Video: Is Trumpism Just a Synonym for Fascism? Yes, Obviously.

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It’s time to stop using the word Trumpism and start calling the president and his movement what they really are: fascism, a word that was used by everyone to mean anything until nobody would want to use it during the time when it really mattered: now. This is part 3 of an ongoing series about how yeah obviously Trump’s a stupid idiot fascist, I mean my goodness.

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Teukka  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:07:06pm

From downstairs:

Trump supporters 6 months ago:
“There were no meetings with any Russians.”

Trump supporters 3 months ago:
“They just forgot to report the meetings with Russians.”

Trump supporters last week:
“There’s no evidence of collusion with Russia!!”

Trump supporters 3 days ago:
“Who cares if the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?”

Trump supporters yesterday:
“It’s Obama’s fault for not stopping the meetings with Russians.”

Trump’s lawyer Jay Sekulow today:
“It’s the Secret Service’s fault for not stopping the meeting with Russians.”

Trump supporters tomorrow:
“Трамп собирается сделать Россию великой снова!”

~ Russell Meyers

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MsJ  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:18:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:19:47pm

Of course it is, it’s another shitty offshoot.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:25:21pm

In reality, Mussolini didn’t even make the trains run on time.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:25:27pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:27:49pm

The NYT finally allows someone to write about middle-Americans who aren’t racist dipshits. (via BJ)

What my father seeks is not a return to times that were worse for women and people of color but progress toward a society in which everyone can get by, including his white, college-educated son who graduated into the Great Recession and for 10 years sold his own plasma for gas money. After being laid off during that recession in 2008, my dad had to cash in his retirement to make ends meet while looking for another job. He has labored nearly every day of his life and has no savings beyond Social Security.

Yes, my father is angry at someone. But it is not his co-worker Gem, a Filipino immigrant with whom he has split a room to pocket some of the per diem from their employer, or Francisco, a Hispanic crew member with whom he recently built a Wendy’s north of Memphis. His anger, rather, is directed at bosses who exploit labor and governments that punish the working poor — two sides of a capitalist democracy that bleeds people like him dry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:32:07pm

re: #2 MsJ

And with that, I made sure I am registered to vote this fall. I missed the last election (thank God my vote didn’t make a difference in my state!) due to a medical emergency, and there’s no way on God’s green earth that I am going to miss this one.

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jaunte  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:38:00pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:41:27pm

re: #8 jaunte

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The TV rebroadcasts, because in the finest tradition of giant IT corporations everywhere, the original slow-scan tapes got overwritten thanks to lovely bureaucratic mishandling years ago.

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jaunte  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:42:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:43:09pm

Hey, so you remember how, on the last thread, I mentioned that Mrs. FBW wanted to get a puppy?

This is Dory. She’s 8 weeks old, about the size of Rango’s head. So far, she doesn’t know what to make of him, but then probably all she can see of him is two enormous nostrils!

She’s a…well…a dog. Looks like she’ll end up being a little dog, which is what Mrs. FBW wants - a lap dog. Can’t quite make a Greyhound into a lap dog!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:44:13pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, so you remember how, on the last thread, I mentioned that Mrs. FBW wanted to get a puppy?

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This is Dory. She’s 8 weeks old, about the size of Rango’s head. So far, she doesn’t know what to make of him, but then probably all she can see of him is two enormous nostrils!

She’s a…well…a dog. Looks like she’ll end up being a little dog, which is what Mrs. FBW wants - a lap dog. Can’t quite make a Greyhound into a lap dog!

Fantastic! Welcome to the family. How is Rango taking the news?

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MsJ  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:47:22pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:49:04pm

re: #13 MsJ

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MsJ  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:49:41pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

She’s precious!! Congratulations!!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:50:44pm

re: #13 MsJ

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Come on! Haha suckers

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jaunte  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:50:56pm

That sounds more like Trump.

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mmmirele  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:51:17pm

re: #2 MsJ

Registered to vote…I knew I was on the early voting list because I received a postcard from the county asking if I wanted to change my preferences (NOPE).

ETA: this tool checks with the AZ Secretary of State, not with Maricopa county.

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Targetpractice  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:52:54pm

re: #17 jaunte

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That sounds more like Trump.

Trump’s thinking: “If I pay cash, there’s nothing linking me to her.”

Cohen’s thinking: “If I have a check made out to her, there’s no way for her to deny payment.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:53:24pm

re: #17 jaunte

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That sounds more like Trump.

A check to pay her off? Yeah that’s the guy looking for Andrew Jackson.

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stpaulbear  Jul 20, 2018 • 7:59:59pm

re: #8 jaunte

NASA

@NASA
Right now in @NASAHistory, Neil Armstrong opens the #Apollo11 lunar module hatch and squeezes through the opening. Tune in to NASA Television NOW to watch archived footage of the first Moonwalks, played in real-time as if it were July 20, 1969: nasa.gov

Damn. I tuned in one minute after the first step onto the moon.

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unproven innocence  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:08:42pm

re: #21 stpaulbear

Damn. I tuned in one minute after the first step onto the moon.

I watched it live. (I’m old)

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jaunte  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:10:11pm

re: #21 stpaulbear

I remember feeling some suspense about him taking that step down, wondering if there was any vaccuum-moondust-quicksand waiting to take him down.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:16:59pm

re: #17 jaunte

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That sounds more like Trump.

More lol

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unproven innocence  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:20:08pm

Just a bit OT: Microsoft: The Kremlin’s hackers are already sniffing, probing around America’s 2018 elections
Russia’s Fancy Bear crew caught gearing up for mid-terms
By Shaun Nichols in San Francisco 20 Jul 2018 at 21:04

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Stanley Sea  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:21:37pm

Follow Rodney

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Stanley Sea  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:25:00pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:25:28pm

The DOG

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stpaulbear  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:25:36pm

While rifling around in my records this evening I pulled out my one Russian record. It’s a Paul McCartney album called Снова в СССР.

(It’s) the seventh solo studio album by Paul McCartney under his own name, originally released in 1988 exclusively in the Soviet Union. The album consists entirely of covers, mainly of rock and roll oldies (similar to John Lennon’s 1975 album Rock ‘n’ Roll). With the addition of an extra track, it was released internationally in 1991.

Following the tepid reaction to his 1986 studio album Press to Play, McCartney spent much of the first half of 1987 plotting his next album. In March he recorded an album’s worth of songs with producer Phil Ramone but those sessions only produced the single “Once Upon a Long Ago” backed with “Back on My Feet,” released only in the United Kingdom that November.

Following a series of jam sessions with various British musicians where they played some of his favourite songs from the 1950s, McCartney decided to record the songs live in the studio. Over the course of two days in July 1987, McCartney recorded twenty songs…

A bunch of copies of the original Russian pressing of the record wound up in the Twin Cities in January of 1980. They must have been brought here by some staffers who were preparing for Mikhail Gorbachev to visit the Minnesota Governor in June. Mrs. Gorbachev stopped at a South Minneapolis Mexican restaurant and also at a drugstore where she looked at nail polish and Snicker’s bars, and bought some bubble gum to take back to her grandkids.

This feels like it happened 100 years ago.

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stpaulbear  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:26:26pm

re: #22 unproven innocence

I watched it live. (I’m old)

Me too.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:32:05pm

re: #30 stpaulbear

Me too.

re: #23 jaunte

I remember feeling some suspense about him taking that step down, wondering if there was any vaccuum-moondust-quicksand waiting to take him down.

There I was barely eight years old watching with Mom. I grew up in hearing range of Rockedynes facility where they ground tested that big engine for stage 1. But really I was an X plane kid. We were a small plane flying family. I built the X-15 model several times. Neil Armstrong is as famous to me for the X-15 as the first steps. That was the shit, flying an analog rocket airplane to space and back. Yeager got nothin on Armstrong. Oh my vodka and nostalgia tonight… I better just lurk.

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BeachDem  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:37:02pm

re: #30 stpaulbear

Me too.

Me three. We didn’t have a tv set (poor college students) so we banged on our neighbors’ door and asked if we could watch theirs. They were like, huh? Moon? What are you talking about. We explained and they let us in to watch.

And this song is like an Armstrong earworm for me.

Reg Lindsay - Armstrong

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makeitstop  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:43:44pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, so you remember how, on the last thread, I mentioned that Mrs. FBW wanted to get a puppy?

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This is Dory. She’s 8 weeks old, about the size of Rango’s head. So far, she doesn’t know what to make of him, but then probably all she can see of him is two enormous nostrils!

She’s a…well…a dog. Looks like she’ll end up being a little dog, which is what Mrs. FBW wants - a lap dog. Can’t quite make a Greyhound into a lap dog!

Puppy! She’s a cutie.

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Belafon  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:47:09pm

re: #25 unproven innocence

Just a bit OT: Microsoft: The Kremlin’s hackers are already sniffing, probing around America’s 2018 elections
Russia’s Fancy Bear crew caught gearing up for mid-terms
By Shaun Nichols in San Francisco 20 Jul 2018 at 21:04

Is Microsoft the only company monitoring this?

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austin_blue  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:48:53pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, so you remember how, on the last thread, I mentioned that Mrs. FBW wanted to get a puppy?

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This is Dory. She’s 8 weeks old, about the size of Rango’s head. So far, she doesn’t know what to make of him, but then probably all she can see of him is two enormous nostrils!

She’s a…well…a dog. Looks like she’ll end up being a little dog, which is what Mrs. FBW wants - a lap dog. Can’t quite make a Greyhound into a lap dog!

But very often, a Greyhound wants to BE a lapdog, whether you want it to or not.

My SIL and her husband in England had a brindle Canary Island Mastiff, a 120-pound doggo named Belladonna. Bella was just the sweetest dog ever. Well trained. But she had two salient functions outside of being a sweetheart who had the most threatening bark in the world:

A: Farting. That dog could release intestinal gas worthy of a Gold Medal at any Olympiad; and

B: Lap sitting, resulting in a complete lack of blood flow to one’s lower legs while watching Chelsea versus Man City, demanding belly rubs.

She sadly died a couple of years ago (age 11), as many of the large breeds do. We wept. She was a Good Dog.

They now have a Black Russian Terrier who is a show dog. If you haven’t seen one of these gentle monsters (If raised right, they were former war dogs) they are gorgeous animals. Martha is winning ribbons at Kruft’s and other shows across England. Thirty three inches at the shoulder, 145 pounds. Just turned two. And, again, an absolute sweetheart. The Alpha Dog in the house remains a 13-year old Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, going blind, going deaf, but still Alpha.

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Belafon  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:49:13pm

re: #22 unproven innocence

I watched it live. (I’m old)

I was born on the day the Apollo 12 landed. Kind of the story of my life, one off the big events.

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stpaulbear  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:49:18pm

re: #34 Belafon

Is Microsoft the only company monitoring this?

Facebook is adding some staff to their advertising and ‘accounts recievable’ departments.

(edited to correct dumb mistake)

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BeachDem  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:50:26pm

Bakari pulling zero punches:

Sellers said, “…What we learned today is, one, Donald Trump’s a liar. I think we already knew that. Two, Rudy Giuliani is not the best attorney. And, three, that Michael Cohen is unethical…

“We saw him tweet about the NFL and Roger Goodell today. We see this new porn star. This new Playboy Playmate came out. So I think they want a distraction from the fact he was fundamentally owned by Vladimir Putin earlier this week.”

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Belafon  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:54:30pm
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mmmirele  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:56:29pm

The weekend we landed on the moon in 1969, I remember we kids were being cared for by our hippie uncle Richard as our parents had driven from the Bay Area to Reno for some gambling. And yes, we were glued to the boob tube. I doubt they showed the moon landing in the casinos.

Decades later, I was visiting my parents over the 4th of July holiday here in Arizona and they were glued to the boob tube watching the coverage of the Sojourner rover on Mars. I can’t forget how truly amazed they were that we’d actually sent a little robot on wheels to Mars and it had landed successfully.

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austin_blue  Jul 20, 2018 • 8:59:46pm

re: #32 BeachDem

Me three. We didn’t have a tv set (poor college students) so we banged on our neighbors’ door and asked if we could watch theirs. They were like, huh? Moon? What are you talking about. We explained and they let us in to watch.

And this song is like an Armstrong earworm for me.

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I was thirteen, seventh grade. Dad was in Viet Nam on his second tour, and was in the MAG-13 command staff (he got command of VMFA-314 about five months later from Charlie Freidrechs. The squadron got a PUC and the Hanson Award). I was at Tommy Hayton’s house and was just riveted. I didn’t walk home until nearly midnight, and just couldn’t go to sleep.

All I wanted be was an astronaut that night.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:01:46pm

airspacemag.com

On Friday, April 20, 1962, Armstrong zoomed up to 207,500 feet in the X-15, as high as he’d go until his Gemini 8 mission would quadruple that four years later. Well outside the atmosphere, he used the reaction control system to maneuver. Another job on this flight was to check out the MH-96, a G limiting device designed to keep the rocket plane from exceeding 5 Gs. He kept the nose up as he plummeted from his peak altitude, which caused his flight path to “balloon,” or rise again, producing about 4 Gs. This ballooning continued as he waited to see the G limiter kick in, which it never did. It turned out that the real flight was not agreeing with simulations he’d done on the ground. All the while, he was cruising along at the rate of ten football fields a second toward Los Angeles, and still up around 140,000 feet. Soon he heard the main flight control center telling him as they watched his telemetry, “We show you ballooning, not turning. Hard left turn, Neil! Hard left turn!” By then, Armstrong had, in his own words, gone “sailing merrily by the field.”

With not enough atmosphere for his flight control surfaces to bite into, he couldn’t turn. Instead, he followed a ballistic path like an artillery shell over the San Gabriel Mountains and toward the populated areas of southern California. When he finally fell far enough that the wings began to respond, Armstrong pulled a U-turn and headed northeast in a steep glide toward the lake beds he had overshot. He was 45 miles south of them, not far enough to put him over the Rose Bowl. But he was still generally over Pasadena. Luckily, he was still above 100,000 feet, and cleared the San Gabriel Mountains by a wide margin, then performed a straight-in landing on Rosamond Dry Lake, south of Rogers. The transcript shows he used speed brakes on his way to touchdown, dispelling notions that he was about to fall short in the Joshua trees. Furthermore, in the heat of the overtasked moment, he failed to consider jettisoning the ventral, or underside, tail fin at the back of the X-15 earlier than normal, which would have reduced his drag and extended his time in the air.
Read more at airspacemag.com

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BeachDem  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:02:07pm

Hah. A rebuttal to that ridiculous screed by Michael Anton about birthright citizenship (brilliant—and not just because she says the same thing I did about his convoluted misreading of Trumbull’s position. I can’t help it if GMTA!)

Those who attack birthright citizenship, as did former Trump official Michael Anton in a recent Post op-ed, often go out of their way not only to misrepresent the plain meaning of the words of the 14th Amendment and those who drafted and ratified it, but also to ignore the racist and bloody history that required it in the first place. Sen. Lyman Trumbull, for example, a leading advocate in Congress for the citizenship clause, was quoted by Anton as somehow supporting his twisted reading of the clause.

Except it was Trumbull who answered the racists of his own time who worried about “naturalizing the children of the Chinese and Gypsies born in this country.” Trumbull said the citizenship clause “undoubtedly” would do that, and that a child of such immigrants “is just as much a citizen as the child of a European.” In other remarks, Trumbull made it even clearer, saying, “Birth entitles a person to citizenship, that every freeborn person in this land, is, by virtue of being born here, a citizen of the United States.”

washingtonpost.com

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:13:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:16:29pm

I hope they do a really cool moon landing celebration next year to mark the 50th.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:17:31pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:18:25pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

I hope they do a really cool moon landing celebration next year to mark the 50th.

It’ll be memory holed because Dear Leader Fuckface Von Clownstick will tweet right before the anniversary “many people think the moon landing is a hoax, very fine people.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:19:03pm
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Belafon  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:21:27pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

It’ll be memory holed because Dear Leader Fuckface Von Clownstick will tweet right before the anniversary “many people think the moon landing is a hoax, very fine people.”

Don’t you remember how instrumental Trump was in getting the moon landing mission off the ground? Neil Armstrong even mentioned Trump by name as he stepped out of the lander.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:23:07pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

I hope they do a really cool moon landing celebration next year to mark the 50th.

It would be a lot better if the Rancid One and his mother-humping monkey Pence were out of office by then. As it is, the traitors face a quandary over the observance: Invite the derision of the civilized world by ignoring it, or alienate a large part of the base by continuing to assert that it really happened.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:23:57pm

I NEVER get tired of Buzz punching this asshole out!

Buzz Aldrin punches Bart Sibrel after being harassed by him

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MsJ  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:29:59pm

What? I’d the NRA still finding them?

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Interesting Times  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:31:32pm

re: #52 MsJ

The DNC is being shunned in favor of direct donations to candidates, while the RNC still gleefully sucks at the oligarch/koch/Russian/NRA teat.

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austin_blue  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:34:25pm

re: #43 BeachDem

Hah. A rebuttal to that ridiculous screed by Michael Anton about birthright citizenship (brilliant—and not just because she says the same thing I did about his convoluted misreading of Trumbull’s position. I can’t help it if GMTA!)

Those who attack birthright citizenship, as did former Trump official Michael Anton in a recent Post op-ed, often go out of their way not only to misrepresent the plain meaning of the words of the 14th Amendment and those who drafted and ratified it, but also to ignore the racist and bloody history that required it in the first place. Sen. Lyman Trumbull, for example, a leading advocate in Congress for the citizenship clause, was quoted by Anton as somehow supporting his twisted reading of the clause.

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It’s absolutely clear that if you are born here, you are a citizen of the US. But what happens if the gaspers get a law passed that life begins at conception? First off, every miscarriage in the US would be a child for tax purposes. How many can you claim in a year? Twelve? (We were just fantastically unlucky!) Second of all, does every miscarriage become a murder or manslaughter investigation? Your murdering uterus, etc. Third of all, what about every foreign couple who honeymoons in the US and might actually claim they conceived a child here. Does that make them citizens?

Finally, untold Mexicans and other foreigners (Canadians!) come over the border legally enter from ports of entry to shop and buy goods in border towns in the US. Many stay the night. If they claim that their child was conceived on US soil, does the make their child a citizen?

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Dave In Austin  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:40:39pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:40:40pm

re: #51 Joe Bacon 🌹

I NEVER get tired of Buzz punching this asshole out!

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The asshole, who was half Buzz’s age and 100 pounds heavier, played the victim but did not attempt to press charges, no doubt for fear of being declared pussy of the year.

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austin_blue  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:44:06pm

re: #54 austin_blue

There is a very good reason that Live Birth is what bestows American Citizenship upon a child.

You don’t have to deal with Religious whackos. When in doubt, never deal with Religious whakos.

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Kilroy was here  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:45:09pm

The first memory I can put a date to is the moon landing.

Still remember sitting on a round crocheted carpet right in front of a console black and white TV totally amazed. I still remember Walter Cronkite’s excitement when the Eagle landed.

They did a complete replay of the landing from launch to landing a few years ago. I hope they do it again next year.

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Belafon  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:48:44pm

re: #52 MsJ

What? I’d the NRA still finding them?

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Democrats still aren’t a unified party. We a loose coalition of people working towards similar goals, but sometimes in less than complementary ways. I personally think it’s a weakness that people can’t see that we need a strong unifying organization, and that the way to fix any issues is to work together.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:50:41pm

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retired cynic  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:51:07pm

re: #59 Belafon

Democrats still aren’t a unified party. We a loose coalition of people working towards similar goals, but sometimes in less than complementary ways. I personally think it’s a weakness that people can’t see that we need a strong unifying organization, and that the way to fix any issues is to work together.

That means compromise, and that is a dirty word.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:51:58pm

I think I was the first on this sight to say that if the GOP nominated Trump it would make it the first electorally significant fascist party in US history, and I was right!

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unproven innocence  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:54:01pm

re: #34 Belafon

Is Microsoft the only company monitoring this?

I’ve noticed Crowdstrike mentioned in investigations of the DNC and RNC hacking. There are others that are not US-based.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 20, 2018 • 9:55:28pm

Trump’s NK peace treaty is working out well.

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meteor  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:00:54pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:01:50pm

Trump’s new association health plans, designed to bypass the exchanges, aren’t attracting millions as Trump falsely claimed. Apparently his administration’s new regulations are unworkable. Another Trump failure due to incompetence.

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retired cynic  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:03:07pm

re: #66 Big Beautiful Door

Our secret weapon.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:13:57pm
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austin_blue  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:17:47pm

Night all. We only hit 40º C here (103º) but we are looking at 105º tomorrow and a degree increase on Sunday and Monday.

Which is kind of brutal. If the wind is blowing, it doesn’t cool you down at all, it just adds to the blast furnace affect.

In any case, sweet scaly dreams, and have a good thought that things are just going to get worse tomorrow for Drumpf. The spunktrumpet has got to get pummeled to the point where he steps off the stage, and the sooner, the better.

We’ll deal with Pence when the time comes, because that motherfucker is as complicit as the POTUS. He knew on January 6, 2017 that the Russians were absolutely guilty of rigging the election and did…nothing.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:23:04pm

re: #64 Single-handed sailor

Trump’s NK peace treaty is working out well.

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LOL, what planned reunification?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:24:28pm

Borowitz

Kremlin Names Trump Employee of the Month

newyorker.com

(Sorry, can’t highlight for some reason)

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:24:47pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

LOL, what planned reunification?

The reunification Kim is planning, under his rule.

Correction: I should’ve read the article. Its the planned reunification of families separated by the war.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:28:58pm

re: #69 austin_blue

I’m hearing 108’ Monday. I’m thinking I’m back in PHX plus humidity. The door closes at noon.

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dell*nix  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:31:48pm

re: #22 unproven innocence

I was at Phan Rang AB, RVN. Did not watch as no TV available. Most likely listened to it on the radio.

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Belafon  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:38:40pm

re: #69 austin_blue

I worked an outside concert here in Rockwall - eastern DFW - on Thursday, with the high at 105. Outside was the sun and a breeze. I went into the park restroom. It’s not air conditioned, but at first, it felt cooler not having the sun. Then i found out not having the breeze was the worst part.

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Mattand  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:39:32pm

re: #23 jaunte

re: #22 unproven innocence

I watched it live. (I’m old)

I may have watched it live. I was two and a half at the time, but I have a memory of watching a rocket on our old 13” black and white TV. That could have been another Apollo mission, though.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:48:25pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 20, 2018 • 10:56:28pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:07:14pm

I remember being in the car when the Eagle was about to land. I talked my aunt, who was driving, into turning on the car radio for the first and last time in that car’s history, then when we arrived, I dashed into the house to watch the actual moment on TV.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:21:22pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:22:40pm

perfect follow-up

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:28:58pm

Perhaps M. Night Shyamalan will redeem himself for some of his previously schlocky films. This looks pretty good.

Glass - Official Trailer [HD]

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:34:14pm

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

Perhaps M. Night Shyamalan will redeem himself for some of his previously schlocky films. This looks pretty good.

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Split was his best movie in a very long time, itself a sort of sequel to one of his last good movies Unbreakable. It looks like he’s got his groove back.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:37:05pm

re: #83 Big Beautiful Door

Split was his best movie in a very long time, itself a sort of sequel to one of his last good movies Unbreakable. It looks like he’s got his groove back.

It’ll also be interesting to see a superhero flick that isn’t part of Marvel or D.C. universes. Something genuinely original.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:49:54pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:55:17pm

re: #64 Single-handed sailor

I wonder if that refers to the defection of 12 restaurant staff (and a male manager) from China to South Korea that year. I blogged about it.
wheatdogg.com

China said it let the 13 book flights to South Korea because they had valid travel documents. South Korea says they voluntarily defected. North Korea says they were tricked or forced into leaving by members of the South Korea intelligence agency.

They were all working at a North Korean restaurant, one of several in Asia. Normally, North Korean handlers keep the staff (who are mostly young women) under tight surveillance, not unlike The Handmaid’s Tale. Somehow they managed to sneak away as a group.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:56:31pm

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

If nothing else, I’m glad to see Samuel Jackson revisiting that role.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2018 • 11:58:29pm

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

If nothing else, I’m glad to see Samuel Jackson revisiting that role.

Oh, definitely. And nice to see Bruce Willis back in his role as well. This is a film I’m looking forward to.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:01:55am

Seriously, the Trump & Putin are gay for each other jokes are so motherfucking tired.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:04:25am

I shared a couple of videos by this young Malaysian drummer earlier. Here’s another, with her in hijab.

YA HABIBAL QOLBI | SABYAN version | Drum Cover by Nur Amira Syahira

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:05:37am

re: #4 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

In reality, Mussolini didn’t even make the trains run on time.

Yes, but people stopped complaining about the trains being late, so the effect was the same.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:09:26am

re: #29 stpaulbear

While rifling around in my records this evening I pulled out my one Russian record. It’s a Paul McCartney album called Снова в СССР.

I also remember listening to the Winds of Change and having a heady, optimistic feeling about how Europe was going to develop.

Things are nonetheless better in many ways than they were back then.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:17:30am

Methinks someone at the FBI seems to have a sly sense of humor.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:19:36am

I don’t think the guy on top is really Trump. His hair is too thick and his hands are much too large. The one on the bottom is definitely McConnell though.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:53:07am

re: #43 BeachDem

Hah. A rebuttal to that ridiculous screed by Michael Anton about birthright citizenship (brilliant—and not just because she says the same thing I did about his convoluted misreading of Trumbull’s position. I can’t help it if GMTA!)

What a great op-ed; the ending is just beautiful

They enshrined the 14th Amendment into our Constitution so our future could be better than the horrors and hatreds of our past.

We haven’t arrived at that future yet. But as long as we choose to see it, there on the horizon it will be — like the promise of a “more perfect Union” itself — beckoning us forward.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:55:28am
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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:57:46am

re: #96 teleskiguy

I’ll never forget that drive from my house to Aspen and back. Seeing a huge hillside *all on fire* is something you don’t forget.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:02:40am

They’re not even hiding it anymore, are they?

The Alabama-based League of the South is launching a Russian-language section of its website designed to attract people interested in “Southern nationalism.”

Classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, the neo-confederate organization made the announcement in the days after President Trump met with Russian leader Vladimir Putin. The new page will reflect that the Russian people and Southerners are natural allies, according to a letter from league president Michael Hill posted to the group’s website.

“As fellow Whites of northern European extraction, we come from the same general gene pool. As inheritors of the European cultural tradition, we share similar values, customs, and ways of life. And as Christians, we worship the same Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and our common faith binds us as brothers and sisters,” Hill wrote.

“A firm and resolute understanding and commitment to cooperation between the Russian people and the people of the South could indeed be the foundation for a better world in which our peoples thrive and prosper far into the future,” he added.

Hill wrote the Russian language section will be “first step in this direction.”

al.com

I suppose it’s good that we now know - beyond any doubt whatsoever - who the fifth columnists are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:02:52am

re: #95 sagehen

What a great op-ed; the ending is just beautiful

They enshrined the 14th Amendment into our Constitution so our future could be better than the horrors and hatreds of our past.

We haven’t arrived at that future yet. But as long as we choose to see it, there on the horizon it will be — like the promise of a “more perfect Union” itself — beckoning us forward.

Our Constitutional Forefathers had no idea of the concept of passports, undocumented immigration or naturalization: anyone who made it to America and established themselves there was welcome as a citizen.

I would not be opposed to amending the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship to the children of legal resident aliens. That has been the case in Germany since 2000. But that does not mean that I at all agree with Anton’s arguments for abolishing birthright citizenship.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:18:41am

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

They’re not even hiding it anymore, are they?

al.com

I suppose it’s good that we now know - beyond any doubt whatsoever - who the fifth columnists are.

An irony that is completely lost on these ignorant goobers: During the American Civil War, the Russians were probably more openly favorable to the Union than were any of the other European powers. In the fall of 1863, Russian naval squadrons carried out simultaneous good will visits to New York and San Francisco, something the British and French would not have dreamed of doing. Indeed, the French, then openly defying the Monroe Doctrine in Mexico, would probably have been fired upon the moment they came within range of the harbor defenses.
rbth.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:21:09am

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

An irony that is completely list on these ignorant goobers: During the American Civil War, the Russians were probably more openly favorable to the Union than were any of the other European powers.

History is irrelevant: Russians are admirable because they are white, nationalistic, xenophobic and homophobic.

Not to mention autocratic, oligarchic, militaristic, patriarchal and theocratic.

Only difference being that their theocracy is Russian Orthodox instead of fundamentalist Protestant.

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Lupin  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:23:49am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our Constitutional Forefathers had no idea of the concept of passports, undocumented immigration or naturalization: anyone who made it to America and established themselves there was welcome as a citizen.

I would not be opposed to amending the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship to the children of legal resident aliens. That has been the case in Germany since 2000. But that does not mean that I at all agree with Anton’s arguments for abolishing birthright citizenship.

In France it’s not automatic. If born on French soil you have the right to French citizenship, but you have to apply for it when you turn 18.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:25:11am

Heh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:25:26am

re: #102 Lupin

In France it’s not automatic. If born on French soil you have the right to French citizenship, but you have to apply for it when you turn 18.

But I assume that one has a right of residency until such time. That was the case with our oldest daughter, who was born before the German reforms in 2000. The other kids were born Deutsch.

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Lupin  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:26:39am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But I assume that one has a right of residency until such time. That was the case with our oldest daughter, who was born before the German reforms in 200. The other kids were born Deutsch.

Oh yes absolutely.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:28:23am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But I assume that one has a right of residency until such time. That was the case with our oldest daughter, who was born before the German reforms in 200. The other kids were born Deutsch.

I’m hoping you mean “in 2000.” Otherwise you and your daughter are pretty long in tooth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:29:57am

re: #106 wheat-dogg

I’m hoping you mean “in 2000.” Otherwise you and your daughter are pretty long in tooth.

fixed that.

I recall an old British comedy sketch, involving some WW2 flyers being sent on a mission:

“The maps are somewhat out of date, but basically we want you to fly over Gaul and bomb the Holy Roman Empire.”

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:32:09am

Christ on a Cracker

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:38:16am

re: #108 Dave In Austin

Christ on a Cracker

Somebody be mad.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:38:40am

Thread……

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:40:06am

re: #110 Dave In Austin

So I’m on Amazon & it suggests this & ain’t this a whole sex toy being sold as a massager?

is that not how the first sex toys were advertised back when that was just not done?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:42:40am

re: #108 Dave In Austin

Christ on a Cracker

another thing that helped deliver us Trump was the massive ratfucking going on with Bernie supporters.

Some of it was a case of cynically manipulating the idealists who really believed in Bernie and the rest of it was supporting him in Machiavellian style in the primaries because they knew he was the weaker candidate for the general.

And “supporting” Bernie gave them a good chance to attack Hillary from “within” the party.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:55:07am

Don’t try this in America, if you value your life.

What Is The Osaka Bang? | ASIAN BOSS

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:56:46am

Cheechako:

Pc/VDidz/BNhdYbIBJ/0UDck+MMZxEffBYi+04Mq50Uur2lg2b4THX51BHZ7l2Jz

My wife and I just arrived in Juneau. (The ferry was late.) We will meet you at around 9 am at the hotel up the street you suggested for breakfast. In the parking lot just beyond that you will find the intrepid Smart car (if someone hasn’t carried it off tonight).

The parking laws here in Juneau seem designed to provide an instant ticket to people from out-of-town. As best as I can tell, I can park in the lot in question all weekend with no fee. (It would seem I can do that on the street as well, but the hotel manager says the signs for parking are a lie and the police will ticket you anyway. A Nebraska license plate in Juneau would be a tantalising target.)

My wife and I had a locally-brewed porter in the hotel bar, which was overrun by hipsters.

Folk like their car stereos loud as well. I haven’t heard this much distorted bass since the disco era. (::

Anyway, I’m going to hit the rack, it was a long day starting in Haines Junction, Yukon.

I will upload photos I took later; I’m not going to spend time shrinking them to fit now.

See you in the morning.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:08:50am

Cheechako, my cell phone number is behind the privacy bar, if something goes wrong.

Tkbp56Y00SIBsX1ktarpF9umTssaOg6EoCkndxMrUF/hI/zyWlonmWh31aYqEUBgVSa+MAWHtXY=

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:09:02am
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:12:51am
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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:23:42am
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Lupin  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:33:41am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

fixed that.

I recall an old British comedy sketch, involving some WW2 flyers being sent on a mission:

“The maps are somewhat out of date, but basically we want you to fly over Gaul and bomb the Holy Roman Empire.”

I read somewhere that during the Iraqi invasion by the US, they were relying on maps and ethnic intelligence once provided by… Colonel Lawrence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:41:39am

re: #119 Lupin

I read somewhere that during the Iraqi invasion by the US, they were relying on maps and ethnic intelligence once provided by… Colonel Lawrence.

of all the Gaul

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unproven innocence  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:42:34am

An interesting advance in bicycle technology:
CeramicSpeed’s ultra-efficient Driven bicycle works without a chain

Shaft-driven bicycles have been around since the 19th century, but the concept is being revisited in light of new technologies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:44:08am

re: #121 unproven innocence

An interesting advance in bicycle technology:
CeramicSpeed’s ultra-efficient Driven bicycle works without a chain

awesome stuff

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:44:53am

A day late:

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:17:50am
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Varek Raith  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:28:31am

Доброе утро, товарищи-шпионы.

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Lupin  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:29:16am

Interesting contrast with the photos I saw of Trump in the same situation.

That was Macron meeting with Putin during the World Cup.

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Lupin  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:32:03am

re: #125 Varek Raith

Доброе утро, товарищи-шпионы.

Документы были оставлены в общественных туалетах на Капитолии за третьим стойлом.

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Varek Raith  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:45:04am

Роджер Роджер.

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unproven innocence  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:54:47am

Charles, a few years ago several threads on LGF featured stories and video of a KGB defector named Yuri Bezmenov, interviewed by G. Edward Griffin.

It is my recollection that postings here about Bezmenov fell out of favor with you, and I don’t recall the specifics as to why, altho I imagine it had to do with your breaking away from several other right-wing sites. So, if he’s still a forbidden topic here, I apologise in advance, but I think some of his warnings may merit another look.

34 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly predicted modern America
July 18, 2018 by Paul Ratner

Excerpts (bolding is mine):

Bezmenov described this process as “a great brainwashing” which has four basic stages.

It’s hard not to see in that the state of many modern Americans. We have become a society of polarized tribes, with some people flat out rejecting facts in favor of narratives and opinions.

Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is “destabilization”. During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

The third stage would be “crisis”. …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:26:33am

re: #129 unproven innocence

Charles, a few years ago several threads on LGF featured stories and video of a KGB defector named Yuri Bezmenov, interviewed by G. Edward Griffin.

We were sold on the idea that “government should be run like a business” which is not a bad idea in some aspects, namely that government should be run on sound and transparent economic principles.

But when we put business people in charge of government, they start looking in terms of cutting expenses to increase the bottom line: and to a business point of view, things like education, health care, safety and environment are all expenses to be minimized or eliminated.

So we cut education and now we have a populace that makes no effort to differentiate between its sources of news, they just read what comes up on their feed.

That has led to people who do not understand how government works, how science works or how international trade & diplomacy works.

It makes them open to very simplistic solutions that make good sound bytes and memes, ones that work well for a small minority but leave the rest of us at a disadvantage.

And it leads to people who can compare two identically framed photos of inauguration day 2013 and 2017 and insist that the 2017 crowd was bigger.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:39:55am

Good Morning Lizards:

Good to know that Trump admits Obama did nothing wrong!

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unproven innocence  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:40:03am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Good summary of trumpism and its leader, especially this part:

So we cut education and now we have a populace that makes no effort to differentiate between its sources of news, they just read what comes up on their feed. That has led to people who do not understand how government works, how science works or how trade works.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:48:58am

re: #131 b.d.

Good Morning Lizards:

Good to know that Trump admits Obama did nothing wrong!

[Embedded content]

You’re not my favorite President and you did plenty wrong. And they didn’t break into his office, they had a warrant. And you clearly didn’t care about rule of law when you encouraged your cult to chant lock her up. Just shut the fuck up for once. All you do either is jack yourself off for being “great” or complain. You deserve to be the first American president to go to prison and hopefully to die since you don’t deserve to get out for your crimes.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:53:32am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

You’re not my favorite President and you did plenty wrong. And they didn’t break into his office, they had a warrant. And you clearly didn’t care about rule of law when you encouraged your cult to chant lock her up. Just shut the fuck up for once. All you do either is jack yourself off for being “great” or complain. You deserve to be the first American president to go to prison and hopefully to die since you don’t deserve to get out for your crimes.

LOL, well said.

Nice to know that the things that are in Trump’s mind the second he wakes up though.

SOB has cracked, it’s rubber cell time for that crazy creep.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:55:10am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our Constitutional Forefathers had no idea of the concept of passports, undocumented immigration or naturalization: anyone who made it to America and established themselves there was welcome as a citizen.

I would not be opposed to amending the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship to the children of legal resident aliens. That has been the case in Germany since 2000. But that does not mean that I at all agree with Anton’s arguments for abolishing birthright citizenship.

I would. If you are born here, you are a US citizen, period (except for the children of diplomats).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:56:47am

re: #135 Big Beautiful Door

I would. If you are born here, you are a US citizen, period (except for the children of diplomats).

Any sort of tinkering with the 14th Amendment would have to part of a major and comprehensive reform of immigration and naturalization policy. I do not see that happening any time soon. Too many conflicting interests.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:01:15am

Meanwhile, in a state where Stupid Rules (and one I used to live in):

Why Anti-Abortion Groups Love Arizona’s New Frozen-Embryo Law

The whole point of this is to anchor the entire “life begins at conception” idea of this so they have another big gun to point at Roe v Wade when the time comes

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:01:36am

re: #135 Big Beautiful Door

I would. If you are born here, you are a US citizen, period (except for the children of diplomats).

I think to me is this, it’s been working. Why make people who will certainly be living here underclass citizens by denying them birthright citizenship. I admit I have some radical ideas- I think naturalized citizens should be able to run for President. Just always rubbed me the wrong way that my great grandfather wouldn’t have been able to run for President but his younger sisters and brothers would simply because they were born here and he was not.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:02:00am

re: #134 b.d.

LOL, well said.

Nice to know that the things that are in Trump’s mind the second he wakes up though.

SOB has cracked, it’s rubber cell time for that crazy creep.

He’s scared.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:08:14am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

He’s scared.

And he is not hiding it well at all. He should flee to Russia and become roomies with Snowden.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:08:20am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I think to me is this, it’s been working. Why make people who will certainly be living here underclass citizens by denying them birthright citizenship. I admit I have some radical ideas- I think naturalized citizens should be able to run for President. Just always rubbed me the wrong way that my great grandfather wouldn’t have been able to run for President but his younger sisters and brothers would simply because they were born here and he was not.

Our immigration and naturalization laws stem from our immediate post-colonial period. They did not want an Manchestrian candidate, so to speak, coming over from England, declaring himself a citizen and then becoming President.

And there no steamships carrying huddled masses, those people who took the long, dangerous and arduous sea journey journey to establish themselves here were generally welcome.

I think that our entire approach to immigration, citizenship, border control, etc. are all in need of reform, but instead we have a Prez who goes for the simplistic an populistic “build a wall!” and “round ‘em up!” solutions.

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jeffreyw  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:16:51am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:17:03am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I think to me is this, it’s been working. Why make people who will certainly be living here underclass citizens by denying them birthright citizenship. I admit I have some radical ideas- I think naturalized citizens should be able to run for President. Just always rubbed me the wrong way that my great grandfather wouldn’t have been able to run for President but his younger sisters and brothers would simply because they were born here and he was not.

I agree. I understand why the founders required natural born citizenship in the 18th century. There were lots of princes floating around Europe (the spares), and they were naturally concerned about them coming here, obtaining citizenship, becoming President, then trying to make themselves monarchs. Not an unrealistic fear at the time; its how Napoleon’s nephew made himself Napoleon III, and of course the French tried to install an Austrian Duke as Emperor of Mexico. But today there is zero reason why my children who we adopted from China as babies should be barred from the Presidency. Its not a big issue though, since such an incredibly tiny fraction of people even get the chance to run for President, much less actually serve.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:20:59am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We were sold on the idea that “government should be run like a business” which is not a bad idea in some aspects, namely that government should be run on sound and transparent economic principles.

But when we put business people in charge of government, they start looking in terms of cutting expenses to increase the bottom line: and to a business point of view, things like education, health care, safety and environment are all expenses to be minimized or eliminated.

The other problem with “run it like a business” is that business is notoriously short-sighted. When your budgets only look from one quarter to the next, or even year-to-year or until the next election cycle, eating the seed corn makes more sense than planting it, patching the holes in the roof is a waste of money in the dry season.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:21:36am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our immigration and naturalization laws stem from our immediate post-colonial period. They did not want an Manchestrian candidate, so to speak, coming over from England, declaring himself a citizen and then becoming President.

And there no steamships carrying huddled masses, those people who took the long, dangerous and arduous sea journey journey to establish themselves here were generally welcome.

I think that our entire approach to immigration, citizenship, border control, etc. are all in need of reform, but instead we have a Prez who goes for the simplistic an populistic “build a wall!” and “round ‘em up!” solutions.

I know, I know why the laws are in place. I just think the Manchurian candidate stuff is unfounded. There are plenty of naturalized citizens I’d trust more than people who just happen to be lucky because their parents were born here and citizens already. We let naturalized citizens run for Congress, be in the cabinet, and on the courts so I guess why not go the extra step and let them run for President. I’m fine with a longer period than the one the House and Senate have but I do firmly believe that a naturalized citizen should be able to run. I agree about our immigration policies too. I personally think we need to make it easier and more affordable to immigrant. We create illegal immigrants precisely because of the bureaucratic nature of immigration.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:22:24am

re: #144 sagehen

The other problem with “run it like a business” is that business is notoriously short-sighted. When your budgets only look from one quarter to the next, or even year-to-year or until the next election cycle, eating the seed corn makes more sense than planting it, patching the holes in the roof is a waste of money in the dry season.

There is a grain of validity to it: both government and business should be based on transparency and sound, sustainable principles. But that is where the analogy ends. You need people with a different mind and a different approach.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:23:19am

re: #143 Big Beautiful Door

I agree. I understand why the founders required natural born citizenship in the 18th century. There were lots of princes floating around Europe (the spares), and they were naturally concerned about them coming here, obtaining citizenship, becoming President, then trying to make themselves monarchs. Not an unrealistic fear at the time; its how Napoleon’s nephew made himself Napoleon III, and of course the French tried to install an Austrian Duke as Emperor of Mexico. But today there is zero reason why my children who we adopted from China as babies should be barred from the Presidency. Its not a big issue though, since such an incredibly tiny fraction of people even get the chance to run for President, much less actually serve.

Exactly. Your children are as American as you and me are. They just started at a different place, that’s all. I just think it’s one of those provisions that is outdated as you get at. I get why it was included because you are correct about Napoleon III and the Emperor Maximilian in Mexico.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:24:26am

re: #76 Mattand

I may have watched it live. I was two and a half at the time, but I have a memory of watching a rocket on our old 13” black and white TV. That could have been another Apollo mission, though.

I watched it on duty with UDT-13 in a Quonset hut in Subuc Bay, RP, a hot night with chameleons skittering all over the screen door while I watched the black and white on the wall. Great memory.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:26:19am

“Run it like a business”, words spoken by people who neither really understand government nor business. A business is about making a profit. A government about its people. When I’m drafting the terms for a LLC, I’m not really concerned about my consumers’ rights primarily, when I’m drafting laws otoh, I’m definitely concerned about my citizens rights. And that’s the difference. We are consumers in business meaning we have certain choices whereas in government, we are born with our rights, responsibilities, and duties as citizens. I become a consumer of my favorite food truck. But I’m born a citizen.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:27:47am

How to Spend It is the Financial Times’ luxury supplement. Moammar Gaddafi was a noted reader.
How to Spend It: the shopping list for the 1%

In an age of astonishing wealth, nothing reveals the lives of the ultra-rich like the FT’s unashamedly ostentatious luxury magazine.

The linked Guardian article introduced me to the term plutonomy, an economy driven by the spending habits of the wealthy. It is revolting, horrifying. The bad taste of the wannabe and semi-wealthy is on display for all in places like McMansion Hell, but the genuinely wealthy are apparently no better and they are rather less likely to be called to account for it.

In an issue in May, the British designer of upper-class menswear Jeremy Hackett recommended a London shoemaker, George Cleverley, whose bespoke products cost “from £3,600”. “My current order,” said Hackett, “is for some tan and white Oxfords … made from a batch of reindeer leather salvaged from the Metta Catharina - a 53-ton brigantine that sank off the southern coast of England during a voyage from St Petersburg to Genoa in 1786. The leather was tanned in St Petersburg by artisans whose techniques were secret for centuries … “

Hackett wasn’t joking. Salvaged 18th century reindeer hide is actually a thing among the rich and tasteless.

There is a revolution brewing.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:28:02am

I think a lot of stuff hasn’t been repealed since we view our founders in the way we do though. Admitting they made mistakes might as well be admitting you don’t think Marx was all wrong to large parts of this country.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:28:33am

We will never be free of these fucking people. Will we?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:31:14am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

I know, I know why the laws are in place. I just think the Manchurian candidate stuff is unfounded. There are plenty of naturalized citizens I’d trust more than people who just happen to be lucky because their parents were born here and citizens already. We let naturalized citizens run for Congress, be in the cabinet, and on the courts so I guess why not go the extra step and let them run for President. I’m fine with a longer period than the one the House and Senate have but I do firmly believe that a naturalized citizen should be able to run. I agree about our immigration policies too. I personally think we need to make it easier and more affordable to immigrant. We create illegal immigrants precisely because of the bureaucratic nature of immigration.

I personally think anyone who wants to come here to work should be able to get a green card, though obviously we should vet applicants to weed out dangerous people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:31:57am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

And limited companies are legal persons, but they are not people.

That is another fallacy and I still cannot get over Mitt Romney for his “corporations are people, too!” quip. He clears knew better but was being cynical.

Corporations exist because we have created laws to allow them to exist in that form, allowing people to isolate their fortunes beyond the extent of their investment in the corporations.

And when you cut them they do not bleed. They just downsize.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:32:17am

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

How to Spend It is the Financial Times’ luxury supplement. Moammar Gaddafi was a noted reader.
How to Spend It: the shopping list for the 1%

The linked Guardian article introduced me to the term plutonomy, an economy driven by the spending habits of the wealthy. It is revolting, horrifying. The bad taste of the wannabe and semi-wealthy is on display for all in places like McMansion Hell, but the genuinely wealthy are apparently no better and they are rather less likely to be called to account for it.

Hackett wasn’t joking. Salvaged 18th century reindeer hide is actually a thing among the rich and tasteless.

There is a revolution brewing.

And all it takes one spark, e.g. “Qu’ils mangent de la brioche”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:32:25am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We will never be free of these fucking people. Will we?

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As I said yesterday, at least Pence’s kids have the good sense to not milk their status. In fact, his daughter seemed like a good sport when it came to the whole bunny book thing. God Bristol and Sarah, just fade away already. I have never seen a failed VP so pathetically vain for continued fame. I remember when Mike Huckabee accusing Natalie Portman who unlike Bristol had a steady boyfriend and was much older when she became pregnant of glamorizing her pregnancy but he also implored people to leave Bristol alone and you know what, I have no problem with the fact that Bristol got pregnant as a teen, I have a problem with her acting like she can lecture people and now is going on MTV 10 years later to milk her cow further.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:33:30am

re: #153 Big Beautiful Door

I personally think anyone who wants to come here to work should be able to get a green card, though obviously we should vet applicants to weed out dangerous people.

Right. Obviously things like background checks should be done. And despite what Trump or Lou Dobbs will tell you, we do that. I’ve seen the applications people have to apply for and how much work they need to get in.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:33:48am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We will never be free of these fucking people. Will we?

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The Sasha Cohen interview hasn’t aired yet, hopefully she’ll lay low after that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:36:04am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And limited companies are legal persons, but they are not people.

That is another fallacy and I still cannot get over Mitt Romney for his “corporations are people, too!” quip. He clears knew better but was being cynical.

Corporations exist because we have created laws to allow them to exist in that form, allowing people to isolate their fortunes beyond the extent of their investment in the corporations.

And when you cut them they do not bleed. They just downsize.

Right. I mean in a way, I sort of got that Mitt was saying the corporations were made up of people and that’s true but a corporation in itself should never have the same rights that you or I do as individuals. My larger point though is citizenship is a choice that we live through from our first shots to our last breaths. Consumerism isn’t that way. That’s why you don’t run your government like a business. The government is about serving its people and the business is about making a profit in the ways within the law of course it can.Amtrak or whatever not making a profit doesn’t bother me. What it does is allow people to travel from place to place.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:38:39am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And limited companies are legal persons, but they are not people.

That is another fallacy and I still cannot get over Mitt Romney for his “corporations are people, too!” quip. He clears knew better but was being cynical.

Corporations exist because we have created laws to allow them to exist in that form, allowing people to isolate their fortunes beyond the extent of their investment in the corporations.

And when you cut them they do not bleed. They just downsize.

Maybe one of the most harmful myths created by the Right is that corporations exist solely to maximize shareholder value. No, corporations are creatures of statute, and as such their purpose should be to promote the general welfare of society as a whole. Which means they can and should have responsibilities other than short term profit for their shareholders.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:41:25am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of stuff hasn’t been repealed since we view our founders in the way we do though. Admitting they made mistakes might as well be admitting you don’t think Marx was all wrong to large parts of this country.

As if “the founders” were a hive-mind. As if they ever agreed on much of anything.

Here’s Cabinet Battle #1

Cabinet Battle #1

and a small portion of the lyrics:

[JEFFERSON]
Ooh, if the shoe fits, wear it
If New York’s in debt—
Why should Virginia bear it? Uh! Our debts are paid, I’m afraid
Don’t tax the South cuz we got it made in the shade
In Virginia, we plant seeds in the ground
We create. You just wanna move our money around
This financial plan is an outrageous demand
And it’s too many damn pages for any man to understand
Stand with me in the land of the free
And pray to God we never see Hamilton’s candidacy
Look, when Britain taxed our tea, we got frisky
Imagine what gon’ happen when you try to tax our whisky

[WASHINGTON & CROWD]
Thank you, Secretary Jefferson
That’s my alcohol!
Secretary Hamilton, your response

[HAMILTON]
Thomas. That was a real nice declaration
Welcome to the present, we’re running a real nation
Would you like to join us, or stay mellow
Doin’ whatever the hell it is you do in Monticello?
If we assume the debts, the union gets
A new line of credit, a financial diuretic
How do you not get it? If we’re aggressive and competitive
The union gets a boost. You’d rather give it a sedative?
A civics lesson from a slaver. Hey neighbor
Your debts are paid cuz you don’t pay for labor
“We plant seeds in the South. We create.”
Yeah, keep ranting
We know who’s really doing the planting

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:44:10am

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

Maybe one of the most harmful myths created by the Right is that corporations exist solely to maximize shareholder value. No, corporations are creatures of statute, and as such their purpose should be to promote the general welfare of society as a whole. Which means they can and should have responsibilities other than short term profit for their shareholders.

because We the People allow them to exist in that form.

But that is too much nuance for the masses to grasp.

Instead, we have a system that encourages owners to milk corporations for all they can get and then flip them or let them run out of business.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:46:36am

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

Maybe one of the most harmful myths created by the Right is that corporations exist solely to maximize shareholder value. No, corporations are creatures of statute, and as such their purpose should be to promote the general welfare of society as a whole. Which means they can and should have responsibilities other than short term profit for their shareholders.

Having just read a pertinent chapter in Benjamin Graham’s The Intelligent Investor, I can say the truth is more that many corporations exist more to maximize the wealth of the officers and the BoD and only accidentally to share those profits with their shareholders. Graham was sharply critical of corporations that hold profits “to improve the corporation” but instead use those profits to overcompensate CEOs and top management with multi-million-dollar bonuses and stock options. He argued those profits ultimately belong to the owners of the stock.

Similarly, the Right — and especially Trump & Co. — see government as a means to enrich themselves and their peers, and not as a service provider to the entire population. The decline in the number of companies that pay dividends and the RW cant that “government should be run like a business” have developed concurrently. What they really mean is “government should be run to make us richer, and you poorer.”

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:51:45am

That ‘perhaps illegal’ crap that Trump threw at the wall this morning will not stick.

Gorgeous morning here, even thought they’re calling for rain later.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:59:37am

re: #164 makeitstop

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:08:00am

re: #164 makeitstop

Even if it was illegal, it tells us much about our so called President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:13:54am

What is the “government breaking into a lawyer’s office” talking point?

Oh, yes, FBI = Gestapo when it goes after Trump’s people.

AFAIK, it was in the course of executing a duly issued search warrant and SOP in cases where there is a demonstrable likelihood that evidence might be destroyed or concealed

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:15:44am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We will never be free of these fucking people. Will we?

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Nope. John McCain’s greatest legacy.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:17:13am

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What is the “government breaking into a lawyer’s office” talking point?

Oh, yes, FBI = Gestapo when it goes after Trump’s people.

AFAIK, it was in the course of executing a duly issued search warrant and SOP in cases where there is a demonstrable likelihood that evidence might be destroyed or concealed

No, it’s to lend credence to the “deep state conspiracy” theory.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:17:17am

re: #158 b.d.

The Sasha Cohen interview hasn’t aired yet, hopefully she’ll lay low after that.

Palin lay low? Have you not seen her take advantage of every opportunity to be in front of a camera?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:17:21am

re: #165 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The only implication is if one person is in a one-party state and one person is in a two-party state. In that case, I believe the more restrictive law applies.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:18:29am

re: #170 MsJ

Palin lay low? Have you not seen her take advantage of every opportunity to be in front of a camera?

Every time she has an opportunity to shove a moose antler in her mouth, she takes it.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:19:16am

re: #170 MsJ

Palin lay low? Have you not seen her take advantage of every opportunity to be in front of a camera?

A paraphrase of the joke about Ghouliani - the most dangerous place in the world to be is between Sarah Palin and a camera.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:20:31am

re: #164 makeitstop

re: #166 Unshaken Defiance

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m curious in how exactly the Special Counsel has overcome attorney-client privilege in this material.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:20:36am
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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:21:32am

re: #174 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m curious in how exactly the Special Counsel has overcome attorney-client privilege in this material.

Isn’t it like that the attorney has helped the client commit a crime and things like that?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:23:01am

re: #175 MsJ

Apparently House GOP don’t want to call for Maria Butina to testify because it would “tarnish the NRA.”

NRA is like the NFL: a private organization that has been unofficially promoted to become a representative of America’s ideals, values and (self-) image that it is now somehow above and beyond the laws and rules that govern other private organizations.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:25:02am

re: #171 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The only implication is if one person is in a one-party state and one person is in a two-party state. In that case, I believe the more restrictive law applies.

That’s what I was thinking. I know that’s why all the telephone support/help lines include that little notice “calls may be recorded” line at the start

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:26:44am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:26:48am

re: #178 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s what I was thinking. I know that’s why all the telephone support/help lines include that little notice “calls may be recorded” line at the start

That being said, it would have to be prosecuted in the state where the more restrictive law applies, i.e. Trump would have to file suit against Cohen in whatever state and not in New York.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:26:57am

So many scandals. It’s stunning.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:27:23am

re: #176 Teukka

Isn’t it like that the attorney has helped the client commit a crime and things like that?

Apart from state laws?
Co conspirators lose the privilege. It can be a high bar to pass but iirc that’s essentially it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:28:11am

re: #174 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m curious in how exactly the Special Counsel has overcome attorney-client privilege in this material.

There was some discussion about that. They had a special review team isolate the privileged material and hand over what’s left. That would be anything materially relevant to showing that the attorney was an active participant in conspiracy or coverup, which is cause for losing attorney-client privilege.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:28:38am

re: #181 MsJ

So many scandals. It’s stunning.

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Trump FEMA killed more Puerto Ricans with racially motivated neglect than Osama did Americans with 19 Saudis and airplanes.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:29:19am

5. Who the fuck is stupid enough to claim themselves as “your favorite president”?

This monster is so unhinged.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:31:52am

Donny’s just continuing the same narrative that started with the Manafort raid: “Even if they had a warrant, the way they went about it was totally wrong! They should have kindly asked for him to surrender the documents and given him however long he said he needed to ‘find’ them!”

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garzooma  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:32:04am

The government had a warrant. Unlike the Russians who Trump conspired with.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:32:54am

lol

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:36:03am

To all POC, is it possible that these empty gestures could actually sway people?

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Danack  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:37:51am

re: #174 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m curious in how exactly the Special Counsel has overcome attorney-client privilege in this material.

Attorney-client privilege only applies to legal legal discussions.

A discussion can be an illegal legal discussion if the aim of the conversation is to break the law. e.g.

legal legal discussion - “I’ve been accused of money laundering, what should I do to show my innocence?”

Illegal legal - “I need to launder some money, how can I do it without being caught?”

A discussion can also be non-privileged if it is nothing to do with a law case i.e. a legal non-legal discussion.

In the apparently recorded conversation “How do I pay off someone I had sex with” isn’t anything to do with discussing a legal case, and so attorney client privilege doesn’t ever apply.

This apparently is a surprise to both Mr Trump and Mr Cohen who kind of assumed that any discussion between a lawyer and their client would be privileged.

If I have the time later, apparently there was a scenario where Mr Trump was talking to someone about something dodgy, and he invited Mr Cohen into the room to be part of the discussion, under the impression that that would make the whole conversation be covered by client-attorney privilege……even though the conversation was actually between Trump and the person who wasn’t Mr Cohen.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:41:27am

This is gonna be fun to use.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:42:13am

re: #188 Dr. Matt

Nazis and anti-Semites slip through GOP primaries, causing headaches for party

nobody “slipped through”, they were known quantities before the election

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:42:52am

re: #191 Unshaken Defiance

This is gonna be fun to use.

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Imma have to save that one.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:43:02am

re: #190 Danack

Attorney-client privilege only applies to legal legal discussions.

A discussion can be an illegal legal discussion if the aim of the conversation is to break the law. e.g.

legal legal discussion - “I’ve been accused of money laundering, what should I do to show my innocence?”

Illegal legal - “I need to launder some money, how can I do it without being caught?”

A discussion can also be non-privileged if it is nothing to do with a law case i.e. a legal non-legal discussion.

In the apparently recorded conversation “How do I pay off someone I had sex with” isn’t anything to do with discussing a legal case, and so attorney client privilege doesn’t ever apply.

This apparently is a surprise to both Mr Trump and Mr Cohen who kind of assumed that any discussion between a lawyer and their client would be privileged.

If I have the time later, apparently there was a scenario where Mr Trump was talking to someone about something dodgy, and he invited Mr Cohen into the room to be part of the discussion, under the impression that that would make the whole conversation be covered by client-attorney privilege……even though the conversation was actually between Trump and the person who wasn’t Mr Cohen.

I’m personally of the belief that Donny’s familiarity with the law is likely informed by his experience running with mobsters in NYC. In other words, having cops on the take who warn them about warrants and raids, prosecutors willing to treat anything said in the presence of an attorney as “privileged,” witnesses suddenly going “missing” or “revising” their stories, etc. Atop that, the evidence is pretty clear that he’s not had any direct hand in running his business in awhile, so he’s probably under the impression that his lawyers can make anything “go away” and is totally used to thinking anybody who was hired by him thus owes him total loyalty including willingness to go to jail for him.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:43:11am

re: #166 Unshaken Defiance

Even if it was illegal, it tells us much about our so called President.

Morning!

You make the point I would make.

Trumpers do not care that Trump is a dirtbag that was out on the town banging other women while his wife was pregnant, etc. They throw a fit over the technical aspects of how this all came to light and how it was attempted to be covered up.

And, a big AND…he has a pattern through his whole life of doing it.

But lock her up!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:43:32am

re: #193 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have not check the origin url, so… maybe I better.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:44:39am

re: #195 ObserverArt

Morning!

You make the point I would make.

Trumpers do not care that Trump is a dirtbag that was out on the town banging other women while his wife was pregnant, etc. They throw a fit over the technical aspects of how this all came to light and how it was attempted to be covered up.

And, a big AND…he has a pattern through his whole life of doing it.

But lock her up!

Yeah, the hilarity of the “law & order” crowd who regularly bitches about “those people” getting off on technicalities suddenly asserting those same technicalities totally invalidate the entire case against Donny.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:47:17am

re: #183 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There was some discussion about that. They had a special review team isolate the privileged material and hand over what’s left. That would be anything materially relevant to showing that the attorney was an active participant in conspiracy or coverup, which is cause for losing attorney-client privilege.

I just not sure what criminal act is involved to corrupt that privilege in this particular instance. Unless, they have successfully argued that the whole Trump-Cohen relationship was so co-mingled that it had become more of a business activity than than an attorney-client relationship

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:47:29am

re: #170 MsJ

Palin lay low? Have you not seen her take advantage of every opportunity to be in front of a camera?

And the other side of Palin is she can’t even be embarrassed to shut the hell up and go away. How many events has that funky family been through that would make ordinary people want to go hide and yet they turn it into a reality TV series.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:48:58am

re: #198 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I just not sure what criminal act is involved to corrupt that privilege in this particular instance. Unless, they have successfully argued that the whole Trump-Cohen relationship was so co-mingled that it had become more of a business activity than than an attorney-client relationship

There’s also the point raised above that in the Stormy Daniels case, it’s a discussion that is not about criminal or civil litigation, and so would not be privileged.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:50:33am

re: #197 Targetpractice

Yeah, the hilarity of the “law & order” crowd who regularly bitches about “those people” getting off on technicalities suddenly asserting those same technicalities totally invalidate the entire case against Donny.

We love to watch crime shows in which we see the perpetrator performing the dastardly deed and then cynically exploiting loopholes in the law. But of course, DT would never do such a thing, must bee the Deep State witch-hunting him.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:51:48am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:52:49am

re: #190 Danack

Attorney-client privilege only applies to legal legal discussions….

…A discussion can also be non-privileged if it is nothing to do with a law case i.e. a legal non-legal discussion.

In the apparently recorded conversation “How do I pay off someone I had sex with” isn’t anything to do with discussing a legal case, and so attorney client privilege doesn’t ever apply. …

But, in this case it also involves the establishment of a nondisclosure agreement, which would seem to make it a legal-legal conversation

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:56:19am

#MeToo
Ladies, please enjoy, especially if you ever worked at a bar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:56:26am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

But, in this case it also involves the establishment of a nondisclosure agreement, which would seem to make it a legal-legal conversation

but if it involves paying for it out of campaign funds, we have opened another can of worms

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:56:54am
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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:58:18am

re: #194 Targetpractice

I’m personally of the belief that Donny’s familiarity with the law is likely informed by his experience running with mobsters in NYC. In other words, having cops on the take who warn them about warrants and raids, prosecutors willing to treat anything said in the presence of an attorney as “privileged,” witnesses suddenly going “missing” or “revising” their stories, etc. Atop that, the evidence is pretty clear that he’s not had any direct hand in running his business in awhile, so he’s probably under the impression that his lawyers can make anything “go away” and is totally used to thinking anybody who was hired by him thus owes him total loyalty including willingness to go to jail for him.

And that is also his thinking when he says “I” never dealt with Russians in the election.

He thinks it’s all cool for him because he probably never did make any direct contact asking for election help.

So what…everyone around you did and they were all part of your campaign.

Oh yeah, no problem…they all know Donny has their back. So everyone will be quiet and The Don will be just fine. He is so loyal!

Good luck with Trump Loyalty®…I think that is an oxymoron…for morons.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:58:37am
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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:58:42am

Swedish forest fire saga, Saturday PM:
- 68 fires according to SOS Alarm (112 operator)
- The worst hit area, in Ljusdal, is now bigger than the Västmanland fire of 2014 and thus the largest in modern times.
- 8 VMA’s (Important Public Announcements) are active.
- Forest areas in Gävleborg, Dalarna and Jämtland counties are the worst hit, as well as Brattsjö outside Örnsköldsvik.
- In many locations, people have been forced to evacuate from their homes, but around 60 people in Hälsingland could return home Saturday AM.
- Two Italian firebombers have been at the scene in Härjedalen and Ljusdal since Wednesday.
- Two French firebombers arrived in Swedien Thursday and began water bombing runs Friday.
- Norwegian and Danish firefighters are participating in the mission, and will also get support from helicopters from Lithuania and Germany.
- 140 Polish firefighters with 44 rescue trucks will be arriving Saturday to help.
- In many locations, the situation is dire, with rescue personnel and volunteers who for several days have tried to fight the fires.
- 500 volunteers from the defence forces have cut their vacations short to participate in the rescue mission.
- The fires in Fågelsjö/Lillåsen in Jämtland, Kårböle in Gävleborgs county, Trängslet in Dalarna och Brattsjö outsdie Örnsköldsvik are deemed the most serious and can’t be put out at the time being, according to MSB.
- SMHI (Swedish NOAA) warns that the risk of fire is very high or extremely high in almost the entire country.
- Prohibition of open fire in effect in almost the entire country.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:59:03am

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

Now that’s maximum adorableness!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:00:47am
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:01:18am
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:02:30am

re: #66 Big Beautiful Door

Not attracting millions. He said millions and millions had already signed up, even though you can’t sign up until September.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:05:21am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Behold the Master Race.

*snort*

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:06:30am

re: #214 Dr Lizardo

Behold the Master Race.

*snort*

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:08:12am
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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:09:40am

re: #216 Ace-o-aces

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I suspect that Donny is just finding out that Cohen did a CYA shit that’s now about to grab his client by the dick.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:12:35am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:12:51am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:13:11am

re: #216 Ace-o-aces

Amazing that DT forgets and so conveniently that Mueller and Company had a warrant for those tapes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:14:15am

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

Amazing that DT forgets and so conveniently that Mueller and Company had a warrant for those tapes.

It is all about equating Mueller and the FBI with the Gestapo and Donald Trump with Anne Frank

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:15:15am

re: #221 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT is no Anne Frank. She could write he has no idea where to begin.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:15:15am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:16:20am

Heh…Tiger Woods just tied for the lead in The Open at 6 under with three other players.

Flipped back to local NBC after watching Formula 1 race qualifying and golf was on so I let it roll. Got interested when I saw Tiger was doing well.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:18:45am

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nobody “slipped through”, they were known quantities before the election

They were known quantities for decades.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:20:24am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:20:51am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because We the People allow them to exist in that form.

But that is too much nuance for the masses to grasp.

Instead, we have a system that encourages owners to milk corporations for all they can get and then flip them or let them run out of business.

And lots of other destructive practices, especially lobbying for laws which allow them to pollute, break unions and squeeze their workers to maximize profits.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:22:25am

re: #164 makeitstop

That ‘perhaps illegal’ crap that Trump threw at the wall this morning will not stick.

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Gorgeous morning here, even thought they’re calling for rain later.

I will say, as an attorney, its highly unethical to record a client without their knowledge.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:23:04am

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

Amazing that DT forgets and so conveniently that Mueller and Company had a warrant for those tapes.

He probably believed his “fixers” that the tapes would never see the light of day, so when they did not appear on the very small list of privileged materials yesterday, they panicked and decided making the tapes public now would lessen the impact and give some measure of cover in a week when their client kept stepping on his own dick again and again.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:25:04am

re: #224 ObserverArt

Heh…Tiger Woods just tied for the lead in The Open at 6 under with three other players.

Flipped back to local NBC after watching Formula 1 race qualifying and golf was on so I let it roll. Got interested when I saw Tiger was doing well.

He had a tough time of things for a long while. Glad to see him back in the game.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:25:45am

re: #227 Big Beautiful Door

And lots of other destructive practices, especially lobbying for laws which allow them to pollute, break unions and squeeze their workers to maximize profits.

and that gets me…corporations are a collective: investors pooling their capital to maximize their bargaining power.

but when workers or consumers try to do the same, that is held up as being anathema to our American Way of life.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:25:47am

re: #223 Ace-o-aces

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He has. Going all out to support his hero’s master.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:25:48am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:25:52am

Here’s a good cop story.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:26:53am

re: #233 JordanRules

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Me when a normal bug is on me: “GETITOFF! GETITOFF! GETITOFF!!!”

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:27:38am

Has fox “news” starting screeching about the FBI illegally breaking into innocent lamb’s Cohen office? Wait for it…..

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:29:01am

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

I will say, as an attorney, its highly unethical to record a client without their knowledge.

Well, we are talking about Michael Cohen, here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:29:23am
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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:29:55am

re: #219 wheat-dogg

Yet another girl drummer, aged 9, from Ukraine.

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Video

Great video. Being a drummer myself, this may be the most fun video I’ve seen of a young drummer of the many that are out there.

I like the way it tells her whole story from just following beats listening to music and imagining playing a drum kit to her father deciding to fix up the ol’ tool shed and buy her a kit. Great dad.

And the first thing she does with the kit…touch it and check it out all over before evening hitting a drum head. Love it! I hope she has a great future. She has the right attitude.

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garzooma  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:30:01am

re: #207 ObserverArt

And that is also his thinking when he says “I” never dealt with Russians in the election.

He thinks it’s all cool for him because he probably never did make any direct contact asking for election help.

[…]

John Marshall at TPM had something similar to say:

Um, Wait. What Phone Call?
Yesterday President Trump gave an interview to Jeff Glor of CBS News. In a portion where he invoked his standard “no collusion” mantra, there was something more (emphasis added).

[…]

TRUMP: My lawyers are working on that. I’ve always wanted to do an interview, because look, there’s been no collusion. There’s been no talk of Russia. There’s been no phone call. There’s been nothing. […]

[…]
So what is this call that definitely positively never happened? We simply don’t know. It could almost literally be anything. One possibility is that “blocked ID” call that Don Jr. had while he was setting up the Trump Tower meeting. I’m told one or more witnesses considering cooperating can confirm that that call was with candidate Trump.
[…]

Or, as you suggest, he didn’t make any calls directly to any Russians, so it’s all good.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:30:03am

re: #238 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So tell me more about snowflakes wingnuts.

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Danack  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:30:05am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

But, in this case it also involves the establishment of a nondisclosure agreement, which would seem to make it a legal-legal conversation

No…..that’s a ‘business’ deal. That’s nothing to do with a court case.

Separately there’s a reasonable chance Trump was trying to make the payment illegally. e.g. if Trump was directing Cohen to make the payment from the Trump charity.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:30:33am

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

I will say, as an attorney, its highly unethical to record a client without their knowledge.

Not to mention, not a very bright thing to do.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:31:17am

IT rears its ugly head again….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:32:10am

re: #245 Dr. Matt

IT rears its ugly head again….

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Wingnut welfare strikes again.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:32:38am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Wingnut welfare strikes again.

It knows no bounds.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:32:52am

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

I will say, as an attorney, its highly unethical to record a client without their knowledge.

You get the ethics you pay for…or deserve!

Everything about Trump is unethical. So he should be pretty comfortable with everyone else being a dirtball.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:34:03am

Have any of you noticed that whenever Trump says “No collusion with Russia,” he doesn’t say his campaign didn’t anymore?

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:34:35am
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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:35:02am

re: #204 Unshaken Defiance

#MeToo
Ladies, please enjoy, especially if you ever worked at a bar.

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Before I clicked, I was so afraid the black customer was going to be the bad guy. It pleases me that it was a white guy who walked into the frame…

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:35:04am

re: #237 makeitstop

Well, we are talking about Michael Cohen, here.

Says who?!

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:37:07am

re: #238 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Glenn still hasn’t figured out what’s going on has he?

There has to be something in the water at The New York Times.

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Jay C  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:40:59am

re: #251 sagehen

Before I clicked, I was so afraid the black customer was going to be the bad guy. It pleases me that it was a white guy who walked into the frame…

And you know the main thought of the black guy in the foreground while this is going down is probably “Damn! I’m never going to get my coffee now!”

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:41:58am

re: #240 ObserverArt

Great video. Being a drummer myself, this may be the most fun video I’ve seen of a young drummer of the many that are out there.

I like the way it tells her whole story from just following beats listening to music and imagining playing a drum kit to her father deciding to fix up the ol’ tool shed and buy her a kit. Great dad.

And the first thing she does with the kit…touch it and check it out all over before evening hitting a drum head. Love it! I hope she has a great future. She has the right attitude.

I’m not exactly sure when the whole “girl drummer” thing took off. Maybe you do. My first exposure was with the street drummers in Taiwan, Vela Blue and S.White, whose videos popped here on the mainland. Then I found Senri Kawaguchi, who by far is my favorite since she plays jazz. Was she the inspiration for the others? Now there’s an international competition, “Hit Like a Girl.” What I find really neat is the sheer variety of drummers from all over the world, even from places we don’t usually associate with rock or jazz music.

Thinking about it, maybe Senri-chan was not the first. She’s now 20 (22?) while Vela Blue is coming up on 30 and S.White’s around 25.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:43:03am

re: #209 Teukka

Pic of Polish firefighters arriving:

Facebook Post

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:43:22am
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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:43:50am

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

I will say, as an attorney, its highly unethical to record a client without their knowledge.

And until now, you always thought Michael Cohen was the epitome of ethics?!?

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:44:26am

re: #255 wheat-dogg

This was back in the 90s, but a club we used to go to all the time in Houston called “Fitzgerald’s” had some pretty good local talent. One night, there was a young woman, probably 22 tops, that was playing drums on a sweet Gretsch kit, and she was incredible.

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Bass Reeves  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:45:22am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our Constitutional Forefathers had no idea of the concept of passports, undocumented immigration or naturalization: anyone who made it to America and established themselves there was welcome as a citizen.

I would not be opposed to amending the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship to the children of legal resident aliens. That has been the case in Germany since 2000. But that does not mean that I at all agree with Anton’s arguments for abolishing birthright citizenship.

This take is so frustrating, because you repeat it every time the subject of immigration comes up.

Simply speaking, your amendment of this amendment would run counter the entire fucking purpose in the first place. Slaves were not resident aliens, and did not immigrate. Your proposed amendment is also coming from a place where you swallow the bilge that is that there is some actual problem with illegal immigration where the answer is adding more restrictions. As a whole, that’s just disappointing.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:46:00am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:47:24am

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

I will say, as an attorney, its highly unethical to record a client without their knowledge.

And as such, is par for the course for Cohen.

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BeachDem  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:48:42am

re: #245 Dr. Matt

IT rears its ugly head again….

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But he’s a FIREBRAND! (a word I wish would disappear from political discourse.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:49:23am

I know this was posted before, but I can’t believe the video is still up 16 hours later:

“flip this seat red”

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:50:06am

re: #257 JordanRules

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Donny still trying to kill the NFL 30+ years after his fight with them helped kill the USFL.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:50:23am

re: #260 Bass Reeves

This take is so frustrating, because you repeat it every time the subject of immigration comes up.

Simply speaking, your amendment of this amendment would run counter the entire fucking purpose in the first place. Slaves were not resident aliens, and did not immigrate. Your proposed amendment is also coming from a place where you swallow the bilge that is that there is some actual problem with illegal immigration where the answer is adding more restrictions. As a whole, that’s just disappointing.

again, that is history, we are not bringing boatloads of people here against their will.

I believe that immigrants should be welcome, but regulated

And it is not about just adding restrictions, it is about overhauling the entire system by which we allow access to our country, its labor market and ultimately to citizenship. That does not necessarily mean adding restrictions, but the current system is so fraught with contradictions and potential for abuse that it cannot be maintained.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:51:13am

re: #264 GlutenFreeJesus

I know this was posted before, but I can’t believe the video is still up 16 hours later:

“flip this seat red”

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If Bernie is involved, yes, he’s capable enough to fuck things up and flip seats red.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:51:20am

re: #265 Targetpractice

He’s still pissed that they blocked him from buying the Buffalo Bills.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:51:45am

re: #257 JordanRules

Not to mention that the NFL is a business, and not a branch of the government. Trump has no power over it, other than his bullying pulpit.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:52:22am

re: #264 GlutenFreeJesus

I know this was posted before, but I can’t believe the video is still up 16 hours later:

“flip this seat red”

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Bernie feels secure in his seat, so he’s trying to cost the DNC theirs instead.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:53:27am

re: #270 Targetpractice

Bernie feels secure in his seat, so he’s trying to cost the DNC theirs instead.

Ralph Nader practically disappeared after he helped dubyah get elected. I wish Bernie would follow his lead.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:54:18am

re: #270 Targetpractice

Bernie feels secure in his seat, so he’s trying to cost the DNC theirs instead.

I wish more people would see what a selfish prick he really is.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:54:43am

re: #271 Dr. Matt

Ralph Nader practically disappeared after he helped dubyah get elected. I wish Bernie would follow his lead.

He ran again in 2004 remember?

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:55:16am

re: #259 Ace Rothstein

This was back in the 90s, but a club we used to go to all the time in Houston called “Fitzgerald’s” had some pretty good local talent. One night, there was a young woman, probably 22 tops, that was playing drums on a sweet Gretsch kit, and she was incredible.

I am not coordinated enough to make my four limbs work independently of each other so quickly, so I’m amazed at the chops these youngsters have. Most started drumming before they were in kindergarten or at least before age 8. I admire their parents for putting up with all the noise and even encouraging it, too.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:56:30am

re: #262 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And as such, is par for the course for Cohen.

Given Trump’s tendency of contradicting himself within the same conversation, Cohen was probably trying to cover his own ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:56:41am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

He ran again in 2004 remember?

no, because he did not do as much damage then

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:56:59am

Bernie still trying to set himself up as a “true progressive” kingmaker, forgets that his track record would make the Cleveland Browns laugh.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:58:40am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I wish more people would see what a selfish prick he really is.

He fits in more with the Republicans with his mindset of preserving his own personal power at all costs. I think he would have been dangerous in his own right as President, though I will say that I still would have voted for him before I even would consider for the merest nanosecond casting a vote for the Tangerine Wankmaggot.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:59:00am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

He ran again in 2004 remember?

Actually….no.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:59:12am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

no, because he did not do as much damage then

Oh but he tried. Don’t forget that people staying home can be just as impactful as spoilers.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:59:43am

re: #275 wheat-dogg

Given Trump’s tendency of contradicting himself within the same conversation, Cohen was probably trying to cover his own ass.

Bringing tr*mp and lawyer-conversation full circle. His good/ethical lawyers made sure there were two of them during discussions with tweeterlini.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:02:46am

re: #213 Ace Rothstein

Not attracting millions. He said millions and millions had already signed up, even though you can’t sign up until September.

Lying, as usual.

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Targetpractice  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:05:28am

re: #278 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He fits in more with the Republicans with his mindset of preserving his own personal power at all costs. I think he would have been dangerous in his own right as President, though I will say that I still would have voted for him before I even would consider for the merest nanosecond casting a vote for the Tangerine Wankmaggot.

I will never stop believing that a Sanders presidency would have been little more than a far-left version of Trump’s, with the only difference being that he couldn’t rely upon a fanatically loyal DNC majority to cover for his fuck-ups.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:05:50am

re: #237 makeitstop

Well, we are talking about Michael Cohen, here.

Exactly; if Trump wanted an ethical lawyer, he wouldn’t have hired Cohen.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:06:00am

Totally OT, but I found an Obama picture that I had never seen before and now I’m both laughing and crying…

Damn it, I want this man back.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:06:14am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Oh but he tried. Don’t forget that people staying home can be just as impactful as spoilers.

another one of my standard zingers: apathy and indifference are the best forms of voter suppression

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:07:25am

re: #283 Targetpractice

I will never stop believing that a Sanders presidency would have been little more than a far-left version of Trump’s, with the only difference being that he couldn’t rely upon a fanatically loyal DNC majority to cover for his fuck-ups.

He would have been impeached and convicted a year ago when the special counsel was convened.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:10:20am
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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:10:30am

Just posted this at a cheap-labor conservative on FB:

Robert H. Jackson (1945) Opening Statement

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:11:48am

re: #285 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If Trump did that the scale would break.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:12:22am

re: #290 Ace Rothstein

If Trump did that the scale would break.

Which he would then claim is Obama’s fault.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:13:59am
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William Lewis  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:15:10am

re: #191 Unshaken Defiance

Hey RWC have you heard this one yet?

Halestorm - Uncomfortable [Official Video]

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:15:18am

re: #243 Danack

No…..that’s a ‘business’ deal. That’s nothing to do with a court case.

Separately there’s a reasonable chance Trump was trying to make the payment illegally. e.g. if Trump was directing Cohen to make the payment from the Trump charity.

Even in business there is aspects of attorney-client privilege though. Particularly in confidential communication, as I understand it, as long as the attorney-client is intact and hasn’t entered “business advice”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:16:31am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

He ran again in 2004 remember?

I did and I remember that Asshole Nader’s 2004 campaign was financed by Republicans!

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Bass Reeves  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:17:02am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, that is history, we are not bringing boatloads of people here against their will.

I believe that immigrants should be welcome, but regulated

And it is not about just adding restrictions, it is about overhauling the entire system by which we allow access to our country, its labor market and ultimately to citizenship. That does not necessarily mean adding restrictions, but the current system is so fraught with contradictions and potential for abuse that it cannot be maintained.

It’s not “history” it’s the explicit purpose of the amendment, to expand citizenship to the greatest number of people.

The premise that “illegal immigration is a significant problem that needs to be solved” is false. Utterly. Those who cross the border illegally are still a net financial benefit to the United States, and do not contribute to an increase in crime. And a solution to a false problem that starts messing around with the thing that made black people more than 3/5ths of a person is amazingly suspect.

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William Lewis  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:17:25am

re: #221 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is all about equating Mueller and the FBI with the Gestapo and Donald Trump with Anne Frank

Read the other day how Otto Frank was trying to get them into the US but had to stay in the Netherlands. Yet another of our historical sins.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:20:11am

re: #283 Targetpractice

I will never stop believing that a Sanders presidency would have been little more than a far-left version of Trump’s, with the only difference being that he couldn’t rely upon a fanatically loyal DNC majority to cover for his fuck-ups.

If Bernie had been elected he would have already been impeached by the Republican Congress over his tax returns. And his wife would also have been torn to pieces by Chaffetz over her financial bungling. Bernie would have accomplished NOT A F’ING THING!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:21:06am

re: #296 Bass Reeves

It’s not “history” it’s the explicit purpose of the amendment, to expand citizenship to the greatest number of people.

The premise that “illegal immigration is a significant problem that needs to be solved” is false. Utterly. Those who cross the border illegally are still a net financial benefit to the United States, and do not contribute to an increase in crime. And a solution to a false problem that starts messing around with the thing that made black people more than 3/5ths of a person is amazingly suspect.

there are problems connected with that sort of immigration, but not necessarily that they cause an economic deficit or social problems. the problems arise from them being subject to all sorts of exploitation and abuse.

which is the very reason that reform is so difficult, lots of people (and not the immigrants) benefit from the status quo, cheap labor and people who are easily intimidated

and I think we should regulate access to your country and its labor market in a sound and humane way - not necessarily by restricting access and certainly not the haphazard and often inhumane way we do it now

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:22:58am

Sentenced in 2003
So, why now?
Likely release in Dec. 2020 approaching

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:24:01am
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:25:02am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:25:17am

re: #285 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Totally OT, but I found an Obama picture that I had never seen before and now I’m both laughing and crying…

[Embedded content]

Damn it, I want this man back.

It’s hard to believe that 18 months and 1 day ago he was our POTUS. Seems like a lifetime.

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mmmirele  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:25:24am

re: #178 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s what I was thinking. I know that’s why all the telephone support/help lines include that little notice “calls may be recorded” line at the start

Obviously my employer is not listening to the beginning of calls on the help line. Every time I have to call in to my company’s internal technical help desk, I have to tangle with this voice activated thing (instead of the, to me, more intuitive, “press 1 for x, press 2 for y”). The last time I called, I was reduced to yelling and cussing at the thing within 60 seconds. The problem I was calling about was that I was logging in to Window and Windows appeared to hang and I never got to the desktop. When I tried to explain that to the voice activated thing, it wanted me to change my password, and my response was some florid cussing, along the lines of “No g-d it, it is not my f-ing password that is the problem, it’s accepting the password, it is not getting to the f-ing desktop. You g-d piece of s*** why can’t I have numeric prompts?” (presses 0 several times in an attempt to opt out to the main queue).

This problem has happened numerous times. I’ve resolved it by continually rebooting the box until, about time five or six, it finally gets to the desktop. I’ve never gotten to an agent before a reboot gets me to the desktop. It probably doesn’t help that I worked at the help desk for five years and I know this can be done better. Oh, and it doesn’t happen every day. It just happens occasionally, but it’s enough to be an aggravation right when I’m starting to work.

/stupid technology tricks
/first world problems

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Bass Reeves  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:25:41am

re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ohh, so you want to regulate access to PROTECT the immigrants, and how does changing birthright citizenship help with that?

Edit: The single best way to prevent exploitation of immigrant workers to to not demonize and criminalize them, and lower barriers to entry. It’s like the drug war.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:27:21am

re: #301 Ace Rothstein

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:27:36am

re: #304 mmmirele

One of the neat technological toys that we may wind up implementing with my current project is the ability to detect when someone is getting angry at our artificial intelligence. The idea is to transfer them over to a live human for results before it gets to the point where you’re swearing at us.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:28:25am

re: #306 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

His friend Jim, right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:28:55am

re: #305 Bass Reeves

Ohh, so you want to regulate access to PROTECT the immigrants, and how does changing birthright citizenship help with that?

There should be birthright citizenship

it should be granted to the offspring of those who enter legally

It should be possible for people to enter legally

and yes, illegal immigration leads to a great deal of abuse and exploitation

I am not for closing our borders, I am for reforming the way we regulate access to our territory and our labor market

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Bass Reeves  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:30:23am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There should be birthright citizenship

it should be granted to everyone who enters legally

JFC, the pregnant mother isn’t getting the citizenship, it’s the BABY.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:30:53am

re: #310 Bass Reeves

JFC, the pregnant mother isn’t getting the citizenship, it’s the BABY.

I corrected that…

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mmmirele  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:32:11am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Bass Reeves  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:32:36am

re: #311 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Okay, so what is the difference between your position and Anton’s? You don’t like his argument of what the 14th amendment says, but you would like to change the 14th amendment to what he says it says.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:34:18am
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mmmirele  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:34:38am

re: #255 wheat-dogg

Girl drummer of my childhood and early teen years = Karen Carpenter.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:36:38am
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:38:25am
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William Lewis  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:38:34am

re: #315 mmmirele

Girl drummer of my childhood and early teen years = Karen Carpenter.

Would have been a good thing had they let her keep drumming and not just singing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:41:25am

re: #313 Bass Reeves

Okay, so what is the difference between your position and Anton’s? You don’t like his argument of what the 14th amendment says, but you would like to change the 14th amendment to what he says it says.

yes, I would like it to be amended.

Birthright citizenship to children of legal immigrants

for that I want to see a reform of immigration to make it easier for people to come here.

legally, registered and with a path to citizenship and with automatic citizenship for their children

I am for regulating our borders and our labor market, not for closing it off

that is what I have been saying all along

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:49:08am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:49:57am

it’s our good fortune that fascism came to the united states in the form of an absurd ignorant incompetent klown with a strawberry blonde die job combover held together with hairspray and bobbie pins

my fear? that the next one won’t be a clown

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:50:01am

re: #318 William Lewis

Would have been a good thing had they let her keep drumming and not just singing.

Wouldn’t have stopped Herb Alpert and her brother from fat-shaming her to death.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:54:58am

re: #305 Bass Reeves

Ohh, so you want to regulate access to PROTECT the immigrants, and how does changing birthright citizenship help with that?

Edit: The single best way to prevent exploitation of immigrant workers to to not demonize and criminalize them, and lower barriers to entry. It’s like the drug war.

Stripping birthright citizenship has long been a goal of conservatives and white nationalists.

If you can declare group X entered “illegally,” then group X’s children are all stateless non-citizens.

The whole goal of taking birthright citizenship away is to remove the citizenship of millions of people like me. It is why people like Steve King (R-acist) support it.

Cheechako: My wife and I are off to the hotel you suggested for breakfast. We’ll be there shortly. Look around for the guy in the white trilby with long hair and a blue coat, with the cute lady with grey hair. That’s us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:58:13am

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

Stripping birthright citizenship has long been a goal of conservatives and white nationalists.

If you can declare group X entered “illegally,” then group X’s children are all stateless non-citizens.

The whole goal of taking birthright citizenship away is to remove the citizenship of millions of people like me. It is why people like Steve King (R-acist) support it.

I am talking about future reforms, not about retroactive changes to the current status, even though I disagree with it.

and besides none of these reforms are going to happen any time soon

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Bass Reeves  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:58:24am

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

Sorry brother, in this thread removing birthright citizenship is also the way to protect immigrants from exploitation and abuse.

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BeachDem  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:59:00am

re: #301 Ace Rothstein

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Were his “friends” hiring “inmates” or ex-cons/parolees? Gah, he really doesn’t understand words at all. His stories have enough holes to drain pasta.

But on a positive note, want to give a shoutout to Sister Virginia, a feisty nun in Pennsylvania, who has been helping formerly incarcerated men make a positive transition to life on the outside for 25 years.

stephens-place.org

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:59:29am

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

[…]
The whole goal of taking birthright citizenship away is to remove the citizenship of millions of people like me. It is why people like Steve King (R-eich) support it.
[…]

FTFY.

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William Lewis  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:59:32am

re: #322 Joe Bacon 🌹

Probably not. But the increased self esteem from playing the way she wanted to play? Might have helped though the only thing in the end would have been her own band separate from her brother.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:59:43am

re: #325 Bass Reeves

Sorry brother, in this thread removing birthright citizenship is also the way to protect immigrants from exploitation and abuse.

again, I am talking about future reforms that we should consider

not about stripping birthright citizenship of people already born here

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:59:48am

i’ve seen a number of articles in business magazines predicting the next recession in about late 2019 - 2020, but this is definitely the best article on the details of the economic dynamics of it that ive seen:

The End is Near For the Economic Boom

fortune.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:00:48am

re: #330 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’ve seen a number of articles in business magazines predicting the next recession in about late 2019 - 2020, but this is definitely the best article on the details of the economic dynamics of it that ive seen:

The End is Near For the Economic Boom

fortune.com

all the more reason for the GOP to abandon Trump and hand this mess over to another Democratic administration to fix

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:01:37am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am talking about future reforms, not about retroactive changes to the current status, even though I disagree with it.

and besides none of these reforms are going to happen any time soon

Like kicking out veterans from the country who were promised by the Army citizenship for service (sounds like Heinlein)?

I do not trust any conservative in government to enact exactly what they’ve been saying they wanted since the 1924 Immigration Act.

I’m out the door now, catch y’all later (and maybe Cheechako in a couple minutes in real life)

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:03:23am

Fly by tweet.

This is what satellite radio taught me just now (by playing these songs within a few minutes of each other).

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:04:19am
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KGxvi  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:05:09am

So, I’ve mentioned before, in law school I took constitutional law taught by John Eastman. I remember a discussion/debate with him about birthright citizenship. His whole argument rested on the idea of who a person would owe alligence to at birth. It was a clearly premodern approach to the question that made no real sense. The idea that alligence is just automatic because you’re born somewhere rather than because of your experiences.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:06:10am

re: #332 Anymouse 🌹

Like kicking out veterans from the country who were promised by the Army citizenship for service (sounds like Heinlein)?

I do not trust any conservative in government to enact exactly what they’ve been saying they wanted since the 1924 Immigration Act.

I’m out the door now, catch y’all later (and maybe Cheechako in a couple minutes in real life)

I am not for changing any rules for people already here

Nor am I for altering rules on birthright citizenship as a separate and independent step outside a package of reforms to our immigration system

and yes, regulations can also serve to protect people

please do not lump me with those whose solution consists solely of “Build the Wall!” and “Round them up and deport them!”

I am for immigration, Legal and regulated immigration.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:06:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:07:46am

re: #335 KGxvi

So, I’ve mentioned before, in law school I took constitutional law taught by John Eastman. I remember a discussion/debate with him about birthright citizenship. His whole argument rested on the idea of who a person would owe alligence to at birth. It was a clearly premodern approach to the question that made no real sense. The idea that alligence is just automatic because you’re born somewhere rather than because of your experiences.

Our concept was developed and instituted to counter British claims to Americans born to former British subjects in the former colonies.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:08:27am
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retired cynic  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:08:55am

re: #261 JordanRules

One of the major papers, news sites or TV shows should start a split screen thing every day: Today, DT did such and such (with photo), and exactly four years ago, President Obama did such and such (with photo).

I would cheer. You could do the same thing for Congress under Democratic leadership vs under Republican leadership.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:10:19am

Someone asked earlier how Mueller got around the attorney-client privilege as it pertains to the Cohen tape.

Team Trump waived it. Why, I have no idea. Unless they thought it would get people talking about that instead of the Helsinki debacle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:17:47am

re: #341 makeitstop

Someone asked earlier how Mueller got around the attorney-client privilege as it pertains to the Cohen tape.

Team Trump waived it. Why, I have no idea. Unless they thought it would get people talking about that instead of the Helsinki debacle.

Maybe Rudy the attorney advised him to do so?

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:18:33am

re: #193 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Imma have to save that one.

Still love this one.

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:19:02am

re: #341 makeitstop

Someone asked earlier how Mueller got around the attorney-client privilege as it pertains to the Cohen tape.

Team Trump waived it. Why, I have no idea. Unless they thought it would get people talking about that instead of the Helsinki debacle.

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Which Putin told Trump would make people quit talking about baby jails.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:24:56am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:26:24am

re: #48 Eclectic Cyborg

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Video

I don’t think much about music videos, but I have always loved this one especially. You just want to be in that bar at the end.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:29:07am

re: #108 Dave In Austin

Christ on a Cracker

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I think this requires Bernie to show us his last 15 years of tax returns.

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mmmirele  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:29:52am

I hate to take Glenn Greenwald as a source of anything, but I have seen musings on Twitter from him where he says Ecuador is about to withdraw asylum from Julian Assange. (Thanks “friends” who retweet that guy *scowl*).

Again, I don’t know what to make of it or if it is true, just ponying up the latest scuttlebutt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:31:56am

re: #348 mmmirele

I hate to take Glenn Greenwald as a source of anything, but I have seen musings on Twitter from him where he says Ecuador is about to withdraw asylum from Julian Assange. (Thanks “friends” who retweet that guy *scowl*).

Again, I don’t know what to make of it or if it is true, just ponying up the latest scuttlebutt.

what reason or benefit do they have for keeping him?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:33:14am

re: #341 makeitstop

Someone asked earlier how Mueller got around the attorney-client privilege as it pertains to the Cohen tape.

Team Trump waived it. Why, I have no idea. Unless they thought it would get people talking about that instead of the Helsinki debacle.

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I wonder if Trump had to waive privilege, so that his new lawyers could have access to the info?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:35:00am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:35:19am

Oh lovely, now there’s an RW movement on FB to get The View cancelled.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:38:30am

re: #348 mmmirele

I hate to take Glenn Greenwald as a source of anything, but I have seen musings on Twitter from him where he says Ecuador is about to withdraw asylum from Julian Assange. (Thanks “friends” who retweet that guy *scowl*).

Again, I don’t know what to make of it or if it is true, just ponying up the latest scuttlebutt.

Assange is more trouble than he’s worth at this point. And I’m sure the Ecuadorians are getting sick of him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:39:26am

re: #352 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh lovely, now there’s an RW movement on FB to get The View cancelled.

They’ve been trying to for years.

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William Lewis  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:43:39am

A great article on NPR:

There was a conspicuous act of bravery in the second half of this week’s World Cup championship game.

The French team, which won 4 to 2, was bold and deft. Many of their players are immigrants, or children of immigrants, from Africa. Their victory was also seen as a triumph over bigots in France, who have vilified and attacked immigrants.

The Croatian national team was dauntless. Several of their players were from families who were refugees when their country was torn by war.

But true daring occurred in the 52nd minute of the game.

npr.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:46:21am

re: #355 William Lewis

The French team, which won 4 to 2, was bold and deft. Many of their players are immigrants, or children of immigrants, from Africa. Their victory was also seen as a triumph over bigots in France, who have vilified and attacked immigrants.

Yes, Trump went to Brussels and talked about the negative influences of immigration and later went on to praise the French national team for winning.

Fer fuck’s sake…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:46:52am
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Skip Intro  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:49:13am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Any bets on when Trump releases her? There’s not doubt whatever that he’s going to.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:50:24am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Pompeo is worse than Tillerson was. Are there any photos of him with Bulina? I know he’s a religious right nut.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:50:37am

re: #358 Skip Intro

Any bets on when Trump releases her? There’s not doubt whatever that he’s going to.

as soon as he thinks he can get away with it

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:50:54am

re: #339 JordanRules

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The Right laughed as us we said these laws would turn America into the Wild West. Fucking assholes will never admit they are wrong. Death by firing squad because you were trying to defend your significant other. Un-fucking-real.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:51:46am

re: #361 Dr. Matt

The Right laughed as us we said these laws would turn America into the Wild West. Fucking assholes will never admit they are wrong. Death by firing squad because you were trying to defend your significant other. Un-fucking-real.

I want to see what happens when a black man uses SYG to shoot down a white man in a parking lot with cameras running…

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Skip Intro  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:52:10am

re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as soon as he thinks he can get away with it

That would be today.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:52:35am

re: #355 William Lewis

A great article on NPR:

npr.org

Related…

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Skip Intro  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:53:02am

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I want to see what happens when a black man uses SYG to shoot down a white man in a parking lot with cameras running…

The cops will shoot him down when they arrive.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:53:07am
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KerFuFFler  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:53:56am

re: #184 Unshaken Defiance

Trump FEMA killed more Puerto Ricans with racially motivated neglect than Osama did Americans with 19 Saudis and airplanes.

THIS

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:55:00am

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I want to see what happens when a black man uses SYG to shoot down a white man in a parking lot with cameras running…

The victim literally was backing away and yet the asshole still murdered him.

I had this debate with a former friend who is a trumper where I said people will be able to instigate a confrontation and defend with deadly force if they feel threatened. Unreal. This country is a fucking mess.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:55:34am

re: #196 Unshaken Defiance

I have not check the origin url, so… maybe I better.

You should.
“The Free Thought Project” is a VERY sketchy conspiracy-theorist / alt-news purveyor / new-age hustler with a fraud conviction and many pseudonyms.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:55:50am

re: #364 JordanRules

Related…

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Nationalism is a curse. I know that may sound silly coming from me since I have symbols of my heritage on my body but my love of my heritage isn’t I’m X, fuck yiu for being Y, it’s I want to learn more about yours as I teach you about mine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:57:20am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Nationalism is a curse. I know that may sound silly coming from me since I have symbols of my heritage on my body but my love of my heritage isn’t I’m X, fuck yiu for being Y, it’s I want to learn more about yours as I teach you about mine.

Being proud of your nation, its history and its achievements (while also being aware of its faults and shortcomings) is a fine form of nationalism, but that is not how a lot of people practice it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:57:21am

re: #368 Dr. Matt

The victim literally was backing away and yet the asshole still murdered him.

I had this debate with a former friend who is a trumper where I said people will be able to instigate a confrontation and defend with deadly force if they feel threatened. Unreal. This country is a fucking mess.

Too many people don’t appreciate life. And I blame our culture for that.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:57:43am

re: #316 JordanRules

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That is not a Smiths album I remember hearing?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:59:07am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Being proud of your nation and its accomplishments (while also being aware of its faults and shortcomings) is a fine form of nationalism, but that is not how a lot of people practice it.

Nationalism to me has always been I’m X, fuck you Y! Whereas love of culture is hey I know you’re not familiar with this but give this food, music a try, or read more about our culture.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:59:33am

re: #364 JordanRules

Related…

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Thanks. The “I’m not a fascist, I’m a patriot” line is getting a lot of use these days.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:00:35am

re: #375 Barefoot Grin

Thanks. The “I’m not a fascist, I’m a patriot” line is getting a lot of use these days.

“That’s what they all say” is a good retort.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:02:14am

re: #375 Barefoot Grin

Thanks. The “I’m not a fascist, I’m a patriot” line is getting a lot of use these days.

Trumpism to me seems to take from Hitler, Mussolini, & Franco. The leader worship and nativism of Hitler, the love of state power of Mussolini, & Franco’s religious fervor.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:05:25am

re: #377 HappyWarrior

Trumpism to me seems to take from Hitler, Mussolini, & Franco. The leader worship and nativism of Hitler, the love of state power of Mussolini, & Franco’s religious fervor.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:05:30am

So good!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:07:09am

re: #378 Teukka

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Hey who said right wingers didn’t like to recycle.//

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:07:56am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

Too many people don’t appreciate life. And I blame our culture for that.

That pussy would not have started a confrontation if he wasn’t carrying. He had his penis extension so he knew, by floriduh law, he could respond with deadly force if his snowflake feelings were hurt.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:08:30am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:09:43am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

That pussy would not have started a confrontation if he wasn’t carrying. He had his penis extension so he knew, by floriduh law, he could respond with deadly force if his snowflake feelings were hurt.

That’s what I mean. This stupidity of good guys with guns versus bad people with guns is killing people.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:10:48am

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

I will say, as an attorney, its highly unethical to record a client without their knowledge.

Cohen wasn’t Trump’s attorney, he was his fixer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:13:55am

re: #379 JordanRules

Where were you 49 years today when The Real Buzz and Neil Armstrong made those historic first steps onto the Moon. Congratulations to the Apollo 11 crew and to the thousands that made those steps possible!

I was running around our neighborhood in Gary, Indiana, one of the proudest ten-year-old American kids in the world. We were truly the greatest!

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freetoken  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:30:34am

Speaking of the Moon, new from NASA Goddard, because you desperate need a beauty break:

Moonlight (Clair de Lune)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:32:48am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:35:36am
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:40:09am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:45:01am

Another day in the GunStar State.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:46:25am

re: #348 mmmirele

I hate to take Glenn Greenwald as a source of anything, but I have seen musings on Twitter from him where he says Ecuador is about to withdraw asylum from Julian Assange. (Thanks “friends” who retweet that guy *scowl*).

Again, I don’t know what to make of it or if it is true, just ponying up the latest scuttlebutt.

* Ecuador is going to boot Assange
* Trump is going to fire Rosenstein
* Kelly is going to resign

These stories are going to happen every single Friday…

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:51:28am

re: #341 makeitstop

Someone asked earlier how Mueller got around the attorney-client privilege as it pertains to the Cohen tape.

Team Trump waived it. Why, I have no idea. Unless they thought it would get people talking about that instead of the Helsinki debacle.

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Like I said in my #5, squirrel logic. It really is the dumbest shit and Giuliani’s reasoning makes no sense which is of course why they did it. These are not smart people.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:52:43am

I think the Tisch family, along with the Mara’s, were a major factor in blocking Trump from acquiring a foot into the NFL

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:53:06am

re: #391 b.d.

* Ecuador is going to boot Assange
* Trump is going to fire Rosenstein
* Kelly is going to resign

These stories are going to happen every single Friday…

And….

*GOP is going to impeach Rosenstein

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:53:17am

re: #393 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:54:23am

Dory spent last evening cuddling and tentatively exploring. We put her in a crate in our bedroom to sleep. After about 5-10 minutes, I heard the expected whining. Then I noticed the whining was moving around the bedroom - she’d opened the SECOND door of the crate, which I forgot it had, and was wandering around the bed unable to find a way up. After a few minutes of snuggling, we put her back in the crate and secured the doors.

Then the whining REALLY began! But it only lasted about 10-15 minutes, and then she settled down and slept till about 7:00, when Mrs. FBW got up.

This morning, she’s been coming out of her shell, much more actively exploring.

Dory, the Explory

She’s probably got significant terrier in her. She’s hell on plushies, dragging them back to her lair and shaking the living crap out of them. After about hour of active play, she was plumb tuckered out.

Dory The Snory

Rango still doesn’t know what to make of her, but so far, not breakfast. She approaches him tentatively, as a human might approach an elephant.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:56:43am

re: #396 Blind Frog Belly White

She looks sooo cute. :)

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:57:08am

re: #396 Blind Frog Belly White

She’s probably got significant terrier in her.

She’s got significant cute all over her.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:58:26am

re: #396 Blind Frog Belly White

I am soooo looking forward to the continuing story of Dory!!

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:58:27am

re: #398 wrenchwench

She’s got significant cute all over her.

It’s how they keep us from killing them when they do the other stuff.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:58:37am

re: #394 Dr. Matt

And….

*GOP is going to impeach Rosenstein

Yep, that too. All these certain to happen things that never happen.

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:01:17pm

re: #400 Belafon

It’s how they keep us from killing them when they do the other stuff.

I once heard a dad say that about his 3 month old, whom he was raising on his own because the baby’s mother left in a post-partum snit. He had all my sympathies.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:02:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:04:59pm
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:06:03pm
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:07:29pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:08:17pm

re: #396 Blind Frog Belly White

Dory needs a friend to sleep with

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:08:46pm

re: #404 Charles Johnson

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Congratulations on them not getting over you yet.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:20:05pm

re: #404 Charles Johnson

My wife was telling me they dug up tweets from 10 years ago. Any idea exactly what they said, because it’s clear they went after him for his comments on Trump?

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:20:27pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:24:52pm

Well, you knew it was only a matter of time before someone tried the “disappearing human” on the other household critter
It takes a while, keep watching

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:26:41pm

re: #409 Belafon

My wife was telling me they dug up tweets from 10 years ago. Any idea exactly what they said, because it’s clear they went after him for his comments on Trump?

He tweeted quite a few very offensive jokes about pedophilia. I won’t defend those jokes, but they’ve come up before and he’s apologized for them. Getting him fired by Disney is a total bad faith move by very bad people, trying to silence critics of Trump.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:31:15pm

re: #404 Charles Johnson

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That disgusting blob of hate has a 155K followers?! I reported at least 2 dozen tweets that are in clear violation of twitter’s TOS including a potential threat to Democrats:

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:32:52pm

re: #413 Dr. Matt

That sounds like a threat to me. If I had a twitter account I would report him.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:43:21pm

re: #414 PhillyPretzel

re: #413 Dr. Matt

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:44:48pm

re: #415 Teukka

wpITpFRCzUXCuPBrHJd4EEpfPgEtIbSNfJNxs2B6JzI=

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:45:29pm

re: #396 Blind Frog Belly White

Cute pup! She looks like she is going to be intelligent too. She has that I wanna know look. Probably also means she will be a little dickens too.

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:49:46pm

re: #417 ObserverArt

Cute pup! She looks like she is going to be intelligent too. She has that I wanna know look. Probably also means she will be a little dickens too.

Charles Dickens? Does she have that ‘I can write’ look?

A Tail of Two Kitties

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:55:50pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 12:59:27pm

re: #419 Belafon

Stark results from MIT’s Laboratory for Social Machines: False information retweeted by more people than the true stuff, and faster to boot. True stories take, on average, six times longer than falsehoods to reach at least 1,500 people.

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its pants on!”

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VegasGolfer  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:03:29pm

re: #420 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

freakonomics.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:09:31pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:11:54pm

re: #422 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Schools need to teach Western Civilization and American History.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:14:22pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:20:45pm

re: #424 Charles Johnson

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That’s the most music nerd comment I have ever read.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:22:15pm

re: #422 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:29:51pm

re: #422 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders, in joint rally, say their agenda is now Democratic ‘mainstream’

Fox wants them to be “Democratic mainstream” so they can knock the stuffing out of that straw man.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:34:01pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:38:46pm

re: #428 JordanRules

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:41:34pm

Hi everyone!
It’s fucking hot.
I’ve learned to do my thing in the a.m. I can handle it then.

Great news I just found out, Marriott registered my 2.5 month flood stay under my own name, not the insurance co’s so I am a silver member with 85K points!!

FBW - GREAT new pup. Looking forward to all the Rango/Dory stories.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:45:32pm

re: #430 Stanley Sea

That is good news. One question: What can you do with 85,000 points?

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:47:52pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:50:23pm

re: #431 PhillyPretzel

That is good news. One question: What can you do with 85,000 points?

Free nights at Marriott hotels. First one I looked up in St. Augustine is 15K for free. So I guess I have about 6 free nights at the hotels??!!!

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:51:01pm

re: #433 Stanley Sea

Sounds good. Enjoy the points. :)

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:52:33pm

re: #432 JordanRules

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Maga idiots. Real jobs are jobs. Especially ones that serve your ass.

They’re demented.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:54:09pm

re: #413 Dr. Matt

That disgusting blob of hate has a 155K followers?! I reported at least 2 dozen tweets that are in clear violation of twitter’s TOS including a potential threat to Democrats:

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I reported that prick for threatening Charles, but I doubt @jack will do anything.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:55:47pm

re: #436 Joe Bacon 🌹

I reported that prick for threatening Charles, but I doubt @jack will do anything.

Also, it may tip law enforcement off on their activities, bragging implictly like that is a systemic character flaw with righties.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:56:41pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 1:59:00pm

re: #413 Dr. Matt

Easily triggered.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:12:57pm
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:14:41pm

Lolwut?!?

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plansbandc  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:16:13pm

re: #396 Blind Frog Belly White

OMG the cuteness!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:17:33pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:20:01pm

re: #438 Stanley Sea

208 kids are taking part in the 50 yard challenge all over America and in 3 other countries .

I passed my 50 yard challenge today. I walked 50 yards to the bakery and back to fetch fresh rolls and stayed in the rest of the day.

Had a busy week and did two 5k walking tours the evening before.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:20:30pm

I gotta say, this looks promising.

SHAZAM! - Official Teaser Trailer [HD]

DC can be hit or miss, so we’ll have to see of course.

Gonna call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Varek Raith  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:29:06pm

re: #441 JordanRules

Lolwut?!?

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Karma.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:31:12pm

re: #441 JordanRules

Lolwut?!?

Pruitt staffers worry he was exposed to toxic chemicals from desk he bought in controversial $10,000 office makeover

Novichok or GTFO.

448
Varek Raith  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:32:26pm

Irony meters everywhere are just disintergrating.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:34:18pm

OK, last trailer before I call it a day.

OH SHIT IT’S GODZILLA KING OF THE MONSTERS!

Godzilla: King of the Monsters - Official Trailer 1

And his friends Rodan, Ghidorah and Mothra.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:34:38pm

This movie we’re living in is barely believable. Needs editing.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:36:19pm

re: #450 JordanRules

This movie we’re living in is barely believable. Needs editing.

See, this is how I know we’re not living in a simulation….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:37:31pm

re: #450 JordanRules

This movie we’re living in is barely believable. Needs editing.

welcome to the new media reality

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:37:41pm
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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:42:05pm

re: #449 Dr Lizardo

OK, last trailer before I call it a day.

OH SHIT IT’S GODZILLA KING OF THE MONSTERS!

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And his friends Rodan, Ghidoran and Mothra.

Eleven can’t catch a break even when she finds her mom.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:43:22pm

Wow.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:47:56pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:48:04pm

Whew back from a short day at work. This is cool. I seem to have an apt student of photography. We had to go in and video how to maintain a rolling mill, very boring linear ‘splainer for employees. But I arranged for a little gold melt to video and use in marketing while we were there.

I have been teaching one young lady how to run a dslr. Today I gave it to her and set her loose while I shot video on the other camera. She has that eye thing going on. I can’t teach that part.

Photo by Cheyenne Weinstein

Should I mention it will be her company? Heir apparent at work.

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plansbandc  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:51:42pm

re: #426 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A perfect, utterly tone deaf tweet. Republican through and through.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:52:21pm

re: #455 JordanRules

Wow.

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You had to know that was coming. I’m surprised Coats didn’t say that he, himself, was a stupid poopy-head for ever uttering something that could even remotely be considered a statement against dear leader.

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plansbandc  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:58:17pm

re: #445 Dr Lizardo

It’s got a little “The Tick” sensibility to it. Looks like it could be fun.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 2:59:10pm

Evening Lizardim. How go things among the gentle lizardfolk on this beautiful clear breezy summer Saturday?

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:00:37pm

re: #460 plansbandc

It’s got a little “The Tick” sensibility to it. Looks like it could be fun.

If Tom Hanks had been given super powers.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:01:08pm

re: #461 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim. How go things among the gentle lizardfolk on this beautiful clear breezy summer Saturday?

Its 106 here in Rockwall.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:02:05pm

re: #461 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Rainy in Philly.
weather.gov

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:04:14pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:05:01pm

re: #456 Belafon

Being poor now just leads to being more poor later. Can’t pay to clean your teeth? Next year, pay for a root canal. Can’t pay for a new mattress? Next year, pay for back surgery. Can’t pay to get that lump checked out? Next year, pay for stage 3 cancer. Poverty charges interest.

That’s what ACA was supposed to fix: people who could not afford to see a doctor and get some prescriptions wound up going to ER for surgery….which they also could not afford…and we all had to pay for in the form of higher health insurance rates

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:05:37pm

re: #463 Belafon

Its 106 here in Rockwall.

DFW officially recorded 109, a record for the area.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:06:24pm

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Contrast with Donald Trump looking like he is screaming at the kid mowing the grass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:07:02pm
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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:07:03pm

JFC.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:07:19pm

re: #466 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s what ACA was supposed to fix: people who could not afford to see a doctor and get some prescriptions wound up going to ER for surgery….which they also could not afford…and we all had to pay for in the form of higher health insurance rates

And that’s the biggest reason the Republicans want to kill it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:08:27pm

re: #468 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Contrast with Donald Trump looking like he is screaming at the kid mowing the grass.

“No matter how well dressed you are, kids and dogs can always smell the bum on you.”

WC Fields on why he did not like kids & dogs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:16:27pm
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:21:46pm
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jaunte  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:27:53pm

“Agent of a foreign power.”

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:34:30pm

re: #424 Charles Johnson

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Wait, all these years I’ve been living a lie? I haven’t been so jolted since I learned that my favorite Stones songs were all basically easy open chord.

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451_Montag  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:35:08pm

rawstory.com

Oops looks like Assange is out

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:36:18pm

So punny in the replies!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:36:21pm

re: #477 451_Montag

rawstory.com

Oops looks like Assange is out

I want to believe, but I don’t trust Greenwald as far as I can throw him. The final paragraph of that article, quoted directly from the Hypnowald, reads like something straight out of Alex Jones’s paranoid frothing mouth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:39:54pm

re: #477 451_Montag

rawstory.com

Oops looks like Assange is out

I’ll believe it when I see ASSange cuffed and perp walked!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:42:11pm

re: #476 Barefoot Grin

Wait, all these years I’ve been living a lie? I haven’t been so jolted since I learned that my favorite Stones songs were all basically easy open chord.

In Purple Haze Hendrix does play an augmented ninth chord, I think. It’s hard to be certain because the recording of the rhythm part is very murky, but I’m pretty sure he did use the chord in that one. But Foxy Lady is actually just a pattern of an F# bottom note, and E-A on the top two strings. No A# major third in there.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:45:25pm

re: #481 Charles Johnson

One of these days I gotta sit with somebody and learn more of the basics about how all that works. I should know more about guitars just as my favorite instrument to listen to.

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:46:00pm

re: #481 Charles Johnson

In Purple Haze Hendrix does play an augmented ninth chord, I think. It’s hard to be certain because the recording of the rhythm part is very murky, but I’m pretty sure he did use the chord in that one. But Foxy Lady is actually just a pattern of an F# bottom note, and E-A on the top two strings. No A# major third in there.

And if I say F hashtag, I’m banned, right?

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:51:47pm

re: #481 Charles Johnson

In Purple Haze Hendrix does play an augmented ninth chord, I think. It’s hard to be certain because the recording of the rhythm part is very murky, but I’m pretty sure he did use the chord in that one. But Foxy Lady is actually just a pattern of an F# bottom note, and E-A on the top two strings. No A# major third in there.

That’s great to know. I was taught it as aug 9th back in 8th grade when I took lessons in 1978. Then I said, “I don’t need lessons.” And then I taught myself how to play my favorite Stones songs in standard tuning.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:56:53pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:57:40pm

re: #485 JordanRules

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The RepubliKKKlans are too busy reopening Whitewater.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 3:57:42pm

the moron really needs some new material

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:01:56pm

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Skip Intro  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:04:54pm

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

the moron really needs some new material

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He’s just reinforcing the message to the morons.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:06:32pm

Yes, MAGAT! You ARE stupid!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:06:53pm

re: #483 wrenchwench

And if I say F hashtag, I’m banned, right?

Yes.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:09:49pm

re: #490 Joe Bacon 🌹

If I recall an episode of The Apprentice correctly someone found one of those magic 8 balls and was joking around with it. Several people complained and it was brought to DT’s attention. That person was kicked off the show for trying to spook those who complained.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:12:06pm

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

the moron really needs some new material

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The POTUS is flailing, every day he is sinking a little bit further in the quicksand and everyday he is losing one or two of his hard core supporters…..he’s toast.

I am reminded on how around 3 or 4 years ago I saw a relatively new Nixon Was Right! bumper sticker on a station wagon.

1st of all, Nixon would be considered a full fledged Commie (the bad kind, not the Putin kind) by today’s wingnut standards.
Secondly, screw those guys.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:13:46pm

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

the moron really needs some new material

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Rigged Witch Hunt….as opposed to the other kinds of Witch Hunts…..

//

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:13:51pm

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

the moron really needs some new material

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OK, remember I only started following political news again when they raided Cohen’s office, so I’m out of the loop, but this has been driving me nuts: What does the idiot mean “13 Angry Democrats”? Why 13 in particular? I’m sure there’s well over 100,000,000 of us….

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:15:16pm

re: #490 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:15:29pm

re: #461 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim. How go things among the gentle lizardfolk on this beautiful clear breezy summer Saturday?

Noachian flooding here in MD.

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wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:16:13pm

re: #491 Ace Rothstein

Yes.

Just asking questions! I’m sharper than I look.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:16:30pm

109 in beautiful downtown Fort Worth….I survived it by hanging out in a brewpub.

Hank Hill: How is cutting down on pollution a government plot, Dale?
Dale Gribble: Open up your eyes, man. They’re trying to control global warming. Get it? GLO-BAL.
Hank Hill: So what?
Dale Gribble: That’s code for U.N. commissars telling Americans what the temperature’s going to be in their outdoors. I say let the world warm up, see what Boutros Boutros-Ghali-Ghali thinks about that! We’ll grow oranges in Alaska.
Hank Hill: Dale, you giblet-head, we live in Texas. It’s already 110° in the summer, and if it gets one degree hotter, I’m gonna kick your ass!

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:17:31pm

Whaaa? Is this shit for realz?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:18:27pm

re: #500 Teukka

And of course the plate is covered.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:18:33pm

re: #497 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Noachian flooding here in MD.

I’ll send my ark.

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Cheechako  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:22:45pm

Had brunch with Mr/Ms Anymouse this morning. They’re having a great trip. A great conversation. Happy to meet up with any LGFer’s if you’re cruising through Juneau.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:23:56pm

re: #503 Cheechako

I will keep that in mind if I am ever up there. :)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:24:06pm

re: #503 Cheechako

Had brunch with Mr/Ms Anymouse this morning. They’re having a great trip. A great conversation. Happy to meet up with any LGFer’s if you’re cruising through Juneau.

I saw Mr. Anymouse post about that this morning. Glad you guys got to meet up. There’s a similar standing invitation for any lizards that meander through the MSP area to meet up for drinks and nibbles. Although I should really just get together with the other MSP area lizards for a start…

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fern01  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:29:55pm

re: #257 JordanRules

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Seems he wants to end the NRL - who would benefit from that?

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:30:25pm

re: #501 PhillyPretzel

And of course the plate is covered.

I think Molly, or wherever she got the plate, covered it. It’s done on the image.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:31:21pm

re: #507 Belafon

Yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:37:12pm

endorsement time!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:38:17pm

re: #509 Backwoods_Sleuth

endorsement time!

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Welp, those two guys are screwed.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:39:49pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:39:54pm

re: #509 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #510 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yes. They just got the kiss of death from DT.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:39:57pm

Feel like this should be on daily loop:

R.E.M. - Bad Day (Video)

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:42:55pm

My God.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:43:48pm

re: #509 Backwoods_Sleuth

endorsement time!

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You’re as stupid asshat who has the same stupid attacks on everyone who runs against your cult members.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:47:30pm

this is the guy who won the Democratic Primary to run against Massie in November:

He’s not Patti Piatt, but he’s more than OK.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:47:33pm

re: #514 MsJ

My God.

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What the hell is with these assholes?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:49:08pm

re: #517 HappyWarrior

They feel because they are men they have a right to do as they want with females.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:49:38pm

re: #514 MsJ

My God.

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I wish I was surprised by this but I am honestly not.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:53:22pm

re: #519 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish I was surprised by this but I am honestly not.

I’m going to be surprised by a Republican who isn’t a total douche.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:53:52pm

re: #518 PhillyPretzel

They feel because they are men they have a right to do as they want with females.

Yeah but to paraphrase Walter Sobchak, teenagers dude.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:54:59pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:57:46pm
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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:58:18pm

re: #514 MsJ

My God.

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You limousine yankee liberals just don’t understand that an under-aged girl having sex with a powerful older man here is one of the few ways of her getting ahead.

we clump that into the economic anxiety column, if asked.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 4:59:04pm

re: #522 Single-handed sailor

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I had one Trumper tell me that Germany shouldn’t be considered an ally because of WWII and then went on some bizarre rant about how Hitler was half-Jewish and that his father abandoned him. As someone who has read modern scholars and people who actually witnessed the rise of Nazism, Ian Kershaw and William Shirer, I was astounded by the ignorance by someone who professed to have written their thesis on this stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:01:16pm

It’s so funny seeing all these Southern good old boys embrace mother Russia. Guys who you know probably think Melania’s from a former Soviet Republic.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:01:38pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:03:45pm
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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:04:04pm

The GOP went so far right that it collapsed and was taken over by the teabaggers who had that taken away from them by the blatant racists, foreign entities and facists.

Laws were written to basically lock the US Govt. races into GOP vs. Dem.

Pretty easy. Destroy one party, take it over, you start with 40%, then lie.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:05:22pm

re: #449 Dr Lizardo

Anything that uses DeBussy as the soundtrack Is okay in my book.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:06:07pm

re: #529 b.d.

The GOP went so far right that it collapsed and was taken over by the teabaggers who had that taken away from them by the blatant racists, foreign entities and facists.

Laws were written to basically lock the US Govt. races into GOP vs. Dem.

Pretty easy. Destroy one party, take it over, you start with 40%, then lie.

I’m listening to a biography on Nixon now. Health care came up and a policy Nixon supported as a Congressman was to have the states help subsidize health care. It’s pretty amazing how even the biggest red baiting jackasses had hearts.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:08:09pm

re: #531 HappyWarrior

I’m listening to a biography on Nixon now. Health care came up and a policy Nixon supported as a Congressman was to have the states help subsidize health care. It’s pretty amazing how even the biggest red baiting jackasses had hearts.

Nixon started the EPA. Basic scientific facts weren’t necessarily heresy not too long ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:09:09pm

The problem is the GOP has gotten away with refusing to adapt to modernity. When the Dems got their asses kicked in the 80’s, they did adapt. The GOP however never really got a true asskicking that would have told them that their way wasn’t going to work. They were being beat but by enough where the nuts could argue “We lost because we weren’t conservative enough” and then Trump won which emboldened the nuts even further. The GOP post Trump is going ot be interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:10:10pm

re: #532 b.d.

Nixon started the EPA. Basic scientific facts weren’t necessarily heresy not too long ago.

Nixon signed Title IX too. IF Nixon wasn’t such a paranoid dick, he really could have gone down as one of the better ones. And even with his corrpution, I still prefer him to Reagan who was just as corrupt but who got away with his corruption because he was more likable than Nixon.

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fern01  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:12:32pm

re: #455 JordanRules

Wow.

[Embedded content]

Is this what people learn from trump - “I didn’t mean what I said”

Never in the history of the WH have there been so many, apologizing so much for telling the truth.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:13:27pm

re: #531 HappyWarrior

Wha’s the title of the biography, and by whom?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:13:57pm

The GOP is still blabbing about Reagan. I mean I get that. Because FDR loomed big over Dems for years but at some point, you gotta realize it’s a new era. The purer than thou left annoy me because they think we just need to do the New Deal all over again and it’s not that simple.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:14:02pm

The Trader Joes standoff looks crazy. Guy went in shooting. 4 hostages. 2 people hurt. They say the guy shot his grandmother before he got to TJ.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:14:33pm

re: #533 HappyWarrior

The problem is the GOP has gotten away with refusing to adapt to modernity. When the Dems got their asses kicked in the 80’s, they did adapt. The GOP however never really got a true asskicking that would have told them that their way wasn’t going to work. They were being beat but by enough where the nuts could argue “We lost because we weren’t conservative enough” and then Trump won which emboldened the nuts even further. The GOP post Trump is going ot be interesting.

The Dems hit the Clinton road block which stopped all bold progressive ideas being adopted by the party due to their dynasty plans, imho.

Obama did wonders but was totally hindered by trying to be strictly constitutional, bi-partisan and not accepted by the establishment Dems.

Ready and anxious for a new tact.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:15:28pm

re: #536 Ace Rothstein

Wha’s the title of the biography, and by whom?

Richard Nixon: The Life, John Farrell. Highly recommended. It’s fair. Doesn’t gloss over the fact that he distorted Voorhis and Douglas’s records (the man and woman he beat for the House and Senate respectively) but does show he was brave in WWII and not without humanity. I actually find Nixon tragic in many ways.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:16:38pm

re: #518 PhillyPretzel

They feel because they are men they have a right to do as they want with females KIDS.

Apparently so.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:16:52pm

re: #537 HappyWarrior

The GOP is still blabbing about Reagan. I mean I get that. Because FDR loomed big over Dems for years but at some point, you gotta realize it’s a new era. The purer than thou left annoy me because they think we just need to do the New Deal all over again and it’s not that simple.

FDR is on the dime, everything else is named after Reagan.

Nobody carries cash any more, let alone change. The Dems should announce their Reagan Tax Plan which rolls taxes back to the Reagan era. That should be good for a laugh.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:17:22pm

re: #539 b.d.

The Dems hit the Clinton road block which stopped all bold progressive ideas being adopted by the party due to their dynasty plans, imho.

Obama did wonders but was totally hindered by trying to be strictly constitutional, bi-partisan and not accepted by the establishment Dems.

Ready and anxious for a new tact.

We have a big decision where we go as a party in 2020. That decision will set the course for the Democratic Party of my middle age.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:19:06pm

re: #542 b.d.

FDR is on the dime, everything else is named after Reagan.

Nobody carries cash any more, let alone change. The Dems should announce their Reagan Tax Plan which rolls taxes back to the Reagan era. That should be good for a laugh.

I still hate that National Airport is named after him after how he scrwed the ATCs. I’m sure I mentioned this before but I briefly interned in the ATC office at Dulles. Never worked in the tower itself obviously but I did office work. Those men and women work their asses off. They’re why you breathe easily and just put your headphones on in the sky and the way Reagan just destroyed their livelihoods was a chickenshit move.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:19:53pm

Upstairs we go. I think some of us are going to get CLed.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:20:25pm

re: #539 b.d.

They were also both hindered by an electorate refusing to back the bold plans of either. They owned both the executive and legislative for two years and the Congress would be turned over to Republicans.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:40:10am

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