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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 9, 2018 • 7:54:58pm

More of Dory and Rango playing….

Come at me, Bro!
What a big NOSE you have!
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 9, 2018 • 7:55:40pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 7:59:05pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 9, 2018 • 7:59:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:04:22pm

re: #2 Patricia Kayden

And since he owns all the courses, that’s money straight to his own pocket.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:05:36pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

The really stupid thing here is that Lie Detectors can be beaten. That’s why they aren’t admissible in court.

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KGxvi  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:07:12pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

The really stupid thing here is that Lie Detectors can be beaten. That’s why they aren’t admissible in court.

Given that the sociopathy in the White House is apparently airborne, I’m guessing there’s not an asshole in the building that wouldn’t pass one anyway

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:08:47pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

There is a reason they’re called polygraph tests instead of lie detectors. The examiner has to establish a baseline by asking questions the testee doesn’t want to answer to see what happens when he/she is nervous. Then they get to the nitty gritty of did you do it

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:10:47pm

Pence is just working his and Trump’s marks. That’s all they do.

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KGxvi  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:11:14pm

Dallas cop arrested. Out on $300k bond, per cnn

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:16:57pm

Glad I set the alarm on my phone to remind me

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dangerman  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:19:37pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

The really stupid thing here is that Lie Detectors can be beaten. That’s why they aren’t admissible in court.

The really really stupid thing is they don’t detect lies.
At best they may indicate nervousness

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:30:10pm

The slow ticking of time bombs set off by Brexit:

Why a united Ireland post Brexit is a real possibility

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:32:50pm

Arctic sea ice about to hit its minimum for the year, and most of what is left is slush:

Image: arcticictn_nowcast_anim30d.gif

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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:33:02pm
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:33:32pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:35:58pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

It’s looking like all that area at the end of the ‘cone of uncertainty’ are going to get a lot of rain later this week. A foot or more in a lot of places, three feet maybe in others. Not good. If you’re in the area definitely prepare for a long term electricity outage.

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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:39:08pm

A Category 4 storm has maximum sustained winds near its eye at between 130-156 m.p.h.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:40:29pm

MsRedSpot is going to North Carolina - on Thursday. :(

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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:42:00pm

re: #19 BlueSpotinAL

She should seriously maybe cancel. I have this sinking feeling Florence is gonna be fucked up.

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:43:42pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Various models have been giving different projections, though most are centered on the Carolinas.

Most of the models indicate a slowing once hitting land, and various looping scenarios come up.

All this leads to a major precipitation event.

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:45:27pm

Meanwhile, over in the another part of the world, the central Pacific spit out a particularly large storm, now entering the western Pacific, that is expected to become a monster of a super-typhoon:

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:48:20pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

It is a possibility. Maybe Pat Robertson can pray this one away like he did with Hurricane Gloria. Which hit Mid-Atlantic and New England.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:50:13pm

re: #23 BlueSpotinAL

It is a possibility. Maybe Pat Robertson can pray this one away like he did with Hurricane Gloria. Which hit Mid-Atlantic and New England.

When I was in Virginia Beach, he did that with Hugo. South Carolina was very happy for his prayers.

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:52:16pm

From the water vapor imagery you can easily see all the northern hemisphere tropical cyclones:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:52:52pm

Damn
and this T-0 can continue creeping this morning. The 4 hr launch window started at around 11:28 PM EDT

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:54:33pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Damn
and this T-0 can continue creeping this morning. The 4 hr launch window started at around 11:28 PM EDT

New T-0 of 12:30 a.m. EDT, 4:30 UTC for weather. Vehicle and payload still look good for launch.

LOL

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:55:26pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:57:38pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 8:59:41pm

re: #22 freetoken

The Pacific cyclone season has been absolutely gonzo this year.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:01:56pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:05:44pm

re: #31 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The President of the United States was Barack Obama the last time the Browns won a game.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:06:39pm
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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:07:54pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

Whatever does Collins get for all these deals she makes with the GOP “leadership”???

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:09:02pm

re: #34 freetoken

Whatever does Collins get for all these deals she makes with the GOP “leadership”???

Knowing the GOP these days they probably promised that nothing would happen to her family.

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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:13:04pm

re: #34 freetoken

Whatever does Collins get for all these deals she makes with the GOP “leadership”???

Probably fat sacks of cash.

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sagehen  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:26:58pm

Days like today, I think maybe it would be a good thing if Olivia Pope’s father were a real person.

I did love that show, but… every single main character (including all the presidential candidates and their running mates and campaign managers and senior aides and most of the cabinet) were murderers. And not in some abstract, bad-policy way. Not in a “gave an order or hired it out” way. They were all murderers in a “with their own two hands in person” kind of way.

Also, the people who went to prison — none of them did what they were convicted of. All of them were grotesquely criminal and deserved locked up, but they all got away with with the actual crimes they committed, then were framed for things that others of them had done.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:31:48pm

SpaceX going live.

Telstar 18v Mission

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:37:32pm

re: #34 freetoken

Whatever does Collins get for all these deals she makes with the GOP “leadership”???

She doesn’t care. This is a clear signal that she will not run for re-election and she will clear the field for LePage to replace her.

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:40:05pm

re: #39 Joe Bacon 🌹

Instead of “What’s wrong with Kansas?”, I think we need to start a “What’s wrong with Maine?” meme.

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:44:01pm

re: #38 Single-handed sailor

56 years later, still applies:

The Tornados - Telstar (HQ)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:46:32pm

Max Q
Vroom, no boom

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Belafon  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:46:49pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

Maybe the deal was to get some of that sweet Russian interference.

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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:49:10pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:54:39pm

Stage 1 on the boat, maybe

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freetoken  Sep 9, 2018 • 9:55:54pm

My life encompasses all the Telstars.

I feel old.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:03:55pm

re: #34 freetoken

Whatever does Collins get for all these deals she makes with the GOP “leadership”???

I have no freakin’ idea.

Someone over at Wonkette from a different state than Maine said they called her office. When the staffer asked which state, he then said they don’t take opinions from out-of-state. The caller said “why not? Does she take money from out-of-state?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:07:53pm

re: #39 Joe Bacon 🌹

She doesn’t care. This is a clear signal that she will not run for re-election and she will clear the field for LePage to replace her.

Not sure how that would work out. LePage won both times with a minority of the vote, with independents running to split the Democratic votes. An independent running for Senate would be a lot tougher.

Democrats need to learn strategic voting.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:09:00pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

I have no freakin’ idea.

Someone over at Wonkette from a different state than Maine said they called her office. When the staffer asked which state, he then said they don’t take opinions from out-of-state. The caller said “why not? Does she take money from out-of-state?”

Yes and I see postings on Facebook that her staff isn’t counting anti-Kavanaugh calls. I’m not surprised since she has been totally corrupt ever since she set foot in the Senate. She won’t even go to the bathroom without Mitch’s permission.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:10:37pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

Not sure how that would work out. LePage won both times with a minority of the vote, with independents running to split the Democratic votes. An independent running for Senate would be a lot tougher.

Democrats need to learn strategic voting.

Thanks to Eliot Cutler, LePage got into the Governor’s chair. I fully expect Cutler to do the same thing when LePage runs to replace Collins.

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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:23:51pm

For the NFL fans:

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:28:20pm

The US is becoming a rogue nation. It may be time for the world to consider a blockade of the US.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:30:48pm

Ben Garrison, clueless… .

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:32:15pm

re: #52 Single-handed sailor

The US is becoming a rogue nation. It may be time for the world to consider a blockade of the US.

I’ll wait to see it from a real outlet, not Russian propaganda.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:34:22pm

What makes Russia propaganda so insidious is sometimes it’s true.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:41:43pm

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

Ben Garrison, clueless… .

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Ben Garrison turned off his TV…and then he went on his computer to view the newest videos on Pornhub.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:43:10pm

re: #52 Single-handed sailor

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The US is becoming a rogue nation. It may be time for the world to consider a blockade of the US.

They’ve already started dumping Treasury securities. I’ve been predicting that along with the rest of the world dumping the dollar as the reserve currency.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 9, 2018 • 10:54:11pm

re: #57 Joe Bacon 🌹

They’ve already started dumping Treasury securities. I’ve been predicting that along with the rest of the world dumping the dollar as the reserve currency.

But what then are they going to use as reserve currency? With the uncertainty due to the rise of fascist parties in Europe and Brexit, will they switch to the Euro? Someone here may have talked about a basket of currencies, but is that really feasible?

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:08:58pm

Greatest negotiator.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:10:28pm

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

But what then are they going to use as reserve currency? With the uncertainty due to the rise of fascist parties in Europe and Brexit, will they switch to the Euro? Someone here may have talked about a basket of currencies, but is that really feasible?

Yes because the rest of the world wants to smack Trump down and then kick him in the ass a couple more times!

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:15:14pm

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

But what then are they going to use as reserve currency? With the uncertainty due to the rise of fascist parties in Europe and Brexit, will they switch to the Euro? Someone here may have talked about a basket of currencies, but is that really feasible?

Bitcoin.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:18:10pm

re: #10 KGxvi

Dallas cop arrested. Out on $300k bond, per cnn

How the fuck wasn’t she arrested at the scene? I’m pretty sure if anybody other than a cop just kills someone for opening their own door they’d be thrown in jail immediately.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:20:53pm

Ten tweets. I can see Mr. Wright expanding this into a post at Stonekettle Station:

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austin_blue  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:21:43pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

How the fuck wasn’t she arrested at the scene? I’m pretty sure if anybody other than a cop just kills someone for opening their own door they’d be thrown in jail immediately.

I think you have answered your own question, yes?

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:32:57pm
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:35:56pm
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austin_blue  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:43:07pm

One dark thirty. Night all.

Tomorrow is indictment Monday!

Well, we can hope. The Fredo’s have to be high on the list.

Maybe Miss Silicon(e) and her husband, Mr. We’re Off The Grid For The Next Two Days Because We Really Really Really Are Orthodox, should also be worried.

Let’s see how strong their faith is if it goes pear shaped.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 9, 2018 • 11:54:39pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:02:30am
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Cheechako  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:03:25am

re: #2 Patricia Kayden

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Why the hell hasn’t the Secret Service bought their own golf carts. Rent a couple of nearby storage units to keep them in and for charging the batteries.

To answer my own question, it makes too much sense.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:20:19am

I’ve always been on the hardware side but I’m pretty sure that’s not how software works.

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:20:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:57:29am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

The really stupid thing here is that Lie Detectors can be beaten. That’s why they aren’t admissible in court.

They know that, it is all about publicity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:03:08am

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

But what then are they going to use as reserve currency? With the uncertainty due to the rise of fascist parties in Europe and Brexit, will they switch to the Euro? Someone here may have talked about a basket of currencies, but is that really feasible?

That is the main issue standing in the way; with instability in Greece and Italy, the Euro is not a viable option, and no other currency is large or strong enough to replace the US Dollar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:03:57am

re: #59 Single-handed sailor

China’s trade surplus with US hits record $31 billion

This is going to offered up as a reason to raise tariffs even more. Because deficits are bad if they are with other countries.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:06:09am

re: #59 Single-handed sailor

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Greatest negotiator.

I though Trump’s tariffs were supposed to fix that. Oh well.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:14:28am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:27:07am

re: #55 Single-handed sailor

Bolton and other Republicans are afraid that they could end up in the docket at the ICC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:28:54am

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Bolton and other Republicans are afraid that they could end up in the docket at the ICC.

They would be unable to travel outside the country.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:59:47am
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2018 • 2:39:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 2:43:21am

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

Weird, the White House is willing to declassify explosive national security documents but is still keeping much of Brett Kavanaugh’s record a secret.

Something … doesn’t compute.

nothing like selective declassification

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 10, 2018 • 2:50:56am

From an online dating site:

I think we have found Patient Zero of the incel epidemic.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 10, 2018 • 2:53:19am

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

From an online dating site:

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I think we have found Patient Zero of the incel epidemic.

Otoh, Andrew may be hoping that this Trumpet sees his ad:

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:20:12am

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Might as well tell women he’ll club them over the head and carry them back to his cave.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:25:16am

Regarding the OP, The Lemon Twigs attended Hicksville High School, a couple of townships over from where I grew up.

Yes, there really is a Hicksville. It was founded by the son-in-law of Elias Hicks, the Quaker preacher.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:26:33am

Florence finally again presenting a well defined eye on IR:

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:29:34am

re: #87 freetoken

I am afraid to contemplate their explanation, but I wonder if the Flat Erfers can explain cyclonic motion? It results from both convection currents and the Coriolis effect on a round Earth.

Just a random thought.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:37:27am

Here’s a timeline about the steps leading to desegregation of the US military in the years before Truman’s 1948 EO.

thegrio.com

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:38:01am

Several models show Florence hitting North Carolina on Friday morning, perhaps as the strongest hurricane to hit the US north of South Carolina.

If that isn’t bad enough, several of the models show Florence stops on the coast or just inland and hang out for a couple of days.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:41:23am

By Friday the news cycle will be completely dominated by Florence.

I expect the Administration and the GOP Congress to try and sneak various nefarious things in under the radar.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:51:12am

re: #91 freetoken

By Friday the news cycle will be completely dominated by Florence.

I expect the Administration and the GOP Congress to try and sneak various nefarious things in under the radar.

Like defunding NOAA. Good stuff like that.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:54:41am
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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 10, 2018 • 3:55:34am

I really don’t want a visit from Aunt Flo.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:02:17am

The three moles at Trump’s Montana rally.

They were all approached by staffers and asked to leave, because they managed to snag key seats right behind the Fearless Leader and proceeded to be less than worshipful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:06:04am

re: #93 freetoken

The fact that some religious groups are critical of ⁦the recommendation to study atheism, secularism, and humanism alongside major religions demonstrates it’s the right recommendation for secondary education

…because it recognizes that the role of religion in society has changed over the past centuries.

Just one key example: There was a time when the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and the legal status of marriage were identical. Now we have come to see them as separate issues.

I think that the United States, by recognizing the separation of Church and State, did a lot to advance this worldview.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:18:43am

It’s awake and having trouble with math.

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:29:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:31:52am

re: #98 Teukka

Breaking: Mi6 flipped an Fsb spy embedded in the Ru embassy in Rome, his real task was to harvest classified intel about Nato from former DM Pinotti’s staff,he expressed a desire to desert cause Putin is “determined to march towards conflict with the West”

All through the 90’s, Russia was in such a state of social, political and economic chaos that it was not in a position to take up any conflict with the West over divergent interests.

Now Putin is flipping that situation and doing a successful job of it.

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:33:31am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All through the 90’s, Russia was in such a state of social, political and economic chaos that it was not in a position to take up any conflict with the West over divergent interests.

Now Putin is flipping that situation and doing a successful job of it.

“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”
— Admiral Josh Painter in “The Hunt for Red October”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:37:22am

re: #100 Teukka

“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”
— Admiral Josh Painter in “The Hunt for Red October”

I think we can be grateful that by the time the USSR fell apart that its military was also in a shambolic state or we could have seen a desperate military coup that might have taken us to the brink of WW3 and beyond.

We cannot compare the current situation with the Cold War, Russia is no longer exporting a world ideology and its ambitions are local and territorial, but those ambitions include bringing the rest of the former Soviet republics back under its sphere of control.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:40:41am

More economics math fail

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:45:07am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think we can be grateful that by the time the USSR fell apart that its military was also in a shambolic state or we could have seen a desperate military coup that might have taken us to the brink of WW3 and beyond.

We cannot compare the current situation with the Cold War, Russia is no longer exporting a world ideology and its ambitions are local and territorial, but those ambitions include bringing the rest of the former Soviet republics back under its sphere of control.

Yep, expanding it’s territory, such as the former Soviet republics and other areas formerly under Russian control, such as Finland and Alaska. While the threat of a full global thermonuclear exchange isn’t as high as during the Cold War, there’s a non-negligible risk of a small to medium exchange which will have bad consequences, and the prospect of a plain vanilla war is not that pleasant either…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 4:50:18am

re: #103 Teukka

Yep, expanding it’s territory, such as the former Soviet republics and other areas formerly under Russian control, such as Finland and Alaska. While the threat of a full global thermonuclear exchange isn’t as high as during the Cold War, there’s a non-negligible risk of a small to medium exchange which will have bad consequences, and the prospect of a plain vanilla war is not that pleasant either…

I think that Finland and Alaska are safe for the foreseeable future, but Putin sees any region with a sizable Russian ethnic diaspora as fair game for “reintegration”. And there are an estimated 20-30 millions Russian stranded outside the Russian Federation, acting as Putin’s Sudetendeutsche.

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steve_davis  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:11:10am

re: #29 Dave In Austin

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just reading his interview with Time. The guy actually is a lot more together than I would have thought.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:18:22am

Darwin award contender

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steve_davis  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:22:19am

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

From an online dating site:

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I think we have found Patient Zero of the incel epidemic.

14 miles away….well, hell, I live in South Carolina, so he’s probably the guy down the walkway.

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Bass Reeves  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:23:32am

G’morning people.

I was scrolling through the threads yesterday and saw a comment that made me go back a couple of threads and scroll through more comments. Just thought I’d share.

White. People. Don’t. Get. To. Use. Nigger.

White people also don’t get to tell other people not to worry about a white person’s use of the word nigger.

The fact that *this* community needs to be reminded of that in 2018 is quite literally appalling. There are 3 black people who comment regularly on this site, and I haven’t seen one of them in a couple of months. That bullshit where someone uses it, and everyone ignores, cosigns, or downplays the concerns of the *one person* who had the courage to stick her neck out to mention it…made this a much less safe place for us. The joking around afterward where someone said ‘they rarely use it’, and that seemed to be fine, is actually the point where I stop paying to be here.

This is why we don’t trust you.

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steve_davis  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:23:41am

re: #88 wheat-dogg

I am afraid to contemplate their explanation, but I wonder if the Flat Erfers can explain cyclonic motion? It results from both convection currents and the Coriolis effect on a round Earth.

Just a random thought.

it’s no use, young man. it’s turtles all the way down.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:25:21am

re: #108 Bass Reeves

G’morning people.

I was scrolling through the threads yesterday and saw a comment that made me go back a couple of threads and scroll through more comments. Just thought I’d share.

White. People. Don’t. Get. To. Use. Nigger.

It is not the word, it’s the context, but there is very little in the way of context where it is not offensive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:27:24am

re: #109 steve_davis

it’s no use, young man. it’s turtles all the way down.

I really think that a good share of the Flat Earth Movement consists of trolls and/or performance artists seeking attention and/or having fun by cajoling the gullible while confounding and and provoking outrage among people too literal to see through what they are doing.

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:27:35am

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

Not sure how that would work out. LePage won both times with a minority of the vote, with independents running to split the Democratic votes. An independent running for Senate would be a lot tougher.

Democrats need to learn strategic voting.

Maine’s other senator, Angus King, is an independent. Previously, he was governor of Maine for 8 years, also as an independent.

He caucuses with the Dems, he’s more pragmatic than ideological (mildly liberal), does his homework and makes actual sense when doing media appearances.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:28:49am

Thread if you want to see photos of Ivanka pre- and post-cosmetic surgery. She used to look like a female version of Eric and Don Jr., bless her heart.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:30:42am

re: #113 wheat-dogg

amazon.com

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Scout  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:36:29am

re: #108 Bass Reeves

For what it’s worth, I agree.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:39:34am

re: #108 Bass Reeves

Agreed. The excuse of context was bullshit. You don’t use that word, you don’t put that word in anyone’s mouth.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:39:49am

re: #114 Shropshire Slasher

Don’t ask me how I know stepping on those feels like stepping in cat puke.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:40:09am

I had to say goodbye to my doggie Saturday morning. Stupid asshole cancer can just fuck right off. This is the shit cherry on a shit sundae. Sad doesn’t even cover it. Abby was my best buddy. Fuck.

Meanwhile I see that the fuckery continues non stop. I’m trying to convince and encourage millenials to vote in November. To the point of being a pest. So there’s that. I’m so tired and worn out. The man people in my life are on notice, this girl is taking care of herself for awhile. No one else will, so that is my new job. I’ve been a caregiver in some form or fashion since age 10. I think I deserve a break, a long one.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:43:02am

re: #118 A Mom Anon

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:44:24am

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Agreed. The excuse of context was bullshit. You don’t use that word, you don’t put that word in anyone’s mouth.

context does play a role, I still recall George Carlin’s comment about how “you can prick your finger but don’t finger your prick!”

of course, nuance and context are all but dead in the Twitter feed and talking point-based shouting match of modern political and social discourse.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:45:55am

Not everyone believes, out of respect behind privacy curtain.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:47:55am

re: #121 Shropshire Slasher

Not everyone believes, out of respect behind privacy curtain.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:50:14am

re: #121 Shropshire Slasher

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lizardofid  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:52:35am

re: #121 Shropshire Slasher

I know lot’s of folks that don’t “really” believe they are going to hit the lottery, but still buy a ticket, because it’s so nice to dream. ; )

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:55:06am

Not sure of the reliability of the information, but it does make me wonder what other links are going to get buried (pun intended) as Mueller’s investigation continues.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:56:03am

re: #124 lizardofid

I know lot’s of folks that don’t “really” believe they are going to hit the lottery, but still buy a ticket, because it’s so nice to dream. ; )

I have adopted the Magnum Lottery pension plan: I buy a lottery ticket every day until I retire. If I have not won by then, I go buy a Magnum .44 and knock off a bank. Even if I get caught, I am then guaranteed meals, medical care and a warm place to stay for the rest of my life…

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:56:43am

re: #123 A Mom Anon

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 5:58:49am

re: #86 wheat-dogg

Regarding the OP, The Lemon Twigs attended Hicksville High School, a couple of townships over from where I grew up.

Yes, there really is a Hicksville. It was founded by the son-in-law of Elias Hicks, the Quaker preacher.

ditto

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:00:09am

re: #88 wheat-dogg

I am afraid to contemplate their explanation, but I wonder if the Flat Erfers can explain cyclonic motion? It results from both convection currents and the Coriolis effect on a round Earth.

Just a random thought.

any explanation of anything related to flat earth is nothing but nonsensical rhetorical twaddle

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:00:31am
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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:03:07am

re: #106 wheat-dogg

Darwin award contender

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thank stars it wasnt florida, man

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A Mom Anon  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:03:47am

re: #127 sagehen

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:05:47am

re: #118 A Mom Anon

I had to say goodbye to my doggie Saturday morning. Stupid asshole cancer can just fuck right off. This is the shit cherry on a shit sundae. Sad doesn’t even cover it. Abby was my best buddy. Fuck.

Meanwhile I see that the fuckery continues non stop. I’m trying to convince and encourage millenials to vote in November. To the point of being a pest. So there’s that. I’m so tired and worn out. The man people in my life are on notice, this girl is taking care of herself for awhile. No one else will, so that is my new job. I’ve been a caregiver in some form or fashion since age 10. I think I deserve a break, a long one.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:06:45am

re: #102 wheat-dogg

More economics math fail

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That’s some high density bullshit for this early on a Monday.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:07:30am

re: #127 sagehen

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thats the definition of love right there

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:11:04am

re: #134 Mike Lamb

That’s some high density bullshit for this early on a Monday.

tell them what they want to hear and they will listen intently, shutting out everything else around them. that has been a winning approach to date and I only expect it to intensify

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:20:59am

re: #102 wheat-dogg

More economics math fail

Unemployment was also 50% from 2008-2016, so our recovery is even all the more amazing. MAGA!

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:26:18am

re: #134 Mike Lamb

That’s some high density bullshit for this early on a Monday.

He is (choose one)
(1) deluded
(2) ignorant
(3) hopelessly confused
(4) hoping he can hoodwink his idiot MAGAts with numbers
(5) all of the above.

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jeffreyw  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:29:17am

Imgur


Good morning!

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:29:53am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

I really don’t want a visit from Aunt Flo.

Morning!

I sure as hell hope this isn’t another hurricane like Ike in 2008. That storm not only tore the hell out of Texas, it continued to rip the hell out of middle America and up into Canada.

I remember the 80 mph winds that hit late the Sunday that weekend. Nothing like I’ve ever seen in Ohio before. Just Columbus alone had over 300,000 power outages, and the wind damage to roofs and anything that wasn’t tied down was extreme. Blue tarps over roofs all over the city.

Hoping for some kind of a change in it’s path to either turn it away from the coast or lessens its effects.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:32:39am

re: #138 wheat-dogg

He is (choose one)
(1) deluded
(2) ignorant
(3) hopelessly confused
(4) hoping he can hoodwink his idiot MAGAts with numbers
(5) all of the above.

its a trick question, right?

i choose 5
then i choose 1, 2, 3, and 4 for added emphasis

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:33:07am

Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods, one of the nearby water mains has bust a leak, and the upper floors of several apartment buildings have no water pressure. That includes the one where all the foreign teachers live. I’m on the second floor, so I am OK, but some of my colleagues are way past peeved that they will have no water till tomorrow. One is fuming mad that “no one told me I would not have water until tomorrow!! I’m writing the president of the university a letter!!”

In fact, we have a WeChat group for all the teachers in the building, of which she is a member, and we were notified early this morning. When we called her attention to it, she then complained it said “this afternoon” but now the water will be off until tomorrow afternoon, so it’s somehow our fault.

She is also acting like it is impossible to get a hotel room at 8:00 at night.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:43:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:49:20am

re: #143 Belafon

Takeaway from our three polls of Indiana, Missouri and Tennessee: Dems have a clear path to win back the Senate.

I know it is an overly optimistic scenario

so imagine them winning back House and Senate and initiating impeachment hearings against DJT

RW spin: “How is that Trump, after doing such a great job for two years, is suddenly being treated as a criminal? Witch Hunt!!!”

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retired cynic  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:50:21am

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

From an online dating site:

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I think we have found Patient Zero of the incel epidemic.

With pink curtains and a sparkly, dangly chandelier? Good grief.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:51:55am

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

From an online dating site:

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I think we have found Patient Zero of the incel epidemic.

Needs to add something about Nike-shoe-burning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:52:10am

re: #145 retired cynic

With pink curtains and a sparkly, dangly chandelier? Good grief.

he has some very deep-seated issues

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:54:07am

re: #108 Bass Reeves

G’morning people.

I was scrolling through the threads yesterday and saw a comment that made me go back a couple of threads and scroll through more comments. Just thought I’d share.

White. People. Don’t. Get. To. Use. Nigger.

White people also don’t get to tell other people not to worry about a white person’s use of the word nigger.

The fact that *this* community needs to be reminded of that in 2018 is quite literally appalling. There are 3 black people who comment regularly on this site, and I haven’t seen one of them in a couple of months. That bullshit where someone uses it, and everyone ignores, cosigns, or downplays the concerns of the *one person* who had the courage to stick her neck out to mention it…made this a much less safe place for us. The joking around afterward where someone said ‘they rarely use it’, and that seemed to be fine, is actually the point where I stop paying to be here.

This is why we don’t trust you.

Since I am one of the people you are obviously addressing I want to mention I had no problem with the person mentioning she was upset by the comment.

I used one word that was key, and maybe not totally understood and that was “emotional” and it will be hard to explain it if you don’t know why I used it.

I also used the word “surprised” and stated that I didn’t think it would be done again.

If no one understands why I posted what I did, all I can say is it is personal because of what happened a few weeks ago.

And that is not made to be an excuse. I totally understand what you are saying.

I also said I was trying to use some understanding a few comments later.

Sometimes understanding is good going both ways.

From my standpoint, I’d like to see no one use it. It creates issues and allows excuses. It would be fine by me if it was wiped from our lexicon completely.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 6:55:50am

re: #145 retired cynic

With pink curtains and a sparkly, dangly chandelier? Good grief.

At first glance, I thought it was a parody of a grinder profile. Then a real Grinder profile. Then not one.

Yeah, he’s outa luck, like this Kyle dude.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:02:05am

re: #149 wheat-dogg

At first glance, I thought it was a parody of a grinder profile. Then a real Grinder profile. Then not one.

Yeah, he’s outa luck, like this Kyle dude.

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Got a lot of guys out there who think they’re entitled to women.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:02:27am

re: #149 wheat-dogg

At first glance, I thought it was a parody of a grinder profile. Then a real Grinder profile. Then not one.

Yeah, he’s outa luck, like this Kyle dude.

The last one is a real kicker.

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CarolJ  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:02:58am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So true. Come to think about it, all ethnic slurs should be off limits. We’re better than that around here, and smarter. I’m another Af-AM, and while I don’t flinch, it’s still ugly. I don’t use it myself in any context.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:03:18am

re: #149 wheat-dogg

Easy things to ask on a first date that tell you whether a girl is worth deeper investment:

* Relationship with father

I have to grant him that the first one is important - if she has or has had a dysfunctional relationship with the first man in her life, it is likely to affect things down the line.

I met this lady in Frankfurt, went to her place for the first time and saw a family picture, asked what her dad did for a living.

“My father is a bastard,” she replied. “I’ll never love him.”

But I ignored that advice and we wound up marrying and stayed that way for 13 years before I gave up trying to deal with some serious emotional problems.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:04:28am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to grant him that the first one is important - if she has or has had a dysfunctional relationship with the first man in her life, it is likely to affect things down the line.

I met this lady in Frankfurt, went to her place for the first time and saw a family picture, asked what her dad did for a living.

“My father is a bastard,” she replied. “I’ll never love him.”

But I ignored that advice and we wound up marrying and stayed that way for 13 years before I gave up trying to deal with some serious emotional problems.

You really think someone should bring up their relationship with their dad on your first date? The question wasn’t about dysfunctional relationships, it was about her relationship with her dad.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:06:15am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If I asked that many personal questions on a first date, I’d never get the second one. Maybe one is OK, but his whole list reads like an HR questionnaire at a Fortune 500 company.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:07:16am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

You really think someone should bring up their relationship with their dad on your first date? The question wasn’t about dysfunctional relationships, it was about her relationship with her dad.

Not necessarily on a first date, but establishing the nature of her relationship with her parents is important before you get too involved. I found that out the hard way.

btw, I was just asking what her dad did for a living, she was the one who volunteered to tell me that he was an unloving bastard.

Needless to say “domestic duties” is a real zinger of a topic to bring up using those terms at any point.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:07:44am

re: #155 wheat-dogg

If I asked that many personal questions on a first date, I’d never get the second one. Maybe one is OK, but his whole list reads like an HR questionnaire at a Fortune 500 company.

He’s trying to set the terms of the relationship. I’m sure he’ll get a lot of them that way.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:08:37am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not necessarily on a first date, but establishing the nature of her relationship with her dad is important before you get too involved. I found that out the hard way.

Her dad or any parent. The guy specifically brought up the father. The first date should be about whether finding out if your interests are compatible. Not some deep psych evaluation like Kyle wants out of his lady.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:11:08am

I’m not the best at the dating game I concede but I usually use the first date to find out about what kind of music, movies, entertainment, etc we like, some small bits about family: siblings, parents, nieces/nephews, places we’ve traveled to, etc. I don’t know. I don’t think it’s right to ask someone you just met about their relationship with their parents. That’s something I understand you do as the relationship gets more intimate. That he singled out father was telling to me.

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danarchy  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:11:51am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know it is an overly optimistic scenario

so imagine them winning back House and Senate and initiating impeachment hearings against DJT

RW spin: “How is that Trump, after doing such a great job for two years, is suddenly being treated as a criminal? Witch Hunt!!!”

They would have to do more than take back the senate, they would need 2/3 of the senate to actually remove him. I don’t see any scenario where that happens. They could certainly impeach him. At least he would go down in history as one of the very few presidents ever to be impeached, but it may also motivate republican voters like nothing else could for 2020.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:12:31am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Her dad or any parent. The guy specifically brought up the father. The first date should be about whether finding out if your interests are compatible. Not some deep psych evaluation like Kyle wants out of his lady.

exactly, like I said, I was just asking a few general questions about her family and found out about her dominant dad and her passive-aggressive mom…

but she played fiddle.

I have a weakness for fiddle players.

Most recent fiddle player GF had a somewhat healthier relationship to her dad, but there were some issues that I started to notice later.

Also should have been a clue when she told me that although her mom and dad were still married, they had not shared a bed since she was young…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:13:40am

re: #160 danarchy

They would have to do more than take back the senate, they would need 2/3 of the senate to actually remove him. I don’t see any scenario where that happens. They could certainly impeach him. At least he would go down in history as one of the very few presidents ever to be impeached, but it may also motivate republican voters like nothing else could for 2020.

it would also allow them to subpoena a lot of very damaging evidence

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:15:07am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I’m not the best at the dating game I concede but I usually use the first date to find out about what kind of music, movies, entertainment, etc we like, some small bits about family: siblings, parents, nieces/nephews, places we’ve traveled to, etc. I don’t know. I don’t think it’s right to ask someone you just met about their relationship with their parents. That’s something I understand you do as the relationship gets more intimate. That he singled out father was telling to me.

He’s looking for a particular kind of woman, fitting some ideal roles he carries in his head. It’s the same motivation for some Western guys who hook up with Asian women, expecting them to be meek and submissive. Hint: they ain’t, especially after you’re married and they take control of the family finances.

Maybe I’m weird, but I don’t want the first date to be a job interview.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:15:38am

From Balloon Juice, some tweets on why diversity is important:

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:16:36am

re: #152 CarolJ

So true. Come to think about it, all ethnic slurs should be off limits. We’re better than that around here, and smarter. I’m another Af-AM, and while I don’t flinch, it’s still ugly. I don’t use it myself in any context.

i dont use it either - mostly because i have no need or context
however i think intent and purpose matter
i listen to a lot of raw-dog comedy on sirius radio. it’s thrown around a lot and often is funny. or just a meaningless throwaway filler word

richard pryor is not david duke

a white comedian whose name i cant recall had a bit explaning that he was ‘adopted’ by his black buddies and got ‘permission’ to use it. he got in trouble when he used it in front of a different group of black youth. it was very funny

i just finished re-watching ‘in the heat of the night’
1967 times were different - both on screen and off
and the movie stands up just fine
the racism is overt and obvious
‘that word’ was used 7 times. it was clear who was using it and why

words are not things
words have more than one meaning and use
and yes they evolve over time

withouth knowing the meaning and intent behind the choice of any word they are just sounds

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:17:34am

Dating…

Been married for almost 12 years.

Not that I’d ever consider divorcing my wife but I’d probably put up with anything not to date again.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:18:38am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it would also allow them to subpoena a lot of very damaging evidence

I forget which committees they are, but the head of those committees can access the president’s taxes.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:18:49am

also in the heat of the night there were lots of “boy” and one “whitey”

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:20:59am

Stanley, you around? I haven’t gloated about Saturday night yet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:21:01am

re: #163 wheat-dogg

Maybe I’m weird, but I don’t want the first date to be a job interview.

That is not at all weird.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:21:48am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is not at all weird.

I was being facetious.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:22:21am

re: #165 dangerman

words are not things
words have more than one meaning and use
and yes they evolve over time

withouth knowing the meaning and intent behind the choice of any word they are just sounds

context and nuance are difficult things for some to master

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wheat-dogg  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:22:40am

And on that note, it’s time for bed in the Middle Kingdom, which still sells a shit-ton of stuff to the USA.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:23:00am

re: #169 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Stanley, you around? I haven’t gloated about Saturday night yet.

Haha. Congrats!

We suck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:23:37am

re: #173 wheat-dogg

And on that note, it’s time for bed in the Middle Kingdom, which still sells a shit-ton of stuff to the USA.

the bulk of our economy is about marketing and selling things that are produced abroad

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:26:13am

re: #166 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Dating…

Been married for almost 12 years.

Not that I’d ever consider divorcing my wife but I’d probably put up with anything not to date again.

I don’t know how some people get married several times. Dating just exhausts me but I’m an Aspie weirdo with no small talk skills.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:27:16am

Models throwing up all sorts of scary scenarios for NC.

Here is the GFS model which shows Florence being an extremely strong hurricane as it hits NC, late Thursday night local time:

And after two days, notice how little Florence has moved:

Other models have Florence as not quite so strong, but even then worse because there is more rain, and all seem to indicate that the cyclone could hang around for several days.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:28:32am

re: #164 Belafon

From Balloon Juice, some tweets on why diversity is important:

Hey, c’mon, Tucker was just ‘asking questions’.
//

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:29:09am

Regarding the “N” word and Saturday’s postings.

I wouldn’t mind Charles’ input on it.

As pointed out, it used to be ‘filtered’ but I can’t say I remember how that worked because I never typed it and I have no idea if some posters did their own modifications.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:31:06am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I don’t know how some people get married several times. Dating just exhausts me but I’m an Aspie weirdo with no small talk skills.

Yes, my past partners were people I just enjoyed hanging out and talking with about any number of subjects.

I need a woman who has some art or poetry or music in her that speaks to me.

I recall a girlfriend from New Jersey with her Northern NJ accent saying “Depth. I like depth. Depth in art, depth in music, depth in people.”

Kind of a shame I let that one get away.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:32:51am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the bulk of our economy is about marketing and selling things that are produced abroad

A very large fraction of our economy is the nonproductive effort of determining who is entitled to have these things—ascertaining if they have the right pieces of paper in their pocket or the right bits in a computer somewhere, preventing them from getting these things if they don’t, and detecting when they get these things if they’re not allowed to and punishing them for it. An absolute drain with nothing to show for it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:33:05am

re: #179 ObserverArt

Regarding the “N” word and Saturday’s postings.

I wouldn’t mind Charles’ input on it.

As pointed out, it used to be ‘filtered’ but I can’t say I remember how that worked because I never typed it and I have no idea if some posters did their own modifications.

My mom did not mind me using certain words in certain contexts. It was okay to say that there was dog shit on the lawn but got upset when I called someone a shithead.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:34:18am

re: #179 ObserverArt

Regarding the “N” word and Saturday’s postings.

I wouldn’t mind Charles’ input on it.

As pointed out, it used to be ‘filtered’ but I can’t say I remember how that worked because I never typed it and I have no idea if some posters did their own modifications.

It was filtered, I believe because of the old guard that I’m assuming had been using it way too frequently. He recently removed the filter because it was blocking it and other words, namely the one that got Samantha Bee some flack, under the assumption that those of us remaining were adults and would use it in very specific circumstances.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:35:07am

re: #181 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A very large fraction of our economy is the nonproductive effort of determining who is entitled to have these things—ascertaining if they have the right pieces of paper in their pocket or the right bits in a computer somewhere, preventing them from getting these things if they don’t, and detecting when they get these things if they’re not allowed to and punishing them for it. An absolute drain with nothing to show for it.

And traditional bookkeeping is all but outdated because corporations rarely own anything that can be objectively assessed, they lease or outsource nearly everything and own only licenses and rights to brands and processes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:36:56am

re: #183 Belafon

It was filtered, I believe because of the old guard that I’m assuming had been using it way too frequently. He recently removed the filter because it was blocking it and other words, namely the one that got Samantha Bee some flack, under the assumption that those of us remaining were adults and would use it in very specific circumstances.

I haven’t commented at Balloon Juice for a dog’s age—does their filter still block the word “shoes”? And “socialism” because it has “Cialis” in the middle?

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:38:43am

Awkward!

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:39:45am

re: #183 Belafon

It was filtered, I believe because of the old guard that I’m assuming had been using it way too frequently. He recently removed the filter because it was blocking it and other words, namely the one that got Samantha Bee some flack, under the assumption that those of us remaining were adults and would use it in very specific circumstances.

Well, that seems to have caused some issues.

Then again…does a filter just mask an intent?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:40:54am

re: #186 Ace-o-aces

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Awkward!

Awkward.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:41:29am

I don’t know how you do it either. I just don’t think Ski meant any offense but I do understand why the word shouldn’t be used.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:41:59am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Awkward.

When even Fox News feels compelled to correct the Fearless Leader, that is major awkward.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:46:55am

re: #186 Ace-o-aces

Awkward!

The unemployment rate in all those quarters was fake.

/

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b.d.(tremendously big & tremendously wet)  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:52:12am

[trump] I’M NOT LYING, I’M MAKING IT UP. [/trump]

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:54:23am

Well damn,

I hadn’t seen this earlier. Now I know why Rob Portman is all in on Brett Kavanaugh.

This was from back on July 12th.

Iframe

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MsJ  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:57:19am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Got a lot of guys out there who think they’re entitled to women.

Not just any woman, but a woman who is classically beautiful and willing to be their sex slave, maid and mommy…beck and call and all that. They want a living, breathing, but not speaking Real Doll.

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MsJ  Sep 10, 2018 • 7:59:25am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to grant him that the first one is important - if she has or has had a dysfunctional relationship with the first man in her life, it is likely to affect things down the line.

I met this lady in Frankfurt, went to her place for the first time and saw a family picture, asked what her dad did for a living.

“My father is a bastard,” she replied. “I’ll never love him.”

But I ignored that advice and we wound up marrying and stayed that way for 13 years before I gave up trying to deal with some serious emotional problems.

How someone gets along with family is huge. I hate drama and going into someone else’s family drama is too much for me to deal with.

That said, what this guy is doing is interviewing instead of living. A date should be fun and exploratory. If you are actively looking for an out, which he is, the date and any possibility of a relationship will fail.

And, bam! You’re an incel.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:01:05am

re: #194 MsJ

Not just any woman, but a woman who is classically beautiful and willing to be their sex slave, maid and mommy…beck and call and all that. They want a living, breathing, but not speaking Real Doll.

He wants the sort of woman that his Victorian father of the landed gentry would have selected for him as a good match, one rife with all the virtues of the 19th century.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:02:31am

re: #195 MsJ

How someone gets along with family is huge. I hate drama and going into someone else’s family drama is too much for me to deal with.

That said, what this guy is doing is interviewing instead of living. A date should be fun and exploratory. If you are actively looking for an out, which he is, the date and any possibility of a relationship will fail.

And, bam! You’re an incel.

Again, not the sort of thing I would get into on a first date, but in this case, the woman volunteered that information when I was just asking general questions about what her dad did for a living.

I guess that said enough in itself, but I ignored the warning signs.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:02:34am

re: #118 A Mom Anon

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:13:14am

re: #164 Belafon

Tucker Carlson and his ilk are living proof that we might fail. They are the failure mode.

Deserves as many updings as possible for this insight/truth…

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MsJ  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:25:02am

JFC, this thread. Damn.

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calochortus  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:25:10am

Morning, all. We got back from a long weekend far from TV, phones, and internet. It was restful. Fortunately we were southeast of the Delta fire (north of Redding) and mostly away from the smoke. On the other hand, the drive home was very smoky because of that fire and another one that started over the weekend in Napa County. Sigh.
I-5 is still closed north of Redding, with a very long, slow detour around the fire due to a lack of other roads up there. It did make traffic pretty light coming back home yesterday because there is no route for trucks around the fire. As I said, we weren’t directly affected, but my brother and sister-in-law are headed up to Oregon today. I’m glad it’s not me. I’m sure they’re trying to get I-5 open again ASAP (see the part about no way for trucks to get through) but the area hadn’t burned in over a century, so there’s lots of fuel.

On the good side, we had a lovely time with the kids and their significant others.

And how old am I without numbers (or dates, or whatever it was?) Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary summited Everest.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:27:31am

re: #201 calochortus

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gDHmzdntrjE5DabMASddh68/b2eGsndQf2NMpXfVckg=

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:29:09am

re: #186 Ace-o-aces

Ouch!!! That’s got to sting for Trump and his ilk. Most of that data is from the Clinton years.

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plansbandc  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:31:05am

re: #118 A Mom Anon

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:32:20am

How old am I without numbers? Adlai Stevenson nominated.

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plansbandc  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:35:16am

re: #200 MsJ

Damn.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:35:28am

re: #205 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

How old am I without numbers? Adlai Stevenson nominated.

How old am I without numbers?

Here ya go.

‘That’s one small step for man one giant leap for mankind’ 1

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:35:33am

Is there any truth to this pic.
(Caution: NSFW, NSFS):

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:36:49am

re: #208 Teukka

Is there any truth to this pic.
(Caution: NSFW, NSFS):

page not available

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:38:27am

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

How old am I without numbers?

Here ya go.

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You’re one moon landing older than me.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:38:56am

re: #113 wheat-dogg

Thread if you want to see photos of Ivanka pre- and post-cosmetic surgery. She used to look like a female version of Eric and Don Jr., bless her heart.

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You can see she’s had some serious work done to her kidneys.

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:39:29am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

page not available

reload.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:40:13am

re: #208 Teukka

Is there any truth to this pic.
(Caution: NSFW, NSFS):

[Embedded content]

Yeah: I get a “Your Account temporarily locked” notice from FB trying to follow the link. ¿Que pasa?

AAACK! Liked it better when blocked….
But no, looks photoshopped to me (face looks badly matched to head).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:41:50am

gosh, I really do not care what consenting adults do for fun in private in their spare time, it is only of interest when subsequent hush money payments violate campaign finance laws…

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:45:51am

re: #213 Jay C

Yeah: I get a “Your Account temporarily locked” notice from FB trying to follow the link. ¿Que pasa?

Wat. Updated with locally saved pic. Reload.

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:47:08am

re: #215 Teukka

I did.
And regret it.
See #213.

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:48:05am

re: #216 Jay C

I did.
And regret it.
See #213.

That I don’t understand. I saved the pic because the status post link was broken.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:49:32am

re: #217 Teukka

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:50:40am

re: #218 Shropshire Slasher

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You’re welcome :)

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:51:30am
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Interesting Times  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:52:24am

re: #208 Teukka

Is there any truth to this pic.

I’m going to assume it’s a photoshop unless other evidence comes forth. Feels far too much like someone out for clicks/shares.

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CongoJack  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:54:43am

re: #220 gocart mozart

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“curvature of planet Earth”

Wrong… if that guy with the home made rocket could have gotten higher than a kite (pun!) he would tell you there is no curvature!

Yes… / … the earth is a sphere formed by gravity. Fort Collins a few miles away from me here in CO has a large group of mostly middle aged old men who are part of the “Flat Earth Society” and they are nuts.

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:55:56am

That’s my former mayor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:58:13am

re: #222 CongoJack

“curvature of planet Earth”

Wrong… if that guy with the home made rocket could have gotten higher than a kite (pun!) he would tell you there is no curvature!

Yes… / … the earth is a sphere formed by gravity. Fort Collins a few miles away from me here in CO has a large group of mostly middle aged old men who are part of the “Flat Earth Society” and they are nuts.

again, I am sure a lot of them are just trolls or “performance artists” who dig the outrage and the attention it gets them

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:58:42am

re: #221 Interesting Times

I’m going to assume it’s a photoshop unless other evidence comes forth. Feels far too much like someone out for clicks/shares.

Here’s an ELA of it: fotoforensics.com

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2018 • 8:59:48am

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

How old am I without numbers?

Here ya go.

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One is a number.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:01:15am

re: #226 sagehen

One is a number.

and the loneliest one at that

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:01:45am

re: #211 Skip Intro

You can see she’s had some serious work done to her kidneys.

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You can also see she’s not orthodox observant. That dress…

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:02:43am

re: #211 Skip Intro

You can see she’s had some serious work done to her kidneys.

[Embedded content]

Is okay to say she looks better smaller?

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sagehen  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:03:17am

re: #200 MsJ

JFC, this thread. Damn.

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And they don’t even mention Dennis Hastert.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:04:42am

re: #229 ObserverArt

Is okay to say she looks better smaller?

you know, I find that when it comes to women, it is a matter of overall proportions, over-sized breasts on a small figure are not necessarily more appealing

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:04:51am

re: #174 Stanley Sea

Haha. Congrats!

We suck.

The young man who caught the first TD pass- I coached in High School.

And My High School team made SportsCenter Top Ten plays on Friday night (#2)

Lexington Catholic football team makes SPORTSCENTER Top 10 - #2

There is NO DOUBT this is #SCTop10

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:06:04am

Lawyer Once Known as ‘The DWI Guy’ arrested for DWAI

Syracuse attorney Tom Anelli, who for years advertised heavily on radio airwaves as being “The DWI Guy,” was taken into custody by State Police Friday evening in Liverpool.

Troopers tell CNYCentral, a woman who had been a passenger in Anelli’s vehicle reported they got into a verbal argument and she left the vehicle and was walking along Tulip Street in Liverpool at about 9:30 p.m.

I wonder if he will represent himself…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:07:25am

re: #233 Shropshire Slasher

Lawyer Once Known as ‘The DWI Guy’ arrested for DWAI

I wonder if he will represent himself…

better call Saul

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:12:31am

re: #226 sagehen

One is a number.

If you changed ‘one’ to ‘a’, then ‘a’ would still be a number.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:12:46am

re: #200 MsJ

JFC, this thread. Damn.

They never should have let Bill Clinton have those third and fourth terms.

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:14:59am
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Stanley Sea  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:18:35am

re: #232 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The young man who caught the first TD pass- I coached in High School.

And My High School team made SportsCenter Top Ten plays on Friday night (#2)

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WOW that is excellent!

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:37:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:40:03am

jeebus…she is nutz

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:40:54am

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…she is nutz

She is what happens when you twist yourself beyond your elasticity point.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:46:01am

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…she is nutz

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If she was truly “moderate”, Collins would never consider confirming a political operative dressed up as a judge.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:52:49am

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…she is nutz

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Ah, good ol’ Republican street theater. “Oh, I’m so conflicted, I’m not sure about this, I need all the facts…but I’m pretty sure I’m going to vote with the rest of my party anyway.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:56:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2018 • 9:59:54am

Those holding a Polish nationality made up 85 of the newly proclaimed Irish citizens, representing the largest share of any national background.

The second-largest representation went to the United Kingdom, with 47 British recipients in total at Monday’s ceremony.

David Bacon, originally from England, had arrived in Ireland in 2005 with his Irish wife, Aisling, whom he had wed in 2001. Now an Offaly resident himself, he sees Ireland as his home and says he very much identifies with Irish culture and life, adding, “I always thought about citizenship, and when Brexit landed I knew I had to do it sooner rather than later.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:01:07am

I’ll save Collins and Murkowski the time, the voters are not going to forgive you for voting to confirm Kavanaugh if you hem and haw a lot about being “uncertain.” You’re not some newbie senators who are “feeling out” the role, you’re veterans with reputations as “moderates” who still vote with the party 9 times outta 10. So the more noise you make, the more obvious it becomes that you’re putting on a show when your minds are already made up. If you’re going to vote to confirm, then drop the act and be honest with the voters. This is the wrong year to play them for saps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:02:34am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ceremony sees people from 68 countries receive Irish citizenship

I know a lot of UK nationals who have become German citizens over the past year.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:04:12am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not to brag on my second great grandfather’s home but Ireland seems to have avoided a lot of the alt-right bs that our country and the Brits are facing. They’ve had their problems for sure but Ireland seems to be moving forward. Their current Taoseach (Prime Minister basically) is an openly gay son of an Indian immigrant and native Irish woman. I’m glad to see they’re being so welcoming because there’s a great saying I hear about what it means to be Irish and ti should apply to our country, that it’s not about race but a desire to be part of the nation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:04:57am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Not to brag on my second great grandfather’s home but Ireland seems to have avoided a lot of the alt-right bs that our country and the Brits are facing. They’ve had their problems for sure but Ireland seems to be moving forward. Their current Taoseach (Prime Minister basically) is an openly gay son of an Indian immigrant and native Irish woman. I’m glad to see they’re being so welcoming because there’s a great saying I hear about what it means to be Irish and ti should apply to our country, that it’s not about race but a desire to be part of the nation.

and they understand what it means to be able to have a nation willing to take in people looking for a better life

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electrotek  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:05:23am

Gotta love Australian racism:

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:06:16am

re: #222 CongoJack

“curvature of planet Earth”

Wrong… if that guy with the home made rocket could have gotten higher than a kite (pun!) he would tell you there is no curvature!

Yes… / … the earth is a sphere formed by gravity. Fort Collins a few miles away from me here in CO has a large group of mostly middle aged old men who are part of the “Flat Earth Society” and they are nuts.

Ursula K. Leguin - a bit paraphrased

Well … The sun rises in the east. To pretend the sun can rise in the west is a fiction, to claim that it does so as fact (or “alternative fact”) is a lie.

A lie is a non-fact deliberately told as fact. Lies are told in order to reassure oneself, or to fool, or scare, or manipulate others. Santa Claus is a fiction. He’s harmless. Lies are seldom completely harmless, and often very dangerous. In most times, most places, by most people, liars are considered contemptible.

to claim the earth is ‘flat’ is a lie.
nothing more than rhetorical word play
it couldnt be done with any science because it is not reality

crackpots

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electrotek  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:06:28am

Good on her for calling it as it is:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:06:30am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and they understand what it means to be able to have a nation willing to take in people looking for a better life

Yes, I think that’s part of why the Irish haven’t fallen victim to the nasty nativism that’s risen in the UK, France, Germany, and other places.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:07:13am

re: #229 ObserverArt

Is okay to say she looks better smaller?

agreed

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:07:40am

re: #252 electrotek

Ms Rowling hit the nail on the head.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:08:06am

re: #200 MsJ

JFC, this thread. Damn.

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giuliani, gingrich, trump - what is it 13 wives between them?

clinton: one

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:08:10am

There’s also a beautiful tribute in Ireland to the Creek Tribe I believe who despite all they had gone through here in America still lent out a helping hand during the Famine years in Ireland. Ireland’s got its flaws like any other nation. For years, they were way way too tied to the church’s whims on issues like abortion, divorce, and homosexuality but it does encourage me that the country is moving forward on a lot of key issues and has become a welcoming place to newcomers just as families like my own were once here and elsewhere.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:09:22am

re: #241 Belafon

She is what happens when you twist yourself beyond your elasticity point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:10:22am

re: #250 electrotek

Gotta love Australian racism:

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who knew Naomi had blond hair?

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:12:37am

My best advice to Collins and Murkowski is to approach Kavanaugh as if Obama or Hillary had nominated him. Would you be so on the fence for a Dem nominee where 80-90% of their total record was being withheld on “confidentiality” grounds? Would you support the nomination of a Dem candidate who feels a president can’t be subpoeaned by a Dem president under investigation for obstruction of justice? If a Dem nominee was facing accusations of having committed perjury multiple times, would you be saying in public that you’re “uncertain”? If that Dem nominee was a figure in some of the most controversial decisions of the Obama administration, would you be actively considering to confirm them?

If the answer to any of the above is “No,” but you’re still going to confirm Bob Kavanaugh anyway, then you’re wasting all our time by suggesting you’re in any way “conflicted.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:13:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:14:26am

re: #260 Targetpractice

My best advice to Collins and Murkowski is to approach Kavanaugh as if Obama or Hillary had nominated him.

I have long stopped asking “What if Obama had done it?” That is the point. They voted for the anti-Obama, the anti-Hillary, the anti-politician, the anti-statesman.

They got it and we are going to be stuck cleaning up the mess for decades to come.

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electrotek  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:14:49am

re: #261 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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It’s a Murdoch-owned outlet, of course they’re fine with it.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:15:32am

re: #261 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Am I the only one that sees an allusion to a bone through her nose based on how he drew the cheekbones/ears?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:15:55am

re: #263 electrotek

It’s a Murdoch-owned outlet, of course they’re fine with it.

again: she is a woman, a black woman, and a successful black woman.

brings out the worst in them

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:16:29am

re: #264 Mike Lamb

Am I the only one that sees an allusion to a bone through her nose based on how he drew the cheekbones/ears?

that’s not a bone, it’s a graphic dog whistle

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:16:57am

re: #260 Targetpractice

My best advice to Collins and Murkowski is to approach Kavanaugh as if Obama or Hillary had nominated him. Would you be so on the fence for a Dem nominee where 80-90% of their total record was being withheld on “confidentiality” grounds? Would you support the nomination of a Dem candidate who feels a president can’t be subpoeaned by a Dem president under investigation for obstruction of justice? If a Dem nominee was facing accusations of having committed perjury multiple times, would you be saying in public that you’re “uncertain”? If that Dem nominee was a figure in some of the most controversial decisions of the Obama administration, would you be actively considering to confirm them?

If the answer to any of the above is “No,” but you’re still going to confirm Bob Kavanaugh anyway, then you’re wasting all our time by suggesting you’re in any way “conflicted.”

while this is a spot on analysis, she would lie and just say “yes”

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:19:29am

Just what any dictator would want.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:21:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:23:18am

well, the ICC probably doesn’t give a rat’s ass what Bolton and the moron says.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:25:12am

Gee, I can’t imagine why Trump and Bolton would choose to have the US leave a court that is considering looking into US war crimes in Afghanistan and Israel war crimes against the Palestinians…

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:27:00am

re: #246 Targetpractice

I’ll save Collins and Murkowski the time, the voters are not going to forgive you for voting to confirm Kavanaugh if you hem and haw a lot about being “uncertain.” You’re not some newbie senators who are “feeling out” the role, you’re veterans with reputations as “moderates” who still vote with the party 9 times outta 10. So the more noise you make, the more obvious it becomes that you’re putting on a show when your minds are already made up. If you’re going to vote to confirm, then drop the act and be honest with the voters. This is the wrong year to play them for saps.

Does anyone know if Collins has expressed interest in continuing her Senate career and running again in 2020?

She is 65 currently, so another term or two is probably in her plans.

If she is not, then pressure from Maine citizens will have no effect. The other gamble she may be considering is she is two years away from another run and may be hoping people forget or cool down if she votes on Kavanaugh.

Murkowski was just elected in ‘16, but she appears to be getting pressured on several issues by her constituents. And as a winner of her seat at less than 50% of the vote she rides a thin line.

This article from HuffPost over the weekend goes to what some of that pressure entails. One biggie is Alaska having big troubles with Climate Change and Kavanaugh is not looking good at all on that issue.

Lisa Murkowski’s Biggest Reason To Oppose Brett Kavanaugh May Not Be Abortion Rights

WASHINGTON ― For all the speculation about Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and whether she’ll vote for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, there is an issue beyond abortion rights perhaps weighing more heavily on her as she makes her decision: protections for Alaska Natives.

Advocates for Alaska Natives, who were crucial to Murkowski’s re-election in 2010, tell HuffPost they’ve been flooding her office all week and urging her to oppose Kavanaugh.

They’re raising concerns about his record on climate change, which is already causing real damage in Alaska. As a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Kavanaugh in 2017 held that the Environmental Protection Agency lacks the authority to regulate hydrofluorocarbons, chemicals linked to global warming. They’re also unhappy with his record on voting rights. Kavanaugh voted in 2012 to uphold a South Carolina voter ID law that disenfranchised more than 80,000 minority registered voters.

The most pressing matter, however, is a case the Supreme Court is reviewing on Nov. 5 that could devastate Alaska Natives’ subsistence fishing rights. The case, Sturgeon v. Frost, raises questions about who has the authority to regulate water in national parks in the state ― the federal government or the state of Alaska. The case arose after Alaska resident John Sturgeon, who was on an annual moose-hunting trip, was riding a hovercraft on a river running through a national park when Park Service officials threatened to give him a citation. Sturgeon is arguing that his ability to use his hovercraft in this scenario is about states’ rights and that federal authority should be eliminated.

Kavanaugh has previously ruled to limit federal power in cases before him. If he gets confirmed and votes with the other four right-leaning justices in favor of Sturgeon’s argument, it will destroy the way of life for tribal communities who rely on subsistence fishing in protected federal waters, some Alaska Native rights groups say.

“This would be a death knell to us in Alaska, absolutely,” said Heather Kendall-Miller, an Alaska Native and an attorney with the Native American Rights Fund. “If this goes down, Alaska will be in a state of chaos when the fishing season begins. There will be lots of civil disobedience. It will be explosive.”

…more at link

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Interesting Times  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:28:32am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, the ICC probably doesn’t give a rat’s ass what Bolton and the moron says.

My reaction as soon as I saw John Bolton trending:

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:30:55am

re: #108 Bass Reeves

G’morning people.

I was scrolling through the threads yesterday and saw a comment that made me go back a couple of threads and scroll through more comments. Just thought I’d share.

White. People. Don’t. Get. To. Use. Nigger.

White people also don’t get to tell other people not to worry about a white person’s use of the word nigger.

The fact that *this* community needs to be reminded of that in 2018 is quite literally appalling. There are 3 black people who comment regularly on this site, and I haven’t seen one of them in a couple of months. That bullshit where someone uses it, and everyone ignores, cosigns, or downplays the concerns of the *one person* who had the courage to stick her neck out to mention it…made this a much less safe place for us. The joking around afterward where someone said ‘they rarely use it’, and that seemed to be fine, is actually the point where I stop paying to be here.

This is why we don’t trust you.

I crossed that line. I realized it the same day, thought about posting an ‘It’s not for me to say…’ comment, realized I already HAD said, got finger-tied, and took the easy route of doing nothing. This was totally inadequate. I apologize.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:32:25am

Why diversity is important, proven from the computer world:

Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Cardiff University in the U.K. found that artificial intelligence (AI) bots can develop prejudices by learning from each other. The team created a game in which AI bots must decide to either donate to a bot within their own group or to a bot in another group, factoring in donation strategies and the bots’ reputations. As the game progressed, the bots became increasingly prejudiced against bots from other groups. The bots devised new strategies by copying each other, mimicking approaches that offered a better short-term reward. Cardiff’s Roger Whitaker says, “Our simulations show that prejudice is a powerful force of nature and through evolution, it can easily become incentivized in virtual populations, to the detriment of wider connectivity with others.” He says protection from prejudicial groups can cause individuals to create further prejudicial groups, resulting in “widespread prejudice” that is difficult to reverse. Lower levels of prejudice occurred when a greater number of subgroups were present in a population.

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:35:39am

re: #250 electrotek

Gotta love Australian racism:

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I would wager Australian racists probably are as bigoted about Naomi Osaka as they are Serena.

She is Japanese-Haitian after all.

But that lousy cartoon is taking a shot at someone easy for them to attack right now. There is plenty of time to attack Naomi later.

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:38:12am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

who knew Naomi had blond hair?

Bigoted cartoonist liberties.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:38:19am

Finally home from my day trip to Atlantic City.

The drive home was pretty rough. Parts of AC were without power as we headed out, and the main route out of the city was flooded over in a few spots. Thank dog for relatively high-stance SUVs, or we’d still be down there. And it rained all the way from AC to my front door.

The Hard Rock is a real nice joint, and their staff was aces. But I got the vibe from the town that it’s just kind of limping along. But I got that same vibe the last time I was there somewhere around 1997, so I might be wrong on that.

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:40:04am

re: #263 electrotek

It’s a Murdoch-owned outlet, of course they’re fine with it.

He has moved up my list of ‘Enemy of the World.’

Currently running #2 just a tick behind Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:48:28am

re: #271 Targetpractice

Gee, I can’t imagine why Trump and Bolton would choose to have the US leave a court that is considering looking into US war crimes in Afghanistan and Israel war crimes against the Palestinians…

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Rule of Law except for you know, us.

/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:49:36am

re: #280 Sir John Barron

Rule of Law except for you know, us.

/

Kind of like how we act like terrorists are barbaric and then we do shit like waterboard. That always pissed me off.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:51:52am

re: #252 electrotek

Good on her for calling it as it is:

“JK Rowling, I see you need to have some mansplaining mansplained to you. Let me mansplain….”

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:53:55am

re: #108 Bass Reeves

G’morning people.

I was scrolling through the threads yesterday and saw a comment that made me go back a couple of threads and scroll through more comments. Just thought I’d share.

White. People. Don’t. Get. To. Use. Nigger.

White people also don’t get to tell other people not to worry about a white person’s use of the word nigger.

The fact that *this* community needs to be reminded of that in 2018 is quite literally appalling. There are 3 black people who comment regularly on this site, and I haven’t seen one of them in a couple of months. That bullshit where someone uses it, and everyone ignores, cosigns, or downplays the concerns of the *one person* who had the courage to stick her neck out to mention it…made this a much less safe place for us. The joking around afterward where someone said ‘they rarely use it’, and that seemed to be fine, is actually the point where I stop paying to be here.

This is why we don’t trust you.

I agree and I apologize.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:54:11am
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Jay C  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:58:31am

re: #280 Sir John Barron

Rule of Law except for you know, us.

/

Yep. “American Exceptionalism” …

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2018 • 10:59:09am

re: #252 electrotek

Wow. What a nasty, racist cartoon. Does that cartoonist do that when White men behave defensively during sporting events? I bet the answer is no.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:00:51am

re: #286 Patricia Kayden

If they’re black, sure he does.

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:03:14am
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sagehen  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:03:28am

re: #268 jaunte

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Just what any dictator would want.

Our people were never subject to ICC in the first place, because we said our own courts were sufficient if any of our people committed such crimes. And we did, in fact, convict some of our military of atrocities overseas.

The reason we supported ICC was so that countries who DON’T have reliable courts, who don’t have the means or the will… but maybe this is something North Korea or Russia asked for, or factions in some of the countries we’ll be taking sides in their upcoming civil wars.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:06:33am

re: #289 sagehen

Once more, Republicans doing what Putin would want.

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:07:42am
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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:08:14am

re: #288 gocart mozart

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Voters love the economy but Trump’s poll numbers are still dragging along. Seems no amount of cheerleading the economy is gonna save his ass.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:10:02am
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ipsos  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:14:47am

re: #278 makeitstop

Everything dies, baby that’s a fact
But maybe everything that dies, someday comes back…

(and the Boss wrote that back in ‘82…)

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Jay C  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:19:59am

re: #290 jaunte

Once more, Republicans doing what Putin would want.

Maybe, maybe not: dumping on the ICC, along with virtually any and every transnational institution or organization, has been a trademark policy of neocon-run Republican policy for decades (and pretty much institutionalized in the GOP since GWB’s election in 2000).
With a creature like John Bolton (the neocon hawk’s neocon hawk) in a position of power in this Administration, this sort of “public execution” of US support for the ICC was only to be expected.
Oh, of course, the Admin will wrap it all up in the flag, and rely on its RW media enablers to spin this as just all part of “Trump’s standing up for American sovereignty” or whatever star-spangled BS they want to tie it to: but the fact is that becoming/being a “rogue nation” is seen as a feature, not a bug by a non-trivial segment of the country’s political power-structure.
Immensely counterproductive, IMO, to the US’ international stature, but as long as
1) Political “points” can be won by jingoistic bluster
2) “Foreigners” can be blamed for any negative results
nothing much is going to be done.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:20:23am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:21:02am
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:22:20am

re: #108 Bass Reeves

I missed that when it happened but I just went back and agree that it was completely out of line.

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KGxvi  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:32:07am

re: #288 gocart mozart

We’ve reached the crazification factor on strong approval for Trump, according to that poll. And despite 70% saying the economy is good or excellent, only 41% satisfied with the direction of the nation (with only 15% very satisfied). If those kinds of numbers are consistent across polls, there’s got to be a lot of Republican strategists freaking the fuck out right now.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:32:25am

re: #296 Charles Johnson

non. Zakaria presents his interview with Bannon as an ostensibly neutral act of “listening” to someone else’s perspective.

Great thread on @FareedZakaria’s disturbingly disengenuous presentation of his interview with Steve Bannon. This wasn’t just normalization - they glamorized Bannon.

zakaria’s job is not only to listen.
it is to hear.
and then if necessary challenge bullshit

finally - the word ‘perspective’ itself already implies legitimacy right there.
THAT’s why you don’t give an inch from the start.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:33:51am

we do a fair bit of speculating around here. ponder this:

jackbutler5555 • 34 minutes ago

As if there wasn’t enough paranoia in the White House. Now Omarosa has tapes. I wonder if Omarosa has tapes of White House staff saying what they said they didn’t say to Woodward

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mmmirele  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:34:15am

Fareed Zakaria needs to get his head out of his ass. Bannon would have Zakaria deported back to Mumbai (where he was born) if he got his hands on real power. Seriously, Fareed, you are stupid!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:34:37am

tell us something we already don’t know.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:36:11am

Starts at about 3:00.

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KGxvi  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:36:26am

re: #301 dangerman

we do a fair bit of speculating around here. ponder this:

jackbutler5555 • 34 minutes ago

As if there wasn’t enough paranoia in the White House. Now Omarosa has tapes. I wonder if Omarosa has tapes of White House staff saying what they said they didn’t say to Woodward

(whispers)Woodward has those tapes anyway

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KGxvi  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:36:50am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

tell us something we already don’t know.

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something something, admitting it is the first step, something something

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MsJ  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:37:04am

re: #288 gocart mozart

Good stuff.

American voters believe 55 - 28 percent anonymous allegations that senior aides to President Donald Trump work behind his back to keep him from making what the aides believe are bad decisions, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today.

Republicans don’t believe these accounts 52 - 27 percent, the only listed party, gender, education, age or racial group which does not believe that aides are working behind the president’s back, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University National Poll finds.

But American voters say 51 - 39 percent that the person who wrote the allegations did the wrong thing by submitting them to the media to be published anonymously.

American voters disapprove 54 - 38 percent of the job President Trump is doing, compared to a 54 - 41 percent disapproval August 14.

The only listed groups approving of the president are Republicans, 84 - 7 percent and white voters with no college degree, 51 - 40 percent.

A total of 70 percent of American voters say the nation’s economy is “excellent” or “good,” matching the all-time high rating for the economy. Another 28 percent say the economy is “not so good” or “poor.”

“American voters believe those tales of intrigue coming from the Trump White House, but they think it’s wrong to tell those tales anonymously,” said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

“The economy booms, but President Donald Trump’s numbers are a bust. An anemic 38 percent approval rating is compounded by lows on honesty, strength and intelligence.

“But Trump’s base remains loyal.”

American voters give President Trump his lowest grade for honesty since he was elected, saying 60 - 32 percent that he is not honest. Trump gets low grades on most character traits:
57 - 38 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
55 - 41 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
65 - 30 percent that he is not level-headed;
57 - 39 percent that he is a strong person;
51 - 42 percent that he is intelligent;
60 - 33 percent that he does not share voters’ values;
55 - 41 percent that he is not fit to serve as president;
48 - 42 percent that he is mentally stable.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:37:27am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

tell us something we already don’t know.

The fact that someone associated with this White House can admit that is kind of new.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:38:56am

re: #307 MsJ

“If you add ten points, like I do with the polls, everyone admits I’m smarter than Obama.” - Trump most likely.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:39:06am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

tell us something we already don’t know.

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WHERE ARE YOUR FUCKING TAPES?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:39:14am

Even after posting a video clip.

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:39:28am

re: #298 goddamnedfrank

I completely missed that when it happened but I just went back and agree that it was completely out of line.

I am now completely conflicted about my own comment and the reason why I made it.

I just hope BassReeves and others are open to both apologies and maybe a little understanding.

There is that word again: understanding.

It seems to be a double-edged word. You try to understand one point and end up stepping on another.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:40:13am

re: #311 Charles Johnson

Even after posting a video clip.

They’re not going to believe their lying eyes/ears.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:41:23am

ROFL!

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:45:07am

re: #312 ObserverArt

When I read the original comment, it once again reminded me of my relatives, which the Palins often do. And that’s exactly how they would be thinking and saying. (I stay as far away from them as possible, btw.) But, upon reading Bass Reeves’ comment, I’ve realized that it should not have been used outside of an explicit quote from someone. It shouldn’t be used to insinuate because there’s a history of the word that really means it should be left alone.

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KGxvi  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:46:02am

Meanwhile, Hurricane Florence is setting up to pack a helluva punch on the Carolinas. Apparently, there’s potential for the storm to stall when it makes landfall.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:48:23am

re: #305 KGxvi

(whispers)Woodward has those tapes anyway

im just playing around here

i assume woodward has tapes of his interviews where someone tells him what they said or what happened. the quotes in the book are being called fake, lies, untrue anyway

omarosa maginot-line may have tapes of the actual statements live

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:49:12am

re: #288 gocart mozart

I wonder why they’re high on the economy, though, as the numbers, while they’re good, are not that incredibly better than what we had when this guy got in the WH.

Two years of hearing from DJT and conservative punditry that the country was a sh*thole, that the *real unemployment rate* was much, MUCH higher than the government reported UER, and that all the gov numbers were fake news, has brought to a sudden end and now all the gov data is reported as fact has made the “change” in the economy seem all the greater.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:49:26am

re: #309 Belafon

“If you add ten points, like I do with the polls, everyone admits I’m smarter than Obama.” - Trump most likely.

polls make you look ten points lighter

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:50:43am

Here comes Her Malevolence, SHS.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:51:00am
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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:51:43am

re: #320 Barefoot Grin

Here comes Her Malevolence, SHS.

How long did it take to reprogram the Stepford Secretary?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:53:00am
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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:53:38am

re: #313 Belafon

They’re not going to believe their lying eyes/ears.

they’ll say he didnt say it there, it was somewhere else
then you’ll say find a clip
and they’ll say do it yourself, i dont have time (or whatever)
and of course you cant prove that something has never existed

dont accept the premise. arguing and engaging make it a ‘legitimate difference of opinion. so dont.

“that statement is a lie. come back with video or don’t bother”

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:53:52am

re: #304 Charles Johnson

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Starts at about 3:00.

Charles, what was the Trump tweet quote?

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:54:24am

re: #322 Belafon

How long did it take to reprogram the Stepford Secretary?

Press briefings are vanishingly rare these days. I think the recharge/reboot is taking longer and longer.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:54:55am

Obama said the words “magic wand” therefore anything attached to those words.

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KGxvi  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:56:49am

re: #326 Barefoot Grin

Press briefings are vanishingly rare these days. I think the recharge/reboot is taking longer and longer.

It’s an old battery, doesn’t hold the charge like it used to. My first iphone was like that after a while, would hold enough of a charge to stay on but if I used it for more than 3 minutes it would die.

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gocart mozart  Sep 10, 2018 • 11:57:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:00:36pm

see Jonathan’s TL for more background info

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:00:48pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

I wonder if the conservative’s break with reality was precipitated by their grade school teachers trying to teach them about homonyms.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:00:52pm

re: #327 jaunte

Obama said the words “magic wand” therefore anything attached to those words.

Obama should also stay silent while Orange guy with small hands lies about him and criticizes him every day.

//

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:01:37pm

re: #331 Single-handed sailor

I’m starting to think it may be a reflexive troll on par with ‘Democrat Party.’

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:02:55pm

re: #329 gocart mozart

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I’m glad she’s upset now but it would have meant something had she done it then rather than being a bully for Trump.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:06:36pm

because it’s fun

YouTube

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:10:35pm
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jaunte  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:10:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:12:11pm

re: #337 jaunte

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Exactly. If they want to look into it internally fine but it’s not the FBI’s business.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:14:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:15:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:19:57pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:20:20pm

When is the Kavanagh vote supposed to be?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:22:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:22:16pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

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The truth is his tweets make him look unhinged but yeah it’s all about trolling the libs. Btw he’s supposed to be President not a Twitter troll. If you want some to troll liberals, keep them out of important jobs.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:23:43pm

re: #341 goddamnedfrank

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Wow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:23:56pm

re: #343 goddamnedfrank

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De gustibus non est disputandum, but…Ewwww…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:24:55pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

The truth is his tweets make him look unhinged but yeah it’s all about trolling the libs. Btw he’s supposed to be President not a Twitter troll. If you want some to troll liberals, keep them out of important jobs.

Unfortunately, he’s currently both.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:29:58pm

John Oliver’s main story last night made me hate Rick Scott even more. No wonder the GOP wins the state: the widespread disenfranchisement of citizens who have served their time is a disgrace. 20% of African Americans are ineligible to vote — and the only way they can regain their privilege is by an all white board led by Scott (a criminal himself) who basically ignores or denies most such requests.

There is a referendum on the ballot to restore these rights — but given who can vote in the state, it likely will not pass.

edited for correction

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Stanley Sea  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:30:27pm

Mandatory evacuation. Me, BeachDem. My fam. 2 cats. Noon tomorrow. Oh boy.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:32:05pm

re: #349 Stanley Sea

Mandatory evacuation. Me, BeachDem. My fam. 2 cats. Noon tomorrow. Oh boy.

Oh, stay safe, you and the kittehs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:32:24pm

OK, went to services this morning. Kept my mouth shut when I saw someone wearing these…

Not kidding. Converse actually makes these…

I thought there was no way those could be for sale.

I was wrong.

coalitionfortrumpsuperstore.com

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Sir John Barron  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:33:09pm

re: #351 Joe Bacon 🌹

OK, went to services this morning. Kept my mouth shut when I saw someone wearing these…

[Embedded content]

I thought there was no way those could be for sale.

I was wrong.

coalitionfortrumpsuperstore.com

Oh boy, so sorry

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:35:03pm

re: #351 Joe Bacon 🌹

OK, went to services this morning. Kept my mouth shut when I saw someone wearing these…

[Embedded content]

I thought there was no way those could be for sale.

I was wrong.

coalitionfortrumpsuperstore.com

You can go to the Nike website and custom make shoes.

You should tell them they should take off the shoes before they light them on fire.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:35:21pm

I think this is the problem in a nutshell. People like the police, and that turns into unwavering support, which then becomes unwillingness to think any ill of police, so any story where police shoot some unarmed person, or about racial discrimination in policing becomes an attack on police in general. People can’t grasp the idea that any given officer may respond at least in part out of some racist feeling, without that officer being A Bad Person.

So, then there’s a video of a cop shooting an unarmed person, and that causes discomfort - how can a Good Cop be a Bad Person? So, they resolve the discomfort by either making the shooting victim into the Bad Guy (“Why didn’t he comply?”) or they make the cop into a Bad Person (“He’s a Bad Apple! Cops aren’t racist!”).

And we now worship cops like heroes, talk about how dangerous the job is, how their families wonder whether ‘This is the day he doesn’t come home’, and generally exaggerate the risk. Roofers, lumberjacks, commercial fishermen, construction workers in general - these jobs are objectively more dangerous than policing, which doesn’t even crack the top 10 most dangerous jobs. But we don’t talk about THEIR families wondering if ‘This is the day…’

And if I write this on FB, people will think I’m an anti-cop asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:37:24pm

re: #351 Joe Bacon 🌹

OK, went to services this morning. Kept my mouth shut when I saw someone wearing these…

[Embedded content]

I thought there was no way those could be for sale.

I was wrong.

coalitionfortrumpsuperstore.com

I would mock someone who wore those for Obama or Clinton. Those are ugly.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:37:29pm

re: #346 Blind Frog Belly White

De gustibus non est disputandum, but…Ewwww…

there is no fruit in bagels
the rest is fine

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:40:04pm

re: #356 dangerman

there is no fruit in bagels
the rest is fine

Not big on the whole tree bark aspect either, in this context. Cinnamon-raisin bread can be fucking fantastic, but with smoked salmon and capers? Yeesh.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:41:07pm

re: #354 Blind Frog Belly White

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I think this is the problem in a nutshell. People like the police, and that turns into unwavering support, which then becomes unwillingness to think any ill of police, so any story where police shoot some unarmed person, or about racial discrimination in policing becomes an attack on police in general. People can’t grasp the idea that any given officer may respond at least in part out of some racist feeling, without that officer being A Bad Person.

So, then there’s a video of a cop shooting an unarmed person, and that causes discomfort - how can a Good Cop be a Bad Person? So, they resolve the discomfort by either making the shooting victim into the Bad Guy (“Why didn’t he comply?”) or they make the cop into a Bad Person (“He’s a Bad Apple! Cops aren’t racist!”).

And we now worship cops like heroes, talk about how dangerous the job is, how their families wonder whether ‘This is the day he doesn’t come home’, and generally exaggerate the risk. Roofers, lumberjacks, commercial fishermen, construction workers in general - these jobs are objectively more dangerous than policing, which doesn’t even crack the top 10 most dangerous jobs. But we don’t talk about THEIR families wondering if ‘This is the day…’

And if I write this on FB, people will think I’m an anti-cop asshole.

You hit the ball out of the park as far as I’m concerned. I think a lot of this goes back to 9/11 where cops, firefighters, & emts were lauded for their role and I might add rightfully but we need the same skepticism or rather want for accountability directed at cops that is directed elsewhere at the moment when we should hold cops up to a standard.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:41:55pm

re: #356 dangerman

there is no fruit in bagels
the rest is fine

Cinnamon Raisin bagels are great but with salmon? Come on now.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:42:12pm

re: #354 Blind Frog Belly White

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I think this is the problem in a nutshell. People like the police, and that turns into unwavering support, which then becomes unwillingness to think any ill of police, so any story where police shoot some unarmed person, or about racial discrimination in policing becomes an attack on police in general. People can’t grasp the idea that any given officer may respond at least in part out of some racist feeling, without that officer being A Bad Person.

So, then there’s a video of a cop shooting an unarmed person, and that causes discomfort - how can a Good Cop be a Bad Person? So, they resolve the discomfort by either making the shooting victim into the Bad Guy (“Why didn’t he comply?”) or they make the cop into a Bad Person (“He’s a Bad Apple! Cops aren’t racist!”).

And we now worship cops like heroes, talk about how dangerous the job is, how their families wonder whether ‘This is the day he doesn’t come home’, and generally exaggerate the risk. Roofers, lumberjacks, commercial fishermen, construction workers in general - these jobs are objectively more dangerous than policing, which doesn’t even crack the top 10 most dangerous jobs. But we don’t talk about THEIR families wondering if ‘This is the day…’

And if I write this on FB, people will think I’m an anti-cop asshole.

How in the hell could anybody have any “confidence” in the Police Department? Cops are the enemy. The enemy of everyone. The enemy of every human value, every value we’re supposed to hold as a nation. I don’t care who calls me an anti-cop asshole—I glory in the title.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:46:50pm

People love the cops until they’re the ones hassled.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:50:06pm

re: #354 Blind Frog Belly White

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I think this is the problem in a nutshell. People like the police, and that turns into unwavering support, which then becomes unwillingness to think any ill of police, so any story where police shoot some unarmed person, or about racial discrimination in policing becomes an attack on police in general. People can’t grasp the idea that any given officer may respond at least in part out of some racist feeling, without that officer being A Bad Person.

So, then there’s a video of a cop shooting an unarmed person, and that causes discomfort - how can a Good Cop be a Bad Person? So, they resolve the discomfort by either making the shooting victim into the Bad Guy (“Why didn’t he comply?”) or they make the cop into a Bad Person (“He’s a Bad Apple! Cops aren’t racist!”).

And we now worship cops like heroes, talk about how dangerous the job is, how their families wonder whether ‘This is the day he doesn’t come home’, and generally exaggerate the risk. Roofers, lumberjacks, commercial fishermen, construction workers in general - these jobs are objectively more dangerous than policing, which doesn’t even crack the top 10 most dangerous jobs. But we don’t talk about THEIR families wondering if ‘This is the day…’

And if I write this on FB, people will think I’m an anti-cop asshole.

everything is turning into black and white / either/or thinking
or more accurately - non-thinking
when the world is 99% grey

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:52:52pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

Cinnamon Raisin bagels are great but with salmon? Come on now.

cin raisin bagels are not in pineapple pizza territory
for us, thought they are not a thing
nor strawberry, blueberry, lemon, and on and on

i make a kick-ass apple cin rumraisin bread that mrs dm adores.
no need to outsource

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:53:04pm

re: #362 dangerman

everything is turning into black and white / either/or thinking
or more accurately - non-thinking
when the world is 99% grey

It reduces all the color and shading in the real world into a simple line drawing.

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:55:20pm

re: #360 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

How in the hell could anybody have any “confidence” in the Police Department? Cops are the enemy. The enemy of everyone. The enemy of every human value, every value we’re supposed to hold as a nation. I don’t care who calls me an anti-cop asshole—I glory in the title.

well to be fair there is no “the police department”
any more than there is ‘the left’ or whatever

its an overarching term for lots of big, small, city, country, bureaucratic, elected, appointed…just so many variations

some are good some are not so good. it could be a lot like congress. congress sux. my guy’s great

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dangerman  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:56:50pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

It reduces all the color and shading in the real world into a simple line drawing.

‘you’re either with us or against us’
it’s what’s pushing all this tribal-like thinking

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:57:26pm

re: #361 HappyWarrior

People love the cops until they’re the ones hassled.

Nailed it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:58:27pm

re: #366 dangerman

‘you’re either with us or against us’
it’s what’s pushing all this tribal-like thinking

“When you’re a Jet, you’re a Jet all the way,
“From your first cigarette to your last dying day!”

(Sorry. It just popped into my head, so I figured I’d pop it into everyone else’s)

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2018 • 12:59:56pm

re: #191 Sir John Barron

The unemployment rate in all those quarters was fake.

/

It took me a while to find it, but I finally found the post where the Rude Pundit nailed how things would ‘change’ once Trump got into office. From July 22, 2016.

And Trump went further than any of the fearmongers before him in portraying the United States as a nightmare, a lawless landscape of rampant crime (which is really down), cops being gunned down (fewer than ever), and undocumented immigrants murdering the fuck out of us (very rarely). The world itself is falling to pieces (despite it being one of the most peaceful periods in the planet’s history). Every one of Trump’s assertions is factually wrong. That’s not just an opinion. Facts, actual numbers, something that Trump is very fond of mentioning, bear that out. But, no, the whole place is turning to shit, according to Trump. The only solution Trump offered is Trump. Trump will make it all better. All you gotta do is vote him in. Then America will be great again. He’ll do it all by himself.

Or maybe, just maybe, this is the con: You make everyone believe that the world is turning to shit and then when you’re elected, you just change the spin. “Oh, hey, look, crime is way down,” you say, not even hinting that it was down before you were elected. “Oh, hey, look, my strategy on ISIS worked,” you say, not mentioning that it was headed that way anyways. “Oh, hey, look, I’ve put into place a nearly two-year process for incoming refugees,” you announce, leaving out that that’s how it’s been for a long time. See how easy it is to make America great again? You just start saying it is and then, racist blinders off, everyone looks around and says, “Well, shit, things really are pretty good.” And for shit that wasn’t getting done because Republicans wouldn’t let it get done, like child care and infrastructure spending, hell, all of a sudden, the GOP will be the biggest fan of funding bridges and roads. And who gets all the credit? Not the n*****r president who obviously fucked it all up because he’s such a n****r. All accolades go to Trump.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:00:04pm

re: #365 dangerman

well to be fair there is no “the police department”
any more than there is ‘the left’ or whatever

its an overarching term for lots of big, small, city, country, bureaucratic, elected, appointed…just so many variations

some are good some are not so good. it could be a lot like congress. congress sux. my guy’s great

The Cop Mentality is the psychological type that fancies themselves like the dominant male in a baboon troop—every individual they encounter has to perform some ritual of abasement before them. And if they won’t, they’ve got their government-supplied penis-substitute—that their victim paid for—to force them to. This mental type must be ruthlessly weeded out of society. Completely.

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austin_blue  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:02:29pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

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Say hello to Sergei, Charles!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:04:59pm

re: #351 Joe Bacon 🌹

OK, went to services this morning. Kept my mouth shut when I saw someone wearing these…

[Embedded content]

I thought there was no way those could be for sale.

I was wrong.

coalitionfortrumpsuperstore.com

Looks like more of a propaganda organization than a store.

Free Trump Gear

Oddly, not everything on the page is free.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 10, 2018 • 1:06:04pm

re: #372 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Looks like more of a propaganda organization than a store.

Free Trump Gear

Oddly, not everything on the page is free.

Maybe it’s not declaring that the Trump Gear is Free, but rather an exhortation to liberate it?
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