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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:32:54am

I wish I could find material of people who were traveling overseas when 9/11 happened and the experience it was being far from America on the worst day of this country’s history.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:36:21am

re: #1 electrotek

I wish I could find material of people who were traveling overseas when 9/11 happened and the experience it was being far from America on the worst day of this country’s history.

I was (and still am ) living in Germany. We were moving a piano. When I first heard of a plane crashing into the Pentagon, I assumed it was a crackpot in a Cessna, as had happened before with the White House.

Then the other reports started coming in and we turned on the TV.

Next day, my three-year-old daughter asked if we were going to watch that show again where they fly planes into buildings.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:37:58am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:39:41am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

These people are a parody of themselves.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:40:37am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Department of Swagger has some Serious Swagger! Yes. Chairman Kim thank you for the praise, also thank you president Putin for loving us!

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:41:01am

Isaac Chotiner:
Nobody’s Heroes
Bob Woodward’s new book presents Trump staffers as our last line of defense. We’re doomed.

“…Perhaps the biggest non-hinge moment in the book occurs in July 2017, six months after Trump has taken office and two years since he emerged as a presidential candidate by offering his thoughts on Mexican rapists. “Mattis and Gary Cohn had several quiet conversations about The Big Problem: The president did not understand the importance of allies overseas, the value of diplomacy or the relationship between the military, the economy, and intelligence partnerships with foreign governments.” The two men decide to meet to “develop an action plan,” which consists of getting the president in the Tank, “the Pentagon’s secure meeting room for the Joint Chiefs of Staff,” because it might “focus him.” But when they do, and succeed in telling him about the value of allies and diplomacy, Trump ignores them and proceeds to rant and rave on a variety of subjects. The meeting wraps up after accomplishing precisely nothing. (This is the event that caused Rex Tillerson to call Trump a “fucking moron.”)

What remains astonishing about the meeting is not that Trump is an idiot. It’s that Mattis and Cohn seemed to have hopes for their plan, believing they could use the sit-down to really turn a corner. The book is so full of scenes like this because the people around Trump seem to have less feel for the president than a politically astute person who spends 20 minutes a day reading the newspaper.”

amp.slate.com

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:42:24am

The more I read into the Jean case, the more convinced I become that the charge of manslaughter is not just them giving her a wrist-slap, it’s a strategy to lower the bar for the jury to hop over. There reportedly are two witnesses who heard a verbal exchange before the shots, which is probably why she suddenly charged her story from “saw intruder and shot” to “shot intruder after he refused lawful orders.”

If she’d simply shot him, they could spin it as “She feared for her life and took immediate action” and beat a murder charge. She spends a few weeks going through post-shooting therapy and retraining while riding a desk before getting her gun back.

But if she’s yelling “Get on the ground!” and he’s yelling back “This is my apartment!,” there’s enough time for her to realize her mistake and safe her weapon. So now they have to say “Well, it was a total mistake,” hence the massaging of her story to say she didn’t realize she had the wrong apartment until 9/11 asked for her address. But even that story is hard to believe, considering she lived 3 stories above him, their apartments are not going to be furnished in the exact same fashion, and (most importantly) she has a dog that wasn’t making a shitload of noise at this “intruder.” If she wasn’t impaired (which would be a no-no if she was in uniform), then she should have been clearheaded enough to recognize at least one of those facts before she shot him.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:44:17am

re: #6 jaunte

Isaac Chotiner:
Nobody’s Heroes
Bob Woodward’s new book presents Trump staffers as our last line of defense. We’re doomed.

amp.slate.com

To rephrase what I said last thread, the GOP has been selling an idiots version of how our government and economy works, and their cult followers finally elected someone who believes it.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:45:44am

re: #7 Targetpractice

I caught the story last night on WFAA. The DA is looking at raising the charges.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:51:00am
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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:51:14am

re: #9 Belafon

I caught the story last night on WFAA. The DA is looking at raising the charges.

I’ll believe it when I see it. I don’t doubt the DA has received more than one call from the union lawyers asking how they can make this all “go away.” She does a little community service, the city cuts the family a check, and everybody is “happy.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:51:46am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:52:55am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:53:33am

re: #12 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Did anyone tell him that sermons aren’t the place for protests?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:53:50am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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JFC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:54:06am

re: #10 gocart mozart

Paul McCartney Details, in New Profile, the Time He Masturbated With John Lennon

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:57:27am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Did anyone tell him that sermons aren’t the place for protests?

Xtians get their latest Republican talking points from the pulpit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:58:38am

re: #10 gocart mozart

Well at least it ain’t Revolution 69! 😉

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 11:58:41am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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Facebook installs wingnut “fact checkers” who proceed to label anything that does not conform to their worldview as “false.”

And Twitter kicks Alex Jones only after making a big scene about how they cannot be arbiters of “truth” and that voices shouldn’t be “silenced,” despite multiple examples of them doing just that to liberal tweets.

But remember, it’s conservatives who are the “victims” here.///////

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:05:00pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:06:31pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:10:34pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Alabama pastor cuts up Nike gear during sermon to protest Kaepernick ad
— The Hill

Delicate snowflake.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:11:14pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:11:16pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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17 years since I went on TV and bragged about my building!

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:11:41pm

‘re: #7 Targetpractice

The more I read into the Jean case, the more convinced I become that the charge of manslaughter is not just them giving her a wrist-slap, it’s a strategy to lower the bar for the jury to hop over. There reportedly are two witnesses who heard a verbal exchange before the shots, which is probably why she suddenly charged her story from “saw intruder and shot” to “shot intruder after he refused lawful orders.”

If she’d simply shot him, they could spin it as “She feared for her life and took immediate action” and beat a murder charge. She spends a few weeks going through post-shooting therapy and retraining while riding a desk before getting her gun back.

But if she’s yelling “Get on the ground!” and he’s yelling back “This is my apartment!,” there’s enough time for her to realize her mistake and safe her weapon. So now they have to say “Well, it was a total mistake,” hence the massaging of her story to say she didn’t realize she had the wrong apartment until 9/11 asked for her address. But even that story is hard to believe, considering she lived 3 stories above him, their apartments are not going to be furnished in the exact same fashion, and (most importantly) she has a dog that wasn’t making a shitload of noise at this “intruder.” If she wasn’t impaired (which would be a no-no if she was in uniform), then she should have been clearheaded enough to recognize at least one of those facts before she shot him.

I don’t think the blood work is back yet. You’re right, it’s a no no, but…….

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:13:00pm

re: #25 lizardofid

On the shouldn’t be impaired, I’m not sure the blood work is back yet. It’

I don’t think the blood work is back yet. You’re right, it’s a no no, but…….

It’s not back yet, but the evidence made public so far indicates either impairment or willful ignorance. Neither of which is a helpful element in creating a defense for a cop involved in a shooting.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:14:50pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

It’s not back yet, but the evidence made public so far indicates either impairment or willful ignorance. Neither of which is a helpful element in creating a defense for a cop involved in a shooting.

Correct, not a defense. Impaired on the job? Extra charges.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:15:17pm

I honestly think if Trump had been President during 9/11 we would have nuked Afghanistan.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:15:21pm

Gotta love that wingnut mentality that says “I’m gonna go out and buy some Nike shit just to burn it/cut it up!” that believes doing so will in some way hurt Nike or its ability to make a profit.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:17:07pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Gotta love that wingnut mentality that says “I’m gonna go out and buy some Nike shit just to burn it/cut it up!” that believes doing so will in some way hurt Nike or its ability to make a profit.

Or will somehow appease their god.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:18:06pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:20:32pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:22:03pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:28:33pm

What I’d like to ask the DPD is what would have happened if Jean had obeyed those “lawful orders”? Probably the same thing that’s happening now: The department would have covered for Guyger’s ass by turning over his apartment to look for “contraband” or “evidence of unlawful acts” while she sat in the corner to sober up. Or they would have let him go with an “apology” and then made up excuses for why a cop broke into his apartment in the dead of night.

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makeitstop  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:30:12pm

Man, I get some weird-ass Trump-themed spam. The latest:

Mail header reads ‘Trump to end the dollar as we know it by March 21, 2018?’

(I know, I know. But…wait!)

The text of the email:

Congress not needed for Trump dollar reboot

While the Congress fails to enact Donald Trump’s policy agenda…

The groundwork is potentially being laid for a massive ‘reboot’ to our nations (sic) money that won’t need Congress.

One that could truly ‘Make America Great Again.’ And all by as soon as May 2, 2018.

You’ve never heard of this before. Click here for the full details!

Two different dates (both of which are long gone), spelling errors, blamin (a Republican) Congress for failing…

This was obviously market-tested to push every one of the Red Hat’s buttons.
//

(How the fuck did I get on this list, anyway?)

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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:32:48pm

re: #32 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Even on a day like this…

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:33:57pm

One aspect of the killing of Mr. Jean that keeps bugging me is the differing reports on the state of the door to his apartment. The cop in her statement claims it was unlocked, and slightly ajar. Meanwhile, there are reported witnesses that say they heard her knocking, and demanding entrance.

One attorney, Lee Merritt, said two independent witnesses had come forward to say they heard knocking on the door in the hallway before the shooting. Merritt said one witness reported hearing a woman’s voice saying, “Let me in, let me in.” Then they heard gunshots, he said.

dallasnews.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:34:34pm

re: #36 electrotek

Even on a day like this…

People do not fucking care at all anymore. The unity that followed 9/11 may never be seen again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:34:52pm

I’m gonna express an unpopular opinion:

I’m tired of 9/11.

Despite our brief national unity, it led to rising xenophobia, and rising radicalization of the Right, culminating in Trump, and a GOP that cares about power above all other things. It was when the word “Treason” started being applied to simply disagreeing with the President, and when “You’re with US, or you’re with The Terrorists” became popular. And, well, here we are.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:36:48pm
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darthstar  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:36:49pm
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darthstar  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:38:03pm

re: #41 darthstar

Please let me know if my help text for the sightless is specific enough. (Mouse over image)

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makeitstop  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:40:11pm

re: #39 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m gonna express an unpopular opinion:

I’m tired of 9/11.

Despite our brief national unity, it led to rising xenophobia, and rising radicalization of the Right, culminating in Trump, and a GOP that cares about power above all other things. It was when the word “Treason” started being applied to simply disagreeing with the President, and when “You’re with US, or you’re with The Terrorists” became popular. And, well, here we are.

I’m a lot less tired of it now than I was in the first 5 or so years, because I’ve gotten reasonably good at ignoring it.

In the Bush years, I used to refer to it as the ‘Orgy O’Grief’ due to the way that those bastards milked the sentiment of the day. Happily, the propensity of the media to go overboard with it like they used to has subsided somewhat.

That said, the 20th anniversary is coming up.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:40:20pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

But liberals are ‘angry’, ‘unhinged’, etc.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:41:08pm

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:42:06pm

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danarchy  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:42:37pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

It’s not back yet, but the evidence made public so far indicates either impairment or willful ignorance. Neither of which is a helpful element in creating a defense for a cop involved in a shooting.

Apparently she had just gotten off a 15 hour shift so if she was sleep deprived maybe she can blame the department.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:42:38pm

re: #37 lizardofid

One aspect of the killing of Mr. Jean that keeps bugging me is the differing reports on the state of the door to his apartment. The cop in her statement claims it was unlocked, and slightly ajar. Meanwhile, there are reported witnesses that say they heard her knocking, and demanding entrance.

dallasnews.com

This is seeming more and more like the Trayvon Martin shooting, where the shooter claimed things were “dark” and so they acted out of “fear,” but when you start putting the puzzle pieces together things don’t fit. Even without their testimony, the fact that her story went from “door locked, key wouldn’t fit” to “door was unlocked” and now “door unlocked, slightly ajar” in the space between the initial reports and the official affidavit shows a deliberate effort by the DPD to find a story that will work for a jury.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:44:22pm

re: #39 Blind Frog Belly White

Have to say I agree. I will always remember that day, How can I forget? At least MSNBC has stopped replaying their all day coverage of it all day long like they used to. I agree with your other sentiments as well.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:44:40pm
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gwangung  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:45:51pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

This is seeming more and more like the Trayvon Martin shooting, where the shooter claimed things were “dark” and so they acted out of “fear,” but when you start putting the puzzle pieces together things don’t fit. Even without their testimony, the fact that her story went from “door locked, key wouldn’t fit” to “door was unlocked” and now “door unlocked, slightly ajar” in the space between the initial reports and the official affidavit shows a deliberate effort by the DPD to find a story that will work for a jury.

And the rage-inducing thing is that this will probably work….

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:47:25pm

re: #50 gocart mozart

So he attached an old photo to today’s tweet?

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:47:58pm

re: #47 danarchy

Apparently she had just gotten off a 15 hour shift so if she was sleep deprived maybe she can blame the department.

That is my guess, that she’ll claim any errors in judgment were due to exhaustion, that “any reasonable person” so tired would have parked on the wrong floor, would have missed the huge red mat in front of the door, noticed that the door they were trying to open was different, would have missed the absence of barking from their dog, and yet would have been able to put two into the chest of a “silhouette” standing in a dark room.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:48:11pm

re: #52 Sir John Barron

So he attached an old photo to today’s tweet?

well, it sure wasn’t bright and sunny in DC today.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:48:31pm

re: #52 Sir John Barron

So he attached an old photo to today’s tweet?

Probably recycling last year’s picture.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:48:53pm

re: #50 gocart mozart

Laziest White House ever.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:49:33pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

This is seeming more and more like the Trayvon Martin shooting, where the shooter claimed things were “dark” and so they acted out of “fear,” but when you start putting the puzzle pieces together things don’t fit. Even without their testimony, the fact that her story went from “door locked, key wouldn’t fit” to “door was unlocked” and now “door unlocked, slightly ajar” in the space between the initial reports and the official affidavit shows a deliberate effort by the DPD to find a story that will work for a jury.

What i have been unable to find, maybe someone else has, is any reports indicating if the cop expected there would be anyone in her apartment. This might line up with the reports of loud knocking and demanding someone open the door. Maybe the door was locked.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:50:18pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Probably recycling last year’s picture.

So why didn’t they just recycle Obama’s inauguration crowd picture instead of having tRump’s cropped?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:50:20pm

re: #35 makeitstop

Man, I get some weird-ass Trump-themed spam. The latest:

Mail header reads ‘Trump to end the dollar as we know it by March 21, 2018?’

(I know, I know. But…wait!)

The text of the email:

Two different dates (both of which are long gone), spelling errors, blamin (a Republican) Congress for failing…

This was obviously market-tested to push every one of the Red Hat’s buttons.
//

(How the fuck did I get on this list, anyway?)

Relatives stick me on Republican mailing lists and I always send them to the junk folder

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:51:17pm

re: #50 gocart mozart

Holy shit…she is.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:52:06pm

re: #57 lizardofid

What i have been unable to find, maybe someone else has, is any reports indicating if the cop expected there would be anyone in her apartment. This might line up with the reports of loud knocking and demanding someone open the door. Maybe the door was locked.

An ex-bf who might or might not have had a key, and whom she might or might not have wanted to shoot? That’s the kind of thing that will come out.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:52:13pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

That is my guess, that she’ll claim any errors in judgment were due to exhaustion, that “any reasonable person” so tired would have parked on the wrong floor, would have missed the huge red mat in front of the door, noticed that the door they were trying to open was different, would have missed the absence of barking from their dog, and yet would have been able to put two into the chest of a “silhouette” standing in a dark room.

Yep, and that couldn’t fly with a locked door.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:53:35pm

*SPIT*

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:53:57pm

re: #61 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

An ex-bf who might or might not have had a key, and whom she might or might not have wanted to shoot? That’s the kind of thing that will come out.

That, or just a strange black man opened the door, and lost his life.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:54:17pm

re: #57 lizardofid

What i have been unable to find, maybe someone else has, is any reports indicating if the cop expected there would be anyone in her apartment. This might line up with the reports of loud knocking and demanding someone open the door. Maybe the door was locked.

We’re probably never going to know, since she’s decided on her version of events and while his electronic devices have been swept up as part of the “investigation,” she had three days to delete everything before she was officially charged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:54:18pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*SPIT*

video:

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:54:20pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Probably recycling last year’s picture.

“Fake News! It’s this year’s picture!”

“It shows staff members you’ve since fired.”

“No, it doesn’t!”

“Yes, we can see right here.”

“OK, whatever, who cares?”

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makeitstop  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:54:26pm

re: #59 Joe Bacon 🌹

Relatives stick me on Republican mailing lists and I always send them to the junk folder

I read ‘em every once in a while for entertainment. Then into the junk they go.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:55:23pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

video:

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Heckuva job, Trumpie!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:55:28pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

“We did a Great job with the country of Puerto Rico! Everybody says so.”

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:58:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 12:59:47pm

TREMENDOUSLY BIG AND TREMENDOUSLY WET!!!!!

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:00:08pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Run for your lives!” - Denethor

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retired cynic  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:00:29pm

Woodward is really everywhere. Terry Gross is talking with him today on Fresh Air.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:01:12pm

So I decided to google image search “Trump 9/11 picture 2017” and here’s one of the images from a USA Today article dated 9/11/17:

So either the White House staff decided to stand in the exact same spots in the exact same clothes two years in a row. Or these lazy fucks recycled last year’s picture because today’s weather is not sunny enough for a photo-op.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:01:22pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

We’re probably never going to know, since she’s decided on her version of events and while his electronic devices have been swept up as part of the “investigation,” she had three days to delete everything before she was officially charged.

You may be right. I hope not, but yeah. One thing though, D.A Johnson won’t be selling nobody out. I’m fair confident in that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:01:23pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:02:58pm

Another recent find

Haim - Oh Well live at T in the Park 2014

These gals can jam.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:03:48pm

re: #74 retired cynic

Woodward is really everywhere. Terry Gross is talking with him today on Fresh Air.

I hope he can notch up another corrupt President that he helped take down.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:06:00pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

TREMENDOUSLY BIG AND TREMENDOUSLY WET!!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:06:19pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

So I decided to google image search “Trump 9/11 picture 2017” and here’s one of the images from a USA Today article dated 9/11/17:

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So either the White House staff decided to stand in the exact same spots in the exact same clothes two years in a row. Or these lazy fucks recycled last year’s picture because today’s weather is not sunny enough for a photo-op.

double checking our great MAGA president’s pictures just shows how your all Trup derangement Syndrome!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:07:45pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

“Everybody should get out of wherever they’re at and oh by the way did you know that we did the best job ever in response to Puerto Rico everyone says so.”

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gwangung  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:08:00pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

We’re probably never going to know, since she’s decided on her version of events and while his electronic devices have been swept up as part of the “investigation,” she had three days to delete everything before she was officially charged.

Even at that, her version of events keep changing.

Now it’s that she didn’t realize she was in the wrong apartment until the aid units arrived.

Um, hello? You told the ambulance where to go…and you didn’t realize you were in the wrong apartment THEN????

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:10:01pm

re: #82 Sir John Barron

“Everybody should get out of wherever they’re at and oh by the way did you know that we did the best job ever in response to Puerto Rico everyone says so.”

“Everybody in Puerto Rico should have gotten out—it’s their own fault if they didn’t!”

“Puerto Rico is an island.”

“No, it’s not.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:11:19pm

re: #83 gwangung

Even at that, her version of events keep changing.

Now it’s that she didn’t realize she was in the wrong apartment until the aid units arrived.

Um, hello? You told the ambulance where to go…and you didn’t realize you were in the wrong apartment THEN????

The major elements have been set, they’re now working on fine-tuning it. What I personally would like to see is the official report she would have had to fill out immediately after the shooting. Or are we going to be told that (like with Ferguson) that she was given a pass from department policy not to submit one until just before her grand jury testimony when she finally submits one that is totally designed to answer all the inconsistencies the DA has brought up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:13:09pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

The major elements have been set, they’re now working on fine-tuning it. What I personally would like to see is the official report she would have had to fill out immediately after the shooting. Or are we going to be told that (like with Ferguson) that she was given a pass from department policy not to submit one until just before her grand jury testimony when she finally submits one that is totally designed to answer all the inconsistencies the DA has brought up.

They just have to totally clusterfuck all the evidence so that it is impossible to establish anything beyond reasonable doubt.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:13:13pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

The major elements have been set, they’re now working on fine-tuning it. What I personally would like to see is the official report she would have had to fill out immediately after the shooting. Or are we going to be told that (like with Ferguson) that she was given a pass from department policy not to submit one until just before her grand jury testimony when she finally submits one that is totally designed to answer all the inconsistencies the DA has brought up.

This!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:15:02pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

What I’d like to ask the DPD is what would have happened if Jean had obeyed those “lawful orders”? Probably the same thing that’s happening now: The department would have covered for Guyger’s ass by turning over his apartment to look for “contraband” or “evidence of unlawful acts” while she sat in the corner to sober up. Or they would have let him go with an “apology” and then made up excuses for why a cop broke into his apartment in the dead of night.

For all we know, he did and she killed him anyway.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:15:29pm

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just have to totally clusterfuck all the evidence so that it is impossible to establish anything beyond reasonable doubt.

“Were you in your apartment?” “Um, no.”
“Were you responding to a situation?” “Um, no.”

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:16:45pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“It’s tremendously big and tremendously wet,” Trump says

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:18:31pm

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just have to totally clusterfuck all the evidence so that it is impossible to establish anything beyond reasonable doubt.

The aim is to have nothing on paper until they know what evidence the DA is going to bring before a grand jury, at which time they’ll start piecing together a final version of events that leaves enough “doubt” to tie the grand jury’s hands. If they can blunt efforts by the DA to bump up the charge to murder, then they’re already half-way to an acquittal.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:19:33pm

I hate to throw a lot of politics in this, and I hope she keeps them out, but the DA, Faith Johnson, is a Democrat appointed by Abbott who is running for election. And Dallas is heavily Democratic.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:21:16pm

re: #92 Belafon

I hate to throw a lot of politics in this, and I hope she keeps them out, but the DA, Faith Johnson, is a Democrat appointed by Abbott who is running for election. And Dallas is heavily Democratic.

Yep, and she got the conviction on the Balch Springs cop.

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steve_davis  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:21:57pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

The more I read into the Jean case, the more convinced I become that the charge of manslaughter is not just them giving her a wrist-slap, it’s a strategy to lower the bar for the jury to hop over. There reportedly are two witnesses who heard a verbal exchange before the shots, which is probably why she suddenly charged her story from “saw intruder and shot” to “shot intruder after he refused lawful orders.”

If she’d simply shot him, they could spin it as “She feared for her life and took immediate action” and beat a murder charge. She spends a few weeks going through post-shooting therapy and retraining while riding a desk before getting her gun back.

But if she’s yelling “Get on the ground!” and he’s yelling back “This is my apartment!,” there’s enough time for her to realize her mistake and safe her weapon. So now they have to say “Well, it was a total mistake,” hence the massaging of her story to say she didn’t realize she had the wrong apartment until 9/11 asked for her address. But even that story is hard to believe, considering she lived 3 stories above him, their apartments are not going to be furnished in the exact same fashion, and (most importantly) she has a dog that wasn’t making a shitload of noise at this “intruder.” If she wasn’t impaired (which would be a no-no if she was in uniform), then she should have been clearheaded enough to recognize at least one of those facts before she shot him.

Yep. As far as I can tell, no one is buying her story because it’s absolutely outrageous. I mean, two weeks ago, I accidentally hung my magnetic door screen up on the door next to mine in the apartment building because I got so involved in hanging the damned thing that I never looked off to one side and said, “Hey, I’m hanging this on the wrong damned door.” But even if I were armed, if someone on the other side had come through the door, I would have figured out without having to shoot somebody that I was probably doing something wrong.

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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:24:23pm

Now I know how the “drunken sailors” reference came into fruition:

The U.S. Navy, by contrast, is a totally dry organization where alcohol is strictly forbidden on ships, with few exceptions.

The Navy originally served daily rations of rum and then whisky to sailors for more than a hundred years but ended the practice during the Civil War. In 1914 personal alcohol consumption was banned completely. Ships still carry small amounts of alcohol for “medicinal purposes”, to be dispensed to shaken sailors who have had really, really bad days.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:26:17pm
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danarchy  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:26:52pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

. But even that story is hard to believe, considering she lived 3 stories above him, their apartments are not going to be furnished in the exact same fashion, and (most importantly) she has a dog that wasn’t making a shitload of noise at this “intruder.” If she wasn’t impaired (which would be a no-no if she was in uniform), then she should have been clearheaded enough to recognize at least one of those facts before she shot him.

Just a correction, she lived one floor below him. He was in 1478 and she was in 1378.

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steve_davis  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:27:35pm

re: #32 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Where’s apartment lady? She’s out on bail. Probably got confused about what city she was in and started shooting things up when she saw a shadow.

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steve_davis  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:29:12pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

What I’d like to ask the DPD is what would have happened if Jean had obeyed those “lawful orders”? Probably the same thing that’s happening now: The department would have covered for Guyger’s ass by turning over his apartment to look for “contraband” or “evidence of unlawful acts” while she sat in the corner to sober up. Or they would have let him go with an “apology” and then made up excuses for why a cop broke into his apartment in the dead of night.

I’m not a lawyer, but if I were, I would point out the first day of the trial that the officer was in someone else’s apartment without a warrant and without invitation. No order she could have given at that point would be “lawful.”

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steve_davis  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:31:13pm

re: #37 lizardofid

One aspect of the killing of Mr. Jean that keeps bugging me is the differing reports on the state of the door to his apartment. The cop in her statement claims it was unlocked, and slightly ajar. Meanwhile, there are reported witnesses that say they heard her knocking, and demanding entrance.

dallasnews.com

Sorry, I think I probably have four comments in a row on this thread, but this is possible. She COULD have noted that the door was slightly ajar, and thinking that it was her own, she may have been calling “let me in” so that an intruder would come to the door. The problem of course is that by that point, she surely, if sober, would have realized that it isn’t her fucking number on the door she’s standing in front of.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:36:11pm

re: #100 steve_davis

Sorry, I think I probably have four comments in a row on this thread, but this is possible. She COULD have noted that the door was slightly ajar, and thinking that it was her own, she may have been calling “let me in” so that an intruder would come to the door. The problem of course is that by that point, she surely, if sober, would have realized that it isn’t her fucking number on the door she’s standing in front of.

True, but the same witnesses reported loud knocking along with the “let me in”.

Edit: not loud

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:38:12pm

re: #97 danarchy

Just a correction, she lived one floor below him. He was in 1478 and she was in 1378.

Indeed, just found that out a short bit ago.

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gwangung  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:40:28pm

re: #100 steve_davis

Sorry, I think I probably have four comments in a row on this thread, but this is possible. She COULD have noted that the door was slightly ajar, and thinking that it was her own, she may have been calling “let me in” so that an intruder would come to the door. The problem of course is that by that point, she surely, if sober, would have realized that it isn’t her fucking number on the door she’s standing in front of.

Actually, I think she SHOULD have noticed that bright red half circle mat in front of the door of the apartment, and come to the conclusion she wasn’t at her home.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:47:17pm

Dallas, with it’s large minority population, has had to deal with a lot of tension between the citizens and the police. Lots of profiling by police, and then, when the cops and citizens tried to show their support for each other, someone used it as an opportunity to kill police members. And the police targeted the guy who was open carrying for days after.

The DA has a very narrow path to walk with this.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:48:45pm

Super-typhoon Mangkhut has central pressure near 905mb and looks quite impressive from space:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:50:50pm

re: #95 electrotek

Now I know how the “drunken sailors” reference came into fruition:

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6 sailors off Queen ‘Liz were arrested this weekend here in Jacksonville. Public drunkenness and brawling

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:52:24pm

Another Doggo impersonating a teddy bear

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:52:51pm

re: #39 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m gonna express an unpopular opinion:

I’m tired of 9/11.

Despite our brief national unity, it led to rising xenophobia, and rising radicalization of the Right, culminating in Trump, and a GOP that cares about power above all other things. It was when the word “Treason” started being applied to simply disagreeing with the President, and when “You’re with US, or you’re with The Terrorists” became popular. And, well, here we are.

Based on all the updings, perhaps this ISN’T an unpopular opinion….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:54:00pm

sure thing…

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Kragar  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:55:04pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure thing…

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First target, FusionGPS for dealing with British sources…

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b.d.(tremendously big & tremendously wet)  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:59:06pm

re: #95 electrotek

Now I know how the “drunken sailors” reference came into fruition:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 1:59:25pm

While going out to grab lunch, I heard a bit of Terry Gross’s interview with Bob Woodward, author of “Fear”, a new book on the Trump Administration. There was one thing especially that struck me, and on which I’d like to comment:

It’s NUCLEAR!!! NU-CLE-AR!!! NOT “Nukular”!!

There’s no such thing as an atomic NUKULUS, for gods sake!! What the hell? Can’t people READ?!?

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:00:28pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure thing…

Just not governments.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:01:46pm
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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:02:09pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

While going out to grab lunch, I heard a bit of Terry Gross’s interview with Bob Woodward, author of “Fear”, a new book on the Trump Administration. There was one thing especially that struck me, and on which I’d like to comment:

It’s NUCLEAR!!! NU-CLE-AR!!! NOT “Nukular”!!

There’s no such thing as an atomic NUKULUS, for gods sake!! What the hell? Can’t people READ?!?

I think it must be a thing from that era. I had to teach my parents how to say it properly, and I should have won an award teaching my mom. She pronounced pliars as plowers when I was a kid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:02:13pm
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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:02:44pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The next time AF1 is in the air, maybe we can plan a protest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:03:44pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is not how players would prefer to get “on the Jumbotron”.
//

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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:04:18pm

re: #106 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

6 sailors off Queen ‘Liz were arrested this weekend here in Jacksonville. Public drunkenness and brawling

hahahahahahahaha that’s fucking funny

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calochortus  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:05:53pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

Based on all the updings, perhaps this ISN’T an unpopular opinion….

There is a difference between grieving and latching onto one particular event and never getting over it. People die untimely and unnecessary deaths every day all over the world. Their loved ones grieve, sometimes the world deigns to notice.
Our response to 9/11 strikes me as unhealthy.
(I’m not a huge fan of public mourning anyway. I recognize that others feel differently and that’s fine.)

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:06:00pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

While going out to grab lunch, I heard a bit of Terry Gross’s interview with Bob Woodward, author of “Fear”, a new book on the Trump Administration. There was one thing especially that struck me, and on which I’d like to comment:

It’s NUCLEAR!!! NU-CLE-AR!!! NOT “Nukular”!!

There’s no such thing as an atomic NUKULUS, for gods sake!! What the hell? Can’t people READ?!?

IIRC it was Eisenhower who popularized the cringeworthy mispronounciation.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:06:30pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

Based on all the updings, perhaps this ISN’T an unpopular opinion….

I didn’t upding it because you said it was unpopular…

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calochortus  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:07:28pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

While going out to grab lunch, I heard a bit of Terry Gross’s interview with Bob Woodward, author of “Fear”, a new book on the Trump Administration. There was one thing especially that struck me, and on which I’d like to comment:

It’s NUCLEAR!!! NU-CLE-AR!!! NOT “Nukular”!!

There’s no such thing as an atomic NUKULUS, for gods sake!! What the hell? Can’t people READ?!?

Yeah, I was listening too. I’m afraid my opinion of Bob Woodward slipped just a bit over that pronunciation.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:09:31pm

re: #121 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

IIRC it was Eisenhower who popularized the cringeworthy mispronounciation.

I remember it as being LBJ, but I could be wrong….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:09:52pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

The more I read into the Jean case, the more convinced I become that the charge of manslaughter is not just them giving her a wrist-slap, it’s a strategy to lower the bar for the jury to hop over. There reportedly are two witnesses who heard a verbal exchange before the shots, which is probably why she suddenly charged her story from “saw intruder and shot” to “shot intruder after he refused lawful orders.”

If she’d simply shot him, they could spin it as “She feared for her life and took immediate action” and beat a murder charge. She spends a few weeks going through post-shooting therapy and retraining while riding a desk before getting her gun back.

….

She hasn’t been charged with murder probably because there is no evidence to suggest she entered the premises with the intent to kill Botham Jean.
People need to get it through their heads that “murder” is a very specific legal term
Being charged with Murder is why George Zimmerman walked free.

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danarchy  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:10:03pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

While going out to grab lunch, I heard a bit of Terry Gross’s interview with Bob Woodward, author of “Fear”, a new book on the Trump Administration. There was one thing especially that struck me, and on which I’d like to comment:

It’s NUCLEAR!!! NU-CLE-AR!!! NOT “Nukular”!!

There’s no such thing as an atomic NUKULUS, for gods sake!! What the hell? Can’t people READ?!?

I was listening to a podcast a little while back and they were talking about an unsolved series of murders near Galveston Texas and the guy kept pronouncing it Gavelston…it was driving me crazy I almost had to stop listening. I feel ya.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:12:13pm
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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:12:27pm

re: #111 b.d.(secret op-ed writer)

Maybe they could find some Florida Nazis and offer them a nukulus sandwich.

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gwangung  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:12:49pm

re: #125 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

She hasn’t been charged with murder probably because there is no evidence to suggest she entered the premises with the intent to kill Botham Jean.

I am not certain that the Dallas definition of “murder” excludes this situation. The officer most certainly intended to shoot (and to kill) when she pulled the trigger. The trigger was not pulled by mistake or through carelessness.

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ipsos  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:15:00pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Womp.

(He’s not even worth a second “womp.”)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:15:38pm

re: #126 danarchy

I was listening to a podcast a little while back and they were talking about an unsolved series of murders near Galveston Texas and the guy kept pronouncing it Gavelston…it was driving me crazy I almost had to stop listening. I feel ya.

There was once a four-part special on dinosaurs that I had to stop watching after five minutes because the narrator (Barbara Feldon, whom I otherwise love) wouldn’t stop saying “dinah-saaars”.

Unfortunately this New England Dialect replacement of “ɔ” with “ɑ” has now spread nationwide.

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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:17:38pm

re: #129 gwangung

I am not certain that the Dallas definition of “murder” excludes this situation. The officer most certainly intended to shoot (and to kill) when she pulled the trigger. The trigger was not pulled by mistake or through carelessness.

Murder, typically, requires premeditation. Manslaughter requires “heat of passion”. I’m not sure what Texas law is on premeditation, but from the facts we’ve heard thus far, manslaughter (a) seems like the correct charge; and (b) would be easier to prove.

That said, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a criminal law attorney. My practice always stuck to the civil side.

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makeitstop  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:18:53pm

re: #78 Sir John Barron

Another recent find

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These gals can jam.

They’re real good! The bass player (Este) caught a lot of noise for her ‘bass faces,’ but there’s no arguing with her chops.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:19:14pm

re: #125 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

She hasn’t been charged with murder probably because there is no evidence to suggest she entered the premises with the intent to kill Botham Jean.
People need to get it through their heads that “murder” is a very specific legal term
Being charged with Murder is why George Zimmerman walked free.

George Zimmerman stalked and hunted down Trayvon Martin like an animal with the intent to kill him. How is that not first-degree murder?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:22:06pm

so full of shite

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:23:22pm

re: #134 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

George Zimmerman stalked and hunted down Trayvon Martin like an animal with the intent to kill him. How is that not first-degree murder?

It should have been. But I think the point is that first degree murder is a very high bar to clear. The implication to me is that we should also watch out for a DA that tries to charge someone with first degree murder.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:23:40pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Murder, typically, requires premeditation. Manslaughter requires “heat of passion”. I’m not sure what Texas law is on premeditation, but from the facts we’ve heard thus far, manslaughter (a) seems like the correct charge; and (b) would be easier to prove.

That said, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a criminal law attorney. My practice always stuck to the civil side.

We’d have to look at Texas’s statutes, but there are typically levels of murder, and they don’t all require “premeditation”. Premeditation is often the differentiator for when something becomes a capital offense.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:24:22pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

so full of shite

The word white is implied between the fourth and fifth words.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:24:23pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:24:26pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Murder, typically, requires premeditation. Manslaughter requires “heat of passion”. I’m not sure what Texas law is on premeditation, but from the facts we’ve heard thus far, manslaughter (a) seems like the correct charge; and (b) would be easier to prove.

That said, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a criminal law attorney. My practice always stuck to the civil side.

First-degree murder requires premeditation. Second-degree does not, just “malice aforethought.” The former requires evidence that the act was planned, the latter only requires that the perpetrator acted with an intent to kill or seriously injure the victim. Which is probably why she leans so heavily on the “I thought he was a burglar” excuse, because then her attorney can argue that it was not a willful act to kill but a voluntary act of “self-defense.”

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:25:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:25:47pm

Isaac is a tropical storm, but still nothing to sneeze at:

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gwangung  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:25:49pm

re: #137 Mike Lamb

We’d have to look at Texas’s statutes, but there are typically levels of murder, and they don’t all require “premeditation”. Premeditation is often the differentiator for when something becomes a capital offense.

Yes, that was what I was thinking of. There’s a difference between first and second degree murder in every state I know; and I don’t know enough to think we can rule out this situation from second degree murder.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:26:22pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There was once a four-part special on dinosaurs that I had to stop watching after five minutes because the narrator (Barbara Feldon, whom I otherwise love) wouldn’t stop saying “dinah-saaars”.

Unfortunately this New England Dialect replacement of “ɔ” with “ɑ” has now spread nationwide.

My favorite pronunciation of dinosaur is Richard Attenborough in Jurassic Park!

Edit: On second thought, maybe it was the talking DNA ; )

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:29:47pm
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Mattand  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:29:50pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There was once a four-part special on dinosaurs that I had to stop watching after five minutes because the narrator (Barbara Feldon, whom I otherwise love) wouldn’t stop saying “dinah-saaars”.

Unfortunately this New England Dialect replacement of “ɔ” with “ɑ” has now spread nationwide.

It’s spelled “dinosaur”, but I pronounce it as “Throatwarbler Mangrove”.

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:32:26pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:33:01pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

While going out to grab lunch, I heard a bit of Terry Gross’s interview with Bob Woodward, author of “Fear”, a new book on the Trump Administration. There was one thing especially that struck me, and on which I’d like to comment:

It’s NUCLEAR!!! NU-CLE-AR!!! NOT “Nukular”!!

There’s no such thing as an atomic NUKULUS, for gods sake!! What the hell? Can’t people READ?!?

It’s a regional variation, even nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter said it that way. Words are not always pronounced as they’re spelled, “wednesday” for example.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:34:13pm

he is such a moron

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:34:34pm

re: #147 nines09

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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:35:11pm

re: #67 Sir John Barron

“Fake News! It’s this year’s picture!”

“It shows staff members you’ve since fired.”

“No, it doesn’t!”

“Yes, we can see right here.”

“OK, whatever, who cares?”

“I look good in it so that’s why I used it. Everybody else is just a prop for me anyway.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:36:31pm

re: #147 nines09

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They keep playing up the economy, but his numbers continue to drag along the ocean floor.

You ever consider it’s because your boss has the popularity of syphilis?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:36:41pm

re: #151 Skip Intro

“I look good in it so that’s why I used it. Everybody else is just a prop for me anyway.”

They could have put in a little effort and photoshopped more Trumps over the staffers who have departed.

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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:37:21pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure thing…

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So when the GOP loses YUUGELY all hell is going to break loose because of all that meddling to help the Dems.

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calochortus  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:38:10pm

re: #148 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a regional variation, even nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter said it that way. Words are not always pronounced as they’re spelled, “wednesday” for example.

You don’t say Wotan’s Day like everyone else?
/

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:39:07pm

re: #155 calochortus

You don’t say Wotan’s Day like everyone else?
/

It’s just Thor’s day eve to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:39:24pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:41:13pm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:41:15pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Murder, typically, requires premeditation. Manslaughter requires “heat of passion”. I’m not sure what Texas law is on premeditation, but from the facts we’ve heard thus far, manslaughter (a) seems like the correct charge; and (b) would be easier to prove.

That said, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a criminal law attorney. My practice always stuck to the civil side.

Chapter 19 of the Texas Penal Code
To all suggesting it, thee does not appear to be such a thing as ‘Second Degree Murder” in Texas. There’s Murder, Capital Murder, Manslaughter, and Criminally Negligent Homicide

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:42:56pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

so full of shite

“Well, my absolute highest priority is not being impeached or indicted. Then my next highest priority is getting re-elected. Then my next highest priority is getting 50% approval rating. Then my next highest priority is killing CNN and Jeff Bezos Wash Post. Where was I?”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:45:59pm

re: #159 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Chapter 19 of the Texas Penal Code.
To all suggesting it, thee does not appear to be such a thing as ‘Second Degree Murder” in Texas. There’s Murder, Capital Murder, Manslaughter, and Criminally Negligent Homicide

Also of bearing in the killing Texas Penal Code Chapter 6 - Culpability Generally

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:46:45pm

You will have to forgive me.
I thought Trump was describing his bed when he woke up.
My bad.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:49:20pm

re: #25 lizardofid

I’m waiting to see if there was some problem as yet undiscovered between them… Dunno something else going on or one hell of a high level inebriation going.

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Mattand  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:49:36pm

re: #159 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Chapter 19 of the Texas Penal Code.
To all suggesting it, thee does not appear to be such a thing as ‘Second Degree Murder” in Texas. There’s Murder, Capital Murder, Manslaughter, and Criminally Negligent Homicide

Honestly, shooting someone to death because you don’t know where your own fucking apartment is should be criminally negligent homicide.

I’m convinced this cop was impaired; high, drunk, too many Flintstone chewables. Take your pick. It would not surprise me that this was covered up immediately at the scene.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:50:18pm

re: #162 nines09

You will have to forgive me.
I thought Trump was describing his bed when he woke up.
My bad.

It’s gonna be the Biggest, best Hurricane ever, better than any of Obama’s.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:50:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:56:15pm
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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:58:26pm

re: #163 Unshaken Defiance

I’m waiting to see if there was some problem as yet undiscovered between them… Dunno something else going on or one hell of a high level inebriation going.

Could be, but from what I’ve seen following local coverage, it seems like totally different orbits. But, I shouldn’t assume. On the inebriation, I’m anxious to get the blood back.

I don’t know what justice looks like in this case. But I want it for this family. Badly.

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2018 • 2:59:28pm

re: #148 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a regional variation, even nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter said it that way. Words are not always pronounced as they’re spelled, “wednesday” for example.

Leicester Square
Featherstonhaugh
Siobhan

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:00:12pm

re: #165 Sir John Barron

Oh his is much bigger and better.
3000 or so dead Puerto Ricans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:01:34pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:03:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:05:38pm

how big is Florence? Four Ohios:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:05:57pm

North and South Carolina are about to get Puerto Rico’d.

Seriously. Don’t expect a more organized response because a lot of these are red states.

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gwangung  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:07:01pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

North and South Carolina are about to get Puerto Rico’d.

Seriously. Don’t expect a more organized response because a lot of these are red states.

Really? Lots of white people in those states. I expect a somewhat more energetic response.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:07:39pm

BABIES!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:07:44pm

re: #175 gwangung

Really? Lots of white people in those states. I expect a somewhat more energetic response.

With this clusterfuck of a government?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:08:37pm

it’s probably deadly…

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:10:01pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

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for the Grand Strand

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gwangung  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:10:50pm

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

With this clusterfuck of a government?

At least they’ll give an appearance of effort, unlike Puerto Rico.

(I didn’t say anything about effectiveness….)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:12:23pm

re: #172 Patricia Kayden

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One has dedicated their career to public service, the other has dedicated their career to serving themselves. I don’t need to tell you who is who.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:12:51pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It makes me sick that Johnstown loves him.

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Citizen K  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:13:02pm

Because fuck everything.

And a choice reply down below:

They see her the same way they see nearly all black people apparently: psychotic hair-trigger savages they need to be protected from lest the superhuman hulking monsters come after them personally.

Fuck that all.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:13:20pm

re: #179 BeachDem

for the Grand Strand

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Considering the current forecasts, “preparing for the worst” around here seems to mean grabbing a lot of beer and liquor and planning hurricane parties.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:13:33pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

I didn’t upding it because you said it was unpopular…

And you believed me?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:14:25pm

re: #183 Citizen K

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They see her the same way they see nearly all black people apparently: psychotic hair-trigger savages they need to be protected from lest the superhuman hulking monsters come after them personally.

Fuck that all.

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If she were a male especially a white one, she’d be lauded for her passion and intensity. And that stupid cartoon was racist af.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:14:39pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:15:07pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

North and South Carolina are about to get Puerto Rico’d.

Seriously. Don’t expect a more organized response because a lot of these are red states.

re: #175 gwangung

Really? Lots of white people in those states. I expect a somewhat more energetic response.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:15:09pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:16:30pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:18:24pm

re: #148 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a regional variation, even nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter said it that way. Words are not always pronounced as they’re spelled, “wednesday” for example.

For a year, back in 1981, my best friend was a Scottish post doc. Ever since then I pronounce it ‘Weddensday’.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:18:40pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

For a year, back in 1981, my best friend was a Scottish post doc. Ever since then I pronounce it ‘Weddensday’.

But I’m pretentious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:19:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:20:13pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:20:52pm

re: #158 GlutenFreeJesus

Honestly, it’s the face and gestures I make when I’m ripping an especially big fart, and I’m going for humorous effect.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:21:51pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s Forrest Gump except he’s a scumbag.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:22:57pm

Kavanaugh is the partisan in the judiciary Republicans warned us about, they just neglected to mention they’d be nominating him.

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:23:13pm

re: #187 jaunte

“Mr. President? Puerto Rico has been on hold for ever………………..”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:23:29pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Kavanaugh is the partisan in the judiciary Republicans warned us about, they just neglected to mention they’d be nominating him.

They always project.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:23:57pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

‘Tyrants in black robes’ was always projection.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:25:28pm

re: #199 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They always project.

Seriously. I’m waiting for them to nominate someone who thinks Shariah Law is a good idea just to see the reaction.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:26:12pm

re: #200 jaunte

‘Tyrants in black robes’ was always projection.

Definitely. Man Kavanaugh actually has me missing Scalia. Yeah he was an asshole but he actually had some independence in his views. Kavanaugh ain’t nothing but a GOP stooge.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:27:59pm

re: #183 Citizen K

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:34:33pm

The moron liar in chief thinks we can solve the debt by printing more money. Pretty sure I learned how that shit didn’t work when I was about 10.

JFC

We have people who are coddling someone, one of the most powerful people on the planet, who doesn’t even have the common knowledge of an elementary school kid.

Imagine working for that piece of shit. Imagine supporting him in any way.

No wonder this shit is affecting my health. It’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

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Cheechako  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:36:49pm

re: #187 jaunte

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This photo needs to be photo-shopped with a half dozen rolls of paper towels on the desk.

Anyone?

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Mike Lamb  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:37:17pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Durbin could be more aggressive here: Kavanaugh lied. Dude is a hardcore political operative being elevated to the highest court in the land.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:39:33pm

re: #204 plansbandc

The moron liar in chief thinks we can solve the debt by printing more money. Pretty sure I learned how that shit didn’t work when I was about 10.

JFC

We have people who are coddling someone, one of the most powerful people on the planet, who doesn’t even have the common knowledge of an elementary school kid.

Imagine working for that piece of shit. Imagine supporting him in any way.

No wonder this shit is affecting my health. It’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

It’s also something that Conservatives would never accept, because out of control deflation also hurts the wealthy.

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:40:08pm

re: #183 Citizen K

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They see her the same way they see nearly all black people apparently: psychotic hair-trigger savages they need to be protected from lest the superhuman hulking monsters come after them personally.

Fuck that all.

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And, didn’t she threaten to ruin the chair umpires career during the rant?

But when Nadal said exactly the same thing to Ramos last year, no biggie.

Rafael Nadal lambasted chair umpire Carlos Ramos at his pre-quarter-final match against Roberto Bautista Agut at the French Open yesterday, saying he would “never chair another of his matches again.”

He confirmed that he had done so in the post-match press conference.

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:43:02pm

re: #187 jaunte

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Plus, why would they waste time and money printing out those stupid graphics, when the fucking storm changes continually. (Not that the moron could figure out what they mean anyway—“big and wet” is about as detailed as he gets.)

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:46:46pm

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

And you believed me?

I have to, you’re a scientist.

/??

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:49:17pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

I have to, you’re a scientist.

/??

Damn straight.

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:08:55pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

BABIES!!!

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Are you sure those are real animals? They look like Disneyland animatronics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:12:06pm

re: #212 sagehen

Are you sure those are real animals? They look like Disneyland animatronics.

red pandas are the cutest things

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wheat-dogg  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:48:52pm

re: #35 makeitstop

There was some rumor going around that Trump was going to put the USA back on the gold standard.


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