just for not shitting their pants. Hillary was criticized for proposals that didn’t solve everything, while Trump was able to run on empty slogans because “He’s saying what the voters want to hear!”

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:18:09pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

From what I understand there are plenty of families in NM that can trace their roots way back.

Santa Fe, NM is the oldest capitol city in the US.

And there are Crypto-Jews.

In 1492, the Spanish monarchs decreed that all of the Jews in Spain would have to convert to Catholicism or leave the country. Of the several hundred thousand Jews living in Spain, about half left into exile, where they could continue to practice their faith openly. The other half remained and converted. Five years later, the king of Portugal also issued an edict forcing the Jews in the country to convert.

[…]

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:18:59pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Did a little checking and it seems this lie Trump repeats constantly that “Democrats want open borders” stems from ONE TIME when Rep. Keith Ellison went to a May Day parade in a T-shirt with the slogan “yo no creo en fronteras.”

They don’t understand figures of speech do they. Es stupidos.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:19:04pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Did a little checking and it seems this lie Trump repeats constantly that “Democrats want open borders” stems from ONE TIME when Rep. Keith Ellison went to a May Day parade in a T-shirt with the slogan “yo no creo en fronteras.”

And of course, all the right wing sites went crazy about it. It’s on all of them - Fox News, too. That’s where Trump picked it up.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:19:39pm
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darthstar  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:20:18pm
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darthstar  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:21:16pm

re: #185 darthstar

And sometimes I caption just to put a smile on sightless browsers’ faces.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:22:24pm

Media worries that harsh words towards Trump supporters could lead to violence, ignore that Trump advocated violence at his rallies and even promised to pay the legal fees of those supporters who physically assaulted protestors.

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unproven innocence  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:22:36pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

Mango salsa is nothing like pineapple on pizza. The former is a savory, delicious topping. The latter is a crime against humanity.

Charles, are you losing focus?

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danarchy  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:23:11pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Did a little checking and it seems this lie Trump repeats constantly that “Democrats want open borders” stems from ONE TIME when Rep. Keith Ellison went to a May Day parade in a T-shirt with the slogan “yo no creo en fronteras.”

There was that speech Hillary gave to the Brazilian bankers where she said something about open borders that Trump jumped on.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:23:46pm

re: #188 unproven innocence

Charles, are you losing focus?

Do taste buds have ‘focus’?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:24:23pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Did a little checking and it seems this lie Trump repeats constantly that “Democrats want open borders” stems from ONE TIME when Rep. Keith Ellison went to a May Day parade in a T-shirt with the slogan “yo no creo en fronteras.”

Plus the general tactic of attaching the explicit rhetoric of the extreme left onto the moderates.

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unproven innocence  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:26:02pm

re: #190 wrenchwench

Do taste buds have ‘focus’?

No, but maybe he’s a bit hungry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:26:11pm

re: #188 unproven innocence

Charles, are you losing focus?

Hey, when the crazy is this dense, everybody needs a break.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:26:19pm

re: #43 lawhawk

The US Supreme Court has ruled that this applies to all those in the US.

Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) ruled “due process” of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is “unlawful, involuntary or transitory.”

Let’s all hope this SC doesn’t get a chance to revisit this.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:28:30pm

MLK practiced restraint, but he also knew that they were going to kill him. He knew it. And he did everything he could to prepare people for it in his speeches. He knew that this wasn’t a balanced system where civility would be returned in kind. They’d put him in jail for it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:32:31pm

re: #194 Winston_Smith

Let’s all hope this SC doesn’t get a chance to revisit this.

That’s my worry too.

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:33:13pm

Welp, found out my Twitter account got suspended.

What a crock of shit.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:34:43pm

Notice that the media no longer talks about “czars”. Under President Obama, there was a daily outrage about the “100s of czars” he appointed.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:35:05pm

re: #197 electrotek

Welp, found out my Twitter account got suspended.

What a crock of shit.

Suspended or perma-banned?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:35:28pm

re: #198 Dr. Matt

Notice that the media no longer talks about “czars”. Under President Obama, there was a daily outrage about the “100s of czars” he appointed.

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Trump would appoint Jared or Ivanka.

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:36:53pm

re: #199 Dr. Matt

Suspended or perma-banned?

It doesn’t say in the email, but looks like perma-banned maybe?

The subject shows I’ve been suspended.

This is ridiculous. You have Nazis openly spewing bile on there and never get suspended.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:38:26pm

re: #201 electrotek

It doesn’t say in the email, but looks like perma-banned maybe?

Welcome to the club.

I was perma-banned for hoping and praying that Nazis got ball cancer. ….and I’m not being sarcastic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:39:55pm

re: #195 stpaulbear

MLK practiced restraint, but he also knew that they were going to kill him. He knew it. And he did everything he could to prepare people for it in his speeches. He knew that this wasn’t a balanced system where civility would be returned in kind. They’d put him in jail for it.

Because of the serious death threats against him, MLK obtained a pistol for himself. Wingnuts, in their typical way, twisted this as “proof” that MLK was a GUN NUT.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:40:17pm

re: #201 electrotek

@jack knows where his money comes from, and it isn’t you.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:41:05pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Trump would appoint Jared or Ivanka.

or “Sheriff” Joe.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:43:10pm

re: #205 Dr. Matt

or “Sheriff” Joe.

He has so many horrible people to choose from.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:43:45pm

re: #197 electrotek

Welp, found out my Twitter account got suspended.

What a crock of shit.

Yours? Why in the world…

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:43:52pm

Thinking I may need to add a few more words to this list to make it worthwhile, but it has made a small dent in his mentions.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:45:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:46:21pm

re: #197 electrotek

Welp, found out my Twitter account got suspended.

What a crock of shit.

Sorry to see that. Meanwhile Russian trolls get pass after pass…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:47:02pm

re: #209 Single-handed sailor

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Never any responsibility eh asshole.

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nines09  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:49:23pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:49:36pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

Sorry to see that. Meanwhile Russian trolls get pass after pass…

Whenever a Russian bot gets suspended or banned, information about Twitter policy gets collected, and no humans suffer any consequences.

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blueraven  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:50:54pm

Real headlines for today should be:

Babies in Cages
Trump wants to bypass Due Process
Harley Davidson forced to move some operations out of USA
(related) Stock Market tumbles on trade war fears

oh and …

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CongoJack  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:50:58pm

re: #209 Single-handed sailor

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Well that makes almost no sense. I pine for the days when a president used full sentences, correct punctuation, correct capitalization, and had correct spelling.

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:51:50pm

re: #209 Single-handed sailor

He really doesn’t have any concept of how the economy works.

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Jay C  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:55:05pm

re: #216 darthstar

He really doesn’t have any concept of how the economy much of anything works.

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:56:13pm

re: #217 Jay C

The whining from him will be epic when the shit finally hits the fan.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:56:54pm

re: #131 uncah91

I think Spencer got “quiet” after Charlottesville.

Whether it’s MLK, Ghandi, or Mandela, the long term path to success lies on a path that is steadfast, firm, unshakeable, implacable, impassioned … but never forgets the core humanity in (almost) everyone.

It’s not that I don’t sometimes fantasize about smacking these people upside the head and throwing them in the Rio Grande, hog tied and floating out to sea … and it’s not that some of them don’t deserve it … but, to flip the quote around, deserve’s got nothing to do with it.

One could extend the idea of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail,” where he laments the greatest obstacle to African-American equality is those who support “order” over “justice.”

Almost no advance of equality and equal treatment under the law has been obtained by voters supporting it, until there was civil disobedience first.

Many of the actions of the Civil Rights Movement were illegal. So were those of suffragettes, and the LGBT movements.

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Brian J.  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:57:09pm

re: #209 Single-handed sailor

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Harley’s got all kinds of problems stemming from their nostalgia overdose and refusal to make the smaller, less expensive motorcycles people are buying today. The whole industry is hurting, but Harley more than most.

thetruthaboutcars.com

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:57:19pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

Sorry to see that. Meanwhile Russian trolls get pass after pass…

Sounds like I’ll go ahead and file an appeal.

Won’t hold my breath but it’s a start lol

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:58:46pm
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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 2:59:16pm

re: #198 Dr. Matt

Notice that the media no longer talks about “czars”. Under President Obama, there was a daily outrage about the “100s of czars” he appointed.

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The administration needs to bring in an experienced and competent person to impose order in the chaos the president’s decision has caused

No one with a brain and the necessary experience would go near that job

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:01:35pm

re: #215 CongoJack

Well that makes almost no sense. I pine for the days when a president used full sentences, correct punctuation, correct capitalization, and had correct spelling.

You mean used what he learned in fourth grade English class?

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freetoken  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:02:01pm

re: #222 Single-handed sailor

That was ratified in 1968 by the US, correct?

If the Senate ratifies a treaty, it becomes law for the US to be obligated to the treaty, no?

How can anyone think that if Trump does this that he is not going against the decision of the Senate?

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:02:45pm

re: #222 Single-handed sailor

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Assholes. Assholes, all of them.

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The Major  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:03:10pm

re: #158 Teukka

One thing about us Finns: We honor heroes, regardless of origin. No exceptions.

You also make killer tires (Nokian) for the harsh weathers….

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:04:33pm
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freetoken  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:04:38pm

I guess that is the question: did the US Senate actually ratify the protocol, or did the US just adopt it under the broader UN treaty?

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:05:02pm

re: #220 Brian J.

Harley’s got all kinds of problems stemming from their nostalgia overdose and refusal to make the smaller, less expensive motorcycles people are buying today. The whole industry is hurting, but Harley more than most.

thetruthaboutcars.com

They got other problems too
My ex-dealer 4 miles from my house won’t service my 2001 anymore because it is more than 15 yars old

Found an indie shop right here in town. Been here 20+ years. And I never knew. He’s got my business and is very good

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Brian J.  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:06:14pm

re: #228 JordanRules

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Ms. Cupp did see that her Cheeto Jesus shed nine points in net approval rating last week, right?

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:06:49pm

re: #222 Single-handed sailor

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Then we can do what we want “legally”

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:07:40pm

re: #232 dangerman

Then we can do what we want “legally”

What’s next? Withdrawing from the CPPCG?
Wish I was ///

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:09:18pm

If anyone’s interested, live updates on the yam’s visit to South Carolina (of course, toady Lindsey came down with his new BFF)

greenvilleonline.com

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:09:33pm

re: #233 Teukka

The UN.

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Jay C  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:10:05pm

re: #225 freetoken

That was ratified in 1968 by the US, correct?

If the Senate ratifies a treaty, it becomes law for the US to be obligated to the treaty, no?

How can anyone think that if Trump does this that he is not going against the decision of the Senate?

re: #229 freetoken

I guess that is the question: did the US Senate actually ratify the protocol, or did the US just adopt it under the broader UN treaty?

Unfortunately, even if the US did officially adopt this protocol (Senate ratification or whatever), it has never been beyond the capacity of US Administrations to find one way or another to “work around” inconvenient human-rights issues, treaties notwithstanding, if they want to. Example #1: the Bush 43 Admin’s “War On Terror”.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:10:16pm

re: #235 Winston_Smith

The UN.

That would signal you’re about to break every rule in the book. It may provoke a little harsher reaction than Il Douche expected.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:10:55pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:11:47pm

re: #237 Teukka

That would signal you’re about to break every rule in the book. It may provoke a little harsher reaction than Il Douche expected.

All that matters is that the base will love it.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:12:43pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:15:08pm

re: #229 freetoken

I guess that is the question: did the US Senate actually ratify the protocol, or did the US just adopt it under the broader UN treaty?

We ratified the 1967 protocol, but not the 1951 protocol.

unhcr.org

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:15:28pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:15:48pm

re: #233 Teukka

What’s next? Withdrawing from the CPPCG?
Wish I was ///

It’s not genocide if they’re not citizens. I no longer have any doubt that the US media would cover both sides of the “debate”.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:16:22pm

re: #238 jaunte

[To everyone who has tweeted back, “Not me, I can PROVE I’m a citizen” — you miss the point. Without due process, who will you “prove” it to? Where will you show your proof? A right to a hearing / judicial review protects ALL of us]

No hearings, no judges, no rights. Nobody.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:16:31pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

So he can still go on Fox Business then.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:16:54pm

re: #243 Winston_Smith

It’s not genocide if they’re not citizens. I no longer have any doubt that the US media would cover both sides of the “debate”.

Actually, it’s genocide as soon as the group is ethnically, nationally, racially or religiously defineable. And jurisdiction is universal.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:18:06pm

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

We ratified the 1967 protocol, but not the 1951 protocol.

unhcr.org

The treaty was adopted by the Senate 59-0 (not sure where the other senators were that day).

congress.gov

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:18:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:19:14pm
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uncah91  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:19:48pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

If by ‘ultimately won,’ you mean ‘despite having died in the process’, OK. Mandela (your example) only spent 27 years in jail. It didn’t kill him. Other people continued his work on the outside.

And the phase ’ people killed by their own’ bothers me. Can’t put my figure on why. I know that some were killed by other than the expected opposition, but ‘their own’?

“Killed by their own” is, perhaps, an inartless phrase. You are probably hearing echoes of the gun thumpers and the white supremacists who like to talk about “black on black” crime, which is not what I meant to invoke.

I was simply talking about how, for example, Malcolm X was killed by NoI members in the fallout from his repudiation of that organization. He wasn’t killed for advocating for equality. Gandhi was not killed for arguing for and achieving independence, but because his own right wing nationalist movement did not want Indian Muslims to be equal and welcome. Those same nationalists would have argued for independence from the UK.

I’m not arguing against civil disobedience, struggle, anger, or protest. I am arguing against the kind of demonization that leads to the “burn it all down” mentality on the left that brought us Trump.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:21:00pm

re: #186 darthstar

And sometimes I caption just to put a smile on sightless browsers’ faces.

How are the pooches doing these days? It’s been awhile since we’ve seen Banjo and Merle.

Times are tough…pooch pics help!

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:21:51pm

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹

The treaty was adopted by the Senate 59-0 (not sure where the other senators were that day).

congress.gov

Also, if it comes to the international criminal court, it will see the US as bound by the convention until it exited, meaning anything up until that point is prosecutable…

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:22:35pm

Oh yeah! The tea party and their very civil town halls were fun too.
But Democrats were civil enough to keep having them, unlike the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:23:36pm

re: #253 JordanRules

Oh yeah! The tea party and their very civil town halls were fun too.
But Democrats were civil enough to keep having them, unlike the GOP.

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About fucking time someone point this out.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:24:06pm
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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:26:59pm

I’m not gonna forget how abnormal these ongoing and ethically dubious hate rallies are either.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:27:00pm

re: #255 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:27:21pm

re: #256 JordanRules

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I’m not gonna forget how abnormal these ongoing and ethically dubious hate rallies are either.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:27:26pm

Please be advised this be satire:

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:28:07pm

re: #250 uncah91

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I am arguing against the kind of demonization that leads to the “burn it all down” mentality on the left that brought us Trump.

Nothing the left did or didn’t do ‘brought us Trump’. Maybe somebody could have done something so the majority of the electorate would have won, but that failure is not what ‘brought us Trump’.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:28:19pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:29:49pm

re: #261 JordanRules

Hate works. Always has. See Republican Party for examples.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:30:14pm

re: #228 JordanRules

SE Cupp is one of those people who seems smart to those who aren’t. As an atheist, she claims that atheists would do well to pray. (That makes me wonder if her atheism is simply a schtick for conservatives.)

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:30:26pm

re: #227 The Major

You also make killer tires (Nokian) for the harsh weathers….

Some of the best rally car and ice/snow racers ever are Finns.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:31:11pm

re: #264 ObserverArt

Some of the best rally car and ice/snow racers ever are Finns.

As is the worlds most prolific sniper.

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:31:59pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:33:10pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:33:16pm

re: #252 Teukka

Also, if it comes to the international criminal court, it will see the US as bound by the convention until it exited, meaning anything up until that point is prosecutable…

The United States does not recognise the authority of the ICC over American citizens thanks to conservatives, though we’ll happily deport a foreigner to the ICC.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:34:01pm

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

SE Cupp is one of those people who seems smart to those who aren’t. As an atheist, she claims that atheists would do well to pray. (That makes me wonder if her atheism is simply a schtick for conservatives.)

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She’s a self proclaimed atheist who loves pandering to the Religious especially Christian Right’s sense of persecution.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:35:39pm

I remember Obama getting booed. Didn’t see lectures for civility.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:36:36pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
I’m sure this will greatly improve everyone’s civility.

6:18 PM - Jun 25, 2018

I bet you just can’t wait until Chris Cillizza let’s you know.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:36:43pm

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹

The United States does not recognise the authority of the ICC over American citizens thanks to conservatives, though we’ll happily deport a foreigner to the ICC.

You forget one thing. Most countries implement articles IV and VII of the CPPCG, meaning they do not recognize any immunity for the crime, nor consider it a political crime. If motivated enough, they might either simply arrest a sitting US president if he or she enters the country, or even go to the length to forcibly extract him. And as I recall, there are a couple of other crimes against humanity where jurisdiction is universal and/or no immunity applies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:37:33pm

On the issue of government officials, at last Saturday’s town burger cookout, I had several people bawl me out publicly (until a horrendous hailstorm shut the cookout down early). Every single person knows me. Being bawled out in public for a political position or a letter to the newspaper is a regular occurrence even for local government officials.

I listen, I give feedback (why I disagree or why I might reconsider my position), &c. I don’t go onto social media complaining “I was bawled out!! My fee fees!!”

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:38:52pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

The brother of one of my Dad’s friends died last week and so I spent yesterday helping my Dad’s friend and his daughter clean out their dead brother / uncle’s place. It was surreal, I’ve never seen such a disconnect between a man’s wealth and how he chose to live. The guy apparently had investments worth over a million dollars but he’d been living for over thirty years in this cheap one bedroom rathole apartment in Hawthorne that didn’t even have air conditioning. The place was a fucking disaster and it was pretty clear that he’d been clinically depressed for a very long time. It was so goddamned sad.

My main contribution was just confirming to the daughter of my Dad’s friend that she and her Dad didn’t owe the landlord jack shit by way of cleaning the place up. “They’ve been profiting off your uncle for decades, so fuck them” was my position. They were only in town for four days and didn’t call us down for help until the last day so the whole thing was going to be a shit show no matter what and it was time to recognize the futility in the situation. So we just did one final check for anything of potential value, put some of the more egregious piles of trash into bags to make it look a little less horrid and took them out for some very good Mexican food.

So I’m going through the guy’s meds now, emptying them all into a bag because I volunteered to make sure they got disposed of properly at the safe police drop off, and it’s full bottle after full bottle of unused Trazadone and other depression / anxiety medications. Some of these bottles expired several years ago. He definitely had major depressive disorder and was getting his meds filled but just wasn’t taking them. Same thing starting last year with drugs for congestive heart failure, several full bottles. I think he was telling his doctors he was taking his meds but in reality he just gave up a long time ago.

This poor man’s death certificate is probably going to blame COPD (there were O2 bottles and an O2 concentrator in the apartment, his family said he’d recently been diagnosed with emphysema) and coronary disease but I’m pretty sure the untreated depression played a major role in his premature demise.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:39:38pm

re: #272 Teukka

You forget one thing. Most countries implement articles IV and VII of the CPPCG, meaning they do not recognize any immunity for the crime, nor consider it a political crime. If motivated enough, they might either simply arrest a sitting US president if he or she enters the country, or even go to the length to forcibly extract him. And as I recall, there are a couple of other crimes against humanity where jurisdiction is universal and/or no immunity applies.

Dick Cheney made a trip to Vancouver BC with explicit assurances they would not arrest him.

No sane nation is going to attack the USA with its overwhelming military, and no sane nation is going to arrest the President if he is in their country (see that overwhelming military above).

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:41:33pm

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

Dick Cheney made a trip to Vancouver BC with explicit assurances they would not arrest him.

No sane nation is going to attack the USA with its overwhelming military, and no sane nation is going to arrest the President if he is in their country (see that overwhelming military above).

Which leaves other measures to incentivize the US either to extradite someone or to put the person to trial domestically.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:42:49pm

Today is Sonia Sotomayor’s 64th birthday. We were born on the same day.

Ugh, so was David Paich from Toto.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:43:32pm

re: #276 Teukka

Which leaves other measures to either extradite someone or incentivize the US to put the person to trial.

Sanctions against government officials might work, seizing overseas assets, &c. I’m not sure how our government would take that.

War of words, or war of bullets?

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:44:24pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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Speaking of civility, southern style:

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:44:59pm

re: #277 stpaulbear

Today is Sonia Sotomayor’s 64th birthday. We were born on the same day.

Ugh, so was David Paich from Toto.

Happy Birthday Stpaulbear!!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:45:04pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:45:33pm

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

SE Cupp is one of those people who seems smart to those who aren’t. As an atheist, she claims that atheists would do well to pray. (That makes me wonder if her atheism is simply a schtick for conservatives.)

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Everything about SE Cupp is shtick.

A great example of a human as an empty vessel.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:46:43pm

re: #277 stpaulbear

Today is Sonia Sotomayor’s 64th birthday. We were born on the same day.

Ugh, so was David Paich from Toto.

That’s a good one to share. Justice Sotomayor is my favorite member of SCOTUS. My birthday companion is Mara Wilson, she was a child actress in Matilda and Mrs. Doubtfire.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:47:32pm

re: #279 BeachDem

Speaking of civility, southern style:

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Says a whiny little bitch with an AR-15 shirt.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:50:27pm

A small victory
6-18-2018

A banner ad for Central Michigan University appears on the neo-nazi/truther website Veterans Today, home of arch-troofer Kevin Barrett among others. I’m sure this is some kind of automated placement involving the word “veterans,” and CMU will not want any part of it.
I wrote to CMU to let them know. president@cmich.edu

Got this today:

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:53:23pm

re: #277 stpaulbear

Today is Sonia Sotomayor’s 64th birthday. We were born on the same day.

Ugh, so was David Paich from Toto.

Happy birthday to you two…..

:)

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Mike Lamb  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:53:49pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

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Good.

I honestly think that my preference for Trump and cabal is not that they go to jail, but that they will never be able to show their face in public again. That they become unemployable and fade completely from memory.

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Zip Diske  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:56:19pm

re: #287 Mike Lamb

Good.

I honestly think that my preference for Trump and cabal is not that they go to jail, but that they will never be able to show their face in public again. That they become unemployable and fade completely from memory.

They can be forgotten all they want while spending the rest of their lives in a supermax prison. The fuckers have committed all kinds of crimes, and they don’t deserve to walk free, even if everyone hates them.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 3:57:21pm
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Mike Lamb  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:00:49pm

re: #288 scottslemmons

They can be forgotten all they want while spending the rest of their lives in a supermax prison. The fuckers have committed all kinds of crimes, and they don’t deserve to walk free, even if everyone hates them.

I get that. But when I think of what might hurt them more—I honestly think that just being booed into oblivion—being unimportant—would hit them where it hurts more. They might feel like smug martyrs in prison jump shoots.

And let me be clear here—I’m not concern trolling or suggesting that I don’t want them prosecuted. I’m just trying to figure out how to inflict as much pain on them as possible. Trump being poor and marginalized, even if on the streets, would be so delicious.

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:01:28pm

How do they expect for us to be civil when the wingnuts do this kind of shit?!!?!?!?

They’re asking for it!!!!

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:05:53pm

Out of curiosity, how do you know if your suspension is temporary or permanent on Twitter?

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:05:58pm

No Justice, No Peace means just that.
It’s a nice call and response that works well at so many protests but it’s really saying something critical and really appropriate.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:07:08pm

re: #221 electrotek

Sounds like I’ll go ahead and file an appeal.

Won’t hold my breath but it’s a start lol

Yeah, if it’s a permanent suspension the notice will say so. Worth an appeal - they might make you confirm your identity somehow.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:07:16pm

re: #5 b.d.

I fear for all African American women in DC, if the wingnuts can’t even attack the right Red Hen restaurant then my faith in them attacking the right African American woman isn’t too high either.

//

Blacks in D.C. would fight back. Believe me. I live close to D.C. We’re not afraid of wingnuts around here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:07:40pm

re: #277 stpaulbear

Today is Sonia Sotomayor’s 64th birthday. We were born on the same day.

Ugh, so was David Paich from Toto.

Happy Birthday!
Doom Man from My Wife’s Website
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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:07:44pm

David Simon is still pissed at Jack

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:08:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:08:56pm

re: #291 b.d.

How do they expect for us to be civil when the wingnuts do this kind of shit?!!?!?!?

They’re asking for it!!!!

Is there any way to put pressure on Soundcloud?

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:09:09pm

re: #291 b.d.

How do they expect for us to be civil when the wingnuts do this kind of shit?!!?!?!?

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They’re asking for it!!!!

I cannot think of many things that would be more painful than listening to jacob ahole and laura loonier (perhaps she’ll give us an update on her long-lamented tire) running their pathetic mouths. I am embarrassed that they are Jewish.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:09:32pm

I pissed off some folks on FB for saying that Trump voters are horrible people, but honestly, I’m really, REALLY sick of being nice.

He isn’t a mystery, and he wasn’t a mystery before the election. If you voted for him, you knew you were voting for a racist, a misogynist, an Islamophobe, and a proudly ignorant liar. Every horrible thing he has done was something he PROMISED to do. In fact, the only thing that’s kept him from doing even more horrible things than he has is the remaining institutions of government, and he’s gnawing away at those.

People try to excuse others voting for him by saying ‘they wanted change’ or ‘they’re frustrated with Washington’ or ‘they were voting against Hillary’. If their political views are such that they believe a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus is BETTER THAN Clinton, I’m not sure how that makes them any better than someone who just plain wants a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus for President.

Add to that the fact that he has 90% approval among Republicans, not despite the horrible things he’s done, but rather because of them, and I’m not sure how you can say that his supporters are NOT horrible people.

I think it’s a big element of white privilege that we can have relatives and friends who like having a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus for President, and still consider them ‘good people’, because really, it’s not our ox that’s getting gored.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:10:32pm

I know both these asshat choads are pathological liars with the collective IQ of a warm bucket of spit but what the hell are they talking about?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:11:28pm
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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:12:13pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

Yeah, if it’s a permanent suspension the notice will say so. Worth an appeal - they might make you confirm your identity somehow.

Looks like it is based on this paragraph at the bottom of the email:

Note that if you attempt to evade a permanent suspension by creating new accounts, we will suspend your new accounts. If you wish to appeal this suspension, please contact our support team.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:12:20pm

re: #277 stpaulbear

Toto is a great group. Anyways, hope you have had a wonderful B’Day.

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plansbandc  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:12:49pm

re: #238 jaunte

Every day I’m in awe over how uneducated and all around stupid the population has become.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:12:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:14:18pm

re: #304 electrotek

Looks like it is based on this paragraph at the bottom of the email:

That could be boilerplate - can you post the rest of the email? I’ve seen a few permanent suspension notices.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:14:42pm

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

To be fair, I think it ended when he came down the golden escalator and accused Mexico of sending rapists and drug dealers, and that didn’t end his candidacy.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:14:56pm
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nines09  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:16:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:17:34pm

re: #302 gocart mozart

I know both these asshat choads are pathological liars with the collective IQ of a warm bucket of spit but what the hell are they talking about?

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Knowing Hoft, he’s making up shit again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:17:39pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Did a little checking and it seems this lie Trump repeats constantly that “Democrats want open borders” stems from ONE TIME when Rep. Keith Ellison went to a May Day parade in a T-shirt with the slogan “yo no creo en fronteras.”

Also one time Clinton gave a speech in which she used the term when talking about energy.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:17:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:18:09pm

re: #310 JordanRules

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But yeah let’s cry for a liar some more.

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:19:05pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

That could be boilerplate - can you post the rest of the email? I’ve seen a few permanent suspension notices.

Here it is:

Your account, danja84 has been suspended for violating the Twitter Rules.

Specifically, for:

Violating our rules against hateful conduct.
You may not promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.

Personally I’m not stressing over it. It’s not like I had thousands of followers. It was just an account I had to be an abrasive asshole to those who deserved it. I had a mere 129 followers so it’s not a big issue.

Now if my Facebook account was permanently disabled, then I would be really upset and horrified about. I’ve had FB since 2005 so I have more at stake on that then a Twitter account I used to keep up with politics and be an asshole to Trump supporters, Nazis, Salafis, and Islamophobes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:19:41pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

But yeah let’s cry for a liar some more.

“Hey, Sarah! Did they take your children away with no promise ever to reunite you with them? No? Then shut up.”

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:19:44pm

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

“I think it’s a big element of white privilege that we can have relatives and friends who like having a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus for President, and still consider them ‘good people’, because really, it’s not our ox that’s getting gored.”

Amen to that. If you are comfortable voting for Trump, then you’re obviously comfortable with his bigotry, bullying and churlish behavior and comments. There’s no two ways about it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:20:06pm

re: #277 stpaulbear

A very Happy Birthday!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:21:31pm

re: #318 Patricia Kayden

“I think it’s a big element of white privilege that we can have relatives and friends who like having a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus for President, and still consider them ‘good people’, because really, it’s not our ox that’s getting gored.”

Amen to that. If you are comfortable voting for Trump, then you’re obviously comfortable with his bigotry, bullying and churlish behavior and comments. There’s no two ways about it.

That’s something I deeply struggle with. Fortunately my immediate family and close friends I talk to regularly hate the Orange Asshole and his ways.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:24:27pm

re: #318 Patricia Kayden

“I think it’s a big element of white privilege that we can have relatives and friends who like having a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus for President, and still consider them ‘good people’, because really, it’s not our ox that’s getting gored.”

Amen to that. If you are comfortable voting for Trump, then you’re obviously comfortable with his bigotry, bullying and churlish behavior and comments. There’s no two ways about it.

Right. The one I can’t get my head around is the “Some of them were voting against Hillary”.

Okay. So, what’s bad about Hillary Clinton that isn’t at least 10 times as bad about Trump, EVEN IF you buy into the usual bullshit? What policy preferences of hers are not 10 times worse under Trump?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:25:46pm

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

I turned off Chris Matthews when he jumped on Maxine Waters for her comment about not being civil to Trump administration officials. Can’t stand him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:25:55pm

re: #321 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. The one I can’t get my head around is the “Some of them were voting against Hillary”.

Okay. So, what’s bad about Hillary Clinton that isn’t at least 10 times as bad about Trump, EVEN IF you buy into the usual bullshit? What policy preferences of hers are not 10 times worse under Trump?

Right. And honestly a lot of the shit against Clinton is vague bs based in lies.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:26:15pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

Nothing the left did or didn’t do ‘brought us Trump’. Maybe somebody could have done something so the majority of the electorate would have won, but that failure is not what ‘brought us Trump’.

Let me challenge that assertion. The Bernie Bros were definitely involved in bringing us Trump by their refusal to vote for her and by their general demonization of her.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:26:35pm

re: #322 Patricia Kayden

I turned off Chris Matthews when he jumped on Maxine Waters for her comment about not being civil to Trump administration officials. Can’t stand him.

Good because he was going to regale us all with Tip and Gipper stories probably.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:26:59pm

re: #309 Blind Frog Belly White

To be fair, I think it ended when he came down the golden escalator and accused Mexico of sending rapists and drug dealers, and that didn’t end his candidacy.

It ended when he pushed the Birther bullshit, and that didn’t get him laughed out of the galaxy.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:27:05pm

re: #316 electrotek

Yeah, if it was permanent it would say something like “this account will not be restored.”

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:27:12pm

Soooo—the yam is in my state.
I post a tweet with a pic of one of his goons at his rally.
My power goes out.

Coincidence????

(It’s back on now.)

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plansbandc  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:27:40pm

This is kinda perfect…

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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:27:44pm

Besides, what’s weird is that I can still access my timeline and see all of my past tweets on the app. Usually whenever your permanently banned, you wouldn’t even have access to your Twitter account, right? That’s how it is with Facebook and Instagram.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:28:06pm
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electrotek  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:30:51pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

Yeah, if it was permanent it would say something like “this account will not be restored.”

Ah okay, that makes sense.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:32:16pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:34:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:35:50pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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So media you were saying about decorum?

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:35:56pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:36:38pm

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:37:06pm

Tweety has “Doors” Dem from Texas on—Hegar.

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Lidane  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:37:16pm

Trump’s Gestapo is currently busy rounding up and imprisoning children in the desert, and right on cue here come the Democrats to bleat about civility. Unbelievable.

What a bunch of feckless cowards.

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plansbandc  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:37:46pm

Post on Facebook about how those of us who were crying when Trump won were pretty much right about everything. Took about 3 comments in for Bernie Bro to say, “You should have cried when Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie.” This bullshit refrain makes me want to scream.

In my opinion, yes, the far left shoulders some of the blame for trumpland.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:38:50pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

So media you were saying about decorum?

They specifically like him because he’s not civil, and he emboldens them to abandon what civility they had left. But god forbid anyone’s not nice to them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:38:59pm

re: #340 plansbandc

Post on Facebook about how those of us who were crying when Trump won were pretty much right about everything. Took about 3 comments in for Bernie Bro to say, “You should have cried when Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie.” This bullshit refrain makes me want to scream.

In my opinion, yes, the far left shoulders some of the blame for trumpland.

Fuck Bernie seriously. It’s not HRC’s fault, he has Republican like appeal to PoC.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:40:51pm
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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:40:52pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:41:54pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:43:01pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

These are the people to whom we’re supposed to be civil?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:43:04pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:44:09pm

You just knew that there had to be a story like this…

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:44:16pm

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

I pissed off some folks on FB for saying that Trump voters are horrible people, but honestly, I’m really, REALLY sick of being nice.

He isn’t a mystery, and he wasn’t a mystery before the election. If you voted for him, you knew you were voting for a racist, a misogynist, an Islamophobe, and a proudly ignorant liar. Every horrible thing he has done was something he PROMISED to do. In fact, the only thing that’s kept him from doing even more horrible things than he has is the remaining institutions of government, and he’s gnawing away at those.

People try to excuse others voting for him by saying ‘they wanted change’ or ‘they’re frustrated with Washington’ or ‘they were voting against Hillary’. If their political views are such that they believe a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus is BETTER THAN Clinton, I’m not sure how that makes them any better than someone who just plain wants a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus for President.

Add to that the fact that he has 90% approval among Republicans, not despite the horrible things he’s done, but rather because of them, and I’m not sure how you can say that his supporters are NOT horrible people.

I think it’s a big element of white privilege that we can have relatives and friends who like having a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus for President, and still consider them ‘good people’, because really, it’s not our ox that’s getting gored.

Yet

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:44:49pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Fuck Bernie seriously. It’s not HRC’s fault, he has Republican like appeal to PoC.

The Bernie people still won’t admit their share in inflicting this money laundering dictator wannabe racist on us. An FB friend (and IRL acquaintance) mocks “Oops I stepped on some other liberal toes” as she continues to attack the Clintons.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:46:31pm

re: #324 Hecuba’s daughter

Let me challenge that assertion. The Bernie Bros were definitely involved in bringing us Trump by their refusal to vote for her and by their general demonization of her.

OK, but that was caused by a main-stream left attempt at being civil. Too civil, to a non-Democrat. Let us not err on that side (civility) again.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:47:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:51:38pm

re: #348 Blind Frog Belly White

You just knew that there had to be a story like this…

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Yeah I don’t remember that either.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:52:18pm

re: #352 gocart mozart

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Complaining about Jimmy Fallon? Man you’re sad.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:52:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:54:06pm

re: #355 gocart mozart

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I missed the part of theology class where God has to be male. But please lecture us some more you worthless sack of shit.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:54:36pm
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uncah91  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:58:30pm

re: #348 Blind Frog Belly White

You just knew that there had to be a story like this…

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As I said above, I think the tut-tutters are off their rockers. What’s going on right now is just people expressing their anger about the current situation.

But, that smarmy, cocky attitude of “hah, you sure showed ‘em” that the Republicans had on display was a symptom of how far off the rails they had been going since about 1994. Or, really, 1964.

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bratwurst  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:58:45pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:59:31pm

re: #359 bratwurst

Which is why I watch none of them.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 25, 2018 • 4:59:51pm

Civility for thee, not me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:00:04pm

Waaah my name’s Donald and I’m either gloating or crying.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:00:50pm

re: #361 VegasGolfer

Civility for thee, not me.

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Goes to church every Sunday.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:01:07pm

re: #361 VegasGolfer

Civility for thee, not me.

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Yeah well fuck them too. Stupid cultists blindly following a nutjob that would sell them out for a Big Mac.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:01:32pm

re: #363 Winston_Smith

Goes to church every Sunday.

Complains about naughty language in the media too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:04:57pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:05:27pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

From what I understand there are plenty of families in NM that can trace their roots way back.

To the 1600s.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:06:13pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:06:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:07:05pm

re: #367 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

To the 1600s.

Yep!

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VegasGolfer  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:07:50pm

And they’re dumber than rocks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:08:04pm

re: #369 teleskiguy

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Oh shut up you drama queen. The restaurant denied Huckabee Sanders. I’m sure they’d let your sorry ass in even though you’re a feckless fucking baby.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:08:23pm

re: #371 VegasGolfer

And they’re dumber than rocks.

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But don’t call them stupid.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:09:05pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Complaining about Jimmy Fallon? Man you’re sad.

No slight shall go unnoticed.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:09:11pm

And dangerous. But Democrats have to be civil.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:10:10pm

Republicans: We should be able to deny anyone service.

Red Hen Owners: Sorry Sarah but nope.

Also Republicans: This is Jim Crow! All Red Hens Must Burn!

Media: The left should try to be nicer to Trump employees

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:10:33pm

re: #367 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

To the 1600s.

In the Dakotas, Arizona, Oklahoma, hell, any place the First Peoples live, it goes to the end of the last Ice Age, with many anthropologists suggesting that it might go back as far the last Ice Age +1, based on evidence from South America.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:10:54pm

King Donald The Butthurt is holding another adoration rally for himself, to soothe the terrible pains.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:12:21pm

Daniel Dale is live tweeting the rally. He should get some kind of Canadian Legion of Honor medal for enduring this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:12:26pm

re: #377 austin_blue

In the Dakotas, Arizona, Oklahoma, hell, any place the First Peoples live, it goes to the end of the last Ice Age, with many anthropologists suggesting that it might go back as far the last Ice Age +1, based on evidence from South America.

Yep and white Anglos have to nerve to lecture about immigration.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:12:44pm

re: #371 VegasGolfer

And they’re dumber than rocks.

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Jesus, he looks like a character played by either Randy Quaid or Clancy Brown.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:13:53pm

re: #381 Blind Frog Belly White

Jesus, he looks like a character played by either Randy Quaid or Clancy Brown.

I think that’s Chris Elliott’s evil twin.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:14:04pm
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plansbandc  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:14:22pm
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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:14:29pm

re: #381 Blind Frog Belly White

Def Clancy Brown doppelganger. Unless, it is actually Clancy Brown. Crap.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:14:54pm

re: #383 The Vicious Babushka

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He’s going to stroke out during one of his rants one day.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:15:30pm

re: #361 VegasGolfer

Civility for thee, not me.

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And Mr. KKKlassy himself

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:16:51pm

I’m lobbying to have myself appointed to a new state position when Texas turns blue: Commissioner of Revenge, Reprisal, and Payback.

We will be looking at such things as representative district boundaries as well as relocating Texas Tech to Snyder and re-naming Bastrop County for Nelson Mandela.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:17:00pm

re: #387 BeachDem

And Mr. KKKlassy himself

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In other words forget your conscience, it’s about meeeee!

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:17:09pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

He’s going to stroke out during one of his rants one day.

Soon!?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:17:32pm

We have three pharmacies within sixty miles. One Walgreens and two locally-owned ones. We only use the Walgreens pharmacy for non-drug items (but no more until the corporation fires the guy in Arizona for violating both HIPPA and their own policies). One of the two locally-owned ones wears their religious views on their sleeves like a phylactery (something I believe the guy in the New Testament objected to) and won’t sell anything at all related to sex. All of our business goes to the other locally-owned pharmacy.

Looks like I need to get out the boycott letter-writing pen for Walgreens and let them know why we will no longer shop there.

If for some reason our remaining pharmacy goes Cristofacist or wingnut, we’ll have to go to another state (Wyoming or Colorado) to fill prescriptions.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:17:36pm

I like this one from Ole addled gramps

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:18:29pm
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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:19:08pm

re: #383 The Vicious Babushka

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Trump was about to accuse the “fake news” of not covering something today, then he got distracted by himself and never finished.

That made me laugh so hard, I choked. Daniel Dale is a national treasure (for Canada—they get all the good ones!)

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:19:44pm

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Yep and white Anglos have to nerve to lecture about immigration.

Exactly. First Peoples know what an invasion really is. It came with blankets, whisky, and smallpox.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:20:03pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:20:17pm

re: #266 darthstar

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Denny’s and Waffle House too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:20:33pm

re: #390 b.d.

Soon!?

Wait till November when he’s rejected and loses his majority.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:20:44pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

He’s going to stroke out during one of his rants one day.

From your mouth….

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:21:02pm

I debated whether to post this or not. The first site given to me as a source was World Nut Daily, so I passed. This source is *slightly* better (Christian Post).

Basically, Ivanka Trump gave Jack Graham’s Prestonwood Baptist Church $50,000 last week to help with the immigration crisis. Graham is one of her father’s evangelical advisors:

Graham said that this week he and evangelical advisers will be doing a video conference call with officials who are on the ground in Brownsville to determine what needs there are for the immigrant children and families, and how churches should respond, before members travel there.

He said they’re hoping to plan some kind of event to be held in the first week of July for the children. In addition to Prestonwood leaders, a group of other evangelical leaders who are part of the Trump faith advisory initiative will join Graham in visiting detention centers near the border with Mexico.

christianpost.com

Those kids don’t need any help from Trump’s court evangelicals. Not a bit. However, one thing may come out of this—we may get to actually see pictures of the children snatched away by Trump’s policies, as they’re used as backgrounds for photo operations.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:21:32pm

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh shut up already. You weren’t a good candidate. You are and were the cyst on Rush Limbaugh’s ass.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:22:06pm

re: #397 Patricia Kayden

Denny’s and Waffle House too.

Chik-Fil-A

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:22:08pm

So we cannot rely on the Courts to help us out regarding voter suppression and gerrymandering; we cannot rely on the GOP House and Senate to save this country from the damage inflicted by this administration; our only hope is that there is a blue wave, which thanks to gerrymandering may not be sufficient to retake at least on house; the news media is doing its both sides- ism and we must be polite to Nazis. I am feeling pessimistic this evening.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:22:26pm

re: #388 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’m lobbying to have myself appointed to a new state position when Texas turns blue: Commissioner of Revenge, Reprisal, and Payback.

We will be looking at such things as representative district boundaries as well as relocating Texas Tech to Snyder and re-naming Bastrop County for Nelson Mandela.

Damn. And I so wanted that position…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:22:56pm

re: #385 BigPapa

Def Clancy Brown doppelganger. Unless, it is actually Clancy Brown. Crap.

Have him say, “Ramirez was an effete snob. I took his head, and then I took his woman.”

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:23:33pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:24:01pm

re: #402 The Vicious Babushka

Chik-Fil-A

Yeah, forgot that one.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:24:50pm

Forget it, he’s rollin’.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:25:06pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:25:10pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

He’s going to stroke out during one of his rants one day.

We can hope.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:25:30pm

re: #406 teleskiguy

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The marks LOVE IT when you tell them they’re smart. Then you can sell them anything.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:25:41pm
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MsJ  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:26:05pm

re: #390 b.d.

Soon!?

Hopefully.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:27:02pm
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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:27:04pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:27:35pm

re: #371 VegasGolfer

And they’re dumber than rocks.

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But… that’s incivil

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:27:55pm

re: #412 teleskiguy

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Johnny Carson would have ripped Drumpf into tiny pieces and shit on them.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:28:07pm

I said it a little over a year ago and I will say it again I rather raise a glass to Maxine Waters.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:28:25pm

re: #412 teleskiguy

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He’s closing in on Sammy Maudlin Show territory now.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:31:00pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:31:27pm

re: #391 Anymouse 🌹

We have three pharmacies within sixty miles. One Walgreens and two locally-owned ones. We only use the Walgreens pharmacy for non-drug items (but no more until the corporation fires the guy in Arizona for violating both HIPPA and their own policies). One of the two locally-owned ones wears their religious views on their sleeves like a phylactery (something I believe the guy in the New Testament objected to) and won’t sell anything at all related to sex. All of our business goes to the other locally-owned pharmacy.

Looks like I need to get out the boycott letter-writing pen for Walgreens and let them know why we will no longer shop there.

If for some reason our remaining pharmacy goes Cristofacist or wingnut, we’ll have to go to another state (Wyoming or Colorado) to fill prescriptions.

Have you checked into mail order?

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:31:59pm

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

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I don’t say this lightly: this is one of the weirdest speeches I’ve ever seen Trump give.

He knows his audience—South Carolina, too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:32:08pm

re: #410 Winston_Smith

We can hope.

Too bad that gives us Pence who will enact exactly the same policies without Trump’s flare and acrimonious style. And with him in power, there may not be the same urgency on Dems getting to the polls. Between 1860 and 1928 — a period of 68 years — Democrats were in power for only 16 years, about 23% of the time. The parties were very different from today but a very troubling possibility.

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:32:18pm

re: #420 teleskiguy

So she did get plastic surgery.

That or he beat her up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:32:30pm
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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:32:44pm

There’s a big ass squall line moving toward West Columbia at about 50 mph right now, maybe twenty minutes out. C’mon God! Show us you are real! We need a sign, and we need you to Fucking SHOUT!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:32:55pm

re: #424 MsJ

So she did get plastic surgery.

That or he beat her up.

And they removed a kidney and sold it.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:32:55pm

For some reason my Possible Troll indicator has a non-zero reading on this guy: @AndrewFeinberg. I know he’s verified but still.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:33:28pm
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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:34:28pm

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

And they removed a kidney and sold it.

Or she got another one, damn hoarder.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:35:29pm
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Weaselone  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:36:51pm

re: #302 gocart mozart

YouTube

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:37:57pm

At least the Mercers have a sense of humor about their horror show:

Robert Mercer, the New York hedge-fund magnate whose huge donations to pro-Trump groups in 2016 have been credited with putting Donald Trump in the White House, has kept a low profile since the election. But his daughter Rebekah, who runs the family’s foundation, now has a way to relive the thrill of the campaign with friends around her dinner table. In March, on a ski vacation at a rented house near Vail, Colorado, she brought a batch of copies of the “Rules of Play” for an elaborate parlor game called the Machine Learning President. Essentially, it is a race to the Oval Office in three fifteen-minute rounds. It’s a role-playing game, more like Assassin than like Monopoly, although players of this game do start out with an allotment of “cash” to spend on pushing their agendas, which can include “algorithmic policing” and “mass deportation.”

“Tonight, the name of the game is power,” reads the first page of the “Rules of Play.” Each player, it goes on, “will assume a new political identity.” Instead of becoming Colonel Mustard or Mrs. Peacock, as in the board game Clue, each player takes on the role of a political candidate or a “faction,” in the game’s parlance. Among the possible roles are Mike Pence, Elizabeth Warren, Black Lives Matter, Russia, Y Combinator, Tom Steyer, Wall Street, Evangelicals, the Koch Network, and Robert Mercer himself. (Through a lawyer, Rebekah Mercer acknowledged possessing the game’s “Rules of Play” but denied any role in the creation of the game or that the game reflects her family’s views.)

Rebekah Mercer, the second of Mercer’s three daughters, worked for her father’s hedge fund, Renaissance Technologies, before quitting to homeschool her children. Unlike her reclusive father, who once told a colleague that he prefers the company of cats to that of people, Rebekah likes to socialize. She is said to have brought Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon into the Trump campaign, and she is a guiding force at the annual costume ball hosted by her family at its Long Island estate. (For the 2016 party, which President-elect Trump attended, the theme was “Villains and Heroes.”)

The goal of each player in the Machine Learning President is to win the Presidential election, over three rounds of play, designated as Super Tuesday, the Primary, and the General Election. Each candidate or faction starts with a “Briefing Dossier,” which “outlines your starting Cash, Influence, and Tech capabilities.”

……

In the section of game instructions that lists the possible identities that players can assume, Tom Steyer, the liberal hedge-fund billionaire who is financing a campaign to impeach Trump, is described as seeking “Minimum Wage Increase,” “Universal Basic Income,” and “Full path to citizenship (for undocumented immigrants).” The Rules include a description of Mercer’s father’s “character.” “Robert Mercer,” the instructions say, “sits atop one of the most powerful geo-political networks on the planet,” which is “driven by a next-generation technology stack with a business model.” They go on to note that “the Mercer Family is both a rival and an ally of the Kochs,” and claim that although the Mercers lack the “scale of business” of the Kochs, whose private company is the second largest in America, they compensate for it “with a constellation of over a dozen data analytics, machine learning, and electioneering companies around the world.” They continue, “The Mercers are building a global far-right movement to embed Judeo-Christian values” while “keeping government small, ineffective and out of the way.”

The player who assumes the persona of Robert Mercer starts the game with six hundred million dollars in “cash” to implement his “policy wishlist,” which includes “Mass Deportation of Undocumented Immigrants,” the creation of a “biometrics/Citizens ID,” the use of “Predictive/Algorithmic Policing,” and “Freedom of Religious Discrimination (healthcare, hiring).” In other words, the stakes are higher than buying Boardwalk or sinking your opponent’s battleship. There is no mention of a Get Out of Jail Free card. ♦

newyorker.com

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:38:07pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:38:22pm
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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:38:27pm

re: #426 austin_blue

There’s a big ass squall line moving toward West Columbia at about 50 mph right now, maybe twenty minutes out. C’mon God! Show us you are real! We need a sign, and we need you to Fucking SHOUT!

The Isley Brothers - Shout

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:38:53pm

Yeah, big surprise there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:38:59pm

re: #431 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s really this shit that makes me wonder whether this country has any future. 46% of the voting electorate have given the world’s most precious gift to a malignant narcissist, and they actually love this shit. I cannot fathom what kind of crippled soul would go to a Trump rally and think that this is what they want in a President. How damaged do you have to be?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:39:14pm

re: #377 austin_blue

In the Dakotas, Arizona, Oklahoma, hell, any place the First Peoples live, it goes to the end of the last Ice Age, with many anthropologists suggesting that it might go back as far the last Ice Age +1, based on evidence from South America.

Yes, that’s very true. I should have stated Europeans.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:39:22pm

Ah ha. Formerly at Sputnik News, that’s where I remembered him from.

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nines09  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:40:26pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:40:38pm

re: #408 teleskiguy

Forget it, he’s rollin’.

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If he starts bringing up childhood memories we’ll know his brain rot has advanced.

I think he is about ready to start talking about Susie in eighth grade that turned him down for a kiss. He will trash her and call her a Democrat that doesn’t know what she missed.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:40:41pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

He’s going to stroke out during one of his rants one day.

Fingers crossed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:41:14pm

Trashing Sanford, that’s smart.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:41:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:41:44pm

How does this BroadbandBreakfast site have a White House Correspondent who used to work for a Kremlin propaganda site?

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:42:53pm

He has syphilis.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:43:10pm
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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:44:20pm

re: #445 gocart mozart

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Holy Cow! They found a TV show that Avenatti wouldn’t go on!?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:44:54pm

re: #446 Charles Johnson

How does this BroadbandBreakfast site have a White House Correspondent who used to work for a Kremlin propaganda site?

There’s about a two year period (1990-91) when Sputnik was actually respectable, but if it’s not in that window…

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:45:12pm

re: #447 teleskiguy

He has syphilis.

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Hey, he mentioned Henry McMaster for about a minute…about an hour ago. He’s the total picture of health and wisdom.

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Kilroy was here  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:46:50pm

Manufacturers Are Going Abroad
MAGA

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:47:10pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:49:13pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

He’s going to stroke out during one of his rants one day.

From your mouth to Khorne’s ears.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:50:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:51:47pm

re: #455 Charles Johnson

*singletearsparklyeagle.gif*

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:52:08pm

re: #455 Charles Johnson

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What is capitolism?

Damn, these freaks are stupid.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:52:24pm

re: #455 Charles Johnson

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LOL. Can’t even spell “capitalism.”

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:53:12pm

Naw, I think he’s into state capitols.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:53:32pm
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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:53:32pm

re: #458 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

LOL. Can’t even spell “capitalism.”

“We’re doing it to trigger you libtards!”

Seriously, that’s one one wingnut has told me.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:53:36pm

re: #447 teleskiguy

He has syphilis.

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Gameta.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:54:23pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:54:53pm

re: #461 Teukka

“We’re doing it to trigger you libtards!”

Seriously, that’s one one wingnut has told me.

I do find it amusing when they think that I’m ______ (insert emotion here) when I’m actually laughing my ass off at them.

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:55:10pm

re: #318 Patricia Kayden

“I think it’s a big element of white privilege that we can have relatives and friends who like having a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic, bloviating ignoramus for President, and still consider them ‘good people’, because really, it’s not our ox that’s getting gored.”

Amen to that. If you are comfortable voting for Trump, then you’re obviously comfortable with his bigotry, bullying and churlish behavior and comments. There’s no two ways about it.

You support a pig you’re a pig

No two ways about it
It is that simple

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:56:05pm
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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:56:40pm

This is just so moronic—but I repeat myself. (And note that even when he’s complimenting her, it is really only because she is complimenting him. Yep—a true measure of intelligence)

“And the one who knew was my wife. She said you know -” he paused as the audience applauded Melania. “She’s very smart. She said, ‘You know there’s nobody that can take your place, don’t you?’ I said, ‘Thank you, darling.’ How smart is that? I don’t know if she believes it, but she said, ‘There’s nothing that can take your place. He will not be successful. There’s nobody, darling, that can take your place?’ How smart is she? How smart. How smart.”

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:56:41pm

re: #453 teleskiguy

Bulls on Parade….

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:57:35pm

Uh oh. Apparently we have a Stage 2 Chuck C. Johnson Event underway. Developing…

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:58:06pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

I missed the part of theology class where God has to be male. But please lecture us some more you worthless sack of shit.

actually… elohim is plural. God’s pronoun isn’t he or she, it’s “they”. Just like the gender-ambiguous Taylor on “Billions”.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:58:31pm

re: #469 Charles Johnson

Uh oh. Apparently we have a Stage 2 Chuck C. Johnson Event underway. Developing…

*groan* What is Floorus shittus up to now?

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:58:39pm

re: #466 gocart mozart

3, 5, 7, and part of 10 are enough.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:58:42pm

re: #421 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Have you checked into mail order?

My medications come from mail order via the VA. We buy my wife’s at the pharmacy. As long as the fellow doesn’t go full metal wingnut, I’m fine with supporting a local businessperson.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 5:59:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:00:05pm

re: #459 BigPapa

Naw, I think he’s into state capitols.

Maybe he’s not an American.

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:01:16pm

Return of Chuccubus, Episode 182

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:02:31pm

re: #469 Charles Johnson

Oh. My. Fuck.

Facebook Post

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:02:38pm

re: #474 gocart mozart

I think this is worth saving:

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:02:47pm

re: #475 Anymouse 🌹

Maybe he’s not an American.

‘You’re either American or you’re American’t. WHICH IS IT?’

Practicing my bot persona.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:03:14pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:03:34pm

re: #466 gocart mozart

She’s quite dim.

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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:04:17pm

Sorry Dem leadership, there needs to be a line drawn. We’re way past that.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:04:51pm

re: #480 gocart mozart

It sounds like Mr Woods needs some medication.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:05:16pm

re: #477 teleskiguy

This appears to offer all kinds of green screen opportunities to the talented.

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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:05:23pm

Also, WTF Nats?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:05:34pm

re: #477 teleskiguy

Yeah. I’m looking at this going WTF. Seriously. He posed for pictures like this? Probably with that Peter Duke weirdo.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:05:58pm

re: #469 Charles Johnson

Uh oh. Apparently we have a Stage 2 Chuck C. Johnson Event underway. Developing…

re: #471 Teukka

*groan* What is Floorus shittus up to now?

re: #477 teleskiguy

Oh. My. Fuck.

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I hope it isn’t anything that isn’t doomed to failure.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:06:19pm

re: #480 gocart mozart

I used to think Woods was talented for his portrayal of a schizophrenic in a TV movie long ago.

Now I wonder how much of it was acting.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:06:47pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:07:36pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

I guess he’s incredibly wealthy now? At least according to him.

Facebook Post

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:07:59pm

re: #477 teleskiguy

Oh. My. Fuck.

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Sad, Rage Furby, most people just laugh their asses off at your incompetence.

By the way, how’s it going with your hot asian wife? Did you you know that you are part of the 17% of marriages that David Duke fears is destroying ‘Murica?

Oh, wait, you’re divorcing without issue? That’s fine, then, you’re back in the tribe! You can get a TradWife, now!

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:08:01pm

re: #488 Blind Frog Belly White

I used to think Woods was talented for his portrayal of a schizophrenic in a TV movie long ago.

Now I wonder how much of it was acting.

I think the problem with being a wingnut actor in Hollywood is no on has to pay attention to you, so I think he keeps ramping it up for attention.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:08:46pm

The Washington Post lectures liberals on civility while we get this today:

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:09:53pm

re: #490 teleskiguy

BWAHAHAHAHA! Even if he was telling the truth, that would probably cover the office furniture and maybe the security system.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:09:57pm

re: #477 teleskiguy

Oh boy, this is a creepy look.

Also, what does that shit say? I see “Bullets, Billions” and it looks like a Bitcoin logo.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:11:00pm

Can’t it be sooner?

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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:11:27pm

re: #496 The Vicious Babushka

Can’t it be sooner?

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Working on it…

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:11:39pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:12:12pm

Oh Shit, Maddow has tapes from inside where kids are being held.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:12:33pm

re: #493 Anymouse 🌹

The Washington Post lectures liberals on civility while we get this today:

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Yawn didn’t see you complain when the Bundy Ranch thugs occupied government property and actually threatened officials you stupid fuck.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:12:38pm

re: #493 Anymouse 🌹

If we were to have a civil war, we would need to think Spain with all the other countries that will get involved.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:13:41pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

Yeah. I’m looking at this going WTF. Seriously. He posed for pictures like this? Probably with that Peter Duke weirdo.

Remarkable how well you have gotten under that incompetent robo-dweeb’s tender, thin skin.

He just can’t quit you!

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:13:50pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

Yeah. I’m looking at this going WTF. Seriously. He posed for pictures like this? Probably with that Peter Duke weirdo.

It’s not like you’re in his head at all…..nosiree

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dangerman  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:14:01pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

Oh shut up you drama queen. The restaurant denied Huckabee Sanders. I’m sure they’d let your sorry ass in even though you’re a feckless fucking baby.

Cause likely you’re not important enough for anyone to recognize you

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:14:34pm

re: #499 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Oh Shit, Maddow has tapes from inside where kids are being held.

Watching…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:15:32pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

Yeah. I’m looking at this going WTF. Seriously. He posed for pictures like this? Probably with that Peter Duke weirdo.

You’re living rent free in his head.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:15:46pm

re: #498 gocart mozart

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I always thought Busey. Get Tara Reid for Ivanka.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:15:55pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:16:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:16:59pm

re: #509 gocart mozart

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Lol

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:19:27pm

My heart is breaking watching Rachel showing the video and audio clips. When an asshole in the prison is threatening the kids if they talk to the press…I say Go Maxine and nail those monsters!

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:20:04pm

And Trumpf was not struck down by a lightning bolt from the Almighty. C’mon, God! You had Only. One. Job!

{sigh}

Another opportunity to prove his existence wasted.

Back to agnosticism I go…

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plansbandc  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:20:44pm

If it really becomes a Civil War, this one will be neighbor against neighbor, house against house. It will not have a clear war zone at all. I think, if it really comes that, this country will be reduced to ash.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:21:04pm

re: #512 Joe Bacon 🌹

My heart is breaking watching Rachel showing the video and audio clips. When an asshole in the prison is threatening the kids if they talk to the press…I say Go Maxine and nail those monsters!

If the media spent a fraction on this that they have on Trump’s daily whines….

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:21:10pm

re: #512 Joe Bacon 🌹

My heart is breaking watching Rachel showing the video and audio clips. When an asshole in the prison is threatening the kids if they talk to the press…I say Go Maxine and nail those monsters!

She can’t do it by herself and the leaders of her party don’t seem interested.

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Jay C  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:21:19pm

re: #469 Charles Johnson

Uh oh. Apparently we have a Stage 2 Chuck C. Johnson Event underway. Developing…

“Stage 2” or just “Number Two”?

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:21:55pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

Yeah. I’m looking at this going WTF. Seriously. He posed for pictures like this? Probably with that Peter Duke weirdo.

I’m groovin’ on the green background. It’s always the best color for making a redhead look sickly and creepy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:22:04pm

re: #514 plansbandc

If it really becomes a Civil War, this one will be neighbor against neighbor, house against house. It will not have a clear war zone at all. I think, if it really comes that, this country will be reduced to ash.

It’s a scary thought. I hope it doesn’t come to that. OTOH something needs to be done to ensure someone like Trump doesn’t get elected ever again.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:22:07pm

re: #517 Jay C

“Stage 2” or just “Number Two”?

Yes. Yes, indeed.

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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:22:31pm

re: #511 nines09

JFC it’s real.

Finally, the perfect tacticool outfit for the Wall Street banker in your life

Totally uncool, brah.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:22:42pm

re: #516 Winston_Smith

She can’t do it by herself and the leaders of her party don’t seem interested.

That would be why none of them marched or tried to get into the camps. //

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:24:12pm

This ought to go over well in The Philippines:

Philippines’ President Duterte: “who is this stupid God?” (Goes to Aliteia, a Catholic news site based in France)

Philippines, [sic] President Rodrigo Duterte has once again drawn criticism for his remarks seen as confrontational towards the Catholic Church. In a speech on Friday, he questioned the Creation story and the doctrine of original sin in the Bible, saying, “Who is this stupid God?”

His remarks elicited criticism from Catholic leaders and some of his own allies, according to a CBS News report.

Bishop Arturo Bastes called Duterte said, “”Duterte’s tirade against God and the Bible reveals again that he is a psychological freak, a psychopath, an abnormal mind who should have not been elected as president of our civilized and Christian nation,” according to the report.

Sen. Panfilo Lacson, a former national police chief and supporter of Duterte’s policies, criticized the president for speaking against God “to whom I pray every single day and with whom I’ve found solace and comfort in all my difficult times, I don’t even have to think of my choice.”

“May my God forgive him and make him atone for all his sins,” Lacson said.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:24:35pm

re: #517 Jay C

“Stage 2” or just “Number Two”?

Touché!

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:24:41pm
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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:24:51pm

re: #519 HappyWarrior

It’s a scary thought. I hope it doesn’t come to that. OTOH something needs to be done to ensure someone like Trump doesn’t get elected ever again.

Since he is the poster boy for a one-off megalomaniac, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that it won’ happen again. The smoking wreckage of the coming Trade War fallout will ensure that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:25:09pm

re: #512 Joe Bacon 🌹

My heart is breaking watching Rachel showing the video and audio clips. When an asshole in the prison is threatening the kids if they talk to the press…I say Go Maxine and nail those monsters!

I will have to get clips when they become available on YouTube.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:25:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:25:41pm

re: #526 austin_blue

Since he is the poster boy for a one-off megalomaniac, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that it won’ happen again. The smoking wreckage of the coming Trade War fallout will ensure that.

Hope you’re right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:27:41pm

re: #455 Charles Johnson

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#capitolism

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:28:19pm

re: #529 HappyWarrior

Hope you’re right.

Me too, with all of my heart. We cannot let it happen again.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:28:32pm

re: #493 Anymouse 🌹

WHY THE FUCK WOULDN’T I CHEER ON HARPER’S FERRY, STEVE KING, YOU FUCK

This is the end point of the “civility”prating: at some point it comes down to the status quo versus the moral, and courtesy invariably favors the former.

Not that there’s an actual standard of “civility” being applied. Once again, bad faith rule applies: the words don’t mean anything, the only axiom is the inherent correctness of their side.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:28:45pm

re: #466 gocart mozart

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Actually, things would be much worse than that. Trump is a violent thug. I don’t even want to predict what he’ll tell his supporters to do if Republicans control Congress after November.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:29:26pm

re: #527 Anymouse 🌹

I will have to get clips when they become available on YouTube.

I’m in tears. Hearing Michael Avenatti talk about what he’s doing for these children—he’s laying his life on the line. I am so fearful that something will happen to him.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:29:44pm

re: #533 Patricia Kayden

Actually, things would be much worse than that. Trump is a violent thug. I don’t even want to predict what he’ll tell his supporters to do if Republicans control Congress after November.

You don’t need to, what they’ll do is pretty much given…

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:30:26pm

re: #534 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m in tears. Hearing Michael Avenatti talk about what he’s doing for these children—he’s laying his life on the line. I am so fearful that something will happen to him.

Me too… But his courage…
You know he has a lion fleece, right? It’s not dead, it’s just terrified to move…

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:31:36pm

re: #528 gocart mozart

I’m so chicken that I can’t watch that video. Just too much. Randi Rhodes played the clip of three Evangelicals deriding these migrant children as rapists and “God haters”. No empathy at all. It was awful. Sigh.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:33:14pm

re: #477 teleskiguy

This, right here? This is some crazy ass shit.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:35:02pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

I’m trying to figure out his angle. Fuckin’ out of left field, as it were.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:35:02pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

This, right here? This is some crazy ass shit.

If Rage Furby really is worth $100M, his divorce proceedings should be very interesting. CA is a community property state, right?

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:35:07pm

re: #537 Patricia Kayden

I’m so chicken that I can’t watch that video. Just too much. Randi Rhodes played the clip of three Evangelicals deriding these migrant children as rapists and “God haters”. No empathy at all. It was awful. Sigh.

I understand the hashtag #NeverAgainIsNow :(

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:35:16pm

re: #477 teleskiguy

Oh. My. Fuck.

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Image removed from Facebook????????

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:35:56pm

re: #542 Joe Bacon 🌹

I still see it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:36:32pm

re: #527 Anymouse 🌹

I will have to get clips when they become available on YouTube.

All of the MSNBC shows have their own web sites with videos. They are all uniform in layout pretty much. Often the popular evening shows get their videos up just after the show, sometimes while the show is still going on. They are usually segments and you can see when they were in the show by the time marked on the bottom by the date.

You don’t need YouTube. Also, if you want you can embed the videos here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:36:33pm

re: #543 teleskiguy

I still see it.

Fella, what is it?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:37:42pm

re: #542 Joe Bacon 🌹

Image removed from Facebook????????

It’s still there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:38:03pm

I am here to testify conservatives don’t give a crap about homeless vets. All they have is deflection and whataboutism.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:38:04pm

I’ve tried Safari, Firefox and Chrome and they all show…

This Facebook post is no longer available. It may have been removed or the privacy settings of the post may have changed.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:38:11pm

re: #511 nines09

JFC it’s real.

Finally, the perfect tacticool outfit for the Wall Street banker in your life

Looks like a bomb vest. I would not allow this at my office, lest the building security guard shoot them on the way in the door.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:38:24pm

re: #545 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fella, what is it?

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:38:43pm

re: #548 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ve tried Safari, Firefox and Chrome and they all show…

This Facebook post is no longer available. It may have been removed or the privacy settings of the post may have changed.

You’re blocked.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:38:44pm

re: #526 austin_blue

Since he is the poster boy for a one-off megalomaniac, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that it won’ happen again. The smoking wreckage of the coming Trade War fallout will ensure that.

Sorry, there’s no way this is true.

Another dictator elected to rule America is far more likely than not. When Trump finally leaves office, it is highly likely that the US media and both parties will want to ‘put this all behind us’. There will be no blame, no recriminations, and the people who enabled all this horror, who actively engineered it, will continue on with their wealth and power. The angry cult that voted for it will remain in thrall and become angrier. Just like after the failures of the Bush years, cultists doubled down and got worse, so too the next American dictator won’t even bother attempting to hide crimes, but will brag about them openly like Duterte does, knowing that there are no consequences for doing so.

That’s the consistent message of both-siderism, of white privilege, of voter restrictions, stolen Supreme Court seats, and gerrymandering. That message is: there are no consequences. Commit crimes? No consequences. Insult the military? No consequences. Deliver openly racist rants? No consequences. Kidnap children, enslave blacks, spit on the Constitution, incite violence, and generally be a cruel, narcissistic cunt? No consequences. There are never any consequences as long as you pay homage to white supremacy and privilege, and all the institutions of the United States will ensure that you never face any consequences.

A trade war and economic pain may hurt, but I don’t think it will ruin enough people to count as a consequence. It certainly won’t hurt the people who never face any consequences. And without consequences, another Trump is guaranteed. Except this one will probably be worse, because he probably won’t be as stupid.

Unless it’s Don Jr. Because he’s at least as stupid.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:38:47pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:40:37pm

re: #550 teleskiguy

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OK…so somebody dipped their hands into Roseanne’s Ambien stash…

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:41:21pm

re: #551 teleskiguy

You’re blocked.

Which is really weird. I’m not blocked, even after I’ve sent him this:

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:42:13pm

re: #480 gocart mozart

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:44:25pm

Here’s the screenshot for those who can’t see Chuck’s weird post.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:45:22pm

re: #557 Charles Johnson

I’m confused. That’s really him, not some artful distraction?

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:45:45pm

re: #557 Charles Johnson

Dumb and Dumberer 3.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:46:31pm

re: #557 Charles Johnson

Here’s the screenshot for those who can’t see Chuck’s weird post.

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Huh?

What fresh hell is this?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:46:39pm

re: #540 wheat-dogg

If Rage Furby really is worth $100M, his divorce proceedings should be very interesting. CA is a community property state, right?

GAH. Everything out of his pie hole is bullshit on a floor.

562
Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:46:59pm

re: #556 Unshaken Defiance

You mean like Charlottesville, James, that type of violence, where white guys feel they go after anyone that gets in their way?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:48:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:49:05pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:50:15pm

re: #455 Charles Johnson

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Capitolism?

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:51:05pm

Rachel mentioning that Mattis had no idea that Trump was going to cancel the South Korean joint military exercises. They learned after he announced it after his meeting with Kim. Trump didn’t tell anyone he was going to give that up in the negotiation…but may have gotten the idea and prompt from Vlad.

Trump is so totally out of control. Dangerously. But Mitch and Paulie will remain silent.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:51:33pm

re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the presstitutes still will trade their freedom for access.

The press is the only business which is guaranteed a right to exist in the Constitution.

Will they object of one of them is killed or jailed, or are they going to “both sides” that too?

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makeitstop  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:52:06pm

re: #557 Charles Johnson

Here’s the screenshot for those who can’t see Chuck’s weird post.

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I’ve got a really bad feeling that this is a clue that he’s about to come after you, Charles.

Why else would he take the time and trouble to do this?

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bratwurst  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:53:17pm

re: #557 Charles Johnson

Here’s the screenshot for those who can’t see Chuck’s weird post.

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I cannot recall ever seeing someone in photos and being 100% absolutely positively sure that they have significant body odor as I am when I see photos of Chuck C. Johnson.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:53:58pm

Executioner: “Do you have any last words before sentence is carried out upon you?”

Journalist: “But her E-mails.”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:54:49pm

re: #552 Renaissance_Man

It’s experiments in creating a system in which there’s a small elect group that are effectively libertines, an insulating layer of rubes, and a vast farm of people to be preyed on, too desperate to resist.

A level of power beyond Marxist categories. Beyond aristocracy. Think that sounds crazy? Consider the mix of contenders: religious nuts who believe they directly hear God, libertarians fucking about with immortality. They’re not operating in human terms at all.

The continuing theme, found in the Religious Right; the nationalists and racists; the libertarians; the con men; it applies even to the conspiracy types, who have world of heroes, villains, and sheep.: people don’t really matter except as means.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:55:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:57:19pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:57:21pm

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:58:03pm

re: #547 Anymouse 🌹

I am here to testify conservatives don’t give a crap about homeless vets. All they have is deflection and whataboutism.

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They’re kids. And man I wish conservatives would shut up about homeless vets while they have never given a crap about them except as a cudgel to say we shouldn’t help refugees or immigrants.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:58:35pm

re: #574 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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It’s not a coincidence.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:58:43pm

So, my House district runoff made Rachel’s show tonight—and I can tell you that the quote from Robert Williams that he didn’t know about the crap that Rhinesmith has posted is a GIGANTIC LIE. I know this for a fact, because I know people who spoke to Williams about it weeks ago. He is full o’shit.

And the DCCC saying they knew nothing about it is bogus as well, because it has all over the place.

Short explanation, if you didn’t watch—the leading Dem in our runoff tomorrow has a raging right-wing campaign manager who has been blowing bad notes on Dems for years. He (the candidate) led in the primary, but didn’t clear 50%.

Oh, South Carolina, you never disappoint me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 6:59:26pm

re: #572 Backwoods_Sleuth

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thooleramawn: Irish from dúlamán, which is in turn from dúramán, a dull-witted or stupid person.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:00:35pm

re: #578 Backwoods_Sleuth

thooleramawn: Irish from dúlamán, which is in turn from dúramán, a dull-witted or stupid person.

Oh how I wish I could speak our ancestors tongue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:01:06pm

Heya HW! Found something fun for ya:
A HISTORY OF IRELAND in 100 insults.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:01:06pm
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:01:33pm

re: #577 BeachDem

So is the campaign manager there as a fifth columnist, or is the district just so conservative that kind of crossover is no big deal?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:01:38pm

re: #580 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heya HW! Found something fun for ya:
A HISTORY OF IRELAND in 100 insults.

Thanks!

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:02:01pm

re: #581 Winston_Smith

Baby. A pan-roasted baby.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:02:32pm

re: #584 jaunte

Baby. A pan-roasted baby.

with fava beans and a nice chianti

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:03:19pm

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

A big slice of chocolate cake and two scoops of baby ice cream.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:03:46pm

re: #579 HappyWarrior

Oh how I wish I could speak our ancestors tongue.

You can learn the basics of Irish Gaelic with Duolingo

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:04:22pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:05:28pm

re: #573 Anymouse 🌹

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“America’s military once liberated people from concentration camps,” Noboa told The Daily Beast. “It beggars the mind and our morality that it might be used to secure them.”

That Sherman tank they keep as a memorial is liable to start itself up, trundle off to the detention camp, and knock down the gate just out of custom and habit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:05:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:06:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:07:36pm

THIS:

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plansbandc  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:08:22pm

re: #589 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It really is particularly sick they are being built on military bases. Why is this OK with anyone?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:09:05pm

re: #591 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really? Your boss has been complaining about immigration judges all day. Shut up already.

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Weaselone  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:11:01pm

re: #567 Anymouse 🌹

And the presstitutes still will trade their freedom for access.

The press is the only business which is guaranteed a right to exist in the Constitution.

Will they object of one of them is killed or jailed, or are they going to “both sides” that too?

Probably. I’ll protest to preserve freedom of the Press, but I’m still buying tickets if Trump has Maggie Haberman and Chuck Todd duel to the death in the Trumpiseum. I’ll probably even cheer if he has the champion fed to the lions.

Media: Help us. Trump is feeding us to lions and Democrats are are heckling us. Both sii…argghhh!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:13:33pm

re: #580 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heya HW! Found something fun for ya:
A HISTORY OF IRELAND in 100 insults.

61 YIDDISH CURSES YOU NEED TO KNOW

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:14:35pm

re: #584 jaunte

Baby. A pan-roasted baby.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:15:57pm
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:16:03pm
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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:18:01pm

re: #597 Anymouse 🌹

I got the whore’s derbs:

Catwich
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:18:05pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:18:59pm

re: #599 jaunte

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Why are these reporters still covering these White Trash rallies?

They shouldn’t cover them at all.

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unproven innocence  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:19:51pm

re: #593 plansbandc

It really is particularly sick they are being built on military bases. Why is this OK with anyone?

It is part of a calculated smear campaign, entirely politically motivated, against the people being held captive in order to demonize them. Even the children and infants. And it is NOT ok.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:19:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:20:05pm

re: #601 Anymouse 🌹

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That’s the thing isn’t it. And it’s why while I appreciate some of the Never Trumpers, their refusal to admit their party’s complicity in why Trump was so acceptable to their base pisses me off. Hell Romney as of a few months ago was bragging he was to the right of Trump on immigration. I guess Mitt wants the kids to have to listen to him talk.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:20:22pm

re: #600 BigPapa

Whoa that’s rather disturbing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:21:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:21:18pm

re: #604 jaunte

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I spent part of the evening playing with my niece. Goddamnit, I want those kids to be able to smile and laugh like she does.

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Cheechako  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:23:06pm

re: #593 plansbandc

It really is particularly sick they are being built on military bases. Why is this OK with anyone?

They’re using military bases because they have very tight access control. Keeps the reporters and the public away and the kids out of sight.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:23:28pm

Standing before U.S. District Judge Stephen Wilson in a downtown courtroom, Anthony Scott Lloyd admitted the charge. The 45-year-old San Pedro man is scheduled to be sentenced in July, when he will face up to 10 years in prison. He is likely to receive a far lighter punishment, however.

In pleading guilty, Lloyd acknowledged calling Waters’ Washington office on Oct. 22 and leaving a voicemail in which he repeatedly threatened to kill the Los Angeles congresswoman, called her by a racial slur and made a homophobic remark.

Lloyd told authorities he made the call after becoming angered while listening to a report on talk radio that criticized Waters, a Democrat, for making critical comments about Trump, an arrest affidavit showed.

“Bitch, if you do it again, you’re dead,” Lloyd said in the call, according to court records…”
latimes.com

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:23:44pm

re: #582 jaunte

So is the campaign manager there as a fifth columnist, or is the district just so conservative that kind of crossover is no big deal?

Definitely 5th columnist. The candidate is also running for his current seat in the SC House—he only showed up for 2 events around here during the whole primary season and his campaign would never return phone calls about anything.

I’m not sure what their game is—frankly, I don’t think any Dem is going to beat the incumbent Republican (which is why I’m devoting my time, effort and money to Joe Cunningham’s campaign in the 1st district and to the governor’s race.) But it is weird.

Here’s the article about the Rachel segment.

msnbc.com

As I said—we’ve known about these posts for months, and one of my friends confronted Williams about Rhinesmith several weeks ago—Williams said, “Oh, I thought he was a Democrat.” Yeah, right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:27:03pm

re: #577 BeachDem

OK, I was wondering who Patti was tweeting about:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:28:38pm

re: #604 jaunte

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This reminds me, since wingnuts are fond of bringing up Elian Gonzales as an example of HURR HURR LOOK WHAT TEH DEMOCRATS DIDDD!!!!!! was he not brought here by a non-custodial parent? And the iconic photo shows non-parental units trying to hide him from his actual parent.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:28:57pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:30:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:31:44pm

re: #613 The Vicious Babushka

This reminds me, since wingnuts are fond of bringing up Elian Gonzales as an example of HURR HURR LOOK WHAT TEH DEMOCRATS DIDDD!!!!!! was he not brought here by a non-custodial parent? And the iconic photo shows non-parental units trying to hide him from his actual parent.

I always thought that was such an unfortunate situation all the way around but in the end he belonged with his father.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:32:06pm

re: #615 gocart mozart

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Nazi shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:37:12pm

re: #602 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why are these reporters still covering these White Trash rallies?

They shouldn’t cover them at all.

Access. They’ll cover their own demise if that gets a few eyeballs or dollars.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:37:36pm

re: #612 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, I was wondering who Patti was tweeting about:

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I appreciate her fervor (and hope she wins) but this whole mess hasn’t got a thing to do with progressive anything. It’s total rat-fucking (very similar to the 2010 campaign of Ben Frasier (DON’T get me started!)

In 2010, James Clyburn accused Frasier and South Carolina U.S Senate candidate Alvin Greene of being Republican plants.[23] The group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) alleging that primary-winner Frasier, Greene, and two other candidates in the June 8, 2010 Democratic primary in South Carolina (Gregory Brown and Brian Doyle) violated the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) and FEC regulations by failing to file mandatory disclosure reports prior to the 2010 South Carolina primary election.[24]

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