Joe Bonamassa’s Brilliant New Video: “REDEMPTION”

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The whole track is killer, but these background singers are insanely great, folks.

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Check out the new video of the single “Redemption” from blues-rock titan Joe Bonamassa’s upcoming studio album. Featuring Anton Fig (drums), Reese Wynans (keys), Michael Rhodes (bass), Mahalia Barnes, Juanita Tippins, and Jade MacRae (backup vocals). The audio was produced by Kevin “Caveman” Shirley. The videos were shot by Saskia Töpfer and edited by Philippe Klose. This recording took place at Criteria Studios in Miami, FL.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:04:30pm
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nines09  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:06:46pm

He’s a genius. A national treasure. He throws gems together like this in the studio, then goes on the road and not only pulls it off, it sounds better.
Rare talent. Rare man.
An Oasis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:10:01pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:10:34pm

From downstairs
Shits gettin real serious. Whats your Resistance Curriculum Vitae?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:12:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:15:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:15:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:18:04pm
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Cheechako  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:18:54pm

It’s going to be a very, very long, hot summer. And it’s not even past the 4th of July.

Let’s recognize what’s done is done and start moving forward again to fix the evils in this country. It’s even a longer row to hoe than it was yesterday or the days before. But it can be done.

The major issue coming up is the results of Mueller’s investigations(s). When he releases the future indictments could be critical to the elections this fall. If Mueller has to wait beyond Labor Day the whole investigation will be tainted as an effort to influence the election. So, the sooner the better. Unfortunately, every day exposes new avenues for Mueller to follow. At some point he’s going to have to say this is it and head into Court.

Mueller’s investigation will charge many of the trump cabal and maybe some members of Congress. By “Following the Money”, Mueller may find a lot of politicians may have benefitted from Russian “donations”. Many of these donations were probably hidden from the individual politicians but they are still responsible. Whether the public accepts these explanations is another question.

Don’t forget or overlook the power of the people. Look what happened after the 1st travel ban. Overnight the people were in the street protesting. And decent Judges stopped it.

There still are decent, honest Judges working for all Americans at both the State and Federal level. They will do what they can within the limits of current laws. Don’t despise all Judges.

I do predict there will be several nation-wide public out in the streets demonstrations this summer. There are just so many important issues to protest.

See ‘ya in the streets

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:19:25pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:21:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:22:19pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:22:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:23:13pm

Stranded on the last thread because I am slow:

re: #541 Unshaken Defiance

Shits gettin real serious. Whats your Resistance Curriculum Vitae?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:23:43pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:25:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:29:17pm

so where was tonight’s rally held? Was it larger than the high school gym in South Carolina the other night?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:29:43pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

Stranded on the last thread because I am slow:

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:30:45pm

Trump: “A slovenly man named Joe Crowley got his ass kicked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:31:36pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:34:10pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

What, somebody cut his mic?

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thecommodore  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:35:40pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Her “A Block” just now was very good. Worth a look on the re-run, or when it comes to the MSNBC website.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:36:23pm
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TedStriker  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:36:27pm

re: #16 gocart mozart

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“I have the money to have you killed by somebody who has nothing
I’m past bluffing, pass the K-Y,
Let’s get ready for some intense, serious ass-fucking!”
- Eminem

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:37:35pm
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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:38:41pm

I’m going to get the perma ban from twitter, it’s but a matter of time. I will have a sad, but really it will improve my mental health.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:39:21pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

From downstairs
Shits gettin real serious. Whats your Resistance Curriculum Vitae?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:40:07pm
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Varek Raith  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:40:39pm

I need sleep.
Hopefully this isn’t the ‘GAME OVER MAN’ I currently think it is.
Sigh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:41:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:42:50pm
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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:45:00pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:45:03pm

re: #18 Unshaken Defiance

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:45:23pm

O_o

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:46:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:48:14pm

Another person who hasn’t read the constitution. It refers to “people” and nothing else.

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:49:04pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:49:15pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:50:36pm

re: #27 MsJ

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re: #27 MsJ

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:51:02pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

Uh… I can sew.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:51:08pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

People have been criticizing this administration for not helping Puerto Rico more. Here we can see why this administration could not have done any better. Total lack of planning. No logistical support. No supply chains. Just put the Fearless Leader’s edicts into effect immediately with no preparation for what that might mean in practical terms.

On a side note, I’m glad there’s a new thread, because the last one was so long that Opera was not letting me scroll down the comments.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:51:41pm

re: #40 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Uh… I can sew.

My wife can sew and knit. I can hold my arms out to wind a skein of yarn …

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:52:33pm

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹

My wife can sew and knit. I can hold my arms out to wind a skein of yarn …

Now that you mention it, I can knit too.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:53:42pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is convinced that the entire investigation into “collusion” is an effort by Hillary and “13 Democrats” to discredit the election.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:57:17pm

re: #32 William Lewis

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:58:29pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 27, 2018 • 6:58:41pm

knit too, purl two.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:00:14pm

re: #37 plansbandc

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:00:27pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

That actually looks like a lot of damn good ideas to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:00:36pm
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Weaselone  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:01:16pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also support seniors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:01:57pm
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A Mom Anon  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:03:43pm

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:05:56pm

re: #45 Unshaken Defiance

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:06:08pm
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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:06:35pm

For anyone considering resistance…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:07:51pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:09:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:10:31pm

welp

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:11:11pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MAGA! This is the point where I remind everyone that this is literally exactly the response when one of my wingnut FB friends was asked when America was last great.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:11:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:13:12pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:14:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:14:21pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:14:24pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

From downstairs
Shits gettin real serious. Whats your Resistance Curriculum Vitae?

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:15:55pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:16:49pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

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“Make America Great Again movement.”

Fascism exchanged red armbands for red ballcaps.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:17:45pm

In case you wondered why Donald Trump thinks his hair is so great. It’s his Hitler mustache, his unique “look”, his signature.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:18:40pm

re: #66 Kragar

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A rich white guy with connections to the levers of power treating a platform aimed at elevating the average man as a major negative.

Quelle surprise.////

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:19:38pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:20:37pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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The “man of the working class,” ladies and gentlemen.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:22:19pm

I admit, I am the closest I have ever been to despairing. Just now, the totality of the damage this freak and his enablers have done - are doing - will continue to do has sunk in. And it sucks. But you know what? I’m still not giving in. I refuse to walk the dark road. I still have hope that we can eventually fix this, that we’ll come out of this with new checks and balances to prevent Donald J. Trump from ever happening to this country again. No doom-and-gloom from the fishbowl, no ma’am. Just a giant middle finger extended in the general direction of Washington, D.C.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:22:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:22:45pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:23:21pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

When I finally retire next year, I’m going to save a lot of money not traveling to any states that aren’t MN, CO, and the west and east coasts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:23:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:24:25pm

re: #72 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I admit, I am the closest I have ever been to despairing. Just now, the totality of the damage this freak and his enablers have done - are doing - will continue to do has sunk in. And it sucks. But you know what? I’m still not giving in. I refuse to walk the dark road. I still have hope that we can eventually fix this, that we’ll come out of this with new checks and balances to prevent Donald J. Trump from ever happening to this country again. No doom-and-gloom from the fishbowl, no ma’am. Just a giant middle finger extended in the general direction of Washington, D.C.

Damn straight. I don’t look very good groveling on my knees anyway.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:24:41pm

re: #72 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I can’t give up. Most of my immediate family are women, including two middle-school-aged nieces. I’ll do as much as I can because I want those girls to be women in a society that gives them bodily autonomy and equal opportunity.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:25:04pm

David Simon is drunk

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ipsos  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:25:23pm

re: #75 stpaulbear

When I finally retire next year, I’m going to save a lot of money not traveling to any states that aren’t MN, CO, and the west and east coasts.

I like putting money into the blue places, even in red states. I won’t stop spending in Nashville and Austin and Ann Arbor and Bloomington and Iowa City and Madison.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:26:26pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:28:14pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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He’s rambling more and more. It’s a weird form of stream of consciousness from the addled brain of a classic narcissist.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:28:25pm

Great Great Grandpa Bacon did not give up when he put his life on the line running a station on the Underground Railroad.

Great Grandpa Bacon did not give up when he was an activist/organizer with the IWW.

Grandpa and Grandma Bacon did not give up when the Coal and Iron Police broke into their home and beat them for organizing the United Steelworkers Union

Dad did not give up when his right arm was crushed. He underwent multiple surgeries to put his arm back together.

I will not give up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:28:27pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:30:21pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹

Damn straight. I don’t look very good groveling on my knees anyway.

I figure, in a Little Bighorn situation, I’m going to die either way. Better to go down swinging and leave a legacy for my kids to be proud of, to say that their father stood against the darkness until the end. And if I’m lucky, they’ll get to enjoy a better world.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:32:07pm

It’s time for some Jimmy Cliff!

Jimmy Cliff - The Harder They Come

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:32:38pm

I WOULD RATHER HAVE A HOT CAKE THAN THIS HOT TAKE

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:33:45pm

re: #66 Kragar

What’s the problem with her platform? It doesn’t include “Selling the country to Putin”?

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:33:49pm

re: #86 Joe Bacon 🌹

Shit, it’s time for SLAYER.

Chemical Warfare (Live At The Orange Pavilion / 1991)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:34:44pm
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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:35:15pm

I spent an hour and a half escaping from reality by reading Ana Mardoll’s live-tweets of “Prairie Fires,” a biography of Laura Ingalls Wilder (yes, of the Little House books) and Rose Wilder Lane by Caroline Fraser. Mardoll gathered her tweets and posted them on her blog here:

anamardoll.com (there are several posts)

Anyway, Wilder and Lane, they were both pieces of work, horrible pieces of work who were big on pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and anti-tax and anti-government. But they didn’t tell the truth about their history and they misled people into believing you could be a small farmer on the prairie and make it, when in point of fact, you can’t. Mardoll’s tweets also explained who Roger McBride was (the guy who inherited Lane’s estate)—he was one of Lane’s “young men.” (And yeah, it’s as skeevy as you can imagine.) But it’s important because Lane is one of the founding mothers of American Libertarianism with Ayn Rand and Isabel Peterson, but, like so many Libertarians, they were such egotists they couldn’t work together.

“Prairie Fires” won the Pulitzer Prize for biography in 2018. I’m trying to decide if I want to read it, because Wilder and Lane come off as thoroughly awful people and I’m not sure I’ve got it in me for a hate read, not after today.

Here’s a link if you’re interested: amazon.com

And yeah, in its own special way, it does relate to what’s happening in the present day, because a lot of our MYTHS about stalwart white people settling the prairie came from Laura Ingalls Wilder and Rose Wilder Lane. And it’s pretty much lies, myths and fantasies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:35:21pm

re: #82 ObserverArt

He’s rambling more and more. It’s a weird form of stream of consciousness from the addled brain of a classic narcissist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:36:04pm
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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:38:03pm

re: #72 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I admit, I am the closest I have ever been to despairing. Just now, the totality of the damage this freak and his enablers have done - are doing - will continue to do has sunk in. And it sucks. But you know what? I’m still not giving in. I refuse to walk the dark road. I still have hope that we can eventually fix this, that we’ll come out of this with new checks and balances to prevent Donald J. Trump from ever happening to this country again. No doom-and-gloom from the fishbowl, no ma’am. Just a giant middle finger extended in the general direction of Washington, D.C.

I understand.

Let me offer this quote from an even worse time in our history…

It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:38:24pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:39:36pm

Well I got my u haul today. The load in is tomorrow morning. I’m glad for the stressful distraction.

Note I’ll be on the road on the 30th, but I have 5 protest posters at the ready.

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CleverToad  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:39:38pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

From downstairs
Shits gettin real serious. Whats your Resistance Curriculum Vitae?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:39:38pm

re: #94 William Lewis

I understand.

Let me offer this quote from an even worse time in our history…

That is one of my favorite parts of that speech. Thank you. I am also reminded of this quote from across the pond:

Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves so that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, ‘This was their finest hour.’

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:40:20pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Charles P. Pierce

@CharlesPPierce
Stop arguing that stupid sauce-for-the-goose line about what McConnell did. Only one argument — the president* is under investigation and not altogether sane.
6:04 PM - Jun 27, 2018
38 38 Replies 570 570 Retweets 1,698 1,698 likes

The President is entirely sane; he is a vicious conman and treats his followers and the press as his marks. Let’s go with “he was not legitimately elected because the Russians deliberately changed results”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:41:41pm

earlier:

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:42:09pm

re: #85 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I figure, in a Little Bighorn situation, I’m going to die either way. Better to go down swinging and leave a legacy for my kids to be proud of, to say that their father stood against the darkness until the end. And if I’m lucky, they’ll get to enjoy a better world.

Amen.

At a sword forum I frequent, there was a thread on what sword you’d want to use at the bitter end. My reply?

Saber in my right hand, revolver in my left, and a shot of whiskey as thanksgiving sitting on my prayer book on the berm for right before that last moment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:42:50pm

A bunch of rodent copulators on Twitter are trying to make the hashtag WalkAwayCampaign (as in Democrats) a trending thing. There is a lot of chowderheadedness there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:42:54pm
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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:44:16pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not in the least bit funny.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:46:07pm

re: #101 William Lewis

Amen.

At a sword forum I frequent, there was a thread on what sword you’d want to use at the bitter end. My reply?

For me, I have to go back to my roots. A Scottish claymore in a scabbard across my back, a dirk on my belt, and that shot of whiskey would be in my belly because I’m going to open that door with a rifle in hand and go for a Highland charge.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:49:10pm
Wait a second… isn’t North Dakota known for being red state? Well, guess what?

Hundreds of protesters gathered outside President Trump’s rally in Fargo. 💙✊🏼

pic.twitter.com

— Indivisible Network

Bused in from Massachusetts by George Soros.

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danarchy  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:50:20pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹

Bused in from Massachusetts by George Soros.

That’s an awful long bus ride, I hope he is paying them well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:52:13pm

re: #107 danarchy

That’s an awful long bus ride, I hope he is paying them well.

Deadbeat still hasn’t sent my paltry cheques yet.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:52:42pm

re: #105 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

For me, I have to go back to my roots. A Scottish claymore in a scabbard across my back, a dirk on my belt, and that shot of whiskey would be in my belly because I’m going to open that door with a rifle in hand and go for a Highland charge.

Hah! That’s not bad at all. I’m thinking though of grabbing that glass while they watch and shouting either Deo Gratias or Agnus Dei before launching that last attack.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:52:52pm

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

Deadbeat still hasn’t sent my paltry cheques yet.

Yeah, well, he’s still ahead of our Zionist overlords.

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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:52:55pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:53:01pm

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

Seriously. I still haven’t been paid for the Women’s March.

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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:54:29pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One of my relatives recently bought a new bed and he bought FOUR of those pillows. I discovered this when I tried out the bed. There is no way in g-d hell I would ever let a single one of those pillows into my house. (For the record, the bed was entirely too firm for me.)

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:54:54pm

re: #111 mmmirele

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:58:26pm

re: #113 mmmirele

The my pillow guy can kiss my fat ass.

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2018 • 7:59:18pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Indivisible Network
@IndivisibleNet
Wait a second… isn’t North Dakota known for being red state? Well, guess what?

Hundreds of protesters gathered outside President Trump’s rally in Fargo.

Not to sell Fargo protesters short, but Fargo is right across the river from Moorhead, MN. Wikipedia lists the top three employers in Moorhead as the school district, the U of M, and Concordia College. There may have been some MN plates in that parking lot (probably some MN Trump supporters too).

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:01:31pm

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

I WOULD RATHER HAVE A HOT CAKE THAN THIS HOT TAKE

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Whew—glad it’s THAT Joe Cunningham and not the one running for Mark Sanford’s old seat in the House.

Let THIS Joe Cunningham take your mind off THAT Joe Cunningham.

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:02:47pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

From downstairs
Shits gettin real serious. Whats your Resistance Curriculum Vitae?

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CleverToad  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:05:23pm

re: #91 mmmirele

“Prairie Fires” won the Pulitzer Prize for biography in 2018. I’m trying to decide if I want to read it, because Wilder and Lane come off as thoroughly awful people and I’m not sure I’ve got it in me for a hate read, not after today.

NOT going to read it.
Not going anywhere near it.
I’m going to separate the art from the artist and ignore people tearing down one more pleasant memory of my childhood. Like Doctor Seuss. I never took the Little House books for accurate, detailed biography — Wilder said they weren’t. They were stories, like many of the other now-politically-incorrect fiction that reflected the times the author lived in but I can still enjoy anyway. Yes, I know that is old white lady privilege. Tonight I don’t care.

On top of all the other horrific news, I am waiting for one of my oldest friends to let me know if she needs to borrow an air mattress and baby monitor to make it through her mother’s final days on hospice and still manage a couple hours of sleep. Sleep isn’t selfish, it just feels like it is.

Going to go give my mother her bath and thank the Lord she’s still alive and kicking and coherent enough to complain about the process. At least for now, so treasure the time I have. Then I’m going to go re-read an old book and shut out the news for a respite.

*** fingers in ears. la, la, la, I can’t hear you ***

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:06:41pm

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

From downstairs
Shits gettin real serious. Whats your Resistance Curriculum Vitae?

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:11:16pm

re: #118 Teukka

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:12:18pm

I like Betty Cracker’s take on this at Balloon Juice. (bold mine)

Do you have a problem with Gillibrand because of the Franken thing? Get the fuck over it. Squeamish about candidates who were endorsed by or worked with Sanders? Tough fucking shit.

We’ve got racist, Nazi-coddling, misogynistic, plutocratic, xenophobic, authoritarian baby cagers to defeat. If it has a D next to its name and it appears on my ballot, I’m voting for it, whether it’s a neo-liberal platypus or rose-munching banana slug.

It’s time to put all that other shit to the side and pull together because everything — and I mean everything — depends on it. If you see me doing otherwise, please knock me upside the head with a clue-by-four.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:13:16pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:14:36pm
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:16:55pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

I’m crying. I needed this so much tonight. Thanks for sharing .

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:18:09pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:18:45pm

re: #91 mmmirele

I spent an hour and a half escaping from reality by reading Ana Mardoll’s live-tweets of “Prairie Fires,” a biography of Laura Ingalls Wilder (yes, of the Little House books) and Rose Wilder Lane by Caroline Fraser. Mardoll gathered her tweets and posted them on her blog here:

anamardoll.com (there are several posts)

Anyway, Wilder and Lane, they were both pieces of work, horrible pieces of work who were big on pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and anti-tax and anti-government. But they didn’t tell the truth about their history and they misled people into believing you could be a small farmer on the prairie and make it, when in point of fact, you can’t. Mardoll’s tweets also explained who Roger McBride was (the guy who inherited Lane’s estate)—he was one of Lane’s “young men.” (And yeah, it’s as skeevy as you can imagine.) But it’s important because Lane is one of the founding mothers of American Libertarianism with Ayn Rand and Isabel Peterson, but, like so many Libertarians, they were such egotists they couldn’t work together.

“Prairie Fires” won the Pulitzer Prize for biography in 2018. I’m trying to decide if I want to read it, because Wilder and Lane come off as thoroughly awful people and I’m not sure I’ve got it in me for a hate read, not after today.

Here’s a link if you’re interested: amazon.com

And yeah, in its own special way, it does relate to what’s happening in the present day, because a lot of our MYTHS about stalwart white people settling the prairie came from Laura Ingalls Wilder and Rose Wilder Lane. And it’s pretty much lies, myths and fantasies.

My impression from other books — haven’t gotten to that one yet — is that RWL was the real piece of work, much more than her mother. (If LIW became nasty in her adulthood, it’s not really reflected in the books.) And reading the books as an adult, I saw just how hard and hand-to-mouth that life really was. After all, the family didn’t find stability until their last move, when Charles was a carpenter in addition to the farm.

I’d suggest you read Pioneer Girl, if you haven’t. Hate reading not required.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:18:49pm
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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:19:48pm

re: #121 William Lewis

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:20:07pm

re: #91 mmmirele

I spent an hour and a half escaping from reality by reading Ana Mardoll’s live-tweets of “Prairie Fires,” a biography of Laura Ingalls Wilder (yes, of the Little House books) and Rose Wilder Lane by Caroline Fraser. Mardoll gathered her tweets and posted them on her blog here:

anamardoll.com (there are several posts)

I was reading about Wilder and Little House’s ties to Conservatism the other day.
politico.com

I never read the books, but I saw a lot of episodes of the show while shampooing carpets at a hotel I worked at as a teenager.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:20:36pm

re: #126 gocart mozart

She’s getting ripped apart in that thread. I contributed.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:21:20pm

re: #130 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I was reading about Wilder and Little House’s ties to Conservatism the other day.
politico.com

I never read the books, but I saw a lot of episodes of the show while shampooing carpets at a hotel I worked at as a teenager.

One of my mom’s favorite shows. That should just about explain everything.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:22:43pm

re: #119 CleverToad

I sincerely hope for the best for your friend’s mother.

As for my CV, I need to work that up better than the off-the cuff remarks about my not-so-usefulness above.

Most organisations have uses for all sorts of seemingly insignificant, puerile, or other skills. (Erotic Romance novel editing could be employed around here somewhere, I’m sure. Maybe my calligraphy.)

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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:25:30pm

re: #112 plansbandc

Seriously. I still haven’t been paid for the Women’s March.

*sigh* I’m still waiting for my Eli Lilly checks for picketing Scientology back in the late 1990s and early ’00s. (Seriously, Scientology said we were paid picketers, which was a huge laugh.) I heard the same thing from attendees at Mark Driscoll’s church grift in Scottsdale in 2016. I laughed in the man’s face and pointed that I paid my own money for the signs, the vehicle I drove, even the GoPro camera I had strapped to my wrist.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:26:02pm

re: #127 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Charles Ingalls was an incompetent shit. That much was obvious to me in the first book. But then I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin that my great grandfather carved out of virgin pine land shortly after the ACW. He managed to make things last a 150 years so why couldn’t better land alongside the Mississippi work? Feh.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:28:10pm

A consideration.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:28:27pm

re: #135 William Lewis

Charles Ingalls was an incompetent shit. That much was obvious to me in the first book. But then I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin that my great grandfather carved out of virgin pine land shortly after the ACW. He managed to make things last a 150 years so why couldn’t better land alongside the Mississippi work? Feh.

The fact that Minneapolis, and Maple Grove, and pretty much all the other settlements along the riverside blossomed into immensely prosperous Midwest towns, should answer that question for you.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:30:21pm

re: #122 stpaulbear

I like Betty Cracker’s take on this at Balloon Juice. (bold mine)

I have both those problems, and neither would prevent me from voting Democratic — even for Gillibrand and/or a BernieBro (shudder) if it came to that. You hold your nose and you mark your ballot. Simple.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:31:30pm

re: #129 Teukka

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:31:40pm

This fucking guy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:32:10pm

re: #122 stpaulbear

I like Betty Cracker’s take on this at Balloon Juice. (bold mine)

One exception. Make sure to research the candidates to ensure there isn’t a shy Republican running as a Democrat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:32:11pm

Trump probably doesn’t know what a Centrist even fucking is.

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:34:21pm

re: #136 MsJ

A consideration.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:34:50pm

re: #111 mmmirele

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:35:03pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

One exception. Make sure to research the candidates to ensure there isn’t a shy Republican running as a Democrat.

Check the votes. If they are willing to do what is right (George Will “Vote Democrat” which had to burn his ass hard) then go ahead and vote for them.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:36:10pm

re: #136 MsJ

A consideration.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:36:37pm

re: #128 teleskiguy

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OMG—just looked her up:

Monica Goodling married Michael Krempasky, co-founder of redstate.com. She is currently employed under her married name, Monica Krempasky, at Corallo Media Strategies, a Virginia public relations firm run by former John Ashcroft spokesman Mark Corallo

Sleazebags never change.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:37:29pm

re: #143 Teukka

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:37:43pm

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:38:14pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

This fucking guy.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:38:47pm

It’s yapping again.

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:38:50pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:38:52pm

re: #143 Teukka

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:39:53pm

re: #146 Unshaken Defiance

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:40:13pm

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:41:11pm

re: #153 William Lewis

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:41:16pm

re: #135 William Lewis

The one thing that stuck with me about those books is she witnessed one of the last great Rocky Mountain Locust hordes. What we did to the land in this country killed them off and that’s good, but are they really gone for good, or are they just waiting for the right conditions? en.wikipedia.org

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:44:13pm

re: #149 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:44:19pm

re: #157 plansbandc

The one thing that stuck with me about those books is she witnessed one of the last great Rocky Mountain Locust hordes. What we did to the land in this country killed them off and that’s good, but are they really gone for good, or are they just waiting for the right conditions? en.wikipedia.org

I forgot that. Interesting thing to remember…

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:44:27pm
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re: #155 MsJ

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Cheechako  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:45:44pm

re: #143 Teukka

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:46:10pm

re: #158 Unshaken Defiance

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:46:32pm

re: #151 MsJ

It’s yapping again.

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Nice, Donnie, but you are out of your fucking element. There’s a difference between law enforcement and fucking Storm Troopers, and ICE are acting like fucking SS officers.

(Note that I said “acting like” and not “are”. This is the difference between Policy and the Law. And this policy is all your fucking fault, you fucking shit gibbon.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:46:59pm

re: #158 Unshaken Defiance

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:47:25pm

re: #163 William Lewis

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:47:31pm

re: #162 Cheechako

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Cheechako  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:48:14pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

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In times like this you’re going to worry about licenses? I assume that’s today’s bit of humour.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:48:16pm

re: #91 mmmirele

I spent an hour and a half escaping from reality by reading Ana Mardoll’s live-tweets of “Prairie Fires,” a biography of Laura Ingalls Wilder (yes, of the Little House books) and Rose Wilder Lane by Caroline Fraser. Mardoll gathered her tweets and posted them on her blog here:

anamardoll.com (there are several posts)

Anyway, Wilder and Lane, they were both pieces of work, horrible pieces of work who were big on pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and anti-tax and anti-government. But they didn’t tell the truth about their history and they misled people into believing you could be a small farmer on the prairie and make it, when in point of fact, you can’t. Mardoll’s tweets also explained who Roger McBride was (the guy who inherited Lane’s estate)—he was one of Lane’s “young men.” (And yeah, it’s as skeevy as you can imagine.) But it’s important because Lane is one of the founding mothers of American Libertarianism with Ayn Rand and Isabel Peterson, but, like so many Libertarians, they were such egotists they couldn’t work together.

“Prairie Fires” won the Pulitzer Prize for biography in 2018. I’m trying to decide if I want to read it, because Wilder and Lane come off as thoroughly awful people and I’m not sure I’ve got it in me for a hate read, not after today.

Here’s a link if you’re interested: amazon.com

And yeah, in its own special way, it does relate to what’s happening in the present day, because a lot of our MYTHS about stalwart white people settling the prairie came from Laura Ingalls Wilder and Rose Wilder Lane. And it’s pretty much lies, myths and fantasies.

Roger Mac Bride—Blast from the Past! He was the 1976 Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate. IIRC David Bergland was his running mate. Bergland later became a leader of Dominionists in Southern California and he went on the Jesus Circuit calling for the abolition of the First Amendment.

BTW—Mac Bride was the Virginia Elector who in 1972 cast his electoral vote for Libertarians John Hospers and Tonie Nathan. Nathan became the first woman in American History to receive an electoral vote.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:49:07pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:49:23pm

re: #168 William Lewis

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:49:23pm

re: #135 William Lewis

Charles Ingalls was an incompetent shit. That much was obvious to me in the first book. But then I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin that my great grandfather carved out of virgin pine land shortly after the ACW. He managed to make things last a 150 years so why couldn’t better land alongside the Mississippi work? Feh.

I think a lot of that land along that stretch of the Mississippi is pure sand. A farmer friend of mine wasn’t impressed when we took a drive around Lake Pepin.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:50:27pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

Wow, forty-five years in the classroom. That’s quite an achievement.

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:50:37pm

Um, wow:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:51:24pm

re: #169 Cheechako

In times like this you’re going to worry about licenses? I assume that’s today’s bit of humour.

By law, you have to present a copy of a license to purchase amateur radio gear.

It is possible to find it without a license, but honest dealers will ask for the permit (including mail order sellers).

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:51:27pm

re: #173 stpaulbear

I think a lot of that land along that stretch of the Mississippi is pure sand. A farmer friend of mine wasn’t impressed when we took a drive around Lake Pepin.

Should have bought it and held it for the coming Silicon Boom. Short sighted.

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:53:51pm

re: #159 William Lewis

From the time I was tiny, I have been obsessed with insects. My mother got calls from the neighbors because I was lying down on the sidewalk observing ants instead of walking home from school. I still love bugs. I should definitely have been an entomologist.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:54:24pm

re: #173 stpaulbear

I think a lot of that land along that stretch of the Mississippi is pure sand. A farmer friend of mine wasn’t impressed when we took a drive around Lake Pepin.

I was about to argue but the guy I knew was up on top of the bluffs. That may well make huge difference. Still, one can look at what the plow turns and get a fast fucking clue. Now there are huge chunks of Wisconsin that aren’t worth a shit for farming because of the acidic soil pine likes but shit, he was a special kind of incompetent. Also I do think the daughter was far worse than Laura from what I’ve read.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:54:36pm

re: #175 Interesting Times

Um, wow:

But this bridge near me on a dirt road in a town of sixty-four people has a Wikipedia page, because apparently it is notable. (In a historical sense it is because it is the last state aid bridge on the North Platte River; ours was replaced a couple years ago.)

Lisco NE State Aid Bridge

I’ve driven over it a few times so it must be important. /s

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:55:39pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:55:40pm

Shit. It’s happening. And far sooner than I thought. August-October delivery. At least I can momentarily distract myself from seeing America fall apart while I get things ready.

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:56:16pm

re: #177 austin_blue

Should have bought it and held it for the coming Silicon Boom. Short sighted.

That’s is exactly what they’re doing on the Wisconsin side of the river now.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:57:57pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:58:40pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

I can’t give up. Most of my immediate family are women, including two middle-school-aged nieces. I’ll do as much as I can because I want those girls to be women in a society that gives them bodily autonomy and equal opportunity.

I love you!

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:58:43pm

In local, unrelated news, proof that the CPPCG is being enforced by at least one of its signatories:
- The Local - Swede gets life sentence for involvement in Rwanda genocide

He was convicted of genocide and crimes against international law for his actions during the genocide in Rwanda.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:58:53pm

re: #178 plansbandc

From the time I was tiny, I have been obsessed with insects. My mother got calls from the neighbors because I was lying down on the sidewalk observing ants instead of walking home from school. I still love bugs. I should definitely have been an entomologist.

I took my son to the Minnesota Science Museum in downtown St. Paul today (Como Park Zoo too ) and we had a good time looking at the Dinos. They have one hell of an exquisite collection of real fossil dinos there. I probably had more fun with them than he did but I also was wearing a) a NASA t-shirt with b) a big 6” cross :D Gotta keep people guessing LOL!

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:58:54pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2018 • 8:59:48pm

re: #179 William Lewis

I was about to argue but the guy I knew was up on top of the bluffs. That may well make huge difference. Still, one can look at what the plow turns and get a fast fucking clue. Now there are huge chunks of Wisconsin that aren’t worth a shit for farming because of the acidic soil pine likes but shit, he was a special kind of incompetent. Also I do think the daughter was far worse than Laura from what I’ve read.

I’ll be the last person to argue with you about farming. I grew up in the suburbs. Food comes from the grocery store.

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:00:05pm

re: #188 MsJ

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:00:25pm

re: #97 CleverToad

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:00:42pm

re: #160 Ace-o-aces

Unfortunately, the “David Hogg” who replied to that tweet appears to be an ammosexual trumpchump -_- (granted, I only looked at his twitter bio, but hastags like “conservative” and “2A” are pretty much a foghorn blaring durr hurr I’m a trolling douchebag!)

On the plus side, it inspired me to look up the real David Hogg’s feed, where I found the following glimmer of hope:

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:01:03pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

Great Great Grandpa Bacon did not give up when he put his life on the line running a station on the Underground Railroad.

Great Grandpa Bacon did not give up when he was an activist/organizer with the IWW.

Grandpa and Grandma Bacon did not give up when the Coal and Iron Police broke into their home and beat them for organizing the United Steelworkers Union

Dad did not give up when his right arm was crushed. He underwent multiple surgeries to put his arm back together.

I will not give up.

I love you, too!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:01:17pm

Nice to know that my RepubliKKKlan Squares tweet got a warning from Twitter because of multiple complaints…

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:01:27pm

re: #190 Teukka

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:01:30pm

re: #184 Ace-o-aces

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:01:40pm

I think we have a motivated bunch of good people here. Win or lose we do our best we sleep the sleep of the worthy.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:03:13pm

re: #194 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nice to know that my RepubliKKKlan Squares tweet got a warning from Twitter because of multiple complaints…

I tweeted out numerous times. With no comment. I didn’t get a warning.

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:03:13pm

Inspirational music (semi-///)

Lordi - Hard Rock Hallelujah

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:03:17pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

I can’t give up. Most of my immediate family are women, including two middle-school-aged nieces. I’ll do as much as I can because I want those girls to be women in a society that gives them bodily autonomy and equal opportunity.

There are no women of child-bearing age in my extended family (other than one first cousin once-removed). I want girls and women in other families to enjoy the rights that many have taken for granted, however.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:03:53pm

re: #191 Unshaken Defiance

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:05:16pm

re: #198 MsJ

I tweeted out numerous times. With no comment. I didn’t get a warning.

Bless your heart!

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:05:19pm

re: #94 William Lewis

I understand.

Let me offer this quote from an even worse time in our history…

I just watched this today! Made me buck up and not despair.

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:06:01pm

re: #193 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I love you, too!

This is all going to end up in Sexy Time, isn’t it?

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:08:12pm

re: #197 Unshaken Defiance

I think we have a motivated bunch of good people here. Win or lose we do our best we sleep the sleep of the worthy.

Well, very disturbed and uncomfortable sleep, to be sure. Lots of twitching.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:11:12pm

re: #191 Unshaken Defiance

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:11:51pm

re: #184 Ace-o-aces

Or he used Trump Foundation money.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:12:08pm

Someone in a Sinclair market need to sue them.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:13:55pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

If your plan involves a step where things get worse and then everyone listens to you…your plan is utter shit and also conscienceless.

There is no equivalent exchange in which pain and a body count will feed the exact kind of revolutionary outcome you want.

This is true of “peaceful” disruptions, revolutionary wars, and state collapses. Often who wins is not who is smartest, or even who is most organized, but who is cruelest, fastest to do the unthinkable. And that can include shitty human beings squatting like brood parasites inside your own camp.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:14:53pm

re: #204 austin_blue

This is all going to end up in Sexy Time, isn’t it?

Sionainn, as a “nasty devil bitch,” seems more up the alley of my publisher. The sexxy times they publish are a bit more … ah … spicy?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:16:04pm

re: #208 MsJ

Someone in a Sinclair market need to sue them.

Sorry, I Amendment protects Sinclair since the Fairness Doctrine was struck down by Reagan. No suit would be entertained by a court.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:16:41pm

A quote from a FB Bernie Bro friend: So the lesser of two evils still equals evil. She refuses to acknowledge their role in the disaster we are encountering because Sanders ” presented(by ALL polls, yes he did, check the history) the only real viable candidate to Trump”. Arrgggh!!! These people remain as deluded as Trumpsters and Bernie himself.

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JordanRules  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:18:06pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:18:23pm

re: #211 VegasGolfer

Giphy

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:20:40pm

re: #215 teleskiguy

nice GIF didn’t work.
now is not the time to be nice

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:20:46pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Refusing to acknowledge a trolley problem is not heroic.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:22:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:22:36pm

I’m off to watch a cheery episode of “Handmaid’s Tale.” See y’all in a bit.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:22:46pm

re: #211 VegasGolfer

I’m back after drinking many Sculpins.
Who wants to dox Brian J?
I think this POS needs an ass whooping.
Brian J what say you?
I have half a million frequent flyer points, so I can fly to where you are.
Shall we dance?

No. We will maintain the high ground.

To be wrong about a political idea is not treason. It is not to be against the proletariat. It is simply an argument to have between brothers and sisters. We may think he is wrong today (I do) perhaps he will be what we think is right tomorrow. I don’t know that. I do know that we need our Brian J’s if we are to be better than the scum infesting the White House right now.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:22:57pm
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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:23:18pm

re: #218 MsJ

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:24:29pm

re: #211 VegasGolfer

I’m back after drinking many Sculpins.
Who wants to dox Brian J?
I think this POS needs an ass whooping.
Brian J what say you?
I have half a million frequent flyer points, so I can fly to where you are.
Shall we dance?

If I were you I would delete this on your own.

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:24:46pm

re: #223 Unshaken Defiance

If I were you I would delete this on your own.

Seconded.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:25:15pm

re: #223 Unshaken Defiance

If I were you I would delete this on your own.

Thirded

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:25:21pm

re: #216 VegasGolfer

You’ve been drinking. Sleep it off.

If Brian J. has gotten under your craw so much and you want to wallop him, find him. Hire a private detective and do it yourself. Leave LGF the fuck out!

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:26:06pm

re: #211 VegasGolfer

I’m back after drinking many Sculpins.
Who wants to dox Brian J?
I think this POS needs an ass whooping.
Brian J what say you?
I have half a million frequent flyer points, so I can fly to where you are.
Shall we dance?

Dude, really. He went off on a Dark Falcon rant. We don’t eat our own until they are more tasty than useful. Chill pill time.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:26:59pm

re: #182 GlutenFreeJesus

Shit. It’s happening. And far sooner than I thought. August-October delivery. At least I can momentarily distract myself from seeing America fall apart while I get things ready.

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Way to go!

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:29:20pm

re: #227 austin_blue

Dude, really. He went off on a a Dark Falcon rant. We don’t eat our own until they are more tasty than useful. Chill pill time.

And even DF, may the good one rest his soul, took a very long time before he crossed that final line that he (and only he) decided was too much. He’d still be welcomed back if he chose to come here (ok, I’ll admit that’s me. I want to believe in his second chance…) Good lord, bless him …

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:29:30pm

So Vegas Golfer reminds me that as things get crazy from the right, we don’t. We keep our heads. As much as some work goes quiet because Trump humpers, there are lines we don’t cross. Some mean you can’t cross them and post here. Some mean you can’t cross them and be in this little cluster of resistance people where I chip in.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:30:18pm

No bueno. Don’t be like Brian J.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:30:52pm

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:33:32pm

re: #231 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

No bueno. Don’t be like Brian J.

Shouldn’t quote tweets comments that are going to get deleted.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:34:16pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:34:43pm

re: #230 Unshaken Defiance

So Vegas Golfer reminds me that as things get crazy from the right, we don’t. We keep our heads. As much as some work goes quiet because Trump humpers, there are lines we don’t cross. Some mean you can’t cross them and post here. Some mean you can’t cross them and be in this little cluster of resistance people where I chip in.

To quote one of the Swedish taglines for Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins…
I will teach you to fight with your brain fully connected.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:36:50pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

Shouldn’t quote tweets comments that are going to get deleted.

Thanks! Fixed.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:37:09pm

re: #235 Teukka

To quote one of the Swedish taglines for Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins…
I will teach you to fight with your brain fully connected.

Good one. I was thinking of the sequence of Inigo and the Man in Black fighting but that works.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:38:02pm

I hope I see Vegas Golfer at the rally on Saturday.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:39:31pm

re: #220 William Lewis

hows we will go high working for us??????

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:42:16pm

re: #239 VegasGolfer

hows will will go high working for us??????

Are you going to be at the rally on Saturday?

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:42:23pm

re: #223 Unshaken Defiance

If I were you I would delete this on your own.

i will not. I will fight with or without you. (seems without you)
this is a fight we have not seen in almost 200 years.
But keep posting cat pictures.
See how far that gets you

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:42:58pm

re: #240 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

yup on sat i will be there, will you?

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:43:19pm

re: #229 William Lewis

And even DF, may the good one rest his soul, took a very long time before he crossed that final line that he (and only he) decided was too much. He’d still be welcomed back if he chose to come here (ok, I’ll admit that’s me. I want to believe in his second chance…) Good lord, bless him …

Nah, I think Kurt has made his decision to separate permanently. I liked the little scamp until he got all “this is all about me and why don’t you respect my opinion!”.

Then I was just “Meh, a Chicago live-at-home millennial, whining about how the world is treating him. I’ve got cousins like that in Park Ridge.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:44:06pm

I mostly missed it but we had another fire today and it’s not even July yet.

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:46:37pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

I mostly missed it but we had another fire today and it’s not even July yet.

Strap in, boyo, it’s going to be a hellish fire season.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:47:05pm

re: #239 VegasGolfer

hows will will go high working for us??????

I can’t speak to you. I only know what I have to do. Do you want to know what I really think? Watch this and think about what he’s saying… Johnny Cash sings “Man In Black” for the first time (with intro)

I have to go high. You can only do what your heart tells you to do…

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:49:00pm

re: #242 VegasGolfer

yup on sat i will be there, will you?

Yes. I’m going to be there with my two daughters and hopefully some friends. I’ll be wearing a long sleeve white sun shirt with a purple t-shirt that says, “and you thought I was a nasty woman before? Well buckle up buttercup.” Short curly brown-grayish hair.

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:53:10pm

re: #247 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Yes. I’m going to be there with my two daughters and hopefully some friends. I’ll be wearing a long sleeve white sun shirt with a purple t-shirt that says, “and you thought I was a nasty woman before? Well buckle up buttercup.” Short curly brown-grayish hair.

You go, girl. Straight up, in their face. That’s a beautiful thing. And bringing your daughters? Bonus points!

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:54:15pm

re: #246 William Lewis

I have to go high as well. My daughters need a good role model. Their dad thinks I’m “indoctrinating” them, but they come to me with things they have heard, some correct, some not so correct. They hate Trump, but my youngest was spouting about Trump without anything to back it up. I won’t stand for that. They have to have reasons why they feel the way they do. I’m guiding them toward sources and facts so they aren’t just being mouthpieces.

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William Lewis  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:54:39pm

I was looking for something else and found this. Johnny Cash’s last public performance… Beautiful.

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:57:03pm

re: #246 William Lewis

I can’t speak to you. I only know what I have to do. Do you want to know what I really think? Watch this and think about what he’s saying… [Embedded content]

I have to go high. You can only do what your heart tells you to do…

He’s a singer, dead stop. If you don’t get out on the street and raise your voice, you are a fundamental fail. Raise your voice on the street.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:57:19pm

re: #247 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

In Vegas, or in spirit? if in Vegas, I would like to meet you, I am totally unassuming, not intimidating in any way.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 9:58:38pm

re: #252 VegasGolfer

I am totally unassuming, not intimidating in any way.

Says the guy who asked about doxing someone because he wants to hurt them not fucking 10 minutes ago.

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:00:20pm

re: #252 VegasGolfer

In Vegas, or in spirit? if in Vegas, I would like to meet you, I am totally unassuming, not intimidating in any way.

Based on a previous post indicating alcohol consumption, that is kinda creepy. Might be time to hit the rack.

Oh, and over the past year, I have almost never dinged anyone down. Congrats!

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:00:56pm

re: #248 austin_blue

You go, girl. Straight up, in their face. That’s a beautiful thing. And bringing your daughters? Bonus points!

Thanks. I’ve brought them with me to vote every election and have tried to instill how important that right is to women. I’m older than most mothers so I probably won’t be around as long as others. My goal is for them to understand history, the importance of rights for all citizens, and to be informed and vote every single election. It hits closer to home for them, all the stuff that has been happening, because they are the minority in their schools. They have friends for whom all of this is up close and personal. My girls are horrified.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:02:53pm

re: #252 VegasGolfer

In Vegas, or in spirit? if in Vegas, I would like to meet you, I am totally unassuming, not intimidating in any way.

Of course, in Vegas! I’ve never made it a secret where I live. As long as you aren’t drunk at 10:00 am, I’d like to meet up with you.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:04:21pm

re: #253 teleskiguy

let me go and go and smoke a blunt, then ill come back and see if i can explain the difference

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:04:43pm

re: #254 austin_blue

nope

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:06:51pm

re: #257 VegasGolfer

That’s the second time tonight someone here has tried to insult me because I’m open about my cannabis consumption.

In your case, I am curious. Tell me the difference between wanting to beat up someone and… what, exactly?

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JordanRules  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:08:56pm

Are there no other lizards in Vegas?

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:12:18pm

how do I do a private message?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:12:34pm

re: #260 JordanRules

Are there no other lizards in Vegas?

I don’t think so. I don’t have a problem meeting Vegas Golfer as long as he’s like his normal self. No violence and no drunkenness. I’ll have my kids with me. I don’t have a problem getting arrested for civil disobedience, but violence is a whole ‘nuther story.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:13:34pm

...

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:14:30pm

re: #261 VegasGolfer

how do I do a private message?

Fuckin’ all questions are answered on the big green question mark at the bottom of the comment field.

You still want someone to dox Brian J. so you can fly out and beat him up?

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:15:01pm

whoops, send a private message.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:16:09pm

re: #265 VegasGolfer

whoops, send a private message.

Click the lock thingie in the comment field and enter the username(s) of the recipient(s).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:16:51pm

Okay look folks, I don’t usually get preachy and I know it’s been a challenging day around here but can I ask everyone to tone down the negativity a bit?

There’s are so many off the rails forums and comment sections on the web. LGF is the ONE oasis of sanity in a desert of bad craziness but it hasn’t really felt that way to me today.

Well have our things. VB bakes, makeitstop plays music, Charles codes, Teleskiguy smokes weed…and skis. Wheat dogg teaches, Anymouse is in local politics, etc.

I don’t have to fully support what you do in order to respect and honor your right to do it. I don’t want to get into fights with people on here. I get into enough spats on Twitter and FB and elsewhere. LGF is a place I like to think I don’t have to argue much.

So how about we spend less time lamenting the darkness around us and instead do what we can to keep whatever lights are left shining brightly?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:17:26pm

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:20:31pm

This is getting really weird. I’m going to bed, you all hash this out.

Damn, what a strange day. I used to think this board was pretty straightforward. What did I know?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:20:59pm

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m totally with you. I have my rather loud voice, my righteous indignation, and my pugnaciousness that won’t shut me up when I see things that are wrong. I’m not sitting down or shutting up.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:21:20pm

re: #267 Eclectic Cyborg

What if I asked how to dox you so I could fly to your location and beat you up? How would you feel about that?

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:21:45pm

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austin_blue  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:22:51pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

What if I asked how to dox you so I could fly to your location and beat you up? How would you feel about that?

Oh, no, please don’t go there. Please. Night all.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:23:36pm

re: #269 austin_blue

This is getting really weird. I’m going to bed, you all hash this out.

Damn, what a strange day. I used to think this board was pretty straightforward. What did I know?

I think we are all the same as we ever were. Just bad news over and over again has led to despair and freely imbibing and it’s coming across all wrong. Deep breaths and start all over tomorrow.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:24:08pm

Skip Intro, the asshole that he is, made a good point downstairs. If the next American Civil War were to happen, what side is what?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:24:48pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

What if I asked how to dox you so I could fly to your location and beat you up? How would you feel about that?

Totally wrong. I’m with you on that and think Vegas Golfer needs to delete that post.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:27:30pm

re: #275 teleskiguy

Skip Intro, the asshole that he is, made a good point downstairs. If the next American Civil War were to happen, what side is what?

I’m on the side of rights for everyone, even if I hate everything they stand for. It’s why I’m a card carrying member of the ACLU.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:27:56pm

re: #273 austin_blue

Oh, no, please don’t go there.

I won’t fuck around with people who openly espouse violence at LGF. They are the enemy, regardless of political persuasion.

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:29:09pm

re: #278 teleskiguy

I won’t fuck around with people who openly espouse violence at LGF. They are the enemy, regardless of political persuasion.

Agree. “If you behave like the enemy, you become the enemy.”

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:29:31pm

re: #278 teleskiguy

I’m giving benefit of the doubt because of the emotional day and admission of inebriation. However, that post has to go.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:29:34pm

It *has* been a fucked up, trying time for us sane folk. I will admit that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:33:53pm

Well, I duck out for about an hour and the thread went all hinkey.

Hey, Teleskiguy, exhale north. /s

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:36:49pm

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I duck out for about an hour and the thread went all hinkey.

Hey, Teleskiguy, exhale north. /s

See what happens when you leave?! It’s all your fault.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:37:05pm

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

It isn’t smoky where I’m at. Most of the smoke is in southern Colorado and northern New Mexico. A fast-moving fire broke out today near La Veta Pass.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:38:53pm

re: #284 teleskiguy

It isn’t smoky where I’m at. Most of the smoke is in southern Colorado and northern New Mexico. A fast-moving fire broke out today near La Veta Pass.

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Crap. I’m sure the drought and dead pines aren’t helping matters.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:39:27pm

re: #283 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

See what happens when you leave?! It’s all your fault.

LOL. If I’m the font of stability around here, we’re all in trouble.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:40:37pm

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

LOL. If I’m the font of stability around here, we’re all in trouble.

Yes, yes, we are. Bwahahaha.

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Targetpractice  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:41:34pm

*pokes head in*

Fuck me, I thought we’d worked out our grievances last year?

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:41:55pm

re: #285 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Crap. I’m sure the drought and dead pines aren’t helping matters.

At this rate they’re better off *numbering* the fires instead of naming them after their locations. Do you know how many Spring Creeks there are in Colorado? I’m from Colorado and I don’t know!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:41:57pm

re: #284 teleskiguy

It isn’t smoky where I’m at. Most of the smoke is in southern Colorado and northern New Mexico. A fast-moving fire broke out today near La Veta Pass.

And up here north of Colorado, we’ve been drowning from all the rain. If it was in my power to direct some your way (without the hail and tornadoes) I would.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:42:29pm

#416Fire

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:43:17pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:45:53pm

re: #289 teleskiguy

At this rate they’re better off *numbering* the fires instead of naming them after their locations. Do you know how many Spring Creeks there are in Colorado? I’m from Colorado and I don’t know!

There’s this one …

Spring Creek is a 12.7-mile-long (20.4 km) tributary of the Cache La Poudre River in the state of Colorado in the United States.

Spring Creek begins north of Horsetooth Mountain within Horsetooth Mountain Park just west of Fort Collins, Colorado and flows into Horsetooth Reservoir. After leaving Horsetooth Reservoir out of Spring Canyon Dam, Spring Creek flows through central Fort Collins just south of Colorado State University. For most of its passage through the city, it is paralled by the city-maintained Spring Creek Trail. (more)

en.wikipedia.org

For other places named Spring Creek:

en.wikipedia.org

At least according to Wikipedia, that font of all human ken [citation needed] there are no others in Colorado.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:47:32pm

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:48:09pm

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

You will find all the Spring Creeks in this book. I’m pretty sure there’s *three* Spring Creeks in a 50 mile radius from me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:49:19pm

Teleskiguy,

The San Luis Valley (where that fire is) is the location where my wife and I married (in Exchequerville, a ghost town right outside Bonanza).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 10:51:20pm

re: #295 teleskiguy

You will find all the Spring Creeks in this book. I’m pretty sure there’s *three* Spring Creeks in a 50 mile radius from me.

Hey, I have one of those! Except it says “Nebraska” on it.

I still need it to find my way around the area (because our roads aren’t found in places like Mapquest or Google Maps outside of main paved roads).

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:00:08pm

re: #294 VegasGolfer

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:02:29pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:06:20pm

re: #299 Ace-o-aces

LOLWUT?!?

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:08:24pm

re: #300 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

LOLWUT?!?

Apparently it’s the same thing that makes the frogs gay.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:12:19pm

re: #298 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:12:56pm

After midnight here. 69° F air temperature. Okay, I’ll turn on the fans.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:14:02pm

re: #301 Ace-o-aces

Apparently it’s the same thing that makes the frogs gay.

Just reading the transcript from Media Matters would lead one to believe that’s where Trump gets his scripts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:15:58pm

re: #303 teleskiguy

After midnight here. 69° F air temperature. Okay, I’ll turn on the fans.

Hey, you’re south of me and it’s 79° F here. No fair.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:16:44pm

re: #303 teleskiguy

After midnight here. 69° F air temperature. Okay, I’ll turn on the fans.

It’s 93 here. Time to go to bed with the AC blasting and hoping hot flashes don’t wake me up.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:17:02pm

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

Hey, you’re south of me and it’s 79° F here. No fair.

Perks of living at the bottom of a high mountain valley.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:17:42pm

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:18:57pm

re: #306 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

It’s 93 here. Time to go to bed with the AC blasting and hoping hot flashes don’t wake me up.

ICK! Both times I visited Vegas as a tourist, I drove there from Colorado. Both times, both times I drove out of the mouth of the Virgin River Canyon, and I see that light off in the distance, I thought to myself “that doesn’t belong there.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:21:20pm

Alex Jones probably got his schtick from the Gay Bomb from the Nineties (your tax dollars at work):

The “halitosis bomb” and “gay bomb” are informal names for two theoretical, non-existent, non-lethal psychochemical weapons that a United States Air Force research laboratory speculated about producing; the theories involve discharging female sex pheromones over enemy forces in order to make them sexually attracted to each other.

In 1994 the Wright Laboratory in Ohio, a predecessor to today’s United States Air Force Research Laboratory, produced a three-page proposal on a variety of possible nonlethal chemical weapons, which was later obtained by the Sunshine Project through a Freedom of Information Act request.

en.wikipedia.org

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:21:27pm

re: #309 teleskiguy

ICK! Both times I visited Vegas as a tourist, I drove there from Colorado. Both times, both times I drove out of the mouth of the Virgin River Canyon, and I see that light off in the distance, I thought to myself “that doesn’t belong there.”

Yep. The light pollution is terrible here. Can’t wait until my youngest graduates so I can get our of here.

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IngisKahn  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:23:03pm

97 right now in Phoenix :)

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:23:18pm

re: #308 VegasGolfer

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:24:23pm

Goodnight, Lizards! Tomorrow, we start the resistance!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:28:17pm

re: #314 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Goodnight, Lizards! Tomorrow, we start the resistance!

Goodnight, SND. Sleep well.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:34:41pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:37:31pm
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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:38:36pm

re: #317 Single-handed sailor

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Wasn’t this whole shit supposed to be a finger to elitism?

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Teukka  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:40:31pm
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JordanRules  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:41:16pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:43:08pm

re: #111 mmmirele

We had some anti-abortion protesters on the ASU campus in the 80’s. Somebody just sat down next to then with a box labeled “Free Coat Hangers”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:53:32pm

Just got word that my neighbor Marty has died in the hospital in Fort Worth. He had been there since Monday. He was widowed and lived with his son and daughter-in-law on the adjoining property. He was 85 years old and a Purple Heart veteran of the Korean War. I would shoot the breeze with him out along the fence from time to time.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:54:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2018 • 11:56:56pm

re: #322 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Just got word that my neighbor Marty has died in the hospital in Fort Worth. He had been there since Monday. He was widowed and lived with his son and daughter-in-law on the adjoining property. He was 85 years old and a Purple Heart veteran of the Korean War. I would shoot the breeze with him out along the fence from time to time.

Fair winds and following seas for your friend. My condolences on the loss of your neighbour.

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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2018 • 12:01:16am
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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2018 • 12:05:08am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 12:08:28am

I’m off to bed, y’all. I’m really getting tired of living in interesting times. I want boring back in my politics.

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teleskiguy  Jun 28, 2018 • 12:10:14am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 12:10:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 12:13:08am

re: #230 Unshaken Defiance

So Vegas Golfer reminds me that as things get crazy from the right, we don’t. We keep our heads. As much as some work goes quiet because Trump humpers, there are lines we don’t cross. Some mean you can’t cross them and post here. Some mean you can’t cross them and be in this little cluster of resistance people where I chip in.

You mean people who support a lot of conservative talking points, then get abusive and ad hominem and then insist they got kicked out because of their politics?

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 1:12:38am
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 28, 2018 • 1:22:35am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2018 • 1:24:51am

Beto has slipped from 3 points behind to 5. I am maxed out on my contributions to him, though I can still help the state party and other candidates. Cruz receives many millions worth of in-kind support from fascist media and fundy grifter cults, Dems have to pay in real money.

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Kragar  Jun 28, 2018 • 1:25:39am

re: #332 Ace-o-aces

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 1:42:23am

re: #334 Kragar

“The Meek will inherit the earth.”

Yeah, but not America!

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wheat-dogg  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:22:22am

re: #332 Ace-o-aces

{copy editor mode}

tenets

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:30:18am

re: #336 wheat-dogg

These are the tenants of my beliefs: Monty Python, Harold and Maude, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Timothy Leary, John Lilly, Hunter Thompson….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:45:56am

re: #337 Single-handed sailor

These are the tenants of my beliefs: Monty Python, Harold and Maude, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Timothy Leary, John Lilly, Hunter Thompson….

Those sound like some interesting tenants to have in your apartment block…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:47:17am

re: #334 Kragar

Trump to supporters: We should be called the “super elite”

Tell me this does not appeal to the Calvinist and those who beleive in the elect. Even though I guess that Trump did not intentionally target them…but therein lies his appeal, he truly does “speak their language”.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:47:51am

re: #337 Single-handed sailor

These are the tenants of my beliefs: Monty Python, Harold and Maude, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Timothy Leary, John Lilly, Hunter Thompson….

Do you charge rent to your tenets? :-)

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:51:08am

re: #340 Lupin

Nah, they were so much fun I let them live rent free.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:53:21am

I think these are the ultimate smokey eyes.

I’m loving tonight’s The Expanse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:57:28am

re: #340 Lupin

Do you charge rent to your tenets? :-)

What about Neil Tenet and Lord Tenetson?

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 2:58:06am

The British intelligence and security committee is holding a press conference now to explain the findings of their report published this morning.

Short version is that Trump’s election will mean less cooperation with US intelligence agencies.

The same conclusion has already been reached by France, and I suspect Germany is already there or will be soon.

Many here think the Trump-Putin summit (or “debriefing” as it was sarcastically referred to by one French wit) is going to spell the de facto end of NATO as we knew it; some are talking about a transition to an EU-managed NATO without the US.

Our analysts predict more chaos to come in the US (and that;s the best case scenario).

You are no longer an ally; not yet an enemy; but things are inching that way. China is arguably hurt by this too; the only undisputed winner is Putin.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 3:09:18am

re: #344 Lupin

The British intelligence and security committee is holding a press conference now to explain the findings of their report published this morning.

Short version is that Trump’s election will mean less cooperation with US intelligence agencies.

The same conclusion has already been reached by France, and I suspect Germany is already there or will be soon.

How can they begin to trust a President who is so obviously beholden to foreign interests?

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freetoken  Jun 28, 2018 • 3:09:52am

re: #344 Lupin

The only press release stuff from the ISC today that I’ve found in this:

UK committee says Brits knew of US prisoner mistreatment

See links at isc.independent.gov.uk

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freetoken  Jun 28, 2018 • 3:12:54am

There are articles like this floating around today:

Donald Trump confirms summit with Vladimir Putin sparking fears they’ll strike a ‘peace deal’

I’m not sure that even classifies as “new” news, for anyone who’s been paying attention the past two years.

Trump is clearly a wanna-be dictator, and his lust to be a strongman fits right into the Russian agenda for splitting the old West alliances.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 3:14:34am

re: #347 freetoken

There are articles like this floating around today:

Donald Trump confirms summit with Vladimir Putin sparking fears they’ll strike a ‘peace deal’

I’m not sure that even classifies as “new” news, for anyone who’s been paying attention the past two years.

Trump is clearly a wanna-be dictator, and his lust to be a strongman fits right into the Russian agenda for splitting the old West alliances.

If he can get that cozy with Kim Jong Un, then Putin is already a love affair.

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sagehen  Jun 28, 2018 • 3:18:11am

re: #343 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What about Neil Tenet and Lord Tenetson?

and of course David Tennant…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 3:25:57am

re: #349 sagehen

and of course David Tennant…

one of them is a Pet Shop Boy and the other is a Dr Who but I am not fan enough of either to tell you which is which…

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wheat-dogg  Jun 28, 2018 • 3:32:29am

re: #342 Single-handed sailor

I think these are the ultimate smokey eyes.

[Embedded content]

I’m loving tonight’s The Expanse.

Cara Gee.
Me too.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:12:48am

Elon Musk is really, really weird. This came in my email from Tlthe Guardian…Unicorn Farts:

We’ve had another glimpse at Elon Musk’s ugly side after his Tesla company ripped off a farting unicorn. Colorado potter Tom Edwards started making his unicorn mugs in 2010 and was initially thrilled to find out Musk was a fan, until realising the image was being used without his permission in Tesla promotional material.

“He can sue for money if he wants, but that’s kinda lame,” Musk told Edwards’s daughter in an exchange on Twitter. Edwards has lawyers on the case: “He [Musk] is really really interesting. But he isn’t above copyright law.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:29:29am

re: #344 Lupin

The British intelligence and security committee is holding a press conference now to explain the findings of their report published this morning.

Short version is that Trump’s election will mean less cooperation with US intelligence agencies.

The same conclusion has already been reached by France, and I suspect Germany is already there or will be soon.

Many here think the Trump-Putin summit (or “debriefing” as it was sarcastically referred to by one French wit) is going to spell the de facto end of NATO as we knew it; some are talking about a transition to an EU-managed NATO without the US.

Our analysts predict more chaos to come in the US (and that;s the best case scenario).

You are no longer an ally; not yet an enemy; but things are inching that way. China is arguably hurt by this too; the only undisputed winner is Putin.

The blowback is coming.
The dumping of the dollar is coming.
The dumping of Treasury securities is coming.
The trade wars will escalate.
The diplomatic isolation is coming.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:30:58am

re: #353 Joe Bacon 🌹

The blowback is coming.
The dumping of the dollar is coming.
The dumping of Treasury securities is coming.
The trade was will escalate.
The diplomatic isolation is coming.

When the dollar gets dumped, we will no longer have the option of selling off T-bills to finance a large deficit.

The answer?

Cancel all government outside of military and revert to bitcoin/barter system.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:32:29am

re: #354 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When the dollar gets dumped, we will no longer have the option of selling off T-bills to finance a large deficit.

The answer?

Cancel all government outside of military and revert to bitcoin/barter system.

Oh no! The Pulpit Pimps will tell the marks that all we have to do is pray to Jesus and Gawd will provide!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:43:25am

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:44:41am

re: #355 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh no! The Pulpit Pimps will tell the marks that all we have to do is pray to Jesus and Gawd will provide!

They will lead holey jeehawwd against the heathen meedlesome €-trash!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:50:18am

Time to panic?

From Jean Kerr, 1957: If you can keep your head when all about are losing theirs, it’s just possible that you haven’t grasped the situation

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:51:15am

re: #357 Teukka

They will lead holey jeehawwd against the heathen meedlesome €-trash!

A great guarantor of world stability and peace is the fact that our dollar is the world reserve currency. Once that status is revoked, there will be more temptation to resort to military solutions to conflicts

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 4:54:24am

From Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo:

Understandably, it got little attention in today’s rush of news. But spare a moment for this. CNN had a short package of news on the now finalized plans for a summit between President Trump and Vladimir Putin. As the CNN reporter in Moscow put it, “the Russians [are] clearly showing they are in the driver’s seat on this.” Here’s short excerpt of video with John Bolton in a begging mode, insisting there’s no problem with the summit, while Russian state television mockingly says Russia elected Trump.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:08:00am

Some of this new and pervasive despair is because we didn’t think, didn’t plan, weren’t supposed to have to be doing this now.

We as a country, as a world, were past it.
Smarter
Enlightened
We’d moved on

Well as a nation we aren’t.
The work is not done and it’s worse than we thought.
We’re surely not as far along as we thought we were.

We don’t want to be doing this
And this new road is harder than the last one was.
Harder than the one we were supposed to be on by now.
And its gotten several magnitudes worse in the last 2 years
Some because they masterfully play to the refs.
Some because they are the refs.
And some just plain dumb luck or timing.

It won’t be sustained.
We will come through.
Because the truth will out and “The arc of the moral universe is long, AND it bends toward justice”.

To get there we now have to slog through this filth.
For however long it takes.
To ensure that the arc does bend.

I can still feel despair, disappointment, and not give up. Not for anything.

The primary goal in an emergency is to ‘emerge’
It’s time to accept that things are they way they are.
Accept what has happened, what we’re into and in for.

Regain control. Regroup. React.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:09:31am

re: #361 dangerman

Some of us took the gains we made in personal freedoms and women’s, minority and LGBT rights for granted and did not realize that there are people out there working actively to set them back by decades.

We are about to see that happen and it might take decades again to recover.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:18:34am

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

By voting in a majority Republican Senate, the American people have decided who they want selecting SCOTUS justices. Sorry but elections have consequences.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:19:43am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:28:17am

“I could not fathom staying at an organization that was OK with lying to the American public. I hate that. In 17 years in the military, at the Department of Defense as a civilian, at NASA, and now at Homeland Security, I have never been asked to lie. I have never been asked to perpetuate a lie, which is the same as lying,” Schwab said.

When CBS News spoke to Schwab on Wednesday at his home, some three months after he quit, they were interrupted by a surprise visit from men who identified themselves as agents from the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General’s Office.

“They just said that they wanted to talk to me about the leak with the Oakland mayor,” Schwab said of his conversation with the agents. He was “completely shocked” to see them.

“Did you ever contact the Oakland mayor’s office?” Yuccas asked.

“No. I’ve never met her before. I never contacted Libby Schaaf,” Schwab said. “Never. I would never tell her. I would never tell anyone…They were very serious. He was very stern with me, and it was concerning.”

Schwab said it was “absolutely” an intimidation technique.

“Why, three months later, are we doing this?” Schwab said. “This is intimidation. And this is why people won’t come out and speak against the government.”

Asked if he believes other agencies are struggling with the same thing, Schwab said, “I know that they are, because they’ve reached out to me.”

Schwab said he’s speaking out now because he’s talked to others in the federal government with similar concerns.

“That’s one of the most important reasons that I’m doing this is that - so that people hear that someone else stood up, that someone else said, ‘No.’ And was concerned with it…To actually prepare and stand out in front of the public and perpetuate something that you know is absolutely false is not okay. And no special agent from the Department of Homeland Security is gonna stop me from saying that,” Schwab said.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:31:40am

re: #346 freetoken

The only press release stuff from the ISC today that I’ve found in this:

UK committee says Brits knew of US prisoner mistreatment

See links at isc.independent.gov.uk

see here on The Guardian (amongst others)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:33:13am

re: #365 MsJ

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That’s pretty scary.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:34:24am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:37:25am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty scary.

The frog boils every so slowly.

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jeffreyw  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:43:48am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:44:15am

re: #369 MsJ

The frog boils every so slowly.

It’s only going to get worse.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:44:24am

re: #369 MsJ

The frog boils every so slowly.

That’s the fascist standard MO, they turn the heat up ever so slowly.
What remains to be seen is what the admin will use as the equivalent of
o Reichstag fire (1933)
o Nacht der Langen Messer (1934)
o Kristallnacht (1938)

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:45:10am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:46:26am
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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:51:35am

There is a very good article on the French website dedefensa.org which deals with geopolitical stuff in general (lots of analysts reading it) and is unfortunately too long for me to translate here (besides, copyright) but which could loosely be rendered as “Trump: success through chaos, success through failure.”

The predictions they made esp. the handling of North Korea, have been totally correct, and they predict more chaos and more objective failures (globally speaking) for the US, which Trump turns into personal successes for him.

Today I’ve taken steps to move our six-figure asset portfolio out of the US — I mean, only physically & legally, I don’t mean untying it from Wall Street — simple because i no longer trust the US Government and US companies that may be obliged to follow its directives.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:52:28am

re: #235 Teukka

To quote one of the Swedish taglines for Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins…
I will teach you to fight with your brain fully connected.

i loved those books - read like 50 or 60 of em

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:56:46am

re: #277 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I’m on the side of rights for everyone, even if I hate everything they stand for. It’s why I’m a card carrying member of the ACLU.

liberty and justice for all means for all
otherwise it doesn’t mean anything

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:58:03am
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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:59:47am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 5:59:56am

Thread.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:02:50am

Meanwhile, timing couldn’t be worse for Thesesa May to bug the EU about Brexit at the summit today. #1 concern here is the US; Brexit has become a post-scriptum. Realistically I only see two issues for the UK: hard crash or BINO (ie: EFTA deal).

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:04:45am

re: #360 Joe Bacon 🌹

From Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo:

Understandably, it got little attention in today’s rush of news. But spare a moment for this. CNN had a short package of news on the now finalized plans for a summit between President Trump and Vladimir Putin. As the CNN reporter in Moscow put it, “the Russians [are] clearly showing they are in the driver’s seat on this.” Here’s short excerpt of video with John Bolton in a begging mode, insisting there’s no problem with the summit, while Russian state television mockingly says Russia elected Trump.

Of all the things we’ve had to endure the past three years, the collusion with, and sucking up to, a Russian government that engaged in cyberwarfare against America, and one political party in particular, is just a bit more than I can stand.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:05:52am

It’s awake.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:07:36am

re: #365 MsJ

When CBS News spoke to Schwab on Wednesday at his home, some three months after he quit, they were interrupted by a surprise visit from men who identified themselves as agents from the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General’s Office.

“They just said that they wanted to talk to me about the leak with the Oakland mayor,” Schwab said of his conversation with the agents. He was “completely shocked” to see them.

Thank you for coming to visit me unannounced. Here is the phone number for my attorney if you wish to speak with me. Have a nice day. Do not let the door knob hit you on the way out.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:07:54am

re: #375 Lupin

Today I’ve taken steps to move our six-figure asset portfolio out of the US — I mean, only physically & legally, I don’t mean untying it from Wall Street — simple because i no longer trust the US Government and US companies that may be obliged to follow its directives.

That sounds very foolish to me, but to each their own.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:08:56am

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those sound like some interesting tenants to have in your apartment block…

MASH:

Hawkeye: Father, I realize that this ceremony will not be in line with the basic tenets of your religion

Potter: I— I didn’t know t-tennis was a religion.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:09:12am

re: #385 Shropshire Slasher

That sounds very foolish to me, but to each their own.

put it all in bitcoins

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:09:26am

re: #347 freetoken

There are articles like this floating around today:

Donald Trump confirms summit with Vladimir Putin sparking fears they’ll strike a ‘peace deal’

I’m not sure that even classifies as “new” news, for anyone who’s been paying attention the past two years.

Trump is clearly a wanna-be dictator, and his lust to be a strongman fits right into the Russian agenda for splitting the old West alliances.

Oh, the “peace” deal was established long ago between these two.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:10:20am

All of that being said, I also have to say I can no longer appear on the Fox network.

I quit.

Quite simply, the position Fox has taken on our government’s policy of separating children from their parents is too heinous for me to accept.

Ann Coulter claimed that videos of crying children feature “child actors.”

Sean Hannity suggested that these children are part of a “rolling invasion” of our country.

And more than one announcer has suggested that these kids are actually better off in cages than they were with their parents. One heartless commentator dared say locking innocent children away was like “sending the kids to camp.”

Accepting that this misguided policy is wrong doesn’t depend on which side of the political aisle you’re on. It doesn’t matter if you support immigration and immigrants or if you don’t. And it doesn’t matter if you believe the law — or the Bible — gives our government the right to do what they’re doing or not.

Separating innocent children from their parents and jailing them is just plain wrong.
It’s not as if we don’t know better. We’ve seen this kind of abominable behavior before
….
Fox invites me to be on the air almost every single week. The other stations do not.
But all that was before you decided that separating innocent children from their parents was an acceptable practice. And it was before you supported people who will say anything — true or not — to defend this horribly un-American behavior.

Clearly, there’s nothing I can do to change the way you run your business.

And let’s be honest, none of the shows I’ve been on will even see a blip in viewership because I no longer appear on the programs. Truth is, no one will even know I’m not on Fox anymore.

But you will know. And I will know too.

I quit.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:10:27am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A portion would be smarter, eggs, basket, etc.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:14:17am

re: #385 Shropshire Slasher

That sounds very foolish to me, but to each their own.

Since neither of us have a crystal ball let’s not argue about the future; if we stick only to the present, the simple truth is, I don’t trust US banks anymore. I don’t see how that is “foolish”.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:14:26am

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

Trump’s trade war has been an absolute disaster. He tries to claim that steel industry has benefited, and there’s no evidence to suggest that.

Everyone’s going to be paying more, if they aren’t already.

Heck, if you like Jack Daniels, you’ll be paying more because the company’s product has gotten slapped with tariffs essentially killing sales overseas so they’ll have to make it up with higher prices here.

We’re all paying for Trump’s idiocy. His supporters and fans continue cheering it all because they want to watch it all burn down.

That’s why this is the Resistance. Even though I’m here in NYC and happen to be white, I’m also a minority (Jewish) and feel empathy towards others - a trait that the GOP spectacularly lacks. They want to impose their views, especially their religious views on everyone else.

This vocal minority of people who back Trump are intent on imposing their views on the majority of the nation that believes in separation of church and state, and which sees access to birth control, health care, and the option to get abortion as a right that should be protected. The GOP sees this as something to reverse because it again provides control over women that they want back.

Things to rally around in defiance and defense of women and minorities? ERA. I think now more than ever this is critical. We’re seeing the GOP eroding rights across the board, and with Kennedy’s retirement, the GOP will shift the balance even further to the right in an attempt to roll back rights even further.

They’re gunning to prevent any kind of social program on the scale/scope of Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare/SNAP, etc. from ever getting implemented again, despite fact that the Constitution explicitly indicates that Congress is required to provide for the general welfare of the nation - Art 1, Sec 8. That’s why we fight. That’s why we struggle.

We want to leave the nation better than we found it, and unfortunately there are too many people who think people who want to leave the nation better off are equated by the media or voters (who decide not to vote at all, protest vote, or cast ballot with the bigot) with those who seek to sabotage it or roll back decades of social progress.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:15:41am

re: #385 Shropshire Slasher

That sounds very foolish to me, but to each their own.

Sounds perfectly rational to me.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:17:12am

re: #391 Lupin

The FDIC has a terrible track record…

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:17:21am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:17:57am

re: #394 Shropshire Slasher

The FDIC has a terrible track record…

Glad you trust it. At this point, I trust no government program.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:18:38am

re: #392 lawhawk

Trump’s trade war has been an absolute disaster. He tries to claim that steel industry has benefited, and there’s no evidence to suggest that.

The French article I mentioned makes the point (I’m simplifying here) that what is bad for the US (either through chaos or failure) is good for Trump; that is not an idiot but merely all too willing to sacrifice his/your country to his on selfish interests. And the more he is cornered, the more he will do so.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:19:16am

re: #394 Shropshire Slasher

The FDIC has a terrible track record…

I’m not sure I see your point here?

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:21:12am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:21:43am

If
By Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build’em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And - which is more - you’ll be a Man, my son!

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:24:12am

In other news, the costs of the Theresa May inviting Trump to Scotland on a state visit will have to be borne by Scotland at policing is a devolved matter. We’re talking about approx. £5 million, with 5000 officers on standby.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:25:52am

re: #400 Shropshire Slasher

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs…you are woefully uninformed.

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mmmirele  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:26:11am

re: #321 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We had some anti-abortion protesters on the ASU campus in the 80’s. Somebody just sat down next to then with a box labeled “Free Coat Hangers”

I have some wire coat hangers coated in pink plastic I’ve been saving for this purpose.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:26:55am

re: #401 Lupin

In other news, the costs of the Theresa May inviting Trump to Scotland on a state visit will have to be borne by Scotland at policing is a devolved matter. We’re talking about approx. £5 million, with 5000 officers on standby.

Not to mention the people who will be taking to the streets.

I do not see trump going. He will never stand up for anything less than subservience.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:27:54am

re: #401 Lupin

In other news, the costs of the Theresa May inviting Trump to Scotland on a state visit will have to be borne by Scotland at policing is a devolved matter. We’re talking about approx. £5 million, with 5000 officers on standby.

I hope we see the return of the great Scottish Trump insults.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:29:33am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:29:48am

re: #395 MsJ

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Praying to God does no good in the Land of Ayn Rand.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:30:29am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

I hope we see the return of the great Scottish Trump insults.

My wet dream? Donald John Trumps motorcade being met with people on the sidewalks doing this, for miles and miles and miles…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:34:02am

re: #406 MsJ

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Literal Idiocracy

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:34:37am
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mmmirele  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:40:01am

ProPublica has a list of 97 shelters that are holding children here in the USA. Four of those shelters are within two miles of my house.

projects.propublica.org

I was shocked, because the closest “shelter” to me was, I thought, a youth drug rehab. I dropped a note to ProPublica letting them know that. It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that the operators have switched over to housing (incarcerating) immigrant children; there’s probably more money in that than in running a drug rehab for teens.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:40:48am

Trump reminds me more and more of President Selby in this classic episode of The Outer Limits!

archive.org

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:41:28am

Down 20 points in the minute it took me to read the article and refresh the page.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:42:56am

re: #411 mmmirele

ProPublica has a list of 97 shelters that are holding children here in the USA. Four of those shelters are within two miles of my house.

projects.propublica.org

I was shocked, because the closest “shelter” to me was, I thought, a youth drug rehab. I dropped a note to ProPublica letting them know that. It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that the operators have switched over to housing (incarcerating) immigrant children; there’s probably more money in that than in running a drug rehab for teens.

The reason trump wants to move these child prisons to military bases is that, first, it looks bad to protest the military and second, you can more easily get arrested doing so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:45:53am

re: #414 MsJ

The reason trump wants to move these child prisons to military bases is that, first, it looks bad to protest the military and second, you can more easily get arrested doing so.

And the military has higher standards of security and confidentiality and is a much better hierarchy for assuring that things that might prove embarrassing stay covered up…

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TedStriker  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:46:40am

re: #211 VegasGolfer

Not cool, even if you’re smashed.

Time for you to invoke the Iron Fist rule.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:47:44am

Good morning. I reviewed the many bottom comments. Glad I don’t have the hangover Brian J likely does. “In vino, amarumIn wine, bitterness. I feel a lot better this morning, just maybe starting to cope a little with all the bad news. Thanks to all those who responded to my efforts to see what we have to better plan what we can.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:49:11am

Less than 5 points away…

Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average

24,004.64 down −112.95 (0.47%)

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:50:39am

re: #370 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

On the block. These are awesome and will last a couple of weeks depending on species. Raccoon/Squirrel avoidance is a must.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:52:38am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:52:56am

re: #418 MsJ

I’m pretty sure that a lot of people have sell orders set at 24,000 even (because round numbers). Which means if we hit 24,000 we’ll probably go down a lot farther in a few minutes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:54:41am

re: #420 MsJ

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Good but I wonder if they’d do the same if he had said that about Muslims.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:56:14am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

He’d be on their short list for 2020.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:56:40am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:58:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:59:20am

re: #420 MsJ

“The North Carolina Republican Party has withdrawn support from a legislative nominee after a website connected to him said God is a racist white supremacist and Jews are descended from Satan.

NCGOP = RINO wimp cucks caving in to PC oppression!

/

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makeitstop  Jun 28, 2018 • 6:59:46am

re: #417 Unshaken Defiance

Good morning. I reviewed the many bottom comments. Glad I don’t have the hangover Brian J likely does. “In vino, amarum
In wine, bitterness. I feel a lot better this morning, just maybe starting to cope a little with all the bad news. Thanks to all those who responded to my efforts to see what we have to better plan what we can.

I’m pretty bitter this morning, and I don’t even drink wine.

When a community this normally stable gets as, umm, unstable as it was last night, you can tell that this fascist bullshit is stressing everyone out. It sucks.

But I reactively donated to Liuba Shirley’s campaign upon hearing the SCOTUS news yesterday, and after a flurry of work this weekend is done I’ll be reaching out to the campaign to see how I can help.

They’re going to be throwing roadblocks at us every damn day between now and November. We either push past them, or we turn out the lights.

The big question here is ‘How hard do we want to fight?’ This is a smart community, full of sharp minds. We had our mass freakout yesterday, time to get back to work.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:00:17am

re: #420 MsJ

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It sure sounds like a mainstream RepubliKKKlan to me!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:01:11am

re: #428 Joe Bacon 🌹

It sure sounds like a mainstream RepubliKKKlan to me!

He was just a bit too blatant about expressing those views…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:03:20am

re: #423 I cannot.

He’d be on their short list for 2020.

Yep.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:03:21am

Feed……. Portland

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:04:04am

I’m feeling frustrated both about the news and personal stuff. So I apologize in advance if I sound like a downer today.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:07:23am

re: #414 MsJ

The reason trump wants to move these child prisons to military bases is that, first, it looks bad to protest the military and second, you can more easily get arrested doing so.

and
- they can hide the costs easier
- controlled / limited access
- the protests will be at a distance from the structures - way outside the gates

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:07:46am

President Manger Merde is going to find out that when he puts millions of people up against the wall they will strike back.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:09:15am

re: #432 HappyWarrior

I’m feeling frustrated both about the news and personal stuff. So I apologize in advance if I sound like a downer today.

Happy, remember what John Lewis says!

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makeitstop  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:11:16am

re: #432 HappyWarrior

I’m feeling frustrated both about the news and personal stuff. So I apologize in advance if I sound like a downer today.

It’s hard not to be, Little Brother. But don’t let them take that fight out of you.

Keep ya head up.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:11:22am

re: #435 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, remember what John Lewis says!

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Yep, I’m going to D.C. on Saturday. I just have a lot of personal stuff on my table that I’d rather not discuss. Not trying ot be cryptic.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:12:05am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:12:23am

re: #436 makeitstop

It’s hard not to be, Little Brother. But don’t let them take that fight out of you.

Keep ya head up.

You know what gets me is even with this all staring us in teh face? I’m stil seeing smug assholes complain about HRC. Don’t tell me you’re staunchly pro-choice when you were willing to jeopardize Roe with a protest vote.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:14:17am

We forced Nixon and Agnew out. We will force Manger Merde and The Beard out of office too!

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:15:04am

re: #427 makeitstop

I’m pretty bitter this morning, and I don’t even drink wine.

When a community this normally stable gets as, umm, unstable as it was last night, you can tell that this fascist bullshit is stressing everyone out. It sucks.

But I reactively donated to Liuba Shirley’s campaign upon hearing the SCOTUS news yesterday, and after a flurry of work this weekend is done I’ll be reaching out to the campaign to see how I can help.

They’re going to be throwing roadblocks at us every damn day between now and November. We either push past them, or we turn out the lights.

The big question here is ‘How hard do we want to fight?’ This is a smart community, full of sharp minds. We had our mass freakout yesterday, time to get back to work.

re: #361 dangerman

Regain control. Regroup. React.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:25:36am

re: #440 Joe Bacon 🌹

We forced Nixon and Agnew out. We will force Manger Merde and The Beard out of office too!

“Zero Tolerance” is one of the most annoying terms ever. It is never universally applied. And in fact, it is more there to be selectively applied to certain groups.

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CleverToad  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:28:51am

re: #191 Unshaken Defiance

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:29:53am

re: #440 Joe Bacon 🌹

We forced Nixon and Agnew out. We will force Manger Merde and The Beard out of office too!

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Yes, but Nixon wasn’t catastrophic on the geopolitical scene. Trump is. The next shoe to drop (or such is the thought here) is the US pulling out of NATO.

I would think that would put him on a collision course with your generals, but then again, he betrayed your country to North Korea without a peep, so what do I know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:29:58am

re: #443 CleverToad

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:30:09am

re: #442 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Zero Tolerance” is one of the most annoying terms ever. It is never universally applied. And in fact, it is more there to be selectively applied to certain groups.

It worked against Bobby Knight!

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rhuarc  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:40:44am

re: #425 MsJ

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All those years Republicans, conservatives, and other anti-government people preached that we were a police state and that we needed to resist that. Now that we are very clearly inching that way with this administration where are all of these assholes now? Right behind the “jack-booted thugs” as a back-up force. Fuck every single one of them. I hope each of them shoots their dick off.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:42:25am

How did the rants from “Brian J” end last night? Did he manage to get himself banned?

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:42:48am

Democracy stolen.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:44:03am

re: #448 Dr. Matt

How did the rants from “Brian J” end last night? Did he manage to get himself banned?

What was that all about? Obstinance or Alcohol? Or both?

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:45:11am

re: #448 Dr. Matt

I think they kinda trailed off before the Mallet of Loving Correction was applied.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:45:29am

re: #450 Dave In Austin

What was that all about? Obstinance or Alcohol? Or both?

Man I’m glad I missed that.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:46:09am

re: #450 Dave In Austin

What was that all about? Obstinance or Alcohol? Or both?

He was demanding the resignation of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because…..

…..we’re all BernieBros and he is the enlightened one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:48:54am

JFC he believes the Russians over our own intel agencies.

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Sea Mexican!  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:50:03am

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

From downstairs
Shits gettin real serious. Whats your Resistance Curriculum Vitae?

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:50:11am

re: #454 The Vicious Babushka

JFC he believes the Russians over our own intel agencies.

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And still the chorus goes “Thurrs noh cullosion!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:51:00am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:51:04am

re: #454 The Vicious Babushka

JFC he believes the Russians over our own intel agencies.

If Russia says they didn’t meddle, why are you concerned about “Hillary/Russia”? And why are you asking about the DNC server, which your Russian agents hacked and whose emails you had dumped all over the media?

F0cker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:51:29am

re: #454 The Vicious Babushka

JFC he believes the Russians over our own intel agencies.

Because our FBI was compromised by liberals, never happened in Russia…

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:51:44am

Precisely.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:51:56am

re: #456 Teukka

And still the chorus goes “Thurrs noh cullosion!”

Mueller needs to ramp it up. Start going public.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:52:55am

re: #460 MsJ

Precisely.

I see no errors in any of these tweets.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:55:14am

re: #461 Sir John Barron

Mueller needs to ramp it up. Start going public.

Timing. He has to make sure that everything is absolutely unassailable because it will be attacked from all sides.

But not too late or then it will be then seen as meddling with the mid-terms…

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:56:21am

Morning!

Just wanted to drop by…got nothing to say.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:56:57am

re: #438 MsJ

About HRC, I’m sure, rather than Russia. Or about the people investigating Russia.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:57:47am

re: #464 ObserverArt

Morning!

Just wanted to drop by…got nothing to say.

You did say “morning”. So, technically, you did have something to say. :)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:58:07am

re: #463 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Timing. He has to make sure that everything is absolutely unassailable because it will be attacked from all sides.

But not too late or then it will be then seen as meddling with the mid-terms…

And in the meantime DJT and his acolytes continue to rail against Mueller and the investigation, trying to undermine it.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:58:12am

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 28, 2018 • 7:58:48am

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

A balloon of Peter Griffin?

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sagehen  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:00:15am

re: #454 The Vicious Babushka

JFC he believes the Russians over our own intel agencies.

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Pretends to believe. He knows better.

Even with his memory issues, and his disconnect from reality… he knows better.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:01:34am
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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:02:55am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:03:47am

re: #470 sagehen

Pretends to believe. He knows better.

Even with his memory issues, and his disconnect from reality… he knows better.

Perhaps. He believes his own propaganda. He is addled and it is easier to believe what you say. Whether he knows better or not remains to be diagnosed.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:08:27am

re: #447 rhuarc

All those years Republicans, conservatives, and other anti-government people preached that we were a police state and that we needed to resist that. Now that we are very clearly inching that way with this administration where are all of these assholes now? Right behind the “jack-booted thugs” as a back-up force. Fuck every single one of them. I hope each of them shoots their dick off.

more and more it feels like pointing out the object, rank, blatant hypocrisy of the right is pointless

it doesnt matter (to them)
it doesnt move any needles (any more) because it is a given

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:08:42am

re: #472 JordanRules

Location of Trump-Putin mtg in Helsinki makes sense from geographical point of view & speaks to Finnish skills in hosting high-level summits. But we must avoid false narratives about Finland’s geopolitical position. Finland is firmly part of the West & a deep partner of US & NATO

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Heh haven’t you received the memo? There’s no NATO anymore, or won’t be soon…

My heart bleeds for the damage Trump is doing to your country, but it pales compared to what he’s accomplishing worldwide.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:08:42am
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CleverToad  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:08:52am

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:10:57am

re: #464 ObserverArt

Morning!

Just wanted to drop by…got nothing to say.

agitator

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:11:00am

re: #473 MsJ

Perhaps. He believes his own propaganda. He is addled and it is easier to believe what you say. Whether he knows better or not remains to be diagnosed.

Why do you all keep believing that he is addled or is an idiot when so far he’s run rings around you and your establishment?

He is a narcissistic, cunning bastard who is profiting from selling out and generally smashing your country — and so far, he is winning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:11:36am

re: #477 CleverToad

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:11:54am

re: #475 Lupin

Heh haven’t you received the memo? There’s no NATO anymore, or won’t be soon…

My heart bleeds for the damage Trump is doing to your country, but it pales compared to what he’s accomplishing worldwide.

The world is better prepared to deal with it than we are. I think.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:12:11am

re: #479 Lupin

Why do you all keep believing that he is addled or is an idiot when so far he’s run rings around you and your establishment?

He is a narcissistic, cunning bastard who is profiting from selling out and generally smashing your country — and so far, he is winning.

whatever else you can say about him, he has been a genius about manipulating the media

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:13:21am

re: #475 Lupin

Heh haven’t you received the memo? There’s no NATO anymore, or won’t be soon…

I think that the time is long overdue to revamp NATO and reconsider its mission, but unilateral withdrawal on the part of the US is not the optimal solution.

But it would be the Trump way of doing things.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:13:48am

re: #477 CleverToad

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:14:02am

re: #481 JordanRules

The world is better prepared to deal with it than we are. I think.

To a point. It takes times to recover from finding your best ally in bed with a Russian thug. :-)

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:15:05am

re: #479 Lupin

Why do you all keep believing that he is addled or is an idiot when so far he’s run rings around you and your establishment?

He is a narcissistic, cunning bastard who is profiting from selling out and generally smashing your country — and so far, he is winning.

The establishment agrees with him and is filling in many of the competency voids. Dude is addled and still dangerous but we’ve had the infrastructure in place for the GOP to do this for a while. And they could do it with a less nutty guy at the helm too.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:15:08am

re: #479 Lupin

Why do you all keep believing that he is addled or is an idiot when so far he’s run rings around you and your establishment?

He is a narcissistic, cunning bastard who is profiting from selling out and generally smashing your country — and so far, he is winning.

I think he is addled (in terms of being pre-dementia). Listen to him speak. That doesn’t preclude or exclude the fact that he is an evil bastard, who is cunning and able to read people’s vulnerabilities and take advantage of them.

You are making a binary point which I do not agree with. I am more of the “All of them, Katie” belief.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:15:34am

re: #483 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that the time is long overdue to revamp NATO and reconsider its mission, but unilateral withdrawal on the part of the US is not the optimal solution.

But it would be the Trump way of doing things.

NATO is kind of the Maginot Line of the 21st century, I agree, but the Bear is miore aggressive than ever…

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rhuarc  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:15:53am

re: #474 dangerman

more and more it feels like pointing out the object, rank, blatant hypocrisy of the right is pointless

it doesnt matter (to them)
it doesnt move any needles (any more) because it is a given

If only the media would take it upon themselves to ALWAYS point out the hypocrisy. Just shove this hypocrisy down the throat of Americans until they fucking get it and do something about it.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:17:13am

re: #487 MsJ

I think he is addled (in terms of being pre-dementia). Listen to him speak. That doesn’t preclude or exclude the fact that he is an evil bastard, who is cunning and able to read people’s vulnerabilities and take advantage of them.

You are making a binary point which I do not agree with. I am more of the “All of them, Katie” belief.

I could see that. It is obvious when you look at old tapes of him that his cognitive faculties have diminished… And yet the evil bastard, as you put it, is winning…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:17:30am

re: #488 Lupin

NATO is kind of the Maginot Line of the 21st century, I agree, but the Bear is miore aggressive than ever…

I have to disagree with you on that one, after all NATO expanded right up to the borders of the Russian Federation.

Not that it justifies what Putin has been doing in the Crimea or Donbass.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:20:05am

re: #490 Lupin

I could see that. It is obvious when you look at old tapes of him that his cognitive faculties have diminished… And yet the evil bastard, as you put it, is winning

With full support from every elected Republican.

With support of the SCOTUS majority.

With support of the US press.

With full support from national propaganda outlets like Fox and now Sinclair.

He is not winning this alone. The takeover of American democracy is not simply Trump’s doing. He is their tool.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:20:25am
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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:21:16am

re: #491 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to disagree with you on that one, after all NATO expanded right up to the borders of the Russian Federation.

Not that it justifies what Putin has been doing in the Crimea or Donbass.

You may be justified in arguing that the Bear is in fact responding to earlier NATO expansion, but that’s in the past now, and today, we have to deal with a more aggressive Bear, so while NATO might be faulted, right now, it is more necessary than before. However how effective it is in its current form reminds me of the Magino Line, ie the French always ready to fight the previous war. NATO is a WWII/Cold War tool at best, and obviously ill-suited to the current climate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:21:44am

re: #492 MsJ

With full support from every elected Republican.

With support of the SCOTUS majority.

With support of the US press.

With full support from national propaganda outlets like Fox and now Sinclair.

He is not winning this alone. The takeover of American democracy is not simply Trump’s doing. He is their tool.

With the help of an electoral system that gave the GOP a legislative and Electoral College majority even though they did not get the majority of the votes nationwide.

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:21:53am

re: #478 dangerman

agitator

Agitated.

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:22:54am

re: #492 MsJ

With full support from every elected Republican.

With support of the SCOTUS majority.

With support of the US press.

With full support from national propaganda outlets like Fox and now Sinclair.

He is not winning this alone. The takeover of American democracy is not simply Trump’s doing. He is their tool.

In some specific areas (eg tax cuts) you are correct, but generally he is leading them, dragging them even. It’s more a rel8uctant absence of opposition than support.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:23:31am

re: #494 Lupin

You may be justified in arguing that the Bear is in fact responding to earlier NATO expansion, but that’s in the past now, and today, we have to deal with a more aggressive Bear, so while NATO might be faulted, right now, it is more necessary than before. However how effective it is in its current form reminds me of the Magino Line, ie the French always ready to fight the previous war. NATO is a WWII/Cold War tool at best, and obviously ill-suited to the current climate.

I should have been more clear in stating that Putin’s aggression is not necessarily a reaction to NATO expansion but that NATO expanding up to the borders of Russia was nonetheless a bad move.

And yes, NATO was created as a counter to the Warsaw Pact, which has been defunct for decades.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:24:01am

re: #496 ObserverArt

Agitated.

Good man!

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Lupin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:25:23am

re: #498 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I should have been more clear in stating that Putin’s aggression is not necessarily a reaction to NATO expansion but that NATO expanding up to the borders of Russia was nonetheless a bad move.

And yes, NATO was created as a counter to the Warsaw Pact, which has been defunct for decades.

I’m in complete agreement.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:26:14am

re: #497 Lupin

In some specific areas (eg tax cuts) you are correct, but generally he is leading them, dragging them even. It’s more a rel8uctant absence of opposition than support.

I completely disagree. Yes, tax cuts were number one. But he is still totally their tool. They skirt around support - only so they can weasel out of it once (if) the shit hits the fan. There is more shit for them to fuck up…Social Security, Medicare, etc.

Trump is a tool for them to achieve their wet dreams of reversing the New Deal. They will never turn on him while this continues apace. Never.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:26:30am

re: #497 Lupin

In some specific areas (eg tax cuts) you are correct, but generally he is leading them, dragging them even. It’s more a rel8uctant absence of opposition than support.

He didn’t even consistently hold many of these positions or know what they meant before he was installed (still doesn’t in many cases). The GOP has the history here, whether it be the evangelical faction, the white supremacist anti-globalist faction or the 1% or bust faction. None of this started with him.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:28:28am

re: #454 The Vicious Babushka

JFC he believes the Russians over our own intel agencies.

I wonder if Putin “confessed” to colluding with HRC whether DJT would love him any less.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:28:39am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:28:41am

re: #502 JordanRules

He didn’t even consistently hold many of these positions or know what they meant before he was installed (still doesn’t in many cases). The GOP has the history here, whether it be the evangelical faction, the white supremacist anti-globalist faction or the 1% or bust faction. None of this started with him.

Exactly.

He is not just their tool, he will be their fall guy.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:29:59am
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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:32:03am

re: #461 Sir John Barron

Mueller needs to ramp it up. Start going public.

re: #463 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Timing. He has to make sure that everything is absolutely unassailable because it will be attacked from all sides.

But not too late or then it will be then seen as meddling with the mid-terms…

My fear is that Donald John Trump and his cronies arrange a Reichstag fire sort of affair to pre-empt Mueller.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:32:43am

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:32:50am

re: #508 MsJ

Anyone who didn’t see this coming?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:36:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:40:24am

re: #509 MsJ

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Who honestly is shocked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:41:09am

re: #507 Teukka

My fear is that Donald John Trump and his cronies arrange a Reichstag fire sort of affair to pre-empt Mueller.

This has been the problem all along in dealing with DT: chaos and obfustication always win out over order and transparency.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:42:51am

re: #512 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This has been the problem all along in dealing with DT: chaos and obfustication always wins out of order and transparency.

I just hope that it happens in time, or at least that it won’t stop the investigations in the US or internationally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:47:30am

re: #513 Teukka

I just hope that it happens in time, or at least that it won’t stop the investigations in the US or internationally.

They just need one small inconsistency that they can pounce on to then declare the entire investigation to be invalid and fraudulent…

which is why Mueller is playing his cards so close to his chest. Any sort of partial leak could scupper the whole process.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:49:23am

re: #514 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just need one small inconsistency that they can pounce on to then declare the entire investigation to be invalid and fraudulent…

which is why Mueller is playing his cards so close to his chest. Any sort of partial leak could scupper the whole process.

Either that, or he already has the aces, but wants to see how deep the rot goes to secure himself and the Bureau.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:51:08am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:52:20am

re: #516 JordanRules

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:52:32am

This idiot Jordan should not be anywhere near the levers of power.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:53:15am

re: #518 JordanRules

This idiot Jordan should not be anywhere near the levers of power.

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That’s what happens when an angry idiot with no real experience gets power.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:54:35am

re: #518 JordanRules

This idiot Jordan should not be anywhere near the levers of power.

What a tool.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:54:38am

The nerve of you and all your bad haircuts Gowdy.
Go away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:55:19am

re: #515 Teukka

Either that, or he already has the aces, but wants to see how deep the rot goes to secure himself and the Bureau.

Here is the point: the only body that can act upon his findings is the US Congress. They have the option of choosing to ignore his findings. He has to make sure that his findings are so unassailable that Congress would have to make itself complicit by not acting on them.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:55:30am

re: #521 JordanRules

The nerve of you and all your bad haircuts Gowdy.
Go away.

But the Hillary email investigation should continue indefinitely.

/

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:57:03am
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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:57:32am

re: #523 Sir John Barron

But the Hillary email investigation should continue indefinitely.

/

It’s the zombie investigation.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:57:51am

re: #523 Sir John Barron

But the Hillary email investigation should continue indefinitely.

/

And when the investigation into Clinton ends, the GOP will claim that they’ve got new evidence (total BS) to launch yet another investigation that turns out to be a nothingburger.

GOP got Hillary on the stand for 11 hours and they weren’t able to poke holes in anything she said. They couldn’t find anything to charge her with.

11 hours.

They had nothing. They’ll beat that dead horse because it’s an article of faith that she did something illegal and therefore it’s only a matter of time before some investigation proves it. We just need more investigations.

Meanwhile, in less time and cost, Mueller’s already found widespread criminality in Trumpworld, but we’re supposed to believe it’s a witch hunt.

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Sea Mexican!  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:58:33am

re: #516 JordanRules

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IIRC, it’s already on the Dems platform for PR (under the “allow free determination bla bla bla”).

Despite the results of the last (sham) referendum, statehood doesn’t have the numbers still to be a solid majority.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:59:23am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:59:27am

re: #521 JordanRules

.@TGowdySC: “Whatever you got, finish it the hell up, because this country is being torn apart.”

Spoken like someone who cares not one whit about the collusion that’s already been exposed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 8:59:27am

Rush the Mueller investigation but take your sweet time on Benghazi. Because you know, the President and his aides conspiriing with a hostile government is meh. And oyu know what, if this had happened with Clinton, they’d be wanting blood.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:00:00am

re: #529 Sir John Barron

Spoken like someone who cares not one whit about the collusion that’s already been exposed.

Someone who’s going to get a nice little pension from the government he got elected hating.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:00:45am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:01:23am

Senator Warner lets loose a thread in response to the Dotard

Rest of thread behind the clicky

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:01:27am

re: #532 JordanRules

Even more amazing the reason why: they want to cover up DJT’s collusion and illegality.

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Sea Mexican!  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:01:33am

re: #443 CleverToad

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:01:47am

re: #532 JordanRules

“Rule of Law” indeed.

Spit

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:02:37am

We all need to find some calm. To regain control of our essential and unassailable selves

- Meditate
- Sometimes turn off the news
- Turn on Mozart or the music of your choice
- Walk in the woods or a park

- Ask yourself every day what good can i do today?

And always smile, breathe and go slowly

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:05:07am

re: #492 MsJ

With full support from every elected Republican.

With support of the SCOTUS majority.

With support of the US press.

With full support from national propaganda outlets like Fox and now Sinclair.

He is not winning this alone. The takeover of American democracy is not simply Trump’s doing. He is their tool.

and they for some reason (tax cuts) have willingly rolled over to be his in all this other stuff

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:05:32am

LOL

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:07:54am

re: #511 HappyWarrior

Who honestly is shocked.

No one. Not a single living person.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:08:24am

re: #506 MsJ

Sen McConnell usually shrugs off attacks but he’s not happy with charges he is a hypocrite for confirming a justice in mid-term election year. “These aren’t the final months of a second-term constitutionally lame-duck presidency with a presidential election fast approaching.”

“Final months” = March 16, 2016 when Obama nominated Garland

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:12:20am

re: #541 dangerman

“Final months” = March 16, 2016 when Obama nominated Garland

Final Months=Whatever time period is necessary to BS our way to being shty to the president and nominee not of our political party.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:12:27am

re: #538 dangerman

and they for some reason (tax cuts) have willingly rolled over to be his in all this other stuff

All the other stuff is theirs too. One example…He does not and has never given a whit about what the Pence-Mercer religious nut faction wants and has been working at for decades.

Dig into any one issue and you’ll find the think tanks, the corrupt lobbying networks and decades of work at the local level. Sometimes you can even find Russian involvement years before the big election op. We’ve had all the needed infrastucture at the ready before he was installed.

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Weaselone  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:12:54am

re: #497 Lupin

In some specific areas (eg tax cuts) you are correct, but generally he is leading them, dragging them even. It’s more a rel8uctant absence of opposition than support.

The Republican party and the aligned apparatus has spent the last 50 years creating this monster believing they could control it and use it to accomplish their objectives. The monster isn’t Trump, it’s the Republican base. Trump’s just the monster’s largest anus. Originally, the monster was under the control of it’s handlers, but over the decades it’s proceeded to eat many if not most of them and replace them with various appendages, orifices and other parts of it’s anatomy. The end result is that the monster is out of control and any remaining handlers who make too much of a fuss are just going to get eaten. So they just shout out things like “hey, wouldn’t tax cuts be grand” and “libtards would cry if we did this” and the monster usually goes along with it because it likes tax cuts and hates liberals.

Trump=Republican base. Republicans follow Trump so the base doesn’t eat them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:13:36am

re: #541 dangerman

“Final months” = March 16, 2016 when Obama nominated Garland

If the same thing had happened in 2008, McConnell would have urged that Bush’s nominee be treated with respect. McConnell needs to be hammered hard for this. He may not care but the voters might.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:15:09am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:16:41am

re: #546 JordanRules

Trump’s tweet backing Russia ahead of the NATO summit is rattling U.S. allies in Europe, reports @natashabertrand theatlantic.com

— The Atlantic

Which tweet was this that backed Russia? The one about Russia meddling (which I don’t think other countries care much about)?

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Citizen K  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:16:43am

re: #534 Sir John Barron

Even more amazing the reason why: they want to cover up DJT’s collusion and illegality.

Which is why Mueller will amount to nothing: he could find that Trump literally assisted in mass murder in order to gain the election and maintain influence, and the GOP controlled congress will shrug and decide it’s all worth it for infinite power and to trigger the libs.

Why should they do anything after all. They won everything. They have all the power and the opportunity to ensure they never lose that power ever, even with minor blips in congressional make-up. They own the fucking country from the top down for the next two generations at least.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:19:29am

re: #544 Weaselone

Trump=Republican base. Republicans follow Trump so the base doesn’t eat them.

Trump guarantees them a solid 30%. Then they just have to get another 20-odd percent of voters to go along with them to secure an electoral majority.

Voter suppression helps, but as we have seen, ideological purity, apathy and indifference are the best vote suppressors.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:20:48am
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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:24:53am

re: #547 Sir John Barron

Which tweet was this that backed Russia? The one about Russia meddling (which I don’t think other countries care much about)?

That tweet is not doing a lot of the work in her piece. Bad headline summary by the Atlantic. But yes, I do think they care because a lot of their intel agencies helped ours figure out what’s up and because they’re at risk. Their best former ally has a leader undermining everything all the time and each tweet is a reminder of the insecurity and chaos that is to come.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:29:43am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

If the same thing had happened in 2008, McConnell would have urged that Bush’s nominee be treated with respect. McConnell needs to be hammered hard for this. He may not care but the voters might.

The article from TPM linked above actually makes a more compelling argument that Trump shouldn’t be allowed to have any SCOTUS nominee confirmed given the pending investigations and court cases against him, and the reasonable likelihood that his nominee would play a prominent role in deciding significant legal issues concerning the Russia investigation, the lawsuit re: Emoluments Clause violations, and procedural issues surrounding each. Massive conflict of interest.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:31:15am

re: #544 Weaselone

The Republican party and the aligned apparatus has spent the last 50 years creating this monster believing they could control it and use it to accomplish their objectives. The monster isn’t Trump, it’s the Republican base. Trump’s just the monster’s largest anus. Originally, the monster was under the control of it’s handlers, but over the decades it’s proceeded to eat many if not most of them and replace them with various appendages, orifices and other parts of it’s anatomy. The end result is that the monster is out of control and any remaining handlers who make too much of a fuss are just going to get eaten. So they just shout out things like “hey, wouldn’t tax cuts be grand” and “libtards would cry if we did this” and the monster usually goes along with it because it likes tax cuts and hates liberals.

Trump=Republican base. Republicans follow Trump so the base doesn’t eat them.

i think this is frighteningly accurate

too much of what’s going on now is because the WH realized that no one would stop them

i still dont believe there was a plan from the start
what they are finding is they can do what they want because of the bold above

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:31:24am

re: #552 Mike Lamb

The article from TPM linked above actually makes a more compelling argument that Trump shouldn’t be allowed to have any SCOTUS nominee confirmed given the pending investigations and court cases against him, and the reasonable likelihood that his nominee would play a prominent role in deciding significant legal issues concerning the Russia investigation, the lawsuit re: Emoluments Clause violations, and procedural issues surrounding each. Massive conflict of interest.

They should stonewall this for at least the same length of time the GOP blocked Merrick Garland just out of general principles, let them come up with any excuse, argument or procedural finegaling that they can use.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:33:05am

re: #554 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They should stonewall this for at least the same length of time the GOP blocked Merrick Garland just out of general principles, let them come up with any excuse, argument or procedural finegaling that they can use.

Did the Dems try to filibuster Gorsch only to have Mitch kill the filibuster for judicial nominees?

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gwangung  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:33:40am

re: #552 Mike Lamb

The article from TPM linked above actually makes a more compelling argument that Trump shouldn’t be allowed to have any SCOTUS nominee confirmed given the pending investigations and court cases against him, and the reasonable likelihood that his nominee would play a prominent role in deciding significant legal issues concerning the Russia investigation, the lawsuit re: Emoluments Clause violations, and procedural issues surrounding each. Massive conflict of interest.

Though I’m sure Republican assholes will try to gin up a fake investigation to delay a nomination if and when the next Democratic president is elected.

But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use this means now.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:33:54am
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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:34:21am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

If the same thing had happened in 2008, McConnell would have urged that Bush’s nominee be treated with respect. McConnell needs to be hammered hard for this. He may not care but the voters might.

personally i think not
as i said somewhere above it doesnt move any needles (any more) because it is a given

the r’s dont care about hypocrisy. it’s their MO
and pointing it out doesnt seem to stick to them

and the rest of the voters either know already or dont care or dont understand the significance of this any more than 100 other issues of import.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:34:30am

re: #552 Mike Lamb

The article from TPM linked above actually makes a more compelling argument that Trump shouldn’t be allowed to have any SCOTUS nominee confirmed given the pending investigations and court cases against him, and the reasonable likelihood that his nominee would play a prominent role in deciding significant legal issues concerning the Russia investigation, the lawsuit re: Emoluments Clause violations, and procedural issues surrounding each. Massive conflict of interest.

Agreed! This argument is much more compelling and critical to me.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:36:43am

re: #552 Mike Lamb

The article from TPM linked above actually makes a more compelling argument that Trump shouldn’t be allowed to have any SCOTUS nominee confirmed given the pending investigations and court cases against him, and the reasonable likelihood that his nominee would play a prominent role in deciding significant legal issues concerning the Russia investigation, the lawsuit re: Emoluments Clause violations, and procedural issues surrounding each. Massive conflict of interest.

If only the Dems controlled the Senate.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:36:55am

re: #553 dangerman

i think this is frighteningly accurate

too much of what’s going on now is because the WH realized that no one would stop them

i still dont believe there was a plan from the start
what they are finding is they can do what they want because of the bold above

I believe many of the electeds agree with the monster base and have been doing the work with them on the ground for years pushing their agenda locally and waiting for their national moment which they now have.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:37:34am

re: #558 MsJ

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:38:01am

re: #548 Citizen K

Which is why Mueller will amount to nothing: he could find that Trump literally assisted in mass murder in order to gain the election and maintain influence, and the GOP controlled congress will shrug and decide it’s all worth it for infinite power and to trigger the libs.

Why should they do anything after all. They won everything. They have all the power and the opportunity to ensure they never lose that power ever, even with minor blips in congressional make-up. They own the fucking country from the top down for the next two generations at least.

your bold is likely true. the italics i think are not necessarily

from electoral-vote.com this AM:

For the moment, the GOP—though it represents less than 30% of the country’s registered voters—has a hammerlock on all three branches of the federal government. When it comes to the legislative and executive branches, that hammerlock is, at most, a short- or medium-term situation. The red team will eventually ebb out of power and the blue team will eventually flow into power, as is always the case with the two branches subject to the will of the voting public. In particular, the current bull market is probably approaching its end, and when it eventually tanks, it will take the economy with it. When the economy is in the toilet, the president gets blamed, even though presidents don’t have that much effect on the economy (at least, if they avoid starting trade wars).

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:38:27am

re: #562 JordanRules

I believe many of the electeds agree with the monster base and have been doing the work with them on the ground for years pushing their agenda locally and waiting for their national moment which they now have.

yeah they’re increasingly one and the same. The Eric Cantor loss taught them that, if nothing else did.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:39:30am

re: #557 gwangung

Though I’m sure Republican assholes will try to gin up a fake investigation to delay a nomination if and when the next Democratic president is elected.

But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use this means now.

I definitely thought about this and assume it’s one of the reasons some are reticent to go full steam ahead with this argument even though I think it’s unquestionably important to do so.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:39:40am

re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth

“But Harley Davidson, such Losers, very bad actors, lying about Great Tariff Trade War”

//

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:39:51am

re: #552 Mike Lamb

The article from TPM linked above actually makes a more compelling argument that Trump shouldn’t be allowed to have any SCOTUS nominee confirmed given the pending investigations and court cases against him, and the reasonable likelihood that his nominee would play a prominent role in deciding significant legal issues concerning the Russia investigation, the lawsuit re: Emoluments Clause violations, and procedural issues surrounding each. Massive conflict of interest.

they will argue to seat whoever he picks (to lock it in) and /she will recuse himself (if necessary /s)

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:40:34am

re: #561 Sir John Barron

If only the Dems controlled the Senate.

I understand that the options are limited. But for electoral purposes at least, they need to hammer this issue over and over. The hypocrisy is so stark, the conflict of interest so glaring, that it can’t be swept under the rug easily.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:41:09am

re: #568 dangerman

they will argue to seat whoever he picks (to lock it in) and /she will recuse himself (if necessary /s)

Recusal? Hah!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:41:30am
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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:43:01am

re: #564 dangerman

It is interesting that in this instance, any economic downturn can, in fact, be directly attributed to Trump’s and the GOP’s economic illiteracy.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:43:22am

re: #570 Mike Lamb

Recusal? Hah!

i used the little /s thingie

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:43:56am
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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:44:04am

re: #572 Mike Lamb

It is interesting that in this instance, any economic downturn can, in fact, be directly attributed to Trump’s and the GOP’s economic illiteracy.

exactly so

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:46:01am

re: #554 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They should stonewall this for at least the same length of time the GOP blocked Merrick Garland just out of general principles, let them come up with any excuse, argument or procedural finegaling that they can use.

Before you get your hopes up, do please remember that the Repugs held the majority in the Senate when Garland was nominated. They could control the process.

The Democrats do. not. have. any. leverage. They might be able to delay things a bit. Do not blame them for what is actually impossible for them to do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:50:25am

re: #576 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

The Democrats do. not. have. any. leverage. They might be able to delay things a bit. Do not blame them for what is actually impossible for them to do.

I am aware.

I just do not want to see our country set back by decades.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:54:41am

I’m not reading anything more into this but it is a remarkable reminder about how the monied and powerful have their own very insulated networks.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 9:58:10am

re: #578 JordanRules

I’m not reading anything more into this but it is a remarkable reminder about how the monied and powerful have their own very insulated networks.

yes but the Clinton Foundation.

////

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:00:25am

re: #576 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Before you get your hopes up, do please remember that the Repugs held the majority in the Senate when Garland was nominated. They could control the process.

The Democrats do. not. have. any. leverage. They might be able to delay things a bit. Do not blame them for what is actually impossible for them to do.

The hope is that Trump has an own goal, and nominates his version of Harriet Miers (Pirro, c’mon down!) such that even the GOP can’t get behind the nomination. This in turn delays things until the mid-terms, where we would hopefully take back Congress, and could ratchet up the pressure to such a degree that a confirmation couldn’t happen during a lame duck Congress.

At which point, I’ll hop on my plug in electric flying unicorn, and zip off to my chalet in the Swiss Alps.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:01:48am

re: #576 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Before you get your hopes up, do please remember that the Repugs held the majority in the Senate when Garland was nominated. They could control the process.

The Democrats do. not. have. any. leverage. They might be able to delay things a bit. Do not blame them for what is actually impossible for them to do.

I’m starting to see media talk about taking the Senate now framed far away from highly unlikely. And it doesn’t feel like grounded analysis around a fired up Democratic base and newly energized electorate. And how the calculation could change because of X,Y,Z making a Dem Senate takeover a bit more possible. It feels like a set-up.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:02:08am

re: #558 MsJ

Trump, Walker and GOP were happy to give a foreign company $4 billion in tax breaks to put factories in Wisconsin. Turns out that Foxconn had no interest in anything other than the money, and will be more than happy to pay lip service while getting the money.

If Foxconn doesn’t build out everything they claimed they’d do, taxpayers would never see a dime and will instead be on the hook for decades to come.

If this sounds familiar, it should - it’s the same con job that Trump and the GOP repeatedly play on tax breaks and government programs.

Of course, this was all entirely predictable when the state front loaded the benefits and put together a proposal far in excess of any benefit to the state, and then the GOPers pushed it through.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:04:24am

Sheboygan!

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gocart mozart  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:05:29am
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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:05:34am

Important thread.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:05:38am

re: #583 JordanRules

Sheboygan!

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I guess Trump’s “special relationship” goes way back.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:05:49am

re: #580 Mike Lamb

The hope is that Trump has an own goal, and nominates his version of Harriet Miers (Pirro, c’mon down!) such that even the GOP can’t get behind the nomination. This in turn delays things until the mid-terms, where we would hopefully take back Congress, and could ratchet up the pressure to such a degree that a confirmation couldn’t happen during a lame duck Congress.

At which point, I’ll hop on my plug in electric flying unicorn, and zip off to my chalet in the Swiss Alps.

when all you got is a hail mary pass, you throw it

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CleverToad  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:07:50am

re: #535 Sea Mexican!

re: #191 Unshaken Defiance

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:08:02am

re: #586 HappyWarrior

I guess Trump’s “special relationship” goes way back.

Very much so and it’s well documented. Press didn’t cover it much during the campaign tho and still doesn’t do enough IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:08:31am

re: #589 JordanRules

Very much so and it’s well documented. Press didn’t cover it much during the campaign tho and still doesn’t do enough IMO.

Butter emails.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:10:03am

re: #586 HappyWarrior

I guess Trump’s “special relationship” goes way back.

All the way back when Uncle Vova still worked for the КГБ… And it’s known that the КГБ lured businessmen they could cultivate…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:12:22am

re: #591 Teukka

All the way back when Uncle Vova still worked for the КГБ… And it’s known that the КГБ lured businessmen they could cultivate…

and as I was discussing, the purpose of making a large business loan is not to see it repaid, but to use it as leverage to gain a piece of the action…

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:13:09am

re: #592 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and as I was discussing, the purpose of making a large business loan is not to see it repaid, but to use it as leverage to gain a piece of the action…

Precisely.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:14:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:14:45am

re: #593 Teukka

Precisely.

It is why we loaned all that money to China in the 19th century…so we could then come in with gunboats to “collect our debts”

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:15:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:15:52am

re: #594 JordanRules

This Saturday, 2600 Puerto Rican families will be kicked out of FEMA funded temporary housing on Sat, many in Florida.

The spin:

“Trump administration helps Americans overcome dependency on government programs!”

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:17:37am
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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:18:06am

As I said, certain behavior has spread this side of the pond as well… First video clip on the site, the first one to play.
Basically, a guy chased others with a knife while screaming racist stuff…
aftonbladet.se

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:20:09am

re: #597 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The spin:

“Trump administration helps Americans overcome dependency on government programs!”

But of course. After all, the GOP theory on domestic economic policy/social safety net is that the poor will do more if they have less, while the rich will do less if they don’t have more.

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:20:10am

re: #592 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and as I was discussing, the purpose of making a large business loan is not to see it repaid, but to use it as leverage to gain a piece of the action…

Or to ahem influence behavior

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:22:59am

re: #601 dangerman

Or to ahem influence behavior

Yep. Of course, it would never happen to a republican… ///

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:25:16am

re: #597 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The spin:

“Trump administration helps Americans Puerto Ricans overcome dependency on government programs!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:26:55am

The most recent series of Fargo involved a company that ran parking garages and had to take loans from a Russian-linked bank in 2008…and of course, the bank does not want to be repaid, it wants to use the company as a cash-rich “partner” to front its money laundering operations.

Anything else would count as spoiler.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:27:29am

“It’s incredibly unusual,” said Stephen Kerrigan, who planned the 2009 and 2013 Obama inaugural festivities and said every guest was scrutinized for foreign ties. “Particularly if they were going to be within arm’s reach of the President, they went through an intensive vetting process.”

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:28:03am

re: #598 JordanRules

[Embedded content]”Wisconsin is paying as much as $1 million per job, which will carry an average salary of $54,000

Sounds like socialism to me

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:28:54am
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ericblair  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:31:33am

re: #498 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I should have been more clear in stating that Putin’s aggression is not necessarily a reaction to NATO expansion but that NATO expanding up to the borders of Russia was nonetheless a bad move.

And yes, NATO was created as a counter to the Warsaw Pact, which has been defunct for decades.

It wasn’t a bad move for the Baltic states and Poland, who really, really wanted to join NATO, were allowed to join, and haven’t been invaded by Russia. Unlike other countries. And as for it being like the Warsaw Pact, a collection of client states of the USSR; no, that’s what Trump thinks it is.

NATO expanded to the borders of Russia in 1949. Look at a map, and look up north.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:35:30am

re: #607 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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We can stop comparing her to Bernie now.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:37:14am
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:41:51am

re: #479 Lupin

Why do you all keep believing that he is addled or is an idiot when so far he’s run rings around you and your establishment?

He is a narcissistic, cunning bastard who is profiting from selling out and generally smashing your country — and so far, he is winning.

These things aren’t mutually exclusive though. He can be both an idiot and somewhat cunning, particularly when he’s acting according to his advisors. Where he fucks up quite often is in just ignoring his advisors as in the “do not congratulate” moment, or shitting all over our allies. The reason he’s not paying that much of a political price for this isn’t because he’s smart but because he’s being cynically enabled and supported by Republicans soulless monsters with no genuine principles or integrity. He’s winning because a solid third of American society is pure trash.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:43:08am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:44:31am

re: #612 JordanRules

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Jordan and the assholes want to push a narrative that Rosenstein and Wray were Obama apointees out to destroy Trump. Truth is before this election, they had more GOP bonafides than Trump. Boehner was right, the GOP is the Trump party. Everything is about personal loyalty to him.

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Jay C  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:46:51am

re: #582 lawhawk

Trump, Walker and GOP were happy to give a foreign company $4 billion in tax breaks to put factories in Wisconsin. Turns out that Foxconn had no interest in anything other than the money, and will be more than happy to pay lip service while getting the money.

If Foxconn doesn’t build out everything they claimed they’d do, taxpayers would never see a dime and will instead be on the hook for decades to come.

If this sounds familiar, it should - it’s the same con job that Trump and the GOP repeatedly play on tax breaks and government programs.

Of course, this was all entirely predictable when the state front loaded the benefits and put together a proposal far in excess of any benefit to the state, and then the GOPers pushed it through.

Of course it was “entirely predictable”, and was predicted. I read a ton of analysis on the Foxconn deal since the outlines of it were first announced, and the economic “downside” - i.e. that the Chinese would get oodle-tons of the State of Wisconsin’s cash (a vast amount upfront, too IIRC) in return for vague (and largely unenforceable) promises to build enormous facilities and hire thousands upon thousands of deserving locals - was obvious from the get-go.

But of course, negative analysis got basically ignored or dismissed in favor of Scott Walker’s incessant blaring about “30,000 jobs”, so there we are…

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:50:40am
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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:50:44am

re: #610 JordanRules

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Future Trump tweet: Why won’t the House Judiciary committee issue a criminal referral for Wray’s and Rosenstein’s PERJURY! Conflicted angry Democrats!

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:52:16am

re: #615 JordanRules

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I’m sure it’s no big deal. Highlighter yellow fluids are rarely toxic…

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:53:57am

re: #615 JordanRules

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Looks like Yellow Boy.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:55:46am
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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:56:46am

GAH!! Gag, ack, BARF.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:57:04am

re: #618 goddamnedfrank

Looks like Yellow Boy.

Oh I liked his first mixed tape!

//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:57:57am

re: #620 MsJ

GAH!! Gag, ack, BARF.

[Embedded content]

Ew.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 10:59:01am

re: #619 JordanRules

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:02:57am

KJU got everything he wanted from Trump and now he’s making it crystal clear to everyone at home that there is no change in policy.

A senior North Korean military officer who told colleagues they no longer needed to “suffer and tighten our belts to make rockets and nuclear weapons” has been executed by firing squad, according to reports in dissident media.

The officer was named by the Seoul-based Daily NK news website as Hyon Ju-song, a 56-year-old lieutenant general who was serving as director of the services inspection division of the People’s Armed Forces.

Lt. Gen. Hyon appears to have become excited at the possibility that the detente that has taken place on the Korean Peninsula this year will develop into full-blown peace and got ahead of official party policy.

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BeachDem  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:04:23am

Jordan is the perfect incarnation of the GOP in 2018 — unhinged, bullying, unbound by facts and unconcerned with the norms of democratic government…It is a vivid display of a party that refuses to fulfill its constitutional functions and aids and abets the president’s attacks on the rule of law.

Which Dem said/wrote it?

Actually, it was Jennifer Rubin. And her column is still touted as from a “center-right perspective.” When is she going to give up the ghost? Or will she fall back in line once Romney’s in the Senate and the yam is out of the White House?)

washingtonpost.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:04:37am

re: #624 goddamnedfrank

It’s apparently as dangerous to be the first to start clapping as it is to be the first to stop.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:05:42am

re: #620 MsJ

GAH!! Gag, ack, BARF.

Franklin Graham announces that both have been forgiven their many sins and adulteries.

half sarc

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:07:01am

re: #625 BeachDem

Jordan is the perfect incarnation of the GOP in 2018 — unhinged, bullying, unbound by facts and unconcerned with the norms of democratic government…It is a vivid display of a party that refuses to fulfill its constitutional functions and aids and abets the president’s attacks on the rule of law.

Which Dem said/wrote it?

Actually, it was Jennifer Rubin. And her column is still touted as from a “center-right perspective.” When is she going to give up the ghost? Or will she fall back in line once Romney’s in the Senate and the yam is out of the White House?)

washingtonpost.com

Wingnuts have been complaining for some time about her, they want more equal representation, they want her replaced with a more Trump approved bot.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:07:47am

re: #628 Sir John Barron

Wingnuts have been complaining for some time about her, they want more equal representation, they want her replaced with a more Trump approved bot.

Which is pretty funny considering they never read the WaPo anyhow.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:07:54am

re: #613 HappyWarrior

Jordan and the assholes want to push a narrative that Rosenstein and Wray were Obama apointees out to destroy Trump. Truth is before this election, they had more GOP bonafides than Trump. Boehner was right, the GOP is the Trump party. Everything is about personal loyalty to him.

He and his party are a complete embarrassment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:08:01am

re: #620 MsJ

GAH!! Gag, ack, BARF.

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I really don’t get people who are attracted to people who everybody knows cheated on their spouses. Sure, if your spouse cheats, you might stay with them for any number of reasons, like emotional ‘sunk costs’. But getting involved with someone you know is a cheater is making an emotional investment in someone you already know is dishonest.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:08:38am

re: #629 HappyWarrior

Which is pretty funny considering they never read the WaPo anyhow.

“Yeah but we still want X number of conservatives to have op ed space there.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:08:50am

re: #625 BeachDem

Jordan is the perfect incarnation of the GOP in 2018 — unhinged, bullying, unbound by facts and unconcerned with the norms of democratic government…It is a vivid display of a party that refuses to fulfill its constitutional functions and aids and abets the president’s attacks on the rule of law.

Which Dem said/wrote it?

Actually, it was Jennifer Rubin. And her column is still touted as from a “center-right perspective.” When is she going to give up the ghost? Or will she fall back in line once Romney’s in the Senate and the yam is out of the White House?)

washingtonpost.com

It’s going to be interesting to see how people like her act the next time we get a Dem in office. I respect her more than others tho.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:10:11am

We have heard from the bull in the China shop. And we are familiar with the elephant in the room. Lets listen to the lion in the room.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:11:30am

re: #615 JordanRules

Yep, seen this movie before.

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MsJ  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:12:25am

re: #631 Blind Frog Belly White

I really don’t get people who are attracted to people who everybody knows cheated on their spouses. Sure, if your spouse cheats, you might stay with them for any number of reasons, like emotional ‘sunk costs’. But getting involved with someone you know is a cheater is making an emotional investment in someone you already know is dishonest.

Until she gets pregnant and winds up like AJ Delgado.

There are not enough eyerolls to be had

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:12:53am

re: #620 MsJ

It wouldn’t surprise me if Guilfoyle accused her ex-husband, Gavin Newsom, of something terrible immediately before the election.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:13:05am

re: #626 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s apparently as dangerous to be the first to start clapping as it is to be the first to stop.

Hard for a regime like that not to see his statement as betraying a deep dissatisfaction and fomenting insurrection. Especially when the nuclear policy actually worked and brought Trump to the table, handing North Korea the international legitimacy it has desperately craved for decades. Dude also forgot the first rule of gripes.

Saving Private Ryan “Complaints Go Up”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:16:09am

re: #616 Mike Lamb

Future Trump tweet: Why won’t the House Judiciary committee issue a criminal referral for Wray’s and Rosenstein’s PERJURY! Conflicted angry Democrats!

The thing I don’t get is, what if they were Obama picks? Are we supposed to believe that they would be any more compromised than DJT or Jordan? And how does the background of the investigators change the Trump Tower meeting between Junior and Russians?

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Interesting Times  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:17:38am

Good to see some high-profile Dem senators saying this. More please:

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BeachDem  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:20:57am

re: #633 HappyWarrior

It’s going to be interesting to see how people like her act the next time we get a Dem in office. I respect her more than others tho.

And she is a really good writer. My favorite image of her is from the Joy Reid’s show when Stephanie Hamill was spouting some bullshit about the Clintons.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:21:03am

re: #629 HappyWarrior

Which is pretty funny considering they never read the WaPo anyhow.

“The Wash Post and NYT should have equal representation for conservatives but excuse me while I read the Liberal Free Zone papers, The Washington Times and The Wall Street Journal.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:22:41am

re: #642 Sir John Barron

“The Wash Post and NYT should have equal representation for conservatives but excuse me while I read the Liberal Free Zone papers, The Washington Times and The Wall Street Journal.”

They complain about safe spaces but champion homeschooling. Nuff said.

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Citizen K  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:23:01am

re: #564 dangerman

your bold is likely true. the italics i think are not necessarily

from electoral-vote.com this AM:

For the moment, the GOP—though it represents less than 30% of the country’s registered voters—has a hammerlock on all three branches of the federal government. When it comes to the legislative and executive branches, that hammerlock is, at most, a short- or medium-term situation. The red team will eventually ebb out of power and the blue team will eventually flow into power, as is always the case with the two branches subject to the will of the voting public. In particular, the current bull market is probably approaching its end, and when it eventually tanks, it will take the economy with it. When the economy is in the toilet, the president gets blamed, even though presidents don’t have that much effect on the economy (at least, if they avoid starting trade wars).

Except the problem isn’t just who gets in, but how much the electorate will tolerate what they do. We’ve seen infinite fucking patience with the GOP when they destroy fucking everything. A Dem votes to give them health care, they’re kicked on their ass for being the worst Anti-American super-socialist fucking ever.

We’ve seen how much slack the American people will give Dems before they freak out and throw the pendulum even further to the right for the last 3 decades or so. Outside of a few small pockets, it been conservative fucking dominance because that is what the fucking American people seem to fucking want.

This is about as permanent feeling as it possibly could be. Gains that took decades erased in two years. Gains that have stood for 50 slated to be wiped away for at least another 50. And the people seem more fucking concerned that a Dem used a bad word and was mean. Even if Dems by some miracle get Congress back in the intervening years, what allowance we’ll get to fix things will be so preciously minimal, that we may not get even halfway to undoing the damage before America decides to slam the pendulum to the right again and pin it there for the next decade and a half.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:23:26am

re: #641 BeachDem

And she is a really good writer. My favorite image of her is from the Joy Reid’s show when Stephanie Hamill was spouting some bullshit about the Clintons.

[Embedded content]

Yeah. She can write. I do hope the past couple years has woken her to what she thought conservatism is.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:24:27am

LOL @ all the comments reminding the good King who he bedded first.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:26:57am

re: #646 JordanRules

LOL @ all the comments reminding the good King who he bedded first.

“You mean that whore, Mary Boleyn, well that was why I could get my marriage to her slutty sister Anne annulled because of ‘incest’ even though I knew I had bedded her first. Hey, times were good then for a guy.”

///

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Mike Lamb  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:29:34am

re: #639 Sir John Barron

The thing I don’t get is, what if they were Obama picks? Are we supposed to believe that they would be any more compromised than DJT or Jordan? And how does the background of the investigators change the Trump Tower meeting between Junior and Russians?

Because the GOP has a modicum of self-awareness regarding their own tribalism and innate need to abuse power that they just assume a Democratic nominee would only investigate for partisan reasons. Pure projection: we abuse power, so everyone must abuse power.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:31:07am

re: #648 Mike Lamb

Because the GOP has a modicum of self-awareness regarding their own tribalism and innate need to abuse power that they just assume a Democratic nominee would only investigate for partisan reasons. Pure projection: we abuse power, so everyone must abuse power.

But it seems as if they’re trying to say that they themselves, the elected partisans, should somehow be excused their own partisanship, just so they question the partisanship of the investigators. I wish some of the witnesses would make this point.

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Citizen K  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:31:56am

re: #648 Mike Lamb

Because the GOP has a modicum of self-awareness regarding their own tribalism and innate need to abuse power that they just assume a Democratic nominee would only investigate for partisan reasons. Pure projection: we abuse power, so everyone must abuse power.

And the projection constantly works because they’ve conditioned the press to chase after every single accusation they send toward the Dems in bad faith, however unfounded, while inoculating themselves from consequences when they do the very thing they accused Dems of, because hey, ‘both sides same thing, and besides, Dems did it first!!!’ And the press buys it. Constantly and forever.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:33:30am
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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:33:33am
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Kafitrar  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:38:14am

re: #640 Interesting Times

Good to see some high-profile Dem senators saying this. More please:

[Embedded content]

Hee-hee. I called his office and Sen. Menendez’s office yesterday afternoon to ask them to make that point. I hate calling people, yet I now have my representatives’ phone numbers in my contact list.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:39:28am

re: #652 JordanRules

And the orange man in the WH still wants the public to think the investigation is not valid.

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JordanRules  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:39:38am
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TedStriker  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:42:13am

re: #624 goddamnedfrank

KJU got everything he wanted from Trump and now he’s making it crystal clear to everyone at home that there is no change in policy.

Whoops…

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dangerman  Jun 28, 2018 • 11:59:00am

re: #631 Blind Frog Belly White

I really don’t get people who are attracted to people who everybody knows cheated on their spouses. Sure, if your spouse cheats, you might stay with them for any number of reasons, like emotional ‘sunk costs’. But getting involved with someone you know is a cheater is making an emotional investment in someone you already know is dishonest.

kinda like voting for one for president

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 28, 2018 • 12:54:02pm

re: #655 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Love my fellow DSAers!


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The Wildfire Holocaust in Paradise Was Perfectly Avoidable Let's admit up front this was preventable. Set aside the fiction. Old power-lines again in the wind. To save money Paradise only had a private opt in evacuation system despite a history of failed evacuations in the past fires, ...
Unshaken Defiance
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Katie Porter Wins in California Porter becomes the fourth Democrat to flip a Republican-held House seat in Southern California this cycle; Democrat Gil Cisneros now leads Republican Young Kim in the last uncalled race and is poised to become the fifth. Advertise with Mother ...
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European Court: Russia’s Arrests of Navalny Were Political The court’s highest chamber found that Russian authorities violated multiple human rights in detaining Navalny seven times from 2012 to 2014, and that two of the arrests were expressly aimed at “suppressing political pluralism.” It ordered Russia to pay ...
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“Documenting Hate: New American Nazis, ” Coming Soon… — ProPublica In the wake of the deadly anti-Semitic attack at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, ProPublica and Frontline present a new investigation into white supremacist groups in America — in particular, a neo-Nazi group, Atomwaffen Division, that has ...
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Democrat Kyrsten Sinema Wins Arizona Senate Race, Flipping Second GOP Seat Democrat Kyrsten Sinema has defeated Republican Martha McSally to win the Arizona Senate race, the Associated Press projected Monday evening. With Sinema's victory to flip the open seat of retiring GOP Sen. Jeff Flake, she becomes the first Democrat ...
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I DONT KNOW HOW but THEY FOUND ME - Do It All the Time This footage was first thought to be a conceptual art piece produced by the band before making music videos had become standard music industry practice. While the exact date and circumstances under which it was produced are unclear, the ...
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Sirintip - Don’t Give Up (Youtube Spaces Session) “Don’t Give Up”Music and lyrics by Sirintip Sirintip - voiceHorace Bray - guitarAndrew Freedman - keysJames Quinlan - bassNolan Byrd - drums Filmed at: Youtube Space New York Videographer: Matt MarlinskiAudio Engineer: Irving GadouryMixed by: Jonathan SmithMixed at: Galaxy ...
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Muse Perform the Dark Side on Later… With Jools HollandMuse perform The Dark Side on Later... with Jools Holland on BBC Two (6th October 2018). For more performances and interviews from the show, subscribe now: bit.ly. Watch the whole episode here: bbc.co.uk
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The Pentagon Has Prepared a Cyberattack Against Russia Officials say the new Trump cyberoperations order, National Security Presidential Memorandum 13 (NSPM 13), is designed to allow Defense Secretary James Mattis and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats to approve retaliatory strikes without the approval of others in ...
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Trump’s Orwellian EPA Disappears Climate Change Pagemotherboard.vice.com epa.gov pages that previously provided information about climate change have been changed from claiming that they are "updating" to an error message that reads, "We want to help you find what you are looking for," as revealed by a ...
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