The Bob Cesca Show: Crazytown

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Crazytown — NSFW; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; The Brett Kavanaugh hearings are off to a chaotic start; Trump and the Senate Republicans are hiding Kavanaugh’s record; An agent of the Kremlin has nominated a SCOTUS justice for life; Chuck Grassley is Pete Puma; The rules and traditions; We read the EXPLOSIVE article detailing some of revelations in Bob Woodward’s new book; Trump regretted criticizing Nazis; Kelly thinks the White House is Crazytown; Trump called Sessions ‘retarded’; Staffers desperately trying to stop Trump from going nuts; Trump wanted to assassinate Assad; and so much more.

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228 comments

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:15:43pm

I appreciate Yglesias’s sarcasm, because he’s speaking in my own language.
But the reply is correct. I suspect a lot of people read some of his Tweets and say, “What? I thought Vox was Liberal?”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:17:33pm

Evening Lizardim from the soaking wet wild north country. So have we officially sold out the Supreme Court and completely wrecked our country for the foreseeable future yet?

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:18:21pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:20:31pm

re: #1 Blind Frog Belly White

I appreciate Yglesias’s sarcasm, because he’s speaking in my own language.
But the reply is correct. I suspect a lot of people read some of his Tweets and say, “What? I thought Vox was Liberal?”

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To make sarcasm really work on a short form text medium like twitter you’ve got to make the premise just hyperbolically absurd. Yglesias’ biggest problem is that, like a lot of dudes, he thinks he’s cleverer than he really is.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:22:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:22:17pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

To make sarcasm really work on a short form text medium like twitter you’ve got to make the premise just hyperbolically absurd. Yglesias’ biggest problem is that, like a lot of dudes, he thinks he’s cleverer than he really is.

I disagree. I think the problem is that reality has become hyperbolically absurd.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:23:41pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

I disagree. I think the problem is that reality has become hyperbolically absurd.

The point where we started having to take The Onion seriously is when I knew reality had jumped the shark.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:26:52pm

re: #7 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The point where we started having to take The Onion seriously is when I knew reality had jumped the shark.

If we could determine the exact point where we got thrown into the Absurdist timeline, perhaps we could send a time traveller back to get us back to reality.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:26:57pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:28:05pm

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

If we could determine the exact point where we got thrown into the Absurdist timeline, perhaps we could send a time traveller back to get us back to reality.

It’s probably that goddam Barry Allen, trying to save his Mom. AGAIN!

You’d think the OTHER 3 Flashes all waving him off would stop him. BUT NO!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:28:31pm

re: #9 JordanRules

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If these people treat each other this way, why on earth should we have any faith in their competency to protect we the American people?

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Amory Blaine  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:35:22pm

She could have been rolling a booger.

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wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:39:03pm

re: #12 Amory Blaine

She could have been rolling a booger.

Or pinching a zit on her arm.

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makeitstop  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:39:08pm

Good point. He lies to his own lawyers.

I think it would be perfectly fine if he told those stupid lawyers to go fuck themselves and sat down one on one with Mueller.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:39:55pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:41:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:42:13pm

re: #14 makeitstop

Trump “was lying to his lawyers - why would you lie to your own lawyers if you really feel like you don’t have anything to hide?”

OOooooooo!!! I know this one!

The answer is, “Because it’s easier for Trump to tell lies than to tell the truth!”

Telling the truth requires KNOWING the truth, including believing it to be true, whereas just saying any damn thing you want to be true, or that you think the other person will buy is much, much easier, especially if your grasp on reality is tenuous.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:43:26pm

Still a little surprised at the benefit of the doubt being extended to Bash. We know that the “ok” sign is used regularly by alt-right/white supremacists. We know that this admin is steeped in white nationalism/supremacy. We’ve seen video of her holding that pose while making fairly direct eye contact with the camera—a pose that I haven’t seen anyone else do as just a casual way of holding their hands/arms. Again, I think her defenders have a tough argument to make that it was incidental.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:43:36pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:44:04pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

Or pinching a zit on her arm.

Or playing a tiny set of tambourines.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:44:31pm
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:45:04pm

re: #12 Amory Blaine

She could have been rolling a booger.

“flick”

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:45:51pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:46:50pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:47:14pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:47:22pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:48:04pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:48:39pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:52:01pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

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Trump might not even be making any kind of choice to lie. Brain damage can cause confabulation, and the damaged brain can’t detect the problem.

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KGxvi  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:53:32pm

re: #23 JordanRules

For our adversaries, that’s not just news, it an opportunity.

Which is exactly what Putin paid for

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lawhawk  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:54:30pm

CL’d.

There’s some serious damage there. They’re hoping to reopen lanes that weren’t affected, but the rail connection is suspended.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:55:59pm

re: #29 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump might not even be making any kind of choice to lie. Brain damage can cause confabulation, and the damaged brain can’t detect the problem.

He could have some accelerating frontal cortex / executive function damage but the main problem is his narcissism, which has been a lifelong affliction. He’s had a long habit of absolutely pre-meditated lying as in the John Barron / John Miller fake publicist bullshit.

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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:57:07pm

re: #26 Patricia Kayden

McConnell said they would definitely block any judicial pick a Democratic president made. Not just Supreme Court picks, any pick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:57:42pm

Yesterday, Mrs. FBW and I let Dory run around in the yard off-leash for the first time. I’d share video, but 1) I don’t know how, and b) then you’d know what a mess my yard is.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:57:50pm

Yesterday was that thing with Bannon
we talked a bit about it

I’ve ranted
This is my shameless plug

Do not legitimize crackpots

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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:58:48pm

re: #30 KGxvi

Which is exactly what Putin paid for

The USSR/Russians have been doing this since the 1930s. They finally hit the jackpot by not only co-opting the US president but an entire political party as well.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:59:00pm

re: #33 Skip Intro

McConnell said they would definitely block any judicial pick a Democratic president made. Not just Supreme Court picks, any pick.

McConnell has betrayed us all, but he’s far from the only RWNJ trying to tear down the country. The country is in deep shit.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:59:15pm

rice and beans with avocado, tomato and cheese

back later

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:59:25pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2018 • 3:59:40pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:00:34pm

re: #33 Skip Intro

McConnell said they would definitely block any judicial pick a Democratic president made. Not just Supreme Court picks, any pick.

Democrats need to throw that statement back in his face tomorrow during Kavanaugh’s show pony hearing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:00:57pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:01:56pm

re: #39 JordanRules

Translation: “Every word of it is true.”

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unproven innocence  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:02:45pm

re: #2 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim from the soaking wet wild north country. So have we officially sold out the Supreme Court and completely wrecked our country for the foreseeable future yet?

Trump has yet to arrange official Favored-Nation-Trading-Partner status for Russia. It has recently been revealed that his private talks with Putin at the mid-July Helsinki meet involved some sort of agreement to push for “co-operation” between some of the largest of American businesses with some of the largest of Russia’s (Putin’s?) businesses.

May or may not have been about reviving co-operation in oil exploration and development in Russian territory in the North Sea. Remember when Putin pinned a medal on Exxon CEO Tillerson? The Obama admin nixed that multi-trillion dollar deal. Then, under Trump, Tillerson became Sect of State. Coincidence? I doubt it.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:03:38pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:03:42pm
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KGxvi  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:06:34pm

re: #43 Ace Rothstein

Translation: “Every word of it is true.”

Do these people not realize that Woodward records his interviews? The dude’s got receipts. And I’m guessing he sees no downside in burning all these fools by releasing the audio like he did with the Trump call…

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electrotek  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:07:06pm

Holy fuck:

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Citizen K  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:09:59pm

re: #48 electrotek

Holy fuck:

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So the European right-wing surge is pretty much set to take over Germany as well and ensure that nothing good can ever exist, then? Fantastic….

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:10:24pm

re: #406 gocart mozart

Left stranded on the last thread.

This whole thing is a brain-dead argument.

Just heads up a lot of people have tried to say this sign is a way to trick libs into thinking it’s a WP sign, but…a bunch of actual racists have used it—repeatedly. So it IS 100% a legit WP sign.

This whole thing is a brain-dead argument.

The swastika was used by Native Americans and Hindus for centuries before Hitler co-opted that symbol. It is now universally associated with Nazism.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:12:00pm

re: #21 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

re: #5 JordanRules

… Our premise has been that progress is best achieved when ideas are tested in open debate…

Too bad there is NO support for such a bold assertion. Open debate just helps those
who are more charismatic or eloquent or effective at presenting their views, regardless of their merits. It also promotes dishonest arguments by providing a respectable stage to espouse truly heinous ideas. These ideas can then be shown in youtube clips or other media, without rebuttals but prefaced by: “Speaker XYZ as presented at the prestigious Economist forum..”. The Economist is lending its imprimatur to racism and fascism.

—edited for minor language changes

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:14:14pm

Wow.

GFY Bret.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:17:16pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:18:18pm

He’s definitely fucked.

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Citizen K  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:19:13pm

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹

Left stranded on the last thread.

This whole thing is a brain-dead argument.

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This whole thing is a brain-dead argument.

The swastika was used by Native Americans and Hindus for centuries before Hitler co-opted that symbol. It is now universally associated with Nazism.

The more often you do something ‘ironically’, the less ‘ironic’ it becomes.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:19:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:22:10pm

re: #56 JordanRules

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While I doubt there’s tape of Mattis or Kelly calling Trump an idiot, I think it’s safe to conclude there’s tape of someone who was in the room at the time telling Woodward Mattis or Kelly called Trump an idiot. Their only real defense is to claim those persons are lying or mistaken.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:22:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:22:49pm

moron

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can't think of a decent username  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:23:23pm

re: #56 JordanRules

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Woodward would have tapes, right?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:23:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:24:12pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:24:26pm

Kelly is Trump’s Field Marshal Kietel and I for one hope he meets the same fate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:24:44pm

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

If we could determine the exact point where we got thrown into the Absurdist timeline, perhaps we could send a time traveller back to get us back to reality.

Barry Goldwater running for President.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:25:20pm

Lordt, what type of notification magic are the Krassenstein brothers using? They are the first replies under damn near every Trump tweet immediately.

Shit is spooky.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:25:42pm

re: #48 electrotek

“The AfD, the third-biggest party in last year’s election and the main opposition, seized on the killing of a 35-year old German in Chemnitz and the subsequent arrests of a Syrian and Iraqi to ramp up criticism of Merkel’s open-door asylum policy.”

“Images showed skinheads at last week’s protests chasing migrants through the streets, hurling bottles and fireworks, and making Nazi salutes, illegal in Germany.”

Scary times in Germany — especially for migrants.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:27:21pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

one of the best things about this city is that the mayor gets asked how much he is willing to spend on deer vasectomies

3:08 PM - Sep 4, 2018
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Deer vasectomies will do little to reduce the population; tubal ligation is a more effective approach.

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can't think of a decent username  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:27:32pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

“The AfD, the third-biggest party in last year’s election and the main opposition, seized on the killing of a 35-year old German in Chemnitz and the subsequent arrests of a Syrian and Iraqi to ramp up criticism of Merkel’s open-door asylum policy.”

“Images showed skinheads at last week’s protests chasing migrants through the streets, hurling bottles and fireworks, and making Nazi salutes, illegal in Germany.”

Scary times in Germany — especially for migrants.

It’s honestly scary times for any democratic nation. There’s a decent chance that there won’t be a single non-dictatorship on Earth in 20 years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:27:51pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

Barry Goldwater running for President.

In “Back To The Future”, 1955 Doc Brown treated the idea that Reagan was President in 1985 as absurd.

That should have been seen as a warning.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:28:19pm

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

Deer vasectomies will do little to reduce the population; tubal ligation is a more effective approach.

Or, you know, shoot them and eat them.

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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:28:37pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

Considering Austria has already gone far right, scary is an understatement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:29:43pm

re: #71 Skip Intro

Considering Austria has already gone far right, scary is an understatement.

I swear I’ve seen this movie.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:30:06pm

re: #72 Blind Frog Belly White

I swear I’ve seen this movie.

Yeah. Last time, it ended with an earth-shattering kaboom.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:30:17pm

re: #35 dangerman

Yesterday was that thing with Bannon
we talked a bit about it

I’ve ranted
This is my shameless plug

Do not legitimize crackpots

Bravo. One upfist from me.

One nit to pick: Engaging a crackpot should not have the goal of changing the crackpot’s mind. As noted by atheists in arguments with creationists, you cannot reason someone out of a position they reasoned themselves into, even if their reasoning is flawed.

The point of engaging crackpots with evidence is almost like a vaccine: It is to prevent others, who may not have heard the crackpot’s arguments, from becoming crackpots themselves.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:30:44pm

re: #69 Blind Frog Belly White

In “Back To The Future”, 1955 Doc Brown treated the idea that Reagan was President in 1985 as absurd.

That should have been seen as a warning.

He thought it was absurd until he saw the videotape and realized that it’s the candidate’s appearance on TV that now matters.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:30:50pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Citizen K  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:31:10pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

“The AfD, the third-biggest party in last year’s election and the main opposition, seized on the killing of a 35-year old German in Chemnitz and the subsequent arrests of a Syrian and Iraqi to ramp up criticism of Merkel’s open-door asylum policy.”

“Images showed skinheads at last week’s protests chasing migrants through the streets, hurling bottles and fireworks, and making Nazi salutes, illegal in Germany.”

Scary times in Germany — especially for migrants.

Considering that Europe, and it feels like goddamn near every single country in the world save Canada and Mexico, seems to be falling to right-wing surge after right-wing surge, seemingly unabated…I have precious little hope for the next couple of decades. The unlimited power of hate, spite, and xenophobia seem set to win the day for the rest of my lifetime at this point.

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:31:19pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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He did the same when Omarosa’s book came out, then she started pulling out receipts left and right.

And Woodward has decades of credibility as a reporter who always has the receipts.

But yes, let’s believe that Donny and his underlings are being totally truthful.///////

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:32:57pm

re: #60 can’t think of a decent username

Woodward would have tapes, right?

He definitely used to.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:33:43pm

re: #68 can’t think of a decent username

It’s honestly scary times for any democratic nation. There’s a decent chance that there won’t be a single non-dictatorship on Earth in 20 years.

I don’t think so. I am very encouraged by the backlash against the rightwing authoritarians. I’m very hopeful we are going to see a definitive rejection of Trumpism at the polls in November.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:34:47pm

re: #77 Citizen K

Considering that Europe, and it feels like goddamn near every single country in the world save Canada and Mexico, seems to be falling to right-wing surge after right-wing surge, seemingly unabated…I have precious little hope for the next couple of decades. The unlimited power of hate, spite, and xenophobia seem set to win the day for the rest of my lifetime at this point.

How much of this is Putin’s doing — and how much is unaided nationalist sentiment powered by Twitter and social media?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:35:11pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:35:12pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Bravo. One upfist from me.

One nit to pick: Engaging a crackpot should not have the goal of changing the crackpot’s mind. As noted by atheists in arguments with creationists, you cannot reason someone out of a position they reasoned themselves into, even if their reasoning is flawed.

The point of engaging crackpots with evidence is almost like a vaccine: It is to prevent others, who may not have heard the crackpot’s arguments, from becoming crackpots themselves.

This was my argument for sticking around the Bowsite for so long, that I’d never change the minds of those i argued with, but the lurkers might be spurred to think for themselves. When I eventually gave up, a number of lurkers DID contact me to say that even if I hadn’t changed their minds, I had shown them that ‘the other side’ isn’t totally bullshit, and made some good points.

Eventually the place became so completely crazy that I figured even the lurkers were probably nuts.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:35:44pm

RESTING RACIST HAND is a thing now.

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:36:44pm

re: #80 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t think so. I am very encouraged by the backlash against the rightwing authoritarians. I’m very hopeful we are going to see a definitive rejection of Trumpism at the polls in November.

I’m hopeful voters will turn out with such in mind; I’m less hopeful the Russians have been kept away from the machines.

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gocart mozart  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:37:45pm

good history thread

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Citizen K  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:38:25pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

How much of this is Putin’s doing — and how much is unaided nationalist sentiment powered by Twitter and social media?

At this point, where does one end and the other begin?

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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:39:32pm

re: #72 Blind Frog Belly White

I swear I’ve seen this movie.

I know I’ve read the book.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:40:21pm

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:41:12pm

Why is she saying this and putting Woodward in the discussion like he’s one of their peers?

Is she implying something about herself and her work?

Is she a book critic? I’m confused.

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wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:41:33pm

re: #88 Skip Intro

I know I’ve read the book.

I’ve met people who were in the play. Way, way, way off Broadway.

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:41:53pm

Wingnut argument on Faux: “Dems have been so mean to Kavanaugh, saying they won’t vote to proceed forward, so of course we’re justified in totally suppressing info on him and ramming his nomination forward!”

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:43:20pm

re: #90 JordanRules

Why is she saying this and putting Woodward in the discussion like he’s one of their peers?

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Is she implying something about herself and her work?

Is she a book critic? I’m confused.

She’s working on a book of her own, looking to capitalize on her “exclusive relationship” with the Trumps.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:43:30pm

re: #1 Blind Frog Belly White

Do you have any idea how many times my brain has turned your nic into “Blind Frog Betty White” ?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:44:23pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you have any idea how many times my brain has turned your nic into “Blind Frog Betty White” ?

Now THERE’S an image!

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:45:49pm

All the Governorships, lets get them all!

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:46:30pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:49:04pm

re: #96 JordanRules

All the Governorships, lets get them all!

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:49:58pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

She’s working on a book of her own, looking to capitalize on her “exclusive relationship” with the Trumps.

She is gradually realizing what she has is too little and too late — unless her book contains actual first hand comments by Trump that are even more unhinged and explosive than the second/third hand statements that populate these other works.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:51:41pm

re: #97 JordanRules

I’d been preferentially using the term “White Nationalist”, instead of “White Supremacist”, but then I thought about it. What do White Nationalists want? They want a nation that is predominantly white and run by whites. And they want it to be cover the current USA. So, really, what they want is a predominantly white USA run by whites.

Which is pretty much the definition of White Supremacy. So, why call them “White Nationalists”? It’s like saying “He’s got a lot of racial animus” rather than “He’s racist”.

It reminds me of the question people asked two years ago, as if it made any difference: “Is Trump a racist himself? Or is he just appealing to racists?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:53:22pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

She is gradually realizing what she has is too little and too late — unless her book contains actual first hand comments by Trump that are even more unhinged and explosive than the second/third hand statements that populate these other works.

Not a damn chance. Maggies book will be lame, soft hitting both siderism as its finest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:53:24pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

She is gradually realizing what she has is too little and too late — unless her book contains actual first hand comments by Trump that are even more unhinged and explosive than the second/third hand statements that populate these other works.

Sh has a point, however, which is that Woodward’s book doesn’t paint a picture of the Trump WH that we haven’t already seen from other sources. All three of them paint the same picture, but Woodward has much the greater credibility.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:53:32pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d been preferentially using the term “White Nationalist”, instead of “White Supremacist”, but then I thought about it. What do White Nationalists want? They want a nation that is predominantly white and run by whites. And they want it to be cover the current USA. So, really, what they want is a predominantly white USA run by whites.

Which is pretty much the definition of White Supremacy. So, why call them “White Nationalists”? It’s like saying “He’s got a lot of racial animus” rather than “He’s racist”.

It reminds me of the question people asked two years ago, as if it made any difference: “Is Trump a racist himself? Or is he just appealing to racists?”

“White Nationalist” is just another word for Nazi, because you can’t create a white ethnostate in the U.S. without engaging in ethnic cleansing, if not genocide.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:54:05pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

Not a damn chance. Maggies book will be lame, soft hitting both siderism as its finest.

Yeah, that would explain this tweet:

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:54:44pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

She is gradually realizing what she has is too little and too late — unless her book contains actual first hand comments by Trump that are even more unhinged and explosive than the second/third hand statements that populate these other works.

It could also be that she’s actually working on something with a more positive bent towards Donny and is realizing the market for such is shrinking fast.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:56:28pm

He was Senator Feinstein’s guest. SMDH

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:57:01pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 4:57:54pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:00:30pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #105 Targetpractice

It could also be that she’s actually working on something with a more positive bent towards Donny and is realizing the market for such is shrinking fast.

There are plenty of Trump toady books out there; but she probably doesn’t want to be in that market since it would discredit her as a serious journalist. Maybe as Eclectic Cyborg speculated, she was going to try a both siderism approach but is realizing there is no longer an audience for that work, except for Chuck Todd (//)

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:00:35pm

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Sh has a point, however, which is that Woodward’s book doesn’t paint a picture of the Trump WH that we haven’t already seen from other sources. All three of them paint the same picture, but Woodward has much the greater credibility.

I just find it odd that she’s engaging in this sort of critique at all rather than sticking to the substance in the book and finding good points of intersection with her own work that would further inform the public.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:00:52pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

It could also be that she’s actually working on something with a more positive bent towards Donny and is realizing the market for such is shrinking fast.

You mean, the woman who said that there’s no grand strategy with Trump, that it’s all about surviving the next 10 minutes? Yeah, sounds like she’s just about to write a glowing love letter to him.
//

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:00:54pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

It could also be that she’s actually working on something with a more positive bent towards Donny and is realizing the market for such is shrinking fast.

She is an access stenographer, and a friend of the Trump family. Both of those things mean any book she would write would be a hagiography worthy of conservative worship of Ronald Reagan.

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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:03:08pm

re: #96 JordanRules

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All the Governorships, lets get them all!

Let’s get enough to keep the GOP from being able to call a Constitutional Convention.

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:06:55pm

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

While I doubt there’s tape of Mattis or Kelly calling Trump an idiot, I think it’s safe to conclude there’s tape of someone who was in the room at the time telling Woodward Mattis or Kelly called Trump an idiot. Their only real defense is to claim those persons are lying or mistaken.

And that fits into the overall narrative The White House is a complete mess with everyone freelancing and avoiding the actual leader, Trump.

And if one is lying, good chances they are all lying.

Damning nonetheless.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:07:28pm

re: #110 JordanRules

I just find it odd that she’s engaging in this sort of critique at all rather than sticking to the substance in the book and finding good points of intersection with her own work that would further inform the public.

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like, in tweet form, that’s what she did. Josh Marshall posted a column today, “Is Anyone Surprised by These Woodward Revelations?”. The answer is - No, we’re not. And a good part of that actually goes back to reporting by Haberman and others going back beyond the election.

Again, maybe it’s me, but I don’t see the woman who said ‘It’s all about surviving the next 10 minutes’, and who brought up Trump’s tweet about the DOJ not serving his political needs, and who said that it’s not that he knows the truth and tells the opposite, but rather that he believes whatever bullshit he’s spewing - I don’t see her as a fan of Trump’s. Like, at all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:08:29pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:09:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:09:04pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:10:17pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

Gee, like Haberman reported 10 months ago, that Trump was starting to question among his aides whether that really was him. But, no, she must have meant it as a compliment.

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wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:10:39pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d been preferentially using the term “White Nationalist”, instead of “White Supremacist”, but then I thought about it. What do White Nationalists want? They want a nation that is predominantly white and run by whites. And they want it to be cover the current USA. So, really, what they want is a predominantly white USA run by whites.

Which is pretty much the definition of White Supremacy. So, why call them “White Nationalists”? It’s like saying “He’s got a lot of racial animus” rather than “He’s racist”.

It reminds me of the question people asked two years ago, as if it made any difference: “Is Trump a racist himself? Or is he just appealing to racists?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:11:12pm

re: #117 JordanRules

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Sasse is suffering from Guy Privilege - it doesn’t affect him, so it couldn’t possibly be a problem.

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:11:40pm

*sigh*

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:11:42pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like, in tweet form, that’s what she did. Josh Marshall posted a column today, “Is Anyone Surprised by These Woodward Revelations?”. The answer is - No, we’re not. And a good part of that actually goes back to reporting by Haberman and others going back beyond the election.

Again, maybe it’s me, but I don’t see the woman who said ‘It’s all about surviving the next 10 minutes’, and who brought up Trump’s tweet about the DOJ not serving his political needs, and who said that it’s not that he knows the truth and tells the opposite, but rather that he believes whatever bullshit he’s spewing - I don’t see her as a fan of Trump’s. Like, at all.

CNN political analyst and New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman discusses how President Trump operates with CNN’s Brian Stelter, saying people shouldn’t always look for underlying motives for Trump’s actions.

“Trump Often Tells the Truth” - interview with Maggie Haberman on CNN
cnn.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:13:28pm

re: #117 JordanRules

Hey, Senator Sasse, what happened to your statewide newspaper op-ed during the campaign saying you could never support Donald Trump?

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:14:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:15:34pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

CNN political analyst and New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman discusses how President Trump operates with CNN’s Brian Stelter, saying people shouldn’t always look for underlying motives for Trump’s actions.

“Trump Often Tells the Truth” - interview with Maggie Haberman on CNN
cnn.com

You didn’t watch the clip, did you?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:16:00pm

re: #113 Skip Intro

Let’s get enough to keep the GOP from being able to call a Constitutional Convention.

Yes — that is terrifying. As I’ve mentioned previously, my Texas Trumpster brother is working to get this passed. He has no understanding of what this actually means; if the Koch Bros support it, it’s good enough for him.

It’s like we are living in a movie House of Horrors where each encounter is more dreadful than the last, until they totally overwhelm your senses.

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EPR-radar  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:16:34pm

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

Hey, Senator Sasse, what happened to your statewide newspaper op-ed during the campaign saying you could never support Donald Trump?

Some combination of corrupt party over country and tax cuts uber alles, just like any other elected (R) in DC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:16:47pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:16:59pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

Woodward is Woodward and he ripped into Obama with his book Obama’s Wars back in 2010. And I think he was a hero to the right for that book.

And look who sent a tweet out when Obama’s White House was supposedly threatening Woodward about the book.

You can’t get away with it President Large Orange Dumbass!

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gocart mozart  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:17:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:19:18pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

You didn’t watch the clip, did you?

Yes I did. About the only truth Trump has ever said is he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters, and that he would be the first president to make a profit off the office.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:20:05pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like, in tweet form, that’s what she did. Josh Marshall posted a column today, “Is Anyone Surprised by These Woodward Revelations?”. The answer is - No, we’re not. And a good part of that actually goes back to reporting by Haberman and others going back beyond the election.

Again, maybe it’s me, but I don’t see the woman who said ‘It’s all about surviving the next 10 minutes’, and who brought up Trump’s tweet about the DOJ not serving his political needs, and who said that it’s not that he knows the truth and tells the opposite, but rather that he believes whatever bullshit he’s spewing - I don’t see her as a fan of Trump’s. Like, at all.

Maybe it’s the comparisons she made that make it look a little self-serving to me, knowing she is working on a book.
And I meant, I wanted her to take specifics from the book and say things like “this shows how my reporting on xx signifies x” Or “x’s contention from the book that x, is contrary to what x told me on the record from my report xx”. Show some work. If she’s got the big body of meaty reporting here then surely she can align with new works to inform the public more.

I realize that others are making the same observation about the Woodward book and I think it’s a little stale coming from everyone. We need to keep getting reporting about this secretive, lying regime so the record will keep showing that the GOP let a crazy man run our country.

And I agree with you that her book will not likely be a grovel fest. She does palace intrigue stuff and that’s what I expect.

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plansbandc  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:21:31pm

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

You’ve won one (1) internet. Congratulations!

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wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:22:39pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:23:18pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

You didn’t watch the clip, did you?

To expand - in the clip she’s saying that people impute motives to him, and strategy, and thought, where there is none. And again, maybe it’s just me, but I think it’s far more damning to say that Trump didn’t understand why everyone was so upset with, for example, the Helsinki press conference, than to say that it’s all part of some nefarious plot on his part. She’s saying he really is that simpleminded. People tell him things and it just doesn’t stick.

Take this tweet, for example:

Please, regale me with how this compliments Trump.

I’ll wait.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:24:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:25:21pm

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

Yes I did. About the only truth Trump has ever said is he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters, and that he would be the first president to make a profit off the office.

Oh, so you DON’T think Trump was surprised by the blowback after the Helsinki Press Conference?

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teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:25:38pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:26:00pm

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

To expand - in the clip she’s saying that people impute motives to him, and strategy, and thought, where there is none. And again, maybe it’s just me, but I think it’s far more damning to say that Trump didn’t understand why everyone was so upset with, for example, the Helsinki press conference, than to say that it’s all part of some nefarious plot on his part. She’s saying he really is that simpleminded. People tell him things and it just doesn’t stick.

Take this tweet, for example:

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Please, regale me with how this compliments Trump.

I’ll wait.

Reminds me of the book/movie Being There.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:26:14pm

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

And that is a better example of what I was looking for from her. Point taken!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:26:42pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:27:10pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

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Thats the parody guy everyone was looking for earlier.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:27:21pm

re: #140 I Would Prefer Not To

Reminds me of the book/movie Being There.

except that Chauncey was extremely likeable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:27:48pm

re: #140 I Would Prefer Not To

Reminds me of the book/movie Being There.

Just today, in response to people comparing Trump to Chauncey Gardiner, Haberman tweeted…

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:31:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:31:40pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:32:07pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

except that Chauncey was extremely likeable.

Peter Sellers was a better actor.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:34:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:37:07pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:37:09pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like, in tweet form, that’s what she did. Josh Marshall posted a column today, “Is Anyone Surprised by These Woodward Revelations?”. The answer is - No, we’re not. And a good part of that actually goes back to reporting by Haberman and others going back beyond the election.

Again, maybe it’s me, but I don’t see the woman who said ‘It’s all about surviving the next 10 minutes’, and who brought up Trump’s tweet about the DOJ not serving his political needs, and who said that it’s not that he knows the truth and tells the opposite, but rather that he believes whatever bullshit he’s spewing - I don’t see her as a fan of Trump’s. Like, at all.

Have you seen pictures of other New York Times and Washington Post reporters critical of Trump in images like this?

I think it is obvious Maggie Haberman plays softball so as to not hurt her access to Trump. Maybe that is her ‘beat’ to be the soft reporter to get another Trump take.

But I think it is stretch to call her a Trump critic in the sense of actual political criticism. And if she really was a pure critical writer that is neutral, I would suggest an image like below is not a good look, but is consistent with why everyone questions her.

Say, do you have images of you and her together? /

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:37:27pm

re: #149 JordanRules

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Christ, he can’t even manage to be funny stealing jokes.

Remember when he was gonna be Conservatism, but with a smile? I think he’s still bitter that he planned to be balls-to-the-wall crazy in the 2016 GOP Primary race - and in fact WAS balls-to-the-wall crazy - but Trump just breezed by him in the crazy sweepstakes and won all the marbles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:37:54pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:38:14pm

Even on the bird, supremely funky!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:39:34pm

re: #151 ObserverArt

Have you seen pictures of other New York Times and Washington Post reporters critical of Trump in images like this?

I think it is obvious Maggie Haberman plays softball so as to not hurt her access to Trump. Maybe that is her ‘beat’ to be the soft reporter to get another Trump take.

But I think it is stretch to call her a Trump critic in the sense of actual political criticism. And if she really was a pure critical writer that is neutral, I would suggest an image like below is not a good look, but is consistent with why everyone questions her.

Say, do you have images of you and her together? /

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No, I don’t. I actually look at her work, rather than what people tell me I should think about her work.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:40:00pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:40:39pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:41:14pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:42:41pm

Good thread.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:42:44pm
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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:43:31pm

re: #133 JordanRules

Maybe it’s the comparisons she made that make it look a little self-serving to me, knowing she is working on a book.
And I meant, I wanted her to take specifics from the book and say things like “this shows how my reporting on xx signifies x” Or “x’s contention from the book that x, is contrary to what x told me on the record from my report xx”. Show some work. If she’s got the big body of meaty reporting here then surely she can align with new works to inform the public more.

I realize that others are making the same observation about the Woodward book and I think it’s a little stale coming from everyone. We need to keep getting reporting about this secretive, lying regime so the record will keep showing that the GOP let a crazy man run our country.

And I agree with you that her book will not likely be a grovel fest. She does palace intrigue stuff and that’s what I expect.

As one of the biggest Maggie critics, here’s what bugs me about her. It’s the way she frames her stories. You can either be a news reporter or an opinion writer, but I feel that often her choices in phrasing and mood cross that line. (She was even worse when she collaborated with Glenn Thrush on their Whitehouse intrigue stories—it was like reading a bad romance novel.)

A news reporter doesn’t use phrases like:
He vanquished the economic aides he had previously seen as having more stature than he did…

But Mr. Trump’s moods have always been like storm clouds passing quickly over a desert island…

With Twitter as his Excalibur, the president takes on his doubters, powered by long spells of cable news and a dozen Diet Cokes. But if Mr. Trump has yet to bend the presidency to his will, he is at least wrestling it to a draw…

I’ve said it before and will repeat it here. I dislike her and much of her reporting for the following reasons:

1. She writes like a gossip columnist—usually much more taken with palace intrigue than actual news.
2. She regularly writes fluffers about Jared and Ivanka—with little value, little fact.
3. Any time she’s called out for anything, she is totally defensive, snotty and condescending.
4. I’ve seen, first-hand, how she can take a 20-minute interview and turn it into a 3-word quote that is the opposite of what was said, but fits her pre-conceived frame for an article.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:43:42pm

One of the reasons I’m still on Twitter is because of smart guys like Andy Richter.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:45:10pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:45:57pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

[Orange jumpsuit. I’d be fine with that. At least it would match.]

Local jail switched from stripes to orange jumpsuits a few years ago. A couple weeks later, an RVer was arrested in the WalMart parking lot, working on his rig. They switched back to stripes.

We get a lot of RVers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:47:35pm

re: #161 BeachDem

This is at least a reasoned critique, which is better than that “MAGAie Haberman” nonsense.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:48:51pm

re: #161 BeachDem

I think this is fair and sums up how I see her work.

I do not think she does pure hagiography. I think she dances a delicate dance that she thinks is more valuable than it is.

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:49:39pm

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

Please, regale me with how this compliments Trump.

I’ll wait.

It is also not critical of Trump. It is Maggie at her “oh, that is just the way he is” best.

Well, the way he is is fucking dangerous.

She never really goes to critical. She has facts she lists that if you run it through your head you can say it is bad, but Maggie never seems to go that step.

You make that summation for her. Maybe that is her style. We may need more.

Which is why so many call her a stenographer.

Again, maybe that is her job.

But I don’t think she is ever critical about what Trump is doing to this country. Maybe she lets that up to others.

It is also why I don’t care about what she writes. She is not going to change anything with her style.

Maggie is Maggie.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:50:49pm

re: #138 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, so you DON’T think Trump was surprised by the blowback after the Helsinki Press Conference?

No. The blowback started before he went to Finland. Same with Singapore. He did both anyway.

Trump does what he wants to do because it benefits him personally. As noted in the Washington Monthly article liked above, he is the ultimate distillation of conservatism.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:51:11pm

re: #161 BeachDem

Oh, yeah, and this:

3. Any time she’s called out for anything, she is totally defensive, snotty and condescending.

She goes for defensive and snotty at the drop of a hat.

Mind you, most of the criticism one sees of her on Twitter is total horseshit. It’s like she’s the Designated Hate-ee, and people score “I’m A Real Lefty!” points by hating on her.

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plansbandc  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:52:32pm

I have Maggie blocked. Access is more important to her than criticism. I despise that. So I guess I must be an out of control moonbat.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:54:09pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

You’re so calm in your response. I’d be tempted to blast him or her for such a stupid comment. If you choose not to vote, what do you think is going to happen? Huge Sigh.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:54:23pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:55:22pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

It is also not critical of Trump. It is Maggie at her “oh, that is just the way he is” best.

Well, the way he is is fucking dangerous.

She never really goes to critical. She has facts she lists that if you run it through your head you can say it is bad, but Maggie never seems to go that step.

You make that summation for her. Maybe that is her style. We may need more.

Which is why so many call her a stenographer.

Again, maybe that is her job.

But I don’t think she is ever critical about what Trump is doing to this country. Maybe she lets that up to others.

It is also why I don’t care about what she writes. She is not going to change anything with her style.

Maggie is Maggie.

Maggie’s defensive strategy for Trump is much the same offered whenever a prominent white conservative is caught in public being a racist asshole: “That’s just who he is, he doesn’t mean anything by it!”

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:55:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:55:43pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:56:35pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

It is also not critical of Trump. It is Maggie at her “oh, that is just the way he is” best.

Well, the way he is is fucking dangerous.

She never really goes to critical. She has facts she lists that if you run it through your head you can say it is bad, but Maggie never seems to go that step.

You make that summation for her. Maybe that is her style. We may need more.

Which is why so many call her a stenographer.

Again, maybe that is her job.

But I don’t think she is ever critical about what Trump is doing to this country. Maybe she lets that up to others.

It is also why I don’t care about what she writes. She is not going to change anything with her style.

Maggie is Maggie.

Wow, you go a long way to twist something that’s clearly negative into neutral or complimentary.

Maybe she figures if she tells you that he doesn’t think more than 10 minutes ahead, that he can’t take on new information, that he believes the shit he spews, that he doesn’t understand why favoring Putin over his own IC is going to piss people off, that you’ll figure out that it’s a bad thing, and not need to be spoonfed that conclusion?

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:58:07pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

No, I don’t. I actually look at her work, rather than what people tell me I should think about her work.

Are you not telling them what they should think while basically calling them out saying they are not reading her?

Are they not allowed to read her the way they read her. Seems a lot of it going around. Must be a lot of people not reading her properly…or, something.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:58:35pm

re: #163 JordanRules

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 5:58:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:01:47pm

re: #177 ObserverArt

Are you not telling them what they should think while basically calling them out saying they are not reading her?

Are they not allowed to read her the way they read her. Seems a lot of it going around. Must be a lot of people not reading her properly…or, something.

I went back and read what she’s tweeted the last 24 hours or so. I don’t understand how people could do that, and think she’s excusing his behavior and performance as President.

Sure, read into her work whatever you want. That’s your right. Similarly, it’s my right to say your interpretation is nonsense.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:02:17pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s a bug in Twitter’s embed code: if there are no comments on a tweet, it will put the number of retweets and call them replies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:04:34pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:05:00pm

re: #178 Belafon

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Someone called him Bernie 2.0 and he seems to be doing what he can to make that stick. Ugghh.

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unproven innocence  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:06:01pm

re: #182 Belafon

Sounds more like a feature, not a bug, as the saying goes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:06:03pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

Maggie’s defensive strategy for Trump is much the same offered whenever a prominent white conservative is caught in public being a racist asshole: “That’s just who he is, he doesn’t mean anything by it!”

New York Times tradition. The same newspaper which defended Hitler by saying his rhetoric was simply to unify his caucus.

The Christian Science Monitor has apologised for their own similar take in the Thirties. The Times never did. There’s a reason Judith Miller was called a stenographer for the neocons in the run-up to the Iraq War, and there’s a reason Maggie Haberman is called a stenographer now.

Every time Ms. Haberman goes into another defence of Mr. Trump about how “that’s just the way he is” or other such twaddle, it is no longer necessary to drag up all the same arguments to show she is a stenographer. It is only necessary now to state she is a stenographer. She deserves the same amount of credulity a creationist or flat Earther deserves: derision.

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:08:02pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Tillman was anti-Iraq War, anti-Bush and was planning to meet with Noam Chomsky for an interview after his tour of duty had ended. He was shot three times in the head at close range, his uniform and body armor burned by his squad, and his journal from his time in Iraq remains missing to this day. The Army deliberately lied about his death, even ordering every soldier who met with his family or the press to perpetuate the lie, and congratulated each other in emails about the success in getting the public to buy that lie. The Army even falsified the citations for the medals he received posthumously to claim he was involved in enemy action and so his death was “accidental.”

In other words, Pat Tillman is an excellent example of how a well-run bureaucracy can indeed fabricate the truth to make murderers into heroes. The very sort of evil that Kaepernick has been protesting for years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:10:23pm

I love twitter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:14:01pm
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:14:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:15:22pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:18:34pm
193
Citizen K  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:20:03pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:21:30pm

re: #190 JordanRules

$8 million AN HOUR.

Fuck me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:23:32pm

take a seat and STFU Mitch

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:24:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:25:41pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:25:47pm

Thread (three tweets)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:26:09pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

To be fair to the good Guv’nor, there was a caning on the Senate floor many years ago, so there is precedent.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:26:17pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

Basic manners. Respect for others.

What are two concepts completely alien to the current White House Occupant?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:27:03pm

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

$8 million AN HOUR.

Fuck me.

At $8M an hour, not a chance.

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:27:54pm

re: #176 Blind Frog Belly White

My main point is I don’t like her style. There are far more important writers.

If I am doing anything I am defending the people that have a different take from you. And I am generalizing for debate purposes because of that defense.

In this mess we have going with Trump, I sure as hell understand why people want more. I understand them, and I would never belittle them for their take. These are bad times. People want as much help as they can get because our real countering systems are not working.

I think that is human and natural.

And I’ll leave it at that.

Oh, fuck that spoonfed bullshit too. You don’t know how I read her. You are reading me debate you. I though that was one of the things we did around here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:29:00pm

re: #199 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

To be fair to the good Guv’nor, there was a caning on the Senate floor many years ago, so there is precedent.

Yup, the caning of Charles Sumner (R-Mass). He spoke out strongly against slavery, and conservatives caned him for it. How dare he speak out against the “peculiar institution” and the God-given right to own people as property?

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mmmirele  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:29:06pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

She’s working on a book of her own, looking to capitalize on her “exclusive relationship” with the Trumps.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:29:50pm

she beat the incumbent, Mike Capuano.
There is no Republican challenger in November.

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Teddy's Person  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:30:43pm

re: #199 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

To be fair to the good Guv’nor, there was a caning on the Senate floor many years ago, so there is precedent.

History nerd for the win!

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Brian J.  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:31:17pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

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she beat the incumbent, Mike Capuano.
There is no Republican challenger in November.

Oh joy. The Democrats substitute yet another knowledgeable veteran with yet another know-nothing screamer.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:31:41pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The GOP will get what it wanted; with Kavanaugh on the bench, Roe will be eviscerated if not outright reversed. But the backlash is going to be devastating.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:32:23pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

Too late for them to find one? If not, I bet they do.

Unlike in Illinois where they let the Nazi run unopposed.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:32:28pm

re: #206 Teddy’s Person

History nerd for the win!

Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:32:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:33:30pm
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Belafon  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:34:48pm

re: #207 Brian J.

Oh joy. The Democrats substitute yet another knowledgeable veteran with yet another know-nothing screamer.

Say what?

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Brian J.  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:35:11pm

re: #209 GlutenFreeJesus

Too late for them to find one? If not, I bet they do.

Unlike in Illinois where they let the Nazi run unopposed.

I imagine they’ll be perfectly happy to let Pressley damage Democratic candidates in other districts they could win. That Ocasio woman has taken ten weeks to go from savior of the Democratic Party to the G. Harrold Carswell defense.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:35:12pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

she beat the incumbent, Mike Capuano.
There is no Republican challenger in November.

The House is starting to look a bit more like America.

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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:35:26pm

re: #207 Brian J.

Oh joy. The Democrats substitute yet another knowledgeable veteran with yet another know-nothing screamer.

She’s not really a know-nothing screamer. From her wiki:

Pressley worked as a district representative for United States Representative Joseph Patrick Kennedy II (D-Mass.), who she had interned for during college.[5] The work included assisting constituents with Social Security claims and working with senior citizens and veterans and people with disabilities. Pressley went on to become Kennedy’s scheduler, then worked as constituency director, before becoming the political director and senior aide to Senator Kennedy.[6]

During 2009, Pressley served as United States Senator John Kerry’s (D-Mass.) political director, responsible for managing his relationships with elected officials at the city, state and federal level and with various community leaders.

Boston City Council
Pressley was first elected to the Boston City Council in November 2009. After being sworn in on January 4, 2010 she became the first woman of color to serve in the 100-year history of the Boston City Council.[1] The only woman in a field of 15 candidates, Pressley earned one of four at-large spots on the city’s 13-member council with nearly 42,000 votes.[1]

In the November 2011 Boston City Council election, Pressley faced a competitive reelection, but finished first among at-large candidates with 37,000 votes. She won 13 of the city’s 22 wards and finished second in three others.

en.wikipedia.org

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mmmirele  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:36:12pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Tillman was anti-Iraq War, anti-Bush and was planning to meet with Noam Chomsky for an interview after his tour of duty had ended. He was shot three times in the head at close range, his uniform and body armor burned by his squad, and his journal from his time in Iraq remains missing to this day. The Army deliberately lied about his death, even ordering every soldier who met with his family or the press to perpetuate the lie, and congratulated each other in emails about the success in getting the public to buy that lie. The Army even falsified the citations for the medals he received posthumously to claim he was involved in enemy action and so his death was “accidental.”

In other words, Pat Tillman is an excellent example of how a well-run bureaucracy can indeed fabricate the truth to make murderers into heroes. The very sort of evil that Kaepernick has been protesting for years.

Pat Tillman was also an atheist. In fact, he and his family were criticized after his death by the person leading the investigation because they weren’t letting it go, and he attributed it to their atheism.

Then-Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Kauzlarich, Regimental Executive Officer at Forward Operating Base Salerno on Khost, Afghanistan, under which Tillman was serving at the time of his death, and who led the second investigation into Tillman’s death, made statements about the Tillman family’s search for the truth based on Tillman’s atheism. In comments to ESPN, Kauzlarich said: “These people have a hard time letting it go. It may be because of their religious beliefs” and “When you die, I mean, there is supposedly a better life, right? Well, if you are an atheist and you don’t believe in anything, if you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You are worm dirt. So for their son to die for nothing and now he is no more… I do not know how an atheist thinks, I can only imagine that would be pretty tough.”[55]

en.wikipedia.org

I am not an atheist but that STILL pisses me off to no end, because even if you’re a highly religious person who believes your dead relative is in Heaven, Paradise, Valhalla, Nirvana or wherever, you still want to know what happened to them and to fix what caused their death so it doesn’t happen again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:36:39pm

hard to tell which book excerpts are real and which ones are parody:

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danarchy  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:37:30pm

re: #209 GlutenFreeJesus

Too late for them to find one? If not, I bet they do.

Unlike in Illinois where they let the Nazi run unopposed.

Today was both the Dem and republican primary. If they did get a challenger it would have to be a write in.

Besides consisting of Boston, Cambridge, Somerville etc. it is probably one of the most liberal districts in the country.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:38:39pm

re: #207 Brian J.

Oh joy. The Democrats substitute yet another knowledgeable veteran with yet another know-nothing screamer.

She is not a no-nothing.

Pressley’s professional experience includes working as a senior aide for Congressman Joseph P. Kennedy II (D) and Senator John Kerry (D). She has received the following awards:[1]

2015: EMIILY’s List Rising Star Award
2015: Boston Magazine’s Power Players
2014: Boston Magazine’s Power of Ideas list
2014: Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce Ten Outstanding Young Leaders honoree
2014: Victim Rights Law Center’s Leadership Award

She is currently a city councilwoman in Boston. Of city councilmembers in the last election, she won the most votes.

From Ballotpedia:

During the final televised debate of the primary on August 15, 2018, Capuano was asked to discuss comments he made in late 2017 criticizing NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick for kneeling during the National Anthem to protest police brutality.

“I personally think if you’re going to raise an issue like that, you should do it in a way that brings people in,” Capuano said during the debate. “I thought that particular action divided America, because he chose to do it on the national anthem. I understand what he’s doing, I actually agree with the concept of what he’s doing, I just thought it could have been done in a way that brings more people into the discussion, rather than actually anger an awful lot of America.”

Pressley responded, “It’s necessary that we are disruptive right now and making people uncomfortable. … The issue of police brutality and disproportionate brutality and murder of black men strikes at the soul and consciousness of this country.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:47:27pm

re: #214 Brian J.

I imagine they’ll be perfectly happy to let Pressley damage Democratic candidates in other districts they could win. That Ocasio woman has taken ten weeks to go from savior of the Democratic Party to the G. Harrold Carswell defense.

“That Ocasio woman” has a name, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. As for her being the “saviour of the Democratic Party” - who was pushing that? The magic balance fairyist media repeating Republican talking points to scare their base about evul sochulists.

I guarantee there is no one in my whole area of my state who knows who she is, and many across the country already think Democrats are socialists and anti-American anyway here.

Her missteps pale in comparison to Trump’s. She is a first-time House candidate; all candidates make mistakes. Every candidate. Every election.

There seem to be a lot of people who want to pull “that Ocasio woman” apart though. I suppose this is the day Trump became President.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:47:47pm

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

It’s Brian. You’re better off just employing the GAZE.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 6:49:17pm

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2018 • 7:02:34pm

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

To expand - in the clip she’s saying that people impute motives to him, and strategy, and thought, where there is none. And again, maybe it’s just me, but I think it’s far more damning to say that Trump didn’t understand why everyone was so upset with, for example, the Helsinki press conference, than to say that it’s all part of some nefarious plot on his part. She’s saying he really is that simpleminded. People tell him things and it just doesn’t stick.

Take this tweet, for example:

[Embedded content]

Please, regale me with how this compliments Trump.

I’ll wait.

It doesn’t compliment Trump but it does something worse, it strengthens a narrative that reduces his criminal culpability. If he’s just some bungling dotard lacking the capacity for mens rea then that in effect humanizes him in a way that frankly he doesn’t deserve.

It’s also not true, he’s an idiot but he has a real facility for low cunning.

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Jay C  Sep 4, 2018 • 7:09:13pm

re: #214 Brian J.

I imagine they’ll be perfectly happy to let Pressley damage Democratic candidates in other districts they could win. That Ocasio woman has taken ten weeks to go from savior of the Democratic Party to the G. Harrold Carswell defense.

It’s not worth a downding, IMO, but “damage Democratic candidates”?? In Massachusetts?
Besides Ms. Pressley having a reasonably decent political background, and representing a fairly liberal district (as has been noted), that’s fairly unlikely this election - at least on a Congressional-District level. MA is pretty blue at that level…

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2018 • 7:11:42pm

re: #222 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s Brian. You’re better off just employing the GAZE.

Crackpot .:. Ignore

(See my rant off to the right there)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2018 • 7:29:09pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2018 • 7:41:18pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

It doesn’t compliment Trump but it does something worse, it strengthens a narrative that reduces his criminal culpability. If he’s just some bungling dotard lacking the capacity for mens rea then that in effect humanizes him in a way that frankly he doesn’t deserve.

It’s also not true, he’s an idiot but he has a real facility for low cunning.

Wow. Just wow. I got nothing. The mental gymnastics you pulled off there are too much for me.


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