Mother Jones Catches GOP Congressmen Dana Rohrabacher and Matt Gaetz Hanging Out With Holocaust Denier Chuck C. Johnson AGAIN

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Chuck C. Johnson and Rep. Dana Rohrabacher pose in front of the Ecuadoran embassy in London. (Source: Facebook)

In the Trump era, Republican politicians no longer have any compunctions about associating with the absolute dregs of the political landscape. Today’s case in point, from David Corn at Mother Jones: Two Republican Congressmen Hobnob With an Alleged Holocaust Denier. Again.

(LGF’s coverage of Chuck C. Johnson’s noxious career is featured prominently.)

A Republican congressman who earlier this year got into trouble for hobnobbing with an accused Holocaust denier held a small fundraiser this summer, and the attendees included, yes, the very same alleged Holocaust denier. Also at the event was another GOP congressman who, too, had previously been criticized for associating with this fellow. 

In January, Rep. Matt Gaetz, a conservative Republican firebrand from Florida, invited right-wing troll Charles C. Johnson to President Donald Trump’s State of the Union speech. Johnson, a notorious social media figure accused of being a white nationalist, had been permanently banned from Twitter for declaring that he wanted to “take out” a leader of Black Lives Matter. And in early 2017, Johnson had come under fire for denying the Holocaust. During an “Ask Me Anything” session on Reddit’s alt-right section, Johnson had been queried, “what are your thoughts on the Holocaust, WW2, and the JQ in general?” (“JQ” is neo-Nazi shorthand for the Jewish Question.) Johnson replied, “I do not and never have believed the six million figure. I think the Red Cross numbers of 250,000 dead in the camps from typhus are more realistic. I think the Allied bombing of Germany was a ware [sic] crime. I agree…about Auschwitz and the gas chambers not being real.”

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Eventually, the controversy over Johnson attending the State of the Union passed. But two months ago, Gaetz and Johnson were together again—this time on a yacht in Newport Beach, California. The occasion was a July 20 fundraiser for Gaetz’s reelection campaign. According to people familiar with the event, Johnson was among the group on the boat. And Rohrabacher was there, too. The event was being held in Rohrabacher’s district, and Rohrabacher spoke on behalf of Gaetz.

Referring to Johnson’s presence at the event, Jason Pitkin, Rohrabacher’s campaign finance director, who attended the fundraiser, tells Mother Jones, “I don’t remember who invited him there.” Asked whether Johnson had come at the invitation of Gaetz, Kip Talley, the chief of staff for Gaetz’s reelection campaign, replied in an email, “It was a private event and you’re welcome to check the FEC reports to see who donated. Thanks for reaching out.” 

Johnson declined multiple requests for comment.

My only nit to pick with this article is that we can drop “alleged” from the “Holocaust denier” description, since Johnson (who is NOT ME) made these comments publicly, more than once.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:37:23am

Imagine if 9/11 happened on Trump’s watch, though really that’s what this death toll means - a 9/11s-worth of Americans died.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:38:26am

Look at this Son Of A Bitch hurricane disrespecting Teh Militarys & Teh Flag!!!!!!!

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:41:48am

Jeb Bush’s former Deputy Chief of Staff mines no words.

Trump’s going to regret that tweet. As he should, the heartless son of a bitch.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:44:47am

re: #3 makeitstop

Jeb Bush’s former Deputy Chief of Staff mines no words.

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Trump’s going to regret that tweet. As he should, the heartless son of a bitch.

Brave of you to believe Trump is capable of things like “regret”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:45:41am

So, now Republicans are even projecting projection onto Democrats.

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ipsos  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:46:41am

re: #3 makeitstop

Jeb Bush’s former Deputy Chief of Staff mines no words.

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Trump’s going to regret that tweet. As he should, the heartless son of a bitch.

Is there any evidence he’s ever regretted ANYTHING?

I’ll say this: for months and months and months now, I’ve been watching him make an ass of himself on Twitter without ever really being surprised. All his paranoia and disconnection from reality and self-aggrandizement - we knew all that about him, at least if we’d read David Cay Johnston’s stuff or had followed the NYC tabloids or watched Rachel regularly.

His “no, 3000 people didn’t really die” thing this morning? That was new, even for him.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:46:58am

re: #1 Blind Frog Belly White

3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000…

Imagine if 9/11 happened on Trump’s watch, though really that’s what this death toll means - a 9/11s-worth of Americans died.

this whole line of argument is moronic hair splitting and rhetorical word play

i havent read the report. i am guessing that it does not say that 3000 puerto ricans died “in” the hurricanes

they died as a result of the poor response by the federal government (a-plus my ass) after the hurricane. proxmiate cause, though ianal

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:47:27am

I think my internet is broken

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:48:34am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I think my internet is broken

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Trump found a hill Republicans won’t die on for him.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:48:51am

re: #3 makeitstop

Jeb Bush’s former Deputy Chief of Staff mines no words.

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Trump’s going to regret that tweet. As he should, the heartless son of a bitch.

i think that’s something he’s not capable of. and yes, he should

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:49:33am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I think my internet is broken

The simulation has proven it doesn’t exist.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:50:08am

re: #3 makeitstop

Jeb Bush’s former Deputy Chief of Staff mines no words.

Trump’s going to regret that tweet. As he should, the heartless son of a bitch.

The double-downs are going to be awesome.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:51:15am

re: #9 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump found a hill Republicans won’t die on for him.

all they are saying is shut the hell up. you’re making us look bad
it wont move the needle all
no one will change any behavior or a vote or….nothing

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:51:17am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I think my internet is broken

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What do you know, he’s not a total douche. He’ll still bitch about Dems bringing it up tho.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:51:20am

The flag is shredding rapidly.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:52:26am

I want to say this is Trump’s a bridge too far moment but I know next week the few Republicans that condemned this will be back to praising him and attacking his opponents.

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:52:55am

Mind you, I’m with all of you who doubt Trump will regret that tweet personally.

But it will have consequences that will affect him and his party. The Red Hats might like it, but people with any measure of empathy are going to be repulsed.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:53:04am

re: #13 dangerman

all they are saying is shut the hell up. you’re making us look bad
it wont move the needle all
no one will change any behavior or a vote or….nothing

No one has the balls to stand up to him in his own party.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:53:33am

re: #17 makeitstop

Mind you, I’m with all of you who doubt Trump will regret that tweet personally.

But it will have consequences that will affect him and his party. The Red Hats might like it, but people with any measure of empathy are going to be repulsed.

Bring on the blue wave.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:54:22am

The right wing media are already defending Trump’s tweet about Puerto Rico.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:54:50am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

What do you know, he’s not a total douche. He’ll still bitch about Dems bringing it up tho.

Nah, he’s still a total douche bag:

“Trump’s denial of the official death toll from Hurricane Maria is absurd and gross, even though there is uncertainty in the death count,” Shapiro tweeted.

The Daily Wire editor-in-chief shared a link to an article in which he noted there are multiple estimates of how many people died as a result of Hurricane Maria, but disputed Trump’s assertion that the original tally of a few dozen deaths was more accurate.

“The official Puerto Rican count isn’t guaranteed, by any measure. But it’s surely higher than the original count, and it’s absurd for Trump to claim otherwise,” Shapiro wrote.

And in his “criticism” of Trump there’s a whole lot of “blame the locals” and “we can’t really be sure” and “how do you even count indirect deaths” and all the typical bullshit you’d expect from Ben.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:55:06am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I want to say this is Trump’s a bridge too far moment but I know next week the few Republicans that condemned this will be back to praising him and attacking his opponents.

However, IF the election is a bloodbath and the GOP loses both houses, you will find a lot more Republicans willing to criticize him.

If, however, they DON’T lose the House, we’re well and truly fucked, and the degree of sycophancy we see now will look like nothing by comparison to how they’ll fellate him.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:55:23am
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Amory Blaine  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:56:36am

re: #15 Single-handed sailor

YOU HAVETOO SHOOT THE StoRm !!!111!!YTY

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 11:58:48am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:01:20pm

re: #3 makeitstop

Jeb Bush’s former Deputy Chief of Staff mines no words.

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Trump’s going to regret that tweet. As he should, the heartless son of a bitch.

Alan Levine is still excusing Trump’s actual behavior after the hurricane struck. He is pretending that Trump had nothing to do with the elevated count. Certainly, it is possible that given the destruction of the hurricane and the inadequate infrastructure, there still would have been many deaths, but there is no evidence that Trump actually cared about Puerto Rico or made any efforts to improve the response to this catastrophe.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:02:05pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

The right wing media are already defending Trump’s tweet about Puerto Rico.

Of course they are.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:03:07pm
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freetoken  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:12:49pm

re: #15 Single-handed sailor

Yeah, I was going to post that too…

Florence’s northerly progression has really slowed. On radar it looks like the center is now creeping westward.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:17:28pm

re: #21 KGxvi

Nah, he’s still a total douche bag:

And in his “criticism” of Trump there’s a whole lot of “blame the locals” and “we can’t really be sure” and “how do you even count indirect deaths” and all the typical bullshit you’d expect from Ben.

Shows me to give that raging dbag any credit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:17:55pm

re: #15 Single-handed sailor

The flag is shredding rapidly.

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Quite the metaphor for our nation isn’t it?

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:18:48pm

re: #21 KGxvi

Nah, he’s still a total douche bag:

And in his “criticism” of Trump there’s a whole lot of “blame the locals” and “we can’t really be sure” and “how do you even count indirect deaths” and all the typical bullshit you’d expect from Ben.

you either read the damn report ben or you do like i did above and say “i didnt read it” and dont have any idea what it actually says

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:18:49pm

Also, anyone else in agreement that Jack Posobiec has a really punchable face?

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:19:00pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:21:06pm

Must be all the sinners in the Carolinas.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:22:19pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Must be all the sinners in the Carolinas.

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Using Pat’s logic, God is rewarding Va for voting for Clinton.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:22:45pm
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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:23:20pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Alan Levine is still excusing Trump’s actual behavior after the hurricane struck. He is pretending that Trump had nothing to do with the elevated count. Certainly, it is possible that given the destruction of the hurricane and the inadequate infrastructure, there still would have been many deaths, but there is no evidence that Trump actually cared about Puerto Rico or made any efforts to improve the response to this catastrophe.

Residents see a failure at all levels of government: via political-wire.com

A new Washington Post-KFF poll found that nearly one year after Hurricane Maria, many Puerto Ricans are still struggling with basic necessities.

The survey found that a full 83% of residents said they have suffered either major property damage, long-term loss of electricity, employment setbacks or worsening health problems.

Key takeaways: 93% of residents said their roads and highways remain dangerous and 50% said their households lacked an adequate supply of drinking water.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:25:18pm

re: #32 dangerman

you either read the damn report ben or you do like i did above and say “i didnt read it” and dont have any idea what it actually says

but it has big words and complex ideas and it hurts my head when i have to consider something beyond “the libs are lying lairs with their pants on fire”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:27:00pm

re: #37 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Definitely

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:27:34pm

Via Balloon Juice. I hadn’t been paying much attention to Les Moonves, but it sounds like he went on a Trump level of purging of women from CBS. This Linda Bloodworth Thomason, creator of Designing Women:

I was never sexually harassed or attacked by Les Moonves. My encounters were much more subtle, engendering a different kind of destruction…

During that period, because my contract was so valuable, I continued trying to win over Moonves. And he continued turning down every pilot I wrote. Often, if he would catch me in the parking lot, he would make sure to tell me that my script was one of the best he’d read but that he had decided, in the end, not to do it. It always seemed that he enjoyed telling me this. Just enough to keep me in the game. I was told he refused to give my scripts to any of the stars he had under contract. Then, I began to hear from female CBS employees about his mercurial, misogynist behavior, with actresses being ushered in and out of his office. His mantra, I was told, was, “Why would I wanna cast ‘em if I don’t wanna fuck ‘em?”

People asked me for years, “Where have you been? What happened to you?” Les Moonves happened to me.

Somewhere in the middle of all this, I was walking the halls one day in the original CBS building. In spite of no longer having gainful employment, I still felt proud that I had been allowed to make a creative contribution to the network I had grown up with — starting with Lucy and Ethel, who had electrified me and inspired me to write comedy. I never dreamed that I would become the first woman, along with my then-writing partner, Mary Kay Place, to write for M*A*S*H. I took pride in being part of a network that always seemed to be rife with crazy, interesting, brash women, from Mary Tyler Moore and Rhoda, to Maude, to Murphy Brown, to the Designing Women. Many of these female characters paved the way for women to be single, to pursue careers and equal pay and to lead rich, romantic lives with reproductive rights.

As I walked, I noticed that the portraits of all these iconic women were no longer adorning the walls. I don’t know why and I didn’t ask. I just know that the likes of them have rarely been seen on that network again. Thanks to Les Moonves, I can only guess they all became vaginal swabs in crime labs on CSI Amarillo…

And as for you, Mr. Moonves, in spite of the fact that I was raised to be a proper Southern female, and with your acknowledgement that I have never, in my life, spoken a single cross word to you, despite the way you treated me, may I simply say, channeling my finest Julia Sugarbaker delivery: “Go fuck yourself!”

Edited the name

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:30:48pm

ha

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:31:05pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Must be all the sinners in the Carolinas.

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Greedy old creep is still greedy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:31:49pm

re: #41 Belafon

Via Balloon Juice. I hadn’t been paying much attention to Lester Moonves, but it sounds like he went on a Trump level of purging of women from CBS. This Linda Bloodworth Thomason, creator of Designing Women:

Given the rampant level of misogyny at the highest levels in this country— even before Trump gave voice to these attitudes — it’s surprising that Clinton did as well as she did in the general election.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:32:07pm

re: #42 Single-handed sailor

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ha

Lol. I had no idea and I then remembered he’s the frozen food heir baby who talks about elites in a network owned by an old Aussie billionaire

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:32:28pm

re: #39 KGxvi

but it has big words and complex ideas and it hurts my head when i have to consider something beyond “the libs are lying lairs with their pants on fire”

ben, i understand.
if it’s over your head, then shoo.
you’re not contributing anything.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:32:55pm

re: #44 Hecuba’s daughter

Given the rampant level of misogyny at the highest levels in this country— even before Trump gave voice to these attitudes — it’s surprising that Clinton did as well as she did in the general election.

I have to admit as a man, I had no idea how rampant it was before Clinton v Sanders and later against Trump.

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:33:31pm

Senators have been getting away with lying about “not seeing” Trump’s communications for too long.

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freetoken  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:34:40pm

The tide gauge at the north end of the bight:

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:35:01pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, anyone else in agreement that Jack Posobiec has a really punchable face?

There’s another Jack who has more influence and deserves it even more — the Dorsey Jack.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:35:31pm

From the previous thread:

re: #241 sagehen

“Bombing the storm” is an idea he got from Sharknado.

Actually, that was a programme of the US government in the Sixties through the Eighties. It was thought that dropping mass quantities in the eyes of hurricanes would reduce their intensity (by creating supercooled water in the eye, reducing its temperature and causing the eyewall to collapse).

As we understood hurricanes better, we learned eyewall replacement cycles are natural.

Like much of what Trump wants (coal, &c) he wants to go back to debunked or harmful things in the past.

Project Stormfury (goes to Wikipedia)

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:36:09pm

re: #41 Belafon

Via Balloon Juice. I hadn’t been paying much attention to Lester Moonves, but it sounds like he went on a Trump level of purging of women from CBS. This Linda Bloodworth Thomason, creator of Designing Women:

I believe his full first name is Leslie. A bastard by any name.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:38:09pm

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

There’s another Jack who has more influence and deserves it even more — the Dorsey Jack.

Son of a bitch. Dorsey was the one I meant. I always get those two dicks mixed up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:38:53pm

From the last thread on James Woods:

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Thanks AM. Didn’t know.

He could also produce a membership card. That wouldn’t support his claim he has a 180 IQ, but it would support a claim he is or was a member of Mensa (even if the card is expired).

Like organisations such as the AARP, Mensa also partners with businesses for certain discounts on presentation of a membership card.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:38:57pm

re: #48 jaunte

saw a reporter today carrying Trump tweets printed out on a piece of paper as a way to get senators to comment on them, which is (sadly) probably something we all should be doing

Senators have been getting away with lying about “not seeing” Trump’s communications for too long.

as an aside, my mom has been using email for 15 years easy
when she receives an email she wants me to see, say from a family member, she prints it out and either drives it over here (6 miles) or waits till i stop in to visit (4-5 times a week)
she does ‘reply’ just fine
she doesn’t do ‘forward’

(and many of those i’ve been cc’d on)
moms…..

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:40:09pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹

I think if James Woods had a 180 IQ his tweets would be a LOT smarter.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:40:52pm

re: #15 Single-handed sailor

The flag is shredding rapidly.

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Here’s the Frying Pan Ocean cam streaming live. For now.

Warning. Turn volume way down before tuning in.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:42:59pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:43:22pm

re: #48 jaunte

Senators have been getting away with lying about “not seeing” Trump’s communications for too long.

Member of Congress to reporters:
“Well are you sure these are from POTUS’s verified account, there are so many parodies you know.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:43:51pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He’s one needy motherfucker.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:43:54pm

re: #52 makeitstop

I believe his full first name is Leslie. A bastard by any name.

a great old joke by andy rooney back from 60 minutes days

he was doing his 2 minutes on morley safer and he said:
“what kind of a name is morley anyway? is it the opposite of leslie?”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:44:02pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The man is so desperate for praise that he has to implode soon.

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Interesting Times  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:44:20pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Quite the metaphor for our nation isn’t it?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:45:30pm
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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:45:53pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

How Trump MIS-quotes TV: Freeman, on Fox & Friends, said, “The president has faithfully followed the agenda he campaigned on in 2016. I don’t personally like all of it, but…” Trump erased the line with the hint of criticism, then attached another praise line from 2 minutes later.

these people do not get it

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:48:14pm

re: #64 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It could be staffers removing the criticism of Trump because they know that they have to feed him praise to stop him from throwing a tantrum.

it could be but that is not the quote.
it is in quotation marks
and there is/are no ellipsis

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:48:42pm

re: #52 makeitstop

I believe his full first name is Leslie. A bastard by any name.

Thanks. I meant to type just Les but kept typing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:49:45pm

Another Frying Pan cam with no sound, but a view of the clouds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:49:58pm

re: #67 Belafon

Thanks. I meant to type just Les but kept typing.

Or, you meant to type less….

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:50:10pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Daniel Dale

@ddale8
How Trump quotes TV: Freeman, on Fox & Friends, said, “The president has faithfully followed the agenda he campaigned on in 2016. I don’t personally like all of it, but…” Trump erased the line with the hint of criticism, then attached another praise line from 2 minutes later.

2:37 PM - Sep 13, 2018
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86 people are talking about this

He also campaigned on preserving Social Security and Medicare and reducing the deficit. Trump is selective on which agenda he follows — and so is the WSJ in making that assertion.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:52:07pm

re: #5 Blind Frog Belly White

So, now Republicans are even projecting projection onto Democrats.

Next from Son of Erick: Why do Google, Nike and all companies hate conservatives?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:52:29pm

re: #71 Sir John Barron

Next from Son of Erick: Why do Google, Nike and all companies hate conservatives?

Why am I persecuted.//

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Sir John Barron  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:52:56pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Why am I persecuted.//

“Why is no one paying attention to my grievances?”

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EPR-radar  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:53:09pm

re: #22 Blind Frog Belly White

However, IF the election is a bloodbath and the GOP loses both houses, you will find a lot more Republicans willing to criticize him.

If, however, they DON’T lose the House, we’re well and truly fucked, and the degree of sycophancy we see now will look like nothing by comparison to how they’ll fellate him.

Realistically, Trump is president for life if the Democrats don’t at least get the House in 2018.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:54:09pm

re: #70 Hecuba’s daughter

He also campaigned on preserving Social Security and Medicare and reducing the deficit. Trump is selective on which agenda he follows — and so is the WSJ in making that assertion.

Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:54:21pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:57:07pm
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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:57:10pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:58:20pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Why am I persecuted.//

“Why are there so many women on TV? Political Correctness is killing this country.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:58:52pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

The right wing media are already defending Trump’s tweet about Puerto Rico.

Trump could show up and personally shoot 3,000 Puerto Ricans down in cold blood and the Right would defend him for it.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 13, 2018 • 12:59:30pm

re: #79 Sir John Barron

“Why are there so many women on TV? Political Correctness is killing this country.”

“Do there have to be gays on every TV show now?”

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EPR-radar  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:01:13pm

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump could show up and personally shoot 3,000 Puerto Ricans down in cold blood and the Right would defend him for it.

‘defend’ is a serious understatement here. In that hypothetical, all of his supporters (i.e., 99+% of the US right) would have multiple orgasms sufficiently intense to require days of total bed rest for recovery.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:01:49pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Using Pat’s logic, God is rewarding Va for voting for Clinton.

The storm was never predicted to hit Virginia Beach. Robertson is lying, just like he did when I lived in Virginia Beach.

Lying in the name of Jesus has a long tradition behind it, going all the way back to Martin Luther, who promoted the idea.

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gwangung  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:01:54pm

re: #79 Sir John Barron

“Why are there so many women on TV? Political Correctness is killing this country.”

“Trying to diversity movies is Orwellian political correctness.”

17% of movie leads are non-white.
45% of movie audiences are non-white.

Hm.

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:03:31pm

Thread. Man, could we use her today.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:07:11pm

re: #56 jaunte

I think if James Woods had a 180 IQ his tweets would be a LOT smarter.

If James Woods had an IQ that high he probably wouldn’t be on Twitter.

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eljame  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:07:14pm
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lizardofid  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:14:19pm

re: #85 makeitstop

Thread. Man, could we use her today.

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Poor George!

Ann Richards’ 1988 DNC speech

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:15:10pm

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹

If James Woods had an IQ that high he probably wouldn’t be on Twitter.

I have been so gullible; because this story has been widespread on the Internet for years, I thought it was credible, especially given his acceptance to MIT.

That said — there are people with advanced degrees from respected universities who support Trump. One can be a racist and liar and still score high on IQ tests. Those tests do not measure ethics or decency.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:17:42pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

I have been so gullible; because this story has been widespread on the Internet for years, I thought it was credible, especially given his acceptance to MIT.

That said — there are people with advanced degrees from respected universities who support Trump. One can be a racist and liar and still score high on IQ tests. Those tests do not measure ethics or decency.

Right but Woods was being unintelligent. Thinking Norm McDonald losing his spot on the Tonight Show was a free speech violation because he whined about Me Too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:17:42pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

I have been so gullible; because this story has been widespread on the Internet for years, I thought it was credible, especially given his acceptance to MIT.

That said — there are people with advanced degrees from respected universities who support Trump. One can be a racist and liar and still score high on IQ tests. Those tests do not measure ethics or decency.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:18:13pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

I have been so gullible; because this story has been widespread on the Internet for years, I thought it was credible, especially given his acceptance to MIT.

That said — there are people with advanced degrees from respected universities who support Trump. One can be a racist and liar and still score high on IQ tests. Those tests do not measure ethics or decency.

we had a funny humanistic notion once that education helps make a person more moral and decent.

sometimes it just makes a person into an educated monster

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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:21:47pm

re: #15 Single-handed sailor

The flag is shredding rapidly.

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Trump’s America, a metaphor. /no it isn’t sarcasm. He’s too busy kissing it to notice that it’s fraying thanks to his very action/inaction.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:22:15pm

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we had a funny humanistic notion once that education helps make a person more moral and decent.

sometimes it just makes a person into an educated monster

Given how many educated cultured Germans supported Hitler and actively participated in Nazi atrocities, we should have long abandoned the notion that there was a significant correlation between intelligence and morality.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:22:16pm

Utah Outcasts making fun of Liz Crokin today. (11:11, NSFW for coarse language)

Liz Crokin Lost Two Fingers to Voodoo

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lawhawk  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:23:46pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Or, you could say “stop Trumping”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:24:23pm

re: #94 Hecuba’s daughter

Given how many educated cultured Germans supported Hitler and actively participated in Nazi atrocities, we should have long abandoned the notion that there was a significant correlation between intelligence and morality.

It was more of an Enlightenment-era humanistic notion that the Nazis almost completely dispelled

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:24:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:25:14pm

Guys I hear ya about intelligence and morality but Woods’ intelligence came up because he stupidly asked about free speech being violated in a business decision. I honestly don’t know what Norm McDonald said but NBC had a right to remove him if they didn’t like it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:25:49pm

re: #94 Hecuba’s daughter

Given how many educated cultured Germans supported Hitler and actively participated in Nazi atrocities, we should have long abandoned the notion that there was a significant correlation between intelligence and morality.

Unlike James Woods, porn star Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa. Mr. Woods is in the wrong part of the film industry apparently. /s

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:27:01pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Heh, I would have thought some odd kind of anti vaxxer.

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Citizen K  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:27:29pm

Expecting any GOP to break ranks is a fool’s errand. They want this, they want precisely this, because Trump has always been the logical extension of the GOP. They don’t see Democrats as human, why would they see brown folk on an island, even if it was a US Territory as human?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:30:18pm

re: #102 Citizen K

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Expecting any GOP to break ranks is a fool’s errand. They want this, they want precisely this, because Trump has always been the logical extension of the GOP. They don’t see Democrats as human, why would they see brown folk on an island, even if it was a US Territory as human?

They’d only break if Trump said something truly awful like tax cuts don’t stimulate the economy, that originalism is a sham judicial philosophy, or that Ronald Reagan sucked.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:32:53pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

They’d only break if Trump said something truly awful like tax cuts don’t stimulate the economy, that originalism is a sham judicial philosophy, or that Ronald Reagan sucked.

They’d only break if they have massive losses in November; otherwise he can do or say anything and they will nod in approval.

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can't think of a decent username  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:33:07pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

They’d only break if Trump said something truly awful like tax cuts don’t stimulate the economy, that originalism is a sham judicial philosophy, or that Ronald Reagan sucked.

I think he could get away with any of those. Republicans barely care about Reagan anymore, originalism is too hard for the proles to understand, and they’d only care about what he said about tax cuts if he actually passed higher taxes for rich Fox News drones who’d scream about it.

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Citizen K  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:34:30pm

re: #105 can’t think of a decent username

I think he could get away with any of those. Republicans barely care about Reagan anymore, originalism is too hard for the proles to understand, and they’d only care about what he said about tax cuts if he actually passed higher taxes for rich Fox News drones who’d scream about it.

As long as they win and get to stick it to the ‘other’.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:34:35pm

re: #104 Hecuba’s daughter

They’d only break if they have massive losses in November; otherwise he can do or say anything and they will nod in approval.

And even then, that’s not a gimme because they need his admirers for the primary.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:35:12pm

re: #105 can’t think of a decent username

I think he could get away with any of those. Republicans barely care about Reagan anymore, originalism is too hard for the proles to understand, and they’d only care about what he said about tax cuts if he actually passed higher taxes for rich Fox News drones who’d scream about it.

True true

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:35:14pm

I need to go to town for groceries … I’ll catch y’all later.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:35:49pm

Another day in ‘murca. Thanks, NRA and GOP.
Six dead, including gunman, in Bakersfield, California, shooting spree

A shooting rampage that left five people dead in Bakersfield, California, on Wednesday was linked to domestic violence and ended with the suspect turning the gun on himself as deputies closed in, officials said.

A final image of the shooter — identified as Javier Casarez, 54 — was captured on a deputy’s body camera and shown during a news conference Thursday in which authorities described how the shooting spree unfolded over less than 40 minutes and spanned five crime scenes.

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:38:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:40:27pm

re: #111 gocart mozart

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No more alternative history for wingnuts!

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:41:57pm

re: #102 Citizen K

Spoke to more than a dozen House Rs here at the Capitol. Very few had any criticism of the president’s handling of the coming storm or his tweets on P.R. Most offered hearty praise. A revealing snapshot of the GOP.

Expecting any GOP to break ranks is a fool’s errand. They want this, they want precisely this, because Trump has always been the logical extension of the GOP. They don’t see Democrats as human, why would they see brown folk on an island, even if it was a US Territory as human?

it’s a compound question - so easy to find cover even though im guessing that ‘very few’ of those house r’s have any clue exactly what the president has done to ‘handle’ the coming storms

they’re not even addressing the puerto rico part

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:42:21pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

No more alternative history for wingnuts!

how about selective history, like “nazis were socialists” and “democrats founded the KKK”?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:43:30pm

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

how about selective history?

Of course. I was referencing more so Harry Turtledove who made a jab at Trump there. He’s an alternate history writer of some regards.

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:46:36pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Oh noes, The Guns Of The South author doesn’t like Trump!

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:49:47pm

House GOP Blocks Effort to Reveal Trump-Putin Meeting

“House Foreign Affairs Committee Republicans have rejected Democrats’ request that the State Department turn over documents that would explain what President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin discussed in their July one-on-one meeting in Helsinki,” Axios reports.

the 2018 republican party, ladies and gentlemen
what possible reason wouldnt they want to look into this?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:50:59pm

re: #116 jaunte

On noes, The Guns Of The South author doesn’t like Trump!

Hey they were upset that a pro legalization musician is supporting a pro legalization politician against the Rex Banner of American politics.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:52:02pm

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:55:24pm

Garrison…Sweet Mother of Cthulu, dude is insane.

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:57:35pm

re: #120 makeitstop

There’s not enough champagne in that picture.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 1:58:19pm

re: #120 makeitstop

Garrison…Sweet Mother of Cthulu, dude is insane.

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So — are we supposed to object to the celebration? Looks good to me!

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:00:24pm
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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:03:13pm

on the shooting of Botham Jean

First, she claimed that she had put her things down as she struggled with the key to the apartment and was startled when Jean opened the door. Then she claimed that the door to the apartment was already partially open and when she saw “a large silhouette” in the apartment, she shouted “verbal commands” which were ignored, prompting her to fire her service weapon.

none of this works - its a super quick escalation to deadly force when there were many intermediate options

if it’s the first scenario, “he opened the door”, then why didnt she stay out of the apartment, call for help? double check where she was. she could have just shot her own relative

if the second, and she had advanced a few steps in, step back out of the apartment

you cannot clearly identify a threat from a large silhouette (unless next it’s ‘i thought ‘he’ had a gun’). she could not have been sure what she was shooting at. she should not have.

verbal commands ignored, step back. no imminent threat.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:08:11pm

re: #123 gocart mozart

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So your dislike of the media which employs your sorry ass keeps you from accepting academically research? Man no wonder why no one takes you seriously outside your echo chamber.

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freetoken  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:08:13pm

‘murica:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:10:56pm

re: #126 freetoken

‘murica:

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Oh come the fuck on people.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:13:18pm

re: #117 dangerman

House GOP Blocks Effort to Reveal Trump-Putin Meeting

the 2018 republican party, ladies and gentlemen
what possible reason wouldnt they want to look into this?

Why wouldn’t they? Because they either a) know what’s in there, and it’s very bad no good terrible, or b) they don’t know what’s in there but are very certain that it’s very bad no good terrible.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:14:11pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Oh come the fuck on people.

This does seem slightly dumber than pissing into the wind. But really, not by much.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:16:01pm

re: #120 makeitstop

Garrison…Sweet Mother of Cthulu, dude is insane.

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I especially dig the diabolical Hillary figure. Note that she has removed her shoes. Is that something witches do in wingnut folklore?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:16:30pm

Wow, local news taking a surprising stance

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:18:09pm

Trixie update:

The dental surgeon called just now. Apparently they found a number of bad teeth which had to be extracted, but she got through that phase of the surgery okay.

She’ll be going into surgery for her eye within the hour. Hopefully, that will go just as well.

Thank you all on behalf of the little cat for your kind wishes.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:18:55pm

re: #126 freetoken

‘murica:

On the contrary, I encourage all Trumpsters, wingnuts, neo-nazis, and incels to take their guns to the beach and start blasting away as the hurricane approaches, the closer the better.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:19:47pm

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

On the contrary, I encourage all Trumpsters, wingnuts, neo-nazis, and incels to take their guns to the beach and start blasting away as the hurricane approaches, the closer the better.

And the more the merrier.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:21:03pm

re: #131 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow, local news taking a surprising stance

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Why is it surprising? They are probably trying to support the GOP candidates for those offices and they know that if they support Trump instead, it would not help these candidates.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:21:35pm

re: #126 freetoken

‘murica:

As Hurricane Florence approaches, thousands ‘pledge’ to shoot their guns at the storm
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click through to the story says it’s a satire site

if real, it’s just an excuse to be reckless and get away with it
you get 20-30k people to come up with a reason to shoot their guns off more or less at the same time, there’s no stopping it or punishing it

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:21:42pm

With the likelihood of Democrats controlling Congress (or at least the House) becoming more secure, I’ve been wondering what happens if shit really hits the fan. That being, what if Mueller’s report clearly establishes not only obstruction of justice but conspiracy with the Russians, and/or Congressional investigations unveil serious crimes.

I don’t expect Trump to “do the right thing” and resign. So, let’s say he gets impeached. How many House Republicans could we reasonably expect to support the Articles of Impeachment? How many Senate Republicans could we reasonably expect to vote to convict?

What happens if there’s real evidence of criminal wrongdoing and impeachment fails?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:22:08pm

re: #129 KGxvi

This does seem slightly dumber than pissing into the wind. But really, not by much.

I keep on going back to Carlin- Think about how dumb the average person is.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:22:30pm

re: #132 makeitstop

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:22:34pm

re: #128 KGxvi

Why wouldn’t they? Because they either a) know what’s in there, and it’s very bad no good terrible, or b) they don’t know what’s in there but are very certain that it’s very bad no good terrible.

you’re right of course

I must remember to use snark tags more religiously

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:22:46pm

re: #137 KGxvi

With the likelihood of Democrats controlling Congress (or at least the House) becoming more secure, I’ve been wondering what happens if shit really hits the fan. That being, what if Mueller’s report clearly establishes not only obstruction of justice but conspiracy with the Russians, and/or Congressional investigations unveil serious crimes.

I don’t expect Trump to “do the right thing” and resign. So, let’s say he gets impeached. How many House Republicans could we reasonably expect to support the Articles of Impeachment? How many Senate Republicans could we reasonably expect to vote to convict?

What happens if there’s real evidence of criminal wrongdoing and impeachment fails?

That’s a scary question.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:22:59pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I keep on going back to Carlin- Think about how dumb the average person is.

And then realize half are dumber than that?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:24:20pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Why is it surprising? They are probably trying to support the GOP candidates for those offices and they know that if they support Trump instead, it would not help these candidates.

They could have gone with the ‘Scott rejected’ line, which has been the media norm today. But instead went with ‘Trump falsely claimed’
That’s surprising

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b_sharp  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:24:52pm

Normally, I’d ask everyone here, “how’s your shit hangin’”, but given the current political climate I’m afraid of the answers.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:24:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:27:09pm

re: #142 KGxvi

And then realize half are dumber than that?

Yep.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:28:18pm

re: #137 KGxvi

With the likelihood of Democrats controlling Congress (or at least the House) becoming more secure, I’ve been wondering what happens if shit really hits the fan. That being, what if Mueller’s report clearly establishes not only obstruction of justice but conspiracy with the Russians, and/or Congressional investigations unveil serious crimes.

I don’t expect Trump to “do the right thing” and resign. So, let’s say he gets impeached. How many House Republicans could we reasonably expect to support the Articles of Impeachment? How many Senate Republicans could we reasonably expect to vote to convict?

What happens if there’s real evidence of criminal wrongdoing and impeachment fails?

I think it will occur like this: If either switch, the Democrats do their own investigation and continue to support Mueller. I would suggest that they file a bill protecting Mueller. If they take both, continue. When Mueller’s findings come out, if they implicate Trump, publicly push for it, privately keep courting Republicans. Don’t trying ipeachment until the Senate is close to a 2/3 count. And us Democrats will have to stand by whatever they do.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:29:02pm

re: #137 KGxvi

With the likelihood of Democrats controlling Congress (or at least the House) becoming more secure, I’ve been wondering what happens if shit really hits the fan. That being, what if Mueller’s report clearly establishes not only obstruction of justice but conspiracy with the Russians, and/or Congressional investigations unveil serious crimes.

I don’t expect Trump to “do the right thing” and resign. So, let’s say he gets impeached. How many House Republicans could we reasonably expect to support the Articles of Impeachment? How many Senate Republicans could we reasonably expect to vote to convict?

What happens if there’s real evidence of criminal wrongdoing and impeachment fails?

i dont like to speculate
whoam i kidding, of course i do

it depends on how clear and convincing the report is - a lot of reactions will be based on how devastating it is - how hard to sweep it all aside with “concern” etc

they’ll likely know what the votes are in each house before they even start to do anything ‘official’. and its not gonna be fast. they will take their time to evaluate it all and then take everyone’s temperature more than once. plus all the requisite tv spin first.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:29:42pm

re: #120 makeitstop

Garrison…Sweet Mother of Cthulu, dude is insane.

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The Jack Chick of the 21st century. His style really does resemble Chick’s.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:29:55pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

That’s a scary question.

I was just looking up the Andrew Johnson impeachment, the tenth and eleventh articles were:

Making three speeches with intent to “attempt to bring into disgrace, ridicule, hatred, contempt and reproach, the Congress of the United States”.

Bringing disgrace and ridicule to the presidency by his aforementioned words and actions.

Those seem like the sort of articles that should get unanimous support in Congress for this idiot. That said, it looks like everyone knew what the results were going to be going in. Similar to Clinton, though in his case, I remember the exact numbers being a bit more up in the air.

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dangerman  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:30:11pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I keep on going back to Carlin- Think about how dumb the average person is.

and danger’s corollary

then realize that way more than half the people are dumber than that

(yes, i know, i know. i stand by it)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:30:45pm

re: #151 dangerman

and danger’s corollary

then realize that way more than half the people are dumber than that

(yes, i know, i know. i stand by it)

That works too.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:33:21pm

re: #151 dangerman

and danger’s corollary

then realize that way more than half the people are dumber than that

(yes, i know, i know. i stand by it)

The average person is smarter than the median person.

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:36:49pm

Gee, imagine my surprise that over a decade later, the wingnuts recycle their Katrina scripts to blame the piss-poor federal response on the victims.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:40:37pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Gee, imagine my surprise that over a decade later, the wingnuts recycle their Katrina scripts to blame the piss-poor federal response on the victims.

I wonder what the majority of Katrina victims and Irma victims have in common. Hmmmm.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:40:39pm
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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:43:34pm

Just arrived.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:47:23pm

re: #157 jaunte

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Just arrived.

Got mine on Kindle last night. I THINK I went to Amazon from the associate link, so that helps LGF. Bought it on Mrs. FBW’s Prime account. Then I couldn’t figure how to get it downloaded to MY iPhone’s Kindle app.

Numerous tries on the iPhone later, I said, “Fuck this.” and went to my computer, where in only 5 minutes I resolved it. iPhones have their limitations.

First thoughts: If a bus ran over Steve Bannon, I wouldn’t shed a tear.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:48:52pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:52:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:54:09pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Here fishy fishy

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:55:00pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh my. What did Manafort agree to give up - or more specifically, WHO?

In about a week’s time, expect to see rumblings start to center around:
1. Don Jr.
2. Jared
3. Pence

For my part, I wanted to see Manafort burn for what he has done to my friends in Ukraine. But if it leads to Trump in an orange jumpsuit, I will hold my nose and grit my teeth…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:55:05pm
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freetoken  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:55:38pm

Piotrowski keeps live streaming… and often points out the waves.

But for the bays of NC it has been, or is shortly about to be, low tide.

As the tide starts coming in the surge will become much more pronounced:

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:55:49pm

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Pg. xx of the Prologue. I’m going to have to make a run to the liquor store.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:57:06pm

re: #162 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Oh my. What did Manafort agree to give up - or more specifically, WHO?

In about a week’s time, expect to see rumblings start to center around:
1. Don Jr.
2. Jared
3. Pence

For my part, I wanted to see Manafort burn for what he has done to my friends in Ukraine. But if it leads to Trump in an orange jumpsuit, I will hold my nose and grit my teeth…

Yeah I think he had to give up someone big.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:57:13pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

LOCK HIM UP.

for life.

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 2:59:36pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Paul finally figured out that Mueller isn’t fucking around.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:04:05pm

re: #165 jaunte

Pg. xx of the Prologue. I’m going to have to make a run to the liquor store.

Inorite? Fortunately my liquor counter is well-stocked. It tends to accumulate, because I don’t actually drink as much as I think I do.

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gwangung  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:06:00pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

Paul finally figured out that Mueller isn’t fucking around.

Maybe…maybe not. But if Manafort’s broke, he may be pleading for economic reasons, not legal reasons.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:06:04pm

Hmmmm…. wonder what this is about:

“I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, said in a statement. “That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision,” she said.
“I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities,” she added.

I really hope this isn’t some wild ass goose chase.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:06:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:07:22pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Hmmmm…. wonder what this is about:

I really hope this isn’t some wild ass goose chase.

I’m really curious too.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:11:48pm

re: #172 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Holy shit.

boston25news.com

Hubby says the only way this could happen en masse is of oxygen was sent through the gas lines.

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freetoken  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:13:06pm

re: #174 MsJ

The talking heads are saying “overpressurization” and that the gas company is now venting gas.

How does this happen?

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calochortus  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:13:47pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Hmmmm…. wonder what this is about:

I really hope this isn’t some wild ass goose chase.

If I heard correctly, the FBI isn’t going to investigate because of the age of the information provided, but I’m not positive as Mr. C. was saying something to me during the report.

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freetoken  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:15:18pm

Florence has been pulling water away from Hatteras since morning?

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TedStriker  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:16:06pm

re: #172 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

bostonglobe.com

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:16:41pm

re: #175 freetoken

The talking heads are saying “overpressurization” and that the gas company is now venting gas.

How does this happen?

A pressure spike that overwhelms the pressure regulators that lead into the structures. Hubs says so many things would have to fail to make this happen it’s… suspicious.

It’s comforting to know that could happen to any building…like where I live. Comforting.

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TedStriker  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:20:18pm

re: #179 MsJ

A pressure spike that overwhelms the pressure regulators that lead into the structures. Hubs says so many things would have to fail to make this happen it’s… suspicious.

It’s comforting to know that could happen to any building…like where I live. Comforting.

So, basically, it’s either sabotage, terrorism, or massive incompetence.

Fun…

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:20:51pm

The writer needs a lesson from Paul Simon about what rhymes with “house of detention.”

The mama looked down and spit on the ground
Every time my name gets mentioned
The papa said, “oy, if I get that boy
I’m gonna stick him in the house of detention”

And Bob Dylan would like a word about the ending.

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Kragar  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:21:11pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:23:01pm

Law & Order party
(shotgun ammo in the back of his car)

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:23:42pm

re: #172 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Whoa. There’s a waking nightmare for ya. Hope people get out!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:23:57pm

re: #179 MsJ

A pressure spike that overwhelms the pressure regulators that lead into the structures. Hubs says so many things would have to fail to make this happen it’s… suspicious.

It’s comforting to know that could happen to any building…like where I live. Comforting.

Years ago, before John Stossel went around the bend, he did a show on risk, and people’s inability to correctly perceive it. He did a segment with an audience, and he said, “What if I told you there’s a new energy source, cleaner and more efficient than electricity, but if we use it, it will kill 100 people every year?”

Most of the audience said that would not be acceptable. “What if it were 10 people?”

Still some folks said that would be too many. One said that EVEN ONE would be too many.

At this point, Stossel said he’d played a trick on them, that the energy source already existed and was used in homes throughout America. It’s called Natural Gas, and it actually kills a 1000 people a year.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:25:48pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ben Shapiro rips Trump’s Puerto Rico death toll claim thehill.com pic.twitter.com

— The Hill (@thehill) September 13, 2018

Tomorrow little Benny will be back claiming every Democrat was spawned by Hitler.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:28:25pm
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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:37:03pm

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

Years ago, before John Stossel went around the bend, he did a show on risk, and people’s inability to correctly perceive it. He did a segment with an audience, and he said, “What if I told you there’s a new energy source, cleaner and more efficient than electricity, but if we use it, it will kill 100 people every year?”

Most of the audience said that would not be acceptable. “What if it were 10 people?”

Still some folks said that would be too many. One said that EVEN ONE would be too many.

At this point, Stossel said he’d played a trick on them, that the energy source already existed and was used in homes throughout America. It’s called Natural Gas, and it actually kills a 1000 people a year.

That’s not really an inability to perceive risk. That’s more an ignorance of current risk vs potential risk. If you don’t know what the current risk is, it’s hard to judge what the potential risk would be.

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:37:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:37:52pm

re: #183 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Law & Order party
(shotgun ammo in the back of his car)

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They were laced with garlic because he was afraid Cruz may bite him because Cruz is a vampire.

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danarchy  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:38:13pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Hmmmm…. wonder what this is about:

I really hope this isn’t some wild ass goose chase.

Just heard on the radio it has to do with a woman Kavanaugh went to high school with.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:39:04pm

re: #188 KGxvi

That’s not really an inability to perceive risk. That’s more an ignorance of current risk vs potential risk. If you don’t know what the current risk is, it’s hard to judge what the potential risk would be.

Hence “correctly perceive risk”.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:39:21pm

Dozens of fires & explosions in homes reported in Lawrence, N. Andover and AndoverNo fire department in the world can handle 50+ house fires at the same time. Units are en route from all over Mass, as well as neighboring states.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:41:30pm

re: #191 danarchy

Just heard on the radio it has to do with a woman Kavanaugh went to high school with.

Hmmmm. I hate to say it but sexual assault? At first I thought it was sexual harassment possibly.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:43:44pm

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

Hence “correctly perceive risk”.

Sort of. But that example is based almost entirely on lack of information. Obviously, if you don’t have all the information (or even a reasonable amount), you can’t properly perceive the risk. It’s like crossing the street blindfolded, there’s a lot more risk on PCH than there is on a residential street. If you don’t know what street you’re crossing, you can’t calculate the risk and thus come to the conclusion “it’s too dangerous.”

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:44:23pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

They were laced with garlic because he was afraid Cruz may bite him because Cruz is a vampire.

I’m quite sure vampires doubt appreciate the association.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:44:58pm

re: #188 KGxvi

That’s not really an inability to perceive risk. That’s more an ignorance of current risk vs potential risk. If you don’t know what the current risk is, it’s hard to judge what the potential risk would be.

Are we discussing the lottery again? 😂🤣😭

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danarchy  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:45:41pm

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Dozens of fires & explosions in homes reported in Lawrence, N. Andover and AndoverNo fire department in the world can handle 50+ house fires at the same time. Units are en route from all over Mass, as well as neighboring states.

Yeah, a lot of houses are going to be a total loss. I was listening to the radio on my way home and it had just started and the fire chief was saying there were already 5 houses that were burning unattended because they didn’t have the resources to cover them all. fire departments from surrounding towns were en route though

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:45:59pm

Damn! One daughter is in Haverhill, just over from Andover, while the other is directly in Florence’s path in South Carolina. Both are safe. Mass daughter emphasized that the gas disaster only affects Andover and Lawrence and they have a completely separate gas company. The other is on high ground 60 miles inland, and thoroughly prepared, but still right on the path.

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sagehen  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:46:44pm

re: #191 danarchy

Just heard on the radio it has to do with a woman Kavanaugh went to high school with.

So… statue of limitations must be long past?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:46:56pm

re: #196 MsJ

I’m quite sure vampires doubt appreciate the association.

Especially Al Lewis who played Grandpa Munster and was a great advocate for progressive causes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:48:40pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:50:01pm

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Now watch her story change again from “I thought there was an burglar” to “I smelled weed and chose to effect an arrest.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:51:20pm

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So the fuck what. This shouldn’t be news. A mid 20’s some had marijuana at his place of residency? Why golly, that means he deserved to be murdered and was a thug. God I hate Fox News. Evil fuckwads know just how to push their bigoted viewership’s buttons.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:52:06pm

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What’s the probable cause for searching his apartment for drugs?

And given everything else “found” at the scene, do I suspect that the killer had brought it home from the evidence locker?

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Mike Lamb  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:52:10pm

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Just when I let my cynicism lapse for a second…

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:53:21pm

re: #205 KGxvi

What’s the probable cause for searching his apartment for drugs?

And given everything else “found” at the scene, do I suspect that the killer had brought it home from the evidence locker?

Not to worry, I’m sure there’s one or more cops/rangers who will swear on a stack of bibles that when they entered the apartment, they immediately smelled weed and that was the basis of the warrant.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:53:39pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:53:47pm

re: #205 KGxvi

What’s the probable cause for searching his apartment for drugs?

And given everything else “found” at the scene, do I suspect that the killer had brought it home from the evidence locker?

I suspect it’s pretty standard to search the scenes of homicides

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:54:43pm
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Interesting Times  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:54:49pm

re: #180 TedStriker

So, basically, it’s either sabotage, terrorism, or massive incompetence.

Fun…

But wait! It gets worse o_O

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:55:55pm

re: #205 KGxvi

What’s the probable cause for searching his apartment for drugs?

And given everything else “found” at the scene, do I suspect that the killer had brought it home from the evidence locker?

I think they did the search because it’s a crime scene. I’d read that they had a warrant to search his apartment, but the article didn’t give a reason.

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sagehen  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:57:18pm

So just out of curiosity… in how many states is it entirely legal to have marijuana in your house?

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 13, 2018 • 3:59:42pm

re: #180 TedStriker

So, basically, it’s either sabotage, terrorism, or massive incompetence.

Fun…

There’s more than a few people who would love an excuse to level Lawrence, MA.

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Jay C  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:01:31pm

re: #198 danarchy

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Dozens of fires & explosions in homes reported in Lawrence, N. Andover and AndoverNo fire department in the world can handle 50+ house fires at the same time. Units are en route from all over Mass, as well as neighboring states.

Yeah, a lot of houses are going to be a total loss. I was listening to the radio on my way home and it had just started and the fire chief was saying there were already 5 houses that were burning unattended because they didn’t have the resources to cover them all. fire departments from surrounding towns were en route though

When we heard where these explosions were, we immediately called friends of ours who had just moved to Andover in July. They said they had been told it was a “pressurization” problem relating to work done on a nearby gas line, and that they shouldn’t turn on any lights or appliances, just to be safe.

So my thought was it’s an early arrival of Orthodox Shabbos: don’t turn anything on, don;t turn anything off, and pray…..

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:01:35pm

Guess the DPD/Texas Rangers decided that Guyger wasn’t doing herself any favors with the constant changes to her story, so they decided that they’re going to default to the standard “He was no angel!” defense.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:01:56pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:01:57pm

re: #180 TedStriker

So, basically, it’s either sabotage, terrorism, or massive incompetence.

Fun…

That generally covers just about every major disaster. The only other cause that you left out was, “Everything was working exactly as intended, up until it wasn’t.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:04:24pm

All Trump supporters are urged to attend this rally and show their love. Donnie will provide free water, lots and lots of it.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:09:05pm

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:09:55pm

re: #209 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I suspect it’s pretty standard to search the scenes of homicides

Sure, for evidence of a murder. But what led them to go looking for marijuana?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:11:38pm
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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:12:02pm

re: #213 sagehen

So just out of curiosity… in how many states is it entirely legal to have marijuana in your house?

Under federal law, none. Under state law, 9 where it’s completely legal, another 13 where medical is recognized. In Texas it’s “cite and release” in the major metro areas, including Dallas.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:13:13pm

re: #223 KGxvi

I should clarify, 31 states allow some sort of medical use, but for many (including Texas) that means oil with a THC limit.

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:15:27pm

Trixie update II:

The doctor just called. Trixie got through the eye surgery pretty well, no complications. She’s recovering over night, and in the morning they’ll give her an antibiotic shot and a pain killer shot that’ll be good for three days. They’re going to call tomorrow and let us know when we can go pick her up and bring her home.

I can’t begin to tell you how relieved I am that she’s out of surgery. Seeing a cat around the house every day is one thing, but when that cat is at a hospital and going under the knife…I told my wife I didn’t know what I’d do if she didn’t make it.

Again, thanks to all of you wonderful people for your support. Part of the reason this is my home on the webz.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:15:33pm

From the Columbia Gas website:

Improving natural gas service across Massachusetts
Sep 13, 2018

We’ll be upgrading natural gas lines in neighborhoods across the state. This work will lead to long-term benefits for you including:

Enhanced safety features
Reliability of service for years to come
Less future maintenance work in your neighborhood
System support for amenities like fire pits, outdoor grills, pool heaters
Weather permitting, work will take place Monday through Friday, 7 a.m. to 5 p.m., with temporary lane restrictions possible during working hours. Project schedules are subject to change.

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:17:52pm

So Guyger gets home after an abnormally long shift and “accidentally” parks on the wrong level of her apartment building. Then she “accidentally” misses the big red mat when going to the apartment she believes is hers. She notices a door ajar that residents have demonstrated automatically closes, draws her firearm, and enters under the belief that she’s being robbed. She confronts a “silhouette” in darkness so absolute she can’t identify them but they’re supposed to recognize she’s a uniformed police officer, gives verbal orders to “it,” and then when the orders are not obeyed fires two shots that kill the “burglar.” And she manages to find a phone in the total darkness and immediately dials 911, only turning on a light when the 911 dispatcher on the other end asks for her address because she’d totally forgotten where she lives in the heat of the moment. And the man she shot and ultimately killed happens to have a baggie of weed that’s found when a search of his apartment is conducted under the umbrella of a murder investigation.

If you believe that that is the absolute truth, then you’re a Trump voter.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:19:21pm

re: #225 makeitstop

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:22:40pm

re: #228 Stanley Sea

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:23:57pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Hmmmm…. wonder what this is about:

I really hope this isn’t some wild ass goose chase.

The fact that they referred it to the FBI rather than just blurting it out means they’re being careful.

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:24:32pm

By the way, tomorrow will mark a week since the shooting. And we know that the victim had a baggie of weed but we still haven’t heard anything about the blood tox done on the shooter. Who wants to place a bet that we’ll find out there was THC in his blood before we find out what was in hers?

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:27:40pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:28:35pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

By the way, tomorrow will mark a week since the shooting. And we know that the victim had a baggie of weed but we still haven’t heard anything about the blood tox done on the shooter. Who wants to place a bet that we’ll find out there was THC in his blood before we find out what was in hers?

You may recall that small, possibly trace amounts of marijuana in Philando Castile’s car were used by the NRA as an excuse not to protest his murder.

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:28:54pm

lol

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CleverToad  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:29:02pm

re: #225 makeitstop

Trixie update II:

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Yay!!!
Hugs to all involved, y’all need ‘em

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sagehen  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:29:09pm

re: #230 Belafon

The fact that they referred it to the FBI rather than just blurting it out means they’re being careful.

Wingnut twitter has already chosen and is circulating a “rumor” so mild that if that were it the congresswoman wouldn’t have called Feinstein, and Feinstein wouldn’t have called the FBI. But wingers now have it as an article of faith that Dems are slandering this good man to derail his nomination with trivia.

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:31:30pm

re: #233 Blind Frog Belly White

You may recall that small, possibly trace amounts of marijuana in Philando Castile’s car were used by the NRA as an excuse not to protest his murder.

Just as with the “empty bags” that they’d been told were found in Trayvon Martin’s backpack, the purpose is to put the family on the defensive by making it look like their loved one was a “crook” and they’re “covering it up” with an eye to “cash in.” Before this ever sees trial, the defense wants to turn it into another “thug vs virtuous defender of justice” narrative.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:34:17pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

Just as with the “empty bags” that they’d been told were found in Trayvon Martin’s backpack, the purpose is to put the family on the defensive by making it look like their loved one was a “crook” and they’re “covering it up” with an eye to “cash in.” Before this ever sees trial, the defense wants to turn it into another “thug vs virtuous defender of justice” narrative.

What someone called the “N****rization” of Trayvon - they had to make him into a “Thug”, and not a suburban teenager out for a walk.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:36:26pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

DFW us a big market, but I bet even Fox4 is going to be surprised at the reach and the ratio.

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:39:49pm

re: #239 Belafon

DFW us a big market, but I bet even Fox4 is going to be surprised at the reach and the ratio.

And they are magically the only network that got this “exclusive” bit of info while the investigation is still on-going.

Fancy that.//////

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danarchy  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:45:49pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

And they are magically the only network that got this “exclusive” bit of info while the investigation is still on-going.

Fancy that.//////

It was in open court records. The Dallas News reported it as well. they didn’t lead with it though.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:46:50pm

Florence still 80 miles from Frying Pan Shoals Light Tower.

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:47:02pm

re: #241 danarchy

It was in open court records. The Dallas News reported it as well. they didn’t lead with it though.

Ah, my mistake.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:49:04pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:51:20pm

re: #244 Belafon

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Since it’s behind a paywall, can we get the Cliff Notes version?

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 4:59:46pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

Since it’s behind a paywall, can we get the Cliff Notes version?

I’m about to completely give up on TPM. I don’t begrudge anyone monetizing their site, but now in addition to the multiple video ads on the pages with stories, now there’s a popup ad with autoplay that shows up on every single page. And while that video is loading, nothing else on the page works.

Maybe they figure if they make free viewing annoying enough, people will spring for their subscription service.

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:04:00pm

Indeed.

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Skip Intro  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:07:27pm

re: #247 makeitstop

Indeed.

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Fox needs a hook. Now they can let their racist flag fly.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:07:30pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

Just as with the “empty bags” that they’d been told were found in Trayvon Martin’s backpack, the purpose is to put the family on the defensive by making it look like their loved one was a “crook” and they’re “covering it up” with an eye to “cash in.” Before this ever sees trial, the defense wants to turn it into another “thug vs virtuous defender of justice” narrative.

One of the episodes of Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story touched on that. How the conservative media led by Ann Coulter, Megyn Kelly, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro, Jim Hoft, Steven Crowder, Dennis Prager, and Brent Bozell tried to assassinate the character of Martin and his family. How Trayvon “stole” the Skittles and Arizona tea, and when that was disproven he was going to make “purple lean” with them. And how he was “casing” the neighborhood for robbery, and “stalking” George Zimmerman. And how they attacked his father Tracy Martin, by accusing him of being a Crip gang member because of some neck tattoo. They were throwing everything at the Martin’s but the kitchen sink.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:07:48pm

Uh oh. Topsy Lightbulb is having a meltdown.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:08:02pm

I’m shocked. You?

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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:08:45pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

Uh oh. Topsy Lightbulb is having a meltdown.

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Record’s skipping. Somebody put a good slap on the side of it.

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Targetpractice  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:09:13pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

Uh oh. Topsy Lightbulb is having a meltdown.

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Damnit, they’re gonna have to reboot the OS again.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:12:58pm

re: #249 DodgerFan1988

One of the episodes of Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story touched on that. How the conservative media led by Ann Coulter, Megyn Kelly, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro, Jim Hoft, Steven Crowder, Dennis Prager, and Brent Bozell tried to assassinate the character of Martin and his family. How Trayvon “stole” the Skittles and Arizona tea, and when that was disproven he was going to make “purple lean” with them. And how he was “casing” the neighborhood for robbery, and “stalking” George Zimmerman. And how they attacked his father Tracy Martin, by accusing him of being a Crip gang member because of some neck tattoo. They were throwing everything at the Martin’s but the kitchen sink.

And at the same time making that hothead asshole Zimmerman out to be a concerned neighbor and not the guy who you know can’t stay out of trouble since his acquittal.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:13:04pm

re: #225 makeitstop

Trixie update II:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:14:07pm

re: #251 MsJ

I’m shocked. You?

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Reminds me of when they had quacks diagnose Obama as narcissistic. And even if she was a shrink, it’s still absurd. And man she’s as crazy as he is if she really believes he has the most sound mind of any President.

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gocart mozart  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:14:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:16:00pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

Uh oh. Topsy Lightbulb is having a meltdown.

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You mean like your second great grandfather who if things were done your way would have been deported? But yeah okay Tomi crying about illegals being treated like people really chaps your ass. Find a new hobby instead of whining about people who committed a misdemeanor.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:16:19pm

Good question. Anyone?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:18:39pm

It’s not that they believe Trump is mentally sound, it’s that they believe he’s the most mentally sound. Just like how he believes he’s the most intelligent and in best shape of any President. There’s no room in between for him. But somehow FNC convinced millions of our fellow Americans that Obama was a narcissistic heathen and this asshole was a humble, quiet man of faith.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:19:49pm

re: #246 makeitstop

I subscribe. Makes me read a lot of TPM articles, which is good. Plus I really like Josh’s takes/columns.

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:20:11pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

Since it’s behind a paywall, can we get the Cliff Notes version?

The really short version is that tis keeps Russia out the October news cycle.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:21:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:22:21pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

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Ever notice that FNC seems to lead the media with “experts” that are really just assholes with opinions.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:23:11pm

re: #259 MsJ

Good question. Anyone?

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No. Asset forfeiture is a civil court process where the defendant is technically the property itself and not the person it was taken from. Pardons can only be for criminal offenses. The burden of proof in a civil asset forfeiture case is on the person to prove that they acquired the assets legally and that the assets were not involved in a crime. So technically Manafort can be pardoned and no longer be a convict but I don’t believe that would make the assets that were seized magically untainted in the eyes of the law. At the very least he would have to go to court again and prove that it is more likely than not that the assets were legally obtained.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:23:22pm

re: #191 danarchy

Just heard on the radio it has to do with a woman Kavanaugh went to high school with.

Two possibilities:

1. It’s a Roger Stone special designed to discredit critics of the Kavanaugh nomination.
2. It’s a he said - she said with no possibility of resolution at this time. And the GOP (and many others as well) would excuse crimes committed so long ago by a teenager.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:25:28pm

re: #266 Hecuba’s daughter

Two possibilities:

1. It’s a Roger Stone special designed to discredit critics of the Kavanaugh nomination.
2. It’s a he said - she said with no possibility of resolution at this time. And the GOP (and many others as well) would excuse crimes committed so long ago by a teenager.

I don’t know. DiFi’s been at it a long time and she reported it to the media.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:25:40pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Ever notice that FNC seems to lead the media with “experts” that are really just assholes with opinions.

Assholes with opinions, you say? And I’ve heard that opinions are like assholes. I guess it’s assholes all the way down…
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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:26:22pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

Assholes with opinions, you say? And I’ve heard that opinions are like assholes. I guess it’s assholes all the way down…
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They’ve got blonde assholes and old white assholes. Sometimes they surprise us with a brunette or PoC one though.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:30:03pm

re: #266 Hecuba’s daughter

Two possibilities:

1. It’s a Roger Stone special designed to discredit critics of the Kavanaugh nomination.
2. It’s a he said - she said with no possibility of resolution at this time. And the GOP (and many others as well) would excuse crimes committed so long ago by a teenager Republican.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:33:27pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:34:45pm
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makeitstop  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:34:58pm

re: #255 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:36:08pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

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Well Lou, we know he’ll be quoting your sorry toadie ass tomorrow or later tonight when the KFC gets to him.

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wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:36:09pm

Took me a sec to decipher ‘Manaforthas’.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:36:52pm

re: #275 wrenchwench

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Took me a sec to decipher ‘Manaforthas’.

Makes it all the more interesting then since Trump has repeatedly claimed that Manafort was just there briefly.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:37:44pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

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I’m already seeing a lot of memes and posts by Blue Lives Matter types all over Facebook and Twitter defending the shooting, saying that even if Amber Guyger was in the wrong apartment, the responsibility lies with Botham Jean for “failing to follow commands to put his arms up.” They’re going with the “he failed to follow police orders to put his hands up”talking point, and being in his own apartment doesn’t matter because police arrest people all the time in their own homes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:39:01pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

Uh oh. Topsy Lightbulb is having a meltdown.

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What has upset Tantrum Loudmouth this time?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:58:37pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

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I know this shouldn’t matter, but it does. He’s wearing a suit and tie in the picture. I guess they couldn’t find one with a hoodie. Baby steps, baby steps.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 13, 2018 • 5:59:51pm

re: #279 I Would Prefer Not To

I know this shouldn’t matter, but it does. He’s wearing a suit and tie in the picture. I guess they couldn’t find one with a hoodie. Baby steps, baby steps.

They still have to find a pic of another black guy who doesn’t even really look like him flipping off the camera.

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SpikeDad  Sep 17, 2018 • 4:13:31pm

re: #145 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Hmm. Big ears on Obama? Surprised he didn’t include a tail and him carrying a banana. What a racist fucker.


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