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Belafon  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:07:32pm

I’m not a big Pop! collector, but my wife got me this:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:09:42pm

re: #1 Belafon

I’m not a big Pop! collector, but my wife got me this:

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Goth Betty Boop?

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Belafon  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:14:08pm

re: #2 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Goth Betty Boop?

In this case, Sandman’s sister Death, the happy one of the group.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:14:16pm

When we were young we aspired to the wisdom these lyrics offer. A little older we hope the message got through clearly.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:20:35pm

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LastYearsMan  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:32:28pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ironically, in this case it’s the gasbag that’s the bigger prick.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:37:48pm

Meanwhile, some things on the ethics front

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:46:46pm

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austin_blue  Jul 10, 2018 • 8:47:20pm

Sweet!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:05:54pm

Checking in from a hotel in Terry, Montana.

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Belafon  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:14:28pm

dailykos.com

the number one market for US cheese was Mexico, and we were Mexico’s largest siurce of cheese. Thanks to Trump, no more.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:14:50pm

I get to watch the “Rachel Maddow Show” on a real television set for once. She is tearing apart Paul Manafort’s motions to delay his trial until after November.

The original reason given was that Manafort is too far from his lawyers in Alexandria, thus he was being denied his right to effective counsel. The judge called his bluff and said, OK, I’ll move you to a Federal facility in Alexandria that was used to hold a 9/11 terrorist prior to trial.

Manafort then filed another motion saying, “Naw, I changed my mind.” His trial will proceed as planned.

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Cheechako  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:21:05pm

re: #10 Anymouse 🌹

Checking in from a hotel in Terry, Montana.

I have some bad news. I regret to inform you that summer appears to be over in SE Alaska. After a week of nice sunny days with temps in the 70’s it is now raining and about 52. And the forecast is for rain/showers and with temps in the 50’s for the next week. Typical weather for the Rain Forest.

Fortunately for you, you’ll be quite a ways inland behind the coastal mountains for most of your trip and the weather should be much better. The coastal mountains tend to block much of the wet weather from advancing inland.

Another weather indication is the fireweed plant. They have started flowering. They bloom from the bottom to the top of the stem and the legend is that when the blooming reaches the tip of the stem summer is officially over. Takes about 4-6 weeks so you’re safe to visit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:26:21pm

re: #13 Cheechako

I have some bad news. I regret to inform you that summer appears to be over in SE Alaska. After a week of nice sunny days with temps in the 70’s it is now raining and about 52. And the forecast is for rain/showers and with temps in the 50’s for the next week. Typical weather for the Rain Forest.

Fortunately for you, you’ll be quite a ways inland behind the coastal mountains for most of your trip and the weather should be much better. The coastal mountains tend to block much of the wet weather from advancing inland.

Another weather indication is the fireweed plant. They have started flowering. They bloom from the bottom to the top of the stem and the legend is that when the blooming reaches the tip of the stem summer is officially over. Takes about 4-6 weeks so you’re safe to visit.

Howdy. We didn’t bring winter clothes, but we do have warm clothes if necessary.

When we left home this morning it was already in the 80s, by the time we reached Montana it was over 100F.

Cooler will be better I think. (I’m not sure who all the people from Kansas were trying to run us down between home and Alliance this morning though. Is an evacuation of that state in progress?)

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MsJ  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:28:44pm
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retired cynic  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:32:30pm

re: #15 MsJ

Bastards!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:34:27pm

Trolling trolling trollling …

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MsJ  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:35:20pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:37:08pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:39:29pm

One of the best Twilight Zone’s ever. Reminds me of all the yes men and our President.

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mmmirele  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:39:39pm

re: #8 GlutenFreeJesus

I’m still trying to figure out which white people eat potato salad with raisins and marshmallows in it. I asked my brother about the raisins and he gave me this WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT look. I mean, in my extended family, the argument was whether putting chopped up boiled eggs and paprika in the potato salad was appropriate. (Me: “you can just leave out the celery, thanks, I’ll be picking it out otherwise.”)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:39:40pm

Ducking out to my car for a minute.

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mmmirele  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:41:48pm

re: #15 MsJ

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It’s likely to be much worse than that, when Trump starts throwing out people on Temporary Protected Status from Haiti, El Salvador and Honduras, people who have lived here for years and have American citizen children.

It’s only going to get worse.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:47:12pm

re: #21 mmmirele

I’m still trying to figure out which white people eat potato salad with raisins and marshmallows in it. I asked my brother about the raisins and he gave me this WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT look. I mean, in my extended family, the argument was whether putting chopped up boiled eggs and paprika in the potato salad was appropriate. (Me: “you can just leave out the celery, thanks, I’ll be picking it out otherwise.”)

Anyone that does deserves to get the cops called on them. ;)

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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:49:25pm
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Belafon  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:49:59pm

re: #21 mmmirele

It sou ds weird to me, but I wonder if something like sweet potato salad exists, because I know that a lot of people bake sweet potatoes with marshmallows.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 9:59:05pm

re: #21 mmmirele

I’m still trying to figure out which white people eat potato salad with raisins and marshmallows in it. I asked my brother about the raisins and he gave me this WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT look. I mean, in my extended family, the argument was whether putting chopped up boiled eggs and paprika in the potato salad was appropriate. (Me: “you can just leave out the celery, thanks, I’ll be picking it out otherwise.”)

Mom’s potato salad was an All Day Thing To Make

She’d start by cracking up a bunch of celery and hand slicing it into thin pieces. Next carrots were shredded Sometimes Mom also included thinly sliced pimento olives. then she would peel 4 pounds of potatoes and simmer them slowly for 1 1/2 hours, drain and then 5 eggs would be hard boiled. Mom peeled the shells and she got the big bowl, ground the eggs with a hand grinder, add the sliced potatoes and veggies then she used a dressing made from Miracle Whip, Coleman’s dried mustard, fines herbs and paprika. She’d them mix the dressing up, pour it over the ingredients, stir everything up and then dust it on top with dill and Old Bay seasoning.

Once I had a college friend over, he took a look at Mom’s potato salad and he ate almost half of the bowl. Said it was the best he ever had…

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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2018 • 10:04:27pm

It’s 64° with a dew point of 57°. All fans are on in the house. It feels so nice outside.

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freetoken  Jul 10, 2018 • 10:06:32pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 10:08:28pm

the heat wave has finally subsided here in Los Angeles. My air conditioner’s compressor is finally getting an extended rest from the 4+day 24/7 workout it had. Main room is now down to 78 degrees.

It didn’t get under 90 Friday, Saturday or Sunday nights…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 10, 2018 • 10:08:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 10, 2018 • 10:18:50pm

re: #30 Joe Bacon 🌹

the heat wave has finally subsided here in Los Angeles. My air conditioner’s compressor is finally getting an extended rest from the 4+day 24/7 workout it had. Main room is now down to 78 degrees.

It didn’t get under 90 Friday, Saturday or Sunday nights…

Still 85F in eastern Montana. Ugh.

I’m going to get ready for bed. This was a long day. I’ll check in tomorrow from Regina. G’night, y’all.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 10, 2018 • 10:21:28pm

re: #21 mmmirele

Know Your Meme: Raisin Potato Salad is an Internet Slang term to describe unnecessary actions taken by white people, usually adding their spin on examples of black popular …

Black Jeopardy with Chadwick Boseman - SNL

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BeachDem  Jul 10, 2018 • 10:22:07pm

This kid wins “side-eye of the year” award. (and what a condescending prick Bevin is) “It’s not something you necessarily would have thought of when you think of this section of town,” he said. (edit to add—he’s talking about playing chess.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 10, 2018 • 11:03:49pm

re: #30 Joe Bacon 🌹

the heat wave has finally subsided here in Los Angeles. My air conditioner’s compressor is finally getting an extended rest from the 4+day 24/7 workout it had. Main room is now down to 78 degrees.

It didn’t get under 90 Friday, Saturday or Sunday nights…

I used to live in Phoenix…I snicker.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 10, 2018 • 11:40:59pm

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

I knew some members of that club. It’s been around for decades.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 10, 2018 • 11:53:12pm

re: #34 BeachDem

This kid wins “side-eye of the year” award. (and what a condescending prick Bevin is) “It’s not something you necessarily would have thought of when you think of this section of town,” he said. (edit to add—he’s talking about playing chess.)

Chess is the perfect symbol: blacks and whites segregated.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 10, 2018 • 11:53:56pm

Our “heat wave” was as nothing compared to most places, but it was in the eighties when I was hauling groceries and stuff up my hill this afternoon. It’s back to the fifties now, and I’m glad of it.

And I’m going to bed. Sweet dreams, all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 10, 2018 • 11:57:52pm

We had a welcome bit of rain and cooling off on the Rhine yesterday, slept better than I have in weeks. Today I get to take a group of Russian motorcyclists on a trip up to the Niederwalddenkmal, I told them it was the German version of the Motherland statue outside Volgograd, formerly Stalingrad formerly Tsaritsyn…celebrating their victory over France in 1871.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 10, 2018 • 11:58:35pm

Greece decides to expel Russian diplomats

The Greek government has decided to expel two Russian diplomats, and ban the entry into Greece of two more, accusing them of intrusion into domestic affairs and illegal acts against Greece’s national security, Kathimerini has learned.

More specifically, Athens is accusing the Russian diplomats of efforts to extract and circulate information, and to bribe Greek state operatives, which have failed.

The same sources note that despite the efforts by the Greek government to keep relations with Russia on a good level, lately various circles that are connected to Russian interests have been meddling in Greek domestic affairs.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:01:05am

Everything is fine.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:08:35am

Useful graphic. Embiggen it on paper and post it on a wall somewhere.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:29:30am

still a lying moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:31:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:34:12am

hahahahahahaha

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:37:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:44:09am

wtf is the moron talking about?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:46:53am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:49:03am

Trump’s other brown-eyed girl, now that Hope Hicks is gone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:49:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:50:00am
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:50:08am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:50:20am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russia sells a lot of nat gas to European countries.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:52:10am

Well, I can see Trump is trying to piss off our allies again. I admire their self-restraint.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:53:41am

re: #54 wheat-dogg

Well, I can see Trump is trying to piss off our allies again. I admire their self-restraint.

pretty sure someone has spit in his food…

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ericblair  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:54:28am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is arguing that Germany is controlled by Russia because of the gas pipeline.

“No puppet! You’re the puppet!”

AHAHAHAHA. I assume Trump is trying his puppet routine to prove that everybody else is a worse Putin bootlicker than he is, but this is a real issue. Nordstream II is a project that will increase Russia’s gas capacity in Europe, which they use constantly as a political cudgel. This is moving forward despite the political damage because of the money, baby. Publicly embarrassing Germany over this might actually do some good.

Now he’s starting in on Turkey, accusing them of moving away from NATO, and the foreign minister has to say no, no, we’re all in on NATO. That could be useful, too. There’s no way Turkey wants to leave NATO, because then they’ll be out of NATO and Greece will still be in it.

He’s essentially pointing out all the shit that doesn’t generally get discussed and forcing the other nations to commit to opposing Russia. I don’t think Trump’s boss will be too happy about this in his performance review later this week.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:54:35am

jeebus

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:57:52am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2018 • 1:01:29am

NATO moderator: Thank you, Mr Trump, for your interesting comments. Now, if you would all turn to page 3, we’ll get the meeting underway.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 11, 2018 • 1:07:35am

My depression is getting worse.

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teleskiguy  Jul 11, 2018 • 1:10:10am
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2018 • 1:16:49am

Contrast that buffoon with Trudeau.

@NATO, it’s just as important now as it was during the Cold War. @Canada wants to expand the security and democracy zone.”

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2018 • 1:20:34am
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unproven innocence  Jul 11, 2018 • 1:30:17am

With appologies to Forrest Gump— The internet is like a box of chocolates… you never know what you’re going to get.

Trump’s Supreme Court pick: ISPs have 1st Amendment right to block websites
Net neutrality violates ISPs’ right to edit the Internet, judge wrote.
Jon Brodkin - 7/10/2018, 12:25 PM
Bolding is mine.

President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee argued last year that net neutrality rules violate the First Amendment rights of Internet service providers by preventing them from “exercising editorial control” over Internet content.

The implications are beyond mind-boggling.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2018 • 1:43:28am

re: #64 unproven innocence

With appologies to Forrest Gump— The internet is like a box of chocolates… you never know what you’re going to get.

Trump’s Supreme Court pick: ISPs have 1st Amendment right to block websites
Net neutrality violates ISPs’ right to edit the Internet, judge wrote.
Jon Brodkin - 7/10/2018, 12:25 PM
Bolding is mine.

The implications are beyond mind-boggling.

Kavanaugh is like the Trifecta of conservative wet dreams.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2018 • 1:45:49am

re: #1 Belafon

I’m not a big Pop! collector, but my wife got me this:

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I didn’t realize this, but in just looking it up, Cinamon Hadley, the real-life inspiration for the character Death, passed away earlier this year.

RIP.

1969 ~ 2018
Cinamon Lou Hadley of Salt Lake City, Utah, passed away on Saturday, January 6, 2018 at the age of 48.
Cinamon was born to parents Greg and Patricia Hadley on November 6, 1969 in Barstow CA. She grew up as the eldest of 4 children. She began her artistic career dancing for a small ballet company at the age of 8 and was principal dancer before ending her dance career. Cinamon went on to serve as muse for the character ‘Death’ of the Endless in the acclaimed Sandman comic book by Neil Gaiman. Turning to her talents in design, Cinamon entered the world of fashion becoming well known for her creations and her unique style.

“Cinamon’s influence on Goth Fashion and culture cannot be overstated.” - post-punk.com

Cinamon is survived by her Mother, Patricia Hadley; her Father Greg Hadley; her sister Ragetta Hadley-Plunkett; and her brothers Grant and Lamarr Hadley; long time companion Dan Silver, and many more loving friends and adoring fans too numerous to list.

legacy.com

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2018 • 2:16:52am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 11, 2018 • 2:51:52am

Signs urging Omaha residents to report ‘illegal aliens’ spotted in Dundee

OMAHA, Neb. — Posters have been spotted in the Omaha metro area urging residents to report ‘illegal aliens.’ However, there are few answers about who posted them.

An alley near 48th and Cass in Dundee is among the places posters can be spotted. Despite KETV NewsWatch 7 knocking on doors and driving around two different neighborhoods, no one has come forward to say they support the signs.
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“It’s harassment,” said Rose Cano, who opposes the signs. “It’s (encouraging) people to start racial profiling.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2018 • 3:01:04am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Do they get that many Canadians in Nebraska?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 11, 2018 • 3:02:37am

re: #21 mmmirele

Potato salad, leave everything off potatoes , toss potatoes with olive oil and garlic, roast.

The whole concept of potato salad is gross. Doesn’t matter what you put in it.

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2018 • 3:02:46am

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

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The US currently enjoys rock bottom rents for its European bases. If they’re no longer committed to NATO then perhaps we should be charging them a more commercial rate for all the real estate they’re sitting on. After all, why should we be subsidizing their outposts? If they can no longer afford to maintain an Empire, then they need pack-up, not look for more handouts from Europe.
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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2018 • 3:19:17am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Someone should paste over the “illegal aliens” with “MAGAtards” or some such thing.

Reminds me of Nazi posters about the jüden.

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2018 • 3:43:25am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Chess is the perfect symbol: blacks and whites segregated.

And White always gets first move.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2018 • 3:45:59am

re: #73 sagehen

And White always gets first move.

But Black can also win sometimes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:04:22am

Stock market futures are swooning this morning as Trump launches his latest salvo in his trade war with China.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:14:39am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Trump attacks China with more tariff threats - and China retaliates with their own. Markets are taking a header.

Trump attacks Merkel at the NATO summit, claiming she’s a Russian puppet. I’ve been saying since the moment he ran for office that he projects like IMAX. When he claims his rivals/enemies are doing something criminal or improper, the reality is that Trump’s the one who engaged in criminal misconduct or improper acts.

Trump’s the one who is a Russian puppet, and it’s never been more clear than in his attitudes towards NATO and deferring to Putin at every turn.

Trump is either compromised or complicit, and the longer the GOP cheers on Trump’s actions on foreign policy that undermine American national security and economic security, the more complicit they are as well.

These are perilous times, and the entire GOP is acting as though they’re under the influence of the imperius curse and are cheering along Trump’s sabotage of functioning government, the undermining of the rule of law, and destroying American foreign policy and institutions that we have built over the past 70 years as a bulwark against Russia (former USSR) aggression and to bolster our economic advantages.

There are none in the GOP willing to stand up to Trump and demand accountability. The know nothing base is yanking on the leash of the GOPers in Congress, and the know nothing base have been weaponized by Putin after decades of Fox misinformation that continues to this day.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:14:53am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We had a welcome bit of rain and cooling off on the Rhine yesterday, slept better than I have in weeks. Today I get to take a group of Russian motorcyclists on a trip up to the Niederwalddenkmal, I told them it was the German version of the Motherland statue outside Volgograd, formerly Stalingrad formerly Tsaritsyn…celebrating their victory over France in 1871.

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You said you were halfway between Koblenz and Mainz…Oberwesel? St. Goar?

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:17:26am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:19:52am
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Dave In Austin  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:21:44am

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jeffreyw  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:21:45am

Imgur


Good morning!

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:25:00am
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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:30:53am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:31:20am

re: #82 lawhawk

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Burr is why I say, much as we would like to charge tRump with treason, if they couldn’t nail Aaron fucking Burr on the “levying war” clause, it’s pretty much a dead letter.

And since we fight wars without ever declaring them, we have no “enemies” to “adhere to”.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:32:17am
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Citizen K  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:34:06am

Seeing Trump yet again find a way to ensure that our international allies will never trust us for decades to come is just fucking galling and exhausting. It’s a train wreck that you can’t escape from, with seemingly no way to possibly salvage it going forward.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:36:05am

re: #85 Belafon

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Looking at the orange shitgibbon’s face in that video, another nickname occurs to me: “Spam I Am”.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:37:51am

re: #85 Belafon

I think President Trump has watched Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome one too many times.
“Embargo On!”

Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985) - Master Blaster Scene (3/9) | Movieclips

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:49:02am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

I didn’t realize this, but in just looking it up, Cinamon Hadley, the real-life inspiration for the character Death, passed away earlier this year.

RIP.

legacy.com

She was 13 days older than me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:49:29am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Chess is the perfect symbol: blacks and whites segregated.

When I played in tournaments, I won more games with the black pieces. Had a master rating in correspondence chess. Sadly the fun went out of it when people started cheating with computers. Now I just play quick games on Pogo but even then people are getting computer assistance.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:54:56am

It must be Wednesday, my sewage line needs to be snaked out again

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:57:09am

re: #91 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s an odd way to say that Trump’s busy spewing fecal contents all over the place.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:57:23am

re: #90 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I played in tournaments, I won more games with the black pieces. Had a master rating in correspondence chess. Sadly the fun went out of it when people started cheating with computers. Now I just play quick games on Pogo but even then people are getting computer assistance.

I never would have considered having a computer tell me the best next move. Practice, yes. Help me in a game? Would not have occurred to me.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 5:58:23am

re: #92 lawhawk

That’s an odd way to say that Trump’s busy spewing fecal contents all over the place.

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Citizen K  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:00:06am

re: #93 Belafon

I never would have considered having a computer tell me the best next move. Practice, yes. Help me in a game? Would not have occurred to me.

Ever since Deep Blue, computers have been getting better and better at predictive logic when it comes to chess, so it’s little wonder folks are using them to game their own matches against real people.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:02:33am

I’m posting these together to balance my level of rage

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:03:36am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:08:26am

re: #86 Citizen K

Seeing Trump yet again find a way to ensure that our international allies will never trust us for decades to come is just fucking galling and exhausting. It’s a train wreck that you can’t escape from, with seemingly no way to possibly salvage it going forward.

3 years from now or 7 years from now, we’re gonna need something like a comprehensive reconstruction program, domestically and internationally, to put things back together again.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:09:27am

re: #85 Belafon

What is It trying to say? I know he’s totally controlled by Russia.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:10:35am

re: #85 Belafon

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The constant projection…I mean, come the fuck on…

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Mike Lamb  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:11:32am

re: #98 Sir John Barron

3 years from now or 7 years from now, we’re gonna need something like a comprehensive reconstruction program, domestically and internationally, to put things back together again.

If they thought Obama went on an apology tour….they ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:12:10am

re: #99 Sir John Barron

re: #100 Mike Lamb

Projection and deflection. If he can get people to talk about Germany being under control of Russia, they’ll stop talking about him.

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Citizen K  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:13:20am

re: #98 Sir John Barron

3 years from now or 7 years from now, we’re gonna need something like a comprehensive reconstruction program, domestically and internationally, to put things back together again.

The problem is knowing the electorate will rarely, if ever, give Dem leaders that much of a leash before throwing everything behind the GOP once again since they’re treated as the default daddy of all US politics.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:14:03am
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A Mom Anon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:14:07am

Can we just safely assume that anything that comes out of Cheetolini’s face is stupid and/or a fucking lie?

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:18:54am
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Citizen K  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:20:42am

I respect the hell out of Rep. Lewis, and I love the sentiment. I just don’t believe it at all anymore. We’ve seen just how all encompassing, all powerful, and impenetrable hate and spite really are, especially as political forces. “Love Trumps Hate” as a political motto in 2016 was possibly the single most naive thing possible in hindsight.

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:24:41am

EVERY country that is part of NATO contributes its proper share to NATO’s costs, no one is in arrears.

As for contributing a % of GDP to their own defense., well, there’s plenty off room for argument: On the one hand, Iceland has no standing army and will never ever meet that requirement; OTOH. France has 4 nuclear subs (replacing their previous 10) with six MS1 missiles each carrying six to ten independently targetable TN 75 thermonuclear warheads. So who the f*ck needs the orange turd’s protection racket?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:25:46am

re: #106 Belafon

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It’s July and honestly the only real disappointment surprise is Scott leading in FL.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:26:02am

re: #107 Citizen K

I respect the hell out of Rep. Lewis, and I love the sentiment. I just don’t believe it at all anymore. We’ve seen just how all encompassing, all powerful, and impenetrable hate and spite really are, especially as political forces. “Love Trumps Hate” as a political motto in 2016 was possibly the single most naive thing possible in hindsight.

I think you’re reading his statement wrong. He’s not saying hate won’t occur, he’s just saying that hate is a much harder emotion to sustain than love, and that it causes more damage to those that allow it.

And it would have been easy for Lewis to allow hate to take over his life. But he hasn’t. And that’s not the same as not being angry.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:26:29am

re: #103 Citizen K

The problem is knowing the electorate will rarely, if ever, give Dem leaders that much of a leash before throwing everything behind the GOP once again since they’re treated as the default daddy of all US politics.

Yeah, decades of hate radio and now Faux news, combined with the loss of privilege their audiences have been led to feel, make the work ahead appear rather daunting.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:26:32am

re: #106 Belafon

Only way to look at the poll - don’t get complacent and don’t trust the polls when things are close, especially this far out.

Get out and vote. Make sure people are registered and can vote. We’re going to need a considerable effort to overcome gerrymandering and the fact that more Democrats than Republicans were up for reelection in the Senate. We have to hold the line and then pick off a couple of GOPers to make that happen.

The House is the easier path, and it looks like a wave is going to occur. But you can’t trust polls this far out either.

That’s why GOTV and keeping people fixed on the goal is so critical.

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retired cynic  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:26:42am

re: #70 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Potato salad, leave everything off potatoes , toss potatoes with olive oil and garlic, roast.

The whole concept of potato salad is gross. Doesn’t matter what you put in it.

Having been made deathly ill by a creamy potato salad in my youth on a band tour, I can agree with that statement, at least in part. I do like a bit of German potato salad, tangy!, on occasion. Rarely.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:27:23am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

It’s July and honestly the only real disappointment surprise is Scott leading in FL.

Committing Medicare/Medicaid fraud must be a real election booster. Who knew?

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:28:23am

re: #108 Lupin

EVERY country that is part of NATO contributes its proper share to NATO’s costs, no one is in arrears.

As for contributing a % of GDP to their own defense., well, there’s plenty off room for argument: On the one hand, Iceland has no standing army and will never ever meet that requirement; OTOH. France has 4 nuclear subs (replacing their previous 10) with six MS1 missiles each carrying six to ten independently targetable TN 75 thermonuclear warheads. So who the f*ck needs the orange turd’s protection racket?

Trump only deals in divisions.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:30:41am

re: #112 lawhawk

Only way to look at the poll - don’t get complacent and don’t trust the polls when things are close, especially this far out.

Get out and vote. Make sure people are registered and can vote. We’re going to need a considerable effort to overcome gerrymandering and the fact that more Democrats than Republicans were up for reelection in the Senate. We have to hold the line and then pick off a couple of GOPers to make that happen.

The House is the easier path, and it looks like a wave is going to occur. But you can’t trust polls this far out either.

That’s why GOTV and keeping people fixed on the goal is so critical.

Beto O’Rourke opened a campaign office in Rockwall, TX, the smallest county and one of the reddest areas in the state, because his team understands that you have to get every vote you can. The cool thing is that the campaign office is being run from the office of the owner of the local Chiloso.

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Citizen K  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:30:53am

re: #110 Belafon

I think you’re reading his statement wrong. He’s not saying hate won’t occur, he’s just saying that hate is a much harder emotion to sustain than love, and that it causes more damage to those that allow it.

And it would have been easy for Lewis to allow hate to take over his life. But he hasn’t. And that’s not the same as not being angry.

Bleh. Probably. I’m just fucking mentally exhausted and losing the faith that anything can really conquer the seemingly almighty power of hate these days, not just here but seemingly all across the world.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:31:54am

re: #108 Lupin

EVERY country that is part of NATO contributes its proper share to NATO’s costs, no one is in arrears.

As for contributing a % of GDP to their own defense., well, there’s plenty off room for argument: On the one hand, Iceland has no standing army and will never ever meet that requirement; OTOH. France has 4 nuclear subs (replacing their previous 10) with six MS1 missiles each carrying six to ten independently targetable TN 75 thermonuclear warheads. So who the f*ck needs the orange turd’s protection racket?

This of course is correct but misses the point. Imo, we should not even admit the President has a proper motive in mind for the changes he demands. It is just a facet of the destabilization play by Russia as espoused by our *cough* President. It’s all fruit of a lethally poisoned tree.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:31:59am

re: #114 Sir John Barron

Committing Medicare/Medicaid fraud must be a real election booster. Who knew?

I mean I get why it’s close since Scott is a two time governor but come on FLA, then again this is the state that has elected Rubio twice now.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:32:53am

re: #113 retired cynic

Having been made deathly ill by a creamy potato salad in my youth on a band tour, I can agree with that statement, at least in part. I do like a bit of German potato salad, tangy!, on occasion. Rarely.

When my kids were young, they would not eat mashed potatoes, but they would eat potato salad, consisting of mashed potatoes, eggs, pickles, and mustard.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:33:05am

re: #117 Citizen K

Bleh. Probably. I’m just fucking mentally exhausted and losing the faith that anything can really conquer the seemingly almighty power of hate these days, not just here but seemingly all across the world.

I hear ya but think about all Lewis has experienced in his life and still remains glass half full about humanity.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:34:12am

re: #117 Citizen K

Bleh. Probably. I’m just fucking mentally exhausted and losing the faith that anything can really conquer the seemingly almighty power of hate these days, not just here but seemingly all across the world.

I don’t know what you’ve been through, since I’m not you, but I figure if a guy with a skull fracture can remain focused, I need to give it a shot, since I’m nowhere near that (white, male, straight).

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:34:22am

re: #118 Unshaken Defiance

This of course is correct but misses the point. Imo, we should not even admit the President has a proper motive in mind for the changes he demands. It is just a facet of the destabilization play by Russia as espoused by our *cough* President. It’s all fruit of a lethally poisoned tree.

You are of course 100% correct. This is sabotage, plain and simple. But it enrages me; I so wish they would just tell him to f*ck off.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:35:14am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

I mean I get why it’s close since Scott is a two time governor but come on FLA, then again this is the state that has elected Rubio twice now.

Right, which makes one wonder how in the world he became a two term governor.

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:37:45am

The only course of action with bullies is to tell them to f*ck off. I’m really sorry, guys., but I hope the entire world hammers the US mercilessly in every area, even if we too must suffer the consequences, until tht evil government is replaced or muzzled like a rabid dog.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:37:54am

re: #106 Belafon

Meh. Polls no longer matter to me. Not since that last election.Fancy clickbait, as likely to mislead as inform.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:38:49am

re: #124 Sir John Barron

Because if you’re white and steal millions with a suit and tie, you don’t get prosecuted.

If you’re black and are selling loosies, you don’t get prosecuted either, you get choked to death.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:39:01am

re: #123 Lupin

You are of course 100% correct. This is sabotage, plain and simple. But it enrages me; I so wish they would just tell him to f*ck off.

The Senate passed a resolution yesterday on a 97-2 vote affirming our Article 5 commitment. So, even the Senate is at odds with Trump on this.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:39:47am

re: #123 Lupin

You are of course 100% correct. This is sabotage, plain and simple. But it enrages me; I so wish they would just tell him to f*ck off.

As sad as it makes me, I’m more on the EU side than the US. Whatever measures our friends over there take, I will understand. Unless they do little. This is not a time for tepid.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:41:31am

re: #124 Sir John Barron

Right, which makes one wonder how in the world he became a two term governor.

He was a familiar face. They’d seen him in The National Enquirer:

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:42:41am

Ohhh Trump makes me soooo mad. I’m not a violent man but….

https://youtu.be/DS3MqZWW3Ac

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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:46:40am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Signs urging Omaha residents to report ‘illegal aliens’ spotted in Dundee

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If I saw a sign like that, I’d make and cover it with one that said:

“It is your patriotic duty to oppose the Secret State Police force known as ICE. They are stealing the children from lawful asylum seekers and are attempting to commit ethnic cleansing against them.

Any one who gives aid and comfort to ICE is guilty of Treason as defined in the United States Constitution. Article III, section 3.

#resistance #whiterose

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:49:48am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Signs urging Omaha residents to report ‘illegal aliens’ spotted in Dundee

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And of course we all know who is an immigrant, an illegal immigrant, automatically, just by appearance.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:50:44am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Signs urging Omaha residents to report ‘illegal aliens’ spotted in Dundee

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And, No, it actually isn’t our “civic duty” to report on people we don’t know who aren’t injuring others.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:50:51am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:55:34am

And the Never Trumpers show why while they may hate Trump, they’re just as bad. WaPo op ed by David French, remember him? Suggesting that Trump should have picked Barrett. French definitely understands law, I’ll give him that but it’s what he wants it used for that bothers me.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:56:18am

re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“It’s a totally rigged system, people voting multiple times, Vote Fraud, that’s why my Commission which Dems hated, believe me.”

/

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2018 • 6:57:02am

Thread. NATO should do this.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:03:47am

re: #138 makeitstop

Thread. NATO should do this.

He’s done nothing but attack NATO since his election. You’d think that might strike some people of good faith as being rather troubling.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:07:03am

re: #139 Sir John Barron

He’s done nothing but attack NATO since his election. You’d think that might strike some people of good faith as being rather troubling.

That combined with constantly praising Putin. I don’t think it’s absurd at all to suggest he’s a Putin asset.

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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:07:16am

Well, that explosion in Sun Prairie (just outside Madison) killed 1 firefighter and another is critically injured. A contractor hit a line & about 40 minutes later, boom!

Firefighter Killed Others Injured Sun Prairie Gas Explosion

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:14:51am

Your country needs to be put in guardianship. I’ve rarely read anything more heinous.

Black farrmers were sold fake seeds

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:24:19am

One other thing the guy setting up the Beto campaign headquarters in Rockwall said was that there were 3.8M Democratic votes for Clinton in 2016. If we get every one of those votes in November, Beto wins easily.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:24:56am

re: #142 Lupin

Your country needs to be put in guardianship. I’ve rarely read anything more heinous.

Black farrmers were sold fake seeds

Very much so.

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Jay C  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:27:32am

re: #139 Sir John Barron

He’s done nothing but attack NATO since his election. You’d think that might strike some people of good faith as being rather troubling.

Well, I’m sure that Donald Trump has his own particular viewpoint regarding “people of good faith” - and at its most-benign, probably translates as “chumps”, “rubes” or “marks”. His personality seems to divide the whole world into just two spheres: him, and everybody/everything else. And it’s pretty obvious how he allocates the relative values….

But armchair psychoanalysis aside, this is just typical of our Idiot-in-Chief’s sick notion of international relations: taking a relatively neutral, or even praiseworthy idea (better relations with NK, reallocating NATO expenses), and completely botching it up by turning everything into a public ego-fest of pseudo-“tough” posturing.
Hell, I’m just Some Random Guy On The Internet, and I think I could come up with a better approach to NATO than Trump’s…

(Not that I’d want to give away my negotiating strategy, but I’ll drop a small hint: it doesn’t involve publicly insulting the leaders of our NATO allies…..)

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Broad With Sass  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:37:02am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

It’s July and honestly the only real disappointment surprise is Scott leading in FL.

The ads against Nelson have been brutal..not for Scott just against Nelson…they picture him as a 1970’s gremlin

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:39:16am

re: #146 Broad With Sass

The ads against Nelson have been brutal..not for Scott just against Nelson…they picture him as a 1970’s gremlin

Is Nelson even doing anything about this?? Granted, I haven’t read that much about the situation, but it’s sounding like his campaign is asleep at the wheel o_O

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:41:31am

Morning…

Are there any other LGF members that would like to assist me in blowing up AT&T?

One month ago I started to try to upgrade my cell phone to get a new phone. It has been nothing but a complete clusterfuck dealing with them.

I have kept notes on this mess, and if anyone from AT&T would see all of these they should be embarrassed that a major communications company can’t communicate, has system issues, no direct phone numbers to what they call “customer retention” and their agents do not keep notes about what they said they were doing, etc.

Am I pissed? You don’t know how much.

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Broad With Sass  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:41:33am

re: #147 Interesting Times

Not that I’ve seen…just emails every 5 minutes begging for money

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Citizen K  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:42:38am
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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:43:13am

re: #149 Broad With Sass

Not that I’ve seen…just emails every 5 minutes begging for money

Maybe you could write back and tell them no more donations until they up their campaign game. At the very least, he should be running ads portraying Scott as yet another rubber-stamp/lickspittle for Cheeto Benito.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:46:35am

re: #77 Mike Lamb

You said you were halfway between Koblenz and Mainz…Oberwesel? St. Goar?

very close to them, oberheimbach.de

click on the panorama photo to embiggen

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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:47:38am

Gotta go do a few things - VA, HHS, church, knocking on doors for a Democratic candidate, but I just found this posting by John Scalzi from 2005 that is just too true…

Being Poor
SEPTEMBER 3, 2005 JOHN SCALZI 571 COMMENTS
Being poor is knowing exactly how much everything costs.

Being poor is getting angry at your kids for asking for all the crap they see on TV.

Being poor is having to keep buying $800 cars because they’re what you can afford, and then having the cars break down on you, because there’s not an $800 car in America that’s worth a damn.

Being poor is hoping the toothache goes away.

Being poor is knowing your kid goes to friends’ houses but never has friends over to yours.

Being poor is going to the restroom before you get in the school lunch line so your friends will be ahead of you and won’t hear you say “I get free lunch” when you get to the cashier.

and ever so much more…

whatever.scalzi.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:48:36am

re: #98 Sir John Barron

3 years from now or 7 years from now, we’re gonna need something like a comprehensive reconstruction program, domestically and internationally, to put things back together again.

we will need decades to recover from what has happened

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:49:43am

re: #150 Citizen K

It’s worth noting that key anchors of conservative jurisprudence like the “unitary executive” are very much invented out of thin air with no textual support in the constitution at all.

— Matthew Yglesias

And other key anchors of “conservative jurisprudence” like “The Rule of Law” and “Presidents can/cannot be impeached or indicted” depend entirely on whether their party controls the presidency.

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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:50:17am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

very close to them, oberheimbach.de

click on the panorama photo to embiggen

Cool. I was stationed in a little town called - Illeshiem

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:51:29am

re: #146 Broad With Sass

The ads against Nelson have been brutal..not for Scott just against Nelson…they picture him as a 1970’s gremlin

That’s a wingnut specialty, the “not for a candidate or set of values but against a candidate” type of ad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:53:46am

re: #156 William Lewis

Cool. I was stationed in a little town called - Illeshiem

Near Rothenburg ob der Tauber, one of my favorite historical towns.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:54:28am

re: #148 ObserverArt

Morning…

Is there any other LGF members that would like to assist me in blowing up AT&T?

One month ago I started to try to upgrade my cell phone to get a new phone. It has been nothing but a complete clusterfuck dealing with them.

I have kept notes on this mess, and if anyone from AT&T would see all of these they should be embarrassed that a major communications company can’t communicate, has system issues, no direct phone numbers to what they call “customer retention” and their agents do not keep notes about what they said they were doing, etc.

Am I pissed? You don’t know how much.

It’s on my list to switch to t mobile. Att was shit on my trip & is shit where I landed. Plus old phone.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:55:39am

re: #147 Interesting Times

Is Nelson even doing anything about this?? Granted, I haven’t read that much about the situation, but it’s sounding like his campaign is asleep at the wheel o_O

Something the O’Rourke campaign talked about yesterday is that while Beto has outraised Cruz every quarter since he started running, Cruz has a large war chest from when he ran as president. There’s not much of a way Beto is going to be able to beat Cruz in ad spending. A big reason Beto is visiting everywhere is to get his name out before things really get going. Cruz is a known quantity, but Beto still has plenty of people who don’t know him.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:57:25am

re: #151 Interesting Times

Maybe you could write back and tell them no more donations until they up their campaign game. At the very least, he should be running ads portraying Scott as yet another rubber-stamp/lickspittle for Cheeto Benito.

Shouldn’t he be running ads portraying Scott as a thief?

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:57:37am

re: #148 ObserverArt

Morning…

Are there any other LGF members that would like to assist me in blowing up AT&T?

One month ago I started to try to upgrade my cell phone to get a new phone. It has been nothing but a complete clusterfuck dealing with them.

I have kept notes on this mess, and if anyone from AT&T would see all of these they should be embarrassed that a major communications company can’t communicate, has system issues, no direct phone numbers to what they call “customer retention” and their agents do not keep notes about what they said they were doing, etc.

Am I pissed? You don’t know how much.

How did you try to upgrade your phone? I went to Best Buy and just let them take care of everything.

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Citizen K  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:58:00am
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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:58:38am

If a campaign doesn’t have a whole lot of money relative to the other campaign, spending too early may not help much.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:59:48am

re: #162 Belafon

How did you try to upgrade your phone? I went to Best Buy and just let them take care of everything.

Through ATT by calling them. They had some upgrade offers mentioned on my online account.

I was mistaken thinking dealing with them directly would be the best way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2018 • 7:59:56am

re: #153 William Lewis

Gotta go do a few things - VA, HHS, church, knocking on doors for a Democratic candidate, but I just found this posting by John Scalzi from 2005 that is just too true…

and ever so much more…

whatever.scalzi.com

John Cheese wrote a series of articles on what it’s like to be poor, from the perspective of an actual poor person, not someone who pretended to be poor just to write a book (Barbara Ehrenreich).

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William Lewis  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:01:34am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Near Rothenburg ob der Tauber, one of my favorite historical towns.

I loved spending my weekends there. Go to the museums, stop at the shops for rolls, salami & cheese & a bottle of local wine then lunch in the moat. Afterwards, I’d take my trusty Canon AE-1 and practice my photography.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:03:18am

re: #148 ObserverArt

Morning…

Are there any other LGF members that would like to assist me in blowing up AT&T?

One month ago I started to try to upgrade my cell phone to get a new phone. It has been nothing but a complete clusterfuck dealing with them.

I have kept notes on this mess, and if anyone from AT&T would see all of these they should be embarrassed that a major communications company can’t communicate, has system issues, no direct phone numbers to what they call “customer retention” and their agents do not keep notes about what they said they were doing, etc.

Am I pissed? You don’t know how much.

Currently on the phone with them for my yearly “Yell at them” call. Gonna drop the landline. I’ll save $60 a mo. Thing is I’m rural so I still get my internet by copper.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:03:44am

re: #164 Belafon

If a campaign doesn’t have a whole lot of money relative to the other campaign, spending too early may not help much.

However, if you wait, the other side could poison the public perception of your persona. For example, Kerry did not respond soon enough or forcefully enough against the Swift Boat liars and that failure helped reelect Bush 43,.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:03:48am

re: #165 ObserverArt

Through ATT by calling them. They had some upgrade offers mentioned on my online account.

I was mistaken thinking dealing with them directly would be the best way.

I’ve never tried that. I have either gone to Best Buy or an AT&T store. I mostly get turned off by the “it’ll take a week to get it to you.”

Edit: If you can go to a store, I would recommend going. They can also deal with any progress you might have made.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:07:38am

2 transfers so far……

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:07:46am

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

Shouldn’t he be running ads portraying Scott as a thief?

That too, especially with ACA gutting and sabotage resulting in premium hikes. And if the Russians showed us nothing else, it’s that you can get an awful lot of bang for very little buck with microtargeted social media ads (which, if you’re lucky, can then go viral and be shown for free on TV newscasts as part of a “oooh, look at this controversial ad” segment).

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:07:51am

AT&T? Fired at home and office. Except internet, but the order is in with Spectrum. 10 mbps down at best and .8 up barely runs an IP phone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:11:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:12:17am

he is so full of shit

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:12:19am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those mesothelioma lawyers aren’t going to hire themselves.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:12:29am

re: #163 Citizen K

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And that’s really how this will go, the media so desperate to portray Trump’s presidency as “business as usual” that they will treat Kavanaugh’s nomination as though the GOP didn’t just get done spending the better part of two years arguing against confirming a SCOTUS nominee in an election year. Including all the pundits who said the GOP stood to gain from standing against Garland’s nomination now arguing that Schumer has “no choice” but to allow red-state Dems to vote for Kavanaugh or else lose those seats in November.

I was a bit optimistic Monday, but today I’m just convinced that the whole thing is a formality at this point, that enough damp squibs in the Senate DNC ranks will vote for Kavanaugh for fear that they’ll lose “moderate” votes at home, while shitheels like Paul will be able to “stand on their principles” because they know their votes aren’t needed.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:13:18am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is so full of shit

It depends on which farmers. I bet he wouldn’t care about those black farmers getting sold fake seed.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:13:26am

re: #54 wheat-dogg

Well, I can see Trump is trying to piss off our allies again. I admire their self-restraint.

My question: Our allies spend significantly less money for health care but have better outcomes than we do. Is it possible that the percentage we are spending on defense really reflects paying defense contractors significantly more than they should actually be receiving? That the cost problem reflects the “socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor” economy that we have been running since Reagan.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:15:06am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is so full of shit

Fighting for a level playing field for Putin, not that he needs a level playing field.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:15:23am

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

My question: Our allies spend significantly less money for health care but have better outcomes than we do. Is it possible that the percentage we are spending on defense really reflects paying defense contractors significantly more than they should actually be receiving? That the cost problem reflects the “socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor” economy that we have been running since Reagan.

Germany also counts foreign aid programs intended to combat the root causes of foreign conflicts towards its NATO spending, something that DT does not approve of or recognize.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:15:42am

re: #170 Belafon

I’ve never tried that. I have either gone to Best Buy or an AT&T store. I mostly get turned off by the “it’ll take a week to get it to you.”

Getting the phone wasn’t the issue. I got the new phone in three days.

The problem was they totally screwed up my account by adding a second line to get the new phone. And then is was all downhill from there.

I’ve been promised three times now that the second line would be cancelled and that my total bill would be what I thought it was going to be.

Internally they are one messed up company. Their computer systems are a mess and don’t seem to hold the changes they make.

Actually their system was what started the whole problem. The first agent I spoke with couldn’t put the order through one afternoon. She called me back the next day and still had issues and then nothing happened.

I get the phone and on July 1st when my account was updated and I finally could see online what I would be paying I lost it. I was looking at another $50 a month.

Then I called them and after what probably amounts to 10 hours on the phone over a week, 15 agents and several promises it was going to be fixed I had to call them again today. Of course I have been promised it is all fixed now…but I heard that last Friday and this past Monday.

I wish I had the wherewithal to start a class action suit for customer abuse. I have a feeling I am not the only one that has gone through this mess.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:15:55am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is so full of shit

Yeah, that’s why he’s so busy ragging on NATO members’ defense spending.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:17:19am

re: #178 Belafon

It depends on which farmers. I bet he wouldn’t care about those black farmers getting sold fake seed.

I don’t know about the big factory farmers elsewhere, but here in TheBackwoods soybeans have taken the place of burley tobacco. There’s a soybean mill in town that buys all the soybeans farmers here can raise. I even rent out one of my smaller fields to a local farmer who rents dozens of small acreage fields for soybeans. The mill here turns the harvested soybeans into oil and animal feed. They are in the middle of seriously expanding their operation.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:19:13am

re: #182 ObserverArt

OK. I see. If you can, find the main AT&T store in your area. There are a number of AT&T stores that only sell phones, but one of them should have the authority to take care of all of that. Back when I had all AT&T stuff, I could go down there and take care of my UVerse stuff as well, and, when they acquired DirecTV, the store helped set up the switch. Sometimes it’s useful being able to stand in front of someone.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:19:56am

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

My question: Our allies spend significantly less money for health care but have better outcomes than we do. Is it possible that the percentage we are spending on defense really reflects paying defense contractors significantly more than they should actually be receiving? That the cost problem reflects the “socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor” economy that we have been running since Reagan.

I consider the best example of how fucked our defense spending is in this nation the fact that, even after having been mandated by Congress to make it so, the DoD still does not have an “audit-ready” budget. Official at every level of our military have outright admitted in sworn testimony that the DoD cannot account for every single dollar that is spent. If any other agency worked in such a fashion, Congress would have them drawn and quartered, but when it comes to the defense budget, we just shrug our shoulders and declare that that’s the “price of freedom.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:21:46am

re: #148 ObserverArt

The reps aren’t allowed to give out the retention number but it’s floating around online if you do some Googling. It’s an 877 number I think.

Be warned though: That department has had a ridiculously long wait time as of late (speaking from experience).

Also, if you weren’t aware: AT&T is planning a huge overhaul of HBO.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:22:30am

re: #186 Targetpractice

What you think a hammer costs $250? A toilet seat $500?

That’s how you black budget account.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:22:40am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany also counts foreign aid programs intended to combat the root causes of foreign conflicts towards its NATO spending, something that DT does not approve of or recognize.

Old aphorism: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We would rather spend a fortune repairing something instead of a lesser amount preventing the damage in the first place.

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JordanRules  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:24:06am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:25:12am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, if you weren’t aware: AT&T is planning a huge overhaul of HBO.

Wonderful.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:26:23am

re: #182 ObserverArt

Sounds like they tried to get you a deal on a line using the Buy One Get One Free promo. That promo requires you to add a new line or (I believe) sign up for DTV to be eligible for the discounted phone. You can’t get it if you are just upgrading existing lines.

I did something similar a couple of years ago but in my case I understood I was adding a line to get the deal even though I didn’t really want to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:26:49am

moron

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:26:49am

re: #189 Hecuba’s daughter

Old aphorism: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We would rather spend a fortune repairing something instead of a lesser amount preventing the damage in the first place.

see: ACA vs the Emergency Care Act

We spend billions on absorbing emergency care costs that could easily be prevented by a few millions in preventive care

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:26:57am

re: #188 lawhawk

What you think a hammer costs $250? A toilet seat $500?

That’s how you black budget account.

I’d say part of the reality for why we’ll never have an “audit-ready” defense budget is because we’re so dependent on private contractors for the bulk of the military’s jobs that we’re never going to get realistic numbers. You’re never going to get private companies to admit that they’re billing the DoD for things they didn’t do, jobs they only half-finished, or “repairs” that were unnecessary.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:27:24am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

The reps aren’t allowed to give out the retention number but it’s floating around online if you do some Googling. It’s an 877 number I think.

Be warned though: That department has had a ridiculously long wait time as of late (speaking from experience).

Also, if you weren’t aware: AT&T is planning a huge overhaul of HBO.

Speaking of HBO, anyone else watching Sharp Objects? It’s an 8-part miniseries based on a book by Gillian Flynn (she of Gone Girl) and starring Amy Adams.

Like Flynn’s other books, it gets pretty grim, but I like the book to TV transition so far. Adams is of course, fantastic.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:27:29am

re: #188 lawhawk

What you think a hammer costs $250? A toilet seat $500?

That’s how you black budget account.

How else do we pay for Area 51?

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ericblair  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:28:55am

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

My question: Our allies spend significantly less money for health care but have better outcomes than we do. Is it possible that the percentage we are spending on defense really reflects paying defense contractors significantly more than they should actually be receiving? That the cost problem reflects the “socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor” economy that we have been running since Reagan.

If you look at the balance sheets of publicly traded defense contractors, the profit margin is surprisingly small in general. It’s a low-margin, low-risk business whose finances look more like a supermarket chain than something like Apple.

Now, if you’re asking whether we’re buying the right stuff in the right way, the answer there is fuck no. We have tanks piling up in Texas that the DoD doesn’t want but keep a bunch of people in key districts employed. The F-35 should have been three different planes but turned into a Swiss army knife by internal DoD and Congressional politics. Money is handed out evenly to each military Service whether they need it or not. The Air Force hates drones, even though they are in high demand in operations, because Air Force leadership is full of fighter pilots. And so on.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:29:16am

re: #195 Targetpractice

I’d say part of the reality for why we’ll never have an “audit-ready” defense budget is because we’re so dependent on private contractors for the bulk of the military’s jobs that we’re never going to get realistic numbers. You’re never going to get private companies to admit that they’re billing the DoD for things they didn’t do, jobs they only half-finished, or “repairs” that were unnecessary.

Totally forgot: the defense industry is a jobs program, designed to keep people employed at relatively high wages, doing something that isn’t particularly useful.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:29:47am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Again, the media failing to ask the simple follow-on questions: “When in your opinion is it okay to criticize the man?” and “Where was this aversion to criticizing a president while he is overseas during the previous administration?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:31:04am

Re: AT&T and HBO

Mr. Stankey described a future in which HBO would substantially increase its subscriber base and the number of hours that viewers spend watching its shows. To pull it off, the network will have to come up with more content, transforming itself from a boutique operation, with a focus on its signature Sunday night lineup, into something bigger and broader.

“We need hours a day,” Mr. Stankey said, referring to the time viewers spend watching HBO programs. “It’s not hours a week, and it’s not hours a month. We need hours a day. You are competing with devices that sit in people’s hands that capture their attention every 15 minutes.”

Continuing the theme, he added: “I want more hours of engagement. Why are more hours of engagement important? Because you get more data and information about a customer that then allows you to do things like monetize through alternate models of advertising as well as subscriptions, which I think is very important to play in tomorrow’s world.”

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AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson also said they are looking at things like offering episodes of shows that are 20 minutes long, for quick viewing while say, riding across town on a bus, rather than 45 or 60.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:31:13am

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

Stock market futures are swooning this morning as Trump launches his latest salvo in his trade war with China.

Dow is down 180 as of this moment.

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:31:43am

Not voting has big consequences. I wonder when Dems are going to figure that out? We’ve got one last shot in November.

Trump’s Supreme Court pick: ISPs have 1st Amendment right to block websites

President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee argued last year that net neutrality rules violate the First Amendment rights of Internet service providers by preventing them from “exercising editorial control” over Internet content.

Trump’s pick is Brett Kavanaugh, a judge on the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. The DC Circuit twice upheld the net neutrality rules passed by the Federal Communications Commission under former Chairman Tom Wheeler, despite Kavanaugh’s dissent. (In another tech-related case, Kavanaugh ruled that the National Security Agency’s bulk collection of telephone metadata is legal.)

While current FCC Chairman Ajit Pai eliminated the net neutrality rules, Kavanaugh could help restrict the FCC’s authority to regulate Internet providers as a member of the Supreme Court. Broadband industry lobby groups have continued to seek Supreme Court review of the legality of Wheeler’s net neutrality rules even after Pai’s repeal.

arstechnica.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:32:15am

re: #198 ericblair

If you look at the balance sheets of publicly traded defense contractors, the profit margin is surprisingly small in general. It’s a low-margin, low-risk business whose finances look more like a supermarket chain than something like Apple.

Unless you are a contractor with both defense and private contracts where you can hide private project expenses in DoD contracts.

Or unless you can land a no-bid, cost-plus DoD contract.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:32:34am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is so full of shit

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:34:16am

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

And you’ll vote for him again because he hates who you hate.

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JordanRules  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:35:32am

The prosecutor also noted that since the investigation had begun, Mifsud had become a character in Robert Mueller’s inquiry into the election of US president Donald Trump in 2016, but stressed that the Russia probe had no link whatsoever to the case in Sicily.

Mifsud has been accused, along with two other individuals, of unjustifiably inflating salaries at a university consortium in Agrigento, Sicily, which he presided over nearly a decade ago.

The fact that he was a no-show in court today means that he has effectively renounced the chance of defending himself, and a verdict will be reached in his absence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:36:01am

re: #206 Skip Intro

And you’ll vote for him again because he hates who you hate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:36:06am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

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moron

He’s not making that stupid vee sign between his manspread like he usually does. Has a tiny seed of self-awareness crept in that he will be laughed at?

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:36:13am

re: #98 Sir John Barron

3 years from now or 7 years from now, we’re gonna need something like a comprehensive reconstruction program, domestically and internationally, to put things back together again.

We will never have that as long as Fox News and right wing radio exist. Their sole purpose is to lie and induce rage.

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:36:54am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:37:37am

re: #200 Targetpractice

Again, the media failing to ask the simple follow-on questions: “When in your opinion is it okay to criticize the man?” and “Where was this aversion to criticizing a president while he is overseas during the previous administration?”

When he is not in a foreign country or in the U.S.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:39:28am

o_O

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:41:34am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nothing about that surprises me.

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ericblair  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:41:45am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

NEW: In meeting with Chancellor Angela Merkel, Pres. Trump says “we have a tremendous relationship with Germany.”

The president earlier accused Germany of being “totally controlled” by Russia. abcn.ws

Wheeee. Trump is a weak-minded ignoramus and the rest of the people at the summit are not. So it’s quite possible for a decent politician to own his ass in one-on-one discussions, just until Trump walks out the door and some other decent politician convinces him of something else. China was his bestest buddy and the greatest country in the Universe when he was there, and then he went home and someone else talked to him and now we’re in an idiot trade war.

The fuckup at the G7 was letting him leave without signing everything first, allowing him to go back into his fucked up bubble and his Twitter account and screw everything up. Just like a car dealership, you don’t let the dumb mark get out the door without signing a contract.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:41:53am
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JordanRules  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:44:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:48:48am

JFC

“We have nothing to hide about how we operate these facilities,” Azar told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer Tuesday night, referring to the juvenile and “tender age” facilities in which many of the separated children are currently being detained, which HHS officials have barred media outlets and public figures from filming or visiting unannounced.

Speaking to the conditions in which the children are being held, he added, “It is one of the great acts of American generosity and charity, what we are doing for these unaccompanied kids.”

Azar appeared to be using an incorrect term for children forcibly removed from their families at the border; typically, the term “unaccompanied” refers to those children who arrive at the border alone or without a parent or guardian present.

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JordanRules  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:49:07am
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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:49:39am

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Like so many others in this admin, she has the look of someone who knows she’s never going to live this down, but won’t quit because this is the highest office she’ll ever attain in her career.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:50:09am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

The reps aren’t allowed to give out the retention number but it’s floating around online if you do some Googling. It’s an 877 number I think.

Be warned though: That department has had a ridiculously long wait time as of late (speaking from experience).

Also, if you weren’t aware: AT&T is planning a huge overhaul of HBO.

They claim they are overhauling their entire systems and that is a part of their issues.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:50:33am

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

We have nothing to hide about how we operate these facilities,” Azar told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer Tuesday night, referring to the juvenile and “tender age” facilities in which many of the separated children are currently being detained, which HHS officials have barred media outlets and public figures from filming or visiting unannounced.

I just can’t stand it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:51:40am
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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:52:29am

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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ericblair  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:55:07am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Unless you are a contractor with both defense and private contracts where you can hide private project expenses in DoD contracts.

Or unless you can land a no-bid, cost-plus DoD contract.

I’m not a DoD contractor, but used to work for one. DoD contract regulations are far, far more stringent than almost anything negotiated in commercial space. Messing with government contracts like that is likely to get you banned from DoD contracts for six months or more, which is essentially a death sentence to a cash flow heavy business like this.

Cost plus contracts are the least profitable type of government contract. You don’t get more than a few percent over your expenses, because you’re taking almost zero risk. If you’re a contractor of any size, you have Government auditors on your property all day every day permanently. No-bid contracts have to be justified in writing by the Government, and get more stringent review the bigger the amount.

Wasting money is overwhelmingly done by just straight up incompetence on either the Government or contractor side, or the Government asking a contractor to do something expensive and useless, which the contractor then delivers in accordance with all applicable regulations. Outright corruption is pretty rare as a percentage of the total work, IMO.

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JordanRules  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:55:23am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That um, doesn’t seem like the correct response at all. Geez.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:56:32am

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

Sounds like they tried to get you a deal on a line using the Buy One Get One Free promo. That promo requires you to add a new line or (I believe) sign up for DTV to be eligible for the discounted phone. You can’t get it if you are just upgrading existing lines.

I did something similar a couple of years ago but in my case I understood I was adding a line to get the deal even though I didn’t really want to.

That is how it ended up, but it wasn’t supposed to. They were also offering a cheap upgrade on select Samsung phones. I took a Galaxy J3 because that is all I need. I pretty much only need a phone and texting. All it was supposed to do was bump my monthly bill up $6 a month.

As I said earlier, their system was down on the initial upgrade order. The second agent to pick up the order must have added the second line.

The other issue was I was to get an email explaining all the costs. It never came. If I had known what it was going to cost I would have done something else in the time allowed to make changes.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:58:01am

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Azar appeared to be using an incorrect term for children forcibly removed from their families at the border; typically, the term “unaccompanied” refers to those children who arrive at the border alone or without a parent or guardian present.

Well, no, not appeared to be, but was, using an incorrect term, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:58:51am

re: #225 ericblair

Wasting money is overwhelmingly done by just straight up incompetence on either the Government or contractor side, or the Government asking a contractor to do something expensive and useless, which the contractor then delivers in accordance with all applicable regulations. Outright corruption is pretty rare as a percentage of the total work, IMO.

If you have a big company like Boeing, it is easy enough to apply some creative book keeping to bill private expenses to a DoD contract in a way that it would take an auditor a lot of time and scrutiny to discover and prove.

When I lived in Tucson I read about some really blatant violations going on at Hughes Aircraft, employees building illegal black box de-scramblers on a government assembly line.

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lizardofid  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:58:51am

re: #168 Dave In Austin

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 8:59:34am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait, so you’re trying to say that doing those things would be wrong?

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:00:41am

re: #199 Hecuba’s daughter

Totally forgot: the defense industry is a jobs program, designed to keep people employed at relatively high wages, doing something that isn’t particularly useful.

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms in not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.

We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.”

Address by President Dwight D. Eisenhower “The Chance for Peace” delivered before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16,1953.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:04:29am

re: #199 Hecuba’s daughter

Totally forgot: the defense industry is a jobs program, designed to keep people employed at relatively high wages, doing something that isn’t particularly useful.

It is also a way of spreading political power: Congresspeople who deliver defense jobs are more likely to be re-elected.

Granted, sometimes there are defense-related spin-offs that benefit the economy, but not enough to rationalize the amount we spend guaranteeing access to natural resources that we rely on because we have done nothing to alter our energy policy to make us less dependent.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:10:40am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s funny, as in not at all funny. I heard the president of the soybean collective (not the real name) yesterday. From MN; has a soybean farm. Said EXPLICITLY that soybean farmers were finally getting back in the black and that the tariffs being imposed by China are going to push soybean farmers back into the red.

Asshole.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:11:46am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

o_O

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Schnatter is a total dirtbag. I hope this brings his ass down. He needs to go away from anything public so we never see him again.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:12:30am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I always love these “not done much for the economy” comments on the internet, where nearly everything required to type and display these words on the screen was developed originally for military purposes.

I do agree with your first paragraph, and that we need to do more to lessen our dependence on oil.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:15:21am

re: #236 Belafon

I always love these “not done much for the economy” comments on the internet, where nearly everything required to type and display these words on the screen was developed originally for military purposes.

I do agree with your first paragraph, and that we need to do more to lessen our dependence on oil.

“not done much” in comparison to the trillions that have been spent on defense…and we could have developed an Internet for civilian purposes just as well.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:15:30am

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

Stock market futures are swooning this morning as Trump launches his latest salvo in his trade war with China.

And, I just got an email from glass studio that I buy stuff from. Basically, it said that all thing that have steel in them (forms, equipment, tools, etc.) are going up in price ‘cause of raw material costs.

Asshole.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:18:44am

re: #237 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“not done much” in comparison to the trillions that have been spent on defense…and we could have developed an Internet for civilian purposes just as well.

We could have, true. But we wouldn’t have. AT&T didn’t want to get involved in the internet because they were afraid it would compete with them. Who would have launched the communications and navigation satellites without NASA, whose role in sending men to the moon was to prove we could park an ICBM anywhere? And where do you think we’d be with the computer had the government not spent the boatloads to fund IBM’s development?

A large chunk of our $15T/yr economy is due to defense spending.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:20:01am

re: #239 Belafon

We could have, true. But we wouldn’t have. AT&T didn’t want to get involved in the internet because they were afraid it would compete with them. Who would have launched the communications and navigation satellites without NASA, whose role in sending men to the moon was to prove we could park an ICBM anywhere? And where do you think we’d be with the computer had the government not spent the boatloads to fund IBM’s development?

We could have had a government that could afford to spend more on R&D for NASA or for other causes (weather forecasting, geophysical research, etc.) instead of spending trillions on hardware intended to blow people up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:20:07am
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BeachDem  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:20:55am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

Speaking of HBO, anyone else watching Sharp Objects? It’s an 8-part miniseries based on a book by Gillian Flynn (she of Gone Girl) and starring Amy Adams.

Like Flynn’s other books, it gets pretty grim, but I like the book to TV transition so far. Adams is of course, fantastic.

I’m watching and re-reading the book simultaneously (it’s been awhile.) I love Amy Adams and Patricia Clarkson—I suspect her true shining moments are yet to come.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:26:17am

re: #242 BeachDem

I’m watching and re-reading the book simultaneously (it’s been awhile.) I love Amy Adams and Patricia Clarkson—I suspect her true shining moments are yet to come.

I caught part of Night at the Museum 2 on last night. I was watching her face last night. She can smile and show sadness simultaneously in a way that not too many actors can properly pull off.

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electrotek  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:30:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:34:04am

re: #243 Belafon

I caught part of Night at the Museum 2 on last night. I was watching her face last night. She can smile and show sadness simultaneously in a way that not too many actors can properly pull off.

I enjoy watching those films with my kids

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:37:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:39:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:39:54am
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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:40:58am

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

Putin and Kim are far worse: They pretend in front of him that he knows what he’s doing.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:44:32am

Putin and Kim know Donny is a street-level con artist. They play to that.

The European (NATO) leaders are trying to be dignified and act like Trump is the President of the U.S. They try to be nice and give him his due because they have class and they don’t need him in the same ways Kim and Putin need him to be played.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:44:38am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I myself lived through a part of Germany being controlled by the Soviet Union. And I am very happy that today we are united in freedom,” Angela Merkel said in response to Donald Trump’s comments that Berlin is now “totally controlled by Russia.”

Angie: master of the dry-ice burn!!!

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:45:36am

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d go further and argue that Donny’s hate of “elites” is because he has never been accepted as part of NYC’s Old Money clique. That he’s really viewed as a failure compared to his father, whose efforts to buy his way into the inner circles has failed and left him feeling resentful. And that he readily rubs shoulders with despots and dictators because they are like the mobsters he used to work with, men of great wealth who like to pretend they’re “men of the people” when they readily profit from the misery of others.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:50:22am

re: #252 Targetpractice

That he’s really viewed as a failure compared to his father, whose efforts to buy his way into the inner circles has failed and left him feeling resentful.

He bears an enormous chip on his shoulder and is unable to simply rise above anything even while occupying the highest public office in the land.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:56:37am

good grief

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Dave In Austin  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:57:35am

re: #230 lizardofid

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2018 • 9:58:50am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

[… I am watching what is going on from Europe - it would be soooo simple to fix….]

He has the perspective of distance. Time to increase the distance.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:00:45am

re: #256 wrenchwench

He has the perspective of distance. Time to increase the distance.

Days like today keep me from getting homesick…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:02:04am

re: #227 ObserverArt

That is how it ended up, but it wasn’t supposed to. They were also offering a cheap upgrade on select Samsung phones. I took a Galaxy J3 because that is all I need. I pretty much only need a phone and texting. All it was supposed to do was bump my monthly bill up $6 a month.

As I said earlier, their system was down on the initial upgrade order. The second agent to pick up the order must have added the second line.

The other issue was I was to get an email explaining all the costs. It never came. If I had known what it was going to cost I would have done something else in the time allowed to make changes.

The Retention department, as the name suggests, is there to retain you as a customer. They have to retain x number of customers every day/week/month to stay employed. Cancelling lines doesn’t help them do that.

Also, trying to get a cancellation or return approved outside the 14 day window is like pulling teeth. Once you get past the two weeks, the sales agents lock in their commission and you can suddenly become a lot less important to them.

My experience is the Retention department isn’t very forgiving on the return window.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:02:14am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Days like today keep me from getting homesick…

You’re missing a great monsoon!

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JordanRules  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:03:19am
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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:03:47am

re: #256 wrenchwench

He has the perspective of distance. Time to increase the distance.

How about we paint up a big ol’ rocket with a SpaceForce logo, and pack Trump’s fat ass in it and tell him he will be better off on Mars…they lack hotels so there is plenty of business to be had there.

Then light that sucker up and send him off.

Ooops…what do you mean the course to Mars coordinates were never set and the rocket is just going off into space to nowhere?

Oh well. Bye bye Donny.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:03:58am

re: #259 wrenchwench

You’re missing a great monsoon!

those kinda things do make me homesick.

nothing better than sitting out with a G&T and watching the thunderheads roll in

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JordanRules  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:05:32am

re: #259 wrenchwench

You’re missing a great monsoon!

Indeed! In Phoenix we got hail with our monsoon and it dropped 30 degrees in minutes! Of course there was a lovely haboob too causing some folks to remark that it was raining mud.
It had just been 114 a couple days prior then hail! Wheee!

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:05:36am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

The Retention department, as the name suggests, is there to retain you as a customer. They have to retain x number of customers every day/week/month to stay employed. Cancelling lines doesn’t help them do that.

Also, trying to get a cancellation or return approved outside the 14 day window is like pulling teeth. Once you get past the two weeks, the sales agents lock in their commission and you can suddenly become a lot less important to them.

My experience is the Retention department isn’t very forgiving on the return window.

Thanks for the info. Did you or do you work for ATT?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:06:46am

I’m going offline for awhile. The news is just too depressing. I think the worst part is that our president is a moron and a huge segment of America either doesn’t know or doesn’t care.

take care people

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:07:13am

re: #264 ObserverArt

No, but I have used their services before and worked for other wireless carriers, most of which have similar policies.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:08:36am

re: #261 ObserverArt

How about we paint up a big ol’ rocket with a SpaceForce logo, and pack Trump’s fat ass in it and tell him he will be better off on Mars…they lack hotels so there is plenty of business to be had there.

Then light that sucker up and send him off.

Ooops…what do you mean the course to Mars coordinates were never set and the rocket is just going off to space to nowhere?

Oh well. Bye bye Donny.

The Marching Morons gambit, but you only need one moron. I’d buy that for a quarter!

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retired cynic  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:08:44am

re: #148 ObserverArt

Morning…

Is there any other LGF members that would like to assist me in blowing up AT&T?

One month ago I started to try to upgrade my cell phone to get a new phone. It has been nothing but a complete clusterfuck dealing with them.

I have kept notes on this mess, and if anyone from AT&T would see all of these they should be embarrassed that a major communications company can’t communicate, has system issues, no direct phone numbers to what they call “customer retention” and their agents do not keep notes about what they said they were doing, etc.

Am I pissed? You don’t know how much.

I have a good local AT&T store, and they have been johnny on the spot taking care of me for over 15 years. Just upgraded, easy as could be. If I have had a problem in the past, I go in and they fix it, no charge. Could it be your local people?

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:08:45am

re: #260 JordanRules

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Jordan can dig in to everyone else and cause all kinds of issues with his investigating.

When the pressure is on him and the media is doing the investigating he screams and cries.

If nothing comes from this, at least Jim Jordan is being knocked down a bit and being seen for what he is.

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stpaulbear  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:09:32am

re: #235 ObserverArt

Schnatter is a total dirtbag. I hope this brings his ass down. He needs to go away from anything public so we never see him again.

The PR company that was hired to get Schnatter to be less of an asshole wound up cancelling their contract once the CEO found out about Schnatter’s comments. Good for them but they laid off 10% of their workforce, partially because of the lost contract (according to the Forbes article). I kind of hope that the PR company picks up some new business because they decided to not work with an unrepentant racist asshole.

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retired cynic  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:09:48am

re: #151 Interesting Times

Maybe you could write back and tell them no more donations until they up their campaign game. At the very least, he should be running ads portraying Scott as yet another rubber-stamp/lickspittle for Cheeto Benito.

Cheap Labor Republicans! Over and over!

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:11:50am

re: #268 retired cynic

I have a good local AT&T store, and they have been johnny on the spot taking care of me for over 15 years. Just upgraded, easy as could be. If I have had a problem in the past, I go in and they fix it, no charge. Could it be your local people?

It was all done over the phone. I’m learning with all the responses, especially from Eclectic Cyborg.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:12:09am
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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:13:52am

re: #263 JordanRules

Indeed! In Phoenix we got hail with our monsoon and it dropped 30 degrees in minutes! Of course there was a lovely haboob too causing some folks to remark that it was raining mud.
It had just been 114 a couple days prior then hail! Wheee!

I realized where the mud in the gutter was coming from. The major street to the north is all dug up for new power lines, new sewer lines, and new pavement, if there’s anything left to pave. It’s a straight hill. ending its descent at the street I’m on.

Last week, I was walking up that street, and learned that those big orange barrels, accompanied by lots of orange cones, are just a suggestion. An old(er) couple pulled right through, but stopped when they got to the backhoe parked across the street. Everybody has their limits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:17:39am
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piratedan  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:17:46am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

guessing that they were holding up the process in hopes that Trump would eventually go full dictator and get all of this dismissed. My guess is, when Manafort goes to trial, more shoes begin dropping and this house of cards will begin to fall.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:17:49am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I never knew of Paul Manafort before Trump ran for president.

But the moment I first saw him I thought he carried himself like an arrogant dickbag. Just the way he walked through the media pushing them aside with his head up high and looking beyond those around him.

I was wrong. He is way more an arrogant dickbag than I would have ever thought.

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mmmirele  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:19:08am

re: #244 electrotek

Not surprised at this: California Baptist church fundraising for New Zealand bigoted preacher after GoFundMe was removed

No surprise here. They’re all linked together under Steven Anderson, the “pissing preacher” of Tempe, Arizona.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:19:13am

re: #252 Targetpractice

I’d go further and argue that Donny’s hate of “elites” is because he has never been accepted as part of NYC’s Old Money clique. That he’s really viewed as a failure compared to his father, whose efforts to buy his way into the inner circles has failed and left him feeling resentful. And that he readily rubs shoulders with despots and dictators because they are like the mobsters he used to work with, men of great wealth who like to pretend they’re “men of the people” when they readily profit from the misery of others.

That’s a bingo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:19:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:21:54am

The OTANned one

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:22:04am

re: #276 piratedan

guessing that they were holding up the process in hopes that Trump would eventually go full dictator and get all of this dismissed. My guess is, when Manafort goes to trial, more shoes begin dropping and this house of cards will begin to fall.

I hope you are right.

But one thing is happening.

All of Trump’s buddies are coming to the realization that they all had Donny’s back but when they need Donny his back is turned.

They were all fools. Just like all the fools that voted for Trump. And the likes of Manafort, Cohen, Stone and others should have known Trump is a chump, as they have been around him longer than anyone.

And they were conned.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:22:49am

re: #279 makeitstop

That’s a bingo.

That’s the sign protestors need to carry:

YOU WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED BY NEW YORK SOCIETY!

That’ll drive him crazy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:23:34am

re: #282 ObserverArt

All of Trump’s buddies are coming to the realization that they all had Donny’s back but when they need Donny his back is turned.

Yes, and even in the best case scenario, I suspect that he will walk, and even if he is stripped of all his assets, he will be able to make quite a living giving speeches and appearances while his partners go belly-up, just like they always have…

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:26:02am

re: #282 ObserverArt

[…]

And they were conned.

They got what they wanted. Not as much as they wanted, but they are still actively grabbing everything in reach. Like the courts.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:27:22am

re: #279 makeitstop

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:28:42am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:29:01am

I’ve had this thought for a few weeks, and reading Kerry’s statement brings it to mind again.

First off, I know we’re a nation of laws (for now) and we let democracy speak and let things take their course, but…

People like Kerry plainly see that Trump is destroying this country. You have to wonder if there are people in this country who wouldn’t be against using extreme action to get us out of this.

It’s got to be rough, if you’ve spent your life working in diplomacy and forging partnerships, to watch one man piss it all away.

I’m not advocating anything here, but when do they just say ‘enough is enough?’ Or do they just let it all slip away?

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:29:08am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:29:22am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:29:45am

re: #287 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

RIGGED WITCH HUNT!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:30:42am

re: #287 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

But the Dossier! Release the Memo!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:33:21am

re: #290 Charles Johnson

What good is NATO if…

The pretty much straightforward assertion here is that NATO is “not” any “good”, so we might as well abandon it.

Amazing how his treachery is right out in the open.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:33:52am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:34:17am

Even I’ve been surprised how each new day is a new frightening outrage.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:34:59am

re: #289 gocart mozart

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Chris Rock nailed it years ago. (Caution: strong language - NSFW)

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:35:45am

re: #289 gocart mozart

Civic Duty!!! Arrest all the Jews Immigrants!!!

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plansbandc  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:36:46am

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:36:57am

This is pretty amazing - All possible responses to “They should do it the right way and get in line, like my family did,” with citations (also jokes)

Hello, it’s your friendly neighborhood immigration attorney back again to provide you with everything you need the next time someone starts trying to tell you about how their family came “the right way” and anyone who wants to do it like their ancestors did should “get in line.” (TL;dr: there’s a really good chance that at least some portion of your family came to the U.S. without a visa and/or received immigration amnesty, and the “right way” from 1790-1965 has nothing to do with how things are done now.)

A long read, but well worth a bookmark.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:37:23am

re: #290 Charles Johnson

This horrible creature is building a pretext to pull out of NATO, it couldn’t be more obvious. What a nightmare. Can somebody please wake me up?

— Charles Johnson

We’ve pulled out of almost everything else…

He gets re-elected what’re the odds of the US remaining in, or continuing to host in NYC, the UN, let alone NATO?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:37:55am
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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:38:41am

re: #293 Sir John Barron

[…]
Amazing how his treachery is right out in the open.

That’s where the oligarchs are blowing it. Trump has exposed their strategy and tactics for all to marvel over and organize against.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:39:26am

re: #301 Charles Johnson

Oh Faux News is all in on the NATO Hate Party? Why am I surprised?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:39:46am

We have always been at war with NATO

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:40:58am

re: #289 gocart mozart

Or the people who informed on escaped slaves for the Fugitive Slave Act.

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:40:58am

re: #300 Sir John Barron

We’ve pulled out of almost everything else…

He gets re-elected what’re the odds of the US remaining in, or continuing to host in NYC, the UN, let alone NATO?

Pulling out of the UN or kicking them out could be interpreted as siding with the Axis powers.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:41:27am
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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:42:11am

re: #300 Sir John Barron

We’ve pulled out of almost everything else…

I’m left wishing that Fred would have pulled out of Mary 72 years ago.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:42:12am

$25.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:42:25am

re: #285 wrenchwench

They got what they wanted. Not as much as they wanted, but they are still actively grabbing everything in reach. Like the courts.

True…as far as Republicans.

But I was mainly talking about the likes of Manafort and Cohen thinking Donny would come to their rescue.

The only ass he is going to spend time saving is his own.

That means Manafort and Cohen get “coffeeboy status” and ignored as they go down.

It sounds like Cohen may be to the point that he knows Trump has ignored him and left him to his own devices.

From some of the hints Ari Melber has discussed lately, it appears Cohen may have the info to really hurt Trump. It seems that travelling to Czechoslovakia may be very important info for Mueller.

Also, Cohen handled a lot of the Russian real estate transactions and business. And, he kept record of everything.

I think those Cohen records gathered from the raids opened up a huge find for Mueller and the State of New York. It may have prolonged the investigation, but hints are it is a goldmine.

By the way, is Michael Avenatti being downplayed a bit on all the TV news shows? One of Ari’s guests last evening made some comments that made it sound like media was getting tired of all the face time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:42:44am

re: #294 MsJ

Dem leads in NC district that Trump won by double digits

Dems in disarray indeed

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:43:13am

re: #295 Sir John Barron

Even I’ve been surprised how each new day is a new frightening outrage.

all designed to distract us from the other outrageous things being done to our country.

this is all a staged show

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:44:21am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

A fascinating argument…if only I could subscribe to this tweeter’s newsletter.

/

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:45:58am

re: #288 makeitstop

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I’ve always thought there are contingency plans going on it the background. There has to be a group of people from both parties, the military and big business working to figure out what the hell is going on and what can be done about it.

Too many people of power have too much to lose to let this country fall.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:46:29am

re: #310 ObserverArt

True…as far as Republicans.

But I was mainly talking about the likes of Manafort and Cohen thinking Donny would come to their rescue.

The only ass he is going to spend time saving is his own.

That means Manafort and Cohen get “coffeeboy status” and ignored as they go down.

It sounds like Cohen may be to the point that he knows Trump has ignored him and left him to his own devices.

From some of the hints Ari Melber has discussed lately, it appears Cohen may have the info to really hurt Trump. It seems that travelling to Czechoslovakia may be very important info for Mueller.

Also, Cohen handled a lot of the Russian real estate transactions and business. And, he kept record of everything.

I think those Cohen records gathered from the raids opened up a huge find for Mueller and the State of New York. It may have prolonged the investigation, but hints are it is a goldmine.

By the way, is Michael Avenatti being downplayed a bit on all the TV news shows? One of Ari’s guests last evening made some comments that made it sound like media was getting tired of all the face time.

The naivete is striking. Snakes living among cannibalistic snakes, seeing no danger.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:47:08am

re: #298 plansbandc

Here’s that toilet brush if anyone is interested.

Trump Toilet Brush, Make Toilet Great Again, Comander In Crap

Not my mispletting on commander.

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plansbandc  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:47:34am
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austin_blue  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:47:45am

re: #265 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m going offline for awhile. The news is just too depressing. I think the worst part is that our president is a moron and a huge segment of America either doesn’t know or doesn’t care.

take care people

I understand completely.

And Stonekettle is back after a two day hiatus.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:48:27am

re: #314 ObserverArt

I’ve always thought there are contingency plans going on it the background. There has to be a group of people from both parties, the military and big business working to figure out what the hell is going on and what can be done about it.

Too many people of power have too much to lose to let this country fall.

I disagree. The GOP has been on a mission for 40 years now to absolutely destroy government, root and branch. They are within an ace of accomplishing their goal. They will keep the pedal to the metal until it’s all over.

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plansbandc  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:49:41am

re: #319 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And rip each other to shreds while tearing at the scraps that are left.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:49:44am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:50:01am

re: #309 Dave In Austin

And, DiA beat me by 5 minutes…

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:52:53am

re: #314 ObserverArt

I disagree. The goodguys have absolute faith that the American public will come through. The badguys are convinced that no matter how bad it gets, they can rent some goons to make sure they’re OK.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:53:37am

re: #314 ObserverArt

I’ve always thought there are contingency plans going on it the background. There has to be a group of people from both parties, the military and big business working to figure out what the hell is going on and what can be done about it.

Too many people of power have too much to lose to let this country fall.

You have to think so!

Maybe they’re waiting for Mueller to finish up and then deliver the crushing blow.

The one thing I hope for with all my heart is that one day this ignorant Asshole From Queens TM has it made clear that he’s not bigger than democracy.

The realization will probably kill him on the spot.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:53:39am

re: #320 plansbandc

And rip each other to shreds while tearing at the scraps that are left.

Money is so sacred to them that they think it’s a real thing. They think their money will still be worth anything when they’ve destroyed the government that issued it. The only legitimate function of government is to protect the rich, and they figure they can hire thugs to do that on the “Free Market™”.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:53:45am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

very close to them, oberheimbach.de

click on the panorama photo to embiggen

Gorgeous. I’ve loved Germany since we took a 2 week trip there about 6 years ago. We spent a week in St. Goar, then another week outside Nuremburg. My dream in life is to have a European flat that I can spend a month or more at time in. Koblenz is high on my list because it’s a nice town, decent sized, with good train access to most anywhere, and close enough to Frankfurt for flights.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:54:35am

re: #314 ObserverArt

I’ve always thought there are contingency plans going on it the background. There has to be a group of people from both parties, the military and big business working to figure out what the hell is going on and what can be done about it.

Too many people of power have too much to lose to let this country fall.

Not to mention that Europe has been working on contingency plans ever since DT got elected.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:55:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:55:33am

re: #317 plansbandc

“I could not believe ICE took the inhalers and did not return them. I asked for a native Spanish speaker to confirm my translation. She could have died without those meds.”

This is what deterrence is about: “Don’t come to America if you are sick!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:57:29am

re: #326 Mike Lamb

Gorgeous. I’ve loved Germany since we took a 2 week trip there about 6 years ago. We spent a week in St. Goar, then another week outside Nuremburg. My dream in life is to have a European flat that I can spend a month or more at time in. Koblenz is high on my list because it’s a nice town, decent sized, with good train access to most anywhere, and close enough to Frankfurt for flights.

Yes, I am about 40 mins from Koblenz, and I might just wind up moving there myself for all the reasons you mentioned.

I can hear the sounds of the creek out my front window at night. And even during the day if it has been rainy or there is a snowmelt going on.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:58:22am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Rule of Law!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:58:48am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I guess Freedumb now means Get Out of Jail Free Card for anarchic Conservatives.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:59:40am

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is what deterrence is about: “Don’t come to America if you are sick!”

Not when it’s kids who never heard the word ‘deterrence’ in their little lives. This is killing, with a badge.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 10:59:54am

re: #317 plansbandc

“What do the illegals expect coming to our America illegally??!??!?!”

/

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plansbandc  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:00:46am

re: #333 wrenchwench

It is sanctioned killing. And I am asthmatic. What a terrifying way to die.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:01:05am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Drumpf is basically daring the 2020 Dem nominee to use his abuse of the pardon power against him. I hope they do.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:01:47am

re: #324 makeitstop

You have to think so!

Maybe they’re waiting for Mueller to finish up and then deliver the crushing blow.

The one thing I hope for with all my heart is that one day this ignorant Asshole From Queens TM has it made clear that he’s not bigger than democracy.

The realization will probably kill him on the spot.

It appears we are on a bit of an island here at LGF makeitstop.

I’m now getting depressed again by some of this. Never before in my life has being optimistic led to me getting depressed.

I love the Lizards, but sometimes…

Time to bug out. I gotta find something positive to do.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:01:52am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Freeing dangerous, lawbreaking criminals to own the libs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:02:44am

re: #333 wrenchwench

Not when it’s kids who never heard the word ‘deterrence’ in their little lives. This is killing, with a badge.

They use the term “deterrence” to hide the sadism behind it.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:08:44am

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They use the term “deterrence” to hide the sadism behind it.

One thing you can’t hide is when you’re crippled inside.

—a famous philosopher

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:10:37am
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Weaselone  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:11:07am

re: #314 ObserverArt

I’ve always thought there are contingency plans going on it the background. There has to be a group of people from both parties, the military and big business working to figure out what the hell is going on and what can be done about it.

Too many people of power have too much to lose to let this country fall.

There’s no psuedoilluminati out there to step in and save us. Maybe, the military would step in as some sort of last ditch effort to stave off complete societal collapse. That’s pretty much it.

The mistake is believing that the people of power are that much different than the rest of the population. Those engaged in politics are already involved and trying to forward their interests, many in a vary narrow and short-sighted way, some more broadly, but seemingly oblivious to the fact that getting what they want is actually going to send the country down the tubes. The rest will get involved only when things begin to impact them personally, the people they know or the causes they hold dear.

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dangerman  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:11:13am

re: #265 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m going offline for awhile. The news is just too depressing. I think the worst part is that our president is a moron and a huge segment of America either doesn’t know or doesn’t care.

take care people

whether any of you notice or not, i, too, have been offline for a bit

the barrage was too much

i started to dip my toe into some news. just a bit.

and even lurk here from time to time
when im not logged in i cant engage so dont have to think nearly as much

i thought this was important:

i eat a can of sardines (in tomato sauce) about 2-3 times a week - over mixed roasted vegetables and rice

that is all and carry on

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:11:47am

re: #337 ObserverArt

It appears we are on a bit of an island here at LGF makeitstop.

I’m now getting depressed again by some of this. Never before in my life has being optimistic led to me getting depressed.

I love the Lizards, but sometimes…

Time to bug out. I gotta find something positive to do.

Don’t go away on my account! I don’t disagree that there are people who have plans to deal with this crisis—I just meant that the GOP will not be part of that, and in fact will obstruct every effort to save us.

I think they’ll go down. Think of the Soviet Union in 1953, when the Party and the Military ganged up against Beria and broke up the MVD. I think something like that will happen. The GOP base, of course will go apeshit, and there will be bloodshed, but they’re much less potent a force than they think they are.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:12:00am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

Can SovCits even recognize a pardon?

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:13:39am

Children (and I’m not talking about the Parkland kids):

Emma González, David Hogg and Cameron Kasky became household names after they survived a mass shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. Seventeen of their classmates and teachers were not so lucky. Their immediate calls for action took the country by storm, sparking coordinated school walkouts and March for Our Lives protests nationwide. They have taken their message on the road, along with several of their peers, to tour the country speaking out for common sense gun law reforms and to register voters ahead of the critical 2018 midterm election.

The Utah Gun Exchange, which describes itself as a “patriot marketplace,” is taunting these teens and their supporters by following them around in armored vehicle that has a giant replica machine gun, a replica that is complete with a propane-powered mechanism to create realistic-sounding machine gun fire. They are attempting to attend the teen town halls. Can you imagine traumatizing mass shooting survivors in this way? Well, buckle up because after police stops in New York and Chicago, Bryan Melchior, co-owner of the Utah Gun Exchange, claims that he’s the real victim here. From the Salt Lake Tribune:

Melchior believes his encounters with police in New York and Chicago have been a violation of his civil rights.

“The hostile environment created toward gun advocates in the Northeast is not unlike the hostile environments a black man would have experienced in the South hundreds of years ago,” he said Tuesday.

The company posted a video of an interaction between dozens of New York City police officers and attorneys who said the replica Browning machine gun violated a city ordinance around fake guns. While the gun had a pride flag attached to its barrel, it didn’t have other markings that are required to distinguish between real guns from fakes, police said in the video.

Melchior was arrested “in a very technical sense,” one NYPD official said in the video, which was taken during an LGBTQ Pride parade late last month.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:13:53am
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Weaselone  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:16:49am

re: #323 Sufficient unto the day…

I disagree. The goodguys have absolute faith that the American public will come through. The badguys are convinced that no matter how bad it gets, they can rent some goons to make sure they’re OK.

The good guys could be proven correct. In this day and age, the bad guys are almost certainly wrong. Humans are fragile

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:16:54am

re: #348 Charles Johnson

I thought this creep had already been confirmed 51-48, with Manchin the lone Dem in favor??

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:18:22am

re: #342 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

At least this “only” involves a county executive race, not a congressional seat.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:21:22am

Well, this should induce some entertaining tweets

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:22:18am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, this should induce some entertaining tweets

For a significant chunk of America, that includes Reagan.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:25:46am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, this should induce some entertaining tweets

Obviously a fake news, not legitimate, rigged poll.

/

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:26:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:27:06am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Poll: Americans rank Obama as the best president in their lifetime

let us go back and look;

GW Bush; 2008 collapse, nucular, Mission Accomplished, misunderestimated
Clinton: rather unresponsible behavior for a married adult man in the White House
GHW Bush: read my lips, recession
Reagan: Iran-Contra

And Obama? restoring the economy, killing bin Laden while instituting ACA and repairing our tarnished image abroad.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:29:49am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

let us go back and look;

GW Bush; 2008 collapse, nucular, Mission Accomplished, misunderestimated
Clinton: rather unresponsible behavior for a married adult man in the White House
GHW Bush: read my lips, recession
Reagan: Iran-Contra

And Obama? restoring the economy, killing bin Laden while instituting ACA and repairing our tarnished image abroad.

I never thought Reagan could be surpassed as the worst President in history—then we got tRump. I’ve considered the US a failed state ever since Reagan got elected.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:30:10am

Tell us something we don’t know, Old Source from Moscow…

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:30:56am

Hmmm:

Although there’s another number there that’s remained remarkably consistent, and way the hell too high :/ (then again, the times he dipped below 40% were when the GOPers looked like they couldn’t pass so much as gas. Once the Tax Scam legislation went through, he once again picked up support from the “we just want a win” GOPer types. I suspect the number can’t possibly go below 40% again unless economic and health insurance woes deliver a few solid kicks to voters’ collective nutsacks.)

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:31:24am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, this should induce some entertaining tweets

[Embedded content]

If Obama was a republican, Sean Hannity would personally be chiseling his likeness into Mount Rushmore.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:33:56am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, this should induce some entertaining tweets

[Embedded content]

Easily of mine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:35:25am

re: #357 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I never thought Reagan could be surpassed as the worst President in history—then we got tRump. I’ve considered the US a failed state ever since Reagan got elected.

We are paying for a lot of the things that started under Reagan; cuts in education and infrastructure spending, the decline of unions and the rise of corporate influence in media and politics. Those will take decades and decades to recover from.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:35:47am

“… Clark County District Court Judge Elizabeth Gonzalez ordered the delay Wednesday morning in response to a challenge by New Jersey-based drugmaker Alvogen, which says it doesn’t want its product, midazolam, used in “botched” executions.

The order is the first time a drug company has successfully sued to halt an execution in the U.S. involving one of its drugs. A previous challenge in Arkansas was unsuccessful. …”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:37:36am

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are paying for a lot of the things that started under Reagan; cuts in education and infrastructure spending, the decline of unions and the rise of corporate influence in media and politics. Those will take decades and decades to recover from.

I’ve said it before but Trump is really Reagan with a worse attitude and the inability to delegate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:42:02am

“… Ocasio-Cortez, who sent shockwaves through the Democratic Party when she won her district’s primary over incumbent Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.) last month, apparently also won the Reform Party’s write-in primary in the city’s 15th Congressional District.

The Reform Party’s write-in primary was mainly a political stunt in which they opened up 230 polling stations across two New York City congressional districts and invited unaffiliated voters to submit their preferred candidates, according to local outlet City & State New York.

In both of the congressional districts, the 15th and the 7th, there were no Reform Party candidates or Democratic challengers. …”

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2018 • 11:57:24am

re: #355 Charles Johnson

Trump’s actions are precisely what one would expect if they are either complicit or compromised and having to do Russia’s bidding for them. You’d have to go out of your way to attack allies, start trade wars with strategic partners, including same NATO allies, and undermine our working relationships and soft power all around the globe all while pissing away leadership role in every international agency and role we’ve been involved with for 70+ years.

Into that vacuum steps none other but Russia. China gets some ancillary benefits too, but the trade war specifically harms them and helps Russia, again showing who is really pulling the strings here.

There’s no multidimensional chess here by Trump. He’s getting his strings pulled by Russia and he’s overtly indicating his intentions every single day - this day more than most.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2018 • 12:02:55pm

re: #345 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Don’t go away on my account! I don’t disagree that there are people who have plans to deal with this crisis—I just meant that the GOP will not be part of that, and in fact will obstruct every effort to save us.

I think they’ll go down. Think of the Soviet Union in 1953, when the Party and the Military ganged up against Beria and broke up the MVD. I think something like that will happen. The GOP base, of course will go apeshit, and there will be bloodshed, but they’re much less potent a force than they think they are.

Sorry, didn’t see your comment.

It’s not you…it’s me.

I’ve always been a political animal and never has it been so tough to try to remain positive.

I’ve always believed in America being good, and if threats inside this nation come up, the good guys put it down.

To hear others now say that is not going to happen and to be sure it will all turn to crap is just real hard to take.

So sometimes it is just better to go away and await developments.

It was my mistake for mentioning it. I should just log out and stay away.

My apologies.


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