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Patricia Kayden  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:06:59pm
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ipsos  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:11:22pm

Can we buy a new administration? The current one isn’t meeting my needs.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:12:03pm

It’s a good day to pick up Jeff Sharlet’s The Family

“[Sharlet] has managed to infiltrate the most influential and secretive fundamentalist network in America, and ground his reporting in the most astute and original explanation of fundamentalism I’ve ever read… . Indispensable.” (Hanna Rosin, former religion reporter for the Washington Post and author of God’s Harvard: A Christian College on a Mission to Save the Nation)

“I was once an insider’s insider within fundamentalism. Unequivocally: Sharlet knows what he’s talking about… . Those who want to be un-deceived (and wildly entertained) must read this disturbing tour de force.” (Frank Schaeffer, author of Crazy For God: How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back)

“Jeff Sharlet provides a fascinating account of how part of American Christianity has gone off on a dangerous tangent. It should worry everyone—maybe especially those of us who understand the Gospels to be a call to help the powerless, not prop up the powerful.” (Bill McKibben, author of The End of Nature and The Bill McKibben Reader)

amazon.com

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:12:14pm

My toady congresscritter is all concerned and shit.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:14:39pm

I’m so old, I remember when Michelle Obama putting her hand on the queen’s back was disgraceful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:14:50pm

Amazon is still fucked up. They have pictures of cute dogs on their “Oops shit is fucked up!” page.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:15:07pm

re: #2 ipsos

Can we buy a new administration? The current one isn’t meeting my needs.

Apparently not.

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lawhawk  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:15:16pm

Holy shitsnacks. The Daily News cover for tomorrow….

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:16:04pm

re: #2 ipsos

Can we buy a new administration? The current one isn’t meeting my needs.

Amazon regrets to inform you products sold by third party sellers are not guaranteed by Amazon.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:16:23pm

I want to know who Mariia Butina got down with.

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lawhawk  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:16:54pm

For those looking for good deals:

20 best deals.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:17:03pm

re: #10 Joe Bacon 🌹

I want to know who Mariia Butina got down with.

She screwed us all.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:17:42pm

Is tomorrow when Trump relays Putin’s terms and conditions to Congress for not shutting down our many power grids?

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:17:57pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:18:36pm

Trump is getting his salad tossed by Sean Hannity now. It’s a Human Centipede of Treason.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:18:41pm

re: #12 Unshaken Defiance

She screwed us all.

Understatement of the Century.

Nothing would give me more pleasure than to find out she got down with Franky Graham Cracker!

BTW, Why did Dana Loesch block me after I asked about that Ru$$ian ¢a$h?

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:19:34pm

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

You are on a roll tonight.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:19:36pm

Daniel Dale is live-Tweeting the salad toss.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:19:37pm

Hannity chryons comin’ in hot!

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:20:25pm
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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:20:25pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

“That’s not a ring!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:21:25pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Hannity chryons comin’ in hot!

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Hannity says Trump doesn’t believe in “kissing the rings of dictators.”

No messing around with symbolic rings, he goes directly to the naked butthole.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:23:28pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:23:29pm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:23:33pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:23:37pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

No messing around with symbolic rings, he goes directly to the naked butthole.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:24:07pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:25:15pm

re: #14 jaunte

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Agree wholeheartedly. My only question is can everything he’s done (Tax law, judicial appointments, etc.) be reversed and rescinded when Trump is determined to be illegitimate at the conclusion of Mueller’s investigation? Nothing he’s done while in the White House should be left standing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:26:34pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

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You can’t make me click on that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:28:58pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Proud of my DSA pals standing up to the thugs!

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makeitstop  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:28:59pm

re: #2 ipsos

Can we buy a new administration? The current one isn’t meeting my needs.

Order in the next 45 minutes to get delivery by Friday!

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:29:11pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:29:36pm

re: #28 Patricia Kayden

Agree wholeheartedly. My only question is can everything he’s done (Tax law, judicial appointments, etc.) be reversed and rescinded when Trump is determined to be illegitimate at the conclusion of Mueller’s investigation? Nothing he’s done while in the White House should be left standing.

It’s pretty clear we’re going to be in uncharted waters very soon. The president, most of his cabinet, GOP congressional leadership, a significant fraction of the GOP caucus and a bunch of right wing judges are all in on it. It seems inconceivable for this to play out in any normal fashion once the charges really start flying.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:31:56pm
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makeitstop  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:32:38pm

re: #10 Joe Bacon 🌹

I want to know who Mariia Butina got down with.

All of them, Katie.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:34:52pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:36:58pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:38:17pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:39:09pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:40:12pm

To the point

Reminds me of the Viet Cong prisoner being shot in the head. It was captured on film.
Image: saigon-execution-by-edward-adams.jpg

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:42:12pm

I wonder if Biff will cut their funding now

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:43:27pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:43:49pm

Maybe they could call themselves something like, “The Congressional Progressive Caucus.” Oh, wait.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:44:03pm

Work it

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:44:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:48:15pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:50:03pm

Welp.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:51:10pm

This addled cockswain has shit for brains.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:52:02pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:52:39pm

Paraphrasing Rachel just now:
It is a national security crisis and we usually look to the President. This time, the national security crisis is the President.

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:53:56pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I’m assuming they mean cocky in describing how the meeting today went.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:55:11pm

re: #50 JordanRules

Paraphrasing Rachel just now:
It is a national security crisis and we usually look to the President. This time, the national security crisis is the President.

…AND the entire RepubliKKKlan Party!

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:55:26pm

re: #51 Belafon

I’m assuming they mean cocky in describing how the meeting today went.

Giphy

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:55:46pm

In case you choose not to click that link

A republican citizenry’s greatest, last-resort duty is to kill those seeking to impose tyranny
Posted on July 14, 2018 by mike
As this week’s end, it seems likely that it is quite near time for killing those involved in the multiple and clearly delineated attempts to stage a coup d’état against the legitimately elected Trump government and thereby kill our republic.

–The week saw the alternative media document nearly 300 incidents of violence against loyal U.S. citizens that have been perpetrated by Democrats and the domestic terrorists that the party and its financial supporters keep on their payrolls. The Americans they are abusing and attacking – even those using concealed carry — have so far held their fire and sucked up the pain, trying to give Trump time to forever eliminate their violent tormentors. The well-armed patriot’s patience does not, and must not, last forever.

–The week saw FBI agent Strzok brazenly lie to the Congress, show his own detestation for everyday Americans – it’s their smell, he says — and display facial and other physical quirks that appeared very reminiscent of a demented beaver, a drug addict, or a loyal Democrat.

–The week saw that the FBI, in the person of Strzok, had refused to investigate a foreign address to which 30,000 e-mails from Hillary Clinton’s unsecured server were delivered. It was made clear that foreign address was not Russian, which surely means that the address was that of the Beijing tyrants who have paid the Democrats to surrender to China U.S. manufacturing industries, intellectual property, and much of its technical military prowess.

–The week saw Strzok describe the sacred FBI practice of briefing the leaders of any U.S. presidential campaign that is threatened by foreign influence/interference. The practice was ignored regarding Trump’s campaign, while the FBI — led by Strzok — assisted the British intelligence service’s (MI6) effort to try to ruin the campaign and then the Trump presidency.

–The week saw, on Friday the 13th, Special Counsel Mueller and his Democratic-apparatchik lawyers indict 12 supposed Russian intelligence officers with a laughable amount of evidence pertaining to their purported involvement in the 2016 election. Mueller’s action is a clear and undeniable effort to ruin President Trump’s coming meeting with Putin. It also ensures the continuation of the drive toward war with Russia that Obama and the EU started in 2013 with their direct and multi-pronged intervention in Ukrainian politics and their subsequent overthrow of the country’s pro-Russian government.

–It is worth noting that Mueller has zero chance of ever getting the Russian GRU officers into court, and that the FBI’s files — as well as those of other components of the intelligence community — are packed with the names of GRU officers. This reality leaves open the likelihood that Mueller’s pro-Hillary posse made up the list by randomly picking names, just as they did with the last list of indicted Russians.

–The week saw FBI’s Strzok make it clear under oath that the so-called “Trump Dossier” was available in the FBI and the Department of Justice in multiple copies, each with differing content. He described, in other words, nothing less than an in-process movie script that showed work of the hands of many notoriously anti-Trump writers, each trying to outdo the other in their lying and treasonous intent.

–This week saw DoJ’s Rod Rosenstein request the country’s 93 U.S. Attorneys to select three “federal prosecutors” for his use in vetting Supreme Court-nominee Brett Cavanaugh. Clearly, Rosenstein intends to use the prosecutors to invent a “crime” – as he did with Mueller’s investigation — that can be used to delay or stop Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination, and ruin his reputation and career in either event.

–This week saw Strzok admit that he and his paramour used their personal communication devices for government business and that the FBI allowed them to decide which of the messages thereon dealt with official business and which dealt with their sexual adventures (Good God, let there be no videos of that greasy swamp fest.) This is precisely the same biased-for-Democrats discretion that Strzok and the FBI – including weasel-boys Comey and McCabe — allowed Hillary Clinton and her reptilian coterie, before affording them the opportunity to destroy the remainder by smashing computers and mobile phones.

–This week saw Strzok again demonstrate that the FBI is not corrupt, lawless, and deceitful only at the top, but from top to bottom. Strzok repeatedly emphasized the large number of his colleagues who were involved in the Clinton and Russian investigations, noted that they were of one mind with him, and how they were — as he said he is — honorable, truth-telling, and law-abiding. Since no whistle-blower of any consequence has ever come forward from the FBI’s rank-and-file to disclose and describe to Americans what clearly is the dark, anti-constitutional, and fascist heart of the FBI, it can only be concluded that the entire FBI is in need of rapid and merciless eradication

Finally, this week saw a significant and quickening advance toward the moment when those millions of well-armed citizens who voted for Trump, and who have been abused or wounded by Democrats, their Antifa-thugs, and their thug-civil servants for exercising their franchise to elect Trump, cannot be, in good conscience, patient for much longer.

Fortunately, they have in hand a long and very precise list of the names and photographs of those who hate and threaten them, their families, their way-of-life, their liberty, their livelihoods and their republic. No self-respecting and determined-to-remain-independent citizenry can let themselves forever be held hostage by thug-civil-servants like Strzok, Comey, McCabe, Page, and Rosenstein; worshipers of tyranny, like the Democratic members of Congress, the Clintons, the FBI, and the Obamas; apparent traitors like Brennan, Hayden, and Clapper; all of the mainstream media; and the tens of thousands of government-admitted-and-protected, violent, criminal, and illegal immigrants.

American patriots have so far, praise God, been remarkably disciplined in not responding to tyranny and violence with violence. For now they must remain so, armed but steady. But the time for such patience is fast slipping away; indeed, that patience is quickly becoming an obviously rank and self-destructive foolishness. If Trump does not act soon to erase the above noted tyranny and tyrants, the armed citizenry must step in and eliminate them.

It is, of course, far better if Trump does so, and I pray and believe he will. That said, the sheer, nay, utter joy and satisfaction to be derived from beholding great piles of dead U.S.-citizen tyrants is not one that will be missed if Trump does not soon do the necessary to save the republic. But if he fails, the citizenry must act to ensure that Hillary’s predictive words are proven correct. “If Trump wins,” she apparently said, “we will all hang.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:56:28pm

re: #32 jaunte

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that’s a nice rabbit hole thread, innit?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:57:05pm

Beautiful protest going on outside of the White Whore House!

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:57:09pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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Wow

And they probably think that forced alliteration is cute. It’s corny writing on top of continuing in their tradition towards appeasement.

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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:57:44pm

re: #53 teleskiguy

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How can I stop that gif?

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:58:35pm

re: #58 petesh

How can I stop that gif?

You can’t. I can put it behind a clicker if it bothers you.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 6:58:54pm

re: #58 petesh

How can I stop that gif?

I’ve tried every key combination and can’t stop it.

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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:00:33pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

You can’t. I can put it behind a clicker if it bothers you.

It’s not as annoying as noisy autoplay video, but I really do not like it.

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freetoken  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:01:37pm

I tried searching a couple of times for items on Amazon today, but unfortunately I’m one of those who got the sorry-something-went-wrong page.

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EPR-radar  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:01:54pm

re: #54 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s the mating call of the Resentful American Bigot in all its tedious glory.

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gocart mozart  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:02:06pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:02:10pm

re: #58 petesh

How can I stop that gif?

Space bar should pause it

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MsJ  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:02:13pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:03:03pm

re: #62 freetoken

I tried searching a couple of times for items on Amazon today, but unfortunately I’m one of those who got the sorry-something-went-wrong page.

Amazon server gerbils are on their coffee break.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:04:25pm

re: #61 petesh

It’s not as annoying as noisy autoplay video, but I really do not like it.

Sorry, I couldn’t help but think of this.

Lots of commenting today so it should be scrolled off your screen shortly. Unless you’re using a really long monitor. LOL

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:04:54pm

I post GIFs here from giphy.com mostly. I embed them using Charles’ “embed video” button If they’re not going to induce seizures. They’re stupid little animations that I think provide color and humor. But I guess they’re annoying. I’ll put them behind a clicker from now on, I guess. I’ve been posting GIFs here for some time now, I guess they’re not welcome. 🤨

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:05:25pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

I post GIFs here from giphy.com mostly. I embed them using Charles’ “embed video” button If they’re not going to induce seizures. They’re stupid little animations that I think provide color and humor. But I guess they’re annoying. I’ll put them behind a clicker from now on, I guess. I’ve been posting GIFs here for some time now, I guess they’re not welcome. 🤨

Most of them don’t autoplay.

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austin_blue  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:05:29pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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For God sakes, Russia’s GDP is smaller than Texas’s.

There ARE a Regional Power. They can’t afford to be anything else. But Trump has pimped Putin up to World Power status. North Korea (which has a GDP of $12.75), too.

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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:06:25pm

re: #70 Belafon

Most of them don’t autoplay.

Yeah, I LIKE them, I just don’t like my screen being out of my control.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:06:29pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:07:18pm

Leadership……

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:08:33pm

Charles allows personal GIFs (500kb max) to be displayed here. I have one in my image library I use a lot.

Popcorn Time!
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:09:18pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:10:36pm

re: #76 JordanRules

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:10:36pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:12:49pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

And no, I don’t think you can stop that one either.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:13:18pm

Oh she was about to bounce!

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:13:57pm
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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:14:13pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

And no, I don’t think you can stop that one either.

No biggie. I’ll live. Permanently scarred and limping, but put me in, coach, I can handle it. :-)

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:14:48pm

re: #70 Belafon

Most of them don’t autoplay.

Actually all of them do if it’s not in a tweet.

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gocart mozart  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:15:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:16:29pm
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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:17:56pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:18:25pm

re: #84 gocart mozart

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A deal for what you gasbag?!?!? You just like repeating your 1980s bidness buzzwords. STFU traitor.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:20:06pm

re: #82 petesh

No biggie. I’ll live. Permanently scarred and limping, but put me in, coach, I can handle it. :-)

Well if it’s no biggie to you I’m going to keep posting the same way I have for a while now. I got some flak a while back ‘cause I posted a GIF and it was, I guess, headache inducing for some. I’m pretty mindful of the GIFs I post here, I don’t want to give any of you headaches! The fact is the GIFs I post, whether they be in my LGF Image Library or embedded from another website, they autoplay no matter what, that’s kind of what a GIF does.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:20:49pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

I like the ones pronounced with a hard g.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:21:47pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:22:07pm

re: #89 jaunte

That is always how I’ve pronounced it. JIF is a brand of peanut butter.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:22:10pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

Well if it’s no biggie to you I’m going to keep posting the same way I have for a while now. I got some flak a while back ‘cause I posted a GIF and it was, I guess, headache inducing for some. I’m pretty mindful of the GIFs I post here, I don’t want to give any of you headaches! The fact is the GIFs I post, whether they be in my LGF Image Library or embedded from another website, they autoplay no matter what, that’s kind of what a GIF does.

Space bar should pause the GIF.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:22:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:22:46pm

keep talking…

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:23:26pm

re: #92 wheat-dogg

Space bar should pause the GIF.

All that does for me is scroll the page down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:24:07pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:24:23pm

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:25:19pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

That is always how I’ve pronounced it. JIF is a brand of peanut butter.

“jif” is how the guy who created the format pronounced it.

Do you pronounce SCUBA “scubba” because the u stands for underwater?

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:25:30pm
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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:26:02pm

Gjif.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:26:46pm
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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:26:49pm

re: #92 wheat-dogg

Space bar should pause the GIF.

It didn’t for me. But after a while, I scrolled on past it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:27:06pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:27:15pm

re: #98 Belafon

“jif” is how the guy who created the format pronounced it.

Do you pronounce SCUBA “scubba” because the u stands for underwater?

Of course! I’m not an idiot!

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:28:39pm

re: #98 Belafon

“jif” is how the guy who created the format pronounced it.

Do you pronounce SCUBA “scubba” because the u stands for underwater?

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:29:01pm

I also pronounce NATO as N -aa- TO because Atlantic is a short ‘a.’

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:31:34pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:31:38pm

Now are the Republicans actually going to do anything?

I doubt it.

I’ve said all along that there is a lot of Kompromat Putin has on Republicans.

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austin_blue  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:32:02pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

I also pronounce NATO as N -aa- TO because Atlantic is a short ‘a.’

I pronounce it SN-AH-FUH, but it doesn’t change the meaning. (Lying.)

Because today was most definitely a SNAFU.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:32:22pm

re: #108 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now are the Republicans actually do anything?

I doubt it.

I’ve said all along that there is a lot of Kompromat Putin has on Republicans.

Have to agree.

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:32:25pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

I also pronounce NATO as N -aa- TO because Atlantic is a short ‘a.’

What does the sound of the second a in Atlantic correspond to? It’s not quite an a or and e.

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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:32:31pm

No, no, anything but the gif pronunciation wars! It’s gotta be 30 years I’ve been grappling with (actually, ignoring) them.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:33:13pm

re: #111 Belafon

What does the sound of the second a in Atlantic correspond to? It’s not quite an a or and e.

Definitely a short ‘a.’

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:33:27pm

re: #97 Joe Bacon 🌹

Facebook Post

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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:34:20pm

re: #112 petesh

No, no, anything but the gif pronunciation wars! It’s gotta be 30 years I’ve been grappling with (actually, ignoring) them.

Yup, just checked. Origin 1987 at CompuServe, which is where I had my email & bulletin board access. 73227, you may call me, for short.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:34:57pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:35:06pm

Let’s think of all the possible reasons for Trump’s suprise meeting with Congress Wednesday.

Fire Rosenstein

Fire Mueller

Tell them all to fuck off with their “anti-Russian lies”

Announce that the Russians are coming in to question Mueller and team, Rosenstein, Hillary, Obama etc.

Resign (JK)

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:35:48pm

re: #108 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now are the Republicans actually going to do anything?

I doubt it.

I’ve said all along that there is a lot of Kompromat Putin has on Republicans.

I do agree with the assessment that they don’t need anything on McConnell. He’s been doing everything he can to get to this point, and he’s going to take as much advantage as he can to imprint his white supremacist mark on everything.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:36:09pm

re: #117 GlutenFreeJesus

You’re missing one. Fire Jeff Sessions.

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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:36:41pm

re: #117 GlutenFreeJesus

Let’s think of all the possible reasons for Trump’s suprise meeting with Congress Wednesday.

Fire Rosenstein

Fire Mueller

Tell them all to fuck off with their “anti-Russian lies”

Announce that the Russians are coming in to question Mueller and team, Rosenstein, Hillary, Obama etc.

Resign (JK)

I am thinking that the “fire Mueller” move is coming up, and that almost certainly means firing Rosenstein.

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:37:32pm

re: #120 petesh

I am thinking that the “fire Mueller” move is coming up, and that almost certainly means firing Rosenstein.

Which will once again drive him nuts, since there are laws in place that will allow Mueller to freeze that firing.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:38:04pm

re: #108 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now are the Republicans actually do anything?

I doubt it.

I’ve said all along that there is a lot of Kompromat Putin has on Republicans.

Maybe a few but I honestly think most of them are just racist and fascist friendly.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:38:05pm

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Kragar  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:38:52pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:39:12pm

re: #121 Belafon

Which will once again drive him nuts, since there are laws in place that will allow Mueller to freeze that firing.

He could get rid of the Mueller investigation by firing Jeff Sessions, though the lackey he appoints who’ll promise to end the Special Counsel investigation needs to be approved by the Senate, so…

My money’s on Jeff Sessions’ days being numbered as Attorney General.

edit: grammar

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:40:16pm

re: #124 Kragar

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I imagine a lot of conservative activists have ties to her in more ways than one.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:40:24pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:40:47pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:41:04pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I imagine a lot of conservative activists have ties to her in more ways than one.

OR…

…maybe she tied them up… 😏

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:41:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:42:48pm

re: #130 JordanRules

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He’s got authoritarian dreams. I never seen any President talk that way.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:43:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:43:31pm

Honest fear, Trump gets assassinated somehow and President Pence makes things even worse.

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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:44:29pm

re: #121 Belafon

Which will once again drive him nuts, since there are laws in place that will allow Mueller to freeze that firing.

Tell me more.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:44:47pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Honest fear, Trump Mueller gets assassinated somehow and President Pence Trump makes things even worse by using that as a launchpad for MORE MURDERS.

This is what I am afraid of.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:45:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:45:21pm

re: #132 JordanRules

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That Peter Benlow article about him being Kremlin property since the 80’s isn’t sounding so crazy.

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gocart mozart  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:45:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:45:49pm

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

This is what I am afraid of.

That too VB. I’m worried

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:46:06pm
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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:46:57pm
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Teukka  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:47:51pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Honest fear, Trump gets assassinated somehow and President Pence makes things even worse.

[tinfoil]Pence is the real Russian asset.[/tinfoil]

Seriously, it’s an old Kremlin ploy…

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:48:05pm

Thread!

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:48:14pm

re: #140 JordanRules

“And I tell you, I thought it was a really amazing time … I thought that President Putin was very, very strong.”

And all the brainwashed idiot followers of the big idiot nod their heads and mumble “Putin strong; very very strong.”

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:50:05pm

re: #144 jaunte

And all the brainwashed idiot followers of the big idiot nod their heads and mumble “Putin strong; very very strong.”

I will never forget this graph.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:50:29pm

No wonder Putin’s agents are so hot to get “the server.”

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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:50:57pm
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austin_blue  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:52:29pm

re: #130 JordanRules

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Gee, “the past”.

How far does that go? If you’re talking 1,000 years, I’d be all “Okay!”.

If you are talking since the Cuban Missile Crisis, I’d be like “Umm…ermm I’d like to sit down and discuss certain aspects of that”.

If you are talking the last thirty months, during which time the Russian Intelligence Services directly torpedoed an American election and helped put this Cheetoh-dusted monstrosity of a spunktrumpet into the WH, I’ll kindly say to go fuck yourself in the ass with a pickaxe, both ends.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:52:46pm
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Belafon  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:53:03pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:53:39pm

re: #58 petesh

How can I stop that gif?

Reload the comment.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:54:02pm
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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:55:07pm

re: #151 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Reload the comment.

Thanks! That does work.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:56:27pm

re: #140 JordanRules

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Well ladies and gentlemen, I not only contend that John Wayne Gacy not only didn’t kill those bodies found in the crawl space but he’s one good looking defendant.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:57:11pm
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calochortus  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:58:02pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

I post GIFs here from giphy.com mostly. I embed them using Charles’ “embed video” button If they’re not going to induce seizures. They’re stupid little animations that I think provide color and humor. But I guess they’re annoying. I’ll put them behind a clicker from now on, I guess. I’ve been posting GIFs here for some time now, I guess they’re not welcome. 🤨

They’re very welcome as long as they can be turned off one way or another. Behind a clicker would seem to be the way to do that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:58:36pm

re: #155 Unshaken Defiance

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UD, love ya and no fan of communism but Putin isn’t a communist. He’s like Trump but actually intelligent, his ideology is himself & his cronies.

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stpaulbear  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:58:55pm

re: #152 jaunte

Hopefully no one gave him an ambien.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 16, 2018 • 7:59:57pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Have to agree.

Still think they’re just traitors. No outside influence required.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:00:57pm

re: #159 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Still think they’re just traitors. No outside influence required.

There’s usually some outside influence but I do remember ideology being one of the reasons that people get turned.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:02:14pm

A meme from just 3 years ago, when wingnuts defined “Treason” as “Being POTUS While Black”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:02:21pm
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Kragar  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:02:27pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:03:03pm

I wonder if I can find a British bookie who will bet on my prediction of thousands of indictments from Mueller? Say, two thousand by the end of 2020? I might plunk for five thousand indictments if the odds are good enough. Legally binding definitions might be tricky, but it may be worth looking into.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:04:32pm

re: #163 Kragar

I love this song!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:04:52pm

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

A meme from just 3 years ago, when wingnuts defined “Treason” as “Being POTUS While Black”

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It’s anaz how much they projected on to Obama was exactly what they’ve end up doing since Trump won.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:05:35pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:05:45pm

re: #89 jaunte

I like the ones pronounced with a hard g.

Not the peanut butter……

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:06:36pm

re: #147 Belafon

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Thank heavens on general principles, and I am personally grateful because CVS handles prescriptions for my HMO, and it would have been very hard if not impossible to get them some other way.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:06:56pm

re: #167 jaunte

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He still has not ever visited the troops. He doesn’t give a damn about this country!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:07:39pm

Meanwhile the brainwashed family still believes that Trump is being set up…

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:07:44pm
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Cheechako  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:08:08pm

re: #170 JordanRules

He still has not ever visited the troops. He doesn’t give a damn about this country!

Don’t the parades on the WH lawn count?
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:08:51pm

re: #170 JordanRules

He still has not ever visited the troops. He doesn’t give a damn about this country!

But wait! My wingnut friends tell me that Trump has visited the troops more often than Obama ever did! He’s the bestest right-wing President ever!

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:09:16pm

re: #174 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

But wait! My wingnut friends tell me that Trump has visited the troops more often than Obama ever did! He’s the bestest right-wing President ever!

Obama obviously golfed more too!

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:09:50pm

re: #173 Cheechako

Don’t the parades on the WH lawn count?
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Remember when he was adamant about rolling tanks and marching troops down Pennsylvania Avenue? I bet that happens in the near future, before he’s either removed from office or elected President for Life.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:10:08pm

re: #174 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

But wait! My wingnut friends tell me that Trump has visited the troops more often than Obama ever did! He’s the bestest right-wing President ever!

Same lies are repeated by my relatives.

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Citizen K  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:10:20pm

re: #175 JordanRules

Obama obviously golfed more too!

Also Obama’s hands were the smallest ever recorded for a president, and he wore way too long ties too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:10:28pm

re: #171 Joe Bacon 🌹

Meanwhile the brainwashed family still believes that Trump is being set up…

I just got into it with a Trumper on my cousin’s TL. Pushed the Hitler is half Jewish bs- so strange since I said nothing about Jews but WWII was used as some excuse not to be friends with the Germans, crap about how Mexico has never been our ally rich coming from someone who thinks Russia needs to be our buds, & ignored me pointing out Trump craps on Canada.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:10:55pm

re: #159 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Still think they’re just traitors. No outside influence required.

I think it’s a combination of bribery, kompromat, and the natural affinity between oligarchs and cheap labor conservatives. Affinity would operate at the highest levels; cabinet, senate and top media shills. Kompromat would augment affinity at those levels and extend downward to some extent, with bribery for the lowest levels, state and county lackeys and low level media, etc. The higher levels would provide an ideal conduit for pay-offs and deals with the lower levels, removing actual Russian operatives one step farther from the masses of low level traitors.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:11:11pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

I just got into it with a Trumper on my cousin’s TL. Pushed the Hitler is half Jewish bs- so strange since I said nothing about Jews but WWII was used as some excuse not to be friends with the Germans, crap about how Mexico has never been our ally rich coming from someone who thinks Russia needs to be our buds, & ignored me pointing out Trump craps on Canada.

Mexico has never been our ally? What the actual FUCK?! Does he/she know that THEY are the ones that told US about the Zimmerman telegram?!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:11:25pm

re: #172 Single-handed sailor

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They have something and I think it may be related to some rumors I hear people from Kentucky talk about.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:11:43pm

re: #54 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Holy shit!

This is why I call them barbarians and not conservatives. Actual conservatives don’t pray for mass murder.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:11:52pm

re: #181 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mexico has never been our ally? What the actual FUCK?! Does he/she know that THEY are the ones that told US about the Zimmerman telegram?!

I actually forgot that but I’m going to throw that in.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:12:18pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:12:30pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I actually forgot that but I’m going to throw that in.

Well, full disclosure: Actually, the British intercepted it. But, the Mexicans did own up to it and apparently they realized that the Germans were full of shit anyway.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:12:44pm

re: #181 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Polly a Homeschooler.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:13:18pm

re: #186 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, full disclosure: Actually, the British intercepted it. But, the Mexicans did own up to it and apparently they realized that the Germans were full of shit anyway.

Ah ok. That sounds more from what I remember

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:13:44pm

re: #186 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, full disclosure: Actually, the British intercepted it. But, the Mexicans did own up to it and apparently they realized that the Germans were full of shit anyway.

Having previous experience with European royalty.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:14:18pm

re: #175 JordanRules

Obama obviously golfed more too!

Obama went to a golf course 333 days over eight years as president. Fuckface Von Clownstick has been at a golf course 121 days of his 537 days as president*.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:14:35pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:15:51pm

Sorry….

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:16:21pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Ah ok. That sounds more from what I remember

I misremembered it because the story I read in the history books was actually the British cover story, where a British agent in Mexico copied the telegram. Somehow that morphed over time into, “Mexican agents disclosed the telegram to the US.” I dunno.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:17:19pm
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petesh  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:17:22pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Obama went to a golf course 333 days over eight years as president. Fuckface Von Clownstick has been at a golf course 121 days of his 537 days as president*.

Ah, but the basketball! How often has Trump shot some hoops? Answer me that!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:17:34pm

re: #189 jaunte

Having previous experience with European royalty.

Maximillian iirc which is why Cinco de Mayo is celebrated too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:18:27pm

re: #192 Ace-o-aces

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Sorry….

Go fuck yourselves you Russian fuckpuppets.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:21:17pm

The Trumporrhoid Cheerleader of the Deplorables (in private tags because reasons)

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:21:19pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:22:29pm

re: #28 Patricia Kayden

Agree wholeheartedly. My only question is can everything he’s done (Tax law, judicial appointments, etc.) be reversed and rescinded when Trump is determined to be illegitimate at the conclusion of Mueller’s investigation? Nothing he’s done while in the White House should be left standing.

No. He is the President until removed from office.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:24:09pm

And Putin dropped that quick little Soros bomb.
It was a damn tag team event with him and Trump. The alt-right is celebrating tonight for sure.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:25:56pm

re: #195 petesh

Ah, but the basketball! How often has Trump shot some hoops? Answer me that!

He gave skiing a whirl in the 80s.

His kids and in-laws were in Aspen last year.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:26:47pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

I bet all the film has been destroyed.

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makeitstop  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:27:24pm
1. I’m not gonna pretend to know the ins and outs of Russian/American relations in the Putin era. Yet, I know it ain’t the Soviet Union, but many of the totalitarian impulses of the Soviet era continue on under the reign of Putin and the oligarchs. Now, during the end of the Cold War, when I became politically aware, I thought the conflict between the United States and the Soviet Union was just pathetic dick-measuring played out on a global scale, with proxy wars and constant threats of nuclear annihilation, not to mention endless espionage on both sides. I have done more than my share of research into the Communist witch hunt by the House Un-American Activities Committee, including the Hollywood Ten (check out John Howard Lawson, a badass motherfucker of a writer as there ever was in that time), as well as the other victims of Red Scares and anti-Communist hysteria.

So I can say without equivocation that, today, at his press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump offered more aid and comfort to Russia than any victim of Joe McCarthy and HUAC ever did. When Trump blamed the United States for, in essence, not doing more to prevent Russia from hacking the DNC and electoral interference, when Trump declared the investigation into Russia’s election fuckery a “disaster for our country” because “I think it’s kept us apart, it’s kept us separated,” when Trump said of his own Director of National Intelligence, “My people came to me, Dan Coates, came to me and some others they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia,” he did more to undermine the United States than all the poor saps that McCarthy, Roy Cohn, and Dick Nixon accused of being spies and traitors combined.

There is a lot of shit I might be naive about when it comes to the filthy world of politics, but I’m pretty sure the president doesn’t get to trust a foreign country over the one he leads. Or, if a president thinks the intelligence agencies have gone rogue, he can fire people. Instead, he deflected to Hillary Clinton’s emails, Peter Strzok, and every other dumbass conspiracy theory that Fox “news” fucked into his addled brain.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:27:26pm

Posting this piece again. I think it’s really important.

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austin_blue  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:28:14pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Obama went to a golf course 333 days over eight years as president. Fuckface Von Clownstick has been at a golf course 121 days of his 537 days as president*.

So Obama spent one out every 8.77 days playing a round of golf. Trump has spent one out of 4.4 days playing a round of golf.

Trump is better at playing golf than Obama by two. Winning!

(Also, Obama was a lazy Negro, and what the hell was he doing playing golf anyway? He should have been running the country, not slacking off!)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:31:52pm

re: #199 jaunte

!

Another hideous act of cultural Marxist terrorism, equivalent to the Burning of Atlanta or at least the Haymarket bombing. /channeling RWNJ media

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:34:02pm

re: #207 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

They run that thing as a two page spread in ADWEEK just behind the front page, and have the nerve to pretend to their viewers they’re not ‘mainstream media.’

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:35:08pm

Predicting an epic shitstorm of tweets from Trump in the morning.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:35:48pm

Well shit. What do we do now?

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ckkatz  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:36:16pm

Reposting this from the previous thread.

Finished watching Rachel Maddow. <*sigh*> Then took a needed break and looked at Amazon Prime Day for a little retail therapy.

Looks like they have the Instant Pot DUO 6qt on sale for $59 plus tax. Official price is $100.

Duo is the second from the bottom of the model lines. There are three sizes 3, 6 and 8 [quart]. Wirecutter recommended it as a good cost versus features option.
thewirecutter.com

Consumer Reports also flags this as a good deal. (Putting a quote as it is behind a paywall.)

“Is it a good deal? Absolutely. This internet darling of a multi-cooker typically sells for $100 from Amazon and retailers such as Target and Walmart, so the Prime Day offer represents a hefty 41 percent discount.”

I have been using the wirecutterdeals twitter feed as a filter. (wirecutter.com is NYT consumer product recommendation website.) They have been identifying Amazon Prime Day items that they had previously recommended.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:36:25pm

re: #203 jaunte

I bet all the film has been destroyed.

I think you are correct. Any footage or pictures of Fuckface Von Clownstick actually sliding down a snowy slope on slippery sticks with clampers is forever lost.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:36:26pm

Brian Williams on MSNBC framing the one-on-one meeting as the ‘missing 2 hours’. He and his guest are correctly highlighting just how ominous and divergent it was. Then you add all of the recent and simultaneous developments swirling about and it’s insane to think we may never know what happened in that private meeting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:36:32pm

Imagine if Mueller got the Pee Tape and totally blindsided Trump with it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:41:08pm

re: #192 Ace-o-aces

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Sorry….

Posted in that thread:

Dennis Prager. Arpaio. ???. Butina. Clarke.

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Teukka  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:41:28pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

Imagine if Mueller got the Pee Tape and totally blindsided Trump with it.

Imagine there are more tapes and the pee tape is the tamest of the lot?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:41:42pm

re: #210 Unshaken Defiance

Well shit. What do we do now?

Fight like hell.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:45:04pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

Imagine if Mueller got the Pee Tape and totally blindsided Trump with it.

We are way past the pee tape having any negative effect on Trump.

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austin_blue  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:46:44pm

re: #210 Unshaken Defiance

Well shit. What do we do now?

Cower.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:47:27pm
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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:48:38pm

re: #212 teleskiguy

I think you are correct. Any footage or pictures of Fuckface Von Clownstick actually sliding down a snowy slope on slippery sticks with clampers is forever lost.

He can barely walk down a staircase. Trump on skis must have been a comedy classic.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:49:52pm

re: #218 GlutenFreeJesus

We are way past the pee tape having any negative effect on Trump.

Absolutely right.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:50:03pm

re: #221 jaunte

Trump on skis must have been a comedy classic.

Fuck yes. 100% truth.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:50:42pm

re: #218 GlutenFreeJesus

We are way past the pee tape having any negative effect on Trump.

I have a feeling if there is a tape it’s a lot darker than a pee tape.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:51:29pm

re: #222 JordanRules

Absolutely right.

Assuming the tape is as represented in the dossier.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:54:05pm

re: #224 jaunte

I have a feeling if there is a tape it’s a lot darker than a pee tape.

Check out this from Khal Wimpo. #679

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:55:29pm

re: #226 teleskiguy

Yes, I saw that earlier. I think it’s worse than that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:56:39pm

re: #226 teleskiguy

Check out this from Khal Wimpo. #679

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:57:10pm

re: #219 austin_blue

Cower.

I may be cower challenged. Just can’t do it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:57:36pm

re: #215 GlutenFreeJesus

Someone needs to photoshop bear arms on all of them.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:57:40pm

re: #227 jaunte

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 16, 2018 • 8:58:55pm

This is not the dumbest thing conservatives believe. That would be their oft-repeated contention that they have all the guns.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:00:32pm

re: #228 GlutenFreeJesus

Dude, that’s fucked up. 🤣

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:00:33pm

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makeitstop  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:00:39pm

re: #227 jaunte

Yes, I saw that earlier. I think it’s worse than that.

Me, too. I’m thinking dead hookers, plural.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:00:48pm

re: #233 teleskiguy

lmao it’s a real book on Amazon.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:01:17pm

re: #231 teleskiguy

I think Putin is perfectly capable of trapping Trump in the Edwin Edwards “dead girl or live boy” scenario, and of the two Trump prefers young girls.

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meteor  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:02:14pm
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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:02:46pm

“Geary had no memory of what happened, and was frantic with horror and worry. Tom Hagen arrived on the scene and promised that the woman had no family, the matter could be safely covered up.”
godfather.wikia.com

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:02:47pm

re: #236 GlutenFreeJesus

Dude! 😩

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Jay C  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:03:32pm

re: #221 jaunte

He can barely walk down a staircase. Trump on skis must have been a comedy classic.

I recall hearing from people in Aspen that The Donald used to ski a lot there when he was married to Ivana: however they all thought he lost his enthusiasm for it because Ivana ( who had been a competition skier ) would (often literally) ski rings around him; and he just HATED being shown up in “public”.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:04:39pm
?noquote

So brazen.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:04:50pm

I wonder if Fuckface Von Clownstick’s Russian-to-English translator is still alive.

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austin_blue  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:06:15pm

I’m with Charles. Thank dog it’s Friday!

(Oh, wait, what? [checks notes] Oh, for fuck’s sake, it’s only Monday!)

What fresh hell awaits us the rest of the week?

Guesses:

DAG gets fired;

New pliant DAG gets appointed;

Mueller gets fired;

FBI chief gets fired over former Siberian furniture salesman being outed as a Russian spy;

New SCOTUS nom gets approved;

Families aren’t reunited;

ICE doubles down on separating families on the sly;

NRA blames Dems for supporting the IC;

InfoWars gets a permenant seat at the WH Press Room; and

David Duke gets a Cabinet Position for the newly created Department of Equivalence.

That’s it, I’m out. Dog help this country, the POTUS is a foreign operative, the tangerine Manchurian candidate.

Why the private meeting? “Why don’t you play a game of solitaire?”, says Vlad. The rest is history. It’s the only reasonable explanation of what happened today.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:06:15pm

A few months back, I mentioned that I wanted to email Obama thanking him. Tonight I finally did it.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:06:55pm

re: #243 teleskiguy

I wonder if Fuckface Von Clownstick’s Russian-to-English translator is still alive.

I would not want to have been one of the 2 translators working this attack on America strategy session.
*shudders*

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:07:29pm

Did I mention The Family?

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makeitstop  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:08:18pm

re: #243 teleskiguy

I wonder if Fuckface Von Clownstick’s Russian-to-English translator is still alive.

I believe you are mistaken, friend. There was no translator present.
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:08:56pm

re: #237 jaunte

I think Putin is perfectly capable of trapping Trump in the Edwin Edwards “dead girl or live boy” scenario, and of the two Trump prefers young girls.

I think that is most likely, and they may have secured the goods in this country or some other jurisdiction where Trump could actually be prosecuted. In contrast, the pee tape would merely be embarrassing, though exquisitely so.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:10:15pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:11:38pm
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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:11:38pm
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ckkatz  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:12:10pm

I tend towards Jim Wright’s take:

And his take on Republican support:

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:13:33pm

re: #248 makeitstop

I believe you are mistaken, friend. There was no translator present.

I forgot. Fuckface Von Clownstick has big brain, adonis DNA, the best words.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:13:36pm

re: #253 ckkatz

Trump does admire Putin, but there’s an added servility that admiration alone doesn’t explain.

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makeitstop  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:14:44pm

re: #254 teleskiguy

I forgot. Fuckface Von Clownstick has big brain, adonis DNA, the best words.

Speaks 80 languages!

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:17:22pm
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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:20:35pm

“… Almost superfluous in the moment, the news media’s job became crucially important in the immediate aftermath.

What happened on that stage needs to be made undeniably clear to every American citizen who isn’t hopelessly lost in denial. (And clearly, many are.)

That job will fall, in part at least, to the American press, which will find itself in the uncomfortable position of calling a spade a spade, with none of the usual recourse to false equivalence or “both sides with equal weight” coverage.

CNN’s Anderson Cooper led the way with his immediate — and memorable — live assessment: “You have been watching perhaps one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president . . . .”

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:21:26pm

Sorry, screwed up the formatting. Reload.

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ckkatz  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:23:52pm

re: #255 jaunte

Trump does admire Putin, but there’s an added servility that admiration alone doesn’t explain.

I agree that Trump shows a lot of servility and submissiveness to Putin. Trump seems to have so many pathological issues. So I tend to go with Occam’s Razor; the simplest explanation.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:25:28pm
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ckkatz  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:26:03pm

re: #257 jaunte

Hmm, looks like I may not go swing dancing tomorrow night after all.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:26:38pm

Rachel was great tonight. She tied Butina and Summit stories together beautifully. She made it plain and of course put it in context with the big picture. That’s exactly what I was hoping for from somebody in the press.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:27:32pm

re: #262 ckkatz

Just bring the music, I’m sure they would enjoy some dancing protest too.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:29:35pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:29:44pm

Rachel reported with the facts and appropriate regard for the gravity of the situation this country finds itself in.

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:31:18pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:34:29pm

I wonder what cloud services platform was hosting the DNC data?

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jaunte  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:37:17pm

Why isn’t Brad Parscale in jail yet?

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Interesting Times  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:39:20pm

re: #10 Joe Bacon 🌹

I want to know who Mariia Butina got down with.

According to photo after photo in this thread, just about every GOPer fucktrumpet you can think of o_O

and it goes on, and on, and on, and on…

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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:40:20pm

If looks could kill …

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:42:38pm

re: #58 petesh

How can I stop that gif?

I use Waterfox and have SuperStop installed. Shift-Esc kills anything moving on a web page. I hate to be reading a page and having shit flashing on the sides of pages.

Now get off my lawn… ;)

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:56:32pm

re: #270 Interesting Times

According to photo after photo in this thread, just about every GOPer fucktrumpet you can think of o_O

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and it goes on, and on, and on, and on…

I dont know how much honeypottin’ and mattress dancing was actually going on but I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that knockin the boots is not the only way female spies operate.
One might be surprised by how much you can get and get away with by turning their misogyny and gender dynamics against them whilst also being groomed at the highest levels of Kremlin espionage. You can get alot done without always giving up the hot pocket.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 9:59:29pm

re: #253 ckkatz

I tend towards Jim Wright’s take:

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I’m starting to think this is the case too. Makes it all the more disgusting.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:02:14pm

re: #271 wheat-dogg

If looks could kill …

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Haha I’ve never seen her look like badass. Im imaging Fred Amirsen’s Johnny Rotten inspired queen on SNL now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:03:04pm

re: #232 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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This is not the dumbest thing conservatives believe. That would be their oft-repeated contention that they have all the guns.

The same Star Parker who ran against Maxine Waters and wound up in third place behind write-ins…

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:06:31pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Haha I’ve never seen her look like badass. Im imaging Fred Amirsen’s Johnny Rotten inspired queen on SNL now.

OG Badass

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:08:55pm

re: #277 JordanRules

OG Badass

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I like her and I’m a guy with an Irish phrase tattooed on my arm lol. She’s awesome. Her son or grandson has their hands full when she dies and she’s more awesome than the first Elizabeth too.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:10:12pm

re: #215 GlutenFreeJesus

Posted in that thread:

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Dennis Prager. Arpaio. ???. Butina. Clarke.

OMG, I don’t want to be superficial, but somebody needs to tell Clarke that the leather-vest over stripes look has never worked for anybody.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:11:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:13:37pm

re: #280 JordanRules

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Hitler needed help to collapse. While Franco lasted forty years. Let’s not be Spain.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:13:46pm
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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:14:40pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Hitler needed help to collapse. While Franco lasted forty years. Let’s not be Spain.

QFT

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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:15:43pm

Meanwhile, in Turkey, the family in power attempts to privatize state assets.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:17:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:17:49pm

re: #282 JordanRules

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Coats should just resign and expose the bastard. I don’t care if it’s only if Trump hurt his ego. Ruin the bastard.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:19:05pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:19:30pm

Checking in from the safety of Canada. Today we are at Muncho Lake Provincial Park.

Across the Alaska Highway from our lodge room was this view earlier.

Is there gold here in the Klondike?
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:20:07pm

re: #288 Anymouse 🌹

Checking in from the safety of Canada. Today we are at Muncho Lake Provincial Park.

Across the Alaska Highway from our lodge room was this view earlier.

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Nice shot.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:20:34pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

I like her and I’m a guy with an Irish phrase tattooed on my arm lol. She’s awesome. Her son or grandson has their hands full when she dies and she’s more awesome than the first Elizabeth too.

Elizabeth II has made some faux pas, especially after Diana’s death, but all in all she’s done a commendable job as queen. The TV series The Crown captures some of her spirit as a young queen.

To their credit, her parents decided they would not leave London for the countryside, even after the bombings. Elizabeth volunteered as an ambulance driver and mechanic. Can you imagine any of the Trumps putting themselves in harm’s way to benefit their country?

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:22:17pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:23:16pm

re: #215 GlutenFreeJesus

EDIT: Maybe that’s not Dennis? Could be David Keene. And not Arpaio. It’s the unnamed dude in the other photo.

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Teukka  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:23:21pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Hitler needed help to collapse. While Franco lasted forty years. Let’s not be Spain.

Yeah. It is the first fascist leader to trip over his own dick tho…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:24:15pm

re: #290 wheat-dogg

Elizabeth II has made some faux pas, especially after Diana’s death, but all in all she’s done a commendable job as queen. The TV series The Crown captures some of her spirit as a young queen.

To their credit, her parents decided they would not leave London for the countryside, even after the bombings. Elizabeth volunteered as an ambulance driver and mechanic. Can you imagine any of the Trumps putting themselves in harm’s way to benefit their country?

The world was fortunate that her uncle Edward abdicated. I’m sure Trump would have loved to meet him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:25:10pm

re: #293 Teukka

Yeah. It is the first fascist leader to trip over his own dick tho…

Yeah we’re lucky he’s not competent but the GOP money machine that will fight like hell to keep him is.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:25:12pm

re: #288 Anymouse 🌹

The Rocky Mountains. That picture looks like a few places I know of in Colorado.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:26:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:28:11pm

re: #297 Single-handed sailor

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Gee Tucker, who shat in your taco bowl? And yes he is a racist. I hope he lives to see a Hispanic in the WH.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:28:56pm
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freetoken  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:30:00pm

It’s that time of the week again, time to let your wishes fly high:

Win a life-changing
$375 MILLION

Anyway, where there is hope of money, there will be a train of scammers to prey on the hopers:

Sheriff’s department reports phone scams

[…]

• Publishers Clearinghouse — The caller tells the victim they have won millions of dollars, along with other items such as a house or new car. They will tell them that before they can be presented with a check, they must send a certain amount to cover “fees and taxes.” They try to push the victim to make a quick decision by telling them the news media and Publishers Clearinghouse cannot come to your home until the fees are paid. You have to enter their sweepstakes to win.

Mega Millions — This scam involves a victim receiving a phone call telling them they won the Mega Millions lottery. However, the only real way to win the lottery is to buy a ticket. Also, the scammer will ask the victim to help cover the cost of fees associated with the win by purchasing gift cards, which is not legitimate.

[…]

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Teukka  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:30:54pm

Facebook Post

Bet their customers were all loyal trump voters.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:30:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:31:03pm

re: #299 JordanRules

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Go fuck yourself Donny, this is all your fault. I’m tired of winning or the shit stains you get from Vlad you call winning. Good luck with Vlad. You two deserve to be miserable about a changing world together till hopefully political death do you part.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:32:32pm

re: #302 Single-handed sailor

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Impeaching Rosenstein for not completely being Trump’s toadie. Yeah try that one Jim “Pedo Enabler” Jordan

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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:34:48pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

The world was fortunate that her uncle Edward abdicated. I’m sure Trump would have loved to meet him.

When I was in school, we were taught that Edward abdicated because he wanted to be married to a divorced American, and it was religion that compelled his abdication. It’s only been in the last several years that I learned that Wallis was suspected of being a spy for the Nazis, and that she and Edward were palsy-walsy with Hitler, all which horrified Parliament and George’s ministers. The ban against the head of the church marrying a divorcée was a convenient excuse to remove Edward from the throne. He also was later largely sidelined by the rest of the family and the government to keep his pro-Nazi sentiments quiet.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:35:17pm

Been out most of the day but following the news. I’m angry. Disgusted. Sad. But most of all shocked at how so many of our fellow Americans actually thought this rancid traitorous prick should have political power of any kind.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:36:19pm

re: #305 wheat-dogg

When I was in school, we were taught that Edward abdicated because he wanted to be married to a divorced American, and it was religion that compelled his abdication. It’s only been in the last several years that I learned that Wallis was suspected of being a spy for the Nazis, and that she and Edward were palsy-walsy with Hitler, all which horrified Parliament and George’s ministers. The ban against the head of the church marrying a divorcée was a convenient excuse to remove Edward from the throne. He also later largely sidelined by the rest of the family and the government to keep his pro-Nazi sentiments quiet.

Yeah Wallis and Eddie were Nazi fans.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:36:40pm

I can’t help but think about this in the context of the 250k in the streets on a weekday in a country where he isn’t even the “leader”.

Showing the world that the people are not okay with this is another good reason why we should have a much bigger showing of direct protest action in the streets.

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whitebeach  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:36:49pm

re: #237 jaunte

I think Putin is perfectly capable of trapping Trump in the Edwin Edwards “dead girl or live boy” scenario, and of the two Trump prefers young girls.

Trump is perfectly capable of being trapped in a dead-male-burro-with-its-dick-up-Trump’s-ass scenario. What’s important is that there were (allegedly) no STDs involved in the Nam era and in the present day Putin strongly and powerfully denies that there were any cameras or mics in a hotel room anywhere in Russia that night.

9alleged

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whitebeach  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:39:01pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

I like her and I’m a guy with an Irish phrase tattooed on my arm lol. She’s awesome. Her son or grandson has their hands full when she dies and she’s more awesome than the first Elizabeth too.

I was with you until those last nine words.

Just no.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:43:20pm

re: #310 whitebeach

I was with you until those last nine words.

Just no.

I prefer my kinswoman Gracie O’Malley from that era. I’m just not a fan of how Bess I threw Mary Queen of Scots under the bus so quickly. Better than Cromwell tho but I’m not a fan of the Tudors.

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Teukka  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:43:29pm

So, I’m in a chat channel, and someone asks re: the Hawaiian volcano eruption(s): “When will it stop?”
I fire back: “When Pele stops being angered over Trumputin being president over the country the islands now belong to?”

This joke is now placed in the public domain, no warranty, as-is, do not inhale, etc. etc. etc.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:44:21pm

re: #301 Teukka

The best part is where the guy says he is willing to flip on Jesus.

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Teukka  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:45:15pm

re: #313 Ace-o-aces

The best part is where the guy says he is willing to flip on Jesus.

Man, we all remember what happened to Judas!

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:47:18pm

Another possible road that gets you here without a pee tape.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:51:32pm

Says a lot about the America who voted for and support him tbh.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 10:52:47pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:01:15pm

Looking at the market reaction before I hit the sack in a couple minutes.

Hang Seng down 314

Nikkei is up 133

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:02:46pm
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KGxvi  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:03:18pm

re: #316 JordanRules

Someone needs to be the Jamie Lannister to Trump’s Mad King… metaphorically speaking

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:04:26pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Caught it at just the right time (my camera decided to work).

Nice shot.

re: #296 teleskiguy

The Rocky Mountains. That picture looks like a few places I know of in Colorado.

My wife and I were comparing notes in the car of places that neither of us have been to before we married (places we first went to together). Northern British Columbia (we’re at 59 deg 20 min north) is one of those places.

(It is also about as far from my first honeymoon site as you can get … Key West)

It’s nearly 11 pm and the sun is now setting. I’m not sure of the use of Daylight Saving Time this far north.

re: #297 Single-handed sailor

Tucker Carlson says that Mexico has been more successful at interfering in US elections and does it more routinely than Russia by “packing our electorate” pic.twitter.com

— Andrew Lawrence

A variant on the claim of illegal voters. As I recall, those are almost always Republicans, not Mexicans.re: #304 HappyWarrior

Impeaching Rosenstein for not completely being Trump’s toadie. Yeah try that one Jim “Pedo Enabler” Jordan

I’m sure he will try. He needs to deflect from the 2d20 damage coming his way.re: #306 HappyWarrior

Been out most of the day but following the news. I’m angry. Disgusted. Sad. But most of all shocked at how so many of our fellow Americans actually thought this rancid traitorous prick should have political power of any kind.

When people say “We need to run government like a business” they don’t understand this is what running a business sometimes entails (dealing with shady people, stabbing others in the back for gain, reducing costs wherever possible for workers, lots of golf outings for the CEO… .)

I only have 56k download capability here so things are a little slow.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:05:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:20:12pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

Imagine if Mueller got the Pee Tape and totally blindsided Trump with it.

My wife occasionally haunts Polish-language fora. In those, they discuss a second tape made in St. Petersburg, but a lot kinkier things than pee hookers. She says she is unsure where they would get knowledge of a putative second tape.

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Lupin  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:22:20pm

That Trump has old out your country is not news. The big news this morning is the EU-China-Japan meeting. Here are the results (official statement):

EU News

Basically the world is reorganizing around, without and — this is important — against the US. This is big news.

I watched MSNBC and CNN last night (here) and I don’t think they quite grasp the international implications of yesterday’s disaster (or if they do they didn’t spend time on it). The US president is de facto the CIC of US forces. Right now we have a situation where the NATO countries can no longer trust that CIC, and by way of consequence, the US forces on their soil and in joint operations. This is quite a quandary (unprecedented) and the French (especially, since they have the biggest military capability in Europe) are grappling with it. Mark my words, there will be consequences.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:32:59pm

re: #204 makeitstop

I don’t know if Donald Trump is acting as a Russian agent.

However, if I was a Russian agent and I was in his position, I would be pretty much doing everything he is now (except the golf).

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:33:22pm

palate cleanser.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:34:28pm
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ckkatz  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:37:13pm

re: #324 Lupin

That Trump has old out your country is not news. The big news this morning is the EU-China-Japan meeting. Here are the results (official statement):

EU News

Basically the world is reorganizing around, without and — this is important — against the US. This is big news.

I watched MSNBC and CNN last night (here) and I don’t think they quite grasp the international implications of yesterday’s disaster (or if they do they didn’t spend time on it). The US president is de facto the CIC of US forces. Right now we have a situation where the NATO countries can no longer trust that CIC, and by way of consequence, the US forces on their soil and in joint operations. This is quite a quandary (unprecedented) and the French (especially, since they have the biggest military capability in Europe) are grappling with it. Mark my words, there will be consequences.

Lupin, and other overseas lizards, as an American you have my deepest apologies for the betrayals being committed in my name. Like you, I am heartbroken at all the damage being inflicted.

I and the majority didn’t vote for them and we doing what we can here to fix this mess. We shall see where we stand after the November elections and then go from there.

Until then, do what you have to do. And know that we will get through this.

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Lupin  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:38:08pm

Another thought:

You’ve got to get off that “extradite the 12 Russians” meme. You come across as a bunch of yahoos.

First, most countries, by treaty, do NOT extradite their own citizens, period. Russia could extradite Snowden, for example, but it’s not going to extradite Russian citizens, no matter what. If this was a normal criminal matter, say, pedophilia, you’ve got to file charges in the perp’s home country. France often prosecutes French citizens accused of illicit sex tourism on charges filed by the Thai government. Arguing otherwise makes you all sound like idiots.

Two, these are not mere citizens but Russian military personnel, soldiers if you will, that were ordered to attack your country. They are not “criminals” (unless they committed crimes as defined in the Geneva convention, but no one has argued that), no more than any of your forces abroad are. They did their duty, period. At best they would be enemy combatants if caught on US soil.

So stop being ridiculous. It’s not the fault of the GRU if your country is dumb enough to let itself be attacked in such an obvious fashion.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:38:22pm

oops

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:39:18pm

oops, chaser…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:40:04pm

re: #290 wheat-dogg

Elizabeth II has made some faux pas, especially after Diana’s death…

In a country whose history was dogged by the absence of a viable male heir, Diana gave the empire two viable male heirs. The Royal Family was not sufficiently grateful to her womb for that.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:44:50pm
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Lupin  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:46:03pm

re: #328 ckkatz

Lupin, and other overseas lizards, as an American you have my deepest apologies for the betrayals being committed in my name. Like you, I am heartbroken at all the damage being inflicted.

I and the majority didn’t vote for them and we doing what we can here to fix this mess. We shall see where we stand after the November elections and then go from there.

Until then, do what you have to do. And know that we will get through this.

I very much appreciate the thought; you don’t have to apologize; you guys here (and in many many parts of the US) are fighting the good fight. Let me tell you: the demonstrations do help, because they project the image of a strong American resistance abroad.

But as you pointed out, our governments have to deal with what;’s going on now, and what might happen in the even of a crisis. Let’s say, Putin invades Ukraine. Can we trist the US forces stationed here? I don’t know. Neither do you. No one knows. This is a totally unprecedented situation.

What about information sharing? We know that in the past the old USSR got tons of secret info through Philby et al and (I;’m ashamed to admit it) Soviet moles inside our own SDECE. Right now the positions are reversed. Should we share info with you, if there’s a risk of it leaking back to the Russians? I don’t know. Neither do you., etc.

Suppose there’s another 9/11 in the offing, somewhere. How can this poisoned environment impact all of us? I don’t know etc.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:46:11pm

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In a country whose history was dogged by the absence of a viable male heir, Diana gave the empire two viable male heirs. The Royal Family was not sufficiently grateful to her womb for that.

And those heirs are apparently intelligent and personable young men, so unlike their father.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:47:49pm

re: #333 Ace-o-aces

I am afraid what might happen if Trump & Co call out the dogs — local police — to disperse this group.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:48:24pm

re: #334 Lupin

Yes, shit’s fucked up and bullshit.

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teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:49:09pm
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Lupin  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:49:25pm

I know we have different political traditions. Nuff said.

In France ex-president Sarkozy was for a long time the unofficial leader of the opposition to President Hollande. (Until he became embroiled in his own corruption business, which is another story.)

Still I have difficulties explaining to my fellow French why ex-President Obama appears so lackadaisical, fiddling-while-Rome-burns, when your country is being sold out by Trump.

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ckkatz  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:52:00pm

re: #329 Lupin

Another thought:

You’ve got to get off that “extradite the 12 Russians” meme. You come across as a bunch of yahoos.

First, most countries, by treaty, do NOT extradite their own citizens, period. Russia could extradite Snowden, for example, but it’s not going to extradite Russian citizens, no matter what. If this was a normal criminal matter, say, pedophilia, you’ve got to file charges in the perp’s home country. France often prosecutes French citizens accused of illicit sex tourism on charges filed by the Thai government. Arguing otherwise makes you all sound like idiots.

Two, these are not mere citizens but Russian military personnel, soldiers if you will, that were ordered to attack your country. They are not “criminals” (unless they committed crimes as defined in the Geneva convention, but no one has argued that), no more than any of your forces abroad are. They did their duty, period. At best they would be enemy combatants if caught on US soil.

So stop being ridiculous. It’s not the fault of the GRU if your country is dumb enough to let otself be attacked in such an obvious fashion.

You are correct that the GRU personnel are civilian or military in the service of Russia. And it is assumed that they will not be turned over.

The indictments are likely to be more of a political than criminal statement.

I suspect that they serve two purposes.

First to make a statement, short of going to war, that these activities are considered illegal actions against the US. Unlike armed conflict, national responses for cyberattacks are not settled in international custom.

Second it is an internal political statement that hostile and illegal actions were indeed undertaken against the US. Remember that there are certain sectors in the US who have refused to accept that hostile activities against the US occurred.

So what I see is that this is more a statement of what has happened, rather than what needs to be done. Even if both what happened and what needs to be done are quite obvious to you and I.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:53:03pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:53:53pm

re: #339 Lupin

Still I have difficulties explaining to my fellow French why ex-President Obama appears so lackadaisical, fiddling-while-Rome-burns, when your country is being sold out by Trump.

Obama put up with eight years of malicious and nearly unbearable obstructionism and bullshit.

Let him enjoy a well-deserved rest.

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freetoken  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:55:23pm

re: #329 Lupin

There needs to be, I think, or at least I’m coming to think, a coming-to-Nietzsche moment for a great number of Americans who self identify as “liberal” or “progressive” who are running hither-and-thither with attempts to deal with Trump and the Trumpers.

By which I do not mean that one has to accept all of what Nietzsche wrote, but I do mean some specific points:

1) We have to tell our society that God is dead;
2) And then we have to deal with the fallout (from nihilism to violent reactionary-theocratic tendencies.)
3) That appeals to idealism, even utilitarianism, are not really useful.

This can all be too much, but I have contended for some time now that what we are really dealing with (and the Trumpers are an obvious example) is the uncomfortable death of a worldview.

In regards to your statement about the latest 12 Russians indicted - while some may quibble with the assertion that they are just faithful military carrying out orders (e.g., lack of uniforms), still the truth remains that the individuals were simply serving their country (a kleptocracy headed by Putin).

Why so many Americans, the Trumpers, want to embrace this foreign agenda is pretty clear to me - because many Americans don’t want to accept that their cherished beliefs are hollow and perhaps even malignant.

For the armchair philosopher like me it is not a hard thing to think about these things, but then again I’m entering my golden years of retirement, and one can argue my remaining interest in life is to be sure my retirement checks keep coming, and nothing else.

But for a younger person, who is looking at say marriage, or having children, the prospect of entering an extended period of deteriorating international relations, deteriorating on purpose, which eventually end in war, ought to be scary, because war is about killing people and destroying things.

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Lupin  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:56:05pm

FWIW the feeling here (France) according to one general I spoke to last night is there is no “pee tape” (golden showers, maybe, but no tape), but Trump is a criminal who’s worked with Russian oligarchs close to Putin in massive money laundering schemes (possibly linked to gun trafficking) and tax fraud for almost a decade. There’s money stashed in offshore places, etc. Putin has all the evidence of this. Exposure of this would ruin him totally, destroy his organization and likely send him to jail. My general friend through Trump was not servile, friendly or in awe of Putin, he’s scared.

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JordanRules  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:56:26pm

re: #339 Lupin

I know we have different political traditions. Nuff said.

In France ex-president Sarkozy was for a long time the unofficial leader of the opposition to President Hollande. (Until he became embroiled in his own corruption business, which is another story.)

Still I have difficulties explaining to my fellow French why ex-President Obama appears so lackadaisical, fiddling-while-Rome-burns, when your country is being sold out by Trump.

Yeah, I gotta chalk that one up to different traditions. You can build houses for the poor and eradicate a disease, paint, work on your non-profit, be one of the best educators and amplifiers in the history of climate change awareness or whatever after you leave the Presidency here. Assuming that lead opposition role is just not a given here for a lot of reasons.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 16, 2018 • 11:57:23pm

been scanning the rw news sites to see if the party line is starting to waver. no real sign of it. from newsmax:

Trump: Putin Laments ‘Phony Witch Hunt’ Drove ‘Us Apart’

recall this old hit from the 80’s:

Fun Boy Three – “Our Lips Are Sealed” (Chrysalis) 1983

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:00:24am

re: #340 ckkatz

You are correct that the GRU personnel are civilian or military in the service of Russia. And it is assumed that they will not be turned over.

The indictments are likely to be more of a political than criminal statement.

I suspect that they serve two purposes.

First to make a statement, short of going to war, that these activities are considered illegal actions against the US. Unlike armed conflict, national responses for cyberattacks are not settled in international custom.

Second it is an internal political statement that hostile and illegal actions were indeed undertaken against the US. Remember that there are certain sectors in the US who have refused to accept that hostile activities against the US occurred.

So what I see is that this is more a statement of what has happened, rather than what needs to be done. Even if both what happened and what needs to be done are quite obvious to you and I.

Yes, but to talk about extradition, bringing them to the US to be tried, as I heard several times last night, is not only just plain silly, but legally impossible. As a result it dilutes the strength of a very, very impressive forensic analysis of what happened.

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:00:34am

re: #344 Lupin

My own gut tends to agree with those claims.

Trump has such a dirty closet that one doesn’t really need a pee-pee tape to make sense of all his actions.

But the more sobering thought ought to be that Trump is not unique in our society, and that the continual concentration of wealth into a tiny elite is fostering a caste society.

With criminals on top.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:01:50am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Obama put up with eight years of malicious and nearly unbearable obstructionism and bullshit.

Let him enjoy a well-deserved rest.

A well-deserved rest is, what? two months, three tops? C’mon, the country is burning, man.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:02:32am

re: #347 Lupin

Yes, but to talk about extradition, bringing them to the US to be tried, as I heard several times last night, is not only just plain silly, but legally impossible. As a result it dilutes the strength of a very, very impressive forensic analysis of what happened.

the only point of indicting those people in the first place was to able to then tie them to the Trump campaign.

That is coming out soon, I am quite certain.

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:02:44am

re: #340 ckkatz

Also, Mueller is building a strong case that many crimes were indeed committed.

He’ll need that as he indicts Americans for conspiracy to help commit those crimes.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:03:47am

re: #347 Lupin

Yes, but to talk about extradition, bringing them to the US to be tried, as I heard several times last night, is not only just plain silly, but legally impossible. As a result it dilutes the strength of a very, very impressive forensic analysis of what happened.

Meh, I see it laregly as a rhetorical device and a necessary link in the indictment and conspiracy chain.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:04:30am

re: #348 freetoken

My own gut tends to agree with those claims.

Trump has such a dirty closet that one doesn’t really need a pee-pee tape to make sense of all his actions.

If Congress had the political will, they would not need to wait for Mueller: they could do up Trump on conflict of interest, violations of the Emoluments Clause and obstructing justice.

I cannot wait for his tax returns to come out in some form or another, that will go a long way towards compromising his political effectiveness and making him a burden on the GOP.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:05:29am

re: #348 freetoken

My own gut tends to agree with those claims.

Trump has such a dirty closet that one doesn’t really need a pee-pee tape to make sense of all his actions.

But the more sobering thought ought to be that Trump is not unique in our society, and that the continual concentration of wealth into a tiny elite is fostering a caste society.

With criminals on top.

During that conversation I mentioned, I thought of the character of Richard Roper, the international gun smuggler, from John Le Carré’s NIGHT MANAGER. Except that Trump isn’t that smart, handsome or world-wise.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:05:53am

re: #349 Lupin

A well-deserved rest is, what? two months, three tops? C’mon, the country is burning, man.

Let him decide that.

He did a great job for eight years against some of the most malicious and outright evil opposition.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:07:30am

re: #352 JordanRules

Meh, I see it laregly as a rhetorical device and a necessary link in the indictment and conspiracy chain.

You are all undoubtedly right, within your system, but I can tell you that the talk of extradition here causes people to look bemused and shake their head and wonder about naiveté or ignorance.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:08:51am

I loved the TV mini-series adaptation NIGHT MANAGER, BTW. I thought it was actually better than the book. Hiddleston and Hugh Laurie were amazing.

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Jack Burton  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:09:05am

re: #329 Lupin

Another thought:

You’ve got to get off that “extradite the 12 Russians” meme. You come across as a bunch of yahoos.

I don’t know anyone that actually, seriously believes this is a possibility no less actually going to happen.

Our sarcasm and cynicism might not be crossing linguistic or cultural barriers correctly.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:10:27am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot wait for his tax returns to come out in some form or another, that will go a long way towards compromising his political effectiveness and making him a burden on the GOP.

The idea here is that his US tax returns are basically totally fraudulent.

I’m no expert so I don’t know if one could tell, or not.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:10:50am

Ohio woman arrested for spray painting racial slurs on neighbor’s house

An Ohio woman was arrested on Friday for spray painting a racial slur, “Hail Trump” and a swastika on the front of her neighbor’s home.

Patricia Edelen was caught on another neighbor’s surveillance cameras Friday night spray painting the offensive words on the Ogden Ave. home in Toledo, ABC 13 reported.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:11:15am

re: #356 Lupin

You are all undoubtedly right, within your system, but I can tell you that the talk of extradition here causes people to look bemused and shake their head and wonder about naiveté or ignorance.

That view was likely already sealed a couple Novembers ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:11:19am

re: #359 Lupin

The idea here is that his US tax returns are basically totally fraudulent.

I’m no expert so I don’t know if one could tell, or not.

They would reveal the extent to which he is beholden to foreign investors and foreign governments.

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ckkatz  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:11:58am

re: #334 Lupin

I very much appreciate the thought; you don’t have to apologize; you guys here (and in many many parts of the US) are fighting the good fight. Let me tell you: the demonstrations do help, because they project the image of a strong American resistance abroad.

But as you pointed out, our governments have to deal with what;’s going on now, and what might happen in the even of a crisis. Let’s say, Putin invades Ukraine. Can we trist the US forces stationed here? I don’t know. Neither do you. No one knows. This is a totally unprecedented situation.

What about information sharing? We know that in the past the old USSR got tons of secret info through Philby et al and (I;’m ashamed to admit it) Soviet moles inside our own SDECE. Right now the positions are reversed. Should we share info with you, if there’s a risk of it leaking back to the Russians? I don’t know. Neither do you., etc.

Suppose there’s another 9/11 in the offing, somewhere. How can this poisoned environment impact all of us? I don’t know etc.

I agree with you that there is a lot of uncertainty right now. And I agree that uncertainty is very dangerous.

And yes, I agree with you that we do not know what is happening within the administration right now. There is no transparency. As the Washington Post notes “Democracy dies in Darkness”.

I also agree that the uncertainty is dangerous and destabilizing. Especially for the weaker nations.

I suspect that Ukraine will continue to be compromised. It is politically divided, militarily weak, and adjacent to Russia. I suspect that there is a a political limit as to what the West can do there. And I agree this completely sucks.

My hope is that Russia, which is still very weak, can only handle so much at one time.

I hope that deployed assets in NATO are still reliable. I have not seen any indication that discipline is breaking down. Certainly not like what happened in the US Army during the later part of the Vietnam War and in Germany.

I suspect (and hope) that European intelligence organizations have been very careful with what they share since January 2017. I do know that there were multiple reports about US Intelligence contacts warning the Europeans to be careful about what they share.

I also suspect that more of what the Europeans know regarding Trump and the Russians will begin to be publically leaked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:12:07am

re: #360 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ohio woman arrested for spray painting racial slurs on neighbor’s house

I am sure that she is expecting a presidential pardon…

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:15:11am

re: #363 ckkatz

This completely matches what I hear. Disturbing times, however. Questions that should never have been asked.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:16:11am

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They would reveal the extent to which he is beholden to foreign investors and foreign governments.

Yes but what if he’s got heaps of dirty money stashed in, say, Nevis?

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:18:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:19:27am

re: #363 ckkatz

I suspect that Ukraine will continue to be compromised. It is politically divided, militarily weak, and adjacent to Russia. I suspect that there is a a political limit as to what the West can do there. And I agree this completely sucks.

My hope is that Russia, which is still very weak, can only handle so much at one time.

Russia is moving slowly but methodically to re-establish the old Russian Empire, they have a large ethnic Russian diaspora to use as an excuse for expansion, their own Sudetendeutsch.

Right now, the USA is so hapless and NATO/EU so fragmented that they cannot do much against it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:20:23am

re: #366 Lupin

Yes but what if he’s got heaps of dirty money stashed in, say, Nevis?

Ben Nevis?

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:21:07am

re: #367 JordanRules

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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:21:10am

re: #339 Lupin

I know we have different political traditions. Nuff said.

In France ex-president Sarkozy was for a long time the unofficial leader of the opposition to President Hollande. (Until he became embroiled in his own corruption business, which is another story.)

Still I have difficulties explaining to my fellow French why ex-President Obama appears so lackadaisical, fiddling-while-Rome-burns, when your country is being sold out by Trump.

There is a long-standing tradition for former presidents of the USA to avoid making any criticism (especially in public) of their successors. That Trump’s actions have prompted even weak criticism from Bush I and Bush II, much less some slight shade from Obama, is by American standards quite surprising. The former First Ladies have been more vocal, especially regarding the detainees’ children, because they are not expected to observe the same tradition of silence. Even so, they have been circumspect by not mentioning Trump by name. We would probably like Obama to rake Trump over the coals with one of Obama’s moving speeches, but it’s not going to happen. Trump may not care about presidential traditions, but Obama and the former POTUS do.

Criticism from the opposition party is supposed to come from the party’s leadership, and from my perspective as an expat, it has also been rather muted. I’d like the Dems to get loud and obnoxious more than they have so far, because the news coverage on this side of the world gives people the impression that Trump is capo di tutti capi and no one is opposing him.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:24:46am

re: #371 wheat-dogg

Yes, I think it makes sense to frame this from the perspective of all the former POTUS.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:27:05am

re: #370 JordanRules

Brexit campaign group Vote Leave is fined and referred to police for breaking electoral law

Let us also find out the extent to which Russia was involved in this fiasco…

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ckkatz  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:27:36am

re: #347 Lupin

Yes, but to talk about extradition, bringing them to the US to be tried, as I heard several times last night, is not only just plain silly, but legally impossible. As a result it dilutes the strength of a very, very impressive forensic analysis of what happened.

You know, and I know, that an attempt to extradite them is most likely going to fail.

After all, it would only succeed if the Russian state changed governments and needed help that it could only get, if it admitted it attacked the US. Not gonna happen.

And Mueller is a required to approach the problem as a legal one, not a foreign diplomatic one.

I think that the US is not yet at the stage of contemplating what it should do. Once there is general agreement that there was an attack, then the US will need to figure out what to do about it. But that may not happen until after the 2020 elections.

When there finally is agreement that there was an attack, legal actions may not work because of the damage caused by Trump on the international bodies we would have used. And economic actions may not work because the alliances and treaties are no longer there.

Rebuilding the infrastucture in those two areas will take time. Remember how long it took to get the Iran sanctions in place. Even with the existing infrastructure.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:27:55am

re: #372 JordanRules

Yes, I think it makes sense to frame this from the perspective of all the former POTUS.

That said, all of them must have cringed at seeing Trump being so obsequious to Putin in public. I can also imagine some obscenities being uttered, even by Jimmy Carter.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:30:21am

re: #367 JordanRules

May is a dreadful PM.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:30:49am

re: #374 ckkatz

You know, and I know, that an attempt to extradite them is most likely going to fail.

After all, it would only succeed if the Russian state changed governments and needed help that it could only get, if it admitted it attacked the US. Not gonna happen.

It makes a good red herring right now.

Again, the whole point of the indictments was just a first step. Next step will be to tie them to members of the Trump campaign or administration.

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:31:49am

re: #370 JordanRules

Yet, checking the latest Brexit articles on UK websites, it seems the Brexiters are digging in their heels.

They still whine about “wanting their country back”.

It’s the same basic story as with the Trumpers, albeit the Brexiters are probably better at spelling.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:32:04am

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ben Nevis?

Nevis. The island. The most secretive banking place on Earth, basically.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:34:25am

re: #237 jaunte

I think Putin is perfectly capable of trapping Trump in the Edwin Edwards “dead girl or live boy” scenario, and of the two Trump prefers young girls.

Two scoops of vanilla.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:34:30am

re: #336 wheat-dogg

I am afraid what might happen if Trump & Co call out the dogs — local police — to disperse this group.

He might try; the optics of a police riot on peaceable protestors would play endlessly on television.

Trump might not know much about running a country, but he does know how to promote a television appearance. That press conference was aberrant, as it was on Finnish soil with a foreign leader. In his own metaphorical front yard?

A police crackdown on peaceable protestors may really turn out millions into the streets, all across the nation. The women’s march in Nebraska turned out people in towns of a thousand people (20% of Loup City turned out).

A draconian crackdown would lead to resistance becoming more powerful than he can imagine (to quote “Star Wars”).

I’m off to bed. Tomorrow afternoon I will be in Yukon.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:34:50am

re: #371 wheat-dogg

There is a long-standing tradition for former presidents of the USA to avoid making any criticism (especially in public) of their successors. That Trump’s actions have prompted even weak criticism from Bush I and Bush II, much less some slight shade from Obama, is by American standards quite surprising. The former First Ladies have been more vocal, especially regarding the detainees’ children, because they are not expected to observe the same tradition of silence. Even so, they have been circumspect by not mentioning Trump by name. We would probably like Obama to rake Trump over the coals with one of Obama’s moving speeches, but it’s not going to happen. Trump may not care about presidential traditions, but Obama and the former POTUS do.

Criticism from the opposition party is supposed to come from the party’s leadership, and from my perspective as an expat, it has also been rather muted. I’d like the Dems to get loud and obnoxious more than they have so far, because the news coverage on this side of the world gives people the impression that Trump is capo di tutti capi and no one is opposing him.

Of course. I’m just giving you a picture from another POV. It strikes the French as odd. I have explained it just as you did.

My wife and I are both American expats as well (dual citizens) and neither party is doing anything for us, are they?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:35:14am

re: #379 Lupin

Nevis. The island. The most secretive banking place on Earth, basically.

Just joking. Kitts and Nevis is a concept when it comes to offshore funds.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:38:15am

re: #340 ckkatz

You are correct that the GRU personnel are civilian or military in the service of Russia. And it is assumed that they will not be turned over.

The indictments are likely to be more of a political than criminal statement.

I suspect that they serve two purposes.

First to make a statement, short of going to war, that these activities are considered illegal actions against the US. Unlike armed conflict, national responses for cyberattacks are not settled in international custom.

Second it is an internal political statement that hostile and illegal actions were indeed undertaken against the US. Remember that there are certain sectors in the US who have refused to accept that hostile activities against the US occurred.

So what I see is that this is more a statement of what has happened, rather than what needs to be done. Even if both what happened and what needs to be done are quite obvious to you and I.

There is also another issue: GRU agents (and associated Russian military personnel) worked directly with American citizens on US soil. While Russia is not going to turn over its personnel for prosecution in the USA, anyone connected with this who is in the USA can and will be prosecuted.

The point of the indictments is not so much that any Russian would ever be arrested (but if they showed up here they would be, and we could ask allies [if we have any left] to arrest them), but to arrest the people associated with them in the USA. (Then start up the food chain of “what did they know and when did they know it.”)

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:38:53am

re: #344 Lupin

FWIW the feeling here (France) according to one general I spoke to last night is there is no “pee tape” (golden showers, maybe, but no tape), but Trump is a criminal who’s worked with Russian oligarchs close to Putin in massive money laundering schemes (possibly linked to gun trafficking) and tax fraud for almost a decade. There’s money stashed in offshore places, etc. Putin has all the evidence of this. Exposure of this would ruin him totally, destroy his organization and likely send him to jail. My general friend through Trump was not servile, friendly or in awe of Putin, he’s scared.

Interesting. Any sense from other officers?

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:40:40am

In other news that has been run off the front page due to the Trump idiocy:

June 2018 was warm, and this year is turning out to be among the warmest on record:

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ckkatz  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:43:00am

re: #378 freetoken

Yet, checking the latest Brexit articles on UK websites, it seems the Brexiters are digging in their heels.

They still whine about “wanting their country back”.

It’s the same basic story as with the Trumpers, albeit the Brexiters are probably better at spelling.

Your last sentence really cracked me up. Particularly as it is so true.

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ckkatz  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:44:14am

re: #384 Anymouse 🌹

There is also another issue: GRU agents (and associated Russian military personnel) worked directly with American citizens on US soil. While Russia is not going to turn over its personnel for prosecution in the USA, anyone connected with this who is in the USA can and will be prosecuted.

The point of the indictments is not so much that any Russian would ever be arrested (but if they showed up here they would be, and we could ask allies [if we have any left] to arrest them), but to arrest the people associated with them in the USA. (Then start up the food chain of “what did they know and when did they know it.”)

Excellent point!

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:44:21am

re: #339 Lupin

I know we have different political traditions. Nuff said.

In France ex-president Sarkozy was for a long time the unofficial leader of the opposition to President Hollande. (Until he became embroiled in his own corruption business, which is another story.)

Still I have difficulties explaining to my fellow French why ex-President Obama appears so lackadaisical, fiddling-while-Rome-burns, when your country is being sold out by Trump.

Yeah, that tradition is real, real hard to break and would immediately backfire right back in Obama’s face. It would allow Trump to “counter punch” against one of his favorite targets and change the news narrative away from his current fiasco (and that reveals the weakness of our news industry)

It would have to come from another Republican and even then, the GOP has all but disowned the Bush family now.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:44:57am

re: #382 Lupin

Of course. I’m just giving you a picture from another POV. It strikes the French as odd. I have explained it just as you did.

My wife and I are both American expats as well (dual citizens) and neither party is doing anything for us, are they?

Yes, one party is opposing this and working towards November. I believe the quibble is over how strong or not the opposition is.

I don’t think it’s a strong enough response either fwiw.

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Jack Burton  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:49:41am

re: #389 Scottish Dragon

Yeah, that tradition is real, real hard to break and would immediately backfire right back in Obama’s face. It would allow Trump to “counter punch” against one of his favorite targets and change the news narrative away from his current fiasco (and that reveals the weakness of our news industry)

It would have to come from another Republican and even then, the GOP has all but disowned the Bush family now.

Being who Obama is, and that he’d be the first to do so if he did, would feed into the racist stereotype of “the angry black man” and I don’t believe that it would be helpful.

I would like to see some action from Biden though.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:49:50am

re: #390 JordanRules

Yes, one party is opposing this and working towards November. I believe the quibble is over how strong or not the opposition is.

I don’t think it’s a strong enough response either fwiw.

I think the Dems are wary of attacking Trump’s overall incompetence and disgusting attributes since Hillary did that real directly and it failed in the general election. Moreover, Trump voters already knew all that stuff and they didn’t care.

Not sure which way they will jump, but we will see if his performance today gets used in ads in some markets.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:56:14am

re: #382 Lupin

Expats get shafted in so many ways, but I appreciate the $75,000 annual income exclusion limit, which I guarantee I will never reach.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:56:33am

re: #391 Jack Burton

Being who Obama is, and that he’d be the first to do so if he did, would feed into the racist stereotype of “the angry black man” and I don’t believe that it would be helpful.

I would like to see some action from Biden though.

A basic issue is that Trump really, really likes getting attacked, and that is weird for someone with such a notoriously thin skin. He is very definition of the adage to not mud wrestle with pigs. No matter what you say, he will always go lower and nastier than you can countenance and he has no shame at all and no compunction about acknowledging even the most basic facts of simple human existence.

Our political system was utterly unprepared for something like this, and we have no managed to find a way to effectively criticize him that goes beyond merely exciting our own base (and never mind the endless reams of New York Times concern trolling to the effect that every time Dems say something critical it upsets someone in an Iowa pancake diner)

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:56:39am

re: #390 JordanRules

Yes, one party is opposing this and working towards November. I believe the quibble is over how strong or not the opposition is.

I don’t think it’s a strong enough response either fwiw.

Oh it’s worth noting too that there have been strong Democrats who have gone hard on Trump since day one (not enough tho). A good number of them are members of one of the demos that Trump and his alt-right cult are targeting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:59:39am

re: #387 ckkatz

Your last sentence really cracked me up. Particularly as it is so true.

The standard of English in Britain has declined massively, even on the BBC, something that even I as an American notice.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 12:59:53am

re: #385 Scottish Dragon

Interesting. Any sense from other officers?

No just that one comment from a now retired (French) general who used to work with my late father (also a general) in, er, “systems” — and seems to keep his hand in the cookie jar (more than my dad did after he retired), or at least is quite experienced.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:00:41am

re: #391 Jack Burton

Being who Obama is, and that he’d be the first to do so if he did, would feed into the racist stereotype of “the angry black man” and I don’t believe that it would be helpful.

I would like to see some action from Biden though.

Biden is also still an “active” politician…I would like to see him take a higher profile.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:03:54am

re: #384 Anymouse 🌹

There is also another issue: GRU agents (and associated Russian military personnel) worked directly with American citizens on US soil. While Russia is not going to turn over its personnel for prosecution in the USA, anyone connected with this who is in the USA can and will be prosecuted.

The point of the indictments is not so much that any Russian would ever be arrested (but if they showed up here they would be, and we could ask allies [if we have any left] to arrest them), but to arrest the people associated with them in the USA. (Then start up the food chain of “what did they know and when did they know it.”)

Agreed. Any US citizen who aided and abetted the enemy is a collaborator and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, as they say.

Right now, if I was the Rosenbergs’ son, I’d be raising a stink.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:08:37am

re: #397 Lupin

No just that one comment from a now retired (French) general who used to work with my late father (also a general) in, er, “systems” — and seems to keep his hand in the cookie jar (more than my dad did after he retired), or at least is quite experienced.

Only time I’ve ever even been near a French general was at a Revolutionary War reenactment in Virgina a few years ago and a military attache from the embassy was present since an actual French 18th century reenacting unit had flown over and was there with the Continental Army. It was pretty cool to go marching past in review and see him with his de Gaulle style hat and uniform.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:12:04am

re: #400 Scottish Dragon

Only time I’ve ever even been near a French general was at a Revolutionary War reenactment in Virgina a few years ago and a military attache from the embassy was present since an actual French 18th century reenacting unit had flown over and was there with the Continental Army. It was pretty cool to go marching past in review and see him with his de Gaulle style hat and uniform.

My dad and all the colleagues of his I ever met were all, shall we say, “traditionalists”? De Gaulle was still a polarizing figure, depending on where they stood on Algeria.

Right now the sense I get is less dismay — they had time to process that in the last 12 months — than a “what the f*ck do we do?”

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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:12:12am

re: #386 freetoken

In other news that has been run off the front page due to the Trump idiocy:

June 2018 was warm, and this year is turning out to be among the warmest on record:

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In my part of Sweden, there is a Class II excessive heat warning in effect. The temp has been 30°C daytime for days.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:14:02am

On the Brexit front, after May totally caved in to Rees-Mogg the Bank of England warns about massive disruption to the financial markets, trillions of pounds worth of contracts being impacted by Brexit.

Putin is a genius, but even some of his oligarchs ,must be a little concerned.

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ckkatz  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:14:17am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The standard of English in Britain has declined massively, even on the BBC, something that even I as an American notice.

I did not know that.

Of course, I have little knowledge of the underlying [economic, class and geographic] context of most British accents. And was unable for a long time to distinguish between English, South African and Australian accents. Plus there are a number of Brit accents that I simply cannot understand.

My father (from Brooklyn), who was in the American Army during World war 2, served for a while as the American liason officer to a Highland unit. And needed translation on occasion. So I guess that my lack of understanding may have a genetic component.

One story was that when he first met up with the unit, they were on manuevers. As the unit moved and fired, he could hear the men yelling something that he assumed was their battle cry. It was later translated to him as “Hey Yank, have you got a cigarette?”.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:17:42am

re: #400 Scottish Dragon

Only time I’ve ever even been near a French general was at a Revolutionary War reenactment in Virgina a few years ago and a military attache from the embassy was present since an actual French 18th century reenacting unit had flown over and was there with the Continental Army. It was pretty cool to go marching past in review and see him with his de Gaulle style hat and uniform.

I’m kind of the black sheep of the family: my dad was a general, both my granddads and my uncle served in the French navy. My godfather captained one of the first French nuclear subs in the late 60s/early 70s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:20:06am

re: #404 ckkatz

My father (from Brooklyn), who was in the American Army during World war 2, served for a while as the American liason officer to a Highland unit. And needed translation on occasion. So I guess that my lack of understanding may have a genetic component.

I was married to a Brit (born in Scotland to English parents) for 13 years and picked up an awful lot.

But on more than one occasion I have had to correct errors in BBC articles that I use in my English courses and point out to students that the British Language is in decline.

And they do not know how to hyphenate. It drives me bat-shit crazy sometimes.

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:20:37am
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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:21:01am

re: #402 Teukka

In my part of Sweden, there is a Class II excessive heat warning in effect. The temp has been 30°C daytime for days.

Link to SMHI (our NOAA)

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ckkatz  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:33:32am

re: #406 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was married to a Brit (born in Scotland to English parents) for 13 years and picked up an awful lot.

But on more than one occasion I have had to correct errors in BBC articles that I use in my English courses and point out to students that the British Language is in decline.

And they do not know how to hyphenate. It drives me bat-shit crazy sometimes.

Out of curiousity, when you teach English, how do you handle different dialects? Do you teach American or Brit English?

I was listening to a series of talks on English recently. It pointed out that there are a growing number of English dialects, which are diverging. It particularly mentioned the South African and Nigerian dialects.

I grew up in Pittsburgh which has two dialects (midland and ‘yinzer’/Pittsburgh) and currently live in the south with it’s multiple dialects. So I do have some awareness of different American English dialects.

I also found out while learning Spanish, there are different curricula for whether one studies Mexican or Columbian dialects. (And I presume, the original Castilian.) At the time I was living in Venezuela, which had differences from those standards. (We worked with the Mexican dialect curricula, and I learned a lot of Indian based Mexican words that were not used in South America.)

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ckkatz  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:35:52am

Well, off to bed with me. Good night to all!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 1:42:05am

re: #409 ckkatz

Out of curiousity, when you teach English, how do you handle different dialects? Do you teach American or Brit English?

I was listening to a series of talks on English recently. It pointed out that there are a growing number of English dialects, which are diverging. It particularly mentioned the South African and Nigerian dialects.

I grew up in Pittsburgh which has two dialects (midland and ‘yinzer’/Pittsburgh) and currently live in the south with it’s multiple dialects. So I do have some awareness of different American English dialects.

I use worksheets from a publisher linguahouse.com that does alternate versions in both British and American English.

And the CD that accompanies one of the textbooks I use (English for Logistics) features people speaking all sorts of non-native accents, as English is the lingua franca of international commerce and shipping.

I grew up in the Midwest, around Chicago, and was exposed to a lot of the dialects surrounding us.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:00:44am

re: #349 Lupin

A well-deserved rest is, what? two months, three tops? C’mon, the country is burning, man.

Why don’t you demand that Congressional Republicans, who have the power to do something about Trump’s malfeasance, take action instead of demand that President Obama speak out? If President Obama says anything right now, Trump and his racist supporters would rally against him and the news would switch to the inevitable Trump versus Obama showdown. Wouldn’t be helpful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:06:32am

re: #412 Patricia Kayden

Why don’t you demand that Congressional Republicans, who have the power to do something about Trump’s malfeasance, take action…?.

They need to distance themselves from DT or be branded as complicit, just like with ICE and ACA.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:10:04am
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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:13:37am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:14:54am

re: #411 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I use worksheets from a publisher linguahouse.com that does alternate versions in both British and American English.

And the CD that accompanies one of the textbooks I use (English for Logistics) features people speaking all sorts of non-native accents, as English is the lingua franca of international commerce and shipping.

I grew up in the Midwest, around Chicago, and was exposed to a lot of the dialects surrounding us.

I’ll chime in as well. The textbooks we use are American, but many of the listening exercises include speakers from other English-speaking countries, including non-native speakers. The British textbooks follow the same pattern. In the primary grades, or for first-time learners, it’s best to stay with one form of English pronunciation at first. But students need to be able to understand “accented” English as well. In particular, many of my Business English students end up in commerce, where they use English as the lingua franca with other non-native speakers. So, being exposed to different accents helps.

In class, I remind my students I’m an American speaker with a fairly neutral accent (I’ve mostly lawst my N’Yawk accent from living in the Midwest so lawng), so I will not sound the same as someone speaking Received Pronunciation (RP) — the posh British accent. Some students prefer one over the other, but I warn them that perfecting an American or British accent is only necessary if they intend to become actors or TV and radio announcers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:15:34am

re: #414 Single-handed sailor

Russia to invest $50bn in Iran’s oil & gas - report

While the US is threatening sanctions against EU countries that do the same…

and nobody seems to mind how badly we got PWN3D?

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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:16:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:18:58am

re: #416 wheat-dogg

But students need to be able to understand “accented” English as well. In particular, many of my Business English students end up in commerce, where they use English as the lingua franca with other non-native speakers. So, being exposed to different accents helps.

One just needs to be aware of the differences. I still recall my sister-in-law from Glasgow asking what I thought was “Do you want some tea?” when she was actually asking “Do you want some(thing) t(o) ea(t)?…the missing bits being alternately blown out her nose or swallowed…I have learned to listen for those.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:25:47am

re: #419 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One just needs to be aware of the differences. I still recall my sister-in-law from Glasgow asking what I thought was “Do you want some tea?” when she was actually asking “Do you want some(thing) t(o) ea(t)?…the missing bits being alternately blown out her nose or swallowed…I have learned to listen for those.

In some parts of the USA, “Jeet?” means “Did you eat?” Or in other words, “You want to go get something to eat?”

One of my Chinese students was perplexed by “Uwanfrizewidat?” at an American burger place. The way we blend our words together drives them nuts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:27:07am

re: #418 Teukka

Heard from from a guy who works in the storage department for Disneyland who said they had the Helsinki press conference on in the background while cleaning. Animatronic Abraham Lincoln saw it and shit himself.

People who can look at comparable photos of the inauguration crowds in 2013 and 2017 and insist that the 2107 crowd was bigger will have no trouble looking on Trump’s appearance at Helsinki as one of a Great patriotic American President.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:28:29am

Since we’re talking about English learning, may I recommend English Vinglish?

Sridevi attents her english speaking classes | Sridevi Best Movie

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:43:14am

re: #422 wheat-dogg

Since we’re talking about English learning, may I recommend English Vinglish?

Language and romance…well, I met several girlfriends in Russian class…

TÜRKISCH FÜR ANFÄNGER (2012) - Teaser-Trailer 1 ** HD **

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:45:22am

From the classic cult horror vault, a still that strikes me as a commentary on America today:

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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:46:36am

re: #424 freetoken

From the classic cult horror vault, a still that strikes me as a commentary on America today:

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“There is nothing funny about a clown by moonlight.”
— Leonidas Frank “Lon” Chaney Sr

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 2:47:22am

re: #424 freetoken

From the classic cult horror vault, a still that strikes me as a commentary on America today:

I met a young woman once with a serious clown phobia: she tells me that when she was young, she was with her dad at the circus during the clown act when a storm hit, the lights went out and the tent collapsed and her father ran out and abandoned her…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 17, 2018 • 3:41:32am

“Mr. Conservative” is hating on our free press now, in contrast to the polished, professional, and loyal Russian media. Incidentally, I don’t block this clown because he is a very good source for current RWNJ/Texas talking points and is still highly influential in Lubbock conservative circles.

Facebook Post

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2018 • 4:32:28am

re: #426 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She should have a Dad phobia. Her Dad sounds like a horrible person.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2018 • 4:38:13am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:00:45am

re: #427 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Mr. Conservative” is hating on our free press now, in contrast to the polished, professional, and loyal Russian media. Incidentally, I don’t block this clown because he is a very good source for current RWNJ/Texas talking points and is still highly influential in Lubbock conservative circles.

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In otherwords he wants a media to suck up to Trump like RT does Putin and Mr. May, they don’t respect your Trump, they know him to be the fraud he really is and are enjoying this all.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:01:29am

re: #429 Patricia Kayden

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Blah!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:03:25am

Watching a bit more of FnF to see what Abby Huntsman will say. Not much, of course. They’re spending more time on Lisa Page’s testimony with Louis Gohmert and on SBC’s duping of politicians. Seems like Abby should at least acknowledge her dad’s role. Maybe she did when I wasn’t watching.

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:08:28am

Waiting for the great reveal… that both Putin and Trump are secret Rosicrucians and both are taking orders from the reborn Order of the Temple of the Rosy Cross.

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sagehen  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:09:19am

re: #325 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know if Donald Trump is acting as a Russian agent.

However, if I was a Russian agent and I was in his position, I would be pretty much doing everything he is now (except the golf).

If you were a Russian agent in his position, you’d make more of an effort than he does to conceal it.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:12:19am

Mooch is on CNN right now looking disheveled—less well-oiled—trying to explain the inexplicable somewhat defend the indefensible on behalf of Trump.

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sagehen  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:15:04am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

been scanning the rw news sites to see if the party line is starting to waver. no real sign of it. from newsmax:

Trump: Putin Laments ‘Phony Witch Hunt’ Drove ‘Us Apart’

recall this old hit from the 80’s:

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The appropriate Fun Boy Three track is this one:

Fun Boy Three - The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:16:36am
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sagehen  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:21:06am

re: #379 Lupin

Nevis. The island. The most secretive banking place on Earth, basically.

Also, the birthplace of Alexander Hamilton.

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fern01  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:23:45am

re: #437 freetoken

Life from South Africa, Obama giving the Mandela speech:

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Aha - just came in to post the link :) A real President talking at a lecture celebrating a real President.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:25:16am

re: #438 sagehen

Also, the birthplace of Alexander Hamilton.

I did not know this. Thank you.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:26:52am

OT the French soccer team is anecdotal evidence, but as a symbol, it is a powerful argument in favor of immigration. We know what our homegrown nazis are thinking., but they kept a low profile.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:27:00am

re: #98 Belafon

“jif” is how the guy who created the format pronounced it.

Do you pronounce SCUBA “scubba” because the u stands for underwater?

Of course it’s “jif” because “graphic” is actually pronounced “jrafik”
“Now if you will all turn your attention the the first giraffe, notice how long the y axis is compared to the x axis…”

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:27:07am
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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:28:35am

re: #379 Lupin

re: #443 freetoken

He’s going to …… Nevis!

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:34:51am
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fern01  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:35:56am

re: #339 Lupin

I know we have different political traditions. Nuff said.

In France ex-president Sarkozy was for a long time the unofficial leader of the opposition to President Hollande. (Until he became embroiled in his own corruption business, which is another story.)

Still I have difficulties explaining to my fellow French why ex-President Obama appears so lackadaisical, fiddling-while-Rome-burns, when your country is being sold out by Trump.

The people of America rewarded President Obama devoting 8 years of his life to his country, starting with an amazing recovery from an economic melt down, by voting in trump to replace him.

The US is lucky that President Obama still talks with love about his country and continues to live there. He gave his all - and yet you think he should just keep on giving. Find someone else to fight against trump, President Obama has earned his rest.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:38:56am

re: #8 lawhawk

Holy shitsnacks. The Daily News cover for tomorrow….

Hah! Yeah I saw this in my Maryland convenience store this morning (of all places).

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The Major  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:40:59am

re: #347 Lupin

Yes, but to talk about extradition, bringing them to the US to be tried, as I heard several times last night, is not only just plain silly, but legally impossible. As a result it dilutes the strength of a very, very impressive forensic analysis of what happened.

True - but their lives are changed in that their freedom of movement has now been sharply curtailed to Russian-friendly countries - dare they travel to an EU country they could be arrested.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:42:38am

re: #443 freetoken

Cleese last week on Brexit:

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Video

Entertaining and I agree on his take that the huge divides mean that people both here and there are less likely to understand complex political issues because they buy into a fully self-supporting menu of media options (which leads to distrust). I don’t agree with him on the divisions in American humor, but I laughed anyway.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:42:50am

re: #36 Single-handed sailor

“No actually the NRA — the NRA! —is a Russian front” remains one of my favorite Fusion GPS-planted conspiracy theories uncritically accepted and pushed by our media. Here, by an Atlantic editor.

— Mollie (@MZHemingway) July 14, 2018

Tweets that didn’t age well for $800, please.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:43:17am

re: #119 teleskiguy

You’re missing one. Fire Jeff Sessions.

I think you mean Geff Sessions.

[sorry]

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:44:50am

re: #451 Jebediah, RBG

I think you mean Geff Sessions.

[sorry]

Pick up your “get out of gaol free card.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:47:17am

re: #54 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

-The week saw FBI agent Strzok brazenly lie to the Congress, show his own detestation for everyday Americans - it’s their smell, he says — and display facial and other physical quirks that appeared very reminiscent of a demented beaver, a drug addict, or a loyal Democrat.

Ah, the facial and other physical quirks get us every time.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:49:43am

re: #116 jaunte

If you thought Trump couldn’t beclown himself any further today, this Hannity interview is the icing on the cake of the worst day of the worst Presidency in history.

Sean HawHaw thinks he’s helping.

It isn’t helping.#ETTD

— Rick Wilson

Sean HawHaw is just fabulous.

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fern01  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:51:15am

Current speaker in South Africa acknowledged President Obama by saying the following -

President Obama gives us
The very best of America, the very best of Africa and the very best of the world

And then the russians helped to get trump elected. From the best - to the very worst.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:51:19am

re: #445 Belafon

I see that after a morning of almost displaying journalistic integrity the munchkins at Faux have gotten back on the TT.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:53:09am

re: #360 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“OK but the real crime and offense here is who leaked the surveillance video?”

///

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:54:27am

re: #455 fern01

Current speaker in South Africa acknowledged President Obama by saying the following -

And then the russians helped to get trump elected. From the best - to the very worst.

We likewise went from Lincoln to Johnson, that’s what happened again here.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:54:37am

re: #302 Single-handed sailor

You can’t make this stuff up.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:54:39am

re: #453 Sir John Barron

Ah, the facial and other physical quirks get us every time.

He’ll be back on GAB today. Everyone and their brother reported this yesterday.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:55:41am

re: #456 Sir John Barron

I see that after a morning of almost displaying journalistic integrity the munchkins at Faux have gotten back on the TT.

“missed opportunity” is the watchword, with less and less explanation about what was missed and more and more Strzok and Page and SERVER as the hours go by.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:55:43am

re: #450 Sir John Barron

Tweets that didn’t age well for $800, please.

Chris and Dana need to be investigated especially Dana Gunfucker.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:55:51am

re: #458 HappyWarrior

We likewise went from Lincoln to Johnson, that’s what happened again here.

Interesting, I haven’t thought of it that way before. Thx!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:57:21am

re: #285 JordanRules

Two senators switched parties or went independent in the 90s. Three in the 2000s. If you gave Democrats the gavel, they wouldn’t be able to pass legislation, but they could perform oversight. All you’d lose is judges. No one expects any of them to do it.

— alex pareene

“Look, we’re saying we’re Concerned, OK. Isn’t that enough?”

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:57:58am

And Good Morning Friends. A balmy 74’ in CenTex. Gonna get hot and breezy today.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 5:59:10am

re: #267 jaunte

DJT: I don’t know that I believe that.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:04:31am

re: #465 Dave In Austin

And Good Morning Friends. A balmy 74’ in CenTex. Gonna get hot and breezy today.

Mornings in the DFW area start at about 78-80 right now.

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b.d.  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:05:55am

re: #464 Sir John Barron

“Look, we’re saying we’re Concerned, OK. Isn’t that enough?”

Empty platitudes are the best kind of platitudes.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:06:07am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We’re expecting severe weather later today as a front comes through, but that’s nothing compared to the Russian front that has swept through the GOP without so much as a white flag. Complicit and compromised.

The NRA was the in for the Russians to spread money to candidates to further Russian interests.

I’m still waiting to learn exactly when and how the GOP platform was modified to make it pro-Russian esp. re: Ukraine in the days leading up to Trump’s nomination at the RNC.

Because that too will illuminate the shitshow that the GOP has unleashed on the nation and the world.

But the world isn’t standing still. They’re banding together to enact new trade pacts without the US. One that eliminates tariffs between the EU and Japan.

Think on that.

Two of the world’s largest economies just entered a deal to eliminate tariffs and grow their respective economies.

Meanwhile, the Russia backed Brexit movement is trying to back out of the EU, and will see none of those benefits. Moreover, the Russia backed Trump trade wars continues to have casualties and Trump’s easy trade wars to win claims don’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny.

Trump’s doing Russia’s bidding globally, and the US will be left behind. Economically and politically, Trump is leaving America alone and untethered from our allies, which is exactly how Russia wants it.

Russia is playing the grand game - a game it has repeatedly played going back to the tsars and then under the Soviets - infiltrate and subterfuge and espionage to further their goals across Europe and the world to protect their fragile control back home.

Undermine the EU means the Russians have more economic opportunities and diminish the economic power that the EU can bring to bear against the Russians in trade negotiations. Separate the US from the EU and you get the same. It’s divide and conquer, and Trump is doing exactly what someone influenced or seeking Putin’s approval would do.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:07:05am

re: #469 lawhawk

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:08:07am

re: #54 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

-The week saw that the FBI, in the person of Strzok, had refused to investigate a foreign address to which 30,000 e-mails from Hillary Clinton’s unsecured server were delivered. It was made clear that foreign address was not Russian, which surely means that the address was that of the Beijing tyrants who have paid the Democrats to surrender to China U.S. manufacturing industries, intellectual property, and much of its technical military prowess.

I think someone is rather not well.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:09:49am

In Birmingham they love the governor. Well we all did what we could do. Watergate does not bother me. Does your conscience bother you?

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:10:34am

re: #470 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m getting a “data not available” message from the link. Now, that could be because of the settings up here at work.

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jeffreyw  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:11:59am

Imgur


Good morning!

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:15:24am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:18:15am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:20:31am

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:21:23am

re: #473 Belafon

I’m getting a “data not available” message from the link. Now, that could be because of the settings up here at work.

Nope, I just got the same. Wouldn’t it be something if the BLS took down their reports after they learned people were actually reading and reporting on them

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:22:21am
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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:23:56am

re: #479 Barefoot Grin

Dick move…

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:24:45am

re: #480 lawhawk

Dick move…

Ha!

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:24:52am

I want more but I would settle for Congressional #CenureNow for a start.

Balls anyone?

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:25:17am

re: #448 The Major

True - but their lives are changed in that their freedom of movement has now been sharply curtailed to Russian-friendly countries - dare they travel to an EU country they could be arrested.

Honestly I don’t think so. Spain has a clearer case against Puigdemont (legally speaking, not fact-wise) because what he did is a crime IN SPAIN/UNDER SPANISH LAW, and two European countries have already refused to extradite him. Well, Germany has agreed to, but for a lesser charge having to do with misuse of public funds.

These Russians could travel to France and I strongly doubt a French court would agree to extradite them to the US.

There is this view in the US that somehow your legal system trumps all others. It is not so. You may certainly accuse those GRU officers of having done what they did (and you should, in order to show the rest of the world) but IT IS NOT A CRIME.

Now any US citizen who conspired with them, that’s another thing. That;s a crime; they’re fair game. If one of them à la Snowden sought refuge here, he lilely would be extradited back the US (unless he was also a French citizen).

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William Lewis  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:26:12am

getting ready for work, heard this on NPR and had to pass it along…

Richard Thompson - The Storm Won’t Come

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:27:10am
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fern01  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:27:32am

Just love watching these African events. When their President is introduced - the audience starts singing and dancing.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:27:39am

OK, so, a bit more news on the gloriously salacious story of Adnan Oktar, which is giving Turkey’s tabloid media veritable orgasms each and every day as something new and bizarre comes out.

Today however, there’s a bit of a darker turn. This story from a year back:

Prosecutors asked for life sentences for seven suspects accused of killing a Turkish man in southern Turkey’s Antalya over a dispute on a 1,400-year-old Torah manuscript.

The body of Murat Ünal was found with his arms cut off and his chest cut wide open in January. Prosecutors say Ünal and the suspects were trying to sell the manuscript and a dispute broke out when others discovered Ünal hid one of the pages of the Torah.

An investigation is underway to find the Torah that was not found in possession of Ünal who shared a photo of the artifact on his social media account.

dailysabah.com

is now grist for the tabloid mill. Turns out Turkish police are actively searching Oktar’s compound - and assorted villas and properties - for that missing Torah. They suspect he might have it; some genuine antiquities have already been seized, with two of them being items that had previously been reported stolen from museums.

Getting interesting. And increasingly weird (well, given the nature of the subject matter, it was always bound to be weird, but this is getting into ‘over-the-top/comic-book supervillainy weird’).

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:28:58am

re: #483 Lupin

There is this view in the US that somehow your legal system trumps all others. It is not so. You may certainly accuse those GRU officers of having done what they did (and you should, in order to show the rest of the world) but IT IS NOT A CRIME.

Um, yeah it is. And it’s not a view that our court trumps all others. We can charge foreigners with hacking and other crimes. Hacking is illegal. And, if they end up in the US, they will be tried, just like we have tried other foreigners.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:29:35am

The clever thing about the trade war is Russia has little to lose since except oil & gas it trades less than, say, Italy.

While it will cost us, the US, China and Japan (which are already getting together on this) will survive, and I’m sure Canada and Mexocio and Australia who already have trade deals with the EU will too.

The top victims will be the US and the UK.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:29:44am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:30:14am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:30:59am

Heh. NM!

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Stanley Sea  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:33:03am

re: #492 GlutenFreeJesus

That is not her.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:34:03am

Careful.

Although visitor logs wd help

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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:34:08am

re: #485 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

TBH when I have visited Muslim areas I’ve found the call to prayer rather soothing.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:34:39am

re: #488 Belafon

Um, yeah it is. And it’s not a view that our court trumps all others. We can charge foreigners with hacking and other crimes. Hacking is illegal. And, if they end up in the US, they will be tried, just like we have tried other foreigners.

Obviously they’d be fools to set up foot in the US, but (and I say this as a retired lawyer) they can set foot in France, you can ask for their extradition, and you won’t get it.

You can charge foreigners all you want, but you (the US) don’t get to determine what the crime is, the other country does. If the judges there determine there is no crime UNDER THE APPLICABLE LAW (not the US Law) , then they won’t extradite.

Again, refer to the Puigdemont case.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:34:40am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:36:44am

re: #493 Stanley Sea

That is not her.

Ah. Got it in post 494.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:38:58am

re: #492 GlutenFreeJesus

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Nothing to see here. Just an indicted Russian spy in the White House.

No, it’s not a Russian spy

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b.d.  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:40:39am

re: #499 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Nothing to see here. Just an indicted Russian spy in the White House.

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Did they finally indict Trump?

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:41:50am

re: #496 Lupin

Obviously they’d be fools to set up foot in the US, but (and I say this as a retired lawyer) they can set foot in France, you can ask for their extradition, and you won’t get it.

You can charge foreigners all you want, but you (the US) don’t get to determine what the crime is, the other country does. If the judges there determine there is no crime UNDER THE APPLICABLE LAW (not the US Law) , then they won’t extradite.

Again, refer to the Puigdemont case.

It sounds to me like you’re mixing two things. The US can decide that a person has committed a crime that should be tried under US law. But, if the person is in another country, that country can decide that the person should not face that charge. See Assange, for instance. I understand that we don’t get to just say “Hey, we think that guy’s a criminal, give him to us.” Otherwise, Russia would already have a bunch of people they’ve been wanting to try.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:42:23am

I’m convinced now more than ever that there is an actually a pee tape. Up to now I was filing it with the “Whitey Tape”. His lovefest with Lumpy about the topic was telling.

R E L E A S E - T H E - P E E - T A P E

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:44:16am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:46:35am
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Belafon  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:48:20am

re: #503 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yep. You could probably get Trump to admit to allowing Russia to take over the country if you play to his ego.

Maybe Sacha Baron Cohen should go in disguise as a reporter.

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fern01  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:49:25am

Listen to the real President

nelsonmandela.org

We are living in strange times

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:49:45am

re: #485 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I actually really like the Muslim calls to prayer in the morning. I probably do prefer the bells too but Buddhist chants, Muslim prayer calls, & Tribal chants are pretty too. And this from someone not religious.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:52:44am

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Weaselone  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:53:15am

re: #496 Lupin

So you’re saying it’s not a crime in France to hack into an organization and steal private information?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:54:56am

re: #508 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Do u, Republicans?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:55:16am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

I actually really like the Muslim calls to prayer in the morning. I probably do prefer the bells too but Buddhist chants, Muslim prayer calls, & Tribal chants are pretty too. And this from someone not religious.

And it’s not like Richard Atheist Dawkins should talk.

But thanks for trying to pit one religion against another, Richard.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:56:26am

re: #504 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

@YoImSean If majority of people legally residing in Alaska want to be part of Russia then its OK with me

— Dana Rohrabacher

The server for Tweets That Did Not Age Well has collapsed.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:58:35am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 6:59:33am

re: #511 Sir John Barron

And it’s not like Richard Atheist Dawkins should talk.

But thanks for trying to pit one religion against another, Richard.

He should really really just stick to his biologist profession and away from social commentary eg Elon Musk. Proof that being intelligent doesn’t make you incapable of douchebaggery.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:00:26am

re: #471 Sir John Barron

I think someone is rather not well.

Those 30000 emails have sure done a lot of work on the conspiracy circuit; first they concocted the Benghazi! attack and then covered it up. After that I guess they went to China to sell all our manufacturing and military power or something. And then they killed Vince Foster.

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plansbandc  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:02:00am

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:03:14am

re: #185 JordanRules

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White men don’t have to play by the rules or be intelligent or articulate or dignified. Anything goes.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:03:20am

re: #501 Belafon

It sounds to me like you’re mixing two things. The US can decide that a person has committed a crime that should be tried under US law. But, if the person is in another country, that country can decide that the person should not face that charge. See Assange, for instance. I understand that we don’t get to just say “Hey, we think that guy’s a criminal, give him to us.” Otherwise, Russia would already have a bunch of people they’ve been wanting to try.

Yes, you’re correct, but that is exactly what I’ve been saying. (Perhaps clumsily.)

In order for an extradition mandate to be deemed receivable by the local (ie foreign) judge (I’m using loosely translated French legal terms here), whatever crime the suspect is accused of must also be a crime in the country of jurisdiction.

The problem with Puigdemont is that his crime in Spain is (loosely speaking) treason, and the way it’s defined under Spanish Law is not a crime in Belgium and Germany (and France). Puidgemont’s lawyers successfully argued that whatever he did in Spain, if it is criminal there, would still not be a crime in Belgium or Germany. Misuse of public funds, however, is, in both countries.

However, if Puigdemont is extradited, then he can only be tried in Spain for misuse of public funds, NOT treason, which is not what the Spanish judge wants. So they may well decide he should stay in Germany after all.

It gets more complicated when the accused is not a citizen of either country (the one which wants him extradite and the one where he presently resides). Then the judge have to use (& interpret) the law of his own country. The Russian GRU officer (if he wasn’t covered by diplomatic immunity) would simply have to say to the french court, “I’m a military officer and I did what my superiors ordered me to do.” And that would be the end of the case.

Extradition is a complex business, with treaties that often appear to defy common sense or the notion of justice, but it is what it is. However, there is no excuse for professional lawyers like DAs, public prosecutors, etc. who should know better to use the word out of its proper context to inflame public opinion.

This is not the first time i observe this. A few years ago I wrote a few articles of a legal nature on the Polanski case because it showed how deeply mistaken or misguided (knowingly or not) the US media and often professionals ere on the topic.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:03:52am

re: #513 Dave In Austin

Meme of the day

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Emperor Hirohito assures me that Napaj was responsible for bombing Pearl Harbor. We will find Napaj on a map and strike back. - FDR

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:07:39am

re: #509 Weaselone

So you’re saying it’s not a crime in France to hack into an organization and steal private information?

What I’m saying is that simply proving that the suspect is a military person who did what he was instructed to do at the behest of his superiors against another country, as long as it is not a war crime as defined by the Geneva convention, would not be arraigned for extradition. He might be expelled, certainly, but he wouldn’t be extradited to the US.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:09:40am
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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:12:29am
I had a great meeting with NATO. They have paid $33 Billion more and will pay hundreds of Billions of Dollars more in the future, only because of me. NATO was weak, but now it is strong again (bad for Russia). The media only says I was rude to leaders, never mentions the money!

This, of course, is complete and utter cr*p.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:12:31am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:13:32am

The preview for this looks amazing.

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prairiefire  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:15:12am

re: #524 Dr. Matt

Yup, can’t wait for that swaggering, sexy boy.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:15:53am

re: #523 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Idiot douchebag say what?

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:17:21am

re: #490 wheat-dogg

It’s time for another Luna Lee video!

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Video

I love that song. Thank you.

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fern01  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:17:43am

President Obama is demonstrating his knowledge of history, where it led us, who changed and now here we are.

It started with Mandela - it is leading to what happened yesterday.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:18:11am

re: #521 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s awake.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:19:26am

re: #521 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Whatever Donald Vladimirivich.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:21:12am

re: #530 HappyWarrior

Whatever Donald Vladimirivich.

Might have to steal that

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:22:27am

re: #531 Sir John Barron

Might have to steal that

Make sure, it’s deliberately misspelled.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:22:53am

re: #521 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

You can smell the weakness and desperation from that tweet. The bully got his ass kicked and now everyone is laughing at him.

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makeitstop  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:22:56am

re: #524 Dr. Matt

The preview for this looks amazing.

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I’ve watched the trailer a few times, and it looks like it’s going to be really good.

But what really knocks me out is that mega-mix that runs under the trailer. Very well done.

I read that they had access to the vocal stems of all the Queen recordings to help with the performance footage. From what I’ve read, the actor playing Freddie doesn’t sing.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:23:22am

re: #521 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Such president very leadership

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fern01  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:26:22am

re: #536 Lupin

Putin tells Russian state TV Trump gave him a ‘very interesting offer’ on Ukraine and discussed getting around sanctions

Worst case: chaos. Best case: bingo!

“Peace in our time” - we’ll give him Ukraine.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:26:50am

Someone got Airlocked Yesterday. Pls keep it private.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:28:29am

re: #537 fern01

“Peace in our time” - we’ll give him Ukraine.

Vladimir assured me he had no other territorial demands

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prairiefire  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:31:21am

re: #538 Dave In Austin

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:31:26am

You now have your own Marshall Petain (and I’m being kind considering Petain’s very real achievements) in charge of US defense.

I think I’ll rewatch CASABLANCA.

As mentioned earlier, I encourage everyone who hasn’t seen it to watch THE NIGHT MANAGER mini-series. I gather it is pertinent to Triump’s business.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:33:36am

re: #538 Dave In Austin

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:34:33am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:34:41am

re: #541 Lupin

You now have your own Marshall Petain (and I’m being kind considering Petain’s very real achievements) in charge of US defense.

I think I’ll rewatch CASABLANCA.

As mentioned earlier, I encourage everyone who hasn’t seen it to watch THE NIGHT MANAGER mini-series. I gather it is pertinent to Triump’s business.

I’m going to start viewing it tomorrow, on your reco. I’ll probably read the book, too.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:37:38am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:40:03am

re: #545 MsJ

Remember when pompous Paul Ryan demanded that intelligence info not be shared with HRC because of the missing emails or the server or something?

I look forward to Ryan’s continued diligence on this matter, too. //

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:44:18am

re: #544 wheat-dogg

I’m going to start viewing it tomorrow, on your reco. I’ll probably read the book, too.

FWIW wiki page on THE NIGHT MANAGER

If you’re a Le Carré fan, the book is in fact part of the Smiley Universe via THE RUSSIA HOUSE (which features Ned who is also in THE SECRET PILGRIM). The character of Burr is a man in the book, but wonderfully recast as a female in the TV series.

I’ll say no more. :-)

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:45:42am

re: #538 Dave In Austin

Someone got Airlocked Yesterday. Pls keep it private.

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WTF!?!!? I hope the MSM picks this up. That’s insane.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:48:12am

re: #548 Dr. Matt

WTF!?!!? I hope the MSM picks this up. That’s insane.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:48:57am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:49:23am

re: #549 MsJ

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Touche’

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:49:49am

Here’s the official trailer for the new movie about Freddie Mercury and Queen, and oh yeah, they sure as hell got the right actor.

Bohemian Rhapsody - The Movie: Official Trailer

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:52:26am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:55:06am

re: #550 Dr. Matt

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Actually criticize him and how he runs his country, you miserable hack who wants to be on SCOTUS.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:57:33am

Ipsos, I decided to have a little fun with the comments we exchanged previously. Not sure if you tweet.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 17, 2018 • 7:58:44am

re: #553 MsJ

A Kremlin pool reporter says Putin gave an interview to Fox News, “which belongs to the president of the US.”

Got that backwards.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:00:44am

After my lst post, I couldn’t help but reread a few pages of my favorite bits from John Le Carre’s THE SECRET PILGRIM, and at the end, when Burr (Smiley’s successor) meets the odious Anthony Bradshaw, a venture capitalist and money launderer involved in all kinds of dirty deals (who returns in THE NIGHT MANAGER), Le Carré describes him as that “wrecking infant in our midst.” Rather prescient.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:06:01am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:10:04am
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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:12:32am

Great Peter Daou op-ed in The Guardian.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:13:40am

re: #558 MsJ

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And Russia couldn’t be happier.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:14:56am
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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:15:02am

re: #485 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Y’all have watches. Use them. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Seriously though. It is his upbringing. The peel of the bells can be disquieting and intrusive if you’re not used to them, and you are normally exposed to the call to prayer five times a day.

There are places in the world where it’s not a problem. Most places really.

But some people - Islamophobes/xenophobes have to make it an issue.

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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:16:14am

More about the new EU-Japan trade partnership in The Guardian.

Shinzo Abe, Donald Tusk and Jean-Claude Juncker establish themselves as the flag-bearers of the free world, in response to Donald Trump’s show of apparent solidarity with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki on Monday.

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Belafon  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:16:16am

re: #562 JordanRules

Clapper, Comey, McCabe, and Strzok are just the public faces on a whole lot of people who have dedicated their lives to serving our country.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:16:19am

re: #562 JordanRules

Russia meddled in the election and we can’t trust them. BUT can we trust Clapper, Comey, McCabe, and Strzok?

— Rep. Jim Jordan

Yes, yes we can, Jim.

But we can’t trust Jim Jordan (R-Drumpf)

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:16:34am

Oh Lordy!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:17:21am

re: #567 Dave In Austin

Oh Lordy!!!

The circle of derp has exploded

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:17:32am

re: #538 Dave In Austin

Sorry to hear that.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:17:40am

On Friday, New Hampshire Republican Gov. Chris Sununu transformed his state into ground zero in the assault on voting rights. By signing HB 1264 into law, Sununu effectively imposed a poll tax on college students, compelling many of them to pay hundreds of dollars in fees to establish residence in the state before they’re permitted to vote in New Hampshire. Once it takes effect, the law is almost certain to chill the franchise of younger Democratic-leaning voters—to an extent that could swing the state’s famously close elections. But the measure’s stringent new requirements do not kick in until July 2019, giving Democrats a single opportunity to repeal it before it disenfranchises a key portion of their base. In New Hampshire, the November midterm elections won’t just determine control of the state government. It will decide whether Republicans will be successful in their years-long quest to suppress the college vote, a move that would help them further entrench their own political power.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:20:03am

re: #567 Dave In Austin

Oh Lordy!!!

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:20:28am

re: #562 JordanRules

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Would trust them more than Jim in a shower, that’s for sure.

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plansbandc  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:21:39am

re: #524 Dr. Matt

They definitely got the right actor. I’m going to have to see that one in the theater.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:24:56am

Yes, I read weird shit.

What is an Azealia Banks and when did Nick Cannon morph into Lenny Kravitz?

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fern01  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:25:38am

re: #570 JordanRules

They cannot win fair - so they cheat and cheat and cheat. Where is this democracy of which people talk - GOP US states want to be dictatorships

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TedStriker  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:27:58am

re: #552 Dr Lizardo

Here’s the official trailer for the new movie about Freddie Mercury and Queen, and oh yeah, they sure as hell got the right actor.

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Video

I still think Sacha Baron Cohen could have done Mercury well, but his comedic reputation would have been a distraction; you’re right, the actor they did get for his part is spot on.

This movie looks fucking fantastic.

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ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:28:26am

re: #571 Dave In Austin

Rick Wilson ✔
@TheRickWilson
“Because, sir, The Gateway Pundit is a sewage barge of lunatic conspiracy theories, incoherent Trump jibber-jabber, grammatically challenged ESL, moronic agitprop, and drooling alt-right adjacent fucktardery.”

Which is exactly what Rep. Steve King (L) Iowa does too. Brothers in wingnuttia.

(L) Loony.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:29:45am
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:31:45am
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Dave In Austin  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:32:52am

For me on every tweet from here on out. #RepairAmerica

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:32:57am

Really smart of Trump to immediately call a surprise meeting on taxes to help Republicans get over their tiny concerns about the traitor display yesterday.

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Skip Intro  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:33:57am

re: #545 MsJ

I sure as hell hope so.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:35:12am
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ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:37:08am

re: #574 MsJ

Yes, I read weird shit.

What is an Azealia Banks and when did Nick Cannon morph into Lenny Kravitz?

I get the feeling I don’t want to know. Too much crazy these days and my crazy filter is overtaxed.

I think I need to buy more RAM or something.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:38:00am

re: #571 Dave In Austin

“Because, sir, The Gateway Pundit is a sewage barge of lunatic conspiracy theories, incoherent Trump jibber-jabber, grammatically challenged ESL, moronic agitprop, and drooling alt-right adjacent fucktardery.”

— Rick Wilson

Wow, that’s good.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:40:57am
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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:41:47am

re: #582 Skip Intro

I sure as hell hope so.

It would be a national tragedy if they weren’t already doing so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:42:53am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

In otherwords he wants a media to suck up to Trump like RT does Putin and Mr. May, they don’t respect your Trump, they know him to be the fraud he really is and are enjoying this all.

again: modern Russia is the Conservative Ideal: authoritarian, oligarchic, militaristic, theocratic.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:43:11am

re: #584 ObserverArt

I get the feeling I don’t want to know. Too much crazy these days and my crazy filter is overtaxed.

I think I need to buy more RAM or something.

I looked her up…she is a rapper (at which point I stopped reading because, really, who gives a fuck after that? If she was any good I would have heard her music and I haven’t.)

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:43:37am

Speaking of twitter, the following story is trending:

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:44:09am

re: #571 Dave In Austin

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:44:21am

Uh, excuse me what now???

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dangerman  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:44:28am

re: #571 Dave In Austin

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“Because, sir, The Gateway Pundit is a sewage barge of lunatic conspiracy theories, incoherent Trump jibber-jabber, grammatically challenged ESL, moronic agitprop, and drooling alt-right adjacent fucktardery.

No no no no no
That’s just stating what it is

Gateway pundit gets no traffic because no one wants to read it.

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freetoken  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:44:51am

For those thinking of traveling to Las Vegas:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:45:54am

re: #446 fern01

The people of America rewarded President Obama devoting 8 years of his life to his country, starting with an amazing recovery from an economic melt down, by voting in trump to replace him.

cut us a break: the people did not, the Electoral College did. DT had neither a majority nor a plurality

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gwangung  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:46:06am

re: #588 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again: modern Russia is the Conservative Ideal: authoritarian, oligarchic, militaristic, theocratic.

Homophobic, white supremacist, misogynistic….

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Archangelus  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:46:27am
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dangerman  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:46:53am

re: #581 JordanRules

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In playbook this am: what republicans are telling me on Russia

What the hell do you want us to do?

If congressional repubs don’t know what to do, they should all resign as constitutional incompetents

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:47:15am

re: #451 Jebediah, RBG

I think you mean Geff Sessions.

[sorry]

I have a Gibson SG, which my German friends refer to as a “Jibson Ess-Gay”

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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:47:17am

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:49:05am

re: #590 freetoken

Speaking of twitter, the following story is trending:

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Here’s the actual article.

heavy.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:50:06am

re: #462 HappyWarrior

Chris and Dana need to be investigated especially Dana Gunfucker.

One of the NRA arguments against gun registration was that if the Commies ever took over, then they could just use the registration lists to confiscate all weapons.

Now NRA is colluding with Russia, ostensibly to defend the 2nd Amendment

It cannot get any more mind-fucked…

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:51:14am

re: #592 JordanRules

We have no way of knowing what happened in those missing 2 hours when Trump and Putin were alone. Crazy.

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gocart mozart  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:53:39am
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Lupin  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:54:44am

JMS is totally right. This photo speaks volumes. This is not about a “pee pee tape” but criminal activity of the highest order. I think my general friend is correct. Trump looks terrified.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:55:10am

re: #590 freetoken

Speaking of twitter, the following story is trending:

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Corporations are people my friend. Except sometimes they’re not …

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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:56:31am

re: #605 Lupin

JMS is totally right. This photo speaks volumes. This is not about a “pee pee tape” but criminal activity of the highest order. I think my general friend is correct. Trump looks terrified.

I concur on JMS’ warning: Watch the horizon.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:58:15am

re: #600 Teukka

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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 8:59:12am

re: #608 MsJ

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Archangelus  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:00:05am
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Skip Intro  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:01:24am

This guy sits on the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals, but he’s destined for better things under Trump.

A quote:

“You must realize that, if they want to pollute the water and the air, very rich people are forced to buy politicians on the cheap. I am not an ideological maniac.”

esquire.com

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dangerman  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:01:32am

re: #603 JordanRules

We have no way of knowing what happened in those missing 2 hours when Trump and Putin were alone. Crazy.

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I read this am that the translator gets debriefed

He is not part of the admin..no exec privilege
And he’s not a lawyer..no atty/client

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:01:49am
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gocart mozart  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:01:57am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:03:49am

re: #613 JordanRules

So many non-sequiters here, I just don’t know…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:03:50am

re: #491 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

In the course of every presidency, there are “defining moments” that, in the fullness of time, turn out not to be.
Yesterday, was unmistakably, unalterably a defining moment for Donald Trump.
It will never be forgotten.

Lost in the tussle was his pardon for the Bundy Ranchers. Basically encouraging anyone who would take up arms against the US government.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:05:08am

Can’t find any additional info yet, but you know he doesn’t usually fire people face to face so who the hell knows what’s up.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:05:53am

re: #613 JordanRules

So at least one GOP member of Congress has gotten the new talking points. They’re really lame talking points.

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dangerman  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:06:11am

re: #614 gocart mozart

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Marcy, is it possible Putin told Trump he’d better start the process of firing Rosenstein & Mueller because they’re closing in on him and this isn’t only about obstruction anymore

After Friday and yesterday
IMo getting rid of Mueller now would be political suicide

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:06:30am

re: #617 JordanRules

Probably not a congratulatory atta-boy. //

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:07:36am

re: #618 Sir John Barron

So at least one GOP member of Congress has gotten the new talking points. They’re really lame talking points.

Very traitor-y talking points.

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ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:07:48am

After reading around a bit and seeing all the images in the tweets, etc., was there anyone in the Republican party that has not met and taken a photo with Maria Butina?

There should be a lot of worried politicians and conservative leaders sweating today.

But then, they probably all figure they are covered by Trump.

Yesterday provided a ton of reasons for our media to really dig in and spend time going over everything GOP and Russian. Everything…from about 2010 on.

Let’s see if they do their damn jobs. They have been challenged like they haven’t been challenged in a long long time. Careers can be made. Legends can be made. History can be made.

Get the fuck to work!

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:07:57am

re: #614 gocart mozart

To be honest, Republicans are in a tough spot. Many are in the pocket of the Russians either directly or through the NRA. I am sure that the majority of them will want to actively do everything they can to stop the Mueller investigation because they are as traitorous as Trump. This is a really bad spot to be in. And an even worse spot for the US.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:11:40am

re: #596 gwangung

Homophobic, white supremacist, misogynistic….

I was about to add those, but they generally fall under the heading “theocratic” (ass it applies to Russian Orthodoxy and fundamentalist Protestantism)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:12:41am

re: #597 Archangelus

Dear @GOP @SenateGOP :
“Some in the media describe Republicans after the #TreasonSummit as caught between a rock & a hard place with a difficult decision to make.”
When did choosing between being an American or a traitor become a “difficult decision”?
BECAUSE IT ISN’T!

Because it is a matter of holding onto power with a minority of popular votes nationwide

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:14:30am

re: #619 dangerman

After Friday and yesterday
IMo getting rid of Mueller now would be political suicide

Alas, how many times has this been said in the past?

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Archangelus  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:14:57am

re: #623 MsJ

To be honest, Republicans are in a tough spot. Many are in the pocket of the Russians either directly or through the NRA. I am sure that the majority of them will want to actively do everything they can to stop the Mueller investigation because they are as traitorous as Trump. This is a really bad spot to be in. And an even worse spot for the US.

Then they should fall on their freaking swords with a semblance of loyalty to their nation.
Like I wrote in one of my tweets posted above, when did choosing between being an American or a traitor become a difficult decision? It isn’t. They’ll face the heat one way or another.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:15:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:15:23am

re: #626 MsJ

Alas, how many times has this been said in the past?

Getting rid of the troublesome priest would not derail the investigation, he would have to fire EVERONE involved

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ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:16:09am

re: #619 dangerman

After Friday and yesterday
IMo getting rid of Mueller now would be political suicide

Which is why he may do it.

Yesterday he pushed the limits pretty hard.

At this time, Trump political suicide might be what is needed to really push the Orange Boob out.

We’ve seen all kinds of outrageousness that hasn’t really done anything as far getting people truly pissed off. He might have to go full obstruction to make it clear he is dirty.

Of course, I can’t see why everyone isn’t pissed off now.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:16:40am

re: #627 Archangelus

Then they should fall on their freaking swords with a semblance of loyalty to their nation.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(breathe)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:17:53am

re: #630 ObserverArt

Which is why he may do it.

Yesterday he pushed the limits pretty hard.

At this time, Trump political suicide might be what is needed to really push the Orange Boob out.

We’ve seen all kinds of outrageousness that hasn’t really done anything as far getting people truly pissed off. He might have to go full obstruction to make it clear he is dirty.

Of course, I can’t see why everyone isn’t pissed off now.

Trump could always count on a solid voting 30% of the electorate regardless.

I think that his recent actions might have dimished that share.

Which will make it that much harder for the GOP to gather up enough voters to win majorities.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:18:58am

re: #630 ObserverArt

Which is why he may do it.

Yesterday he pushed the limits pretty hard.

At this time, Trump political suicide might be what is needed to really push the Orange Boob out.

We’ve seen all kinds of outrageousness that hasn’t really done anything as far getting people truly pissed off. He might have to go full obstruction to make it clear he is dirty.

Of course, I can’t see why everyone isn’t pissed off now.

You assume there is anything he can do that:

1) republicans won’t support (other than perhaps a mean tweet of condemnation) and

2) would push him out of anything because trump sees trump and what is good for trump and what trump wants or needs and everything else…in terms of how it benefits trump.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:20:01am

Re-election for a Rep in a Dem state makes you sound less insane. Huh. Imagine that.

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gocart mozart  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:20:27am
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Weaselone  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:22:01am

re: #627 Archangelus

Then they should fall on their freaking swords with a semblance of loyalty to their nation.
Like I wrote in one of my tweets posted above, when did choosing between being an American or a traitor become a difficult decision? It isn’t. They’ll face the heat one way or another.

That’s the rub. Democrats and Republicans now define their “nation” differently. Liberals and various minority groups are no longer included in the Republican definition of “nation” and indeed lie further outside of it than Russians for many of them.

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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:22:46am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:23:10am

re: #603 JordanRules

We have no way of knowing what happened in those missing 2 hours when Trump and Putin were alone. Crazy.

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My guess is that Putin described various ways in which Mueller and Rosenstein can be neutralized and made to look totally like an accident but if Trump deviates EVEN ONE STEP from Putin’s plan they will release the tapes of their conversation to make it look like Donald is the one who suggested it and even carried it out.

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gocart mozart  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:23:20am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:23:50am
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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:25:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:27:21am

re: #641 Teukka

Americans now deserve to be told what was said in the secret part of the Helsinki meeting.

as soon as Putin deems it appropriate

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ericblair  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:28:50am

re: #623 MsJ

To be honest, Republicans are in a tough spot. Many are in the pocket of the Russians either directly or through the NRA. I am sure that the majority of them will want to actively do everything they can to stop the Mueller investigation because they are as traitorous as Trump. This is a really bad spot to be in. And an even worse spot for the US.

My guess is that, through total disregard for anything like good government and just plain stupidity/laziness, most of the Congressional goopers have no idea where a lot of the money actually came from and are scared to find out. Plus, they have no idea what their peers have done that could drag them into some huge mess.

So, could some lawyer type explain what happens if an organization is designated a criminal conspiracy, how it’s done, and what’s the impact? In the last criminal complaint it seems that major parts of the Republican party are obviously that.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:31:07am
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lawhawk  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:31:24am

More circumstantial evidence that Trump had Clinton’s stolen analytics - provided to his campaign by the Russians. The timing of the ad buys and drops of buys.

At the time, I thought the ad buys and dropping ads in states like CO was proof that Trump was losing. Now, it turns out that was likely due to Trump having the critical info to shape the outcome based on Clinton’s analytics.

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:34:05am

While discussing Republican opportunities to show they are not traitors to America, let’s remember Jeff Sessions, of the transition team, of putting brown babies in cages, A+ with the Russian funded NRA.

And long time member of Congress who got affirmed with many D votes.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:36:25am

Meeting is reportedly about next round of tax reform. So he’ll attack the press and ignore questions on Russia then?

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:37:46am

re: #646 MsJ

While discussing Republican opportunities to show they are not traitors to America, let’s remember Jeff Sessions, of the transition team, of putting brown babies in cages, A+ with the Russian funded NRA.

And long time member of Congress who got affirmed with many D votes.

No demonstrable falsehoods detected!

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ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:41:20am

re: #633 MsJ

You assume there is anything he can do that:

1) republicans won’t support (other than perhaps a mean tweet of condemnation) and

2) would push him out of anything because trump sees trump and what is good for trump and what trump wants or needs and everything else…in terms of how it benefits trump.

I’m not talking about politicians. It is getting to the point where the U.S. citizens are going to have to send some big messages. This is where the media becomes more important than what they have been. They have to sense the urgency and start to build the overall feeling that America needs huge change.

The only thing politicians can do at that point is decide if they want to stay in their offices or give them up. They need to be made to make that one simple choice. And if they want to stay they need to join in the change.

It is in a way what happened to Nixon. He wasn’t loved but he hung on because people didn’t know the extent of his activities. It took the media to bring him down with the help of an informant that pointed them in the right directions.

After yesterday I’m hoping Trump may have pushed on too many people that now can’t deny his danger. If they love this country they will start to bring him down.

The politicians still answer to the people. They need to start answering yesterday.

We’ve already seen some big demonstrations. If Trump fires Rosenstein and the Mueller Investigation is ended, the civil unrest is going to be huge.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:41:42am

Oh I remember this presser.

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gocart mozart  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:41:46am
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gocart mozart  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:43:28am

Butina Affidavit
justice.gov

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Jay C  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:43:46am

re: #647 JordanRules

Shouldn’t this read

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Meeting is reportedly about next round of tax returns-cut scams to benefit the wealthy. So he’ll attack the press and ignore questions on Russia then?

I can’t imagine actual “tax returns” (and certainly not his own) being anything Trump would ever want to bring up in a meeting…

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:46:22am

re: #653 Jay C

Shouldn’t this read

I can’t imagine actual “tax returns” (and certainly not his own) being anything Trump would ever want to bring up in a meeting…

I edited it to ‘reform’ which was what I meant to type. Trump’s tax returns must have been on my brain.

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Jay C  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:48:18am

re: #654 JordanRules

I edited it to ‘reform’ which was what I meant to type. Trump’s tax returns must have been on my brain.

Even so, I’d have probably edited the same “fixt” snark….

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:49:33am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:49:42am

When the Pest Control guy you called shows up in a company pickup truck emblazoned with the Confederate Flag…

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:51:42am
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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:51:45am

re: #617 JordanRules

Can’t find any additional info yet, but you know he doesn’t usually fire people face to face so who the hell knows what’s up.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:53:48am

re: #657 Eclectic Cyborg

When the Pest Control guy you called shows up in a company pickup truck emblazoned with the Confederate Flag…

Nope sorry, must have been a mistake.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:54:03am

Lordt

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:55:17am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:55:31am

re: #656 JordanRules

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Then this person should have no problem with me re-joining Facefook (intentional) and constantly posting everywhere I can that “Bickert fucks sheep while his mother films it”.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:58:23am

Dare I say it? You bet I do. OCCUPY our nation.

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Archangelus  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:58:54am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 9:58:56am

re: #613 JordanRules

“Hi, my name’s Rand Paul, and I heard that the award for the nation’s most douchiest Senator was up for grabs and decided I’d take a shot at it. “

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:00:37am

re: #662 JordanRules

Jeff Flake boo hoo hoo
Can’t have cake and eat it too

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:03:11am

re: #665 Archangelus

Russia meddled in the election and we can’t trust them. BUT can we trust Clapper, Comey, McCabe, and Strzok?

— Rep. Jim Jordan

Such a cute attempt to demonize people who did their jobs, unlike you and your WH boss.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:05:19am

re: #645 lawhawk

WATCH! More evidence of conspiracy & treason.

Russia’s military gave Trump the Clinton analytics which handed Trump the win in PA, WI, MI, the 3 stolen EC states

Magic Manafort & Hannity.

Manafort called it 100% … none of the experts did.

More circumstantial evidence that Trump had Clinton’s stolen analytics - provided to his campaign by the Russians. The timing of the ad buys and drops of buys.

At the time, I thought the ad buys and dropping ads in states like CO was proof that Trump was losing. Now, it turns out that was likely due to Trump having the critical info to shape the outcome based on Clinton’s analytics.

Wow. Great point. Remember all of us laughing at Trump’s travel schedule the day before the election?? We were making fun of it. I believe Charles posted the info and we were mocking it. It seems, perhaps, that chaotic schedule was indeed driven by analytics.

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Interesting Times  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:05:24am
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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:09:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:09:18am

re: #670 Interesting Times

Putin has grabbed America by the pussy. The pussy being Trump. And why? When you’re a tsar, they let you do it.

you move on them like a bitch because he is your bitch

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:11:52am

re: #671 JordanRules

Reminds me of “The Shaver Mystery”.

I wonder if Richard Shaver read that book somewhere along the way.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:18:46am
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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:23:06am

BTW, Anna Chapman and the other members of the “Illegals Program” were exchanged for persons in Russia, one of whom was Sergei Skripal. Yeah, that Sergei Skripal.
The one who SVR tried to Novichok along with his daughter…

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:23:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:23:15am

re: #674 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Japan, EU sign agreement to eliminate tariffs between them

Eastasia and Eurasia have both always been our enemies…

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:25:13am

It rained last night. Enough to get a guy at the low end of my walk to work a new (to him) barbecue.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:25:53am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:27:52am

re: #679 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Of course.

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:27:54am
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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:28:53am

Thread from the day after the election.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:29:08am
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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:29:40am
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Weaselone  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:30:20am

re: #661 JordanRules

You would think this wouldn’t be difficult. If the page is consistently peddling/promoting false content as news without clearly being satire, it should be removed regardless of whether it has a left wing or right wing slant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:30:39am

re: #684 jaunte

Trump is enriching himself with our money. This alone is an impeachable offense.

that would require the political will to bring charges

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:31:10am

re: #686 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:32:28am

Hmmm…so is the meeting about tax reform and treason?
Ughh.
He wants some more attention and will attack the press.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:33:43am

re: #681 jaunte

Like I’ve said before, I likely wouldn’t agree with Arnold on a good many things - but he’s more of an American than Trump could ever hope to be.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:34:23am

re: #686 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that would require the political will to bring charges

Yep, only a penalty if the ref calls it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:34:29am

re: #687 jaunte

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Alex Jones would say the babies were deep staters who had it coming.

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:34:41am
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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:35:11am

re: #685 Weaselone

You would think this wouldn’t be difficult. If the page is consistently peddling/promoting false content as news without clearly being satire, it should be removed regardless of whether it has a left wing or right wing slant.

I believe they do that for FB in other countries.

Our laws and monetization models here let the dangerous and democracy killing bullshit fly.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:36:46am

re: #689 Dr Lizardo

Like I’ve said before, I likely wouldn’t agree with Arnold on a good many things - but he’s more of an American than Trump could ever hope to be.

He gets it. How frigging sad is the most sane GOPer is the guy who once called his opponents girly men. He’s a fine American tho and I’m glad he’s got this right. He’s gotten better since leaving the governor mansion in his articulation.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:37:25am

re: #692 jaunte

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Because conservatives these days are a political cult.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:37:30am

re: #693 JordanRules

I believe they do that for FB in other countries.

Our laws and monetization models here let the dangerous and democracy killing bullshit fly.

we have people here gullible enough to believe shit that they see on social media

I repeat: social media is for news about where yo’ homies is hangin’ and worth little else

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:37:39am

“…The nation’s top voting machine maker has admitted in a letter to a federal lawmaker that the company installed remote-access software on election-management systems it sold over a period of six years, raising questions about the security of those systems and the integrity of elections that were conducted with them.

In a letter sent to Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) in April and obtained recently by Motherboard, Election Systems and Software acknowledged that it had “provided pcAnywhere remote connection software … to a small number of customers between 2000 and 2006,” which was installed on the election-management system ES&S sold them.

The statement contradicts what the company told me and fact checkers for a story I wrote for the New York Times in February. At that time, a spokesperson said ES&S had never installed pcAnywhere on any election system it sold. “None of the employees, … including long-tenured employees, has any knowledge that our voting systems have ever been sold with remote-access software,” the spokesperson said.

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:39:10am

This will always crack me up:

Jeffry Lane Flake was born in Snowflake, Arizona…

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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:41:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:41:29am

re: #698 wrenchwench

Jeffry Lane Flake was born in Snowflake, Arizona…

beautiful country up there

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:42:05am

One thing that struck me, seeing the replay of Trump and Putin first entering the room for the sit-down in the morning and then them entering the hall for the press conference was how well Trump did on keeping his pace in line with Putin. In the hall they made sure that Putin stepped up on the dais a fraction of a second before Trump so that there was little recognizable difference in their heights at that moment. He worried and prepared for this far more than he did for NATO or tea with the Queen.

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Teukka  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:43:08am

re: #675 Teukka

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BTW, Anna Chapman and the other members of the “Illegals Program” were exchanged for persons in Russia, one of whom was Sergei Skripal. Yeah, that Sergei Skripal.
The one who SVR tried to Novichok along with his daughter…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:43:24am

re: #688 JordanRules

Hmmm…so is the meeting about tax reform and treason?
Ughh.
He wants some more attention and will attack the press.

You saw our great press conference yesterday, right? I was tough, very tough. But good relations. Very bad questions from press, just stupid. Our country’s been stupid. You’ll see how well we’ll do. What about her server? Where is it? They should investigate.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:45:01am

re: #692 jaunte

I’m rewatching the tape now, picking out quotes, and the Conversations with Conservatives event today

Oh, you mean ‘Conversations with Conservatives’ is a real thing?

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:45:02am

re: #696 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we have people here gullible enough to believe shit that they see on social media

I repeat: social media is for news about where yo’ homies is hangin’ and worth little else

Not gonna keep redoing the debate over that technology for the 20th time. That would make me crazy and I probably shouldn’t have kept indulging after the 15th time so carry on and enjoy your mantra.

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:45:58am

re: #704 Sir John Barron

Confirmation Bias Circle Jerk was a bit too long.

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wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:47:46am

re: #700 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

beautiful country up there

Anyone who thinks the Saguaros are the only forest AZ has, needs to go. Now. Jeff is in DC. He can’t hurt you.

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:49:40am

Holy shit. LMAO and SMH
Pick-up hoops may never be the same.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:51:12am

re: #705 JordanRules

Not gonna keep redoing the debate over that technology for the 20th time. That would make me crazy and I probably shouldn’t have kept indulging after the 15th time so carry on and enjoy your mantra.

I have a dim view of social media and its uses.

as a source of raw information, yes

as a source of journalism, no

a lot of people are unaware of those distinctions

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:51:45am
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Jay C  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:53:20am

re: #694 HappyWarrior

re: #689 Dr Lizardo

Like I’ve said before, I likely wouldn’t agree with Arnold on a good many things - but he’s more of an American than Trump could ever hope to be.

He gets it. How frigging sad is the most sane GOPer is the guy who once called his opponents girly men. He’s a fine American tho and I’m glad he’s got this right. He’s gotten better since leaving the governor mansion in his articulation.

Maybe his not being born in America has given him a different perspective on things, like maybe taking some of the ideals of this country seriously.

After all, converts are usually more religious than those born to it…..

712
jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:54:17am

Some more thoughts on calling it treason:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:54:41am

Nice dog.
Get a haircut hippie

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BeachDem  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:54:45am

re: #703 Sir John Barron

You saw our great press conference yesterday, right? I was tough, very tough. But good relations. Very bad questions from press, just stupid. Our country’s been stupid. You’ll see how well we’ll do. What about her server? Where is it? They should investigate.

The yam: “Where is the server and what is the server saying?”

Does he even know what a server is?

715
jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:57:43am
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MsJ  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:57:53am
717
Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:59:01am

re: #714 BeachDem

The yam: “Where is the server and what is the server saying?”

Does he even know what a server is?

“It’s a big electric thing that has all the 30k emails that she buried out in the ground of the Clinton Foundation somewhere.”

718
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 10:59:02am

re: #710 JordanRules

This is Putin’s fourth US president and this is the summit he has dreamed of for 18 years.”

Natasha was my fourth girlfriend and the one I dreamed of for 18 years…she was a chain-smoking, alcoholic nymphomaniac with limpid green eyes to die for.
A graduate of Mendellev Institue with a degree in chemistry. Could recite Akhmatova, Mandel’shtam and Yesenin poems by heart.

Told me that she worked as an English interpreter for the 1980 Moscow Olympics, which brought her into contact with the security forces, who hired her to collect information.

Says they dressed her up in diamonds and a black evening dress and dumped her in an Intourist hotel and instructed her that the gentlemen at the bar were international drug runners and she was to get information out of them using all means available.

Says she was nineteen at the time and quite naive and could not go through with it.

Good thing, or the Cold War might have ended differently, if she had gone after Stealth Technology, she would have gotten her hands on it.

“Go ahead, copy the diskettes and the blueprints if you want…just let me rest for ten minutes before you pounce on me again!”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:00:08am

re: #714 BeachDem

The yam: “Where is the server and what is the server saying?”

Does he even know what a server is?

“It’s a series of tubes.”

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:00:13am

“…First off, CrowdStrike, the company the DNC brought on to initially investigate and remediate the hack, actually shared images of the DNC servers with the FBI. For the purposes of an investigation of this type, images are much more useful than handing over metal and hardware, because they are bit-by-bit copies of a crime scene taken while the crime was going on. Live hard drive and memory snapshots of blinking, powered-on machines in a network reveal significantly more forensic data than some powered-off server removed from a network. It’s the difference between watching a house over time, carefully noting down who comes and goes and when and how, versus handing over a key to a lonely boarded-up building. By physically handing over a server to the FBI as Trump suggested, the DNC would in fact have destroyed evidence. (Besides, there wasn’t just one server, but 140.)

An advanced investigation of an advanced hacking operation requires significantly more than just access to servers. Investigators want access to the attack infrastructure — the equivalent to a chain of getaway cars of a team of burglars. And the latest indictments are rich with details that likely come from intercepting command-and-control boxes (in effect, bugging those getaway cars), and which have nothing to do with physical access to the DNC’s servers.

The FBI and Robert Mueller’s investigators discovered when and how specific Russian military officers logged into a control panel on a leased machine in Arizona. They found that the GRU officers secretly surveilled a DCCC employee all day in real time, including spying on “her individual banking information and other personal topics.” They showed that “Guccifer 2.0,” the supposed lone hacker behind the DNC hack, was in fact managed by a specific GRU unit, and even reconstructed the internet searches made within that unit while a GRU officer with shoddy English skills was drafting the first post as Guccifer 2.0. None of this information could have possibly come from any DNC server.”
politico.com

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VegasGolfer  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:02:32am

Pelosi speaking on trump
facebook.com

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:04:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:05:19am

re: #722 jaunte

Two years ago, Republican lawmakers, in a closed door meeting, joked about how Trump was owned by Putin.

Remember that when they come out with their “we cant believe Trump trusts Putin” faces today.

They knew then and did NOTHING to stop it. They are complicit.

and that is the problem, if they try to toss him under the bus, he will also pull them along with him…

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Jay C  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:10:13am

re: #714 BeachDem

The yam: “Where is the server and what is the server saying?”

Does he even know what a server is?

You think Trump knows or cares “what a server is”?? What he knows - and what really matters to him - is what the mouthbreather rubes in red MAGA caps think it is. And if they get the image of a solitary “server” (which they probably view as an old desktop-tower sort of device) onto which Crooked Hillary “illegally” loaded “incriminating” “Top Secret” emails, in order to hide them from the Long Arm Of Justice, so much the better.
In TrumpWorld, “simple” is always better. Like his base….

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:10:34am

Dig into this story when you get a moment. It’s absolutely nuts.

The tale begins in Hugo, Oklahoma, in 1963, when Wilson was 18 years old. It includes charges of familial murder, a home destroyed by fire, years of amnesia and the start of a winding path that led a young man to a legal career and, now, ambitions to serve in the Arizona Legislature.

amp.azcentral.com

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JordanRules  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:12:32am
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ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:12:53am

re: #723 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and that is the problem, if they try to toss him under the bus, he will also pull them along with him…

Good!

I think that is what is going to happen anyway. There are going to be a whole lot of people swept up in this one. If a bunch of corrupt conservative politicians get dragged down by Trump they will have deserved it.

And that is the way our government gets cleaned up.

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:14:07am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:14:28am

re: #726 JordanRules

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I haven’t. There are a lot of crimes Trump has to pay for but deserve’s got nothing to do with it.

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:14:39am

Our country is being bought out from under us.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:15:39am

re: #728 jaunte

[Embedded content]

It’s your favorite new game show, Collusion! And heeeeeeres your host, Don-ald Trum-p!

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Jay C  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:17:41am

re: #728 jaunte

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I realize that this can’t be corrected by the present (corrupt and craven) Congress, but is this some sort of administrative ruling that might be correctible by legislative action?

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jaunte  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:32:29am

re: #732 Jay C

Maybe:

“The Republican-controlled House in 2016 passed the Preventing IRS Abuse and Protecting Free Speech Act, though the Senate never voted on it. The bill would have eliminated the confidential donor form.”

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BeachDem  Jul 17, 2018 • 11:33:34am

re: #717 Sir John Barron

“It’s a big electric thing that has all the 30k emails that she buried out in the ground of the Clinton Foundation somewhere.”

And then she threw bleach at it—ya know, like you scrub down coal to make it clean.


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