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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 10:55:49am

It’s not. And it hasn’t been for a long time.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2018 • 10:58:46am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:01:45am

re: #2 jaunte

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But but deep state. //

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:07:45am

Republicans still open to treason to maintain power.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:08:37am

re: #4 Single-handed sailor

Republicans still open to treason to maintain power.

riding the crocodile, hoping it eats them last.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:09:49am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

But but deep state. //

God, that phrase annoys me more than any of their others. Apparently the concept of career Civil Servants who do all the actual work of Government is beyond their comprehension.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:11:08am

re: #6 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

God, that phrase annoys me more than any of their others. Apparently the concept of career Civil Servants who do all the actual work of Government is beyond their comprehension.

I know. It’s like fake news. Meaningless bs.

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ericblair  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:13:45am

re: #6 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

God, that phrase annoys me more than any of their others. Apparently the concept of career Civil Servants who do all the actual work of Government is beyond their comprehension.

I think it was David Frum who told everyone to translate “deep state” to “rule of law”, and everything makes sense. Like “law and order” to “terrorizing black and brown people” and “fiscal responsibility” to “stop giving money to black and brown people”.

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:14:54am

Obama is currently America’s last legitimate President.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:16:04am

re: #8 ericblair

I think it was David Frum who told everyone to translate “deep state” to “rule of law”, and everything makes sense. Like “law and order” to “terrorizing black and brown people” and “fiscal responsibility” to “stop giving money to black and brown people”.

That’s probably true, but I really think the RWNJs expect that when their guy gets in, the entire apparatus is supposed to be swept away and replaced with True Believers.

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ipsos  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:16:48am

re: #9 Kragar

Obama is currently America’s last legitimate President.

And since he’s no longer eligible to serve in the office of the Presidency, by rights the current legitimate occupant of the office must be…

(checks notes)

… some guy named Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.

Works for me.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:19:32am

Just carrying over the discussion from the end of the previous thread.

The biggest and unfortunately totally unfixable problem with Trump is that he views every single interaction through the gravitational lens of his own massive ego. He explicitly said the reason he hired Omorosa and kept her on despite Kelly’s objections was that “she only said great things about me.” It’s the reason behind all the dysfunction detailed so far in the excerpts from Woodward’s book, the reason the anonymous NYT op-ed writer decided to go through with that bullshit stunt, the reason Trump was so easily suckered into both the disastrous Helsinki and Singapore summits. It’s gotten him to this point where he’s psychologically unravelling before our eyes as paranoia sets in after repeatedly being stabbed in the back by people he shouldn’t have trusted but did. He’s caught in a viper pit trap of his own making where he’s surrounded himself with scheming, obsequious people, almost none of whom truly respect him and many if not most of whom hate him and are terrified by what he’s capable of.

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:20:16am

re: #11 ipsos

And since he’s no longer eligible to serve in the office of the Presidency, by rights the current legitimate occupant of the office must be…

(checks notes)

… some guy named Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.

Works for me.

Biden runs, picks Obama as his VP. Resigns on his first day. Obama nominates Biden to be his replacement VP.

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ipsos  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:21:25am

re: #13 Kragar

Biden runs, picks Obama as his VP. Resigns on his first day. Obama nominates Biden to be his replacement VP.

Pretty sure you can’t swear in a VP who’s not eligible to become POTUS. So neither Obama nor (god help us) GWB are eligible to become VP. I think.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:23:21am

We’ll find someone but man I do miss Obama big time. Best President of my lifetime and it’s not close.

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ericblair  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:25:09am

re: #10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s probably true, but I really think the RWNJs expect that when their guy gets in, the entire apparatus is supposed to be swept away and replaced with True Believers.

Oh, of course they do. But what they want to do is illegal, destructive, disgusting, or mostly nonsensical, and most of their True Believers have no idea how to operate a bureaucracy. It’s like stealing an airliner when none of the thieves are pilots. The civil servants are rarely true believers; they follow the law and generally try to do their proper jobs. So, the bureaucracy, by necessity or by choice, pushes back, and these idiots don’t know what to do.

That’s why Dick Cheney was so dangerous and could get away with so much. He was SecDef and he knew how to fuck with the system and force them to do what they didn’t want to do. So Iraq.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:26:00am
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:26:12am

re: #13 Kragar

Biden runs, picks Obama as his VP. Resigns on his first day. Obama nominates Biden to be his replacement VP.

The only way Obama could serve would be in the third year of the presidency, if he were pulled out of retirement. He cannot be VP because he’s inelegible to run. The VP has to be able to take over at any time, but the president is limited to at most 10years of service.

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:27:16am

re: #18 Belafon

The only way Obama could serve would be in the third yearhof the presidency, if he were pulled out of retirement. He cannot be VP because he’s inelegible to run. The VP has to be able to take over at any time, but the president is limited to at most 10years of service.

Fine, we’ll throw in Hillary as Speaker of the House as well.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:27:23am

re: #8 ericblair

I think it was David Frum who told everyone to translate “deep state” to “rule of law”, and everything makes sense. Like “law and order” to “terrorizing black and brown people” and “fiscal responsibility” to “stop giving money to black and brown people”.

I said that, it’s just that less people pay attention to me than do to Frum.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:28:23am

re: #17 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Lame

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:28:40am

re: #13 Kragar

Biden runs, picks Obama as his VP. Resigns on his first day. Obama nominates Biden to be his replacement VP.

Nope, can’t work. Obama, having served two terms as president is not eligible to be VP because he is not eligible to be president under the 12th Amendment. There’s apparently some scholarly argument that the 22nd Amendment gives wiggle room to that rule but it seems a bit specious to me.

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thecommodore  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:29:08am
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Jay C  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:29:33am

re: #10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s probably true, but I really think the RWNJs expect that when their guy gets in, the entire apparatus is supposed to be swept away and replaced with True Believers.

Pretty much: a return that that grand old American tradition of the 19th-Century Spoils System, where a change of Administration meant the wholesale replacement of Federal appointees from Cabinet officials right down to Post Office clerks by “loyal” party hacks. Of course, there were a few drawbacks, but that’s probably the ideal for today’s RWNJs.
“Loyal”, of course, in today’s context, meaning “mindless Trump cultist”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:30:11am

re: #22 KGxvi

Nope, can’t work. Obama, having served two terms as president is not eligible to be VP because he is not eligible to be president under the 12th Amendment. There’s apparently some scholarly argument that the 22nd Amendment gives wiggle room to that rule but it seems a bit specious to me.

I thought the limit was on two consecutive terms

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:30:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:31:19am

re: #10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s probably true, but I really think the RWNJs expect that when their guy gets in, the entire apparatus is supposed to be swept away and replaced with True Believers.

We stopped teaching Civics a long time ago. Probably still taught it was Trump was a student but I think he might have missed that class.

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Jay C  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:31:50am

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought the limit was on two consecutive terms

It is. Which Obama has served (excellently).

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:31:52am
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:32:08am

re: #22 KGxvi

Nope, can’t work. Obama, having served two terms as president is not eligible to be VP because he is not eligible to be president under the 12th Amendment. There’s apparently some scholarly argument that the 22nd Amendment gives wiggle room to that rule but it seems a bit specious to me.

The way I read it the only possible way for Obama to become President again under current rules is if he becomes Speaker of the House (or holds some other office in the line of succession) and ascends to the Presidency with less than two years left in a current President’s term. He could probably be nominated as an interim replacement VP with less than two years left as well.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:32:23am
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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:32:51am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

I know. It’s like fake news. Meaningless bs.

‘socialism’

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:33:13am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:33:45am

re: #26 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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No, Ben we got Trump because of your stupid ideology but nice try you fucking feckless pansy.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:34:06am

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought the limit was on two consecutive terms

22nd:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Max is technically 10 years (or 9 years, 364 days). But it’s two terms on your own merit, whether consecutive or not.

Carter and GHW Bush are technically eligible to be VP. But age sort of rules them out.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:34:25am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:34:41am

re: #31 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Ben is a stupid person’s idea of an intellectual. I’m really fed up with him acting like he’s somehow anti-Trump but loves pushing Trump talking points. I really wish he would just go the fuck away already.

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b.d.(tremendously big & tremendously wet)  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:36:14am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Its YOU ARE ignorance LIBTARD!!

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:36:43am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

The way I read it the only possible way for Obama to become President again under current rules is if he becomes Speaker of the House (or holds some other office in the line of succession) and ascends to the Presidency with less than two years left in a current President’s term. He could probably be nominated as an interim replacement VP with less than two years left as well.

I think they’d have to skip over him if he was in the line of succession, a la Kissinger/Albright as Secretary of State. I mean, in that case, he wouldn’t be elected president, but it would create a bit of a constitutional crisis that we don’t really need/want.

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:36:45am

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Just carrying over the discussion from the end of the previous thread.

The biggest and unfortunately totally unfixable problem with Trump is that he views every single interaction through the gravitational lens of his own massive ego. He explicitly said the reason he hired Omorosa and kept her on despite Kelly’s objections was that “she only said great things about me.” It’s the reason behind all the dysfunction detailed so far in the excerpts from Woodward’s book, the reason the anonymous NYT op-ed writer decided to go through with that bullshit stunt, the reason Trump was so easily suckered into both the disastrous Helsinki and Singapore summits. It’s gotten him to this point where he’s psychologically unravelling before our eyes as paranoia sets in after repeatedly being stabbed in the back by people he shouldn’t have trusted but did. He’s caught in a viper pit trap of his own making where he’s surrounded himself with scheming, obsequious people, almost none of whom truly respect him and many if not most of whom hate him and are terrified by what he’s capable of.

i will add, because it’s my favorite part, he said:

She begged me for a job, tears in her eyes

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:36:49am
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:37:01am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:37:50am

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Ben is a stupid person’s idea of an intellectual. I’m really fed up with him acting like he’s somehow anti-Trump but loves pushing Trump talking points. I really wish he would just go the fuck away already.

He hates Trump for being antisemitic, but likes his racism. What’s a Jewish bigot to do in the era of Trump?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:38:04am
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:38:20am

re: #39 KGxvi

I think they’d have to skip over him if he was in the line of succession, a la Kissinger/Albright as Secretary of State. I mean, in that case, he wouldn’t be elected president, but it would create a bit of a constitutional crisis that we don’t really need/want.

I think we can all agree that it’s not going to happen.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:38:22am

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

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But Ben Shapiro says Obama’s lecturing us. God I hate that little pissant and his smug for no good reason grin. He’s a perfect example of how the right pushes extremely dishonest people on us who say nothing by saying a lot.

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thecommodore  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:38:22am

re: #28 Jay C

It is. Which Obama has served (excellently).

Under the 22nd Amendment, the limit is two terms in a lifetime. Period. Consecutive or not. Obama cannot legally be POTUS again.

He could become Speaker of the House, or Secretary of State, or President Pro Tempore of the Senate, but he would not be in the line of succession because he has already served two terms.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:39:32am

re: #47 thecommodore

Under the 22nd Amendment, the limit is two terms in a lifetime. Period. Consecutive or not. Obama cannot legally be POTUS again.

He could become Speaker of the House, or Secretary of State, or President Pro Tempore of the Senate, but he would not be in the line of succession because he has already served two terms.

How about if we stop his heart for a minute and then restart it?

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ericblair  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:40:57am

re: #48 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

How about if we stop his heart for a minute and then restart it?

Vote for Zombie Obama. Your afterlife depends on it.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:42:51am

re: #48 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

How about if we stop his heart for a minute and then restart it?

You beat me to it!

‘Reanimated corpse of Obama 2020!’

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sagehen  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:43:48am

re: #35 KGxvi

22nd:

Max is technically 10 years (or 9 years, 364 days). But it’s two terms on your own merit, whether consecutive or not.

Carter and GHW Bush are technically eligible to be VP. But age sort of rules them out.

And nobody yet in this thread says MICHELLE!!!

She’s a graduate of Harvard Law, she’s done a lot for veterans and their families, never a breath of scandal, she’s super-popular at home and abroad. Except for Senator, she’s got basically the same credentials Hillary had in 2008.

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:44:33am

re: #14 ipsos

Pretty sure you can’t swear in a VP who’s not eligible to become POTUS. So neither Obama nor (god help us) GWB are eligible to become VP. I think.

he could be speaker
even without being a congressman

then there would be the argument that the 22nd says the limit is ‘elected to the office of president”

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:44:43am

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

I think we can all agree that it’s not going to happen.

Obama is 57, I could imagine a scenario where a Democratic president in 10-12 years asks him to serve as Secretary of State. Quincy Adams ended up in the House, and Taft became Chief Justice, so it’s plausible, but highly not likely.

And I’m guessing any confirmation hearing would spend a lot of time on the line of succession issue.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:45:07am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:45:52am

re: #53 KGxvi

Obama is 57, I could imagine a scenario where a Democratic president in 10-12 years asks him to serve as Secretary of State. Quincy Adams ended up in the House, and Taft became Chief Justice, so it’s plausible, but highly not likely.

And I’m guessing any confirmation hearing would spend a lot of time on the line of succession issue.

Andrew Johnson went to the Senate too. I think it’s a pipedream though. Obama is done in elected politics. We need to find our next generation of leaders. And I think a lot of them showed their colors in the Kavanaugh hearing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:46:01am

re: #51 sagehen

And nobody yet in this thread says MICHELLE!!!

She’s a graduate of Harvard Law, she’s done a lot for veterans and their families, never a breath of scandal, she’s super-popular at home and abroad. Except for Senator, she’s got basically the same credentials Hillary had in 2008.

Hillary crashed and burned with the advantage of being white in America.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:46:14am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I’m sorry but I just don’t believe that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:46:50am
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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:46:57am

re: #51 sagehen

And nobody yet in this thread says MICHELLE!!!

She’s a graduate of Harvard Law, she’s done a lot for veterans and their families, never a breath of scandal, she’s super-popular at home and abroad. Except for Senator, she’s got basically the same credentials Hillary had in 2008.

With all due respect to Michelle… no.

There’s always something that feels banana republicy to me about a wife succeeding a husband in political office (yes, I’m aware it’s happened here in the states, but mostly in places like Alabama, so… banana republicy).

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:47:00am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

But Ben Shapiro says Obama’s lecturing us. God I hate that little pissant and his smug for no good reason grin. He’s a perfect example of how the right pushes extremely dishonest people on us who say nothing by saying a lot.

Obama always was uppity.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:47:29am

I’m really liking Booker, Duckworth, or Harris right now. If he wasn’t busy in Texas running against Cruz, I’d like Beto as a possibility too.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:49:40am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:49:44am

re: #60 Sir John Barron

Obama always was uppity.

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Ben can’t talk about Obama or any PoC without being a condescending twit. He’s a hypocritical asshole. Loves to condescending lecture others while accusing Obama of doing the same thing. As far as I’m concerned, Ben Shapiro is a little hypocrite who wanted to have his cake with the alt-right until they showed their antisemitic colors and then he pretends like he was bothered by Bannon and Milo all along and tries to paint them as “leftists” because he’s too chickenshit to admit his ideology leads to shitty people like that.

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:49:57am
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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:50:17am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

I’m really liking Booker, Duckworth, or Harris right now. If he wasn’t busy in Texas running against Cruz, I’d like Beto as a possibility too.

Beto needs some seasoning in the Senate. It’s been a very long time since someone went from the House to the White House, you have to go back to Garfield or Lincoln for that comparison.

Presidents these days tend to come from three places: the Senate; governors’ mansions; or, the Naval Observatory. With Trump being the obvious outlier.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:51:01am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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We know you didn’t watch the speech, just got the play by play by your grooms of the stool.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:52:16am

re: #65 KGxvi

Beto needs some seasoning in the Senate. It’s been a very long time since someone went from the House to the White House, you have to go back to Garfield or Lincoln for that comparison.

Presidents these days tend to come from three places: the Senate; governors’ mansions; or, the Naval Observatory. With Trump being the obvious outlier.

For sure. Honestly, if he were younger, I’d love Brown of California. Now there’s a man being an executive and being a perfect example of how not to Trump. None of hte other governors really stand out ot me. Not really big on Cuomo.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:52:34am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

We know you didn’t watch the speech, just got the play by play by your grooms of the stool.

Someone should play Obama’s WHCD roast of him again. Just for more shits and giggles.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:53:44am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

For sure. Honestly, if he were younger, I’d love Brown of California. Now there’s a man being an executive and being a perfect example of how not to Trump. None of hte other governors really stand out ot me. Not really big on Cuomo.

Brown had his (best) chance in ‘92.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:53:53am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:54:18am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:54:57am

re: #69 KGxvi

Brown had his (best) chance in ‘92.

I agree. As I said, if he were a younger man and didn’t have that. I wish we had more governors as possibilities. I like my own governor quite a bit but Northam isn’t running for President and I don’t think he’s liberal enough for the base.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:55:03am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Next he’ll be twitter-ranting about Obama and Nazis and there are good people on both sides and….

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:55:46am

im sticking with this ;-)

The 22nd Amendment says “elected.” The drafters of this language knew the difference between getting elected to an office and holding an office. They could have just said ‘no person may hold the office of president more than twice.’ But they didn’t.

a guy can dream….

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b.d.(tremendously big & tremendously wet)  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:56:49am

re: #71 The Vicious Babushka

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I need to try Nikes again, I’ll make sure to buy them at Dick’s Sporting Goods too.

It’s a two fer.

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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:57:10am

if this doesn’t get the “Virgin ben’ to block me, nothing will.

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thecommodore  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:58:37am

re: #51 sagehen

And nobody yet in this thread says MICHELLE!!!

You mean Michael, right?

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b.d.(tremendously big & tremendously wet)  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:58:52am

re: #76 gocart mozart

if this doesn’t get the “Virgin ben’ to block me, nothing will.

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TOO SUBTLE!

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:59:47am

I miss you, Mr. President.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2018 • 11:59:48am

How fucked up is it to want to declare war on Canada? Not only is “The Handmaid’s Tale” a documentary, but so is “South Park!”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:01:05pm

Coolest thing in history, The Shadows 1960.
I was alive then, and this reminds me very much that I am still alive now.

The Shadows - Apache (1960)

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thecommodore  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:01:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:02:15pm

re: #76 gocart mozart

if this doesn’t get the “Virgin ben’ to block me, nothing will.

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Ouch but he deserves that shit. He just doesn’t have the balls to confront the bigotry that is rampant within his ideology but then again he’s a bigot too. Obviously not an anti-semite though his attacks on liberal Jews are disgusting and done in a way that would make David Duke proud.

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thecommodore  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:02:50pm

Then there was this one:

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bratwurst  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:03:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:03:31pm

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

How fucked up is it to want to declare war on Canada? Not only is “The Handmaid’s Tale” a documentary, but so is “South Park!”

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And I totally see why those two Canadian girls told me “We wouldn’t like you if we found out you liked and voted for Trump.” JFC. It’s Canada. They’re a long time fucking ally and I have family there. Thanks Trump voters.

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danarchy  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:03:51pm

re: #13 Kragar

Biden runs, picks Obama as his VP. Resigns on his first day. Obama nominates Biden to be his replacement VP.

The VP must meet the same elligibility requirements as the president. Which means if you have served your 2 terms as pres you can not be VP.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:04:00pm

re: #84 thecommodore

Then there was this one:

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We get it, Donald, you could shoot someone in your cult and your cult would cheer.

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:05:18pm
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:07:10pm

Redding area is still burning.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:07:16pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I agree. As I said, if he were a younger man and didn’t have that. I wish we had more governors as possibilities. I like my own governor quite a bit but Northam isn’t running for President and I don’t think he’s liberal enough for the base.

Supposedly Jay Inslee was talking about it. He will have served two terms as WA Governor in 2020, so I don’t think he’ll run again. Well, Booth Gardner did….

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:07:52pm

re: #89 Kragar

[Anonamoose…]

…Wrote that op-ed, with help from squirrel.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:08:13pm

re: #91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Supposedly Jay Inslee was talking about it. He will have served two terms as WA Governor in 2020, so I don’t think he’ll run again. Well, Booth Gardner did….

Not familiar with him. What can you tell me about him?

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:09:09pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

Refresh. For some reason copy and paste kept grabbing the wrong URL

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thecommodore  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:12:27pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:13:03pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Not familiar with him. What can you tell me about him?

Well, he served several terms in the House before running for Governor. His specialty has really been trade, particularly with Asia, negotiating a number of deals. A little expertise in that area wouldn’t be a lick amiss right now. Generic PNW Liberal other than that….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:13:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:14:34pm

re: #96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, he served several terms in the House before running for Governor. His specialty has really been trade, particularly with Asia, negotiating a number of deals. A little expertise in that area wouldn’t be a lick amiss right now. Generic PNW Liberal other than that….

Ah okay. Not sure but he does sound like someone who could at the very least play a role in a Democratic administration. We’re going to need people who understand trade and Asia after this nitwit is gone.

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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:15:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:15:10pm

re: #97 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Well Donald, you have the answer to “What was Nike thinking?”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:15:38pm

Predictable coverup.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:15:57pm

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

How fucked up is it to want to declare war on Canada? Not only is “The Handmaid’s Tale” a documentary, but so is “South Park!”

Has Drump ever called Russia’s election hacking as “taking advantage of us”?

Didn’t think so.

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lizardofid  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:16:45pm

The shooting at the South Side Flats in Dallas is so sad.

Officer’s blood has been drawn, and the Texas Rangers have been called in.

dallasnews.com

ETA: Sad because of the tragic loss of loss of life. There’s a lot of info about Mr. Jean, the victim, in the article.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:17:01pm

re: #99 gocart mozart

How’s your Obama Derangement Syndrome today, Ben?

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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:17:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:17:53pm

re: #99 gocart mozart

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Ben, please go sit at the table with the other children. And yeah maybe Anti-GOP is actually not such a bad thing. Please tell us what is so acceptable about Mike Pence. Mike Pence who used his taxpayers money on reparative therapy. Mike Pence who thinks Mulan is *checks notes* liberal propaganda. Mike Pence *who checks notes again* doesn’t believe tobacco causes cancer. Nikki Haley? What’s remarkable about her? Is that she busted unions in a state where unions were never possible. Ben, your problem is you think you’re more intelligent than the liberals you mock but you’re actually a pretty unremarkable intellect, a mediocrity even who gets by because he’s not a total moron like Charlie Kirk or Jacob Wohl.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:18:42pm

re: #104 Sir John Barron

How’s your Obama Derangement Syndrome today, Ben?

Seriously, this is a guy who spent the day of his daughter’s birth whining on Twitter about Obama. A man who smeared Chuck Hagel because he didn’t tow Bibi’s line on Israel.

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sagehen  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:19:12pm

re: #69 KGxvi

Brown had his (best) chance in ‘92.

Some of my high school classmates supported him when he was running in ‘76.

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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:19:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:20:11pm

re: #105 gocart mozart

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Ha, I liked Kerry both as a Presidential candidate and SoS. I was glad that Obama gave him an executive branch appointment. Kerry would have been a great President IMO. He did flop on the Edwards VP pick but he understands policy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:20:39pm

re: #109 gocart mozart

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Which Mr. Dean is exactly why he was chosen.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:21:33pm

re: #102 Sir John Barron

Has Drump ever called Russia’s election hacking as “taking advantage of us”?

Didn’t think so.

Of course not. Trump would never dare criticize Papa Putin.

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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:22:26pm

re: #108 sagehen

Brown had his best chance in 1976, he got in late and Carter had a big head start but he did still manage to win a few primaries.

Wiki en.wikipedia.org

Brown began his first campaign for the Democratic nomination for president on March 16, 1976,[33] late in the primary season and over a year after some candidates had started campaigning. Brown declared: “The country is rich, but not so rich as we have been led to believe. The choice to do one thing may preclude another. In short, we are entering an era of limits.”[34][35]

Brown’s name began appearing on primary ballots in May and he won in Maryland, Nevada, and his home state of California.[36] He missed the deadline in Oregon, but he ran as a write-in candidate and finished in third behind Jimmy Carter and Senator Frank Church of Idaho. Brown is often credited with winning the New Jersey and Rhode Island primaries, but in reality, uncommitted slates of delegates that Brown advocated in those states finished first. With support from Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards, Brown won a majority of delegates at the Louisiana delegate selection convention; thus Louisiana was the only southern state to not support Southerners Carter or Alabama Governor George Wallace. Despite this success, he was unable to stall Carter’s momentum, and his rival was nominated on the first ballot at the 1976 Democratic National Convention. Brown finished third with roughly 300 delegate votes, narrowly behind Congressman Morris Udall and Carter.

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:22:42pm

re: #97 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Nike’s online sales jumped 31% after the company unveiled its Kaepernick campaign on.mktw.net

Mr. Trump: THAT’S what nike was thinking

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:23:09pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Well Donald, you have the answer to “What was Nike thinking?”

by seconds…..

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:23:24pm

re: #115 dangerman

by seconds…..

GTMA though :).

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Mike Lamb  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:24:00pm

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

How fucked up is it to want to declare war on Canada? Not only is “The Handmaid’s Tale” a documentary, but so is “South Park!”

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Not sure if Trump knows which country would be in ruins if he fucked with the Canadian auto industry…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:26:26pm

re: #117 Mike Lamb

Not sure if Trump knows which country would be in ruins if he fucked with the Canadian auto industry…

This is why you got Trump. //

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:27:43pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:28:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:31:09pm

re: #119 Kragar

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:32:07pm

re: #97 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:38:09pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
*Your

I love when they walk into the edge of an open door like that.

By the way, I see Steve Stivers mentioned above. I’ve said it before, he is the third House Rep in the central Ohio area…representing OH District 15.

He is another slickster Republican goody-two-shoes type in the mold of Ohio Johnny Kasich. It all sounds good until you dig into the details after his lips stop moving.

And, he is in another ridiculously gerrymandered district.

Hopefully the new Ohio districting law will change that and some of these guys will have to work to get elected.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:41:01pm

re: #51 sagehen

And nobody yet in this thread says MICHELLE!!!

She’s a graduate of Harvard Law, she’s done a lot for veterans and their families, never a breath of scandal, she’s super-popular at home and abroad. Except for Senator, she’s got basically the same credentials Hillary had in 2008.

Except she may be too intelligent to want the job.

And I can’t blame her.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:42:47pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Andrew Johnson went to the Senate too. I think it’s a pipedream though. Obama is done in elected politics. We need to find our next generation of leaders. And I think a lot of them showed their colors in the Kavanaugh hearing.

Kamala Harris.

I’m ready…

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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:43:03pm

re: #50 makeitstop

You beat me to it!

‘Reanimated corpse of Obama 2020!’

Fuck, at this point, I’d be willing to give Nixon’s Head-in-a-Jar a shot.

///

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:44:24pm

that is all

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:45:41pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

ABC News ✔
@ABC
Pres. Trump says he watched former Pres. Obama’s speech this afternoon “but I fell asleep. I’ve found he’s very good, very good for sleeping.” abcn.ws

2:24 PM - Sep 7, 2018

Mr. Asshole President.

A lot of people do not even watch you…at all.

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sagehen  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:45:57pm

re: #126 TedStriker

Fuck, at this point, I’d be willing to give Nixon’s Head-in-a-Jar a shot.

///

That’s the one Republican we could count on to protect the EPA.

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freetoken  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:47:18pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:48:35pm

re: #76 gocart mozart

if this doesn’t get the “Virgin ben’ to block me, nothing will.

Ed Mix
@the_edwin_mix
“Jews lecturing us is LITERALLY how you got Hitler.”

- Some random right wing troll in Germany in the 1930s

2:58 PM - Sep 7, 2018

ZING!!!

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:49:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:50:45pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

Kamala Harris.

I’m ready…

Me too man.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:50:48pm

re: #126 TedStriker

Fuck, at this point, I’d be willing to give Nixon’s Head-in-a-Jar a shot.

///

Richard Nixon’s Aroos

ARROOOOOOOOOOO

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:51:53pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:51:53pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

And I totally see why those two Canadian girls told me “We wouldn’t like you if we found out you liked and voted for Trump.” JFC. It’s Canada. They’re a long time fucking ally and I have family there. Thanks Trump voters.

Don’t worry…Teddy Cruz will tell Trump to stop that talk.

What?

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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:52:01pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Well Donald, you have the answer to “What was Nike thinking?”

Exactly.

In the end, it’s all about the Benjamins; the social conscience aspect of the Kaepernick campaign is big, but it’s still secondary.

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KingKenrod  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:52:14pm

Democrats should use the phrase “Trump cult” 100x a day.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:52:53pm

re: #138 KingKenrod

Democrats should use the phrase “Trump cult” 100x a day.

They should. IT is a cult.

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b.d.(tremendously big & tremendously wet)  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:53:11pm

re: #135 Kragar

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 12:56:57pm
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bratwurst  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:01:02pm

re: #132 Kragar

I used to feel like McCarthy was the dumbest person to be in a position of any kind of leadership in the GOP…until Trump came around.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:01:56pm

re: #141 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s amazing how the Deep State didn’t exist during the Obama Administration or during the Bush Administration or the Clinton Administration or…

Strange how it seemed to appear, fully formed, around January 21, 2017 or so.

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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:04:01pm
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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:06:32pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:08:51pm

re: #145 Kragar

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:08:56pm

re: #145 Kragar

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He’s really losing it isn’t he? No, you idiot, we’re not a developing nation.

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:09:28pm

re: #56 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Hillary crashed and burned with the advantage of being white in America.

Hillary got cheated.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:09:31pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

He’s really losing it isn’t he? No, you idiot, we’re not a developing nation.

He thinks we’re still developing onto the Reich he wants us to be.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:10:07pm

re: #148 JordanRules

Hillary got cheated.

That too, but it wouldn’t have been even close if not for a bias against women in America.

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:10:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:11:55pm

re: #20 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I said that, it’s just that less people pay attention to me than do to Frum.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:12:54pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:13:21pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

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They may be lesser people as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:14:35pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

He’s really losing it isn’t he? No, you idiot, we’re not a developing nation.

He can open his piehole and say whatever comes into his head and already WR pundits are whipping up talking points to support his assertions.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:16:33pm

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He can open his piehole and say whatever comes into his head and already WR pundits are whipping up talking points to support his assertions.

White ring pundits?

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mmmirele  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:17:53pm

re: #76 gocart mozart

if this doesn’t get the “Virgin ben’ to block me, nothing will.

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Someone ELSE remembers when Ben Shapiro was called “The Virgin Ben” because he made such a public big deal about his virginity! On the down side, I can’t make a “Virgin Ben” remark.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:18:03pm

I was a lot less aggravated in general before the destructive Conservatives forced me to take an interest in politics.

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:20:04pm
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sagehen  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:20:32pm

re: #56 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Hillary crashed and burned with the advantage of being white in America.

“Of my two handicaps, being female put many more obstacles in my path than being black.”
— Shirley Chisholm
Read more at: brainyquote.com

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:25:29pm
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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:27:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:29:00pm

re: #156 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

White ring pundits?

Like this kind of White Ring?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:29:57pm

hmmm…

the plot thickens and story continues starting here:

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unproven innocence  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:30:05pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

U R so devious. :)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:32:09pm
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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:32:13pm

re: #160 sagehen

“Of my two handicaps, being female put many more obstacles in my path than being black.”
— Shirley Chisholm
Read more at: brainyquote.com

But Michelle is still black which was the point. You get double trouble. In Shirley’s quote ranking them, we have to remember that the other wasn’t cancelled out.

But if say Kamala runs and is our nominee then we just have to work even harder to overcome both.

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:33:52pm
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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:34:01pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still doesn’t explain where/how/why Trump’s still getting payments from Ritz Carlton unless Ritz Carlton has a leasehold share in that property and is now paying Trump despite no longer being a tenant.

And yeah, my head just hurt because it should be obvious that if they’re no longer tenants of the property they would not have a reason to pay rents (they’re no longer tenants).

There’s indeed something odd about this, and I’d suggest that Fahrenthold check with Crain’s or YIMBY to see if there’s something else going on here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:35:00pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:36:23pm
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Kragar  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:37:12pm
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Jay C  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:40:57pm

re: #171 gocart mozart

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Heh. Salisbury CT is only about 20 minutes from our Berkshires palazzo: I’ve driven by that bank branch numerous times.
Fortunate that no one was hurt, but that’s probably as much crime as that little burg has seen for years….

Though the caption on Torn’s mugshot from that link makes little sense:

Actor Rip Torn is shown in a mugshot from an earlier New York state drunken driving arrest. The picture became an Internet station.

I’m guessing they meant “sensation”, but I’d still like to see the URL…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:43:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:44:10pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mike Lamb  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:45:29pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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Trump clearly did not write that Tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:45:53pm
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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:46:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:49:04pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:49:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:51:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:52:08pm

heh

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:52:14pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

14 days in jail, plus $9500 fine and 200 hours of community service.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:53:43pm
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:54:13pm

re: #180 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“Wage growth hits post-recession high”

Real average hourly earnings unchanged from June 2017 to June 2018

bls.gov

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Jay C  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:54:16pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…

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Fascinating, if (like so much of NY Real Estate dealings) murky story: *maybe* the answer (or a clue) is in the 2004 article linked:

But 112 Central Park South will break from that pattern by being marketed as a co-op, though without some of the restrictions normally associated with co-ops. The choice of the co-op form reflects an unusual landownership aspect of the deal, one that is expected to result in the apartments’ carrying slightly lower prices than comparable residences in the area. A key reason No. 112 will become a co-op is that Anbau rents, not owns, the land beneath the building. Condominiums, unlike co-ops, must own the land under the building. Mr. Glascock said part of the eight-month negotiation to buy the old hotel involved extending the ground lease, held by Alice Kandell and Joan Gordon, to 99 years from 45. But the building, he added, will operate like a condominium; owners will not need board approval to sell or sublet their units.

So the co-op building is still on “leased” ground - perhaps Trump (well, his lawyers, anyway) wrangled some sort of participation deal that’s still in effect after (?)14 years: though $71K annually ($5900/mo) is pretty picayune by NYC standards.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:56:12pm

re: #172 Kragar

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I wonder if he gave good info to Mueller and that is why he got a light sentence. I’m thinking yes, he did.

He really is a key person in that what he did may be somewhat minor in comparison to others but it may be the beginning of the whole Russian collusion issue.

Papadopoulos was the first person to mention the Russians were ready to do some work for the campaign. This was before the meeting in Trump Tower.

It is thought the meeting in Trump Tower wasn’t about what the Russians had on Clinton, but was a meeting to find out what Trump would promise the Russians as payment for their “work” on his campaign.

Then Manafort went and got the Republican platform changed and Flynn was busy working on sanctions being backed off.

He may well be the little tiny pebble holding up a huge rock that when removed causes the big rock to start rolling down the hill crushing everything is sight.

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CongoJack  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:56:29pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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I think Rebecca here has got into Mr. Jones’s stash of the “good stuff.”

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:56:31pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:58:04pm
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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:59:36pm
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2018 • 1:59:41pm

The Atlanta Fed’s Wage Growth Tracker:
frbatlanta.org

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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:01:00pm
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:01:54pm
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:02:37pm

See a trend?

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:03:29pm

They couldn’t project their feelings of inadequacy any more if they tried.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:04:20pm

re: #196 JordanRules

They couldn’t project their feelings of inadequacy any more if they tried.

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OFFS

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:09:12pm

Dayum, for the first time in 7 years, I’m going to miss our county Dem fundraising dinner (in a weak moment, I agreed to do a project that I really don’t want to do, but whatever) and the guest speaker is going to be MICHAEL AVENATTI. I am so pissed at myself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:10:01pm

re: #196 JordanRules

They couldn’t project their feelings of inadequacy any more if they tried.

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Dorothy: Your Majesty, If you were King, you wouldn’t be afraid of anything?
Lion: Not nobody, not nohow!
Tin Man: Not even a rhinocerous?
Lion: Imposserous!
Dorothy: How about a hippopotamus?
Lion: Why, I’d trash him from top to bottomamus!
Dorothy: Supposin’ you met an elephant?
Lion: I’d wrap him up in cellophant!
Scarecrow: What if it were a brontosaurus?
Lion: I’d show him who was King of the Forest!

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:15:10pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

Carlson: NO FAIR! You’re using reason and logic and connecting more than two thoughts together! That’s cheating!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:18:36pm

Though part of me wonders where a Greyhound lover like me will get his fix.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:19:27pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

Rango came from a Florida track, BTW.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:20:28pm

re: #150 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That too, but it wouldn’t have been even close if not for a bias against women in America.

She had two things going against her: Being a woman, and being visible in politics for 30 years. Republicans in Arkansas saw that she was going to be a problem for the party so they formulated a plan all the way back then.

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:21:03pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:22:26pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:23:51pm

re: #203 Belafon

She had two things going against her: Being a woman, and being visible in politics for 30 years. Republicans in Arkansas saw that she was going to be a problem for the party so they formulated a plan all the way back then.

And a third thing - Being Hillary Clinton. I swear, I have never seen so much venom poured on anyone in politics, ever. Closest would be Obama. Even before Bill was elected to his first term in the WH, the entire Right Wing HATED Hillary Clinton. She was painted as a Lady MacBeth figure, working Bill like a puppet - which in retrospect is pretty damn funny since it doesn’t seem like much of anyone can really control him, including him.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:28:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:29:24pm

re: #207 jaunte

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Shit I’d look into disbarring him. I know that’s not the Senate but he doesn’t belong in any courtroom.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:31:52pm

When does Trump blame Bush for Kavanaugh?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:32:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:33:21pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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Or find someone just as odious.

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:33:33pm

This has happened to me too many times.

Do. Not. Touch. Me.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:34:11pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

Or find someone just as odious.

If they find someone just as bad, the whole process begins again, after the midterms.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:34:37pm

re: #213 Belafon

If they find someone just as bad, the whole process begins again, after the midterms.

True true.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:38:06pm

re: #11 ipsos

And since he’s no longer eligible to serve in the office of the Presidency, by rights the current legitimate occupant of the office must be…

(checks notes)

… some guy named Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.

Works for me.

I wish Biden had run for President. I think he would’ve won.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:41:06pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:41:46pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:42:13pm

re: #216 Big Beautiful Door

I wish Biden had run for President. I think he would’ve won.

The debates would have been spectacular. I can just hear Joe saying, “What a load of malarkey!”

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:44:08pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Shit I’d look into disbarring him. I know that’s not the Senate but he doesn’t belong in any courtroom.

They could do something about referring the matter to the House for impeachment, but not sure how far it’d get.

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:45:09pm
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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:45:36pm

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

The debates would have been spectacular. I can just hear Joe saying, “What a load of malarkey!”

I’m not entirely sure Trump would have won the nomination if it was looking early like Clinton wasn’t going to be the Democratic nominee. To a certain extent, Trump is the end result of Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

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Jay C  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:45:41pm

re: #213 Belafon

If they find someone just as bad, the whole process begins again, after the midterms.

And would likely be a shitshow of epic proportions that would make the Kavanaugh nomination seem like a model of Senatorial decorum…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:46:06pm

re: #220 KGxvi

They could do something about referring the matter to the House for impeachment, but not sure how far it’d get.

True. At the very least, make the bastard scared.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:47:05pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

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Though part of me wonders where a Greyhound lover like me will get his fix.

Many breeds which use to be bred for work are raised to be pets now.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:50:53pm

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

Many breeds which use to be bred for work are raised to be pets now.

Almost every breed was originally bred for work of some sort. I think companion breeds are fairly new. Hell, even Yorkies were bred to hunt rats

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:51:03pm

re: #222 KGxvi

I’m not entirely sure Trump would have won the nomination if it was looking early like Clinton wasn’t going to be the Democratic nominee. To a certain extent, Trump is the end result of Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

I think he would’ve because, just look at the field he was running against. He gave the GOP Base the racism it craved pure and uncut, and he also took popular positions to protect Social Security and Medicare against cuts, unlike the rest of them who cater to the GOP donor class instead of GOP voters.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:52:53pm

re: #222 KGxvi

I’m not entirely sure Trump would have won the nomination if it was looking early like Clinton wasn’t going to be the Democratic nominee. To a certain extent, Trump is the end result of Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

I dunno. I still think he wins the nomination. There was no clear “next in line” since Ryan didn’t run.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:53:18pm

re: #222 KGxvi

I’m not entirely sure Trump would have won the nomination if it was looking early like Clinton wasn’t going to be the Democratic nominee. To a certain extent, Trump is the end result of Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

Eeeehhh….. I dunno. I think you’re underestimating just how much the GOP Base have been longing for a totally fucking nuts racist asshole to take over the country and punish everyone who isn’t a straight white Christian man for not being a straight white Christian man.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:53:58pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I still think he wins the nomination. There was no clear “next in line” since Ryan didn’t run.

If Ryan had run, Trump would have pantsed him onstage.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:54:15pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I still think he wins the nomination. There was no clear “next in line” since Ryan didn’t run.

Just look at that field of losers Trump ran against. Empty suits, every one of them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:54:52pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

If Ryan had run, Trump would have pantsed him onstage.

I very much agree. The GOP electorate was eager for a Trump after Mitt got his balls handed to him by Obama. They wanted an unapologetic son of a bitch.

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mmmirele  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:55:45pm

re: #212 JordanRules

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This has happened to me too many times.

Do. Not. Touch. Me.

OMG OMG OMG. This used to happen when I had long hair (just long thick hair) and I dyed it red. The worst was the touching I had to endure when I flew. The TSA agents would be all through my hair and I could not tell them to stop touching me because who wants to end up in secondary screening? I know black women get it a lot more than a Whitey McWhiterson like me and just thinking about it is making my skin crawl.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:58:57pm

I think people are starting to pay attention now. The ones who were kind of sitting back waiting for Mueller to go yay or nay are starting to feel uneasy on the wait for findings when the corruption has been in their face non stop.

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 2:59:28pm

re: #233 mmmirele

It’s so creepy!!
Like I’m a pet.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:00:36pm

re: #222 KGxvi

I’m not entirely sure Trump would have won the nomination if it was looking early like Clinton wasn’t going to be the Democratic nominee. To a certain extent, Trump is the end result of Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

Depends on the alternative. If Biden had it locked up then Kasich might have been a more obvious choice but that’s also probably dependent on a much smaller field overall. Trump benefitted early on from the way the others split the primary vote up amongst themselves. Conversely I think Bernie helped Trump enormously because the news coverage was rapidly and nauseatingly dominated by A Tale of Two Populists.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:01:05pm

My thinking is that all of them, but especially Trump were running against Clinton from the very beginning, and the wingnut media was partying like it was 1999, going batshit crazy with all the Clinton conspiracies. That level of stupid played into Trump’s wheelhouse, compared to the other “serious” candidates.

Imagine Biden (or whomever) winning Iowa and New Hampshire, even a close call in Nevada probably means Clinton is done early.

Without her are their organizing terror, I’m not sure the base gets riled into the frenzy that Trump benefited from. No “but her e-mails” no “Clinton Foundation Uranium One” no rehashing of the hits from the 90s.

It’s entirely possible that he still would have won the nomination, but he’d have been neutered in the general without 30 years of Clinton based conspiracy theories.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:01:08pm

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

Many breeds which use to be bred for work are raised to be pets now.

There ARE AKC Greyhound breeders who don’t breed for racing, they’re just few and far between. For example, there were NO AKC Greyhound breeders at the Golden Gate Kennel Club’s big Cow Palace show this year.

The vast majority of Greyhounds in the US are NGA, the racing breeder association. Take away racing, and will they still breed Greyhounds? Probably only a very few.

I honestly find myself a little ambivalent. No racing, and Rango and Zeena never exist and I never get to know and love them. But no racing, and all the dogs who have been tortured and/or killed wouldn’t have been tortured and/or killed. So, not an unalloyed positive.

(I read something on Greyhound puppies - they do everything all puppies do, but they do it at 30 mph, so when they run into you as all puppies do, it’s a bit more painful)

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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:04:36pm

re: #234 Amory Blaine

I think people are starting to pay attention now. The ones who were kind of sitting back waiting for Mueller to go yay or nay are starting to feel uneasy on the wait for findings when the corruption has been in their face non stop.

Hopefully, people are starting to realize that, while important, Mueller and his investigation alone isn’t going to be a magic bullet to save us from The Trump Horror, but that it’s going to come down to the elections from November on.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:05:23pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I very much agree. The GOP electorate was eager for a Trump after Mitt got his balls handed to him by Obama. They wanted an unapologetic son of a bitch.

Really, they wanted Trump (or someone like him) INSTEAD OF Romney. The first 6 months of the 2012 GOP Primary race was a series of “Not-Romneys”, each taking the lead for a month, until they’d exhausted all the other possibilities and everyone sighed, and said, “FINE! Romney, then.”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:06:47pm

Oh I forgot I did a Costco run and something amazing happened!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:08:10pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Really, they wanted Trump (or someone like him) INSTEAD OF Romney. The first 6 months of the 2012 GOP Primary race was a series of “Not-Romneys”, each taking the lead for a month, until they’d exhausted all the other possibilities and everyone sighed, and said, “FINE! Romney, then.”

Right.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:10:12pm

re: #241 goddamnedfrank

Ha! I like your new Twitter nic!

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:11:33pm

re: #239 TedStriker

Hopefully, people are starting to realize that, while important, Mueller and his investigation alone isn’t going to be a magic bullet to save us from The Trump Horror, but that it’s going to come down to the elections in November.

Just as there was a small, but very real possibility that Trump would win, as he did, there is a small but very real possibility that the GOP retains control of Congress if we don’t get the vote out in November. We know what happens then; Sessions resigns and is replaced by a Trump loyalist who neuters Mueller, Trump pardons whoever he needs to, SCOTUS bars the NY AG from issuing Trump a subpoena, and the Trumpthing is solidly in the driver’s seat for two more years.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:15:05pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We stopped teaching Civics a long time ago. Probably still taught it was Trump was a student but I think he might have missed that class.

Our educational system is now meant to turn out human resources suitable for employment, not human beings suitable for citizenship.

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:18:41pm

re: #138 KingKenrod

Democrats should use the phrase “Trump cult” 100x a day.

today on npr roy blunt called last year’s govt shutdown the Schumer shutdown

as if
that’s how they do it and they are good at the false framing

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:18:58pm

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

Ha! I like your new Twitter nic. Okay

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:20:58pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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hey Tucker, you mean like that guy kavanaugh?

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:21:26pm

re: #49 ericblair

Vote for Zombie Obama. Your afterlife depends on it.

They tried that all ready, sort of.

Zombie Reagan Raised From Grave To Lead GOP

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sagehen  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:22:05pm

re: #226 KGxvi

Almost every breed was originally bred for work of some sort. I think companion breeds are fairly new. Hell, even Yorkies were bred to hunt rats

Poodles used to be hunting dogs. They’re still super-smart and easy to train; it’s only that stupid floofy haircut that makes them ridiculous. (my miniature poodle when I was a kid was clipped evenly all around — looked like a little lamb).

BTW, if you’re ever tempted to give your dog an IQ test… drop a towel over its head and see how long it takes him to figure out how to get rid of it.

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dangerman  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:22:16pm

re: #185 jaunte

“Wage growth hits post-recession high”

Real average hourly earnings unchanged from June 2017 to June 2018

bls.gov

they are trying to change the definition of wages and then not apply it retroactively

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:25:30pm
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Romantic Heretic  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:31:39pm

re: #250 sagehen

BTW, if you’re ever tempted to give your dog an IQ test… drop a towel over its head and see how long it takes him to figure out how to get rid of it.

Makes me think of this web comic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:37:49pm

What in the utter fuck is this supposed to mean:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:39:00pm
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:39:14pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:39:35pm

re: #250 sagehen

Poodles used to be hunting dogs. They’re still super-smart and easy to train; it’s only that stupid floofy haircut that makes them ridiculous. (my miniature poodle when I was a kid was clipped evenly all around — looked like a little lamb).

BTW, if you’re ever tempted to give your dog an IQ test… drop a towel over its head and see how long it takes him to figure out how to get rid of it.

Try that on old-man Trump.

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:40:47pm

re: #257 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Try that on old-man Trump.

He’ll leave the towel on because now his combover is mussed.

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gocart mozart  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:41:11pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:41:42pm

re: #258 wrenchwench

He’ll leave the towel on because now his combover is mussed.

You’re just making excuses because the can’t get the towel off his head.
/

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:41:47pm
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Amory Blaine  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:46:54pm

Here’s an example of a way around the tariffs. Under 24” toolboxes are now subject to tariffs so they strapped on a nightmare (imo) peg setup in the back. Same price as it was before tariffs.

New? Kobalt 41″ Toolboxes With Slide-Out Pegboard

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:48:12pm

re: #261 goddamnedfrank

I’m not sure where anything happening recently is helping. It just is.

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Skip Intro  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:50:55pm

re: #217 Big Beautiful Door

He will also follow Clarence Thomas’ example by not recusing himself from any case he has a personal interest in. And there’s not a god damn thing we can do about it.

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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:51:36pm

re: #262 Amory Blaine

Here’s an example of a way around the tariffs. Under 24” toolboxes are now subject to tariffs so they strapped on a nightmare (imo) peg setup in the back. Same price as it was before tariffs.

New? Kobalt 41″ Toolboxes With Slide-Out Pegboard

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That’s actually kind of ingenious; it beats the tariffs, doesn’t raise the price over the old version, and, for flat stuff like wrenches, it looks very useful.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:53:14pm

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

What in the utter fuck is this supposed to mean:

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The 14 days are obviously a reference to the Papadopoulos sentence — and the 28 million is tied to the cost of the Mueller investigation. Trump is trying to pretend that after Mueller spent 28 million,George got such a minimum penalty — so the whole investigation is a waste of money.

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b.d.(tremendously big & tremendously wet)  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:55:25pm

re: #266 Hecuba’s daughter

The 14 days are obviously a reference to the Papadopoulos sentence — and the 28 million is tied to the cost of the Mueller investigation. Trump is trying to pretend that after Mueller spent 28 million,George got such a minimum penalty — so the whole investigation is a waste of money.

I am now worried about you since you can understand Trump.

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:55:46pm

re: #266 Hecuba’s daughter

The 14 days are obviously a reference to the Papadopoulos sentence — and the 28 million is tied to the cost of the Mueller investigation. Trump is trying to pretend that after Mueller spent 28 million,George got such a minimum penalty — so the whole investigation is a waste of money.

Everything has a price, and nothing has enough value. Welcome to Trump’s world.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:57:25pm

re: #265 TedStriker

Heh, if I rolled that around in my garage everything on the pegs would be laying on the bottom.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:58:22pm

re: #246 dangerman

today on npr roy blunt called last year’s govt shutdown the Schumer shutdown

as if
that’s how they do it and they are good at the false framing

I’d call that lying…but Blind Frog Belly White might chase me down and beat me up!

: )

Time to break out the geetars!

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Amory Blaine  Sep 7, 2018 • 3:59:26pm

It would be kind of cool to have a bank of the peg sliders though. Put it wherever.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:02:36pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:02:36pm

re: #259 gocart mozart

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Ooooo…I had forgotten Huntsman completely.

Very interesting.

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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:02:59pm

re: #271 Amory Blaine

It would be kind of cool to have a bank of the peg sliders though. Put it wherever.

Make a raised box mounted to the wall with a pegboard front, with those peg trays mounted hidden inside the box, for a dual-layer pegboard.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:03:04pm

Trump will burn through every single “loyalist” in his first term.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:05:04pm

I would have to go find the polls, but this (DK link), from Richard Ojeda, who’s running for the office, is nuts if true:

This time last year, an R + 23 district that voted for Donald Trump overwhelmingly by 50 points would have never been seen as a chance to flip the House. After a year of fighting, talking with voters, putting boots on the ground and never giving up, the polls are in and we ARE winning in West Virginia.

Our race has been moved to a Toss-Up and will be one of the biggest upsets and shockers of the 2018 midterm election.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:05:23pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

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Did they repeal it at 4am?

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fern01  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:07:43pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Pres. Trump says he watched former Pres. Obama’s speech this afternoon “but I fell asleep. I’ve found he’s very good, very good for sleeping.

And the media have NEVER asked President Obama as to the effect of listening to a trump speech. The media still carry water for the GOP - send their scribes along to rallies, report on every stupid comment he makes.

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Skip Intro  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:09:41pm

re: #275 jaunte

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Trump will burn through every single “loyalist” in his first term.

“Please don’t go. I’ll make you my queen.”

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:09:43pm

re: #278 fern01

And the media have NEVER asked President Obama as to the effect of listening to a trump speech. The media still carry water for the GOP - send their scribes along to rallies, report on every stupid comment he makes.

I prefer that they send someone to report on the Nazi rallies, we need to have an idea of his mental state (plus, catching them switching out non-clappers for an aide is pretty funny). At least MSNBC has stopped carrying them live.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:10:41pm

No, we’re not a family blog. :)

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:13:01pm
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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:14:36pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

Trump is getting a bit Queeg-ish, isn’t he?

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:15:07pm

re: #281 Belafon

[WTF I’ve had periods longer than that.]

No, we’re not a family blog. :)

Every family has periods. Almost.

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:16:04pm

re: #275 jaunte

Anything that raises Trump’s blood pressure is good news for the nation. I sincerely hope he works himself up into a heart attack or a stroke because of the NYT op-ed.

Failing that, I take comfort in thinking of the innumerable ways stress can kill or cripple people, with specific reference to Trump’s ongoing PR disasters and how much this petty, petty, man cares about his image.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:24:28pm

re: #276 Belafon

I would have to go find the polls, but this (DK link), from Richard Ojeda, who’s running for the office, is nuts if true:

If Democrats turn out to vote in November, we could see a stunning turn around in Congress and statehouses across the nation.

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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:27:46pm

re: #285 EPR-radar

Anything that raises Trump’s blood pressure is good news for the nation. I sincerely hope he works himself up into a heart attack or a stroke because of the NYT op-ed.

Failing that, I take comfort in thinking of the innumerable ways stress can kill or cripple people, with specific reference to Trump’s ongoing PR disasters and how much this petty, petty, man cares about his image.

I’m not going to wish for ill to fall on anyone, not even Trump.

That’s not to say that I would not take great satisfaction in reading about it happening to him, though.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:34:20pm

re: #287 TedStriker

DANCE PARTY!!!!!!

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:35:57pm

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:37:56pm

The RudePundit has an entertaining send-up of the NYT op-ed posted. rudepundit.blogspot.com

A sample

I can remember the moment clearly: the young daughter of one of President Donald Trump’s top aides brought a puppy to the office. Her father had asked Chief of Staff John Kelly if it was okay. Kelly, in that irascible way of his, said, “Who gives a fuck?” before he went back to prying the nuclear football out of the screaming president’s hands.

Everyone of us in the West Wing knows that President Trump is afraid of dogs. “Dingoes are dogs,” I once heard him say. “They eat babies. They eat souls.” And then he leaned back in his chair and softly wept as he stared out at nothing, whispering, “So many babies. So many souls.”

The president was wandering around the halls, having gotten loose from the Oval Office, when he saw the puppy. It was a pug, so it was truly adorable. He gestured at the girl, who smiled angelically at the man her father had told her deserves everyone’s respect and loyalty. “I want to fuck it,” he said. The Secret Service agents looked at each other and then went for the aide’s daughter. “No, not the girl,” he scoffed. “The dog.”

Later, the aide told me, “I’m glad it was the dog. It would have been hard to let him take my daughter, but I would have because of the Supreme Court.” I nodded. We all nodded because we all would have done the same.

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sagehen  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:39:45pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

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I thought the 60-day window was for if the subject/target of the investigation was an actual candidate on the ballot.

(like, I dunno, HRC?)

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Jay C  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:54:22pm

BTW: I read online that the Dallas PD has not only suspended the officer who shot the guy in his own apartment “by mistake”, but seems to be pursuing manslaughter charges against her as well.
No real explanation or detailed story coming out, but for once, no hiding behind the Blue Wall…

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b_sharp  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:59:33pm

re: #289 wrenchwench

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 4:59:46pm

inside the WH tonight:

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A Cranky One  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:00:01pm

re: #278 fern01

And the media have NEVER asked President Obama as to the effect of listening to a trump speech. The media still carry water for the GOP - send their scribes along to rallies, report on every stupid comment he makes.

Trump speeches are excellent for inducing vomiting.

But I’m sure Obama would find a more polite or subtle way to phrase that.

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fern01  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:01:31pm

re: #275 jaunte

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Trump will burn through every single “loyalist” in his first term.

How do we know “Kelly has advised him to let it pass”. There is the Kelly trump knows and the Kelly who tries to push the view he is above the behavior of trump. Probably a third one who penned the op ed.

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Jay C  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:01:43pm

re: #295 A Cranky One

Trump speeches are excellent for inducing vomiting.

But I’m sure Obama would find a more polite or subtle way to phrase that.

I’m guessing Barack Obama, at least, knows what “emetic” means.

But of course, that would be “lecturing” us…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:04:25pm

Lindsey is so full of shit

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:04:58pm

re: #293 b_sharp

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:05:24pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is so full of shit

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Just like every other Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:06:05pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is so full of shit

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You didn’t even endorse Trump you feckless wanker.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:07:29pm

Graham really thinks this kissing Trump’s ass is going to get him to somehow out of being primaried in 2020. Sad.

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fern01  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:08:35pm

re: #276 Belafon

voteojeda.com

A new Monmouth University poll of West Virginia’s 3rd District found Democrat Richard Ojeda with the advantage in the race to replace Republican Rep.Evan Jenkins, who lost a Senate primary.

Ojeda, a state senator and veteran, has 43 percent support to Republican Carol Miller’s 41 percent among “all potential voters” (voters who have participated in an election since 2010 or are newly registered). The Democrat has a wider lead in two likely voter models. Ojeda leads Miller, the state House majority whip, 47 percent to 41 percent using a “historical midterm turnout” model and 48 percent to 39 percent in a “Democratic surge” model.

And then the next paragraph!
Ojeda, who has said he voted for Trump in 2016, has a slight lead in favorability with a third of voters viewing him positively, while 27 percent view Miller favorably. But neither candidate is known to about half the electorate.

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Broad With Sass  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:11:50pm

Plaid Shirt Guy from Billings

I hadn’t even noticed he was wearing a DSA rose on his shirt

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:13:05pm

re: #303 fern01

voteojeda.com

A new Monmouth University poll of West Virginia’s 3rd District found Democrat Richard Ojeda with the advantage in the race to replace Republican Rep.Evan Jenkins, who lost a Senate primary.

Ojeda, a state senator and veteran, has 43 percent support to Republican Carol Miller’s 41 percent among “all potential voters” (voters who have participated in an election since 2010 or are newly registered). The Democrat has a wider lead in two likely voter models. Ojeda leads Miller, the state House majority whip, 47 percent to 41 percent using a “historical midterm turnout” model and 48 percent to 39 percent in a “Democratic surge” model.

And then the next paragraph!
Ojeda, who has said he voted for Trump in 2016, has a slight lead in favorability with a third of voters viewing him positively, while 27 percent view Miller favorably. But neither candidate is known to about half the electorate.

That’s encouraging. Sucks Ojeda voted for Trump but from what I understand, he’s been vocal that he regrets it. And he wouldn’t be a rubber stamp like Miller would certailny be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:15:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:16:42pm

Kid’s got guts. Good for him.

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fern01  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:20:11pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is so full of shit

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trump has something on him - he went from McCain’s BFF to a trump toady.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:20:22pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kid’s gonna get death threats.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:20:58pm

re: #309 GlutenFreeJesus

Kid’s gonna get death threats.

Yeah I hope he prepared for that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:21:22pm

re: #308 fern01

trump has something on him - he went from McCain’s BFF to a trump toady.

I really think so too. I know a lot think it’s just him looking out for his survival but it happened so damn quickly.

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:22:56pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

I really think so too. I know a lot think it’s just him looking out for his survival but it happened so damn quickly.

Knowing the ways Republicans operate, I’m virtually certain that Trump can prove that Graham is gay, and is using that to blackmail Graham into servitude.

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fern01  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:23:22pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Graham really thinks this kissing Trump’s ass is going to get him to somehow out of being primaried in 2020. Sad.

I don’t think that’s the only reason for his trump love.

Why they think leaving the Senate is the end of the world. President Obama, apart from everything else he does, is showing the world that life after politics is good. Rather reminds me of becoming a grandmother - the life of a parent has a wonderful reward - never understood until it happens.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:23:57pm

re: #312 EPR-radar

Knowing the ways Republicans operate, I’m virtually certain that Trump can prove that Graham is gay, and is using that to blackmail Graham into servitude.

I dunno. If that were the case, I think Graham would have immediately started being a Trump water carrier. I think it’s something more damning but who knows.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:25:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:25:56pm

re: #315 Charles Johnson

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Ha, we could have used Luther today for Obama’s speech.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:29:22pm

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:30:57pm

re: #317 Eclectic Cyborg

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One causes conservatives to freak out, burn shit, and get angry. The other is mass shootings.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:31:08pm
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:31:35pm
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fern01  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:31:36pm

re: #312 EPR-radar

Knowing the ways Republicans operate, I’m virtually certain that Trump can prove that Graham is gay, and is using that to blackmail Graham into servitude.

And if that’s the reason - then Graham is even more ridiculous - he has much to thank President Obama for & should be seriously happy that much of the world is accepting of all forms of adult sexuality.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:31:51pm

Charles I just gave you $60 for another year of ad free access. Thank you for providing a wonderful place where we can share our views, food, lives and many other things. :)

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:31:54pm
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Danack  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:33:02pm

re: #292 Jay C

No real explanation or detailed story coming out, but for once, no hiding behind the Blue Wall…

Allegedly the officer was on the wrong floor, and so failed to open the apartment door with their key.

The shooting happening after the homeowner opened the door - presumably to see what the scratching noise was.

That….would be a hard one to defend.

(hearsay from twitter without actual source, so maybe take with pinch of salt)

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austin_blue  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:33:31pm

re: #257 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Try that on old-man Trump.

My God! I’ve gone blind!

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:35:25pm

re: #321 fern01

And if that’s the reason - then Graham is even more ridiculous - he has much to thank President Obama for & should be seriously happy that much of the world is accepting of all forms of adult sexuality.

100% agreed. Graham wouldn’t be a target of this kind of blackmail (if this is what’s happening) if he had a spine.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:41:01pm

re: #322 PhillyPretzel

Thank you very much! I’m setting up the subscription now. Make a note of the date because it doesn’t automatically renew with GoFundMe.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:41:39pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

I will try to remember that.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:44:02pm

LOL, fucking feds.

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gwangung  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:44:42pm

re: #329 Single-handed sailor

LOL, fucking feds.

Um, wot? Is Elon on active duty with them?

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:45:06pm

re: #325 austin_blue

My God! I’ve gone blind!

The other possibility is that dropping a towel on Trump’s head so that he can’t see would make him think that nobody else can see him. Like the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:45:31pm

re: #312 EPR-radar

Knowing the ways Republicans operate, I’m virtually certain that Trump can prove that Graham is gay, and is using that to blackmail Graham into servitude.

As if there is anyone left who does not already know/suspect that he is gay and nobody really cares.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:45:50pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is so full of shit

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Ah yes, and remember the Lindsey of 2016—the man is so full of shit, his teeth are brown:

He has called Trump a “jackass” and a “race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot,” and he has suggested that Republicans should kick him out of the party…As the GOP primary field narrowed, Graham famously characterized the choice between Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.) and Trump as a choice “between being shot or poisoned”

“I…cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief,”

“I think he’s a kook,” he said in February 2016. “I think he’s crazy. I think he’s unfit for office.”

“You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell.”

“This is the most un-American thing from a politician since Joe McCarthy,” he said.”If anybody was looking for an off-ramp, this is probably it. There’ll come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary.” (After assholes comments about Judge Curiel)

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:46:38pm

re: #330 gwangung

Um, wot? Is Elon on active duty with them?

He’s a defense contractor via SpaceX.

Edited to add: This is likely to be a real problem. Because of the stupid war on drugs, the Federal government has all kinds of tightass laws in place for drug-free workplaces for contractors.

Having the CEO of a major contractor toking it up on air is a major contradiction to all of that.

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:47:53pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

As if there is anyone left who does not already know/suspect that he is gay and nobody really cares.

Unfortunately for Graham, a decisive fraction of GOP primary voters in South Carolina are likely to be backward enough to care about this.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:49:05pm

re: #334 EPR-radar

He’s a defense contractor via SpaceX.

Elon needs an alien invasion to focus his mind.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:49:19pm
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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:49:27pm

re: #335 EPR-radar

Unfortunately for Graham, a decisive fraction of GOP primary voters in South Carolina are likely to be backward enough to care about this.

They’ve probably known longer than we have.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:49:43pm
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wheat-dogg  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:49:47pm

re: #325 austin_blue

My God! I’ve gone blind!

Hope! Hope! Help me! Someone get Hope on the speakerphone!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:50:21pm

re: #333 BeachDem

What do you think BD? Do you think there’s dirt or is this a desperate act knowing he certain will be primaried again?

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:51:57pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Graham really thinks this kissing Trump’s ass is going to get him to somehow out of being primaried in 2020. Sad.

He got primaried from the right in 2014, during the height of teabagger madness. He cruised to the nomination with more than 50% of the vote and didn’t even have to face a runoff. I know things have gone south since then, but I just don’t think that explains his total turnaround.

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Jay C  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:53:06pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

Thank you very much! I’m setting up the subscription now. Make a note of the date because it doesn’t automatically renew with GoFundMe.

OK: I guess belated thanks are in order from me, too - my subscription apparently renewed automatically last 8/20: without my realizing it (til I saw the charge). No matter: LGF is well worth it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:53:09pm

re: #342 BeachDem

He got primaried from the right in 2014, during the height of teabagger madness. He cruised to the nomination with more than 50% of the vote and didn’t even have to face a runoff. I know things have gone south since then, but I just don’t think that explains his total turnaround.

Right. That’s why I think there may be some blackmail here.

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:53:19pm

re: #338 JordanRules

They’ve probably known longer than we have.

Suspected/known by voters is very different than having the entire GOP machine go all in on the smear campaign.

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b_sharp  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:58:03pm

re: #299 wrenchwench

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:58:22pm

re: #342 BeachDem

He got primaried from the right in 2014, during the height of teabagger madness. He cruised to the nomination with more than 50% of the vote and didn’t even have to face a runoff. I know things have gone south since then, but I just don’t think that explains his total turnaround.

I think he really wants to be Attorney General.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2018 • 5:58:31pm

re: #338 JordanRules

They’ve probably known longer than we have.

It’s kind of like to them, he’s OUR gay, so it’s okay. I truly don’t think it’s much of a secret here is SC—there are even many rumors about Tim Scott, but the goopers will keep electing them both.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2018 • 6:01:35pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

What do you think BD? Do you think there’s dirt or is this a desperate act knowing he certain will be primaried again?

I think he wants to be Attorney General. Or maybe the next supreme.

Whatever they have on him, I think it’s gotta be more than being gay or not being right wing enough. It’s either something truly horrible or, in typical Lindsey fashion, he’s looking out for his own legacy, and now that his amigo is gone, there’s nothing and nobody to tone him down.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2018 • 6:03:02pm

re: #349 BeachDem

I think he wants to be Attorney General. Or maybe the next supreme.

Whatever they have on him, I think it’s gotta be more than being gay or not being right wing enough. It’s either something truly horrible or, in typical Lindsey fashion, he’s looking out for his own legacy, and now that his amigo is gone, there’s nothing and nobody to tone him down.

Sounds right to me. In any case even though I’ve never been a fan, it’s pathetic to watch.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2018 • 6:12:11pm

re: #343 Jay C

OK: I guess belated thanks are in order from me, too - my subscription apparently renewed automatically last 8/20: without my realizing it (til I saw the charge). No matter: LGF is well worth it.

Thanks go to you as well - and to everyone with a subscription!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 7, 2018 • 6:21:03pm

re: #329 Single-handed sailor

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LOL, fucking feds.

SPACE-ace-ace-ace-ace-ace…….

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Interesting Times  Sep 7, 2018 • 6:23:23pm

re: #349 BeachDem

I think he wants to be Attorney General. Or maybe the next supreme.

Whatever they have on him, I think it’s gotta be more than being gay or not being right wing enough.

Remember the classic “caught with a dead girl or live boy”? Gay is one thing, following the other Hastert rule, quite another…

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austin_blue  Sep 7, 2018 • 7:53:53pm

re: #331 EPR-radar

The other possibility is that dropping a towel on Trump’s head so that he can’t see would make him think that nobody else can see him. Like the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.

Well, that takes me back. Wasn’t there a Triple Breasted Whore of (argle bargle) in there someplace?


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