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freetoken  Jul 8, 2018 • 9:45:04pm

A bit of doom and gloom for the overnight:

Oxygen Loss In Coastal Baltic Sea Is ‘Unprecedentedly Severe’

The Baltic Sea is home to some of the world’s largest dead zones, areas of oxygen-starved waters where most marine animals can’t survive. But while parts of this sea have long suffered from low oxygen levels, a new study by a team in Finland and Germany shows that oxygen loss in coastal areas over the past century is unprecedented in the last 1500 years. The research is published in the European Geosciences Union journal Biogeosciences.

According to the researchers, human-induced pollution, from fertilisers and sewage running off the countries surrounding the Baltic into the sea, is the main driver of recent oxygen loss in the region’s coastal waters. The spread of low-oxygen areas can have dire consequences for the environment and for local populations as it can reduce fish yields and even lead to massive mortality of marine animals.

“The Baltic was strongly impacted by human nutrient inputs in the 20th century and is still experiencing the legacy of those inputs today,” said Tom Jilbert, an assistant professor at the University of Helsinki, Finland, who took part in the research. But despite recent measures to reduce the release of polluting nutrients, the researchers write in the new study that they found “no evidence of recovery” from oxygen depletion in the Archipelago Sea, a coastal area between mainland Finland and Sweden that is part of the Baltic.

A reason, they say, may be climate change. Since warm waters are less effective at holding oxygen, “global warming is likely to exacerbate oxygen depletion,” said Sami Jokinen, a researcher at the University of Turku, Finland, and lead-author of the Biogeosciences study. Jilbert added: “Climate change was not the main cause of the current dead zone, but it is an important factor delaying the recovery.”

[…]

See: A 1500-year multiproxy record of coastal hypoxia from the northern Baltic Sea indicates unprecedented deoxygenation over the 20th century

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freetoken  Jul 8, 2018 • 9:55:04pm

Meanwhile, in Brexit-battered UK:

US visit puts police under huge strain

THE Police Federation has warned President Trump’s four-day visit from Friday will put “unquestionable pressure” on forces nationwide.

Fears grow over Donald Trump protest backlash

Fears are growing that huge protests planned to mark Donald Trump’s UK visit on Friday could create a backlash from the US president that further worsens transatlantic relations at a crucial time for Nato.

[…]

So, the UK is afraid that the man-baby is going to get his fee-fees hurt?

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retired cynic  Jul 8, 2018 • 9:55:23pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 8, 2018 • 9:58:38pm

re: #2 freetoken

Meanwhile, in Brexit-battered UK:

US visit puts police under huge strain

Fears grow over Donald Trump protest backlash

So, the UK is afraid that the man-baby is going to get his fee-fees hurt?

Well they can breathe easier now. The moron in chief cancelled the trip.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 8, 2018 • 9:59:55pm

I was hoping against hope if Tweety Amin set foot on British Soil the cuffs would have slapped on him and off to The Hague he would go…

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retired cynic  Jul 8, 2018 • 10:08:08pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

I was hoping against hope if Tweety Amin set foot on British Soil the cuffs would have slapped on him and off to The Hague he would go…

This Congress* might have declared war.

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freetoken  Jul 8, 2018 • 10:12:28pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Well they can breathe easier now. The moron in chief cancelled the trip.

No.

That tweet from downstairs was referencing a January news story.

Tweeters are not so good in fact checking.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2018 • 10:18:17pm

re: #7 freetoken

No.

That tweet from downstairs was referencing a January news story.

Tweeters are not so good in fact checking.

Not only did “koko” not check the date of the story, but obviously didn’t even read the headline talking about the embassy opening.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 8, 2018 • 10:39:38pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 8, 2018 • 10:39:42pm
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austin_blue  Jul 8, 2018 • 10:43:26pm

re: #7 freetoken

No.

That tweet from downstairs was referencing a January news story.

Tweeters are not so good in fact checking.

Correct. He’s going to England, but where he will land and where he will go after he lands is up in the air. If he doesn’t fly into Heathrow or Gatwick, civilian airports, my best guess is Brize Norton which is the only controlled airfield near London that can handle AF1. It is about 40/50 miles WNW of Windsor in Oxfordshire.

The other alternative is Mildenhall, which is way up in East Anglia, my old stomping grounds when I was flying into and out of Europe driving tankers. Way too remote for any kind of road security.

Even Brize Norton will be a security challenge, as there are no motorways nearby. You could take the A40 around Oxford and toward London, or go south to Swindon and pick up the A4. From a security standpoint, neither is ideal.

Best guess is helicopter transport after landing at Brize to wherever he is going next. I don’t expect the SpunkTrumpet to spend a lot of time in ground transportation as the entire population of the UK will fling eggs. So, helo rides w/ darkened windows and soothing music so the poor little snowflake won’t get his feefees hurt.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2018 • 10:54:12pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:05:17pm

Look at them gams

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:08:08pm

re: #11 austin_blue

Correct. He’s going to England, but where he will land and where he will go after he lands is up in the air. If he doesn’t fly into Heathrow or Gatwick, civilian airports, my best guess is Brize Norton which is the only controlled airfield near London that can handle AF1. It is about 40/50 miles WNW of Windsor in Oxfordshire.

The other alternative is Mildenhall, which is way up in East Anglia, my old stomping grounds when I was flying into and out of Europe driving tankers. Way too remote for any kind of road security.

Even Brize Norton will be a security challenge, as there are no motorways nearby. You could take the A40 around Oxford and toward London, or go south to Swindon and pick up the A4. From a security standpoint, neither is ideal.

Best guess is helicopter transport after landing at Brize to wherever he is going next. I don’t expect the SpunkTrumpet to spend a lot of time in ground transportation as the entire population of the UK will fling eggs. So, helo rides w/ darkened windows and soothing music so the poor little snowflake won’t get his feefees hurt.

Stansaid Airport. It’s the only choice.

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austin_blue  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:10:38pm

Stonekettle has a sad. Deservedly. But he’s going to hang in there, because he’s a Mensch, and the majority of the Twitterverse posters aren’t. Trolls and ‘bots, needing to be airlocked. He persists, and Dog bless him for doing so.

This is why I have no presence on Twitter or Facebook. It’s a mug’s game.

:::Stonekettle

I seriously considered deleting my account today.

I didn’t, obviously. And I won’t. But, some days twitter is just such a shit-hole of selfish entitlement that I wonder what the hell I’m doing here.

I’ll write about it eventually. Maybe. But for now, I’m logging off.:::

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:14:05pm

re: #15 austin_blue

If you leave, I’ll miss you.

The internet is the newest thing us humans know of. It’s *very* new. We’re still figuring out how to *use* it as a species. We’re better than a lot of others here at LGF.

If you need to leave, do it. And come back someday? Like I did?

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austin_blue  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:17:00pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Stansaid Airport. It’s the only choice.

Which reminds me of a hilarious song.

Cheap Flights with subtitles

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:18:18pm
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freetoken  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:26:54pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:34:55pm

Trump could surprise the British resister hordes if he goes by sea. A carrier could make it in 4 days, chopper to an LPD in the Channel, from which an LCAC could take the Trumpster and his motorcade up the Thames to the landing ramp closest to the US embassy.

If speed is important, a Minotaur rocket (surplus Minuteman ICBM) could be rigged with a small capsule (suitably equipped with reentry shield, parachute, and Big Macs) and launched on a suborbital trajectory that would deposit its pantload; er, payload; right on the embassy grounds in London. I’m sure 5 days is plenty of time to develop such a thing and perform appropriate safety tests.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:44:32pm

I love Walter. People who fall for it are now considered to be #Waltered. Oh Jebus!!! Visit this Hashtag and pick anyone off the scroll. It’s a @walterowensgrpa generator!

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austin_blue  Jul 8, 2018 • 11:59:35pm

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump could surprise the British resister hordes if he goes by sea. A carrier could make it in 4 days, chopper to an LPD in the Channel, from which an LCAC could take the Trumpster and his motorcade up the Thames to the landing ramp closest to the US embassy.

If speed is important, a Minotaur rocket (surplus Minuteman ICBM) could be rigged with a small capsule (suitably equipped with reentry shield, parachute, and Big Macs) and launched on a suborbital trajectory that would deposit its pantload; er, payload; right on the embassy grounds in London. I’m sure 5 days is plenty of time to develop such a thing and perform appropriate safety tests.

Everything he does is on the fly.

He’s still undecided about who he’ll announce as a new Supreme Court Justice nominee at nine o’clock tomorrow night, changing the course of how the SCOTUS rules for thirty years.

Thirty Fucking Years.

It’s a pattern. At 8:50 on his TV show, he’d listen to the Daughter-He’d-Like-To-Fuck, a Fredo, and some bald guy who represented a TrumpCorp company, who were there to advise Him on which team sucked and why. Then, at 8:56, he’d bring the losing team in and scream at them for 4 minutes and then select one and yell “You’re fired!”.

Why should a SCOTUS nom be any different?

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wheat-dogg  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:10:46am

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I propose Stephen Miller as a test pilot.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:12:32am

re: #22 austin_blue

Everything he does is on the fly.

He’s still undecided about who he’ll announce as a new Supreme Court Justice nominee at nine o’clock tomorrow night, changing the course of how the SCOTUS rules for thirty years.

Thirty Fucking Years.

It’s a pattern. At 8:50 on his TV show, he’d listen to the Daughter-He’d-Like-To-Fuck, a Fredo, and some bald guy who represented a TrumpCorp company, who were there to advise Him on which team sucked and why. Then, at 8:56, he’d bring the losing team in and scream at them for 4 minutes and then select one and yell “You’re fired!”.

Why should a SCOTUS nom be any different?

A chimp throwing darts at a bulletin board could do just as well, if not better.

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austin_blue  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:27:37am

re: #23 wheat-dogg

I propose Stephen Miller as a test pilot.

I think Stephen Miller should be placed immediately below the engine cone with an InstiRead thermometer to determine if the thrust temperature is optimal.

But hey, that’s just me. At least he would be doing something of scientific value.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:30:59am

From the last thread:

My wife wishes to send her best nightmares to pineapple pizza haters…

The Good Stuff!

;)

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:33:37am

re: #26 Odie Hugh Manatee

SO YUM!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:36:08am

re: #21 Dave In Austin

I love Walter. People who fall for it are now considered to be #Waltered. Oh Jebus!!! Visit this Hashtag and pick anyone off the scroll. It’s a @walterowensgrpa generator!

[Embedded content]

I’ve never been a fan of cynical sport trolls like that whose entire existence is centered around yanking well meaning people’s chains and punishing them for giving a fuck. It just seems somewhat mean spirited to bait and then ridicule people who are too earnest to spot a deliberately crafted Poe.

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TedStriker  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:36:29am

re: #24 wheat-dogg

A chimp throwing darts at a bulletin board could do just as well, if not better.

At least the chimp wouldn’t be acting out of deranged malice and a bigly-inflated ego.

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austin_blue  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:41:44am

re: #26 Odie Hugh Manatee

From the last thread:

My wife wishes to send her best nightmares to pineapple pizza haters…

[Embedded content]

;)

Well, that’s it, I’m done.

Of all the horrible shit I’ve seen on the Interwebs today, that has to be the worst!

Kids in Thailand stuck in a cave? Horrible death and destruction in Japanese rains and floods? Monstrous wildfires in the western US?

All awful.

But nothing, NOTHING, could prepare me for the Pineapple Pizza Porn I just witnessed.

Night all, sweet dreams. Tomorrow is going to be another hell in a bucket, topped by a new SCOTUS nom.

Dog help us all. If he picks the Opus Dei woman, I will absolutely lose my shit.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:52:45am
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:53:44am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:05:06am

re: #26 Odie Hugh Manatee

From the last thread:

My wife wishes to send her best nightmares to pineapple pizza haters…

[Embedded content]

;)

I would eat those. I am not a purist.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:09:16am

Who could have predicted?

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Teukka  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:41:23am

re: #34 Single-handed sailor

Who could have predicted?

[Embedded content]

Isn’t that like a constant in government outsourcing of goods and services for decades, quality goes down while price goes up?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:56:08am

Now this here is funny:

Paul Ryan warns that if Dems win, they’ll hold Trump accountable

Damn right we will.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:59:09am

I can’t speak for UK or even the US government. I worked in city government for most of my career and we tried to get and give the most for our buck. We contracted out janitorial services and contemplated contracting out landscape maintenance. One year later facilities looked worse, we kept our landscaping crews. They’ve been through several janitorial services since.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 9, 2018 • 3:00:36am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Now this here is funny:

Paul Ryan warns that if Dems win, they’ll hold Trump accountable

Damn right we will.

One finger points at Trump and 3 fingers point back at them.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 9, 2018 • 3:09:57am

Instagram

goodbye belfast. goodbye arya. goodbye game of thrones. what a joy i’ve had. here’s to the adventures to come #lastwomanstanding #barely #immasleepforthenextfouryears #justkiddingidontsleep

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 9, 2018 • 3:17:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 3:41:30am

re: #1 freetoken

A bit of doom and gloom for the overnight:

Oxygen Loss In Coastal Baltic Sea Is ‘Unprecedentedly Severe’

See: A 1500-year multiproxy record of coastal hypoxia from the northern Baltic Sea indicates unprecedented deoxygenation over the 20th century

The North Sea was experiencing a similar development until the EU started to install measure to reduce runoff. It is still bad but recovering.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 3:44:55am

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump could surprise the British resister hordes if he goes by sea…

He could float over disguised as a giant baby balloon…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 3:46:46am

re: #35 Teukka

Isn’t that like a constant in government outsourcing of goods and services for decades, quality goes down while price goes up?

and employees lose job security, benefits and generally see wages reduced.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 4:19:08am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Now this here is funny:

Paul Ryan warns that if Dems win, they’ll hold Trump accountable

Damn right we will.

Republican lawmakers have effectively told the Republican president that they’ve looked the other way on Trump’s scandals and misdeeds, ignoring their oversight responsibilities and undermining the entire idea of checks and balances, but Democrats won’t.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2018 • 4:56:32am

So I see from downstairs that the Lunatic in Chief had another “rally” the other day, and that it was more delusional and hateful than ever.

“We do without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical, the mouth. And hopefully the brain, attached to the mouth, right? The brain more important than the mouth is the brain. The brain is much more important.” pic.twitter.com

— Charles Johnson

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 4:58:45am

re: #45 Sir John Barron

We do without, like, the musical instruments.

because they cannot get anyone of note to play for them?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2018 • 4:59:18am

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

I was hoping against hope if Tweety Amin set foot on British Soil the cuffs would have slapped on him and off to The Hague he would go…

Upding for Tweety Amin

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:03:15am

re: #30 austin_blue

Well, that’s it, I’m done.

Of all the horrible shit I’ve seen on the Interwebs today, that has to be the worst!

Kids in Thailand stuck in a cave? Horrible death and destruction in Japanese rains and floods? Monstrous wildfires in the western US?

All awful.

But nothing, NOTHING, could prepare me for the Pineapple Pizza Porn I just witnessed.

Night all, sweet dreams. Tomorrow is going to be another hell in a bucket, topped by a new SCOTUS nom.

Dog help us all. If he picks the Opus Dei woman, I will absolutely lose my shit.

I’m kind of hoping he does pick her; there is a slight chance Susan Collins will vote no. Not much of a hope, but that’s about the only chance we have.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:05:32am

re: #30 austin_blue

But nothing, NOTHING, could prepare me for the Pineapple Pizza Porn I just witnessed.

Did I see olives with the pineapple? I am not a fan of pineapple/ham pizza, but I do not find it an abomination. Unless you add olives.

Or anchovies…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:08:54am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did I see olives with the pineapple? I am not a fan of pineapple/ham pizza, but I do not find it an abomination. Unless you add olives.

Or anchovies…

Does anyone ever actually order anchovies on their pizza?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:10:57am

re: #2 freetoken

Meanwhile, in Brexit-battered UK:

US visit puts police under huge strain

Fears grow over Donald Trump protest backlash

So, the UK is afraid that the man-baby is going to get his fee-fees hurt?

Theresa May could be the second PM to be toppled over Brexit, as the Conservatives fail to find an escape from the box they have blundered into.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:11:49am

Seeing reports that 8 boys are now out of the cave.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:13:08am

re: #51 Big Beautiful Door

Theresa May could be the second PM to be toppled over Brexit, as the Conservatives fail to find an escape from the box they have blundered into.

They all deserve to be toppled, what they did was the political equivalent of firing a shotgun at the roots of a saguaro cactus

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451_Montag  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:15:08am

re: #50 Big Beautiful Door

Does anyone ever actually order anchovies on their pizza?

Absolutely always.

Little pockets of salty goodness

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:15:54am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They all deserve to be toppled, what they did was the political equivalent of firing a shotgun at the roots of a saguaro cactus

The pity is that the UK doesn’t have a competently led opposition party fully opposed to Brexit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:18:17am

re: #50 Big Beautiful Door

Does anyone ever actually order anchovies on their pizza?

no anchovies pleaseNo Anchovies Please!!!

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:18:19am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:19:33am

The Iowa Supreme Court declares that the Iowa Constitution protects the right to an abortion, just as women in red states across the nation are on the verge of losing the right to choose.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:23:10am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

Coochie Coochie!

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:23:56am

re: #58 Big Beautiful Door

The Iowa Supreme Court also decided that under Iowa’s constitution that there could be gay marriage in the state.

Because of that ruling, which scholars agreed was an accurate reading of the state constitution, religious conservatives mounted an effort, successful, in removing one of the justices.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:24:14am

re: #58 Big Beautiful Door

The Iowa Supreme Court declares that the Iowa Constitution protects the right to an abortion, just as women in red states across the nation are on the verge of losing the right to choose.

There was a time when abortions were not (fully) legal in Germany but were in the Netherlands and women who had gone to the Netherlands for abortions were being stopped at the border upon returning.

I am expecting things like that to start happening in the USA once the GOP has totally skewered the gains we have made in personal and reproductive rights over the past decades…

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:25:07am

Correction, three of the justices.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:25:19am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They all deserve to be toppled, what they did was the political equivalent of firing a shotgun at the roots of a saguaro cactus

This tweet pretty nicely sums it up:

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:26:02am

re: #51 Big Beautiful Door

Theresa May could be the second PM to be toppled over Brexit, as the Conservatives fail to find an escape from the box they have blundered into.

No one could have predicted….

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:26:51am

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

This tweet pretty nicely sums it up:

BREAKING: The Conservative Party.

Just like with the Trump Train, they got behind something that offered short-term benefits without thinking about how to control it or what the consequences might be farther down the line.

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jeffreyw  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:28:11am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:30:54am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when abortions were not (fully) legal in Germany but were in the Netherlands and women who had gone to the Netherlands for abortions were being stopped at the border upon returning.

I am expecting things like that to start happening in the USA once the GOP has totally skewered the gains we have made in personal and reproductive rights over the past decades…

I have no doubt that once Roe is reversed that some states will make it a felony to cross state lines for the purpose of having an abortion.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:31:12am

Wondered why the weather remained so warm and humid overnight… checked the satellite images and sure enough there is high cloud cover from westward moving storms from the desert:

Yuma still showing rain on their radar.

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Teukka  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:31:48am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:32:33am

re: #62 freetoken

Correction, three of the justices.

I was glad to see that the Iowa Supreme Court, with 4 Justices appointed by a pro-life Governor, had the political courage to make this decision.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:37:28am

re: #70 Big Beautiful Door

They’ll be punished for it.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:41:55am

re: #60 freetoken

The Iowa Supreme Court also decided that under Iowa’s constitution that there could be gay marriage in the state.

Because of that ruling, which scholars agreed was an accurate reading of the state constitution, religious conservatives mounted an effort, successful, in removing one of the justices.

Damn activist judges following the constitution.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:43:09am

re: #71 freetoken

They’ll be punished for it.

And, yet, they did it anyway.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:43:57am

re: #67 Big Beautiful Door

I have no doubt that once Roe is reversed that some states will make it a felony to cross state lines for the purpose of having an abortion.

and set up checkpoints at the state borders just like in The Handmaid’s Tale

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:44:31am

re: #68 freetoken

Wondered why the weather remained so warm and humid overnight… checked the satellite images and sure enough there is high cloud cover from westward moving storms from the desert:

Yuma still showing rain on their radar.

monsoon season in the desert!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:45:00am

re: #48 Big Beautiful Door

I’m kind of hoping he does pick her; there is a slight chance Susan Collins will vote no. Not much of a hope, but that’s about the only chance we have.

Collins is doing her usual shit until Mitch pulls her strings. She will vote yes to put the fifth vote to kill Roe and Marriage equality on the court.

Gosh, what will Stenographer Maggie do when Marriage Equality and Roe are killed by the man who she repeatedly said would be the most “gay-friendly Republican ever”?

Silly me, she’ll continue to kiss Trump’s ass.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:48:05am

re: #69 Teukka

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A rightwinger accused me of being a fascist while he proposed purging academia of leftists , textbook fascism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:49:08am

re: #77 Big Beautiful Door

A rightwinger accused me of being a fascist while he proposed purging academia of leftists , textbook fascism.

“fascist” is another one of those terms that are bandied about with an entirely subjective meaning attached, roughly “something/someone I don’t like”

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:55:53am

ITV puts bluntly:

How effective will Dominic Raab be as Theresa May’s human shield?

Raab is the new Brexit minister.

His job will be to be hated by everyone.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:56:41am

re: #76 Joe Bacon 🌹

I thought this opinion from the NYT had some good points:

Step one: Be realistic.

Trump’s nominee is overwhelmingly likely to be confirmed regardless of what actions Democrats take. Republicans hold the Senate majority, and every Republican senator — yes, including Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski — has a history of voting for judges like those Trump is considering. Collins and Murkowski have a script: They make centrist-sounding statements, to shore up their images, and then vote aye.

So Democrats should go into the confirmation debate recognizing that it is almost certainly unwinnable. It will not depend on how hard Democratic leaders fight or which tactics they choose, alluring as that fantasy may be. In these polarized times, court nominations unite political parties, even more than individual issues, like, say, health care.

Step two: Don’t lose hope.

The Harvard political scientist Theda Skocpol has spent decades studying political power and change, from the Civil War to the Tea Party and anti-Trump resistance. She believes that Kennedy’s retirement can be a clarifying moment for American liberals.

Over the last half-century, conservatives have put more energy into building a movement — creating ideological institutions, grooming judges and, perhaps above all, winning local, state and congressional elections. Democrats have emphasized higher-profile politics, like the presidency and landmark court cases. Democrats can’t afford to do so anymore.

For years to come, the Supreme Court is likely to have a very conservative majority. But remember that the modern conservative movement began when the court seemed implacably liberal, under Chief Justice Earl Warren in the 1950s and ’60s. “Conservatives were facing a Washington complex that horrified them,” Skocpol told me, “so they built from the bottom up.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:58:31am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:59:24am

re: #80 Belafon

I thought this opinion from the NYT had some good points:

Over the last half-century, conservatives have put more energy into building a movement — creating ideological institutions, grooming judges and, perhaps above all, winning local, state and congressional elections. Democrats have emphasized higher-profile politics, like the presidency and landmark court cases. Democrats can’t afford to do so anymore.

They redoubled their efforts after Ronald Reagan threw the fundamenalist Christians off the bus as soon as Nancy’s house astrologer told him the starts were right. They have since insinuated their people into all sorts of positions in government, military, education and other public institutions.

They now have one of their own a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 9, 2018 • 5:59:57am

re: #50 Big Beautiful Door

Does anyone ever actually order anchovies on their pizza?

Yup. It’s hard to find places that offer them, though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:01:10am

re: #83 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yup. It’s hard to find places that offer them, though.

Standard all over Europe. When I first got here, “pepperoni” referred to pickled green chili peppers, only recently have they introduced “Pepperoniwurst” on pizzas.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:03:00am

Trump’s lapdog in the UK did his best to heap fire on May’s proposals:

US ambassador Woody Johnson warns that trade deal is ‘up in the air’ after Chequers plan unveiled

[…]

Ahead of Friday, several Cabinet ministers raised concerns with it on the basis that it might threaten the chances of getting a good deal with the US. Davis was said to be “absolutely livid” with the proposals while foreign secretary Boris Johnson reportedly described the situation as “polishing a turd”.

This morning the US issued its verdict and it appears Brexiters were right to fear the impact.

Woody Johnson, Trump’s ambassador to the UK, told the BBC: “I would say that the bilateral agreement, whether we have one or not, is totally up in the air at this point.”

[…]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:05:37am

re: #85 freetoken

Ahead of Friday, several Cabinet ministers raised concerns with it on the basis that it might threaten the chances of getting a good deal with the US. Davis was said to be “absolutely livid” with the proposals while foreign secretary Boris Johnson reportedly described the situation as “polishing a turd”.

Mythbusters: Can You Polish a Turd?

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:09:08am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Well they can breathe easier now. The moron snowflake in chief cancelled the trip.

Trump will never go anywhere he’s not shown complete adoration.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:10:34am

re: #7 freetoken

No.

That tweet from downstairs was referencing a January news story.

Tweeters are not so good in fact checking.

I am going to hold off on saying yea or nay as to whether Trump actually goes. He is so thin skinned I cannot imagine he will go anywhere there will be the likes of what is going to happen in the UK.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:10:37am

Occasionally I raise examples of theocratic nationalism, not of the western Abrahamic variety, as I think it helps illustrate the basic problem:

Actor-film critic Kathi Mahesh banned from entering Hyderabad for six months

Telugu actor and film critic Kathi Mahesh, who was booked by police for allegedly making statements “disrespecting” Hindu deities, was today externed from Hyderabad for six months, according to the police.

Last month, some members of Hindu organisations in their complaint had accused Mahesh, also a filmmaker, of making derogatory statements and offensive comments against Lord Ram and Sita during a debate on a local news channel.

Based on the complaint, a case was registered against Mahesh under various Indian Penal Code sections, including 295A (Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings), and he was also questioned on July 2, police said.

[…]

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:11:14am

re: #77 Big Beautiful Door

A rightwinger accused me of being a fascist while he proposed purging academia of leftists , textbook fascism.

Since academic leftists are by definition fascists, so purging them is by definition anti-fascist. See?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:11:57am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Well they can breathe easier now. The moron in chief cancelled the trip.

Oh wow hadn’t heard that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:13:47am

re: #85 freetoken

Trump’s lapdog in the UK did his best to heap fire on May’s proposals:

US ambassador Woody Johnson warns that trade deal is ‘up in the air’ after Chequers plan unveiled

Trump is deliberately trying to destroy the EU, and Putin is cackling.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:14:20am

re: #91 Sir John Barron

Oh wow hadn’t heard that.

Keep reading down the thread, they’re referencing an old news story from January.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:14:51am

More from India:

SC refuses to adjourn hearing on pleas challenging re-criminalisation of homosexuality

Just a reminder, that though in the US a lot of press is paid to the problems of this or that minority in small countries, it is in the 2nd most populous nation that there remains a great number of human rights problems.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:14:52am

re: #90 Sir John Barron

Since academic leftists are by definition fascists, so purging them is by definition anti-fascist. See?

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National Socialists, remember?

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:14:53am

re: #92 Big Beautiful Door

Trump is deliberately trying to destroy the EU, and Putin is cackling.

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That was the point of the bilateral trade deals Trump keeps wanting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:16:05am

re: #94 freetoken

More from India:

SC refuses to adjourn hearing on pleas challenging re-criminalisation of homosexuality

Just a reminder, that though in the US a lot of press is paid to the problems of this or that minority in small countries, it is in the 2nd most populous nation that there remains a great number of human rights problems.

Again, we cannot take any of the gains we have maid over recent decades in personal freedoms, women’s, minority or LGBT rights for granted. People are working actively to rescind them.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:18:02am

re: #94 freetoken

More from India:

SC refuses to adjourn hearing on pleas challenging re-criminalisation of homosexuality

Just a reminder, that though in the US a lot of press is paid to the problems of this or that minority in small countries, it is in the 2nd most populous nation that there remains a great number of human rights problems.

Right, China to obviously.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:19:04am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, we cannot take any of the gains we have maid over recent decades in personal freedoms, women’s, minority or LGBT rights for granted. People are working actively to rescind them.

Its happened before, as all of the gains African-Americans made were lost after Reconstruction and they were disenfranchised, terrorized and segregated for nearly another century.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:24:48am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They redoubled their efforts after Ronald Reagan threw the fundamenalist Christians off the bus as soon as Nancy’s house astrologer told him the starts were right. They have since insinuated their people into all sorts of positions in government, military, education and other public institutions.

They now have one of their own a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

It’s not just about how aggressively Conservatives have worked for it; it’s about how Liberals didn’t.

When libs were well-organized and seriously active, we got in 10 years

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
Medicare
Fair Housing, Equal Employment
EPA
OSHA
Title IX
Title X
Affirmative Action
Roe v Wade
End the draft

But once the draft was ended, white middle-class liberals realized that was the only issue that seriously motivated them. And they returned to their individual lives and careers.

Sure, they still held mostly liberal views on most of the same issues… but they didn’t care enough to really exert themselves. Once they knew they weren’t facing the draft, their sons and brothers and nephews and cousins weren’t facing the draft, all the other liberalish issues were just something to opine about over cocktails.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:25:13am

re: #99 Big Beautiful Door

Its happened before, as all of the gains African-Americans made were lost after Reconstruction and they were disenfranchised, terrorized and segregated for nearly another century.

Yep. All it takes is the right amount of control or in that case control and indifference. As much as the GOP loves to harp about their Civil Rights record, they threw black Americans under the bus mostly on a federal executive level after Grant left. Sad to say but as much as I admire Teddy Roosevelt, his record was poor in this regsrd, Harding in fact was better.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:25:52am

re: #100 sagehen

It’s not just about how aggressively Conservatives have worked for it; it’s about how Liberals didn’t.

When libs were well-organized and seriously active, we got in 10 years

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
Medicare
Fair Housing, Equal Employment
EPA
OSHA
Title IX
Title X
Roe v Wade
End the draft

But once the draft was ended, white middle-class liberals realized that was the only issue that seriously motivated them. And they returned to their individual lives and careers.

Sure, they still held mostly liberal views on most of the same issues… but they didn’t care enough to really exert themselves. Once they knew they weren’t facing the draft, theirs sons and brothers and nephews and cousins weren’t facing the draft, all the other liberalish issues were just something to opine about over cocktails.

Well said.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:27:07am

Liberalism needs to reclaim its fighting spirit and if our next standard bearer is a bit rough around the edges, I don’t mind as long as they stand for something and are intelligent.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:28:00am

re: #89 freetoken

In a democracy, you can mock gods and religious figures. India appears to be drifting towards theocracy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:28:10am

re: #100 sagehen

It’s not just about how aggressively Conservatives have worked for it; it’s about how Liberals didn’t.

When libs were well-organized and seriously active, we got in 10 years

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
Medicare
Fair Housing, Equal Employment
EPA
OSHA
Title IX
Title X
Roe v Wade
End the draft

But once the draft was ended, white middle-class liberals realized that was the only issue that seriously motivated them. And they returned to their individual lives and careers.

Sure, they still held mostly liberal views on most of the same issues… but they didn’t care enough to really exert themselves. Once they knew they weren’t facing the draft, theirs sons and brothers and nephews and cousins weren’t facing the draft, all the other liberalish issues were just something to opine about over cocktails.

The upcoming reversal or evisceration of Roe should serve as a serious wakeup call, as the election of Trump appears to have done.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:29:33am

re: #100 sagehen

It’s not just about how aggressively Conservatives have worked for it; it’s about how Liberals didn’t.

When libs were well-organized and seriously active, we got in 10 years

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
Medicare
Fair Housing, Equal Employment
EPA
OSHA
Title IX
Title X
Affirmative Action
Roe v Wade
End the draft

But once the draft was ended, white middle-class liberals realized that was the only issue that seriously motivated them. And they returned to their individual lives and careers.

Sure, they still held mostly liberal views on most of the same issues… but they didn’t care enough to really exert themselves. Once they knew they weren’t facing the draft, theirs sons and brothers and nephews and cousins weren’t facing the draft, all the other liberalish issues were just something to opine about over cocktails.

Most middle class people are/were still racist, they just didn’t like seeing it on TV. It was real easy for conservatives to exploit that once the obvious race based policies were no longer making evening news.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:31:45am

Kentucky AG Andy Beshear has announced he’s running for Governor. As the son of the last Democratic Governor of Kentucky and as the primary thorn in the side of Matt Bevin, he has a lot of name recognition, and Bevin has enraged Kentucky teachers with his pension reform bill, so I’m hoping that Beshear can prove my expectation that I would never see another Democratic Governor of Kentucky false.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:32:49am

re: #106 Belafon

Most middle class people are/were still racist, they just didn’t like seeing it on TV. It was real easy for conservatives to exploit that once the obvious race based policies were no longer making evening news.

The busing issue later too. Sure you could have been disgusted by what you saw in Alabama but thought “those people’s” kids shouldn’t go to school with yours. I think it’s stuff like that allowed for the conservative backlash to happen.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:33:51am

re: #51 Big Beautiful Door

Theresa May could be the second PM to be toppled over Brexit, as the Conservatives fail to find an escape from the box they have blundered into.

May is absolutely incompetent. They know that Brexit was financed by Russia. They know it was all lies by Johnson and Farage and The Sun, et al, but they keep going full on into the oncoming train.

Alas, Jeremy Corbyn is no better.

Their leadership sucks. Bad.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:34:15am

To me, prejudice always takes different forms. Bigotry is something more then just Nazi chants and CSA flags. It’s always been.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:34:55am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Liberalism needs to reclaim its fighting spirit and if our next standard bearer is a bit rough around the edges, I don’t mind as long as they stand for something and are intelligent.

When liberalism had a fighting spirit, its standard bearers were many and varied. It took widespread engagement to make a difference; especially since a pretty high percentage of the standard bearers knew they’d be killed for it, and they were.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:36:16am

re: #111 sagehen

When liberalism had a fighting spirit, its standard bearers were many and varied. It took widespread engagement to make a difference; especially since a pretty high percentage of the standard bearers knew they’d be killed for it, and they were.

Yeah I just got done watching that RFK documentary on Netflix.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:36:25am

Probably old news to you but…I go away for one weekend getaway and miss something this delicious. Shame on me.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:37:07am

re: #109 MsJ

May is absolutely incompetent. They know that Brexit was financed by Russia. They know it was all lies by Johnson and Farage and The Sun, et al, but they keep going full on into the oncoming train.

Alas, Jeremy Corbyn is no better.

Their leadership sucks. Bad.

Its like the British political leadership is composed entirely of upper class twits.

Youtube Video

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:39:03am

re: #113 MsJ

Probably old news to you but…I go away for one weekend getaway and miss something this delicious. Shame on me.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:45:20am

re: #106 Belafon

Most middle class people are/were still racist, they just didn’t like seeing it on TV. It was real easy for conservatives to exploit that once the obvious race based policies were no longer making evening news.

You mean most white people are racist, regardless of their income or level of education. The NRO staff is a perfect example

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:46:14am

The Brexit chaos continues:

Peston’s not always right, so take it with a grain of salt. But if BoJo goes, then May’s position becomes very difficult. Not saying she can’t pull it off, but she’d have something of an uphill battle; she’d have to play her cards to perfection.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:49:00am

re: #116 Hecuba’s daughter

Agree. I was just replying to sagehen’s comment about middle class whites.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:49:24am

re: #113 MsJ

Probably old news to you but…I go away for one weekend getaway and miss something this delicious. Shame on me.

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Somehow I don’t feel any sympathy for them especially people like Bannon and Miller who relish in being vicious. Karma’s a bitch.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:52:04am

re: #115 sagehen

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I love how Miller tossed out his already paid for sushi. I wonder if he smashed his $100 Keurig and tossed out his $250 cooler.

I love how repubs own the libs by doing shit like that. It really cracks me up.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:54:32am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

The Brexit chaos continues:

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Peston’s not always right, so take it with a grain of salt. But if BoJo goes, then May’s position becomes very difficult. Not saying she can’t pull it off, but she’d have something of an uphill battle; she’d have to play her cards to perfection.

May keeps saying “this is what we’re doing and Brussels will have to accept it” with a straight face (like the EU is going to go “oh, ok” - they won’t) and the hardliners want to kill the country completely.

This is an amazing shit show watching a country slit its own throat.

At least here we still have people fighting against Trump. It’s like everyone in the UK is helping make the slice deeper.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:57:44am

re: #121 MsJ

May keeps saying “this is what we’re doing and Brussels will have to accept it” with a straight face (like the EU is going to go “oh, ok” - they won’t) and the hardliners want to kill the country completely.

This is an amazing shit show watching a country slit its own throat.

At least here we still have people fighting against Trump. It’s like everyone in the UK is helping make the slice deeper.

Many of my students simply can’t wrap their heads around it; why would a prosperous nation willfully choose to commit economic suicide?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:58:55am

re: #113 MsJ

One night, after Miller ordered $80 of takeout sushi from a restaurant near his apartment, a bartender followed him into the street and shouted, “Stephen!” When Miller turned around, the bartender raised both middle fingers and cursed at him, according to an account Miller has shared with White House colleagues.

Outraged, Miller threw the sushi away, he later told his colleagues.

Trashing expensive dinner to own the libs. Or, was he worried about the extra flavorings he may find in the food?

How stupid are these people? Yes, you can offer suggestions.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:59:45am

re: #116 Hecuba’s daughter

You mean most white people are racist, regardless of their income or level of education. The NRO staff is a perfect example

Right NRO staff may not wear hoods or use 88 slogans but they have we’re better then you racism that Buckley pushed their magazine from the start.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 6:59:46am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

Many of my students simply can’t wrap their heads around it; why would a prosperous nation willfully choose to commit economic suicide?

Xenophobia

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:01:03am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

Many of my students simply can’t wrap their heads around it; why would a prosperous nation willfully choose to commit economic suicide?

Tell your students that we don’t know we are. And that the fault lies in the economic nationalism in response to globalization.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:01:14am

re: #125 Big Beautiful Door

Xenophobia

Yes.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:03:28am

British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson has resigned.

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:04:59am

re: #128 Dr Lizardo

British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson has resigned.

Holy shit. This is really amazing to watch.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:07:32am

re: #109 MsJ

May is absolutely incompetent. They know that Brexit was financed by Russia. They know it was all lies by Johnson and Farage and The Sun, et al, but they keep going full on into the oncoming train.

Alas, Jeremy Corbyn is no better.

Their leadership sucks. Bad.

I know how they feel.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:07:50am

re: #129 makeitstop

Holy shit. This is really amazing to watch.

Indeed it is. If PM May can survive a leadership challenge over the next few days, I think she’ll be in good shape. Because at this point, there’s really no alternative.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:08:05am

re: #129 makeitstop

Holy shit. This is really amazing to watch.

Now that they think they’ve broken the stop controls, they’re abandoning the train.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:10:57am

re: #123 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Trashing expensive dinner to own the libs. Or, was he worried about the extra flavorings he may find in the food?

How stupid are these people? Yes, you can offer suggestions.

When you have more money than brains (or ethics, morals, empathy, sense).

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:11:48am

re: #128 Dr Lizardo

British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson has resigned.

Because Brexit isn’t hard enough for him or…?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:12:37am

re: #134 MsJ

Because Brexit isn’t hard enough for him or…?

I think he’s gonna try to make a power play against PM May. A leadership challenge.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:14:39am

re: #132 Belafon

Now that they think they’ve broken the stop controls, they’re abandoning the train.

Its a telling moment for people who think that SCOTUS won’t reverse Roe because it would be a political disaster for the GOP. A clean Brexit would be a disaster for the UK, which Trump would definitely not save them from, but the Brexiteers are committed to seeing it through anyway.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:18:30am

re: #135 Dr Lizardo

I think he’s gonna try to make a power play against PM May. A leadership challenge.

Because he really wants to kill the UK economically. Wow.

Do you think he can pull it off?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:19:33am

re: #137 MsJ

Because he really wants to kill the UK economically. Wow.

Do you think he can pull it off?

With enough cover from Russia…probably.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:20:07am

re: #137 MsJ

Because he really wants to kill the UK economically. Wow.

Do you think he can pull it off?

This analysis from The Guardian sums it up pretty well, IMHO.

David Davis’s resignation as Brexit secretary did not trigger an immediate threat to Theresa May’s leadership. He insisted that he wanted her to stay as prime minister and, by lunchtime today, despite numerous Tory Brexiters taking to the airwaves denouncing May’s Brexit plan, we had not heard any calls for her departure. That was because, with most cabinet ministers supporting her, it seemed very likely that May would win a confidence vote hansomely.

Now, though, the Brexiters have got an alternative candidate - assuming Johnson does mount a leadership challenge. Whether he will or not is unclear at this point; as I write, we have not heard any statement from Johnson. And, after the Heathrow expansion vote no-show and Johnson’s decision to back May’s plan at Chequers on Friday after telling cabinet ministers that doing so amounts to “polishing a turd”, Johnson is a diminished figure. But he has wanted to be prime minister since he was a child (or “king of the world”, as he described his goal then) and this is probably he last chance. A challenge does seem very likely.

Could he win? It would be very hard. Only 129 Conservative MPs voted leave - less than half - and even many of those have reservations about the hard Brexit vision set out by Johnson, which the cabinet comprehensively rejected on Friday. Also, amongst colleagues, trust in Johnson is low. Johnson is popular with Conservative party members. But they would only get to vote in a leadership contest if May were to lose a vote of confidence, and May is reportedly keen to fight and win such a contest.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:22:21am

Seems like Brexit is starting to look more like “Lord of the Flies”:

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:25:54am

re: #118 Belafon

Agree. I was just replying to sagehen’s comment about middle class whites.

As sagehen noted, during the decade from the assassination of Kennedy to Watergate there seemed to be real progress on all fronts on domestic issues. But those of us living through that period didn’t fully recognize those accomplishments at the time because our world perspective was overwhelmed by the bloodshed in VietNam, the assassinations of prominent figures, rioting in the streets, the four black girls murdered in the Birmingham bombing, and the three Civil Rights workers murdered in Mississippi. It was a very dark time in our history.

It certainly appears we may have entered another such bleak time.

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:27:25am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Seems like Brexit is starting to look more like “Lord of the Flies”:

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Lock them all up in a room with lots of guns and knives.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:28:46am

re: #100 sagehen

Don’t forget, they also hit that magic age when they wanted families and had to support them.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:31:04am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

Many of my students simply can’t wrap their heads around it; why would a prosperous nation willfully choose to commit economic suicide?

Actually a few simple principles at work (all bad and wrong, IMO, but still in play). I think it boils down, in the end, to a “nationalism vs. globalism” meme, but in the case of Brexit, its main motivators seem to be:

1. Xenophobia (too much regard for “those bloody foreigners”, and too many of them cluttering up British society)
2. Toxic nostalgia (for the Good Old Days of Empire when Britain was a political and economic superpower)
3. Pure opportunistic greed (the notion that Brexit is NOT, in fact, “economic suicide”, but a unique opportunity to create wealth, power and prosperity once free of “oppressive European over-regulation” See, point 1.)

And the fact that the British Government overseeing this momentous
political crisis is a Minority, headed by mediocrities, and (mis-)governing an near-equally-divided polity does not help matters in the least.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:32:27am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Seems like Brexit is starting to look more like “Lord of the Flies”:

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If only Corbyn was any better.

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:33:48am

re: #144 Jay C

Actually a few simple principles at work (all bad and wrong, IMO, but still in play). I think it boils down, in the end to a “nationalism vs. globalism” meme, but in the case of Brexit, its main motivators seem to be:

1. Xenophobia (too much regard for “those bloody foreigners”, and too many of them cluttering up British society)
2. Toxic nostalgia (for the Good Old Days of Empire when Britain was a political and economic superpower)
3. Pure opportunistic greed (the notion that Brexit is NOT, in fact, “economic suicide”, but a unique opportunity to create wealth, power and prosperity once free of “oppressive European over-regulation” See, point 1.)

And the fact that the British Government overseeing this momentous
political crisis is a Minority, headed by mediocrities, and (mis-)governing an near-equally-divided polity does not help matters in the least.

Totally agree.

(I think Mordor was run along the same principles.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:34:17am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Seems like Brexit is starting to look more like “Lord of the Flies”:

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Putin is loving the chaos that he has succeeded in unleashing on the West. Of course, in their time, the British inflicted suffering throughout the world. The British vote for Brexit may have reflected the British desire for a return to their glory days of Empire, when they didn’t have to listen to bureaucrats in Brussels telling them how to operate their economy.

It does appear that democracy and equality are in retreat the world over. Maybe we will escape the nightmare future that this portends; but we can only if we continue fighting — and this fight is exhausting.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:34:47am

I don’t get it.

Dow rises more than 150 points as trade fears dissipate
Link

“The market can surprise you with what it’s focused on,” said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at B. Riley FBR. “Now we’re focused back on fundamentals.”

“If you can take focus away from the trade war, that’s a good thing,” Hogan said.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:35:50am

re: #145 MsJ

If only Corbyn was any better.

Exactly - and frankly, it’s actually hard to say what Labour would do were they the governing party as Corbyn himself, personally, is a long-standing Euroskeptic and very much in favor of leaving the EU, as EU rules and regulations would interfere with his ideas of nationalizing broad swathes of the economy. However, a large segment of the Labour party rank-and-file itself is very much in the Remain camp; add to that the additional conundrum that a not-insignificant chunk of the Labour base wants to leave the EU for the same reasons Corbyn does. Brexit is just as divisive within the Labour party as it is for the Conservative party.

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:35:59am

re: #148 MsJ

I don’t get it.

Dow rises more than 150 points as trade fears dissipate
Link

The markets react in the same fashion as a teenager hitting puberty.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:36:20am

re: #148 MsJ

Almost nothing written in daily headlines about “markets” is to be believed.

The oldest scam in “news” is baseless claims about markets.

For example, on any given day, one can find contradictory claims about gold price movements, from the outlandish to the mundane.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:38:09am

re: #148 MsJ

I don’t get it.

Dow rises more than 150 points as trade fears dissipate
Link

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:42:07am

re: #146 Lupin

Totally agree.

(I think Mordor was run along the same principles.)

Although with a considerably more-efficient management structure.
//

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Alephnaught  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:43:26am

Blimey, this is from the President of European Commission. He appears to be hinting at the possibility of reversing Brexit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:43:45am

re: #148 MsJ

I don’t get it.

Dow rises more than 150 points as trade fears dissipate
Link

Isn’t most “investing” these days just games played by computers with virtually no human insight? Programmed trading of some sort?

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:45:59am

One can hope.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:48:00am

re: #155 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t most “investing” these days just games played by computers with virtually no human insight? Programmed trading of some sort?

There has to be some money behind it. Computers may execute trades but there has to be money somewhere.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:50:29am

Politico. This is from Politico.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:50:53am

Either way both we and the Brits have forfeited a lot of leadership by falling for Putin’s games.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:51:22am

While checking the BBC for news on the latest Brexit fiasco debacle crisis, I found one piece, at least, of good news:

Four more boys rescued from Thai cave by divers

Good. Now just four more and the coach to go….

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:54:53am

re: #160 Jay C

While checking the BBC for news on the latest Brexit fiasco debacle crisis, I found one piece, at least, of good news:

Four more boys rescued from Thai cave by divers

Good. Now just four more and the coach to go….

Do you know if they have brought out the youngest boy?

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:57:39am

re: #153 Jay C

Although with a considerably more-efficient management structure.
//

Not entirely. Boris = Saruman? Farage = Shelob? Missing the good old days of Morgoth?

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:58:06am

re: #154 Alephnaught

Blimey, this is from the President of European Commission. He appears to be hinting at the possibility of reversing Brexit.

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I think he’s just trolling.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2018 • 7:58:21am

re: #158 MsJ

Politico. This is from Politico.

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Interesting timing: “What if Trump has been a Russian agent since 1987”

nymag.com

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:00:47am

re: #161 MsJ

Do you know if they have brought out the youngest boy?

Not according to BBC - they have (apparently as policy) not identified the rescuees. Though they had a screenshot of a list in Thai, so it looks like someone has ID’d them.

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Interesting Times  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:03:21am

If breaking news could engage in a drunken, crazed, and generally ill-advised encounter which subsequently gives birth to the ultimate bastard child:

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:04:39am

Have you guys seen this? Notice the date-
The Hidden History of Trump’s First Trip to Moscow

In 1987, a young real estate developer traveled to the Soviet Union. The KGB almost certainly made the trip happen.

By LUKE HARDING

November 19, 2017

According to files in Prague, declassified in 2016, Czech spies kept a close eye on the couple in Manhattan. (The agents who undertook this task were code-named Al Jarza and Lubos.) They opened letters sent home by Ivana to her father, Milos, an engineer. Milos was never an agent or asset. But he had a functional relationship with the Czech secret police, who would ask him how his daughter was doing abroad and in return permit her visits home. There was periodic surveillance of the Trump family in the United States. And when Ivana and Donald Trump, Jr., visited Milos in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, further spying, or “cover.”

Like with other Eastern Bloc agencies, the Czechs would have shared their intelligence product with their counterparts in Moscow, the KGB. Trump may have been of interest for several reasons. One, his wife came from Eastern Europe. Two—at a time after 1984 when the Kremlin was experimenting with perestroika, or Communist Party reform—Trump had a prominent profile as a real estate developer and tycoon. According to the Czech files, Ivana mentioned her husband’s growing interest in politics. Might Trump at some stage consider a political career?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:04:46am

re: #166 Interesting Times

If breaking news could engage in a drunken, crazed, and generally ill-advised encounter which subsequently gives birth to the ultimate bastard child:

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LOL. But IIRC, Johnson renounced his US citizenship when he became Foreign Minister.

Still……..no one expects the Spanish Inquisition Boris Johnson!

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:06:06am

From The Guardian 25 mins ago:

May is now summarising her Brexit plan.

She says the two models proposed by the EU are unacceptable. She says no prime minister could accept a plan that would separate Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.

And she says keeping the whole of the UK in the single market and customs union would mean accepting free movement, having to follow EU law and having to go on paying huge sums to Europe.

She says if the EU continues on its current course, that could lead to a no deal Brexit.

The hubris and delusional thinking are staggering.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:06:42am

re: #164 Barefoot Grin

Interesting timing: “What if Trump has been a Russian agent since 1987”

nymag.com

I read that yesterday. Kind of amazing.

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:09:23am

I always thought of Trump as a “useful idiot”.

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Alephnaught  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:09:30am

Oh, hints of a fight between Boris’ office and The Prime Minister’s office.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:09:55am

re: #169 Lupin

From The Guardian 25 mins ago:

The hubris and delusional thinking are staggering.

Exactly; I can only imagine these folks hum “Rule Brittania” when they’re taking a whizz or something.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:10:20am

re: #169 Lupin

From The Guardian 25 mins ago:

The hubris and delusional thinking are staggering.

“We’re doing everything we can to leave, but we’re not going to let Northern Ireland to decide its own fate.”

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ipsos  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:11:22am

Hey, wouldn’t it be funny if England won the World Cup and PM May couldn’t be there to celebrate because she’d just lost a vote of no confidence?

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Alephnaught  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:13:02am

re: #174 Belafon

“We’re doing everything we can to leave, but we’re not going to let Northern Ireland to decide its own fate.”

Or Scotland- remember they voted remain as well.

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:14:52am

More from the Commons (via The Guardian):

Labour’s Hilary Benn, the chair of the Brexit committee, asks May to confirm that the transition period will have to be extended because HMRC will need more time to introduce the customs arrangements required by the facilitated customs arrangement.

May replies with a single word: “No.”

I think she’s gone bonkers.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:15:07am

re: #176 Alephnaught

Or Scotland- remember they voted remain as well.

They were the most overwhelming stay. NI had divisions I believe on similar lines to the Troubles. Was happy that Fermanagh where my second grandmother’s parents who funnily enough emigrated to Glasgow where she was born were remain.

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Interesting Times  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:15:24am

If this example of overworked chyron operators frantically trying to keep up with two breaking news stories at once is real and not a photoshop, LOLOLOLOL forever:

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:17:16am

If what is presently happening in the US and the UK was happening in Zimbabwe or Uruguay, our elites would all be shaking their heads saying [insert racist epithet] can’t run a country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:17:52am

re: #176 Alephnaught

Or Scotland- remember they voted remain as well.

One of the reasons they voted against Independence a few years ago was the prospect that it would have left them outside the EU with no guarantee of being accepted as a member.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:20:03am

re: #172 Alephnaught

Oh, hints of a fight between Boris’ office and The Prime Minister’s office.

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For as little as I think of May, I think far, far less of Johnson.

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:20:55am

May’s gone totally bonkers now. She is saying no to a customs union and yet she created a mishmash of plan for something that looks exactly like the customs union. Is there something in the water?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:21:57am

The sun has finally set on The British Empire…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:22:19am

The best case scenario is that they remain de facto members of he EU but lose any ability to vote and shape policy.

Like breaking up with your girlfriend but still having to pick up your socks and put the toilet seat down…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:23:39am

One has to admire Russia; they saw political, educational and informational vulnerabilities in the US and UK and simply exploited existing trends to their advantage. The US and UK are now foundering economically and politically and are in little or no position to interfere with Russia’s own plans.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:24:11am

re: #179 Interesting Times

If this example of overworked chyron operators frantically trying to keep up with two breaking news stories at once is real and not a photoshop, LOLOLOLOL forever:

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When two crisis’s blend seamlessly into one.

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:24:55am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The best case scenario is that they remain de facto members of he EU but lose any ability to vote and shape policy.

Like breaking up with your girlfriend but still having to pick up your socks and put the toilet seat down…

I don’t think so. If history teaches us anything, it is that those things don’t end well. The US and the UK are rushing towards their well-deserved Gotterdammerung.

The sad part is, we”ll all pay for it, too.

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Lupin  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:27:04am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One has to admire Russia; they saw political, educational and informational vulnerabilities in the US and UK and simply exploited existing trends to their advantage. The US and UK are now foundering economically and politically and are in little or no position to interfere with Russia’s own plans.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump wasn’t planning to build a diamond-powered space laser as we speak.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:27:46am

Shit.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:28:22am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:31:12am

re: #158 MsJ

Politico. This is from Politico.

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Heh while I was typing away you beat me to it…

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:31:45am
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:37:03am

re: #191 gocart mozart

And just a week or two ago I saw an article on some trumper going to an eVoting machine company as CEO or other top spot. I cannot find it now but if you google

google.com

the results are pretty stunning. And terrifying.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:38:42am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One has to admire Russia; they saw political, educational and informational vulnerabilities in the US and UK and simply exploited existing trends to their advantage. The US and UK are now foundering economically and politically and are in little or no position to interfere with Russia’s own plans.

You know the old “divide and conquer” method is all the Russians are doing. They are using the U.S. and Brit people’s own divisions for their use. They found great ways to amp up the divides by helping extreme characters or political positions come to the front knowing they would be the ‘bombs” that would blow two powerful countries up.

Old sayings like “Americans stick together through thick and thin” have been made to be the empty chants.

And not a nuke was launched.

We’ve done this all to ourselves. Time for both countries to grow the fuck up…again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:38:55am

re: #194 MsJ

And just a week or two ago I saw an article on some trumper going to an eVoting machine company as CEO or other top spot. I cannot find it now but if you google

google.com

the results are pretty stunning. And terrifying.

Half as scary when the head of Diebold Systems, one of the major companies producing voting machines, said that his job was to “help deliver Ohio to the GOP.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:40:07am

re: #195 ObserverArt

You know the old “divide and conquer” method is all the Russians are doing. They are using the U.S. and Brit people’s own divisions for their use. They found great ways to amp up the divides by helping extreme characters or political positions come to the front knowing they would be the ‘bombs” that would blow two powerful countries up.

We can no longer even agree on comparative crowd sizes in comparable photos, much less agree on principles of government, economic or social policy.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:49:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:49:30am

re: #191 gocart mozart

WHY DO ALL THESE RUSSIANS KEEP HELPING MY CAMPAIGN?

Anton Chekhov describes a corrupt Russian provincial politician of the 19th century who truly believed that those people were not bribing him, they were just giving him money because they admired him and his work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:50:38am

re: #198 gocart mozart

Fun-fact: Calling a white person a cracker isn’t “racism”. It’s a slur. It ain’t racism.

Racism is the systemic abuse of power by a party with greater privilege to oppress or disadvantage a party with lesser privilege

Whatever your private personal opinions about people of other races, it is participation in the systematic abuse of power to deny people their rights that makes you truly racist.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:50:44am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:51:42am

Most likely, if/when Brexit turns into an economic horror show, the Brits will do what they always do: Blame “those damned foreigners!”

Like this:

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:51:51am

Category dilemma-Politics or Crime? We may need a Corruption category.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:56:09am

re: #201 gocart mozart

You could not get me that far back in there if it was desert dry. Nope.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:58:54am
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 8:59:03am

Surprising no one.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:01:01am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:02:14am

re: #172 Alephnaught

Oh, hints of a fight between Boris’ office and The Prime Minister’s office.

Bring me all the popcorns.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:03:04am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:03:09am

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

PLEASE DISPERSE NOTHING TO SEE HERE EVERYTHING IS FINE

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:03:14am

And while we’re all busy looking over there

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:03:38am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:05:26am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Seems like Brexit is starting to look more like “Lord of the Flies”:

No meltdown not meltdown you’re the meltdown

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:07:00am

re: #209 gocart mozart

I am not sure what the issue is there. That tube has been discussed for the youngest boy for days. They do not think he will have the discipline to make it out without panicking. Music makes perfect sense to me. Well, that or drugs. He is the one I am most worried about.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:07:46am

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

STRONG AND STABLE

LOLOL

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Kilroy was here  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:09:56am

Imagining Kevin Bacon with an English accent..

Animal House - All Is Well!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:10:31am

re: #212 MsJ

In response to my piece above, a Trump supporter writes to me and *admits Trump’s trade war is screwing his business,* but he still backs Trump, because Own The Libs:

They are convinced that opposing Trump means we want to open our borders and let MS-13 gangs run amok in our cities and rape our daughters.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:11:05am

I hate these fucking people.

And this is exactly what I think. Shame and shun them always, all day, every day.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:11:39am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are convinced that opposing Trump means we want to open our borders and let MS-13 gangs run amok in our cities and rape our daughters.

And I have no idea how to unbrainwash them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:11:55am

Hopefully they’ll have them all out before Musk’s claustrophobia/lifetime of nightmares pod arrives.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:12:17am

And. Here. We. Go. (maybe)

The 1922 Committee is basically the Tories’ central committee, for lack of a better term.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:14:20am

re: #218 MsJ

‘It’s burning people out’: Trump aides whine about ‘viciousness’ of private citizens cursing them out in public

Freedom of Speech does not entail freedom from taking responsibility for what you say and do.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:15:27am
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:15:54am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hopefully they’ll have them all out before Musk’s claustrophobia/lifetime of nightmares pod arrives.

As compared to drowning or suffocating?

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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:22:37am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:22:46am

re: #179 Interesting Times

If this example of overworked chyron operators frantically trying to keep up with two breaking news stories at once is real and not a photoshop, LOLOLOLOL forever:

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Our fake president would be calling them “shit holes”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:25:34am

he is such a moron

also, TONIGHT at 9 PM
(just in case you thought that PM means morning…)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:27:12am

re: #218 MsJ

I hate these fucking people.

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Frankly I don’t give a damn. No one forced them to work for Trump and implement his bad policies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:27:24am

Andy’s running mate is Jacqueline Coleman, a teacher, basketball coach and current assistant principal at Nelson County High School.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:28:19am
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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:28:58am

A good Tim Wise column in Medium: White Pride is for Losers.

He kicks it off with a near-overdose of snark…

This is for the guy who wrote to me this morning to tell me about the sheer awesomeness of white people, and for all the other white folks who have done so over the years.

All of your messages are dear to me, but none more so than the one today, which read simply:

“I’m very proud of being a white male, and I don’t care what you say! White people are the BEST!”

Personally, I think it’s the way you capitalized the word ‘best’ that really sold it.

I mean, had you kept the caps lock off I might have doubted your claim for racial superiority, but since you insisted upon it with a more muscular font (not to mention the compelling exclamation point), who but the most cynical could take issue?

Surely we can all recall how the world’s top scholars, scientists, mathematicians, surgeons, and artists regularly proclaim to the world how their racial group membership — presumably encoded in their ancestral lineage — is due all the credit for their accomplishments.

Every year, when the Nobel prizes are awarded, there’s the predictable stream of winners giving thanks to the haplotype clusters found in their DNA, or smugly mumbling that of course they won: after all, their 17th great-grandfather was the Count of something-or-other, or the Duke of this other thing, or at least from the same continent as those guys, and once upon a time read Chaucer, so what would you expect?

All kidding aside, and having now exhausted as much snark as is probably allowed before lunchtime, your e-mail is almost certainly the best evidence I have yet seen — seriously, the BEST! — that those who proclaim white racial superiority and pride are among the world’s most likely washouts, and the least self-aware.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:29:58am

re: #212 MsJ

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SRSLY. 2018 politics in a nutshell. A business owner admitting that the Trump Administration’s policies are going to seriously hurt his business financially, and probably cause serious economic damage across the whole country and the whole economy: but will still support the Moron-in-Chief because his perception of the alternative Opposition is based on a mashup of cheapjack stereotypes and prejudices. Swell.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:31:01am

re: #184 Joe Bacon 🌹

The sun has finally set on The British Empire…

But, the sun wasn’t meant to go completely out for them…

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geosherman  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:33:31am

Great read on recycling of plastics from the Scientific American:

The only thing worse than being lied to is not knowing you’re being lied to. It’s true that plastic pollution is a huge problem, of planetary proportions. And it’s true we could all do more to reduce our plastic footprint. The lie is that blame for the plastic problem is wasteful consumers and that changing our individual habits will fix it.

blogs.scientificamerican.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:33:46am

re: #232 Jay C

SRSLY. 2018 politics in a nutshell. A business owner admitting that the Trump Administration’s policies are going to seriously hurt his business financially, and probably cause serious economic damage across the whole country and the whole economy: but will still support the Moron-in-Chief because his perception of the alternative Opposition is based on a mashup of cheapjack stereotypes and prejudices. Swell.

And that’s the problem: These people will still vote for the worst Republican over the best Democrat every damned time. You can do no wrong as long as you have an R beside your name.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:35:28am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:36:43am

Tab Hunter has passed away at the age of 86. RIP.

Tab Hunter, a former on-screen heartthrob and a gay icon, has died. He was 86. The news was announced on a Facebook page associated with the actor, but a cause of death was not included. … With his All-American good looks, wavy blonde hair, piercing blue eyes, and toothy smile, Hunter rose to the top ranks of Hollywood leading men in the 1950’s and early ‘60’s. He appeared in the likes of “Damn Yankees” and “Battle Cry,”and had chart-topping records such as “Young Love.” But at the height of his popularity he was dogged by rumors that he was gay, a potentially career-ending rumor during that culturally conservative era. At one point, he was “outed” by the gossip rag, Confidential.

Hunter fell out of favor as the 1960’s continued and a new breed of stars such as Dustin Hoffman and Al Pacino, actors who were often less corn-fed and polished, entered the mainstream. As tastes changed, Hunter did summer stock and dinner theater, as well as appeared in spaghetti westerns.

He was rediscovered in middle age, however. Hunter was cast opposite Divine in “Polyester,” a low-budget John Waters comedy that gleefully sent up everything from alcoholism to foot festishism. The film helped introduce Hunter to a younger audience, some of whom were unfamiliar with his pin-up past.

Hunter came out as gay in 2005 with the publication of his autobiography Tab Hunter Confidential: The Making of a Movie Star. In it, he wrote about studio publicity arms efforts to mask his homosexuality by linking him with co-stars and friends such as Debbie Reynolds and Natalie Wood. That book inspired a 2015 documentary by Jeffrey Schwarz, also called “Tab Hunter Confidential.” …. Despite being publicly closeted for much of his life, Hunter had relationships with “Psycho” star Anthony Perkins and figure skater Ronnie Robertson. Producer Allan Glaser was his partner for more than three decades.

variety.com

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austin_blue  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:36:57am

re: #50 Big Beautiful Door

Does anyone ever actually order anchovies on their pizza?

Yup. Little salty hairy fish. Yum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:37:10am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:37:44am

re: #224 Belafon

As compared to drowning or suffocating?

As they have already extracted 8 of the 13 people trapped it seems there are obviously other options than the use of Musk’s publicity pod and drowning or suffocating

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:43:37am

O_o

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:44:08am

re: #234 geosherman

The only thing worse than being lied to is not knowing you’re being lied to. It’s true that plastic pollution is a huge problem, of planetary proportions. And it’s true we could all do more to reduce our plastic footprint. The lie is that blame for the plastic problem is wasteful consumers and that changing our individual habits will fix it.

It is a matter of bad economics: if the price of plastic products truly reflected the total costs involved, including downstream cleanup costs, then we would have found alternatives for a lot of it by now.

As it is, the profits are privatized and costs are socialized.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:44:25am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

I regret that BBC doesn’t mean what it used to mean.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:44:53am

re: #214 MsJ

I am not sure what the issue is there. That tube has been discussed for the youngest boy for days. They do not think he will have the discipline to make it out without panicking. Music makes perfect sense to me. Well, that or drugs. He is the one I am most worried about.

It can be hard for some people to think of what it would be like to be in that situation at that young of an age.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:45:14am

LOL, what a circus

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:45:27am

re: #243 Shropshire Slasher

I regret that BBC doesn’t mean what it used to mean.

Radio?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:46:02am

re: #243 Shropshire Slasher

I regret that BBC doesn’t mean what it used to mean.

Quality and objectivity?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:46:44am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:47:10am

re: #246 wrenchwench

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am giving you lots of love.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:47:44am

re: #243 Shropshire Slasher

I regret that BBC doesn’t mean what it used to mean.

I’m having trouble thinking that a male BBC reporter from, say, the 1960s, would have addressed the stay at home comment any differently.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:50:24am

re: #249 Shropshire Slasher

I am giving you lots of love.

lol?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:50:42am

re: #249 Shropshire Slasher

I am giving you lots of love.

There was a time when I could count on the BBC to deliver good TV/radio programming and fairly balanced & objective news…that was long, long ago.

I still read the BBC news site just to get an alternative viewpoint, but do not weigh it much above all other news sources

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:53:03am

oh, well, then…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:54:35am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump SCOTUS team has looked at Kavanaugh’s past comments on indicting a sitting president, we’ve confirmed. In 2009, Kavanaugh wrote: “The indictment and trial of a sitting President, moreover, would cripple the federal government…”

whereas allowing a criminal President to remain in office would be just fine…

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:55:45am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, well, then…

I will have to think more about it, but I kind of agree. If we reach the point where a president needs to be indicted, he’s reached the “high crimes and misdemeanors” stage of his presidency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:56:20am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whereas allowing a criminal President to remain in office would be just fine…

personally, I’m failing to seeing a downside to “The indictment and trial of a sitting President, moreover, would cripple the federal government…”

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:56:28am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whereas allowing a criminal President to remain in office would be just fine…

Indicting a president for a crime would not remove him.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:57:06am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

personally, I’m failing to seeing a downside to “The indictment and trial of a sitting President, moreover, would cripple the federal government…”

Yeah, even though I posted the other comments, I wasn’t seeing a downside to this either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 9:59:06am
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:02:20am

So, in summary:
1. I’d rather see a president impeached first and then indicted.
2. But, if he’s indicated, his control over the government needs to be weakened.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:02:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:03:01am

re: #257 Belafon

Indicting a president for a crime would not remove him.

If the GOP majority in Congress chose to, they could indict Trump on the most blatant conflicts of interest and egregious violations of the Emoluments Clause, with a heaping of Obstruction of Justice on the side.

They do not need Mueller, and when his report comes out, they will do their damnedest to explain why they refuse to act on its findings while still insisting that they are not in any degree complicit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:04:45am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:06:08am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Pentagon makes it official: military parade in nation’s capital moved up a day to Saturday, Nov. 10. Had previously been scheduled for Veteran’s Day on Sunday Nov. 11, 2018

Did they give any particular reason?

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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:07:50am

AT&T wants to overhaul HBO, says it isn’t profitable enough

“We need hours a day,” Mr. Stankey said, referring to the time viewers spend watching HBO programs. “It’s not hours a week, and it’s not hours a month. We need hours a day. You are competing with devices that sit in people’s hands that capture their attention every 15 minutes.”

Continuing the theme, he added: “I want more hours of engagement. Why are more hours of engagement important? Because you get more data and information about a customer that then allows you to do things like monetize through alternate models of advertising as well as subscriptions, which I think is very important to play in tomorrow’s world.”

More shit, less quality = more money for us.

Good luck with that AT&T.

arstechnica.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:08:59am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did they give any particular reason?

Maybe there’s some DC restriction on parades on a Sunday?
I don’t know

Maybe he’s got a golf event set for Sunday Nov 11th??
You know, “for the troops”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:12:19am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:14:21am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, well, then…

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If a sitting president has committed crimes, he shouldn’t be immune from trial and prosecution.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:15:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:19:17am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Just shut up already. Is all you do is complain or jack yourself off? Get off Twitter for once, you miserable old fiend.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:19:20am

re: #265 Winston_Smith

AT&T wants to overhaul HBO, says it isn’t profitable enough

More shit, less quality = more money for us.

Good luck with that AT&T.

arstechnica.com

It’s kind of obvious this guy doesn’t watch much on mobile devices. Heck, even at home, my family and I watch just about everything in 30 minute chunks. We’re about half way through It right now.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:20:08am
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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:20:41am

re: #265 Winston_Smith

AT&T wants to overhaul HBO, says it isn’t profitable enough

More shit, less quality = more money for us.

Good luck with that AT&T.

arstechnica.com

With the problems I’ve had lately with ATT…I’d just like to drop a nuke and be done with them.

This monetize data bullshit is the problem. From Facebook on down…all they want is data to sell more stuff, or to put us in groups to politicize us too.

How about decent products that sell themselves because they work and you keep our data out of it.

My, what a concept.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:20:54am

Sorry, this is the one I meant to post:

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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:20:54am
The Internet is a wonderful invention that has impacted the world in tremendously positive ways. But alongside all the assorted varieties of porn, there’s also a lot of angry guys posting bigoted screeds on social media.

[San Bernardino County] Deputy District Attorney Michael Selyem, who joined the D.A.’s Office 12 years ago, targeted outspoken U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, former first lady Michelle Obama, Mexican immigrants and the victim of a police shooting in Facebook and Instagram posts labeled by one critic as “hateful rhetoric.”

Of Waters, Selyem said: “Being a loud-mouthed c#nt in the ghetto you would think someone would have shot this bitch by now …”

In an online argument with someone over the police shooting of a civilian, Selyem wrote, “That s—bag got exactly what he deserved. … You reap what you sow. And by the way go f— yourself you liberal s—bag.”

It was unclear which police shooting Selyem was referencing, and whether or not it was an open case in San Bernardino County or had occurred elsewhere.

Selyem also posted a doctored picture of Michelle Obama holding a sign saying, “Trump grabbed my penis.”

You’ll recall how the media and politicians freaked out when Samantha Bee invented the word “cunt” earlier this year and unleashed it on an unsuspecting civil populace. Selyem is just the latest copycat to use the word to disparage a woman after Bee popularized its use. Thanks, Samantha!

wonkette.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:23:14am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:23:17am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whereas allowing a criminal President to remain in office would be just fine…

He forgets the part about no one being above the law. And how the government does just fine when/if the President is suddenly the former VP getting sworn in or merely stepping up while the President is in surgery etc. Oh and how equal protection under the law protects us from a capricious administration that breaks the law.

You what would really be crippling to the government, might even endanger long standing allied relationships? A President deeply compromised by foreign criminal activity. His own history or someone else. Good thing that never happened *cough*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:24:21am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

In many parts of the world infant formula is dangerous because mothers don’t have access to clean water to mix it with. Breast feeding more sanitary while formula can lead to fatal dysentery

and once they start using it, they are compelled to continue. this is not just the case of a simple commodity, it is a health issue

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:24:33am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:25:57am

re: #232 Jay C

SRSLY. 2018 politics in a nutshell. A business owner admitting that the Trump Administration’s policies are going to seriously hurt his business financially, and probably cause serious economic damage across the whole country and the whole economy: but will still support the Moron-in-Chief because his perception of the alternative Opposition is based on a mashup of cheapjack stereotypes and prejudices. Swell.

I was in MI some months before the election. I had a flat tire and a very nice couple helped me with it. It turned out to be a big deal as the jack broke when we went to use it so getting the car up to take the tire off to put the little temp tire on was a nightmare and the guy had to go to his shop to get a lift. Thankfully he had one because, of course, it was like 7:00 pm on a Sunday night in the middle of fucking nowhere. I used the GPS to find backroads to come back since we were about 80 miles from the border…we wound up driving down unpaved roads for part of this journey..

Anyway, the entire time we heard how much the US needed trump. Like we (with Canadian plates on the car) could do anything. Of course we both shut up because, hey, we were in the middle of nowhere and they were both kind and helpful, but Deliverance kept playing through both of our minds (we discussed it after we were on our way).

The guy owns a small business and every day I wonder if he has been injured by trump and his policies. I think about them often and wonder how they are doing.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:28:52am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Illinois has shitty options all the way around. GAH. My poor home state.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:31:45am

re: #280 MsJ

Anyway, the entire time we heard how much the US needed trump. Like we (with Canadian plates on the car) could do anything. Of course we both shut up because, hey, we were in the middle of nowhere and they were both kind and helpful, but Deliverance kept playing through both of our minds (we discussed it after we were on our way).

The guy owns a small business and every day I wonder if he has been injured by trump and his policies. I think about them often and wonder how they are doing.

The Trump campaign knew exactly where to concentrate their efforts to win the four Rust Belt states they needed to give them an Electoral College majority.

Michael Moore pointed that out as early as July of 2016, but i ignored his message, but he was spot on. It was simple mathematics: all Trump had to do was carry the states the GOP won in 2012 plus MI, WI, PA and OH and he had the numbers he needed. He did not even need to win Florida.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:35:28am

re: #276 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Kenneth P. Vogel ✔
@kenvogel
MAR-A-LAGO PERK: People who paid $200k/year to be members of the TRUMP resort appear to have been invited on private tours of Air Force One, reports @tparti, who has done stellar reporting on blurring of the line between the Trump Org property & the WH. buzzfeed.com

Anyone remember all the outrage of the Clinton’s inviting people to guest at the White House and stay in the Lincoln bedroom?

Ahhh, those were the times.

And just for review…here is a link to Wiki on: Lincoln Bedroom for contributors controversy

And there I found:

Responses
In response to the allegations, President Clinton said in February 1997, “I did not have any strangers here. The Lincoln Bedroom was never sold. That was one more false story we have had to endure, and the facts will show what the truth is.”[2]

Senator John McCain was not convinced, saying of the documents, “It does corroborate what we already suspected and what circumstantially was already known to us, and that is, that the president of the United States, in seeking to raise money for his re-election, was willing to use the Lincoln Bedroom, probably one of the more sacrosanct places in America, in order to gain those financial funds which he felt were necessary. And I’m deeply disappointed and I’m sure the American people will be too.”[2]

Investigations or not
Fellow Republican and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott called for the naming of an Independent Counsel to investigate the matter.[2] However U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno said despite the new revelations such a step was not called for.[8]

The matter became looked into by a probe by Congressional Republicans on the into fundraising matters at the White House.[5] This investigation concluded that the overnights were “an important means by which the DNC raised funds from contributors.”[5] It may have been one issued on November 5, 1998 by the United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Making reference to legal proceedings, Spencer Overton, as a lawyer at Debevoise & Plimpton, represented the Democratic National Committee in the Lincoln Bedroom matter before the Congressional investigators.

No charges were ever brought by the U.S. Department of Justice in connection with the matter. In the words of the Sydney Morning Herald, the bedroom practice was “Unseemly, but not illegal and not entirely unusual.”[9]

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:36:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:39:47am

re: #284 MsJ

And as we’ve both said privately and publicly, the time to indict was also before the election..

We allowed Trump to take office without forcing him to divest himself of all his potential conflicts of interest and existing violations of the Emoluments Clause (a Post office renting space on his property for starters).

And he has violated those repeatedly and blatantly without any fear of consequences from a GOP-controlled Congress.

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stpaulbear  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:40:41am

re: #234 geosherman

Great read on recycling of plastics from the Scientific American:

blogs.scientificamerican.com

This morning, the DJ on my morning radio station was reading the story about Starbucks’ announcment that they’ll discontinue plastic straws by the year 2020. He added an aside about how that was a good idea, but why would it take until 2020 to stop. Couldn’t they do it today? It sounds like they intend to redesign their entire delivery system before they’re willing to stop providing plastic straws.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:41:20am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:41:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:43:13am

re: #286 stpaulbear

This morning, the DJ on my morning radio station was reading the story about Starbucks’ announcment that they’ll discontinue plastic straws by the year 2020. He added an aside about how that was a good idea, but why would it take until 2020 to stop. Couldn’t they do it today? It sounds like they intend to redesign their entire delivery system before they’re willing to stop providing plastic straws.

again, the true cost of plastic is not reflected in its price…the downstream disposal costs are fully “socialized”. It will take some sort of market regulation to force manufacturers to include those costs directly. That will immediately lead a lot of consumers to rethink their choices.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:43:23am

re: #285 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We allowed Trump to take office without forcing him to divest himself of all his potential conflicts of interest and existing violations of the Emoluments Clause (a Post office renting space on his property for starters).

And he has violated those repeatedly and blatantly without any fear of consequences from a GOP-controlled Congress.

Who is this ‘we’ you speak of?

I don’t think I wanted this to happen…or you…or just about everyone here at LGF.

‘They’ is who allowed it. Part of the split in this country. Rules used to be for all. Now it is rather clear there are different rules for us and them…or we and they.

: )

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:44:17am

re: #290 ObserverArt

Who is this ‘we’ you speak of?

I don’t think I wanted this to happen…or you…or just about everyone here at LGF.

‘They’ is who allowed it. Part of the split in this country. Rules used to be for all. Now it is rather clear there are different rules for us and them…or we and they.

: )

They, then. as in the Government of the United States.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:47:23am

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They, then. as in the Government of the United States.

Just having fun with this.

So, about the Government of the U.S. are they not supposed to be the ones backing up the rules, or are they the ones that apply the rules differently to different groups?

I sure know what it looks like. Us and them be different rules for each.

Democratic Republic? Not looking that way so much…

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:47:54am

Any bets they can make THIS deadline?

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:48:05am
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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:48:24am

re: #286 stpaulbear

This morning, the DJ on my morning radio station was reading the story about Starbucks’ announcment that they’ll discontinue plastic straws by the year 2020. He added an aside about how that was a good idea, but why would it take until 2020 to stop. Couldn’t they do it today? It sounds like they intend to redesign their entire delivery system before they’re willing to stop providing plastic straws.

They have a warehouse full of bulk-purchase plastic straws they need to send to the ocean before they’re done with them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:52:38am

re: #293 jaunte

Judge is ordering the Trump admin to file an update at 6pm tonight about how many families w/ kids younger than 5 they will be able to reunite by tomorrow’s deadline and the reasons for failing to reunite the rest. The @ACLU and the Trump admin will be back in court tmw.

I want to see a group of kids showing up at every Trump and GOP rally and campaign event equal in number to the ones still missing. Let them wear this albatross around their neck.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:53:59am

The only thing NK promised was to “work toward” denuclearization. That can mean anything.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:54:49am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So Trump thinks that women who are malnourished should buy formula for their babies, rather than spending the money on food for themselves so they could produce their own milk?
Why do I think Don didn’t allow his wives to breastfeed with the breasts he bought and paid for?

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:55:27am

re: #290 ObserverArt

Who is this ‘we’ you speak of?

I don’t think I wanted this to happen…or you…or just about everyone here at LGF.

‘They’ is who allowed it. Part of the split in this country. Rules used to be for all. Now it is rather clear there are different rules for us and them…or we and they.

: )

Anytime I post about the child separation policy on Facebook, I preface it with “Look at what we’re doing.” Especially for people barely paying attention, they need to be reminded that it’s being done in our name and that we are ultimately responsible. Everyone knows I didn’t want this.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:56:51am

Looks like PM May has pulled it off, for the time being at least.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:57:36am
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:59:34am

re: #300 Dr Lizardo

What did she pull off exactly?

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austin_blue  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:59:38am

re: #295 wrenchwench

They have a warehouse full of bulk-purchase plastic straws they need to send to the ocean before they’re done with them.

Ouch!

But likely true.

Meanwhile, The Guardian its running a “Minute by Minute” style commentary on English Politics. Kinda like a football match:

theguardian.com

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2018 • 10:59:57am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Does “bittersweet” not mean what I think it does? That sounds like a total reproductive failure, which lacks the sweet to go with the bitter.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:01:24am

re: #304 calochortus

Does “bittersweet” not mean what I think it does? That sounds like a total reproductive failure, which lacks the sweet to go with the bitter.

Think of the rats!

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:01:34am

Fighting misdemeanors by committing felonies.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:02:00am

re: #305 wrenchwench

Think of the rats!

Yay, rodents!

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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:02:08am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So he’s out hunting ducks?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:02:39am

re: #305 wrenchwench

Think of the rats!

There are good animals on both sides.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:02:47am

re: #302 Belafon

What did she pull off exactly?

Not getting a leadership challenge against her, it seems. She seems to have secured her position against the hardcore Brexiteers who were seeking to stage a party putsch against her.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:03:50am

re: #306 jaunte

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Fighting misdemeanors by committing felonies.

A common conviction resulting in deportation is identity theft by an immigrant using fake ID to land a job. Irony bites.

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austin_blue  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:04:09am

re: #310 Dr Lizardo

Not getting a leadership challenge against her, it seems. She seems to have secured her position against the hardcore Brexiteers who were seeking to stage a party putsch against her.

Well, so far, anyway. Did you read Boris’s letter? He’s going to come at her hammer and tongs.

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KingKenrod  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:08:26am

re: #288 Charles Johnson

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Vogel felt the need to correct your 100% accurate reporting, what a fuckwit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:11:28am

FFS, now Nigel Farage is making noises.

Nigel Farage says he will seek to return to his former position as the leader of UKIP “if Article 50 is suspended or delayed”. In an article for the Daily Telegraph, he writes:

“In March 2019, the current leader of UKIP, Gerard Batten, will reach the end of his term in office. Unless Brexit is back on track by then, I will have to seriously consider putting my name forward to return as UKIP leader.”

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:11:38am

“…Phoenix residents have tracked down the building and taken action. One filed a complaint with the state about MVM running an unlicensed childcare facility. Others have left collections of toys, a large dollhouse, and messages for the kids outside of the building.

State and local officials plan to hold a news conference in front of the building today to demand answers and actions from the Trump administration and the (Republican) governor of Arizona. A city councilwoman has requested the city to ascertain which municipal codes and ordinances have been violated by MVM and ICE.”

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:12:03am
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Jenner7  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:12:04am

Four days before vacation and my 6 month old brand new washer dies.

But good news! I’ve lost 25 pounds in two months.

I can’t wait to see the ocean and feel the sand between my toes.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:13:45am

It’s pouring down rain. The water in the gutters has lost its muddiness. The dust has been washed off. Monsoon season is here.

I saw a deer yesterday when I was out for my ‘run’. It slipped through a wire fence as I approached. I thought I could tell exactly where it went through by finding a little hair on the fence. Nope. It was unbarbed wire. Even our ranchers are excessively nice.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:13:51am

re: #297 Barefoot Grin

The only thing NK promised was to “work toward” denuclearization. That can mean anything.

You would think Trump would be able to understand another cons con.

I guess not, thus making him even more stupid than originally thought.

It’s bad when a known bullshitter is too dense to understand when he is being bullshitted.

I think Trump is breaking new territory for stupidity. And that covers his damn base of followers too.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:17:23am

“…Unlike the Severstal steel importers case, AIIS is tackling Section 232 head-on; rather than challenging the president’s action pursuant to the statute, AIIS challenges the constitutionality of Congress’s delegation. If the plaintiffs are successful, they may upend more than 60 years of congressional deference to the executive on matters of national economic security. It would be the first time since the early New Deal era that courts ruled that Congress went too far in delegating its lawmaking powers. This is but the latest way that Trump’s aberrant behavior is prompting reactions that undermine long-standing norms.

The plaintiffs seek a declaratory judgment that Section 232’s unlimited discretion “is unconstitutional as an improper delegation of legislative power to the President, in violation of Article I, section 1 of the Constitution and the doctrine of separation of powers and the system of checks and balances that the Constitution protects.”

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ipsos  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:19:47am

re: #306 jaunte

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Fighting misdemeanors by committing felonies.

Repeal And Replace ICE!

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:20:09am

re: #299 Belafon

Anytime I post about the child separation policy on Facebook, I preface it with “Look at what we’re doing.” Especially for people barely paying attention, they need to be reminded that it’s being done in our name and that we are ultimately responsible. Everyone knows I didn’t want this.

I understand. The issue is the people that love what Trump is doing are just fine with it being done in their name.

So, how is it made clear for people that need to know when one does not condone what is being done in their name?

We need that separation at this time. America and the world need to know that while we may have a representative government…the majority is not in favor of what Trump and his admin are doing.

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Jenner7  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:20:42am

I’m so glad they’ve been able to rescue some of those boys. I hope they can get them all out. They are so brave, I don’t think I could do that and survive.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:23:07am

re: #305 wrenchwench

Think of the rats!

I’ve been thinking of the rats at the interior department too much already. Same with all of the Trump departments. Too many rats.

Rats!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:23:52am

re: #324 ObserverArt

I’ve been thinking of the rats at the interior department too much already. Same with all of the Trump departments. Too many rats.

Rats!

Rats!

Ghost - Rats (Official Music Video)

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:24:16am

re: #322 ObserverArt

I understand. The issue is the people that love what Trump is doing are just fine with it being done in their name.

So, how is it made clear for people that need to know when one does not condone what is being done in their name?

We need that separation at this time. America and the world need to know that while we may have a representative government…the majority is not in favor of what Trump and his admin are doing.

You can be not responsible for him being there, and not in favor of what he’s doing, and still have a responsibility to end it ASAP.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:26:30am

re: #324 ObserverArt

I’ve been thinking of the rats at the interior department too much already. Same with all of the Trump departments. Too many rats.

Rats!

The Kinks - Rats (Official Audio)

Featuring Dave, instead of Ray.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:30:47am

re: #323 Jenner7

I’m so glad they’ve been able to rescue some of those boys. I hope they can get them all out. They are so brave, I don’t think I could do that and survive.

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I’m incredibly claustrophobic. I’d panic. Hope they get them all out and they can adjust because there’s some legitimate worries about ptsd here.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:30:59am
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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:33:06am

Gutters have gone muddy again. That’s more than dust. Hillsides, driveways, streets, it all goes downhill.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:33:42am

re: #329 gocart mozart

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I love JFK but LBJ picked better judges. We could use another man or woman with Thurgood’s amazing life on SCOTUS. RBG comes close but she’s now among the senior members.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:38:08am

re: #330 wrenchwench

The monsoon is a sight to behold on a mildish day. Not great fun right under it, or near a flash flood. Might be about as major a natural event as one can safely witness or photograph up close. Just not in a river bed or top of the local hills maybe. See that at golden hour for the first time it’s truly breathtaking.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:39:39am

Final 20 tweets behind the clicky

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:41:59am
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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:43:42am

re: #332 Unshaken Defiance

The monsoon is a sight to behold on a mildish day. Not great fun right under it, or near a flash flood. Might be about as major a natural event as one can safely witness or photograph up close. Just not in a river bed or top of the local hills maybe. See that at golden hour for the first time it’s truly breathtaking.

In a well-behaved monsoon season, we have sunny skies every morning, fluffy clouds building up for the afternoon rain, and it clears up overnight. This one is making up for lost time with overnight rain, morning rain, and afternoon rain.

I just disappointed a would-be customer because I have inadequate rain wear for his girlfriend sitting in the restaurant across the street.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:44:24am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

I’m incredibly claustrophobic. I’d panic. Hope they get them all out and they can adjust because there’s some legitimate worries about ptsd here.

Getting through the one section that is a yard wide would kill me. But, on a positive note, it’s so black and mucky, you likely cannot see what you’re in.

It is unimaginable to me.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:44:30am

TFW you’re rude in public to a famous performer:

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:47:43am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Interesting analysis (and it must be correct, since it’s what I have thought all along about the Singapore Summit!!) - but IMO, the nut is buried partway along:

Trump got his reality show spectacle

Which, as usual with this clownshow of an Administration, seems to be the only thing that matters.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

ADD: and yeah, WTF? Trump is referring to that vague “agreement” document out of Singapore as a “contract”?? So IOW, a deal Orange-ass will only be too happy to renege on??

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:47:58am

Another white woman is out of a job because she decided to call the cops on a black family at the apartment pool. Nothing went her way after that: dailykos.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:49:32am

re: #340 Belafon

Another white woman is out of a job because she decided to call the cops on a black family at the apartment pool. Nothing went her way after that: dailykos.com

This crap is just getting ridiculous. Thankfully some of these cops see that too.

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austin_blue  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:52:55am

re: #336 wrenchwench

In a well-behaved monsoon season, we have sunny skies every morning, fluffy clouds building up for the afternoon rain, and it clears up overnight. This one is making up for lost time with overnight rain, morning rain, and afternoon rain.

I just disappointed a would-be customer because I have inadequate rain wear for his girlfriend sitting in the restaurant across the street.

I just poured 1.6” out of my rain gauge. It was empty last night.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:53:33am

re: #341 HappyWarrior

This crap is just getting ridiculous. Thankfully some of these cops see that too.

I’m white, but I get the impression these are just getting better documented.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:54:12am

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 11:55:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:01:39pm

re: #343 Belafon

I’m white, but I get the impression these are just getting better documented.

Much like police brutality. I agree with you. It was a lot easier to sweep this under before.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:03:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:03:17pm

re: #345 jaunte

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Yeah? Talk to the one year old who found himself in a courtroom as a defendant, no sympathy because you do shitty politics that hurt people and then want to be left alone when we the citizenry want to give a piece of our mind.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:03:34pm

re: #347 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Pro life my ass.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:04:06pm

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Privilege is getting to do cruel and nasty things to people you never have to face.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:04:48pm

It’s Monday, right?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:05:28pm

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

It’s just weird that Boris Johnson and this guy style their hair after Bam Bam from the Flintstones.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:07:39pm

re: #343 Belafon

I’m white, but I get the impression these are just getting better documented.

I suspect there are two things going on. First, yeah, this shit’s always gone on, but now we’re paying attention, reporting it, and publicly shaming the perpetrators. This is good.

Second, and not so good, I think it’s happening more, because racists feel empowered by Trump and his ‘Political Correctness is killing us’ noise. Certainly the openly white supremacist types recognize a fellow traveler in Trump, and they feel empowered.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:16:37pm

Take a look though the slide show of overpriced interior decor, and ponder the diminishing returns on that last $18 million.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:20:28pm

re: #354 jaunte

What is a Johnny Carrabba?

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:21:46pm

re: #355 MsJ

He’s a local restauranteur.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:23:05pm

re: #354 jaunte

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Take a look though the slide show of overpriced interior decor, and ponder the diminishing returns on that last $18 million.

Nope.

Hated that bathroom too. This would be more my style.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:24:05pm

re: #355 MsJ

What is a Johnny Carrabba?

Some guy who can’t pronounce ¡Caramba!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:25:22pm

This morning on FB, a friend whom I’d describe as generally moderate, well meaning, not a Trumpist, posted this:

I didn’t comment on it directly, because I didn’t want to get into a pissing match on a thread calling for healing. But I did comment separately, that the sentiment expressed would make sense after any of the other elections of my lifetime. Really, before this, the two candidates never represented such radically different visions of America, and HRC’s vision was not radically different from either party’s visions hitherto. Even Reagan didn’t really change the direction of the ship that is America all that much, at least not compared to where Trump has ALREADY taken us. He’s a unique threat to the republic and to our freedoms and to what America is. And his supporters need to be held responsible for that.

This kind of bullshit about not hating people because they have different opinions is really easy if that opinion doesn’t gore your ox. This is white privilege, the ability to ignore and excuse racism, homophobia, misogyny, Islamophobia, xenophobia as just ‘a difference of opinion’. Antisemitism was a ‘difference of opinion’ in prewar Germany, and lots of ‘wonderful people’ supported the Nazis. Racism was a ‘difference of opinion’ and lots of ‘wonderful people’ supported slavery, and then Jim Crow, and attended festive lynchings as a community activity. Homophobia was a ‘difference of opinion’, and lots of ‘wonderful people’ supported making homosexuality illegal and making LGBTQ folks into second class citizens.

People who will give you the shirt off their backs, who are friendly, funny, caring, loving people will say and do the most awful things. And it’s white privilege to excuse that as just ‘a difference of opinion’, because it won’t be us who suffer the consequences.

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Teukka  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:25:57pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:30:08pm

So, in political news out of the Czech Republic, the freshly-appointed Minister of Justice, Tat’ana Malá, plagiarized her Master’s thesis and as a result, she’s finally resigning.

Now here’s the funny part: Andrej Babiš, the current Prime Minister will become Minister of Justice until he can find a suitable replacement for the position of Minister of Justice.

Oh……….did I forget to mention that Mr. Babiš is currently under investigation for EU subsidies fraud?

Anyway, yeah, you’ve read that right; the Prime Minister of the Czech Republic, currently under criminal prosecution for goddamn fraud, will also be the Minister of Justice.

Fuckin’ A.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:30:59pm
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:33:02pm
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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:39:56pm

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

Yup, these kind of things are popping up on Facebook.

I wonder about them. I wonder about people claiming neutrality.

On a related note, Sean Carroll has a new Youtube series, and the first post is a podcast, and the subject is “Carol Tavris on Mistakes, Justification, and Cognitive Dissonance”.

Episode 1: Carol Tavris on Mistakes, Justification, and Cognitive Dissonance

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:41:54pm

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

I think a good reply to this is the picture of the German women smiling for the group picture outside of one of those concentration camps, and point out that nice people can do horrible things and convince themselves it’s ok.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:42:56pm

re: #362 jaunte

That’s chilling.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:43:41pm

Turnout was 40% here in San Diego:

vote.sos.ca.gov

But check out LA county. Less than 29%.

So, while I’m glad there was a decent turnout in San Diego and several other counties, there remains a problem in certain counties (check Imperial county, for example.)

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Teukka  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:44:26pm

re: #366 MsJ

That’s chilling.

And with the tweets I posted… Somebody fucking wake me from this fucking nightmare :( :( :(

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:46:40pm

re: #365 Belafon

I think a good reply to this is the picture of the German women smiling for the group picture outside of one of those concentration camps, and point out that nice people can do horrible things and convince themselves it’s ok.

“So are they all - all ‘honorable men’.” - Shakespeare, “Julius Caesar”, Mark Antony’s funeral oration.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:46:42pm

re: #362 jaunte

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:47:15pm

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did they give any particular reason?

My guess is November 11 is a Sunday (lower viewership for Trump’s Third World dictator lovefest, I mean parade). Also puts it in the weekend news cycle for the whole weekend.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:48:18pm

re: #363 MsJ

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On a similar note, I was phone banking for CA-21 yesterday (I still hate phone banking with the fire of a thousand suns), and thanks to the miracle of answering machines and nasty phone banking software, only about four of my calls actually got through. TWO people in that group were interested in volunteering (one of them on the basis of what I said about the candidate). One regretfully declined because he’s disabled and taking care of his 92-year-old mother.

That’s three out of four, folks. Granted, in a district that went for Hillary (while keeping their Repug Rep), but still. I’m thinking we can win this.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:50:00pm

re: #372 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

On a similar note, I was phone banking for CA-21 yesterday (I still hate phone banking with the fire of a thousand suns), and thanks to the miracle of answering machines and nasty phone banking software, only about four of my calls actually got through. TWO people in that group were interested in volunteering (one of them on the basis of what I said about the candidate). One regretfully declined because he’s disabled and taking care of his 92-year-old mother.

That’s three out of four, folks. Granted, in a district that went for Hillary (while keeping their Repug Rep), but still. I’m thinking we can win this.

We can win if it is legit. If we have voter ID, Cambridge Analytica and eVoting machines against us, all bets are off. At that point, there is literally nothing that can be done.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:51:24pm

Manuel Duran’s arrest was retaliation for news coverage, lawyers say
commercialappeal.com

The new federal petition, filed Friday in Louisiana by the Southern Poverty Law Center, seeks Duran’s release on several constitutional grounds.

It says Memphis police retaliated against Duran for stories he produced for his online Spanish-language outlet Memphis Noticias. The legal filing cites a July 2017 Facebook post about allegations of cooperation between local police and immigration enforcement at a traffic stop.

“Following that publication, a Memphis police officer sent (Duran) a text message asking him to take down the story and meet with a senior official in the department,” the legal filing said.

Memphis police have long said that they don’t cooperate with immigration enforcement.

The federal petition also cites Duran’s coverage this year of the case of the Mexican immigrant whose body was overlooked and found weeks later in a Memphis police impound lot.

The petition also says U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement shows a pattern of retaliation against activists.

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Teukka  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:53:03pm

re: #360 Teukka

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:54:01pm

In Car Thief’s district, the Democratic candidates go 50.8% of the vote in San Diego: vote.sos.ca.gov

So it may be possible to flip that district.

Note that in the 2016 Primary, Car Thief himself got 50.8%, so it seems there has been a change.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:54:16pm

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

I mean, this ‘don’t let it change your opinion of them’ shit is like we’re talking about SPORTS TEAMS, not real people’s actual lives. And we want to make nice? This is why POCs would be right not to trust us.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:54:37pm

re: #364 freetoken

Yup, these kind of things are popping up on Facebook.

I wonder about them. I wonder about people claiming neutrality.

On a related note, Sean Carroll has a new Youtube series, and the first post is a podcast, and the subject is “Carol Tavris on Mistakes, Justification, and Cognitive Dissonance”.

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Video

Only tangentially related:

He said that about this:

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:54:58pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2018 • 12:58:09pm

re: #373 MsJ

We can win if it is legit. If we have voter ID, Cambridge Analytica and eVoting machines against us, all bets are off. At that point, there is literally nothing that can be done.

If their stranglehold was as strong as that, we’d be losing all those interim elections, not winning them. That said, if you live in a state that has such issues (in CA we use paper ballots), you should probably be pressuring your state reps. Since the Federal government isn’t doing anything.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:09:02pm
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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:11:11pm

I seem to recall, perhaps mistakenly, that someone posted here a link to an article not long ago that pointed out how foolish it is to try and “understand” Trumpers, etc.

Anyone help me with a link?

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:11:43pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:11:58pm

re: #381 MsJ

“It’s the best thing for the country, right?”

No. Not at all. Not even remotely.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:14:37pm

re: #383 wrenchwench

[“I think, then, that Negroes must concern themselves with every single means of struggle…]

Now the babies have to. Or somebody has to do it for them…

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plansbandc  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:15:02pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Women will be prosecuted for miscarriages.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:17:09pm

re: #386 plansbandc

Women will be prosecuted for miscarriages.

But will juries convict them? (That’s been a problem in the past.)

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:17:12pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:17:20pm

re: #386 plansbandc

Women will be prosecuted for miscarriages.

They’ve gotten away with miscarrying men’s babies for too long.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:19:01pm

re: #382 freetoken

I seem to recall, perhaps mistakenly, that someone posted here a link to an article not long ago that pointed out how foolish it is to try and “understand” Trumpers, etc.

Anyone help me with a link?

No link, 😥 but I think it may have been The Rude Pundit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:19:24pm

re: #304 calochortus

Does “bittersweet” not mean what I think it does? That sounds like a total reproductive failure, which lacks the sweet to go with the bitter.

my guess is that duck eggs sorta taste like pizza…

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:20:01pm

re: #390 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Probably the Rude Pundit - he’s good for these kind of things.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:21:07pm

re: #354 jaunte

LOL The great white in slide #10.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:22:35pm

re: #381 MsJ

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I keep wanting to ask these people how they personally suffered during Obama’s presidency. I don’t expect they’d give a straight answer, but it might produce some doubts in them.

(Time for lunch. See you later. )

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:23:02pm

re: #304 calochortus

Does “bittersweet” not mean what I think it does? That sounds like a total reproductive failure, which lacks the sweet to go with the bitter.

It means what you think it does. The news isn’t bittersweet, it’s just sad.

Unless you think that rats getting a tasty meal of partially gestated ducklings is a good thing. I suppose the rats probably felt that way. And Zinke, being a rat himself, might agree.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:23:03pm

re: #388 gocart mozart

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I can’t reads this shit. Life is too short.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:23:17pm

re: #393 Ace Rothstein

LOL The great white in slide #10.

Presumably straight from the set of one of the Sharknado flicks.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:24:38pm

re: #395 Blind Frog Belly White

It means what you think it does. The news isn’t bittersweet, it’s just sad.

Unless you think that rats getting a tasty meal of partially gestated ducklings is a good thing. I suppose the rats probably felt that way. And Zinke, being a rat himself, might agree.

It’s really not good or bad. It’s just animals doing their thing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:27:02pm

re: #398 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s really not good or bad. It’s just animals doing their thing.

Hey, I’m allowed to side with ducks over rats. This is Murrika!
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:28:48pm

re: #398 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s really not good or bad. It’s just animals doing their thing.

Templeton!!!!!

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:29:17pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:29:38pm

re: #399 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, I’m allowed to side with ducks over rats. This is Murrika!
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The rat is a closer cousin to us than a bird. You’re putting cuteness over family.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:31:56pm

Just paged this: Russia is hard at work, although you can see how their priorities are not quite the same as ours.

They’re working hard to try to muddy the waters around the Skripal poisoning in England, and the related incident over the weekend where innocent Brits came into contact with Novichok.

Wow. Almost as if Putin was trying to muddy the waters around attacking England with nerve agents.

They’re working hard at driving a wedge between England and the rest of the EU as well.

But don’t worry - they’ll get back to promoting their Puppet and his MAGAhead army to destroy America from within in a day or so.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:36:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:36:55pm
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:39:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:39:47pm

re: #404 jaunte

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Well yeah. And it wasn’t just Southern white Dems but some of Northern white Dems as well. And people like Sanders who lionize the famous WWC refuse to see this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:40:09pm

Any rumors on the SCOTUS picks?

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plansbandc  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:43:30pm

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Collapsible, reusable metal straw. Carry with you in pocket or purse. If you don’t have one, buy a new one or hey, just drink directly from the cup. Problem solved.

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danarchy  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:43:42pm

re: #408 HappyWarrior

Any rumors on the SCOTUS picks?

Just that it will be one of the 4 mentioned already. Barrett, Kethledge, Kavanaugh, or Hardiman.

My money is on Barrett, she is the youngest and I think Trump will love the idea of crowing about appointing a conservative woman. I am a little surprise Amal Thupar didn’t make the final cut. I would have thought the showman part of Trump would have loved to be the first one to nominate an Indian-American for SCOTUS.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:44:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:45:47pm

re: #410 danarchy

Just that it will be one of the 4 mentioned already. Barrett, Kethledge, Kavanaugh, or Hardiman.

I’m betting on Barrett.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:46:35pm

re: #411 Stanley Sea

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These bastards need to rot.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:47:56pm

re: #404 jaunte

I thought that study sounded familiar.

It first popped up in 2015: nber.org

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:49:40pm

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson wails that Britain will become “a colony” in his resignation letter, and claims - ABSURDLY - that Brexit is about making Britain an outward-facing global economy, when it was, is, and always will be about “keep them damn brown people outta my country!!!”

Full resignation letter opens upon clickyness:

Dear Theresa,

It is more than two years since the British people voted to leave the European Union on an unambiguous and categorical promise that if they did so they would be taking back control of their democracy.

They were told that they would be able to manage their own immigration policy, repatriate the sums of UK cash currently spent by the EU, and, above all, that they would be able to pass laws independently and in the interests of the people of this country.

Brexit should be about opportunity and hope. It should be a chance to do things differently, to be more nimble and dynamic, and to maximise the particular advantages of the UK as an open, outward-looking global economy.

That dream is dying, suffocated by needless self-doubt.

We have postponed crucial decisions — including the preparations for no deal, as I argued in my letter to you of last November — with the result that we appear to be heading for a semi-Brexit, with large parts of the economy still locked in the EU system, but with no UK control over that system.

It now seems that the opening bid of our negotiations involves accepting that we are not actually going to be able to make our own laws. Indeed we seem to have gone backwards since the last Chequers meeting in February, when I described my frustrations, as Mayor of London, in trying to protect cyclists from juggernauts. We had wanted to lower the cabin windows to improve visibility; and even though such designs were already on the market, and even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter.

So at the previous Chequers session we thrashed out an elaborate procedure for divergence from EU rules. But even that now seems to have been taken off the table, and there is in fact no easy UK right of initiative. Yet if Brexit is to mean anything, it must surely give Ministers and Parliament the chance to do things differently to protect the public. If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists —when that proposal is supported at every level of UK Government — then I don’t see how that country can truly be called independent.

Conversely, the British Government has spent decades arguing against this or that EU directive, on the grounds that it was too burdensome or ill-thought out. We are now in the ludicrous position of asserting that we must accept huge amounts of precisely such EU law, without changing an iota, because it is essential for our economic health — and when we no longer have any ability to influence these laws as they are made.

In that respect we are truly headed for the status of colony — and many will struggle to see the economic or political advantages of that particular arrangement.

It is also clear that by surrendering control over our rulebook for goods and agrifoods (and much else besides) we will make it much more difficult to do free trade deals. And then there is the further impediment of having to argue for an impractical and undeliverable customs arrangement unlike any other in existence.

What is even more disturbing is that this is our opening bid. This is already how we see the end state for the UK — before the other side has made its counter-offer. It is as though we are sending our vanguard into battle with the white flags fluttering above them. Indeed, I was concerned, looking at Friday’s document, that there might be further concessions on immigration, or that we might end up effectively paying for access to the single market.

On Friday I acknowledged that my side of the argument were too few to prevail, and congratulated you on at least reaching a Cabinet decision on the way forward. As I said then, the Government now has a song to sing. The trouble is that I have practised the words over the weekend and find that they stick in the throat.

We must have collective responsibility. Since I cannot in all conscience champion these proposals, I have sadly concluded that I must go.

I am proud to have served as Foreign Secretary in your Government. As I step down, I would like first to thank the patient officers of the Metropolitan Police who have looked after me and my family, at times in demanding circumstances.
I am proud too of the extraordinary men and women of our diplomatic service. Over the last few months they have shown how many friends this country has around the world, as 28 governments expelled Russian spies in an unprecedented protest at the attempted assassination of the Skripals. They have organised a highly successful Commonwealth summit and secured record international support for this Government’s campaign for 12 years of quality education for every girl, and much more besides. As I leave office, the FCO now has the largest and by far the most effective diplomatic network of any country in Europe — a continent which we will never leave.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:51:32pm

Damn. Tried to hide the logorrhea there.

Spoiler|hide tag no worky. Boss?

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plansbandc  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:51:34pm

re: #318 wrenchwench

We went to the Bosque del Apache on the 6th. At exactly 12:00 the rain came down. Beautiful little rainstorm. We saw lots of roadrunners (one of them was catching dragon flies) a turkey, a pheasant, a heron, a couple of deer, and some geese and ducks.

Then we had lunch at the Owl Cafe. It was a lovely day.

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danarchy  Jul 9, 2018 • 1:53:47pm

re: #416 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Damn. Tried to hide the logorrhea there.

Spoiler|hide tag no worky. Boss?

Either spoiler or hide, not both

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:00:26pm

re: #418 danarchy

Either spoiler or hide, not both

DUH! (*slams head repeatedly on keyboard*)

Fixx0red.

Sorry folks. I blame the heat/humidity hangover from spending 2 weeks in rural Wisconsin in high summer.

Also: mosquito bites. And Lyme disease.

420
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:02:02pm

Woman exposed to nerve agent in southern England dies; police launch murder investigation

The victim and her boyfriend were poor people who made a regular practice of rummaging through dumpsters. Investigators speculate that they were exposed to the agent when they came in contact with contaminated material of some kind. Russian bots and their traitor colleagues in the conspiracy industry unanimously blame MI-6 and the nearby Porton Down chemical warfare facility.

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plansbandc  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:02:56pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

Our local news did a story about how the orange bag was carefully considering his choice and reaching across the aisle to Dems. Made me want to puke.

I’m pissed that dude still insists on watching that bullshit and leaving it on loud enough for me to hear it. I’ve ranted at him more than once about it.

I’m so fucking sick of this shit.

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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:03:03pm

Thinking a bit more about the California turnout - I’m glad it was as high as it was, but in some fundamental way California has not changed significantly from 4 years ago.

An incremental, gradual change? Yes, but even by 2014 the GOP was dead here. The Republican congressmen entrenched from years of being emplaced continued, but there was no new wave of Republicans.

For the nation as a whole, I don’t know that California is the model. California has always been, politically, not about the “old” ways of doing things. California has no English colonial past, no Revolutionary War heroes, and was pretty much a non-actor in the Civil War.

Almost all Californians are descended of immigrants who came here within the past century. Even those who migh have some pre-1900 California ancestors, they will have plenty of ancestor not from California.

Society here is more detached, in some ways (a comment often made by new residents from say the midwest). Yet we manage through life here in California as well as anywhere else.

I think the bottom line is that there are front-line states in the culture war (Iowa, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Texas), and California is not one of them.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:03:58pm

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those pizzas have been covered with Canadian bacon, pepperoni, black olive and pineapple.

Let the suffering continue. :)

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:04:25pm

re: #417 plansbandc

We went to the Bosque del Apache on the 6th. At exactly 12:00 the rain came down. Beautiful little rainstorm. We saw lots of roadrunners (one of them was catching dragon flies) a turkey, a pheasant, a heron, a couple of deer, and some geese and ducks.

Then we had lunch at the Owl Cafe. It was a lovely day.

Everything comes back to life with some water.

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plansbandc  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:04:36pm

re: #387 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Sure, if they are carefully selected trumpsters.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:06:18pm

re: #415 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson wails that Britain will become “a colony” in his resignation letter, and claims - ABSURDLY - that Brexit is about making Britain an outward-facing global economy, when it was, is, and always will be about “keep them damn brown people outta my country!!!”

Full resignation letter opens upon clickyness:

[Embedded content]

OMG - what a goddamn screed. I always thought BoJo was an asshole on wheels (sort of the Richard Nixon of British politics): but this is something else again: less of a letter-of-resignation and more of a stump speech.

Yeah, post-Brexit, Britain will be an “outward-facing global economy”, all right: but it will probably just make it easier for them to get kicked in the ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:06:21pm

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Michael’s twitter bio is totally fabulous, also.

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:10:19pm

Trump’s timing his announcement to throw Lumpy a bone.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:10:35pm

re: #388 gocart mozart

*goes to wash my brain with bleach* that…that’s not just crazy, it’s spaceball one gone to plaid levels of crazy.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:12:56pm
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prairiefire  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:16:35pm

re: #388 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Some nut job lady on Facebook attached a YouTube video about it. She said “it’s been 8 long months, but now it’s here. Please ask me or any other Q patriot for links.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:19:04pm

re: #373 MsJ

We can win if it is legit. If we have voter ID, Cambridge Analytica and eVoting machines against us, all bets are off. At that point, there is literally nothing that can be done.

Sure there is.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy

After our brilliant successes in Civil War 2 and the Immigration Coup, we’ve got this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:32:38pm

Figure out who Wilbur Ross ISN’T shorting.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:32:48pm
435
Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:37:47pm

I still think it’s Barret because she’s young, has basically no experience as a judge, no paper trail, could blow Trump, and is a far right radical.

436
The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:41:03pm

The Brexiteers Are Defeating Brexit

The End of the Brexit IllusionLink

While I’m not saying these are worthless articles, I find myself asking why the authors are assuming good faith on the part of these assholes. Because I’d argue they didn’t really fucking have a plan, or a large understanding of what Brexit would do to Britons, and that they’re bailing is 100% predictable since they’re shallow empty fuckwits who just stuck their dicks in the nearest populist, reactionary notion that got them attention.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:41:33pm
438
gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:42:10pm
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freetoken  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:42:38pm

re: #436 The Ghost of a Flea

Brexit is revanchism, with tea and crumpets.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:42:50pm

re: #435 Winston_Smith

I still think it’s Barret because she’s young, has basically no experience as a judge, no paper trail, could blow Trump, and is a far right radical.

I do too.

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:46:13pm

re: #437 jaunte

[Embedded content]

That woman had way more patience with that stupid fucker than I would have had.

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austin_blue  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:46:53pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

That’s exactly right.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:46:58pm

re: #425 plansbandc

Sure, if they are carefully selected trumpsters.

The prosecution and the defence have equal say in jury selection.

444
Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:48:55pm

re: #439 freetoken

Brexit is revanchism, with tea and crumpets.

More likely with a pint and packet of crisps. The tea and crumpet set more likely favored ‘Remain’.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:49:22pm

re: #437 jaunte

And being Puertorriqueño shouldn’t have anything to do with it, or wearing the flag of [checks notes] a US territory.

Since I doubt the Forest Preserve cop is part of the Chicago Fashion Police, my guess is racism.

446
jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:51:07pm

re: #441 makeitstop

The morons are definitely emboldened.

447
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:54:20pm

re: #441 makeitstop

That woman had way more patience with that stupid fucker than I would have had.

Plus another conservative who doesn’t understand the US Flag Code (his statement “you should only wear an American flag”). The US Flag is not to be displayed on an article of clothing (exceptions being certain uniforms such as the military or police).

Betcha schmuck would have been just fine if she was wearing an Illinois state flag shirt.

448
Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:56:44pm

re: #446 jaunte

The morons are definitely emboldened.

You know what all these videos seem to be missing? A lot of other people telling the racist moron to shut up and fuck off.

449
jaunte  Jul 9, 2018 • 2:57:57pm

re: #448 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t know what that uniformed schlub was waiting for.


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