New WP/ABC News Poll: Trump’s Disapproval Rating Hits a Dismal 60%, as 63% of Americans Support Mueller Investigation

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Trump will start ranting about “fake news” again, but I feel like we should mark this day somehow — because this is the day Donald Trump’s disapproval rating hit a dismal 60%.

And that’s not the only bad news for President Babyfingers in this new Washington Post-ABC News poll. It also found that 49% of Americans think Congress should begin impeachment proceedings, and 63% support Robert Mueller’s investigation.

And in other news, a Paul Manafort associate who pleaded guilty to a lobbying crime admitted he helped foreign donors give money to Trump’s Inaugural Committee.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 11:55:36am
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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 11:56:23am

This poll was conducted before he announced he was screwing over Federal workers.

Imagine the next one.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:01:44pm
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:02:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:03:20pm
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b.d.(secret op-ed writer)  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:04:10pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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[trump] THOSE BAD THINGS I SAID ABOUT CANADA WERE BETWEEN ME, MY STAFF AND RUSSIA. [/trump]

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:04:28pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Canada knows where you stand. They probably were more disappointed than surprised.

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b.d.(secret op-ed writer)  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:05:46pm

re: #7 Belafon

Canada knows where you stand. They probably were more disappointed than surprised.

Extra confirmation of your suspicions is always a good thing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:06:26pm

He’s getting ready to fuck over Medicare and Social Security.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:07:22pm
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b.d.(secret op-ed writer)  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:07:28pm

Beto already sending out fundraising appeals based off of Hair Furor’s statement about coming to Texas for Lyin’ Ted.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:08:22pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The egomaniac in chief thought he could insult the hell out of Canada in an interview and it would stay off the record. The Star isn’t bound by any agreement you made with Bloomberg, Donnie.

they are all idiots

anything you say in front of a reporter will eventually be published
you write it in an email, it’ll get found out and published or used against you later
your phone (and carrier) tracks calls
when you enter the situation room to fire somebody you check that they arent recording you
you make sure your lawyer isnt recording you
you dont leave…..trails

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:09:23pm

re: #11 b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)

Beto already sending out fundraising appeals based off of Hair Furor’s statement about coming to Texas for Lyin’ Ted.

Kyle Field is the largest stadium in Texas, holding 103k people.

I look forward to seeing the attendance photos.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:09:49pm

California power getting cleaner every day.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:11:06pm

re: #6 b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)

as an aside re “b.d.(fake news! fake crimes!)”

there’s a tv show: Corrupt Crimes

i always wonder is there any other kind?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:11:28pm
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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:11:50pm

re: #10 Kragar

Remember how Texas ended Bush’s career after his DUI?

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:12:16pm

re: #10 Kragar

[Buh-bye Beto…]

Oh, man. The National Review released the one they were saving for the day before the election. Shot down in an hour. Now what will they use?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:13:02pm

re: #10 Kragar

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This really is going to backfire on the snobby assholes at NRO in a big way. I bet plenty of them have arrest records for far worse than what Beto did.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:13:10pm

I’ve got people on Twitter saying Trump deliberately staged this whole thing with Canada and may have leaked the story himself.

I’m gonna go with “stupid” as the explanation, though.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:13:37pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

Oh, man. The National Review released the one they were saving for the day before the election. Shot down in an hour. Now what will they use?

Maybe say he’s an elitist because of his music? They’re weird like that.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:16:50pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Maybe say he’s an elitist because of his music? They’re weird like that.

Yeah, I’m one of the few who know how anti-elitist punks were. Can’t expect anyone else to be the other person who knows.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:16:52pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I’ve got people on Twitter saying Trump deliberately staged this whole thing with Canada and may have leaked the story himself.

I’m gonna go with “stupid” as the explanation, though.

Obviously you don’t understand the subtle nuances of 36th dimensional chess.
/

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:17:43pm

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:18:49pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

Yeah, I’m one of the few who know how anti-elitist punks were. Can’t expect anyone else to be the other person who knows.

Obviously, becoming a punk is not a musical decision.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:20:15pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

Yeah, I’m one of the few who know how anti-elitist punks were. Can’t expect anyone else to be the other person who knows.

re: #25 wrenchwench

Obviously, becoming a punk is not a musical decision.

See? I have to talk to myself about it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:20:41pm

Oh, and regarding the 27-30 percent of nutjobs Trump never seems to lose no matter what, there’s a simple explanation:

They are racists and bigots and as long as Trump is President they believe they can get their hate on without serious consequences. They’ve always been dicks, but the legitimizing by Trump means they can now came right out in the open and drop ANY pretense of what they really are. They can attack brown people and the poor and whoever else doesn’t fit their “ideals” and know the President has their back.

And they love it.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:24:20pm

re: #10 Kragar

The case was taken to court and the charges were all dismissed.

Bye Kyle.

he’s ready for this
he knew it was coming before he decided to run

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:25:28pm

re: #12 dangerman

they are all idiots

anything you say in front of a reporter will eventually be published
you write it in an email, it’ll get found out and published or used against you later
your phone (and carrier) tracks calls
when you enter the situation room to fire somebody you check that they arent recording you
you make sure your lawyer isnt recording you
you dont leave…..trails

fwiw - ianal
also, this is not experience talking. i am not a criminal

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:25:49pm

re: #28 dangerman

he’s ready for this
he knew it was coming before he decided to run

As they say in Texas, this ain’t his first rodeo.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:27:16pm

re: #14 Single-handed sailor

100% of my electricity is supplied by renewable sources, now.

Edit-added words

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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:27:36pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

Yeah, I’m one of the few who know how anti-elitist punks were. Can’t expect anyone else to be the other person who knows.

NRO’s idea of punk is probably Nuge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:28:06pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

NRO’s idea of punk is probably Nuge.

and Nuge is more like skunk…

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BeachDem  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:28:14pm

And the hits just keep on coming. They must be really afraid of Gillum. (And isn’t Bakari an optimist!)

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:28:21pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I’ve got people on Twitter saying Trump deliberately staged this whole thing with Canada and may have leaked the story himself.

I’m gonna go with “stupid” as the explanation, though.

trump plays zero dimensional chess

he is an idiot

dont look for complicated solutions / occam’s razor

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:29:55pm

re: #29 dangerman

fwiw - ianal
also, this is not experience talking. i am not a criminal

(i talk to myself too)

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m0nkeyb0y  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:30:15pm

Trump is Putin’s tool to exact revenge for the Soviet Union losing the Cold War.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:30:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:30:30pm

re: #34 BeachDem

And the hits just keep on coming. They must be really afraid of Gillum. (And isn’t Bakari an optimist!)

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The automated calls are narrated by someone pretending to be Gillum and using an exaggerated minstrel dialect with jungle noises in the background. The calls end with a disclaimer that they were funded by The Road to Power, an anti-Semitic, white supremacist website and podcast linked to Scott Rhodes of Sandpoint, Idaho.

JFC

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:31:45pm

re: #37 m0nkeyb0y

Trump is Putin’s tool to exact revenge for the Soviet Union losing the Cold War.

Small minds, big plans.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:32:17pm

re: #2 Kragar

This poll was conducted before he announced he was screwing over Federal workers.

Imagine the next one.

Republicans can kiss Virginia goodbye. Northern Virginia always goes blue and canceling salary increases for Federal employees isn’t helpful.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:34:33pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

Obviously, becoming a punk is not a musical decision.

It can be. Can’t sing? Be a punk singer, and sing badly about important social issues, or being a Christian rocker, and sing badly about Jesus. My musical decision would be to join a punk band.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:34:53pm

re: #41 Patricia Kayden

Republicans can kiss Virginia goodbye. Northern Virginia always goes blue and canceling salary increases for Federal employees isn’t helpful.

This was but the final straw. Means I’m finally going to get Dem representation. Good riddance because Comstock was a con.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:35:34pm
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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:36:54pm

re: #42 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It can be. Can’t sing? Be a punk singer, and sing badly about important social issues, or being a Christian rocker, and sing badly about Jesus. My musical decision would be to join a punk band.

jam band a la allman brothers
or reincarnation of eric clapton

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A Mom Anon  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:37:25pm

re: #34 BeachDem

So let me try to figure this out…

Liberals are the Nazis but for some reason Nazis always end up being right wingers supporting republican candidates. We’re the pro slavery side, but yet the people who are racist douchebags who carry confederate flags around always seem to love them some GOP candidates and whatever the fuck that stands for.

For this to make any sense, you’d have to have Richard Spencer and the Proud Boys etc throwing their support behind liberals, and yet that never happens. Why is that do you suppose? It’s quite a mystery ain’t it?

Stupid and Evil. Stevil.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:38:13pm

re: #44 JordanRules

Politics aside, it is hilarious that the constantly-paranoid man who got secretly recorded by multiple trusted friends is still going up to reporters and being like, “Yo, can I tell you a secret?”

this this this

he’s an idiot
who never learns

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:38:19pm

re: #44 JordanRules

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Reading his tweet, it’s almost certainly an intentional leak. Trump doesn’t believe in Win-Win. He can’t conceive of ‘Mutually Beneficial’. He only thinks in terms of domination.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:38:55pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:41:08pm
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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:41:59pm

some more of the poll referenced in the top of the post
(i cribbed it from democraticunderground.com)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:42:43pm

re: #51 dangerman

some more of the poll referenced in the top of the post
(i cribbed it from democraticunderground.com)

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The tide is turning on the Tangerine Tyrant.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:45:42pm

re: #12 dangerman

As the Klingons put it, “If you do not want something heard, do not say it!”

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:45:58pm

re: #51 dangerman

some more of the poll referenced in the top of the post
(i cribbed it from democraticunderground.com)

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And very similar to Comey, I’m not defending Sessions, just the office.

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Swampwitch  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:46:19pm

re: #34 BeachDem

The Road To Power out of Idaho. They’re really getting around…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:46:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:47:47pm
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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:49:48pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

The tide is turning on the Tangerine Tyrant.

im hoping for sure

the ‘evidence’ is piling up
its getting harder and harder to claim its all fake (unless you’re a loon)

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:50:11pm

re: #37 m0nkeyb0y

Trump is Putin’s tool to exact revenge for the Soviet Union losing the Cold War.

They should blame themselves. The West did not win the Cold War. The Soviets lost which is a different thing all together.

But, being human, they’ll always blame someone else.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:50:16pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let’s hope it’s not peak blackness. I’ve still got things to learn from them.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:51:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:51:34pm
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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:52:35pm

re: #60 Belafon

Let’s hope it’s not peak blackness. I’ve still got things to learn from them.

like with best economy ever / we set a record…

peak blackness for today
tomorrow there will be a new, higher peak and a new record
and so forth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:53:15pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:55:36pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:55:46pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Any member of a minority — not just blacks and Hispanics, but Jews, Asians, and more — who supports Trump is being taken for a ride that will end someplace very dark]

This is why some white people are so afraid of taking up the status of ‘minority’.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:57:25pm
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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:57:31pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Any member of a minority — not just blacks and Hispanics, but Jews, Asians, and more — who supports Trump is being taken for a ride that will end someplace very dark

not only did they trade everything for a fictional job promise
(cause they were never getting a tax cut. )

as we keep pointing out here, they never thought he would come after them

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:57:41pm
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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:58:14pm

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

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your own crust no doubt

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 12:58:26pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

This is why some white people are so afraid of taking up the status of ‘minority’.

Whereas I think it would be about damn time for there to be no damn ‘majority’ in this country. It’s not like we haven’t fucked things up repeatedly.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:00:54pm
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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:01:09pm

re: #69 JordanRules

They’re hoping Schneiderman’s history will taint the suit.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:01:30pm
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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:02:23pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

Whereas I think it would be about damn time for there to be no damn ‘majority’ in this country. It’s not like we haven’t fucked things up repeatedly.

When you figure out how to solve the racism issue, the Vogons will be along to wipe out the earth.

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Semper Fi  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:05:52pm

re: #13 Kragar

Kyle Field is the largest stadium in Texas, holding 103k people.

I look forward to seeing the attendance photos.

I expect Trump will report a full stadium with thousands turned away for lack of seats.
I don’t expect to see a camera pan of the crowd…other than those seated immediately behind Herr Furor.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:06:10pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Reading his tweet, it’s almost certainly an intentional leak. Trump doesn’t believe in Win-Win. He can’t conceive of ‘Mutually Beneficial’. He only thinks in terms of domination.

And yet, he has dominated nothing. He was so bad at dominating in business it appears he had to sell his soul to Russian mob players to keep his sham of a business alive and now Russia dominates him.

If he believes he is dominating anything politically, he is delusional.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:06:15pm

It appears that the latest conservative pearl-clutching is about the Neil Armstrong biopic “First Man”.
Fainting couches everywhere are in use because the film does not include the Planting of the Flag on the moon.

snowflakes, the lot of them.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:06:58pm

re: #76 Semper Fi

I expect Trump will report a full stadium with thousands turned away for lack of seats.
I don’t expect to see a camera pan of the crowd…other than those seated immediately behind Herr Furor.

Yup. That’s what they’ve done at other rallies/venues.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:07:09pm

re: #72 JordanRules

Latest example of Trump using an official WH event as a free campaign stop and a promo for his golf club. Flanked by GOP candidates, Trump admitted it was “a political event” adding, luckily “you didn’t have to pay for it.”

True. They didn’t. Because taxpayers had to pay for it.

his stupid fucking mindset right there
miserly
moneygrubbing
petty

what head of state talks like that? thinks like that? thinks thats what people are thinking at that moment and want to hear?

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:10:27pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes F&F already are going after Ryan Gosling because the movie follows the sentiments of Armstrong himself.

On another movie front, happy to see that Cooper’s “A Star is Born” with Lady Gaga is receiving strong reviews. Was hoping it would be good, based on the trailer.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:10:32pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

And yet, he has dominated nothing. He was so bad at dominating in business it appears he had to sell his soul to Russian mob players to keep his sham of a business alive and now Russia dominates him.

If he believes he is dominating anything politically, he is delusional.

since he’s had no actual successes and so many failures, the only card left to play is the appearance of success

his actual performance as president doesn’t support even the appearance - he knows what the polls say. so his one trick is to try and desperately create a narrative where there isnt one

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:11:43pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:15:18pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:16:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:19:19pm

Well, I guess it’s a damn good thing they went to check on her welfare.
Right?

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:19:58pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

It appears that the latest conservative pearl-clutching is about the Neil Armstrong biopic “First Man”.
Fainting couches everywhere are in use because the film does not include the Planting of the Flag on the moon.

snowflakes, the lot of them.

Was that the fake flag that was used on the Hollywood stage that Kubrick used to fake the whole moon landing???

It’s hard to keep up with all this. Was it fake or not wingnuts???

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:22:35pm

re: #86 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, I guess it’s a damn good thing they went to check on her welfare.
Right?

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Whyyyyyy do we have to keep shooting and killing everybody!?!?!?!
Every other country knows how to do things and exist without shooting and killing everything moving!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:25:47pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:26:23pm

re: #70 dangerman

your own crust no doubt

I crushed up a bunch of graham crackers from a box that I bought at the store.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:28:46pm

re: #88 JordanRules

Whyyyyyy do we have to keep shooting and killing everybody!?!?!?!
Every other country knows how to do things and exist without shooting and killing everything moving!!!

I’ll say it again - there’s not enough mass on the “Don’t Shoot” side of the scale.

On the “Shoot” side, there’s the possibility of injury or death, for you or someone else. On the “Don’t Shoot” side? A couple weeks flying a desk, and maybe it’ll bother you down the road.

Maybe we should add “You won’t be a cop, anywhere, ever again” to the “Don’t Shoot” side.

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TedStriker  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:29:55pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

I crushed up a bunch of graham crackers from a box that I bought at the store.

Graham cracker crust with crushed pecans, brown sugar, and butter is great for cheesecake.

*drools*

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:30:11pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

It appears that the latest conservative pearl-clutching is about the Neil Armstrong biopic “First Man”.
Fainting couches everywhere are in use because the film does not include the Planting of the Flag on the moon.

snowflakes, the lot of them.

Yup. Over at stupidrepublic.com the pearls are clutched along with vows to never sully their eyes with anti-‘merikan movies. Death threats for the Canadian actor, too. And, theories that this is an attempt to remove ‘merikan history from the books now that libtards have destroyed the memory of southern history.

And, I shouldn’t go there, but it’s pathos that I have.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:30:22pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

I didn’t see as many hats as expected as folks started to file in for the service.
Then I saw Cicely Tyson and I said that’s it. There’s all the hat from the elder.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:30:41pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

[this hat is the sun, the moon, the stars, the Big Bang, and the moments immediately after in which the universe began to know itself]

This was the topic of my brother’s PhD thesis. Not the hat, the cosmos. Including, ‘Do black holes spin?’

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:31:21pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:32:50pm
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:33:00pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ll say it again - there’s not enough mass on the “Don’t Shoot” side of the scale.

On the “Shoot” side, there’s the possibility of injury or death, for you or someone else. On the “Don’t Shoot” side? A couple weeks flying a desk, and maybe it’ll bother you down the road.

Maybe we should add “You won’t be a cop, anywhere, ever again” to the “Don’t Shoot” side.

Something policy wise had to change too. Multiple things more likely.
There’s something formal underpinning this.
We just fuckin shoot at any and everything.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:33:54pm

re: #92 TedStriker

Graham cracker crust with crushed pecans, brown sugar, and butter is great for cheesecake.

*drools*

I’ll have to try that. Sounds like it would work well for Key Lime pie too.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:35:05pm

re: #92 TedStriker

Graham cracker crust with crushed pecans, brown sugar, and butter is great for cheesecake.

*drools*

I love it!
You can basically fill it with anything and it’s great.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:35:11pm

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

Canada and the U.S. have failed to reach a trade deal replace NAFTA by Trump’s Friday deadline.

FTFT

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TedStriker  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:41:11pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

I’ll have to try that. Sounds like it would work well for Key Lime pie too.

As much as I’d like to, I can’t claim this one; there’s a company here in Nashville (Tennessee Cheesecake Co.) that makes their “standard” cheesecakes with that crust…and it’s damn tasty.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:41:23pm

re: #58 dangerman

im hoping for sure

the ‘evidence’ is piling up
its getting harder and harder to claim its all fake (unless you’re a loon)

Was out just now & NPR had a segment on how his fake everything has ratcheted up. Refuted it all very well..

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:43:56pm
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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:50:53pm

This will not be helpful.

And that’s entirely the point. They’re looking to completely screw things up everywhere they go, and this benefits no one but the one country not directly involved. Russia.

It’s same thing with the trade wars. Putin benefits from Trump’s trade war idiocy because everyone else is spinning wheels trying to stand still while Russia benefits from the divide and conquer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:54:27pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 1:55:07pm

re: #98 JordanRules

Something policy wise had to change too. Multiple things more likely.
There’s something formal underpinning this.
We just fuckin shoot at any and everything.

As a society, we’re fucking idiots. Crime, especially violent crime, has been falling for years, but you wouldn’t know it to listen to people. Our cops kill people because we’ve convinced ourselves that we’re all only a hairsbreadth away from being gunned down, raped, beaten, etc. every hour of every day, everywhere we are.

We arm the police like they were soldiers on the battlefield, then we extol their heroism as they go off to the (checks notes) Fifteenth-most dangerous job in the US. We talk about them as if they’re under fire every damn day, as if every one of them is constantly in the crosshairs. And we let them shoot anyone who makes them feel nervous.

We don’t teach them to de-escalate, we don’t teach them how to work distance against people with knives, we call them to check on troubled people, and they shoot them because ‘he had a knife and wouldn’t drop it’.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:01:15pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:03:51pm

re: #108 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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One of ‘em should have sported a nice hat for the occasion.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:09:57pm

re: #107 Blind Frog Belly White

We don’t teach them to de-escalate, we don’t teach them how to work distance against people with knives, we call them to check on troubled people, and they shoot them because ‘he had a knife and wouldn’t drop it’.

We’re a tough-guy culture, so you can’t back away from a threat like some kind of Liberal. You have to shoot it.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:13:12pm

re: #107 Blind Frog Belly White

As a society, we’re fucking idiots. Crime, especially violent crime, has been falling for years, but you wouldn’t know it to listen to people. Our cops kill people because we’ve convinced ourselves that we’re all only a hairsbreadth away from being gunned down, raped, beaten, etc. every hour of every day, everywhere we are.

We arm the police like they were soldiers on the battlefield, then we extol their heroism as they go off to the (checks notes) Fifteenth-most dangerous job in the US. We talk about them as if they’re under fire every damn day, as if every one of them is constantly in the crosshairs. And we let them shoot anyone who makes them feel nervous.

We don’t teach them to de-escalate, we don’t teach them how to work distance against people with knives, we call them to check on troubled people, and they shoot them because ‘he had a knife and wouldn’t drop it’.

Yes! All of this!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:13:29pm
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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:16:14pm

Yo, M.I.T.


Short Cut Spaghetti
Product code: 41456
pastafoods.com
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:16:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:17:06pm
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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:17:16pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

One of ‘em should have sported a nice hat for the occasion.

They’re all nice hats, ww.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:19:32pm
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:21:47pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

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Thoughts and prayers sir.
rAmen!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:23:01pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

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I laughed, but lack of a large pot does not make one a barbarian. People who break spaghetti are probably just young and poor.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:26:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:27:50pm

re: #119 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You don’t need a large pot, really. Just stir it for a few seconds in boiling water and it softens enough to fit.

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mmmirele  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:28:33pm

Brother news.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:29:02pm

re: #116 makeitstop

They’re all nice hats, ww.

Too bad they all had to share the one design. I’m up for the Changing of the Bored.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:29:04pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Looks like a medieval torture device. No way would I sit on that contraption.

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mmmirele  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:30:08pm

re: #119 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I laughed, but lack of a large pot does not make one a barbarian. People who break spaghetti are probably just young and poor.

My mother—she broke the spaghetti. We didn’t have a large pot when I was a kid. I still break the spaghetti out of habit. I noticed the other day there is a box of “cut spaghetti” in my mother’s pantry.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:30:28pm

re: #124 Patricia Kayden

Looks like a medieval torture device. No way would I sit on that contraption.

And what’s with the mirror underneath?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:30:34pm

re: #105 lawhawk

Wow. Not surprised though. Just a little reminder that Trump is an awful person and so are his advisers. They’re working overtime to make the world a worse place than they found it.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:35:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:35:36pm
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:37:55pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LMAO!!
Please proceed Rudes…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:39:52pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

I will die on it with you; defending propriety.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:41:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:41:39pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:42:51pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

And yet, he has dominated nothing. He was so bad at dominating in business it appears he had to sell his soul to Russian mob players to keep his sham of a business alive and now Russia dominates him.

If he believes he is dominating anything politically, he is delusional.

He is dominating the Republican base who continue to worship him and refuse to see any real flaws. As long as he does that, the Congressional GOP will support him.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:43:05pm

re: #122 mmmirele

Brother news.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:43:15pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

You don’t need a large pot, really. Just stir it for a few seconds in boiling water and it softens enough to fit.

On an electric stove, yes. On the gas stove I had when I was a young adult, doing that would burn the dry end unless I kept it vertical until it fit in the pot. Breaking it was the obvious solution once I’d had enough of that.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:45:23pm

This was pretty perfect.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:45:28pm

re: #122 mmmirele

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A Mom Anon  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:48:01pm

re: #122 mmmirele

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:48:20pm

re: #136 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

On an electric stove, yes. On the gas stove I had when I was a young adult, doing that would burn the dry end unless I kept it vertical until it fit in the pot. Breaking it was the obvious solution once I’d had enough of that.

And that was the moment you became a barbarian.

jk!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:49:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:51:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:51:46pm

re: #136 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

On an electric stove, yes. On the gas stove I had when I was a young adult, doing that would burn the dry end unless I kept it vertical until it fit in the pot. Breaking it was the obvious solution once I’d had enough of that.

Lower the heat for a bit.

SCIENCE!

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BeachDem  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:52:16pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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And he can’t let it go (nor can he get it straight). I do love this response to DD

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:52:36pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

And that was the moment you became a barbarian.

jk!

I’m tempted to flounce over that, because it would be such a stupid reason it might become legend here.
/

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:53:20pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Lower the heat for a bit.

SCIENCE!

My youth and inexperience will punch your science in the nose, buddy.

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:55:15pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 2:59:45pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:01:33pm
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unproven innocence  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:12:12pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Richard Feynman spent a whole afternoon with his son (and a few boxes of spaghetti) trying to figure out why it would never break into just 2 pieces. Bonding time. Not barbaric.

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The Major  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:12:50pm

OT: New Zealand Council Proposes Banning All Domestic Cats

A council in New Zealand’s South Island is proposing to ban all domestic cats as a means to protect native species of birds and mammals.

The Southland Regional Pest Management Plan calls for all domestic cats in the Omaui region to be registered, neutered and microchipped. When the animal passes away, residents will not be allowed to replace it.

John Collins of the Omaui Landcare Trust told Newshub: “We’re not cat haters, but we’d like to see responsible pet ownership and this really isn’t the place for cats.”

Only Bengal cats would be excluded from the plans, which are open for submissions until October.

The document states: “We propose to keep Bengal cats as an exclusion pest, as research suggests they have the potential to breed with the existing wild population of feral cats to create a more efficient predator.”

But resident Nico Jarvis told the Otago Daily Times she did not intend to comply with the plans, stating keeping her three cats was the only way to combat the “intense” rodent problem in the area.

“It doesn’t matter how many I trap and poison, more just coming in from the bush. They chew into your house, you can’t get rid of them. If I cannot have a cat, it becomes almost unhealthy for me to live in my house,” she said.

It’s not the first time the island’s feline population has found itself in the crosshairs. In 2013 prominent economist and environmentalist Gareth Morgan announced he wanted residents in his native New Zealand to neuter all pets and start turning strays over to be euthanised.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:17:00pm

Cats are great for keeping rodents away.

Speaking from experience here.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:19:00pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

Cats are great for keeping rodents away.

Speaking from experience here.

Indoor-only cats do that too. Seems a good way to make exceptions. Neutered indoor cats.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:21:47pm

re: #147 gocart mozart

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:24:16pm
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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:24:47pm
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Teukka  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:31:20pm

re: #122 mmmirele

Brother news.

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:34:06pm
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freetoken  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:35:30pm

If only 63% of Americans “support” the Mueller investigation, then that shows us that Trump has indeed contributed to the corrupting of America.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:37:04pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:46:47pm

I must be strange. Spiders not only don’t creep me out, I actually think they’re cute.

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:47:42pm

Dance remix

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Teukka  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:48:14pm

*gags*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:50:47pm
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A Mom Anon  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:50:47pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Having been a vegetable gardener for over 25 yrs now, I loves me some spiders. I do not want them ON me, but I am not scared of them. I don’t kill them either, except black widows and brown recluses. We have both here. I think they are cool, I love watching them spin webs and catch prey.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 3:52:17pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:06:53pm

re: #134 Hecuba’s daughter

He is dominating the Republican base who continue to worship him and refuse to see any real flaws. As long as he does that, the Congressional GOP will support him.

Having a roll over congress and tickling the fancy of less than 30% of America is not dominating politics to me.

Sure he has what you say, but politically it is not strong.

In fact it isn’t built on much of any kind of political base that is lasting. He is lucky he has this congress and a foreign government assisting.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:09:14pm

re: #159 freetoken

If only 63% of Americans “support” the Mueller investigation, then that shows us that Trump has indeed contributed to the corrupting of America.

If only 63% of Americans support the investigation, that shows that the GOP has bee corruption for a long time. That’s the crazification factor.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:12:00pm
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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:13:45pm

And now a braindead Pakistani pop star, of all people, has ventured in to the controversy:

She is so beyond stupid and emotional /facepalm

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mmmirele  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:17:00pm

Sharing…this is not for the faint of heart.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:17:26pm

Moving around the primate family for diversity in their racism.
Nice. ///

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:17:44pm

re: #147 gocart mozart

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:20:56pm
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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:22:21pm

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

Elaine Benes.

Okay then, non-fictional white woman.

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:23:25pm
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Bass Reeves  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:24:57pm

Cool thing happened to me today!

Went with a friend and her dog to a dog park neither of them had been to before. Within….5 minutes of showing up, all other 8 people grabbed their dogs and left.

Here’s the thing about being a black male in 2018. I can’t really tell if they (all white and over 40) left because *I* showed up, or because it’s the time they always leave. I would have to show up again tomorrow and see if my friend’s dog was a victim of poor timing or racism.

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jamesfirecat  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:25:52pm

re: #172 electrotek

And now a braindead Pakistani pop star, of all people, has ventured in to the controversy:

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She is so beyond stupid and emotional /facepalm

She’s so stupid she doesn’t know to say “hung”.

Semi sarcasm but in addition to the horrifying statement about this being worse than terrorism, “hanged” was like nails on a chalkboard to my eyes.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:28:25pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:28:52pm

I’ve been in meetings all day and nearly completely off the grid. I only have a few questions:

Has civil war started? Y/N
Has Donnie declared himself supreme ruler? Y/N
Has anyone been fired/quit in the Donnie regime? Y/N

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:29:37pm

re: #181 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Pakistanis are so fucked in the head that even those who have secular careers and look like secular Muslim women are triggered over this crap. It’s embarrassing for me, being born in that shithole.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:31:13pm

re: #183 electrotek

Pakistanis are so fucked in the head that even those who have secular careers and look like secular Muslim women are triggered over this crap. It’s embarrassing for me, being born in that shithole.

If it’s that bad, I’m pretty sure God will take care of it.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:33:17pm

re: #183 electrotek

Pakistanis are so fucked in the head that even those who have secular careers and look like secular Muslim women are triggered over this crap. It’s embarrassing for me, being born in that shithole.

Nobody can hold you responsible for where you were born. You didn’t get a vote on that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:34:22pm

re: #179 Bass Reeves

Cool thing happened to me today!

Went with a friend and her dog to a dog park neither of them had been to before. Within….5 minutes of showing up, all other 8 people grabbed their dogs and left.

Here’s the thing about being a black male in 2018. I can’t really tell if they (all white and over 40) left because *I* showed up, or because it’s the time they always leave. I would have to show up again tomorrow and see if my friend’s dog was a victim of poor timing or racism.

Geez. There’s something I’ve never had to think about. I imagine dealing with overt racism at least doesn’t lead to questioning yourself - “Am I being too sensitive?”

Mind you, as a Scientist, I immediately thought of different tests:
- Same time of day, different friend, different dog;
- Same time of day, different friend, same dog;
- Different time of day, same friend, same dog; etc.

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:35:05pm

re: #184 Belafon

If it’s that bad, I’m pretty sure God will take care of it.

The ironic thing is that majority of Pakistanis aren’t really THAT religious. Majority in the country often overlook basic tenets of Islam, which is cleanliness, patience, respect, and forgiveness, among others.

For how much love they love to brag about being a country that was allegedly founded in Islam (full disclosure, it wasn’t), they don’t bother to pay taxes, keep cities clean and orderly, adhere to their 5 daily prayers, donate to charity, and/or treat minorities with respect.

It’s more or less used as a fuel for an identity, nothing more.

The Prophet himself went through FAR worse than the likes of Wilders, so why give that troglodyte even more attention?

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:35:09pm

Uhh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:35:45pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:35:57pm
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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:36:37pm

I’m more or less angry over the fact that enraged Muslim mobs have made someone who inspired a brutal terror attack that took the lives of kids at a youth camp into a hero for free speech.

That makes me so sick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:37:12pm

re: #176 JordanRules

Okay, so we can’t take in refugees, so we separate them from their children to discourage them, without ever giving a thought to getting them back together, no matter how bad the situation they’re escaping is, because…brown?

But we’ll consider sending troops there and undoubtedly killing some people to accomplish…what? Again, because…brown?

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Bass Reeves  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:40:05pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

Different time of day isn’t an issue, we stayed for an hour and an entirely different group showed up and had no visible issues. I haven’t ever been to a dog park before, but I do have a feel for dynamics, and the early group felt like regulars. When we drove up I literally felt a twinge, and wondered how many would leave. First one was gone before our dog was even in the enclosure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:40:24pm
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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:41:22pm

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:42:42pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Disclosure: Not only do I break the spaghetti before I cook it, I cut it when it’s on my plate. Little pieces. I cut it one way, then I turn the plate 90 degrees and cut it again. Then I pick out all the little pieces of onion from the Ragu.

Glad to get that off my chest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:42:52pm

re: #193 Bass Reeves

Different time of day isn’t an issue, we stayed for an hour and an entirely different group showed up and had no visible issues. I haven’t ever been to a dog park before, but I do have a feel for dynamics, and the early group felt like regulars. When we drove up I literally felt a twinge, and wondered how many would leave. First one was gone before our dog was even in the enclosure.

I won’t say “Not all white people”, because, Christ, white people. And I say that as a white people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:43:22pm
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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:43:53pm

Good piece here:

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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:44:15pm

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:45:08pm

re: #200 retired cynic

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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:45:18pm

Shoot. I’ve been trying to send a private message to Steve, and am blowing it! So not totally private, but…

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:45:32pm

hahahahahaha this will hit the Pakistanis hard:

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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:45:45pm

re: #201 Dr. Matt

Sorry. I’m just flubbing….

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:46:31pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:47:47pm

re: #201 Dr. Matt

Be careful. Once upon a time I played with those tricky little internet toys and shrunk the whole thread.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:49:10pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

It kind of makes sense sense they’re discontinuing production of most of their non-SUV/truck vehicles.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:49:11pm
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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:51:14pm

Speaking of Trump-supporting Vietnamese-Americans, this clown was able to go from being a sales photographer at a Lexus dealership in Oregon to writing for the WSJ:

And this article elaborates more on what shaped his worldview, including his experience at a rural Vietnamese village as a gay man.

Still does not all compute though, on how he would become a shill for conservative assclowns, however.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:53:11pm

re: #187 electrotek

For how much love they love to brag about being a country that was allegedly founded in Islam (full disclosure, it wasn’t), they don’t bother to pay taxes, keep cities clean and orderly, adhere to their 5 daily prayers, donate to charity, and/or treat minorities with respect.

It’s more or less used as a fuel for an identity, nothing more.

That sounds familiar, somehow.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:53:47pm

re: #202 retired cynic

Thanks so much. I’m hoping to sneak up on a doctor who hasn’t seen my normal EMG’s and bloodwork and tell him my back hurts. Every time I ask about that they check on that. So I’m waiting for an appt with a doctor who isn’t in the UPenn or Mercy system.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:54:23pm

of course it’s because he has a golf course there

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:55:12pm
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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:55:26pm

re: #210 jaunte

That sounds familiar, somehow.

Compare Tehran to Karachi, and Karachi makes Tehran look like Tokyo in how spotless and orderly the city is.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:56:36pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Irish challenge Trump to spell, then pronounce “Taoiseach.”

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:57:59pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:58:21pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can understand how a pub owner benefits from Trump.

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 4:58:35pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:03:21pm
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:04:22pm

re: #196 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Disclosure: Not only do I break the spaghetti before I cook it, I cut it when it’s on my plate. Little pieces. I cut it one way, then I turn the plate 90 degrees and cut it again. Then I pick out all the little pieces of onion from the Ragu.

Glad to get that off my chest.

I often cook a burger while my wife makes spaghetti with meat sauce, and then serve myself the pasta and sauce over my burger. Works pretty good with cheeseburgers, too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:05:27pm
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:11:31pm

“Blacks are so fucked in the head that even those who have secular careers and look like secular Baptist women are triggered over this crap. It’s embarrassing for me, being born in that shithole Detroit.”

Would that sound right to y’all? Cause neither version is sitting right with me.
WTF

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:15:51pm

re: #216 electrotek

Here’s a Pakistani journalist writing about his experience visiting Tehran and contrasting it with Pakistani cities to get what I’m saying here.

An American visitor to Iran had similar stories to tell. He expected some animosity because he was American, but the opposite was true. Everyone seemed genuinely glad he was there. OTOH, since he was filming for PBS, the government assigned him a minder to monitor him.

Rick Steves’ Iran

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:17:35pm

re: #222 JordanRules

Who said / wrote that?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:18:24pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

Who said / wrote that?

My bad, missed the reference upthread.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:22:08pm

re: #223 wheat-dogg

I have seen that episode of Rick Steves’ travels in that case to Iran. All in all it seems to be a show to try to explain what Iran was and now is. You also have to remember that Rick Steves now also has a show about Cuba. He also has a show which describes travel as a political act.
whyy.org

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:22:09pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:23:47pm

re: #226 PhillyPretzel

I have seen that episode of Rick Steves’ travels in that case to Iran. All in all it seems to be a show to try to explain what Iran was and now is. You also have to remember that Rick Steves now also has a show about Cuba. He also has a show which describes travel as a political act.
whyy.org

I’m watching his lecture about the Iran trip now. He’s a very positive, upbeat guy, but perhaps naive.

Rick Steves’ Lectures: Iran

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:23:55pm
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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:24:28pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:25:03pm

re: #222 JordanRules

“Blacks are so fucked in the head that even those who have secular careers and look like secular Baptist women are triggered over this crap. It’s embarrassing for me, being born in that shithole Detroit.”

Would that sound right to y’all? Cause neither version is sitting right with me.
WTF

Even though I missed the reference the first time it made me think of this tweet:

I think that’s almost universally applicable across cultures and faiths. We’re sitting here at an awkward time when the gap between accelerated secular social progress and religious institutional rigidness has never been more stark.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:26:46pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:28:14pm

re: #228 wheat-dogg

Yes. That is my impression too. I still enjoy watching his shows. My favorite show is his three week trip through Europe. It is his Travel Skills shows. There are three shows feature travel skills and some really nice places to visit.

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:30:17pm

Twitter is so toxic that tweets like these are allowed to stay without any action taken. I’ve been suspended for FAR less than this tripe:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:30:32pm

This is awesome

more of this please

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William Lewis  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:31:23pm

re: #132 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Bass Reeves  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:31:55pm

re: #222 JordanRules

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:32:09pm

re: #230 electrotek

This author suggests that throwing Uyghurs into re-education camps is only the beginning.

foreignaffairs.com

The roots of China’s denial of the unfolding human rights disaster in Xinjiang might be deeper still. The reeducation campaign has been a profound shock even to seasoned observers of Beijing’s policies in its restive western regions. From a broader perspective, however, it merely represents the logical culmination of Beijing’s wider strategy to reassert control over the spiritual-moral realm of society. The regime’s willingness to subject an entire ethnic group to inhumane indoctrination procedures simply reflects a consistent application of communist praxis to a people who stubbornly insist on maintaining their own ethnoreligious identity. But reeducation is not a specialized tool reserved for assimilating restive minorities. Any citizen is liable to some form of reeducation if he or she fails to align with a prescribed set of values and behaviors. In the nation in general, different reeducation practices could potentially be administered in tandem with the upcoming national social credit system, because the latter is ideally suited to evaluate and enforce state-sanctioned definitions of morality.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:34:10pm

re: #231 goddamnedfrank

I am certainly on edge because of the horrible bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic, anti-black, loathing, hateful eulogy that marred Aretha’s homegoing. Went from this amazing loving energy to seething in an instant. I’ve had my fill of respectibility politics bullshit today.

But someone mentioned the interesting part about the service going so long is that we really saw the whole of the black American church. The beautiful, the horribly ugly and all in between. And I am so comfortably situated in our humanity that I don’t have to fear or hide that. I can speak to all of it in context and with the human condition and systems in mind.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:35:30pm

re: #234 electrotek

Twitter is so toxic that tweets like these are allowed to stay without any action taken. I’ve been suspended for FAR less than this tripe:

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He’s apparently a Turk.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:38:47pm

If you’re into tattoos, this isn’t a bad choice:

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:39:42pm

re: #240 wheat-dogg

He’s apparently a Turk.

A self-loathing one with an axe to grind, evidently. The splitting image of an Iranian Islamophobe.

Gotta love that internalized Islamophobia.

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:40:42pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:42:04pm

re: #241 Belafon

If you’re into tattoos, this isn’t a bad choice:

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When I was in Hong Kong recently, I saw a woman in the metro with a spider-web tattoo on her arms, legs and neck, and I presume everywhere in between. (I didn’t ask, but I did wonder.) The effect was quite striking, especially on a tall, slender woman.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:42:23pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:45:51pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:47:40pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:49:27pm

re: #246 I Would Prefer Not To

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Gmo Ducknanna

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:50:29pm

re: #246 I Would Prefer Not To

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I could really demolish some homemade banana bread right about now.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:52:53pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would believe it more if she hadn’t gone to the ultra-right wing with her choice in a husband. She’ll be singing Tucker Carlson’s tune within 6 weeks.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 5:58:19pm
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Single-handed sailor  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:05:27pm

Again

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Brian J.  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:06:27pm

re: #246 I Would Prefer Not To

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Sounds like a Crocoduck if you ask me.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:14:15pm

Do they get paid *well* for this?

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:15:27pm

The cutest little first grader was in here selling chocolate covered almonds to raise money for a field trip that she doubted would ever happen. $2.00. I bought one. I asked her if she did her own hair or did her mother do it. She said her mother did it, but she can make braids too. I said, ‘But those French braids that go around your head so nice?’ And she described how her mother takes a little bit of hair at a time, and adds some more, and finishes with a hair tie. So articulate! I said she was lucky to have a mother who does her hair so nice, then the woman with her said she’s just the fun aunt, and I said that’s a great job. They had the girl’s little brother with glasses on too. (Kids with glasses at an early age always look smart to me. I didn’t get mine until third grade, so there’s no bias involved there. No sirree.)The girl handed the cash to her brother who handed it to the aunt. Yep, cash spent locally goes around town quickly.

I just ate ‘em all. I hope she gets a field trip.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:17:10pm

re: #254 JordanRules

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Do they get paid *well* for this?

Not enough to buy back their souls, if they started with any.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:18:45pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:20:13pm

re: #257 jaunte

Is it me or does she (Maddow) go about 20+ minutes before the first commercial break?

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:21:39pm

re: #258 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I think that’s about her normal time to set up/explain the background of what’s going on.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:23:59pm

re: #252 Single-handed sailor

WTF, CBS News???? First it was Beto “defending protesting the flag” and now this horseshit? I spent 30 years in media (newspapers). This is NOT how journalism works. Arggggh!!!!

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:24:28pm

re: #258 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Is it me or does she (Maddow) go about 20+ minutes before the first commercial break?

Yeah. I feel like her ad spots are loaded more into the back-end segments so she can do her big story and/or explainer segment at the top of the hour.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:24:29pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:27:13pm

re: #251 JordanRules

Hmmm…
My first thought was ‘isn’t that the guy that killed Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk?’

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:27:55pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:28:07pm

I just noticed: Trump cancelled the pay raises for Federal workers right before Labor Day weekend.

Great optics there.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:29:14pm

re: #254 JordanRules

To paraphrase Morgan Freeman from Se7en: They pay, and they pay well … I seem to recall David Brock saying years ago that Laura Ingraham confessed to not believing a word that she wrote or said on behalf of her right-wing funders. They are all grifters who have sold the souls to exploit the weak and ignorant.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:32:54pm

re: #261 JordanRules

I don’t mind that. She gets to her salient point, as opposed to an endless tease. As the show goes on, however, the advertisers must be honored - hence the quick 30 second “I’m back!” - then break for commercials.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:33:02pm
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:33:29pm

re: #264 jaunte

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A parasite that chooses a turd blossom as it’s host? No thanks!

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:34:12pm

re: #267 dirkdigglerjr

I don’t mind that. She gets to her salient point, as opposed to an endless tease. As the show goes on, however, the advertisers must be honored - hence the quick 30 second “I’m back!” - then break for commercials.

Oh yeah. I agree! I don’t mind and I think it works well.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:34:26pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:34:55pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

Not enough to buy back their souls, if they started with any.

For what will it profit a man, if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul?

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:35:34pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

“It COULD be a BONE!!!” … Or it could be another video of that ugly orange man wanting to take away all of my Beggin’ Strips!!!!

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:37:17pm

re: #263 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Put some Elvis sideburns on him and you would be close.

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fern01  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:40:35pm

re: #44 JordanRules

As always - he admits he said what was reported. Next week it will be fake news and the week after it will be the Canadians who made these remarks.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:41:51pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

The cutest little first grader was in here selling chocolate covered almonds to raise money for a field trip that she doubted would ever happen. $2.00. I bought one. I asked her if she did her own hair or did her mother do it. She said her mother did it, but she can make braids too. I said, ‘But those French braids that go around your head so nice?’ And she described how her mother takes a little bit of hair at a time, and adds some more, and finishes with a hair tie. So articulate! I said she was lucky to have a mother who does her hair so nice, then the woman with her said she’s just the fun aunt, and I said that’s a great job. They had the girl’s little brother with glasses on too. (Kids with glasses at an early age always look smart to me. I didn’t get mine until third grade, so there’s no bias involved there. No sirree.)The girl handed the cash to her brother who handed it to the aunt. Yep, cash spent locally goes around town quickly.

I just ate ‘em all. I hope she gets a field trip.

If you know the school, you can ask them about the cost and maybe work up some kind of “corporate sponsorship” from ww’s busy bike shop.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:47:57pm

re: #274 dirkdigglerjr

Put some Elvis sideburns on him and you would be close.

Yeah, had to look online to figure out why I connected the two.
They both stood trial in the summer of ‘79

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:48:10pm

Interesting talk today with a rock-ribbed Republican CPA who is appalled at what he is seeing now. The breaking point for him was Trump’s embarrassing statements in Helsinki.

Granted, this guy is your classic country club GOP type. But he can’t believe so many of his friends wholeheartedly support this idiot. He is willing to call them out - with some success. I just have to hope that if this is even marginally taking place in my area (Western NC - Mark Meadows territory), the thought is gaining broader sway in other parts of our country.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:50:46pm

re: #276 wheat-dogg

If you know the school, you ask them about the cost and maybe work up some kind of “corporate sponsorship” from ww’s busy bike shop.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:51:26pm

re: #278 dirkdigglerjr

Interesting talk today with a rock-ribbed Republican CPA who is appalled at what he is seeing now. The breaking point for him was Trump’s embarrassing statements in Helsinki.

Granted, this guy is your classic country club GOP type. But he can’t believe so many of his friends wholeheartedly support this idiot. He is willing to call them out - with some success. I just have to hope that if this is even marginally taking place in my area (Western NC - Mark Meadows territory), the thought is gaining broader sway in other parts of our country.

Trump is scaring away Republican supporters just by being Trump. It’s the same reason why New York high society never accepted Trumps into their lofty circles. The whole family are boors.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:52:16pm

re: #277 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Bundy was used in my psychology class as an example of appearance bias.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:53:38pm

re: #279 wrenchwench

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2018 • 6:57:19pm

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:01:16pm

re: #284 wheat-dogg

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fern01  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:02:53pm

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

trump talking about “a term of honor” - the man with no honor - the man who refuses to honor a senator - the man who has not an honorable bone in his body is talking about honor. Mark Antony talking about Brutus seems suitable

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:03:18pm

Just want to take a moment to thank this community for supporting me when I make a salient comment or a flippant remark AND for also calling me out if AND when I go over the edge. Mr. Johnson has created a wonderful forum that recognizes the horrors of the far-right while also calling out the bullshit of the far-left

This is the one area of the internet where one can find a real discourse, and I cherish each and every one of you Lizards. That being said, please wish me luck as I seek a new job next week. Still in economic development, just in a much better situation, and in an area where I can hope in some small way to make the lives better for our residents.

Thanks again to all of you for making this site so special.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:05:36pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:09:17pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:11:42pm

re: #289 JordanRules

Were any of them white?

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:12:54pm

re: #289 JordanRules

Not updinging the report. Updinging you for bringing this horrible statistic to light. When did we lose our humanity as a country?

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:13:00pm
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:14:25pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:14:55pm
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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:18:30pm

re: #294 JordanRules

I occasionally go to that Trader Joes. Haven’t seen him there, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to harass the guy. He’s making an honest living doing honest work.

Not a damned thing wrong with any of it.

I wish him luck. And it probably has something to do with the lack of roles for African Americans, and older actors and actresses.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:18:54pm

re: #293 teleskiguy

And here I thought one of the commandments was against bearing false witness. Oh, yeah, he got his dog-killing kid off. KMA, Mikey!

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:20:08pm

re: #293 teleskiguy

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:20:35pm

re: #291 Skip Intro

We’re any of them white?

I don’t know, but based on the demo of their prison population I’d bet most are not.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:21:14pm

re: #294 JordanRules

I’ll take “Let’s Embarrass a Hardworking Black Man” for $600, please, Alex.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:22:16pm

re: #300 dirkdigglerjr

I’ll take “Let’s Embarrass a Hardworking Black Man” for $600, please, Alex.

Assuming it is him, as some were pointing out, Trader Joe’s offers health insurance, which sounds like it would be a good place to work.

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:23:56pm

re: #298 Belafon

It’s a race to see who’s the biggest dumbass on Fox tonight.

Huckabee takes a short lead, but here comes Pirro, telling Trump to engage in federal felonies, because why the hell not.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:24:51pm

re: #301 Belafon

Assuming it is him, as some were pointing out, Trader Joe’s offers health insurance, which sounds like it would be a good place to work.

Yep. TJs is well known for being a great place to work part or full time.
The employees at the ones I go to always seem fun and happy. Sounds like he fits right in.

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:24:58pm

re: #295 gocart mozart

No, no, no, no, no … It’s “There’s a bathroom on the right” by CCR - As opposed to “There’s a bad moon on the rise.”

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:27:06pm

It found its phone.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:27:59pm

re: #305 teleskiguy

Glory days, well, they’ll pass you by
Glory days, in the wink of a young girl’s eye
Glory days, glory days

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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:28:16pm

re: #301 Belafon

And bravo to Trader Joe’s for that, especially if purported actor is working there and no longer has SAG insurance. That being said, it seems as if the whole segment is to demean the man for no longer being a “star.” How low can Fox sink? Wait, why did I even ask that?

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:29:26pm

re: #305 teleskiguy

It found its phone.

[Embedded content]

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:30:04pm

re: #307 dirkdigglerjr

And bravo to Trader Joe’s for that, especially if purported actor is working there and no longer has SAG insurance. That being said, it seems as if the whole segment is to demean the man for no longer being a “star.” How low can Fox sink? Wait, why did I even ask that?

It’s definitely a futile quest trying to find out how low they can go.

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:31:36pm

re: #305 teleskiguy

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:35:35pm
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dirkdigglerjr  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:35:53pm

re: #310 lawhawk

“It” has to rebut the narrative that he reached an all-time high of 60 percent disapproval in the Washington Post/ABC News poll. Don’t worry, Donnie Boy, your reckoning is coming in just over 2 months (I sincerely hope).

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:40:38pm

re: #305 teleskiguy

It found its phone.

[Embedded content]

Ali just said Trump has his phone now!!

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:42:51pm
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fern01  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:43:18pm

re: #280 wheat-dogg

Trump is scaring away Republican supporters just by being Trump. It’s the same reason why New York high society never accepted Trumps into their lofty circles. The whole family are boors.

Wonderful and descriptive word to describe the president* and his kin.

From Merriam-Webster
boor - a rude or insensitive person
Synonyms from google
lout, oaf, ruffian, hooligan, thug, rowdy, bully boy, brawler, rough, churl, lubber, philistine, vulgarian, yahoo, barbarian, Neanderthal, primitive, savage, brute, beast, monster;

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:43:28pm
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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:45:13pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:46:11pm

re: #316 teleskiguy

Regardless of the fact that the Toronto paper wasn’t bound by the agreement he had with Bloomberg, why bother saying it to Bloomberg in the first place? Did he expect Bloomberg to attribute it to “a source familiar with the negotiations”? What is the point of that?

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:47:19pm

re: #304 dirkdigglerjr

“Scuse me while I kiss this guy”

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:47:22pm

re: #317 Kragar

What makes these clowns think that there own emails are safely tucked away?

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:48:24pm

re: #318 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Regardless of the fact that the Toronto paper wasn’t bound by the agreement he had with Bloomberg, why bother saying it to Bloomberg in the first place? Did he expect Bloomberg to attribute it to “a source familiar with the negotiations publicist John Miller”? What is the point of that?

FTFY

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:49:46pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:50:40pm

There is an obscure Procul Harum song called “All This and More” at one point there is a line that sounds like “My love is like Budweiser” I have listened to it over and over and I can’t make it out.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:51:40pm

Interesante:

Republican attacks on unions are fiercer than ever, and likely to kick up another gear if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed to the Supreme Court. But public approval for unions ticked up to 62 percent in 2018, according to Gallup, which has been polling the issue since 1936. Approval was 61 percent in 2017, after not having hit 60 percent since 2003.

Predictably, Democrats like unions and Republicans don’t, and support is lower in the South and West than the East and Midwest. But union support is high—65 percent—among young people aged 18 to 34, and other than Democrats, the group that likes unions the most is college graduates, with 70 percent support.

A plurality of the people polled, 39 percent, want unions to have more influence, while 26 want their influence to stay the same and 29 percent want it to shrink. Again, Republican policies and Republican judges’ opinions are in direct opposition to what Americans want.

The popularity of unions among younger people is a major bright spot, something to build on and to offer hope for the future.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:52:20pm

Anoth PH song with a line that sounds like “What a shame how he hit the ground”

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:53:56pm

Just put an ad in the paper.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:54:17pm

On the other hand, Ronnie James Dio has a song called “Holy Diver” in which the words are clear as a bell. There all jibberish, however.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:54:42pm

I just saw a commercial for Jimmy Dean sausage, narrated by the man himself. That seemed a little weird, so I went and checked. Jimmy went off to the great sausage factory in the sky back in 2010.

I do remember that he used to cut his own TV spots back in the day, so they probably just combed through the old spots and cobbled together whatever they want him to say. Still a little creepy.

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:55:27pm
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Cheechako  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:56:00pm
Jacob Wohl

@JacobAWohl
* 2m
Replying to @JacobAWohl @realDonaldTrump
The Chi-Comms had REAL TIME access to Hillary Clinton’s email server! How much did they pay her for that?

This kid just ain’t right. Like Hillary needed money from the Chinese? For access to her e-mail server? He makes a good case for “Re-education Camps”.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:57:18pm

re: #323 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

There is an obscure Procul Harum song called “All This and More” at one point there is a line that sounds like “My love is like Budweiser” I have listened to it over and over and I can’t make it out.

All This And More Lyrics

(Brooker / Reid)

It’s not that I’m so cheerful, though I’ll always raise a smile
and if at times my nonsense rhymes then I’ll stand trial
My friends are all around me but they only breathe through fear
Were I to cry, I’m sure that still they’d never see a tear
In darkness through my being here, away from you
the bright light of your star confronts me shining through
Dull and sullen, much subdued, my skull a stony glaze
Whirlpools rage on constantly, I’m not so well these days
There must be something somewhere near who sees what’s being done
The harbour lights are burning bright, my wax is almost run
In darkness through my being here, away from you
the bright light of your star confronts me, shining through
Come Lollard, raise your lute and sing, and to my ears her beauty bring
like Maddox in the days of old we’ll feast and drink until we fold
And folding still we’ll spare a thought for what’s been lost and what’s been caught
and maybe then begin again for love is life, not poison
In darkness through my being here, away from you
the bright light of your star confronts me, shining through
Copyright: Lyrics (c) Original Writer and Publisher

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:57:36pm

re: #327 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

On the other hand, Ronnie James Dio has a song called “Holy Diver” in which the words are clear as a bell. There all jibberish, however.

I challenge you to a duel sir.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2018 • 7:59:29pm

re: #329 gocart mozart

Was it not doing well financially, or did some rich guy just decide to shut it down with his pocket change?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:02:23pm

re: #331 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It was “Weakest man be strong as Samson when you’re being held to ransom” that I couldn’t make out for 40 years….

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BeachDem  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:03:06pm

re: #323 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

There is an obscure Procul Harum song called “All This and More” at one point there is a line that sounds like “My love is like Budweiser” I have listened to it over and over and I can’t make it out.

I always thought this line from “Lover’s Cross”

When the people and mem’ries they join aren’t the same

was

Well the people in mem’ries they all become saints.

(actually, I think my line makes more sense!)

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:05:27pm

re: #331 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

and maybe then begin again for love is life, not poison

There ya go

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:07:19pm

re: #332 Kragar

I challenge you to a duel sir.

Mmmmhhh mhmm
Yeah yeah
Holy diver
You’ve been down too long in the midnight sea
Oh what’s becoming of me
Ride the tiger
You can see his stripes but you know he’s clean
Oh, don’t you see what I mean
Gotta get away
Holy diver, yeah
Shiny diamonds
Like the eyes of a cat in the black and blue
Something is coming for you
Look out
Race for the morning
You can hide in the sun ‘till you see the light
Oh, we will pray it’s all right
Gotta get away, get away
Between the velvet lies
There’s a truth that’s hard as steel, yeah
The vision never dies
Life’s a never ending wheel
Holy diver
You’re the star of the masquerade
No need to look so afraid
Jump, jump
Jump on the tiger
You can feel his heart but you know he’s mean
Some light can never be seen, yeah
Holy diver
You’ve been down too long in the midnight sea
Oh what’s becoming of me
No, no
Ride the tiger
You can see his stripes but you know he’s clean
Oh, don’t you see what I mean
Gotta get away, get away
Gotta get away, get away, yeah
Holy diver, soul survivor
You’re the one who’s clean
Holy diver
Never come to knew, coming after you
Oh holy diver, yeah
Alright, get away, get away, get away
Holy diver
Holy diver
Oh holy diver, mmm
Songwriters: Ronnie James Dio

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:08:36pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:08:44pm

re: #330 Cheechako

This kid just ain’t right. Like Hillary needed money from the Chinese? For access to her e-mail server? He makes a good case for “Re-education Camps”.

Was his father even born when “Chicom” was a term people used? I know I’ve asked this before. Maybe he heard Frank Burns say it? Is he old enough to even know about M*A*S*H?

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:09:33pm

IIRC Roger Waters (Pink FLoyd) vowed after Meddle that the other guys wouldn’t contribute a single line of lyrics as long as he lived

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:10:13pm

re: #338 teleskiguy

That was such a powerful statement.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:12:47pm

re: #341 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

That was such a powerful statement.

William Talman Anti-Smoking Ad 1968

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:14:08pm
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Single-handed sailor  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:15:40pm

re: #323 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I believe that word is “poison”.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:17:24pm

re: #337 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

So you’re forfeiting.

A wise decision.

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:18:48pm
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stpaulbear  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:19:06pm

re: #343 teleskiguy

The Who little billy

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:19:53pm
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Grunthos the Flatulent  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:28:28pm

re: #319 gocart mozart

“I want you on top of me.”

Buzzcocks - Autonomy

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:29:55pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:31:05pm

IHOP really screwed up with their recent marketing scam with the ‘p’ turning into a ‘b.’ Brian Eno *tweeted to them* the solution to their advertising boondoggle.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:35:22pm

1+1

I went to the high school football game tonight to pick up my son from marching band and suddenly had these memories from the early 1980s. Then I saw a Buzzcocks video. I put them together in my mind and this popped out:

The Undertones - Teenage Kicks (Official Video)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:36:59pm

re: #351 teleskiguy

IHOP really screwed up with their recent marketing scam with the ‘p’ turning into a ‘b.’ Brian Eno *tweeted to them* the solution to their advertising boondoggle.

[Embedded content]

But now the joke (?)

“Where did the one-legged waitress work?”

“IHOP.”

won’t work and civilization will collapse.

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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:38:13pm

re: #352 Barefoot Grin

1+1

I went to the high school football game tonight to pick up my son from marching band and suddenly had these memories from the early 1980s. Then I saw a Buzzcocks video. I put them together in my mind and this popped out:

[Embedded content]

Marching band. Oh, the memories! (It was back in the late 60s.)

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:39:24pm

East Pacific IR satellite:

It’s been a very active year in this part of the world. You can see the remnant low from Lane northwest of HI, pumping clouds into the jet heading for North America. East of HI is Miriam, slowly weakening, then hurricane Norman, still strong, and then tropical depression 17E which likely will strengthen overnight.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:41:29pm

re: #308 Belafon

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sagehen  Aug 31, 2018 • 8:58:54pm

re: #251 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Not to be the “well, actually…” chick, but — he got away with it for a really long time. That’s I suppose a type of competence…

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 9:01:01pm

re: #357 sagehen

Not to be the “well, actually…” chick, but — he got away with it for a really long time. That’s I suppose a type of competence…

That was brought up in the replies. He maybe got away with it in part because people can’t imagine him doing it - the bias strikes again.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2018 • 9:05:50pm
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sagehen  Aug 31, 2018 • 9:17:33pm

re: #333 Belafon

Was it not doing well financially, or did some rich guy just decide to shut it down with his pocket change?

It’s been doing poorly for years; their flush years were back in the days of classified ads.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 31, 2018 • 9:24:02pm

re: #354 retired cynic

Marching band. Oh, the memories! (It was back in the late 60s.)

Good memories, I assume? As you know I’m from the same area as you and marching band was deadly serious for my brother and sister. It wasn’t just games, but also competitions. My son’s school has a pretty good band department, but the marching band just services the games. No competitions. The focus is on ensembles and concert and jazz bands. But the gate to those for every student is marching band. Anyway, tonight was my son’s first game as a freshman. He had so much fun! This has been such a great entree into high school for him.


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