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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:27:45pm

I’m normally a person who says we can do multiple things at once, but, was Kavanaugh a weasel about everything today?

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SteelPH  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:28:50pm

re: #1 Belafon

I’m normally a person who says we can do multiple things at once, but, was Kavanaugh a weasel about everything today?

Always.

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TedStriker  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:30:48pm

re: #1 Belafon

I’m normally a person who says we can do multiple things at once, but, was Kavanaugh a weasel about everything today?

re: #2 SteelPH

Always.

It’s the “modern Republican” default these days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:30:55pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:32:04pm
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Kragar  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:32:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:33:19pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:33:46pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:35:22pm

re: #8 gocart mozart

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I continue to believe he will end up resigning before 2020, playing true to form in declaring himself a “winner”…as he runs away while leaving the GOP holding the bag.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:36:03pm
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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:36:07pm

re: #8 gocart mozart

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:36:48pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

I continue to believe he will end up resigning before 2020, playing true to form in declaring himself a “winner”…as he runs away while leaving the GOP holding the bag.

Is that resignation with assurances he won’t get indicted by like 10 different jurisdictions the minute he’s gone?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:36:50pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

I continue to believe he will end up resigning before 2020, playing true to form in declaring himself a “winner”…as he runs away while leaving the GOP holding the bag.

I don’t see that as a remote possibility. He will either be 25A’d (either from a stroke or from just general mental deterioration) and eventually committed, or he will get impeached when the Democrats win in November. He will never willingly abandon ship.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:38:46pm

re: #11 Belafon

We still have a lot of work to do before we get the fire out - that’s 2020 - but things are starting to spin out of the ability for Trump to control the narrative. And that’s really the worst thing for him.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:38:46pm

re: #12 JordanRules

Is that resignation with assurances he won’t get indicted by like 10 different jurisdictions the minute he’s gone?

Very likely. He’ll take the Nixon Exit Plan: “I resign of my own free will…after you guys promise not to send me to a prison cell for the rest of my life.”

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:38:55pm
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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:40:09pm

Semi-CL’d:

Look, there are Constitutional mechanisms for limiting the power of a President or removing him/her. You can invoke Article 25 and put a caretaker in charge, or you can impeach.

That’s it. Those are your options.

What you CAN’T do is what this Op/Ed writer has said “he” and his co-conspirators have done, which is basically deciding to hamstring the guy in the Oval without letting him know or telling him why.

This is outside of Constitutional norms. This an admission that they have independently decided to create a Constitutional Crisis from inside the White House.

That’s is. Full stop.

This is a Palace Coup and should be the only thing that is being talked about. Who are they? Who outside of the WH supports this? This is an unelected group (unless Pence is in on it) who have subverted our Government.

Historians can bark about the situation after Wilson had his big ass stroke, but this isn’t about a health issue per se. Trump is exactly who and what he was when elected. He hasn’t changed a bit. He has done exactly what he said he was going to do. And these people have done their best to de-fang him.

This is what is unprecedented. This is all that should be discussed. Republicans have attempted to decapitate the vested power within the Republican White House.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:40:31pm

re: #16 jaunte

I doubt that was going to be very big news anyway. I think the $200K in debt suddenly disappearing is a way bigger story.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:40:46pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:42:06pm

re: #18 Belafon

I doubt that was going to be very big news anyway. I think the $200K in debt suddenly disappearing is a way bigger story.

I guess we’ve grown used to conservatives lying under oath.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:42:21pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey now, can’t we cut this guy a break because he loves Ma, apple pie, and puppies?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:42:32pm

Kamala is taking no prisoners

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:42:55pm

When the Democrats are back in power, hopefully in 2021, they really should add two seats to the Court because Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were both stolen.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:42:58pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

Hey now, can’t we cut this guy a break because he loves Ma, apple pie, and puppies?

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Norman Bates loved all three of those things, too!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:44:16pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:44:23pm

Unpopular opinion. I want trump still in the WH until Nov. 2020 when he loses in a landslide. The day the new Democrat President is sworn in, I want the marshalls cuffing him once he leaves the inauguration, and the whole crowd chanting LOCK HIM UP to his smug fucking face.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:45:03pm

Barring any acts of God we’re stuck with President Fuckface Von Clownstick until 20 January 2021, that is if he’s voted out of office. That’s the reality.

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:45:31pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kamala is taking no prisoners

Barbara Boxer chose not to run again so now we have Kamala. If only Feinstein would take the hint.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:46:23pm

re: #20 jaunte

I guess we’ve grown used to conservatives lying under oath.

It also has the “That was 14 years ago” smell on it.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:46:42pm

Maybe there are tapes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:47:01pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:47:12pm

re: #29 Belafon

Having seen Kavanaugh in action, I’m sure there are more recent lies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:47:44pm

so many Kavanaugh shenanigans

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:47:55pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

Barbara Boxer chose not to run again so now we have Kamala. If only Feinstein would take the hint.

Is there another Kamala waiting?

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:48:18pm

re: #32 jaunte

Having seen Kavanaugh in action, I’m sure there are more recent lies.

I’m sure there are.

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mmmirele  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:48:25pm

Brother update.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:49:11pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:50:27pm

re: #34 Belafon

Is there another Kamala waiting?

Kevin DeLeon got the second slot to run against Feinstein in November.

This is the second California Senate election in a row where NO F’N REPUBLICAN is on the November ballot for Senator.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:50:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:51:56pm

From the previous thread …

re: #212 HappyWarrior

If you want to argue that McCain paved the way for Trump, I won’t argue. Just a different perspective. The bigger point is that the GOP establishment is directly responsible for why Trump has been able to flourish in right wing circles due to their own actions and cowardice.

I’ll argue. McCain didn’t pave the way, nor did Romney. Both were just points on the continuum of conservatism which led to Trump.

Joe McCarthy led plenty of bat guano in his day as a conservative, but was ultimately hoisted by his own petard.

I still maintain it was Barry Goldwater’s run for President, when he invited the Klan and John Birch Society (the Infowars of print) into the GOP. Nixon continued it with his Southern Strategy, Reagan with his opening campaign speech on the site of slain Civil Rights workers killed there only seven years before and weaponising Evangelical Christianity (which before had been mostly apolitical, and strangely using a Catholic, Paul Weyrich).

The GOP has been demonising education all my life, to the point many people believe higher education institutions are overrun with “Marxists” (though I doubt they could identify Karl Marx), and that things like critical thinking undermines parental authority.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:52:02pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Exactly. There is no constitutional mechanism for what the author is describing is the way the government functions right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:52:03pm
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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:52:37pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

Kevin DeLeon got the second slot to run against Feinstein in November.

This is the second California Senate election in a row where NO F’N REPUBLICAN is on the November ballot for Senator.

Feinstein at least has some fight in her. Much like people trying to push Pelosi out, I don’t want someone in there just to replace Feinstein. The replacement has to be more than that.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:53:51pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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First assumption: Trump is exhibiting signs behind closed doors that he’s on the verge of a total mental collapse and the staff are worried about what comes next after that. Namely how the fuck they get the Congressional GOP to take steps to remove him from office without sending everything wingnut from to Azerbaijan into a frothing rage at the “conspiracy.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:54:26pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

Kevin DeLeon got the second slot to run against Feinstein in November.

This is the second California Senate election in a row where NO F’N REPUBLICAN is on the November ballot for Senator.

In California, the GOP now has third party status.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:54:54pm

re: #45 Big Beautiful Door

In California, the GOP now has third party status.

And it couldn’t be more glorious. Go fuck yourself, GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:56:15pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:56:50pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

First assumption: Trump is exhibiting signs behind closed doors that he’s on the verge of a total mental collapse and the staff are worried about what comes next after that. Namely how the fuck they get the Congressional GOP to take steps to remove him from office without sending everything wingnut from to Azerbaijan into a frothing rage at the “conspiracy.”

Its not possible. Even if Trump is in a coma, or dead, it will be because The GOP establishment participated in a “Deep State” coup.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:56:55pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:58:08pm

wow

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2018 • 6:59:33pm

re: #34 Belafon

I’m sure there is. We have 33 million people here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:00:39pm

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:02:43pm

video:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:03:41pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:04:32pm

President who surrounded himself with scorpions outraged at being stung.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:05:14pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:06:14pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:06:23pm

“Sounds as if he has a mind.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:06:55pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, that man is desperately invested in Trump. It’s almost like he has a personal stake in the current charlie foxtrot.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:06:56pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Don’t they realize that the more they deny Trump’s unsoundness of mind with these over-the-top claims the more people disbelieve them?

The lady doth protest too much.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:07:38pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Science!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:08:00pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:09:41pm

Absolutely certain the author is not Betsy DeVos.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:10:00pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone needs to ask him “Considering that the Supreme Court has occasionally overturned their own precedent, why should we accept you falling back on it instead of answering the questions?”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:10:12pm
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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:10:24pm

re: #63 jaunte

Absolutely certain the author is not Betsy DeVos.

The NYT said it was a male.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:11:07pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:11:10pm

re: #66 Belafon

Didn’t they walk that back?

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:11:56pm

re: #68 jaunte

Didn’t they walk that back?

If they did, I missed that.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:12:27pm

Doesn’t matter how much Kavanaugh struggles, or how much drama there is. He’s going to be confirmed.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:12:56pm

re: #57 The Vicious Babushka

Who is Hannity’s guest? John Barron or John Miller? Or maybe David Dennison?

Gotta be his “doctor” who said he’d be the healthiest person ever to take office.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:13:02pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Doesn’t matter how much Kavanaugh struggles, or how much drama there is. He’s going to be confirmed.

Yeup. It was a foregone conclusion from the moment the GOP rammed through the hearings over the objections of the Senate Democrats.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:13:18pm

re: #69 Belafon

I think the story was that a tweet went out with the pronoun “he,” but then the Times clarified that the person who tweeted that did not know the gender of the author.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:14:47pm

(It’s a he)

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:16:13pm

Radley thinks it’s a ‘she.’

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:17:07pm

re: #12 JordanRules

Is that resignation with assurances he won’t get indicted by like 10 different jurisdictions the minute he’s gone?

Hell no!

He has to pay. He needs to be made an example.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:17:37pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Doesn’t matter how much Kavanaugh struggles, or how much drama there is. He’s going to be confirmed.

Best to have him leave a huge dirty wake so when he does rule out of line, there’s something to go back to.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:18:03pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

Radley thinks it’s a ‘she.’

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:19:22pm

re: #76 ObserverArt

Hell no!

He has to pay. He needs to be made an example.

Oh I definitely agree. I just don’t think he resigns without that though.
I hope that deal isn’t made.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:20:44pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:21:16pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Doesn’t matter how much Kavanaugh struggles, or how much drama there is. He’s going to be confirmed.

With Kyl appointed to the Senate, even Collins can’t stop it. The Left will have a conniption if Manchin, Heitkamp and other red state Democrats in tough races vote to confirm, but they can’t stop the Republicans, and we badly need as many Red State Democratic Senators to survive as possible.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:21:40pm

Where is the world is Mike Pence (Besides grabbing a fap with every buzz today)? I bet he can taste it.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:22:23pm

re: #81 Big Beautiful Door

With Kyl appointed to the Senate, even Collins can’t stop it. The Left will have a conniption if Manchin, Heitkamp and other red state Democrats in tough races vote to confirm, but they can’t stop the Republicans, and we badly need as many Red State Democratic Senators to survive as possible.

Come on. Nobody needs to confirm him to win their race.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:23:03pm
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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:25:20pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:25:29pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:25:40pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

First assumption: Trump is exhibiting signs behind closed doors that he’s on the verge of a total mental collapse and the staff are worried about what comes next after that. Namely how the fuck they get the Congressional GOP to take steps to remove him from office without sending everything wingnut from to Azerbaijan into a frothing rage at the “conspiracy.”

This segment is about the process in the House.

Raskin Talks 25th Amendment, Anonymous Trump Official’s NYT Op-Ed

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:25:48pm

re: #83 JordanRules

Come on. Nobody needs to confirm him to win their race.

I don’t know that. I’m just sayin I’m not going to crucify them if they do think they need to vote to confirm since the GOP has the votes they need anyway.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:27:57pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:29:50pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:29:53pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:31:22pm
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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:34:42pm

re: #92 jaunte

It never ends well in movies when the monster reaches that stage.

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Scout  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:35:11pm

LOL

Conan reads my hometown newspaper:

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:35:19pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:35:29pm

Occam’s Razor and all that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:37:17pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

Radley thinks it’s a ‘she.’

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It was Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout.

Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout Would Not Take the Garbage Out

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:37:25pm
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calochortus  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:37:27pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Occam’s Razor and all that.

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On the other hand, maybe someone wanted to implicate Pence so that all the knives would be out and everyone would turn on everyone else.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:37:27pm

re: #92 jaunte

Especially funny given Woodward’s book. (Yes, it’s funny. It’s not that other emotion we use humor to hide.)

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William Lewis  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:37:48pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Occam’s Razor and all that.

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What? I like old words too.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:38:21pm

Watching Kavanaugh and thinking about the anonymous op-ed in the Times, part of the conservative White House rebellion against Trump is that he’s so lazy and distracted by ego that he falls short of the ideal calculating, nasty, committed destroyer of legal protections for the vulnerable in the mold of the Federalist Society judges list.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:41:38pm

re: #88 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t know that. I’m just sayin I’m not going to crucify them if they do think they need to vote to confirm since the GOP has the votes they need anyway.

In fact, looking at it from the other side, as long as the GOP has 50 votes they ought to let Collins vote no so she can maintain her pro-choice bona fides.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:41:59pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Occam’s Scrivener!

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:43:05pm

Lawrence O’Donnell is thinking the Times op-ed was written by Dan Coats.

He said it had all of the old time Republican things that were positives in the piece. Tax reduction, Military, Regulatory reductions.

And all the mention of Russia, which he knows all too well now in his recent appointment. Helsinki and McCain passing may have made him think about the mess it all is.

And, he is 76, a former respected Republican Senator and will have no further political job in the future, so he doesn’t give a shit.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:43:26pm

Lode Mother

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:43:56pm

So Lawrence goes with Coats.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:47:28pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Doesn’t matter how much Kavanaugh struggles, or how much drama there is. He’s going to be confirmed.

That may be. Every Democrat running from Senate to dogcatcher can hang Kavanaugh over the necks of their opponents as an example of both parties are not the same to the endless dupes who believe that zombie decades-old conservative lie.

Kavanaugh has apparently admitted to lying under oath to Senator Leahy. That can be used to remove him via impeachment later, if for some reason his confirmation isn’t derailed.

As for my own so-called never-Trumper Senator Ben Sasse, he’s like the rest of them, oh so concerned but will put party over country. With a dollop of misogamy on top. Even local radio stations today excoriated him over his “hysteria” comment.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:47:29pm

Heh, Lawrence just said Trump is on the hunt and thinks it is someone in National Security or Justice Department.

Gonna be some heat and maybe some Friday Newsdumping!

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:48:56pm

There are ways I could go off on the word ‘lode’ but this is a family website.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:50:20pm

Lode Mother On The Train

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:50:31pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:55:01pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:55:43pm

re: #99 calochortus

On the other hand, maybe someone wanted to implicate Pence so that all the knives would be out and everyone would turn on everyone else.

Steve Bannon speaks about tearing down the “Administrative State.” Considering my now-cancelled subscription to The Economist for normalising that fascist under the imprimatur of their magazine, and the fact the Times has been fascist-curious since Hitler, I’ll put a fin on him.

Trump can’t fire Bannon, but his wingnut backers can.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:56:02pm

re: #99 calochortus

On the other hand, maybe someone wanted to implicate Pence so that all the knives would be out and everyone would turn on everyone else.

None of these people except Coats are that clever and I think he’s both too aware of the risks to himself and the destabilizing impact this would bring / has brought. Coats also doesn’t have the potential personal upside reward that Pence would obviously see in such a move.

Pence is the only one who truly personally benefits from destabilizing Trump further.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:57:06pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Occam’s Razor and all that.

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Put some roux in the plot.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 7:59:54pm

Whole thing is just a goddamn mess.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:00:02pm

re: #116 JordanRules

“We have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda.”
Any evidence of said thwarting?

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:01:09pm

re: #118 jaunte

“We have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda.”
Any evidence of said thwarting?

Well, he hasn’t nuked Mexico City.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:01:38pm

Freepers are flipping out. Treason, sedition, we need to force the NYT to give up the person who wrote the opinion piece, etc., etc.

121
jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:02:07pm

Maybe they thwarted his infrastructure plan.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:04:20pm

re: #118 jaunte

“We have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda.”
Any evidence of said thwarting?

LOL I thwarted myself.

I love mysteries. Our Republic is on life support. I gotta do something to keep from screaming.

Back to Google, my Cabot Cove, for more sleuthing!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:05:12pm
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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:05:41pm

Funny

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:05:58pm

re: #118 jaunte

“We have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda.”
Any evidence of said thwarting?

Supposedly, Trump wanted to assassinate Assad early in his term.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:06:47pm

“We stand thwart history, yelling Stop.”

History, of course ignores our futile effort to impose stasis on what must be by its nature fluid.

127
teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:07:04pm
128
HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:07:09pm

re: #120 calochortus

Freepers are flipping out. Treason, sedition, we need to force the NYT to give up the person who wrote the opinion piece, etc., etc.

They surely love the Constitution don’t they?

129
JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:07:49pm

McCain used lodestar in his 60 Minutes interview.

I’m finding more lodestars y’all!

130
calochortus  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:08:28pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

They surely love the Constitution don’t they?

Well, of course they do. And they have as deep an understanding of the Constitution as they do of the Bible.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:08:30pm

Tropical Depression Gordon is expected to bring heavy rains to Iowa and Illinois, along with the usual threat of tornadoes from a dying tropical storm over land.

BULLETIN
Tropical Depression Gordon Advisory Number 15
NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD AL072018
1000 PM CDT Wed Sep 05 2018

…GORDON CONTINUES TO WEAKEN OVER WESTERN MISSISSIPPI…
…THREAT OF HEAVY RAINS AND FLOODING WILL CONTINUE FOR SEVERAL
DAYS…

SUMMARY OF 1000 PM CDT…0300 UTC…INFORMATION
———————————————————————-
LOCATION…33.2N 91.0W
ABOUT 80 MI…125 KM NW OF JACKSON MISSISSIPPI
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS…25 MPH…40 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT…NNW OR 330 DEGREES AT 8 MPH…13 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE…1013 MB…29.92 INCHES

WATCHES AND WARNINGS
——————————
Flash Flood Watches are in effect over portions of Mississippi,
northeast Louisiana, and Arkansas.

There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect.

For more information on Gordon, please see products issued by your
local National Weather Service office.

For storm information specific to your area, including possible
inland watches and warnings, please monitor products issued by your
local National Weather Service forecast office.

DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
———————————
At 1000 PM CDT (0300 UTC), the center of Tropical Depression Gordon
was located near latitude 33.2 North, longitude 91.0 West. The
depression is moving toward the north-northwest near 8 mph (13 km/h)
and this motion is expected to is expected to continue overnight.

Maximum sustained winds are near 25 mph (40 km/h) with higher
gusts. Some weakening is forecast during the next 48 hours.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1013 mb (29.92 inches).

HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
———————————
RAINFALL: Gordon is expected to produce total rain accumulations of
2 to 4 inches over portions of western Mississippi, southern and
western Arkansas, and from western to northern Missouri into
adjacent parts of Illinois with isolated maximum amounts of 6 inches
through early Saturday. This rainfall will cause flash flooding
across portions of these areas.

For more information on rainfall totals please see the Storm Summary
available at wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

WIND: Wind gusts to tropical storm force may occur in showers
and thunderstorms associated with Gordon overnight.

NEXT ADVISORY
——————-
Next complete advisory at 400 AM CDT.

$$
Forecaster Hayes/Gallina/Rausch

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 06/0300Z 33.2N 91.0W 20 KT 25 MPH…INLAND
12H 06/1200Z 34.0N 91.6W 20 KT 25 MPH…INLAND
24H 07/0000Z 33.8N 92.8W 15 KT 15 MPH…INLAND
36H 07/1200Z 34.3N 93.6W 15 KT 15 MPH…INLAND
48H 08/0000Z 35.3N 93.9W 15 KT 15 MPH…POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
72H 09/0000Z 37.2N 92.2W 15 KT 15 MPH…POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 10/0000Z 39.9N 88.7W 20 KT 25 MPH…POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

nhc.noaa.gov

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:09:36pm

Like a Lodestar cowboy.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:11:02pm

Friday would be the perfect time for Mueller to drop another news item, or the NYAG office to file charges against the Trump Foundation. Trump is so close to cracking right now with the Woodward book, the NYT op-ed and the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing drama.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:11:21pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Like a Lodestar cowboy.

Ha!!
That’s good lodestar content!

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:11:55pm
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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:12:50pm

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

I predict Trump and Co. will do nothing in response if there are flooding emergencies in any areas where minorities live.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:13:23pm

re: #135 jaunte

[Embedded content]

How dare Shakespeare write about Trump that way!

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:13:37pm

“Who then shall blame
His pestered senses to recoil and start,
When all that is within him does condemn
Itself for being there?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:13:40pm

re: #120 calochortus

Freepers are flipping out. Treason, sedition, we need to force the NYT to give up the person who wrote the opinion piece, etc., etc.

Top article over at RedState:

Boston Police Captain’s Islamic Terrorist Son Sentenced

(not linking, you can find it yourself if you wish to read that)

They are also busy flying the bullshit flag on the New York Times op-ed piece, but for different reasons than discussed here.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:13:42pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:14:24pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Like a Lodestar cowboy.

I thought is was a Stephen Stills tune

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:14:27pm

Kamala Harris is a goddamned assassin.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:14:55pm

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

Top article over at RedState:

(not linking, you can find it yourself if you wish to read that)

They are also busy flying the bullshit flag on the New York Times op-ed piece, but for different reasons than discussed here.

So they’re choosing the “la, la, la. I can’t hear you” coping mechanism?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:15:11pm

re: #140 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Grassley and Hatch, two longtime GOPers. Trump’s not the only problem by a long shot.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:17:27pm
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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:21:17pm
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Belafon  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:23:12pm

Would you like to teach your toddler the ABC’s and D&D: amazon.com

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:23:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:26:01pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Nike is an international company. Stop fucking bullying companies over shit that doesn’t involve you because you need Kaepernick to distract your base from what a traitorous scumbag you are.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:26:01pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

It is Known.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:26:48pm

Forget him getting out of office. He needs to be institutionalized.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:27:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:28:48pm

re: #152 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

You are the swamp. Go to bed and hopefully wake up with an arrest warrant.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:28:57pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:29:20pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

Paul Begala
✔
@PaulBegala
I know it’s late.
I know you’re weary.
I know your plans don’t include admitting or denying under oath whether you, as an appeals court judge who could well rule on the Mueller probe, discussed the Mueller probe with someone at a law firm that has represented the President.

We’ve got tonight, who needs tomorrow?
We’ve got tonight Brett
Why don’t you take a flying fuck at a rolling donut? Take a flying fuck at the mooooon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:31:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:31:43pm

re: #154 jaunte

[Embedded content]

It’s really a lot like the German right and Hitler. Damned assholes were too concerned with their ideological whims that they didn’t care about unleashing a fascist know nothing on the rest of us. They all need to be held responsible.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:32:12pm

re: #156 Anymouse 🌹

[Embedded content]

Right on Dave.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:32:12pm

re: #36 mmmirele

6KxbEOCHdxjpGp+O+dQ9iqKEbqigsGiMvv1h6Gy+HxEvNvBXu260bQ492HgsIkkzj4Chwc/LvKy/r1BYl08N4puYCK4HJSbYpKumEvdL8NkJ2pdCtm1qQURf9oW1Cwhj

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:32:21pm
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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:33:25pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Grassley and Hatch, two longtime GOPers. Trump’s not the only problem by a long shot.

It is quite disappointing how much being a fucking hack is rewarded by the GOP establishment.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:33:32pm

re: #160 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Good for them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:34:08pm

re: #161 KGxvi

It is quite disappointing how much being a fucking hack is rewarded by the GOP establishment.

They’re all rotten.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:34:56pm

re: #154 jaunte

So basically still on “but the judges!”?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:35:24pm

It’ll never happen but the GOP needs to get the same treatment Communists did under McCarthy. I’m dead serious.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:36:17pm

re: #164 KGxvi

So basically still on “but the judges!”?

All they care about are their stupid Scalia clones dominating our federal courthouses.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:36:19pm

re: #107 Hecuba’s daughter

So Lawrence goes with Coats.

And Jennifer goes with a 2nd tier staffer; someone who has experience in writing material for newspapers. She was skeptical that someone at the top level would actually expose themselves this way. But we will probably know sometime this week.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:36:36pm
169
jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:36:44pm

Local Houston news (CBS) just conducted a viewer poll to see who thought the NYT editorial was real or fiction (fake news!). Just 56% of respondents voted that it was real.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:36:49pm
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calochortus  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:36:50pm

We’re leaving for a long weekend tomorrow-far from TV, internet, and cell phone service. I wonder if this is good or bad?
On the one hand, I won’t have to be glued to media of one sort or another waiting for a shoe to drop. So, it’s probably good. On the other hand, if something does happen, I won’t know about it until Sunday-unless it’s really amazing, in which case a new arrival where we’re staying would probably share the news.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:37:06pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

It’ll never happen but the GOP needs to get the same treatment Communists did under McCarthy. I’m dead serious.

Actually, they need the treatment McCarthy got at the end of his reign of terror…

At Long Last…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:37:42pm

re: #169 jaunte

Local Houston news (CBS) just conducted a viewer poll to see who thought the NYT editorial was real or fiction (fake news!). Just 56% of respondents voted that it was real.

Yet Trump is raging about and calling it treason. Pick a narrative you cultist losers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:38:04pm

re: #172 KGxvi

Actually, they need the treatment McCarthy got at the end of his reign of terror…

[Embedded content]

That would be fine too.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:38:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:39:47pm

re: #175 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Right Senator Graham or are you too busy being peed on by Trump to comment?

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:40:04pm

re: #171 calochortus

We’re leaving for a long weekend tomorrow-far from TV, internet, and cell phone service. I wonder if this is good or bad?
On the one hand, I won’t have to be glued to media of one sort or another waiting for a shoe to drop. So, it’s probably good. On the other hand, if something does happen, I won’t know about it until Sunday-unless it’s really amazing, in which case a new arrival where we’re staying would probably share the news.

I recommend Yukon.

178
Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:40:25pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Semi-CL’d:

Look, there are Constitutional mechanisms for limiting the power of a President or removing him/her. You can invoke Article 25 and put a caretaker in charge, or you can impeach.

That’s it. Those are your options.

What you CAN’T do is what this Op/Ed writer has said “he” and his co-conspirators have done, which is basically deciding to hamstring the guy in the Oval without letting him know or telling him why.

This is outside of Constitutional norms. This an admission that they have independently decided to create a Constitutional Crisis from inside the White House.

That’s is. Full stop.

This is a Palace Coup and should be the only thing that is being talked about. Who are they? Who outside of the WH supports this? This is an unelected group (unless Pence is in on it) who have subverted our Government.

Historians can bark about the situation after Wilson had his big ass stroke, but this isn’t about a health issue per se. Trump is exactly who and what he was when elected. He hasn’t changed a bit. He has done exactly what he said he was going to do. And these people have done their best to de-fang him.

This is what is unprecedented. This is all that should be discussed. Republicans have attempted to decapitate the vested power within the Republican White House.

Can’t agree with this take. You’ve identified maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the problem - no way should it be okay for the Executive Branch to be failing to carry out the President’s will.

However, also no way should the President’s will include killing the entire Syrian Government on a whim.

Also, no way should the Cabinet, knowing what they know about Trump, have NOT put the 25th Amendment into action, and no way should the Congress have any difficulty coming up with a 2/3 majority to kick Trump to the curb.

But here we are. If the Cabinet and the Congress won’t act to remove him, despite the majority seeing him as unfit for the job, what should they do? Just let him run wild?

The problem is not JUST the usurpation. It’s the unwillingness of the Cabinet and the Congress to act to remove him, instead picking and choosing what they like.

But you know, he’s the boss. If he asks for something to be done, and it’s not done, it’s kind of up to him to raise a stink, demand it be done, fire the person(s) who failed to act. If he doesn’t do that, maybe he didn’t really mean it? The guy I used to work for would often tell me to do stuff I knew was stupid. I would say, “Okay” and not do it, knowing he’d forget, or that he’d be fine with how I did it, once it was done, even if it wasn’t how he’d demanded it be done.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:41:31pm

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹

I recommend Yukon.

Kind of far for a long weekend. We’ll settle for Lassen Volcanic Nat’l Park. The southeastern corner has a lovely little rustic resort.

180
HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:44:09pm

I’m just going back to November 2016 and still wondering what the hell did we do. To quote Yeats, all’s changed utterly. As much as we may like, we’ll never go back to where we were before this.

181
Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:45:52pm

re: #78 jaunte

THE PICTURE OF DORIAN HUCKY BOO BOO!
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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:47:03pm

re: #167 Hecuba’s daughter

And Jennifer goes with a 2nd tier staffer; someone who has experience in writing material for newspapers. She was skeptical that someone at the top level would actually expose themselves this way. But we will probably know sometime this week.

Omarosa going with 2nd tier too. I think those are the only people who are pulling guesses from that group.

183
BlueSpotinAL  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:49:26pm

Mueller should find a way to use “lodestar” in his next indictment.

184
austin_blue  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:49:58pm

re: #41 Scottish Dragon

Exactly. There is no constitutional mechanism for what the author is describing is the way the government functions right now.

Exactly. Why is this not the story?

185
Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:51:13pm

The tcot hashtag is lit up tonight on Twitter.

Apparently conservatives can be simultaneously “censored” from Twitter, yet plaster a ton of tweets there. Truly a marvel, Schrodinger’s conservatives.

186
goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:54:36pm
187
calochortus  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:56:53pm

I suppose I’d better go pack a few things.
Hasta mañana proxima semana
Be good.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:57:49pm

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:58:19pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:58:57pm
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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 8:59:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:01:21pm

Yes, this is a thing.

republicansingles.com

Everything about the owners at ICANN’s whois page is listed as “private.” I wonder who’s running this grift?

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:01:38pm

re: #188 BlueSpotinAL

I tweeted this.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:01:59pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Semi-CL’d:

Look, there are Constitutional mechanisms for limiting the power of a President or removing him/her. You can invoke Article 25 and put a caretaker in charge, or you can impeach.

That’s it. Those are your options.

What you CAN’T do is what this Op/Ed writer has said “he” and his co-conspirators have done, which is basically deciding to hamstring the guy in the Oval without letting him know or telling him why.

This is outside of Constitutional norms. This an admission that they have independently decided to create a Constitutional Crisis from inside the White House.

That’s is. Full stop.

This is a Palace Coup and should be the only thing that is being talked about. Who are they? Who outside of the WH supports this? This is an unelected group (unless Pence is in on it) who have subverted our Government.

Historians can bark about the situation after Wilson had his big ass stroke, but this isn’t about a health issue per se. Trump is exactly who and what he was when elected. He hasn’t changed a bit. He has done exactly what he said he was going to do. And these people have done their best to de-fang him.

This is what is unprecedented. This is all that should be discussed. Republicans have attempted to decapitate the vested power within the Republican White House.

The 25th Amendment is really designed to address times when the president can’t perform his duties due to health reasons - it’s basically a response to things like Wilson’s stroke or the possibility that a president could survive an assassination attempt that leaves him unable to conduct his duties (imagine Kennedy surviving Dallas).

I mentioned in an earlier thread, if the Cabinet invokes the 25th Amendment, Trump could immediately send a letter to Congress saying he’s fine, thereby reassuming the powers of the office, and immediate fire the entire cabinet (they serve at the pleasure of the president) before they could send the second letter that would trigger Congressional review. That’s a real constitutional crisis that (hopefully in a rational world) results in impeachment proceedings.

Trump’s unfit for office. And that in and of itself is grounds for impeachment, based on what the Founders themselves said of impeachment. And really, that’s our best option. But there doesn’t seem to be the political will to make it happen.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:02:49pm

re: #116 JordanRules

Put some roux in the plot.

[Embedded content]

And John McCain used the term himself:

“I was raised in the concept and belief that duty, honor, country is the lodestar for the behavior that we have to exhibit every single day,” he said.

If that’s all they have to point to Pence, I think it’s pretty weak sauce. (And it doesn’t sound at all like anything Pence has ever said or written)

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:03:14pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:04:52pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:05:20pm

re: #195 BeachDem

Yeah. Mother isn’t mentioned.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:06:40pm

re: #195 BeachDem

Pence definitely moved to the bottom of my list now. He would have inflected it with more values bullshit too I think.

I believe we also have a Bloomberg lodestar sighting. Someone said he’s used it before.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:09:24pm

re: #106 jaunte

Lode Mother

Motherlode.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:11:27pm

re: #189 Ace-o-aces

This has been a far right hobby horse for a while. I saw more than a bit of it in my Federalist Society days. The idea is based on some arcane notion of how one’s birth determines one’s loyalty. As if there’s a difference between being born 20 miles north or 20 miles south of a river. And then there’s a whole thing about how because a parent might not “be subject to the jurisdiction” of the US (which they take to mean “illegal”), then that calls into question an infant’s loyalty. None of it makes any kind of sense in the modern world if you think about it for more than 15 seconds.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2018 • 9:11:38pm

re: #168 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Nikki Haley is too far removed from the action and SHE IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO HAVE WRITTEN THAT. (She is slimy enough to stage a palace coup, though, so there’s that.)

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sagehen  Sep 5, 2018 • 10:25:04pm

re: #169 jaunte

Local Houston news (CBS) just conducted a viewer poll to see who thought the NYT editorial was real or fiction (fake news!). Just 56% of respondents voted that it was real.

Was this a viewers call in poll? Cause the people who watch broadcast TV news and call in are significantly older than the electorate.


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