An Amazing Little-Seen Video by Crowded House: “Don’t Stop Now”

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Whoever’s taking care of Neil Finn’s YouTube account has been uploading some real hidden gems lately, and here’s one of the shiniest.

The official music video by Crowded House. From the album “Time On Earth”. Video directed by Robert Hales. © 2007 EMI Records. See all the Crowded House videos and play all the albums at neilfinn.com

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Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2018 • 5:56:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:00:38pm
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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:02:40pm
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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:03:18pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

So damn proud!!!

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:03:23pm

OFFS. CL’d for the fourth time this week!

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:04:15pm

Thank you so much. This song is great! My old bandmates are reuniting this summer to record but I can’t afford to go. I will send them this as a sound to shoot for.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:06:26pm

We can’t get a break. New fire. More than a dozen burning in the state, including one about 20 miles from my house.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:08:51pm
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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:08:51pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:11:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:14:16pm

jeebus…

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:15:43pm

It’s so dope when the creator of a couple of your favorite shows spits that righteous hot fire.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:17:26pm
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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:18:34pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…

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I now recall him as the fucker who let the President beat on First Lady Pat Nixon. Asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:19:17pm
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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:21:37pm

An old UT schoolmate:

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:22:01pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

Just to clarify, the fire closest to me is burning in a wilderness area, far from any structures. We’re all safe! It’s not even that hazy, winds from the southwest are keeping the smoke away.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:22:20pm

LOL

People who name their kid Donald after 2016 will look very suspect to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:22:31pm
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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:23:30pm

re: #16 jaunte

Danny started at the same high school newspaper David Fahrenthold did.

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mmmirele  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:23:36pm

Where o where is Rudy Giuliani? He’s in Paris, stirring up trouble.

Rudy Giuliani calls for Iran regime change at rally linked to extreme group

Trump lawyer speaks at Paris event staged by MeK, once listed as terrorist organisation and widely seen as a personality cult

Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, addressed a rally staged by an extreme Iranian opposition group in Paris on Saturday, calling for regime change in Tehran.

Giuliani spoke to the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), an umbrella coalition largely controlled by the Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MeK), which was once listed as a terrorist organisation in the US and Europe and is still widely viewed as a Marxist-Islamist cult built around the personality of its leader, Maryam Rajavi.

“We are now realistically being able to see an end to the regime in Iran,” Giuliani told a crowd of about 4,000, many of them refugees and young eastern Europeans who had been bussed in to attend the rally in return for a weekend trip to Paris.

theguardian.com

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:24:23pm

re: #18 JordanRules

Clarence was on the short list for what my parents were going to name me, that and Harrison, and Warren. Dad ended up naming me after himself.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:26:58pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:27:18pm

Most. Corrupt. Administration. In. The. History. Of. The. United. States.

Abetted 100% by the most corrupt political party in modern history.

Gah!

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:27:20pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We should have known how fucked this millennium could get when this gentleman was not our first POTUS.

Damnet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:27:50pm
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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:29:26pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:29:50pm

re: #25 JordanRules

We should have known how fucked this millennium could get when this gentleman was not our its first POTUS.

Damnet it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The grammarian in me couldn’t help myself.

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Interesting Times  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:29:56pm

re: #25 JordanRules

We should have known how fucked this millennium could get when this gentleman was not our first POTUS.

Damnet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of which, do you remember who posted the “when did you first realize something was seriously wrong with America” thread?

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:31:49pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

The grammarian in me couldn’t help myself.

Yeah he named you after him.
You are your father’s son! LOL Even though he didn’t teach English, I imagine the teacher in him wouldn’t be able to resist either.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:32:23pm

re: #29 Interesting Times

Speaking of which, do you remember who posted the “when did you first realize something was seriously wrong with America” thread?

‘Twas me!!

I loved that thread!

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Cheechako  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:33:45pm

Time for a concert report. My wife and I went to an Arlo Guthrie concert last. The event was part of the “Arlo Guthrie Generations Tour”. The group consisted of Arlo, daughter Sara Lee and sons Abe and Krishna. They make a great family group. Sara had several solos and is becoming as good as her dad. It was a special night as they performed the full 18 minute version of Alice’s Restaurant Massacree. I’ve been told Arlo has burned out singing this 50+ year tune and rarely performs it now. They also performed The City of New Orleans.

Just a great show.

For those interested, the tickets were $45 ($40 for Srs) and about 500 people attended the concert. Probably more than two-thirds of the audience were eligible to join AARP!

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Winston_Smith  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:34:14pm

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:34:15pm

re: #30 JordanRules

Yeah he named you after him.
You are your father’s son! LOL Even though he didn’t teach English, I imagine the teacher in him wouldn’t be able to resist either.

He did teach English, actually, 200 level courses at the local community college. 😀

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:37:24pm

re: #18 JordanRules

LOL

People who name their kid Donald after 2016 will look very suspect to me.

I will not let Donald Trump ruin my father’s good name.

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MsJ  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:37:36pm

So proud of my little Michigan town today where around 100 people showed up for the rally.

While I couldn’t participate, we, and many others, were honking in support as we drove by.

blcxMpGA3AggqD3uNgy2zjY0w6aPVBPw0eVnNiKBnB8Yn3nVUS0Olb1cloI0x3OLoNA5Z43PpDt/dPpZEYhU+5W1ZoZFE5jShWRjkHXFAFqYMvYP05yawcUeZdbj7c0Wq3baFeD3UN1I3ZABM58bNHlMNbJov3HIOIHhsMW7i8OEUQ7IcfoA4CHlKhn5ebqNg4XObWT0MqL+Vw4rDBo4xCrxFmvrPYs5DqxIR/XjMsLNdAmV9mN0BjRkbGk3aqlJ

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Winston_Smith  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:39:53pm

40% off until July 4. Only at the Trump Store.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:40:29pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:40:34pm

re: #37 Winston_Smith

Trump gargling a hot dog?

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MsJ  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:41:16pm

re: #33 Winston_Smith

Awe.Sum.

(Tears of laughter streaming down my face)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:42:24pm

re: #33 Winston_Smith

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This is me, every 90 days or so, trying to log in at work.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:43:00pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

He did teach English, actually, 200 level courses at the local community college. 😀

Nice!!!

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MsJ  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:43:35pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:43:37pm

re: #32 Cheechako

Time for a concert report. My wife and I went to an Arlo Guthrie concert last. The event was part of the “Arlo Guthrie Generations Tour”. The group consisted of Arlo, daughter Sara Lee and sons Abe and Krishna. They make a great family group. Sara had several solos and is becoming as good as her dad. It was a special night as they performed the full 18 minute version of Alice’s Restaurant Massacree. I’ve been told Arlo has burned out singing this 50+ year tune and rarely performs it now. They also performed The City of New Orleans.

Just a great show.

For those interested, the tickets were $45 ($40 for Srs) and about 500 people attended the concert. Probably more than two-thirds of the audience were eligible to join AARP!

I remember when he came to Pittsburgh in 1976 to do a benefit for the ACLU. Really enjoyable to hear him in a packed house!

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:43:42pm

re: #33 Winston_Smith

That’s how I got my name here, except it was “username accepted.”

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:45:31pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

I will not let Donald Trump ruin my father’s good name.

Indeed! There are many great Donalds. And there’s only one on a mission to make America not great.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:45:41pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

This is me, every 90 days or so, trying to log in at work.

I HATED changing passwords at work every 30 days because the system wouldn’t let you recycle old passwords. Now they have a new system that automatically does that and it’s linked to our keycards.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:49:06pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And that’s why Bernie is at the way bottom of my list. Republicans like Schwartznagger and Jeb and Kasich show more consideration towards immigrants than he does.

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plansbandc  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:49:17pm

One of our speakers was a Native American woman talking about the parallels between the seizing of Native children and what’s happening right now. She started crying in the middle of her speech because the anguish is still there.

This is what the orange piece of shit is doing. It makes me vomit.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:50:19pm

You think that’s something, just wait until Trump comes for your beloved, bloated military just to piss off some Euro leaders and keep Putin smiling.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:50:22pm

re: #49 plansbandc

One of our speakers was a Native American woman talking about the parallels between the seizing of Native children and what’s happening right now. She started crying in the middle of her speech because the anguish is still there.

This is what the orange piece of shit is doing. It makes me vomit.

The indifference honestly has me upset as the lies.

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Interesting Times  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:50:29pm

re: #31 JordanRules

‘Twas me!!

I loved that thread!

I know! That’s why I’m asking you who the original tweeter was, so I can look up that thread! :) (or are you saying that was you as well? Do you use a different nic on Twitter versus here?)

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:51:41pm

Sun’s going down. Lots of helicopters with water buckets about to land at the airport. Just heard three buzz by just now.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:53:17pm

re: #52 Interesting Times

I know! That’s why I’m asking you who the original tweeter was, so I can look up that thread! :) (or are you saying that was you as well? Do you use a different nic on Twitter versus here?)

Oh! My bad, I thought you were trying to remember who posted it here.

Here it is!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:54:17pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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By 2100 Persian Gulf cities could become uninhabitable. Kind of ironic.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 6:56:58pm

re: #54 JordanRules

Oh! My bad, I thought you were trying to remember who posted it here.

Here it is!

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For me, it was people buying the Swift Boat lies about Kerry combined with the 2004 RNC. I wish the Never Trumpers on the right would at least own up to that if they won’t about how imo Reagan made Trump possible.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:01:38pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

For me, it was people buying the Swift Boat lies about Kerry combined with the 2004 RNC. I wish the Never Trumpers on the right would at least own up to that if they won’t about how imo Reagan made Trump possible.

Yup, that’s a good one. That was mentioned in the replies. It was so wrong, so shameless and such a sad sign of things to come.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:03:11pm

LET’S NOT BLAME ME, ADOLF HITLER, FOR THE HOLOCAUST WHEN WE SHOULD BE BLAMING THE JOURNALISTS WHO PUBLISHED MY WORDS

mcsweeneys.net

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Interesting Times  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:05:34pm

re: #54 JordanRules

Oh! My bad, I thought you were trying to remember who posted it here.

Here it is!

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Wow, depressing - I’m almost sorry I asked :/ (then again, that’s how I feel about nearly all info these days - need to know even if I don’t want to know).

For me, though, it’s really two questions - “When did you know something was seriously wrong with modern America?” vs “When did you know that seriously wrong thing was far, far worse than you realized?”

I saw most of those wrong things people in the thread pointed out, but naively thought Obama’s election meant America had permanently turned a corner (well, it did…except that turn which appeared to lead toward light at the end of a tunnel was actually heading right for an oncoming (trump) train).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:06:44pm

re: #57 JordanRules

Yup, that’s a good one. That was mentioned in the replies. It was so wrong, so shameless and such a sad sign of things to come.

I vaguely paid attention in 2000 since I was 13 and in 8th grade since Virginia students at that age are enrolled in Civics class so naturally I was required to do a lot of work on the election. Four years later when I was a senior and in Government, the 2004 election happened. I didn’t do much in 2008 and 12 since in ‘08 I was focused on transferring to GMU and in 2012, I was trying to find work after graduating.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:07:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:08:11pm

heh

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Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:08:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:08:42pm

I can’t and please don’t repost it since I’ve seen it since then but I’ll never forget that one Republican delegate with the purple heart band aids and a big stupid smile to accompany it. That was when I really knew how little regard the GOP had for the military and just cynically saw the men and women of the armed forces as political props. I do think Kerry would have made a good President but John Edwards was a poor VP choice. Likewise, I think Gore made a bad one with Lieberman. Conversely, I thought Biden and Kaine were good for Obama and HRC and I think Kaine would be a fine VP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:09:47pm

re: #61 JordanRules

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I love this kid. She’s doing awesome things and I know she’ll continue. Props to you Emma for emerging from something that no one should have to experience a strong woman and inspiration for us all.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:10:02pm

For me it was the election of Reagan. I was young and didn’t understand Carter’s failings, but he was a good man. It struck me when members of my church vilified Carter and praised Reagan. Of course, I was pretty high and didn’t really care, but I was like, “hey, that’s fucked up; the actor guy actually never says anything deep, dude!”

Anyway, that was when I saw the parents of my Christian friends at my church kind of split. That presaged the actual split of the church by 20 years. But the divisions were already in place in the pews and they didn’t even know it.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:10:43pm

re: #59 Interesting Times

Wow, depressing - I’m almost sorry I asked :/ (then again, that’s how I feel about almost all info these days - need to know even if I don’t want to know).

For me, though, it’s really two questions - “When did you know something was seriously wrong with modern America?” vs “When did you know that seriously wrong thing was far, far worse than you realized?”

I saw most of those wrong things people in the thread pointed out, but naively thought Obama’s election meant America had permanently turned a corner (well, it did…except that turn that appeared to lead toward light at the end of a tunnel was actually heading right for an oncoming (trump) train).

Yesssss. I totally get that! *deep sigh*
Katrina broke me. I was resolved that I’d never hope to be considered a “true American” one day.
Then Obama. I didn’t even know any hope could be restored and boy was it.
It’s all but gone again. :(

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:12:42pm

I belonged to this group years ago but let my membership lapse during my final bout of Republican dementia. I’ve long since recovered but just now got around to re-upping.

Facebook Post

“Asteroids are a liberal hoax!”- Dinosaur leadership.

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:13:52pm

re: #61 JordanRules

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I won’t say it on Twitter because I’d earn so many unfollows and blocks, but I am still at best disappointed and at worst furious that everyone keeps hitching their wagon to Michael Brown, who had every intention of killing the cop who wound up shooting him and unquestionably had robbed the store he was being arrested for robbing.

Why can’t we stick to people who were actually innocent?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:14:24pm

re: #59 Interesting Times

Wow, depressing - I’m almost sorry I asked :/ (then again, that’s how I feel about nearly all info these days - need to know even if I don’t want to know).

For me, though, it’s really two questions - “When did you know something was seriously wrong with modern America?” vs “When did you know that seriously wrong thing was far, far worse than you realized?”

I saw most of those wrong things people in the thread pointed out, but naively thought Obama’s election meant America had permanently turned a corner (well, it did…except that turn which appeared to lead toward light at the end of a tunnel was actually heading right for an oncoming (trump) train).

I try to remember that 67,000,000 people voted for Obama and only 62,000,000 voted for tRump. We’re a smaller majority than I thought, but if we could just get out the vote—and if our next candidate hasn’t been the target of 35 years of lying propaganda….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:14:32pm

re: #66 Barefoot Grin

For me it was the election of Reagan. I was young and didn’t understand Carter’s failings, but he was a good man. It struck me when members of my church vilified Carter and praised Reagan. Of course, I was pretty high and didn’t really care, but I was like, “hey, that’s fucked up; the actor guy actually never says anything deep, dude!”

Anyway, that was when I saw the parents of my Christian friends at my church kind of split. That presaged the actual split of the church by 20 years. But the divisions were already in place in the pews and they didn’t even know it.

My dad remembers and this had to be when Reagan primaried Gerry Ford but Dad was young, younger than I am now and he just laughed at the idea of Reagan for President. Dad’s Dad was a lifelong NLRB man. He had sort of been forced into early retirement from the feds when Nixon beat Humphrey in 1968 and he obviously kept up with the news so he saw how the new right was forming and he told my Dad that it could certainly happen and Reagan were elected he’d move to Canada. Dad’s Dad ended up passing away in the Winter before Reagan got elected President. What Reagan did to the protections that my grandfather and men like him for working men and women disgusts me. It’s why I will never accept the jovial Grandpa Ronnie narrative. And I admit that I sort of resented that Reagan lived well into the 2000’s while I never got to know my grandfather.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:14:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:15:43pm

re: #70 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I try to remember that 67,000,000 people voted for Obama and only 62,000,000 voted for tRump. We’re a smaller majority than I thought, but if we could just get out the vote—and if our next candidate hasn’t been the target of 35 years of lying propaganda….

It really strikes me that even with all that, she still managed to beat him in the popular vote. I’m optimistic for 2020 to be honest with you. But we can’t take it for granted. We have to win and honestly win big. Trumpism needs to be repudiated not with a whimper but with a bang.

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JordanRules  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:20:58pm

re: #69 Chrysicat

I won’t say it on Twitter because I’d earn so many unfollows and blocks, but I am still at best disappointed and at worse furious that everyone keeps hitching their wagon to Michael Brown, who had every intention of killing the cop who wound up shooting him and unquestionably had robbed the store he was being arrested for robbing.

Why can’t we stick to people who were actually innocent?

There’s a lot to unpack here but I don’t buy into the exceptional immigrants and victims of police violence narratives. I love their stories and they can be harnessed for good but it doesn’t inform my ideology.
I’ve dealt with respectibility politics my whole life. It’s not my kinda party.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:22:29pm

Before Trump as the hero of the working class was a joke, it was Reagan. I do remember my other grandfather, a man on paper would have been your Reagan Democrat- Ethnic- his parents were Slovene immigrants, Catholic- check, and blue collar- lifelong brickmason but Grandpa and I’m proud to be named after him saw through Reagan. I remember him joking that he never even liked Reagan much as an actor anyhow. The other thing is while he certainly did have prejudices. He was capable of generosity towards those different than him so I think while on paper he was a man that fell for Reagan and later Trump, I don’t think he would have. He died right after Obama became President. He did not like Obama but I like to think that he would have overcome his early biases against him much like my Grandma has.

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William Lewis  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:23:49pm

re: #47 Joe Bacon 🌹

I HATED changing passwords at work every 30 days because the system wouldn’t let you recycle old passwords. Now they have a new system that automatically does that and it’s linked to our keycards.

The last system like that I had was easily fooled - I couldn’t reuse blahblah but I could do blahblah001 for 90 days then do blahblah002 for 90 days :)

I was up to 013 when I left O_o

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:29:47pm

re: #33 Winston_Smith

I have that hanging up at work.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:31:54pm

re: #69 Chrysicat

Michael Brown was unarmed. His brain was splattered all over the pavement.

He was going to kill a cop unarmed?

Fuck you.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:35:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:36:59pm

re: #79 jaunte

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Yeah Susan because it wasn’t your family and rights threatened. But thanks.

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MsJ  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:38:59pm
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ipsos  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:43:02pm

My asshole-tolerance level is very, very low today.

So when a FB acquaintance started braying about “325 million Americans DIDN’T protest today,” well…fuck that shit.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:45:36pm

re: #69 Chrysicat

This comment is disgusting. One step away from saying “the nigger thug had it coming to him.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:47:11pm

re: #81 MsJ

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In other living while black news, a white woman called the cops on a 12 year old mowing a lawn.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:50:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:51:56pm

re: #82 ipsos

My asshole-tolerance level is very, very low today.

So when a FB acquaintance started braying about “325 million Americans DIDN’T protest today,” well…fuck that shit.

Yeah fuck that attitude

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:55:18pm

re: #82 ipsos

My asshole-tolerance level is very, very low today.

So when a FB acquaintance started braying about “325 million Americans DIDN’T protest today,” well…fuck that shit.

So, they’re proud that 325M Americans might be ok with separating children from their parents? (Now, I’m not saying they all are since I couldn’t march with my leg still not well.)

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:56:29pm

re: #84 Big Beautiful Door

In other living while black news, a white woman called the cops on a 12 year old mowing a lawn.

I love how so many people have donated money and equipment to Reggie. Good for him for taking it all in stride. That racist White woman must be so disappointed. Lol.

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:58:12pm

re: #88 Patricia Kayden

They were saying that woman had a history of calling the cops on her neighbors for just about anything. But I bet she’s still a racist, so fuck her.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:58:18pm

re: #88 Patricia Kayden

I love how so many people have donated money and equipment to Reggie. Good for him for taking it all in stride. That racist White woman must be so disappointed. Lol.

It was nice that the story has a happy ending.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:58:41pm

re: #87 Belafon

So, they’re proud that 325M Americans might be ok with separating children from their parents? (Now, I’m not saying they all are since I couldn’t march with my leg still not well.)

I think it’s actually right wing talk for the only people out there today weren’t actual Americans but I don’t know Ipsos’ aquaintence.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 7:59:35pm

In other bees, my one conservative friend hasn’t been posting as much. Thank goodness.

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:00:09pm

So Beto is opening a campaign office here in Rockwall: secure.betofortexas.com. Considering how blood red this area is, he’s feeling confident enough he can start scraping for those last few votes.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:04:42pm

re: #69 Chrysicat

How the hell do you know that Michael Brown had every intention of killing the cop who murdered him? Just asking because apart from the claim of the murdering cop, there’s no evidence of that. Brown was unarmed so how exactly was he going to kill the cop?

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:05:50pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I think it’s actually right wing talk for the only people out there today weren’t actual Americans but I don’t know Ipsos’ aquaintence.

Good point.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:06:55pm

re: #95 Belafon

Good point.

Yeah I was curious about the population of the US. 325 mill as of last year.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:08:14pm

re: #69 Chrysicat

Oh

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:09:10pm

re: #94 Patricia Kayden

Easy just a sec. There was an official report, and a separate forensic investigation. I happen to have the book and know the author well. There is physical evidence. There are many cases to illustrate police violence. This is not a good one.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:12:25pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

Michael Brown was unarmed. His brain was splattered all over the pavement.

He was going to kill a cop unarmed?

Fuck you.

And they let his body roast for 4 hours uncovered.

Horrific example to plant your flag Chrissy.

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rhuarc  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:12:54pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

We can’t get a break. New fire. More than a dozen burning in the state, including one about 20 miles from my house.

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I have a friend threatened by the Chateau Fire right now. She’s under pre-evacuation orders currently. So she is super stressed that her and her boyfriend may lose everything. :(

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:14:34pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

And they let his body roast for 4 hours uncovered.

Horrific example to plant your flag Chrissy.

The prosecutionral misconduct too. McCulloch forgot he was the DA.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:15:07pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

Michael Brown was unarmed. His brain was splattered all over the pavement.

He was going to kill a cop unarmed?

Fuck you.

Undeserved

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:16:09pm

re: #100 rhuarc

Authorities confirmed that buildings have been destroyed in the Spring Creek Fire. They don’t know how many. :(

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:16:56pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

And they let his body roast for 4 hours uncovered.

Horrific example to plant your flag Chrissy.

This happens to be one where the cop was attacked. Big guy close quarters, tried to grab the gun etc. Very sorry to say, but the evidence is actually there.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:17:10pm

re: #98 Unshaken Defiance

How was an unarmed man going to kill an armed cop?

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rhuarc  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:17:51pm

re: #105 Patricia Kayden

How was an unarmed man going to kill an armed cop?

By rubbing his black skin on him. That’s their super power.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:18:10pm

re: #104 Unshaken Defiance

Cops word against the deceased. Nope.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:19:26pm

re: #104 Unshaken Defiance

This happens to be one where the cop was attacked. Big guy close quarters, tried to grab the gun etc. Very sorry to say, but the evidence is actually there.

Close quarters? Michael Brown was shot outside. What close quarters?

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:20:25pm

St. Louis County police, a collective of some of the most dishonest lying motherfuckers to ever carry a gun and badge. Law enforcement in that place is a sick joke.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:20:59pm

re: #69 Chrysicat

I won’t say it on Twitter …

I wish you hadn’t said it here.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:21:23pm

re: #105 Patricia Kayden

How was an unarmed man going to kill an armed cop?

I’m not defending the policeman, just the course of events as the evidence shows. in a nutshell big guy, close quarters. Read page 80 of my link, especially the last paragraph. Believe me I was inclined to let this go.
re: #107 teleskiguy

Cops word against the deceased. Nope.

You should review the evidence. As I said page 80, last paragraph. Real physical evidence.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:22:08pm

re: #108 Patricia Kayden

Close quarters? Michael Brown was shot outside. What close quarters?

Close to the cop. Outside is still close quarters. Grappling range

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:22:19pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:23:18pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

I wish you hadn’t said it here.

Yep

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:23:20pm

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

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3/4 my grandparents were and the other one had immigrant grandparents.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:26:07pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I’m the immigrant as is Hubby. And proudly so. Trump, ironically, is the son of an immigrant mom and grandson of an immigrant grandfather and the husband of two immigrants.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:26:07pm

re: #69 Chrysicat

I won’t say it on Twitter because I’d earn so many unfollows and blocks, but I am still at best disappointed and at worst furious that everyone keeps hitching their wagon to Michael Brown, who had every intention of killing the cop who wound up shooting him and unquestionably had robbed the store he was being arrested for robbing.

Why can’t we stick to people who were actually innocent?

Well this has gone terribly wrong. I’m gonna step away, it happens to be my 34th anniversary and I certainly don’t need a fight among friends tonight. Fwiw, it is a terrible case to hang anything on apart from how the media can shape a story quite apart from the evidence and testimony of reliable witnesses. You are getting wronged on the downdings imo.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:27:30pm

re: #94 Patricia Kayden

How the hell do you know that Michael Brown had every intention of killing the cop who murdered him? Just asking because apart from the claim of the murdering cop, there’s no evidence of that. Brown was unarmed so how exactly was he going to kill the cop?

With his Blackness.

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:27:46pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

Michael Brown was unarmed. His brain was splattered all over the pavement.

He was going to kill a cop unarmed?

Fuck you.

He was pulling the cop’s gun. Every last witness says they were struggling over it. On this one I believe the witnesses, not the folks who say cops are always wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:27:58pm

re: #116 Patricia Kayden

I’m the immigrant as is Hubby. And proudly so. Trump, ironically, is the son of an immigrant mom and grandson of an immigrant grandfather and the husband of two immigrants.

It’s all about how and what you learn. Cruz technically is an immigrant too yet is a xenophobic jerk. I can trace my roots to seven nations and I’m proud of each and everyone of my ancestors who made my life possible.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:27:59pm

re: #100 rhuarc

I have a friend threatened by the Chateau Fire right now. She’s under pre-evacuation orders currently. So she is super stressed that her and her boyfriend may lose everything. :(

If they’re still able to access internet, send them this link. It’s basic emergency preparedness, I have it bookmarked.

readyforwildfire.org

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mmmirele  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:28:48pm

In the middle of all this, apparently Puerto Ricans being put up in hotels are not going to be put out of them this weekend due to a court order.

ETA: link to news story in Boston Globe: bostonglobe.com

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:29:48pm

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:30:20pm

re: #122 mmmirele

In the middle of all this, apparently Puerto Ricans being put up in hotels are not going to be put out of them this weekend due to a court order.

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Yet another thing the Trump administration needs to be investigated for. This was worse than Katrina.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:35:08pm

Speaking of genealogy research, I found out today I’m a very distant cousin of Martin Strel. A record holder for swimming the world’s longest rivers. I was looking at the wiki page on my grandfather’s father’s hometown in Slovenia. I had no idea who he was but my brother had and he was amused since he had and he was in disbelief. He thinks he gets his zest for outdoor adventure from our Slovene blood.

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mmmirele  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:35:54pm

Remember #PermitPatty from *last* *fucking* *weekend*? (Holy shit, it feels like six months.) She claimed she only pretended to call the cops. Problem is, that’s not what happened—she did call 911 to complain and “someone” dropped the call.

theroot.com

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:36:11pm

Deescalation. That is a word that needs to be employed more often than the three words shoot to kill.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:38:11pm

Back to “when did you know something was seriously wrong with modern America”

Two things stand out in my memory.

1. June 1968 (I know, that’s probably not considered “modern” by some of you kids, but…) when Bobby Kennedy was killed. So soon after Martin Luther King, Jr.’s murder and dousing the flame of hope that Bobby brought, it seemed that there was no way to avoid horrible things happening.

2. November 2000—was in Barbados for my niece’s wedding on 11/11, and things were still up in the air about the election. All of the non-Americans at the wedding were flabbergasted (as were many of the Americans) that we could possibly have elected W and questioning what was going wrong in the US. Every event that week ended with a large group gathered around a television set, holding our collective breath and hoping against hope that it wouldn’t be the case.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:38:37pm

re: #126 mmmirele

Remember #PermitPatty from *last* *fucking* *weekend*? (Holy shit, it feels like six months.) She claimed she only pretended to call the cops. Problem is, that’s not what happened—she did call 911 to complain and “someone” dropped the call.

theroot.com

No shock there. Even if she was being annoyed, it didn’t merit a police call. The police deserve their criticism but civilians like her do too. Hard to believe that was only last week.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:39:28pm

I felt the tipping point was the 1994 midterms

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retired cynic  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:40:07pm

I still go back to Reagan. The %^&*()

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:40:57pm

re: #128 BeachDem

Back to “when did you know something was seriously wrong with modern America”

I’m a young’un. For me it was Election Day in 2004. I remember riding my bike to work the next day, thinking that everyone is getting dumber and I couldn’t figure out why.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:41:58pm

re: #130 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I felt the tipping point was the 1994 midterms

That’s a good one. The rise of Newt.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:42:31pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

I’m a young’un. For me it was Election Day in 2004. I remember riding my bike to work the next day, thinking that everyone is getting dumber and I couldn’t figure out why.

I was only 17 but I had volunteered for Kerry. So disappointed that day.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:42:57pm

re: #54 JordanRules

The Rodney King verdict. That stunned me. I came home from working a late shift and turned on the tv and started seeing riots. Was furious that the cops got off scot free despite a video. Still makes my blood boil.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:43:31pm

re: #131 retired cynic

I still go back to Reagan. The %^&*()

To me Reagan was worse than both Bushes.

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retired cynic  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:47:15pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

To me Reagan was worse than both Bushes.

You may be a young whippersnapper, but you have the truth in you there.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:47:58pm

2010 was another one for me. The rise of the Tea Party but it got me back into politics.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:49:37pm

re: #137 retired cynic

You may be a young whippersnapper, but you have the truth in you there.

Well as I mentioned above, I hate what Reagan did to the gains made by working people and how cynically he did it. Our only POTUS that was an Union President being the hammer of the unions. A cruel irony.

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MsJ  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:50:24pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

No shock there. Even if she was being annoyed, it didn’t merit a police call. The police deserve their criticism but civilians like her do too. Hard to believe that was only last week.

Here’s your non-asshole solution; “Hey little girl (who may or may not be screaming)… Let me buy all your water - if you’re quiet (preferably not black, but hey).”

Buy water, done.

I have zero sympathy for old Permit Patty.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:50:52pm

re: #140 MsJ

Here’s your non-asshole solution; “Hey little girl (who may or may not be screaming)… Let me buy all your water - if you’re quiet (preferably not black, but hey).”

Buy water, done.

I have zero sympathy for old Permit Patty.

I don’t either.

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William Lewis  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:51:05pm

Lots of evil in many of these places and times being mentioned but for me the tipping point, where the 1st Republic died, was McConnell’s effective Coup d’état in moving against Garland; that essentially was the moment that the rule of law ended. The Russian interference in the 2016 election placing their puppet government in power was simply the nails in the coffin.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:52:14pm

re: #142 William Lewis

Lots of evil in many of these places and times being mentioned but for me the tipping point, where the 1st Republic died, was McConnell’s effective Coup d’état in moving against Garland; that essentially was the moment that the rule of law ended. The Russian interference in the 2016 election placing their puppet government in power was simply the nails in the coffin.

That was a disgraceful moment and McConnell needs to go to his grave hounded for that.

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retired cynic  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:54:51pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

That was a disgraceful moment and McConnell needs to go to his grave hounded for that.

It was a crime against democracy.

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Interesting Times  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:55:11pm

This…deserves a prize for quite possibly the best rebuttal to corporate media concern-troll/pearl-clutch framing:

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sauceruney  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:55:29pm

re: #69 Chrysicat

I have to step in here and say this is just plain wrong. Michael Brown’s death was unnecessary. He was just left on the ground for hours before an ambulance came. This shouldn’t be who we are, especially not over strong arming a business owner.

I usually like to read what you have to say, but now I’m just going pass over your posts.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:55:42pm

re: #144 retired cynic

It was a crime against democracy.

And they were prepared to do it again to Clinton even the “reasonable “ ones like McCain.

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freetoken  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:55:52pm

Lots of stormin’ around the central part of the country, with a huge bow-shock from the middle of KS to southern SD, and a smaller one in Iowa:

Northern Kansas, northern Missouri and southern Iowa were in drought conditions, so perhaps this helps. Still, northern Iowa and Wisconsin are already soaked, and they’ll get wetter.

On the wind map, one can see (via the animation arrows) a collision of the air from the Gulf of Mexico with the southward moving air from Canada, colliding over the central states:

You can watch the animation here: earth.nullschool.net

Also neat to see that large extra-tropical storm off of Chile, and the remnant of Emilia and what will soon be Fabio off of Mexico.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:56:31pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

I wish you hadn’t said it here.

This… Yes.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:56:45pm

re: #148 freetoken

JAYZUZ that squall line.

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sauceruney  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:58:34pm

re: #119 Chrysicat

Run and get killed, comply and get killed, or try and take his gun. Which would you choose?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 8:59:47pm

The GOP would be awful if Trump never got involved with them. McConnell and Ryan were rotten people when Trump was just a stupid celebrity.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:07:40pm

Here’s my favorite image from the place where I marched (small group, but there were many marches in my area.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:08:51pm

re: #153 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Here’s my favorite image from the place where I marched (small group, but there were many marches in my area.

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Awesome

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wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:10:00pm

Another example of the Master Race:

The “shield” says “KEK,” the patron god of racist assholes.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:11:35pm
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A Mom Anon  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:13:31pm

re: #155 wheat-dogg

He actually left the house thinking he looked manly and cool….I’d almost feel bad if he weren’t a Nazi and a fucking idiot. By choice.

(Edited to add…)

OMG there’s a group of them? I hope people pointed and laughed. How could you not?

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mmmirele  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:13:44pm

Oh, I mixed it up with the “public relations” person for the “Human Coalition,” a pro-life organization out of Houston on Twitter today. (She was going after Lizz Winstead.) I kept asking her (as the PR person) what her organization’s stance was on separating children from their parents at the border. (The “Human Coalition“‘s Twitter is full of fake numbers of “babies saved.”)

The woman appears to have graduated college in 2012, so she’s less than half my age.

BTW, when hair coloring goes bad: you’re rinsing out the preparation and some of it gets into your mouth. My sense of taste feels like I swished insecticide in my mouth.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:14:17pm

re: #155 wheat-dogg

Another example of the Master Race:

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The “shield” says “KEK,” the patron god of racist assholes.

I can’t pick a favorite tweet in that thread. They are all hilarious.

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stpaulbear  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:15:18pm

I’m trying to put together a list of reps and senators to contact about separating families, and I ran across this list that was just published today. Looks like it may be some very good information.

Politics
Here Are the Republicans Opposing Migrant Family Separation
A growing number of GOP legislators are breaking with the Trump administration’s policy

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:15:32pm

re: #158 mmmirele

Oh, I mixed it up with the “public relations” person for the “Human Coalition,” a pro-life organization out of Houston on Twitter today. (She was going after Lizz Winstead.) I kept asking her (as the PR person) what her organization’s stance was on separating children from their parents at the border. (The “Human Coalition“‘s Twitter is full of fake numbers of “babies saved.”)

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The woman appears to have graduated college in 2012, so she’s less than half my age.

BTW, when hair coloring goes bad: you’re rinsing out the preparation and some of it gets into your mouth. My sense of taste feels like I swished insecticide in my mouth.

I can guess what their answer is!

If it’s not a rich white Christian baby they don’t care.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:17:59pm

re: #157 A Mom Anon

He actually left the house thinking he looked manly and cool….I’d almost feel bad if he weren’t a Nazi and a fucking idiot. By choice.

Comparing that weak effort with some of the cosplay outfits I’ve seen on the Innertubes, it’s just sad, so sad. I’ve seen 7-year-olds at Hallowe’en with better costumes.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:20:55pm
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MsJ  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:27:58pm

re: #160 stpaulbear

I’m trying to put together a list of reps and senators to contact about separating families, and I ran across this list that was just published today. Looks like it may be some very good information.

Except almost all of them will not do shit. Collins, Flake, etc.? Fuck them. Words and nothing more.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:28:43pm

re: #119 Chrysicat

Type these words out. Right now. Do it.

Michael Brown deserved to die.

DO IT!

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:28:44pm

re: #155 wheat-dogg

Looks like Rage Furby cosplaying badly as a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:31:42pm

re: #162 wheat-dogg

Comparing that weak effort with some of the cosplay outfits I’ve seen on the Innertubes, it’s just sad, so sad. I’ve seen 7-year-olds at Hallowe’en with better costumes.

I think this description of the gang is pretty spot on:

Other video from Bivins shows police firing tear gas, making arrests and right-wingers brandishing shields and wearing absurd costumes.

Oooh, the back of his cape is delightful:

(thread has many photos/videos of the Proud Boys and their buddies—what the fuck do these misanthropes have to be proud of anyway?)

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gwangung  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:31:52pm

The year I was born, the quota for Chinese immigration to the United States was…105. And that was there to show solidarity with American allies in WWII.

That number wasn’t raised until I was 10.

Asian Americans have generations of experience with immigration officials with police power. We’re very wary.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:33:50pm

re: #54 JordanRules

When did you know something was seriously wrong with modern America?

For me it was after the first Gore/W Bush debate. W was a train wreck yet some people were like “he did great!”
It was just… off. Like watching a table full of people eating dog food with big smiles.

1966
No one could really explain why we were fighting in Vietnam,
just that we couldn’t afford to lose.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:35:17pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

Type these words out. Right now. Do it.

Michael Brown deserved to die.

DO IT!

If you type “Michael Brown deserved to die.” and post it here, I will rescind all downdings tonight and unblock you on Twitter. Because at least that’s honest in re: this fucking bullshit: re: #69

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:37:54pm

Nazis.

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CleverToad  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:38:45pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

We can’t get a break. New fire. More than a dozen burning in the state, including one about 20 miles from my house.

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Been smelling woodsmoke here in the Denver suburbs all day, and it ain’t the neighbors grilling. No burn order in effect for Arapahoe County, but that hasn’t stopped the idiots around here from shooting off a few noisy things tonight.

Not looking forward to July 4th this year. Stay safe up there!

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:38:45pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

Type these words out. Right now. Do it.

Michael Brown deserved to die.

DO IT!

I’m not going to. But I will say it was literally a struggle over a gun that the officer probably didn’t pull, and choosing him as the hill to die one when “hands up, don’t shoot” is a myth is one of a few things that actually does drive fence-sitters to be such.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:39:59pm

re: #173 Chrysicat

Have a nice life. You’re human garbage to me.

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retired cynic  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:40:01pm

re: #171 jaunte

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Nazis.

Where on earth was that!?

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stpaulbear  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:40:03pm

re: #160 stpaulbear

I’m sending one of my postcards condemning family separation to the RNC headquarters in DC just so I could address it to Chairwoman Ronna Romney McCaniel. Waste of a stamp I know but fuck the RNC.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:40:30pm

re: #175 retired cynic

Portland.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:40:36pm

re: #54 JordanRules

Adam McKay

@GhostPanther
When did you know something was seriously wrong with modern America?

Maybe it was when John Kennedy was assassinated and then the assassin was murdered. I was a teenager in high school but that seemed to be the beginning of terrible times in this country from my limited perspective.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:40:52pm
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retired cynic  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:41:06pm

re: #177 jaunte

Portland.

Lord!

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:42:26pm

And my respect for Rightwingconspirator has lessened tonight.

Fuck this time and place. It’s a bunch of bullshit.

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:45:39pm

re: #54 JordanRules

When O’Connor ruled in favor of gerrymandering. That was when I knew we were in trouble.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:47:15pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:47:44pm

re: #156 Dave In Austin

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:49:25pm

re: #183 Dave In Austin

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wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:49:57pm

This is a long read, but worth it to see how the great deal maker, Donald J Trump, tries to win deals. His adversary in this case was the Bank of Scotland, who was not taking any of his bullshit “interest-free” loans and name recognition promises.

scotsman.com

In the end, someone with more ready cash and more transparent business practices bought the property, an iconic and ancient mansion in Scotland. Reading between the lines of the report, I gather that Trump was strapped for cash, because he could not plunk down a deposit despite all his bluster about the Trump Org being flush with money. Yet, the Org had been able to buy properties for cash — a suspicious practice in real estate deals — at other times.

I get the feeling that the Trump Org rests at the top of a huge house of cards. At any moment, the whole outfit could go belly-up. Good thing for Trump he can just siphon taxpayer money off from his POTUS gig.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:52:07pm

re: #54 JordanRules

Oh! My bad, I thought you were trying to remember who posted it here.

Here it is!

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The murders of the three Ks, with the escalation of the Vietnam war in the middle. That changed everything forever for me.

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:53:07pm
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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:53:35pm

re: #186 wheat-dogg

This is a long read, but worth it to see how the great deal maker, Donald J Trump, tries to win deals. His adversary in this case was the Bank of Scotland, who was not taking any of his bullshit “interest-free” loans and name recognition promises.

scotsman.com

In the end, someone with more ready cash and more transparent business practices bought the property, an iconic and ancient mansion in Scotland. Reading between the lines of the report, I gather that Trump was strapped for cash, because he could not plunk down a deposit despite all his bluster about the Trump Org being flush with money. Yet, the Org had been able to buy properties for cash — a suspicious practice in real estate deals — at other times.

I get the feeling that the Trump Org rests at the top of a huge house of cards. At any moment, the whole outfit could go belly-up. Good thing for Trump he can just siphon taxpayer money off from his POTUS gig.

Here’s his twitter thread describing it all:

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wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:54:54pm

LOL. Pwned!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:55:29pm

The pics from Portland make part of me long for the Sweet Meteor of Death. The rest though wants to fight it out until these freaks are consigned to the Great Dumpster of History. Coincidentally today was the 110th anniversary of the Tunguska Event.

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 9:56:09pm

re: #189 BeachDem

Here’s his twitter thread describing it all:

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The bigger response from me is: “Ewww! Trump St. Andrews?!? The world dodged a bullet there, and would have been best off avoiding it even if his finances had been solid!”

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:05:30pm

It’s a holiday weekend!

America fuck yeah-team america

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Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:06:58pm

Moar rottenness

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wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:08:56pm

re: #192 Chrysicat

The bigger response from me is: “Ewww! Trump St. Andrews?!? The world dodged a bullet there, and would have been best off avoiding it even if his finances had been solid!”

He would have lost it, if his track record with the Atlantic City casinos and the Plaza Hotel is any indication.

nytimes.com

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:09:42pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:14:13pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

You are getting wronged on the downdings imo.

No. They are being intellectually dishonest. It’s simple. Just say these five words, Michael Brown deserved to die.

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:22:27pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

No. They are being intellectually dishonest. It’s simple. Just say these four words, Michael Brown deserved to die.

I won’t say that. I should have kept my opinion to myself, but if one slip-up where I was literally asking us to back off because saying “it can’t have been an accident while struggling over a gun; the cop is always wrong” manages to put people on the other side (it does; my father’s been lost for ages but every time my mother is asked to consider that we might be within Hitler’s Overton window and not the 20th-century American one, all he has to do is bring up “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot. That side lies”) is enough to make you see me as a defective and permanently-irredeemable human, so be it.

I just thought it took a lot more to get blocked here than the birdhouse. I was wrong, I’ll accept that, and I won’t flounce if I can avoid a ban for saying something so stupid.

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:28:06pm

I guess it’s hard for women in Montana to have sex?

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:28:17pm

re: #198 Chrysicat

I won’t say that.

You are intellectually dishonest.

I should have kept my opinion to myself

No fucking shit.

but if one slip-up where I was literally asking us to back off because saying “it can’t have been an accident while struggling over a gun; the cop is always wrong” manages to put people on the other side (it does; my father’s been lost for ages but every time my mother is asked to consider that we might be within Hitler’s Overton window and not the 20th-century American one, all he has to do is bring up “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot. That side lies”) is enough to make you see me as a defective and permanently-irredeemable human, so be it.

blah blah blah blah blah

I just thought it took a lot more to get blocked here than the birdhouse. I was wrong, I’ll accept that, and I won’t flounce if I can avoid a ban for saying something so stupid.

You don’t deny The Holocaust, do you?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:30:39pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

No. They are being intellectually dishonest. It’s simple. Just say these five words, Michael Brown deserved to die.

No.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:31:39pm

re: #201 Unshaken Defiance

No.

So he didn’t deserve to die but his death was justified. Right on.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:32:45pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

This would be a great time to stop trying to put words in my mouth.

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:36:40pm

re: #200 teleskiguy

What on earth does denying the Holocaust have to do with stating that “not every officer-involved shooting is 100% police malice”?

And no, not for a second. It’s hard to when you’ve actually seen massive books with pictures of the death camps.

It should also be noted that the Justice Department under Eric Holder dertermined that Michael Brown’s civil rights weren’t violated and pressed no Federal charges. Not ‘deserved to die’ but definitely ‘not the cop going n-word hunting’.

Note also that just yesterday I said even if Trayvon had been beating George Zimmerman into the ground in Florida, Trayvon was the one legally permitted to stand his ground due to already having been threatened by a deadly weapon, not Mr. Neighbourhood Watch.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:41:17pm

re: #181 teleskiguy

And my respect for Rightwingconspirator has lessened tonight.

Fuck this time and place. It’s a bunch of bullshit.

Sorry to hear that. But being able to discern between Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, much like the difference between living in a complex America where both police and black men get lethally attacked and one being a holocaust denier is kind of an essential skill in this discussion.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:48:43pm

re: #205 Unshaken Defiance

Coming from you, I guess I miss the nuance. I’ll shut the fuck up.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:49:09pm

*spit*

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Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:52:00pm

Well…….
There’s always Portland.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:52:09pm

re: #204 Chrysicat

OK. I will believe cops. All the time.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:55:02pm

re: #198 Chrysicat

FWIW I’m not angry at anyone, sore subject, tough atmosphere these days. I’d buy you both a brew over a handshake.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 10:59:57pm

re: #203 Unshaken Defiance

Michael Brown died by a bullet to the cranium, fired from a pistol at about 10 to 15 feet away by a police officer. Brains and blood all over the road.

Pick one. Michael Brown deserved to die. Michael Brown didn’t deserve to die.

It’s not hard.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:06:23pm

re: #209 teleskiguy

OK. I will believe cops. All the time.

re: #204 Chrysicat

My two cents.

Studies have shown that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. It is not that people are necessarily lying but memories are fragile and influenced by subsequent events and conversations. So, in fact, we will never know what actually happened with Michael Brown. The Justice Dept report could only confirm what the scientific evidence shows — absent an actual real-time recording of the event, it cannot determine the Brown’s behavior during the entire confrontation. There was no physical evidence that Wilson acted inappropriately; and the Justice Dept conclusion reflected that fact.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:08:17pm

re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter

Did Michael Brown deserve to die? I’ll say it. NO, HE DIDN’T!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:14:16pm

re: #208 Dave In Austin

Well…….
There’s always Portland.

The problem here is that while yes the Proud Boys are armed with sticks/clubs/bats & shields, the Antifa is actually instigating the confrontation by throwing objects, including the explosive device, prior to the Proud Boys assault.

This is not an example of “peaceful protestors” being assaulted.

It’s even more clear from this angle

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:15:59pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

You seem to really want this argument, and appear equally determined to presume the worst of Chrysicats conclusion that happens to be similar to mine. Which simply takes the following paragraph(s) into the account of this tragedy that should not have happened on any number of levels. Nobody deserves to die in a fight. But sometimes they do.

Corroborating Wilson’s testimony

Numerous witness accounts were consistent with Wilson’s account and also agreed with the physical evidence at hand. Many witnesses corroborated that Wilson acted in self-defense during the event. A number of the witnesses who corroborated Wilson’s account of events expressed fear and apprehension in testifying, saying they had been harassed or threatened by individuals from the Ferguson community.[10]:pp.27-34 The following are a sample of the witnesses whose accounts aligned with Wilson’s testimony.

Witness 102 was a 27-year-old biracial male. He said he saw Wilson chase Brown until Brown abruptly turned around. Brown did not put his hands up in surrender but made some type of movement similar to pulling his pants up or a shoulder shrug and then made a full charge at Wilson. Witness 102 thought Wilson’s life was threatened and he only fired shots when Brown was coming toward him.[10]:pp.27-28

After the shooting Witness 102 remained in the neighborhood for a short period of time, and corrected a couple of people who claimed Wilson “stood over [Brown] and shot while [he was] on the ground”. In response, Witness 102 said Wilson shot Brown because Brown came back toward Wilson. Witness 102 “kept thinking” Wilson’s shots were “missing” Brown because Brown kept moving.[10]:p.28

I also want to point this out.

Contradicting Wilson’s testimony

Several witnesses who originally testified against Wilson were also interviewed by the prosecution. They admitted to lying under oath as to the truthfulness of their testimony.[124][125] At least one witness took an account from a newspaper; this witness was later discredited by investigators during the process.[125]

Witness 22, who originally claimed she saw Wilson kill Brown in cold blood, admitted she lied to investigators and never saw the incident at all. She said she was just passing along information which her boyfriend told her he saw.[124][126][127] The court transcript reads:

Prosecution: “You gave two statements, were both of those statements true?”
Witness 22: “No. I just felt like I want to be part of something… I didn’t see what I told the FBI what [sic] I saw.

en.wikipedia.org
That’s my final answer to your insistence.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:18:33pm

re: #215 Unshaken Defiance

If you trust testimony from St. Louis County police departments and their subjects, I don’t know what to tell you.

I’ve read everything you’re posting. It’s bullshit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:20:11pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

Did Michael Brown deserve to die? I’ll say it. NO HE DIDN’T!

The term strong-arm robbery seemed excessive for the actual original crime, even if it might be technically correct. The question would be whether the officer should have continued firing when Brown was running away — and that seems clearly wrong.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:22:20pm

re: #217 Hecuba’s daughter

Dude died on his stomach, shot in the back of his cranium. There’s several thousand photos on the internet.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:23:54pm

re: #217 Hecuba’s daughter

Witness 35 said Brown was “on his knees” when Wilson shot him in the head. Under questioning, his testimony fell apart, and he admitted fabricating it.[126]

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:25:17pm

re: #219 Unshaken Defiance

Why won’t you folks say it? That this was a legal killing of a citizen by government. Say it!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:27:06pm

re: #220 teleskiguy

Why won’t you folks say it? That this was a legal killing of a citizen by government. Say it!

Because I would be lying through my teeth. Would you like this book? Independent investigator that does this stuff for a living.

Ferguson, MO: What Really Happened: A Systematic, Scientific Analysis Paperback – September 4, 2015

amazon.com

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Chrysicat  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:27:55pm

re: #220 teleskiguy

We’re saying it was legal. We’re not saying ‘he deserved it’, but we are saying he violently resisted arrest—twice—, that the gun quite possibly wouldn’t have been out if Michael Brown hadn’t tried to steal it, and that the officer was in fear for his life when he fired the fatal shot. But if it wasn’t legal, Justice under Holder would have charged.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:29:44pm

re: #222 Chrysicat

We’re not saying ‘he deserved it’

You’re not sorry he died, either.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:31:42pm

I fear the police.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:31:53pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

You’re not sorry he died, either.

That’s a shameful accusation. And you have not acknowledged one whit of the actually false testimony that we know happened, and which surely colored this very discussion beyond reason.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:32:31pm

Almost a hundred people die by gunfire DAILY in the United States.

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danarchy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:33:30pm

re: #218 teleskiguy

Dude died on his stomach, shot in the back of his cranium. There’s several thousand photos on the internet.

I am not wading into this argument, but literally none of the autopsy reports, including the one commissioned by the family claimed he was shot in the back of the cranium. If you are going take such a strong position at least get the basic scientifically provable facts right.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:35:16pm

People who think Michael Brown was innocent and should’ve not been shot to death are stupid assholes that hate evidence and testimony.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:36:58pm

Michael Brown deserved to die.

Simple. Admit it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:39:09pm

I’m leaving. See y’all tomorrow, or the next day, or never.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:40:16pm

re: #224 teleskiguy

I fear the police.

So do I. And I like you have far less reason than black people. And you may recall I have written plenty of critical pages and comments about them. I just happen to be well aware of the physical evidence in the Brown case, and like some others I was really disturbed by the impact of BOTH an unnecessary tragic death and an atmosphere made even more dangerous by liars looking to start shit with the police. I think that’s what got you on this one.
So much for final answer. Take it as respect for you despite the disagreement.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:42:40pm

So, anyone else half as ready for a change of subject as a certain 3 of us?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:43:19pm

re: #8 JordanRules

Read a thing on Tumblr the other day about how “punishable with a fine” means “legal for rich people” and it’s lodged in my head firmly.

Some nations measure fines in terms of a percentage of your income, this led to the head of Nokia in Finland paying €20,000 for a speeding ticket…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:44:56pm

re: #18 JordanRules

People who name their kid Donald after 2016 will look very suspect to me.

We named our son Donal (without the D) in 2006…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2018 • 11:58:16pm

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some nations measure fines in terms of a percentage of your income, this led to the head of Nokia in Finland paying €20,000 for a speeding ticket…

We need more of that!! Should be implemented here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:02:00am

re: #56 HappyWarrior

For me, it was people buying the Swift Boat lies about Kerry combined with the 2004 RNC. I wish the Never Trumpers on the right would at least own up to that if they won’t about how imo Reagan made Trump possible.

People throwing hissy fits about Kerry’s Vietnam service record while having no problem with Bush ducking Vietnam to serve in the Air National Guard and then not even show up for duty.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:04:51am

re: #84 Big Beautiful Door

In other living while black news, a white woman called the cops on a 12 year old mowing a lawn.

That has been discussed, reports indicate that the kid’s business is now booming as a result.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:05:34am

re: #106 rhuarc

By rubbing his black skin on him. That’s their super power.

Remember the Fox commentator with “His hands are like lethal weapons”?

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austin_blue  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:08:34am

Went to the protest in Austin today, wearing a Billion Bubba March shirt from 2000. Maybe 12,000 people? Just guessing. Not as many as the organizers were expecting. They wanted 25,000. Whatever. Calm. Peaceful. Convivial. Austin-like. It was also fucking hot as shit (duh!). Nobody got into each other’s faces.

Then met with our friend Jenny from Tuscaloosa for a dinner at our house and went to the performance of Bernstein’s MASS (1971), an orchestral piece (orchestra in the pit) with multiple choruses, including a 80-voiced children’s choir which include the African Children’s Choir (from Africa, touring the US and playing the two shows yesterday and tonight along with locals), local Grammy-winning all-stars Conspirare, a marching band up the aisles and onstage, and dancers. A real multi-disciplanarian show. Originally premiered at the Kennedy Center, Nixon notably didn’t attend because it was seen as “anti-government” in 1971, after Tet, My Lai, Kent State, and the incursions into Cambodia and Laos. Can you imagine?

It was a monster of a show. I’ve got my nits about the structure of the show itself (which I’m going to think about for the next few days to see if they make sense in review), but the performance brought tears to my eyes. Majestic music does that.

It was, all in all, a damn good day. Oh, and I drank some some fine rye whiskey.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:10:11am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

2010 was another one for me. The rise of the Tea Party but it got me back into politics.

When Obama was elected, he could have been held up by Conservatives as proof that the American Dream can work for anyone, regardless of race or social background, can make it to the top if they work hard and apply themselves.

But that would have involved acknowledging his accomplishments as editor of Harvard law Review and a US Senator. Instead they attacked him as a Muslim Kenyan usurper.

That showed me the true face of modern Conservatism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:14:05am

re: #193 teleskiguy

It’s a holiday weekend!

There are people who play this song without any sense of irony

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austin_blue  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:14:59am

re: #230 teleskiguy

I’m leaving. See y’all tomorrow, or the next day, or never.

Uh oh.

Damn. That could really suck. Can’t deal. Off to bed. Night all, sweet dreams.

Don’t leave, teleskiguy.

But really, the kid had a little hole in the front of his head and his brainstem blown out the back. I mean, autopsy report and shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:19:44am

re: #230 teleskiguy

I’m leaving. See y’all tomorrow, or the next day, or never.

one thing I like about this site is that we rarely get personal or ad hominem .

We discuss topics that are nuanced…and rarely make blanket accusations or associations based on isolated points of view.

No, how about those Cubs?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:22:06am

re: #240 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When Obama was elected, he could have been held up by Conservatives as proof that the American Dream can work for anyone, regardless of race or social background, can make it to the top if they work hard and apply themselves.

But that would have involved acknowledging his accomplishments as editor of Harvard law Review and a US Senator. Instead they attacked him as a Muslim Kenyan usurper.

That showed me the true face of modern Conservatism.

It also would’ve involved the acknowledgment of a black man in a position of the highest authority in the land.

And there’s the rub; many on the Right view black people as distinctly inferior to themselves and so it became easier - and perhaps more emotionally satisfying - to embrace outlandish conspiracies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:23:51am

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

It also would’ve involved the acknowledgment of a black man in a position of the highest authority in the land.

And there’s the rub; many on the Right view black people as distinctly inferior to themselves and so it became easier - and perhaps more emotionally satisfying - to embrace outlandish conspiracies.

And nobody in the Party was about to call them out or even try to distance themselves from those theories, it led to an attention-grabbing race to the bottom to come up with the most outlandish and unfounded assertions.

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:26:35am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:45:02am

re: #245 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And nobody in the Party was about to call them out or even try to distance themselves from those theories, it led to an attention-grabbing race to the bottom to come up with the most outlandish and unfounded assertions.

My (admittedly amateur) theory on one of the many things that led to the rise of Donald Trump is that a not-insignificant percentage of White Americans were profoundly psychologically traumatized by the election, and subsequent re-election, of President Obama.

For them, his back-to-back victories probably called into question the assumptions that formed the very core of their collective identity as White Americans; that White men (and occasionally, a White woman) formed a natural ruling class; that White superiority and socio-economic dominance was simply an inherent and unquestioned fact of life; that the position of White Americans at the apex of the pyramid was destined to be a perpetual affair, and certainly, many other underlying assumptions about race and the idea of a racial pecking order.

All of those core concepts were overturned with President Obama and that scared them - and scarred them - more that they might even consciously recognize.

And they found their unlikely messiah, their Great White Hope, in Donald Trump, a two-bit shyster and bloviating con-man, all in their desperate desire to see what they perceive of as the “natural order of things” restored.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 12:49:58am

re: #247 Dr Lizardo

My (admittedly amateur) theory on one of the many things that led to the rise of Donald Trump is that a not-insignificant percentage of White Americans were profoundly psychologically traumatized by the election, and subsequent re-election, of President Obama.

Recall that Obama had a popular vote majority both times around: I think that shows that most “normal” people actually liked the fellow.

But a significant and very vocal minority found him a threat to their values and assumptions and thus, by extension to America itself.

And our electoral system allowed the GOP to use this active and vocal minority to gain an Electoral College victory.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 1, 2018 • 1:09:18am

re: #112 Unshaken Defiance

Close to the cop. Outside is still close quarters. Grappling range

The only gunshot residue in the report was associated with the wound to Brown’s right thumb, which occurred in the car after the officer grabbed him. All the other shots occurred 150 feet away from the vehicle, after Brown had fled and the officer pursued. According to the autopsy none of those subsequent shots left any visible soot, stippling or detectible GSR on Brown’s skin, in his wounds or on his clothing. The findings do not support your assertion that he was killed at grappling range.

Brown obviously was not the perfect victim that we somehow needed him to be, and for me that’s the really shitty lesson in all this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 1:12:49am

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

The only gunshot residue in the report was associated with the wound to Brown’s right hand, which occurred in the car after the officer grabbed him. All the other shots occurred 150 feet away from the vehicle, after Brown had fled and the officer pursued. According to the autopsy none of those subsequent shots left any visible soot, stippling or detectible GSR on Brown’s skin, in his wounds or on his clothing. The findings do not support your assertion that he was killed at grappling range.

Brown obviously was not the perfect victim that we somehow needed him to be, and for me that’s the really shitty lesson in all this.

Don’t forget the Orbital Blowout!

The whole discussion turned into a shouting match. People were compelled to take opposing sides of the issue and make claims that were only partially supported.

But that is symptomatic of what has become of public and political discourse, especially on the Internet.

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harlequinade  Jul 1, 2018 • 1:13:26am

re: #127 teleskiguy

Deescalation. That is a word that needs to be employed more often than the three words shoot to kill.

QFFT

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 1:41:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 1:42:57am

re: #252 JordanRules

Antler, North Dakota, population 27, had 15 people protesting Trump’s anti-family immigration policy today.

shows how deep this aversion to separating families runs in America

The GOP needs to be forced to wear this albatross around their neck until every single child is accounted for and returned

which basically means forever as it is clear that many of those kids have gone lost forever and we can only assume the worst…

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 1, 2018 • 1:58:53am

LOL, what a retard.

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:00:31am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:03:17am

re: #247 Dr Lizardo

My (admittedly amateur) theory on one of the many things that led to the rise of Donald Trump is that a not-insignificant percentage of White Americans were profoundly psychologically traumatized by the election, and subsequent re-election, of President Obama.

For them, his back-to-back victories probably called into question the assumptions that formed the very core of their collective identity as White Americans; that White men (and occasionally, a White woman) formed a natural ruling class; that White superiority and socio-economic dominance was simply an inherent and unquestioned fact of life; that the position of White Americans at the apex of the pyramid was destined to be a perpetual affair, and certainly, many other underlying assumptions about race and the idea of a racial pecking order.

All of those core concepts were overturned with President Obama and that scared them - and scarred them - more that they might even consciously recognize.

And they found their unlikely messiah, their Great White Hope, in Donald Trump, a two-bit shyster and bloviating con-man, all in their desperate desire to see what they perceive of as the “natural order of things” restored.

It’s a reasonable theory. There are people who are mortally afraid of anyone not Christian or white or Anglo or all three, so the realization that someone not fitting two of those three categories being president scared the crap out of them. It may also explain why so many were so willing to buy the crap that Obama was Muslim and not “native-born” — that he had somehow gamed the system, because how else could a non-white person have gained the White House? Never mind that he had won the popular vote twice. To a person given to CTs, there had to be some nefarious reason for all those votes.

Even more alarming to them was the possibility that it might even happen again, but this time it could be a female president. Oh noez! And that in the not-too-distant future, some other “other” could become president.

In walks a reality TV personality who says only he can fix what ails them, because after all he always does the right thing on TV. He doesn’t like immigrants at all, doesn’t trust Muslims, probably is not too keen on African-Americans or Jews, either. He speaks in short, easy to understand sentences — even if strung together they make no sense. And, I am willing to bet, they hope that he could somehow remain in power long enough to make it impossible for any other “other” to become president.

And he will sell them out as fast as he has everyone else. Most of them haven’t caught onto that yet.

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Cheechako  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:04:28am

re: #254 Single-handed sailor

LOL, what a retard.

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They’ll have a tough time finding “a portfolio of solid academic writing” written for the fourth grade reader so, no, trump will definitely not read it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:04:38am

re: #254 Single-handed sailor

WashPost: Trump “wants to see a portfolio of solid academic writing” from his SCOTUS nominee, though an adviser “acknowled

WashPost: Trump “wants to see a portfolio of solid academic writing” from his SCOTUS nominee, though an adviser “acknowledged Trump does not care to read it; he simply wants to know it exists.”

We already know that DT does not want to read any briefing that consists of more than one page with up to 10 bullet points.

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:14:16am
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:22:14am

re: #259 JordanRules

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I’m a green card holder. I try to keep a low profile.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:25:16am

re: #260 Single-handed sailor

Steel pipe maker in Ontario lays off 40 workers over U.S. tariffs

We will show those pesky foreigners not to treat us bad!

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:25:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:29:17am

Man Hand(ler)

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:38:29am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:38:31am

re: #257 Cheechako

They’ll have a tough time finding “a portfolio of solid academic writing” written for the fourth grade reader so, no, trump will definitely not read it.

It’ll be the legal version of the Sokal Hoax.

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Lupin  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:41:21am

Your discussion here about the Michael Brown shooting fills me with horror.

In 2017, French police short and killed 18 people in total. In the US, your stats say your police shot and killed 987 people that same year.

And out of those 18 dead, 9 were shot off-duty — suicide, policeman killing wife and child, mother-in-law, etc. So only 9 people were actually killed during a police confrontation. In 4 of these 9 cases, the police were actually being shot at. The other 5 were knife attacks.

To me the circumstances of the shooting are almost an afterthought. The police should not kill, except in the direst of emergencies, period.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:42:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:46:26am

re: #266 Lupin

Your discussion here about the Michael Brown shooting fills me with horror.

In 2017, French police short and killed 18 people in total. In the US, your stats say your police shot and killed 987 people that same year.

Police throughout Germany fired a total of 75 times at people in 2017.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 1, 2018 • 2:57:07am

So, in Brexit news (ye gods, what a shitshow) it looks like PM May is basically going to try to force her cabinet to agree on………..well, something. Anything, really.

And there’s really only six weeks left for negotiations.

Yep. Six weeks.

The ultimate irony in all this is that Brexit will break the Conservative Party apart; the process that was designed to heal an internal rift four decades in the making has actually shattered the party beyond repair.

That these venal and selfish mediocrities have dragged the rest of the UK into the political equivalent of an internal Tory barroom brawl is a disgrace.

Brexit will be an unmitigated disaster. Hell, even Boris Johnson has given up portraying it as some kind of “wonderful liberation”.

theguardian.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 3:05:38am

re: #270 Dr Lizardo

That these venal and selfish mediocrities have dragged the rest of the UK into the political equivalent of a barroom brawl is a disgrace.

Brexit will be an unmitigated disaster. Hell, even Boris Johnson has given up portraying it as some kind of “wonderful liberation”.

theguardian.com

The worst case situation is that they are left isolated from Europe

The best case is that they de facto remain in the EU, observing all its rules and regulations, but without any voice in shaping them.

Like being forced to pick up sour socks and leave the toilet seat down even after your girlfriend has left you.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 1, 2018 • 3:09:13am

re: #271 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The worst case situation is that they are left isolated from Europe

The best case is that they de facto remain in the EU, observing all its rules and regulations, but without any voice in shaping them.

Like being forced to pick up sour socks and leave the toilet seat down even after your girlfriend has left you.

And the worst part of it is that even the best case scenario - one that finds them remaining in the EU de facto - leaves them outside the tent, pissing into the wind………and having it blown right back into their face.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 1, 2018 • 3:23:46am

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

And the worst part of it is that even the best case scenario - one that finds them remaining in the EU de facto - leaves them outside the tent, pissing into the wind………and having it blown right back into their face.

They clearly did not think things through when they launched the campaign.

And very few of the supporters demanded clear positions and answers to what a post-Brexit UK should look like, it was mostly just protest and finger-flipping.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:16:53am

what a relief…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:19:13am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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what a relief…

WE MUST NOT ALLOW A STRATEGIC CHEESE STOCKPILE GAP!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:20:28am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:23:35am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imagine my surprise.

Hint: It is zero.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:46:09am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But but but he’s such a hugely successful businessman, right? Forget about all those bankruptcies, lawsuits, settlements, etc. Can Democrats run this development in ads? Everytime Republicans get into office, the economy goes bonkers for average Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:46:46am

re: #267 Single-handed sailor

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As you guys know, I have a four year old niece. The idea of putting someone close to her age in court especially alone is horrific to me. It goes against everything I believe. And wingers are whining about the Time magazine cover.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:48:29am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll admit the debt isn’t one of my big issues but this is yet another failing by the GOP.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:51:38am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

It’s on. like page 367 of things I’m worried about now…in volume 27.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:52:14am

re: #266 Lupin

In the U.S., you have a “shoot first, ask questions later” mentality — even among civilians. Look at what happened when George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin and the police didn’t even want to arrest him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:55:44am

re: #281 Sufficient unto the day…

It’s on. like page 367 of things I’m worried about now…in volume 27.

Same.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 1, 2018 • 4:59:19am

re: #259 JordanRules

The comments are all hostile towards Mr. Garcia. Hope he gets his citizenship soon. We have a strong anti-immigrant (especially when the immigrants are of color) movement in this country which is being fluffed by the current administration and the Bigot-in-Chief. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t an attempt in the near future to restrict legal immigration to this country.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:01:45am

I am sorry but you couldn’t pay me to go spelunking, freaks me out thinking about it.

Rescue divers cleared a key hurdle Sunday in the increasingly desperate search for 12 boys and their soccer coach who went missing in a cave in northern Thailand more than a week ago, officials said.

A team led by Thai navy SEAL divers pushed through the murk of a kilometer- (half-mile-) long chamber to a passageway that could lead to where the missing possibly took shelter, said the SEAL’s commander, Rear Adm. Arpakorn Yookongkaew.

nypost.com

I hope they find everyone safe and sound.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:01:55am

He ended up being a scumbag but John Edwards was right about there being two Americas but he framed it wrongly. There’s one America- welcoming, inclusive, embracing the advances we make and continue to do so but there’s another that doesn’t want you here, exclusive, and despises the advances. It’s not economics though. College kids with student loans can welcome while the hold toilet President is King Xenoohobe. Other college students can be on the frontline of this new fascism and successful celebrities like America Ferrera and Christy Teigen can welcome you. Even division within families. If Civil War happens and honestly I think I will see one in my lifetime sad to say, it will be different then the first.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:03:16am

re: #284 Patricia Kayden

The comments are all hostile towards Mr. Garcia. Hope he gets his citizenship soon. We have a strong anti-immigrant (especially when the immigrants are of color) movement in this country which is being fluffed by the current administration and the Bigot-in-Chief. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t an attempt in the near future to restrict legal immigration to this country.

They claim only to be against illegal immigration but their words show they’re against immigrants of color all the time. Melania potentially violating immigration law doesn’t bother them.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:06:11am

re: #285 Shropshire Slasher

I am sorry but you couldn’t pay me to go spelunking, freaks me out thinking about it.

nypost.com

I hope they find everyone safe and sound.

Cave diving is exponentially more dangerous than either spelunking or diving by itself. A diver can easily get trapped in a tight space or injured by sharp rocks, or suffer equipment damage. At least these divers have the advantage of a mapped-out cave system.

Those kids and their coach have been trapped for almost two weeks. If they had any food, it’s now long gone. They might be OK if the water is drinkable, but they’re still going to be in dire straits.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:12:40am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:12:48am

Truly is amazing how the right is convinced there’s fake news and spread nothing but it in their social media.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:13:59am

re: #289 Patricia Kayden

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If MLK were around right now, I have zero doubt at all that he would receive the same hatred that BLM, the Parkland kids, and others have received. The time removed from his iife is the only thing that allows the wingnuts to pretend like they respect him and what he stood for while opposing everything.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:14:06am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

I remember a Trump supporter explicitly stating that migration from Europe isn’t a problem for him. That says it all about their stance on immigration, imho.

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Teukka  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:17:05am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Truly is amazing how the right is convinced there’s fake news and spread nothing but it in their social media.

*cough* Projection *cough*

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:18:44am

re: #292 Patricia Kayden

I remember a Trump supporter explicitly stating that migration from Europe isn’t a problem for him. That says it all about their stance on immigration, imho.

It does yes. That’s always been their problem. Where the immigrants were from. The 1924 immigration act targeted people from Southern and Eastern Europe for example due to prejudicial reasons and bullshit about how they were extremists- gee that doesn’t sound familiar but there was some colorism there too, the WASPs making those laws didn’t see Slavs, Italians, and Jews as being “white enough.” Makes it all more sad that some of their descendants want to make common cause with the same people that would have had their ancestors out simply because of their place of origin. I may be white and of European ancestry but it doesn’t matter to me where you’re from, it matters to me how you are. And honestly if you’re harping about illegal immigrants while ignoring the realities i.e. the crime rates, their positive contributions to the economy, and that they in fact put in much more money than they take out of the system, you’re the problem.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:19:23am

re: #293 Teukka

*cough* Projection *cough*

Seriously every wingnut I know on Facebook does nothing but project.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:25:37am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

I’ll admit the debt isn’t one of my big issues but this is yet another failing by the GOP.

Economists (well, some economists) argue that the national debt is a good thing, because it improves liquidity and combats inflation. Politicians (especially Republicans when they are the minority) make a big deal about raising the debt ceiling, but it’s all a charade.

But there is a concern that continued spending without concomitant increases in tax revenues, which is what the US is doing now under Trump, is going be a disaster down the road.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:28:55am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Seriously every wingnut I know on Facebook does nothing but project.

And gaslight. Sometimes it’s hard to tell the 2 apart.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:51:54am

re: #297 Dave In Austin

And gaslight. Sometimes it’s hard to tell the 2 apart.

Very true.

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:54:35am

Morning.

You know, I am glad I logged out early last night. I see there was another blowout this time over Michael Brown.

This period of time in America is awfully testy. And Trump fuels himself on it. He wants to see a breakdown from the middle to the left so those that want the power can just take it.

I imagine after some time there will be apologies again. Maybe think of the behavior before you have to apologize.

I’ll just add, I don’t think there is anyone single person here at LGF who thinks we do not have a huge policing problem.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 5:56:58am

Smarter Every Day guy meets the 50 Lawns in 50 States guy.

This is the America I love. Not Trump’s.

The Man Mowing Lawns in all 50 States (Interview and the 50 Yard Challenge)

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:00:59am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:01:21am

Apparently Heinrich Himmler’s daughter died. I bring this up because of how we wonder about children shaped by extremist ideology become. She died an unrepentant Nazi.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:02:25am

re: #301 Patricia Kayden

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Imiagrunt needs to become slang for the many immigrant men and women who serve their adoptive country.

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jeffreyw  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:03:32am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:05:47am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

“Makes it all more sad that some of their descendants want to make common cause with the same people that would have had their ancestors out simply because of their place of origin.”

Looking directly at you, Stephen Miller.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:08:53am

re: #305 Patricia Kayden

“Makes it all more sad that some of their descendants want to make common cause with the same people that would have had their ancestors out simply because of their place of origin.”

Looking directly at you, Stephen Miller.

No kidding. His mother’s family is actually where my mom’s family settled. His fled the Pogroms- much worse than the Austrian Hungarian empire mine fled but he’s got no sympathy at all for those fleeing violence and poverty. A person like that advising POTUS agh.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:29:24am

re: #301 Patricia Kayden

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Reminds me of the National Socialist masterminds who painted “HIGH HITLER!” on a synagogue.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:34:32am

re: #307 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Reminds me of the National Socialist masterminds who painted “HIGH HITLER!” on a synagogue.

He smoked weed? Who knew?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:36:35am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Red Ink Borrow and Spend RepubliKKKlans get in power and they always let the red ink flow like the dam is broke

Clinton and Obama get in and reduce the deficit and the Republican Bullshit Machine goes to 11 bullshitting about big the deficit is and what big spenders Democrats are.

Borrow and Spend RepubliKKKlans always bullshit about Tax and Spend Democrats.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:37:43am

re: #308 wheat-dogg

He smoked weed? Who knew?

Oh I think ol Dolf did the Amphetamine thing…

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:39:51am

re: #310 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh I think ol Dolf did the Amphetamine thing…

He was getting speed and some other drug on a regular basis.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:42:49am

re: #311 wheat-dogg

He was getting speed and some other drug on a regular basis.

I think he was basically doing speedballs.

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:44:00am

“Who you gonna believe, me, or your lying eyes?”

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:44:55am

re: #313 jaunte

They are all crisis actors, paid by Soros.

— Ann Coulter

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danarchy  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:45:56am

re: #308 wheat-dogg

He smoked weed? Who knew?

No but there is a theory his personal doctor was pumping him full of amphetamines.

High Hitler

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:48:56am

re: #315 danarchy

No but there is a theory his personal doctor was pumping him full of amphetamines.

I was being sarcastic, y’know. ;-) And I think it’s more than a theory, judging from the WWII history books I’ve read.

Makes me wonder what meds/drugs Trump is taking. {Sniff}

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:57:31am

Musical interlude — with a baseball theme!

Last Game 〜最後の夏〜 / composed by Kanaho

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 6:58:32am

moron needs new material

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:01:25am

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron needs new material

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We didn’t have rampant crime before ICE but go ahead and lie some more you orange asshole.

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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:03:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:08:10am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:09:44am

re: #320 MsJ

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They should arrest Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:11:04am
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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:12:07am

re: #320 MsJ

Is embarrassing the president a crime now? Trump will have to self-arrest.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:12:11am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:12:50am

re: #324 jaunte

Of course then he could pardon himself. /half

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:13:47am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:15:23am

re: #320 MsJ

Trump is going after Stuttering John because he was made a fool for all to see. The law-talking guys here can discuss whether there will be any legal case here.

John M made no effort to sound like Menendez. He used his own personal phone number, and even said he was in California “on vacation.” The onus is on the WH staff, and reportedly on “Brainiac 5” Kushner who insisted the call was legit.

Melendez (John, that is) did nothing illegal, IMO. He did not hack the WH comms. He did not offer a convincing impersonation of a US Senator. He used the WH public phone number and his wits to trick supposedly intelligent people to have the President call him back!

I bet the operatives listening in to the conversation had a hell of a laugh. I can imagine the hilarity in China and Russia right now.

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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:17:36am
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A Mom Anon  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:18:39am

re: #320 MsJ

OK, I don’t think they were coming to arrest him. I may be wrong, but maybe they wanted to talk to him, as they do anyone who issues a threat or makes a stupid joke ala Kathy Griffin or does something dumbass like this. If they were going to arrest him they probably would have by now. Unless there’s a warrant or there’s something we don’t know that’s happened besides this dipshit nonsense. I get being scared with feds showing up, but arrest him? Impersonating a senator on the phone? Is that a crime?

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:18:52am

I know it’s been said before, but if this administration was collectively any smarter than they are, we’d be in much worse trouble than we are now.

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uncah91  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:19:01am

Not really my place, and I’m sure I’m getting a reputation, but dollars will get you doughnuts teleski was in his cups last night. Seen it happen before, here.

The Michael Brown case is part of a pattern. It’s the pattern that is the problem. The pattern where black people (and poor people in general, especially the urban poor, and most especially the brown poor) are seen as an element from which society needs to be protected, rather than part of society.

I think there is a through line from this through to Jim Crow, slavery and anti-immigrant sentiment, but also The Grapes of Wrath.

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:20:12am

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron needs new material

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He pounds on the same points all the time just like he did in the election.

Sad fact, it works for him.

Add in the media who seem to have taken the theme the Democrats are in a mess and can’t muster the unity to stop Trump from putting in a far right Supreme Court judge and Trump benefits.

Grrrrrrrr.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:20:17am

re: #330 A Mom Anon

Impersonating a senator on the phone? Is that a crime?

I can think of several Senators who impersonate being Senators, if ya know what I mean.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:20:20am

i. am. dying.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:22:15am

Sunday morning is my writing time, but I got pissed and an idea so I sent this first.

This is what I posted for my cousins up north. Happy CD

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:23:16am

re: #330 A Mom Anon

OK, I don’t think they were coming to arrest him. I may be wrong, but maybe they wanted to talk to him, as they do anyone who issues a threat or makes a stupid joke ala Kathy Griffin or does something dumbass like this. If they were going to arrest him they probably would have by now. Unless there’s a warrant or there’s something we don’t know that’s happened besides this dipshit nonsense. I get being scared with feds showing up, but arrest him? Impersonating a senator on the phone? Is that a crime?

Apparently it is not illegal that we have a moron in the WH impersonating a President (and a bad impression at that).

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:27:50am

re: #324 jaunte

Is embarrassing the president a crime now? Trump will have to self-arrest.

A crime against his appearance of competency.

Really, this is how a dick-tater operates.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:29:38am

good grief, he’s stupid

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:29:55am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

i. am. dying.

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Jesus, that’s actually terrifying.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:32:04am

re: #340 Barefoot Grin

Jesus, that’s actually terrifying.

I wonder how many of the same people think the Moon landings were faked.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:32:17am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s truly remarkable they can feed themselves without putting a fork in their eyes every day. Dear God.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:32:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:34:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:35:07am
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plansbandc  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:35:16am

re: #328 wheat-dogg

I don’t think any foreign leaders can believe just how fucking ignorant he is.

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:35:33am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gospel of Hobby Lobby: Blessed Are The Dried Arrangement Allergy Inducers

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:35:55am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another reason to buy crafts and supplies from someone else.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:35:56am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief, he’s stupid

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He really thinks everyone who ever bought a Harley voted for him? Delusions are fun.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:36:35am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And if he did leak info, they’d complain too.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:40:58am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

Yeah we have a 2012 Road Glide Ultra (that I’d love to sell but can’t find a buyer for. It’s a steal of a deal folks,lol). No one in this house voted for Trump. Bikers for Autism is in Canada, pretty sure none of those guys voted for him either. But sure, keep assuming all that and more Donnie Doll Hands. Just like no liberals own guns, or have jobs or any of the other airhead crap they like to lull themselves into a a coma with.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:41:39am

re: #346 plansbandc

I don’t think any foreign leaders can believe just how fucking ignorant he is.

They’ve had plenty of time to suss him out. They probably knew more about Trump the candidate than the GOP apparently did.

Trump is willfully ignorant. No wonder he has a loyal base. He’s just like them!

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:42:17am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

He really thinks everyone who ever bought a Harley voted for him? Delusions are fun.

Would you settle for a majority of Harley owners voted for him?

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:45:17am

re: #155 wheat-dogg

Another example of the Master Race:

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The “shield” says “KEK,” the patron god of racist assholes.

And that god demands to be serviced, hence the knee-pads?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:45:21am

re: #353 ObserverArt

Would you settle for a majority of Harley owners voted for him?

It’s just laughable how he engages in stupid hyperbole to justify his bs.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:48:00am

re: #353 ObserverArt

I might go with that, if my husband’s idiot friends are an indication. But high end bikes are out of reach for most people these days. HD and Indian are pricing themselves out of business. Touring bikes especially are insanely expensive. These bikes are still being marketed towards working class people who can’t afford them. And the custom bike market is even crazier.

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:50:05am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:52:26am

Any more word on the suspect in the Idaho mass stabbing in the immigrant community? So far, all they’ve said is that the suspect came from out of state.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:52:36am

Happy Canada Day to Northern Lizards!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:54:28am

re: #357 jaunte

Thought of this angle.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:57:21am
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Jay C  Jul 1, 2018 • 7:59:06am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief, he’s stupid

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You just noticed? (///sarc///)

What struck me about this imbecilic thread was not only its economic misconceptions/lies - but the implicit notion Our Preznit seems to hold that his “dedicated” followers are numerous enough, savvy enough, wealthy enough, and/or motivated enough do do any serious economic damage to a company like Harley-Davidson just on his say-so, and solely (AFAICT) for the “offense” (all too easy) of making Donald Trump look foolish? I can easily imagine a coordinated campaign of online harassment, or the occasional picket, but what is Trump “threatening”? A boycott? Not going to be of much practical use, since, IIRC, H-D is setting up production facilities abroad to beat the tariff regime for cycles sold outside the US.
Not “cute”, just good business sense….

ADD: Oh, yeah, and “trade barriers hurt farmers”?? I’m guessing Orange Anus isn’t aware that agricultural exports (bulk grains mainly, but all sorts of edible stuff) are one of this country’s few remaining serious balance-of-trade positives? Trade barriers may indeed hurt farmers, but retaliatory tariffs by otherwise lucrative export clients are going to hurt them more.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:00:26am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Reminder that Screwzy Collins voted for Gorsuch.

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:01:13am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:01:23am

re: #353 ObserverArt

Would you settle for a majority of Harley owners voted for him?

Probably true.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:03:21am

re: #364 jaunte

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That’s pretty rich considering his own business practices.

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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:05:39am

Steve Schmidt has zero fucks to give.

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b.d.  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:06:50am

re: #364 jaunte

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“They’re more for their business than they are for the United States.”

Aren’t publicly held companies required by law to be more for their business than they are for the United States?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:07:21am
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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:07:33am

re: #368 b.d.

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:09:04am

He’s a fascist.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:09:05am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gosh, I wonder if Shittler excluded his Hobby Lobby pals from those new Chinese tariffs?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:09:38am

re: #367 MsJ

You expected something different? The whole Trump family is a bunch of con-artists.

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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:09:46am

re: #368 b.d.

Aren’t publicly held companies required by law to be more for their business than they are for the United States?

Every single day trump shows how incredibly ignorant he is of business; the rules, regulations, and responsibilities - and how he could bankrupt the most profitable of companies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:09:54am

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:11:01am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

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Shut up Mr. I ran on the country’s going to shit and only I can save it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:11:09am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just think of the ripple effect. Harley shifts production out of the US, Harley dealers lay off employees, repair shops see a decline in business because they have to pay more for imported parts, they lay off repairmen, supply chain demand reduced, they lay off workers…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:12:23am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

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Coming from the asshole who incites hatred of the press, threatens Maxine Waters.

GO fuck yourself Tweety Amin!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:17:08am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

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Idiot looks like she’s ready to bow down before President Asshole.

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b.d.  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:18:48am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

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I’ve had it with political correctness, also, the Dems better watch their tone!!!

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:22:43am

You know one thing that is really making me sick of current politics.

Us and Them.

Red and Blue

Left and Right

Zero nuance. Everyone has to be one or the other and much of it is driven by the media.

If this country is going to be saved it is going to be the mostly silent, thoughtful, middle centrist American that just wants a good life and country.

And that will only show in an election. But, the problem is all the rancor between the far ends discourages the middle.

The Democrats need that middle, so in some ways, being a little less ‘us and them’ might serve the party in the long run.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:24:03am

re: #359 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Happy Canada Day to Northern Lizards!

Thanks! I miss home greatly today.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:24:48am

Got a page coming later on my involvement in the march yesterday. Stay tuned.

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makeitstop  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:25:37am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

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Sure sounds like a threat to me.

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:26:12am

“I think I taught them more about tariffs than I could ever learn…”

This is, of course, insane.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:27:26am

re: #377 Joe Bacon 🌹

There’s that, but remember Harley especially has a huge side business selling the brand/logo on everything from socks and underwear to hats, jackets, t-shirts, and everything you can think of decor wise. If the brand dies here, eventually that will dry up too, especially if enough people get pissed enough and the economy worsens for the very people they market to.

Personally, I like Indian bikes better(aesthetics wise), and pretty much everyone I’ve known who has a Harley is a freaking douche. Some exceptions but not many. For a certain demographic, those bikes are just like guns, a way to dick measure and show off. I don’t find it remotely attractive, it’s sad.

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b.d.  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:32:31am

But Al Gore is fat and it snowed early one year somewhere!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:32:50am

re: #385 jaunte

“I think I taught them more about tariffs than I could ever learn…”

This is, of course, insane.

Naah. Since he can learn nothing, anything they learn (from checking his “facts,” jf nothing else) is a gain.

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plansbandc  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:33:31am

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:35:24am

re: #385 jaunte

“I think I taught them more about tariffs than I could ever learn…”

This is, of course, insane.

Insane and stupid.

How the hell can you teach more than you learn/know?

But stupid political comments seem in today.

I watched the Austrian Grand Prix and after that was all finished up, I switched my TV from streaming and it was on NBC from last night.

Just in time to hear David Brody say he talked to Donna Brazil a few weeks ago and they discussed how Trump was able to go into states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and pick the locks on all the open doors.

Really?

Gah…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:38:41am

re: #389 plansbandc

I recognize most of these icons but what is the coat hanger looking one?

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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:39:32am

re: #391 Eclectic Cyborg

I recognize most of these icons but what is the coat hanger looking one?

Abortion.

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:39:46am

re: #391 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s the “let’s not go back to back-alley abortions” symbol.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:40:17am

Thinking about the steel and aluminum tariff, and the Trump threat of an auto import tariff, and how it will affect the price of automobiles. Toyota says that the price of a Camry will be about $1800 more. However, this will increase demand for used cars, and guess what will happen to those prices, too?

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:50:45am

I missed this yesterday.

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:51:47am
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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:53:44am
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mmmirele  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:54:17am

re: #312 Barefoot Grin

I think he was basically doing speedballs.

There’s a book called Blitzed (in English) which is all about the Nazis and their drug consumption. I haven’t read it, but I’ve read articles about it, such as this one from the New Yorker, from last year. It begins as follows:

Norman Ohler is the author of the international best-seller “Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich,” which advances the case that large swaths of the German population, the Nazi Party, and the Wehrmacht used and abused an array of stimulants and narcotics. Chief among them was methamphetamine, in the form of a pill called Pervitin. According to Ohler’s reading of Hitler’s medical records, late in the war the Führer himself was hooked on a proto-speedball that consisted of cocaine and an opiate called Eukodal, administered by his private physician. The book, while delightfully nuts, in a “Gravity’s Rainbow” kind of way, has been praised for its meticulous research. A couple of critics have mistaken it for an apologia, a plea to cut the Nazis some slack, but Ohler said last week, “Nowhere do I say this. This would be a truly disgusting thing to assert.”

newyorker.com

Ohler is not a historian, but his work is meticulous. Apparently the Nazis were drugged-up nutcases.

The drug of choice for all good Nazis.
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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 8:56:59am
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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:01:57am

re: #399 JordanRules

Have I ever told you how awesome you are? If not, shame on me, because you are.

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:02:54am

This is crazy!!

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:06:26am

re: #400 MsJ

Have I ever told you how awesome you are? If not, shame on me, because you are.

Wow!!
That was a lovely little morning biscuit! (still early here in AZ)
Thank you and right backatcha! ;)

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plansbandc  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:06:44am

Every day I despise them just that much more…

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Chrysicat  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:08:09am

re: #401 JordanRules

This is crazy!!

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Yeah, but I can’t shake the feeling if he posted it, there may even be some way in which it would be better for all concerned that the robber isn’t in custody anymore. Unless Furrystoat’s header is sarcasm, he’s not the type of person I particularly trust to give me my news…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:08:35am
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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:10:17am

re: #404 Chrysicat

Yeah, but I can’t shake the feeling if he posted it, there may even be some way in which it would be better for all concerned that the robber isn’t in custody anymore. Unless Furrystoat’s header is sarcasm, he’s not the type of person I particularly trust to give me my news…

Oh shoot, I honestly just posted it for the link to the Telegraph. Let me find their tweet and swap that out.

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stpaulbear  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:10:58am

re: #364 jaunte

“They’re more for their business than they are for the United States.”

= “They’re more for the United States than they are for ME.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:11:34am

re: #403 plansbandc

Every day I despise them just that much more…

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Small government and individual rights.:/

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retired cynic  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:12:31am

Ooo, this would be good as motivation!

“If Democrats take the House back in November, their current ranking member of the Financial Services Committee becomes the chair of the committee, and has the power to subpoena Trump’s bank records.

“That member is Maxine Waters.”

H/T Michael

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:16:04am

re: #403 plansbandc

So if the teachers out the student to the parents and the student starts suffering abuse as a result…could the teachers be held liable?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:18:22am

re: #409 retired cynic

No wonder he is attacking her. She will have the power to destroy him. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:18:29am

morons…all of them…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:20:12am

re: #398 mmmirele

There’s a book called Blitzed (in English) which is all about the Nazis and their drug consumption. I haven’t read it, but I’ve read articles about it, such as this one from the New Yorker, from last year. It begins as follows:

newyorker.com

Ohler is not a historian, but his work is meticulous. Apparently the Nazis were drugged-up nutcases.

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Pervitin is still the Czech word for meth.

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mmmirele  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:20:44am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently it was also in the LA Times as well:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:20:55am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:21:17am

re: #409 retired cynic

Ooo, this would be good as motivation!

“If Democrats take the House back in November, their current ranking member of the Financial Services Committee becomes the chair of the committee, and has the power to subpoena Trump’s bank records.

“That member is Maxine Waters.”

H/T Michael

LOL Trump would go straight out of (what’s left of) his mind.

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:22:14am

re: #391 Eclectic Cyborg

I recognize most of these icons but what is the coat hanger looking one?

I don’t know your age, but I am guessing you were born around or after Roe v. Wade was determined.

If so, it is easy to see why you wouldn’t know the history of that symbol.

And that is a good example of how we can go from bad to good and back to bad again all based on cult thinking and power grabbing by a vocal minority.

We need the majority to step up and be vocal and grab the controls back.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:26:40am

re: #403 plansbandc

Every day I despise them just that much more…

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Then it should be cool for the kids to “out” the teachers having affairs to the respective spouses right?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:27:16am

Just a quick update. Went to the rally in Las Vegas yesterday. Hot as hell, but enjoyed it very much. Met VegasGolfer there! Had to leave after the first hour because the kids were complaining of the heat. Now, I have a houseful of girls still sleeping and I need to get some coffee cake baked.

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:28:31am

re: #403 plansbandc

Every day I despise them just that much more…

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As an Ohioan…I am ready to explode.

We are suffering the same stupidity that brought us Trump. And that is too many not getting out to vote and paying attention to what is going on.

Oh by the way, one of the largest U.S. Gay Pride parades is right here in Columbus. It goes right by the Ohio Statehouse…home of these very same Ohio State legislators.

HELLO!!!

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Chrysicat  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:29:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:30:13am
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mmmirele  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:32:39am

I’ve got some metal coathangers, coated in pink. They’re kind of ratty compared to my more recent coathangers, but I’d kept them because I’d had a feeling they might be needed again.

*scowl*
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:33:53am
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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:36:54am

re: #402 JordanRules

Wow!!
That was a lovely little morning biscuit! (still early here in AZ)
Thank you and right backatcha! ;)

You’re welcome and thank you, too!

I love that you always post informative and thought provoking things. They always make me happy.

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makeitstop  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:38:27am

Man, it’s plenty hot and sticky out here on LI today. I played a gig at a riverside club yesterday afternoon, and today has already surpassed yesterday’s hottest point. One of those ‘move slowly’ days for sure. And I have to go to stupid Guitar Center today and pick up some new sound equipment. Lucky me, humping speaker cabinets around in swampy heat.

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Interesting Times  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:40:57am

re: #381 ObserverArt

If this country is going to be saved it is going to be the mostly silent, thoughtful, middle centrist American that just wants a good life and country.

And that will only show in an election. But, the problem is all the rancor between the far ends discourages the middle.

The Democrats need that middle, so in some ways, being a little less ‘us and them’ might serve the party in the long run.

I honestly don’t think this is true based on the evidence I’m seeing. The real problem is that the debased base will ALWAYS show up to vote GOP, the Dem base is too easily discouraged, and the so-called “centrist” voters may not meaningfully exist (seriously, read this if you haven’t already).

For those few Republicans who truly are disgusted with Cheeto Benito (Ana Navarro, Jennifer Rubin, etc) - they seem to be almost as disgusted by what they perceive as Dem establishment fecklessness (e.g. Jennifer Rubin on Bill Maher last night - she described herself as “center-right” and then said, “Just when I’m finally ready to vote for a Democrat, they turn out to be bunch of wimps.”)

So, moral of the story? It’s not bold idealists like Ocasio-Cortez who put off “centrists.” It’s Democrats who don’t seem to have the courage of their convictions (like the ones who tut-tutted Maxine Waters instead of defending her. The paradox of American culture especially is that even someone who disagrees with your position will respect you a hell of lot more if you full-throat fight for it, as opposed to folding like a cheap lawn chair or being all namby-pamby “nuanced” about it.)

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:41:53am

Really? Russia won?

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Interesting Times  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:42:28am

re: #428 Barefoot Grin

Really? Russia won?

The US election? Yes.

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austin_blue  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:43:08am

Holy shit, Russia just knocked out Spain on PKs.

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plansbandc  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:43:47am

re: #428 Barefoot Grin

Non call on an obvious Russian penalty in the box in the second extra 15. Russia in Russia.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:44:34am

re: #414 mmmirele

Apparently it was also in the LA Times as well:

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Another reason to continue avoiding a subscription to the Lies Angeles Times.

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Chrysicat  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:45:06am

re: #431 plansbandc

Non call on an obvious Russian penalty in the box in the second extra 15. Russia in Russia.

Just tell me the ref swallowing their whistle wasn’t of the US, since the absence of a team means he or she could have been…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:45:32am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:45:50am

re: #431 plansbandc

Non call on an obvious Russian penalty in the box in the second extra 15. Russia in Russia.

True. And the Russian keeper was about a foot off the line for the save. But Spain spent the game passing back and forth around the midfield.

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plansbandc  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:45:52am

re: #433 Chrysicat

Don’t know, but that would be the shit, wouldn’t it?

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plansbandc  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:46:57am

re: #435 Barefoot Grin

Spain played their usual boring ass game and it cost them. The blatant hand ball in the box was inexcusable.

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ipsos  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:48:40am

re: #432 Joe Bacon 🌹

Another reason to continue avoiding a subscription to the Lies Angeles Times.

Hobby Lobby has been buying those full pagers in every paper for years and years. It’s an ad buy. It shouldn’t have anything to do with editorial content at all.

And the new owner of the LA Times seems pretty good so far. Give him a chance?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:49:32am
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plansbandc  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:51:03am

Well the Spain loss certainly helps my team. But my team is notorious for choking in the World Cup. So…

We shall see. Go England!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:51:21am

re: #438 ipsos

Hobby Lobby has been buying those full pagers in every paper for years and years. It’s an ad buy. It shouldn’t have anything to do with editorial content at all.

And the new owner of the LA Times seems pretty good so far. Give him a chance?

No.

He let John “Torture is OK” Yoo post his unrepentant fascist crap on the editorial page.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:51:23am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

He is a very patriotic goose.

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Chrysicat  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:55:18am
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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:57:22am

re: #399 JordanRules

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 9:58:38am
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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:00:04am

Interesting thread.

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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:03:48am
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makeitstop  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:03:48am

re: #443 Chrysicat

Well, they WERE Texan, but Dimebag Darrell played guitar for Rob Halford in 1992, so I think that that may be *another* one they can’t claim.

Phil Anselmo, on the other hand, is definitely in the ‘could be a Nazi’ group. He’s had to ‘apologize’ for throwing Nazi salutes and voicing White Supremacist rhetoric on stage.

Rob Flynn’s response is still one of my favorite Youtube moments.

Racism In Metal

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:04:25am
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Teukka  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:05:54am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:06:40am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

More so-called fuel for DT to demand that the fence be built.

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:07:24am
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Chrysicat  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:07:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:08:05am

re: #451 PhillyPretzel

More so-called fuel for DT to demand that the fence be built.

Boise Police arrested the man accused of stabbing nine people Saturday night, six of them children.

Timmy Kinner, 30, of Los Angeles, was arrested on nine felony charges of aggravated battery and six felony charges of injury to a child. He was booked into the Ada County Jail.

The victims were attacked at a low-income apartment complex on West State Street and Wylie Lane for refugee families. Kinner is not a refugee, police said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:10:06am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:10:57am

re: #454 Backwoods_Sleuth

I realize that. But DT and his team will spin it so that it will be the refugees fault. I see something on the lines of if they did not come here this would not have happened.

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:11:51am
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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:13:26am

And why do the cartels have such power? Americans taste for getting high.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:13:33am

re: #457 jaunte

He is absolutely right. Most of these folks are from Central America not Mexico.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:14:31am

re: #459 PhillyPretzel

He is absolutely right. Most of these folks are from Central America not Mexico.

Mexico, Central American all the same to Trump’s stupid ass.

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:15:57am

re: #427 Interesting Times

I honestly don’t think this is true based on the evidence I’m seeing. The real problem is that the debased base will ALWAYS show up to vote GOP, the Dem base is too easily discouraged, and the so-called “centrist” voters may not meaningfully exist (seriously, read this if you haven’t already).

For those few Republicans who truly are disgusted with Cheeto Benito (Ana Navarro, Jennifer Rubin, etc) - they seem to be almost as disgusted by what they perceive as Dem establishment fecklessness (e.g. Jennifer Rubin on Bill Maher last night - she described herself as “center-right” and then said, “Just when I’m finally ready to vote for a Democrat, they turn out to be bunch of wimps.”)

So, moral of the story? It’s not bold idealists like Ocasio-Cortez who put off “centrists.” It’s Democrats who don’t seem to have the courage of their convictions (like the ones who tut-tutted Maxine Waters instead of defending her. The paradox of American culture especially is that even someone who disagrees with your position will respect you a hell of lot more if you full-throat fight for it, as opposed to folding like a cheap lawn chair or being all namby-pamby “nuanced” about it.)

If you are correct, and if that article is correct then this country is over as we knew it. It is going to be nothing but bouncing from side to side and nothing will get done because there will never be any strong middle group that takes from both sides to please the majority middle…the people that can live with one another.

And that is sort of what my point was. Lose the middle majority to the process and you lose the country.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:22:34am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Apparently Heinrich Himmler’s daughter died. I bring this up because of how we wonder about children shaped by extremist ideology become. She died an unrepentant Nazi.

Gudrun Burwitz, ever-loyal daughter of Nazi mastermind Heinrich Himmler, dies at 88

That’s real commitment to Nazi signaling.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:24:06am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I had a turkey looking in the window at work Thursday. I think they are planning something. The dinosaurs want the world back.

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MomSense  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:25:20am

re: #112 Unshaken Defiance

You are sick. Just stop.

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Interesting Times  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:26:34am

Evangelical values, y’all:

Facebook Post

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:29:47am

re: #464 MomSense

Done. Hours ago. And please, no need for insults.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:30:20am
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JordanRules  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:31:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:33:51am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:34:31am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:35:10am

re: #447 JordanRules

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:36:18am

O_o

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:38:06am

re: #466 Unshaken Defiance

Done. Hours ago. And please, no need for insults.

I sure as hell don’t want to revisit that argument…but did I see an reference link and maybe even the pdf document itself on the findings that you were referencing?

Can you provide that link again. There is something I wanted to check.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:38:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:39:29am

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Isn’t Germany’s Military budget limited by post WWII law?

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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:40:43am

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bolton knows better, too. Trump is a moron but Bolton isn’t (he is a giant asshole, but not a moron).

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:41:37am

re: #473 ObserverArt

I sure as hell don’t want to revisit that argument…but did I see an reference link and maybe even the pdf document itself on the findings that you were referencing?

Can you provide that link again. There is something I wanted to check.

Um, sure.
*Grabs oven mitts* Just a second. *Puts document on counter*
docs.google.com

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:42:15am

Note to southeast Texas:

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:44:21am

re: #476 MsJ

Bolton knows better, too. Trump is a moron but Bolton isn’t (he is a giant asshole, but not a moron).

It seems like Trump’s picks are all in their positions to get their freak on in their own special niche of politics.

Bolton is likely cool with Russia so he can keep Trump pleased. Meanwhile, Bolton will concentrate on his own pet projects…like the Middle East.

He might even to be willing to get assistance from Putin if it helps him against Iran and others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:44:29am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:44:38am

re: #473 ObserverArt

FisAatDbaXK7Bpfd3mdmfuvPqIWTOrVXhJ6BnpGcceK1SGOTaGcpYFscBY+0ukcZ0flPclK8P604dt5gFJHuTy0dvgCyTNmS4m5HMFzspL70MQlKSX+6lQqCkgzNNmCo5Il+CeC6WtDjDxbDDyuBucUo17S/B4bq2o0X2pzH3TfgplUFFoyI2eJumPC3FZZMwfRp3lC6NmE=

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:45:53am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:47:17am
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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:47:36am

re: #477 Unshaken Defiance

Um, sure.
*Grabs oven mitts* Just a second. *Puts document on counter*
docs.google.com

Thanks. I am not going to mention anything further.

All I ever say is policing in this country needs a total overhaul.

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:50:57am

re: #481 Unshaken Defiance

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:51:43am

re: #484 ObserverArt

Thanks. I am not going to mention anything further.

All I ever say is policing in this country needs a total overhaul.

And I agree with you there. Especially now, looking at you ICE agent man. And respects to the guys that quit and spoke out rather than comply.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:52:32am
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Teukka  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:53:13am

re: #484 ObserverArt

Thanks. I am not going to mention anything further.

All I ever say is policing in this country needs a total overhaul.

You could take a look at how it’s done this side of the pond, here in Sweden the training is 3 years long and equivalent of a University degree.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:54:48am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:57:30am

re: #485 ObserverArt

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 1, 2018 • 10:59:44am

Trump warns his critics to “take it easy.”

You first, Mr. Tangerine Man.

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ObserverArt  Jul 1, 2018 • 11:02:03am

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jaunte  Jul 1, 2018 • 11:03:30am
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MsJ  Jul 1, 2018 • 11:05:44am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love how the guy got the entire car under the sun/rain shade. Smart guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 11:06:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 1, 2018 • 11:08:53am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 1, 2018 • 11:09:48am

re: #492 ObserverArt

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