Bad News From the Supreme Court

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We’re down to the bare metal now. Today the Supreme Court struck down a California law, ruling that anti-choice “pregnancy centers” don’t have to inform people that they’re unlicensed, don’t have to have a medical professional on staff, and don’t have to inform women about publicly funded abortion services.

The Court has given the anti-choice far right a license to lie and deceive women with impunity. It’s a major blow against women’s rights.

But even worse, they upheld Donald Trump’s racist Muslim ban.

The President then called the ruling “a tremendous victory for the American People and the Constitution” and said he felt vindicated. “This ruling is also a moment of profound vindication following months of hysterical commentary from the media and Democratic politicians who refuse to do what it takes to secure our border and our country,” Trump said.

This is incredibly disheartening, and it’s why the Republican Party won’t oppose Trump, no matter how obviously unfit for office he is. He’s making all their dreams of a regressive America come true.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:50:06am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:50:41am

And for even more bad news from across the pond….

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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:51:28am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:52:11am

re: #1 jaunte

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Too bad they didn’t say that to your mother.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:52:53am

Fuck Trump. And Fuck anyone that supports trump or bernie or jill.

Is this civil enough for you guys?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:53:05am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

And for even more bad news from across the pond….

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CLed from downstairs but both of us shot ourselves in the nuts over Russian misinformation.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:53:46am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

This psycho and his bigot followers are going to run us into a Putin-sponsored economic depression.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:56:06am

re: #1 jaunte

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And thus years of assertions by “serious” conservatives that they’re not anti-immigration are proven to be totally meaningless.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:56:06am

re: #7 jaunte

This psycho and his bigot followers are going to run us into a Putin-sponsored economic depression.

Which will make things even more easier for Putin to exploit resentments. That’s what disturbs me about Trumpism and Brexit. This all suceeded in a period of economic prosperity. Imagine what will happen under economic depression.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:56:18am

re: #7 jaunte

This psycho and his bigot followers are going to run us into a Putin-sponsored economic depression.

…but we’ll have Jay-Zuss…

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:56:59am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:57:02am

re: #7 jaunte

This psycho and his bigot followers are going to run us into a Putin-sponsored economic depression.

….followed by a Democratic President who spends 8 years cleaning up his mess. THEN, America will elect another GOP president just because….

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:58:15am

re: #1 jaunte

He just has such a subtle grasp of international conditions and policy specifics.

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unproven innocence  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:58:20am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

….followed by a Democratic President who spends 8 years cleaning up his mess. THEN, America will elect another GOP president just because….

But 8 years won’t be enough. Not even close.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:59:08am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

….followed by a Democratic President who spends 8 years cleaning up his mess. THEN, America will elect another GOP president just because….

We have the same fear.

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 10:59:11am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

….followed by a Democratic President who spends 8 years cleaning up his mess. THEN, America will elect another GOP president just because….

IF it can even begin to be cleaned up, that is. Even if the next SCOTUS appointment were made by a D, there’s still a good chance that the vast majority of things that make us different from 1955, if not 1915, socially; are locked behind a door labelled “Constitutional amendment required” unless we expand the court.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:01:26am

We had a serious chance to really have the most progressive minded court in years when Scalia died. McConnell as malicious as he is was and is far from stupid. He saw that and blocked the Garland appointment and would have held a HRC appointment hostage too. I hope all those smug libertarians who loved the Gorsuch pick are happy right now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:03:37am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

We had a serious chance to really have the most progressive minded court in years when Scalia died. McConnell as malicious as he is was and is far from stupid. He saw that and blocked the Garland appointment and would have held a HRC appointment hostage too. I hope all those smug libertarians who loved the Gorsuch pick are happy right now.

And don’t forget Milo, SMOTI and his little pal Lucien and all the Log Cabin fools who see nothing wrong when Christians discriminate against them…

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:04:34am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:05:30am

re: #18 Joe Bacon 🌹

And don’t forget Milo, SMOTI and his little pal Lucien and all the Log Cabin fools who see nothing wrong when Christians discriminate against them…

For sure.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:06:22am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Which will make things even more easier for Putin to exploit resentments. That’s what disturbs me about Trumpism and Brexit. This all suceeded in a period of economic prosperity. Imagine what will happen under economic depression.

I think the conditions aren’t that dissimilar. Under economic depression, people are angry, resentful, hopeless, and ready to latch on to any dictator that offers them a chance to validate their anger.

That’s exactly the condition that FOX created in Trumpers over the last 8-12 years. There’s no difference. For Trumpers, they may as well have been living in the Dust Bowl and undergoing systematic disappearance and torture at the hands of an oppressive regime. For them, their kids and friends were under constant threat of death or worse. Some were already being killed by the Democrats. Their poverty and despair was hopeless and never-ending. Their freedoms were completely eradicated and they lived in constant fear of brownshirts kicking in their doors.

The fact that none of this was actually true makes no difference. Facts and reality do not matter. In their world, all of this was true, and so they behaved just as people do when things really are that bad.

So no, I don’t think things will be worse when there is real economic depression. To those acting out of resentment, they were already there anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:07:07am

re: #19 jaunte

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Kurt’s not wrong and you know the thing is the BBs still haven’t learned. My brothers still complain Bernie was robbed. I love them but goddamn if they had even a clue about the shady shit the Sanders campaign did or the fact that Mueller’s investigation has actually gotten pleas and indictments. Bernie never wanted to be the nominee of the Democratic Party until he got rewarded by Clinton hatred.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:07:29am

re: #21 Renaissance_Man

I think the conditions aren’t that dissimilar. Under economic depression, people are angry, resentful, hopeless, and ready to latch on to any dictator that offers them a chance to validate their anger.

That’s exactly the condition that FOX created in Trumpers over the last 8-12 years. There’s no difference. For Trumpers, they may as well have been living in the Dust Bowl and undergoing systematic disappearance and torture at the hands of an oppressive regime. For them, their kids and friends were under constant threat of death or worse. Some were already being killed by the Democrats. Their poverty and despair was hopeless and never-ending. Their freedoms were completely eradicated and they lived in constant fear of brownshirts kicking in their doors.

The fact that none of this was actually true makes no difference. Facts and reality do not matter. In their world, all of this was true, and so they behaved just as people do when things really are that bad.

So no, I don’t think things will be worse when there is real economic depression. To those acting out of resentment, they were already there anyway.

That’s a fair point. Thanks.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:08:32am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

How was Bernie “robbed”? Because Hillary didn’t withdraw and hand the nomination to him?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:09:15am

re: #24 Winston_Smith

How was Bernie “robbed”? Because Hillary didn’t withdraw and hand the nomination to him?

The answer is in all those Russian forgeries that Wilkileaks released!

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TedStriker  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:10:34am

re: #24 Winston_Smith

How was Bernie “robbed”? Because Hillary didn’t withdraw and hand the nomination to him?

To the hardcore BernieBros, exactly yes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:10:46am

The silver lining to the “crisis pregnancy centers” decision is that, if Kennedy applies it consistently, abortion doctors have a first amendment claim to refuse to make the false anti-abortion statements that red states require.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:10:51am

re: #24 Winston_Smith

How was Bernie “robbed”? Because Hillary didn’t withdraw and hand the nomination to him?

“He was robbed because there were people in the Democratic leadership that supported Hillary, as the leaked emails showed.”

Quotes because it’s not what I think.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:11:11am

re: #24 Winston_Smith

How was Bernie “robbed”? Because Hillary didn’t withdraw and hand the nomination to him?

“Members of the DNC sent emails to one another! About politics!!”

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:11:14am

Trump made it explicitly clear all through the campaign that he wanted a white Christian only immigration policy.

He called it a Muslim ban. He didn’t want Mexicans and other nonwhites coming in. He called them animals and rapists and murderers.

This is all on the public record.

This Court - the Roberts court - decided that the evidence didn’t matter.

They ruled to affirm Trump’s muslim ban anyways.

So today Trump is emboldened to again explicitly state he wants a white Christian only immigration policy. That’s what he stands for. It’s a white nationalist policy. It’s a white supremacist policy, and it is abhorrent, and leads the nation to a very dark place.

We’ve been down this road before in history. The Nazis did the same exact thing - swap out Muslim for Jew and Mexicans for Jews, and you get the same thing.

In fact, the same American Nazi Party that Trump lifted his lingo from backed refugee bans for Jews trying to escape the Nazis. They’re now doing the same with refugees from elsewhere in the world trying to flee violence.

Trump wants to end legal immigration as we know it, even though it’s powered the US economy for decades.

Trump’s going to make the sun set on American hegemony through both domestic/foreign policy choices, and I again ask why would he do that when all of his policies do not favor America, but rather those who aren’t in trade wars with the US and who benefit from Trump’s leadership vacuum internationally.

Russia. It always leads back there.

Russia backs BREXIT and Trump’s policies, because they inure benefit to Russia, and Russia doesn’t care that we’re shooting ourselves in the feet (or condemning minorities to a meager existence, with deprived rights, etc.).

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:11:16am
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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:12:12am

re: #14 unproven innocence

But 8 years won’t be enough. Not even close.

That’s exactly the point.

After 8 years, the Dem president will be trashed as ‘not fixing things fast enough’, and the electorate will decide it’s the perfect time to give the GOP a chance again, because Dems will have just proven that they deserve to be treated as wholly illegitimate by default.

And the eternal conservatopia will roll on, unabated and it’l be all the Dems fault, because everything is always the Dems fault somehow.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:12:20am

re: #28 Belafon

“He was robbed because there were people in the Democratic leadership that supported Hillary, as the leaked emails showed.”

Quotes because it’s not what I think.

Yeah, imagine that….Democratic Party leadership supporting the actual Democrat in the Primaries. I need to find my shocked face….

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:12:38am

re: #28 Belafon

“He was robbed because there were people in the Democratic leadership that supported Hillary, as the leaked emails showed.”

Quotes because it’s not what I think.

“The DNC also went ahead with closed primaries in some states just like every past primary election season when open primaries where non-Dems could vote would have ensured the Dems were open, or something.”

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:12:39am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:13:22am

re: #24 Winston_Smith

How was Bernie “robbed”? Because Hillary didn’t withdraw and hand the nomination to him?

I know. It’s absurd. She actually beat him by a bigger margin than Obama beat her 10 years ago. The secret that the Bros won’t tell you is that Bernie not only couldn’t do well with PoC that you need to win a Dem nomination, it’s that his strategy absolutely sucked.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:13:34am

re: #33 Dr. Matt

Yeah, imagine that….Democratic Party leadership supporting the actual Democrat in the Primaries. I need to find my shocked face….

Yeah but they don’t want to ehar that.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:13:55am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:14:12am

re: #35 jaunte

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It has everything to do with this case. It involves a President using his power to deny people of a certain orgin rights.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:14:24am

re: #38 jaunte

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ICEstapo.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:14:57am

re: #34 Sir John Barron

“The DNC also went ahead with closed primaries in some states just like every past primary election season when open primaries where non-Dems could vote would have ensured the Dems were open, or something.”

Bernie whined about the closed primaries but notice that he didn’t say a damn about the caucuses.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:15:35am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

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Ryan should back the fuck off considering what he has in his caucus.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:18:19am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Ryan should back the fuck off considering what he has in his caucus.

Ryan is in total agreement with Steve KKKing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:19:12am

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ryan is in total agreement with Steve KKKing.

Yeah but make him say it. Make him own that racist son of a bitch. Run ads likening every last Republican in the House to Steve King.

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Ferdinand  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:19:20am

Heh. Looks like Rod Dreher has permanently banned me, after only publishing about half of my dozen or so comments over the past year on his site. I long since deleted my bookmark, but it’s been the last right wing blog I’ve still checked at times. I think I’ll content myself with the quotes I read here, at Balloon Juice, etc.
There are still a lot of liberals more patient than I who post good comments on his site. I particularly like this comment, from today:
Dux Bellorum, Austinopole says:
June 26, 2018 at 1:05 pm
I think that your involvement in the situation does not allow you to see the whole picture, as well as your natural sympathies for the people involved.
This is really odd, because you can accurately perceive how apartheid actually works: it does not use legal power to stop people from helping the oppressed class, it just clarifies what will happen to the oppressed class who try to resist. Compliance with the standards of apartheid happens entirely by volition. To use a particularly resonant example, there’s no mass population of lunch counter proprietors anxious to serve sandwiches to black people, but held back by the law. All those lunch counter owners, clothing stores, book stores, etc used the law to *express* what they believed and clarify what would happen to a black person who dared step out of line.
This is the real danger of apartheid, that it arises entirely from volition, and why public accommodation laws are required. Public accommodation laws are what prevent groups of people with a lot of power, whether a minority who have a lot of money, or a majority with a lot of votes, from really screwing everyone else.
And everyone who actually is a religious minority understands this. Every one of us whose religious practice causes others no harm is protected by the original RFRA. You talk about this bill a lot, but seemingly dishonestly. The original bill came up to protect a Native American who wanted to use peyote for his religious ceremonies but was prosecuted for buying a drug. The law gave him an exception. This is similar to schools giving Sikh boys an exception to beard and long hair policies, Jewish boys the right to wear kippot, etc. These religious accommodations cause nobody any harm and are at best mild quirks. Maybe such a law being enforced would have required the public schools not to punish me for wanting to go to Hindu holidays. Who knows?
But what you want in an RFRA is a law that permits you to do harm to others in the name of your religion. That’s not at all what the original bill did, nor is it morally defensible in any principled way. What it seems you want is for any one individual or business to be able to do whatever it wants to do to whomever it wants to do in the name of religion, and that’s nuts.
The other thing that’s nuts to me is that you seem to believe that groups that do these horrible things should still be given tax exemption and access to resources, and suffer no public reputation consequence for their behaviour, as if joining hands to create voluntary apartheid for gay people, lower caste people, people in mixed marriages (Jewish/gentile), etc. Is morally indistinguishable from wearing a turban or a Magen David on a chain. That’s also nuts to me.
You can see over and over again how horrible it is when people you like are denied accommodation, but seemingly not see how horrible it is when people to whom you are not sympathetic are denied it. And you seem to think that it’s okay for your tribe to have their own special colleges, clubs, etc. AND have unrestricted access to the common resources. I don’t get that at all.
I am a practicing Hindu who prays and meditates for two hours every day. I don’t for the life of me think that my temple should get special privileges or that I should be able to demand that a university adhere to my particular quirks. If you folks want your tax deductible fortresses where you can be horrible to others, why shouldn’t we all demand that you run there?
Your law of merited impossibility is the kind of thing that betrays your perspective, while to the rest of us, what we see is, “Nothing will happen to you that hasn’t been happening to the rest of us, but at least nobody will have special rights.”
$0.02,
DBA

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:21:01am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

Speaker Ryan calls for Rep. Waters to apologize for her comments

I hope Waters tells him to go fuck himself - in so many words, of course.

Although I’d be fine with those exact words.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:22:13am

re: #46 makeitstop

I hope Waters tells him to go fuck himself - in so many words, of course.

Although I’d be fine with those exact words.

I hope she reminds him who his third in command is. I don’t care that Scalise was shot. It doesn’t change the fact that he’s a David Duke fanboy.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:22:35am
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Jack Burton  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:23:07am

re: #33 Dr. Matt

Yeah, imagine that….Democratic Party leadership supporting the actual Democrat in the Primaries. I need to find my shocked face….

I get the impression that many BernieBros™, either due to their young age or past apathy that they had the luxury of having under Obama, started paying attention to presidential and party politics only after Bernie was running. They don’t know how anything works, probably slept through any kind of civics class (assuming they still have that in HS), and think because it doesn’t work they way they think it should, that it *has* to be a conspiracy or designed to screw them over. There is an overlap with the Alex Jones crowd.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:24:36am

From yesterday in case anyone missed it….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:25:40am

re: #49 Jack Burton

I get the impression that many BernieBros™, either due to their young age or past apathy that they had the luxury of having under Obama, started paying attention to presidential and party politics only after Bernie was running. They don’t know how anything works, probably slept through any kind of civics class (assuming they still have that in HS), and think because it doesn’t work they way they think it should, that it *has* to be a conspiracy or designed to screw them over. There is an overlap with the Alex Jones crowd.

That unfortunately sounds like my brothers.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:28:50am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:28:52am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Strange guy, more than a little removed from reality. Which his movies don’t fully reflect.

David Lynch

The “Twin Peaks” and “Blue Velvet” director had also said in the interview that he had supported Bernie Sanders but may have voted for a Libertarian candidate. He has focused more on spreading the word about the benefits of meditation than on becoming involved in politics.

Variety

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:29:13am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:30:27am

re: #53 Unshaken Defiance

Strange guy, more than a little removed from reality. Which his movies don’t fully reflect.

Variety

I’m going to vote for a socialist in the primary and then vote for a guy who finds the very idea of social security, socialist!

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:32:10am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:32:13am

I will bet you good money that those Trump supporters in SC yesterday including Trump himself had no idea who David Lynch was.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:32:58am

re: #56 jaunte

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And I don’t think concern trolling legitimate fears helps anyone either dumbass. They don’t need to be asking for people’s citizenship.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:33:11am

And this shit is why Trump and the GOP will never be held accountable…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:35:31am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

yeah but Waters should def apologize.

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unproven innocence  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:35:39am

Book recommendation, but don’t take my word for it. From wikipedia:

U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower read The True Believer in 1952, gave copies to friends, and recommended it to others. In 1956, Look magazine ran an article calling Hoffer “Ike’s Favorite Author”.[17]

Hillary Clinton, in her 2017 book What Happened, about her loss to Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential race, cited The True Believer as a book she recommended to her staff during the campaign.[21]

The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements is a 1951 social psychology book by American writer Eric Hoffer, in which the author discusses the psychological causes of fanaticism.

One unobvious idea, contrary to most folks “common sense”, that Hoffer put forth was that the most likely time(s) for fanaticism to get a foothold and thrive is not when conditions are at their worst, but rather, when socio-economic conditions are generally improving, altho unevenly.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:36:02am

re: #59 Citizen K

Know what, Jeremy? Trump taking children is a crime against humanity, and there are a number of his followers who are ok with it. And if a person thinks that not getting to eat dinner is comparable, we never had them.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:37:06am

re: #32 Citizen K

That’s exactly the point.

After 8 years, the Dem president will be trashed as ‘not fixing things fast enough’, and the electorate will decide it’s the perfect time to give the GOP a chance again, because Dems will have just proven that they deserve to be treated as wholly illegitimate by default.

And the eternal conservatopia will roll on, unabated and it’l be all the Dems fault, because everything is always the Dems fault somehow.

it has been this way for a while:

watergate
pause (dem)
iran contra
pause
iraq, plame, libby, torture
pause
russiagate et al

when will they ever learn?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:37:15am

re: #59 Citizen K

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And this shit is why Trump and the GOP will never be held accountable…

You literally made a crack about the size of his dick at a debate. But eyah Marco, you’re the one to lecture on unfair attacks. Please just resign your seat already, you useless moron. All your political moves are done deliberately done to appease the GOP establishment which for some dumb reasons thinks you’re going to be their Obama. Got news for you pal but you’re too dumb to be Obama. Obama is actually intelligent. You’re just a hand puppet. Oh and btw Marco, any comments regarding Trump calling your colleague Senator Warner a drunk or do you just save the fake outrage for when Trump gets attacked.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:37:33am

Soccer moms are retweeting Tommy Robinson and Jim Hoft. The horse is already out of the stable.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:38:28am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:38:34am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Ryan should back the fuck off considering what he has in his caucus.

“You libtards should stop picking on every King/Trump KKK tweet and make your leaders apologize for offending us.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:38:54am

If the media had any balls, they’d tell Trump supporters the truth that we as Obama supporters were told that we supported a terrorist Muslim, that we just wanted free stuff, did the media have the same scrunity or sympathy towards us? Nope but god forbid the poor widdle Trumpers who by the way media are against your very right to exist freely in our society get their feelings hurt.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:39:30am

re: #66 jaunte

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Worked for you becoming President. And you again show you have no understanding of ohw the judiciary works.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:40:12am
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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:40:32am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

If the media had any balls, they’d tell Trump supporters the truth that we as Obama supporters were told that we supported a terrorist Muslim, that we just wanted free stuff, did the media have the same scrunity or sympathy towards us? Nope but god forbid the poor widdle Trumpers who by the way media are against your very right to exist freely in our society get their feelings hurt.

Instead they’re treated as ‘real America’, the only true voters, the only real valid voters. Anything else is simply too fake, too ‘identity politics’ to bother with. We’re not real to them, we only exist as adversary and villain.

And the erasure is almost complete.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:40:54am

re: #56 jaunte

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:41:22am

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

Something about frogs in boiling water..

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:42:12am

I’m sorry guys. I’m just really pissed off at the constant double standards. We’re told by Romney “You just want free stuff.” Trump accuses our leaders of literally favoring gang members. But one business owner in small town Virginia refuses to serve Trump’s liar of a press secretary and it’s time that we consider the poor Trumpers feelings. Pardon me but that’s bullshit. The Trumpers don’t care about those children who may never see their parents again but we’re supposed to care because a public official may actually have to deal with confrontation?!?!? This after the Tea Party assholes actually talked about 2nd amendment solutions ot Health Care Reform. I try to be a reasonable man but fuck the right in this country. I hope they implode and every last Republican loses their re-election this fall.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:43:11am

re: #71 Citizen K

Instead they’re treated as ‘real America’, the only true voters, the only real valid voters. Anything else is simply too fake, too ‘identity politics’ to bother with. We’re not real to them, we only exist as adversary and villain.

And the erasure is almost complete.

Yep. A bunch of feckless cowards too cowardly to acknowledge that the times have changed get treated like victims while the people they want to treat terribly get treated as criminal invaders or footnotes.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:44:22am

re: #29 Sir John Barron

“Members of the DNC sent emails to one another! About politics!!”

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And they never ever mention this:

Senator Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign is suspended from accessing the voter database. The Democratic National Committee made the move after they learned one of Sanders’ staffers accessed Hillary Clinton’s confidential voter information. According to Sanders’ spokesperson, Michael Briggs, that staffer was immediately fired.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:44:29am

Hard truth for Trump supporters. Your vision of America has always been a lie. The America you grew up in was more socialist than it is now. You may hate us liberals but our elected officials unlike your precious Trump would never sell you old to Putin and a Big Mac to be named later.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:44:30am
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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:44:41am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Yep. A bunch of feckless cowards too cowardly to acknowledge that the times have changed get treated like victims while the people they want to treat terribly get treated as criminal invaders or footnotes.

‘Cowardice’ implies that they’re doing it out of fear. This is pure malice and complicity. They want this for spite and power. They want this because they can. And so far, they have, with almost zero blowback.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:45:21am

Sorry about longchain twitter post

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:46:03am

re: #78 jaunte

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He won because of indifference. Rubio continues to be the biggest coward in the US Senate. He stands for nothing but his own ambition. But it’s HRC that was career above all else and not this fake scumbag who used the deaths at the Pulse Nightclub to rationalize why he deserved a second term even though he continues to be a homophobic tool.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:46:14am

Sitting here waiting for my car to be done, watching CTV news which reported that voting machines were hacked days before the 2016 election by Russia.

This is from a leaked report.

I have seen nothing about that report or this story in US news.

Anyone?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:46:26am

re: #79 Citizen K

‘Cowardice’ implies that they’re doing it out of fear. This is pure malice and complicity. They want this for spite and power. They want this because they can. And so far, they have, with almost zero blowback.

True that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:46:45am

re: #82 MsJ

Sitting here waiting for my car to be done, watching CTV news which reported that voting machines were hacked days before the 2016 election by Russia.

This is from a leaked report.

I have seen nothing about that report or this story in US news.

Anyone?

Nothing that I know of.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:47:21am
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VegasGolfer  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:47:25am

that idiot jeremy peters said nothing when trump called the media the enemy of the people.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:47:49am

Now, more than ever. Leave work for the day.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:48:34am
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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:48:43am

re: #82 MsJ

Sitting here waiting for my car to be done, watching CTV news which reported that voting machines were hacked days before the 2016 election by Russia.

This is from a leaked report.

I have seen nothing about that report or this story in US news.

Anyone?

What is CTV?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:49:08am

re: #86 VegasGolfer

that idiot jeremy peters said nothing when trump called the media the enemy of the people.

Very few of them did but somehow we’re the impolite ones. The first amendment is worth saving even cowards like that who do nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:49:27am

re: #89 Belafon

What is CTV?

Canada TV I think.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:49:38am

re: #82 MsJ

Sitting here waiting for my car to be done, watching CTV news which reported that voting machines were hacked days before the 2016 election by Russia.

This is from a leaked report.

I have seen nothing about that report or this story in US news.

Anyone?

US news will only cover that if they can balance it with a story about voting machines being hacked by Democrats.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:49:49am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I’m going to vote for a socialist in the primary and then vote for a guy who finds the very idea of social security, socialist!

Well, remember, he’s not sure who he voted for in the general. Uh huh.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:51:19am

Why is it so quiet out there downtown? Here is why

More than two dozen immigration activists were arrested as they gathered outside a federal court building in downtown Los Angeles Tuesday morning during a planned visit by U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Police were heard declaring an unlawful assembly after a line of demonstrators, among them several clergy members, was seen linking arms across Spring Street outside the U.S. Attorney’s Office building, blocking the road to traffic as they chanted “Kids belong at home, not in cages.”

Many of the protestors wore children’s onesies pinned to their chests to represent the immigrant youth separated from their parents by the Trump administration. Some also wore blue arm bands, indicating they intended to be taken into custody for their actions.

So far, 25 people have been arrested for failure to disperse, said Los Angeles Police Officer Jeff Lee. People were seen being taken away in handcuffs around 10 a.m., hours after they had assembled.

ktla.com

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Interesting Times  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:53:10am

re: #80 jaunte

Sorry about longchain twitter post

You can avoid it by adding ?noquote to the end of the Twitter URL, like this:

h tt ps :// twitter .com/fawfulfan/status/1011680978870382592?noquote

In actual use:

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:54:16am

re: #56 jaunte

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Probably inconsequential, but I notice when people argue against comparisons to “The Handmaids Tale,” they only ever mention the “show” (same as the bullshit with Michelle Wolfe talking about Aunt Lydia.)

Have none of these geniuses ever read the book?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:55:04am

re: #86 VegasGolfer

that idiot jeremy peters said nothing when trump called the media the enemy of the people.

To do so would have just made Trumpers mad.

//

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:55:45am

re: #95 Interesting Times

You can avoid it by adding ?noquote to the end of the Twitter URL, like this:

h tt ps :// twitter .com/fawfulfan/status/1011680978870382592?noquote

In actual use:

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Thanks. I didn’t want to ask a third time, but I knew there was a way.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:56:26am

re: #93 BeachDem

Well, remember, he’s not sure who he voted for in the general. Uh huh.

That sounds like textbook privilege to me right there.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:57:20am

The thing guys is we deluded ourselves about it can’t happen here. And I admit I’m guilty of thinking we were somehow immune. Whether it was the stability of the past 200 years or maybe even arrogance.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:59:08am

Fuck Jeremy Peters and the New York Times.

Again with the Dems/liberals need not react to the ugly Republican/conservative very public nastiness, it just helps them.

Tell you what Jeremy. I don’t think we can help anymore than you and your complicit newspaper/web site do by giving cover.

Yes, you are excusing them…no matter what the left does. You understand they do it, and you chide the opposite for mentioning it. So what purpose does that serve? Nothing but giving them a signal that they will always be covered.

Where did they touch you and the Times? It’s like you guys are drugged and can’t think straight. And Trump and the right mocks you. You guys are masochists and love the beatings.

Sad. Pathetic.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 11:59:14am
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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:00:25pm

Driving by, dropping this off.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:02:00pm

re: #73 Sir John Barron

Something about frogs in boiling water..

Mark Sumner:

The ‘civility’ debate isn’t about language, it’s about power

It’s not simply that while the right punches, the press plays stenographer, and when the left fights back, they declare fighting out of bounds. It’s not even about the incredible spectacle of journalists who have personally been on the receiving end of both spit and thrown bottles while Trump rants about ending “political correctness,” suddenly chiding the left for refusing to be good little frogs while the water boils.

It’s that the demand being made for “civility” isn’t about language at all. It’s about throwing a ring of protection around the powerful. It’s about pretending that people whose actions wreck millions of lives on a whim, are cocooned from the consequences of their actions, not just because they have money, and connections, and resources, but because their power puts them on a different plane.

dailykos.com

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VegasGolfer  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:04:25pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:05:27pm

re: #104 BeachDem

re: #73 Sir John Barron

Mark Sumner:

The ‘civility’ debate isn’t about language, it’s about power

It’s not simply that while the right punches, the press plays stenographer, and when the left fights back, they declare fighting out of bounds. It’s not even about the incredible spectacle of journalists who have personally been on the receiving end of both spit and thrown bottles while Trump rants about ending “political correctness,” suddenly chiding the left for refusing to be good little frogs while the water boils.

It’s that the demand being made for “civility” isn’t about language at all. It’s about throwing a ring of protection around the powerful. It’s about pretending that people whose actions wreck millions of lives on a whim, are cocooned from the consequences of their actions, not just because they have money, and connections, and resources, but because their power puts them on a different plane.

dailykos.com

Tweet this to Peters. I hope he gets sent this tweet a million times.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:10:54pm

SO tired of this shit.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:14:23pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

That’s what 40 years of garden parties can do to a person.

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nowherenorth2  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:14:31pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

The sad fact is that it is happen in St. Lawrence county of NY already. On my way to work there was a border patrol stop asking where I was born and what country I am a citizen of.

Cnn…bothsidism at it’s best

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:14:52pm

What. In. The. Actual. Everlasting. Fuck?

EMIN - Got Me Good (Official Video)

Russia laughs at us, via their state-owned ‘pop star.’

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:16:15pm

2016 Flashback from the lunatic fringe GOP mainstream:

Tony Perkins: Musicals are nothing but ‘homosexual propaganda’

Tony Perkins, the president of the ever-sinister Family Research Council, is very angry at US Ambassador Samantha Power for taking some of her colleagues to see a production of the lesbian-themed Fun Home, a Tony-winning Broadway musical.
“The State Department already has an official LGBT envoy — it doesn’t need two! Tell that to Samantha Power, the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N., who is determined to join the administration’s goodwill tour for homosexuality. Like Secretary John Kerry, who seems oblivious to any problem not preceded by the letters L-G-B-T, Power is adding to the president’s embarrassing diplomatic legacy by trying to export Obama’s sexual extremism to a world preoccupied by far more important issues.

On Tuesday, Power, who has the ear of some of the international community’s most important leaders, decided to spend her influence persuading them on the need to celebrate homosexuality. This week, she hosted 15 U.N. Ambassadors at a gay Broadway musical called ‘Fun Home. Representatives from Russia, Namibia, and other more culturally conservative countries sat through New York’s latest sexual propaganda, followed by a personal thank you from Power herself. “Thank you,” she told the cast, ‘for bringing all of this home in a way that resolutions and statements never can.’”(emphasis added)

The right’s affinity for Russia is not based entirely on shady finance and helpful propaganda.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:17:26pm

I’d substitute stupid or idiotic for tough, and suggest Veep start his reading with something like this:

Time Line of US-Latin American Relations
faculty.chass.ncsu.edu

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:17:52pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

2016 Flashback from the lunatic fringe GOP mainstream:

Tony Perkins: Musicals are nothing but ‘homosexual propaganda’

The right’s affinity for Russia is not based entirely on shady finance and helpful propaganda.

Perkins was using David Duke’s mailing list long before Trump was stealing his speeches.

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electrotek  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:18:25pm

LOL @ this FB comment left on my post:

Republican Congressional leaders didn’t call for past administrations staffs to be harassed in public. And let’s not forget how much violence has been directed at Trump and his supporters over the past 3 years.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:18:26pm

re: #112 BeachDem

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I’d substitute stupid or idiotic for tough, and suggest Veep start his reading with something like this:

Time Line of US-Latin American Relations
faculty.chass.ncsu.edu

Oh really Mike.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:18:45pm

re: #112 BeachDem

Tough words from VP Pence in Brasilia today: He told Latin American nations: “Just as the United States Respects Your Borders and Your Sovereignty, We Insist That You Respect Ours.”

— Vivian Salama

OMFG

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:19:42pm

re: #114 electrotek

LOL @ this FB comment left on my post:

Three words- Second Amendment Solutions. Tired of these assholes crying foul after they did everything to delegitimize Obama.

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b.d.  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:19:56pm

re: #114 electrotek

LOL @ this FB comment left on my post:

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:20:23pm

re: #114 electrotek

LOL @ this FB comment left on my post:

Yeah, how much violence has been directed at them. And let’s talk about Trump and his comment about paying the legal bills for someone that beats up a protester.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:20:38pm

re: #114 electrotek

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:20:46pm

re: #114 electrotek

LOL @ this FB comment left on my post:

Such victims

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:20:53pm

re: #112 BeachDem

[Tough words from VP Pence in Brasilia today: He told Latin American nations: “Just as the United States Respects Your Borders and Your Sovereignty, We Insist That You Respect Ours.”]

I’d substitute stupid or idiotic for tough, and suggest Veep start his reading with something like this:

Time Line of US-Latin American Relations
faculty.chass.ncsu.edu

We insist they do to us what we have done to them? Don’t get my hopes up. That means an assassination any day now.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:20:55pm

re: #49 Jack Burton

I get the impression that many BernieBros™, either due to their young age or past apathy that they had the luxury of having under Obama, started paying attention to presidential and party politics only after Bernie was running. They don’t know how anything works, probably slept through any kind of civics class (assuming they still have that in HS), and think because it doesn’t work they way they think it should, that it *has* to be a conspiracy or designed to screw them over. There is an overlap with the Alex Jones crowd.

Susan Sarandon (yeah, that bitch again) had particular reason TO KNOW BETTER, GODDAMIT!! She was the biggest Naderite in 2000; “Gore’s not liberal enough, both parties are the same, vote Ralph to send a message to the Dems, bring on the revolution, etc etc etc”.

Michael Moore at least learned his lesson from that experience; he’ll never make the same mistake again. Susan didn’t learn a damn thing. (unless, I dunno, maybe she’s a closet fascist pretending to be liberal because sub-rosa ratfucking is more effective than openly espousing a desire for the results she ends up contributing to).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:21:57pm

re: #112 BeachDem

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I’d substitute stupid or idiotic for tough, and suggest Veep start his reading with something like this:

Time Line of US-Latin American Relations
faculty.chass.ncsu.edu

Let, say,Venezuela, import an Iranian Revolutionary Guard brigade to help with internal security and see what happens.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:24:48pm

Trump supporters and enablers crying victim takes some nerve while we received a decision today that POTUS can bam whoever he wants. Maybe we should ban Evsngelicals.///

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:25:22pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Oh really Mike.

And what, exactly, are these Latin and South American countries supposed to do? Prevent their citizens from leaving their country? NK and Cuba might do that. But I doubt it’s any other country’s idea of freedom.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:26:11pm
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electrotek  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:26:55pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

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So much for “Je Suis Charlie”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:27:38pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I’m sorry but stop lecturing us and actually turn your attention on douchebags like this. But I guess Milo is just “outspoken” and a “firebrand.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:28:55pm

re: #128 electrotek

So much for “Je Suis Charlie”.

That’s only if they mock Muslims silly. Mocking Milo’s brothers in stupidity means you should be shot. Britain please take this useless fuck back and give us good music instead.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:29:41pm

Forgot the closing quote from Mark Sumner’s piece on “civility.”

The press would be happier if Americans storming the castle would limit their efforts to the occasional neatly proscribed march. With colorful signs! And a permit!

The press is going to continue to be disappointed in us. If we’re lucky.

dailykos.com

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b.d.  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:29:56pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

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Who?

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electrotek  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:30:21pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

That’s only if they mock Muslims silly. Mocking Milo’s brothers in stupidity means you should be shot. Britain please take this useless fuck back and give us good music instead.

As long as it’s not from Morrissey.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:32:26pm

re: #133 electrotek

As long as it’s not from Morrissey.

Ha yeah fuck that guy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:32:46pm

re: #132 b.d.

Who?

A sad little attention whore.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:34:53pm

Charles Pierce was not all that enamored of the WaPo’s editorial about “civility” either:

Right on cue, Fred Hiatt’s Washington Post editorial page, which has no compunction about publishing the words of torture-enthusiast Marc Thiessen, blurted out the most embarrassing single paragraph written about the events at the Red Hen…

We nonetheless would argue that Ms. Huckabee, and Ms. Nielsen and Mr. Miller, too, should be allowed to eat dinner in peace. Those who are insisting that we are in a special moment justifying incivility should think for a moment how many Americans might find their own special moment. How hard is it to imagine, for example, people who strongly believe that abortion is murder deciding that judges or other officials who protect abortion rights should not be able to live peaceably with their families?

How did any higher primate write this paragraph without coughing up a lung? How did any sentient mammal not red-pencil this paragraph into oblivion? How did Post truck drivers not save their employers severe embarrassment by tossing that entire day’s print run into the Potomac?

esquire.com

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:36:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:37:37pm

re: #136 BeachDem

Charles Pierce was not all that enamored of the WaPo’s editorial about “civility” either:

Right on cue, Fred Hiatt’s Washington Post editorial page, which has no compunction about publishing the words of torture-enthusiast Marc Thiessen, blurted out the most embarrassing single paragraph written about the events at the Red Hen…

How did any higher primate write this paragraph without coughing up a lung? How did any sentient mammal not red-pencil this paragraph into oblivion? How did Post truck drivers not save their employers severe embarrassment by tossing that entire day’s print run into the Potomac?

esquire.com

We care more about perceived civility than the actions of those who are on the receiving end of supposed incivility. I’ll be civil to you if you deserve it. If you are implementing in Nielsen’s case or lying about a policy separating children from their families, I owe you nothing but contempt.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:37:47pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m sorry but stop lecturing us and actually turn your attention on douchebags like this. But I guess Milo is just “outspoken” and a “firebrand.”

I don’t read the NY Times all that much, just from the links here mostly.

Have they in the past three presidential election cycles ever chided the conservatives in this country for their words and behavior?

They seem to know how nasty the right can be, but they never seem to ask them to act better, be more civil, etc.

I think I know the answer, but I just want to ask some of the long-time NYT readers here if they have done similar articles about wingnut behavior.

I guess Dick Cheney cast a spell over the ol’ Times. He really put their ‘journalism’ to good use. They can’t even act the part anymore.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:39:19pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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Posted in my #110, if you haven’t yet had lunch.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:39:46pm

re: #139 ObserverArt

I don’t read the NY Times all that much, just from the links here mostly.

Have they in the past three presidential election cycles ever chided the conservatives in this country for their words and behavior?

They seem to know how nasty the right can be, but they never seem to ask them to act better, be more civil, etc.

I think I know the answer, but I just want to ask some of the long-time NYT readers here if they have done similar articles about wingnut behavior.

I guess Dick Cheney cast a spell over the ol’ Times. He really put their ‘journalism’ to good use. They can’t even act the part anymore.

If they have, not at the volume us. DeNiro gets chewed out for cursing but nothing for Nugent who ended up getting a WH invite. If you’re serious about civility, be consistent.

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:43:48pm

re: #118 b.d.

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If that’s your work, may I suggesst (pun not originally intended, but call it a serendipitous tpyo) that you have it holding a baby-rattle with its tail to get the point across even better? :-P

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:44:00pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

If they have, not at the volume us. DeNiro gets chewed out for cursing but nothing for Nugent who ended up getting a WH invite. If you’re serious about civility, be consistent.

Is it about consistency?

Seems to me to be more about intent. Top down message about the tone of the coverage.

Nothing just happens at a big media outlet like the New York Times.

So, sadly they are being consistent.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:44:52pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Oh that Milo, such a kidder!

//

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EPR-radar  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:44:53pm

re: #139 ObserverArt

The most important truth in US politics is that the Republican party is a proto-fascist death cult completely incapable of any kind of ‘governance’ more complicated than Trumpist graft and corruption.

The great both siderist lie of the political main stream media is that this fact about the Republican party is studiously ignored, and the media continues to treat Republicans as if they were respectable people with respectable opinions about which reasonable people can disagree.

The media should treat Republicans as deplorables with opinions that are stupid, bigoted and/or cruel which no civilized person should be obliged to take seriously.

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Jack Burton  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:46:14pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Doesn’t the media in Russia openly admit that Russia is doing all of this and Putin owns Clownstick?

They don’t care about hiding it because they know the Party of Treason over here will make sure nobody see it or gaslight the fuck out of us.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:48:36pm
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:50:36pm

Now…

Then (talking about the Dixie Chicks):

Bill O’Reilly: These are callow, foolish women who deserve to be slapped around.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:51:48pm
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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:52:46pm

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

It’s called Russia, Matt. You can go there.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:53:39pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:55:32pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

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Damn, Peters is an arrogant ass isn’t he?

You can tell he has a preset slant on liberals from his comments. He sure knows all about everyone on the left.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:56:42pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

[The Supreme Court is the “final word,” he said.]

Until November…

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EPR-radar  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:57:44pm

re: #152 ObserverArt

Damn, Peters is an arrogant ass isn’t he?

You can tell he has a preset slant on liberals from his comments. He sure knows all about everyone on the left.

Peters is being an idiot if he thinks racism and stupidity aren’t a major part of this ‘Trump coalition’.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:58:58pm

Reminder: What all this shit-flinging on immigration is getting them in return.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:59:04pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m sorry but stop lecturing us and actually turn your attention on douchebags like this. But I guess Milo is just “outspoken” and a “firebrand.”

Whoa, whoa there buddy. Tone it down.

//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:59:19pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

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I’ll always champion the first amendment but the fact taht these journalists continue to apologize for people who believe shit like that all the while dismissing legitimate frustration form us, yeah really pisses me the hell off.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 12:59:58pm

re: #155 makeitstop

Reminder: What all this shit-flinging on immigration is getting them in return.

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I hope Kaine doesn’t get complacent. Gillespie nearly beat Warner four years ago but that brings a smile to me.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:00:05pm

re: #78 jaunte

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:00:40pm

How many Trump voters will regret naming their daughter Harley?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:01:17pm

re: #159 MsJ

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This of course from the guy who made dick joke about Trump and called him a con artist. No one likes a toadie Marco. And you’re never going to be President and you’re only going to be remembered if at all as the lame ass who the Republican honchos thought would be their Obama.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:01:53pm

re: #160 nines09

How many Trump voters will regret naming their daughter Harley?

Having regrets requires introspection. My guess is, none.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:01:54pm

re: #160 nines09

How many Trump voters will regret naming their daughter Harley?

Hopefully as much as the ones that will regret naming their sons Donald. I want them to know first hand how little he cares about them when times get tough.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:02:24pm

re: #162 Amory Blaine

Having regrets requires introspection. My guess is, none.

You’re right unfortunately. When they have to pay more for their hogs, they’ll just blame the Dems because Trump can do no wrong to them.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:02:48pm

They can always rename their daughters “libertarian”, if history is any guide.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:03:29pm

re: #154 EPR-radar

Peters is being an idiot if he thinks racism and stupidity aren’t a major part of this ‘Trump coalition’.

I took his comment to mean he does know they are stupid racists, but that’s old hate.

It’s like he is saying the left needs to find other things to be upset with that he can cover freely.

Meanwhile Peters acts like he is tortured and bored to tears having to go over all of this all the time.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:03:54pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

The most important truth in US politics is that the Republican party is a proto-fascist death cult completely incapable of any kind of ‘governance’ more complicated than Trumpist graft and corruption.

The great both siderist lie of the political main stream media is that this fact about the Republican party is studiously ignored, and the media continues to treat Republicans as if they were respectable people with respectable opinions about which reasonable people can disagree.

The media should treat Republicans as deplorables with opinions that are stupid, bigoted and/or cruel which no civilized person should be obliged to take seriously.

this is the exact same problem with anti-science, global warming, vaxxers, alternative medicine, flat earth, ghosts, ufos, intelligent design, psi, esp, bigfeet and cryptos, and on and on and on

they are not refutable or falsifiable
their models are based on the assumed reality of supernatural phenomena
they are not objective or lend to independent replication

this nonsense is not science and should not be treated as if it is
40-50+ years of doing that has gotten us intelligent design actually being debated for school cirricula

these things are not real. never were. it’s time we started calling these people the loons that they are

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:04:24pm

re: #89 Belafon

What is CTV?

It’s a network in Canada.

I’m looking through their news as I can to find the story. Likely can’t until I’m home again.

ctv.ca if anyone has time.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:04:54pm

re: #160 nines09

How many Trump voters will regret naming their daughter Harley?

What about the tats?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:06:52pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Here’s a crazy thought - what if they really ARE all racist and stupid?

I mean, there’s really no question Trump is racist, and his policies are racist.

And there’s no question Trump is stupid, and his policies are stupid.

SO, yeah, MAYBE people who aren’t racist and stupid support a man whose entire policy schtick is racism and stupidity, but it’s kinda hard to see why.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:08:47pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:09:04pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

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I wonder what Milo will say when the Radical Christians come for him…

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electrotek  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:09:28pm

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

I wonder what Milo will say when the Radical Christians come for him…

Send his ass to Brazil and we’ll find out soon.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:10:02pm

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

I wonder what Milo will say when the Radical Christians come for him…

“At least it wasn’t Muslims” or some shit like that. Actually Milo will just go crawling back ot the UK probably as soon as they start to target gay people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:10:07pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Hopefully as much as the ones that will regret naming their sons Donald. I want them to know first hand how little he cares about them when times get tough.

I named my son Donal in 2006, back when Trump was still just a bad joke and reality TV star.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:10:13pm

Crap magnetism.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:10:24pm

re: #173 electrotek

Send his ass to Brazil and we’ll find out soon.

I’d rather send him to Neptune.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:11:22pm

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I named my son Donal in 2006, back when Trump was still just a bad joke and reality TV star.

Yeah but you didn’t name him after him. I share the same first name with alot of scummy people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:12:09pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

Crap magnetism.

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Poor Mr. Met.

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electrotek  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:12:50pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

I’d rather send him to Neptune.

Brazil is one of the deadliest places in the world to be LGBTQ in.

And guess what? It’s a direct result of Evangelical Christianity imported from the “land of the free”.

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mmmirele  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:13:29pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

David Lynch has been promoting Transcendental Meditation for decades. Yes, he can be that naive.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:16:18pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Yeah but you didn’t name him after him. I share the same first name with alot of scummy people.

while my name may be spelled like others, the pronunciation is totally different ;-)

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VegasGolfer  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:18:08pm

More civility.
nbclosangeles.com

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:18:57pm

re: #80 jaunte

Sorry about longchain twitter post

Your apology gives me the chance to upding it twice.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:19:22pm
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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:20:13pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

What about the tats?

You do realize the beaches of the future will look like a hematoma ward? There is enough bad ink out there to blind me, and it hasn’t even seen 20 years of sun.
Some sand somewhere….by water…
(Little kid voice)
“Gramma?”
Wha.
“Do you have a boo boo?”
Wha?
(Pointing to large washed out tramp stamp)
Uh. Oh, no sweetie.
That’s just 2 bottles of Tequila and a biker named Puff.
Fucker ran off. Drink your beer. It’s getting warm.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:21:28pm

re: #165 Amory Blaine

They can always rename their daughters “libertarian”, if history is any guide.

Or ‘independent.’

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:21:32pm

re: #180 electrotek

Brazil is one of the deadliest places in the world to be LGBTQ in.

And guess what? It’s a direct result of Evangelical Christianity imported from the “land of the free”.

Uganda too.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:21:50pm

so mcconnel tweets this picture just after the scotus announcement

remember when obama wasn’t supposed to “spike the football”

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:22:12pm

re: #160 nines09

How many Trump voters will regret naming their daughter Harley?

They’ll just claim they were huge Batman fans…

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:22:15pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

Crap magnetism.

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Also it’s probably just me but it looks like Michael Moore is slowly turning into Edna Roz from Monsters Inc.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:23:41pm

re: #189 dangerman

so mcconnel tweets this picture just after the scotus announcement

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remember when obama wasn’t supposed to “spike the football”

Oh what a parthetic scumbag. I know it won’t ever happen but it would be awesome if there was a way to remove Gorsuch. Unfortunately, we can’t and invalidating the rulings he’s put over the top would set a dangerous precedent as the stunt McConnell pulled to get him in teh first place.

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:25:20pm

re: #190 sagehen

Claim it was from Puritan heritage. Olde English.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:25:38pm

So, Trump voters voted for Trump, not because they’re racist and stupid, even though Trump is racist and stupid, but rather because people on the left pointed out that Trump is racist and stupid, and if only we hadn’t correctly pointed that out, Trump voters would not be Trump voters?

Yuh. Right.

Oh, and now, if we point out that Trump is racist and stupid, his supporters will cling ever more tightly to him, even if they think he’s racist and stupid, because WE’RE calling him racist and stupid.

O-o-okay.

How does this even make sense?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:25:57pm

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

Also it’s probably just me but it looks like Michael Moore is slowly turning into Edna from Monsters Inc.

[Embedded content]

Roz :). Sorry, sorry. Good movie.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:26:43pm

re: #183 VegasGolfer

More civility.
nbclosangeles.com

“NBC4 is attempting to identify and contact the woman seen in the video for comment.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:27:08pm

Gorsuch is McConnell’s legacy to the coutnry. McConnell’s final fuck you to the country for not electing McCain or Romney, a final fuck you for being better people than his coroked ass is. Trumpers hate McConnell but they should be kissing his crooked ass today.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:27:41pm

re: #183 VegasGolfer

More civility.
nbclosangeles.com

Feel the economic anxiety!

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:27:51pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Roz :). Sorry, sorry. Good movie.

Right, mixing up my Pixars.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:28:14pm

Ca choo.

Sorry, I just had to add that.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:29:47pm

Remember when Tea Baggers spent 8 years vilifying everything Obama and conspiracy-mongering about FEMA Death Camps and Jade Helm and threatened to launch an American Spring, remember how badly that ended up hurting the GOP?

Yeah, not much.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:29:48pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

Right, mixing up my Pixars.

All good. Speaking of Pixar, have caught Moana and Coco the past two weeks. Both wonderful films.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:30:32pm

re: #201 Sir John Barron

Remember when Tea Baggers spent 8 years vilifying everything Obama and conspiracy-mongering about FEMA Death Camps and Jade Helm and threatened to launch an American Spring, remember how badly that ended up hurting the GOP?

Yeah, not much.

It wasn’t just the Tea-baggers, it was their own offiicials. Abbott loved that Jade Helm shit. And yet I bet he’s smiling about this decision. The hypocritical fuck.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:30:39pm

re: #201 Sir John Barron

Remember when Tea Baggers spent 8 years vilifying everything Obama and conspiracy-mongering about FEMA Death Camps and Jade Helm and threatened to launch an American Spring, remember how badly that ended up hurting the GOP?

Yeah, not much.

It hurt them so much they control most state houses and the national government.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:33:43pm

I’m sure Milo was not the slightest bit a Nazi until people called him a Nazi for hanging out with Nazis. Here in America, we now believe that what turns a regular person into a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist or a Nazi is the prospect of being called a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist or a Nazi, or, indeed, even seeing someone else being called a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist or a Nazi, even if that person CLEARLY IS a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist or a Nazi.

This is how you can somehow manage to believe that “Racism was practically dead in America before Obama.”

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Winston_Smith  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:33:53pm

One of the many things that bothers me is knowing if a pro slavery case ever made it to the Supreme Court there are already 4 votes in favor, including Clarence Thomas.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:35:12pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Oh what a parthetic scumbag. I know it won’t ever happen but it would be awesome if there was a way to remove Gorsuch. Unfortunately, we can’t and invalidating the rulings he’s put over the top would set a dangerous precedent as the stunt McConnell pulled to get him in teh first place.

if there’s any satisfaction to this it’s that mitch will not be treated kindly by history.
he will not be remembered as a statesman or a savvy negotiator or for any signature legislation

he’ll be the guy who debased himself, sacrificed his reputation and dignity, and his country to maintain control of the Supreme Court.

and he did it by breaking precedent, a long and historied “gentleman’s agreement” and then played a parlimentary trick

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Winston_Smith  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:35:56pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

That quote gets him refereed to as “the provocative nationalist” in the Observer.

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:37:04pm
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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:37:11pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

So, Trump voters voted for Trump, not because they’re racist and stupid, even though Trump is racist and stupid, but rather because people on the left pointed out that Trump is racist and stupid, and if only we hadn’t correctly pointed that out, Trump voters would not be Trump voters?

Yuh. Right.

Oh, and now, if we point out that Trump is racist and stupid, his supporters will cling ever more tightly to him, even if they think he’s racist and stupid, because WE’RE calling him racist and stupid.

O-o-okay.

How does this even make sense?

this second part does
no one wants to admit they were wrong, or worse, actually conned by a not-even-very-good con artist

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:38:09pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

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Ca choo.

Sorry, I just had to add that.

bless you

(yes i know where you were going)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:38:26pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

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I’m sure Milo was not the slightest bit a Nazi until people called him a Nazi for hanging out with Nazis. Here in America, we now believe that what turns a regular person into a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist or a Nazi is the prospect of being called a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist or a Nazi, or, indeed, even seeing someone else being called a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist or a Nazi, even if that person CLEARLY IS a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist or a Nazi.

This is how you can somehow manage to believe that “Racism was practically dead in America before Obama.”

Just a firebrand.//

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:39:03pm

re: #207 dangerman

if there’s any satisfaction to this it’s that mitch will not be treated kindly by history.
he will not be remembered as a statesman or a savvy negotiator or for any signature legislation

he’ll be the guy who debased himself, sacrificed his reputation and dignity, and his country to maintain control of the Supreme Court.

and he did it by breaking precedent, a long and historied “gentleman’s agreement” and then played a parlimentary trick

Correction. He won’t be treated kindly by history if it’s written in German, or in English should we manage to take back the country.. If it’s written in Russian, If it’s written in English should the Trumpenreich continue, and possibly if it’s written in Chinese, they’ll see him as a principled hero (*spit!*)

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:39:05pm

re: #211 dangerman

(yes i know where you were going)

That makes one of us.

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CongoJack  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:39:35pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Ca choo.

Sorry, I just had to add that.

…. grr… now its stuck in my head.

I AM THE WALRUS!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:40:02pm
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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:40:13pm

re: #209 nines09

Trump Says Harley Davidson is Lying About Impact of Tariffs. Interesting Because They Stated It in Their 8-K. Trouble If It’s False.

economics is a bitch
and this one is a slap in the face

sad (ok not really)

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:40:29pm

re: #215 CongoJack

…. grr… now its stuck in my head.

I AM THE WALRUS!

Oh, that’s where I was going…

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:40:53pm
“Because They Stated It in Their 8-K”

Translation?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:41:57pm

re: #216 Dr. Matt

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And Biden to his credit didn’t make a scene out of it because Biden isn’t a coward.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:42:05pm

re: #219 Dr. Matt

Translation?

filed under penalties of perjury plus a whole lotta other potential penalties

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:42:24pm

re: #209 nines09

Oh screw those lying libtard liberals at **squints** the Harley Davidson Company.

/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:42:50pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Just a firebrand.//

A gadfly, if you will.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:43:21pm

re: #209 nines09

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How does this make any fucking sense?

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:43:25pm

re: #217 dangerman

I have so many bad Harley jokes, I could get killed in a biker bar.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:43:38pm

re: #219 Dr. Matt

Translation?

Form submitted to the SEC by a publicly traded company. Lying on these is a REALLY BAD IDEA.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:43:57pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

A gadfly, if you will.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:44:07pm

re: #216 Dr. Matt

This was equally true in 2012 when a Virginia baker told Joe Biden he wasn’t welcome in his shop.

— Chris Hayes

I actually think this was a bit different; Biden wanted to host a political function, do a photo-op of some kind.

But wingnuts are still a bunch of babies.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:44:08pm

re: #45 Ferdinand

Rod Dreher can be summed up with this definition of conservatism:

Conservatism is the the belief that there are some groups who should be protected by the law but not constrained by it, while other groups must be constrained by the law but never protected by it.

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:44:10pm

re: #224 Mike Lamb

How does this make any fucking sense?

How does any of it make any fucking sense?

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:44:41pm

re: #213 Chrysicat

Correction. He won’t be treated kindly by history if it’s written in German, or in English should we manage to take back the country.. If it’s written in Russian, If it’s written in English should the Trumpenreich continue, and possibly if it’s written in Chinese, they’ll see him as a principled hero (*spit!*)

coub.com

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:44:57pm

re: #229 Scottish Dragon

Rod Dreher can be summed up with this definition of conservatism:

Conservatism is the the belief that there are some groups who should be protected by the law but not constrained by it, while other groups must be constrained by the law but never protected by it.

“Sure, sounds good to us.”

////

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:45:23pm

re: #229 Scottish Dragon

Rod Dreher can be summed up with this definition of conservatism:

Conservatism is the the belief that there are some groups who should be protected by the law but not constrained by it, while other groups must be constrained by the law but never protected by it.

Brilliant.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:45:57pm

re: #224 Mike Lamb

How does this make any fucking sense?

Our job is not to ask whether DJT makes any sense, our job is to shutup and clap.

/////

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:46:11pm

re: #232 Sir John Barron

“Sure, sounds good to us.”

////

Thing is they even see that. They literally don’t see a place for non Christians in the Bill of Rights.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:46:39pm

Damn storms!!!

And there goes the low humidity that we had for two days with the heat wave coming.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:47:00pm

re: #225 nines09

I have so many bad Harley jokes, I could get killed in a biker bar.

i do too

id like to retort that i owned a bad harley joke once
truth is i never did
they were never the best built, or engineered, or the fastest
they were right for me

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:47:25pm

re: #209 nines09

I hate it when Soshulist Kenyan fake President Obama bullies and lies about a private free enterprise company like Harley.

/////

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:48:04pm

re: #228 Sir John Barron

Chris McMurray and his wife Kelly had only been in a business a few months when Biden’s advance team walked into their Radford bakery, Crumb and Get It, hoping the veep could stop in for some cookies and a photo opportunity while they were campaigning in the area, but McMurray turned down the offer.

He made the decision “because of conviction and principle,” the shop owner told CBS affiliate WDBJ 7 at the time. “I have a difference of opinion of the folks in that campaign, that’s what it was. Also, taking a stance for my faith, my faith in God.”

From: nydailynews.com

Pretty damned similar situation from my seats…..

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:48:52pm

re: #213 Chrysicat

Correction. He won’t be treated kindly by history if it’s written in German, or in English should we manage to take back the country.. If it’s written in Russian, If it’s written in English should the Trumpenreich continue, and possibly if it’s written in Chinese, they’ll see him as a principled hero (*spit!*)

there will still be others
the truth will out

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:49:10pm

re: #229 Scottish Dragon

Rod Dreher can be summed up with this definition of conservatism:

Conservatism is the the belief that there are some groups who should be protected by the law but not constrained by it, while other groups must be constrained by the law but never protected by it.

“True democracy is based on the unalterable subjection of the negro and the supremacy of the white race.”

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:49:33pm

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Pretty damned similar situation from my seats…..

And of course, the GOPNazis put it on the national stage:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:49:35pm

re: #224 Mike Lamb

How does this make any fucking sense?

It doesn’t, unless you live in a completely binary world. Trump lives in a completely binary world. North Korea was the worst place in the world, KJU the most dangerous madman in the world until he said something nice about Trump and now he’s the best guy around and he’s going to make North Korea into a great country.

See, for most of us, KJU was a bad guy because he did, and does, bad things. To Trump, KJU was a bad guy because he said bad things about Trump. Once he says good things, he automatically becomes a good guy.

Harley Davidson was good, but then they said something bad about Trump so now they’re bad.

We’re being governed by Anthony.

It’s good that you done that. Real good!
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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:49:39pm

re: #237 dangerman

i do too

id like to retort that i owned a bad harley joke once
truth is i never did
they were never the best built, or engineered, or the fastest
they were right for me

That’s why Harley’s always ride in packs. So when yours just takes a shit, you got company.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:51:16pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Thing is they even see that. They literally don’t see a place for non Christians in the Bill of Rights.

Yeah. I mean, after all, it talks about ‘the people’, and everyone knows non-Christians aren’t people. Not in the REAL sense. Not like you and me.
/////////////////////////////////

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:51:35pm

re: #242 Dr. Matt

And of course, the GOPNazis put it on the national stage:

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Yeah but somehow that’s different.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:52:12pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. I mean, after all, it talks about ‘the people’, and everyone knows non-Christians aren’t people. Not in the REAL sense. Not like you and me.
/////////////////////////////////

God especially help ya if you’re a non white Christian.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:52:29pm

re: #244 nines09

That’s why Harley’s always ride in packs. So when yours just takes a shit, you got company.

you may not make it all the way into that bar…

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:54:46pm

Nicole and her guests are just unloading on The Donny and The Supremes.

Steve Schmidt is being very dark and yes…uncivil as hell.

Donny Deutsch is saying here comes The Dictator…kids be very scared…Trump is tasting his power.

I know they are not to be trusted since many on Nicole Wallace’s show are very much Republicans.

But damn, they are ripping on them enough that Jeremy Peters and The New York Times are gonna have to take them all to task.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:54:58pm

oh joy

CBO Warns of Ballooning U.S. Debt

“Federal debt is currently equivalent to 78 percent of the country’s annual Gross Domestic Product, with the report estimating it will rise to 100 percent of GDP by 2030 and 152 percent by 2048. The share of debt would surpass records set in the World War II era.”

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:55:48pm

Annnd, Paul Manafort is batting **checks notes** .000, or around there…

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:56:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:56:43pm

re: #250 dangerman

oh joy

CBO Warns of Ballooning U.S. Debt

Republicans will reply that Jesus will take care of the debt. They will form a prayer chain for His intervention…

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:57:41pm

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

Republicans will reply that Jesus will take care of the debt. They will form a prayer chain for His intervention…

“Debt incurred by White president’s don’t matter”
~GOP

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:58:43pm

The incivility continues.

Guys, this is why Trump won.
///////////////////////// —>

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:59:01pm

if i had a kid:

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 1:59:49pm

I was keeping a ‘punch on sight’ list, but I ran out of paper.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:00:42pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:01:14pm

re: #255 makeitstop

The incivility continues.

[Embedded content]

Guys, this is why Trump won.
///////////////////////// —>

“how do you sleep at night?”

Unfortunately, I’m sure they sleep just fine.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:02:33pm

(((edelweisspirat))) 🌊 #GeneralStrike

@crandallgold
Jun 24
More

If you think that Mexico is only sending drug dealers and rapists,

but also worry that Mexicans are going to take your job…

What the fuck do you do for a living?

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:03:24pm

re: #248 dangerman

you may not make it all the way into that bar…

Best opening line as you sit down at the bar and throw your money down;
“Whose scooter has the ape bars? I knocked it over.”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:03:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:05:58pm

1) So, he’s NOT expecting the tariffs to go away, then?

2) Just exactly who the fuck does he think pays tariffs, anyway? He keeps talking about our trading partners paying the tariffs, but that’s not even remotely how it works. Those tariffs will be paid by consumers, who will find things cost a lot more suddenly.

So, Trump and the GOP will have managed to cut the tax burden on the rich whose consumption is a much smaller part of their income, and shifted that burden onto the middle and working classes, whose consumption is essentially all of their income.

Oh, and at the same time, they’ll be losing jobs because other countries will impost tariffs on our goods, and multinationals will shift production out of the US.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:07:33pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

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Bur remember, when it was imposed, Sean Spicer got all red-faced and pissy insisting it WASN’T a ‘travel ban’.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:07:45pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

1) So, he’s NOT expecting the tariffs to go away, then?

2) Just exactly who the fuck does he think pays tariffs, anyway? He keeps talking about our trading partners paying the tariffs, but that’s not even remotely how it works. Those tariffs will be paid by consumers, who will find things cost a lot more suddenly.

So, Trump and the GOP will have managed to cut the tax burden on the rich whose consumption is a much smaller part of their income, and shifted that burden onto the middle and working classes, whose consumption is essentially all of their income.

Oh, and at the same time, they’ll be losing jobs because other countries will impost tariffs on our goods, and multinationals will shift production out of the US.

They really do want to go back to the gilded age, don’t they? Back when JP Morgan had to personally intervene to try to save the economy during stock market dives.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:08:03pm

re: #261 nines09

Best opening line as you sit down at the bar and throw your money down;
“Whose scooter has the ape bars? I knocked it over.”

once i had ridden to a sushi bar
(yes bikers do that)
with a girl

i had the jacket and all
we managed even though the sushi chef did not speak english

near the end of dinner he made that ubiquitous sign with his hands way up….

i said “ah, ape hangers”

we spent 20 minutes trying to translate the idiom so it made some sense

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:08:10pm

re: #168 MsJ

It’s a network in Canada.

I’m looking through their news as I can to find the story. Likely can’t until I’m home again.

ctv.ca if anyone has time.

This is the closest I can find. It’s from The Intercept.

Nothing on the CTV website at all.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:09:28pm
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Jack Burton  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:10:53pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

He keeps talking about [insert any subject at all], but that’s not even remotely how it works.

This can be said about almost literally *everything* President Dunning-Kruger does or says.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:11:33pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

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1) So, he’s NOT expecting the tariffs to go away, then?

2) Just exactly who the fuck does he think pays tariffs, anyway? He keeps talking about our trading partners paying the tariffs, but that’s not even remotely how it works. Those tariffs will be paid by consumers, who will find things cost a lot more suddenly.

So, Trump and the GOP will have managed to cut the tax burden on the rich whose consumption is a much smaller part of their income, and shifted that burden onto the middle and working classes, whose consumption is essentially all of their income.

Oh, and at the same time, they’ll be losing jobs because other countries will impost tariffs on our goods, and multinationals will shift production out of the US.

GOP will never miss an opportunity to impose a regressive taxation policy…

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unproven innocence  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:12:46pm

I think it might be a good idea for some news organisation(s) to undertake (quietly) a survey of all the grave markers in Arlington Cemetary. Maybe repeat it every year.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:12:53pm

re: #270 Mike Lamb

GOP will never miss an opportunity to impose a regressive taxation policy…

And they’ll get away with it because all Republican politicians have to do is say “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus” to get re-elected every time!

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:14:25pm

re: #266 dangerman

once i had ridden to a sushi bar
(yes bikers do that)
with a girl

i had the jacket and all
we managed even though the sushi chef did not speak english

near the end of dinner he made that ubiquitous sign with his hands way up….

i said “ah, ape hangers”

we spent 20 minutes trying to translate the idiom so it made some sense

Get a book of paper matches.
Pull one out.
Pull it apart, so that it forms a “V”
Hold each of the ends between thumb and first finger.
Raise it high over your head with your arms in front of you.
Stomp your right foot three times.
Repeat.
Repeat.

Gk7SfbVFerRCZhpXAOshwxuZVO0AESQ9qsCJpe9eh3U=

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:16:11pm

re: #268 jaunte

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That is the strength of determined trolling, unfortunately….and especially if the provocateurs/trolls have bombs and guns (and religious mania). Their determination to keep hitting you usually outlasts most people’s or civilizations determination to not be drawn in.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:18:09pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:18:15pm

GATESVILLE, Texas (KXAN) — An explosion has been reported at the Coryell Memorial Hospital in Gatesville, Tuesday afternoon, according to KXAN sister station KWKT.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:18:58pm

re: #268 jaunte

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I know some are rightfully hard on Schmidt for his roles but he’s right here. Trump just gave Al Queda and groups like it what it’s always wanted. And I hope Schimdt knows that the conservative jurists that decided the case are types of judges that candidates far less odious than Trump push for.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:19:55pm

re: #274 Scottish Dragon

That is the strength of determined trolling, unfortunately….and especially if the provocateurs/trolls have bombs and guns (and religious mania). Their determination to keep hitting you usually outlasts most people’s or civilizations determination to not be drawn in.

I’m confused. Were we the trolls in this scenario?

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:20:54pm

In other news - The Kinks are getting back together!

Ray Davies has surprised the music world after announcing that The Kinks are planning to reunite after 20 years apart.

The band has endured one of the longest feuds in UK music since disbanding in the late 90s, but now appear to have buried the hatchet.

Davies revealed the news in an interview with Channel 4 News, stating that he was “making a new Kinks album” with brother Dave Davies and Mick Avory.

“The trouble is, the two remaining members, my brother Dave and Mick, never got along very well. But I’ve made that work in the studio and it’s fired me up to make them play harder, and with fire,” Davies said.

The group last performed together in 1996 and split following rising tensions between the two Davies brothers.

Ray’s obviously having a little fun with that remark about Dave and Avery. The Brothers Davies wrote the book on sibling rivalries in rock.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:21:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:21:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:22:52pm

re: #280 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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A classic match between two countries Trump fucked over. And I’m sorry Germany even though I have a German surname and love Germany very much, I’m rooting for hte underdogs ehre.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:23:44pm

re: #276 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s on the North side of Ft. Hood Y’all……

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:23:51pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:24:21pm

re: #279 makeitstop

In other news - The Kinks are getting back together!

Ray’s obviously having a little fun with that remark about Dave and Avery. The Brothers Davies wrote the book on sibling rivalries in rock.

I guess we all mellow with age. I think a lot of it is on Dave’s part, at this point.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:24:32pm

re: #109 nowherenorth2

The sad fact is that it is happen in St. Lawrence county of NY already. On my way to work there was a border patrol stop asking where I was born and what country I am a citizen of.

I have gone through Border Patrol checkpoints for the past 25 years in Tupper Lake, NY. Nothing new.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:25:13pm

Today the Okeanos Explorer is just off the NC coast (about 26 miles I believe), and the rover is on an inter-canyon ridge; they came across this guy, who is none too happy to be disturbed:

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:26:07pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:26:50pm

re: #283 Dave In Austin

That’s on the North side of Ft. Hood Y’all……

“… A dispatch official with the Coryell County Sheriff’s Office tells CBS News that a “very large” blast occurred in an area adjacent to the hospital where there had recently been construction. …”

I’m guessing gas line

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:27:57pm

re: #273 nines09

Get a book of paper matches.
Pull one out.
Pull it apart, so that it forms a “V”
Hold each of the ends between thumb and first finger.
Raise it high over your head with your arms in front of you.
Stomp your right foot three times.
Repeat.
Repeat.

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i had an 81 chopper with a kicker and electric start
i could pretend to step on the pedal while i hit the button

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:29:07pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:30:00pm

re: #278 Bass Reeves

I’m confused. Were we the trolls in this scenario?

Talking in general about groups like AQ, ISIL etc who can keep bombing and killing and killing and killing, and you can compare that to the pathological trolls on the web who stalk women and post revenge porn or photoshopped porn (sometimes for years) for lulz.

Groups and people who do this sort of thing can escalate outrages past your ability to ignore or refusal to engage….and AQ was determined to make this into a paradigm about Islam vs western modernity. I figured they succeed eventually when they got the body count high enough…even if most of the rest of Islam and the world at large didn’t want that.

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nines09  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:33:26pm

re: #290 dangerman

You never experienced the sheer lung burn, drunk, and throwing yourself as high as you could into the air, stomping on that kick start, hanging on the throttle? FIFTY FUCKING TIMES?
You never lived.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:34:41pm

re: #284 jaunte

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Right.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:35:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:37:16pm

re: #295 jaunte

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But lecture us more on civility Republicans.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:40:30pm

re: #295 jaunte

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Alex Jones will do his False Flag shtick again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:42:31pm

re: #297 Joe Bacon 🌹

Alex Jones will do his False Flag shtick again.

Of course. He’s a miserable bastard.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:45:41pm
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:47:52pm

re: #286 Shropshire Slasher

I have gone through Border Patrol checkpoints for the past 25 years in Tupper Lake, NY. Nothing new.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:49:03pm

re: #287 freetoken

Today the Okeanos Explorer is just off the NC coast (about 26 miles I believe), and the rover is on an inter-canyon ridge; they came across this guy, who is none too happy to be disturbed:

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OH, MY GOD!!! IT’S SO GODDAM CUTE!!!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:58:08pm

“Izzat yo cultchah ‘n’ her’tage? Thass not MAH cultchah ‘n’ her’tage!”

I belong to a certain secret society - I don’t think I gotta tell y’all its name….
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:58:38pm
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electrotek  Jun 26, 2018 • 2:59:02pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Izzat yo cultchah ‘n’ her’tage? Thass not MAH cultchah ‘n’ her’tage!”

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You mean like parts of Spain where British expats outnumber locals?

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:00:52pm

re: #293 nines09

You never experienced the sheer lung burn, drunk, and throwing yourself as high as you could into the air, stomping on that kick start, hanging on the throttle? FIFTY FUCKING TIMES?
You never lived.

electra-glide

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:01:33pm

re: #304 electrotek

You mean like parts of Spain where British expats outnumber locals?

Or, as I once read, where in August you can walk the length of the beach without once stepping off of sunburned German skin?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:01:42pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Izzat yo cultchah ‘n’ her’tage? Thass not MAH cultchah ‘n’ her’tage!”

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Oh shut up. Your own mother was an immigrant and two of your three wives but please tell us more how you only oppose illegal immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:02:03pm

re: #304 electrotek

You mean like parts of Spain where British expats outnumber locals?

That’s different.//

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:02:56pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Izzat yo cultchah ‘n’ her’tage? Thass not MAH cultchah ‘n’ her’tage!”

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Trump is getting awfully mouthy. He is set to piss off the entire world with this immigration stuff. He’s putting himself in a tough spot too. I guess he doesn’t plan on going anywhere outside the U.S. again. The hate will be strong.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:02:56pm
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:04:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:04:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:06:31pm

re: #312 Blind Frog Belly White

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Tough shit. You both signed up for this and continue to implement shitty policies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:06:49pm

“Hey, I didn’t realize it was a Nazi, but now that I know, it turns out Nazis are right!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:09:04pm

re: #314 Blind Frog Belly White

“Hey, I didn’t realize it was a Nazi, but now that I know, it turns out Nazis are right!”

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Of course, he’s not sorry. He’s a racist fucker who has never bothered to talk to people who don’t look like him or think like him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:19:01pm

Okay, let’s unpack this a little. First, like I said above, Trump’s talking as if the tariffs aren’t a temporary measure designed to open markets abroad, but rather a permanent feature that we should expect to last for years.

Second, countries that sell goods here aren’t ‘raiding the Treasury’. What the fuck does that even mean, that he sees Americans’ money as HIS money? and here Americans are giving HIS money to foreigners?

Third, we didn’t have income tax, because we had a smaller military, no Social Security, no Medicare. He’s increased the military budget and promised no cuts to Social Security or Medicare.

Fourth, no debt - blithering fucking idiot just exploded the deficit with his fucking tax cuts!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:20:43pm

JFC

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:22:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:22:52pm

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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I hate that asshole.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:25:44pm
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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:29:16pm

re: #314 Blind Frog Belly White

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:31:57pm

re: #318 jaunte

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To quote that book white Christians masturbate into, the wicked flee when no man pursueth.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:33:07pm

re: #320 jaunte

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OFFS. No one harassed that business owner who denied Biden and nor should they have.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:33:49pm

re: #321 lawhawk

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He is by far the most repugnant Republican in Congress. I’d love to see him lose.

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:34:22pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Izzat yo cultchah ‘n’ her’tage? Thass not MAH cultchah ‘n’ her’tage!”

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I should only feel pity for those whose only cultural heritage is getting their asses kicked by real Northern men five generations ago, but instead I feel a deep desire to take away their government services until the message sinks in.

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:35:05pm

Oops. Repost because my cut didn’t take.

That’s what I meant to put there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:35:56pm
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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:36:50pm

Refresh to see my real #326. Somehow the cut for my new tweet didn’t take and I pasted what I’d already posted.

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:37:14pm

re: #213 Chrysicat

Correction. He won’t be treated kindly by history if it’s written in German, or in English should we manage to take back the country.. If it’s written in Russian, If it’s written in English should the Trumpenreich continue, and possibly if it’s written in Chinese, they’ll see him as a principled hero (*spit!*)

Chinese seems most likely to me, and if it’s in that language we’ll all be irrelevant once we go bankrupt and the PRC takes possession. Honestly, that might be just as well.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:46:33pm

re: #320 jaunte

Everyone had to know it would happen. When they reopen, and are flooded with customers, those people outside won’t have a chance.

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:48:44pm

re: #309 ObserverArt

Trump is getting awfully mouthy. He is set to piss off the entire world with this immigration stuff. He’s putting himself in a tough spot too. I guess he doesn’t plan on going anywhere outside the U.S. again. The hate will be strong.

The problem is that “the whole world” isn’t yet ready to act appropriately (and much of that world, remember, is on Donny’s side against those “elitists”). When I see flights from the US canceled or our ambassadors told that they’re personae non grata, then I’ll start to believe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:52:28pm
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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:53:40pm

The wife and I just went and performed our civic duty. A discouraging note - I asked how turnout was, and the man who got our autographs (heh) said we were number 14 and 15 for the day.

I don’t know if we beat the after-work rush, or if we’re a lot more outnumbered in this neighborhood than I thought we were.

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:54:36pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:54:37pm

re: #328 Chrysicat

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Shit gettin real. 25 arrested for protesting near the AG.
It was one thing to consider what we have to bring to the resistance. Time, some effort, maybe donations. Phone calls and persuasion. Then it gets to where we have a strike and hit the streets. And there, jobs on the line, money short, scared of the authorities ability to make us hurt-we find out what we will sacrifice. 25 gave up their freedom if only briefly today. Given zero reports of violence or vandalism i tip my hat to them.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 3:56:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:01:46pm

re: #332 Blind Frog Belly White

I said this yesterday, but the whole cry for civility and the idea that we shouldn’t be mean to Trumpkins or call them stupid or racist is all about white privilege.

I’ll be honest - Trump’s policies are unlikely to negatively impact my income, or my personal freedom. I have the luxury, if I choose, of not caring. I have the luxury of being able to say that friends and relatives who voted for and who still support Trump are ‘good people’, because I’m not in the crosshairs.

That luxury is the essence of white privilege. I get to choose whether or not to care about politics, because its effect on me personally will be small either way. And if I DO care, I’ll get shit from my white friends for being ‘hateful’, and be told that people who support horrible racist policies are not ‘bad people’, they just didn’t like Hillary Clinton, or they wanted change, or they’re frustrated by Washington.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:02:31pm

95° F with a dew point of 22° F.

Giphy

On the plus side, contractors are finished xeriscaping my front yard, will be using much less water going forward.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:03:10pm

If at first you fail miserably…

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Bass Reeves  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:04:22pm

re: #292 Scottish Dragon

Talking in general about groups like AQ, ISIL etc who can keep bombing and killing and killing and killing, and you can compare that to the pathological trolls on the web who stalk women and post revenge porn or photoshopped porn (sometimes for years) for lulz.

Groups and people who do this sort of thing can escalate outrages past your ability to ignore or refusal to engage….and AQ was determined to make this into a paradigm about Islam vs western modernity. I figured they succeed eventually when they got the body count high enough…even if most of the rest of Islam and the world at large didn’t want that.

I feel you, and would like to point out the constant desire of the right wing to turn the GWoT into a religious conflict. Incessant drumbeat even. Like since the creation of Israel incessant drumbeat to bring about a holy war/end times, and their insinuation into places like Colorado Springs, GdubsBush, the one optic I forget the name of that had a bible quote on the side, etc.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:04:41pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

If at first you fail miserably…

The Simpsons - lesson is, never try

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:05:32pm

re: #334 Chrysicat

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Speaking of ‘be careful what you wish for…

He better hope they’re more respectful of our sovereignty than we are and have always been of theirs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:07:17pm

re: #338 teleskiguy

95° F with a dew point of 22° F.

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On the plus side, contractors are finished xeriscaping my front yard, will be using much less water going forward.

When I didn’t know how to spell ‘xeriscaping’, I once spelled it ‘zeroscaping’, which may actually work better in 7% humidity - just don’t plant anything. It’ll only die on you.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:08:14pm

re: #343 Blind Frog Belly White

When I didn’t know how to spell ‘xeriscaping’, I once spelled it ‘zeroscaping’, which may actually work better in 22% 7% humidity - just don’t plant anything. It’ll only die on you.

FTFY

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:10:00pm

re: #344 teleskiguy

FTFY

Right. You said dew point, not RH.

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b.d.  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:14:09pm

Oh brother……they sure can dish it out but…..

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Winston_Smith  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:14:49pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

If at first you fail miserably…

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Did she get a new jacket. “Fuck you, I’m rich”?

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:15:08pm

re: #342 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaking of ‘be careful what you wish for…

Tough words from VP Pence in Brasilia today: He told Latin American nations: “Just as the United States Respects Your Borders and Your Sovereignty, We Insist That You Respect Ours.”

He better hope they’re more respectful of our sovereignty than we are and have always been of theirs.

Somebody needs to explain to him the origin of the phrase “banana republic”.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:16:25pm

re: #345 Blind Frog Belly White

Bone dry, it’s a tinder box out there. Another fire broke out near Glenwood Springs, CO, but was quickly doused with a helicopter.

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:17:47pm

re: #342 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaking of ‘be careful what you wish for…

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He better hope they’re more respectful of our sovereignty than we are and have always been of theirs.

“Or else what, pendejo? Our militaries are a lot better equipped than the Iraqis who sent you home to your mommies. You think you’re gonna launch coups against us like Guatemala or Chile? You been freebasing your boss’ Colombian snow.”

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:18:55pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

If at first you fail miserably…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:19:31pm

re: #349 teleskiguy

Bone dry, it’s a tinder box out there. Another fire broke out near Glenwood Springs, CO, but was quickly doused with a helicopter.

We had our own excitement here last Friday. A wildfire broke out across Bayshore Blvd. Luckily, the local FD’s were all over it quickly and it didn’t get across to the increasingly brown “golden” and dry Mount San Bruno.

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:20:50pm

re: #349 teleskiguy

Bone dry, it’s a tinder box out there. Another fire broke out near Glenwood Springs, CO, but was quickly doused with a helicopter.

On this side of the Divide, at your elevation, we’d been getting thunder with rain for the past week thanks to an early monsoon onset (though our plants are as dead as yours because just about everyplace from here to Anymouse’s place got at least one major hail event out of it). It’s dry again here; did you get any of the monsoon storms last week?

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Chrysicat  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:22:48pm

re: #353 Chrysicat

On this side of the Divide, at your elevation, we’d been getting thunder with rain for the past week thanks to an early monsoon onset (though our plants are as dead as yours because just about everyplace from here to Anymouse’s place got at least one major hail event out of it). It’s dry again here; did you get any of the monsoon storms last week?

Also, did you remember to drop off your ballot? Just leaving for the PD to take mine in as we speak…

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:23:37pm

re: #353 Chrysicat

On this side of the Divide, at your elevation, we’d been getting thunder with rain for the past week thanks to an early monsoon onset (though our plants are as dead as yours because just about everyplace from here to Anymouse’s place got at least one major hail event out of it). It’s dry again here; did you get any of the monsoon storms last week?

We got marginal rain, less than .5 inches. The San Juan Mountains fared better, some places got anywhere between .5 and 1.5 inches of rain. That significantly slowed the spread of the 416 Fire near Durango.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:24:05pm

re: #354 Chrysicat

Also, did you remember to drop off your ballot? Just leaving for the PD to take mine in as we speak…

Dropped it off last week.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:29:16pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:30:31pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:31:24pm

“…not incorrect.”

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:34:16pm
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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:36:23pm

I can’t stop thinking about the report about the kid trying to jump out the window.

Fucking monsters.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:37:16pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:40:03pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:40:54pm

re: #361 makeitstop

I can’t stop thinking about the report about the kid trying to jump out the window.

Fucking monsters.

Tent cities: No windows. Can’t even jump off the roof. If you could, you land in the sand.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:45:30pm
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VegasGolfer  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:46:07pm

To all the idiots on our side saying don’t harass the trump administration while eating, i say sure it can be handled in a different way.

Road Trip : French Toast Scene


Ps. I don’t endorse doing this, (although if they even think this might happen, thats good enough), i prefer vocal peaceful protests.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:48:22pm

re: #365 goddamnedfrank

That made me gut laugh, first one of the whole day. Thanks, man!

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:49:40pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

If at first you fail miserably…

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Other than the fact that photo of her is really scary, the whole thing is bullshit—she’s not going to facilities where the kids are who have been stripped from their parents (or at least she didn’t last week)

The facility in McAllen, Tex., is operated by Lutheran Social Services. Directors told the first lady that the more than 50 children housed there are ages 12 and older and that all but six had arrived at the border without their parents. That means they are not the toddlers and young children whose anguish at being recently separated from their families has fueled broad criticism of the administration.

It was a fucking photo op, complete with “Welcome First Lady” posters signed by kids with remarkably similar handwriting.

Fuck off, Melon. You are a bunch of fetid hot air.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:50:36pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

Tent cities: No windows. Can’t even jump off the roof. If you could, you land in the sand.

This happened in Manhattan.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:52:35pm

re: #369 makeitstop

I think she’s sarcastically trying to make the argument Trump will make for tent cities, rather than shutting down the whole separation thing.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:53:43pm

re: #369 makeitstop

This happened in Manhattan.

Yeah, I knew it wasn’t Tornillo, TX. That’s where they have tents. ONE with girls in it.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:54:06pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:54:47pm

3,844,267 registered voters in Colorado. Last I checked just under a million actually voted.

*sigh*

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austin_blue  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:55:11pm

re: #370 Belafon

I think she’s sarcastically trying to make the argument Trump will make for tent cities, rather than shutting down the whole separation thing.

Gee! Just like his pardoned good ol’ buddy Arpaio.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:56:05pm

re: #373 teleskiguy

Thats sad.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2018 • 4:57:31pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:02:14pm

re: #370 Belafon

I think she’s sarcastically trying to make the argument Trump will make for tent cities, rather than shutting down the whole separation thing.

We’ve been inflicting trauma on kids from south of us for years. Even on kids who were born here. I used to post a lot of Pages about it.

The first emergency phone call of the morning is the one that wakes her up, and Nora Sandigo, 48, answers one of the three phones she keeps within reach of her bed. “Hello. How can I help?” she says, because someone is always asking for her help. She gets up, pours herself coffee and takes down notes as she listens. “Sebastian. 12. U.S. citizen,” she writes. “Father deported. Mother detained. Drs appointment today, 2:45.”

“Okay, yes. I can do this,” she says, and soon she is in her minivan, sorting through a notebook that contains her to-do list for the day. She has to prepare lunch for 120 children, deliver school supplies to 13 others, drop five off at schools across greater Miami, help find housing for three, take two to doctor appointments, one to a psychologist and one to visit a parent detained for immigration violations.

[…]

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:05:15pm
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retired cynic  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:05:27pm

re: #377 wrenchwench

God bless her. She makes me feel like such a slacker.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:06:36pm

It seems weird, till you look back at how pretty much every protest movement has been received. Invariably, well-meaning people who are largely unaffected by what’s being protested urge those who are protesting to be ‘civil’, be polite, don’t rock the boat, don’t poke the bear, don’t make “them” angry. Like the people who say that black athletes should protest in some way that doesn’t reduce their enjoyment of the game.

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:07:49pm

re: #380 Blind Frog Belly White

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It seems weird, till you look back at how pretty much every protest movement has been received. Invariably, well-meaning people who are largely unaffected by what’s being protested urge those who are protesting to be ‘civil’, be polite, don’t rock the boat, don’t poke the bear, don’t make “them” angry. Like the people who say that black athletes should protest in some way that doesn’t reduce their enjoyment of the game.

Luntz made his name by doing exactly what he tells Democrats not to do- because it works. He’s screaming “Pay no attention to the winning tactic behind the curtain!”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:09:41pm

re: #182 dangerman

while my name may be spelled like others, the pronunciation is totally different ;-)

Ah, Mr LuxuryYacht.

Monty Python’s Flying Circus - Raymond Luxury Yacht

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:09:56pm

re: #379 retired cynic

God bless her. She makes me feel like such a slacker.

Nobody expect EVERY woman to take care of 800 kids.

Thank goodness.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:11:18pm

Well, at least someone at the NYT is thinking straight.

Whether or not you think public shaming should be happening, it’s important to understand why it’s happening. It’s less a result of a breakdown in civility than a breakdown of democracy. Though it’s tiresome to repeat it, Donald Trump eked out his minority victory with help from a hostile foreign power. He has ruled exclusively for his vengeful supporters, who love the way he terrifies, outrages and humiliates their fellow citizens. Trump installed the right-wing Neil Gorsuch in the Supreme Court seat that Republicans stole from Barack Obama. Gorsuch, in turn, has been the fifth vote in decisions on voter roll purges and, on Monday, racial gerrymandering that will further entrench minority rule.

All over the country, Republican members of Congress have consistently refused to so much as meet with many of the scared, furious citizens they ostensibly represent. A great many of these citizens are working tirelessly to take at least one house of Congress in the midterms — which will require substantially more than 50 percent of total votes, given structural Republican advantages — so that the country’s anti-Trump majority will have some voice in the federal government.

But unless and until that happens, millions and millions of Americans watch helplessly as the president cages children, dehumanizes immigrants, spurns other democracies, guts health care protections, uses his office to enrich himself and turns public life into a deranged phantasmagoria with his incontinent flood of lies. The civility police might point out that many conservatives hated Obama just as much, but that only demonstrates the limits of content-neutral analysis. The right’s revulsion against a black president targeted by birther conspiracy theories is not the same as the left’s revulsion against a racist president who spread birther conspiracy theories.

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:13:35pm

re: #384 makeitstop

Well, at least someone at the NYT is thinking straight.

Wow, there’s someone not cut out for the New Pyongyang Times.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:14:21pm
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CleverToad  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:14:27pm

re: #356 teleskiguy

Dropped it off last week.

Dropped mine off at 3 a.m. today, on my way back from the second airport run of the night. (It’s a long story…) I prefer putting my ballot directly in the box instead of mailing, but I have the luxury of at least three locations within easy reach.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:14:30pm

re: #380 Blind Frog Belly White

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It seems weird, till you look back at how pretty much every protest movement has been received. Invariably, well-meaning people who are largely unaffected by what’s being protested urge those who are protesting to be ‘civil’, be polite, don’t rock the boat, don’t poke the bear, don’t make “them” angry. Like the people who say that black athletes should protest in some way that doesn’t reduce their enjoyment of the game.

Oh shut up already.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:16:01pm

re: #387 CleverToad

Dropped mine off at 3 a.m. today, on my way back from the second airport run of the night. (It’s a long story…) I prefer putting my ballot directly in the box instead of mailing, but I have the luxury of at least three locations within easy reach.

Me too. The County building is 10 miles away, rode my bike 20 miles to drop my ballot off.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:17:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:19:30pm

re: #384 makeitstop

Well, at least someone at the NYT is thinking straight.

Best take I’ve seen from the NYT in awhile.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:20:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:21:16pm

re: #392 teleskiguy

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What a bunch of wusses.

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:21:36pm

re: #392 teleskiguy

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You cannot teach bigots and you should not reward them. Do the Democrats have the toughness to tell these guys when they ask for federal bailouts that they made their own beds and should lie in them?

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:26:33pm

Still early, but the BernieBro Brigade is getting a jump on its weekly concession speeches: Mel Hyman trails 59-41 in the SC-07 House runoff (Myrtle Beach area, very fringe target) while Connie Johnson trailes Drew Edmondson 68-32 in the Oklahoma governor’s primary. Most of their candidates this week are in Maryland, where the returns won’t come in until 9 PM EDT due to problems in a few Baltimore precincts.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:28:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:30:28pm

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

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No kidding. Luntz really should look at his own party instead of whining.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:30:48pm

re: #384 makeitstop

Well, at least someone at the NYT is thinking straight.

Good. I’m not nuts.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:31:52pm

re: #395 Brian J.

Still early, but the BernieBro Brigade is getting a jump on its weekly concession speeches: Mel Hyman trails 59-41 in the SC-07 House runoff (Myrtle Beach area, very fringe target) while Connie Johnson trailes Drew Edmondson 68-32 in the Oklahoma governor’s primary. Most of their candidates this week are in Maryland, where the returns won’t come in until 9 PM EDT due to problems in a few Baltimore precincts.

I was just getting ready to post the SC—Here’s the guy Mal Hyman is losing to:

msnbc.com

Ugh—although we weren’t going to win that seat anyway.

McMaster, the yam’s BFF is leading by 11 points with 43% in. Rumor has it (and some polling), our candidate, James Smith, actually prefers running against Henry as he has some skeletons and his opponent is a businessman who’s never run for office. We shall see…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:31:56pm

Well, really, he didn’t so much run on the tariffs as he ran on magically bending the universe to his will so that everyone they hate was punished for existing and nobody they liked suffered any consequences of it. It’s like promising to repeal the law of gravity - you’d have to be an idiot to believe it.

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retired cynic  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:32:00pm

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

I should not be making comments about looks, but good LORD, what an awful expression to put in place as speaking for our government. The looks she can’t help but the expression is so sullen and unpleasant.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:32:17pm

re: #392 teleskiguy

These trump cult followers would happily lose their jobs and have to eat out of dumpsters and would still praise this conman.

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b.d.  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:33:04pm

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

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We’ve followed all of their call for kindness suggestions in the past and now look at where the hell we are now!

Time to try something else, let the one sided only civility dinosaurs step aside for once.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:33:31pm

re: #402 VegasGolfer

These trump cult followers would happily lose their jobs and have to eat out of dumpsters and would still praise this conman.

Only as long as the blacks and browns were denied access to the dumpsters.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:34:09pm

re: #400 Blind Frog Belly White

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Well, really, he didn’t so much run on the tariffs as he ran on magically bending the universe to his will so that everyone they hate was punished for existing and nobody they liked suffered any consequences of it. It’s like promising to repeal the law of gravity - you’d have to be an idiot to believe it.

Why isn’t she being civil?//

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b.d.  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:35:06pm

re: #402 VegasGolfer

These trump cult followers would happily lose their jobs and have to eat out of dumpsters and would still praise this conman.

They’ll be plenty of camp guard jobs opening up that they’ll gladly take. While they’re there they can blame the brown children for them losing their good jobs too.

It’s a 2fer.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:35:49pm

re: #404 Blind Frog Belly White

Only as long as the blacks and browns were denied access to the dumpsters.

Sure I may be eating out of a dumpster but at least I don’t have to share it with one of those people!//

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:36:36pm

re: #402 VegasGolfer

These trump cult followers would happily lose their jobs and have to eat out of dumpsters and would still praise this conman.

That’s the effect when someone gets too economically and/or emotionally invested in a con, they hope against all hope it’s real.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:37:08pm

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Didn’t Trump literally run on temper tantrums (calling people names, bullying, threatening protesters with violence, etc.)? I must have dreamed that he ran as a tyrant.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:38:17pm

I am all out of fucks and I can’t find any, anywhere. Not even gonna look.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:40:35pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:41:26pm

This new missive from Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative” is deranged alternate world stuff even by his standards.

Facebook Post

His average reader, though, probably thinks a communist is something like a Muslim, but with booze and naked feminists rather than burqas.
Lopez Obrador has been a familiar figure in Mexican politics for over 30 years. As mayor of Mexico City he hired none other than Rudy Giuliani to design a plan for reducing crime. Needless to say he does not resemble a communist in any rational sense.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:43:40pm

SE Cupp Unmasked: “We can’t control the Trump people, so we’re just going to get out of the way and hope for the best.”

Tom Nichols Deep Thoughts: “Yup!”

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EPR-radar  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:44:49pm

re: #412 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Hating Trump is the most perfectly rational thing to be found in politics. It’s like an axiom for reality based political science — nothing can be deduced until hatred of Trump and all his works is adopted.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:45:06pm

re: #408 Teukka

That’s the effect when someone gets too economically and/or emotionally invested in a con, they hope against all hope it’s real.

The alternatives are too much for some people to admit and bear:
- I was wrong
- I was conned

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:45:33pm

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Sure I may be eating out of a dumpster but at least I don’t have to share it with one of those people!//

Sign: “White Dumpster Only”

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:46:08pm

re: #415 dangerman

The alternatives are too much for some people to admit and bear:
- I was wrong
- I was conned

- I was complicit in treason.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:48:25pm

re: #392 teleskiguy

I swear that some of these Trump supporters must be getting $$$ from him under the table. Otherwise their support for someone who is literally hurting their economic interests is inexplicable.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:50:11pm

re: #408 Teukka

That’s the effect when someone gets too economically and/or emotionally invested in a con, they hope against all hope it’s real.

Or when someone gets in over their head in a casino, they go for broke in hopes that for once the house doesn’t win.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:50:57pm

re: #363 teleskiguy

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Exactly. The travel ban makes no sense no matter how you look at it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:51:17pm

re: #418 Patricia Kayden

Remember if you convince these white racists they are better than the minorities, they will help those in power pick their pockets. Power of hate.

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dangerman  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:51:38pm

re: #418 Patricia Kayden

I swear that some of these Trump supporters must be getting $$$ from him under the table. Otherwise their support for someone who is literally hurting their economic interests is inexplicable.

Economic anxiety my ass.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:52:04pm

re: #418 Patricia Kayden

I swear that some of these Trump supporters must be getting $$$ from him under the table. Otherwise their support for someone who is literally hurting their economic interests is inexplicable.

Not at all. They simply don’t believe they’re having economic trouble. Everything they hear tells them their economy is great. And if anything that they think is bad happens, they know it’s the fault of Democrats and brown people.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:52:50pm

Look these guys would rather keep everyone down than elevate a black man or welcome an immigrant family. That’s the heart of the problem. Hate.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:53:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:53:28pm

re: #418 Patricia Kayden

I swear that some of these Trump supporters must be getting $$$ from him under the table. Otherwise their support for someone who is literally hurting their economic interests is inexplicable.

Don’t underestimate how he’s the first President that really comes out and shares their shared hatreds.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:53:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:54:12pm

re: #424 Unshaken Defiance

Look these guys would rather keep everyone down than elevate a black man of welcome an immigrant family. That’s the heart of the problem. Hate.

That’s the hard truth of it. And a lot of people on the left don’t want to acknowledge that unfortunately because it would get in the way of how they’ve analyzed politics as purely class driven conflict.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:54:41pm

re: #423 Renaissance_Man

But the Harley Davidson employees have lost their jobs directly because of Trump’s tariffs. Yet they’re still singing his praises. How dumb are these people? They must be getting something from his presidency that the rest of us can’t see.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:54:52pm

re: #424 Unshaken Defiance

Look these guys would rather keep everyone down than elevate a black man or welcome an immigrant family. That’s the heart of the problem. Hate.

And fear. They’re afraid their position at the top of the pyramid will be endangered. Obama winning the presidency was the most recent trigger. 9/11 was the other trigger.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:56:30pm

re: #426 HappyWarrior

But you can’t eat hatred. Arghhhhh!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:56:35pm

re: #430 wheat-dogg

And fear. They’re afraid their position at the top of the pyramid will be endangered. Obama winning the presidency was the most recent trigger. 9/11 was the other trigger.

As UD got by paraphrasing LBJ, you convince a poor white man he’s better than the poor man of color, he’ll let you rob him and then ask for seconds. It’s exactly why so many whites have gone to the right since the Democratic Party started believing in the promises of the New Deal and Great Society for all regardless of race, ethnicity, or national origin.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 5:56:53pm

re: #431 Patricia Kayden

But you can’t eat hatred. Arghhhhh!!

I know you can’t but don’t underestimate it.

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:02:07pm

re: #412 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

López Obrador is the candidate in the 2018 presidential race for “Juntos Haremos Historia,” a coalition between the left-wing Labor Party, right-wing Social Encounter Party, and MORENA. He has proposed increases in financial aid for students and the elderly, amnesty for some drug war criminals,[12] universal access to public colleges[13], cancellation of the under-construction New Mexico City International Airport,[14] a referendum over an energy reform that ended Pemex’s monopoly in the oil industry,[15] stimulation of the country’s agricultural sector, delay of the renegotiations of NAFTA until after the elections,[16][12] building of more oil refineries, increased spending for welfare, cutting of politicians’ salaries to avoid debt spending or higher taxes[17] and decentralization of the executive cabinet by moving Secretaries from the capital to states.[18] Polls show him as the leading candidate.[19][20][21][22][23][24]

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:02:20pm

re: #429 Patricia Kayden

But the Harley Davidson employees have lost their jobs directly because of Trump’s tariffs. Yet they’re still singing his praises. How dumb are these people? They must be getting something from his presidency that the rest of us can’t see.

They haven’t lost them just yet. When they do, and when DT doesn’t rescue them, then is when they might turn against him. Being dimwits, they’re likely to decide that the whole system is against them (only the one you aligned yourselves with, dumbasses) and stay home on election days. Or so one may hope — something like this has happened in the past.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:02:40pm

Polls are closed in Colorado.

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:03:17pm

re: #435 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

They haven’t lost them just yet. When they do, and when DT doesn’t rescue them, then is when they might turn against him. Being dimwits, they’re likely to decide that the whole system is against them (only the one you aligned yourselves with, dumbasses) and stay home on election days. Or so one may hope — something like this has happened in the past.

Nope. Not unless they’re literally starving, and even that usually isn’t enough.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:03:29pm

re: #434 gocart mozart

He sounds like a standard left of center type candidate so of course that idiot May would label him a communist.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:05:32pm

re: #429 Patricia Kayden

But the Harley Davidson employees have lost their jobs directly because of Trump’s tariffs. Yet they’re still singing his praises. How dumb are these people? They must be getting something from his presidency that the rest of us can’t see.

Well, they get the feeling of freedom to express the hatred they learn from FOX in public.

These people aren’t any dumber than normal. They just watch a lot of FOX. People can be convinced of anything. They can be convinced that their job loss is for another reason. They can be convinced that Democrats and brown people took their job. They can be convinced that their job loss is a good thing. They can be convinced that they didn’t actually lose their job at all, if they are deeply indoctrinated into the cult.

This is just one of many reasons that there is no point trying to reach a Trumper. Nor is there any point changing your behaviour, civil or otherwise, out of concern that it will energise or anger Trumpers. Reality has no bearing on what Trumpers think, believe, or do. Nothing does, except their Facebook posts, their Youtube videos, and FOX.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:06:22pm

re: #431 Patricia Kayden

But you can’t eat hatred. Arghhhhh!!

And yet, they need hate more than air.

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:07:34pm

“López Obrador is the candidate in the 2018 presidential race for “Juntos Haremos Historia,”a coalition between the left-wing Labor Party, right-wing Social Encounter Party, and MORENA.”

Look, the “commie” is teaming up with the fundies

en.wikipedia.org

The Social Encounter Party was founded in 2006 by Dr. Hugo Eric Flores Cervantes, a pastor of a Neo-Pentecostal church that supported Felipe Calderón in the 2006 presidential election.[3] …
The PES tends to include many strands of Christian humanist thinking and is generally socially conservative, though Flores has stated that it is a “family” party.[4] [20] The Baja California state party uses a stylized ichthus in its logo, which is not used by the national organization.[1]

The party characterizes itself as the “party of the family”. It opposes same-sex marriage and was responsible for reforms to the Baja California constitution in 2008 that established marriage as “between one man and one woman”.[5] In 2015, the PES gubernatorial candidate in the state of San Luis Potosí compared homosexuality to drug trafficking and violence.[21] Likewise, it opposes abortion and pornographic magazines.[6]

Other proposals made by the PES include shifting the collection of value-added tax to the states instead of the federal government and consolidating it with income tax.[22]

Unlike other Mexican parties, PES expresses outright support for Israeli settlements on the West Bank.[23]

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:08:24pm

re: #432 HappyWarrior

As UD got by paraphrasing LBJ, you convince a poor white man he’s better than the poor man of color, he’ll let you rob him and then ask for seconds. It’s exactly why so many whites have gone to the right since the Democratic Party started believing in the promises of the New Deal and Great Society for all regardless of race, ethnicity, or national origin.

He said that at a time when you could support yourself on the minimum wage, when you’re could own a house and put your kids through school on one income, and when factory jobs were union. And when whites wanted to keep “those people” from having those benefits. In other words, when “poor” whites were doing pretty well for themselves. When the pinch really comes, this may not work as well as it did in the past. We’ll see….

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b.d.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:08:26pm

Shocking!!

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:09:30pm

re: #434 gocart mozart

Any way we can swing a trade?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:09:37pm

re: #437 Brian J.

Nope. Not unless they’re literally starving, and even that usually isn’t enough.

They turned against Bush in 2008.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:09:58pm

re: #427 teleskiguy

Absolute truth. I actually met Nicaragua’s infamous Anastasio Somoza. He was a charming and erudite man in person, considerate and thoughtful well beyond what most of us would think of as the requirements of political status. He was also vastly knowledgeable about a wide range of subjects. If you went only by personal impression, it would be impossible to believe that he was a mass murderer, a thief, and a torturer. But he was.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:10:15pm

re: #418 Patricia Kayden

I swear that some of these Trump supporters must be getting $$$ from him under the table. Otherwise their support for someone who is literally hurting their economic interests is inexplicable.

Maybe promised dollars, but Trump never sends the checks.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:10:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:13:42pm

re: #442 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

He said that at a time when you could support yourself on the minimum wage, when you’re could own a house and put your kids through school on one income, and when factory jobs were union. And when whites wanted to keep “those people” from having those benefits. In other words, when “poor” whites were doing pretty well for themselves. When the pinch really comes, this may not work as well as it did in the past. We’ll see….

I hope you’re right about that.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:14:13pm
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:15:39pm

re: #447 Feline Fearless Leader

Maybe promised dollars, but Trump never sends the checks.

And people like these would probably eat the money rather than spend it—the common clay of the new west Staten Island, you know…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:15:43pm

re: #450 Patricia Kayden

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Actual Republicans have said far worse than Maxine Waters did, you stupid toad including the President you suck off.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:16:19pm

re: #451 BeachDem

And people like these would probably eat the money rather than spend it—the common clay of the new west Staten Island, you know…

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These are teh same people who were adamant that Obama was a thug.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:18:51pm

re: #449 HappyWarrior

I hope you’re right about that.

Me too. But even the Fox-brainwashed will look elsewhere for solutions to their problems when FN tells them everything in their lives is getting better and it clearly isn’t. The USSR had one of the best propaganda machines ever, and it didn’t withstand the crisis of the eighties.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:19:24pm

re: #446 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Absolute truth. I actually met Nicaragua’s infamous Anastasio Somoza. He was a charming and erudite man in person, considerate and thoughtful well beyond what most of us would think of as the requirements of political status. He was also vastly knowledgeable about a wide range of subjects. If you went only by personal impression, it would be impossible to believe that he was a mass murderer, a thief, and a torturer. But he was.

As a senior in High School, a new student arrived from Nicaragua. His father had been an economist for the Samosa regime but was considered too leftist. He fled with his family to Florida and began working as an economist for the Sandinistas. The boys snuck back and fought for them as well. After the revolution he fled again since by this point he was a “counter-revolutionary”. Well, that spring I got to take Econ 101 at the University as a HS student. Guess who was the teacher teaching us Supply Side economics and guess who was the student giving Marxist answers back. He did give me an A for the course :)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:19:25pm

Not the usual view in Pennsylvania.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:19:42pm

Well, McMaster’s been declared the winner in the SC-gov Rep. runoff, but only up by 7 with 84% in. You’d think with his BFF rallying for him and doing robocalls (shudder) he’d have won by 11ty million points.

New data—up 4 points with 85% in (still the winner, but those aren’t very yamlike numbers)

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:20:10pm

I need a drink. Bottoms up. Lil Sumpin #2. 7.5% alch. Wheee.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:21:05pm

re: #446 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I thought of a good description for Somoza in person: Imagine the Dos Equis beer commerical’s Most Interesting Man in the World character when he was 20 years younger.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:25:15pm

re: #431 Patricia Kayden

But you can’t eat hatred. Arghhhhh!!

But hate can eat you.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:27:50pm

re: #458 Unshaken Defiance

I need a drink. Bottoms up. Lil Sumpin #2. 7.5% alch. Wheee.

Modus Hoperandi from Ska Brewing. 6.8% ABV.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:28:26pm

re: #456 Feline Fearless Leader

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Not the usual view in Pennsylvania.

Nice. Where is that?

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:29:12pm

Attorney General for Colorado Democratic party primary is dead even right now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:30:03pm

re: #463 teleskiguy

Attorney General for Colorado Democratic party primary is dead even right now.

Your candidate winning?

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:30:42pm

Early returns have Liuba Shirley leading for the chance to unseat Peter King (R-IRA). Go, Liuba!

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:31:05pm

re: #463 teleskiguy

Attorney General for Colorado Democratic party primary is dead even right now.

Neither one is winning, it’s dead even.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:31:08pm

re: #461 teleskiguy

Modus Hoperandi from Ska Brewing. 6.8% ABV.

Love the name.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:31:26pm

re: #462 ObserverArt

Nice. Where is that?

Hurricane Ridge in Olympic Nat Park. About 17 miles south of Port Angeles. I was there last week as part of a two week vacation in British Columbia, Washington, and Oregon. Hiking and walking on beaches for the most part. Plus drinking a lot of beer and eating a lot of seafood.

Might have made a terrible mistake today though. In a hotel just south of Seattle since I have to return the rental car to SeaTac tomorrow and start catching flights to get back to the East Coast. Two freight trains have gone by blowing horns in the past hour - tracks are about 50 yards away. Like something from “My Cousin Vinny.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:31:40pm

re: #466 teleskiguy

Neither one is winning, it’s dead even.

Wow. Both solid candidates I hope.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:32:00pm

re: #467 Unshaken Defiance

Love the name.

Damn cool can, too!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:32:05pm

I had a Son of a Peach 5.8% or so with dinner. I like the wheat beers in the summer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:32:23pm

re: #457 BeachDem

Well, McMaster’s been declared the winner in the SC-gov Rep. runoff, but only up by 7 with 84% in. You’d think with his BFF rallying for him and doing robocalls (shudder) he’d have won by 11ty million points.

New data—up 4 points with 85% in (still the winner, but those aren’t very yamlike numbers)

The moron will still tweet in the morning that it was a YUGE win and act like there’s no need to have a general election in November.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:33:29pm

In NY house races, Carolyn Maloney is holding off her challenger by 14 points with 77% of the vote it; Crowley is losing to his challenger by 15 points with 81% in; and Grimm is losing to Donovan by about 30 points with 90+ in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:34:13pm
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MsJ  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:35:12pm

re: #460 Backwoods_Sleuth

But hate can eat you.

Not if you have no soul.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:35:18pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:35:23pm

So far in my congressional district, Republicans are outvoting Democrats almost three to one.

*sigh*

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:35:49pm

re: #473 BeachDem

In NY house races, Carolyn Maloney is holding off her challenger by 14 points with 77% of the vote it; Crowley is losing to his challenger by 15 points with 81% in; and Grimm is losing to Donovan by about 30 points with 90+ in.

Good seeing Grimm losing. He needs to go away.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:35:59pm

re: #471 HappyWarrior

I had a Son of a Peach 5.8% or so with dinner. I like the wheat beers in the summer.

That sounds good. The wife just loves Rekorderlig, pear cider. Tall glass lots of ice.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:36:15pm

My favorite thing is seeing Trump supporters act like they respected President Obama. I’ll admit it here. I didn’t always respect President Bush especially in the first term but you know what, I was damn mad over the Iraq War. What the hell did Obama to anger the right? Acknowledge that America is a place for all regardless of religion or lack of religion, ditto sexuality.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:36:23pm

re: #475 MsJ

Not if you have no soul.

That’s when it has already eaten.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:36:32pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:37:14pm

re: #477 teleskiguy

So far in my congressional district, Republicans are outvoting Democrats almost three to one.

*sigh*

I take this back. Right now a few thousand more Democrats have voted than Republicans. YAY!

Man, election results are so fluid when ballots are mailed to you!

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:38:04pm

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

The moron will still tweet in the morning that it was a YUGE win and act like there’s no need to have a general election in November.

Of course he will (if over-confidence will keep him from fouling my air and phone line, all’s the better.) And he’ll take great credit for Donovan thrashing the convict in NY

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:38:16pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is it quite like Cantor? Cantor was number 2 in the majority party. Crowley is leadership but he’s number 4 in the minority party. Anyhow. I don’t know enough to say whether this is good or bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:38:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:39:21pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Keep it up Chelsea!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:40:33pm
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Belafon  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:41:54pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We want to take care of whites but Democrats only want to take care of everyone. Such hypocrites.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:42:01pm
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:42:30pm

And in big Maryland news, Chelsea Manning just went over 10,000 votes (Cardin currently has about 172,000)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:42:33pm

em>re: #490 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well duh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:43:29pm

re: #485 HappyWarrior

Is it quite like Cantor? Cantor was number 2 in the majority party. Crowley is leadership but he’s number 4 in the minority party. Anyhow. I don’t know enough to say whether this is good or bad.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:44:40pm

Turnout in Colorado is still really low tonight, barely 30%.

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b.d.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:44:49pm

re: #491 BeachDem

And in big Maryland news, Chelsea Manning just went over 10,000 votes (Cardin currently has about 172,000)

Can this be the last we hear of Manning please?

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Ferdinand  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:45:06pm

re: #456 Feline Fearless Leader

Just over the bridge from me, on the Kitsap peninsula.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:45:12pm

re: #495 b.d.

Can this be the last we hear of Manning please?

I hope so but I’m afraid not.

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fern01  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:45:32pm

Just listened to Rachel, so now the Supreme Court is also in trump’s pocket. Looking like Russia and China and the Philippines. Waiting for term limits to disappear. Declaring a state of emergency followed by a proclamation

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:45:39pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you, Chelsea!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:45:47pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:47:29pm

re: #490 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good to hear. I really appreciate how responsive he is whenever I email him about a pressing issue. Both of my Senators are great guys.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:47:38pm

re: #496 Ferdinand

Just over the bridge from me, on the Kitsap peninsula.

I drove through there going between SeaTac and Port Angeles. Came back the long way round via Oregon.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:47:54pm

re: #477 teleskiguy

So far in my congressional district, Republicans are outvoting Democrats almost three to one.

*sigh*

My wife and I voted at about 6:30, and we were number 14 and 15 all day.

Dems better wake the fuck up.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:48:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:48:56pm

re: #501 Patricia Kayden

Good to hear. I really appreciate how responsive he is whenever I email him about a pressing issue. Both of my Senators are great guys.

I really like Van Hollen. Maybe not future Pres material but a foreign policy whiz.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:49:08pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:49:52pm

re: #493 Backwoods_Sleuth

So does that mean Bernie got a win?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:49:55pm

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But was he civil?//

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Brian J.  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:50:22pm

re: #485 HappyWarrior

Is it quite like Cantor? Cantor was number 2 in the majority party. Crowley is leadership but he’s number 4 in the minority party. Anyhow. I don’t know enough to say whether this is good or bad.

Sounds nothing but bad to me. Five more months of BernieBro screeching and this Ocasio woman joining the “Democrats are evil” chorus. Thanks a lot.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:50:58pm

re: #503 makeitstop

My wife and I voted at about 6:30, and we were number 14 and 15 all day.

Dems better wake the fuck up.

They’ve had since 2016. I guess it hasn’t gotten bad enough yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:51:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:52:36pm

re: #509 Brian J.

Sounds nothing but bad to me. Five more months of BernieBro screeching and this Ocasio woman joining the “Democrats are evil” chorus. Thanks a lot.

My understanding is that changing demographics played a role here.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:53:08pm

re: #511 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But Sotomayor hates Christians.//

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:54:16pm

re: #346 b.d.

Oh brother……they sure can dish it out but…..

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Elizabeth Landers

@ElizLanders
Me + @acosta confirm: @WhiteHouse press secretary Sarah Sanders is expected to receive Secret Service protection as soon as Wednesday, 2 sources familiar tell @CNN, but they did not specify when or how long it will last

So does that mean that the SS is going to force the restaurant to serve her even if they don’t want her there?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2018 • 6:56:15pm

re: #514 stpaulbear

So does that mean that the SS is going to force the restaurant to serve her even if they don’t want her there?

Definitely seems to be an intimidation play imo.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:00:16pm

re: #510 Winston_Smith

They’ve had since 2016. I guess it hasn’t gotten bad enough yet.

To be fair, we went at dinner time. A lot of Long Islanders work in the city, and their trains don’t even get out here until almost 7:00. I was surprised there wasn’t more turnout earlier, though.

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retired cynic  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:10:53pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

She’s getting a little less “passive” with her aggression. Good!

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retired cynic  Jun 26, 2018 • 7:13:59pm

re: #504 Single-handed sailor

Speaking of nasty faces representing the US: that’ll do it!

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:42:36pm
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austin_blue  Jun 26, 2018 • 8:53:02pm

re: #488 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It used to happen two or three times a century. Much more common now.


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