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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:22:12pm
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:27:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:29:30pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Soledad is the best.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:31:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:32:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:32:59pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Are you fucking kidding me?

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:33:03pm

Team Trump was going to negotiate immunity with Assange.
How Comey intervened to kill WikiLeaks’ immunity deal

Trump DGAF about the CIA.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:33:38pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

David Gergen must have been asleep a lot back then.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:35:28pm

re: #8 jaunte

David Gergen must have been asleep a lot back then.

LBJ, how many kids did you kill today was just please no war. And I’ve got news for him, even with MLK how he was, people including the Presidents you worked for still resented him.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:36:23pm

re: #2 jaunte

Except yesterday she liked Flake’s rebuke of Waters for her comment:

I generally agree with her, but I felt she was wrong on that.

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:36:53pm

re: #8 jaunte

David Gergen must have been asleep a lot back then.

He didn’t think calling people n*ggers was impolite, everyone was doing it back then!

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:36:54pm

good grief these people are stupid

An Ontario eatery has been targeted by supporters of Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who likely mistook the establishment for the Virginia restaurant the White House press secretary was asked to leave on Friday.

The negative comments on the Facebook page belonging to The Olde Red Hen in Collingwood, Ont., are likely due to the two restaurant’s similar names. Sanders tweeted on Saturday that the owner of the Red Hen in Lexington, Va. told her to leave because she works for U.S. President Donald Trump.

Meanwhile in Collingwood, Ont., the Olde Red Hen’s Facebook page has been inundated with angry comments and bad reviews.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:38:14pm

re: #10 Belafon

Considering the scale of possibilities from silence up to imprisoning babies, heckling is pretty soft.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:38:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:39:01pm

re: #11 b.d.

He didn’t think calling people n*ggers was impolite, everyone was doing it back then!

//

Billy Graham pretending to be a friend of the Jewish people while making Anti Semitic jokes was polite!

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:39:24pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Are you fucking kidding me?

Yeah. How civil was Kent State?

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:39:44pm

We should expect people giving us the “news” to be at least halfway educated.

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:40:35pm

BILL AYERS WAS THE ONLY UNCIVIL PERSON BACK THEN!……..oh….and….HILLARY

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:41:06pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

Things were so civil during the anti-war movement that a few thousand UT students getting teargassed protesting the bombing of Cambodia barely made the local news.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:41:10pm

re: #16 Belafon

Yeah. How civil was Kent State?

Or how the Freedom Riders were treated.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:41:47pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

LBJ, how many kids did you kill today was just please no war. And I’ve got news for him, even with MLK how he was, people including the Presidents you worked for still resented him.

“Hey! Hey! LBJ!” I think it was.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:41:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:42:18pm

From the previous thread:

re: #593 plansbandc

It really is particularly sick they are being built on military bases. Why is this OK with anyone?

re: #609 Cheechako

They’re using military bases because they have very tight access control. Keeps the reporters and the public away and the kids out of sight.

Yup.

The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the Air Force and the Army from operating as a police force within the USA (unless a governor requests them or the government declares a state in rebellion).

In theory, they could use Navy bases for this. Using an Army and Air Force base also has the effect of weakening the Posse Comitatus Act … that would be necessary to impose martial law on areas and make it stick.

The officer corps of the Pentagon is at real risk of mutiny of the enlisted personnel of the Armed Forces if they go through with this. Moreover, if the Armed Forces divide over this issue, they then become useless for anything (as factions of the military would be opposing each other).

This is perfect from the view of Steve Bannon and folks like Karl Rove.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:42:51pm

Llre: #21 stpaulbear

“Hey! Hey! LBJ!” I think it was.

Yes my bad.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:43:02pm

re: #21 stpaulbear

“Hey! Hey! LBJ!” I think it was.

Yeah, it was “Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids did you kill today?!”

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:43:42pm

WHEN THEY REFUSED TO SERVE THOSE COLOREDS AT THE WOOLWORTH RESTAURANT THEY WERE VERY POLITE ABOUT IT.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:43:50pm

re: #22 jaunte

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Your candidates literally talked about second amendment solutions over health care reform. Shut your fucking mouths.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:45:23pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

The anti-war movement? We fucking stopped troop trains you motherfucking Washington pinhead.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:45:36pm

Or Trump encouraging violence at his rallies but yeah showing anger to public servants too chicken shit to answer difficult questions is just awful.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:46:44pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:46:49pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Yes my bad.

You’re never bad.

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b.d.  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:47:12pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I can almost hear that civil tone now…
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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:47:50pm

re: #32 b.d.

Looks just like a Trump rally.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:49:00pm

re: #33 Winston_Smith

Looks just like a Trump rally.

That’s the Throwback Thursday photo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:49:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:49:17pm

re: #30 Single-handed sailor

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Of course.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:50:14pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:51:10pm
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:53:18pm
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makeitstop  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:53:28pm

Tomorrow is NY primary day! The race here in the 2nd District of LI is between Presiding Officer in the Suffolk County Legislature DuWayne Gregory and businesswoman and activist Liuba Grechen Shirley. Tough choice. Both seem like they’d do a good job in the House.

I’m leaning towards Liuba, simply because I look at how the men in Congress have screwed shit up and I’m inclined to hand the keys to a woman for a change.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:53:44pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

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Issac is a poopy pants.// Conversely I feel Scarface is overrated.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:53:54pm

Just the one in ten thousand that takes it seriously and shoots up a church.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:54:30pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Issac is a poopy pants.// Conversely I feel Scarface is overrated.

Scarface is a shit film.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:54:51pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And (I know I sound like a broken record but) let’s not forget the Orangeburg Massacre.

The Orangeburg massacre refers to the shooting of protesters by South Carolina Highway Patrol officers in Orangeburg, South Carolina, on the South Carolina State University campus on the evening of February 8, 1968.

This was the first incident of its kind on a United States university campus. The Orangeburg killings received relatively little media coverage. The events predated the 1970 Kent State shootings and Jackson State killings, in which protesters against the Vietnam War were killed by the National Guard, and by the local and state highway patrol, respectively. The perceived overreaction by law enforcement helped galvanize public opinion against the war as well.

en.wikipedia.org

Bakari Sellers’ father—who was one of the protesters—was the only person to go to prison. (I’ve posted two pages on this over the years.)

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:55:02pm

Rather, a bunch of black church-goers.

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:55:34pm

Dennis Quaid was a better Doc Holliday than Val Kilmer. Fight me.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:56:10pm

re: #42 jaunte

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Just the one in ten-thousand that takes it seriously and shoots up a church.

The biggest problem is that 50 some odd of them willing to take money for it sit in the Senate.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:56:26pm

And the confusion over whether it’s real or an act is a handy smokescreeen.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:57:27pm

Escape From L.A. was better than Escape From New York.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:57:34pm

re: #40 makeitstop

Tomorrow is NY primary day! The race here in the 2nd District of LI is between Presiding Officer in the Suffolk County Legislature DuWayne Gregory and businesswoman and activist Liuba Grechen Shirley. Tough choice. Both seem like they’d do a good job in the House.

I’m leaning towards Liuba, simply because I look at how the men in Congress have screwed shit up and I’m inclined to hand the keys to a woman for a change.

Well, there are a few women who can screw things up as well (Michele Bachmann, Marsha Blackburn, &c). “Woman” is not my consideration, “most liberal available” is.

That said, there is a reason there are far more women in the Democratic Caucus.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:58:01pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

Scarface is a shit film.

Indeed. Tony Montana is a cartoon character. Pacino overacts big time. Michael Corleone meanwhile is a brilliant character.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:58:17pm

I do wonder how much Sandy Hook might have broke people in this country. There were so many supporters in the country that a law restricting ownership should have passed easily, and yet, nothing.

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:58:50pm

Angus nails it: thread

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:59:39pm

re: #40 makeitstop

Tomorrow is NY primary day! The race here in the 2nd District of LI is between Presiding Officer in the Suffolk County Legislature DuWayne Gregory and businesswoman and activist Liuba Grechen Shirley. Tough choice. Both seem like they’d do a good job in the House.

I’m leaning towards Liuba, simply because I look at how the men in Congress have screwed shit up and I’m inclined to hand the keys to a woman for a change.

Those are both good choices. May the best one win.

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TedStriker  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:59:41pm

re: #46 BigPapa

Dennis Quaid was a better Doc Holliday than Val Kilmer. Fight me.

I’m your huckleberry.

/

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 7:59:47pm
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makeitstop  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:02:10pm

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹

Well, there are a few women who can screw things up as well (Michele Bachmann, Marsha Blackburn, &c). “Woman” is not my consideration, “most liberal available” is.

Luckily, neither are running in my district. I’d be happy sending either one of the candidates to the House, honestly. I’d love to send the repulsive Peter King back to the private sector, and I’ll work for whoever comes out on top in the primary.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:02:49pm

I found this article about the fast growing but severely stressed field of fact checking most interesting: washingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:03:32pm
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TedStriker  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:04:09pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

Escape From L.A. was better than Escape From New York.

Nah, simply because they’re completely different styles; EfNY is an action thriller, whereas EfLA is completely a cheesy rehash. That’s not to say that I didn’t like EfLA, it’s just not in the same ballpark as the original.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:04:28pm

John Wayne is overrated

A Christmas Story though I enjoy it also is

Day of the Jackal is an underrated thriller.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:05:19pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:05:57pm

re: #39 jaunte

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As I said, ohhh so long ago, it is WWE.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:06:28pm
Andy Rementer

Hey, good news for puzzle freaks! The New Yorker has started running crosswords again, and for the nonce at least, they’re free to solve online:

newyorker.com

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TedStriker  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:07:08pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

John Wayne is overrated

A Christmas Story though I enjoy it also

Day of the Jackal is an underrated thriller.

You take that back!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:09:20pm

re: #65 TedStriker

You take that back!

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I like it man but it’s overplayed and I like Home Alone more.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:09:25pm
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:10:07pm

Time zones, who knew?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:10:29pm

re: #67 jaunte

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Is he stupid, thinks his audience is, or just plain senile?

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Winston_Smith  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:10:48pm

re: #68 jaunte

I’m sure it was news to Trump supporters.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:11:06pm

re: #60 TedStriker

Nah, simply because they’re completely different styles; EfNY is an action thriller, whereas EfLA is completely a cheesy rehash. That’s not to say that I didn’t like EfLA, it’s just not in the same ballpark as the original.

Nothing wrong with camp. Sometimes it makes it better, and that’s my stance on the Escape From films.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:11:20pm

re: #68 jaunte

Time zones, who knew?

Lots of people are talking about time zones.//

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:12:12pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:12:16pm

re: #68 jaunte

Time zones, who knew?

And if you go south of the equator, it’s Winter!! Fake seasons!

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:15:19pm
“There’s like this massive difference in time. Who knows.”

Clearest indicator yet he really believes the sun rises and sets on him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:18:27pm

I can’t believe I thought Bush was as unintelligent as a President could be.

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:21:06pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

I was already turning but Palin was just bonkers. No idea she was another milestone in the transition.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:24:01pm

I have growing misgivings about coming back to the States to visit my family. It seems the situation there is getting worse by the day.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:24:31pm

re: #77 BigPapa

I was already turning but Palin was just bonkers. No idea she was another milestone in the transition.

Oh yeah for sure. He makes her look like a NENSA member.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:25:14pm

re: #73 jaunte

Why did I subject myself to that whole thing? Trump is the rambling old man feeding birds at the park with way too much money and power.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:25:30pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah for sure. He makes her look like a NENSA member.

Nensa?

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:27:06pm
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MsJ  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:28:19pm

re: #78 wheat-dogg

I have growing misgivings about coming back to the States to visit my family. It seems the situation there is getting worse by the day.

I have great trepidation every single time I cross the border. I’m a nervous wreck, truth be told. And I’m always relieved when I cross back.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:30:44pm

United Airlines still apparently flying kidnapped children.

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:36:51pm

Poll:
Jumping spider at work desk for about a week.
Keep?
Put outside?
Take videos?

Afraid he’ll hitchhike on my lappy and end up home in bed with Mrs BigPapa. That would be a bad thing.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:41:52pm

re: #85 BigPapa

Poll:
Jumping spider at work desk for about a week.
Keep?
Put outside?
Take videos?

Afraid he’ll hitchhike on my lappy and end up home in bed with Mrs BigPapa. That would be a bad thing.

If he’s an indoor spider and you put him out he might bark all night. Nobody likes barking spiders.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:42:20pm

re: #85 BigPapa

Put Outside. There’s more fun out there for the spider, guaranteed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:44:52pm

re: #83 MsJ

I have great trepidation every single time I cross the border. I’m a nervous wreck, truth be told. And I’m always relieved when I cross back.

The two weeks I spend in Canada this year were a very welcome respite.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:53:22pm

re: #83 MsJ

I have great trepidation every single time I cross the border. I’m a nervous wreck, truth be told. And I’m always relieved when I cross back.

I am strongly encouraged to stay in Canada when we go for our summer trip.

If conservatives here go for the whole ball of wax and start rounding up opposition politicians, I am out.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:55:04pm
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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:56:02pm

re: #90 Single-handed sailor

Yeah!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2018 • 8:56:03pm

Describes some of the wingnuts pretty well huh?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:02:40pm
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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:03:51pm

And while the major media outlets contemplate their navels, talk about civility and the rally in SC and other bullshit, the only outlets I can find that have mentioned the footage Rachel showed tonight are The Hill, Raw Story, Alternet, Mediaite and PoliticusUSA.

Maggie, who tweets and retweets nonstop about such things as people outside Stephen Miller’s condo, Jim Acosta being asked for selfies by trumpettes, Rand Paul suing his neighbor, the yam calling Trudeau Justin and other pressing issues has nary a word about the video or Avenatti’s stories about his immigration clients.

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Chrysicat  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:03:59pm
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VegasGolfer  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:10:05pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

United Airlines still apparently flying kidnapped children.

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opensecrets.org

This is who UAL donated to.
They dont care.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:10:39pm

re: #46 BigPapa

Dennis Quaid was a better Doc Holliday than Val Kilmer. Fight me.

I’m your Huckleberry.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:25:09pm

Interesting string quartet from Russia… .

SILENZIUM - I Was Made For Lovin’ You (Kiss cover)

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Chrysicat  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:29:32pm

re: #94 BeachDem

And while the major media outlets contemplate their navels, talk about civility and the rally in SC and other bullshit, the only outlets I can find that have mentioned the footage Rachel showed tonight are The Hill, Raw Story, Alternet, Mediaite and PoliticusUSA.

Maggie, who tweets and retweets nonstop about such things as people outside Stephen Miller’s condo, Jim Acosta being asked for selfies by trumpettes, Rand Paul suing his neighbor, the yam calling Trudeau Justin and other pressing issues has nary a word about the video or Avenatti’s stories about his immigration clients.

Wait, isn’t Trudeau “Justin”? Though I seem to recall Trump calling him “Pierre”…

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danarchy  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:30:35pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

United Airlines still apparently flying kidnapped children.

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Whenever I see one of these videos I have to ask how they know these are children who were separated vs children who arrived unaccompanied? I doubt the ICE or HHS personnel with them are telling them anything.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:34:13pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:39:49pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:40:32pm

Trump isn’t the only one engaged in hostage taking. Kentucky is threatening to end Medicaid expansion, taking coverage away from 400,000 Kentuckians, unless a US District Court Judge approves work requirements.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:41:29pm

re: #103 Big Beautiful Door

Trump isn’t the only one engaged in hostage taking. Kentucky is threatening to end Medicaid expansion, taking coverage away from 400,000 Kentuckians, unless a US District Court Judge approves work requirements.

It won’t matter to Kentucky voters because Bevin will blame Obama and the marks will be dumb enough to re-elect him in a landslide!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:43:06pm

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

It won’t matter to Kentucky voters because Bevin will blame Obama and the marks will be dumb enough to re-elect him in a landslide!

I hope not; Bevin has already pissed off a whole lot of teachers with his pension reform plan which a Kentucky Court just held unconstitutional.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:44:07pm

re: #105 Big Beautiful Door

Seriously. I hope Bevin gets pasted in the next vote.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:45:03pm

Stonekettles tweet re: Sarah Sanders was great. This one is along the same lines:

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:49:17pm

re: #99 Chrysicat

Wait, isn’t Trudeau “Justin”? Though I seem to recall Trump calling him “Pierre”…

the big point she was making (as only the yam whisperer can)

So crucial in the light of everything else that’s happening.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:55:26pm

re: #108 BeachDem

the big point she was making (as only the yam whisperer can)

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So crucial in the light of everything else that’s happening.

Wake me if Maggie ever stops doing the stenographer shit…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 9:57:21pm
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Chrysicat  Jun 25, 2018 • 10:18:04pm
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majii  Jun 25, 2018 • 10:25:14pm

re: #8 jaunte“David Gergen must have been asleep a lot back then.”

As you probably already know, I actually grew up during a part of the CR Movement. Gergen wasn’t asleep, he simply didn’t care what was happening to those who look like me. It wasn’t happening to him, so he probably thought everything was fine, and America was the greatest nation on the planet, a nation in which everyone is treated the same [Privilege and denial combined is a helluva drug.] Gergen reminds me of some that attended Trump’s Michigan rally last week. When they were asked whether they were concerned about the migrant children that were being detained, they said they didn’t believe any kids were being detained. They were then informed about the pics that had been handed out to journalists by CBP, and their response was that the pics were fake and had been photo-shopped.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 10:34:13pm

re: #100 danarchy

Whenever I see one of these videos I have to ask how they know these are children who were separated vs children who arrived unaccompanied? I doubt the ICE or HHS personnel with them are telling them anything.

Well, I can’t say from where I am. There is very little in the way of local media coverage of the whole issue.

starherald.com (Scottsbluf, Nebr. Star-Herald, just posted a minute ago).

It would appear that the Republicans want to change the law on the way children are treated who arrive without parents (and remember, the government said it would treat all children that way) so they can be deported quicker.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 10:38:34pm

Can’t normalize when you call the shit out from jump. Imagine what she’s seen and experienced.
So many people warned us. And now the coded language of civility rears it’s deceptive head again, as usual.

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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 10:41:36pm
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JordanRules  Jun 25, 2018 • 10:42:52pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 25, 2018 • 10:47:35pm

I think it’s time for another Luna Lee cover.

Maroon5- Sugar Gayageum ver. by Luna

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 11:01:05pm

In an interesting article in my regional paper, the author of the 1935 book “Little House on the Prairie” has been stripped of a children’s award by the American Library Association.

starherald.com

The TL;DR version of the article is that the opening chapter of the book talks about the characters moving out west to settle, and the following line appears in the book:

“where the wild animals lived without being afraid.” Where “the land was level, and there were no trees.”

And where “there were no people. Only Indians lived there.”

A reader made a complaint to Harper’s about the line in 1952.

Yet Harper’s decision in 1953 to change “people” to “settlers” in the offending sentence did little to quell the critics in later decades, who began describing Wilder’s depictions of Native Americans and some African Americans— and her storylines evoking white settlers’ manifest-destiny beliefs — as racist.

Now, after years of complaints, the Association for Library Service to Children, a division of the American Library Association, says it voted Saturday to strip [Laura Ingalls] Wilder’s name from the award.

(more)

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 25, 2018 • 11:07:18pm

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

Actually, the author agreed to change it as soon as it was pointed out to her, because it was a stupid and wrong thing to have said.

Since she’s been dead for quite a while, I doubt she’ll be too troubled by the decision.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 11:08:15pm

Cops called on an African-American firefighter in Oakland, California. He was in uniform and driving a fire department truck conducting inspections. People filmed him and demanded identification from him.

huffingtonpost.com (caution for auto-play video)

Someone called the police last month on a black firefighter who was participating in a safety inspection in Oakland, California. Someone else filmed him and asked him to produce identification.

Kevin Moore was one of a number of firefighters carrying out legally mandated exterior inspections to determine if vegetation posed an extra risk to homes in the event of a wildfire, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. Working in an upscale area of the Oakland hills, Moore was in uniform and carrying a clipboard and a radio, with his station’s fire truck parked nearby.

Prompted by a resident’s call, an emergency 911 dispatcher contacted Moore’s station on May 16 to determine if the inspections were going on. Someone also emailed home security footage to the Oakland Police Department showing Moore — clearly in uniform — knocking on a door. When Moore returned to do more inspections last week, a neighbor used his cellphone to videotape him, asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood and demanded to see his ID — which the resident then photographed.

Moore told the neighbor that if he was still concerned, he could check the street and see “a big red fire engine,” the Chronicle reported.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 11:11:44pm

re: #119 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Actually, the author agreed to change it as soon as it was pointed out to her, because it was a stupid and wrong thing to have said.

Since she’s been dead for quite a while, I doubt she’ll be too troubled by the decision.

More from the same article. It really doesn’t sound accidental (and Harper’s did take twenty years to make a single-word change to her book):

Elsewhere in the book, Osage tribe members are sometimes depicted as animalistic, notes the critic Philip Heldrich: In one scene, Wilder describes them as wearing a “leather thong” with “the furry skin of a small animal” hanging down in front, making “harsh sounds” and having “bold and fierce” faces with “black eyes.” Although Laura’s father espouses a more tolerant view of Native Americans, his description of a “good Indian” is one who is “no common trash.”

The character who is Laura Ingalls’s mother, Caroline Ingalls, is not subtle in her hatred of the Native Americans, saying repeatedly she doesn’t like them, before she has even encountered them. As the critic Ann Romines wrote, “Indians become a code for everything that seems to threaten the settled, white life she wants for her daughters.”

In addition, in another scene, Wilder depicts white men wearing blackface for the entertainment of others — including her father.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2018 • 11:34:30pm

The FDA has approved a cannabis-derived drug for the treatment of two rare forms of epilepsy.

fda.gov

The manufacturer of the drug notes there was initial confusion over whether the DEA would seek to prohibit it. However, the FDA has authority over the DEA and critically, FDA approval means the drug will be available in every state, not just those with medical marijuana laws.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today approved Epidiolex (cannabidiol) [CBD] oral solution for the treatment of seizures associated with two rare and severe forms of epilepsy, Lennox-Gastaut syndrome and Dravet syndrome, in patients two years of age and older. This is the first FDA-approved drug that contains a purified drug substance derived from marijuana. It is also the first FDA approval of a drug for the treatment of patients with Dravet syndrome.

CBD is a chemical component of the Cannabis sativa plant, more commonly known as marijuana. However, CBD does not cause intoxication or euphoria (the “high”) that comes from tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).

(more at the FDA)

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:06:21am

For some reason, this seems to be a popular symbol around the White House these days.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:11:46am

LOL

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:19:17am

re: #123 Deep State and Elite Satinist

For some reason, this seems to be a popular symbol around the White House these days.

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Well, to be fair, the fasci has long been used in American iconography. That said, I don’t know much about the National Sheriffs Association.

romanfasci.blogspot.com (various images of fasci used in American iconography, including the organisation above, American coinage, the Lincoln Memorial, &c)

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:23:30am

Lake County is running out of areas to burn.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:24:04am

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹

Note, the link above is somewhat conspiracy minded (The Knights of Columbus are associated with freemasonry) but the symbols, coins, and stamps shown on the site are correct.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:39:43am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:46:48am

Nice of the National Weather Service to put this out for us. At least we know we’ll get no warning for the next hailstorm or tornado …

As of yet they haven’t fixed the station and we’ve been surprise pounded by a couple severe storms.

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service Cheyenne, WY
1218 PM MDT Tue Jun 19 2018

…NOAA weather radio transmitter in Scottsbluff is down…

NOAA weather radio station WXL-67 in Scottsbluff is down.
Technicians are currently troubleshooting the problem.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:48:48am
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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:03:21am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:12:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:14:48am

Ideologically I have no problem with what Ms Waters said about “pushing back”.

It was just a tactical error, she should have known that those words were going to be twisted and taken out of context to imply that she is advocating violence.

As for Bryan, we cannot expect him to understand that refusing to serve a specific person for their actions, especially when they are a public figure is a totally different ball of wax than denying service based on race or sexual identity.

But they are already inventing talking points about “GOP drinking fountains”.

As long as they are separate but equal, right?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:26:11am

re: #132 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Bryan Fischer is an idiot.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:27:45am

re: #133 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It doesn’t matter what Maxine Waters says (or any other Democrat). If those guys could come up with Pizzagate, they’ll come up with anything to be outraged about.

It would seem to me the correct response to such nonsense is to point and laugh at them, loudly.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:28:07am

re: #101 JordanRules

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:40:07am

I’m watching Woman Walks Ahead. Catherine Weldon, a portrait painter from 1890s Brooklyn, travels to Dakota to paint a portrait of Sitting Bull and becomes embroiled in the Lakota peoples’ struggle over the rights to their land.

I doubt it is historically accurate, but it’s a fun movie.

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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:42:57am
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Aussie Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:51:15am

re: #138 JordanRules

From that link:qz.com

Two Answers: (1)They are are avoiding the Milky Way like the Plague, or (2) They are akin to Vault City in Fallout 2, if they needed anything from our galaxy they’d have taken it by now, but until that happens they’d rather forget we exist.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:09:46am

So, we know how you feel about pineapple on pizza, what about pineapples on tacos?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:14:58am

re: #140 Single-handed sailor

So, we know how you feel about pineapple on pizza, what about pineapples on tacos?

What about tacos on pineapple, or tacos on pizza … next we could have dogs and cats sleeping together.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:12:12am

re: #136 Aussie Apocalypse

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Dr. Tillervdidnt deserve to be compared to Josef Mengele by you on your show. You know something, I hate the idea of anyone denied service so I ask Bill and all the other conservatives crying over this to stop acting like denying someone a service is a form of religious liberty whether it’s contraceptives, cake, or flowers. I knew this would happen. Karma is a bitch.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:18:01am

Have any of the civility police said a damn word about the woman who harassed that Mexican-American man and his mother? I’m guessing no. I personally don’t think SHS should have been denied but at the same time, I find it hilarious that conservatives who for years have told us it’s fine for business owners to discriminate cry when it’s used on them.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:29:13am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

It should be pointed out that: If Sarah’s words are worth nothing, How can one be sure that her money is legit?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:58:34am

It awakes!

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Half-hour delay
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:01:52am

re: #145 wheat-dogg

It awakes!

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Yet you used their workers as props.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:02:25am

I’m saddened to hear about the passing of New York radio legend Dan Ingram. My friend (and radio legend in his own right) Howard Hoffman reminisces about his time working with Ingram. A very touching tribute.

Facebook Post

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:10:38am

Whole milk vanilla Greek yogurt mixed with cut up fresh cherries and dry oatmeal=heaven.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:10:45am

re: #145 wheat-dogg

It awakes!

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and nothing shows your sincerity like threatening to extort an American company:

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:12:15am

re: #99 Chrysicat

Wait, isn’t Trudeau “Justin”? Though I seem to recall Trump calling him “Pierre”…

Pierre Trudeau is Justin’s father and a prior (much beloved) PM of Canada.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:12:58am

Patti may have lost her primary election, but she’s not fading away.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:13:13am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

and nothing shows your sincerity like threatening to extort an American company:

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So tRump is raising taxes and the right is cool with it now? Hmmmm

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:14:45am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

and nothing shows your sincerity like threatening to extort an American company:

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If he saying he will levy tariffs on American firms with offshore manufacturing facilities, he’s talking about punishing 90% of them. H-D is a US company, even if their bikes are assembled in Thailand.

Fucking idiot. He’s going to piss off the corporate GOP bigly with this line of “thought.”

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SteelPH  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:20:14am

re: #153 wheat-dogg

If he saying he will levy tariffs on American firms with offshore manufacturing facilities, he’s talking about punishing 90% of them. H-D is a US company, even if their bikes are assembled in Thailand.

Fucking idiot. He’s going to piss off the corporate GOP bigly with this line of “thought.”

And yet, no finger will be lifted by congress to stop him.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:27:42am

re: #154 SteelPH

And yet, no finger will be lifted by congress to stop him.

If their rich donors start withholding funding, they might find their spines.

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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:28:38am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:31:06am

re: #156 jeffreyw

Are all the dark ones cowbirds, or just the guy in the centre, with all the rest being corvids?

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SteelPH  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:32:08am

re: #155 wheat-dogg

If their rich donors start withholding funding, they might find their spines.

We shall see. I’m not holding my breath though.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:35:11am

re: #158 SteelPH

We shall see. I’m not holding my breath though.

My fear is that the Repubs, like their predecessors in the Reichstag, will enable Hair Furor until they suddenly find themselves out of jobs.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:36:50am

The Aura is gone, baby!

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:37:50am

John Cole put this up at Balloon Juice, and I think this paragraph is important:

This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times. The harm that is being done to all of us by the people in the American government is extreme. To imagine that Mexican immigrants should happily cook for and serve meals to people who enable a man who is determined to demonize and persecute them as subhuman criminals is far more outrageous than the idea that those enablers should not be served in restaurants. I do not believe that Trump administration officials should be able to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population. Not being able to go to restaurants and attend parties and be celebrated is just the minimum baseline here. These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse. Wait until the recession comes. Wait until Trump starts a war. Wait until the racism this administration is stoking begins to explode into violence more frequently. Read a fucking history book. Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant. When you aggressively fuck with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to fuck with yours.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:37:51am

i don’t tweet so i cant embed.

Pé Resists
‏@4everNeverTrump

To all of those in the media whining about “civility”: FUCK YOU.

The citizenry is confronting fascists in ways you’re too cowardly to.

Maybe if you did your fucking jobs instead of normalizing Trump’s horror, the White House spokesperson could eat at anywhere she wants.

the thread is here

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:37:56am

re: #160 wheat-dogg

The Aura is gone, baby!

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And now we see the flip coin of the abusive relationship: “DO AS I SAY OR I’LL BEAT YOU UNTIL YOU DO!”

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:39:52am

re: #153 wheat-dogg

If he saying he will levy tariffs on American firms with offshore manufacturing facilities, he’s talking about punishing 90% of them. H-D is a US company, even if their bikes are assembled in Thailand.

Fucking idiot. He’s going to piss off the corporate GOP bigly with this line of “thought.”

One can hope. Splitting the economic part of the GOP off would be awesome news.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:42:27am

Daniel Dale with the facts, ma’am.*

*Ancient TV show allusion.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:43:09am

re: #38 teleskiguy

Titanic and Jurassic World shouldn’t be in the top ten movies of all time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:43:53am

Behind editorials lecturing about civility. Stories about Pruitt retaliating against internal EPA critics. I’m sorry but the Press Secretary getting asked to leave a restaurant while she repeatedly lies and insults the American people or a Congresswoman who was actually threatened by a Trump supporter calling for confronting the bastards. That’s fucking peanuts compared to what’s really going on.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:44:30am

re: #165 wheat-dogg

“they will be taxed like never before”
So Trump is again threatening a private business and getting away with it, I see. The entire GOP is complicit with his bullying.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:44:34am

re: #166 Patricia Kayden

Titanic and Jurassic World shouldn’t be in the top ten movies of all time.

I don’t think that’s controversial. I don’t hate Titanic like some people do but it’s merely a good movie not a great, all time movie.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:48:08am

re: #22 jaunte

“The Left” is somehow both a bunch of sniveling cowards but also a group that you should be extremely scared of

physical confrontation? right
like that lady yesterday yelling at the ‘mexican’ that he’s a rapist
the bozo that called the cops on the BBQ
the other bozo that called the cops on the 8 year old selling water

because all these viral videos of ranting at ‘foreign looking’ people are “the left”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:51:25am

re: #170 dangerman

physical confrontation? right
like that lady yesterday yelling at the ‘mexican’ that he’s a rapist
the bozo that called the cops on the BBQ
the other bozo that called the cops on the 8 year old selling water

because all these viral videos of ranting at ‘foreign looking’ people are “the left”

Yet none of those have merited the lectures about civility that Red Hen owner and Maxine Waters got. As I said, I don’t like the idea of refusing someone service but you know what, SHS brings this on herself when she supports policies like denying LGBT people goods. Hell just yesterday behind the Red Hen bs was a story about a pharmacist denying a customer a product because he felt it was wrong.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:51:59am

re: #161 Belafon

John Cole put this up at Balloon Juice, and I think this paragraph is important:

Most of those in the professional pundit class moaning about “incivility” are too young to have actually experienced that period in American politics firsthand. To them, it’s something they read about in textbooks or heard about from professors in college, told that it was something we “moved past” in dry and clinical terms. The Civil Rights era was “unique,” Nixon an “aberration,” Vietnam a “terrible mistake,” but all of it “in the past” and thus we need to act like we’ve above such things now. They keep wanting to tell themselves that it can’t happen again, we “learned our lesson,” and we’re adults now who should “know better.”

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:52:25am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I don’t think that’s controversial. I don’t hate Titanic like some people do but it’s merely a good movie not a great, all time movie.

Titanic was number one for two reasons:
1. Earnings for movies are not adjusted for inflation, or Gone With the Wind would always be number one, and we definitely don’t want that.
2. When Cameron was making it, a producer told him that he’d only get half the population to show up, to which Cameron replied something to the affect of “I would love that.” Imagine if 150M people showed up to any movie. And a lot of them brought their significant others.

Titanic was the best movie ever made based on a romance novel (that never existed).

BTW, I’m not disagreeing with your assessment at all. Just a statement.

Edited. I meant disagree, not agree.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:54:06am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I don’t think that’s controversial. I don’t hate Titanic like some people do but it’s merely a good movie not a great, all time movie.

I’m a Titanic hater, though I’ve loved previous Titanic movies, especially A Night to Remember. The parts of Titanic based on the real story were fine; the romance was ridiculous, especially the role of Rose’s fiance.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:54:41am

re: #173 Belafon

Titanic was number one for two reasons:
1. Earnings for movies are not adjusted for inflation, or Gone With the Wind would always be number one, and we definitely don’t want that.
2. When Cameron was making it, a producer told him that he’d only get half the population to show up, to which Cameron replied something to the affect of “I would love that.” Imagine if 150M people showed up to any movie. And a lot of them brought their significant others.

Titanic was the best movie ever made based on a romance novel (that never existed).

BTW, I’m not agreeing with your assessment at all. Just a statement.

Oh I know. Honestly, I like the movie. I don’t love it but I definitely don’t hate it either.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:54:51am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

With what is going on with those migrant children being separated from their parents and then sent to detention camps, I couldn’t care less about any “uncivil” comments directed against Trump officials. You link yourself to Trump at your own risk.

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:55:37am

re: #173 Belafon

Titanic was number one for two reasons:
1. Earnings for movies are not adjusted for inflation, or Gone With the Wind would always be number one, and we definitely don’t want that.
2. When Cameron was making it, a producer told him that he’d only get half the population to show up, to which Cameron replied something to the affect of “I would love that.” Imagine if 150M people showed up to any movie. And a lot of them brought their significant others.

Titanic was the best movie ever made based on a romance novel (that never existed).

BTW, I’m not agreeing with your assessment at all. Just a statement.

I very much agree. We do not want GWTW to maintain the top spot. Whatever its artistic merits, it should, and is beginning to, be despised like “The Birth of a Nation” is for glorifying the Southern Treason.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:55:56am

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m a Titanic hater, though I’ve loved previous Titanic movies, especially A Night to Remember. The parts of Titanic based on the real story were fine; the romance was ridiculous, especially the role of Rose’s fiance.

Yeah I did think Billy Zane was cartoonishly villainous. One of my problems with the movie. I think technically speaking, it’s a well done movie. And I really like Leo and Kate but my favorite movie they’ve done together was Revolutionary Road which I think was underrated. The novel is one of my favorites.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:56:09am

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

With what is going on with those migrant children being separated from their parents and then sent to detention camps, I couldn’t care less about any “uncivil” comments directed against Trump officials. You link yourself to Trump at your own risk.

Fucking A.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:56:53am

re: #177 Chrysicat

I very much agree. We do not want GWTW to maintain the top spot. Whatever its artistic merits, it should, and is beginning to, be despised like “The Birth of a Nation” is for glorifying the Southern Treason.

I still remember Derbyshire complaining that 12 Years a Slave should have been more like it. Yeah a film based off a real slave narrative should have been more like the quintessential Lost Cause novel written by a woman born 35 years after the war ended.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:57:49am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Yet none of those have merited the lectures about civility that Red Hen owner and Maxine Waters got. As I said, I don’t like the idea of refusing someone service but you know what, SHS brings this on herself when she supports policies like denying LGBT people goods. Hell just yesterday behind the Red Hen bs was a story about a pharmacist denying a customer a product because he felt it was wrong.

This is beyond supporting policies that are anti-LBGT. This is Sanders lying to the American people every single goddamned day. This is about DHS locking up children, kidnapping them from their parents, and for Bondi, about taking a bribe from her pal Trump to not prosecute him.

The only policy is DHS. The rest is simple corruption.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:59:17am

re: #181 MsJ

This is beyond supporting policies that are anti-LBGT. This is Sanders lying to the American people every single goddamned day. This is about DHS locking up children, kidnapping them from their parents, and for Bondi, about taking a bribe from her pal Trump to not prosecute him.

The only policy is DHS. The rest is simple corruption.

Exactly. I’m just saying. Don’t tell me that it’s liberty to tell a gay couple a product and then cry on your official WH account about you being denied service because of what you mention.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:00:50am

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m a Titanic hater, though I’ve loved previous Titanic movies, especially A Night to Remember. The parts of Titanic based on the real story were fine; the romance was ridiculous, especially the role of Rose’s fiance.

A Night to Remember gave me nightmares for weeks when I was a kid. I think that is the main reason that going on a cruise has never been on my list of things to do. (I am doing a river cruise next year, but I can very likely manage to swim to the shore from any river…worst case, I can float like a buoy if need be.)

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:01:31am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

“Hell just yesterday behind the Red Hen bs was a story about a pharmacist denying a customer a product because he felt it was wrong.”

And if the pharmacist is religious, he’ll get away with his outrageous conduct. I haven’t heard of such nonsense happening in Maryland as yet but if you can’t keep your religious beliefs to yourself, don’t take a job which requires you to serve the public which doesn’t share your religion.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:01:32am

re: #173 Belafon

Titanic was number one for two reasons:
1. Earnings for movies are not adjusted for inflation, or Gone With the Wind would always be number one, and we definitely don’t want that.
2. When Cameron was making it, a producer told him that he’d only get half the population to show up, to which Cameron replied something to the affect of “I would love that.” Imagine if 150M people showed up to any movie. And a lot of them brought their significant others.

Titanic was the best movie ever made based on a romance novel (that never existed).

BTW, I’m not agreeing with your assessment at all. Just a statement.

Titanic took a formulaic rich girl/poor boy romance and spliced it into a disaster movie based on a real-life event. Add a sprinkle of classism, stoicism and heroism and you’ve got the makings of a decent movie. Cameron is a good director and the acting was above par. Even though we know the outcome of the accident, the framing story [old Rose telling about young Rose] added suspense and gave the movie a connection to the present. IOW it has all the basic elements of a solid, entertaining movie.

It’s very popular in China, although many versions have Rose’s nude posing and the steamy sex scene in the Renault(?) deleted by the censors.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:02:30am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

This is the kind of tweet that demands the “delete your fucking account” response.

after it’s reviewed by the department of redundancy department

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:03:14am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Derbyshire, the racist who warned about the dangers of Black crowds? Him?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:03:27am

re: #184 Patricia Kayden

“Hell just yesterday behind the Red Hen bs was a story about a pharmacist denying a customer a product because he felt it was wrong.”

And if the pharmacist is religious, he’ll get away with his outrageous conduct. I haven’t heard of such nonsense happening in Maryland as yet but if you can’t keep your religious beliefs to yourself, don’t take a job which requires you to serve the public which doesn’t share your religion.

That’s my philosophy as well. I would have a hard time taking a life. That’s why you haven’t seen me join the police or the military. If you have objections against contraception, that’s your right but please stay the hell away from jobs that might require you to dispense it.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:04:05am

re: #185 wheat-dogg

Titanic took a formulaic rich girl/poor boy romance and spliced it into a disaster movie based on a real-life event. Add a sprinkle of classism, stoicism and heroism and you’ve got the makings of a decent movie. Cameron is a good director and the acting was above par. Even though we know the outcome of the accident, the framing story [old Rose telling about young Rose] added suspense and gave the movie a connection to the present. IOW it has all the basic elements of a solid, entertaining movie.

It’s very popular in China, although many versions have Rose’s nude posing and the steamy sex scene in the Renault(?) deleted by the censors.

Deleting scenes like that always reminds me of Cinema Paradiso.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:04:10am

re: #187 Patricia Kayden

Derbyshire, the racist who warned about the dangers of Black crowds? Him?

Yep the same British wanker who railed against illegal immigrants while being one himself. ANd who NRO gave a byline for years until his toxicity was too much for even their shitty rag.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:05:08am

re: #102 Single-handed sailor

I fought hard for them and ultimately they will not pay tariffs selling

he’s basically saying he plays favorites and picks the winners and losers

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:05:32am

re: #185 wheat-dogg

I suspect many Chinese women can identify with Rose, who is trapped in an arranged marriage (for money) and a very constrained societal role, but who manages to find love and adventure in the end. Of course, she has to fake her death to make it possible. Not sure about the message of that aspect of the story.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:05:52am

We’re going to be below 24k soon. Maybe that will get the ruling class’s attention.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:06:33am

re: #189 Belafon

Deleting scenes like that always reminds me of Cinema Paradiso.

Censors also deleted the nudity in Blade Runner 2049.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:07:43am

re: #165 wheat-dogg

But it’s totally ok for Ivanka to make her cheap imitation garbage in China.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:12:32am

Ahh good Gus

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:16:09am

re: #196 Unshaken Defiance

Ahh good Gus

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Spot on.

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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:16:15am

re: #157 Chrysicat

Are all the dark ones cowbirds, or just the guy in the centre, with all the rest being corvids?

The rain has fogged the lens a bit, but I think all of the birds, save one dove, are cowbirds.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:16:53am

The crowd who right now condemns Red Hen for showing Huckaboo the door is the same one who hemmed and hawed about the “right” of a bakery to turn away gay customers because of “deeply held beliefs.”

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:18:53am

re: #196 Unshaken Defiance

Ahh good Gus

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Heather Heyer remains dead, many others who were attacked that day by skinheads continue to bear the scars. But yes, let’s hear about how it’s the liberals who are in danger of turning political discourse into political violence.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:19:34am

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m a Titanic hater, though I’ve loved previous Titanic movies, especially A Night to Remember. The parts of Titanic based on the real story were fine; the romance was ridiculous, especially the role of Rose’s fiance.

The movie was way too long and I spent the last hour waiting for the damn ship to sink so they would all die!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:24:59am

re: #199 Targetpractice

The crowd who right now condemns Red Hen for showing Huckaboo the door is the same one who hemmed and hawed about the “right” of a bakery to turn away gay customers because of “deeply held beliefs.”

or defends what Trump did that got him sued by DOJ in the 70’s. Enough of this hypocritical bs.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:25:11am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Yep the same British wanker who railed against illegal immigrants while being one himself. ANd who NRO gave a byline for years until his toxicity was too much for even their shitty rag.

Not to mention his, umm, ‘fondness’ for young girls, as evidenced by his obsession with ‘Lolita.’

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:25:36am

Titanic is more remarkable for the way Cameron made the setting seem so “real” than the plot itself. Much like he did with Avatar, aka “Dances with Smurfs,” he managed to make a blockbuster film through cinematic marvels than actual storytelling. Cut away the CGI and practical effects and Titanic would have had all the depth of a Made-For-TV movie.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:28:04am

re: #203 makeitstop

Not to mention his, umm, ‘fondness’ for young girls, as evidenced by his obsession with ‘Lolita.’

I acutally didn’t know that. Sheesh.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:29:33am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I acutally didn’t know that. Sheesh.

Yeah, he’s a pretty skeevy dude all around.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:30:27am

re: #204 Targetpractice

Titanic is more remarkable for the way Cameron made the setting seem so “real” than the plot itself. Much like he did with Avatar, aka “Dances with Smurfs,” he managed to make a blockbuster film through cinematic marvels than actual storytelling. Cut away the CGI and practical effects and Titanic would have had all the depth of a Made-For-TV movie.

As I said, a romance novel.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:32:19am

re: #206 makeitstop

Yeah, he’s a pretty skeevy dude all around.

I mean I knew NRO was sleazy but wholly shit.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:33:05am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:34:50am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:34:57am

According to the media, when you’re a evangelical who screams that he cannot condone doing business with gays because “my beliefs don’t allow me to condone sin,” even when you cannot back up your “beliefs” with anything other than a personal opinion that gays are “wrong,” then society must have deep and thoughtful discussions on whether or not it’s wrong to force you to do business with gays because your rights are at risk.

But if you’re a liberal who says he cannot do business with a member of an unpopular conservative administration because he cannot condone things he views as evil and wrong, then you’re being “uncivil” and are threatening the very fabric of our society by not being accepting of “different points of view.” That to pick and choose who you’ll do business with is wrong and you’ve no right to turn those people away.

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SteelPH  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:36:32am

re: #211 Targetpractice

“Freedom for me, but not for thee.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:36:48am

re: #211 Targetpractice

According to the media, when you’re a evangelical who screams that he cannot condone doing business with gays because “my beliefs don’t allow me to condone sin,” even when you cannot back up your “beliefs” with anything other than a personal opinion that gays are “wrong,” then society must have deep and thoughtful discussions on whether or not it’s wrong to force you to do business with gays because your rights are at risk.

But if you’re a liberal who says he cannot do business with a member of an unpopular conservative administration because he cannot condone things he views as evil and wrong, then you’re being “uncivil” and are threatening the very fabric of our society by not being accepting of “different points of view.” That to pick and choose who you’ll do business with is wrong and you’ve no right to turn those people away.

Related: John Kelly can lie about what Fredericka Wilson said and still be treated as a honorable person and Maxine Waters can’t urge people to confront public officials. I’m so sick of the media giving a pass to these assholes who would gladly take away their rights if they could.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:37:27am

FFS we get more angry about people being called white nationalists than actual white nationalism these days.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:38:24am

re: #209 makeitstop

Fucking cowards way out. Sure, don’t call out a wannabe dictator, just say it is for the good of the country. Fuck them.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:39:42am

re: #212 SteelPH

“Freedom for me, but not for thee.”

Personally, the quote “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” comes immediately to mind. That too many of those wailing about “incivility” are the same crowd who spent the better part of the past 3 years trying to spin Trump as “Business as Usual.” And the fear that if it’s Huckaboo today, tomorrow it will be them who are turned away from their favorite restaurants for condoning inhumanity towards their fellow man.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:41:24am

re: #215 MsJ

Fucking cowards way out. Sure, don’t call out a wannabe dictator, just say it is for the good of the country. Fuck them.

It’s somewhat of an acknowledgment that Trump is the source of all the hate and discontent, even though I’m sure in the editorial itself they find some way to spin it all as the fault of his critics rather than himself.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:43:58am

The most pathetic part of SHS’s tweet is “I try to respect those even with I disagree.” Does she think we’re all fucking blind and deaf? We’ve seen her condescending bullshit for well over a year now. Then again, she knows that Trump supporters are the easiest conned marks out there that they’re actually crying about how hard he’s treated over the families he’s separating.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:47:56am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:49:06am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

The most pathetic part of SHS’s tweet is “I try to respect those even with I disagree.” Does she think we’re all fucking blind and deaf? We’ve seen her condescending bullshit for well over a year now. Then again, she knows that Trump supporters are the easiest conned marks out there that they’re actually crying about how hard he’s treated over the families he’s separating.

The White House has mused aloud and its supporters have actively called for members of the press who confronted her to have their press passes yanked (ex: Jim Acosta). But sure, let’s continue the fiction that she’s respectful to those she disagrees with.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:49:26am

Remember Charlottesville? The Nazis do, and they’re planning an encore.

Emily has the details, there are details left out, but just about everything she’s been cryptic about previously, has born out (not Q*anon* style, but for real). And yes, it’s a thread.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:53:14am

File under “odd”: NHC posts a chance of an extratropical storm forming over… North Carolina, which if it drifts over the ocean may become a tropical storm:

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Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 AM EDT Tue Jun 26 2018

For the North Atlantic…Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

1. A non-tropical area of low pressure is likely to form along a stationary front near the coast of North Carolina on Wednesday.

Thereafter, environmental conditions could support this system acquiring some tropical characteristics over the next few days as the system moves eastward or northeastward away from the United States.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:55:22am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

More from the same article. It really doesn’t sound accidental (and Harper’s did take twenty years to make a single-word change to her book):

Sorry to reply so late. Yep, those 1860’s were incivil times, and three-year olds are easily frightened by strangers. And heaven forbid that we should be subjected to historical attitudes less enlighteved than our own.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:55:25am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Patti may have lost her primary election, but she’s not fading away.

Ouch…Ohio gets hammered pretty good too with the Euro tariffs. Probably both farming…hello Jim Jordan…and manufacturing…thanks Trump voters in the northeast part of the state.

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:57:50am

re: #223 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Sorry to reply so late. Yep, those 1860’s were incivil times, and three-year olds are easily frightened by strangers. And heaven forbid that we should be subjected to historical attitudes less enlighteved than our own.

Well, we sure shouldn’t be subjecting third- and fourth-graders to them anymore; that’s too young to totally grasp how this is no longer acceptable. Time to limit Little House access to people old enough to drive?

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:00:50am

It has been a very not-normal spring and now early summer for weather in the US. Storm chasers have a sad because the tornado chasing in the southern plains have been a bust so far. The Atlantic is very quiet as far as tropical storms, due to the ocean surface between Africa and South America being cooler than normal.

But there have been some spectacular low pressure systems in the US that almost look like extratropical storms one sees in the oceans, with features like rain bands. Last week over Montana, this morning over Iowa:
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Out here, we’ve had a very dry year. Loquat season came and went and I only picked a couple. The trees now look quite stressed.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:01:05am

re: #132 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Really, Bryan? I haven’t had any trouble, and neither has anyone I know. Maybe there might be something else going on here?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:06:51am

Lizard love (Maybe NSFW)

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:07:03am

re: #227 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Really, Bryan? I haven’t had any trouble, and neither has anyone I know. Maybe there might be something else going on here?

And Bryan hasn’t either. “Bryan who? Is he Starlord?”

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:07:19am

re: #170 dangerman

physical confrontation? right
like that lady yesterday yelling at the ‘mexican’ that he’s a rapist
the bozo that called the cops on the BBQ
the other bozo that called the cops on the 8 year old selling water

because all these viral videos of ranting at ‘foreign looking’ people are “the left”

sfchronicle.com

A black firefighter conducting city-mandated inspections around homes in the Oakland hills was reported to police and, on a separate occasion, questioned and videotaped by a resident who found him suspicious, even though he was in full uniform with his fire truck parked nearby.

Vince Crudele, who supervises the inspection program, said firefighters “absolutely” have the right, listed plainly in the California Fire Code, to conduct exterior property inspections while residents aren’t home. The department sends out pamphlets before the program begins, hosts community meetings and gets the word out through neighborhood groups, Crudele said.

Moore said he suggested that if the resident were still concerned, he could simply look out onto the street where “a big red fire engine is right there.”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:13:21am

The dog_rates guy (gal?) changed a dog’s name for extra clickage, then blocked the person calling him/her out for it.

I love dogs, but personally speaking this particular shtick has worn h*ckin’ thin. 7/10

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:13:43am

re: #225 Chrysicat

Well, we sure shouldn’t be subjecting third- and fourth-graders to them anymore; that’s too young to totally grasp how this is no longer acceptable. Time to limit Little House access to people old enough to drive?

I don’t agree. You’re throwing out too important a baby with the bath water (like banning the entire corpus of Mary Poppins because of one (horribly stereotyped) chapter.

Also, I read those books at about that age, and wasn’t moved to think the Indians in the book had anything to do with anyone living. I was more impressed by the black doctor — at about eight years old (and in my surroundings), I had never seen one, nor realized that there was anything more than whites and Indians in the history of the western frontier.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:15:48am

re: #162 dangerman

i don’t tweet so i cant embed.

I don’t tweet…but you can still put the tweet in a thread…like this.

All you need to do is click on the arrow in the upper right of the tweet, copy the link and then past the link into a comment…

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:18:49am

re: #232 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I don’t agree. You’re throwing out too important a baby with the bath water (like banning the entire corpus of Mary Poppins because of one (horribly stereotyped) chapter.

Also, I read those books at about that age, and wasn’t moved to think the Indians in the book had anything to do with anyone living. I was more impressed by the black doctor — at about eight years old (and in my surroundings), I had never seen one, nor realized that there was anything more than whites and Indians in the history of the western frontier.

Good teachers can use uncomplimentary portrayals of characters in stories as teaching moments. Huckleberry Finn still catches flak for the Jim character, though Twain in fact was trying to show how two people of different races could still become friends. And the n* word was part of the language back then.

OTOH using the Ingalls books in a classroom in which there were Native American or First Nation students could be problematic.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:19:20am

re: #156 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Is there a convention in town?

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:19:31am

re: #225 Chrysicat

Well, we sure shouldn’t be subjecting third- and fourth-graders to them anymore; that’s too young to totally grasp how this is no longer acceptable. Time to limit Little House access to people old enough to drive?

I think this goes too far. Some of the language in Little House wouldn’t be okay nowadays, but the book clearly isn’t an apology for racism. It’s insensitive by modern standards. Kids aren’t going to read it and come away with the idea that Indians are subhuman, because that’s not the main point of the book. In fact, it can easily be a teaching point about it, to make people think about how attitudes differed historically.

There are lots of books from earlier times that use words and tropes that wouldn’t be okay today. While one can argue that celebrating these works is part of the culture that enshrines white privilege, it doesn’t mean that we should wipe away and sanitise as much of it as possible. I don’t think a book like Little House on the Prairie is emblematic of racist attitudes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:20:06am

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Good teachers can use uncomplimentary portrayals of characters in stories as teaching moments. Huckleberry Finn still catches flak for the Jim character, though Twain in fact was trying to show how two people of different races could still become friends. And the n* word was part of the language back then.

OTOH using the Ingalls books in a classroom in which there were Native American or First Nation students could be problematic.

I do think explaining context means something.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:21:32am

I never read the books tbh but I’m fine with explaining context and times because literature is as much a product of its times as vice versa.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:22:40am

Everything sucks and nothing good has come out of this day whatsoever.

It’s going to take a lifetime to undo the damage from just less than 2 years of this shit. And barring a miracle, we have at least another 2 and a half years to go with a stacked justice system ready to undo the last generation of a half of progress and codify that for at least 2 more generations, if not longer.

We’re not getting out of this alive, are we?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:23:12am

re: #239 Citizen K

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Everything sucks and nothing good has come out of this day whatsoever.

It’s going to take a lifetime to undo the damage from just less than 2 years of this shit. And barring a miracle, we have at least another 2 and a half years to go with a stacked justice system ready to undo the last generation of a half of progress and codify that for at least 2 more generations, if not longer.

We’re not getting out of this alive, are we?

Fuck.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:23:12am

SCOTUS clusterfuck today

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:23:39am

Extra Special Thanks to Susan Sarandon now that the Supreme Court has upheld Trump’s Travel Ban!

And a cherry on the cake—California clinics don’t have to say that the state may cover the cost of an abortion.

Thank you, Susan!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:24:07am

The stolen seat showing its benefits in the worst way.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:24:14am

re: #239 Citizen K

We’re not getting out of this alive, are we?

Well, we never get out of life alive.

The best we can do is fight to make our lives better and the lives of others better.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:25:05am

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

With what is going on with those migrant children being separated from their parents and then sent to detention camps, I couldn’t care less about any “uncivil” comments directed against Trump officials. You link yourself to Trump at your own risk.

And I notice that they haven’t noticed any “incivilities” on the part of the right — like, say, egging a DC Red Hen or sending death threats to others.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:25:52am

re: #239 Citizen K

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Everything sucks and nothing good has come out of this day whatsoever.

It’s going to take a lifetime to undo the damage from just less than 2 years of this shit. And barring a miracle, we have at least another 2 and a half years to go with a stacked justice system ready to undo the last generation of a half of progress and codify that for at least 2 more generations, if not longer.

We’re not getting out of this alive, are we?

Hey now, that’s uncivil of you. You’re supposed to take this news with understanding and acceptance. To do anything less might lead to violence!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:25:56am

re: #245 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

And I notice that they haven’t noticed any “incivilities” on the part of the right — like, say, egging a DC Red Hen or sending death threats to others.

Or the guy who said the Lexington one should be burned down.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:26:57am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

The stolen seat showing its benefits in the worst way.

And Trump may get 2 more seats out of this if worse comes to worse.

We may well and truly be irreparably fucked. That may just be my nagging pessimism again, but I’m not sure how we’re going to last at this rate. The backslide is coming so fast and with a court system almost expressly made to ensure that the GOP’s eternal conservatopia is unassailable and unbreakable.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:27:05am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

“The most pathetic part of SHS’s tweet is ‘I try to respect those even with I disagree.’”

If there was a supreme being, Sanders would have been struck down by lightening for stating such an outrageous lie. She is nothing but rude and contemptuous of the MSM when they press her for information. We see it all the time.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:27:16am

From Scotusblog:

“under these circumstances, the Government has set forth a sufficient national security justification to survive rational basis review. We express no view on the soundness of the policy. We simply hold today tat plaintiffs have not demonstrated a likelihood of success on the merits of their constitutional claim.”

Still, you can expect the Trumpers to misinterpret the ruling.

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:28:05am

re: #241 wheat-dogg

SCOTUS clusterfuck today

According to the report, it was the Third iteration of the ban which was upheld on Presidential-power grounds: but it seems to be pretty much a sweeping upholding (if not expansion) of said power

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:28:46am

re: #239 Citizen K

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:29:06am

re: #251 Jay C

The problem, once again, is that our Constitution is out of date. We need some definite changes to the Constitution to bring it up to date.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:29:06am

re: #250 freetoken

From Scotusblog:

Still, you can expect the Trumpers to misinterpret the ruling.

So the Court doesn’t say that the policy is bad, they just say that the White House saying “Bad guys came from these select countries” is grounds for a blanket ban.

FFS.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:30:28am

re: #254 Targetpractice

I think what the majority is claiming is that a state like Hawaii doesn’t have a Constitutional basis to challenge an alleged, by the Executive, national security matter.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:31:16am

re: #200 Targetpractice

Heather Heyer remains dead, many others who were attacked that day by skinheads continue to bear the scars. But yes, let’s hear about how it’s the liberals who are in danger of turning political discourse into political violence.

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I think the Red Hen story is a great example of the media all jumping onto a narrative and running it into the ground.

They sure as hell do not spend any time trying to figure out how it fits in the scheme of the current political climate and how it compares to other recent events.

They see a story and they all pile on. And most of the people you see on TV are just reading the script. There is no depth to the report. They should just use a artificial computer generated voice.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:32:36am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:32:42am

re: #255 freetoken

I think what the majority is claiming is that a state like Hawaii doesn’t have a Constitutional basis to challenge an alleged, by the Executive, national security matter.

Which sets the stage for further rulings that anything the president says is a response to a “national security matter” is now verboten.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:33:01am

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Good teachers can use uncomplimentary portrayals of characters in stories as teaching moments. Huckleberry Finn still catches flak for the Jim character, though Twain in fact was trying to show how two people of different races could still become friends. And the n* word was part of the language back then.

OTOH using the Ingalls books in a classroom in which there were Native American or First Nation students could be problematic.

Mark Twain used the N-word everywhere in his books because hey, it was the 1880’s! Huckleberry Finn was actually against racism and slavery. Also Puddinhead Wilson is a very underrated Twain book. It would make a very unsatisfying movie, because all the “Black” characters in the book are white! (They are considered “Black” because of the “One Drop” rule of the time.)

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:33:05am

re: #252 I cannot.

My problem is if ‘minimizing the harms’ is all we can really do, then we’ve already lost. Because if the last couple decades or so have shown me anything it’s that the electorate has minimal patience for Dems actually trying to fix things while showing infinite patience for the GOP utterly destroying things even worse than before. There’s no chance to actually fix fucking anything because we don’t even get the chance to minimize the damage before the entire fucking country decides we’re too much ‘status quo’ and need to return things to the safe, valid arms of Daddy fucking GOP.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:33:10am

China and EU are working around the USA. MAGA!

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:34:24am

re: #254 Targetpractice

So the Court doesn’t say that the policy is bad, they just say that the White House saying “Bad guys came from these select countries” is grounds for a blanket ban.

FFS.

SRSLY: what that comment about the “soundness of the policy” even mean? The function of SCOTUS is to determine whether a law or policy is Constitutional or not - WTF does “soundness” even come into it?

Great: so now the SC has enabled Trump to institute whatever vile policy re immigration that pops into his addled brain? Without ( one supposes) much chance of legal constraint?

Swell.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:35:12am

Also from Scotusblog:

Justice Kennedy’s concurrence says, essentially, that there are some things that are unconstitutional that the Judiciary is not in a place to correct or address. It’s subtext is pretty close to the surface, and seems designed to chastise the Executive while agreeing with the majority that there was not anything the Court could do about it.

Again, the Constitution needs to be updated. When it was written, the founders could not have foreseen a time when modern travel and technology would raise these issues.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:35:55am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:36:29am

re: #264 freetoken

Also from Scotusblog:

Again, the Constitution needs to be updated. When it was written, the founders could not have foreseen a time when modern travel and technology would raise these issues.

Really, what it sounds like is SCOTUS again punting: “Sorry, nothing we can do, you fuckers are on your own!”

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:37:29am

re: #266 Targetpractice

Yes, SCOTUS is punting. The majority is saying the the ball is not in their court.

This again tells us how crucial this fall’s elections are.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:37:31am

re: #266 Targetpractice

Really, what it sounds like is SCOTUS again punting: “Sorry, nothing we can do, you fuckers are on your own!”

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:39:15am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:39:28am

IOW, the “civility” crowd who is suggesting that we sit back and “let this play out in the courts” are fooling themselves, that our salvation will not come from the “rule of law” being respected because the administration and its sycophants in the legislature are actively working to bend the judiciary to their will.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:39:45am

=re: #269 Dr. Matt

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Oh but DACA was too powerful. Fuck Doughface Roberts.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:39:49am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:40:43am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

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Oh but DACA was too powerful. Fuck Doughface Roberts.

There’s no difference between Trump and Hillary….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:41:24am

re: #273 Dr. Matt

There’s no difference between Trump and Hillary….

No difference between Garland and Gorsuch.

No difference between Pence and Kaine.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:41:32am

re: #264 freetoken

Also from Scotusblog:

Again, the Constitution needs to be updated. When it was written, the founders could not have foreseen a time when modern travel and technology would raise these issues.

And yet, in other cases, they would have declared it unconstitutional and told the administration to fix them first.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:41:36am

And now the Stock Market is in + territory.

Wall Street likes the racist decision.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:42:57am

re: #276 Joe Bacon 🌹

I would put no meaning into intra-day equities trading.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:43:36am

re: #276 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now the Stock Market is in + territory.

Wall Street likes the racist decision.

I’m chalking it up to random market fluctuation. Correlation is not causation.

Plus, there are still several hours left in the trading day. Plenty of time for Trump to F something else up.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:43:39am

I’ve never felt like leaving more than I have now.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:43:49am

re: #276 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now the Stock Market is in + territory.

Wall Street likes the racist decision.

This country is hopelessly racist, and the courts seem perfectly built to ensure it will remain so for a lifetime or more. The backslide cant be stopped now.

I’ve officially lost any and all hope this shit is ever going to be fixed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:44:03am

re: #264 freetoken

Also from Scotusblog:

Again, the Constitution needs to be updated. When it was written, the founders could not have foreseen a time when modern travel and technology would raise these issues.

The danger of a new Constitutional Convention is having the Republicans do the Koch/Mercer/Wall Street bidding to gut the Bill of Rights and cripple the Federal Government by going back to a weak Articles of Confederation type impotent Central government.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:45:27am

My biggest fear remains that somehow we do get out of this only to be conned again because such of a big percentage of this country are easily conned morons.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:45:43am

I have nothing but hate and despair in my heart at this point.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:45:48am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I’ve never felt like leaving more than I have now.

Then everyone else loses. And, really, where would you go anyway? If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:46:07am

It seems that the conservative members of the SCOTUS can’t outright rule Trump as God-Emperor because Kennedy won’t go along with it, so they’re stuck stringing him along with these milquetoast “The court’s hands are tied” rulings that effectively rip the teeth out of the judiciary at the time when they’re needed most.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:46:12am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Me too. And it makes me really angry. I wish I had the means, I’d be packing now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:46:14am

re: #280 Citizen K

This country is hopelessly racist, and the courts seem perfectly built to ensure it will remain so for a lifetime or more. The backslide cant be stopped now.

I’ve officially lost any and all hope this shit is ever going to be fixed.

We’re witnessing the end of the United States. We’re headed toward implosion and collapse which will be triggered by the rest of the world dumping the dollar and Treasury securities. Add in the New Trade War that will trigger mass unemployment.

But we still done got Jay-Zuss!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:46:23am

re: #283 Citizen K

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I have nothing but hate and despair in my heart at this point.

Remember when Obama was accused of spiking the football over OBL’s deat. Yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:47:22am

re: #284 Belafon

Then everyone else loses. And, really, where would you go anyway? If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere.

Can you let me have some frustration? Of course, it can happen anywhere. I’m just profoundly disillusioned right now. The courts are supposed to be a balancing act. I’m not actually leaving and I’m going to be campaigning all Summer for my congressional candidate.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:47:24am

Indefinite internments, here we come….

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:47:31am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

My biggest fear remains that somehow we do get out of this only to be conned again because such of a big percentage of this country are easily conned morons.

There are many here that can be conned. But there are many who thought someone else would take care of it and that they didn’t need to do anything. That’s changed, with the most obvious tell being all the new people running for office.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:48:29am

re: #287 Joe Bacon 🌹

A bit hyperbolic.

During the Great Depression there was quite a bit dire angst.

During the Civil War there was the palpable, existential threat to the US. That was the last such threat.

What we are is what we’ve always been - a nation built by slave labor, then low-wage labor, run by a cadre of rich, with a healthy dose of religio-bigotry.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:48:30am

Rob Rogers latest!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:48:31am

re: #291 Belafon

There are many here that can be conned. But there are many who thought someone else would take care of it and that they didn’t need to do anything. That’s changed, with the most obvious tell being all the new people running for office.

Let’s hope so. I’m sorry man. I try not to wallow into despair but SCOTUS is supposed to keep the President in check. They failed in that today big time.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:50:14am

Let’s not over-romanticize America’s past.

We have only on rare occasion been what Reagan asserted, a shining light on the hill.

At times we’ve played that role, but a lot of time we’ve just been like every other country around.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:51:08am

re: #295 freetoken

Let’s not over-romanticize America’s past.

We have only on rare occasion been what Reagan asserted, a shining light on the hill.

At times we’ve played that role, but a lot of time we’ve just been like every other country around.

You know what, I’m going ot say this but fuck Reagan. Reagan’s a big part of why the GOP is such an ugly shit show these days.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:51:37am

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:51:37am

re: #290 Citizen K

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Indefinite internments, here we come….

I see that.

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mmmirele  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:51:41am

You watch. Trump will justify holding families in internment camps on national security grounds.

We are so completely f*cked. The Supreme Court just opened the door to all sorts of f*ckery in the name of national security.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:51:46am

re: #295 freetoken

Let’s not over-romanticize America’s past.

We have only on rare occasion been what Reagan asserted, a shining light on the hill.

At times we’ve played that role, but a lot of time we’ve just been like every other country around.

The lights are out. Someone forgot to pay the bill (as in vote against Trump).

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:51:46am

Trump is no different (really, no different) than the bigots who fought to preserve Jim Crow.

They have lost before, and we can make them lose again.

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austin_blue  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:51:53am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

The stolen seat showing its benefits in the worst way.

80,000 votes in three States.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:52:25am

I am not giving up. I am not allowing myself to sink into the depths of depression where I will do no good for myself or the rest of the country. I’m not putting up with this shit and will fight it every step of the way. I’m also doing it without seeing-red anger because that’s not helpful to me, either. As my protest t-shirt states, “And you thought I was a nasty woman before? Buckle up, Buttercup.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:52:31am

re: #301 freetoken

Trump is no different (really, no different) than the bigots who fought to preserve Jim Crow.

They have lost before, and we can make them lose again.

I think they will lose but I’m afraid the cost will be blood as it was in that era. We should have gotten over this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:52:45am

re: #302 austin_blue

80,000 votes in three States.

Yep.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:53:19am

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Good teachers can use uncomplimentary portrayals of characters in stories as teaching moments. Huckleberry Finn still catches flak for the Jim character, though Twain in fact was trying to show how two people of different races could still become friends. And the n* word was part of the language back then.

OTOH using the Ingalls books in a classroom in which there were Native American or First Nation students could be problematic.

Like using Huckleberry Finnin a classroom where there were black students? I think one could manage the Indian chapters easily enough (e.g. this was three-year-old Laura’s view of a war in progress, in which she was on the wrong, though winning, side).

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:53:28am

re: #290 Citizen K

Indefinite internments, here we come….

I just went and looked up the case. The original SCOTUS ruling was in favor of internment. The ruling still stands, though:

The decision in Korematsu v. United States has been controversial.[2] Korematsu’s conviction for evading internment was overturned on November 10, 1983, after Korematsu challenged the earlier decision by filing for a writ of coram nobis. In a ruling by Judge Marilyn Hall Patel, the United States District Court for the Northern District of California granted the writ (thus voiding Korematsu’s original conviction) because in Korematsu’s original case, the government had knowingly submitted false information to the Supreme Court that had a material effect on the Supreme Court’s decision.[5]

The Korematsu decision has not been explicitly overturned,[6] but in 2011, the Department of Justice filed an official notice[7] conceding that the Solicitor General’s defense of the internment policy at the time had been in error. However, the Court’s opinion remains significant: it was the first instance of the Supreme Court applying the strict scrutiny standard to racial discrimination by the government. Also, it was one of only a handful of cases in which the Court held that the government had met that standard.

Another one of those “Obama did it, therefore it must be bad.”

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SteelPH  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:53:45am

re: #303 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I am not giving up. I am not allowing myself to sink into the depths of depression where I will do no good for myself or the rest of the country. I’m not putting up with this shit and will fight it every step of the way. I’m also doing it without seeing-red anger because that’s not helpful to me, either. As my protest t-shirt states, “And you thought I was a nasty woman before? Buckle up, Buttercup.”

Needs to be repeated. A lot.

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Zip Diske  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:54:05am

Those five justices will vote for anything Trump wants them to. That’s their job.

And none of them should be buried in American soil.

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:54:44am

Gah, got back from a lovely trip to eastern Nevada and whatnot. Now this. I do believe I’ll spend my day hiding under the bed.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:55:09am

re: #269 Dr. Matt

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that presidents have substantial power to regulate immigration

I’m so old I remember when Obama’s immigration EO’s were a prime example of Tyrannies and executive overreach.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:56:38am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

I think they will lose but I’m afraid the cost will be blood as it was in that era. We should have gotten over this.

That old annoying phrase, shoulda, coulda, woulda.

The upside to people dying is that old crusty people don’t get to remain in power forever. The downside is we lose the people who remember what went on before.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:57:30am

re: #311 Sir John Barron

I’m so old I remember when Obama’s immigration EO’s were a prime example of Tyrannies and executive overreach.

They protected non-whites.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:57:32am

re: #302 austin_blue

80,000 votes in three States.

11,000 votes in Michigan, where Jill Stein got 50,000 votes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:58:05am

re: #312 Belafon

That old annoying phrase, shoulda, coulda, woulda.

The upside to people dying is that old crusty people don’t get to remain in power forever. The downside is we lose the people who remember what went on before.

That’s very true. Don’t mind me man, I’m venting a litlte. I’m not leaving and most importantly nor am I giving up.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:59:13am

re: #312 Belafon

That old annoying phrase, shoulda, coulda, woulda.

The upside to people dying is that old crusty people don’t get to remain in power forever. The downside is we lose the people who remember what went on before.

Or that we have just as many people in power who do remember what went on and adored it enough to want it to happen again.

Demographic change won’t matter, because the only demographic that will be legally allowed to matter at this point loves this fucking shit it seems.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:59:30am

re: #309 scottslemmons

Those five justices will vote for anything Trump wants them to. That’s their job.

And none of them should be buried in American soil.

As I noted above, four are totally on Trump’s side. The fifth is a swing vote who has been convinced in this and several recent cases to vote on the “The situation is hopeless!” side. If the pro-Trump side of the bench had one more seat, they wouldn’t even bother with throwing their hands up, they’d have handed down a ruling that Trump was totally in the right.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:59:50am

Just my humble opinion/approach to this awful news.

Not gonna give up or cower. I hope we can play this to galvanize independents and moderates. It’s a time for resolve. To understand the court explicitly did not endorse the policy. That’s a door wide open to re address as abuses and other legal problems surface.

Ignore the victory party on the other side. There is no benefit to taking that in. Spend the time on something, anything more useful and less aggravating.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:00:28am

re: #260 The Vicious Babushka

Mark Twain used the N-word everywhere in his books because hey, it was the 1880’s! Huckleberry Finn was actually against racism and slavery. Also Puddinhead Wilson is a very underrated Twain book. It would make a very unsatisfying movie, because all the “Black” characters in the book are white! (They are considered “Black” because of the “One Drop” rule of the time.)

Huck used the word because he didn’t know any other one. And he was the narrator, after all. (There were other words even then but a semi-literate poor kid wouldn’t know them. )

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:00:33am

MSM: Breaking, SCOTUS upholds travel ban.

Also MSM: You fucking libs better be civil!

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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:00:37am

re: #235 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Is there a convention in town?

Cowbirds, sad to say, are thriving.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:01:12am

re: #306 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Like using Huckleberry Finnin a classroom where there were black students? I think one could manage the Indian chapters easily enough (e.g. this was three-year-old Laura’s view of a war in progress, in which she was on the wrong, though winning, side).

Huck Finn would not be telling the AA students anything they don’t already know. Some schools use expurgated versions which remove the n* word. Most objections to the book center around that word, not necessarily about the portrayal of Jim and Huck’s conflicted friendship with him. That said, a white teacher would have to be very careful in approaching the book, perhaps more so than an AA teacher.

Fact is, there’s always someone who can find something objectionable in nearly every book used in schools.

Speaking of which, has anybody else seen the remake of Fahrenheit 451? I was wondering what your reactions were.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:02:46am

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:03:11am

Speaking of galvanizing… Lost in this SCOTUS news is a protest opportunity. AG Sessions may well stop in downtown Los Angeles today. Good people are planning a good demonstration of dissent.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:05:01am

re: #280 Citizen K

This country is hopelessly racist, and the courts seem perfectly built to ensure it will remain so for a lifetime or more. The backslide cant be stopped now.

I’ve officially lost any and all hope this shit is ever going to be fixed.

So of course you won’t do anything to try, and we who will are fools to even bother.

Take it elsewhere, please (she said civilly).

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:05:56am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

That’s very true. Don’t mind me man, I’m venting a litlte. I’m not leaving and most importantly nor am I giving up.

And don’t let me annoy you too much. I’ve had way too much practice over the years with having to overcome obstacles to get where I am, and I’m playing on easy mode (white guy), and I’ve got three boys. I have a major interest in not having things fall apart.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:06:15am
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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:07:26am

As near as I can tell from reading people who seem to know this stuff, there can still be interventions by the courts on specific actions taken during the “Trump ban”.

If I an understanding correctly, today’s ruling is just that an Executive can do bans for national security reasons. Yet it does not rule on the details of any such executive actions.

So, if someone is wronged by such a ban, they can still bring a case against the Government in court.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:08:56am

re: #327 Targetpractice

And even though it doesn’t really do much, I think Stein and Sarandon deserve all of the scorn they get.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:08:56am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

You know what, I’m going ot say this but fuck Reagan. Reagan’s a big part of why the GOP is such an ugly shit show these days.

There is nothing to choose between tRump and Reagan. Reagan was more polished at creating an acceptably decorous public image but the main difference is that the body politic was more resilient in those days. It hadn’t been subjected to 37 years of Reaganomics and the Reagan GOP. Morally and ethically, Reagan was tRump. No difference in hell.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:08:59am

re: #326 Belafon

And don’t let me annoy you too much. I’ve had way too much practice over the years with having to overcome obstacles to get where I am, and I’m playing on easy mode (white guy), and I’ve got three boys. I have a major interest in not having things fall apart.

You’re good man. We’re all on the same side here.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:09:27am

re: #330 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There is nothing to choose between tRump and Reagan. Reagan was more polished at creating an acceptably decorous public image but the main difference is that the body politic was more resilient in those days. It hadn’t been subjected to 37 years of Reaganomics and the Reagan GOP. Morally and ethically, Reagan was tRump. No difference in hell.

The first Never Trumper who acknowledges that will get a cookie from me.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:09:53am

re: #302 austin_blue

80,000 Russian votes in three States.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:10:29am

re: #327 Targetpractice

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So SCOTUS basically says POTUS can have a temper tantrum at a nation and ban people from that nation. Yikes.

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SteelPH  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:11:15am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

So SCOTUS basically says POTUS can have a temper tantrum at a nation and ban people from that nation. Yikes.

So how long before he does this against our allies?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:11:21am

re: #333 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t disagree but our wound was self inflicted. Trump should have lost in a greater landslide than McGovern, Goldwater, or Mondale, all men with much more integrity and fit for the highest office.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:11:35am

re: #335 SteelPH

So how long before he does this against our allies?

That’s what I’m worried about.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:11:51am

re: #328 freetoken

As near as I can tell from reading people who seem to know this stuff, there can still be interventions by the courts on specific actions taken during the “Trump ban”.

If I an understanding correctly, today’s ruling is just that an Executive can do bans for national security reasons. Yet it does not rule on the details of any such executive actions.

So, if someone is wronged by such a ban, they can still bring a case against the Government in court.

At the same time, it’s given this administration more time on the clock. Finding people who can prove with evidence that they were wronged, gathering the evidence, filing the paperwork to bring suit, and so forth is all time that this administration now has to further its goal of shutting off entry to this nation of all “undesirables.” And even if the case should succeed, the most it will do is return things to a state of status quo antebellum, with the understanding that the White House remains open to take actions if it argues they are in a “national security interest.”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:12:22am

re: #322 wheat-dogg

Huck Finn would not be telling the AA students anything they don’t already know. Some schools use expurgated versions which remove the n* word. Most objections to the book center around that word, not necessarily about the portrayal of Jim and Huck’s conflicted friendship with him. That said, a white teacher would have to be very careful in approaching the book, perhaps more so than an AA teacher.

Fact is, there’s always someone who can find something objectionable in nearly every book used in schools.

Speaking of which, has anybody else seen the remake of Fahrenheit 451? I was wondering what your reactions were.

Neither would the Little House books be telling NA students anything they don’t see elsewhere. Sadly.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:13:53am

re: #328 freetoken

As near as I can tell from reading people who seem to know this stuff, there can still be interventions by the courts on specific actions taken during the “Trump ban”.

If I an understanding correctly, today’s ruling is just that an Executive can do bans for national security reasons. Yet it does not rule on the details of any such executive actions.

So, if someone is wronged by such a ban, they can still bring a case against the Government in court.

Trump’s ban does nothing for national security, since the nations targeted are ones that have mostly not fostered terrorism. Those that have are not on the list. It’s all for show, so he can tell his idiot base that he’s securing the borders, etc., etc.

Regardless of the legal meaning of the ruling, it’s going to embolden the idiot base to continue attacks on Muslims in the USA just trying to go about their everyday business.

I follow a Korean-American lawyer gal on Twitter (@thejenlife) and even she’s worried about how Trump’s apparent hatred of immigrants will affect her and her family. I gather she’s a Korean expat with a green card, but I may be misconstruing her tweets.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:15:40am

Real Life beckons. Later!

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:15:46am

re: #340 wheat-dogg

I follow a Korean-American lawyer gal on Twitter (@thejenlife) and even she’s worried …

Notice that I can’t see her tweets. She must be concerned about something.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:16:02am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

That’s what I’m worried about.

Next up, the Northern Wall.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:17:27am

re: #343 wheat-dogg

Next up, the Northern Wall.

The Canadian-US border is the longest international border in the world.

Remember: Alaska.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:19:19am

re: #342 freetoken

Notice that I can’t see her tweets. She must be concerned about something.

I have no idea. Maybe she’s just not making her TL public. Forgot how I stumbled across her. She’s prolific, tweeting about lawyer stuff, her two little dogs, shoes, fashion, her bf and his parents, food, her mom visiting from Korea, just about everything. It’s all quite entertaining.

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rhuarc  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:19:35am

I have a couple of trips planned to Europe this year. Late July to Germany/Austria and October to Netherlands/Germany/Denmark/Sweden. Wonder if Americans will be banned from entering Europe as a retaliatory measure by then? ;)

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:19:56am

re: #344 freetoken

The Canadian-US border is the longest international border in the world.

Remember: Alaska.

*I* know that, but does Trump and his idiot base?

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austin_blue  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:23:12am

re: #335 SteelPH

So how long before he does this against our allies?

Those rotten Canadians are next. Look how many Mooslums they have let in! MAGA!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:25:45am

In other news, today is primary day in Maryland.

I’m a little surprised, I guess, by how little email I’ve gotten from the gubernatorial candidates, given the kind of lists I’m on. I have heard a lot from one candidate, but most of the others I’ve heard from only indirectly or not at all.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:27:03am

re: #343 wheat-dogg

Next up, the Northern Wall.

Artist rendering.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:27:07am

re: #349 Sir John Barron

I am hoping the Dem turnout is larger than the GOP turnout in all the primary states. I need something to cheer me up.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:29:47am

re: #349 Sir John Barron

In other news, today is primary day in Maryland.

I’m a little surprised, I guess, by how little email I’ve gotten from the gubernatorial candidates, given the kind of lists I’m on. I have heard a lot from one candidate, but most of the others I’ve heard from only indirectly or not at all.

Who are you voting for for governor? I honestly don’t mind Jealous despite his Bernie connections but I don’t know if he’s gubernatorial material or not.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:29:50am

SCOTUS rules that California law requiring full disclosures by pregnancy crisis centers violates their 1st Amendment rights to deceive their clients. The upside is that abortion doctors can now challenge the anti-abortion statements red states require them to make as violating their 1st Amendment rights.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:30:04am

re: #351 wheat-dogg

I am hoping the Dem turnout is larger than the GOP turnout in all the primary states. I need something to cheer me up.

It was here and that was with the fact they had a senate primary and we did not.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:31:20am

re: #351 wheat-dogg

I am hoping the Dem turnout is larger than the GOP turnout in all the primary states. I need something to cheer me up.

Primary turnout in Maryland might not mean much, as incumbent GOP Governor Hogan is unopposed, so I would not expect as many R’s going to the polls, although there are downballot races of course.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:31:37am

So it looks like Alison Ettel’s (Permit Patty) products are being removed from stores. Companies are even taking the money they’ve earned from those products and donating it to Black Girl’s Code and the 8 year old.

Also, according to the diary, there’s a three week wait list for the Red Hen. Not sure what it was like before, but business isn’t hurting.

We have lots to overcome, a lot of which is our current government. But we have lots of people on our side.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:33:34am

More and more I do family research the more I see why white Americans complaining abut so called chain migration should shut up.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:33:59am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Who are you voting for for governor? I honestly don’t mind Jealous despite his Bernie connections but I don’t know if he’s gubernatorial material or not.

I’m not terribly happy with the field, TBH. I voted for Jim Shea, who is not one of the leading candidates.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:35:16am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:35:29am

re: #358 Sir John Barron

I’m not terribly happy with the field, TBH. I voted for Jim Shea, who is not one of the leading candidates.

I’m expecting Hogan to win re-election but I may be wrong.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:36:17am

re: #358 Sir John Barron

I’m not terribly happy with the field, TBH. I voted for Jim Shea, who is not one of the leading candidates.

But the gov race will be an interesting one to watch tonight. I am also interested in my district’s county council race where the incumbent Dem is term-limited and is running for state assembly, so there is a multi-candidate race to replace her.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:36:50am
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Zip Diske  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:36:54am

It’s not just legal immigrants who should be worried. He’s also been working on plans to revoke naturalized citizenship. And honestly, it’s only a matter of time before this changes from an open war on immigrants to an open war on anyone who isn’t white.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:38:53am

re: #362 Teukka

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:39:13am

re: #363 scottslemmons

It’s not just legal immigrants who should be worried. He’s also been working on plans to revoke naturalized citizenship. And honestly, it’s only a matter of time before this changes from an open war on immigrants to an open war on anyone who isn’t white.

Yes I saw that.

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:40:29am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:41:13am

re: #362 Teukka

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Thus continuing the reality of Trump as an abusive husband: He’ll love and praise you as you make him look good, but say his actions are wrong and he’ll beat you bloody while saying its your fault he’s been “forced” to do it.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:43:28am

re: #366 Chrysicat

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:43:43am

re: #366 Chrysicat

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:43:55am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I’ve never felt like leaving more than I have now.

Of all the people here, to see you write that really bums me out.

I want to say more…but it is best not to get into it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:44:40am

re: #370 ObserverArt

Of all the people here, to see you write that really bums me out.

I want to say more…but it is best not to get into it.

I’m okay man. I’m just disappointed because I really thought hte courts would keep him in line.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:46:11am

We have centuries of history to show us that what is being done is wrong, but along with it are a legion of morons who now want to argue that using the past as a guide is wrong because “It’s totally different!”

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:46:24am
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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:47:18am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I’ve never felt like leaving more than I have now.

LGF, or the US?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:48:32am

re: #372 Targetpractice

We have centuries of history to show us that what is being done is wrong, but along with it are a legion of morons who now want to argue that using the past as a guide is wrong because “It’s totally different!”

I’m sure there were people poo-pooing those concerned about was happening in Europe oto. In fact, I’m not sure, I know they were. They told Hitler’s critics that they were overreacting. That tehy should just give him what he wants. And then it was too late.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:48:51am

re: #374 Chrysicat

LGF, or the US?

The US. I’m not leaving here here. Y’all keep me sane.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:49:09am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:50:27am

It would be most honest if those who try to argue that what’s happening is “different” just acknowledged that they (in reality) are just wanting it to be different because they don’t want to be part to the reenactment of horrors that today are relegated to dry and dusty tomes of history. They don’t want to be on the front lines of a fight against fascism and tyranny, they want to believe that things are just going through a “rough patch” and we’ll emerge from the other side once Trump is gone. Just as many in nations that became dictatorships told themselves that the guy in power couldn’t “live forever” and eventually his reign would end along with the horrors spawned from it.

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mmmirele  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:52:08am

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:53:22am

Fuck McConnell and his feckless cunt GOP who blocked Merrick Garland from ever getting a hearing and dooming the Supreme Court to have Gorsuch in his stead.

We’ll be seeing waves of these cases for decades to come as Gorsuch moves to eviscerate human, civil, and voting rights.

Gorsuch is the second coming of Taney, as the Muslim ban case will be recognized in the same breath as Plessy and Dred Scot.

Fuck the GOP.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:53:27am

re: #380 Winston_Smith

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When satire fails to keep up with reality, so it just posts reality verbatim.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:53:41am

I don’t claim to know all of the history in the US in every detail, but I personally compare the current administration to the Woodrow Wilson one. He was racist, and he even used an EO to kick all of the minorities out of the government. And it sucks that he’s in charge and so many are enabling him.

The difference, though, is how the majority of the country is reacting. Back then, the country responded by kicking all of the blacks out of baseball and ramping up Jim Crow. Now, people are protesting, and kicking Trump admin people out of restaurants. Do you think any restaurant would have kicked Wilson’s press secretary out?

My hope is not based on the fact that we got through the Wilson’s era, because that took way too long. My hope is based on the people I hear and see pushing back.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:53:51am

re: #379 mmmirele

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:54:49am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

I’m sure there were people poo-pooing those concerned about was happening in Europe oto. In fact, I’m not sure, I know they were. They told Hitler’s critics that they were overreacting. That tehy should just give him what he wants. And then it was too late.

The German aristocracy and their intellectual allies told themselves that Hitler wasn’t a concern, that as soon as he became a threat to their nation he could be removed, as he’d been appointed to an office that was largely ceremonial while the real power lay in the Reichstag and the presidency.

Then the Reichstag burned, Hitler blamed the communists, a rigged election gave the Nazis a majority government, and the Chancellery went from being a ceremonial office to the real position of power in the German government backed by a legislature that allowed it to rule by fiat.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:55:08am

re: #353 Big Beautiful Door

SCOTUS rules that California law requiring full disclosures by pregnancy crisis centers violates their 1st Amendment rights to deceive their clients. The upside is that abortion doctors can now challenge the anti-abortion statements red states require them to make as violating their 1st Amendment rights.

Oh you silly person. Thinking these rulings are a two way street…

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:55:24am

re: #283 Citizen K

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I have nothing but hate and despair in my heart at this point.

It should be shocking to citizens of no religion or any religion that an Executive Order denying entrance based on a person’s religion has just been upheld by our SCOTUS. This is a dark day in American history.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:55:28am
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electrotek  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:56:32am

re: #388 The Vicious Babushka

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:57:23am

re: #366 Chrysicat

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:57:53am

I love traveling abroad. Not sure how long I will get to do it though, because it feels like a matter of time before countries start issuing travel bans against US citizens.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:58:05am

re: #390 Teukka

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:58:42am

re: #392 Teukka

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The kids might disagree but it’s okay guys, Carson is on it!

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A Mom Anon  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:00:32am

re: #368 Targetpractice

Kill the Indian, Save the Man. And this shit was only stopped in the last 30-40 years. I would not even be shocked if it still happened, no one gives a shit about life on a reservation.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:00:37am

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:01:53am

re: #322 wheat-dogg

Speaking of which, has anybody else seen the remake of Fahrenheit 451? I was wondering what your reactions were.

There’s some updated sci-fi tech that makes the ending more hopeful than I remember from the book; the character development is more ambiguous and less happy than what I remember from the book.

caveat — I read it decades ago, and haven’t seen any other film versions.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:01:59am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:02:14am

re: #392 Teukka

Even if what the Trump administration isn’t technically genocide, it is still immoral and illegal. Separating children from their parents is simply not acceptable or necessary. Can’t wait for when SCOTUS issues a decision upholding it like they’ve upheld pretty much every other discriminatory policy emanating out of this administration.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:02:21am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

The kids might disagree but it’s okay guys, Carson is on it!

Genocide deniers. *spits*
12 Ways to Deny Genocide

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:03:15am

re: #394 A Mom Anon

Kill the Indian, Save the Man. And this shit was only stopped in the last 30-40 years. I would not even be shocked if it still happened, no one gives a shit about life on a reservation.

Unless that Reservation is the Navajo Nation, and unfortunately that’s prolly because a lot of middle-aged white people liked to use it as a ‘land of adventure’ in their mystery fiction.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:06:11am

About one-fourth of Brown-Forman’s revenues are generated in Europe.

foodmanufacturing.com

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Aussie Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:06:12am

Its not like Tump would have given a care if was a 4-5 decision.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:06:41am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:09:09am

re: #403 jaunte

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I love this guy. If he weren’t running against Cruz, I’d want him to run for POTUS. In so many ways, Beto is the Anti-Trump. He’s intelligent, kind, thoughtful, etc.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:10:00am

re: #403 jaunte

Catherine Krantz, who is running against John Ratcliffe here the Rockwall to Texarkana district, ran her primary on working with rural areas. She will definitely have some stuff to run on.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:10:44am

re: #391 Mike Lamb

I love traveling abroad. Not sure how long I will get to do it though, because it feels like a matter of time before countries start issuing travel bans against US citizens.

I hope they do. The U.S. needs some harsh lessons. I hope a lot of what Trump does comes right back to kick those people in the ass when they find out there are repercussions for everything we do.

The Trump supports are on such “hell yeah” high with Trump they have no idea what he is doing to them. That is what ignorance always brings. The hard lessons come after the high.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:11:08am

re: #381 lawhawk

I should also add to that the Korematsu case, which enabled the internment camps in WWII.

It’s only a matter of time before Trump goes down that ugly road.

Wait - we’re already on that highway to hell as he’s put toddlers in cages, and built internment camps in all but name to hold tens of thousands of people seeking asylum.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:11:26am

I now fear we’ll lose a SCOTUS judge before we can get rid of Trump and that asshole will be able to steal another seat.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:12:58am

The only silver lining to this decision is that the policy can be overturned by the stroke of a pen from the next president.

(Until, of course, the SCOTUS decides that the president’s expansive authority over immigration does not include a Democratic president overturning a Republican executive order).

Also, fuck Kennedy’s cowardly “Don’t get made at me—I don’t like this policy, I just can’t do anything about it.

Same for Roberts’ bullshit “We are not expressing anything regarding the soundness of this policy”. The majority in this decision should get heckled back to the Stone Age whenever they step foot in public.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:13:10am

re: #397 Citizen K

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I understand and agree with the need to fight, but I can’t fault those for whom the fight seems futile at this point. They were told for the better part of a year that the fight would be “won” in the courts, that that string of victories in the early court battles would continue all the way to the steps of the Supreme Court and Trump’s efforts stymied or even halted entirely. Now we get to the SCOTUS and realize that the Court is willing to give Trump a pass if it can argue that doing so is the only option the Court has.

At that point, what is there left to do? We as citizens can argue that its to vote and seek a government better able to fight Trump and his influence, but what of those who aren’t citizens? How do they continue the fight when the best ally they might have had just shut the door in their face?

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:14:40am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

I now fear we’ll lose a SCOTUS judge before we can get rid of Trump and that asshole will be able to steal another seat.

The age/health discrepancy between the liberal and conservative wings of the Court is terrifying.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:16:26am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

I now fear we’ll lose a SCOTUS judge before we can get rid of Trump and that asshole will be able to steal another seat.

Well, hopefully we get a Democratic senate and they refuse to allow a nomination for two years. The path has been laid and it would be justice if it happens that way. And hopefully McConnell is around to watch it happen.

Hang on liberal justices!

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:17:15am

re: #410 Targetpractice

I understand and agree with the need to fight, but I can’t fault those for whom the fight seems futile at this point. They were told for the better part of a year that the fight would be “won” in the courts, that that string of victories in the early court battles would continue all the way to the steps of the Supreme Court and Trump’s efforts stymied or even halted entirely. Now we get to the SCOTUS and realize that the Court is willing to give Trump a pass if it can argue that doing so is the only option the Court has.

At that point, what is there left to do? We as citizens can argue that its to vote and seek a government better able to fight Trump and his influence, but what of those who aren’t citizens? How do they continue the fight when the best ally they might have had just shut the door in their face?

Especially when it’s clear that those of us who believed we or their loved ones were truly citizens and would remain citizens right up until the nativist warpath got the closest it’s been to literally de-naturalizing citizens and/or striking birthright citizenship that it’s ever gotten.

It makes elections seem utterly futile when the courts that should be a bulwark against this kind of shit have instead become the ultimate impenetrable bulwark protecting it. Barring some kind of FDR-esque court packing and expansion scheme, I’m really not sure how we pull out of this.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:19:15am

This is a very dark day in our history.

And it’s the direct result of people thinking (in no particular order)
1) Clinton was worse than Trump,
2) that there were no difference between the parties,
3) my vote doesn’t matter, so I’ll vote for Bernie or Jill as a “protest” vote, or
4) voter suppression isn’t a thing but voter fraud is.

So many individual bits led us here. But given where we are now, we better fight to make sure that everyone votes as if their lives depend on it - because it’s clear more than ever that they do.

The GOP intend to roll back what’s left of Obamacare, including eliminating preexisting condition protections, that will hike costs to nearly 25% of all Americans, since pretty much everyone knows someone who has one (from obesity to high blood pressure to diabetes to cancer to pregnancy).

The GOP also intends to further rollback all kinds of protections - environmental, consumer, and voting/civil rights. We’ve seen it every step of the way with Trump, and it’s only going to get worse unless the GOP are stopped here and now.

You can’t count on the Courts to do this - because McConnell’s long con is in focus: he’s packed the courts with like minded extremists intent on destroying 70 years of social progress so angry white guys can feel better about themselves, and for the rich to get richer as social programs and the social contract are gutted as burdens are shifted on to those who are least able to endure them.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:20:27am

re: #46 BigPapa

Dennis Quaid was a better Doc Holliday than Val Kilmer. Fight me.

Audry Hepburn was miscast in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:22:08am

re: #412 ObserverArt

Well, hopefully we get a Democratic senate and they refuse to allow a nomination for two years. The path has been laid and it would be justice if it happens that way. And hopefully McConnell is around to watch it happen.

Hang on liberal justices!

I hope McConnell lives to see his legacy flushed down the toilet. I don’t want him dead. I want him to witness a liberal court.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:22:17am

For those who complain that churches aren’t trying, may I point to a statement by my previous priest:

Proclaiming the Gospel and following Jesus in America, 2018: On Muslim bans, indefinite detention, and the separation of families
by djgrieser
As the days and months go by, I barely recognize the nation in which I was born and where I’ve lived for 58 of my 60 years. Perhaps it would be better to say that the shiny polish of civility, justice, and inclusion that dominated my understanding has been removed so that the ugly image underneath is on full display.

With the Supreme Court decision on the constitutionality of the “muslim ban,” the continued assault on the rule of law, the inhumane and unjust treatment of refugees, immigrants and asylum seekers, it would seem that there is no check on the forces of racism, white supremacy, and authoritarianism. Even worse, as we have seen in recent weeks, Administration officials appeal to Christian scripture to support the legality and morality of their actions.

As a preacher of the Gospel, it remains my solemn duty to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ, to call for justice and peace, to remind myself and my fellow Christians of our duty to love God and neighbor, to welcome the stranger and the alien, to respect the dignity of every human being.

Over the last week, I and other members of the Unity and Relations Commission of the Wisconsin Council of Churches worked on a statement entitled “On the misuse of scripture to justify injustice.” It was approved by the Board of Directors and published yesterday. The full document is available here: On the Misuse of Scripture to Justify Injustice - Wisconsin Council of Churches - final.

I would also call attention to a personal statement I wrote on February 1, 2017, as the “muslim ban” was originally announced. It’s available :here.

In addition, the Wardens and Vestry of Grace Episcopal Church published this statement in 2017 Renewing Our Covenant

My own parish has also renewed our vows of covenant. It is not much but short of warfare, it is what churches do.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:23:35am

You don’t get Wendel Holmes when you don’t vote. You get more Taneys.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:24:18am

re: #417 William Lewis

These church leaders, when they show up at protests, should carry signs indicating who they are.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:24:54am

re: #417 William Lewis

The sad truth—what you posted is an extremely minority view held only by a declining number of churches.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:25:27am

re: #356 Belafon

So it looks like Alison Ettel’s (Permit Patty) products are being removed from stores. Companies are even taking the money they’ve earned from those products and donating it to Black Girl’s Code and the 8 year old.

Also, according to the diary, there’s a three week wait list for the Red Hen. Not sure what it was like before, but business isn’t hurting.

We have lots to overcome, a lot of which is our current government. But we have lots of good people on our side.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:28:25am

re: #414 lawhawk

I think I’ve been underestimating #3.

3) my vote doesn’t matter, so I’ll vote for Bernie or Jill as a “protest” vote

And I think Bernie and Jill, and their followers have overestimated it as full-throated support, when it was more like, ‘there’s not enough difference between Democrats and Republicans, so let’s push the Democrats to the left’. They ended up allowing the Republicans to push themselves so far to the right, I hope they’re all shocked to their senses.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:28:30am

re: #38 teleskiguy

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Tell me your most controversial movie opinion.

Avatar was better when it was titled Dances with Wolves.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:30:29am
re: #38 teleskiguy

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Tell me your most controversial movie opinion.

The original theatrical cut of Bladerunner remains the best version of the movie.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:31:16am

Conservative hypocrisy st the SCOTUS. I’m glad we have at least one justice calling it out.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:31:23am
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:31:34am

Or two.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:31:59am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

I hope McConnell lives to see his legacy flushed down the toilet. I don’t want him dead. I want him to witness a liberal court.

You’re fantasizing about “The Pelican Brief”, aren’t you? Alito, Gorsuch, Thomas…

(only after there’s a D in the white house of course)

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:32:09am

re: #423 Targetpractice

Avatar was better when it was titled Dances with Wolves.

Though Dances with Wolves didn’t have nearly the upbeat ending Avatar did.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:32:13am
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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:33:15am

re: #418 lawhawk

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Is the bigger problem that maybe 1 in 1000 in the US understand Weistein’s tweet?

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:34:20am

re: #423 Targetpractice

Avatar was better when it was titled Dances with Wolves.

Sorry, that one doesn’t qualify as “controversial”. It’s accepted science.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:35:57am

The scalding idiotic takes are coming thick and fast.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:36:08am

re: #429 Belafon

Though Dances with Wolves didn’t have nearly the upbeat ending >Avatar did.

To be fair, that’s because Cameron gave the audience the “feel good” ending it wanted. In reality, the likely result of his story is the government(s) of Earth respond by razing Pandora to the ground, then move in afterward to strip mine the planet of its mineral resources.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:36:13am

re: #429 Belafon

Though Dances with Wolves didn’t have nearly the upbeat ending >Avatar did.

That touch of reality is why it was a much better film. Never forget the final end of DwW is Wounded Knee and the shitholes that are the reservation system and the genocidal school system the children were forced to go to - sometimes at gunpoint and in shackles - so that their culture could be beaten and raped out of them.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:40:37am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:40:53am

My Congressperson is woke & BRINGING IT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:41:09am

re: #425 jaunte

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Conservative hypocrisy st the SCOTUS. I’m glad we have at least one justice calling it out.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:41:16am

Controversial film opinions?

That The Godfather should be considered the #1 greatest American film, not Citizen Kane.

I have nothing against Citizen Kane; I recognize that it is one of the best films of all time. I just think The Godfather is a better film.

Oh - and Gone With the Wind is melodramatic crapola.

And L.A. Confidential was robbed of a Best Picture Oscar by Titanic.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:42:19am

re: #433 jaunte

Sotomayor is a better Christian than any Trump supporting Evangelical. I hope he’s getting pushback for that horrid tweet. He doesn’t get to demonize Sotomayor because she’s against legalizing discrimination against gays and Muslims.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:42:26am

Hard to believe that three years ago this date…

When several historic events happen on the exact same day, it’s a sign: June 26 should be a national holiday.

On Friday the Supreme Court ruled that gay Americans had the right to marry in every state in the country. On the exact same date two years ago, the same court struck down the Defense of Marriage Act, allowing same-sex couples to access federal benefits. And when the Supreme Court ruled that same-sex sexual activity should be legal in every state in the Lawrence vs Texas ruling in 2003, it did so on … June 26.

time.com

Now it is a date which will live in infamy.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:43:02am

The far left, like the far right is filled with destructive, childish tantrum throwers.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:43:17am

re: #439 Dr Lizardo

Controversial film opinions?

That The Godfather should be considered the #1 greatest American film, not Citizen Kane.

I have nothing against Citizen Kane; I recognize that it is one of the best films of all time. I just think The Godfather is a better film.

Oh - and Gone With the Wind is melodramatic crapola.

And L.A. Confidential was robbed of a Best Picture Oscar by Titanic.

All four of these are simply true statements. So do you have anything controversial to opine?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:43:49am

re: #433 jaunte

The scalding idiotic takes are coming thick and fast.

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Yawn lecture a Catholic high school graduate some more will ya.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:43:53am

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:44:35am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:44:55am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly. SCOTUS is simply upholding Trump’s policies for strictly partisan reasons. This is a nightmare.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:44:59am

re: #442 jaunte

Isn’t it odd how Micah’s statement sounds and looks like a Trump one.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:45:16am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

2. I like BL but Fargo is my favorite Coen movie.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:46:12am

re: #443 William Lewis

All four of these are simply true statements. So do you have anything controversial to opine?

LOL

Hmmmm…………I’m highly suspicious that the late Tobe Hopper directed Poltergeist.

And Uwe Boll makes Ed Wood look like Akira Kurosawa.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:46:49am

re: #442 jaunte

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The far left, like the far right is filled with destructive, childish tantrum throwers.

Yeah Schumer never goes after Trump. As for Bernie, where’s he been? He signed to the Senate Democrats but he’s certainly not leading like someone who plans to run for POTUS should be or someone who should have been the nominee.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:47:12am

You want a controversial movie take? Here ya go:

Ishtar is one of the funniest movies I’ve ever seen.

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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:47:21am

The writing was always on the wall.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:47:37am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Scumbags.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:48:10am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

For me, personally, it’s a tie between Blazing Saddles and Life of Brian for #1.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:48:39am

re: #442 jaunte

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The far left, like the far right is filled with destructive, childish tantrum throwers.

Here’s the thing: That some Bros clenched their teeth and voted for Hillary doesn’t really balance the scales when they spent the previous 16 months treating her potential presidency as the greatest threat to America that the nation has ever known.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:48:54am
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Teukka  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:49:47am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:50:02am

re: #457 jaunte

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Italy picked a loser last time too.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:50:08am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I was a stranger and you took me in.” Who said that again? Evangelicals are all in with treating migrants like crap while claiming to be followers of Jesus. It’s amazing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:51:26am

Comedy opinion- Blazing Saddles is funniest but The Producers 1967 is my favorite Brooks film.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:52:35am

Every Bro who screamed that Hillary had been “given” the nomination or had “stolen” it, who called for pro-Bernie delegates to stage a “walk-out” at the convention, who argued that the whole thing was “rigged” and thus invalid, but then found it in himself to vote for her on Election Day? Sorry, you don’t get a pass for your noxious behavior because you did the right thing in the end.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:52:41am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

Comedy opinion- Blazing Saddles is funniest but The Producers 1967 is my favorite Brooks film.

Agreed: the original Producers is far, far better than the overblown musical version.

But right now we are living in an actual The Producers: US Election and it’s not funny at all.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:54:50am
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:55:29am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:55:53am

re: #464 jaunte

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That’s Erick!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:58:10am

Sotomayor has become my favorite SCOTUS member.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:58:33am

A Justice of the Supreme Court points out that in 3 cases that the Roberts Court has ruled upon in the past year alone, the Court has shown it will not tolerate mean things said about Christianity, but it will view as irrelevant such things said about Muslims.

And this is somehow proof that that Justice is biased against Christians, rather than that the Court’s majority are biased in favor of Christians.

FFS.

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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:58:38am

Oh geez.

This is absurdity.
The farce is so badly performed. I just can’t…

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:59:54am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

Peak Jim Carrey—Dumb and Dumber and Ace Ventura are hard to beat.
Caddyshack
Animal House

And straddling genres:

Deadpool
Snatch

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 9:59:59am

re: #468 Targetpractice

A Justice of the Supreme Court points out that in 3 cases that the Roberts Court has ruled upon in the past year alone, the Court has shown it will not tolerate mean things said about Christianity, but it will view as irrelevant such things said about Muslims.

And this is somehow proof that that Justice is biased against Christians, rather than that the Court’s majority are biased in favor of Christians.

FFS.

And they call us snowflakes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:00:23am

re: #470 Mike Lamb

Peak Jim Carrey—Dumb and Dumber and Ace Ventura are hard to beat.
Caddyshack
Animal House

And straddling genres:

Deadpool
Snatch

In Bruges.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:02:13am

because of course he would

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:02:26am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

Sotomayor has become my favorite SCOTUS member.

How’d we ever deserve her? Did we elect a good president or something? Maybe we can do that again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:02:50am

re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth

because of course he would

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Remember when conservatives claimed to be against frivolous lawsuits.

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:02:58am

I don’t know if anyone else saw this or posted it. This is the man who created TrumpHotels.org
Twitter blocked it. Because.

Here is his Tweet.
It’s perfect.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:03:03am

Something controversial about movies?

Jim Carrey has been better as a serious actor than as a comedic one. Or rather, that his more “adult” comedy of later years has held up better than the slapstick of his early career.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:03:25am

re: #474 wrenchwench

How’d we ever deserve her? Did we elect a good president or something? Maybe we can do that again.

Feels so long ago. Oh and the civility police didn’t say anything about the attacks on her pride in her Puerto Rican heritage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:03:34am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:04:18am

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just like Hoft and Trump Jr to make up shit. They’re going to get that woman attacked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:05:18am
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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:06:23am

re: #384 Renaissance_Man

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:06:41am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

Life of Brian isn’t even the best Monty Python; there’s no limit to how many times I can watch Holy Grail.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:07:46am

re: #481 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A soft slap on the wrist for KKKing.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:08:07am

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Talk about buried ledes. Dim Jim admits in the final paragraph that Huckaboo and her hubby did go back to their hotel room, but insists it was the in-laws (who are *gasp* liberals!) were followed and harassed. And he’s getting this from Laura Ingraham’s twitter feed, where she says that the “source” on all of this…is Mike Huckabee.

Sounds totally legit to me.///////

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:08:26am

re: #470 Mike Lamb

Peak Jim Carrey—Dumb and Dumber and Ace Ventura are hard to beat.
Caddyshack
Animal House

And straddling genres:

Deadpool
Snatch

I would have liked Snatch better if it had subtitles. I did not understand the foreign language they were speaking.

Deadpool was just too hip and sarcastic.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:08:54am

We now live in a country where the “president” can ban people entering into our country based on their religion/heritage. Let that sink in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:09:28am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:10:22am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

The Loved One.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:10:51am

re: #488 Backwoods_Sleuth

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17 months into an administration we were assured that America would weather because “Hey, America survived Bush, we can survive Trump!”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:11:09am

re: #427 jaunte

Or two.

They’re unfairly taking DJT’s words literally and seriously instead of hypothetically, figuratively, metaphorically and symbolically even though Trumpbots love that their man always speaks his mind directly and clearly.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:11:35am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)

5. Other (specify)

Hmmm… I’d say the original (Japanese) version of Shall We Dance.

Which was a serious movie wrapped inside a comedy.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:12:15am

re: #401 jaunte

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About one-fourth of Brown-Forman’s revenues are generated in Europe.

foodmanufacturing.com

Exports to Europe will dry up. Jack Daniels will increase price in US to make up for lost revenue. Jobs will be lost. Incompetence.

i’ll not subsidize this insanity
my cue to start drinking something else

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:12:36am

re: #487 Dr. Matt

We now live in a country where the “president” can ban people entering into our country based on their religion/heritage. Let that sink in.

Technically the President can ban Christians now. But the stupid RR never thinks about how actual laws can be used against them because they’re too busy kissing ass.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:14:55am

re: #490 Targetpractice

17 months into an administration we were assured that America would weather because Hey, America survived Bush, we can survive Trump! Hillary is more dangerous than Trump and is a warmonger who will destroy the world with war!!!!111!!!!”

Tweaked it.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:15:56am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

A Fish Called Wanda

Otto West: Don’t call me stupid.

Wanda: Oh, right! To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people! I’ve known sheep that could outwit you. I’ve worn dresses with higher IQs. But you think you’re an intellectual, don’t you, ape?

Otto West: Apes don’t read philosophy.

Wanda: Yes they do, Otto. They just don’t understand it. Now let me correct you on a couple of things, OK? Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not “Every man for himself.” And the London Underground is not a political movement.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:16:55am

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donny Junior and Dim Jim. Not the two best spokespersons for civility.

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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:17:02am
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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:18:39am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:19:26am

re: #499 JordanRules

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That’s exactly right.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:20:22am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

all of the above + several others

i just found out this weekend that mrs dm has never seen #4.
at least i can right that injustice

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:24:04am
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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:25:31am

re: #488 Backwoods_Sleuth

Muslim ban
Separating migrant parents and children, even babies
Planned internment camps
Puerto Rico & USVI left to suffer
Realigning America with dictators and spurning our allies
Black athletes forced into patriotic displays
Trade wars

Trump has been president 17 months.

congress, the press, and now the courts are actively aiding and abetting

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:25:33am

re: #482 dangerman

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Interesting Times  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:25:53am

re: #469 JordanRules

Oh geez.

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This is absurdity.
The farce is so badly performed. I just can’t…

Speaking of North Korea, wasn’t it added to one of the travel ban iterations as a durr hurr it’s not a moozlim ban!!1!! deflection?? If that’s still the case, how will Cheeto Benito’s new BFF come visit him? e_e

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:26:27am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Look at those people, being so uncivil.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:26:58am

Today’s decision traces back to “principled liberals” who don’t vote in midterms because Obama didn’t buy them a pony. Mitch McConnell and the vile GOP stole that SCOTUS seat from President Obama because Dem Voters didn’t faithfully and consistently come out to vote in midterms to continually elect Democrats in the House and Senate. They will never learn.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:28:05am

re: #507 Dr. Matt

Today’s decision traces back to “principled liberals” who don’t vote in midterms because Obama didn’t buy them a pony. Mitch McConnell and the vile GOP stole that SCOTUS seat from President Obama because Dem Voters didn’t faithfully and consistently come out to vote in midterms to continually elect Democrats in the House and Senate. They will never learn.

And then they arrogantly claim to be the real Democratic base.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:28:47am

re: #499 JordanRules

The pieces I’ve seen from Roberts indicated that he traded freedom for security. And we all know the quote.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:28:53am

This is better than a 20 blade disposable razor:

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:29:23am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

And then they arrogantly claim to be the real Democratic base.

And the rest of us are DINOs and GOPlite.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:29:24am

re: #498 JordanRules

We don’t need to treat migrants from Central America with cruelty to strengthen US border security. We need personal, high-level engagement from the White House to press Northern Triangle leaders for progress and support to make their home countries prosperous and secure.

i figured it out
im just a nobody schlub who’s been saying this all along

travel bans, walls, all this idiocy is treating symptoms not causes

morans

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:30:08am
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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:31:36am

re: #504 wrenchwench

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:31:45am

re: #513 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And the final act is where the GOP gets taken behind the woodshed for their support of the ban to the cries of “WE NEVER SUPPORTED TRUMP!!!” from Yertle and his fellow appeasers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:32:47am

re: #515 Targetpractice

And the final act is where the GOP gets taken behind the woodshed for their support of the ban to the cries of “WE NEVER SUPPORTED TRUMP!!!” from Yertle and his fellow appeasers.

That will happen and you know what, the media will gladly aid that narrative.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:32:48am

re: #510 Dr. Matt

This is better than a 20 blade disposable razor:

Combine those with AI and your phone will be able to detect edges and differentiate between objects in complex images.

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b.d.  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:32:51am

re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth

because of course he would

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Rand Paul is the biggest douchebag in the Senate, I kinda wish Marco Rubio was his neighbor.

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plansbandc  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:33:30am

re: #487 Dr. Matt

Also a country building interment camps, and a country whose President calls the press the enemy of the people.

And this is not even 2 years in.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:34:38am

re: #511 Dr. Matt

And the rest of us are DINOs and GOPlite.

Corporatist shills!!1!!11ty!

(My moonbat tag is apparently not working today.)

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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:35:05am

re: #505 Interesting Times

Speaking of North Korea, wasn’t it added to one of the travel ban iterations as a durr hurr it’s not a moozlim ban!!1!! deflection?? If that’s still the case, how will Cheeto Benito’s new BFF come visit him? e_e

They might have to meet secretly on the Tennessee trail.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:35:22am
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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:35:43am

re: #504 wrenchwench

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:35:51am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:36:01am

re: #522 The Vicious Babushka

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Lying bitch.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:36:39am

re: #489 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Loved One.

Oh, man. I had forgotten that great movie. How many others have I forgotten?

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:36:56am

re: #482 dangerman

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:37:02am
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:37:07am

re: #511 Dr. Matt

And the rest of us are DINOs and GOPlite.

And some of us are old, greedy Baby Boomers who ruined everything.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:37:13am

re: #525 HappyWarrior

Lying bitch.

I remember Inez from way back in 2013 when she wrote an article on Breitbart claiming that MLK was a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:39:04am

Obama was treated far worse and Obama unlike Trump actually respected his opposition as people. Trump meanwhile can’t go one day without a stupid insult and his supporters love it of course. What’s the matter Trump supporters? You cowards dish it out but can’t take it. Fuck your feelings and Trump.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:39:04am

re: #522 The Vicious Babushka

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Your old buddy, Inez! I had wondered (I really hadn’t wondered) what happened to her.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:39:13am

re: #529 BeachDem

And some of us are old, greedy Baby Boomers who ruined everything.

Don’t forget us whiny, needy Millenials who can’t be bothered to vote.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:40:08am

re: #529 BeachDem

And some of us are old, greedy Baby Boomers who ruined everything.

I hate that crap. Miller is actually closer to my age than I am to my brothers.’

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:41:13am

re: #533 Targetpractice

Don’t forget us whiny, needy Millenials who can’t be bothered to vote.

It’s all on individuals. Individuals who cried HRC wasn’t good enough or found Trump’s bs acceptable. They were men and women. They were young and old.

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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:42:08am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:42:14am
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:42:22am

re: #533 Targetpractice

Don’t forget us whiny, needy Millenials who can’t be bothered to vote.

How can we forget you when we’re constantly accused of ruining everything for you and then not listening to you?

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:42:55am

re: #522 The Vicious Babushka

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And one of those things was not like the other. Passing an old Republican healthcare plan isn’t quite the constitutional and humanitarian crisis that separating families at the border is. Or trying to remove health care coverage from people. Or polluting the environment. Or gutting the safety net.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:43:37am

re: #536 JordanRules

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I needed some good news.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:44:17am

re: #537 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Eek.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:44:17am

re: #513 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mitch McConnell criticizing the Muslim ban, then getting Gorsuch on the Court to uphold it, and then celebrating the decision is such a perfect metaphor for both the establishment GOP paving the way to Trumpism, and then ideologically embracing it fully.

— Isaac Chotiner

Did he actually criticize it originally? I wouldn’t doubt it. Such policy principle consistency.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:44:21am

re: #527 Renaissance_Man

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:45:11am

re: #538 BeachDem

How can we forget you when we’re constantly accused of ruining everything for you and then not listening to you?

Well we are a bunch of ungrateful little shits who would rather sit around getting stoned and bitching rather than doing anything.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:45:52am

re: #542 Sir John Barron

Did he actually criticize it originally? I wouldn’t doubt it. Such policy principle consistency.

A lot of them did when he talked about it as a candidate IIRC. TBH I can see why Republican voters hate their leaders, what I cannot see is why they value people like Trump, Stewart, & others who fuck then over just as much.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:45:53am

Double whammy—a robocall from Foghorn Leghorn Henry McMaster with the added bonus of the yam running his mouth at last night’s rally. Arrrggggh.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:46:11am

re: #537 Joe Bacon 🌹

I hope the nominee is at least from the South where such nostalgia might be understood and have a long history.

What really gets me are the Confederacy-lovers from states like Iowa and Minnesota.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:46:37am

re: #544 Targetpractice

Well we are a bunch of ungrateful little shits who would rather sit around getting stoned and bitching rather than doing anything.

I’m so glad you’re finally accepting responsibility for your life choices!
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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:47:01am

re: #544 Targetpractice

Well we are a bunch of ungrateful little shits who would rather sit around getting stoned and bitching rather than doing anything.

That IS doing something. I learned that in college.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:48:27am

re: #547 Sir John Barron

I hope the nominee is at least from the South where such nostalgia might be understood and have a long history.

What really gets me are the Confederacy-lovers from states like Iowa and Minnesota.

Looks like he’s from a NC family. Funnily enough his degree is in women’s studies but I bet you won’t see Ben Shapiro mocking that.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:49:53am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:51:38am

re: #551 Dr. Matt

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Between us and the Brits, we shot ourselves in the nuts big time over Russian misinformation. Glad that Ireland avoided that while legalizing choice and SSM.

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Old Liberal  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:54:01am

re: #280 Citizen K

This country is hopelessly racist, and the courts seem perfectly built to ensure it will remain so for a lifetime or more. The backslide cant be stopped now.

I’ve officially lost any and all hope this shit is ever going to be fixed.

Sometimes in the fight you just gotta put your arms down and take a breather. Nothing wrong with that. Usually means you’ve been fighting like hell.

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Old Liberal  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:12:11am

re: #410 Targetpractice

I understand and agree with the need to fight, but I can’t fault those for whom the fight seems futile at this point. They were told for the better part of a year that the fight would be “won” in the courts, that that string of victories in the early court battles would continue all the way to the steps of the Supreme Court and Trump’s efforts stymied or even halted entirely. Now we get to the SCOTUS and realize that the Court is willing to give Trump a pass if it can argue that doing so is the only option the Court has.

At that point, what is there left to do? We as citizens can argue that its to vote and seek a government better able to fight Trump and his influence, but what of those who aren’t citizens? How do they continue the fight when the best ally they might have had just shut the door in their face?

One of the most effective antidotes to depression is taking some action that makes you feel a sense of control. By volunteering to do door-knocking to Democratic voters this summer it has given me a greater sense of control and of solidarity. Call your county Democratic Party office and volunteer something. Physical action matters and it has anti-depressive effects. As a result of our canvassing, we fully expect to turn this county blue this Fall. They need your fingers, your feet, your hands. And it matters.

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austin_blue  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:00:51pm

re: #472 HappyWarrior

In Bruges.

Blackest comedy ever made.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:40:47pm

re: #257 rhuarc

Yeah, fuck you. Fuck yourself real good, ya hear?!?

*spit*

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:15:53pm

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

What Is The Greatest Comedy Ever: (vote)
1. The Big Lebowski
2. Blazing Saddles
3. Life of Brian
4. It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
5. Other (specify)

I’m going with Top Secret.


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