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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Dog — NSFW; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; The Omarosa Tapes; We called it; Trump forced staffers to sign NDAs; Omarosa says there’s tape with Trump saying the N word; Omarosa book will claim Trump called Don Junior a ‘fuck up’; Trump calls Omarosa a dog; Roger Stone’s swastika; Sacha Baron Cohen nails another Trumper; Trump vs Primary Challengers; Kasich is more popular that Trump in Ohio; and so much more.

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teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2018 • 3:26:47pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2018 • 3:38:15pm

Just was checking Omarosa info and found that she was born in Youngstown, Ohio.

Now I know where she gets her edge. Tough town…tough people.

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b.d.(great patriot hostage)  Aug 14, 2018 • 3:52:21pm

Loving this podcast. The changing of the Kink’s Lola to Omarosa will be in my head for a while though. lol, dammit!

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 3:53:27pm

Just more skeletons in America’s closet:

A Texas city discovered a mass grave of prison laborers. What should it do with the bodies?

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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 3:55:42pm

It’s primary night again! First up, Vermont, with a crowd of candidates so devoid of qualifications and sense that even Берни can’t make it worse.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 3:56:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 3:59:53pm

MOO

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:00:17pm

re: #4 freetoken

Just more skeletons in America’s closet:

A Texas city discovered a mass grave of prison laborers. What should it do with the bodies?

It’s an interesting question since the relatives/community members may have radically different opinions on the matter. Personally, I wouldn’t have any objections to having my grandparents dug up and relocated or whatever and a memorial wouldn’t have particular meaning for me. Other people would be legitimately and deeply angered by that.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:05:01pm

I wish this were not true but it probably is:

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Dr. Matt  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:06:17pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I wish this were not true but it probably is:

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Related:

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austin_blue  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:06:48pm

re: #8 calochortus

It’s an interesting question since the relatives/community members may have radically different opinions on the matter. Personally, I wouldn’t have any objections to having my grandparents dug up and relocated or whatever and a memorial wouldn’t have particular meaning for me. Other people would be legitimately and deeply angered by that.

Post-slavery slaves, though. Bad optics for Sugarland. It got it’s name for a reason. Sugar plantations were labor intensive, bigly. “Workers” were often worked to death. And heat index? Brutal conditions.

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b.d.(great patriot hostage)  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:07:53pm

re: #4 freetoken

Just more skeletons in America’s closet:

A Texas city discovered a mass grave of prison laborers. What should it do with the bodies?

I bet those bones are just glad to get out of Tom DeLay’s old district.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:09:40pm
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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:09:52pm

re: #11 austin_blue

Post-slavery slaves, though. Bad optics for Sugarland. It got it’s name for a reason. Sugar plantations were labor intensive, bigly. “Workers” were often worked to death. And heat index? Brutal conditions.

Incredibly dangerous, too. Even if you weren’t worked to death.

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b.d.(great patriot hostage)  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:11:47pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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Remember how the made up “Whitey Tape” was going to be the end of the Obamas?

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:12:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:12:07pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:12:22pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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The black president uses the word in a discussion of racial issues in America and he gets slammed with long editorials and overheated rhetoric from pundits about he’s “degrading the sanctity of the office.”

The white president* may have been caught on tape saying the word and the public’s response is “Meh.”

But racism is “dead,” so sayeth Chief Justice Roberts./////

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:13:29pm
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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:14:38pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

On last night’s Penn & Teller show, one of the guest magicians made a derogatory Trump joke. Most of the crowd laughed, including Penn.

Unusual for a non-late night broadcast show to start airing anti-Trump stuff. Hopefully it will pick up.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:15:33pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I wish this were not true but it probably is:

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Yes, but how much more can his approval rates go up among the deplorables? Isn’t it already pretty high? We need to keep in mind that Trump’s base is small relative to the general population. He won with 70,000 votes because of the electoral college.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:16:03pm

Jump on it SoCal Lizards!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:18:27pm

re: #3 b.d.

Loving this podcast. The changing of the Kink’s Lola to Omarosa will be in my head for a while though. lol, dammit!

Weird al yankovic Yoda with lyrics

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:19:35pm

re: #10 Dr. Matt

It would be normalized by his supporters but everyone else would be horrified. Trust me, it wouldn’t be a good thing overall for Trump or Republicans in general. There’s a reason they are moving heaven and earth to suppress the votes of minorities and to discourage migration from non-White countries.

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TedStriker  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:22:13pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

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I’m sorry, but speaking as a man, a guy just doesn’t put his hands on a woman’s ass like that unless he’s fucking her or is trying to fuck her.

That “embrace” is way more intimate than it should ever be between a father and daughter:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:22:28pm

I hope you’re all preparing yourselves for the very real possibility that Cruz, Nunes et. al could get reelected come November.

Victory is never guaranteed.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:23:31pm

re: #22 Dr. Matt

Jump on it SoCal Lizards!

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That hamster!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:23:36pm

re: #15 b.d.

Remember how the made up“Whitey Tape” was going to be the end of the Obamas?

Even back when I was still being a stubborn idiot about some political stuff I should have known better about, I didn’t fall for that “whitey tape” garbage. I believe it originated with dirtbag blogger Larry Johnson, if I recall correctly.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:24:56pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I hope you’re all preparing yourselves for the very real possibility that Cruz, Nunes et. al could get reelected come November.

Victory is never guaranteed.

I’m fully expecting election interference. I can only hope. And I do.

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b.d.(great patriot hostage)  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:26:22pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Even back when I was still being a stubborn idiot about some political stuff I should have known better about, I didn’t fall for that “whitey tape” garbage. I believe it originated with dirtbag blogger Larry Johnson, if I recall correctly.

Yeah, what a nutjob.

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wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:27:30pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I hope you’re all preparing yourselves for the very real possibility that Cruz, Nunes et. al could get reelected come November.

Victory is never guaranteed.

Maybe Nunes, maybe et al, but not Cruz. Beto will win. Never a guarantee, but this one I know.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:27:33pm

The fucking Catholic Church. I was raised Catholic and was actually an altar boy for a year or two, and I’m now starting to think I was very lucky not to encounter one of these monster priests.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:27:38pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:33:42pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:33:46pm

Oooohhhh, fibrocartilaginous patella.

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Skip Intro  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:36:14pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

My dog has a luxating patella.

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:37:08pm

re: #24 Patricia Kayden

It would be normalized by his supporters but everyone else would be horrified. Trust me, it wouldn’t be a good thing overall for Trump or Republicans in general. There’s a reason they are moving heaven and earth to suppress the votes of minorities and to discourage migration from non-White countries.

I wouldn’t be horrified. Horror often implies a certain amount of shock and I already feel sure he has used the term, along with any number of other slurs. And he meant every one of them. Disgust would be my preferred response.

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:37:54pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:39:00pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

My dog has a luxating patella.

Is that good? Sounds kinda good.

My brother had a palpable crepitation in his toe. Not as bad as it sounds.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:39:58pm
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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:40:24pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

My dog has a luxating patella.

They resurfaced my patella when they replaced my knee. I think. I was under the benign influence of propofol at the time they did it.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:41:54pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

Depressing.

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:42:49pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

Is that good? Sounds kinda good.

My brother had a palpable crepitation in his toe. Not as bad as it sounds.

The older I get the more crepitation I have in various joints. Even without palpating.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:44:26pm

re: #42 MsJ

God, Guns, Abortion, and White Power. Apparently the religious right has added to their credo in the last few decades.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:45:11pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

My dog has a luxating patella.

Two of mine do. 😢

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:46:14pm

On a totally unrelated subject, I seem to be going through more and more feta around here. If it’s in the fridge, I throw some in all sorts of things. Is this wrong of me? ;)

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wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:46:46pm

re: #43 calochortus

The older I get the crepitation I have in various joints. Even without palpating.

I think that meant the doctor could feel it crepitating as he palpated it. But could have meant my brother, never thought of that. That was 50 years ago, my brother probably doesn’t remember it. Unless it’s still crepitating…

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Skip Intro  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:47:24pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

Is that good? Sounds kinda good.

My brother had a palpable crepitation in his toe. Not as bad as it sounds.

Actually no it’s not. It means she has a floating kneecap which can pop out of place at any time. It’s painfull for her but I can pop it back in place if she lets me.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:47:25pm

re: #46 calochortus

That stuff’s worse than death!

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:47:43pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

Is that good? Sounds kinda good.

My brother had a palpable crepitation in his toe. Not as bad as it sounds.

Alas, no. It’s a kneecap that’s not built properly. It creates walking issues. My one boy will lift one leg when it’s cold and he’s running. He’ll fly up the stairs on the legs.

The pup had no issues yet but the vet said it’s stage 1 from the time I got her at 8 weeks.

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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:47:52pm

Here’s what I expect if Omarosa is proven right on the “N****r Tape”: The media to grab their clutchin’ pearls and begin immediately making excuses based upon…wait for it…his age. That is the go-to anytime an old white guy is caught being openly racist, the idea that their age means they “don’t know any better.”

“Oh, that’s the way he was raised, the culture he grew up in. It was such a common and accepted word back then that he doesn’t feel wrong saying it. You can’t expect someone who’s had decades to learn better to just drop the use of the word in regular conversation!”

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:48:56pm

re: #50 MsJ

Alas, no. It’s a kneecap that’s not built properly. It creates walking issues. My one boy will lift one leg when it’s cold and he’s running. He’ll fly up the stairs on *three legs.

The pup had no issues yet but the vet said it’s stage 1 from the time I got her at 8 weeks.

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:50:11pm

re: #49 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

That stuff’s worse than death!

But then you’re a Deep State SuperElite Satinist, so I probably shouldn’t believe you.

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wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:50:34pm

re: #49 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

That stuff’s worse than death!

I don’t know, have you tried it? Death, I mean. I hear it’s not recommended.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:50:59pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

I don’t know, have you tried it? Death, I mean. I hear it’s not recommended.

Eh, I tried it once. I got better.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:51:23pm

re: #49 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

That stuff’s worse than death!

I put it on pizza.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:51:37pm

re: #46 calochortus

On a totally unrelated subject, I seem to be going through more and more feta around here. If it’s in the fridge, I throw some in all sorts of things. Is this wrong of me? ;)

you and me both

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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:51:52pm

re: #55 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Eh, I tried it once. I got better.

So you’re a Marvel comics character?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:51:55pm
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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:54:02pm

The bad news is that, unless the courts rule against his “I’m running for a nomination I don’t want to keep others away” strategy, Берни is headed back to the Senate, with a slight 94-6% lead over Folasade Adeluola. The good news is that sane Democratic Congressman Peter Welch is over 80% against proto-BernieBro Dan Freilich (the only non-incumbent to raise over $5,000 for his campaign so far).

The GOoPer side is goofier. Roque de la Fuente is losing his fourth Senate campaign to Lawrence Zupan. Second is Brooke Paige, who is also running for the US House (and winning). And Attorney General (unopposed). And Secretary of State (unopposed). And Treasurer (unopposed). And Auditor (yep, unopposed).

In the Democratic race for governor, Christine Hallquist is running to be the first transgender governor in the US, or more likely the first transgender candidate to lose a rock-solid Democratic state to a Republican. The only one of her three opponents worthy of note is Ethan Sonneborn. He’s 14.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:54:08pm

I never even heard of this.

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:54:57pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:55:25pm

This is sick:
Nebraska carries out first US execution using opioid fentanyl

Nebraska has carried out its first execution in more than two decades with a drug combination never tried before, including the first use of the powerful opioid fentanyl, which has become the focal point in the US’s opioid crisis.

Carey Dean Moore was pronounced dead at 10:47am local time (15:47GMT) on Tuesday. The 60-year-old had been sentenced to death for killing two cab drivers in Omaha in 1979. He was the first inmate to be lethally injected in Nebraska, which last carried out an execution in 1997, using the electric chair.

Moore was 21 when he committed the murders. He was 60 at the time of his execution. He had effectively spent his entire adult life on death row. Conservative death penalty advocates continue their grotesque search for new methods, which is really about dodging the “cruel and unusual” admonition in the Constitution. Drug companies understandably want nothing to do with this, so several states, starting with Oklahoma, have decided to start asphyxiating the condemned with nitrogen gas.

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:55:51pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

Here’s what I expect if Omarosa is proven right on the “N****r Tape”: The media to grab their clutchin’ pearls and begin immediately making excuses based upon…wait for it…his age. That is the go-to anytime an old white guy is caught being openly racist, the idea that their age means they “don’t know any better.”

“Oh, that’s the way he was raised, the culture he grew up in. It was such a common and accepted word back then that he doesn’t feel wrong saying it. You can’t expect someone who’s had decades to learn better to just drop the use of the word in regular conversation!”

Back when? I’m 65 and did not grow up hearing the word much. Occasionally, maybe, like on TV with some racist idiot using it but it wasn’t at all common. I never used the term except perhaps quoting someone, or discussing Huck Finn.

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TedStriker  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:56:03pm

re: #25 TedStriker

I’m sorry, but speaking as a man, a guy just doesn’t put his hands on a woman’s ass like that unless he’s fucking her or is trying to fuck her.

That “embrace” is way more intimate than it should ever be between a father and daughter:

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Edit: Reading that tweet thread, it is appears that is McDougal’s hand around the waist of the Bunny in purple/black to her right.

Still…

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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:56:49pm

re: #59 Patricia Kayden

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Well, to be fair…those past presidents didn’t surround themselves with the sort of bastards, low-lives, and gutter trash that has pervaded the ranks of this administration. Even St. Ron didn’t hire half-assed TV “stars,” he at least kept to the same pool of treasonous fuckers that the GOP has generally hired from since the Nixon days.

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wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:57:14pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:57:19pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Jesus H. Christ with chicken salad. Look, I’m nominally pro-death penalty, but waiting on death row for 39 years is cruel and unusual punishment, no matter how the death is meted out. Honestly, if we don’t have the means to execute them immediately following their final appeal, it’s effectively a life-in-prison sentence anyway.

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TedStriker  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:58:27pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

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Are we sure that Gary Busey didn’t sire Eric, because he sure looks a lot like him…

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:58:42pm
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TedStriker  Aug 14, 2018 • 4:59:49pm

re: #68 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Jesus H. Christ with chicken salad. Look, I’m nominally pro-death penalty, but waiting on death row for 39 years is cruel and unusual punishment, no matter how the death is meted out. Honestly, if we don’t have the means to execute them immediately following their final appeal, it’s effectively a life-in-prison sentence anyway.

More blood for the blood god; we, as a country, have decided that revenge and retribution is more important than justice.

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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:00:03pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This is sick:
Nebraska carries out first US execution using opioid fentanyl

Moore was 21 when he committed the murders. He was 60 at the time of his execution. He had effectively spent his entire adult life on death row. Conservative death penalty advocates continue their grotesque search for new methods, which is really about dodging the “cruel and unusual” admonition in the Constitution. Drug companies understandably want nothing to do with this, so several states, starting with Oklahoma, have decided to start asphyxiating the condemned with nitrogen gas.

Guy spends 39 years alive on death row, but yet I’m told all the time that we must have capital punishment because otherwise this fellow might escape and might offend again.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:00:18pm

Afternoon Lizards. No, Just fucking no.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:01:34pm

re: #71 TedStriker

More blood for the blood god; we, as a country, have decided that revenge and retribution is more important than justice.

“But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’”

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b.d.(great patriot hostage)  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:02:12pm

Damn!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:02:30pm

It’s really getting real now.

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:03:45pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

It’s really getting real now.

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Odd issue to campaign on, but if that’s what they want to do…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:04:58pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

Here’s what I expect if Omarosa is proven right on the “N****r Tape”: The media to grab their clutchin’ pearls and begin immediately making excuses based upon…wait for it…his age. That is the go-to anytime an old white guy is caught being openly racist, the idea that their age means they “don’t know any better.”

“Oh, that’s the way he was raised, the culture he grew up in. It was such a common and accepted word back then that he doesn’t feel wrong saying it. You can’t expect someone who’s had decades to learn better to just drop the use of the word in regular conversation!”

Yeah well he has repeatedly claimed to be THE LEAST RACIST PERSON THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN!!!!!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:05:34pm

re: #60 Brian J.

The bad news is that, unless the courts rule against his “I’m running for a nomination I don’t want to keep others away” strategy, Берни is headed back to the Senate, with a slight 94-6% lead over Folasade Adeluola. The good news is that sane Democratic Congressman Peter Welch is over 80% against proto-BernieBro Dan Freilich (the only non-incumbent to raise over $5,000 for his campaign so far).

The GOoPer side is goofier. Roque de la Fuente is losing his fourth Senate campaign to Lawrence Zupan. Second is Brooke Paige, who is also running for the US House (and winning). And Attorney General (unopposed). And Secretary of State (unopposed). And Treasurer (unopposed). And Auditor (yep, unopposed).

In the Democratic race for governor, Christine Hallquist is running to be the first transgender governor in the US, or more likely the first transgender candidate to lose a rock-solid Democratic state to a Republican. The only one of her three opponents worthy of note is Ethan Sonneborn. He’s 14.

You’ve got a Roque de la Fuente, too? He’s a “perennial candidate” here in WA (running for Senate this time).

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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:06:31pm

re: #79 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You’ve got a Roque de la Fuente, too? He’s a “perenial candidate” here in WA (running for Senate this time).

Same guy. De la Fuente is running in seven different states.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:07:08pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

How the ever-loving FUCK are they going to spin that shitpile as a good thing? Oh, right, I forgot - it will appeal to the elite 1%’ers who control the right wing cray-cray machine.

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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:07:15pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

It’s really getting real now.

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And the people cheering this shit on think getting a cast put on a broken arm is a “luxury.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:07:52pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

And the people cheering this shit on think getting a cast put on a broken arm is a “luxury.”

Or telling a woman with a >$200k medical bill that she should kill herself or her son instead of spending other people’s money.

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:08:35pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

And the people cheering this shit on think getting a cast put on a broken arm is a “luxury.”

Unless it’s their arm, of course.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:08:53pm
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Scout  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:09:13pm

Erroneous post

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:09:32pm

re: #83 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Or telling a woman with a >$200k medical bill that she should kill herself or her son instead of spending other people’s money.

No concept of what insurance is.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:11:14pm

Fuck this prick

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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:11:44pm

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Fuck this prick

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Less verbose than my comments, but no less accurate.

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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:12:27pm

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Fuck this prick

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So he did again what he did to win the job in the first place, fucking over his only opposition in order to run virtually unopposed.

So much for running on “principles,” eh?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:12:45pm

re: #80 Brian J.

Same guy. De la Fuente is running in seven different states.

How the fuck is that legal?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:12:53pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

So he did again what he did to win the job in the first place, fucking over his only opposition in order to run virtually unopposed.

So much for running on “principles,” eh?

He ran on the same “principles” Donald J. Trump ran on: Me first, fuck everybody else.

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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:13:01pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

So he did again what he did to win the job in the first place, fucking over his only opposition in order to run virtually unopposed.

So much for running on “principles,” eh?

And he’s out-fundraised said opposition by at least 1,500 to 1.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:15:04pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:16:55pm

re: #93 Brian J.

And he’s out-fundraised said opposition by at least 1,500 to 1.

“America doesn’t want career politicians who are beholden to outside money!”

Meanwhile, their idol is a 20+ year veteran politician who always has wealthy donors ready to fund his reelection bid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:17:40pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

It’s really getting real now.

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and he honestly believes that this is a winning tactic for November???

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:19:43pm
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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:20:42pm

On to less depressing states, like Connecticut. Amusingly, the one-time enfant terrible of the online left, Ned Lamont, is now the Establishment candidate for Governor and is winning big in early voting. The BernieBro LtGov candidate, Eva Zimmerman, is losing soundly to former SecState Susan Bysiewicz.

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Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:22:28pm

The crowd who regularly insists there’s a ready vote for a third-party “alternative” to the “duopoly” and that people want a different choice also believe that it’s a perfectly valid tactic to cut the nuts off the only opposition party in order to keep winning as an “independent.”

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:24:54pm

re: #98 Brian J.

I voted for Eva Zimmerman, who has Lamant’s old campaign manager working for her.

Ned Lamont, is now the Establishment candidate for Governor and is winning big in early voting.

He’s running against the ex-con mayor of Bridgeport who went from Mayor to prisoner for a few years to Mayor again and now thinks he can be governor lol.

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retired cynic  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:26:03pm

Not sure if posted: Charlie Pierce says “Want Pelosi Out? Find Somebody Better.”

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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:26:59pm

re: #100 gocart mozart

I voted for Eva Zimmerman, who has Lamant’s old campaign manager working for her.

Evidently, there are a fair number of folks like you, as Lamont is whooping Bridgeport mayor/ crook Joe Ganim 84-16%, while Bysiewicz leads Zimmerman by a more moderate 60-40%.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:27:20pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Avenatti is not a traitor and a criminal and a racist and a misogynist and a birther and a slob and a liar and an uneducated fool.

And we don’t want him.

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BlueGrl21  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:28:16pm

re: #11 austin_blue

Post-slavery slaves, though. Bad optics for Sugarland. It got it’s name for a reason. Sugar plantations were labor intensive, bigly. “Workers” were often worked to death. And heat index? Brutal conditions.

Born and raised here, live within walking distance of the Jester Unit, on old prison land.

Sugar Land has a history I and others are well aware of, which makes it even more ironic that we are the most diverse area of the most diverse metro area of the U.S. Things in the world can and do change.

As for these graves, I leave it to the families. There are a whole lot of little cemeteries around here near new neighborhoods, fenced off and maintained. If that’s what the families want they should have it. Seriously, they’re everywhere around me.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:28:54pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:29:59pm

re: #98 Brian J.

re: #102 Brian J.

She has low name recognition but Bysiewicz has been around forever and (yawn).

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:31:06pm
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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:31:53pm

re: #106 gocart mozart

She has low name recognition but Bysiewicz has been around forever and (yawn).

Not to carp at you, but we need more competent politicians we can yawn at. Demanding that they be “exciting” and “inspiring” is putting the onus on them to do PR instead of their jobs, and means we’re neglecting our job of doing our civic duty.

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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:32:48pm

re: #108 Brian J.

Lamont has been called the winner by the AP. No surprise.

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:34:11pm

currently up 2 to 1
Apparently I live in the same district (but not the same lifestyle) as Mia Farrow. Connecticut is weird this way.
According to Wiki “Since the 1990s, Farrow has resided at Frog Hollow farm, a farm in Bridgewater, Connecticut.”

courant.com

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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:34:32pm

I betcha Twitter’s going to 86 Alex Jones pretty soon, and act like they deserve thanks for it, agonize over the “free speech” issues, pretend their new algorithms are solving the problem, yadda yadda. The Infowars bubble has finally popped.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:34:50pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:35:58pm
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lawhawk  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:41:21pm

The Catholic Church is compromised and complicit in the ongoing sex abuse scandals that go back decades.

How to deal with an organization like this?

You mean besides prosecuting those involved to the fullest extent of the law?

I propose the death penalty - the same as with athletic organizations who enable and ignore ongoing abuse when there are warning signs.

For college sports, it would mean the end of the Penn State athletic department. Permanently. You want zero tolerance in college environment, you make the punishment for violating the public trust and putting the public in danger.

So how would that apply to the Church?

Take away their tax exemptions in those jurisdictions where the abuse occurred. You seize the property and put it up for sale as reparations to those who were harmed.

You shut them down.

I know that’s a pipe dream, especially getting rid of the tax exemptions, but prosecuting those who were involved is a possibility in some of these cases (for the rest, some of the perpetrators are long dead).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:43:31pm

re: #107 gocart mozart

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“Chicom operatives”? JFC! I turned 66 a couple weeks ago, and I’m too young to use the word (?) “Chicom”. Who is he, Frank Burns?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:43:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:44:53pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Overstreet is correct. Avennati is nowhere close to being “the left’s Trump”.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:47:42pm

re: #115 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Chicom operatives”? JFC! I turned 66 a couple weeks ago, and I’m too young to use the word (?) “Chicom”. Who is he, Frank Burns?

I kind of like “Chicom,” since it reminds Walmart and other GOP profiteers of just who it is they are doing business with.
Under the Law of Right-wing Projection, this also suggests that Alex may be stooging for Chinese as well as Russian influence operatives.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:48:28pm

re: #114 lawhawk

A nice start would be closing their schools in the states where the abuse occurred. So, probably nation wide

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:48:32pm

re: #117 Patricia Kayden

Overstreet is correct. Avennati is nowhere close to being “the left’s Trump”.

He’s also nowhere close to being qualified to be President. Dude has zero history of public service either in elected office or public sector work and has recently moved to seal his own testimony in his law firm’s $10 million bankruptcy proceeding. He’s telegenic, combative and famous, that’s literally it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:50:53pm

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I kind of like “Chicom,” since it reminds Walmart and other GOP profiteers of just who it is they are doing business with.
Under the Law of Right-wing Projection, this also suggests that Alex may be stooging for Chinese as well as Russian influence operatives.

It also shows the age of Jones’ target audience. When they die off (Yeah, I know, we’ve been promising ourselves that since 2008.), then what?

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plansbandc  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:52:39pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

If they succeed, it is a literal death sentence for my husband and me.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:53:28pm

re: #116 Patricia Kayden

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That opinion aligns 100% with his base, though.

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plansbandc  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:55:00pm

The Nebraska execution is exceptionally vile in a very vile business.

To me, if premeditated murder is the ultimate crime, why is it OK for the government to commit it? I will never be able to reconcile this.

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:55:30pm

It looks like Lamont’s opponent will be an investment banker who has never run for political office
Bob Stefanowski ballotpedia.org

Wait, maybe the mayor of Danbury ballotpedia.org

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austin_blue  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:55:53pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

The fucking Catholic Church. I was raised Catholic and was actually an altar boy for a year or two, and I’m now starting to think I was very lucky not to encounter one of these monster priests.

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Yes. As another former Catholic, I understand completely. Very lucky you weren’t an orphan and reared by priests.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:56:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:57:14pm

re: #122 plansbandc

If they succeed, it is a literal death sentence for my husband and me.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:58:05pm

This is maga

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:58:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:59:53pm

Shit is fucked up.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 14, 2018 • 5:59:57pm

Going through some older downloaded files. Finding some older stuff that is just as funny now.

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:01:05pm

CT may have its first Chinese American Attorney General, William Tong. He had a good con law professor I hear. en.wikipedia.org

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:05:55pm

I have to get this cookbook.

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Teukka  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:06:13pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

The fucking Catholic Church. I was raised Catholic and was actually an altar boy for a year or two, and I’m now starting to think I was very lucky not to encounter one of these monster priests.

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re: #126 austin_blue

Yes. As another former Catholic, I understand completely. Very lucky you weren’t an orphan and reared by priests.

I’m still Catholic, and I think the Church should’ve handled it better. And most were lucky to escape the monster priests and nuns, because there weren’t that many problem employees to begin with, but by shifting them around rather than pursuing justice, they potentiated the damage the problem employees did.

As to reparations? Pay the equivalent of the tax they would pay if they weren’t a non-profit entity into a central fund for the care and long-term compensation for victims for a set number of decades would get my nod of approval easy.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:07:11pm
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Bubblehead II  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:07:35pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

I betcha Twitter’s going to 86 Alex Jones pretty soon, and act like they deserve thanks for it, agonize over the “free speech” issues, pretend their new algorithms are solving the problem, yadda yadda. The Infowars bubble has finally popped.

I’ll believe it when the shit is splattered all over the wall and @jack is covered with it.

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plansbandc  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:10:21pm

Party Barn Progressives. Heh!

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nines09  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:10:28pm

re: #126 austin_blue

Yes. As another former Catholic, I understand completely. Very lucky you weren’t an orphan and reared by priests.

We have a winner…….

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Dr. Matt  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:11:08pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

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Isn’t that Andrew Brietbart fucker dead? Isn’t that account in violation of twitter’s TOS?

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Schweppes7  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:12:47pm

re: #140 Dr. Matt

Look at the date of the tweet, happened in 2012.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:13:03pm

re: #140 Dr. Matt

Isn’t that Andrew Brietbart fucker dead? Isn’t that account in violation of twitter’s TOS?

He wasn’t dead when he sent that Tweet in 2012.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:13:05pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:13:17pm
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plansbandc  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:13:24pm

Evangelicals make me seriously consider renouncing my Christianity.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:13:47pm

re: #141 Schweppes7

Look at the date of the tweet, happened in 2012.

*puts on reading glasses*

Ah. ok.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:14:04pm

re: #142 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He wasn’t dead when he sent that Tweet in 2012.

Are you sure? 😈

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Skip Intro  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:14:14pm

So does this make the Manafort trial a mistrial?

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:14:21pm
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Schweppes7  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:15:43pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Thanks for sharing. There are many opportunists who have become “leaders” of the “resistance” and it is important to identify stuff like this. It reminds me of Louise Mench and her loonie following after she had been close with Milo and was clearly not the progressive champion she made herself out to be (that is without even getting into the outrageous lies she spread to liberals that desperately wanted to believe them).

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dangerman  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:16:18pm

If there is an n-word tape from the apprentice, what does that say about nbc and every person associated with the show that knew about it all along?

Forget the other “contestants”
I mean the show runners and owners

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:16:25pm

re: #148 Skip Intro

So does this make the Manafort trial a mistrial?

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What the judge did there was absolutely egregious. In front of the jury. Never corrected.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:16:55pm

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

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I’ve been advocating for (Western) Washington becoming part of British Columbia if it came to that—but this would be better.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:19:10pm
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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:19:18pm

First results coming in from Minnesota, you betcha. Amy Klobuchar and Tina Smith are having no trouble with their challengers in the Senate races (Smith leads her much-ballyhooed ex-GOoPer opponent Richard Painter 5-to-1). Tim Walz is ahead of Erin Murphy in the Governor’s race with Lori Swanson a competitive third, and Keith Ellison looks like he’ll have the chance to be a mayor dilemma for Democrats as he’s well ahead for Attorney General.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:20:32pm

re: #145 plansbandc

Evangelicals make me seriously consider renouncing my Christianity.

Raises Hand…. Not rejected, lots of good stuff there, I just look at as metaphor at this point. Religion is the Big Biz of power, money, and contol for the ages. More than our puny history.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:21:05pm

re: #155 Brian J.

First results coming in from Minnesota, you betcha. Amy Klobuchar and Tina Smith are having no trouble with their challengers in the Senate races (Smith leads her much-ballyhooed ex-GOoPer Richard Painter 5-to-1). Tim Walz is ahead of Erin Murphy in the Governor’s race with Lori Swanson a competitive third, and Keith Ellison looks like he’ll have the chance to be a mayor dilemma for Democrats as he’s well ahead for Attorney General.

Klobuchar has proven herself to be a badass. I figured she’d be OK.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:21:08pm

re: #153 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve been advocating for (Western) Washington becoming part of British Columbia if it came to that—but this would be better.

NM and CO might want to be part of the USoC, though. Need an adverse easement across AZ to connect them. Indian Reservations, maybe?

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William Lewis  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:21:11pm

re: #145 plansbandc

Evangelicals make me seriously consider renouncing my Christianity.

It’s tempting, I know. I preach radical orthopraxy rather than orthodoxy. What matters, according to Jesus, is what you do not what you believe (that was Paul’s shtick).

As I told an old friend earlier this week, an asshole who thinks he’s good with god from going to church on Sunday and sinning all week is not a christian no matter what he thinks.

OTOH, an atheist who does what is right is a far more holy person.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:21:21pm

Trump in 2013, using a word that is not in his vocabulary:

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:21:52pm

I’ll keep powder dry on Amy Siskind until I know more. She doesn’t seem a Louise Mench type as people are making her out to be. Those tweets are damning, but I want to know more.

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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:22:00pm

re: #157 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Klobuchar has proven herself to be a badass. I figured she’d be OK.

A lot better than OK- she’s got 96 percent of her primary vote so far.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:23:04pm

re: #159 William Lewis

It’s tempting, I know. I preach radical orthopraxy rather than orthodoxy. What matters, according to Jesus, is what you do not what you believe (that was Paul’s shtick).

As I told an old friend earlier this week, an asshole who thinks he’s good with god from going to church on Sunday and sinning all week is not a christian no matter what he thinks.

OTOH, an atheist who does what is right is a far more holy person.

I’ve said this before: There will be a lot of evangelicals who are going to be extremely surprised and disappointed by some of the people they see in heaven when they are receiving their judgment.

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Teukka  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:24:20pm

re: #159 William Lewis

It’s tempting, I know. I preach radical orthopraxy rather than orthodoxy. What matters, according to Jesus, is what you do not what you believe (that was Paul’s shtick).

As I told an old friend earlier this week, an asshole who thinks he’s good with god from going to church on Sunday and sinning all week is not a christian no matter what he thinks.

OTOH, an atheist who does what is right is a far more holy person.

“As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.”
— Jam 2:26

‘Nuff said.

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lawhawk  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:24:22pm

re: #154 Unshaken Defiance

The Great Space Coaster Gary Gnu and Special Effects

No Gnu is good gnews.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:25:40pm

Kevin Kruse Does Actual History on Donald Trump’s Photo-Op With Rosa Parks & Muhammed Ali (spoiler: the photo-op IS NOT PROOF that Trump is “NOT A RACIST”)

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:27:09pm

rollin’… rollin’…

Small shake, then a second of quiet, then a larger shake with some waves. Not too big, doubt many felt it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:27:47pm

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

Trump in 2013, using a word that is not in his vocabulary:

Not to defend the Dotard, but that is an old school retweet. He’s questioning why @EDM___HEAD (account suspended by the way) can use ‘nigga’

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:28:07pm
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lawhawk  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:28:22pm

Surprising absolutely no one…

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:28:37pm

M4.4, up near the border with Riverside county:

earthquake.usgs.gov

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lawhawk  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:29:51pm

re: #167 freetoken

USGS just called one a 4.4 in SoCal.

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lawhawk  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:32:30pm

Kobach fucks up and fails upwards and gets the nod as the GOP nominee for governor of Kansas.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:33:32pm

re: #173 lawhawk

So the GOP has just endorsed a known vote-fixer for an elected office. And they think we play dirty.

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:33:47pm

re: #173 lawhawk

What’s the matter with Kansas?

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dangerman  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:34:40pm

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Fuck this prick

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BREAKING: US Sen. Bernie Sanders wins Vermont Democratic primary but is expected to turn down nomination and run as independent

On multiple levels,
This should not be allowed

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teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:35:05pm

re: #175 freetoken

Too much fundamentalist Christian religion.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:35:46pm

re: #168 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Not to defend the Dotard, but that is an old school retweet. He’s questioning why @EDM___HEAD (account suspended by the way) can use ‘nigga’

He wasn’t really questioning anything. He’s flat out asserting that it’s somehow hypocritical that white racists like Paula Dean can’t get away with saying it when black people and anonymous randos can. It’s the go-to gotcha question that deliberately clueless white people deploy whenever they feel put upon by their inability to publicly use their favorite racial epithet.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:40:18pm

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

When William finally does ascend the throne, there may be quite a few people in the Lost Colonies ready to re-join the Commonwealth. It probably won’t be long now. QE 2 can’t live forever, though she is giving it a damn good try, and I suspect that Charles won’t last long after she is gone.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:40:44pm

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:40:51pm

Ok, looked through some threads on Amy Siskind. This is going to be one hell of a book tour from here on out. I think she had better explain or wrap it up.

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William Lewis  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:42:50pm

re: #164 Teukka

“As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.”
— Jam 2:26

‘Nuff said.

Exactly.

Of course the letter from James (allegedly James The Just, Brother of the Lord and Leader of the Church in Jerusalem) probably was originally a sermon in synagogue that was later given a Christian gloss. Yet never forget that Jesus was, in the end, a good Jewish man.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:43:48pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

They can keep Illinois too, with all its fuckin’ Nazis.

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William Lewis  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:44:50pm

re: #183 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They can keep Illinois too, with all its fuckin’ Nazis.

Nah, some good people and places there. We’ll just ship the Nazi’s back across the Mississippi.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:44:59pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I hope you’re all preparing yourselves for the very real possibility that Cruz, Nunes et. al could get reelected come November.

Victory is never guaranteed.

Of course. But Texas is a big state, so the GOP is going to have to spend a lot of money to keep Cruz’s seat, money they won’t be able to spend elsewhere.

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Interesting Times  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:45:55pm

re: #181 Barefoot Grin

Ok, looked through some threads on Amy Siskind. This is going to be one hell of a book tour from here on out. I think she had better explain or wrap it up.

I first learned of her work through Sarah Kendzior, so yes, I’m most definitely stunned by these developments. And I can’t for the life of me understand why she won’t provide some sort of explanation - it’s not like there aren’t already a few never-trump GOPers, and ex-GOPers saying a lot of the same things as her (Jennifer Rubin, Nicole Wallace…hell, look at our own Charles and his “why I left the right” post from 2009! So why couldn’t Amy Siskind say something similar? I don’t get it -_- )

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:47:30pm
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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:48:02pm

re: #181 Barefoot Grin

Ok, looked through some threads on Amy Siskind. This is going to be one hell of a book tour from here on out. I think she had better explain or wrap it up.

I unfollowed. Anyone who could ever support Palin is not someone I need to see in my TL. I don’t care how you might have changed, supporting Palin in any way makes you too stupid to ever be someone whose words are worthy of any kind of consideration.

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Brian J.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:48:57pm

More good news, bad news from Wisconsin and Minnesooooooota:

Tim Pawlenty tried to climb back onto the political stage and is losing 54-43% to Jeff Johnson (no, not from Wisconsin).

On the bad side, Randy Bryce and his iron ‘stache lead 57-43% over Cathy Myers, surviving a Sanders endorsement with the help of a mere $6,400,000 in primary funding.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:49:18pm

re: #180 Eventual Carrion

This invokes something Rockwellish…. Anyone else pick that up?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:50:44pm

re: #188 MsJ

I unfollowed. Anyone who could ever support Palin is not someone I need to see in my TL. I don’t care how you might have changed, supporting Palin in any way makes you too stupid to ever be someone whose words are worthy of any kind of consideration.

I don’t mind if she somehow “saw the light” but otherwise I agree with you. I’m not a fan of shape shifters.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:50:45pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Do they have MD listed as MY on that map? Grrrrrrr.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:51:00pm

re: #189 Brian J.

Tim Pawlenty was actually reasonably popular when he was governor. I suppose that’s why he tried to run again, so it’s kind of surprising that he isn’t doing terribly well. Of course, I haven’t seen if he is on the Trump-humper bandwagon or not; we don’t truck with the yam or his friends up here.

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:51:29pm
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retired cynic  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:53:08pm

re: #183 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They can keep Illinois too, with all its fuckin’ Nazis.

HEY!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:53:57pm

re: #187 Patricia Kayden

Part of me wonders if the large proportion of “aye” responses is due both to Trump-humpers who want Mueller to go away, and Democrats who would love to see Mueller tie it all up with a bow and get something before Congress for consideration of articles of impeachment.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:54:17pm
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b.d.(great patriot hostage)  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:54:18pm

re: #170 lawhawk

Surprising absolutely no one…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:54:34pm

re: #195 retired cynic

HEY!

Sorry dude. It’s not that I hate Illinois, but the southern part of the state, just like fish country right next door, does seem to have a bit of a Nazi/Confederate/KKK problem.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:57:30pm

re: #188 MsJ

I unfollowed. Anyone who could ever support Palin is not someone I need to see in my TL. I don’t care how you might have changed, supporting Palin in any way makes you too stupid to ever be someone whose words are worthy of any kind of consideration.

I suppose I should probably leave then? When McCain picked Palin as his running mate, I actually thought it was a good pick. I even thought she was smart for a little bit. Then she opened her mouth.

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retired cynic  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:57:59pm

re: #199 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sorry dude. It’s not that I hate Illinois, but the southern part of the state, just like fish country right next door, does seem to have a bit of a Nazi/Confederate/KKK problem.

Well, I live there. Was born and raised there. Plenty of Universities and colleges and good folks. And we vote reliably blue, and are going to oust Bruce Rauner in 2018 (even if we have to close our eyes to vote for JB Pritzker!).

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:58:13pm

re: #191 Barefoot Grin

I don’t mind if she somehow “saw the light” but otherwise I agree with you. I’m not a fan of shape shifters.

Bush, I’d understand. McCain, ok. Maybe even Romney. But Palin (and Bachmann)? No. Never. That’s a level of stupid you can never live down. Ever.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 6:59:31pm

re: #158 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

NM and CO might want to be part of the USoC, though. Need an adverse easement across AZ to connect them. Indian Reservations, maybe?

NV is a swing state. We might get it into the new union. (I vote for calling it plain Canada, BTW.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:01:35pm

re: #64 calochortus

Back when? I’m 65 and did not grow up hearing the word much. Occasionally, maybe, like on TV with some racist idiot using it but it wasn’t at all common. I never used the term except perhaps quoting someone, or discussing Huck Finn.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:02:05pm

re: #201 retired cynic

Well, I live there. Was born and raised there. Plenty of Universities and colleges and good folks. And we vote reliably blue, and are going to oust Bruce Rauner in 2018 (even if we have to close our eyes to vote for JB Pritzker!).

I spent a few years of my childhood in Illinois myself. Honestly, there’s no good way to split the United States, because even in Alabama and Mississippi, there are still some good people who would be mighty put out if we abandoned them and their homes to the desolate hellscape of Jesusland.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:02:14pm

re: #200 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I suppose I should probably leave then? When McCain picked Palin as his running mate, I actually thought it was a good pick. I even thought she was smart for a little bit. Then she opened her mouth.

That yet was from January of 2012 not 2008. Did you support Palin in 2012?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:03:02pm

re: #206 MsJ

That yet was from January of 2012 not 2008. Did you support Palin in 2012?

Ha. By the time 2012 came around, I had definitely seen the light. Hell, in 2008 I think I even voted for Obama. I can’t honestly remember.

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plansbandc  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:03:18pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We’re a blue state though. We would be fucked.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:05:14pm

re: #207 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ha. By the time 2012 came around, I had definitely seen the light. Hell, in 2008 I think I even voted for Obama. I can’t honestly remember.

Anyone who supported Palin after she began speaking is an absolute moron.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:05:45pm

re: #192 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Do they have MD listed as MY on that map? Grrrrrrr.

Mardlany?

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Schweppes7  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:08:06pm

re: #200 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I suppose I should probably leave then? When McCain picked Palin as his running mate, I actually thought it was a good pick. I even thought she was smart for a little bit. Then she opened her mouth.

Keep in mind that this Palin stuff is from 2012 long after she had opened her mouth and done a lot of other dumb things on the national scene for four years after she was nominated. Amy’s defense seems to be that she was doing it on behalf of her non-partisan organization dedicated to advancing women into leadership roles (thenewagenda.net). I suppose Palin was one of the only prominent women in the GOP in 2012 (she was better than MIchelle Bachman I guess?). I am not a fan of her Palin advocacy, but I still think her errors in judgment were forgivable if she had approached this better. She got overly defensive and dismissive in a way that turned this into a war instead of just acknowledging and reflecting on her earlier views and explaining why they do not represent who she is now.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:10:33pm

re: #211 Schweppes7

And that’s all fair enough. I just don’t do well when people issue blanket statements about “Anybody who supported X is a moron.” After all, there was a time when I thought Michele Bachmann - yes, she of the (R-Mars) designation - was a respectable politician. Obviously I saw the light eventually, and I’m ashamed it took me as long as it did, but people can and do have honest changes of heart and can become quite intelligent and informed, if they work at it. It sounds like this woman is not one of those.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:10:58pm
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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:13:50pm

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

If this happened, my family and I would be refugees from Texas.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:14:13pm

Y’all have to forgive me. I’m a very black and white person sometimes and Palin is a full-stop for me.

I’m a feminist and supporting someone just because they are female is as sexist as not doing so for the same reason.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:15:34pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:15:56pm

re: #215 MsJ

Y’all have to forgive me. I’m a very black and white person sometimes and Palin is a full-stop for me.

I’m a feminist and supporting someone just because they are female is as sexist as not doing so for the same reason.

You’re absolutely right on that. I think we agree more than you think we do.

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:16:53pm

re: #215 MsJ

Y’all have to forgive me. I’m a very black and white person sometimes and Palin is a full-stop for me.

I’m a feminist and supporting someone just because they are female is as sexist as not doing so for the same reason.

I give women/minorities an extra point when weighing up candidates because different perspectives are worthwhile. Just being female or an underrepresented class alone won’t do it for me.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:17:32pm

re: #218 calochortus

I give women/minorities an extra point when weighing up candidates because different perspectives are worthwhile. Just being female or an underrepresented class alone won’t do it for me.

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!!!!11!111onety

I can just hear them frothing at the mouth now.

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calochortus  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:18:22pm

re: #219 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!!!!11!111onety

I can just hear them frothing at the mouth now.

Shocking, ain’t it?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:18:23pm

re: #215 MsJ

Y’all have to forgive me. I’m a very black and white person sometimes and Palin is a full-stop for me.

I’m a feminist and supporting someone just because they are female is as sexist as not doing so for the same reason.

“Alla them broads who voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries will vote for us now, right? Suck it, libs!!”

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:18:37pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:18:55pm

SHOCK!
Sarah Huckabee Sanders is forced to admit she lied!

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Schweppes7  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:19:38pm

re: #212 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I agree with you completely. While I do have a few absolute deal breakers for me in terms of friendships/relationships, I think it is important to keep an open mind and engage with people and acknowledge that people can change and grow. One of the reasons I have always loved this site was watching Charles’s views evolve over time and seeing him eloquently explain his shifts in perspective and decision to strongly distance himself from the right.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:19:51pm

re: #217 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You’re absolutely right on that. I think we agree more than you think we do.

I think we do, too. I just want to make sure you knew I wasn’t picking on you or giving you a hard time. That wasn’t my point at all.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:21:13pm

re: #225 MsJ

I think we do, too. I just want to make sure you knew I wasn’t picking on you or giving you a hard time. That wasn’t my point at all.

Nah, sall good. I wasn’t trying to put you under the gun either. Just illustrating that there is some room for debate on the intelligence of someone who formerly supported a moron. To the point, it appears that this Amy definitely didn’t learn as much of a lesson as she should’ve; to wit, don’t double down on the stupid.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:22:50pm
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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:23:04pm

Supporting Palin in 2012 is like supporting Hitler in 1945…or 2018.

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plansbandc  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:23:26pm

re: #215 MsJ

Agreed. But I get when people have a political awakening. My late father and his sister where enthusiastic SP supporters. It made me so fucking angry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:23:31pm

re: #224 Schweppes7

Funny thing is, his transition away from the right wing was pretty much what forced my own hand. That day, when Charles posted that article, was extremely polarizing across the right-wing blogosphere; anybody who was anybody was taking sides (most of them aiming their guns at our illustrious host, sadly). I knew I had to make a choice: Either keep reading right-wing shock jockeys and letting my brain rot into mush, or take a reasoned stance, stay informed, and risk becoming one of those liberals I had been trained since birth to despise. I think it’s pretty obvious how that turned out.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:25:20pm

re: #212 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And that’s all fair enough. I just don’t do well when people issue blanket statements about “Anybody who supported X is a moron.” After all, there was a time when I thought Michele Bachmann - yes, she of the (R-Mars) designation - was a respectable politician. Obviously I saw the light eventually, and I’m ashamed it took me as long as it did, but people can and do have honest changes of heart and can become quite intelligent and informed, if they work at it. It sounds like this woman is not one of those.

Jim Wright (Stonekettle) had good things to say about Sarah Palin once upon a time. (It may have been when she was governor.) He repented soon enough.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:25:31pm

re: #224 Schweppes7

I agree with you completely. While I do have a few absolute deal breakers for me in terms of friendships/relationships, I think it is important to keep an open mind and engage with people and acknowledge that people can change and grow. One of the reasons I have always loved this site was watching Charles views evolve over time and seeing him eloquently explain his shifts in perspective and decision to strongly distance himself from the right.

A lot of times people like Charles become better, more fierce advocates than life longers because they had to reckon with things. I think that must be part of what attracted me to Balloon Juice, then LGF.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:27:00pm

re: #227 DodgerFan1988

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Strzok can’t spell his own name? Interesting.

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Schweppes7  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:27:27pm

re: #227 DodgerFan1988

This is a fake account trying very hard to look like the real thing. Check the spelling of his last name. The real account is

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:27:29pm
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plansbandc  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:27:43pm

I’m hoping to not be italics anymore… I swear I didn’t do anything.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:30:45pm

re: #231 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Jim Wright (Stonekettle) had good things to say about Sarah Palin once upon a time. (It may have been when she was governor.) He repented soon enough.

When she was governor, she was a Commie Socialist who robbed from the rich (the oil companies) and gave to the poor (the citizens of Alaska). Funny how that never came out when she was running for veep.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:31:01pm

re: #228 MsJ

Supporting Palin in 2012 is like supporting Hitler in 1945…or 2018.

Are there virtual lynchings involved as well?

Sarah Palin was an idiot, and McCain picking her smacked of Mondale picking Ferraro. She never had Hitler’s or Twitler’s ambition. when I think of her as possibly president, I’m horrified, but I also imagine a trailer park being installed on the White House lawn for her family, not selling parts of the country to Russia.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:31:10pm

re: #233 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Strzok can’t spell his own name? Interesting.

Good catch. Blocked and reported.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:31:48pm

3.5 years ago (holy shit!) I wrote the following Page, which Charles was kind enough to promote into a front-page article. It was meant to commemorate my 10-year anniversary at LGF.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:31:51pm
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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:34:09pm

re: #238 Belafon

Are there virtual lynchings involved as well?

Sarah Palin was an idiot, and McCain picking her smacked of Mondale picking Ferraro. She never had Hitler’s or Twitler’s ambition. when I think of her as possibly president, I’m horrified, but I also imagine a trailer park being installed on the White House lawn for her family, not selling parts of the country to Russia.

I wasn’t comparing people as much as dates of the support.

I weep at the thought of Palin being anywhere near the WH including on a tour.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:35:08pm

re: #234 Schweppes7

This is a fake account trying very hard to look like the real thing. Check the spelling of his last name. The real account is [Embedded content]

I noticed the absence of a blue checkmark, but not the spelling. Good for you.

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fern01  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:35:25pm

re: #116 Patricia Kayden

That’s a taken - no discussion needed.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:35:25pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Even back when I was still being a stubborn idiot about some political stuff I should have known better about, I didn’t fall for that “whitey tape” garbage. I believe it originated with dirtbag blogger Larry Johnson, if I recall correctly.

Thinking about your tweet on Trumps N word not going to have any impact. I started counting how many things should have derailed the campaign then the administration. birther, bankrupt, Trump U, bankrupt, grab a pussy, birther, bankrupt, disability shame a reporter, bankrupt, then he effing won and it got worse. If I had a shot for each of these tonight, I’d need two bottles and kill my liver dead.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:37:48pm
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plansbandc  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:39:33pm

Has anyone commented about how ridiculous it is to have a press secretary with a non-disclosure agreement? It’s such a perfect illustration of the the clown car administration.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:39:58pm

re: #238 Belafon

Are there virtual lynchings involved as well?

Sarah Palin was an idiot, and McCain picking her smacked of Mondale picking Ferraro. She never had Hitler’s or Twitler’s ambition. when I think of her as possibly president, I’m horrified, but I also imagine a trailer park being installed on the White House lawn for her family, not selling parts of the country to Russia.

She could see Russia from her house, remember—she could have just had a yard sale.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:40:02pm

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

SHOCK!
Sarah Huckabee Sanders is forced to admit she lied!

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Dang!! More reason for reporters to skip her lie sessions.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:41:23pm

re: #245 Unshaken Defiance

Thinking about your tweet on Trumps N word not going to have any impact. I started counting how many things should have derailed the campaign then the administration. Birther, Bankrupt, Trump U, Bankrupt, Grab a pussy, birther, Bankrupt, disability shame a reporter, bankrupt, then he effing won and it got worse. If I had a shot for each of these tonight, I’d need two bottles and kill my liver dead.

I am not counting on anyone currently thinking about pulling the lever for a Republican in November (my wording is meant to include those who won’t call themselves Republican but will vote that way anyway). And living in one of the reddest districts - I think it’s actually the reddest - in Texas, it can sometimes make it hard to get through the day.

If you want to support a candidate on a Quixote-esque mission, look at Catherine Krantz. In the primaries, Ratcliffe received about 5 times as many votes as the two Democrats combined. But she’s running, and getting people here out to vote helps Beto.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:42:32pm

Ironstache advances after epic victory in Summer-Slam
Will compete for Wisconsin’s 1st District Championship this fall, to claim the title belt vacated by Broseph Rayn

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:43:31pm

re: #249 Patricia Kayden

Dang!! More reason for reporters to skip her lie sessions.

She wouldn’t have lied had there been no one there for her to talk to. Plus, as we talked about before, she will never have a session with no reporters. It’ll just contain people from Fox, Gateway Pundit, and other “news” outlets if the main news orgs don’t show.

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teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:45:09pm

re: #240 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That thread has a great picture of darthstar getting immobilized by greenhorn Ski Patrol.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:46:11pm

re: #245 Unshaken Defiance

Thinking about your tweet on Trumps N word not going to have any impact. I started counting how many things should have derailed the campaign then the administration. Birther, Bankrupt, Trump U, Bankrupt, Grab a pussy, birther, Bankrupt, disability shame a reporter, bankrupt, then he effing won and it got worse. If I had a shot for each of these tonight, I’d need two bottles and kill my liver dead.

Hey, I’m an idiot, too. During the campaign, I honestly thought—and said many times—that tRump was ideologically the least objectionable of the lot, and didn’t really believe all the RW crap he was spewing to get elected.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:48:08pm

re: #252 Belafon

Her lie sessions add nothing of substance to our political awareness. I see no downside to reporters skipping them. When she refused to state that the press wasn’t an enemy, they should have walked out en masse.

But anyways, I’m just rambling. The press will never treat her as she deserves so shrugs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:49:18pm

re: #253 teleskiguy

That thread has a great picture of darthstar getting immobilized by greenhorn Ski Patrol.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Ha, I even missed that the first time ‘round. That was good for a laugh.

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Schweppes7  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:51:36pm
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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:53:54pm

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

Her lie sessions add nothing of substance to our political awareness. I see no downside to reporters skipping them. When she refused to state that the press wasn’t an enemy, they should have walked out en masse.

But anyways, I’m just rambling. The press will never treat her as she deserves so shrugs.

They vocally called her out today over her NDA statement. They have the abilities to do so. Whether they will continue remains to be seen (I doubt it).

I think we all lose without a real press presence. Then we get nothing but propaganda from right wing liars (like Sarah but exclusively so).

It’s only marginally better but I’m opposed to the press not being there.

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William Lewis  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:54:08pm

Well Wisconsin is looking good overall. Evers has had two terms as State Superintendent of Public Instruction so he has a statewide team and name recognition - he was elected to that office twice against strong Republican candidates. Yes, others were more progressive but he’s far more electable and is Walker’s nightmare.

Up here in the 7th, the candidate I’ve been volunteering for, Margaret Engbretson is leading. I hope she carries it because the other guy (a DR) is too cozy with the insurance industry for my tastes and I want one more “medicare for all” vote in the House ;)

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BigPapa  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:55:51pm

re: #257 Schweppes7

Imani is solid. One of my fav Twitter peoples. Disappointed in Amy.

I was liberdouchian, for a moment a crass supporter of Palin. It’s amazingly empowering to acknowledge a fault or being wrong and changing your mind for the better.

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fern01  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:56:37pm

re: #148 Skip Intro

So does this make the Manafort trial a mistrial?

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It’s extremely unusual for the prosecution to call for a mistrial(if it ever happens) - if it had been against the defense - different story.

From your link

Ellis had proposed giving jurors a specific instruction about his comments, effectively saying they were expressions of opinion and could be disregarded entirely

The prosecution disagreed with this with good cause. If a juror is told this is the judge “expressing an opinion” - surely they would consider the judge’s opinion to be important. It will interesting to hear the final format of the instruction.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:56:45pm

Hmmm… I wonder who owns Periscope?

//

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:57:31pm

Doing some internet archeology tonight.
I’ve managed to regain access to a Yahoo account I had not visited since 2012. In the process, I was also able to bring up a lost ATT email account, for which the yahoo address was the only backup. My yahoo mail is gone, deleted, but the groups to which I belonged are still there. Most of these date from the turn of the century, starting in 1999. Some of these have not had a new posting since 2005, the most recent in any of them is from ‘15.
My mail on the ATT account is still there, buried under 6 years worth of spam. It’s not exactly a nostalgia trip, but some of the old info is useful to have again and I can also recycle some of my wittier posts (if I could tell which ones they are). There is also some real sadness, since there are extensive exchanges with a couple of friends who are now deceased. It is re-assuring to have this though, and to be able to see their words again.

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fern01  Aug 14, 2018 • 7:57:41pm

re: #151 dangerman

If there is an n-word tape from the apprentice, what does that say about nbc and every person associated with the show that knew about it all along?

Forget the other “contestants”
I mean the show runners and owners

They refused to release any other tapes after the “pussy” tape was seen. At the time there was talk of many more tapes.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:00:06pm

re: #260 BigPapa

Why won’t Ms. Suskind just explain herself and state that she has changed since the days when she deluded herself into thinking that Palin would make a good VP?

Having a change in one’s politics isn’t unusual. Charles Johnson of this blog and John Cole of Balloon Juice both made changes from rightwing to leftwing.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:01:20pm

re: #260 BigPapa

It’s amazingly empowering to acknowledge a fault or being wrong and changing your mind for the better.

THIS!!
I really wish more people would understand this. It’s an amazingly human thing that we should celebrate.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:01:27pm

I saw this graph earlier and had a thought:

As you can see, it’s the graph of real wages vs productivity. We all like to blame Reagan for this split, and I see no reason not to blame for not trying to fix it, but something has been bothering me about it: The split occurs around 1973, when wages start to go flat, well before Reagan.

Now, a little of that is due to those values not having to coincide, but I, someone who likes math but is not an economist, was wondering: Is this change mainly due to the way we have responded to inflation? We know that companies were raising employee salaries because of both unions and that business taxes raised the incentive to pay higher wages. But, due to our manufacturing capability back then, especially compared to now, we couldn’t make stuff fast enough, thus prices rose meaning higher inflation.

But, then our responses were messed not all that great. First we had Nixon’s price fixing, then we had the high interest rates of Carter (I have lost the name of his Fed Chairman). And then, from Reagan on, we’ve reduced the incentive for companies to raise wages.

I think there are two things now that we can do that we couldn’t do back then. 1) Push inflation up higher, (ideas on that front: the government should borrow enough to pay down college loans so that new grads can spend), and 2) seriously raise minimum wage. Automated manufacturing means we can generate quite a bit more for people to buy, meaning we won’t have the inflation problems of before.

Now, as I said, I’m not an economist, and this could probably be longer, but I was just wondering.

Edited.

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fern01  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:01:33pm

re: #168 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Not to defend the Dotard, but that is an old school retweet. He’s questioning why @EDM___HEAD (account suspended by the way) can use ‘nigga’

He used it - if you start a sentence with “not to defend him” you are defending him’

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:01:37pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:03:13pm
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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:03:34pm

re: #260 BigPapa

Imani is solid. One of my fav Twitter peoples. Disappointed in Amy.

I was liberdouchian, for a moment a crass supporter of Palin. It’s amazingly empowering to acknowledge a fault or being wrong and changing your mind for the better.

I think once you’re on the other side of the bridge, you realize it didn’t crumble out from under you when you crossed. But that first step is seriously scary.

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BigPapa  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:04:54pm

re: #265 Patricia Kayden

Why won’t Ms. Suskind just explain herself and state that she has changed since the days when she deluded herself into thinking that Palin would make a good VP?

Pride or ego must be a huge component. It was for me, and I suppose many people choose a team from the outset and consider it weakness to admit you may have chosen wrong. But I think it’s worse to stay wrong.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:05:06pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:05:44pm

re: #268 fern01

He used it - if you start a sentence with “not to defend him” you are defending him’

He didn’t use it, in this case. You can claim he did all you want. But, you’re being a fucking moron

I have no patience for stupidity right now.

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retired cynic  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:06:35pm

re: #267 Belafon

Volcker. Spit.

1973. OPEC wars, and serious fuel price inflation kicking off everything else. Then Reagan lied his way into the seat, and fired the first shot at the unions, and hit the tax cut button.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:08:07pm

I chuckled!

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:08:44pm

re: #275 retired cynic

Volcker. Spit.

1973. OPEC wars, and serious fuel price inflation kicking off everything else. Then Reagan lied his way into the seat, and fired the first shot at the unions, and hit the tax cut button.

Thanks. And I meant to mention OPEC, but I had a kid talking to me while writing it. OPEC’s involvement was something Keynesian economics, which I agree with, definitely failed to take into account.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:09:14pm

re: #276 JordanRules

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I chuckled!

I had to read it a couple of times. LOL.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:09:51pm

Thread…

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:11:21pm

re: #279 JordanRules

Thread…

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And here I was hoping white women on the left would be a lot more different than us white males on the left.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:11:39pm

re: #267 Belafon

Looks to me that wages start going flat in that chart with Nixon.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:13:58pm
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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:14:26pm

I’m very prone to letting the past be the past, but I do think people should have an answer just because it means they’ve thought about it.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:14:44pm

I like Lisa Madigan. Always have. Her dad, too.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:15:49pm

re: #280 Belafon

And here I was hoping white women on the left would be a lot more different than us white males on the left.

* Not all white women, just like not all of us white men.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:16:36pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks to me that wages start going flat in that chart with Nixon.

Remember ‘73 was the year we had double-digit inflation (and not much better in ‘74.) Wage increases didn’t keep pace, and employers realized: “Hey, they don’t have to keep pace!” And they never have since.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:17:28pm
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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:18:40pm
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BigPapa  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:20:58pm

re: #288 JordanRules

For one weak. Because it will teach him and he will change for the better.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:21:16pm

I have been known to pull out a ‘top ‘o the morning to ya’ if the sunrise spirit hits me.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:24:53pm

re: #273 MsJ

Yes I voted for Lucas and Evers today. Felt good. Night all, I’ll have to read through the results tomorrow.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:25:10pm

re: #279 JordanRules

There’s a comment in there that says Suskind is a Bannon supporter as well. I asked for a link.

I’m speechless.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:26:47pm
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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:27:41pm

re: #290 JordanRules

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I have been known to pull out a ‘top ‘o the morning to ya’ if the sunrise spirit hits me.

I say “hey, what’s up?” I love caller ID.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:27:57pm

re: #292 MsJ

There’s a comment in there that says Suskind is a Bannon supporter as well. I asked for a link.

I’m speechless.

I’ve seen that floated too, but haven’t dug any further.

Bannon *shudders*

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jaunte  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:27:59pm

re: #287 JordanRules

Gross.

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retired cynic  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:29:05pm

re: #292 MsJ

There’s a comment in there that says Suskind is a Bannon supporter as well. I asked for a link.

I’m speechless.

I read her weekly Lists of what wasn’t normal. I can’t believe she was a Bannon supporter.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:30:51pm

re: #295 JordanRules

I’ve seen that floated too, but haven’t dug any further.

Bannon *shudders*

This shit really pisses me off. There’s a hostile foreign nation state hitting is with bullshit and we have people (mostly white people like me) sticking up for this Suskind person.

We have to be smarter. And right now, I’m not seeing us being smarter.

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jaunte  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:32:31pm
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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:32:45pm

re: #297 retired cynic

I read her weekly Lists of what wasn’t normal. I can’t believe she was a Bannon supporter.

I’d have never made her for a Palin and Bachmann supporter, either. Yet here we are.

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BigPapa  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:32:58pm

Imani is still spitting the fire and she’s not even trying:

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Kragar  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:35:27pm
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sagehen  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:35:34pm

re: #265 Patricia Kayden

Why won’t Ms. Suskind just explain herself and state that she has changed since the days when she deluded herself into thinking that Palin would make a good VP?

Having a change in one’s politics isn’t unusual. Charles Johnson of this blog and John Cole of Balloon Juice both made changes from rightwing to leftwing.

Bruce Bartlett was part of Reagan’s budget office. He left the R’s when GWB turned out to be a purveyor of big deficits.

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gocart mozart  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:37:05pm

Ha, read the DiMaggio quote at the end of the article.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:37:12pm

re: #298 MsJ

This shit really pisses me off. There’s a hostile foreign nation state hitting is with bullshit and we have people (mostly white people like me) sticking up for this Suskind person.

We have to be smarter. And right now, I’m not seeing us being smarter.

She had so many chances to fix it. Still does, but apparently she likes holes.

I actually do remember folks warning us about her Palin support and anti-Obama past a year or so ago. So I come at this with less surprise and more side-eye about her spin and how she decided to deal with it. You just never know what the tipping point will be and when something will go viral.

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fern01  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:39:14pm

re: #274 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

He didn’t use it, in this case. You can claim he did all you want. But, you’re being a fucking moron

I have no patience for stupidity right now.

He used it - and I didn’t resort to profamity - which is what f .. m..s do

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:41:04pm
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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:42:49pm

re: #303 sagehen

Bruce Bartlett was part of Reagan’s budget office. He left the R’s when GWB turned out to be a purveyor of big deficits.

That’s rare as shit and very commendable!

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:43:07pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Penn Jillette’s hero Ayn Rand said a lot of “racially insensitive” things, but I’ve yet to hear him criticize her.

Though to be fair, during the election he did say Trump was not intelligent enough and way too crude to be president.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:45:41pm
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TedStriker  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:45:47pm
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:49:03pm

Tally ho, lizards!

The late great out of his everloving mind Steve Ditko — Amazing Spider-Man #161
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teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:52:46pm

re: #312 De Kolta Chair

The Fight Song

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:53:29pm

re: #309 De Kolta Chair

Jilette’s hero Ayn Rand said a lot of “racially insensitive” things, but I’ve yet to hear him criticize her.

Though to be fair, during the election, he did say Trump is not intelligent enough and way too crude to be president.

I definitely thought about that and thought he might just skip commenting on it.

But then I am reminded how folks can compartmentalize to continue the delusions and keep part of their ideology in tact.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:53:49pm

Alex Jones suspended from Twitter for a week. Yeah. That’ll teach him!

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:57:43pm
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Interesting Times  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:58:38pm

re: #310 MsJ

Then there’s this:

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2018 • 8:59:52pm

re: #284 MsJ

I like Lisa Madigan. Always have. Her dad, too.

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When I went to Chicago on vacation my hotel was right across the river from Trump’s building; that was a surprise. had a great time in Chicago though!

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:00:42pm

re: #316 MsJ

Can’t wait to celebrate the day the door closes with you!!

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:01:54pm

The reality is that Alex Jones drives lots of hits to Twitter, which is why they exist.

And that is why Twitter will ban a non-name hate-monger, but a really successful one is something that they will not let go easily.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:02:32pm

re: #317 Interesting Times

Then there’s this:

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Grrrr!! Lemme go find some more advertisers to block.
And tell them why in the comments.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:05:02pm

re: #320 freetoken

The reality is that Alex Jones drives lots of hits to Twitter, which is why they exist.

And that is why Twitter will ban a non-name hate-monger, but a really successful one is something that they will not let go easily.

I surely wish we could put some data behind this and figure out how much he really does drive.

I have a feeling it isn’t as great as folks think and we might have to face some uglier possibilities.

I do think your main point still applies though. They will bounce a nobody without second thought.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:07:16pm

re: #318 Big Beautiful Door

When I went to Chicago on vacation my hotel was right across the river from Trump’s building; that was a surprise. had a great time in Chicago though!

My hometown. I love Chicago and always will.

I’m glad you enjoyed it.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:10:40pm

We have fighters Avenatti. Always have.

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Interesting Times  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:10:44pm

re: #322 JordanRules

I have a feeling it isn’t as great as folks think and we might have to face some uglier possibilities.

I wondered about that as well. Do these trumpchump trolls and their grifting overseers really bring in enough traffic to justify legitimate users being chased off the platform, and the platform itself failing to find a buyer? Even if you look at it all in cold-blooded, freakonomic terms, Jack’s actions make no sense (unless, as you say, there are more sinister motives at play…)

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:12:58pm

re: #323 MsJ

My hometown. I love Chicago and always will.

I’m glad you enjoyed it.

It was easy to get around on the buses, great museums, watched the July 4 fireworks over the lake and caught a Cubs game!

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:14:11pm
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William Lewis  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:14:54pm

Good night all, got a busy day of scrounging for help tomorrow. More positive waves, please.

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KGxvi  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:14:54pm

re: #325 Interesting Times

I wondered about that as well. Do these trumpchump trolls and their grifting overseers really bring in enough traffic to justify legitimate users being chased off the platform, and the platform itself failing to find a buyer? Even if you look at it all in cold-blooded, freakonomic terms, Jack’s actions make no sense (unless, as you say, there are more sinister motives at play…)

Twitter has 335 million active users, give or take. Jones has about 890k followers. So, about 0.266% or so?

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:15:46pm

Kris Kobach won the Kansas GOP gubernatorial primary, as Governor Colyer conceded. This is good, because Kobach gives the Democrat the best chance of winning.

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:17:30pm

re: #330 Big Beautiful Door

Are there enough bigots in Kansas to elect Kobach?

Hasn’t he been elected before?

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KGxvi  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:18:11pm

re: #330 Big Beautiful Door

Kris Kobach won the Kansas GOP gubernatorial primary, as Governor Colyer conceded. This is good, because Kobach gives the Democrat the best chance of winning.

Republican poll out last week showed Colyer beating Kelly by about 10 points, but Kelly actually leading Kobach by a point. If Kansas rejects a Trump branded idiot, there might actually be hope for us yet.

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Sea Mexican!  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:22:45pm

There’s something wonky with the karma points between #229 and #230 … From #230 forward, all karma points are in italics. If I press New Comments, the new comments will have normal karma points, but a refresh only makes them all italics from #230 forward.

More info behind the spoiler.

Click to Reveal

I’m in a Mac, browser Chrome, latest version. I see two console errors:

ErrorUtils caught an error: “fburl.com.
reportError @ 09YtC4I6V67.js:60

And,

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“Non-ad earnings has been discontinued. Please remove the code from your webpage.”
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And a warning:

The SSL certificate used to load resources from paypalobjects.com will be distrusted in M70. Once distrusted, users will be prevented from loading these resources. See g.co for more information.

I’m falling asleep, so I can’t be much use right now.

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:23:21pm

Mullah Mohler is lamenting that he’ll never be Pope of America:

In an increasingly secular age, the only churches that will survive are those that are distinctively Christian

[…]

What we are seeing beyond the scope of this article is the breakdown of cultural or nominal Christianity. Cultural Christianity means that there was the dominant cultural expectation that people would identify as Christian. They would attend Christian churches, they would show up at church, they would make sure their children are at church and whether or not they actually attended church regularly or not, they would want you to think that they did. That’s what’s breaking down, that cultural expectation or nominal or minimal Christianity.

[…]

The most important reality concerning this article is the fact that the article appeared. And not only that, appeared in The State, the newspaper of Columbia, South Carolina. The big lesson there is that if it can happen in South Carolina, it can happen anywhere. And more fundamentally, this means that the process of secularization in the modern age is now reaching everywhere. Everywhere, including South Carolina, and most assuredly including wherever you are hearing The Briefing.

Ah yes, the state of SC, the state which made the “Southern” in “Southern Baptist Convention” a thing in national politics way back in 1861.

Mohler is referring to this article: Losing Faith: Why South Carolina is abandoning its churches

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:25:24pm
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KGxvi  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:25:47pm

re: #332 KGxvi

Also worth noting, 17% undecided and 12% for the independent candidate Orman (he won 42% in the senate election four years ago after the Democratic nominee dropped out of the race). Orman is apparently all over the place on his policy positions, so it’s tough to say how that plays out in the general.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:26:21pm

re: #324 JordanRules

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We have fighters Avenatti. Always have.

Avanneti threatened Sewell earlier today. It was offensive.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:27:07pm

re: #331 freetoken

Are there enough bigots in Kansas to elect Kobach?

Hasn’t he been elected before?

Not as Governor, only Secretary of State. But Sam Brownback was, and he’s just as bad.

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MsJ  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:28:19pm

re: #327 JordanRules

That’s pretty indicative of a blue Wave if he won with a D and no name recognition or support.

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Scout  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:29:24pm

re: #238 Belafon

Sarah Palin was an idiot, and McCain picking her smacked of Mondale picking Ferraro.

Just out of curiosity, what was wrong with Geraldine Ferraro?

I was proud to vote for her for vice president.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:31:48pm

I saw a rightwinger touting a poll that a big majority want Mueller to wrap his investigation up. I, too, would love to see him report that Trump conspired with the Russian government and engaged in obstruction of justice before the November mid-terms.

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KGxvi  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:39:12pm

re: #340 Scout

Just out of curiosity, what was wrong with Geraldine Ferraro?

I was proud to voter for her for vice president.

I haven’t studied the 84 election too much (as much as I’ve read on Reagan, 84 tends to get reduced to the “I will not use my opponent’s youth and inexperience against him” moment). But based on some brief research it looks like Ferraro was viewed the same as Palin - something of a gimmick pick, didn’t have a lot of experience (three terms in the House), and then ran into issues with not fully disclosing finances (she and her husband filed taxes separately and they didn’t release his tax returns).

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Scout  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:54:33pm

re: #342 KGxvi

On the other hand, Ferroro was a relatively intelligent, warm and kind-hearted human being.

I would argue Palin is none of those.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 14, 2018 • 9:57:37pm

re: #290 JordanRules

I have caller ID so a lot of times I answer with, “Fuck off”

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:12:17pm

re: #343 Scout

On the other hand, Ferroro was a relatively intelligent, warm and kind-hearted human being.

I would argue Palin is none of those.

Ferraro was pretty nasty in 2008 towards Obama but she was dying of cancer and I think she desperately and understandably wanted to see Hillary complete her legacy so it’s impossible to hold that shit against her.

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mmmirele  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:15:27pm

re: #334 freetoken

Mullah Mohler is lamenting that he’ll never be Pope of America:

In an increasingly secular age, the only churches that will survive are those that are distinctively Christian

Ah yes, the state of SC, the state which made the “Southern” in “Southern Baptist Convention” a thing in national politics way back in 1861.

Mohler is referring to this article: Losing Faith: Why South Carolina is abandoning its churches

Mullah Mohler can get f*d. As long as he continues to give aid and comfort to C.J. Mahaney, who covered up child sexual abuse in the Sovereign Grace Churches, well, Mohler can, again, get f*d. Seriously, he has no fucking right to say a gd thing about morality, not when he and his fellow Southern Baptists had no problem with Paige Patterson. *scowl*

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:15:28pm

This fucking guy.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:16:36pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:18:25pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:21:32pm

re: #347 goddamnedfrank

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mmmirele  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:22:48pm

Oh yeah, and as far as South Carolina Southern Baptists are concerned…holy crap, Mohler is REALLY one to talk. Former missionary Mark Aderholt was arrested last month for sexually assaulting a teen in Texas back in 1997. I’m sure Al knows about this too.

star-telegram.com

Aderholt was working in missions for the South Carolina Baptist Convention and also work with youth at a Southern Baptist Church. Aderholt had also been a missionary with the SBC’s International Mission Board, but even though his victim went to them in 2007, there’s a report, but no evidence that Aderholt was turned in.

My good friend Dee Parsons wrote about this extensively on her blog:

thewartburgwatch.com

Of course Mullah Mohler doesn’t mention this. *scowl*

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Kragar  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:33:29pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:49:54pm

re: #352 Kragar

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Oh, that is high-fuckin’-larry-ous!

I mean: womp womp.

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Kragar  Aug 14, 2018 • 10:54:13pm

re: #353 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:02:09pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:03:40pm

re: #267 Belafon

I’ve been looking for that graph for the longest time; back in the 90s, when I still lived in the US, I was a member of the Socialist Labor Party and their newspaper once featured that chart (dated appropriately, of course) to show that real wages/purchasing power had been steadily declining since the early to mid 1970’s.

Thanks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:11:24pm

re: #356 Dr Lizardo

I’ve been looking for that graph for the longest time; back in the 90s, when I still lived in the US, I was a member of the Socialist Labor Party and their newspaper once featured that chart (dated appropriately, of course) to show that real wages/purchasing power had been steadily declining since the early to mid 1970’s.

Thanks.

Because tax cuts for the rich produce more jobs! We haven’t been cutting taxes enough!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:18:24pm
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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:19:06pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:29:34pm

re: #358 goddamnedfrank

Everyone sees color. The idea that one doesn’t is a ridiculous and dangerous conceit.

“I don’t see color” can only be a valid statement in the sense of “I do not base my decisions about individuals or groups based on color”.

And even that is a rather dangerous conceit for most of us.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:34:37pm

I am deceased.
She is pushing the skinny tummy tea scam like an Instagram “model”.

LMFAO!!

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Kragar  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:42:52pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:45:08pm

re: #361 JordanRules

Looks like Caribou Barbie has found a new grift.

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Kragar  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:51:22pm

Armiger Pattern Knights

Armiger Pattern Knights, also called Armiger-class Knights, are the lightest class of Imperial Knight in use by the Imperium of Man and the Adeptus Mechanicus, usually piloted by Nobles who are of lesser lineage than other Knight pilots. Armiger Knights are long-legged combat walkers designed to strike hard and fast at critical targets. Nimbler than the primary Imperial Knight patterns, these engines of war carry heavy weaponry powerful enough to break a battle line.

The lighter Armiger-class Knights, akin to squires or a hunter’s beaters, are piloted by minor Nobles or elevated household guards. Instead of sitting the full Throne Mechanicum, Armiger pilots don the Helm Mechanicus, a device that allows them to control their Knight but also neurally bonds them to a higher-ranking Noble.

For all their lesser status, however, every Bondsman is a valued member of their household, and every Armiger is still a towering engine of destruction. Armigers typically fight in packs of two or more, and are employed to scout ahead, perform swift flank attacks, and drive the enemy from cover and into the guns of the larger Knights on the orders of their bond-liege.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:53:04pm

re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“I don’t see color” can only be a valid statement in the sense of “I do not base my decisions about individuals or groups based on color”.

And even that is a rather dangerous conceit for most of us.

Yes, because it presumes that all decisions are consciously made. That’s simply not how the human mind works. It is always more responsible to confront color head on and examine how it might be (meaning: is almost certainly) impacting the initial conditions of your cognition.

Especially in this society if you’re lucky enough to be white and therefor occupy a position of intrinsic and historical privilege.

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JordanRules  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:55:53pm

re: #363 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Caribou Barbie has found a new grift.

That she can’t employ a more estimable grift is hilarious and indicative. Like even just a tiny bit less goofy and scammy would make this better. She can’t even manage that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:57:48pm

re: #365 goddamnedfrank

Yes, because it presumes that all decisions are consciously made. That’s simply not how the human mind works.

Our decisions might be conscious, but many of our reactions are at a deeply subconscious level, which is what we have to confront and question on a regular basis.

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sagehen  Aug 14, 2018 • 11:59:02pm

re: #359 JordanRules

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According to Michael Steele, he and someone else (Tim Scott? not sure) forwarded a list of Black Republicans for the transition team, people who’d be willing to go to work in a Trump White House… and it was Omarosa who blocked the entire list from consideration. He says it was entirely her doing that she was the only black person in the building.

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sagehen  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:00:56am

re: #361 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

I am deceased.
She is pushing the skinny tummy tea scam like an Instagram “model”.

LMFAO!!

reminder… Sarah was the one leading the outrage when Michelle Obama tried to suggest that water instead of sugared soda would be a good idea for our kids.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:01:47am

re: #368 sagehen

According to Michael Steele, he and someone else (Tim Scott? not sure) forwarded a list of Black Republicans for the transition team, people who’d be willing to go to work in a Trump White House… and it was Omarosa who blocked the entire list from consideration. He says it was entirely her doing that she was the only black person in the building.

so there are layers and layers of petty ugliness piled on top of petty ugliness here…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:02:22am

re: #369 sagehen

reminder… Sarah was the one leading the outrage when Michelle Obama tried to suggest that water instead of sugared soda would be a good idea for our kids. opened her mouth

ftfy

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:03:53am

re: #368 sagehen

According to Michael Steele, he and someone else (Tim Scott? not sure) forwarded a list of Black Republicans for the transition team, people who’d be willing to go to work in a Trump White House… and it was Omarosa who blocked the entire list from consideration. He says it was entirely her doing that she was the only black person in the building.

Sounds very much like her and very much like a racist admin that would make her the only conduit for diverse voices.
“But, but, but we couldn’t find anyone else…”
The lament of many a whitewashed rooms of power.

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:12:37am

Anybody ever have to like a tweet multiple times?
I swear I have liked it at least 4 times. It will pop back up on my timeline and show that I retweeted, but not liked.
So strange.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:23:45am

re: #372 JordanRules

Sounds very much like her and very much like a racist admin that would make her the only conduit for diverse voices.
“But, but, but we couldn’t find anyone else…”
The lament of many a whitewashed rooms of power.

They only wanted a black person there so they could claim not to be racist.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:24:24am

re: #372 JordanRules

Sounds very much like her and very much like a racist admin that would make her the only conduit for diverse voices.
“But, but, but we couldn’t find anyone else…”
The lament of many a whitewashed rooms of power.

Exactly, it served both their purposes. Trump clearly didn’t want other black people around him and Omorosa obviously wanted to jealously guard her unique position within the White House. Trump literally said he tolerated her presence and instructed Kelly to work it out with her “because she only said GREAT things about me.” I mean he just flat out said the only thing he truly values in White House staff is abject obsequiousness and their ability to feed his insatiable narcissism. I get that we obviously all know this by now but it’s still noticeably fucked up how most of the press is just collectively ignoring that overt admission.

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Kragar  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:53:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 12:55:42am

re: #376 Kragar

Gun activist profiled by Fox News gets arrested for a hate crime after threatening a black woman at gunpoint

We can assume he thought he was just Standing His Ground and exercising his 1st and 2nd Amendment rights.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 15, 2018 • 1:28:48am

re: #330 Big Beautiful Door

Kris Kobach won the Kansas GOP gubernatorial primary, as Governor Colyer conceded. This is good, because Kobach gives the Democrat the best chance of winning.

In Kansas? It would be amazing if Democrats can win in such a bright red state. I’d be shocked if that happened though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 15, 2018 • 1:39:13am

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This is sick:
Nebraska carries out first US execution using opioid fentanyl

Moore was 21 when he committed the murders. He was 60 at the time of his execution. He had effectively spent his entire adult life on death row. Conservative death penalty advocates continue their grotesque search for new methods, which is really about dodging the “cruel and unusual” admonition in the Constitution. Drug companies understandably want nothing to do with this, so several states, starting with Oklahoma, have decided to start asphyxiating the condemned with nitrogen gas.

They did not just use Fentanyl, they also used Valium (used for calming nerves, insomnia, and epilepsy).

There is more to this story about yesterday’s human experimentation here.

Then Governor Dave Heineman (R) tried to get drugs for execution of the very few convicts on Nebraska’s death row. He could not, and got entangled in an alleged international crime of importing “drug samples” from India to be used for executions. (UPS in India tipped off the Drug Enforcement Agency to the shipment, and lots of our tax money was flushed down the toilet because it would seem there is no law a conservative will break.)

Before the 2014 election, Sen. Ernie Chambers (I-Omaha) introduced a bill (which he’s done many times in the past) to abolish the death penalty, partly because of that fiasco. Unlike previous versions of the bill, he was able to convince a majority of Republicans in the Unicameral to not only vote for his bill, but override Gov. Heineman’s veto. The death penalty stood abolished in Nebraska.

Fast forward to 2016. Pete Ricketts, running for governor as a Republican, financed out of his own pocket a referendum to put to the voters to reinstate the death penalty. The GOP and dark money financiers went all out blanketing the state in fear mongering adverts on all these evil criminals will break out of prison and kill everyone from Omaha to Scottsbluff. Dammit, he’s rich, he’s conservative, and no one is going to take his right to sign death warrants away from him.

Hence the referendum … “out of touch politicians in Lincoln don’t really represent you” was also a feature of the adverts.

The advertising campaign was successful, as the voters passed the referendum and reinstated the death penalty. However, no drug company would sell the state the drugs for its “humane” executions.

Like any conservative position, it cannot stand on its own merits, however. Thus like other death penalty states where they are getting pushback from both anti-death penalty opponents and drug companies, the state passed a law to prohibit knowing where your tax money is going to obtain the drugs. (This has the added benefit of hiding such things as Dave Heineman’s using tax money to buy drugs in India.)

A suit is going forward to have the law declared unconstitutional … while the man in question has been executed, the point still remains that the state is secretly spending tax money, thus the case still proceeds. In the meantime, human experimentation can now proceed under “compassionate conservatism,” and probably people with epilepsy in this state who use Valium as their anticonvulsant are suddenly going to have trouble getting their medication. (I fully expect the state to try Phenobarbital next, putting my own medication at risk, as it was when Virginia and Oklahoma executed prisoners with it. After all, what’s a few thousand people with a pre-existing condition when we have executions to do?)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 1:42:35am

re: #379 Anymouse 🌹

The Death Penalty is a sick thing in and of itself, and there is no way to carry it out without being touched by its inherent sickness.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 15, 2018 • 1:45:05am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Death Penalty is a sick thing in and of itself, and there is no way to carry it out without being touched by its inherent sickness.

I agree. My wife switched her position on the death penalty (she formerly supported it) over the increasing number of people who have been exonerated from convictions with new evidence, and the drug fiasco under our former governor sealed the deal for her.

She stumped around town against Pete Ricketts’s referendum. (I don’t know how effective it was, but one of her points was Ricketts was trying to buy the right to kill people.)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 15, 2018 • 1:55:59am

re: #379 Anymouse 🌹

Washington still has the death penalty. I haven’t read about any difficulties the State may be having obtaining the drugs because it’s been so long since they executed anyone, but apparently vets can’t get them.

The last time we had a pet put to sleep—1994, maybe?—it was just instantaneous; but when I had to take our cat Pumpkin in a couple of years ago, it took a couple of minutes and a syringe change, injecting…I’m guessing potassium, till his heart stopped?

I’ve never told my girlfriend that, but I’ll never forget it, and Killer is 16 now….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 1:58:17am

re: #382 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The last time we had a pet put to sleep—1994, maybe?—it was just instantaneous; but when I had to take our cat Pumpkin in a couple of years ago, it took a couple of minutes and a syringe change, injecting…I’m guessing potassium, till his heart stopped?

I have never thought about keeping a pet, but I realize that if I were to take a puppy or kitten on now, it could well outlive me…

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 15, 2018 • 2:07:23am

re: #382 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Washington still has the death penalty. I haven’t read about any difficulties the State may be having obtaining the drugs because it’s been so long since they executed anyone, but apparently vets can’t get them.

The last time we had a pet put to sleep—1994, maybe?—it was just instantaneous; but when I had to take our cat Pumpkin in a couple of years ago, it took a couple of minutes and a syringe change, injecting…I’m guessing potassium, till his heart stopped?

I’ve never told my girlfriend that, but I’ll never forget it, and Killer is 16 now….

When Felix Randomkitty died, the veterinarian used a vet version of Seconal (I asked her). Seconal is a short-term, fast-acting barbiturate with many uses including insomnia, anaesthesia, and epilepsy.

I think the reason that Oklahoma and Virginia went with Phenobarbital (a long-lasting barbiturate) is because it is much less commonly used today, so it would be “less controversial” if only a few thousand people with epilepsy nationwide were affected. Seconal is a much more effective drug for the purpose of state-sanctioned murders, but affects a bunch more people if the drug company pulls it from the market in death penalty states.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 15, 2018 • 2:13:54am

My discussion of barbiturates reminded me I didn’t take my medication today. (Oops.)

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Scout  Aug 15, 2018 • 2:40:09am

This is a pretty interesting article:
Facebook is ‘a surveillance system,’ sci-fi author Cory Doctorow says

The trait that Facebook helped identify, Doctorow said, was racism.

“There were, as it turned out, a bunch of Americans who were latent white supremacists who were willing to vote for a liar profiteer if he would promise to be mean to black and brown people,” Doctorow said. “They were pretty thinly distributed, but the electoral system was so gerrymandered and in such a fragile equilibrium that anyone who could even bring out a small number of nonvoters stood a pretty good chance of winning

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Scout  Aug 15, 2018 • 2:41:55am

re: #382 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Washington still has the death penalty. I haven’t read about any difficulties the State may be having obtaining the drugs because it’s been so long since they executed anyone, but apparently vets can’t get them.

I thought Washington state used hanging, but it turns out that’s only if the convicted doesn’t want lethal injection.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 2:52:17am

re: #386 Scout

This is a pretty interesting article:
Facebook is ‘a surveillance system,’ sci-fi author Cory Doctorow says

I have scrubbed my FB profile of most information and I post nothing unless I am okay with the whole world seeing it.

And I do not run any apps or “like” anything, even if I like it.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2018 • 2:53:23am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Death Penalty is a sick thing in and of itself, and there is no way to carry it out without being touched by its inherent sickness.

The best cinematic depiction of the death penalty was, for me, in Clint Eastwood’s film Changeling. The 1930 hanging of Gordon Northcott for the Wineville chicken coop murders.

It is unflinching and genuinely disturbing to watch. It’s almost perfect cinematic realism and I’m quite sure inspired by the film In Cold Blood. It can be found on YouTube; I won’t post it here.

As much as I generally view capital punishment with a great deal of disdain, there are some crimes so monstrous and abhorrent that in those extremely rare cases, well, let’s just say I reserve the right to withhold my sympathies for the condemned.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 15, 2018 • 2:55:12am

re: #387 Scout

I thought Washington state used hanging, but it turns out that’s only if the convicted doesn’t want lethal injection.

Yeah, it’s the choice of the prisoner. The one guy they’ve been wanting to execute for many years now argues that he’s so heavy that a hanging would decapitate him, which is cruel and/or unusual. I guess he refused to say: “OK, I’ll settle for lethal injection” when that became the primary method….

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:00:58am

re: #390 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, it’s the choice of the prisoner. The one guy they’ve been wanting to execute for many years now argues that he’s so heavy that a hanging would decapitate him, which is cruel and/or unusual. I guess he refused to say: “OK, I’ll settle for lethal injection” when that became the primary method….

The last person hanged in WA was the kiddie rapist/serial killer Westley Allan Dodd in 1993. IIRC, it was at his request.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:04:08am

re: #386 Scout

This is a pretty interesting article:
Facebook is ‘a surveillance system,’ sci-fi author Cory Doctorow says

Already being swarmed by wingers in the comments.

The author is correct, though perhaps Zuckerberg didn’t mean it to be used that way. Typical of a lot of tech gurus, the excuse is simply “we just invent stuff, it’s up to other people to work out the ethics of it, we can’t be bothered.”

Zuck, Dorsey, and others have convinced people they “must” have their services, without doing a damn thing to police them. (I’m reminded of my sister-in-law’s death last year; my sister sent out an announcement on Facebook for the funeral then was confused when none of our family showed up … she is the only one in our family on Facebook and had forgotten her only contacts there are her coworkers, friends, and “friends” she’s never met in her life. She could have done the same thing with an E-mail or GASP a telephone call.)

Dorsey said as much the other day, claiming it’s journalists’ jobs to debunk bad information on his platform, not Dorsey’s job to prevent bad actors from using it in the first place. (If it’s free, you’re the product.)

It was entirely predictable that targeted advertising could be used on Facebook for redlining minorities, &c. Such platforms provide a tech version of Jim Crow.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:08:27am

re: #391 Dr Lizardo

The last person hanged in WA was the kiddie rapist/serial killer Westley Allan Dodd in 1993. IIRC, it was at his request.

IMO, after not being used for 25 years, a punishment, whether it’s “cruel” or not, has definitely become unusual—and the Constitution prohibits “cruel or unusual punishments”, not “cruel and unusual” like most people misquote it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:09:38am

re: #389 Dr Lizardo

(cut)

As much as I generally view capital punishment with a great deal of disdain, there are some crimes so monstrous and abhorrent that in those extremely rare cases, well, let’s just say I reserve the right to withhold my sympathies for the condemned.

I can withhold sympathy for the convict while still opposing the method of vengeance.

It fails as a deterrent (most of the death penalty states also fall in the category of highest murder rates). Moreover, once you’ve killed a single person which might warrant the death penalty, they can’t punish you more for killing more. (Aside from the issue that even in the most heinous crimes, they might convict the wrong person, and heinousness of crimes is used to dehumanise the convict, making it harder for an innocent person to gain sympathy to their case.)

That is the reason the death penalty was abolished for rape: If you commit a rape in a state that carried the death penalty for it, then there was no need to leave a witness alive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:27:10am

re: #393 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

IMO, after not being used for 25 years, a punishment, whether it’s “cruel” or not, has definitely become unusual—and the Constitution prohibits “cruel or unusual punishments”, not “cruel and unusual” like most people misquote it.

therefore you arguments against the death penalty are invalid. now bring back the guillotine

/

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:29:30am

re: #394 Anymouse 🌹

I can withhold sympathy for the convict while still opposing the method of vengeance.

It fails as a deterrent (most of the death penalty states also fall in the category of highest murder rates). Moreover, once you’ve killed a single person which might warrant the death penalty, they can’t punish you more for killing more. (Aside from the issue that even in the most heinous crimes, they might convict the wrong person, and heinousness of crimes is used to dehumanise the convict, making it harder for an innocent person to gain sympathy to their case.)

That is the reason the death penalty was abolished for rape: If you commit a rape in a state that carried the death penalty for it, then there was no need to leave a witness alive.

That’s a point well-taken. In any event, the death penalty for rape is certainly over-the-top, at least in my opinion.

For mass murders, serial killings, and the like - and provided there is 100% slam-dunk evidence that the accused did in fact commit the crime - then it’s something I’m willing to tolerate, even though I regard it as primitive. Granted, it’s nothing that can’t be solved with a simple sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, which is an entirely acceptable outcome for me as well. Or, as in the case of someone like Ed Gein, lifetime confinement to a mental hospital.

There’s one serial killer who was sentenced to death (though he ultimately took his own life) in which I personally found the death penalty to be entirely an inappropriate sentence; the case of Richard Trenton Chase, the Vampire of Sacramento. If you read up on the case, it’s obvious, to me at least, that he was profoundly mentally ill. Even though it was determined that he was not legally insane (hence the death sentence), if I’d been the prosecutor in that case, I would’ve sought lifetime confinement in a mental institution.

On the other hand, there’s the Tool-Box Killers (Lawrence Bittaker and his accomplice, Roy Norris) whose crimes were so abhorrent that I’d be fine with either life imprisonment or death. In that case, the audio recording of their 1979 kidnapping, torture and murder of Shirley Ledford is used by the FBI Academy to both train and desensitize FBI agents to the raw reality of torture and murder. By all accounts, it’s horrifying beyond words - indeed, Detective Paul Bynum, the chief investigator, committed suicide in December 1987; he was 39 years old. In his suicide note, Bynum specifically referred to the murders committed by Bittaker and Norris as haunting him, and of his fear they may somehow one day be released from prison. Stephen Kay, the prosecutor at Bittaker’s trial, still considers the murders committed by Bittaker and Norris as being the worst criminal case he has ever prosecuted or even encountered, and insists that Bittaker deserves to be executed more than any other inmate on California’s Death Row. In interviews, he’s stated that for two years following Bittaker’s trial, his sleep was disturbed by recurring nightmares in which he would be rushing to Bittaker’s van to prevent harm from coming to the victims, but would “always get there too late.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:36:08am

Advanced gooberism: Dumbass shoots an AR-15 out a car window, with predictable results.

Facebook Video

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:39:53am

re: #396 Dr Lizardo

(cut for brevity)

On the other hand, there’s the Tool-Box Killers (Lawrence Bittaker and his accomplice, Roy Norris) whose crimes were so abhorrent that I’d be fine with either life imprisonment or death. In that case, the audio recording of their 1979 kidnapping, torture and murder of Shirley Ledford is used by the FBI Academy to both train and desensitize FBI agents to the raw reality of torture and murder. By all accounts, it’s horrifying beyond words - indeed, Detective Paul Bynum, the chief investigator, committed suicide in December 1987; he was 39 years old. In his suicide note, Bynum specifically referred to the murders committed by Bittaker and Norris as haunting him, and of his fear they may somehow one day be released from prison. Stephen Kay, the prosecutor at Bittaker’s trial, still considers the murders committed by Bittaker and Norris as being the worst criminal case he has ever prosecuted or even encountered, and insists that Bittaker deserves to be executed more than any other inmate on California’s Death Row. In interviews, he’s stated that for two years following Bittaker’s trial, his sleep was disturbed by recurring nightmares in which he would be rushing to Bittaker’s van to prevent harm from coming to the victims, but would “always get there too late.”

I was unfamiliar with that case, so I had to hunt it down at Wikipedia, the font of all human ken [citation needed].

In the opening paragraphs of the article on the case is this nugget:

Norris accepted a plea bargain whereby he agreed to testify against Bittaker and was sentenced to life imprisonment on May 7, 1980, with possibility of parole after serving 30 years. He is currently incarcerated at Richard J. Donovan Correctional Facility

Perhaps that possibility of parole is part of what drives the fellow’s nightmares of which you speak. Both men were guilty of the murders, but one of them got a different sentence (death) than the other (jail with possibility of parole).

It might be they could not have cracked the case without his testimony (one of the excuses given by conservatives to maintain the death penalty is it can be used as a tool as leverage for a confession or testimony). Jailing both men for the rest of their lives would serve the same purpose as execution (take them out of society, with the bonus of spending less money on death penalty appeals, something that would be fiscally conservative so naturally conservatives are against that).

The “save money” idea is what Sen. Ernie Chambers here ultimately used to convince his conservative colleagues to vote against the death penalty here.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:41:33am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2018 • 3:44:10am

re: #398 Anymouse 🌹

Norris never should’ve been offered the possibility of parole, IMHO. Life sentence - and that’s that.

Of course, it could - and probably will - turn out to be the same case as the “possibility of parole” offered to Charles Manson……in other words, “LOL dawg, like you’re ever getting out!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 15, 2018 • 4:02:30am

I got sidetracked in the black hole which is YouTube.

After Ray Comfort was so famously pwned (why is pwned in my browser’s dictionary) over the “creation by God” of bananas, convicted felon Kent Hovind is getting beat up over his claim of “created” broccoli. Doubling down, he then claims in a new video that celery was created. (We know where modern celery came from - though variants of the plant’s seeds have even been found in the Pyramids and in China, the modern version was cultivated in the XIX Century in Michigan.)

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2018 • 4:03:55am

re: #401 Anymouse 🌹

I got sidetracked in the black hole which is YouTube.

After Ray Comfort was so famously pwned (why is pwned in my browser’s dictionary) over the “creation by God” of bananas, convicted felon Kent Hovind is getting beat up over his claim of “created” broccoli. Doubling down, he then claims in a new video that celery was created. (We know where modern celery came from - though variants of the plant’s seeds have even been found in the Pyramids and in China, the modern version was cultivated in the XIX Century in Michigan.)

That’s really all they’ve got - doubling-down.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:00:11am

Horrific

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:23:36am

Fuck. Kobach likely wins. How in god’s name….

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Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:29:49am

re: #404 Barefoot Grin

Fuck. Kobach likely wins. How in god’s name….

[Embedded content]

Because Kansas has a long and proud track record of voting against their best interests.

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:34:20am

This cartoon is probably spot-on: dailykos.com (I wish I could copy it over at work, but I can’t.)

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:35:26am

re: #369 sagehen

reminder… Sarah was the one leading the outrage when Michelle Obama tried to suggest that water instead of sugared soda would be a good idea for our kids.

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:35:28am

re: #404 Barefoot Grin

Maybe Kelly can run around the state like Beto is doing here in Texas.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:39:36am

re: #407 MsJ

I was wondering what Half Gov Sarah was doing with herself these days.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:42:06am

re: #399 Dave In Austin

Verified account?

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:43:27am

re: #410 Sir John Barron

Verified account?

Note the NOT in the handle.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:49:24am

re: #361 JordanRules

Tip o’the day: I exchanged pop & sugary drinks for my @teamiblends skinny tea awhile ago & it’s been giving me all the energy I need without the coffee/sugar crash later on! I love it! To try it use code - 15SP and get it here -teamiblends.com #thankyouteami #teamipartner pic.twitter.com

— Sarah Palin

Hi Sarah, has your account been hacked by someone spamming some tea drink?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:50:16am

re: #411 MsJ

Note the NOT in the handle.

Ah, yes, I see it now.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:56:49am

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Pottery Barn progressives.

This is rather catchy.

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:58:21am

re: #340 Scout

Just out of curiosity, what was wrong with Geraldine Ferraro?

I was proud to vote for her for vice president.

Nothing wrong with her, but try to convince me she was picked for anything more than to make an edgy choice at the time.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 5:58:31am

re: #288 JordanRules

Ah, yes, the temporary ban.

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b.d.(great patriot hostage)  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:02:13am

RED WAVE!!!!

Does he not know that a republican winning a republican primary is not a win for the GOP?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:03:36am

re: #241 gocart mozart

Sarah Sanders attacks media for giving too big of a platform to someone who doesn’t have credibility.

— Manu Raju

Meaning Omarosa? The Omarosa who worked at the WH as a senior aid to the POTUS?

//

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:05:49am

re: #399 Dave In Austin

The name is misspelled. I’ve noticed that Strzok has a blue check now.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:06:16am

re: #417 b.d.

Great Republican election results last night. So far we have the team we want. 8 for 9 in Special Elections. Red Wave!

— Donald J. Trump

Is DJT not counting the Alabama senate race or the Conor Lamb race in PA?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:07:20am

re: #417 b.d.

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RED WAVE!!!!

Does he not know that a republican winning a republican primary is not a win for the GOP?

In Kansas it is…

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William Lewis  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:07:42am

re: #351 mmmirele

Oh yeah, and as far as South Carolina Southern Baptists are concerned…holy crap, Mohler is REALLY one to talk. Former missionary Mark Aderholt was arrested last month for sexually assaulting a teen in Texas back in 1997. I’m sure Al knows about this too.

star-telegram.com

Aderholt was working in missions for the South Carolina Baptist Convention and also work with youth at a Southern Baptist Church. Aderholt had also been a missionary with the SBC’s International Mission Board, but even though his victim went to them in 2007, there’s a report, but no evidence that Aderholt was turned in.

My good friend Dee Parsons wrote about this extensively on her blog:

thewartburgwatch.com

Of course Mullah Mohler doesn’t mention this. *scowl*

The reality is that in the end most of these “Christians” don’t act even slightly Christian. Why should anyone follow them? Don’t talk about pie in the sky, tell them how you’re going to make their lives better NOW. That’s the real way of the Christ.

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:10:34am

re: #421 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In Kansas it is…

In 2016, Kansas Democrats made the most gains in representation in their states’ legislature of any state. Chris Reeve, who you can find over at Daily Kos, has been doing a great job organizing in that state.

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b.d.(great patriot hostage)  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:19:59am

Trump is sending out duplicate tweets this morning?

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wheat-dogg  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:20:48am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks to me that wages start going flat in that chart with Nixon.

Also not an economist, but the divide happens about the same time Nixon took the USA completely off the gold standard, and all national currencies were traded according to the free market. Is that causation or correlation?

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:24:37am

re: #425 wheat-dogg

Also not an economist, but the divide happens about the same time Nixon took the USA completely off the gold standard, and all national currencies were traded according to the free market. Is that causation or correlation?

That way lies madness. Coincidence breeds conspiracy ideas.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:25:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:26:10am

re: #425 wheat-dogg

Also not an economist, but the divide happens about the same time Nixon took the USA completely off the gold standard, and all national currencies were traded according to the free market. Is that causation or correlation?

It was also the time that trade unions went into decline, at least in the USA.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:29:03am

re: #427 Patricia Kayden

We should have voter IDs everywhere. Very easy to get!

Govs close DMV’s, voting locations in poor, minority areas, purge voting rolls.

Too much money, wasteful gov spending. Less government. Too many people vote anyway.

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:35:05am

re: #428 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was also the time that trade unions went into decline, at least in the USA.

That was my original question way up high: How much of the decline was due to weakening of unions and how much was due to our mishandling of inflation, because the disconnect between wages and productivity began during the Nixon administration and not Reagan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:36:55am

re: #430 Belafon

That was my original question way up high: How much of the decline was due to weakening of unions and how much was due to our mishandling of inflation, because the disconnect between wages and productivity began during the Nixon administration and not Reagan.

That was also the end of cheap oil, leading to a decline in the value of the dollar in overseas trade. It is all interconnected…manufacturing declined, wages stagnated and prices rose.

Then we were sold under the notion that cutting taxes to a minimum would maximize economic growth

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:38:12am

Fox noise person shows how stupid she is. I wish these people would stop embarrassing the US.

“Just to be clear, I was never implying that conditions in Denmark were similar in any way to the current tragedy on the ground there in Venezuela,” she said. “I was merely pointing out, using reports from The Atlantic, The Independent and other publications, that socialism is not the way.”

Regan, who has also worked as an anchor at Bloomberg Television, drew puzzled responses from members of the Danish government for appearing to suggest that the country was an economic failure for what she characterized as its socialist policies.

(Danish Finance Minister Kristian) Jensen retorted that Danes work “much more than Americans,” citing OECD statistics, and pointed to the country’s high ranking in most work-life-balance studies. He and Lose invited Regan to come to Denmark to experience its economic model first hand.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:42:04am

re: #432 MsJ

“Just to be clear, I was never implying that conditions in Denmark were similar in any way to the current tragedy on the ground there in Venezuela,” she said. “I was merely pointing out, using reports from The Atlantic, The Independent and other publications, that socialism is not the way.”

“I didn’t mean to imply that Denmark like all other Socialist countries is a bankrupt basketcase I only meant to point out that, as all these other magazines agree with me that Socialist countries like Denmark are bankrupt basketcases.”

/

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wheat-dogg  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:49:06am

re: #426 Unshaken Defiance

That way lies madness. Coincidence breeds conspiracy ideas.

So, you’re saying it’s not an Illuminati/Bilderbeger/globalist conspiracy to capture all the world’s money and form a One World Government ruled by reptilians?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:49:51am

re: #433 Sir John Barron

“I didn’t mean to imply that Denmark like all other Socialist countries is a bankrupt basketcase I only meant to point out that, as all these other magazines agree with me that Socialist countries like Denmark are bankrupt basketcases.”

/

Socilism is evil, corrupt and a failure. That is RW doctrine. Facts are irrelevant except those which can be isolated from context to support their point.

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jeffreyw  Aug 15, 2018 • 6:50:22am

Imgur


Good morning!

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:04:17am

Literally the Minority Report.

“It’s kind of like this expedited version of the school-to-prison pipeline by having this extrajudicial system operating exclusively through the school,” said Hannah Comstock of the ACLU, which was among the plaintiff’s counsel. But, the lawsuit states, young people generally opt into the program without legal counsel present and without a full grasp of their rights—information they would learn if these contracts were established through the courts.

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:05:59am

LOL!

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lizardofid  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:11:13am

re: #432 MsJ

Fox noise person shows how stupid she is. I wish these people would stop embarrassing the US.

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I followed the links to the video of her original rant. I had to laugh, her first “point” about Denmark was the “56 percent top tax rate”. During the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s, (the era many of my peers consider to be the “good old days”), the top rate in the US never dipped below 70 percent.

Oh, and good morning!

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:11:19am

re: #437 MsJ

Literally the Minority Report.

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God, this is just sick.

In a YAT presentation recounted in the book Psyche-Soul-ology: An Inspirational Approach to Appreciating and Understanding Troubled Kids, Debbie Waddell, a former senior probation officer, was quoted as saying that YAT is used to “get them into the system by fingerprinting and photographing them. We can search their homes any time we want and work to obtain evidence against them so that when we can get ‘em, we can really get ‘em!” Former Deputy District Attorney Anthony Villalobos, who participated in the same presentation, also explained, “We can do all kinds of surveillance, including wire taps on phones, without having to get permission from a judge.”

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ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:15:05am

re: #436 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Morning…

Is that Chip Munk making a first time appearance at Jeffrey’s Fly In Diner?

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Teukka  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:16:24am

In which a Fox News anchor causes an incident with a NATO ally:

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danarchy  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:20:35am

re: #438 MsJ

LOL!

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As amusing as it is, it is unfortunately completely fake.

snopes.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:22:38am

re: #383 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have never thought about keeping a pet, but I realize that if I were to take a puppy or kitten on now, it could well outlive me…

There are other pet options.
Rats live 1.5-2.5 years.
Hedgehogs live 2.5-5 years
Guinea pigs live 4 - 8 years

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dangerman  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:25:19am

re: #435 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Socilism is evil, corrupt and a failure. That is RW doctrine. Facts are irrelevant except those which can be isolated from context to support their point.

to most people these days socialism means my tax money going to things i dont want - especially social programs that benefit ‘other people’

and also

‘the government’ regulating things i don’t want regulated (health care, education, environment)

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:30:41am

re: #443 danarchy

As amusing as it is, it is unfortunately completely fake.

snopes.com

Honestly, that makes it even funnier. LOL!!

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:31:09am

re: #444 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

There are other pet options.
Rats live 1.5-2.5 years.
Hedgehogs live 2.5-5 years
Guinea pigs live 4 - 8 years

Guinea pigs ROCK! They are so amusing and do some of the funniest stuff.

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dangerman  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:31:55am

re: #443 danarchy

As amusing as it is, it is unfortunately completely fake.

snopes.com

i
dont
care

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:33:58am
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jeffreyw  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:35:08am

re: #441 ObserverArt

Is that Chip Munk making a first time appearance at Jeffrey’s Fly In Diner?

I can confirm the chipmunk has started to show up at the picnic. He may be there not only for the peanuts, but for the companionship. Alas, I think he may have misinterpreted some flirtatious tweets.

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:36:51am

Here’s hoping every single person in trump’s orbit goes down.

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:37:00am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:39:10am

I know they won’t see these, but…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:43:11am

re: #449 JordanRules

The Rigged Russian Witch Hunt goes on and on as the “originators and founders” of this scam continue to be fired and demoted for their corrupt and illegal activity. All credibility is gone from this terrible Hoax, and much more will be lost as it proceeds. No Collusion!

— Donald J. Trump

Donny Junior was fired for his corrupt and illegal collusion meeting?

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:45:39am
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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:45:49am

re: #449 JordanRules

The Putin version: “The Witch Hunt goes on, as the “originators and founders” of this scam continue to slip in their bathtubs and fall out of their windows. All credibility is gone from this terrible Hoax, and much more will be lost as it proceeds.”

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lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:51:39am

re: #420 Sir John Barron

He’s counting GOP primaries.

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:52:33am

I really want to go back to the other alternate universe where we knew good vs evil players.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:57:32am

re: #456 MsJ

By my count, four GOP primary candidates this cycle have found themselves on the defensive for criticizing Trump *over the Access Hollywood tape.*

This is what counts as a badge of shame in today’s GOP.

So some GOPers do have shame after all. Not about the right things, of course, but they are capable of shame. /

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austin_blue  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:58:48am

re: #443 danarchy

As amusing as it is, it is unfortunately completely fake.

snopes.com

Yeah, I figured that when he grabbed the Trash Panda and didn’t get his face ripped off.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 7:59:31am

re: #456 MsJ

“These candidates failed to stand by DJT when he made disgusting and immoral comments when the SCOTUS was on the line so conservatives can…rid America of disgusting and immoral things.”

///

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dangerman  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:00:29am

re: #459 MsJ

I really want to go back to the other alternate universe where we knew good vs evil players.

Probably a good night to remind everyone that Trump is the first President in over 100 years not to have a dog.

He doesn’t like dogs. That says a lot.

considering his tweet history, he may not have ever seen an actual face licking puppy dog

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:02:00am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:03:43am

Every Republican running in a Primary won yesterday. Bigly! Red Wave!

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:04:23am

re: #463 dangerman

considering his tweet history, he may not have ever seen an actual face licking puppy dog

Because dogs are generally a good judge of character. If you cannot get a dog to like you, you are genuinely a horrible person.

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austin_blue  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:05:08am

The Dow is down 300.

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gocart mozart  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:07:32am
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Teukka  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:07:45am

re: #466 MsJ

Because dogs are generally a good judge of character. If you cannot get a dog to like you, you are genuinely a horrible person.

Not meaning to brag, but when I visit dog households, I often end up scritching them in a sofa. If I sleep over, at least one plops into bed with me (often it’s one at my feet, the other beside me). Even if I don’t know them from before. What does that mean?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:12:12am

re: #438 MsJ

LOL!

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And the report says that the unconscious raccoon attacked while driving! #AnimalsAreSmarterThanWeThink

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:17:26am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:19:21am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

Oh, AJ’s not really serious, he’s just funnin’ with his listeners who know it’s all not real.

////

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:19:43am

re: #469 Teukka

Not meaning to brag, but when I visit dog households, I often end up scritching them in a sofa. If I sleep over, at least one plops into bed with me (often it’s one at my feet, the other beside me). Even if I don’t know them from before. What does that mean?

You need to change your aftershave.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:21:41am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

Who are “Chicom operatives”? I don’t really want to know, do I?

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:22:40am

re: #474 Sir John Barron

Who are “Chicom operatives”? I don’t really want to know, do I?

I had to go look it up.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:22:56am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:23:30am

re: #474 Sir John Barron

Who are “Chicom operatives”? I don’t really want to know, do I?

If you don’t know, they’ve already gotten to you.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:23:51am

re: #474 Sir John Barron

Who are “Chicom operatives”? I don’t really want to know, do I?

A firearm in Call of Duty? ign.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:24:06am

re: #474 Sir John Barron

Who are “Chicom operatives”? I don’t really want to know, do I?

Chinese Communists.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:25:12am

re: #479 The Vicious Babushka

Chinese Communists.

Though these days, I wouldn’t be surprised of rwnj mean “Chicago Communists.”

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:26:23am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

I tried reading the three paragraphs MM quoted and…it sounds like AJ’s off his meds, or needs to start them.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:27:52am

re: #481 Sir John Barron

I tried reading the three paragraphs MM quoted and…it sounds like AJ’s off his meds, or needs to start them.

Somebody in a coma could string together three paragraphs that are more coherent than what AJ just slobbered out.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:28:14am

re: #467 austin_blue

The Dow is down 300.

Oil is plunging as well. Cheaper gas!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:29:49am

re: #481 Sir John Barron

I tried reading the three paragraphs MM quoted and…it sounds like AJ’s off his meds, or needs to start them.

Needs to start them. He built an empire of bullshit, and it’s all falling down around him.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:31:10am

re: #484 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

AJ:

They think they can really take down America. And this is it. So, people need to have their battle rifles and everything ready at their bedsides and you got to be ready because the media is so disciplined in their deception. Antifa attacked all these people at the White House, beat up reporters, beat up women, children, no coverage. And they’ve got discipline folks, they’ve got criminal discipline because they’re a bunch of followers.

Translation: AJ is upset that Sunday’s Nazi rally was a bust.

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:31:55am

re: #475 Belafon

I had to go look it up.

And….?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:32:34am

re: #485 Sir John Barron

Antifa attacked all these people at the White House, beat up reporters, beat up women, children, no coverage. And they’ve got discipline folks, they’ve got criminal discipline because they’re a bunch of followers.

If the media, reporters, are the “enemy of the people”, isn’t beating them up good?

////

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:33:47am

If Trump staffers signed these dubious NDA’s I’m not sure the press should be inviting them on their shows anymore.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:34:16am

re: #476 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I tweeted at Jack and Twitter yesterday and was in put in a 12 hour timeout.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:35:35am

re: #489 Dr. Matt

I tweeted at Jack and Twitter yesterday and was in put in a 12 hour timeout.

Did you say a “bad word”? Fascists will not tolerate foul language.

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:35:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:35:44am

re: #488 JordanRules

If Trump staffers signed these dubious NDA’s I’m not sure the press should be inviting them on their shows anymore.

It has been established that government employees are only required to maintain confidentiality of classified information.

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:38:51am

re: #492 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It has been established that government employees are only required to maintain confidentiality of classified information.

Yes I know and still…

They are dubious but if they are being used as a shield what’s the point of having folks like Pierson or Conway on your show.

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electrotek  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:39:09am

If you want to see proof of Australian stupidity, look no further than the comments here:

Facebook Video

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:39:27am

re: #485 Sir John Barron

But now it’s time to act on the enemy before they do a false flag. I know the Justice Department’s crippled, a bunch of followers and cowards. But there’s groups, there’s grand juries, there’s — you called for it and it’s time politically and economically and judiciously and legally and criminally to move against these people. It’s got to be done now. Get together the people you know aren’t traitors, and aren’t cowards, and aren’t hedging their frickin’ bets like all these other assholes do, and let’s go, let’s do it. Because they’re coming. Now, in your wisdom you may be playing possum and waiting for them to come in. But America needs to know that they’ve got their little pathetic commie red teams ready. And they’ve got their targets picked out: the sheriffs, the judges, the police chiefs, the patriots, the veterans, the talk show hosts, everybody. And everyone’s going to be amazed when they come and when those cowards come and it’s going to hit in the middle of the night, and they’re coming. And they’re coming. And they’re coming.

Sheriffs, judges, police chiefs, patriots, veterans….talk show hosts? Yeah, AJ, talk show hosts are just like all the others you mentioned. But aren’t sheriffs and judges and police chiefs all Deep State anyway? /

And it’s time to “criminally move against these people”?

I also love the “Let’s go, let’s do it.” Yeah, you first buddy, you and your rifle.

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ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:39:32am

What’s up with the upding count numbers in italics and the user name in the lower box where you access the tools and text entry?

I think they changed back to standard for a bit and I refreshed the page and they are back.

I wonder if Charles under the hood doing maintenance?

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:39:52am

re: #489 Dr. Matt

I tweeted at Jack and Twitter yesterday and was in put in a 12 hour timeout.

I got a 24 hour timeout (which I still see as nothing changing. I can still tweet and people see my tweets, so what this timeout does is a mystery.)

I gave Twitter a hearty Fuck You for that timeout. See my comment above. littlegreenfootballs.com

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:41:24am

re: #493 JordanRules

After denying ever hearing Trump use a racial slur, Katrina Pierson tells Erin Burnett she did sign an NDA with the Trump campaign. @ErinBurnett: “So you wouldn’t tell me if you did hear him say that?”

— Kaitlan Collins

Campaign, not the government. Although Pierson is with the RNC I think. But Sarah Huck is not with the campaign.

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electrotek  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:41:32am

And FYI, his own fucking grandfather immigrated to Australia from Lebanon:

Facebook Video

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Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:41:35am

re: #490 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Did you say a “bad word”? Fascists will not tolerate foul language.

Nope. I merely asked if calling someone a “dog” and “lowlife” is targeted harassment?

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:41:53am

re: #496 ObserverArt

What’s up with the upding count numbers in italics and the user name in the lower box where you access the tools and text entry?

I think they changed back to standard for a bit and I refreshed the page and they are back.

I wonder if Charles under the hood doing maintenance?

The italics on my iPhone were difficult to maneuver as it put the number even closer to the + upding which I already hit incorrectly far too often.

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:45:02am

re: #498 Sir John Barron

Campaign, not the government. Although Pierson is with the RNC I think. But Sarah Huck is not with the campaign.

And he has purposely muddied the waters around campaign and admin.

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JordanRules  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:47:02am
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ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:49:18am

re: #499 electrotek

And FYI, his own fucking grandfather immigrated to Australia from Lebanon:

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What a major asshole.

I’m getting real sick of old fart white dudes acting like this.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:50:28am

re: #491 JordanRules

There were rumors swirling a few months ago they’d already been moved out of the country.

Again…..rumors on the grapevine. A lot of people were like, “Nuh uh….the Pentagon would’ve made an announcement!”

On the other hand, I really don’t think the Pentagon would say shit. They’d just do it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:50:46am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:53:29am

But don’t call them deplorable….

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dangerman  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:56:13am

re: #498 Sir John Barron

Campaign, not the government. Although Pierson is with the RNC I think. But Sarah Huck is not with the campaign.

if the nda’s have any value at all, this distinction is going to be criticial

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Bubblehead II  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:58:36am

re: #505 Dr Lizardo

There were rumors swirling a few months ago they’d already been moved out of the country.

Again…..rumors on the grapevine. A lot of people were like, “Nuh uh….the Pentagon would’ve made an announcement!”

On the other hand, I really don’t think the Pentagon would say shit. They’d just do it.

When the official stance of the U.S Government is “We can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons” you can be reasonably sure they wouldn’t announce such a move.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 8:59:26am

re: #507 Dr. Matt

But don’t call them deplorable….

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electrotek  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:00:26am

re: #504 ObserverArt

What a major asshole.

I’m getting real sick of old fart white dudes acting like this.

Did you watch the video? He felt particularly triggered when the reporter mentioned that inconvenient fact to him.

These right-wing Australians always keep babbling about “assimilation” and “Australian values”, yet none of them can define it.

Do they mean drinking shitty goon from the back of their utes and walking barefoot in the CBD, or getting so pissed drunk in Denpasar and London?

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MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:05:37am
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ObserverArt  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:08:12am

re: #511 electrotek

Did you watch the video? He felt particularly triggered when the reporter mentioned that inconvenient fact to him.

These right-wing Australians always keep babbling about “assimilation” and “Australian values”, yet none of them can define it.

Do they mean drinking shitty goon from the back of their utes and walking barefoot in the CBD, or getting so pissed drunk in Denpasar and London?

Yeah I watched. That is why I commented the way I did.

I have a client that owns a business here in Columbus, he was an old boss before the part of the business I worked for was sold off, now I do freelance work for him. He lives in Australia and comes to Columbus a few months every year, I have a meeting with him tomorrow. I’m going to ask him about some of this.

The last time I talked to him he mentioned politics in Australia is just as crazy there as it is here with what seems to be the same reasons…racism and economic power grabs.

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electrotek  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:11:19am

re: #513 ObserverArt

Yeah I watched. That is why I commented the way I did.

I have a client that owns a business here in Columbus, he was an old boss before the part of the business I worked for was sold off, now I do freelance work for him. He lives in Australia and comes to Columbus a few months every year, I have a meeting with him tomorrow. I’m going to ask him about some of this.

The last time I talked to him he mentioned politics in Australia is just as crazy there as it is here with what seems to be the same reasons…racism and economic power grabs.

And they had racial riots. Remember the Cronulla Beach riots?

Facebook Video

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:11:25am

re: #513 ObserverArt

Yeah I watched. That is why I commented the way I did.

I have a client that owns a business here in Columbus, he was an old boss before the part of the business I worked for was sold off, now I do freelance work for him. He lives in Australia and comes to Columbus a few months every year, I have a meeting with him tomorrow. I’m going to ask him about some of this.

The last time I talked to him he mentioned politics in Australia is just as crazy there as it is here with what seems to be the same reasons…racism and economic power grabs.

They also have a large fossil fuels industry (mostly coal) that is as backward thinking as Trump on the issue of energy policy.

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electrotek  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:12:10am

re: #515 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They also have a large fossil fuels industry (mostly coal) that is as backward thinking as Trump on the issue of energy policy.

Hence the prevalence of “cashed-up bogans”.

Except their cash flush ways wasn’t enough to save Holden and Ford Australia from eventual extinction.

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lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:24:57am
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gocart mozart  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:27:43am
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lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:28:43am

This fucker still thinks that he’s got the right to not bake cakes (his job; his business) for gays and trans:

The Supreme Court had punted this back to the state level because the state agency didn’t properly address the situation.

So, we’re now waiting on that agency to reassess.

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gocart mozart  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:31:10am

They hide this stuff on wikipedia

Piercing the corporate veil or lifting the corporate veil is a legal decision to treat the rights or duties of a corporation as the rights or liabilities of its shareholders. Usually a corporation is treated as a separate legal person, which is solely responsible for the debts it incurs and the sole beneficiary of the credit it is owed. Common law countries usually uphold this principle of separate personhood, but in exceptional situations may “pierce” or “lift” the corporate veil

en.wikipedia.org

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lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:32:49am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:36:23am

re: #521 lawhawk

There was also the tweet saying a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t render a proper decision or something to that effect.

And…it just goes on and on.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:39:00am

Regulations are killing American businesses!!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:40:31am

re: #523 Dr. Matt

Regulations are killing American businesses!!

“unsafe amounts”? Why would there be any amounts of weed killer in oatmeal and breakfast cereals?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:41:10am

re: #524 Sir John Barron

“unsafe amounts”? Why would there be any amounts of weed killer in oatmeal and breakfast cereals?

From killing weeds in the fields that the grains are grown in.

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lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:41:22am

re: #522 Sir John Barron

That thread continued on…. I think she got up to P….

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:43:35am

re: #525 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

From killing weeds in the fields that the grains are grown in.

Yeah the tweet headline just made me blink a bit…the article fleshed it out some.

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:43:50am

re: #524 Sir John Barron

“unsafe amounts”? Why would there be any amounts of weed killer in oatmeal and breakfast cereals?

3 parts per million? Why does the FDA allow any parts of bugs in my food?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:47:04am

re: #528 Belafon

3 parts per million? Why does the FDA allow any parts of bugs in my food?

Just wait. Your food will be 80%+ insect as the biosphere collapses.

530
lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:49:27am

Closing arguments are underway in the Manafort trial.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:52:05am

re: #530 lawhawk

Closing arguments are underway in the Manafort trial.

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“When [Manafort] had money, he lied to keep it. When he didn’t, he lied to make more.”

The Liberals have made being a Republican a crime.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:52:36am

re: #528 Belafon

3 parts per million? Why does the FDA allow any parts of bugs in my food?

Because it is impossible to remove all “filth” from food; so, the FDA regualtes the amount that is considered to be “acceptable”. Rat feces in flour, wasp-heads in fig paste, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:52:43am

moron

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:53:37am

re: #530 lawhawk

To me, this is pretty much an open and shut case. If I were on the jury, it’d be “guilty as hell”. Ten minutes of deliberation.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:54:14am

re: #534 Dr Lizardo

To me, this is pretty much an open and shut case. If I were on the jury, it’d be “guilty as hell”. Ten minutes of deliberation.

All it takes is one wingnut to mess that up.

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Belafon  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:54:17am

re: #533 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

There’s a whole lot of things our country was built on that should no longer be practiced because they’re wrong.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:55:52am

Jeff Fecke stepped in it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:56:21am

re: #530 lawhawk

Closing arguments are underway in the Manafort trial.

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Poor Paul had no idea what that evil criminal Gates was putting in his tax returns!///

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lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:57:05am

re: #533 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gocart mozart  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:57:23am

pompous jack-ass fight

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Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:58:40am

re: #533 Backwoods_Sleuth

Our Country was built on Tariffs, and Tariffs are now leading us to great new Trade Deals - as opposed to the horrible and unfair Trade Deals that I inherited as your President. Other Countries should not be allowed to come in and steal the wealth of our great U.S.A. No longer!

— Donald J. Trump

And slavery….

and land confiscation…

and

542
Barefoot Grin  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:59:27am

I need to brush up on my late 18th-century mercantilism.

543
wheat-dogg  Aug 15, 2018 • 9:59:37am

re: #540 gocart mozart

pompous jack-ass fight

[Embedded content]

Podheretz is a failure by not getting convicted of a federal crime. Loser!

544
wheat-dogg  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:00:07am

re: #541 Sir John Barron

And slavery….

and land confiscation…

and

Don’t encourage him.

545
Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:00:17am

As a dog lover and furfather, this sort of pisses me off. First, that’s a collar and not a harness. So, she’s basically dragging the puppy by its neck. Next….IT’S A PUPPY! If he/she doesn’t want to walk, pick up the damn pet.

546
mmmirele  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:00:46am

re: #401 Anymouse 🌹

I got sidetracked in the black hole which is YouTube.

After Ray Comfort was so famously pwned (why is pwned in my browser’s dictionary) over the “creation by God” of bananas, convicted felon Kent Hovind is getting beat up over his claim of “created” broccoli. Doubling down, he then claims in a new video that celery was created. (We know where modern celery came from - though variants of the plant’s seeds have even been found in the Pyramids and in China, the modern version was cultivated in the XIX Century in Michigan.)

The human creation of the cultivars of the wild cabbage is one of agriculture’s finest moments. From wild cabbage, we get cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, kale (not a great moment), collard greens (beloved of my late father), savoy, and gai lan. I’ve used that as a trivia question at work on our daily tech call (“What vegetables came from wild cabbage?”).

As for Kent Hovind, he’s stupid in so many ways. He still claims he’s innocent of the tax charges he was convicted of. And he has this “amusement” park down in Repton, AL that is a uninsured hazard and a potential attractive nuisance. Alabama has no laws covering amusement parks, nor does the rural county he’s in. (I learned about this when I read about the Schlitterbahn decapitation case.) In other words, even though Kent’s parole for the tax charges is up in a matter of weeks, he is a living, breathing potential disaster.

547
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:01:04am

re: #533 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Yes, we had tariffs when we were a developing nation creating new industry. Now the US is an advanced nation with a mature, healthy economy, and all Trump’s tariffs are doing is disrupting international trade.

548
I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:03:01am

re: #523 Dr. Matt

Regulations are killing American businesses!!

[Embedded content]

This is what I read

Report: Oatmeal, breakfast foods contain unsafe amounts of weed

I disapoint

549
Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:03:30am

re: #540 gocart mozart

pompous jack-ass fight

[Embedded content]

550
lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:03:46am

re: #543 wheat-dogg

Podheretz is a failure by not getting convicted of a federal crime. Loser!

Podhoretz didn’t plead guilty to federal felony.

Dinesh de felon did.

551
I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:04:44am
552
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:05:19am

re: #548 I Would Prefer Not To

This is what I read

I disapoint

So did I, but I immediately realized there is no unsafe amount of weed.

553
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:06:21am

re: #539 lawhawk

Our Country was built on Tariffs

Well, actually™…Our country was founded on Free Trade. We fought a war with the British about it. In 1812. You may have heard about it. It was in all the papers.

Then by Lincoln’s time, the Party of Lincoln™, the Republicans—who are exactly the same now as they were then, we’re told—supported high tariffs to protect American industry.

Now the Republicans are death on tariffs—except you, who must not be criticized in any way. Clear?

554
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:06:57am

re: #551 I Would Prefer Not To

555
dangerman  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:09:02am

re: #538 Big Beautiful Door

Poor Paul had no idea what that evil criminal Gates was putting in his tax returns!///

…that he signed under penalty of perjury

556
sagehen  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:09:13am

re: #522 Sir John Barron

There was also the tweet saying a judge of Mexican descent couldn’t render a proper decision or something to that effect.

And…it just goes on and on.

That one wasn’t a tweet; he said it out loud into a microphone, on television. It was about Judge Curiel and the Trump University case…

That one was so egregious (or maybe just because it was before the election) that even Spineless Paul Ryan felt compelled to call it “pretty much a textbook example of racism”.

557
lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:12:06am

Reminder:
The GOP blocked $250 million in election security funding. Repeatedly.

558
Archangelus  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:12:07am
559
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:12:26am

re: #555 dangerman

…that he signed under penalty of perjury

Only after Gates assured him that every penny of his foreign income was accounted for in his tax return! Paul is only guilty of being too trusting!//

560
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:14:20am
561
mmmirele  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:16:45am

re: #533 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

[Embedded content]

Trump is an idiot,.

The Smoot-Hawley Tariff (1930) is considered to have exacerbated the Great Depression.

562
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:17:03am

re: #557 lawhawk

Reminder:
The GOP blocked $250 million in election security funding. Repeatedly.

A coincidence, surely.

////

563
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:18:47am

re: #540 gocart mozart

pompous jack-ass fight

Let’s all bow before the Greatness that is Dish Dzousa and how Great he is.

/

564
blueraven  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:19:30am

So, Joe? Maybe you should just vote against confirming Kavanaugh…and take your chances.

INDIANA Senate Poll

Donnelly 50.7%
Braun 38.6%

If Donnelly votes Kavanaugh
Donnelly 39.4%
Braun 38.5%

If Donnelly votes again Kavanugh
Donnelly 45.3%
Braun 38.0%

Full Report:
drive.google.com

565
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:19:59am

re: #557 lawhawk

The FBI has investigated a series of cyberattacks over the past year that targeted a Democratic opponent of pro-Russia Rep. Dana Rohrabacher.

The FBI? They’re corrupt, you know, Deep State, full of TDS.

///

566
dangerman  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:20:58am

re: #559 Big Beautiful Door

Only after Gates assured him that every penny of his foreign income was accounted for in his tax return! Paul is only guilty of being too trusting!//

Don’t sign your name to anything you haven’t read or underrstand

I think I was taught that when I was ten

567
retired cynic  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:22:21am

I missed this in DT’s talk to the army division when he signed the Defense spending bill: he actually mocked the army members in the audience!

dailykos.com

568
dangerman  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:22:50am

re: #562 Sir John Barron

A coincidence, surely.

////

Please don’t call us Shirley

569
Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:25:43am

re: #521 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Don’t forget the P-Tape…

570
mmmirele  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:28:44am

I’m momsitting for the next week. What this means is that I work and otherwise hang around the house with my mother, who can take care of a lot of things, but she’s legally blind and pretty close to deaf as a post. She can’t hear the phone ring, she can’t hear my brother’s sun conure screeching in the next room, that sort of thing.

So I’m here to work, and then after work run out and get her cigarettes, buy her ice cream bars and cookies and maybe get her to eat something that isn’t yogurt, make sure she takes her medication, and very important, get the dog outside several times a day to do her business. Because the last thing we need is a blind 78 YO woman slipping on dog pee.

For this, I get to smell like I went to a smoke-filled den and sleep in a room with the aforementioned sun conure, who hates me. But my brother is taking care of my cat when I go to Japan in October, and he did need a vacation. I can deal with it for eight days.

ETA: I also got an IP phone and Plantronics headset from work, but I hate the headset, it is so loud and when I adjust it, it also messes with my work computer’s volume level. Argh. I’d rather have people call my cell.

571
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:28:45am

re: #567 retired cynic

I missed this in DT’s talk to the army division when he signed the Defense spending bill: he actually mocked the army members in the audience!

dailykos.com

These military people should be like our great MAGA president, who’s going broke being our Great POTUS of America, he’s sacrificing everything!!!!

/

572
Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:28:55am

Also, am I really supposed to believe that fucking no one in the Trump WH knew NDAs are invalid for public servants?

573
Skip Intro  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:30:20am

re: #572 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, am I really supposed to believe that fucking no one in the Trump WH knew NDAs are invalid for public servants?

No one who will contradict Trump on anything. I think that’s pretty obvious.

574
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:30:38am

re: #572 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, am I really supposed to believe that fucking no one in the Trump WH knew NDAs are invalid for public servants?

The NDAs are needed to Drain The Swamp….of DJT appointees and staff.

575
mmmirele  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:30:41am

re: #572 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, am I really supposed to believe that fucking no one in the Trump WH knew NDAs are invalid for public servants?

Narrator: “They knew.”

576
Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:40:32am

re: #573 Skip Intro

No one who will contradict Trump on anything. I think that’s pretty obvious.

I really hate Trump.

But I hate this loathsome group of spineless assholes who enable him even more.

577
lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:43:09am

Two terms that need to get wider acceptance in the lexicon:
bro se

Pottery Barn Progressive

578
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:44:13am

re: #577 lawhawk

So today hasn’t been a total waste.

579
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:46:45am

re: #572 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, am I really supposed to believe that fucking no one in the Trump WH knew NDAs are invalid for public servants?

I believe that either nobody dared try to tell Trump or tried and failed to get their point across.

580
jeffreyw  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:49:01am

Lunch - reuben with thousand island dressing to dip it in:

Imgur

581
Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:52:20am
582
mmmirele  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:53:34am

re: #581 Charles Johnson

Speaking of the Rage Furby, is he divorced yet? I don’t dare ask if he has any visible means of support.

583
Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:56:11am
584
Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:57:10am

re: #582 mmmirele

Speaking of the Rage Furby, is he divorced yet? I don’t dare ask if he has any visible means of support.

His wife filed for legal separation months ago. The divorce isn’t final yet, but there’s a court date coming up soon.

585
Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:57:39am

Sadly……..

586
Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:58:44am

Trump supporter was beat up by Social Distortion singer after he protests anti-Trump rant

A punk rock concert went awry for Trump supporter Tim Hildebrand of Galt, California, when his heckling of Mike Ness, the lead singer of Social Distortion, led Ness to jump off-stage and wallop him.

Ness reportedly went on an anti-Trump rant, which didn’t sit well with Hildebrand. “I pretty much said I paid for your music, not your politics,” he told CBS-13.
Hildebrand proceeded to flick Ness off.

“I stood pretty much with my silent protest with my middle finger up for the next two songs.”

Ness motioned Hildebrand to the stage and spit in his face. They started yelling at each other, and Ness attacked him.

“Takes his guitar off, jumps off the stage and proceeds to punch me multiple times in the head.”

Thoughts and prayers.

587
danarchy  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:58:50am

re: #523 Dr. Matt

Regulations are killing American businesses!!

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This is a report from the EWG(environmental working group) They are an advocacy group and not science based in the least. They do sensationalist reports like this every damn year and the news media eat it up without question. If you read down a little you see that the EWG used their own more stringent standards to determine which ones had too much glyphosate, not the FDA or EPA standards. Large jury award not withstanding a meta-analysis of all the studies on glyphosate find no link to non-hodgkins lymphoma or cancer of any kind.

The WHO released a report saying it is probably carcinogenic but most other organisations disagree(EU commission, FDA etc.) Ginning up fear of glyphosate can only lead to farmers using less safe less effective less studied alternatives that they will have to use more of to get the same results leading to worse agricultural runnoff.

588
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:59:08am

re: #583 Charles Johnson

“Our Country was built on Tariffs?” WTF is he babbling about?

It is a great talking point for his brainless base, and will be taken up and defended by his party.

589
Skip Intro  Aug 15, 2018 • 10:59:53am

re: #576 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hate Trump.

But I hate this loathsome group of spineless assholes who enable him even more.

I don’t see what’s in it for them. He betrays every single one of them in the end, then attacks them. Why put up with that?

590
Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:01:35am
591
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:02:55am

it continues:

592
retired cynic  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:03:50am

Nancy LeTourneau thinks that The Firing of Peter Strzok Will Lead to Increased Attackes on the Justice Department. I think she’s right.

593
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:07:59am
594
electrotek  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:08:07am

re: #591 Backwoods_Sleuth

it continues:

[Embedded content]

I’m lost here, what happened?

595
Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:10:12am

Social media companies now have to child-proof their platforms because of right-wing Nazis. America 2018.

596
lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:10:39am

re: #594 electrotek

I think Siskind dumped on Imani Gandy and another woman, claiming that they were Russian plants.

I am not totally sure since I’m blocked by Imani for some reason. But the fallout is that Siskind’s past is coming out.

597
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:11:42am

re: #590 Charles Johnson

Enforcement gets tougher with further reported violations

Huh?

Oh, I think he means that Twitter expands its punishment of users who increasingly violate its TOS.

(Sorry, just over here talking to myself)

598
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:12:21am

re: #594 electrotek

I’m lost here, what happened?

Amy made unhinged comments, including about Black Lives Matter, got called out on it, then called Imani and Diane “Russian operatives”.

Battle lines were drawn and everything escalated with the Pottery Barn progressives clutching their pearls.

599
MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:12:54am

Manafort defense attorneys:

Westling said he would address the bank fraud Manafort faces, and he started by attacking the notion advanced by prosecutors that Manafort committed such fraud to maintain his lavish lifestyle. Westling displayed a bank’s credit memorandum, showing that at the end of 2016, Manafort had cash and other financial instruments totaling $8.6 million, and his adjusted net worth was $21.3 million.

“Given this evidence, how can we say he didn’t have money?” Westling asked. He asserted that while prosecutors had shown evidence of Manafort’s effort to obtain loans, they hadn’t shown that he spent the money he got from banks to support his life of luxury.

600
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:13:33am

re: #586 Dr. Matt

Trump supporter was beat up by Social Distortion singer after he protests anti-Trump rant

Thoughts and prayers.

See, another violent leftist Antifa attack on an innocent DJT supporter.

////

601
lawhawk  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:13:58am

Trump’s going to kill Moog.

He’s literally going to kill the music. Why? Because companies deal with global supply chains, and if you jack up the prices with tariffs, it’ll crush businesses that can’t afford to relocate (and take the jobs with them).

In other words, Moog could avoid the tariffs by moving its business overseas and selling it back to the US. We’d lose the jobs, but they’d stay in business and profit.

This is the fucknuttery from Trump. He thinks this helps.

602
MsJ  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:14:12am

re: #598 Backwoods_Sleuth

Amy made unhinged comments, including about Black Lives Matter, got called out on it, then called Imani and Diane “Russian operatives”.

Battle lines were drawn and everything escalated with the Pottery Barn progressives clutching their pearls.

Amy also is a conservative attempting to be a liberal. She had a tweet up there saying she was Palin and Bachmann’s biggest supporters copying Dana Loesch.

603
Sir John Barron  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:16:02am

re: #596 lawhawk

I think Siskind dumped on Imani Gandy and another woman, claiming that they were Russian plants.

I am not totally sure since I’m blocked by Imani for some reason. But the fallout is that Siskind’s past is coming out.

I don’t love everything Gandy posts, but trying to label her a “Russian plant” really makes no sense.

I didn’t know about Siskind’s past, although I have found her tweeting to be slightly on the overwrought side at times, not always truthworthy.

604
Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2018 • 11:16:56am

re: #598 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Pottery Barn progressives” “Triple Meat Whataburger liberal”. “Tragedy Dry-Humping Whores”. WTF?? Is this a Family Guy flashback where they just string together a bunch of randomness as an attempt to sound witty?

605
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 15, 2018 • 1:04:54pm

re: #589 Skip Intro

I don’t see what’s in it for them. He betrays every single one of them in the end, then attacks them. Why put up with that?

he helped keep them in power. any other GOP candidate would have lost

606
Lang1  Aug 15, 2018 • 2:27:34pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

Who’s he married to? Based on Trump’s body language, it’s Ivanka.


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