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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:20:46pm

Great…hostage situation going on at a Trader Joe’s that I go to sometimes in Silverlake…

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:22:26pm

With the chatter about Julian Asshat possibly getting the boot from his current safe space, what could be the repercussions of his “insurance” files being unlocked?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:24:14pm

Happy: According to the views of the right, Reagan did good by breaking that damned Ill-eagle government Union strike.

And, it’s still National. Refuse call it anything else.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:25:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:26:07pm

re: #3 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Happy: According to the views of the right, Reagan did good by breaking that damned Ill-eagle government Union strike.

And, it’s still National. Refuse call it anything else.

Yeah well those people are assholes and I refuse to call it Reagan too. It’s always National to me.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:31:27pm

re: #2 Teukka

With the chatter about Julian Asshat possibly getting the boot from his current safe space, what could be the repercussions of his “insurance” files being unlocked?

If Assange leaves the embassy he’ll get a nasty case of the Russian Flu and we’ll never here about his stuff anymore.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:33:23pm

And now President Asshole is tweeting about the hostage situation here in Los Angeles…

Can’t he just STFU?

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:33:33pm

Evening Lizards

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:34:23pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now President Asshole is tweeting about the hostage situation here in Los Angeles…

Can’t he just STFU?

Has he blamed MS-13 or estranged babies yet?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:35:34pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now President Asshole is tweeting about the hostage situation here in Los Angeles…

Can’t he just STFU?

Nope. He’s a narcissist. He has to insert himself into the center of every situation.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:40:53pm

Fascinating.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:41:31pm

re: #11 MsJ

Fascinating.

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In other words, Pai wants a bigger bribe to approve…

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:42:33pm

re: #11 MsJ

Fascinating.

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Sinclair Broadcasting is not in the public interest. How do we break that nut?

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Skip Intro  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:43:03pm

re: #11 MsJ

Fascinating.

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Somebody didn’t make enough “contributions”.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:43:40pm

re: #12 Joe Bacon 🌹

In other words, Pai wants a bigger bribe to approve…

Or more screen time in the next music video….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:43:43pm

Update on the hostage situation—man shot his grandmother and his girlfriend in a family dispute, took his grandmother’s car, crashed by the Trader Joe’s on Hyperion. He ran into the Trader Joes, looks like a couple people hurt. He shot his girlfriend…

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:44:51pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

Update on the hostage situation—man shot his grandmother and his girlfriend in a family dispute, took his grandmother’s car, crashed by the Trader Joe’s on Hyperion. He ran into the Trader Joes, looks like a couple people hurt. He shot his girlfriend…

Do we know what color the guy is so we can call it terrorism or not?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:47:43pm

re: #3 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Happy: According to the views of the right, Reagan did good by breaking that damned Ill-eagle government Union strike.

And, it’s still National. Refuse call it anything else.

It will always be National Airport to me.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:49:46pm

re: #10 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Bored Saturday Evening. Let’s see what I can break.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:50:17pm

re: #18 Patricia Kayden

It will always be National Airport to me.

As it should be. Fuck Reagan. And I saw today that Trump’s Pastor pal, Jeffress admited the religious right gave him a pass despite being a serial adulterer- his words not mine too. So religious right, you had no beef with Bill’s adultery. You just didn’t like the fact that he was a Dem. Good to know! Thanks for finaly being honest.

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Skip Intro  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:51:13pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

I hope the gun is ok.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:53:31pm

Back from canvassing in the Central Valley. It was hot (although it was fairly pleasant and breezy in the shade, if there’d been any shade), and the houses are far apart from one another, so we did more walking than canvassing. It’s an area that has consistently voted Democratic in presidential, gubernatorial and Senate races, but they just elected the Republican incumbent Congressman for the third time. It was hard to say what current attitudes might be, but the Democrats we talked to were pretty fired up.

On the way back, I watched the beautiful fog bank chilling my area, as the temperature dropped by 30 degrees. Home sweet home.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:55:44pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Yep. Read about Jeffress today. What a disgusting hypocrite. These are the same people who argue that baking a wedding cake for a gay couple is condoning sin. Yet they support a thrice married, lying, cursing, adulterer.
patheos.com

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:57:23pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

As it should be. Fuck Reagan. And I saw today that Trump’s Pastor pal, Jeffress admited the religious right gave him a pass despite being a serial adulterer- his words not mine too. So religious right, you had no beef with Bill’s adultery. You just didn’t like the fact that he was a Dem. Good to know! Thanks for finaly being honest.

Jeffress makes me miss Criswell.

//

Jeffress certainly has added many, many, many floors onto this house of cards he took over.

Any person with Trump’s record would not be allowed in that church, the congregation should and does know that.

Martin Luther nailed the reasons why Trump’s resume shouldn’t get him a pass on the cathedral door.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:57:33pm

re: #23 Patricia Kayden

Yep. Read about Jeffress today. What a disgusting hypocrite. These are the same people who argue that baking a wedding cake for a gay couple is condoning sin. Yet they support a thrice married, lying, cursing, adulterer.
patheos.com

A man who remarked about his newborn daughter’s breasts. I just love how Trumpers say “This is how men talk.” Uh no, maybe you jackasses talk that way but I’ve never seen any new born father wonder about what his daughter’s breasts will look like and I sure as hell have never seen any father talk about their daughter the way he does Ivanka. I mean yeah plenty of fathers say my daughter is beautiful, Trump talks about how hot he finds his daughter.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:58:57pm

re: #24 b.d.

Jeffress makes me miss Criswell.

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Jeffress certainly has added many, many, many floors onto this house of cards he took over.

Any person with Trump’s record would not be allowed in that church, the congregation should and does know that.

Martin Luther nailed the reasons why Trump’s resume shouldn’t get him a pass on the cathedral door.

Trump is an even bigger fraud when it comes to religion than Reagan was since I think Reagan at least understood religious language. But as I said to my grandmother this evening, all the Evangelicals care is getting the judges they want to overturn Roe, anti LGBT policies, and complete ass kissing of Israeli policy. They don’t care about immigrants, the poor, or anyone else.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:59:44pm

re: #11 MsJ

Fascinating.

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Hypothesis: Rupert Murdoch doesn’t want the competition for that audience sector.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 5:59:59pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

As it should be. Fuck Reagan. And I saw today that Trump’s Pastor pal, Jeffress admited the religious right gave him a pass despite being a serial adulterer- his words not mine too. So religious right, you had no beef with Bill’s adultery. You just didn’t like the fact that he was a Dem. Good to know! Thanks for finaly being honest.

An owner and his dog.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:02:46pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Trump is an even bigger fraud when it comes to religion than Reagan was since I think Reagan at least understood religious language. But as I said to my grandmother this evening, all the Evangelicals care is getting the judges they want to overturn Roe, anti LGBT policies, and complete ass kissing of Israeli policy. They don’t care about immigrants, the poor, or anyone else.

2 Corinthians?

Really?!?!? Like any other person not in the wingnut cult would be able to get away with that?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:02:59pm

re: #28 b.d.

An owner and his dog.

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Take these fucking Pulpit Pimps off of welfare. TAX THE CHURCHES!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:03:50pm

I’m really pleased with this new build system I set up on my Mac Pro, that automatically runs syntax checks and minifies/compiles/etc., then deploys the processed files to their final destination folders. Uses Facebook’s open source tool Watchman to watch a project directory for any changes to files, and runs a shell script when they do.

If there’s an error anywhere in the build process, it uses Applescript to pop up an error dialog, with the message from the command that failed, usually with a line number so I can jump right there and fix it. If everything’s good, I see a standard Apple notification at upper right, with a cheerful little Ping sound to let me know it’s built, deployed and ready to go.

And it’s all automatic. All I have to do is edit the files and save them. I may write a tech note about this - haven’t done one of those in a while.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:04:18pm

Of course they are…

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:04:42pm

I do not like posting my own tweets, but this is a work around on minimizing photos.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:06:34pm
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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:07:18pm

re: #32 Single-handed sailor

Of course they are…

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The only companies I have seen this administration’s concern about going out of business are China’s ZTE & Russia’s Rusal.

No American companies

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:08:50pm

re: #34 Dave In Austin

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Can we let Trump give the Russians a stake in the legal pot business so the nation can have a go at it?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:11:24pm

re: #29 b.d.

2 Corinthians?

Really?!?!? Like any other person not in the wingnut cult would be able to get away with that?

I heard that one of Trump’s Evangelical asskissers wrote a book called the Faith of Donald Trump and it just made me want to laugh because Trump by far is our least pious President since Taft. Nothing wrong with that IMO but goddamn how the Evangelicals and Trump himself go along with this bullshit that Trump is this man of faith makes me sick as a grandnephew of a priest. The Evangelicals have only themselves to blame to why people my age stay away from religion.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:13:55pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

I heard that one of Trump’s Evangelical asskissers wrote a book called the Faith of Donald Trump and it just made me want to laugh because Trump by far is our least pious President since Taft. Nothing wrong with that IMO but goddamn how the Evangelicals and Trump himself go along with this bullshit that Trump is this man of faith makes me sick as a grandnephew of a priest. The Evangelicals have only themselves to blame to why people my age stay away from religion.

Didn’t the Eastern Orthodox folks make all of the Czars saints? Parallel?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:14:08pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

BTW, I’m a brave new person. I picked him up & threw him into the grass.

Proud of my adaptation!

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jaunte  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:16:02pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

I see you have a palmetto bug security system.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:17:36pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

BTW, I’m a brave new person. I picked him up & threw him into the grass.

Proud of my adaptation!

Most of the wildlife you immediately run into here are slugs…so, no thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:18:54pm

re: #38 b.d.

Didn’t the Eastern Orthodox folks make all of the Czars saints? Parallel?

Not sure about all but the Romanovs were all canonized by the Russian Orthodox church.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:19:18pm

Shameless Page Promotion (tm):

Anymouse and Spouse Meet Cheechako Near His House (goes to the right hand column of Little Green Footballs)

A short summary of the first Alaska Little Green Footballs meetup.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:21:38pm

Just an FYI, Sedge Cutlery has a screaming sale on Prime right now. Each knife in the set has a corresponding coupon. This chefs knife is $80, and worth every penny. with the $30 coupon. $50.
67 layer carbon steel Damascus. I have the full set and they are a joy to work with. Shaving sharp out of the box.

amazon.com

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:26:27pm

re: #40 jaunte

I see you have a palmetto bug security system.

I should have left him there eh? I threw him 2’ away.

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jaunte  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:27:24pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

He’s probably just as effective ‘near’ the door.

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:29:35pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Not sure about all but the Romanovs were all canonized by the Russian Orthodox church.

I am sure that they were worthy, holy people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:33:15pm

re: #32 Single-handed sailor

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:36:51pm

Really interesting article.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:39:30pm

Great article from Slate.

Makes the case for denying the deniers.

How One of the Internet’s Biggest History Forums Deals With Holocaust Deniers

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:40:41pm

OK Hostage situation is over.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:40:56pm

re: #2 Teukka

With the chatter about Julian Asshat possibly getting the boot from his current safe space, what could be the repercussions of his “insurance” files being unlocked?

Anything that would assist the Russians or various terrorists has already been shared with them, so the “insurance” files are probably just embarrassing but otherwise insignificant kompromat. There may be cold war agent files on certain leftists but, again, these would be in active use if they existed.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:44:11pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Build and deployment automation has always fascinated me a little bit, ever since I started working in the space a few years ago. Especially seeing the struggles some of my co-workers went through with laborious manual deployments, Production servers that were not all configured the same (but were expected to behave the same nonetheless), and then comparing that to the push-button deploys and relative peace of mind that my automated processes brought. And now I’m repeating the same process with my current project.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:49:02pm
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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:51:48pm

re: #44 Dave In Austin

Just an FYI, Sedge Cutlery has a screaming sale on Prime right now. Each knife in the set has a corresponding coupon. This chefs knife is $80, and worth every penny. with the $30 coupon. $50.
67 layer carbon steel Damascus. I have the full set and they are a joy to work with. Shaving sharp out of the box.

amazon.com

Thank you!! I picked up two of them.

Man, those are beautiful knives.

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jaunte  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:58:57pm
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:59:06pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 6:59:10pm

Hostage update—Now one of the hostages was pronounced dead at the site…

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:01:45pm

re: #57 JordanRules

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that certainly looks like a photo of a man on the verge of a massive heart attack.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:04:01pm

Certain conspira-liars are no doubt puzzled and disappointed that the Russian government still officially accepts the reality of the Apollo Moon landings. What their trolls and agents are saying is another matter altogether but the official line, at least for now, is that the landings happened as claimed and documented. One far right Russian legislator did suggest that it was time for an investigation to “ask questions.” He was immediately shouted down by colleagues who are familiar with the subject.
A very knowledgeable poster on a restricted board I visit insists that Putin won’t go there because it would be the end of Russia’s own space program if he did. In particular, Russian space scientists have let it be known that they will resign, defect or effectively go on strike if any such lie becomes policy. This is not because they particularly love NASA, but because the hoax claim massively impugns the integrity and competence of the Russian program itself.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:06:12pm

re: #55 MsJ

Thank you!! I picked up two of them.

Man, those are beautiful knives.

I can’t caution you enough regarding the sharpness of those blades. They are “Jump at you sharp”. If you need to get them resharpened at any time, Ping me. I can bring them back to new.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:08:00pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Certain conspira-liars are no doubt puzzled and disappointed that the Russian government still officially accepts the reality of the Apollo Moon landings. What their trolls and agents are saying is another matter altogether but the official line, at least for now, is that the landings happened as claimed and documented. One far right Russian legislator did suggest that it was time for an investigation to “ask questions.” He was immediately shot down by colleagues who are familiar with the subject.
A very knowledgeable poster on a restricted board I visit insists that Putin won’t go there because it would be the end of Russia’s own space program if he did. In particular, Russian space scientists have let it be known that they will resign, defect or effectively go on strike if any such lie becomes policy. This is not because they particularly love NASA, but because the hoax claim massively impugns the integrity and competence of the Russian program itself.

We know that a portion of the Soviet space/nuclear program was based on information obtained from America (and I would not be surprised if some of what we achieved was based on stolen intelligence from them).

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:08:26pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

One of the key points in the defense of the Apollo program in the face of batshit crazy deniers is that, if it hadn’t happened, the Russians had their own space program that could very easily have proven that NASA was full of shit. The fact that they listened intently to the Apollo transmissions, measured their positions, and said nothing implies that they knew it was legit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:09:53pm

re: #62 Belafon

We know that a portion of the Soviet space/nuclear program was based on information obtained from America (and I would not be surprised if some of what we achieved was based on stolen intelligence from them).

Hell, the Soviets wouldn’t have been able to work with nitric acid (one of the primary liquid-fueled rocket oxidizers) if it hadn’t been for an unfortunate lapse in judgment of the intelligence community, leaving a critical development unclassified and, in fact, pushing it to be published at a convention.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:14:24pm
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can't think of a decent username  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:18:08pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oooo!

I don’t think I could get in on that, ‘cause I doubt my photography skills are good enough. Still, I’m registering, just for the chance… :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:21:22pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:22:35pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Poor little snowflakes. Do they need a safe space? Perhaps they should set up their own dating site. In the finest tradition of their cult worship of their President, they could call it Wankmaggots!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:23:20pm

re: #64 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Hell, the Soviets wouldn’t have been able to work with nitric acid (one of the primary liquid-fueled rocket oxidizers) if it hadn’t been for an unfortunate lapse in judgment of the intelligence community, leaving a critical development unclassified and, in fact, pushing it to be published at a convention.

Hypergolic propellants like nitric acid and aniline were one of the areas where American rocketeers were well ahead of the vaunted Germans before the end of World War II. Von Braun and the Paperclip gang got the lead role mainly because they had worked at a larger scale and seemed more likely to produce a vehicle that would meet the required task of lofting an atomic bomb over a useful distance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:23:35pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah well maybe don’t work to implement shitty policy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:25:41pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Hypergolic propellants like nitric acid and aniline were one of the areas where American rocketeers were well ahead of the vaunted Germans before the end of World War II. Von Braun and the Paperclip gang got the lead role mainly because they had worked at a larger scale and seemed more likely to produce a vehicle that would meet the required task of lofting an atomic bomb over a useful distance.

Yup. I have a PDF copy of an excellent book by liquid fuel researcher John D. Clark called Ignition! It details the history of liquid rocket fuel development from behind the scenes; it’s light-hearted, it’s enlightening, and it really shows that although the Americans were behind in the Space Race, they had several significant technological advantages in the fuel and engine design space.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:25:50pm

re: #57 JordanRules

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:27:38pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ugh. Pancreatic cancer can go fuck itself right out of existence. It claimed two of my grandparents, so to me, that one is personal.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:31:43pm

Hamill and the San Diego Comic Con people have been milking this gag for all it’s worth.

Yesterday, someone tweeted a photo of a brown robe in a metro car. and said Luke was heading to SDCC.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:32:40pm

re: #62 Belafon

We know that a portion of the Soviet space/nuclear program was based on information obtained from America (and I would not be surprised if some of what we achieved was based on stolen intelligence from them).

Not even intelligence. After the Sputnik launch some reporter asked the Soviet spokesman how many engines the launcher had. He answered (hope he didn’t get in trouble) correctly, by their definition: “Five”. (An American would of course say either 20 or 32—their “vernier” motors are awfully big not to count.)

“Five!” This started a panic. Our guys assumed a rocket that could have launched Sputnik III would have to have 1,000,000 lbs. of thrust—something of an overestimate. They immediately decided to leapfrog that with a million-pound single engine, that eventually became the 1,500,000-lb-thrust F-1 engine of the Saturn V. But if that misconception hadn’t jump-started its development in 1958, it wouldn’t have—in time, anyway.

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garzooma  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:32:41pm

re: #50 I Would Prefer Not To

Great article from Slate.

Makes the case for denying the deniers.

How One of the Internet’s Biggest History Forums Deals With Holocaust Deniers

I note this section:

We remove content that is racist, sexist, or anti-Semitic in nature and ban the offending users from commenting in our forum on a daily basis. While our rules are also designed to combat content like the denial of the genocides against American Indians, Armenians [emphasis added], and others, as well as talking points such as slavery revisionism, Nazi Germany and the Holocaust are two of the most popular subjects on our forum.

Reddit founder Alexis Ohanian no doubt insisted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:33:41pm

re: #58 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hostage update—Now one of the hostages was pronounced dead at the site…

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:34:40pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A very knowledgeable poster on a restricted board I visit insists that Putin won’t go there because it would be the end of Russia’s own space program if he did. In particular, Russian space scientists have let it be known that they will resign, defect or effectively go on strike if any such lie becomes policy. This is not because they particularly love NASA, but because the hoax claim massively impugns the integrity and competence of the Russian program itself.

Plus, they get a certain amount of respect for the fact that the only way any of our astronauts can get to the space station is if they give us a ride.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:37:11pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Taken into custody. That means the bastard was white.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:39:11pm

I am a big fan of SpaceX so I have been a little worried what would become of it now that Elon Musk appears to have fallen out of the tree and landed on his head. He has assembled a first rate team and it should continue to do well IF he has enough sense to step back and not interfere.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:39:49pm

re: #68 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Poor little snowflakes. Do they need a safe space? Perhaps they should set up their own dating site. In the finest tradition of their cult worship of their President, they could call it Wankmaggots!

They have one. It’s called trump (dot) dating — it’s a real site and I presume in the tradition of its namesake, is real grifty.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:40:25pm

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

They have one. It’s called trump (dot) dating — it’s a real site and I presume in the tradition of its namesake, is real grifty.

Ugh. Rule 34 rears its ugly head yet again.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:42:29pm

How New York City got its street grid(s).

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:42:53pm

re: #44 Dave In Austin

Just an FYI, Sedge Cutlery has a screaming sale on Prime right now. Each knife in the set has a corresponding coupon. This chefs knife is $80, and worth every penny. with the $30 coupon. $50.
67 layer carbon steel Damascus. I have the full set and they are a joy to work with. Shaving sharp out of the box.

amazon.com

I don’t need (want, always want) more knives. I am going to get in trouble and it’s all your fault.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:43:19pm

I’m going to take a nap … I’ll catch you all later.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:49:32pm

re: #83 wheat-dogg

How New York City got its street grid(s).

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b.d.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:51:19pm

re: #83 wheat-dogg

How New York City got its street grid(s).

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looks like they coulda used a good do over fire like chicago, london, san francisco.

oh well, maybe Putin has one coming for us.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:53:36pm

re: #87 b.d.

looks like they coulda used a good do over fire like chicago, london, san francisco.

oh well, maybe Putin has one coming for us.

Unfortunately, if Putin gives you a “do-over fire”, you’re going to wind up “doing over” in a completely new location. Maybe even on a different continent.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:56:26pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:58:02pm

re: #87 b.d.

looks like they coulda used a good do over fire like chicago, london, san francisco.

oh well, maybe Putin has one coming for us.

The London fire did not lead to a rational street grid, though. Too much tradition in the way.

That thread had some interesting historical tidbits about Manhattan that I never knew about till today, like the Hess Triangle, the intersection markers in Central Park, and the giant rocks still in place around 1903. My great-grandfather and his cousin had both moved to Manhattan from southern NJ by the 1850s, so they and my grandfather would have witnessed the evolution of the grid system.

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Kragar  Jul 21, 2018 • 7:58:04pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:07:04pm

good thread continues

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garzooma  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:10:31pm

re: #49 MsJ

Suggests a way to respond to the Russian attacks when as in if patriots are back in control: have our IC find out the sistema secrets and out them.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:19:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:21:03pm
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Jay C  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:21:16pm

re: #90 wheat-dogg

The London fire did not lead to a rational street grid, though. Too much tradition in the way.

That thread had some interesting historical tidbits about Manhattan that I never knew about till today, like the Hess Triangle, the intersection markers in Central Park, and the giant rocks still in place around 1903. My great-grandfather and his cousin had both moved to Manhattan from southern NJ by the 1850s, so they and my grandfather would have witnessed the evolution of the grid system.

Thanks for the link, w-d, fascinating stuff.

Actually, I think there were a couple of big, destructive fires in NYC in the early 19th C., but, like with London, once property lines were drawn, and streets laid out, it was too hard to rebuild without taking into account existing patterns, so “ improvements” had to be done in the newer, more-open areas

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:24:23pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:26:07pm

re: #71 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yup. I have a PDF copy of an excellent book by liquid fuel researcher John D. Clark called Ignition! It details the history of liquid rocket fuel development from behind the scenes; it’s light-hearted, it’s enlightening, and it really shows that although the Americans were behind in the Space Race, they had several significant technological advantages in the fuel and engine design space.

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:27:23pm

Just watched The Negotiator (1998) for the first time in well over a decade. Goddamn it. Kevin Spacey was such a great actor. Why’d he turn out to be such a fucking monster in real life?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:28:09pm
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Kragar  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:28:43pm
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VegasGolfer  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:29:48pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Ever seen Swimming With Sharks?
Another good Spacey movie.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:30:48pm

re: #101 Kragar

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One word, you crazy Faux News Bimbette: Birtherism.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:30:55pm
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:32:37pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:33:41pm

re: #96 Jay C

Thanks for the link, w-d, fascinating stuff.

Actually, I think there were a couple of big, destructive fires in NYC in the early 19th C., but, like with London, once property lines were drawn, and streets laid out, it was too hard to rebuild without taking into account existing patterns, so “ improvements” had to be done in the newer, more-open areas

New York used eminent domain to claim the Hess property after the owner refused to sell it to the city. The Hess Triangle is the teeny tiny part that was not part of the eminent domain seizure and the plaque there is a polite FU to the city from the Hess family.

I had forgotten that Broadway followed the old Native American trail, but I hadn’t known the 1811 plan originally intended to eliminate it. It was preserved in the end, and songwriters have been grateful ever since.

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sagehen  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:34:19pm

re: #101 Kragar

@JudgeJeanine: “The level of hatred toward the 45th president of the United States is beyond anything we’ve seen in American history.”

Really? Does that include the guy they hated so much that 11 states left the country entirely rather than have him as their president?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:35:45pm

re: #107 sagehen

Really? Does that include the guy they hated so much that 11 states left the country entirely rather than have him as their president?

BUTBUTBUT CALEXIT!!!!!

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mmmirele  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:36:22pm

Posting this, not only for the background on the Thagomizer but also for the many, many Far Side cartoons in the replies. I spent a happy 20 minutes going through them.

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Mattand  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:40:19pm

re: #90 wheat-dogg

My great-grandfather and his cousin had both moved to Manhattan from southern NJ by the 1850s, so they and my grandfather would have witnessed the evolution of the grid system.

Just out of curiosity: since its my lifelong stomping group, where in South Jersey were they from?

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:44:24pm

nothing but ‘fails’ all the way down…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:53:51pm

trump deleted the tweet about the Trader Joe situation

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:54:52pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

What, Republican staffers aren’t happy fucking the entire country? Some people are just so selfish.

Oh, and, 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

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Kragar  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:56:08pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

trump deleted the tweet about the Trader Joe situation

He lost interest when there was no way to spin it as MS-13

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:56:30pm

re: #105 JordanRules

I checked mine yesterday, and I’m good to go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:56:51pm

BRIDGEWATER, N.J. (AP) — A U.S. Air Force fighter jet intercepted a small general aviation aircraft flying near President Donald Trump’s private golf club Saturday.

The U.S. military is announcing that an F-16 jet intercepted a plane around 12:30 p.m. Saturday flying “without proper clearances or communications” in the temporary flight restriction zone around the president’s Bedminster, N.J. golf course, where he is spending the weekend.

Continental U.S. North American Aerospace Defense Command says the intercepted aircraft landed at an airport in Pittstown, N.J. without incident, where local law enforcement met the pilot.

Trump arrived in New Jersey Friday afternoon and is scheduled to depart for Washington Sunday. There was no immediate reaction from the White House, but Trump tweeted critically several times Saturday afternoon about special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 8:57:53pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:01:40pm

re: #110 Mattand

Just out of curiosity: since its my lifelong stomping group, where in South Jersey were they from?

Cape May and Atlantic counties — Cape May and Egg Harbor to be specific. My paternal line settled there before 1750.

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Funny thing is, I almost took a job after college in Atlantic City. That was before I knew my family had settled there in colonial times. So, I probably could have run into distant cousins without knowing who they were (unless they had the same surname).

One avenue of genealogical research still tantalizes me, though it is not directly related to me. My family name is not especially common and there are African-American families with the same surname. AFAIK none of my direct ancestors owned slaves, but at least one branch of the family did eventually end up in the South. My dad had an AA friend with the same family name, and the two often wondered how that all happened.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:03:55pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:04:24pm

This was the fire that burned yesterday just five or six miles from my house.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:04:31pm

Remember the story of the kid who was going to walk 20 miles to his first day on the job, well, it’s so much more than just about a walk, and it’s the America I want to protect: m.dailykos.com.

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Mattand  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:05:10pm

re: #118 wheat-dogg

Cape May and Atlantic counties — Cape May and Egg Harbor to be specific. My paternal line settled there before 1750.

[Another branch of the family founded the Wheaton Glass Company.]

Cool! Thanks. I have a cousin who lives in Egg Harbor. It’s still fairly rural. I can’t even imagine what is was like in the 18th/19th centuries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:08:00pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:16:28pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ya know, I’ll make an observation here. I think Rev. is a good man at heart and more so as he’s matured (we’re the same age). Him and Donny Deutsch, who I also think is a good guy, are personal friend of Cohen. And I think they have has their hand out thru the course id this thing. I for one am happy to see Michael letting this stuff go and doing the right thing.

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Interesting Times  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:19:17pm

Snerk:

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:20:14pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:23:16pm

re: #122 Mattand

Cool! Thanks. I have a cousin who lives in Egg Harbor. It’s still fairly rural. I can’t even imagine what is was like in the 18th/19th centuries.

Farmland. I think the only other “industries” were fishing and whaling. My earliest ancestors there were farmers, then carpenters and merchants. My gg-grandfather built several structures in Steelmanville, some of which are apparently still standing.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:28:31pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

trump deleted the tweet about the Trader Joe situation

Now you know the culprit is white.

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Mattand  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:29:03pm

re: #127 wheat-dogg

Farmland. I think the only other “industries” were fishing and whaling. My earliest ancestors there were farmers, then carpenters and merchants. My gg-grandfather built several structures in Steelmanville, some of which are apparently still standing.

Just looked up Steelmanville, as I’d never heard of it before. Never ceases to amaze me that as long as I’ve lived here, every year there’s at least two towns I learn about for the first time.

Fun fact: Egg Harbor has a neighborhood called Bargintown.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:33:08pm

Has anyone else noticed what I call “all noise, no speed” muscle cars? Saw one this afternoon, a late model Camaro. It was trundling along at the legal 15 mph but sounded like a vintage F-1 Ferrari doing 150 through a switch back. I’ve noticed quite a few of these lately. Guess it’s a comment on American culture, since we appear to be overrun with self-styled “badass” types who seem to be all ass and no bad.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:34:42pm
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Mattand  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:38:48pm

re: #118 wheat-dogg

re: #127 wheat-dogg

Dammit, I screwed up when replying to your first response. I wasn’t paying attention to the Private Comment button. Apologies about that. I hope I haven’t revealed something I shouldn’t.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:39:34pm

So sad.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:40:34pm

re: #129 Mattand

Just looked up Steelmanville, as I’d never heard of it before. Never ceases to amaze me that as long as I’ve lived here, every year there’s at least two towns I learn about for the first time.

Fun fact: Egg Harbor has a neighborhood called Bargintown.

Linwood is another town with a more recent family connection. The girl my granddad and his first wife adopted as an infant moved there when she was a teenager, got married and had kids. That was in the last century.

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KGxvi  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:43:13pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Has anyone else noticed what I call “all noise, no speed” muscle cars? Saw one this afternoon, a late model Camaro. It was trundling along at the legal 15 mph but sounded like a vintage F-1 Ferrari doing 150 through a switch back. I’ve noticed quite a few of these lately. Guess it’s a comment on American culture, since we appear to be overrun with self-styled “badass” types who seem to be all ass and no bad.

Worse, it was probably a V-6. ONe of the things I’ve always been impressed by with my Challenger is that even with a V-8 and a stick shift, it’s not terribly loud unless I really step on it. In which case, damn

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KGxvi  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:44:52pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Also, obligatory:

I Should’a Had A V-8

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:47:09pm

Just got back from riding my bike to the store. Two observations: The whole place smells like a campfire and you can see the air pollution (smoke) in the street lamps. *cough*

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:47:47pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Hot Rod Lincoln - Commander Cody (Studio)

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:47:51pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:49:01pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Has anyone else noticed what I call “all noise, no speed” muscle cars? Saw one this afternoon, a late model Camaro. It was trundling along at the legal 15 mph but sounded like a vintage F-1 Ferrari doing 150 through a switch back. I’ve noticed quite a few of these lately. Guess it’s a comment on American culture, since we appear to be overrun with self-styled “badass” types who seem to be all ass and no bad.

I think a lot of that is the result of after-market ‘mufflers’. I agree that it’s all ass and no bad.

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stpaulbear  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:52:55pm

re: #139 Dave In Austin

Quartz is also a source of politically correct kitchen surfaces.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:55:32pm

re: #141 stpaulbear

Quartz is also a source of politically correct kitchen surfaces.

Silly Kit……

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:56:34pm

This 1-2-3 punch is me in album form.

America is so dope!

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:58:27pm
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:58:57pm
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freetoken  Jul 21, 2018 • 9:59:08pm

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Yup. Someone who lives near me has a car like that. Looks like a muscle car of old, makes the thundering sound of a race car at 150mph… even while backing up in the driveway.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:00:09pm
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Mattand  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:00:17pm

re: #134 wheat-dogg

Linwood is another town with a more recent family connection. The girl my granddad and his first wife adopted as an infant moved there when she was a teenager, got married and had kids. That was in the last century.

From the Small World Department: my partner, who is from Texas and New Orleans, has ancestors who settled in North Jersey during the 18th century and worked their way south. At one point, one of them helped found Mt. Holly (the seat of Burlington County, for the non-Jerseyites out there).

I keep joking that she should go to their Town Hall and reclaim her share of the town.

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Mattand  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:02:25pm

re: #143 JordanRules

On Youtube, there’s a live version of Rhiannon from the TV show The Midnight Special (I think) that I’m obsessed with. From 1976 or 1977. Talk about a band firing on all cylinders.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:04:00pm

re: #149 Mattand

On Youtube, there’s a live version of Rhiannon from the TV show The Midnight Special (I think) that I’m obsessed with. From 1976 or 1977. Talk about a band firing on all cylinders.

I lurve all The Midnight Special footage!! Gotta look for that!

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:05:23pm

Thissity, this THIS!!

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Mattand  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:05:31pm

re: #150 JordanRules

I lurve all The Midnight Special footage!! Gotta look for that!

Enjoy!

Fleetwood Mac - Rhiannon (live)

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:09:38pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:10:13pm

Seriously though I really think they’re missing the obvious way to fix their problem.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:12:24pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:24:54pm

Of course it was Florida Man.
This case started in January

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:25:55pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:26:18pm

OH CRAP
Under 30 minutes by now

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:35:00pm

re: #83 wheat-dogg

How New York City got its street grid(s).

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Square and rectangular street grids have all sorts of drawbacks, like the tendency for wind tunnels and traffic infarcts to form…

I’ve been toying with a hexagonal city grid (it’s the only other shape than squares and rectangles that tiles). One of the interesting problems is that street names would have to go, instead one would have do name individual hexagons. But it would solve the wind tunnel and traffic infarcts. Navigation is a problem I’m still figuring out how to solve.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:36:21pm

He’s just talking about the Aaron Sorkin world he played and frolicked in. Not the real life world!!
//

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:40:57pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:41:11pm

re: #159 Teukka

Square and rectangular street grids have all sorts of drawbacks, like the tendency for wind tunnels and traffic infarcts to form…

Case in point: Chicago.

Manhattan can be pretty bad, too.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:43:48pm

re: #152 Mattand

Enjoy!

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Video

Yasss!! Soooo good!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:49:05pm

T - minus one minute
spacex.com

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:51:22pm
T - minus one minute
spacex.com

Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:51:48pm

re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

T - minus one minute
spacex.com

Max - Q
Vroom, no boom

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:55:29pm

It’s not your faauuulllttt!!

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:58:42pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:59:20pm

1st stage is on the boat, maybe

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teleskiguy  Jul 21, 2018 • 10:59:26pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:00:18pm

re: #169 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

1st stage is on the boat, maybe

Definitely on the boat, and standing upright

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Kragar  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:02:51pm

re: #167 JordanRules

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BigPapa  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:04:00pm

How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil

Good read on origins of liberal vilification and persecution complex that was part and parcel in the early days of Limbaugh. I still hear these foundation narratives today in the new wave of conservative intellectuals. It’s the same old shit.

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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:05:14pm

re: #172 Kragar

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Ha!!!!
I think David Dennison would be stalking her also, too.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:10:09pm

Australian businessman in a dying rural town conceives a plan to bring Rohingya Karen refugees to the town, hoping to revive it. It succeeds beyond all expectations.

He knew absolutely nothing about the Karen or Myanmar “apart from Aung San Suu Kyi and The King and I.” The next morning, he and Marg ­Googled Karen. Then they hatched a plan. Eight years later that plan has become one of the most successful rural refugee resettlement programs since the Snowy Hydro Scheme. There are now more than 180 Karen living in Nhill and working in 18 businesses — on wheat farms, in engineering workshops, in the hospital and schools. Karen kids, born in refugee camps, have gone off to university and returned to Nhill as professionals. At the nearby Australian Wildflowers farm they’ve provided the necessary workforce to allow the company to move into the export market. The Karen have sunk deep roots and 24 families have bought their own homes. In 2015, a Deloitte Access Economics study found the Karen had contributed $41.5 million to the local economy in the first five years they’d been in Nhill.

The article How Karen refugees saved the Victorian town of Nhill in The Australian is paywalled, but if you Google the title you can read the article.

Some more excerpts.

It’s now known as the Nhill Model and has become a template for rural revitalisation and ­refugee resettlement. Jack Archer, CEO of the Regional Australia Institute, says there’s a quiet revolution underway. Dozens of Tamil and Burmese refugees have moved to Biloela, Queensland, to fill vacancies at its meatworks and on farms. Hundreds of Afghan refugees have moved into the SA towns of Naracoorte and Bordertown to work in meatworks and on farms and vineyards, and some have started their own businesses. The Muslim refugees have been embraced, according to the local mayor, Erika Vickery — with almost a quarter of residents born overseas she says “we’ve become a United Nations in a generation”. More than 100 Filipinos have moved to Pyramid Hill in Victoria to work in a piggery and other businesses and now comprise 20 per cent of the town.

For many rural areas, just about the only ­people moving there are migrants. The Regional Australia Institute’s recent study, The Missing Workers, found that in 113 rural local government areas — which it called “heartland regions” — there had been a hollowing out of Australian-born residents. Old people were retiring to the coast and young adults were moving away for jobs. This was the scene in Nhill, too, before its residents shored up the foundations of this ageing bush town and injected hope. Success here has not been driven by government ministers or bureaucrats or economic theories. This is a story about love and respect. It’s about the people of a small town opening their hearts to an oppressed minority, and enriching the lives of all of them in the process.

If only we had an administration and a Congress who could realize refugees and immigrants are a solution and not a problem

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BigPapa  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:12:43pm
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JordanRules  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:18:11pm
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mmmirele  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:26:01pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

As part of their sentence for miscegenation, Richard and Mildred Loving were banned from being in Virginia (their home state) for *25* years. So yeah, you could be banned from going somewhere back in the day. As we know, the conviction was reversed in Loving v. Virginia (1967).

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:30:17pm

re: #178 mmmirele

As part of their sentence for miscegenation, Richard and Mildred Loving were banned from being in Virginia (their home state) for *25* years. So yeah, you could be banned from going somewhere back in the day. As we know, the conviction was reversed in Loving v. Virginia (1967).

Speaking of miscegenation, you know how the right wing sometimes uses the word “multiculturalism”? After WWII, nazis began using “culture” instead of race, so what they mean when they say multiculturalism is multiracialism. Or race-mixing. Or miscegenation.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:34:52pm

re: #179 Teukka

Speaking of miscegenation, you know how the right wing sometimes uses the word “multiculturalism”? After WWII, nazis began using “culture” instead of race, so what they mean when they say multiculturalism is multiracialism. Or race-mixing. Or miscegenation.

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Meant to write this in the above, but another expression coming to the front among righties is “cultural enrichment.”

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2018 • 11:56:11pm

Just found this movie. Watching it.

Nuremberg (2000)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:14:30am

re: #38 b.d.

Didn’t the Eastern Orthodox folks make all of the Czars saints? Parallel?

And threw a hissy fit about a historical film portraying Czar Nicholas’ dalliance with a ballet dancer…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:17:22am

re: #71 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yup. I have a PDF copy of an excellent book by liquid fuel researcher John D. Clark called Ignition! It details the history of liquid rocket fuel development from behind the scenes; it’s light-hearted, it’s enlightening, and it really shows that although the Americans were behind in the Space Race, they had several significant technological advantages in the fuel and engine design space.

I worked for a company founded by a NASA researcher who was allowed to keep the patent for a rocket cooling unit and apply it to filtration technology of all things.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:28:40am

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

I didn’t even know you could be banned from a state. Only Woolworth’s (and I am not sure if that’s all of them or just the one).

The Earl of Sunderland once banned my ex.father-in-law from his estates, which cover most of northern Scotland over a dispute concerning a hotel bill.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:33:21am

re: #139 Dave In Austin

know your fucking crystals

before I left Flagstaff, Arizona, in 1988, one of my esoteric buddies gave me a pouch of magic crystals. I still have it and take it with me wherever I go, just as a talisman and reminder of all my dear friends and good times I had there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:35:46am

re: #159 Teukka

Square and rectangular street grids have all sorts of drawbacks, like the tendency for wind tunnels and traffic infarcts to form…

I’ve been toying with a hexagonal city grid (it’s the only other shape than squares and rectangles that tiles). One of the interesting problems is that street names would have to go, instead one would have do name individual hexagons. But it would solve the wind tunnel and traffic infarcts. Navigation is a problem I’m still figuring out how to solve.

play a lot of Settlers of Catan?

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:40:47am
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JordanRules  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:44:15am
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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:46:11am
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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:47:20am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:49:01am

Der Spiegel writer advises the EU to forget the USA and go its own way.

Politicians are used to engaging in politics — either with or in opposition to other politicians. Traditionally, the foreign policy of one nation-state or alliance is confronted by the foreign policy of another nation-state or alliance. That’s the way it has been for hundreds of years. But that’s not the way it is at the moment. When Donald Trump is involved, politics is not confronting politics. Rather, politics is confronting the bizarre.

There is no precedent for such a situation in the history of the West. That fact is also contributing to the difficulties of practicing politics in this day and age. Politicians, after all, frequently look to the history books for examples to follow and traditions to pursue. But in the history of democracies, the chapter on the bizarre is rather thin. Someone like Trump is a totally new beast and requires a completely novel approach to politics.

That fact can no longer be in doubt following the U.S. president’s trip to Europe, including his stopovers in Brussels, London and Helsinki. It makes little sense to hope that Trump might improve. He is the way he is and politicians from other countries have to get used to it. They have to develop a specific strategy for the period during which this president is in office.

For the European Union, the appropriate strategy can be expressed in a single word: hibernation. But that isn’t quite as easy as it might sound. We’re not talking here about the long, restorative slumber of a bear in her cave. Hibernation in the Trump era requires a complex political concept that Brussels should pursue in lockstep with all member states to the degree possible. Should that happen, there is light at the end of the tunnel, and perhaps even before.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:52:48am

re: #191 wheat-dogg

Explosive narcissism and vulgar capitalism: It is impossible to engage in politics with this U.S. president. Europe should resist the temptation to fixate on Donald Trump and instead pursue its own goals. That’s the lesson of a deeply disorienting week.

Angela Merkel announced that in calm diplomatic terms as early as last spring. And she is not one to just utter something and then send her people scrambling to implement a solution, she obviously has plans and negotiations in place.

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unproven innocence  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:19:17am

re: #159 Teukka

Square and rectangular street grids have all sorts of drawbacks, like the tendency for wind tunnels and traffic infarcts to form…

I’ve been toying with a hexagonal city grid (it’s the only other shape than squares and rectangles that tiles). One of the interesting problems is that street names would have to go, instead one would have do name individual hexagons. But it would solve the wind tunnel and traffic infarcts. Navigation is a problem I’m still figuring out how to solve.

Nope. Attack on the pentagon results in discovery of new mathematical tile
Snippet: Five stars! The pentagon tiles are all identical. The colouring shows how they tile the plane when arranged in identical groups of three.
I admit it’s not a great pattern for streets, etc.

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Lupin  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:35:00am

FWIW the sense I get from insiders in France is that Macron once had hopes he could get Trump around, but that’s gone. Now they’re divided between “what the f*** do we do?” and “Trump, not the US, is the enemy.” One will lead to inaction, the other course possibly to some underhanded retaliation.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:38:38am

re: #193 unproven innocence

Nope. Attack on the pentagon results in discovery of new mathematical tile
Snippet: Five stars! The pentagon tiles are all identical. The colouring shows how they tile the plane when arranged in identical groups of three.
I admit it’s not a great pattern for streets, etc.

Teukka probably meant “regular polygons”, but I think he forgot equilateral triangles.

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:38:53am

re: #193 unproven innocence

Nope. Attack on the pentagon results in discovery of new mathematical tile
Snippet: Five stars! The pentagon tiles are all identical. The colouring shows how they tile the plane when arranged in identical groups of three.
I admit it’s not a great pattern for streets, etc.

Kewl :)
One of my arguments for the equal-sided hexagon grid is that the crossings are 3-way and are at a 120° angle, so a vehicle approaching it can see any issues on the two roads ahead and choose the less congested one.

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:40:01am

re: #195 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Teukka probably meant “regular polygons”, but I think he forgot equilateral triangles.

Could work too. Or a mix of hexagon and equilateral triangles (6 of them fit in a hexagon).

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:43:37am

re: #190 teleskiguy

Well, this doesn’t work. How about another song?

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:46:09am

Okay, so I am a Babylon 5 nerd, but I just came across this:

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:49:04am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 2:14:01am

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Angela Merkel announced that in calm diplomatic terms as early as last spring. And she is not one to just utter something and then send her people scrambling to implement a solution, she obviously has plans and negotiations in place.

Merkel was instrumental in getting China to allow the widow of Liu XiaoBo to emigrate to Germany. Merkel took the unusual step of mentioning Liu Xia’s case in a private meeting with President Xi, telling him she had a personal interest in seeing the woman be allowed to leave China.

scmp.com

The article says that the US also tried to get China to release Liu Xia from house arrest, but eventually stopped bringing the matter up. From then on, it was mostly Germany, with some help from other EU states, that kept the matter alive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 2:31:48am

re: #201 wheat-dogg

Merkel was instrumental in getting China to allow the widow of Liu XiaoBo to emigrate to Germany. Merkel took the unusual step of mentioning Liu Xia’s case in a private meeting with President Xi, telling him she had a personal interest in seeing the woman be allowed to leave China.

I still recall how China dangled the prospect of a major monorail deal in front of Germany’s nose, got them to build a test stretch between Shanghai and the airport and then cancelled the deal and built their own based on the model that Germany had so graciously provided…

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 2:42:49am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still recall how China dangled the prospect of a major monorail deal in front of Germany’s nose, then got them to build a test stretch between Shanghai and the airport and then cancelled the deal and built their own based on the German model they had so graciously provided…

Anyone who does business in China must agree to open offices in country and partner with a Chinese firm, who must have access to the outside firm’s intellectual property. China has done the same thing with scores of other foreign companies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 2:44:26am

re: #203 wheat-dogg

Anyone who does business in China must agree to open offices in country and partner with a Chinese firm, who must have access to the outside firm’s intellectual property. China has done the same thing with scores of other foreign companies.

The Germans really fell for the old “prospect of a long-term business relationship” ploy.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 3:00:10am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Germans really fell for the old “prospect of a long-term business relationship” ploy.

China has not yet adapted to the concepts of contractual obligations. Within China, business deals are closed on the basis of guanxi — personal connections and friendships — and not on promises committed to paper. For that reason, Chinese businesspeople consider arrangements with fellow Chinese far more important than those with foreigners, despite contractual agreements. And if you are a Chinese partner from a different hometown from the other partner(s), you are likely to be shafted as well.

I’ve heard of several Western entrepreneurs who have just given up doing business here, because potential Chinese partners never take them seriously.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 3:04:06am

re: #205 wheat-dogg

China has not yet adapted to the concepts of contractual obligations. Within China, business deals are closed on the basis of guanxi — personal connections and friendships — and not on promises committed to paper.

Donald Trump is living proof that even contractual arrangements with him are worth at best 30 cents on the dollar, often less than that.

My company gave up trying to do business in Russia beyond simple buying and selling for cash up front because there was no way to foresee or counter disruptions, cancellations or outright fraud.

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ericblair  Jul 22, 2018 • 3:25:56am

re: #205 wheat-dogg

China has not yet adapted to the concepts of contractual obligations. Within China, business deals are closed on the basis of guanxi — personal connections and friendships — and not on promises committed to paper. For that reason, Chinese businesspeople consider arrangements with fellow Chinese far more important than those with foreigners, despite contractual agreements.

Which could get interesting with the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. Enormous investment by Russia to get a pipeline to China, which needs new supplies of gas to replace coal but has alternate supplies (although less reliable I think) with Central Asian republics. Gazprom is making the same “think about the long term future” noises, but China doesn’t have to cooperate. If they want to blow up the Russian budget, the Chinese can wait until the pipeline is finished and whenever they want decide “eh, thanks but no thanks”.

I’m pretty convinced if there’s an outside power that cripples Russia, it’s not going to be the US or NATO or the EU: it’s going to be China. China is quietly taking control of key parts of Central Asia via the Belt and Road project, and Russia has been amazingly oblivious.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 3:32:46am

re: #207 ericblair

I’m pretty convinced if there’s an outside power that cripples Russia, it’s not going to be the US or NATO or the EU: it’s going to be China. China is quietly taking control of key parts of Central Asia via the Belt and Road project, and Russia has been amazingly oblivious.

China is the up-and-coming political and economic power in the world. Russia is small potatoes, with an economy the size of New York State and a population smaller than Bangladesh.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:00:25am

It’s awake.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:08:05am

Well off to work. Have a good day Lizards.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:18:57am

Looking more & more like the Trump Campaign for President was illegally being spied upon (surveillance) for the political gain of Crooked Hillary Clinton and the DNC. Ask her how that worked out - she did better with Crazy Bernie. Republicans must get tough now. An illegal Scam!

that can be the subject of a separate investigation…now let us look into the extent to which you and your organization are directly and financially involved with foreign governments and foreign investors…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:31:03am

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:41:30am

Jesus fucking Christ, Trump is going to war with the DOJ. So far all the FISA warrant application proves is that Nunes lied.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:41:46am

Damn it

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:43:38am

re: #214 Dave In Austin

Damn it

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Sweet Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

Insulin here is free with a doctor’s prescription if you’re a diabetic.

WTF America.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:49:56am

re: #207 ericblair

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

China has been a political power for far longer than Russia, and the Politburo members, while still quite wealthy, seem less inclined to rob the nation blind as Putin has Russia. China will manage to outmaneuver both Russia and Trumperica, because both have leaders looking out primarily for themselves and for their respective nations secondarily.

I have not yet finished reading this paper, but I’ll drop the link here. It’s pretty insightful.
merics.org

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The Major  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:51:42am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

Insulin here is free with a doctor’s prescription if you’re a diabetic.

WTF America.

IIRC Way back when insulin was derived from pigs until genetic engineering came along and basically led to all insulin makers to stop manufacturing the porcine-based insulin.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:52:20am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

Sweet Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

Insulin here is free with a doctor’s prescription if you’re a diabetic.

WTF America.

because anything else would be socilism

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:52:42am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

Sweet Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

Insulin here is free with a doctor’s prescription if you’re a diabetic.

WTF America.

My step-son’s wife is diabetic. Now that they’re married, she can get her insulin using his VA benefits. (They married last year.) It was a big relief economically for her, especially after Bevin nuked Kynect.

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fern01  Jul 22, 2018 • 4:58:35am

There has to be a war somewhere to get trump re-elected

abc.net.au
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has cautioned US President Donald Trump about pursuing hostile policies against Tehran …
Earlier in Washington, US officials familiar with the matter told Reuters that the Trump administration has launched an offensive of speeches and online communications meant to foment unrest and help pressure Iran to end its nuclear program and its support of militant groups.
Current and former US officials said the campaign paints Iranian leaders in a harsh light, at times using information that is exaggerated or contradicts other official pronouncements, including comments by previous administrations.
The White House declined comment on the campaign. The State Department also declined to comment on the campaign specifically, including on Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s role
A review of the State Department’s Farsi-language Twitter account and its ShareAmerica website — which describes itself as a platform to spark debate on democracy and other issues — shows a number of posts critical of Tehran over the last month.
Iran is the subject of four of the top five items on the website’s “Countering Violent Extremism” section.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:04:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:06:00am

re: #220 fern01

There has to be a war somewhere to get trump re-elected

abc.net.au
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has cautioned US President Donald Trump about pursuing hostile policies against Tehran …

Yes, at this point it is all but an inevitability

we are stuck with him until 2024

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:08:03am

re: #221 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A good maxim might be: don’t contribute to the discontinuous reality in which he dwells. Reframing it as “in public/in private” makes it sound like normal politics, in which there is always such a gap. This is different. This is, “Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.’

Except now we have always been at war with both Eastasia and Eurasia…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:08:41am

re: #221 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Because you wanted the easy way out. Headlines but not substance and then you lied.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:11:29am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:17:36am

In other words, SOP for North Korea.

I mean, really…..no one coulda seen that comin’, right?

*headdesk*

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:19:58am

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Has anyone else noticed what I call “all noise, no speed” muscle cars? Saw one this afternoon, a late model Camaro. It was trundling along at the legal 15 mph but sounded like a vintage F-1 Ferrari doing 150 through a switch back. I’ve noticed quite a few of these lately. Guess it’s a comment on American culture, since we appear to be overrun with self-styled “badass” types who seem to be all ass and no bad.

I remember reading an article about the re-introduced Mustangs about 10 years ago which said that the prototypes were relatively quiet. They purposely added growling that in no way corresponds to power for that very reason.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:23:05am

re: #227 Barefoot Grin

I remember reading an article about the re-introduced Mustangs about 10 years ago which said that the prototypes were relatively quiet. They purposely added growling that in no way corresponds to power for that very reason.

There is nothing like the power under the hood of a Mercedes. We used to have one and at first I repeatedly ground the starter because I could not tell that the engine was already running.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:23:40am

re: #225 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And on re-reading that tweet - yeah……how much money did North Korea get?

They had to have received something - because they want “more”.

I don’t recall Trump mentioning he’d given North Korean some $$$.

Funny, that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:24:27am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

And on re-reading that tweet - yeah……how much money did North Korea get?

They had to have received something - because they want “more”.

I don’t recall Trump mentioning he’d given North Korean some $$$.

Funny, that.

That is why he has private one-on-one talks. We need not know any more about his negotiations than we do about his tax returns.

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jeffreyw  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:27:29am

Imgur


Good morning!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:28:52am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:29:21am

Fucking hell.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:36:20am

re: #216 wheat-dogg

MERICS is also busy mapping China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which China describes as the new Silk Road. Really, it’s more a way for China to ensure its political and economic safety. Check out this map, which is too big to shrink to post here.

Image: MERICS_Silk_Road_v8.jpg

While the map looks rather ominous, some of the projects may never come about, as the host nations have learned not to trust China.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:39:49am

Meanwhile, on the Ukraine-Russia border …

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sagehen  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:46:59am

re: #232 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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As always, domestic violence is a big RED FLAG about who shouldn’t be allowed to have guns.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:51:00am

re: #236 sagehen

As always, domestic violence is a big RED FLAG about who shouldn’t be allowed to have guns.

I’d call it the biggest imo.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:56:54am

re: #235 wheat-dogg

Meanwhile, on the Ukraine-Russia border …

Russian Armed Forces concentrate tanks and artillery near the demarcation line in eastern Ukraine - official

That’s usually a prelude to an invasion.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 22, 2018 • 5:58:16am

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

Next thing you know, Trump will claim that Obama ordered the FBI to do opposition research on his campaign!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:06:49am

CL from last thread:
re: #500 Teukka

Whaaa? Is this shit for realz?

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I think there is a Hellfire missile that will home automatically on these.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:11:05am

re: #240 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trollers are going to troll.

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MsJ  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:12:11am

re: #173 BigPapa

How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil

Good read on origins of liberal vilification and persecution complex that was part and parcel in the early days of Limbaugh. I still hear these foundation narratives today in the new wave of conservative intellectuals. It’s the same old shit.

Great article. Thanks!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:16:01am

re: #242 MsJ

Great article. Thanks!

Yeah read this earlier. Great read. It also fits in perfectly with where I’m in the Nixon biography- Pre Vice President, the second Red Scare.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:19:18am

Europe according to Trump

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:33:02am

re: #244 wheat-dogg

Hmm. My only question is: Why do the Swiss have a number 2?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:35:02am

re: #245 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. My only question is: Why do the Swiss have a number 2?

That is the number of his bank account.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:36:07am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hmm. I thought that DT and his family use a German bank.

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fern01  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:36:48am

re: #226 Dr Lizardo

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In other words, SOP for North Korea.
I mean, really…..no one coulda seen that comin’, right?
*headdesk*

demanded more money

So how much did trump give them the first time around?

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ipsos  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:36:56am

re: #247 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. I thought that DT and his family use a German bank.

Vnesheconombank

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MsJ  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:37:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:37:58am

re: #247 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. I thought that DT and his family use a German bank.

and who do the germans use?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:40:59am

re: #248 fern01

So how much did trump give them the first time around?

That’s what I’d like to know.

Well, it’s a damn good thing there’s plenty of State Department officials on hand at these meeting so we know what’s going on.

Oh….what’s that you say?

Well, shit.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:43:37am

re: #247 PhillyPretzel

I remember reading either in The Wall Street Journal or in The Washington Post that the Trump family uses Deutsche Bank for their banking. That still leaves the puzzle of why Switzerland is given a “2.”

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fern01  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:44:37am

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

Fucking hell.

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100% the political media - just repeat trump lies

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fern01  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:45:11am

re: #235 wheat-dogg

Meanwhile, on the Ukraine-Russia border …

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Guess trump told them to be his guest and take over Ukraine

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:47:56am
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fern01  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:49:26am

re: #253 PhillyPretzel

I remember reading either in The Wall Street Journal or in The Washington Post that the Trump family uses Deutsche Bank for their banking. That still leaves the puzzle of why Switzerland is given a “2.”

Its the same color as Norway - “money hoarders” - I assumed money hoarders 2

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:50:15am

re: #256 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Cillizza is such a wanker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:52:07am

“Why did the Confederates lose the Battle of Gettysburg?” they once asked General Pickett.

“I think the Yankees had something to do with it,” her replied

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A Mom Anon  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:55:45am

re: #258 Ace Rothstein

This little shit wouldn’t have his job if we were a healthy nation. Yeah, it’s Hillary’s fault you morons are obsessed with hating her. Why not just come right out and say she asked for it for having the nerve to run, how dare she not know her place? I’d at least appreciate the honesty.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 22, 2018 • 6:56:41am
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freetoken  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:01:34am

Looks to be a hot day, though I may be just close enough to the ocean to be spared the worst temps. Problem will be that the humidity is higher than the very hot but very dry santa ana conditions of the fall.

So, hot and humid it will be.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:06:26am

re: #260 A Mom Anon

This little shit wouldn’t have his job if we were a healthy nation. Yeah, it’s Hillary’s fault you morons are obsessed with hating her. Why not just come right out and say she asked for it for having the nerve to run, how dare she not know her place? I’d at least appreciate the honesty.

There is no single factor that we can point to and say “that is why.” And yes, Hilary had some shortcomings and made some mistakes.

But she WON THE POPULAR VOTE by a large margin.

Unfortunately for her, our system is not directly dependent on the popular vote outcome.

And this obsession with Hillary nearly a year after the fact is also a sign of a sick fucking media and political landscape.

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Jay C  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:20:11am

re: #253 PhillyPretzel

I remember reading either in The Wall Street Journal or in The Washington Post that the Trump family uses Deutsche Bank for their banking. That still leaves the puzzle of why Switzerland is given a “2.”

Check the Legend out there in the Bay of Biscay:

2. Is “Rich people under siege”

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:23:51am

re: #264 Jay C

I did not notice that. Usually legends are at the bottom of graphs. Figures that DT and company would put it on the side.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:33:33am

“The dossier is proven to be a bunch of garbage.” - Sen. Graham.

Wrong.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:34:46am

re: #245 PhillyPretzel

Refer to the legend on the left side of France.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:36:49am

re: #265 PhillyPretzel

I did not notice that. Usually legends are at the bottom of graphs. Figures that DT and company would put it on the side.

I hope you realize is not an official White House document, however true to Trumpism it might be..

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:39:40am

re: #268 wheat-dogg

Yes I do. Whomever created it made it look very convincing.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:57:06am

re: #196 Teukka

Kewl :)
One of my arguments for the equal-sided hexagon grid is that the crossings are 3-way and are at a 120° angle, so a vehicle approaching it can see any issues on the two roads ahead and choose the less congested one.

Everything could be made a roundabout (traffic “circle”).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 7:57:44am

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:02:42am

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:04:06am

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

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MsJ  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:06:42am

This thread! Make sure to read the last story.

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MsJ  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:07:37am

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

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retired cynic  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:10:38am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

Sweet Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

Insulin here is free with a doctor’s prescription if you’re a diabetic.

WTF America.

The man I consider a son, and love dearly, is a serious diabetic with heart issues and a possibility of losing a foot. Insulin is a constant threat, as are his heart meds to keep his stents open. Issue is the medicaid system in Illinois, which, to save money, took on some really sub-standard carriers, and a lot of doctors won’t accept patients that have to use them. People get the card, and think they are safe, and then find out the insurance doesn’t cover squat and their doctors won’t take them anymore.

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:11:46am

re: #196 Teukka

Kewl :)
One of my arguments for the equal-sided hexagon grid is that the crossings are 3-way and are at a 120° angle, so a vehicle approaching it can see any issues on the two roads ahead and choose the less congested one.

Teukka! Four of those pentagon shapes that can tile the plane were discovered by a woman named Marjorie Rice, who was “just” a housewife in San Diego. (Seriously, her education was strictly high school.) And you can see a large example of one of her tiles in Stockholm at the Tekniska Museet.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:16:08am

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:21:18am

re: #276 retired cynic

One of the ironies in all this - at least for me - is that the ACA is very much like the health insurance system that exists here in Czech Republic, the only major difference being that there’s a public option for the truly indigent.

With the exception of the public option existing here, it’s basically identical.

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:27:06am

re: #262 freetoken

Looks to be a hot day, though I may be just close enough to the ocean to be spared the worst temps. Problem will be that the humidity is higher than the very hot but very dry santa ana conditions of the fall.

So, hot and humid it will be.

We are expecting 35°C (95°F)next week, as opposed to “only” 30°C (86°F) this week here in Sweden. Also, humid as fuck.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:27:37am

re: #280 Teukka

We are expecting 35°C (95°F)next week, as opposed to “only” 30°C (86°F) this week here in Sweden. Also, humid as fuck.

Yeah, for Sweden…….that’s roasting.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:29:57am

Tiger is about to be the sole leader after nine.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:30:55am

re: #256 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So where’s Chris’ article on this regarding Trump who you know attacked the ethno-national background of the judge judging his Trump university case.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:31:52am

re: #280 Teukka

We are expecting 35°C (95°F)next week, as opposed to “only” 30°C (86°F) this week here in Sweden. Also, humid as fuck.

Damn, I had no idea it could get that hot in Sweden. Pretty mild and wet day here. I wore pants yesterday and a button up shirt and didn’t feel hot at all. No climate change my ass.

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unproven innocence  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:35:02am

US considers tariffs on uranium imports
Only 5 percent of uranium used in US energy production comes from the US.

Megan Geuss - 7/22/2018, 11:00 AM

I’m at loss for words to express how fucking insane this is, but please note:
Only 5 percent of uranium used in US energy production comes from the US.

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:37:05am

I went out and played a gig with some friends yesterday afternoon at a local brewery, and it was gorgeous and clear when I got to the venue but it got steadily more cloudy as the day went on.

We played the last song and it began drizzling. I got loaded up and the wife and I stopped for dinner on the way home. Still drizzling at that point.

We got home and Scout was in need of going out. Just as I let him out the door, it started absolutely pouring. The poor dog hates rain, so he ran out, did his thing and ran straight back to the door. He was absolutely soaked.

So everyone dodged the rain drops yesterday except my poor dog. Today it’s partly sunny and humid af. I guess we’ll be getting more rain later.

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:39:04am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Damn, I had no idea it could get that hot in Sweden. Pretty mild and wet day here. I wore pants yesterday and a button up shirt and didn’t feel hot at all. No climate change my ass.

It didn’t use to get this hot. It’s we have an ongoing issue with forest fires.

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jeffreyw  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:43:41am

Imgur


Take turns! No fighting!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:52:14am

re: #287 Teukka

It didn’t use to get this hot. It’s we have an ongoing issue with forest fires.

Ah I see.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:52:49am

re: #105 JordanRules

That page is a chain of articles. The next one down is titled Sanders’ wing of the party terrifies moderate Dems. Here’s how they plan to stop it. When you read through it, though, you find out that “moderate Dems” are Third Way groups. I consider myself a moderate Dem, and I think the Third Way needs to get the boot.

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:54:21am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Ah I see.

It’s why we have an ongoing issue with forest fires.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:55:00am

re: #290 Belafon

That page is a chain of articles. The next one down is titled Sanders’ wing of the party terrifies moderate Dems. Here’s how they plan to stop it. When you read through it, though, you find out that “moderate Dems” are Third Way groups. I consider myself a moderate Dem, and I think the Third Way needs to get the boot.

This is the new GOP polemic: to convince people that the Democrats are all about extreme left socialism and that anybody who supports them wants open borders and guaranteed cushy government jobs and free stuff, all paid for by crippling deficits and punitive tax rates on hard working (white) people.

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Bass Reeves  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:57:01am

re: #292 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is the new GOP polemic: to convince people that the Democrats are all about extreme left socialism and that anybody who supports them wants open borders and guaranteed government jobs and free stuff, all paid for by punitive tax rates on hard working (white) people.

Eh, I mean….don’t we?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:57:15am

re: #290 Belafon

That page is a chain of articles. The next one down is titled Sanders’ wing of the party terrifies moderate Dems. Here’s how they plan to stop it. When you read through it, though, you find out that “moderate Dems” are Third Way groups. I consider myself a moderate Dem, and I think the Third Way needs to get the boot.

There needs to be a pardon the phrase third way between the moderate third way ab
Nd Bernie wing.

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JordanRules  Jul 22, 2018 • 8:59:56am

re: #290 Belafon

That page is a chain of articles. The next one down is titled Sanders’ wing of the party terrifies moderate Dems. Here’s how they plan to stop it. When you read through it, though, you find out that “moderate Dems” are Third Way groups. I consider myself a moderate Dem, and I think the Third Way needs to get the boot.

A lot of sites have their content like that now. I hate it.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:00:39am

re: #292 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Worked in 2006.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:00:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:01:44am

re: #296 Shropshire Slasher

Worked in 2006.

and will continue to work as long as people have a fear of socialism

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:04:33am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which they can’t even define properly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:04:52am
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Bass Reeves  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:05:57am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I find it an amazing coup for Bernie that people still think there is a Bernie wing. He’s endorsed what…2…people who have actually won elections in the past two years?

Oh and he’s still not a Democrat?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:07:24am

re: #299 Ace Rothstein

Which they can’t even define properly.

that is the wonder of it, it is an irrational fear that creeping socialism will erode the moral fabric of our nation and cause us to fall to a foreign power

that is so ingrained in our upbringing that it needs no rational explanation.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:08:30am

re: #301 Bass Reeves

I find it an amazing coup for Bernie that people still think there is a Bernie wing. He’s endorsed what…2…people who have actually won elections in the past two years?

Oh and he’s still not a Democrat?

I hear ya. A kingmaker he is not.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:09:27am

re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Interstate Highway System is socialism. Without it, the economy would tank.

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ericblair  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:09:42am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

Again the yam acts like he’s a bystander to his own government: if he wanted to declassify any of it, he could say the word. But he’s never, ever, taken responsibility for anything, and still at heart he’s the angry white guy yelling at the TV or the drunk at the bar telling everybody how he’d straighten it all out with absolutely no chance of anybody every listening.

Which means that the unitary theory of the executive, where the entire Executive Branch is an embodiment of the President, is a total non-starter for this administration. Trump doesn’t believe it, and the actual mechanism of Federal government certainly doesn’t. But we’re going to hear that it is from the right wingers on the Supreme Court because that helps them this minute.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:10:53am

re: #304 Ace Rothstein

The Interstate Highway System is socialism. Without it, the economy would tank.

that is a rational argument. the irrational fear is that socilism will cause us to lose all initiative to create wealth and jobs and turn into moral degenerates, ripe for invasion

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:12:17am

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Whenever capitalism fails, we rely on socialism to resuscitate it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:14:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:15:05am

re: #307 Ace Rothstein

Whenever capitalism fails, we rely on socialism to resuscitate it.

Of course. Because we are social beings who thrive and prosper collectively, not just a mass of individuals engaged in cutthroat competition for scarce resources.

But we have been sold on the ideal notion that we can all be Gentleman Farmers living on 40 acres that we carved out of the wilderness by the toil of our own brows and that no government should restrict our God-given freedoms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:17:15am
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:18:43am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:21:02am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t you love it when rich people tell you that you need to suffer a little financial pain?

Trump is already praising farmers for their Sacrifice to the Greater Good

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:23:01am
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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:24:40am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Socialism! The state helped him start a business.”

Some racist somewhere.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:26:17am

Meanwhile, Tony Perkins is spewing his usual toxic bullshit.

Evangelical Trump ally Tony Perkins has said it was a mistake to strike down sodomy laws that had criminalised homosexuality.

Perkins, who was recently appointed to serve as a United States Commissioner on International Religious Freedom by GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell, is the head of the anti-LGBT Family Research Council.

In a column on the FRC website on Thursday, Perkins lamented the signing of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, which was intended to end witch hunts against gay service personnel in the US armed forces, and the US Supreme Court’s 2003 ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, which struck down sodomy laws in fourteen states.

And of course…….

Perkins went on to suggest the LGBT rights movement will lead to paedophilia, claiming: “Once you’ve rejected basic biology and 2,000 years of civilization, there are no boundaries.”

Tony sure does think about gay sex and pedophilia a lot, doesn’t he? Maybe there’s something he’d like to get off his chest?

pinknews.co.uk

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:26:48am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:28:16am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone complained to the city of Minneapolis about 13-year-old Jaequan Faulkner’s hot dog stand.

Instead of shutting him down, the Health Department helped him meet its standards and pass health inspection, and inspectors paid for his food permit

LOL that’s the ultimate “fuck you” to whoever called the cops on that young man.

Good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:28:20am

re: #315 Dr Lizardo

2,000 years of civilization?

what a moron

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:28:46am

re: #290 Belafon

That page is a chain of articles. The next one down is titled Sanders’ wing of the party terrifies moderate Dems. Here’s how they plan to stop it. When you read through it, though, you find out that “moderate Dems” are Third Way groups. I consider myself a moderate Dem, and I think the Third Way needs to get the boot.

Sanders groupies don’t terrify me, but I do find them exhausting. And I’m still dumbstruck that a primary win with 14,000 votes in a blue NY district is supposed to be the harbinger of the entire future of the party. I wish Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez all the luck in the world, but I think she should concentrate on her own race and wait until she actually gets elected before she and Bernie try to reshape the party in their image.

It also cracks me up that the same Bernie who wrote off Southern primaries because those states didn’t matter and would never vote Democratic in the general
now spouts:

“I happen to believe, passionately, that there really is not a blue-state, red-state tradition in this country. I think there’s a lot of mythology attached to that,” Sanders said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:30:41am

O_o

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:30:57am

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

2,000 years of civilization?

what a moron

He probably really believes that there was no civilization prior to the birth of Jesus (realistically, whenever that was).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:33:32am

re: #321 Dr Lizardo

He probably really believes that there was no civilization prior to the birth of Jesus (realistically, whenever that was).

it’s the “right” sort of civilization, apparently

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:34:18am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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This is also what happens when you have a weak party apparatus (DNC receiving fewer donations than the RNC because Democrats are donating directly to candidates). Too many messages, sometimes contradictory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:35:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:37:06am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:39:12am

Not particularly germane to anything, but here’s some cool photos of Portland, OR in the early 20th century.

abakusplace.blogspot.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:42:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:44:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:45:12am

re: #314 Belafon

“Socialism! The state helped him start a business.”

Some racist somewhere.

“Did anybody come and help me when I was on food stamps?”

-some other asshole

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:49:35am

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The Latest on developments in Afghanistan (all times local):

8:15 p.m.

An Afghan interior ministry spokesman says that 14 people, including both civilians and military forces, have been killed in the suicide attack near Kabul’s airport shortly after the country’s controversial first vice president landed on his return from abroad.

Spokesman Najib Danish added that 50 other people were wounded in the attack.

The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the attack through its Aamaq News Agency.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani strongly condemned the attack in a statement released by the presidential palace.

snip

Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum and members of his entourage were unharmed in the explosion on Sunday, which took place as his convoy had already left the airport.

The Interior Ministry’s spokesman, Najib Danish, says the explosion took place outside of the airport. It was unclear what had caused it.

Danish says that Dostum was likely the target of the attack.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:52:39am
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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:52:42am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

“So, Mr. Kavanaugh, the constitution says the president can be held accountable is by voters voting him out and Congress deciding that he’s committed high crimes and misdemeanors. How do you expect either of these to function properly if no investigations can occur?”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:52:45am

re: #317 Dr Lizardo

LOL that’s the ultimate “fuck you” to whoever called the cops on that young man.

Good.

Hey, everyone, I’m thrilled that the kid got the help he needed to bring his stand up to code, but we require food vendors to get permits for good reasons.

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Bass Reeves  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:53:32am

re: #323 Belafon

This is also what happens when you have a weak party apparatus (DNC receiving fewer donations than the RNC because Democrats are donating directly to candidates). Too many messages, sometimes contradictory.

It’s not exactly a “weak” party apparatus, it’s a party apparatus under actual sabotage. Dems score own goals, true. Repubs nominate Nazis. Instead of banding together to fight Nazis, we tone police and pitch fits. We let outside agents ratfuck our party apparatus in the appearance of fairness, because Dems have to be fair, or else we can’t convince people to fight Nazis. In the face of the rapid dissolution of the Republic, we’re still allowing the Nazis to frame the debate. We talk about how nobody in the Dem side is fighting hard, and don’t signal boost those who are. We allow our people with seniority in Congress to get primaried because we don’t have a fucking clue why seniority is so critical. We allow our firebrands to get pushed out, and then complain we don’t have firebrands.

The DNC party apparatus isn’t the problem, and really has never been the problem. It’s a significant portion of the left that’s the problem, that can’t get out of their own way to make a few key steps to win now, and make actual change from a position of power, but would rather drag down the DNC for issues they literally don’t have the ability to change.

There should be one message: Get rid of Republicans at every level. But the DNC can’t do that, because the left would much rather tone police the left than deal with the substantive differences between the DNC and the RNC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:55:49am
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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:56:15am

re: #333 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hey, everyone, I’m thrilled that the kid got the help he needed to bring his stand up to code, but we require food vendors to get permits for good reasons.

It depends on where it is, but the table at my son’s school fundraiser didn’t need to get a permit. I doubt this kid was thinking “How big do I need to get before Weinersnitzel wants to buy me out?”

Edit: But now it’s a legitimate business.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 9:57:43am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republicans.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:00:21am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I understand why we use the “and they are Republicans” as part of some arguments, but I agree with Susan Hennessy here:

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:00:54am

re: #336 Belafon

It depends on where it is, but the table at my son’s school fundraiser didn’t need to get a permit. I doubt this kid was thinking “How big do I need to get before Weinersnitzel wants to buy me out?”

Did they prepare food, or sell stuff that was prepackaged or didn’t need to be prepared? That’s usually the most important criterion distinguishing “needs permit” from the rest. Also, the Health Department might wink at a one-time table where it couldn’t ignore an ongoing business

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:02:40am

re: #338 Barefoot Grin

I understand why we use the “and they are Republicans” as part of some arguments, but I agree with Susan Hennessy here:

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“This shouldn’t matter, but in fact the people who approved this were Republicans.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:02:42am

womp womp

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:03:38am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

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womp womp

I can see bots from my house!

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:05:07am

re: #338 Barefoot Grin

I understand why we use the “and they are Republicans” as part of some arguments, but I agree with Susan Hennessy here:

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I think the “and they are Republicans” is partly as a counter to his never-ending “13 Angry Democrats” screed.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:05:52am

re: #340 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

“This shouldn’t matter, but in fact the people who approved this were Republicans.”

Perfect!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:08:48am
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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:09:50am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

The thread is full of awesome:

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:10:15am

So glad we now know the opinion of just about every fucking Trump-loving resident of Luverne, Ala. (population 2,700) regarding that thing in office.

Come on WaPo—enough already. (Not linking—it’s at the top of their page and it’s pathetic.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:12:43am

re: #347 BeachDem

So glad we now know the opinion of just about every fucking Trump-loving resident of Luverne, Ala. (population 2,700) regarding that thing in office.

Come on WaPo—enough already. (Not linking—it’s at the top of their page and it’s pathetic.)

How many more of these do we need?

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:13:09am

re: #347 BeachDem

A town that will vote 95% Republican no matter what.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:15:03am

re: #349 Ace Rothstein

A town that will vote 95% Republican no mater what.

Yeah but Trump really spoke to them.// They may still be doing shitty but it’s not Trump’s fault.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:18:06am

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:18:52am

I like Oscenio-Cortez but I really wish she’d focus more time on her own district or else she’s going to make a lot of the same mistakes her opponent did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:20:23am

re: #332 Belafon

“So, Mr. Kavanaugh, the constitution says the president can be held accountable is by voters voting him out and Congress deciding that he’s committed high crimes and misdemeanors. How do you expect either of these to function properly if no investigations can occur?”

The point is that the results of these investigations can only be acted upon by Congress and not the courts. Or is that too restrictive for your view of the powers of the Presidency?

Extra bonus question: Would you have supported a similar point of view under Obama?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:20:33am

re: #349 Ace Rothstein

A town that will vote 95% Republican no mater what.

If the ghost of Joseph Stalin himself ran as Republican, they’d still vote for him.

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:20:35am

re: #333 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hey, everyone, I’m thrilled that the kid got the help he needed to bring his stand up to code, but we require food vendors to get permits for good reasons.

Not only that—why should a kid have to raise money to buy school uniforms? *blinks* If the school requires uniforms, they should be provided. Kids shouldn’t have to scratch around to find the money for uniforms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:21:19am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s the ONE thing you would choose [to rid the world of in 2018]?

“One word, young man: Plastics!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:21:35am

That Trump tweet…Deparment of “Justice”.

Gee, you think Sessions is in the shithouse right now?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:22:27am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

I like Oscenio-Cortez but I really wish she’d focus more time on her own district or else she’s going to make a lot of the same mistakes her opponent did.

I truly hope to be wrong. Her trajectory looks way too fast too soon, crash imminent to me.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:22:32am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

FOX News

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:23:45am

Dory wore herself out Terriorizing all the things.

She play-barked fearlessly at Rango, bounding up to him. Then he play-bounded back and she ran yelping to the safety of her hidey hole under the end table. Must be like being chased by an elephant.

Last night when she got too noisy in her crate, whining and yifing, Rango gave a quick “Shut up, kid!” growl that worked a treat! It’s good to have someone who speaks fluent Dog.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:24:06am

re: #358 Unshaken Defiance

I truly hope to be wrong. Her trajectory looks way too fast too soon, crash imminent to me.

She’ll get elected. Then she’ll get to Congress and find out that she’s a freshman, and will be one of many, and it looks like, one of many women.

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:24:11am

Look at him. Putin put The Big Fear into him in that meeting.

Big Tough Guy, my ass. He’s a whipped puppy in that photo.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:25:51am

re: #338 Barefoot Grin

Andrew McCarthy - “I said this could never happen. This is so bad that they should be looking at the judges who signed off on this…”

we have a system in place to prevent abuse, not to prevent prosecution

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:27:59am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:28:15am

re: #358 Unshaken Defiance

I truly hope to be wrong. Her trajectory looks way too fast too soon, crash imminent to me.

I hear ya. She’s made a lot of mistakes since being nominated imo.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:29:32am

For a rich, bloviating asshole Trump doesn’t seem to have a lot of self confidence.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:29:36am

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah this is what I don’t get about her.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:29:52am

re: #362 makeitstop

Look at Trump’s posture in that photo: It’s the posture of a defeated man.

I’d really like to know what they talked about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:30:26am

re: #368 Dr Lizardo

Look at Trump’s posture in that photo: It’s the posture of a defeated man.

I’d really like to know what they talked about.

He had just been reminded of what was expected of him if he wanted to remain in power.

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:30:39am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

I hear ya. She’s made a lot of mistakes since being nominated imo.

Hoarse nails it.

It’s too bad she’s getting so close to Bernie so early in her run. It’s going to do her real damage down the line.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:30:57am

re: #362 makeitstop

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Look at him. Putin put The Big Fear into him in that meeting.

Big Tough Guy, my ass. He’s a whipped puppy in that photo.

Give him a break, he’s using all of his concentration to overcome his fear of stairs as he mounts that tremendous platform.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:30:57am

re: #361 Belafon

She’ll get elected. Then she’ll get to Congress and find out that she’s a freshman, and will be one of many, and it looks like, one of many women.

She’ll likely be a freshman aside my possible future Rep who I think quite frankly will be more effective. I do like her but she’s got a lot to learn.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:30:57am

dailykos.com

(The diary)

I just read another writers story about dealing with a Trump supporting cashier. It made me want to share something I have been doing, with very positive results.

I am a white male, 62 years old. Living in Central Florida. We have a mix of brown , white and black skinned people in my area.

When I am standing in a cashier lane, and I find that a dark skinned person is behind me in line, I offer for them to go ahead of me in line. When they ask why, I tell them in a loud enough voice to be heard in the surrounding area ” Ever since Trump the world has become meaner and more hostile towards dark skinned people. I am letting you go ahead of me as a form of apology from a white person who does not feel that way .”

If there are any MAGA hats nearby I am sure to look them in the eyes as I speak. Invariably they look away or at the floor , hopefully in guilt.

After the recipient moves ahead of me, I ask them to do one thing in return. VOTE !! They inevitably say they will. I give them a business card I have printed with my contact information in case they need help finding out how to get registered , when and where to vote, etc.

I am batting 100 percent with acceptance of my offer to move ahead in line. I have ended up having some wonderful conversations and meeting some incredible new friends. And I hope at least some of them who would not have voted will become active voters.

We are all in this together.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:32:53am

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:33:07am

re: #370 makeitstop

Hoarse nails it.

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It’s too bad she’s getting so close to Bernie so early in her run. It’s going to do her real damage down the line.

Needs to ditch grandpa there and embrace the younger less burdened voices of the left. Not talking centrist here, just a safe distance short of bernie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:33:24am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:33:32am

re: #370 makeitstop

Hoarse nails it.

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It’s too bad she’s getting so close to Bernie so early in her run. It’s going to do her real damage down the line.

I’d love to ask her why she’s so attached to s man whose immigration record Steve King praised against some of his fellow Republicans. I really wish the Clinton campaign pounced on that. Someone will this time and a lot of Sanders Bros and Sisters are going to find out the hard way Bernie’s indifferent even scapegoating past towards immigrants.

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:33:35am

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He had just been reminded of what was expected of him if he wanted to remain in power.

Probably with subtle threats to both him and his favorite child if he doesn’t comply. The two things that matter most to him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:34:46am

re: #375 Unshaken Defiance

Needs to ditch grandpa there and embrace the younger less burdened voices of the left. Not talking centrist here, just a safe distance short of bernie.

Right there are other lefties with a future. Bernie is the past.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:35:26am

re: #374 Dr Lizardo

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Shatner Comma should be, “You know, BobSueandGreg? They came, tomyhouse.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:36:03am

I don’t think Alexandria is dumb or stupid but I think she overestimates Sanders’ star power and should realize he’s not helpful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:36:07am
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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:37:49am

re: #358 Unshaken Defiance

I truly hope to be wrong. Her trajectory looks way too fast too soon, crash imminent to me.

That’s my thinking. She is being rushed by the Berners and our media into star status and hasn’t done a dang thing yet.

First bad thing that happens and they will abandon her as quickly.

Bernie is a user. One of the worst I’ve seen. He really needs to be shut down and up.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:40:42am

re: #383 ObserverArt

That’s my thinking. She is being rushed by the Berners and our media into star status and hasn’t done a dang thing yet.

First bad thing that happens and they will abandon her as quickly.

Bernie is a user. One of the worst I’ve seen. He really needs to be shut down and up.

Right, she won a low turnout primary and she thinks this is the birth of a Dem socialist turn in the Dem electorate. I just think that’s naive and I’m not even sold on Dem socialien. I want practical solutions. Some socialistic, some capitalistic, some both but all with the people’s interests in mind rather than ideological.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:41:25am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Right there are other lefties with a future. Bernie is the past.

Lest anyone think us ageist, “Uncle Joe” Biden has a mindset we can admire, I’m talking old and grandpa attitude wise. :-)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:43:13am

re: #385 Unshaken Defiance

Lest anyone think us ageist, “Uncle Joe” Biden has a mindset we can admire, I’m talking old and grandpa attitude wise. :-)

Biden is also more accomplished than Bernie. Bernie’s been around since 1990. No signature legislation. At least he unlike Ryan doesn’t fancy himself a policy wonk.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:43:47am

re: #370 makeitstop

Hoarse nails it.

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It’s too bad she’s getting so close to Bernie so early in her run. It’s going to do her real damage down the line.

It’s doing damage to her now.

People are going to get sick of her at this rate. I think that is happening already.

Let her learn before you let her Bern.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:44:54am

Reading Richard Evans’ The Coming of the Third Reich might not seem like a good exercise in self-care these days, but i really needed the background info. Today, this passage on p. 376 stood out:

“The Nazis moved with the approval of conservatives and Catholics alike to destroy every branch of Weimar Germany’s lively and intricately connected conjurers of pressure groups for sexual freedom, the reform of the abortion law, the decriminalization of homosexuality, the public dispensing of contraceptive advice and anything else that they thought was contributing to the continued decline of the German birth rate.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:46:09am

re: #388 Barefoot Grin

Reading Richard Evans’ The Coming of the Third Reich might not seem like a good exercise in self-care these days, but i really needed the background info. Today, this passage on p. 376 stood out:

“The Nazis moved with the approval of conservatives and Catholics alike to destroy every branch of Weimar Germany’s lively and intricately connected conjurers of pressure groups for sexual freedom, the reform of the abortion law, the decriminalization of homosexuality, the public dispensing of contraceptive advice and anything else that they thought was contributing to the continued decline of the German birth rate.”

Yeah but weren’t they liberals? The doughy pant load told me so.//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:46:44am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

Okay, not going to lie. I read that as “Tony Soprano” at first and was like “Huh???”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:47:37am

this thread about Lewis Arthur…yikes!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:48:35am

re: #390 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, not going to lie. I read that as “Tony Soprano” at first and was like “Huh???”.

He even kinda looked like him. That’s too young. Condolences to his family.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:48:47am

re: #388 Barefoot Grin

Reading Richard Evans’ The Coming of the Third Reich might not seem like a good exercise in self-care these days, but i really needed the background info. Today, this passage on p. 376 stood out:

“The Nazis moved with the approval of conservatives and Catholics alike to destroy every branch of Weimar Germany’s lively and intricately connected conjurers of pressure groups for sexual freedom, the reform of the abortion law, the decriminalization of homosexuality, the public dispensing of contraceptive advice and anything else that they thought was contributing to the continued decline of the German birth rate.”

and you see, it had little to do with “family values” in the moral-religious sense, it was just about racial hygiene and guaranteeing enough bodies to fill out the ranks of the army and populate the newly- won Lebensraum

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:48:57am

Re: Bernie / Cortez

Cortez is young. She’s got plenty of time to make mistakes and learn from them. Experience is often the best teacher.

Going over the cliff after hitching her wagon to Bernie will serve as a stark reminder of what NOT to do next time around.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:51:14am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

He even kinda looked like him. That’s too young. Condolences to his family.

Wow, he really did. Reports say he died “unexpectedly” which I am guessing means a heart attack or some kind of accident most likely.

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:52:53am

This amuses the heck out of me. West Wendover, NV is 125 miles from the Utah state capitol in Salt Lake City.

WEST WENDOVER, Nevada — The city is selling about 10 acres of land for a marijuana cultivation site.

At a meeting earlier this month, the city approved the sale of land to a company called BRLS NV Properties V, LLC., (also known as “Harvest of Nevada”) for the purpose of building a cultivation facility. A sale contract approved in June said West Wendover would be selling the land in an industrial park for $718,740.

The site would be for growing marijuana that would be shipped to dispensaries across Nevada, Mayor Daniel Corona told FOX 13. Another company, Deep Roots Harvest, is also moving into town to set up a dispensary for medical cannabis. Currently, West Wendover does not allow recreational marijuana sales despite Nevada voters approving it in 2016.

fox13now.com

When I lived in Utah in the 1990s, all the sins were spread around just outside the state line. Want to play Powerball? Drive over to Franklin, ID. Play the ponies? Wyoming. Buy a beer keg? Also Wyoming, but don’t drive straight back or the state police will get you. Gambling? West Wendover and Mesquite, NV. On a more serious note, if women needed an abortion and didn’t want to go through (what was then) a hassle, Grand Junction, CO, was the place to go.

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Bass Reeves  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:53:24am

re: #394 Eclectic Cyborg

She hasn’t won a general yet, so if she burns her brand, what happens to that seat?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:54:29am

re: #395 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, he really did. Reports say he died “unexpectedly” which I am guessing means a heart attack or some kind of accident most likely.

Yeah I was thinking heart attack. Good reminder for me to keep on working out. I started out the month 247, 240 now. Want to get in 225 and out of clinical obesity by the break of winter and not overweight by next summer. So far so good.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:55:34am

re: #397 Bass Reeves

She hasn’t won a general yet, so if she burns her brand, what happens to that seat?

I think she’ll win her election but she’s making herself vulnerable by just treating it as won and going to the Midwest with Bernie.

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:56:36am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread about Lewis Arthur…yikes!

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There’s a Facebook page where people are keeping track of Screwy Louie.

facebook.com
VOP Alpha Co - Team Pulaski 2.0 The Truth Revealed

Also, Tim Steller in the Arizona Daily Star has a lot to say (it’s a good recap of the crazy), and ends up with this:

Despite all the chaos caused by Arthur and his followers, the authorities have been reticent to act against him or take a comprehensive approach to his misdeeds. That’s in part because people or businesses have been intimidated by him. Cemex has not requested that Arthur be removed from the property where he has been trespassing for the last week. HMS Fasteners did not even respond to my repeated efforts to ask why they are allowing the Bravo Base camp to remain on the company’s property.

Everybody, it seems, is either afraid of Arthur and his followers or worried that any attempt to arrest him will turn into a standoff with violent potential. It’s true that as long as Arthur is holed up in the tower, he’s in a cell of his own making. But he’s continuing to tell a global audience of thousands that specific local people, ranchers and companies are pedophiles or child sex traffickers, or are protecting them. And he whips up an online mob daily.

Ignoring Arthur, tolerating him and waiting him out lets him and his followers continue to hurt and intimidate innocent people who deserve protection.

tucson.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:57:00am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread about Lewis Arthur…yikes!

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These people - and I see quite a few of them are QAnon Qultists - are whipping themselves into a frenzy.

It’s only a matter of time before they blow up - they’re a ticking time bomb, a powder keg searching for a spark.

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:58:48am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

I think she’ll win her election but she’s making herself vulnerable by just treating it as won and going to the Midwest with Bernie.

Why is she campaigning in the Midwest? She should be campaigning in the South and lending support to our candidates of color. Oh, wait, Bernie really doesn’t do that. (Sorry, not sorry if I offended anyone.)

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:59:05am

And it’s official: July in Stockholm will be the hottest in 262 years.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 22, 2018 • 10:59:15am

re: #397 Bass Reeves

She hasn’t won a general yet, so if she burns her brand, what happens to that seat?

Well. She did say she wanted to turn the seat red. I bet they’ll be successful too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:02:01am

re: #402 mmmirele

Why is she campaigning in the Midwest? She should be campaigning in the South and lending support to our candidates of color. Oh, wait, Bernie really doesn’t do that. (Sorry, not sorry if I offended anyone.)

Didn’t offend me. You’re not wrong.

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Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:02:15am

re: #387 ObserverArt

It’s doing damage to her now.

People are going to get sick of her at this rate. I think that is happening already.

Let her learn before you let her Bern.

More importantly it’s doing damage to the Dems by giving the GOP a place to hang their “far, far, left” attack, which seems to be what Bernie and the media want.

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Bass Reeves  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:02:30am

re: #402 mmmirele

Why is she campaigning ANYWHERE outside of her district, which she has not yet won? She hasn’t done anything yet!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:03:58am

I always have a curiousity about how people die. I don’t know why but the cause is important to me. I am not someone who desperately must know as soon as possible but I do like to know.

Maybe I’m just a little weird?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:04:06am

re: #407 Bass Reeves

Why is she campaigning ANYWHERE outside of her district, which she has not yet won? She hasn’t done anything yet!

Seriously she should be introducing herself to her likely future constituents. She’s very likely gonna win in November but it’s not a good look for future constituent services imo.

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mmmirele  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:04:13am

re: #407 Bass Reeves

Why is she campaigning ANYWHERE outside of her district, which she has not yet won? She hasn’t done anything yet!

Yeah, that, obviously. I’m just irritated that she’s been sucked up by Bernie Sanders, who is not and never has been a Democrat. I’ve said it several times and I will say it again, If you want to run under the party banner, then join the party.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:05:37am

re: #403 Teukka

And it’s official: July in Stockholm will be the hottest in 262 years.

Kinda makes me wonder what the hell happened then.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:06:05am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread about Lewis Arthur…yikes!

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Saw that earlier. My question on the ‘blood in the cement’ statement

led to the inclusion of this explanation

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:06:10am

re: #411 Unshaken Defiance

Kinda makes me wonder what the hell happened than.

That’s when they began measuring temperatures here…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:06:36am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

I always have a curiousity about how people die. I don’t know why but the cause is important to me. I am not someone who desperately must know as soon as possible but I do like to know.

Maybe I’m just a little weird?

I was a mental math whiz as a kid so I liked going to cemeteries. You can guess why. My grandmother still teases me about that & 25 years later it makes me say dude you were a strange kid. I do use cemeteries now for genealogical research. Found out my dad’s aunt’s first husband is buried in the same place as mom’s uncle who went West in the early 50’s.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:08:25am
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Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:08:50am

re: #388 Barefoot Grin

Reading Richard Evans’ The Coming of the Third Reich might not seem like a good exercise in self-care these days, but i really needed the background info. Today, this passage on p. 376 stood out:

“The Nazis moved with the approval of conservatives and Catholics alike to destroy every branch of Weimar Germany’s lively and intricately connected conjurers of pressure groups for sexual freedom, the reform of the abortion law, the decriminalization of homosexuality, the public dispensing of contraceptive advice and anything else that they thought was contributing to the continued decline of the German birth rate.”

A brand new book is out that spends its time explaining how the Nazis happened. Because it’s new, it’s clearly linked to current events now, such as the rise of the far right across the globe. It probably isn’t going to make people feel better about what’s happening now, but it does try to explain it.


The Death of Democracy
Hitler’s Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic

By: Benjamin Carter Hett

It’s past time to be getting seriously worried now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:08:59am

re: #415 Belafon

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FNC is going to be upset about the name calling.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:09:13am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:09:46am

re: #416 Skip Intro

A brand new book is out that spends its time explaining how the Nazis happened. Because it’s new, it’s clearly linked to current events now, such as the rise of the far right across the globe. It probably isn’t going to make people feel better about what’s happening now, but it does try to explain it.


The Death of Democracy
Hitler’s Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic

By: Benjamin Carter Hett

It’s past time to be getting seriously worried now.

I started worrying when Trump was a viable GOP candidate.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:10:09am

You can probably easily imagine the comment that led to this reply on my FB

The new “you California Socialists are all alike” is just the old “you blacks/Asians/Jews/insert scapegoat all look alike” with a cheap new red MAGA hat

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:10:14am

re: #418 Charles Johnson

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Oh fuck that.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:10:26am

re: #400 mmmirele

I agree that the reason why the local authorities aren’t doing anything is exactly what that tuscon.com article cited - they’re genuinely afraid that this could become another Bundy Ranch scenario, ending in a bloody shootout with armed and deranged conspiracy theorists if he calls for reinforcements. Add to that woeful idea that this deluded fellow could end becoming a martyr and the last thing you ever want to do - the absolutely last thing you do - is make a martyr out of someone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:10:35am

re: #411 Unshaken Defiance

Kinda makes me wonder what the hell happened than.

Maybe accurate records weren’t kept before that time?

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:11:39am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

I always have a curiousity about how people die. I don’t know why but the cause is important to me. I am not someone who desperately must know as soon as possible but I do like to know.

Maybe I’m just a little weird?

No, I’m the same way. Also not obsessive, but if there is something seems really odd in an obituary I’ve been known to do a search or two.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:12:07am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

I was a mental math whiz as a kid so I liked going to cemeteries. You can guess why. My grandmother still teases me about that & 25 years later it makes me say dude you were a strange kid. I do use cemeteries now for genealogical research. Found out my dad’s aunt’s first husband is buried in the same place as mom’s uncle who went West in the early 50’s.

I just factored mile markers, counted to 250,000, and did s bunch of multiplication in my head.

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:12:24am

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Interesting Times  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:13:21am

Speaking of Facebook, those of you with heaps of trumpchumps on your list should post this meme as an experiment:

Facebook Post

I will not be responsible for any head-explosing residue that results ;)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:13:23am

re: #425 Belafon

I just factored mile markers, counted to 250,000, and did s bunch of multiplication in my head.

Ha! I didn’t go that far. Just you know 1898-1962, oh sixty four!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:13:23am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

I was a mental math whiz as a kid so I liked going to cemeteries. You can guess why. My grandmother still teases me about that & 25 years later it makes me say dude you were a strange kid. I do use cemeteries now for genealogical research. Found out my dad’s aunt’s first husband is buried in the same place as mom’s uncle who went West in the early 50’s.

Right there with you. One of the most interesting stones I ever came across was of a couple married for 50 years. The husband was born 6 months before the wife and died 6 months earlier than she did so they both had the exact same lifespan TO THE DAY.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:15:57am

re: #429 Eclectic Cyborg

Right there with you. One of the most interesting stones I ever came across was of a couple married for 50 years. The husband was born 6 months before the wife and died 6 months earlier than she did so they both had the exact same lifespan TO THE DAY.

Funny symmetry, I’m named after both grandfather’s, both left handed, both younger then their wives, staunch Democrats, Pennsylvania natives, I’m left handed too. Only one in my immediate family. My niece is a lefty tho.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:15:57am

re: #402 mmmirele

Why is she campaigning in the Midwest? She should be campaigning in the South and lending support to our candidates of color. Oh, wait, Bernie really doesn’t do that. (Sorry, not sorry if I offended anyone.)

She’s campaigning in the Midwest (and Florida) AGAINST candidates of color and specifically women candidates of color.

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Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:16:57am

re: #410 mmmirele

Yeah, that, obviously. I’m just irritated that she’s been sucked up by Bernie Sanders, who is not and never has been a Democrat. I’ve said it several times and I will say it again, If you want to run under the party banner, then join the party.

Let’s just take it for granted that Bernie is another Russian stooge whose whole purpose is to fuck over the Dems so the GOP can complete their takeover of the government. It’s driving me nuts that people still take this miserable old hack as anything else.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:17:05am

re: #431 BeachDem

She’s campaigning in the Midwest (and Florida) AGAINST candidates of color and specifically women candidates of color.

Berry berry interesting

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:17:08am

re: #412 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

From there, it was an easy “Aha!” moment for the conspiracy crowd to “just know” that Cemex was adding the blood of babies they sacrificed in sex rituals to their product.

there are lots of legends of ancient rituals in which buildings were consecrated by walling up a baby inside…

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retired cynic  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:19:21am

re: #429 Eclectic Cyborg

Right there with you. One of the most interesting stones I ever came across was of a couple married for 50 years. The husband was born 6 months before the wife and died 6 months earlier than she did so they both had the exact same lifespan TO THE DAY.

My mother’s parents did that. Gramps was born 6 months earlier than Gran, died 6 months earlier than she did. It wasn’t to the same exact day, ‘though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:19:39am

re: #415 Belafon

Pelosi: “Thug” Putin is not welcome to address Congress if he accepts Trump’s invitation to the White House

Fox headline; Pelosi Prefers Inciting WW3 to Polite Diplomacy

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:20:04am

re: #434 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there are lots of legends of ancient rituals in which buildings were consecrated by walling up a baby inside…

And this whole QAnon/Pizzagate/blood sacrifice/cannibalism bullshit sounds a whole lot to me like the latest incarnation of the Satanic Panic mixed with a generous helping of Blood Libel and the White Slavery moral panic of the late 19th century.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:20:21am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:21:00am

re: #431 BeachDem

She’s campaigning in the Midwest (and Florida) AGAINST candidates of color and specifically women candidates of color.

Who is she campaigning for?

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Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:21:11am

re: #426 Teukka

Ah yes, white, leading man handsome, well groomed Jesus. Definitely historically accurate.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:21:38am

re: #440 Skip Intro

Speaks English, too.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:21:41am

re: #406 Skip Intro

More importantly it’s doing damage to the Dems by giving the GOP a place to hang their “far, far, left” attack, which seems to be what Bernie and the media want.

And the afterBerners continue their destruction. Facebook post from one of our local malcontents:

AfterBerners are not just Republican ratfuckers. They live and breathe (and run their mouths continuously) among us. They believe their are always 100% right and that they have been and are being wronged by anyone who dares to disagree with them about anything. I am really sick of them. (this particular one is the one who said we “old white ladies” should realize that our cloaks of invisibility aren’t working. But we’re the ones who are being condescending—uh huh)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:21:58am

re: #437 Dr Lizardo

And this whole QAnon/Pizzagate/blood sacrifice/cannibalism bullshit sounds a whole lot to me like the latest incarnation of the Satanic Panic mixed with a generous helping of Blood Libel and the White Slavery moral panic of the late 19th century.

I had the same feelings about the Muslim fears that started up in the Obama years. My term paper on the pogroms was directly inspired by that.

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:22:24am

re: #440 Skip Intro

Ah yes, white, leading man handsome, well groomed Jesus. Definitely historically accurate.

Well, I have to use that Jesus, otherwise they’d believe it was creeping Sharia deep cover terrorist Issa…
*runs for cover*

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:23:29am

re: #437 Dr Lizardo

Forgot to say it all adds up to a perfect storm that can unleash an episode of mass hysteria, a social F5 hurricane that wreaks tremendous damage on almost everything in its path.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:23:55am

re: #442 BeachDem

And the afterBerners continue their destruction. Facebook post from one of our local malcontents:

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AfterBerners are not just Republican ratfuckers. They live and breathe (and run their mouths continuously) among us. They believe their are always 100% right and that they have been and are being wronged by anyone who dares to disagree with them about anything. I am really sick of them. (this particular one is the one who said we “old white ladies” should realize that our cloaks of invisibility aren’t working. But we’re the ones who are being condescending—uh huh)

It’s easy to dismiss them as ratfucks but I think Skip means Bernie is a stalking horse for rat fuckery.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:24:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:25:28am

re: #442 BeachDem

And the afterBerners continue their destruction. Facebook post from one of our local malcontents:

A party primary is not a general election

A political party is a private organization, it may structure and organize (and influence) its nominating process howecer it sees fit.

It may hold open primaries, closed primaries, caucuses or no primary at all.

Berners either did not or could not see that distinction.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:26:27am

“‘Brillante’ as they would say in the United Kingdom.” - Johnny Miller on Francesco Molinari who is from Italy.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:27:21am

re: #448 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A party primary is not a general election

A political party is a private organization, it may structure and organize (and influence) its nominating process howecer it sees fit.

It may hold open primaries, closed primaries, caucuses or no primary at all.

Berners either did not or could not see that distinction.

We know this, they don’t unfortunately.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:30:02am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

We know this, they don’t unfortunately.

I think a lot of the ratfuckers did, but they kept hacking away at that point to discredit the DNC.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:31:10am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:31:37am

re: #416 Skip Intro

A brand new book is out that spends its time explaining how the Nazis happened. Because it’s new, it’s clearly linked to current events now, such as the rise of the far right across the globe. It probably isn’t going to make people feel better about what’s happening now, but it does try to explain it.


The Death of Democracy
Hitler’s Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic

By: Benjamin Carter Hett

It’s past time to be getting seriously worried now.

Thanks! I’ll check it out. That was the wider inference I was drawing from Evans. History is never perfectly analogous, but we do seem to find the same wrong answers to similar issues over and over. Here in my passage is was the state taking control of the body and enforced gender roles (hyper masculinity and women as breeders).

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:33:16am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think a lot of the ratfuckers did, but they kept hacking away at that point to discredit the DNC.

A good question to ask them is why the party let Bernie run since he didn’t become a Democrat.

And my personal answer to that is there were DNC people that didn’t want Hillary to win.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:34:40am

re: #447 Charles Johnson

The odds some of us will have real physical threats and confrontations forced upon us are growing. The ability to hide in anonymity recedes almost as fast. It’s an excellent time to apply enough brainpower, and unfortunately some resources to take care. The Trumpers are not going to ever respond well to defeats or calls for non violence. Some of them are seething at what you and your friends are doing.

Unfortunately Twitter repeats the lesson that taking care is in our hands and depending on others is problematic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:34:46am

re: #454 Belafon

A good question to ask them is why the party let Bernie run since he didn’t become a Democrat.

And my personal answer to that is there were DNC people that didn’t want Hillary to win.

I also think they wanted it to look like a race, it would have been bad publicity to have HRC simply “crowned”.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:35:47am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also think they wanted it to look like a race, it would have been bad publicity to have HRC simply “crowned”.

I sort of agree, but we had other candidates that were Democrats.

Edited

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:36:06am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:36:12am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think a lot of the ratfuckers did, but they kept hacking away at that point to discredit the DNC.

Not the retfuckers, the true believers

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Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:36:18am

re: #444 Teukka

No, that’s good. That’s the Jesus they think existed. See any wingnut “painting” of Jesus and Trump, for example.

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Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:36:57am

re: #458 Ace-o-aces

If the meeting was so great then why is it a big secret?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:37:11am

re: #457 Belafon

I sort of agree, but we had other candidates that were Democrats.

Edited

None of any national format

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:37:38am

re: #457 Belafon

But we had other candidates that were Democrats.

3 all in all. I don’t like Bernie but we can’t deny he has genuine appeal. You’re not going to prevent him from succeeding without acknowledging that.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:37:55am

A can of Tuna went up $.08 just this week.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:38:30am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

, it would have been bad publicity to have HRC simply “crowned”.

Idiots. It could have been beautiful. Shrinking away from their own over a bunch of fictional baggage. See that’s where my frustration just boils over. They denied her the ability to overcome the critics in office with policy. Capitol crime (pun not really looking for a hanging!) for party leadership. Because nobody better represented the Democratic party view that had real world experience. With all the damage real world work brings. Gah.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:40:10am

re: #439 Belafon

Who is she campaigning for?

In Kansas for Brent Welder—(one primary opponent is Sharice Davids, a Native American woman)

for James Thompson—(opponent is Laura Lombard)

In Florida, Chardo Richardson (looking to take out incumbent Stephanie Murphy, a Vietnamese-American)

And others…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:40:23am

I don’t like Bernie but fuck NRO for saying he’d do Venezuela here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:40:43am

re: #465 Unshaken Defiance

Idiots. It could have been beautiful. Shrinking away from their own over a bunch of fictional baggage. See that’s where my frustration just boils over. They denied her the ability to overcome the critics in office with policy. Capitol crime for party leadership. Because nobody better represented the Democratic party view that had real world experience. With all the damage real world work brings. Gah.

Again, the DNC is a private organization, they made their policy decisions and paid the price for it.

Another tactical concern, I believe: had Bernie campaigned as an independent, he could have massively Nadered them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:41:20am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

I don’t like Bernie but fuck NRO for saying he’d do Venezuela here.

Preying on our fear of socialism in all its forms.

They want to make it sound like his views are now mainstream Democratic Party line.

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sagehen  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:41:26am

re: #378 makeitstop

Probably with subtle threats to both him and his favorite child if he doesn’t comply. The two things that matter most to him.

Or unsubtle threats that secrets may or may not remain secret. Depending.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:42:33am
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plansbandc  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:43:29am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:43:58am

re: #469 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Preying on our fear of socialism in all its forms.

They want to make it sound like his views are now mainstream Democratic Party line.

They did before he ran. Anyhow truth be told Bernie isn’t the radical revolutionary he fancies himself to be. HRC actually accomplished revolutionary things whereas far as I can see after his civil rights experiences in the 60’s, Bernie went to Vermont.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:44:55am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

It’s easy to dismiss them as ratfucks but I think Skip means Bernie is a stalking horse for rat fuckery.

Oh, I understand (and agree) with that. Just that there are some who say that the afterBerners aren’t Democrats and are merely ratfuckers, while I see them live and in person every fucking day at Democratic events and stirring up as much trouble as they can.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:45:25am

re: #474 BeachDem

Oh, I understand (and agree) with that. Just that there are some who say that the afterBerners aren’t Democrats and are merely ratfuckers, while I see them live and in person every fucking day at Democratic events and stirring up as much trouble as they can.

Right. Agreed.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:45:51am

re: #427 Interesting Times

Bang right to my timeline public.

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:49:46am

I’m sorry but I don’t know how a man who represents a state more white than the country ever was is a good representative of our party of which he’s no member anyway but even if he did would be a poor representation of it. That’s no slam on Vermont for being white but an acknowledgement of states like New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, & even Arkansas that our past standard bearers represented.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:50:42am

Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day, as the old saying goes.

Sen. Marco Rubio on Sunday blasted the Nicaraguan government for its lethal crackdown on protests, cautioning that “the possibility of a civil war in Nicaragua is real.”

The Florida Republican said on CNN’s “State of the Union” that an escalation of the country’s months-long crisis “would trigger a migratory crisis. It would undermine our anti-drug efforts in the region. There is a direct national security interest for the United States in seeing democracy and stability in Nicaragua.”

Tens of thousands of protesters have convulsed the Central American nation since April. Led by students, protests have railed against social security overhauls and President Daniel Ortega’s increasingly authoritarian rule. Nearly 300 people have died.

The U.N. warned last week of human rights violations by the paramilitary forces Ortega has used against protesters.

The onetime leftist Sandinista revolutionary led Nicaragua in the 1980s after the toppling of the U.S.-backed Somoza dictatorship. Since returning to power in 2007, Ortega has consolidated power, done away with term limits and elevated his widely reviled wife, Rosario Murillo, to the vice presidency as a possible successor.

I’d agree that Nicaragua is increasingly moving towards the brink of civil war and that needs to be halted before all hell breaks loose - the last thing anyone needs is a destabilizing conflict in Central America and all that entails.

politico.com

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Teukka  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:51:42am

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:53:54am

re: #478 Dr Lizardo

Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day, as the old saying goes.

I’d agree that Nicaragua is increasingly moving towards the brink of civil war and that needs to be halted before all hell breaks loose - the last thing anyone needs is a destabilizing conflict in Central America and all that entails.

politico.com

Wonder what Marco will say when the inevitable refugees try to make a better home here President Small Hands cries about it. But yeah at least Rubio is actually paying attention down there. Trump wouldn’t know Nicaragua from Mexico.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:54:02am

re: #478 Dr Lizardo

Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day, as the old saying goes.

I’d agree that Nicaragua is increasingly moving towards the brink of civil war and that needs to be halted before all hell breaks loose - the last thing anyone needs is a destabilizing conflict in Central America and all that entails.

politico.com

Here is the catch: if they are fleeing a socialist dictatorship, how can we possibly turn them away? Trump has really opened up a big can of worms for his party to try and stuff back in.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:56:09am

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The one thing worse for them than a civil war is a civil war with the US involved.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:57:10am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No doubt about it, an outright civil war would certainly create a refugee wave and then Trump is gonna be in something of a pickle.

Well, time to call it a day. Up early for work tomorrow. Have fun, Lizards.

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:57:37am

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Here is the catch: if they are fleeing a socialist dictatorship, how can we possibly turn them away? Trump has really opened up a big can of worms for his party to try and stuff back in.

Little will be made of where they’re freeing from.

The emphasis will be that they’re flooding our borders, invading our country.

They won’t try to stuff the worms back in that can, they’ll simply ignore the worms.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2018 • 11:58:18am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:00:05pm

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Here is the catch: if they are fleeing a socialist dictatorship, how can we possibly turn them away? Trump has really opened up a big can of worms for his party to try and stuff back in.

Betsy Devos has a place for the kids but the parents? Turned back with prejudice.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:01:28pm

re: #485 The Vicious Babushka

More hated than Lincoln (or Obama? LOL) and tougher than Reagan on the Russians. It’s opposite day every day he tweets.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:03:17pm

re: #484 makeitstop

Little will be made of where they’re freeing from.

The emphasis will be that they’re flooding our borders, invading our country.

They won’t try to stuff the worms back in that can, they’ll simply ignore the worms.

I suspect that a lot will be made of what they are fleeing: “socialist oppression”. Obama will be blamed for it, but the GOP will find itself will be in a quandry if we insist on sending those people back or denying them refugee status.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:03:29pm

re: #485 The Vicious Babushka

There was this guy in 1963.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:04:31pm

re: #485 The Vicious Babushka

“The level of hatred toward the 45th president of the United States is beyond anything we’ve seen in American history.”

It is all about propping up the witch hunt narrative.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:06:52pm
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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:07:15pm

re: #388 Barefoot Grin

Reading Richard Evans’ The Coming of the Third Reich might not seem like a good exercise in self-care these days, but i really needed the background info. Today, this passage on p. 376 stood out:

“The Nazis moved with the approval of conservatives and Catholics alike to destroy every branch of Weimar Germany’s lively and intricately connected conjurers of pressure groups for sexual freedom, the reform of the abortion law, the decriminalization of homosexuality, the public dispensing of contraceptive advice and anything else that they thought was contributing to the continued decline of the German birth rate.”

In today’s political climate they would be described as “pro-life”.

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:08:00pm

re: #488 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I suspect that a lot will be made of what they are fleeing: “socialist oppression”. Obama will be blamed for it, but the GOP will find itself will be in a quandry if we insist on sending those people back or denying them refugee status.

I kinda don’t buy that, and here’s why.

Trump riles up his cult with stories of gang violence, all that ‘chopping up of young girls’ shit, and his base eats it up like groceries.

Why are many people trying to leave their countries for asylum here? Gang violence.

How much attention does that get? Pretty much zero. Like I said, the valid reasons why they’re coming here are irrelevant if no one ever talks about them.

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sagehen  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:08:12pm

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

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oh, I hope so.

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Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:08:26pm

re: #453 Barefoot Grin

I like Evans. It’s my third time through his books now.

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:08:55pm

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

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He says that like it’s a bad thing.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:09:10pm

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

When your wish list turns up in your needless concerns column.

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Alephnaught  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:09:35pm

re: #83 wheat-dogg

How New York City got its street grid(s).

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That’s really interesting. The city centre of my native city Glasgow was largely built in the Victorian era, and it’s grid street pattern was largely based on the likes of Manhattan island, New York.

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JordanRules  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:09:52pm

Good piece.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:10:56pm

re: #493 makeitstop

I kinda don’t buy that, and here’s why.

Trump riles up his cult with stories of gang violence, all that ‘chopping up of young girls’ shit, and his base eats it up like groceries.

Why are many people trying to leave their countries for asylum here? Gang violence.

How much attention does that get? Pretty much zero. Like I said, the valid reasons why they’re coming here are irrelevant if no one ever talks about them.

You are probably right, the GOP is very good at having its cake and eating it too and remaining immune from the consequences of its own poor judgement.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:17:56pm

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

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There are worse things like you know being s Republican

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:18:06pm

re: #485 The Vicious Babushka

I also remember a lot of people being angry about that black guy we elected not too long ago…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:18:50pm

re: #502 Eclectic Cyborg

I also remember a lot of people being angry about that black guy we elected not too long ago…

Jeanne ought to know she was one of them.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:20:18pm

re: #502 Eclectic Cyborg

I also remember a lot of people being angry about that black guy we elected not too long ago…

And Bill Clinton’s election spawned a whole industry of vilification that’s still going strong 17 years after he left office.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 22, 2018 • 12:41:10pm

re: #494 sagehen

There is. A couple of the dispensaries I visited in Denver last year had some. I was more interested in flower and cartridge oils, so I cannot attest to the effectiveness but Captain Scaredy Cat there isn’t keeping up, lol.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:00:32pm

re: #447 Charles Johnson

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I reported the same guy, Charles and Twitter ignored it as they have been doing when I report Russian trolls.

Why doesn’t @jack just simply come out and say that he will always give the alt-right a pass on Twitter?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 22, 2018 • 1:03:48pm

re: #101 Kragar

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Apparently Judge Jeanine spent the previous eight years in a coma.

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retired cynic  Jul 22, 2018 • 2:30:49pm

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Jeanne ought to know she was one of them.

Judge Jeanine, please! You’re stepping on my name!


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