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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:03:32pm

Charles? Is this true?
How guitar players sometimes see the drummer

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:14:50pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:15:50pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:15:50pm

re: #2 Unshaken Defiance

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His head asplode.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:21:06pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:21:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:25:30pm

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:26:11pm
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Amory Blaine  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:30:18pm

A Japanese Probe Is About to Drop Two Hopping Robots Onto Asteroid Ryugu

A Japanese asteroid-sampling probe is about to get up close and personal with its target space rock.

The Hayabusa2 spacecraft will drop two tiny rovers onto the asteroid Ryugu this week, possibly as early as Thursday (Sept. 20), if all goes according to plan.

The Hayabusa2 team began prepping seriously for the epic maneuver last week. The current schedule calls for the mother ship to descend toward Ryugu today (Sept. 19) and for the two little disk-shaped robots, known as MINERVA-II1A and MINERVA-II1B, to deploy as early as tomorrow, U.S. time. (Officials with the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, or JAXA, have cited Sept. 20 and Sept. 21 for these events, but that’s apparently on Japan time, which is 13 hours ahead of U.S. Eastern Daylight Time.)

Plus

Navigation Images from the MINERVA-Ⅱ1 deployment operation
(Real time delivery)

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:32:04pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:32:20pm

re: #9 Amory Blaine

An excellent prequel to a scifi movie in a few years.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:35:36pm

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

Dinesh D’Souza

@DineshDSouza
* 12h
Normally colonies provide resources for the nation that rules them. What does Puerto Rico provide the US?


………

No wonder he dated Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter — racists tend to stick together.

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austin_blue  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:36:11pm

If the R’s don’t allow the delay of Ford’s testimony until Thursday and try to to push through the nomination on Monday, they’re fucked. If the FBI doesn’t investigate the accusations, like they did with Anita Hill, they’re fucked.

If anything comes of it (and it will), Kavanaugh cannot claim a “high tech lynching” like Thomas did because he’s a privileged white boy.

Here’s my fantasy:

“Were you a member of an organization euphemistically called “Tit and Clit” at Yale?

Was it also assumed that within that organization, a widely held and reported belief, that “No” meant “Yes”, and “Yes” meant “anal”?”

I just want to hear him answer the question. Those were his homeboys.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:37:12pm

re: #11 Unshaken Defiance

An excellent prequel to a scifi movie in a few years.

Aliens show up with hopping robotic war machines, right?

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Amory Blaine  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:37:40pm

Blows my mind that about 30 minutes ago this picture was transmitted from 180 million miles away!

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austin_blue  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:38:11pm

re: #5 Dave In Austin

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Jeebus! What the fuck is that?

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Amory Blaine  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:39:27pm

Looks like a dogs ear.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:40:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:45:49pm

Sister weighs in with my step-father’s condition:

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Amory Blaine  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:48:16pm

Elmbrook Church senior pastor resigns due to marital infidelities and ‘serious addiction’

A senior leader of Elmbrook Church, one of the largest churches in Wisconsin, has resigned “due to multiple marital infidelities” and to seek inpatient treatment for an unspecified addiction.

Jason Webb, senior church pastor for four years, announced his departure in a remorseful letter sent to the Elmbrook congregation Wednesday. Webb’s resignation was tendered last week, church officials said.

An interim senior pastor to replace Webb is expected to be chosen as soon as mid-next week by Elmbrook’s council of elders, said Mark Heckman, the church’s executive director of support services.

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CleverToad  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:58:02pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

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Dave In Austin  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:58:55pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

Blows my mind that about 30 minutes ago this picture was transmitted from 180 million miles away!

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And that mass is mostly Iron/nickle. And it’s very big.

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dell*nix  Sep 20, 2018 • 9:59:10pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:01:09pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:01:55pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

What good juju I can muster, I’ll send your way.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:04:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:04:13pm

This is certainly not the day he became presidential …

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CleverToad  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:06:33pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

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austin_blue  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:11:55pm

re: #18 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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The Hayabusa in WW2 was the KI-43 Japanese fighter plane. In Japanese, it’s the peregrine falcon. It was a Japanese Army aircraft, and it was a damn good fighter, very manuverable, very fast, it’s biggest weakness a lack self-sealing fuel tanks.

In other words, if it got lit up by a US fighter, it burned like a torch.

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dell*nix  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:12:37pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:14:36pm

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹

This is certainly not the day he became presidential …

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Aren’t some of them a cancer? Though, seriously, Donald, you might ask Ivana what she didn’t after you attacked her.

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austin_blue  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:14:37pm

re: #26 Single-handed sailor

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Dear Dog, I wish we had a President like that.

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fern01  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:18:30pm

re: #32 austin_blue

Dear Dog, I wish we had a President like that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:26:38pm

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹

This is certainly not the day he became presidential …

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Why didn’t a 15 year old call the FBI? JFC

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:27:11pm

This is interesting, to me.

F-35 JSF infrared sensor tracks rocket launch

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:27:16pm

Polls open in eSwatini, where king has absolute rule (Goes to Deutsche Welle, more at the link - eSwantini is the new name for Swaziland):

The tiny African kingdom of eSwatini, formerly Swaziland, was headed to the polls on Friday, for elections that are seen as largely undemocratic.

Political parties are banned from participating in the vote and King Mswati III — one of the world’s last absolute rulers — holds complete control over the parliament and government, as well as the judiciary, civil service and security forces.

In addition to handpicking the prime minister, he can veto legislation and is constitutionally above the law.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:27:43pm

re: #33 fern01

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I miss him so much. He actually cared & is a genuinely decent person.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:28:16pm
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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:28:21pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:30:57pm

re: #38 Ace-o-aces

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You didn’t stand for our country when you violated the law In Central America. Why should we listen to you lecture anyone on patriotism especially when your organization is crooked and pushes Putin bs.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:32:38pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Why didn’t a 15 year old call the FBI? JFC

Because she knew he was a future Supreme Court nominee, silly!

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Dave In Austin  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:32:51pm

Ok….. It’s late and this is a Ron Jeremy Tweet.

I’m wiping the coffee spray off the monitor now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:33:07pm

re: #39 ckkatz

Thank you kindly for that piece of information. I will telephone their office tomorrow to see if there is anything they can do. I really appreciate the help of this information.

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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:38:52pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Why didn’t a 15 year old call the FBI? JFC

As I understand it, Martha Kavanaugh was fairly high in the Montgomery County, Maryland State legal system. I suspect that even a 15 year old can come to the conclusion regarding the odds of a complaint working out well.

- Assistant State’s Attorney, Montgomery County, 1978-84
- Associate Judge, District Court of Maryland, District 6, Montgomery County, 1993-95.
- Associate Judge, Montgomery County Circuit Court, 6th Judicial Circuit, 1995 to June 2, 2001

msa.maryland.gov

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Dave In Austin  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:39:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:46:36pm

re: #44 ckkatz

As I understand it, Martha Kavanaugh was fairly high in the Montgomery County, Maryland State legal system. I suspect that even a 15 year old can come to the conclusion regarding the odds of a complaint working out well.

- Assistant State’s Attorney, Montgomery County, 1978-84
- Associate Judge, District Court of Maryland, District 6, Montgomery County, 1993-95.
- Associate Judge, Montgomery County Circuit Court, 6th Judicial Circuit, 1995 to June 2, 2001

msa.maryland.gov

Right. She was probably scared. Her word against his and it still is that way. But it shocks me not at all that Trump would victim blame.

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Jason Munro  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:47:43pm

re: #38 Ace-o-aces

Why should anyone give a flying fuck about what Oliver Fucking North has to say about literally fucking anything? I’m sorry for the excessive cursing, but WTF?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:50:16pm

re: #47 Jason Munro

Why should anyone give a flying fuck about what Oliver Fucking North has to say about literally fucking anything? I’m sorry for the excessive cursing, but WTF?

No need to. I don’t get it either.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:50:51pm

Not mine. Well done

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:51:24pm
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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:52:51pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Right. She was probably scared. Her word against his and it still is that way. But it shocks me not at all that Trump would victim blame.

I guess what bothers me is not just the calculating, cold blooded callousness of the Republicans. But the fact that they are so public and dismissive. They really do not give a damn about anything or anybody.

Even amoral Machiavelli recognized the need for at least some veneer of moral pretense.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:55:30pm

re: #51 ckkatz

I guess what bothers me is not just the calculating, cold blooded callousness of the Republicans. But the fact that they are so public and dismissive. They really do not give a damn about anything or anybody.

Even amoral Machiavelli recognized the need for at least some veneer of moral pretense.

So true. Hatch really revealed a lot about his character the past few days.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2018 • 10:58:54pm
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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:00:05pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

No need to. I don’t get it either.

Heh, in 1994, when Ollie North tried to run for Senator in Virginia, I put a “South” bumpersticker on my car. I was in good company in Fairfax County.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:01:23pm

re: #47 Jason Munro

Why should anyone give a flying fuck about what Oliver Fucking North has to say about literally fucking anything? I’m sorry for the excessive cursing, but WTF?

(Looks around, doesn’t see any excessive cursing)

Ah yes, Oliver North, patriot, Reagan worshiper, went around laws passed by Congress to sell weapons to Iran to funnel money to right wing death squads like the Contras. Yeah, with patriots like that, who needs enemies?

And he has his wingnut sinecure now at the NRA.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:06:37pm

The fucking balls on this dude I swear!

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Dave In Austin  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:09:45pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:09:47pm

I don’t thank Charles enough for the edit button because man am I lazy about proofreading.

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Jason Munro  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:11:24pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

No need to. I don’t get it either.

OMFG I watched the video clip. Why did I do that? Some sort of perverse believe that maybe I was too quick to judge Oliver Fucking North? FUCK. This is too stupid to comment on. I’m going back to lurking because I just can’t handle the insanity that is our current reality.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:13:29pm

Ha! H/t to Anne Laurie at Balloon Juice:

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:13:55pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

That’s why I don’t let threads auto-update. I give people time to fix typos and bad cut/pastes, because I need two tries for way too many posts.

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austin_blue  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:14:21pm

And I’m off for the rack.

Brexit seems to be more dicey every day, doesn’t it? It looks like the UK’s economy is going to get fucked right up the patootie!

How can they keep this from happening, hmm? Maybe by noting that the original vote was a NON-BINDING referendum?!?!

Look, my wife and I go to the UK every year to visit my wife’s sister and our brother-in-law (a founding member of Silly Wizard, ensconced in the Scottish Trad Hall Of Fame) who live north of London in the unfortunately named village of Leighton Buzzard. Lots of ancient buildings, a Market Cross, and a Parish Church built in 1277 with a 190 foot steeple.

We then head north to the Edinburgh International Harp Festival where She Who Must Be Obeyed has her best week of the year, playing and laughing with her peers. She’s a hell of a musician, Eastman trained, and her crossover into Scottish/Irish/Welsh/Cornish/Brittany/Basque styles of harping, all Celtic, by the way at their roots, makes her a better player. It’s great for her, and I get to drink excellent beer and scotch.

Brexit will likely mean that we will have to cross a border when we travel from England to Scotland. The Scots will leave the UK. Edinburgh will replace London as the banking center on the island. They’ll adopt the Euro as their currency.

It will be an absolute disaster for England.

And all of this could be avoided if the UK government just said “Stop! We aren’t going to do this! What were we thinking? This is just stupid!”

They’ve got about two months to do this.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:14:40pm

re: #60 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t know why those top two panels appeared out of nowhere….

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:15:50pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

I don’t thank Charles enough for the edit button because man am I lazy about proofreading.

It’s a model that Twitter should emulate. Yeah, edit the fuck out of your post, but you only have this much time to do it.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:18:47pm
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darthstar  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:19:05pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:20:32pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

It’s a model that Twitter should emulate. Yeah, edit the fuck out of your post, but you only have this much time to do it.

They need to get rid of the Nazi’s first, and if they are going to do it they should make the change log to edited tweets viewable / trackable so that editing can’t be use by abusers to gaslight their victims.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:23:28pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

They need to get rid of the Nazi’s first, and if they are going to do it they should make the change log to edited tweets viewable / trackable so that editing can’t be use by abusers to gaslight their victims.

They must have the technology to distinguish changing a letter here or there (like I have to do more often than not) from wholesale changes like that.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:23:36pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

They need to get rid of the Nazi’s first, and if they are going to do it they should make the change log to edited tweets viewable / trackable so that editing can’t be use by abusers to gaslight their victims.

Facebook tracks edits. Just sayin’.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:24:13pm
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ckkatz  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:25:34pm

re: #62 austin_blue

And I’m off for the rack.

Brexit seems to be more dicey every day, doesn’t it? It looks like the UK’s economy is going to get fucked right up the patootie!

How can they keep this from happening, hmm? Maybe by noting that the original vote was a NON-BINDING referendum?!?!

Look, my wife and I go to the UK every year to visit my wife’s sister and our brother-in-law (a founding member of Silly Wizard, ensconced in the Scottish Trad Hall Of Fame) who live north of London in the unfortunately named village of Leighton Buzzard. Lots of ancient buildings, a Market Cross, and a Parish Church built in 1277 with a 190 foot steeple.

We then head north to the Edinburgh International Harp Festival where She Who Must Be Obeyed has her best week of the year, playing and laughing with her peers. She’s a hell of a musician, Eastman trained, and her crossover into Scottish/Irish/Welsh/Cornish/Brittany/Basque styles of harping, all Celtic, by the way at their roots, makes her a better player. It’s great for her, and I get to drink excellent beer and scotch.

Brexit will likely mean that we will have to cross a border when we travel from England to Scotland. The Scots will leave the UK. Edinburgh will replace London as the banking center on the island. They’ll adopt the Euro as their currency.

It will be an absolute disaster for England.

And all of this could be avoided if the UK government just said “Stop! We aren’t going to do this! What were we thinking? This is just stupid!”

They’ve got about two months to do this.

Wow! That is way cool!

I’ve been listening to Silly Wizard since their music reached the Pittsburgh area back in the mid to late 1970’s. Sadly, iirc several band members passed away in the last few years.

It sounds like the English are slowly beginning to figure how much of the Brexit leadership is tied to Russian interests.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:26:02pm

I’ve noticed a trend

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:27:34pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Now I have to google monkey sperm bangs, you bastard.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:28:24pm

Also the first time you edit a tweet it should cost you a dollar, then two, four, exponentially like that, resetting at the beginning of each month.

But then I’m kind of a dick like that.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:30:15pm

re: #73 Single-handed sailor

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Now I have to google monkey sperm bangs, you bastard.

You probably shouldn’t.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:34:04pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

You probably shouldn’t.

And never Bing image search with safe search off.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:36:21pm
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sagehen  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:40:09pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Right. She was probably scared. Her word against his and it still is that way. But it shocks me not at all that Trump would victim blame.

She didn’t even tell her family; because she was 15 and she didn’t want them to know she’d been at a party with no chaperones and kids were drinking.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:47:22pm

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2018 • 11:53:03pm

If Kavanaugh withdraws, I just know I’m going to read his bullshit excuses and run amok with a fire axe….

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ckkatz  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:07:34am

re: #76 Single-handed sailor

And never Bing image search with safe search off.

Well… that was… interesting…

Lots of pictures of monkeys… and then a picture of Dana Carvey from Wayne’s World. Which kind of ended that search…

So I guess that I’ll leave you with some T-Rex - Bang A Gong

T. Rex Bang A Gong (Get It On) Live 1971

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:08:01am
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wheat-dogg  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:20:50am

Another member of the Dogg family speaks the truth.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:23:31am

For you history and genealogy buffs:

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:23:38am
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:26:58am
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:28:06am

oops, that was supposed to just be Strange Face of Love. try around 19:00

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:03:50am

re: #13 austin_blue

If the R’s don’t allow the delay of Ford’s testimony until Thursday and try to to push through the nomination on Monday, they’re fucked. If the FBI doesn’t investigate the accusations, like they did with Anita Hill, they’re fucked.

If anything comes of it (and it will), Kavanaugh cannot claim a “high tech lynching” like Thomas did because he’s a privileged white boy.

Here’s my fantasy:

“Were you a member of an organization euphemistically called “Tit and Clit” at Yale?

Was it also assumed that within that organization, a widely held and reported belief, that “No” meant “Yes”, and “Yes” meant “anal”?”

I just want to hear him answer the question. Those were his homeboys.

I would also like him to answer questions about why a law school professor was telling her female students they needed to “look like a model” if they wanted a clerkship with him. I’d say the odds are good that Kavanaugh has been sleeping with a least some of his clerks.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:08:41am

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

Polls open in eSwatini, where king has absolute rule (Goes to Deutsche Welle, more at the link - eSwantini is the new name for Swaziland):

So its pretty much Wakanda, politically.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:24:48am

U.S. Is to Blame for Stalemate in Dialogue

Three months have passed since the DPRK-U.S. summit and talks in Singapore and the adoption of the joint statement. The international community wished the DPRK-U.S. joint statement be implemented successfully, the extreme hostile relations between the DPRK and the U.S. that have been the sharpest confrontation be put to an end as soon as possible and durable peace and security be settle in the Korean peninsula and the region.

The dialogue between the DPRK and the U.S. has been stalemated.

The U.S. is totally to blame for the deadlocked DPRK-U.S. negotiations.

The U.S. is stubbornly insisting on the theory of “dismantlement of nukes first” which was rejected in the past DPRK-U.S. dialogues, saying that other issues may be discussed only after the “complete, verifiable and irretrievable dismantlement of nukes” of the DPRK, while failing to show its will for confidence building including the declaration of the end of war which it had already pledged.

The U.S. is demanding unilateral and gangster-like claim forcing the DPRK to act without showing its movement. The conservative politicians of the U.S. are taking the lead in persisting in such gangster-like logic.

For implementation of the DPRK-U.S. joint statement, the U.S. which is the other side should adopt a sincere approach.

The future of the DPRK-U.S. dialogue totally depends on the stand and action of the U.S.

The U.S. should think twice and have an honest and diligent attitude toward the DPRK-U.S. dialogue with sincerity and bold decision.

And this is also beneficial to the U.S.

Ri Hak Nam

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:51:51am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:55:29am
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:25:02am
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wheat-dogg  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:16:02am

It seems the latest Batman comic was a little too anatomically correct.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:56:11am

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

The fucking balls on this dude I swear!

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:06:04am

re: #38 Ace-o-aces

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That weapon appears to have a shoulder stock….which would be illegal with that radically cut down barrel length on that AR platform. That weapon is essentially a pistol with a shoulder stock, which requires a FFL license.

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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:12:26am

re: #94 wheat-dogg

It seems the latest Batman comic was a little too anatomically correct.

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For what’s worth, I’m responsible for the only erect penis with cum shot ever published in a Marvel book. Can anyone guess where?

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:18:17am

Good morning Lizards,

I can hardly wait to see what form of stupidness awaits us today.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:22:37am

re: #97 Lupin

Why am I thinking the Merc with a Mouth was near this event?

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:32:01am

re: #97 Lupin

For what’s worth, I’m responsible for the only erect penis with cum shot ever published in a Marvel book. Can anyone guess where?

Howard the Duck.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:38:56am

So I see FNC’s new game, you did it too! Complaining about Hirono and DiFi who got campaign money from Senator Carper of Delaware who has since admitted to past domestic abuse.

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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:45:01am

re: #99 Sufficient unto the day…

Why am I thinking the Merc with a Mouth was near this event?

Nope. I;ll give you a hint: it was in an Epic book.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:47:47am

Man a lot can out last night while I binged Atypical. So quick summary if not a problem?

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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:51:15am

re: #100 b.d.(my doppelganger did it)

Here it is in the original version:

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jeffreyw  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:53:55am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:56:12am
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lizardofid  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:56:23am

re: #87 Single-handed sailor

oops, that was supposed to just be Strange Face of Love. try around 19:00

Thanks. This tune from Once Upon a Time in Mexico introduced me to Patricia Vonne (Robert Rodriguez’s sister as it turned out).

Patricia Vonne “Traeme Paz”

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:00:40am

re: #104 Lupin

Here it is in the original version:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:01:41am

So the long and short of it is this guy Whelan tried to insist Christine Ford misremembered her assailant and the guy they tried to make the fall guy was someone she knew well back then?

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:03:07am

More fun and games:

It should have started ten minutes ago, but it was delayed due to power cut at Number 10.

How about that for a metaphor? Action on Europe delayed by a lack of power in Number 10.

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BlueGrl21  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:05:21am

Can I just say as a female and an assault survivor, I love the term “rapey?”

I guarantee you ask what that means to any woman and they will get it immediately. We know what those creeps are. We know they are walking a fine line and have an attitude towards women that is, “Give me the right conditions, I’m getting that.”

Other words around assault have been turned into a joke: snowflake, triggered, safe space. It bothers me when they’re used in a flippant way because I experience all of that. But rapey? Brilliant use of the language.

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:06:01am

re: #106 Alephnaught

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Keep rotting Julian and, if you do see a Russian don’t shake his hand.

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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:07:53am

re: #110 Alephnaught

More fun and games:

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It should have started ten minutes ago, but it was delayed due to power cut at Number 10.

How about that for a metaphor? Action on Europe delayed by a lack of power in Number 10.

May has reached the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:09:23am

re: #113 Lupin

May has reached the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

she is the very model of the modern megalomaniac

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:11:14am

Good Morning from California

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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:12:32am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

she is the very model of the modern megalomaniac

Another malignant narcissist.

The best parody of her is Private Eye’s page where she is supposedly the headmistress of a school & writes her editorials in the school’s newsletter. Hilarious—and yet indistinguishable from the real May.

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:13:06am

re: #113 Lupin

May has reached the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

She’s giving the statement now, and she appears to be doubling down on the future economic relationship situation, saying that the two options are “a bad deal… I have always said no deal is better than a bad deal.”

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Chrysicat  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:14:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:14:50am
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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:16:15am

re: #117 Alephnaught

She’s giving the statement now, and she appears to be doubling down on the future economic relationship situation, saying that the two options are “a bad deal… I have always said no deal is better than a bad deal.”

She is a delusional lunatic. They should put Larry the Cat in charge.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:16:20am

re: #118 Chrysicat

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Yeah this is a well to do area but these guys were really well to do, the sons and daughters of who Kavanaugh is now.Plus wasn’t the drinking age 18 then? Kavanaugh and Judge were 17. Definitely probably going to some places a little out of the way to get some booze possibly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:16:32am

JFC

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:16:46am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

YYr5b3/cqWwGewC1ubiQDNPJlDVRqprnysnEK3FmYlIgj0XFu9uw9FZFM1qw8/h0gjlo2ghZyfKZDUMJcLCPg7KgNik0EPzbx/UxX6WGzqAj2I/RFNx+Uw83RqeCRO/RV80HkaVDcp1Mm2r79gjONnjGK223gJAxOoQga3g3dc/bYl1XRRaz/Ep4LDiTwHPi0sm1MmEOV9GGttWzh07hUD8QhndXlum3qYwEpvW6MUQIcuITOojHFStnuelkLRv6d3LDmeo2zR5cooTKFnyMvV5oDxZVLS7FsxapYs/tIB/0vY1ZTDgXHukMwdQhsY42slbmUt2dwJSO8K645vStWvK0D8IFl5d84EVAL7eLVWc=

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:17:32am

re: #94 wheat-dogg

It seems the latest Batman comic was a little too anatomically correct.

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It’s penis week. Hopefully it ends today.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:18:23am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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Well here he goes. Attacking a 15 year old girl for not immediately calling the cops and making Kavanaugh the real victim. Disgusting but not surprising

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:18:31am

re: #15 Amory Blaine

Blows my mind that about 30 minutes ago this picture was transmitted from 180 million miles away!

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I see the Canadian flag there. Them Canadians…. ;-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:18:33am

re: #118 Chrysicat

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I was in high school 50 years ago…most of us had cars or trucks or *gasp* VW vans.
Steve Lemoine is a weenie

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:19:03am

Morning!

Busy day ahead…all kinds of fires to put out for some clients and an oncoming war with ATT over my phone/intent bill. Grrr.

So, it will be hard to keep up with what appears to be a pretty interesting Friday on the political front. Keep the Lizard coverage coming!

Oh yeah…one more thing. The Cleveland Browns won last night and are now 1-1-1 in their first three games. They aren’t great, but they are young (youngest in NFL), talented and they are feisty.

A good way to start a busy day.

By the way, thanks for the cat butt photo Jeffrey.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:19:37am
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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:20:10am

May:

I will not overturn the result of the referendum nor will I break up my country.

I have no doubt that the Scots will take care of that themselves.

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:21:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:21:33am

re: #130 Lupin

May:

I have no doubt that the Scots will take care of that themselves.

one major argument against independence is that it would have left them stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being accepted ito it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:23:54am

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wake up Theresa I think I got something to say to you
It’s late September and I really should be back in the EU…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:23:55am

Inside Facebook’s Election ‘War Room’
nytimes.com

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:26:09am
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lizardofid  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:26:22am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was in high school 50 years ago…most of us had cars or trucks or *gasp* VW vans.
Steve Lemoine is a weenie

Same here, and looking at my youngest and his friends, there may have actually been a higher percentage of us driving back then. I couldn’t wait to drive. He, less so.

ymmv ;)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:26:45am
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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:27:15am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

one major argument against independence is that it would have left them stranded outside the EU with no guarantee of being accepted ito it.

At this point I only see a last minute cancellation of Brexit or a hard Brexit in store. And in the later case, the Scots will jump ship, and my guess is, with the UK out, the EU will welcome them in. I also think the UK will lose Gibraltar in the process.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:28:55am

re: #138 Lupin

At this point I only see a last minute cancellation of Brexit or a hard Brexit in store. And in the later case, the Scots will jump ship, and my guess is, with the UK out, the EU will welcome them in. I also think the UK will lose Gibraltar in the process.

They should jump ship. The way the Scots were tricked into voting to stay with the EU was sleazy. Sorry Lupin, forgot you were French.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:31:16am

re: #68 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They must have the technology to distinguish changing a letter here or there (like I have to do more often than not) from wholesale changes like that.

The original tweet should be available, and they should provide an indication that it’s been changed. Mabye even a delta feature showing the changes directly.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:33:14am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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I knew he wouldn’t be able to restrain himself.

Also - if it’s down to Trump attacking Professor Ford, Republicans are close to sheer desperation.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:34:58am

re: #89 Big Beautiful Door

So its pretty much Wakanda, politically.

You mean anyone can challenge the king to a fight?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:35:28am

re: #138 Lupin

At this point I only see a last minute cancellation of Brexit or a hard Brexit in store. And in the later case, the Scots will jump ship, and my guess is, with the UK out, the EU will welcome them in. I also think the UK will lose Gibraltar in the process.

that is not given, Spain would not want to set a precedent of a region seceeding and being accepted by the EU (i.e. Catalonia)

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:36:08am

re: #138 Lupin

At this point I only see a last minute cancellation of Brexit or a hard Brexit in store. And in the later case, the Scots will jump ship, and my guess is, with the UK out, the EU will welcome them in. I also think the UK will lose Gibraltar in the process.

Not just Scotland. A hard Brexit would make it more likely that Northern Ireland (which also voted for Remain.) re-unifies with the Republic.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:39:25am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

You’re male privilege is showing, Trump.

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:39:44am

re: #135 Alephnaught

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Was it like this?

May…..”I am quitting so you better kiss my ass and give me everything I want”

EU….”Bye, don’t let the door hit you on the way out”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:40:26am
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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:40:57am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:41:39am

re: #144 Alephnaught

Not just Scotland. A hard Brexit would make it more likely that Northern Ireland (which also voted for Remain.) re-unifies with the Republic.

That’s an ugly van of worms since from what I read about NI leave and stay was largely on sectarian grounds. I hope we don’t see a rebooted Troubles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:41:49am

what a PoS

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:46:02am

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:47:20am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is not given, Spain would not want to set a precedent of a region seceeding and being accepted by the EU (i.e. Catalonia)

There is that, but given the chaos of a hard Brexit, (which can be viewed a extremely messy secession) they might rather have some of the former UK in the EU, rather than all of it out.

Also, the genie was already out of the bottle as regards Catalonia when the government there declared UDI. If Scotland and/or Northern Ireland were to be admitted back in the EU, what are they going to do? Declare UDI even harder?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:47:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:48:54am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:53:01am

Scenario…

Kavanaugh gets confirmed.

Grand Jury indicts him for attempted rape.

Republican Governor Hogan then says he will pardon him for his youthful indiscretion…

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:56:38am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:57:05am

“Her loving parents”

Wait to try and casually pin the blame on her for not telling anyone you malignant orange choad.

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:57:46am

Good point here: PM May’s statement was aimed at a domestic audience. The Conservatives will be meeting for a party conference in just over a week, and if she hadn’t made that statement, that conference would be ugly. (It might be ugly anyway, but still…)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:59:11am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:59:32am

And just last night, we saw a headline about how WH staff were surprised Donny was keeping quiet about Prof. Ford.

That headline aged well…//////

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:02:03am

I mean I remember being that age. It’s a difficult one because physically you’re almost who you are near adulthood but emotionally you’re still a kid. I was the same age as Dr. Ford was when I received my ASD diagnosis fifteen years ago. I was a sophomore. Still very much a scared kid in many ways and definitely reluctant to tell people about that. If I were scared of what people would think of me for having Asperger’s- remember this was the early 2000’s so people weren’t as educated about autism, how the hell do you say “Yes, Brett Kavanaugh, the kid whose mom is a prosecutor attempted to rape me.” Those attacking her decisions in the aftermath. Well let’s just say. I hope to God you or no one you love ever finds themselves in a situation like that.

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mmmirele  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:04:06am

re: #129 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

People talk about details, well, here’s a detail. I didn’t know to tell people, but I was a very angry kid. My assaulter’s mother caught me ripping the wires in his VW Beetle engine compartment one day. I didn’t know much about cars but I knew the Beetle’s engine was in the back because my hippie uncle had one and I was going to town on this guy’s engine. But I couldn’t tell his mom why I was doing it. It was something not discussed in middle-class America at the time.

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jeffreyw  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:05:30am

re: #128 ObserverArt

I live to serve.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:09:36am

You say something then, they say what about his future.
You say something now, they say let the past go.
Ain’t a damn person caring about her present.

And man it’s so fucking true too. All this concern about how Ford is “ruining” his life and “destroying” a “good man.” This is someone who obviously still lives with what happened that day. Kavanaugh and Judge? They probably did what they did. Woke up the next day with hangovers and probably a loose recollection of what happened, laughed it off as no big dealer, and carried on with their lives and probably didn’t think at all about Dr. Ford until she accused him.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:11:31am

The folks who are decrying her for keeping quiet are the same ones who look at stories about preppy college students being accused of rape and whine “What about his future?!”

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Alephnaught  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:12:13am

Hmmm… Is this a signal to the DUP to make up with Sinn Fein and get the Northern Ireland assembly back up and running again?

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BlueGrl21  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:15:33am

As disgusted as I am by all of this bile towards Dr. Ford and everyone saying, “Why didn’t the 15 year-old girl report an attempted rape at a party at a house with underage drinking?”….I want this out. I want people to see this. Because we do not talk about why women don’t report. Everyone assumes the answer is to report and go through the grinder or it never happened and you’re a liar.

Thus, Trump’s tweets.

It happens. We don’t report for a hell of a lot of reasons. I want people to see what happens to women that do.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:18:21am

re: #167 BlueGrl21

Did you read the WaPo article about Amber Wyatt?

Find it. It’s searing.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:21:15am

Morning, Lizards!

So, we decided to go into NYC last night to attend the Feast of St. Gennaro, where we ate just about every type of yummy Italian food and strolled through Little Italy. Lots of fun.

Then I get home and take a quick peek at LGF before bed and see this bullshit ‘the other guy did it’ defense by Ed Whelan. But it took me until just a minute ago to realize that I posted a link to Kathleen Parker’s equally bullshit op-ed from yesterday about a Kavanaugh ‘doppelganger,’ and saw some tweets that Hatch mentioned said bullshit theory in passing a couple of days ago.

This whole story was coordinated by the Kavanaugh, Repubs on the Judiciary Committee, and conservative op-ed spinmeisters at the WaPo. Probably with Trump’s help, given that Kavanaugh has been to the White House for a couple of days running.

But the really surprising thing to me is that all of these supposedly smart people, these conservative thought leaders, thought for a hot minute that any of this would fly.

I can only magine the questions that Harris, Booker, Durbin and Leahy will have lined up for Kavanaugh when he returns for more testimony. If he returns.

And if Ford does decide to come in and testify, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Kavanaugh’s name is suddenly withdrawn from consideration. These mooks fucked it up that badly.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:21:37am

re: #165 Targetpractice

The folks who are decrying her for keeping quiet are the same ones who look at stories about preppy college students being accused of rape and whine “What about his future?!”

“His future!” without giving two damns about her present. It’s fucking rape/attempted not underaged drinking or pot smoking.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:22:52am
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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:23:23am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

“His future!” without giving two damns about her present. It’s fucking rape not underaged drinking or pot smoking.

Not to be pedantic, but attempted rape. Thank god it didn’t get to actual rape.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:23:51am

re: #171 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Seriously. What a fucking dipshit. Sorry that I’m late to this like Makeitstop is. This guy Whelan really stepped in shit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:24:38am

re: #172 MsJ

Not to be pedantic, but attempted rape. Thank god it didn’t get to actual rape.

Oh I know it is in this case but TP was talking about the actual rape cases like that one wrestler where there was all the whining “Well what about his future” but fair enough.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:25:27am

re: #172 MsJ

Not to be pedantic, but attempted rape. Thank god it didn’t get to actual rape.

“Kidnapping” if we want to prosecute him.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:26:35am

re: #175 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“Kidnapping” if we want to prosecute him.

The isolating her, turning up to music, and all that is what really disturbs me. It speaks to motive and knowing right from wrong.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:26:44am
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SteelPH  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:27:12am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

The isolating her, turning up to music, and all that is what really disturbs me. It speaks to motive and knowing right from wrong.

It was premeditated.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:28:29am

re: #178 SteelPH

It was premeditated.

I’m waiting for the next shoe to fall. She can’t have been the only one.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:28:48am

re: #178 SteelPH

It was premeditated.

I think so too. Being drunk doesn’t change that. You don’t lose your entire capacity to reason when you’re drunk.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:28:55am

today’s peevy rant is a takeoff on my general - ‘dont feed the crackpots’ theme

so the republicans are being utter assholes
not just the judiciary committee
others who are weighing in
the evangelicals
the pundits
the helpers
these absurd ideas, explanations, justifications, floorplans?!!….

they are nonsense and everyone, even they, know this
and they know all they have to do is the theater and get through to the last act

my peeve: as opposed to actual crackpots, we - you, me, us, (the sane ones) *have* to give this stuff some legitimacy
we *have* to hear it, read it, analyze it, respond to it, deconstruct and debunk it.

we dont want to
we *shouldn’t* have to
to debase and demote ourselves to this childish, piggish level

and we must

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:30:25am

re: #179 Kilroy was here

I’m waiting for the next shoe to fall. She can’t have been the only one.

The only issue with not being the only one is how she is being treated in public, by elected officials. I cannot imagine another woman wanting to come forward…which is republicanism by design.

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SteelPH  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:30:36am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

I think so too. Being drunk doesn’t change that. You don’t lose your entire capacity to reason when you’re drunk.

Yup. Believe it or not, drunkenness is not how it’s often depicted in fiction.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:31:11am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Seriously. What a fucking dipshit. Sorry that I’m late to this like Makeitstop is. This guy Whelan really stepped in shit.

And from accounts I’m seeing this morning, Whelan actually convinced himself that this asinine theory he cooked up was actually more plausible than Professor Ford’s charges against Kavanaugh.

That’s a textbook definition of how confirmation bias works, for cryin’ out loud.

If Ford was pissed before, she’s going to come into that hearing room loaded for bear. And all of these entitled old men on the Judiciary Committee - Hatch, Grassley, all of them - are going to rue the day they made the calculation that getting Kavanaugh onto the SC was worth attempting to ruin a woman’s life to get it done.

She. Is. Going. To. Lay. Waste. To. Them. And they will deserve it.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:32:22am

re: #182 MsJ

The only issue with not being the only one is how she is being treated in public, by elected officials. I cannot imagine another woman wanting to come forward…which is republicanism by design.

Which is why they are treating her that way. It is a tactic. It would take someone amazing brave to come out now. Lets hope they do.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:32:43am

re: #78 sagehen

She didn’t even tell her family; because she was 15 and she didn’t want them to know she’d been at a party with no chaperones and kids were drinking.

Yes, and at that time, our culture was totally into “you deserved it because you were drinking” or “you deserved it because you were dressed like that” etc ad nauseum.

And the ever-present “boys will be boys” and “his life shouldn’t be ruined over one ‘mistake’” bullshit.

Been fighting this shit since 1970. Will fight this shit until I die.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:33:22am

re: #183 SteelPH

Yup. Believe it or not, drunkenness is not how it’s often depicted in fiction.

Yep. You still know right from wrong. You’re just more likely to do something risky or stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:35:08am

re: #184 makeitstop

And from accounts I’m seeing this morning, Whelan actually convinced himself that this asinine theory he cooked up was actually more plausible than Professor Ford’s charges against Kavanaugh.

That’s a textbook definition of how confirmation bias works, for cryin’ out loud.

If Ford was pissed before, she’s going to come into that hearing room loaded for bear. And all of these entitled old men on the Judiciary Committee - Hatch, Grassley, all of them - are going to rue the day they made the calculation that getting Kavanaugh onto the SC was worth attempting to ruin a woman’s life to get it done.

She. Is. Going. To. Lay. Waste. To. Them. And they will deserve it.

I hope we get a blue lady wave. Old Republican men need to go the fuck away.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:37:42am

re: #144 Alephnaught

Not just Scotland. A hard Brexit would make it more likely that Northern Ireland (which also voted for Remain.) re-unifies with the Republic.

Breaking up the United Kingdom to own the libs!

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:37:58am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

You say something then, they say what about his future.
You say something now, they say let the past go.
Ain’t a damn person caring about her present.

And man it’s so fucking true too. All this concern about how Ford is “ruining” his life and “destroying” a “good man.” This is someone who obviously still lives with what happened that day. Kavanaugh and Judge? They probably did what they did. Woke up the next day with hangovers and probably a loose recollection of what happened, laughed it off as no big dealer, and carried on with their lives and probably didn’t think at all about Dr. Ford until she accused him.

how dare he be accused of a crime he (allegedly) committed

i remind the judge and those supporting him:
no one has a right not to be accused
you prevent that by staying out of situations
if you are accused, you have rights to recourse if the accusation was abusive
otherwise it’s the system - or systems at work
no one has protection from vilification in the media

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:41:30am

The thing really getting at me are the death threats. Death threats from people who only know Kavanaugh as Trump’s pick for SCOTUS and their way of getting an ideological majority on the bench for the next generation. And they see Dr. Ford as getting in the way of that so they threaten her with her life or release info like the coward who doxxed that would make it easier to do so. Honestly, I hope after this either Kavanaugh gets disbarred or he walks away in shame knowing that no one should ever take him seriously in a federal courtroom ever again. But it’s his own damn fault. He did this and never owned up to it and then became a hypocritical self-righteous asshole who also enjoyed spreading the conspiracy bullshit about Vince Foster not because I think he really believed it but because he knew the Clintons would hate it.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:41:57am

re: #83 wheat-dogg

Another member of the Dogg family speaks the truth.

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I’m reading the book “Behave” by Robert Sapolsky. Wonderful informative master work surveying neurobiology. One of the studies he cites showed where up to 40% of “out groups” (e.g., LGBTQ, women, African Americans) show implicit bias against the others of their group when taking an IAT test. In other words, the culture has inculcated within them a negative tendency toward people just like them. Self-hating might be too extreme a descriptor, but definitely conforming to the dominant cultural prejudices. For me, it explained a lot (like former Sheriff Clark and assorted other assholes.) They have internalized the white society prejudices as true.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:44:31am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:45:42am

re: #193 Ace-o-aces

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Either that or somebody finally gave him the Cliff Notes and told him these documents would only expedite the digging of the hole he’s in, rather than being the silver bullet that he was hoping for.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:46:21am

re: #193 Ace-o-aces

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‘I had a stupid idea which would have possibly gotten people killed, and people who actually know how this shit works told me I was a fucking idiot, so now I’m not going to do that stupid thing.’

Moron.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:46:55am

re: #193 Ace-o-aces

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So now instead of celebrating Trump for his awesome transparency, Lumpy will praise him for valuing national security.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:47:41am

So we’re coming up on the 11am EDT mark, which means we start watching to see where the GOP goes with their “deadline” on Prof. Ford’s testimony. Gonna guess they decide to stamp their feet and say that they’re glad she’s willing to testify, but they’re not budging from holding this on Monday and she has to agree to that or they’re moving on.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:48:29am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

So now instead of celebrating Trump for his awesome transparency, Lumpy will praise him for valuing national security.

Maybe, one day, Hannity will praise Trump for being convicted of collusion with Russia as proof of how great America is.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:49:02am

Greetings, Lizards.

I am a (very long time) lurker. So long ago, I remember when some people described LGF as a “right wing hate site” lol. I had an account but it seemed to get locked - perhaps due to non-use. Having recently changed countries and work I have a new email with which to register. I often lurk and recognise some of your names though you do not know me. I hope that is not too creepy.

I read a lot but am not a prolific commenter. I am not a supporter of Trump, though that is of little value as I am British.

Nice to meet you. I’ll get the beers in.

K

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:49:20am

re: #198 Belafon

Maybe, one day, Hannity will praise Trump for being convicted of collusion with Russia as proof of how great America is.

From his neighboring jail cell to Trump? :)

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:50:55am

re: #199 Curious Lifeform

Greetings, Lizards.

I am a (very long time) lurker. So long ago, I remember when some people described LGF as a “right wing hate site” lol. I had an account but it seemed to get locked - perhaps due to non-use. Having recently changed countries and work I have a new email with which to register. I often lurk and recognise some of your names though you do not know me. I hope that is not too creepy.

I read a lot but am not a prolific commenter. I am not a supporter of Trump, though that is of little value as I am British.

Nice to meet you. I’ll get the beers in.

K

Welcome! Hold one of those beers for me, I gotta run out for a bit.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:51:55am

re: #199 Curious Lifeform

Greetings, Lizards.

I am a (very long time) lurker. So long ago, I remember when some people described LGF as a “right wing hate site” lol. I had an account but it seemed to get locked - perhaps due to non-use. Having recently changed countries and work I have a new email with which to register. I often lurk and recognise some of your names though you do not know me. I hope that is not too creepy.

I read a lot but am not a prolific commenter. I am not a supporter of Trump, though that is of little value as I am British.

Nice to meet you. I’ll get the beers in.

K

Welcome, Curious Lifeform! I’ll have a porter, tyvm.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:54:11am

OK, I can already see using CL as an abbreviation for a user may get confusing from here on, as in “I was CL’d downstairs.” Old-timers, be careful!

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:54:51am
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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:56:00am

re: #195 makeitstop

‘I had a stupid idea which would have possibly gotten people killed, and people who actually know how this shit works told me I was a fucking idiot, so now I’m not going to do that stupid thing.’

Moron.

like trump would give a shit about getting people killed…unless it was himself.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:56:56am

re: #203 wheat-dogg

OK, I can already see using CL as an abbreviation for a user may get confusing from here on, as in “I was CL’d downstairs.” Old-timers, be careful!

You gotta learn the secret handshake to be a member.

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:56:57am

re: #189 Ace-o-aces

Breaking up the United Kingdom to own the libs!

I think the Scots may well consider a new independence referendum as Brexit has significantly changed the situation for them, and I would not begrudge them this, and I would understand completely if they vote to go with Europe, and wish them well.

I would feel the same for Northern Ireland, but I believe for historical/emotional reasons, any referendum to detach from the UK and unite with the Republic will fail. The great majority of NI are staunch unionists. I of course may be wrong in this prediction!

K

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:57:01am

re: #199 Curious Lifeform

Welcome!

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:58:46am

re: #207 Curious Lifeform

I think the Scots may well consider a new independence referendum as Brexit has significantly changed the situation for them, and I would not begrudge them this, and I would understand completely if they vote to go with Europe, and wish them well.

I would feel the same for Northern Ireland, but I believe for historical/emotional reasons, any referendum to detach from the UK and unite with the Republic will fail. The great majority of NI are staunch unionists. I of course may be wrong in this prediction!

K

Do you see another referendum happening?

I am hoping they don’t blow their own brains out, but man, there is not a single leader in the UK worthy of title Leader.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 7:58:57am

re: #199 Curious Lifeform

Greetings, Lizards.

I am a (very long time) lurker. So long ago, I remember when some people described LGF as a “right wing hate site” lol. I had an account but it seemed to get locked - perhaps due to non-use. Having recently changed countries and work I have a new email with which to register. I often lurk and recognise some of your names though you do not know me. I hope that is not too creepy.

I read a lot but am not a prolific commenter. I am not a supporter of Trump, though that is of little value as I am British.

Nice to meet you. I’ll get the beers in.

K

differing perspectives are always welcome

as a long time lurker you know not to tip your hand too soon regarding pizza, right?

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Curious Lifeform  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:00:23am

Thank you for your welcomes! I’m trying to remember the order, one delayed Ale, one Porter, some kind of cocktail called “Secret Handshake”, anything else?

CL was Curious Lurker right? Oh dear that is quite close, maybe I can change my “show” name.

K

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:00:26am

re: #204 MsJ

More likely the stuff trump the moron wanted to declassify would have been worse for trump than doing nothing. trump is not a deep thinker and both he and republicans (nunes MEMO!) have proven to hurt them more than help (especially since proven as false). They are all morons.

iow - he shot off his mouth without reading the stuff first

a great quality in a president

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wheat-dogg  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:02:58am

re: #211 Curious Lifeform

Thank you for your welcomes! I’m trying to remember the order, one delayed Ale, one Porter, some kind of cocktail called “Secret Handshake”, anything else?

CL was Curious Lurker right? Oh dear that is quite close, maybe I can change my “show” name.

K

She was, and was well known for posting her usual well thought out comments at the end of “dead” threads. Thus, the term “CL’d” for posting something just as a new thread was aborned.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:05:26am
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Curious Lifeform  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:05:43am

re: #209 MsJ

Do you see another referendum happening?

I am hoping they don’t blow their own brains out, but man, there is not a single leader in the UK worthy of title Leader.

At the moment, no. There is gradually more noise being made about it, though, from gradually more serious voices. I think it is too late to change course now, as crazy-stubborn as that seems.

Even if there were another referendum, I’m not sure it would swing the other way anyway. I need to sign off now - sorry for the quick intro & go. Happy to discuss more next week. Sorry also for going off-topic.

Have a nice weekend!

K

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:06:03am

re: #212 dangerman

iow - he shot off his mouth without reading the stuff first

a great quality in a president

Which is typical. Has he ever NOT done that?

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:07:13am

re: #215 Curious Lifeform

At the moment, no. There is gradually more noise being made about it, though, from gradually more serious voices. I think it is too late to change course now, as crazy-stubborn as that seems.

Even if there were another referendum, I’m not sure it would swing the other way anyway. I need to sign off now - sorry for the quick intro & go. Happy to discuss more next week. Sorry also for going off-topic.

Have a nice weekend!

K

Have a great weekend yourself! Looking forward to your perspectives.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:18:41am

Seems be a growing suspicion on Twitter that prominent wingnuts knew about Whelan’s planned self-immolation yesterday. That they either knew he was about say something or knew he was going to put his theory out there, but didn’t know he was going to throw an innocent man under the bus. Now they’re all trying to scramble to put distance between them and him as he tries to bullshit people into believing it was all a mistake.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:19:39am

re: #215 Curious Lifeform

At the moment, no. There is gradually more noise being made about it, though, from gradually more serious voices. I think it is too late to change course now, as crazy-stubborn as that seems.

Even if there were another referendum, I’m not sure it would swing the other way anyway. I need to sign off now - sorry for the quick intro & go. Happy to discuss more next week. Sorry also for going off-topic.

Have a nice weekend!

K

Tinkety tonk, old fruit, and down with the Nazis!

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:22:15am

re: #218 Targetpractice

Seems be a growing suspicion on Twitter that prominent wingnuts knew about Whelan’s planned self-immolation yesterday. That they either knew he was about say something or knew he was going to put his theory out there, but didn’t know he was going to throw an innocent man under the bus. Now they’re all trying to scramble to put distance between them and him as he tries to bullshit people into believing it was all a mistake.

Kabuki theater designed to give the GOP cover in claiming that no matter what Dr. Ford says, they’ll confirm anyways, because there’s just enough doubt out there that we can say she was assaulted, but not by whom.

It’s all bulkshit from the GOP. They want Kavanaugh on the bench to fulfill his role as tipping the court to the GOP for decades to come. That’s all that matters. Even those so-called principled GOPers who think that Kavanaugh is compromised are going along with it - including McConnell. Why? Because if Kavanaugh withdraws now, there’s no time before the midterms to ram through another nominee and then we’re into the lame duck when it’s quite possible that Democrats retake the Senate and gain a majority in the House.

That’s another backdrop to the fact that Trump keeps throwing a shutdown threat out there, which would only help the Democrats.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:25:01am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

She was, and was well known for posting her usual well thought out comments at the end of “dead” threads. Thus, the term “CL’d” for posting something just as a new thread was aborned.

i used to read redstate - no userid, lurking only
to keep an eye on….
it wasnt easy
i stopped around 3 or 4 years ago - it became pointless

their comments were threaded more like disqus than the lgf format

there was a poster who would regularly make a comment, then almost immediately reply to himself because he thought of something else

the practice became a verb - to kowalski

he posted there for years. a more or less reasonable voice
they eventually drove him away

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:25:34am

re: #218 Targetpractice

Seems be a growing suspicion on Twitter that prominent wingnuts knew about Whelan’s planned self-immolation yesterday. That they either knew he was about say something or knew he was going to put his theory out there, but didn’t know he was going to throw an innocent man under the bus. Now they’re all trying to scramble to put distance between them and him as he tries to bullshit people into believing it was all a mistake.

Ethics!

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:26:57am

re: #220 lawhawk

Kabuki theater designed to give the GOP cover in claiming that no matter what Dr. Ford says, they’ll confirm anyways, because there’s just enough doubt out there that we can say she was assaulted, but not by whom.

It’s all bulkshit from the GOP. They want Kavanaugh on the bench to fulfill his role as tipping the court to the GOP for decades to come. That’s all that matters. Even those so-called principled GOPers who think that Kavanaugh is compromised are going along with it - including McConnell. Why? Because if Kavanaugh withdraws now, there’s no time before the midterms to ram through another nominee and then we’re into the lame duck when it’s quite possible that Democrats retake the Senate and gain a majority in the House.

That’s another backdrop to the fact that Trump keeps throwing a shutdown threat out there, which would only help the Democrats.

Ayep:

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:27:28am

re: #216 MsJ

Which is typical. Has he ever NOT done that?

clearly he doesnt like to work in general and doesnt read much of anything at all

in this particular case he doesnt even have the presence of mind to say to himself, i could just check and see what might hurt me before i open my mouth

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:28:08am

re: #212 dangerman

iow - he shot off his mouth without reading the stuff first

a great quality in a president

He doesn’t read anything. He was probably just regurgitating what some of his friends on Fox advised.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:29:50am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:29:57am

Says the people who made a campaign issue out of an accusation that Obama ate dog when he was living abroad as a teen.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:31:11am

re: #203 wheat-dogg

OK, I can already see using CL as an abbreviation for a user may get confusing from here on, as in “I was CL’d downstairs.” Old-timers, be careful!

I don’t even know what CL stands for!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:31:25am

take a seat moron and STFU

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:31:37am

By the way, the argument that Brett Kavanaugh must be innocent because he’s such a “decent guy” now is like the neighbor expressing shock that he was living next to a serial killer because “He was always nice to me!”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:32:36am
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:32:54am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

She was, and was well known for posting her usual well thought out comments at the end of “dead” threads. Thus, the term “CL’d” for posting something just as a new thread was aborned.

Okay, that makes sense. I couldn’t figure out why CL was being used as I had always know that to be short for Curious Lurker. Oh, how I miss her.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:34:30am

re: #224 dangerman

clearly he doesnt like to work in general and doesnt read much of anything at all

in this particular case he doesnt even have the presence of mind to say to himself, i could just check and see what might hurt me before i open my mouth

I don’t think trump has the presence of mind to do so. I think he is so addled that he really doesn’t realize that he says contradictory (and harmful to himself) stuff minute by minute, day after day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:35:15am
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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:35:50am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

“His future!” without giving two damns about her present. It’s fucking rape/attempted not underaged drinking or pot smoking.

Pot smoking is much worse than rape.

Ask Jeff Sessions.

In fact, pot smoking leads to this very type of debauchery.

If pot was eliminated, rape would be too, along with so many other bad activities like rock ‘n’ roll, gay sex, lack of church attendance, pornography, abortion and liberalism!

(need I /)

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:36:19am

re: #230 Targetpractice

By the way, the argument that Brett Kavanaugh must be innocent because he’s such a “decent guy” now is like the neighbor expressing shock that he was living next to a serial killer because “He was always nice to me!”

“He was always a quiet guy.”

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:37:56am

re: #236 MsJ

“He was always a quiet guy.”

And then the neighborhood dogs started disappearing …

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jeffreyw  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:38:21am

re: #203 wheat-dogg

OK, I can already see using CL as an abbreviation for a user may get confusing from here on, as in “I was CL’d downstairs.” Old-timers, be careful!

Long ago and far away there was a blog where a user with a name that abbreviated to EPU had the habit of leaving wordy comments on a dead thread and so “to be EPU’d” carried the exact same message.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:38:57am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s looking pretty clear that the only think Ed Whelon did wrong was he sprang the “trap” way too early. That he was supposed to wait until the day before or day of the hearing to throw this shit out there so the Senate GOP could say “Well, how about it, Prof. Ford? Could you be mistaken?”

Now? Now she’s gonna come loaded for bear and Kavanaugh is gonna have to answer if he knew about this “revelation” because of his relationship with the men involved.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:38:58am
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:39:09am

re: #227 Targetpractice

After listing reasons to doubt Kavanaugh’s accuser, Bauer says even women “shouldn’t want a country where after a lifetime of decency, the man in your life can be ruined by someone getting up and saying ‘36 years ago, he did this to me.’”

Says the people who made a campaign issue out of an accusation that Obama ate dog when he was living abroad as a teen.

the flaw in that logic is the bold
if the accusation is true, then he just didnt get caught
he did not live a ‘lifetime of decency’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:40:00am

re: #237 Eventual Carrion

And then the neighborhood dogs started disappearing …

initially, the neighborhood cats were blamed with no evidence to support the charges…

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:40:53am

re: #233 MsJ

I don’t think trump has the presence of mind to do so. I think he is so addled that he really doesn’t realize that he says contradictory (and harmful to himself) stuff minute by minute, day after day.

yup
another thing that gives me just all sorts of confidence and comfort in this president

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:41:25am

re: #241 dangerman

the flaw in that logic is the bold
if the accusation is true, then he just didnt get caught
he did not live a ‘lifetime of decency’

Precisely. This is a man who has enjoyed some measure of protection through his adult life, whether it was an assistant DA mom, a college that is deeply protective of its reputation, a boss that was feeling up clerks in his chambers and keeping it quiet, or political patrons who now want to put him atop the highest court in the land.

If he’s a good man with a clean record, then he should be the first pushing for the matter to be cleared up, not in total denial while his patrons do the heavy lifting of destroying his accuser.

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SteelPH  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:43:03am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

She was, and was well known for posting her usual well thought out comments at the end of “dead” threads. Thus, the term “CL’d” for posting something just as a new thread was aborned.

I still miss her. :(

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austin_blue  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:43:11am

re: #144 Alephnaught

Not just Scotland. A hard Brexit would make it more likely that Northern Ireland (which also voted for Remain.) re-unifies with the Republic.

Will the Leeks be far behind?

(Pardon the obscure reference).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:44:24am

BTW, today’s Google doodle is a salute to Mr Rogers

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:44:47am

re: #195 makeitstop

‘I had a stupid idea which would have possibly gotten people killed, and people who actually know how this shit works told me I was a fucking idiot, so now I’m not going to do that stupid thing.’

Moron.

But he didn’t do anything wrong and still made a great decision that only people with really great brains would make.

He’s better than all the people in the Justice Department. They should be happy they were able to get to agree with Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:47:27am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:49:47am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“We’ve got him under control, which is why he hasn’t said any….”

“SHE’S A LYING SLUT!!!”

“…that was totally by design.”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:50:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:52:38am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:53:20am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They don’t ask the question because they know the answer would be “Yes, we do.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:54:13am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:54:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:55:17am

coming up in a few minutes:

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:56:45am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:57:04am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My guess is that DiFi was hoping that a couple of her GOP colleagues (hint: Lisa and Susan) would have sufficient ethics to come out against the nomination because they could see what Kavanaugh would do once on the court; unfortunately, of course, no current GOP member of the Senate or House has any backbone or loyalty to this nation; it’s all party over country.

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austin_blue  Sep 21, 2018 • 8:57:39am

re: #199 Curious Lifeform

Greetings, Lizards.

I am a (very long time) lurker. So long ago, I remember when some people described LGF as a “right wing hate site” lol. I had an account but it seemed to get locked - perhaps due to non-use. Having recently changed countries and work I have a new email with which to register. I often lurk and recognise some of your names though you do not know me. I hope that is not too creepy.

I read a lot but am not a prolific commenter. I am not a supporter of Trump, though that is of little value as I am British.

Nice to meet you. I’ll get the beers in.

K

Welcome! And make mine a Wee Heavy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:00:20am

orbitol eye socket fracture!

actually, a very interesting thread that starts with this:

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:00:22am

re: #260 goddamnedfrank

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ETHICS

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:00:34am

re: #244 Targetpractice

Precisely. This is a man who has enjoyed some measure of protection through his adult life, whether it was an assistant DA mom, a college that is deeply protective of its reputation, a boss that was feeling up clerks in his chambers and keeping it quiet, or political patrons who now want to put him atop the highest court in the land.

If he’s a good man with a clean record, then he should be the first pushing for the matter to be cleared up, not in total denial while his patrons do the heavy lifting of destroying his accuser.

double precisely

(again assuming it’s true)
he has never been called to account for this particular event
that she never reported it was his good luck - her ‘choice’, his benefit
he’s being called to account now - no, not necessarily ‘legally’
to address: this never happened, she’s a liar. or it did. (i dont care about his excuses or explanations)

whether or not he was a model citizen the day after that day and up through today is an entirely separate issue
which apparently he may not have been anyway

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:01:11am

re: #199 Curious Lifeform

Greetings, Lizards.

I am a (very long time) lurker. So long ago, I remember when some people described LGF as a “right wing hate site” lol. I had an account but it seemed to get locked - perhaps due to non-use. Having recently changed countries and work I have a new email with which to register. I often lurk and recognise some of your names though you do not know me. I hope that is not too creepy.

I read a lot but am not a prolific commenter. I am not a supporter of Trump, though that is of little value as I am British.

Nice to meet you. I’ll get the beers in.

K

So you were lurking well before I ever started my lurk! Welcome to the team.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:03:13am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mitch you arrogant ass.

I so want Kavanaugh to crash and burn now just so McConnell has to eat a nice big plate of crow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:04:03am

PROOF THAT GUN LAWS ARE USELESS!!11!!

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:04:35am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

…Kavanaugh will be on the United States Supreme Court… Don’t get rattled by all of this. We’re gonna plow right through it and do our job.”

my question to mitch:

if this is ‘doing your job’ what were you doing wrt Merrick Garland?
cause im gonna suspect “not your job”

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:05:25am

re: #258 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Opposing a kidnapper, and attempted rapist is now considered “radical-left” by the deranged-right.

exactly what i meant up here:

re: #181 dangerman

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retired cynic  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:05:37am

re: #254 Hecuba’s daughter

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:06:01am

re: #269 dangerman

my question to mitch:

if this is ‘doing your job’ what were you doing wrt Merrick Garland?
cause im gonna suspect “not your job”

He was doing his job just not the one he was elected for.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:06:03am

re: #269 dangerman

my question to mitch:

if this is ‘doing your job’ what were you doing wrt Merrick Garland?
cause im gonna suspect “not your job”

Sure he was. He views his job as pleasing his base. His base didn’t want Merrick Garland, so his job was to spike that nomination and leave the “Scalia seat” open for a far-right thug.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:08:59am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:11:08am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kavanaugh isn’t a good man. He’s an amoral partisan creep who was willing to shift suspicion to an innocent man to save his ass.

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Lupin  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:11:45am

If we get a majority in the the Chamber, I’d like a redo of the Samuel Chase impeachment (1804) for Kavanaugh. Even if gets acquitted in the Senate, it’ll be fun.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:12:02am

White America this is the real swamp that needs drained.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:12:09am

re: #269 dangerman

my question to mitch:

if this is ‘doing your job’ what were you doing wrt Merrick Garland?
cause im gonna suspect “not your job”

His job was to pack the courts with right wing extremists. That meant denying Garland a hearing or vote. He did so by inventing baffling BS claim that you can’t hold either during the lame duck years of a presidency. Let’s just ignore that John Marshall (yeah that John Marshall) was a lame duck appointment by Adams during the lame duck session of the Senate before Jefferson was inaugurated. From the get-go, elections were not the prohibiting factor preventing hearings or votes.

But this GOP has destroyed comity and ignore 200 years of precedent to claim you can’t hold hearings or a vote except when it’s in support of getting an accused sex predator on the Supreme Court to give the GOP functional control of the court’s ideological outlook for the next 20-30 years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:13:00am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:13:28am

The whole “He’s a good man, judge him on who he’s become!” bit doesn’t suggest that Senate Republicans believe he’s innocent. You don’t try to argue that a “good man” has become so after an illegal act if you believe that illegal act never happened.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:14:25am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No shit, how many times did we hear reports that he had the votes to kill the ACA?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:14:29am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:16:11am

So it’s now noon EDT and still no new news about next week’s hearing since the report last night that Prof. Ford’s lawyer has relaying some requests including moving the hearing to next Thursday.

My guess is they’re working on a way to spin the refusal to move the hearing after days of telling the press they’d do what made her “comfortable.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:17:44am
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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:19:22am

re: #265 dangerman

double precisely

(again assuming it’s true)
he has never been called to account for this particular event
that she never reported it was his good luck - her ‘choice’, his benefit
he’s being called to account now - no, not necessarily ‘legally’
to address: this never happened, she’s a liar. or it did. (i dont care about his excuses or explanations)

whether or not he was a model citizen the day after that day and up through today is an entirely separate issue
which apparently he may not have been anyway

His desire for a certain type of model-like female law clerks gives me the impression that his “model citizenry” never was and unlikely ever will be.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:19:28am

re: #265 dangerman

double precisely

(again assuming it’s true)
he has never been called to account for this particular event
that she never reported it was his good luck - her ‘choice’, his benefit
he’s being called to account now - no, not necessarily ‘legally’
to address: this never happened, she’s a liar. or it did. (i dont care about his excuses or explanations)

whether or not he was a model citizen the day after that day and up through today is an entirely separate issue
which apparently he may not have been anyway

The term “model citizen” seems to be limited to one’s personal behavior. IMHO, that is too restrictive: one’s professional involvement should also be considered. In judicial ruling after ruling, Kavanaugh has shown himself to be heartless and cruel to those who have less power. His disgraceful handling of the 17 year old pregnant immigrant should have disqualified him from consideration for this post, but we know that it’s his outrageous expansive interpretation on the power of the executive branch that led to his nomination.

Kavanaugh is not a model citizen if you base your views on the democracy we were before Trump’s election; of course, if you believe that NK adoring citizenry comprise model citizens, he probably fits that definition.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:19:37am

Cohen is busy testifying to Mueller these days, as is Manafort, so these financial deals are getting the scrutiny they deserve.

None of this is good news for Trump, who’d rather do word salad campaign rallies with Fox agitprop experts (and Cohen client #3) like Hannity in attendance.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:20:09am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:25:33am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:27:14am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They’re exactly who we thought they are.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:29:30am

re: #278 lawhawk

re: #273 Targetpractice

re: #272 HappyWarrior

kids, you’re taking all the fun out of this
of course I know this
everyone does

i want mitch to try and answer the question

if “plowing’, “ramming” pushing through a nominee -
- on a totally artifical timeline
- as fast as possible
- without a deliberative review of documentational history
- and now the Ford allegation
is you saying this is just “doing your job”…
how is it you, the guy in charge, was unable to get merrick garland to even step one?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:31:33am

re: #289 goddamnedfrank

Do you think he really wrote that post? It’s far too grammatical. Or was he just repeating what he heard on Fox?

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sagehen  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:31:56am

re: #223 Targetpractice

Ayep:

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hey, wouldja look at that… Values Voters AGAIN scheduled their wingnut theocrat conference to take place during the Jewish High Holidays.

Every year. Every damn year. So they can say whatever they want about Israel without any actual Jews in the room.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:33:33am

Now that I’ve thought about it, I expect Grassley and Hatch will keep to script: “It’s not fair that Judge Kavanuagh has to wait! We’re going to have this hearing on Monday and she either shows up or we vote!”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:34:06am
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:34:47am

re: #287 Hecuba’s daughter

The term “model citizen” seems to be limited to one’s personal behavior. IMHO, that is too restrictive: one’s professional involvement should also be considered. In judicial ruling after ruling, Kavanaugh has shown himself to be heartless and cruel to those who have less power. His disgraceful handling of the 17 year old pregnant immigrant should have disqualified him from consideration for this post, but we know that it’s his outrageous expansive interpretation on the power of the executive branch that led to his nomination.

Kavanaugh is not a model citizen if you base your views on the democracy we were before Trump’s election; of course, if you believe that NK adoring citizenry comprise model citizens, he probably fits that definition.

i am not arguing or disagreeing
in my mind i have separated personal character from professional character from jurisprudence history and future

for a seat on the supreme court you necessarily (ought to) have to pass all of them (theres other stuff too)
even though the order that this information comes out is not always linear

he does not even pass the personal character test. the rest is now irrelevant.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:35:03am

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

Do you think he really wrote that post? It’s far too grammatical. Or was he just repeating what he heard on Fox?

THAT that thing was ever drafted is an abomination, whether he wrote it or for it from Fox.

Demanding time and place and proof from a likely terrified 15 year old in a time that “all good fun” and “she was asking for it” was the remedy?

GRRRRRRRRRRR.

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Done Ben Wrote  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:35:32am

The “she should have gone to the police when it happened” completely ignore the fact that Kavanaugh’s mother was a DA at the time.

If Ford went to the police, would they have even bothered investigating, knowing that Mumsy would never allow her darling boy to be prosecuted? You don’t spend more per year on your child’s education than most Americans spend on their house only to have his future be jeopardized by some little slut (the common view of women that were raped) that likely wanted his attention.

And if your daughter tells you about the attack, do you bring it up, knowing that the police could well ingratiate themselves with Mumsy by making your life hell with constant traffic stops or citations? You know your daughter’s life would be examined in minute detail, what she wore, what she drank, any parties that she attended, her grades, her friends, and all of this would become public knowledge.

Worth doing? Probably not.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:37:33am

Some people (cough cough Corner Stone) at Balloon Juice have gone full throttle nihilism and are hoping the middle school teacher who signed the letter for Kavanaugh also gets wrecked as a result of this. One commenter hoped he would lose his house, wife and kids because he signed the letter supporting Kavanaugh and fuck him he deserves to burn.

I can’t do this. I cannot be with people who are going to be this consumed by hatred that a middle school teacher being nice to a buddy from three decades ago is fair game for destruction and opprobrium.

I think I flounced.

That is a fucked up thing to agree with.

Teachers are not the target here, and we shouldn’t stand by and let them be targets. He isn’t a goddamned K Street player. He is an Atlanta middle school teacher who has to deal with 8th grade kids and correct their homework tonight while this shit is going on around him.

By the way, signing onto a letter for a friend from 30 years ago is usually seen as a social nicety. Nobody takes it seriously and nobody puts any weight on it.

Whatever screwed up version of morals you have subscribed to, being nice to your high school buddy from 3 decades past in no fucking way merits this kind of bullshit and we should be ashamed for even entertaining the notion that it ever would!!!

I have been at this site since 2006, and if that is the way we are going to play now, I’m done. I want nothing to do with this kind of thinking.

We cannot let ourselves become the enemy we are fighting. I refuse to go down that path.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:37:36am

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

Do you think he really wrote that post? It’s far too grammatical. Or was he just repeating what he heard on Fox?

It’s ridiculously tone deaf, cruel, counter productive, contains inappropriate capitalization and his aides have reportedly been desperately attempting to prevent exactly this kind of unhinged bullshit. Trump definitely wrote it himself.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:38:08am

re: #293 Hecuba’s daughter

Do you think he really wrote that post? It’s far too grammatical. Or was he just repeating what he heard on Fox?

Does it matter? It’s in his name.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:38:49am

re: #271 retired cynic

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:39:23am

re: #300 Scottish Dragon

Some people (cough cough Corner Stone) at Balloon Juice have gone full throttle nihilism and are hoping the middle school teacher who signed the letter for Kavanaugh also gets wrecked as a result of this. One commenter hoped he would lose his house, wife and kids because he signed the letter supporting Kavanaugh and fuck him he deserves to burn.

I can’t do this. I cannot be with people who are going to be this consumed by hatred that a middle school teacher being nice to a buddy from three decades ago is fair game for destruction and opprobrium.

I think I flounced.

We cannot let ourselves become the enemy we are fighting. I refuse to go down that path.

I’m with you. He doesn’t deserve to get his life ruined.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:40:20am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He could write the briefing.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:42:03am

re: #299 Done Ben Wrote

The “she should have gone to the police when it happened” completely ignore the fact that Kavanaugh’s mother was a DA at the time.

If Ford went to the police, would they have even bothered investigating, knowing that Mumsy would never allow her darling boy to be prosecuted? You don’t spend more per year on your child’s education than most Americans spend on their house only to have his future be jeopardized by some little slut (the common view of women that were raped) that likely wanted his attention.

And if your daughter tells you about the attack, do you bring it up, knowing that the police could well ingratiate themselves with Mumsy by making your life hell with constant traffic stops or citations? You know your daughter’s life would be examined in minute detail, what she wore, what she drank, any parties that she attended, her grades, her friends, and all of this would become public knowledge.

Worth doing? Probably not.

With doing NOW? Probably not… Considering what she’s dealing with.

We’re externally damned if we do and internally damned if we don’t.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:42:12am

re: #296 goddamnedfrank

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Correct. Hatch goes on TV a few days ago stating that Dr. Ford might be “mixed up”, and then this crazy, albeit very detailed, tweetstorm from Whelan magically appears? Total coincidence. Sure, right.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:44:04am

re: #307 Mike Lamb

Correct. Hatch goes on TV a few days ago stating that Dr. Ford might be “mixed up”, and then this crazy, albeit very detailed, tweetstorm from Whelan magically appears? Total coincidence. Sure, right.

Reeks of a coordinated effort. Now those people should get their lives ruined here not the teacher buddy.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:44:06am

re: #300 Scottish Dragon

Some people (cough cough Corner Stone) at Balloon Juice have gone full throttle nihilism and are hoping the middle school teacher who signed the letter for Kavanaugh also gets wrecked as a result of this. One commenter hoped he would lose his house, wife and kids because he signed the letter supporting Kavanaugh and fuck him he deserves to burn.

I can’t do this. I cannot be with people who are going to be this consumed by hatred that a middle school teacher being nice to a buddy from three decades ago is fair game for destruction and opprobrium.

I think I flounced.

We cannot let ourselves become the enemy we are fighting. I refuse to go down that path.

I think it kind of matters how Garrett responds to this betrayal and if it shakes him out of his ill advised, reflexive support for Kavanaugh. I’ve known a few white male conservative ain’t shit middle school teachers and so I’m not in a rush to defend Garrett until he shows signs of internally connecting his own victimization with Ford’s and realizes how stupid it was to weigh in on something that he, at best, knew nothing about.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:44:30am

It must be Friday

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Ferdinand  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:46:37am

re: #300 Scottish Dragon

Gave you a +1 for your morals. I’m a lurker mostly in the same circles as you (here, BJ, Dreher in the past) and I hope you’d also agree that John Cole and co. are solid guidance who will likely prevent BJ from going full-on “burn them all down”. So weird to watch these site communities, for me since the early aughts.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:47:39am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

take a seat moron and STFU

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“Let her testify, or not…”

Whatever, who cares, fuck this lady and fuck the rest of you too.

God I hate this President.

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retired cynic  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:48:02am

re: #303 Hecuba’s daughter

I just am not sure what comment you are referring to. Sorry! I’ve been in and out more than usual over the last couple of weeks. Brain not in gear today, either!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:50:09am

Well, I guess people should stop fishing down stream, for around a generation

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:50:47am

If one of my close friends, let alone some random dude I went to high school with gets accused of attempted rape the absolute fucking best I have for them is “I really hope you didn’t do it.” This is what attenuates my empathy for Garrett, he put his name on the line to defend Kavanaugh and then got burned.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:51:35am

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

I think it kind of matters how Garrett responds to this betrayal and if it shakes him out of his ill advised, reflexive support for Kavanaugh. I’ve known a few white male conservative ain’t shit middle school teachers and so I’m not in a rush to defend Garrett until he shows signs of internally connecting his own victimization with Ford’s and realizes how stupid it was to weigh in on something that he, at best, knew nothing about.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:51:42am

Much like the letter of 65 women who swear Brett Kavanaugh never raped them, Whelon’s sudden “revelation” reeks of something that was coordinated with an eye towards discrediting any potential accusers.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:53:08am

re: #315 goddamnedfrank

If one of my close friends, let alone some random dude I went to high school with gets accused of attempted rape the absolute fucking best I have for them is “I really hope you didn’t do it.” This is what attenuates my empathy for Garrett, he put his name on the line to defend Kavanaugh and then got burned.

As we’ve heard numerous times in recent days, people know that one person they thought was a good man…right up until the cops were dragging them off in handcuffs for heinous crimes. Then it’s “He was always nice to me” and people sitting around to “connect the dots.”

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:54:13am

re: #295 Targetpractice

Now that I’ve thought about it, I expect Grassley and Hatch will keep to script: “It’s not fair that Judge Kavanuagh has to wait! We’re going to have this hearing on Monday and she either shows up or we vote!”

does the day of the week she testifies change the facts?

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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:55:20am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, I guess people should stop fishing down stream, for around a generation

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Clearly, there is too much regulation.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:55:34am

re: #298 MsJ

THAT that thing was ever drafted is an abomination, whether he wrote it or for it from Fox.

Demanding time and place and proof from a likely terrified 15 year old in a time that “all good fun” and “she was asking for it” was the remedy?

GRRRRRRRRRRR.

You are absolutely right. His statement is ridiculous on its face — She would not have thought to report it to the police in any case since she managed to escape physical (not psychological) harm because Kavanaugh was too drunk. Girls often thought they were the ones to blame when attacked, especially in cases like this, where they were attending an underage drinking party without their parents’ knowledge or approval.

I can be overly pedantic — I was not excusing Trump but was wondering if it was some other deplorable on the team (Stephen Miller e.g.) who was responsible for the text itself.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:56:19am
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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:56:20am

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

I think it kind of matters how Garrett responds to this betrayal and if it shakes him out of his ill advised, reflexive support for Kavanaugh. I’ve known a few white male conservative ain’t shit middle school teachers and so I’m not in a rush to defend Garrett until he shows signs of internally connecting his own victimization with Ford’s and realizes how stupid it was to weigh in on something that he, at best, knew nothing about.

He signed a letter that his buddy from thirty years ago was a good guy. Typical shit we all do at some point in our lives, and almost none of us go to that friend and interrogate him or her on where the skeletons are buried under what closet before we sign.

That guy could just as well have been me or a hundred thousand other teachers who take a minute to sign something before the class goes apeshit again for the fifth time today. That teachers owes you nothing at all. He doesn’t owe you, me, or anybody else an explanation or a communication or anything else.

But we, as a society, sure as hell owe him. This nightmare is going to follow him forever. It is now part of the wingnut folklore and it will never, ever go away. Erick son of Erick is still pimping this shit hours after Whelan deleted the tweets.

So please take a moment and have a little empathy and a little humility as well, because none of us can say at what moment this kind of unwanted nightmare can find any of us. When it does, you will be glad for the people who extend an open hand rather than a clenched fist.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:56:23am

Everyone needs to read this.

I can’t stop thinking about it.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:56:48am

re: #316 dangerman

Like the rest of us Garrett did know that Ford had brought it up in therapy seven years before Kavanaugh’s nomination, that she put a witness in the room, passed a polygraph and was demanding an FBI investigation. None of that is what someone making up a story would do. So Garrett owns the fact that he ignored all of that and decided to sign a letter vouching for a dude he hadn’t seen in decades.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:57:30am

re: #319 dangerman

does the day of the week she testifies change the facts?

It doesn’t, but as we see with Whelon’s self-immolation, the longer this goes on, the more damage they’re doing to their credibility. Kavanuagh’s now going to face questions about whether he had knowledge a Republican hatchetman was about to slag one of his former classmates, what other questions will come up before Monday, let alone Thursday?

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:57:46am
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:58:01am

re: #323 Scottish Dragon

He signed a letter that his buddy from thirty years ago was a good guy. Typical shit we all do at some point in our lives, and almost none of us go to that friend and interrogate him or her on where the skeletons are buried under what closet before we sign.

I’ve never done that and would never do that in the face of credible allegations of sexual assault.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:58:06am
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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:58:29am

re: #300 Scottish Dragon

Once you mentioned who it was, I was only a little shocked at how far it went.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 9:59:36am

re: #316 dangerman

He didn’t weigh in on anything other than he thought that Kavanaugh was a nice guy 30 years ago.

Do you how much that actually means in reality?

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It’s a social nicety. Nothing more. Most people understand that. It does not for one moment enable or entitle anybody to go after him, wish harm on him or think anything other than he was being nice to someone he used to know.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:01:32am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, I guess people should stop fishing down stream, for around a generation

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The fish will go good with the lead paint chips.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:01:55am

re: #331 Scottish Dragon

He didn’t weigh in on anything other than he thought that Kavanaugh was a nice guy 30 years ago.

Do you how much that actually means in reality?

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It’s a social nicety. Nothing more. Most people understand that. It does not for one moment enable or entitle anybody to go after him, wish harm on him or think anything other than he was being nice to someone he used to know.

You know who else he reportedly knew? Ford. Funny how he didn’t say shit about how nice she was or how she visited him in the hospital. It’s boys’ club bullshit and he could have (read: should have) said nothing.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:03:06am

re: #325 goddamnedfrank

Like the rest of us Garrett did know that Ford had brought it up in therapy seven years before Kavanaugh’s nomination, that she put a witness in the room, passed a polygraph and was demanding an FBI investigation. None of that is what someone making up a story would do. So Garrett owns the fact that he ignored all of that and decided to sign a letter vouching for a dude he hadn’t seen in decades.

Um…it is my understanding these letters were signed weeks ago. Do you have different information?

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:04:31am

re: #328 goddamnedfrank

I’ve never done that and would never do that in the face of credible allegations of sexual assault.

Please show your information on this. Do you have a date after last week that he signed?

Everything I have seen suggests this was a pro forma thing that was done weeks ago.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:04:31am

Christ almighty… Both these turd are charged with murder.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:05:13am

re: #300 Scottish Dragon

Some people (cough cough Corner Stone) at Balloon Juice have gone full throttle nihilism and are hoping the middle school teacher who signed the letter for Kavanaugh also gets wrecked as a result of this. One commenter hoped he would lose his house, wife and kids because he signed the letter supporting Kavanaugh and fuck him he deserves to burn.

I can’t do this. I cannot be with people who are going to be this consumed by hatred that a middle school teacher being nice to a buddy from three decades ago is fair game for destruction and opprobrium.

I think I flounced.

We cannot let ourselves become the enemy we are fighting. I refuse to go down that path.

I don’t agree with your flow of logic. I am not friends with rapists. I am not friends with racists. If a friend of mine was accused of doing what Kavanaugh did, I would not write him a letter of support, I would write the fucker out of my life and wonder how I could be so fucking blind. My definition of friendship does not include supporting anyone no matter what the fuck they do. That is bullshit. And, I would extend that to my kids. Be a bad person, don’t expect me to try all kinds of shit to get you off. That is exactly what the fuck is wrong with this country. Own your shit, Americans. Own it each and every one.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:07:04am

re: #334 Scottish Dragon

Um…it is my understanding these letters were signed weeks ago. Do you have different information?

Fair enough. He just supported a classmate who last year tried to use force to keep a detained teenage immigrant from having an abortion against her will. So much less egregious but still boys club as fuck.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:09:08am

So is the consensus that Senate criminals will say “Fuck America” and vote Monday?

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:10:57am

re: #337 Old Liberal

I don’t agree with your flow of logic. I am not friends with rapists. I am not friends with racists. If a friend of mine was accused of doing what Kavanaugh did, I would not write him a letter of support, I would write the fucker out of my life and wonder how I could be so fucking blind. My definition of friendship does not include supporting anyone no matter what the fuck they do. That is bullshit. And, I would extend that to my kids. Be a bad person, don’t expect me to try all kinds of shit to get you off. That is exactly what the fuck is wrong with this country. Own your shit, Americans. Own it each and every one.

Show me were he wrote the letter in the last three days…because everything I have seen suggests the letter was from weeks ago, and was signed by a number of other classmates and law associates etc from years of contacts.

Nobody is signing letters to support this guy right now. Nobody.

So unless you will never, ever write a letter to support anybody at all on any grounds because you cannot say for sure what that person did when you were not looking, what is your issue with what I am saying?

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Skip Intro  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:11:20am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, I guess people should stop fishing down stream, for around a generation

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It’s good Clean Coal ash though, so what’s the problem?

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:11:22am

re: #334 Scottish Dragon

Um…it is my understanding these letters were signed weeks ago. Do you have different information?

IF he didn’t have information then, why WOULD HE NOT recant his signature now?

I have no sympathy for these people until they OWN IT. He fucked up. He should admit it instead of running around being the victim.

If I wrote a fucking recommendation for someone two weeks ago and just found out they were arrested for child abuse, you better believe I’d be all over retracting that.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:12:01am

re: #340 Scottish Dragon

Show me were he wrote the letter in the last three days…because everything I have seen suggests the letter was from weeks ago, and was signed by a number of other classmates and law associates etc from years of contacts.

Nobody is signing letters to support this guy right now. Nobody.

So unless you will never, ever right a letter to support anybody at all on any grounds because you cannot say for sure what that person did when you were not looking, what is your issue with what I am saying?

Where is his letter recanting his support? Where is his public statement?

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:12:38am

Bold words from a grown man who’s still hiding his tax records, his Apprentice tapes, and his deep financial ties with with the Russian mafia.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:13:02am

The thing that will never stop burning me about white support for people like Trump, Kavanaugh, and the GOP writ large is that it’s too easy and there are endless excuses and civility arguments that completely skip right past the very real harm to minority populations being condoned in the process.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:13:42am

re: #342 Old Liberal

IF he didn’t have information then, why WOULD HE NOT recant his signature now?

I have no sympathy for these people until they OWN IT. He fucked up. He should admit it instead of running around being the victim.

If I wrote a fucking recommendation for someone two weeks ago and just found out they were arrested for child abuse, you better believe I’d be all over retracting that.

Because he is in fucking class right now dealing with children…and I wouldn’t do a damned thing until I had a lawyer.

Do you want to contribute to his legal fund when it is set up? Middle school teachers usually can’t afford a lawyer.

BTW…he doesn’t owe any of us a statement.

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Ferdinand  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:15:31am

re: #337 Old Liberal

But, this Atlanta teacher had no knowledge of BK’s assault when he signed this general character reference in the past months sometime. Bet he’d take it back now! He’s another victim of BK and his posse in this. Although yes, I’m not gonna roll personally with anyone who’d sign his support to any Trump judicial nominee either. :)

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:16:05am

re: #346 Scottish Dragon

Because he is fucking class right now dealing with children…and I wouldn’t do a damned thing until a had a lawyer.

Do you want to contribute to his legal fund when it is set up? Middle school teachers usually can’t afford a lawyer.

BTW…he doesn’t owe any of us a statement.

He wrote a commendation.
To a person credibly accused of attempt rape and possibly worse.
He is too busy to recant it?
But not too busy to whine about how he is being victimized?

Here it is:
I should not have signed that letter for Mr. Kavanaugh. I retract my statement. God, that took me four seconds.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:16:12am

re: #311 Ferdinand

Gave you a +1 for your morals. I’m a lurker mostly in the same circles as you (here, BJ, Dreher in the past) and I hope you’d also agree that John Cole and co. are solid guidance who will likely prevent BJ from going full-on “burn them all down”. So weird to watch these site communities, for me since the early aughts.

While I completely disagree with their concept, I completely understand their frustration, and I’ll bet every single one of us here does.

Dems in general are too fucking nice and too fucking accommodating and too fucking forgiving. We play by the rules where Republicans are liars and cheats and charlatans with no moral compass whatsoever and no desire to play by any rules; whatever it takes to get and keep power.

We play by rules and they play us. Always. Repeatedly.

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ericblair  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:16:38am

re: #343 Old Liberal

Where is his letter recanting his support? Where is his public statement?

Er, I don’t know anything about this Garrett guy, and we’re living in Trump time, but you know that this all blew up yesterday. He was basically some random teacher a couple of days ago maybe wondering whether he should stain the deck this weekend, and suddenly he’s in the middle of a massive national political shitstorm. So I’d expect a few days to have some sort of coherent reaction.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:17:18am

re: #347 Ferdinand

But, this Atlanta teacher had no knowledge of BK’s assault when he signed this general character reference in the past months sometime. Bet he’d take it back now! He’s another victim of BK and his posse in this. Although yes, I’m not gonna roll personally with anyone who’d sign his support to any Trump judicial nominee either. :)

I don’t have to think I’d be this guy’s friend to say that trying to hang him this way is wrong and actually evil.

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Ferdinand  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:17:28am

re: #343 Old Liberal

This literally happened last night. Maybe he’s grading papers. Or finding a good lawyer.

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gwangung  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:17:29am

re: #350 ericblair

Er, I don’t know anything about this Garrett guy, and we’re living in Trump time, but you know that this all blew up yesterday. He was basically some random teacher a couple of days ago maybe wondering whether he should stain the deck this weekend, and suddenly he’s in the middle of a massive national political shitstorm. So I’d expect a few days to have some sort of coherent reaction.

Yeah, exactly. He’s not a professional.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:18:47am

re: #321 Hecuba’s daughter

You are absolutely right. His statement is ridiculous on its face — She would not have thought to report it to the police in any case since she managed to escape physical (not psychological) harm because Kavanaugh was too drunk. Girls often thought they were the ones to blame when attacked, especially in cases like this, where they were attending an underage drinking party without their parents’ knowledge or approval.

I can be overly pedantic — I was not excusing Trump but was wondering if it was some other deplorable on the team (Stephen Miller e.g.) who was responsible for the text itself.

To me it doesn’t matter who. They’re all the same. Every last one of them who has any association with this maladministration.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:19:16am

re: #350 ericblair

Er, I don’t know anything about this Garrett guy, and we’re living in Trump time, but you know that this all blew up yesterday. He was basically some random teacher a couple of days ago maybe wondering whether he should stain the deck this weekend, and suddenly he’s in the middle of a massive national political shitstorm. So I’d expect a few days to have some sort of coherent reaction.

Are you kidding me? He needs several days to figure out that endorsing someone he barely knew who stands accused of reprehensible behavior, should be recanted? And he is competent to teach middle school? Tell me, what does he need to figure out? What side he is on? If she is lying?

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:20:23am

Apologies if this is old news at this point, I’m just catching up.

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gwangung  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:20:34am

re: #355 Old Liberal

re: #355 Old Liberal

Are you kidding me? He needs several days to figure out that endorsing someone he barely knew who stands accused of reprehensible behavior, should be recanted?

Are YOU kidding me?

OF COURSE HE DOES!

Don’t be an idiot.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:21:38am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:21:58am

re: #343 Old Liberal

Where is his letter recanting his support? Where is his public statement?

It’s not as though he is a well-known person in the public eye. Who knows how closely he is following any of this? We sometimes assume that because we are glued to the TV or the Internet watching the twists and turns of an important political drama that others are equally engaged. The 65 women who signed the letter of support AFTER the initial allegations were publicized did not come forward to make an official retraction: it required journalists making followup calls to show that only two still affirmed their support. It’s hard for citizens who are not accustomed to the spotlight to announce publicly that they were in error. As others have suggested, Garrett may be consulting attorneys about his legal options.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:22:25am

re: #323 Scottish Dragon

He signed a letter that his buddy from thirty years ago was a good guy. Typical shit we all do at some point in our lives, and almost none of us go to that friend and interrogate him or her on where the skeletons are buried under what closet before we sign.

Who does this? I don’t sign a contract without reading it and I’m certainly not putting my own reputation on the line for someone I don’t explicitly feel deserves it. Someone I’m not in regular touch with? Never.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:22:28am

re: #357 gwangung

Are YOU kidding me?

OF COURSE HE DOES!

Don’t be an idiot.

Tell me what he needs to decide at this point? Specifically.

Don’t be an idiot either.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:22:49am

re: #353 gwangung

Yeah, exactly. He’s not a professional.

It’s a glaring example of the non-existent regard conservatism has for individual conservatives. An example that I expect the vast majority of conservatives will completely fail to incorporate into their decision making paradigm.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:23:16am

re: #342 Old Liberal

IF he didn’t have information then, why WOULD HE NOT recant his signature now?

I have no sympathy for these people until they OWN IT. He fucked up. He should admit it instead of running around being the victim.

If I wrote a fucking recommendation for someone two weeks ago and just found out they were arrested for child abuse, you better believe I’d be all over retracting that.

I’ll type this real, real slow:

HE. IS. IN. FUCKING. CLASS. WITH. CHILDREN. RIGHT. NOW. AND. HE. IS. WELL. ADVISED. TO. SAY. NOT. ONE. GOD. DAMNED. WORD. TO. ADD. TO. THIS. UNTIL. HE. TALKS. TO. THE. SCHOOL. DISTRICT. SUPERINTENDENT. AND. A. PRIVATE. ATTORNEY.

So let me tell you straight, old liberal. I’m a fucking teacher. Not in class right now today. I was on the bad end of a media frenzy two years ago. Some of you remember that.

MY SCHOOL DISTRICT ADVISED ME TO SHUT MY MOUTH AND SAY NOTHING AT ALL TO ANY FUCKING BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:23:31am

re: #324 Stanley Sea

Everyone needs to read this.

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I can’t stop thinking about it.

It was awful. Someone called it heartening. They obviously read it far differently than I.

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austin_blue  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:23:37am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, I guess people should stop fishing down stream, for around a generation

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Coal ash concentrates heavy metals. It’s bad shit.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:24:02am

re: #359 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not as though he is a well-known person in the public eye. Who knows how closely he is following any of this? We sometimes assume that because we are glued to the TV or the Internet watching the twists and turns of an important political drama that others are equally engaged. The 65 women who signed the letter of support AFTER the initial allegations were publicized did not come forward to make an official retraction: it required journalists making followup calls to show that only two still affirmed their support. It’s hard for citizens who are not accustomed to the spotlight to announce publicly that they were in error. As others have suggested, Garrett may be consulting attorneys about his legal options.

Explain please what his legal exposure is??????
He signed a letter.
He is changing his mind.

What civil or criminal statute does that possibly violate?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:24:35am
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:25:10am

re: #366 Old Liberal

Explain please what his legal exposure is??????

Not Garrett’s exposure, Whelan’s.

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:26:03am

re: #324 Stanley Sea

Everyone needs to read this.

[harrowing piece]

I can’t stop thinking about it.

That combination spells ‘Do Not Click’ in my book.

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gwangung  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:27:33am

re: #361 Old Liberal

Tell me what he needs to decide at this point? Specifically.

Don’t be an idiot either.

Consult with a lawyer first thing. And one who has SOME experience with politics; the average family lawyer can’t do it.

That means gathering recommendations from trusted associates (that MIGHT mean your family lawyer if you have one; if you don’t, add time. If your family lawyer doesn’t know anybody, add time).

Contact and set up appointment with said lawyer. Check budget and see if you can afford said lawyer.

At the meeting, go over strategy, close off areas of possible problems or liability. Spend time crafting a statement that minimizes exposure.

Remember. This person is an amateur, almost certainly not experienced in publicity. All these steps are sensible and takes time to execute.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:27:50am
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gwangung  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:29:31am

re: #363 Scottish Dragon

I’ll type this real, real slow:

HE. IS. IN. FUCKING. CLASS. WITH. CHILDREN. RIGHT. NOW. AND. HE IS. WELL. ADVISED. TO. SAY. NOT. ONE. GOD. DAMNED. WORD. TO. ADD. TO. THIS. UNTIL. HE. TALKS. TO. THE. SCHOOL. DISTRICT. SUPERINTENDENT. AND. A. PRIVATE. ATTORNEY.

So let me tell your straight, old liberal. I’m a fucking teacher. Not in class right now today. I was on the bad end of a media frenzy two years ago. Some of you remember that.

MY SCHOOL DISTRICT ADVISED ME TO SHUT MY MOUTH AND SAY NOTHING AT ALL TO ANY FUCKING BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I think you know this situation WAYYYYYY better than the rest of us.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:30:08am

re: #370 gwangung

Consult with a lawyer first thing. And one who has SOME experience with politics; the average family lawyer can’t do it.

That means gathering recommendations from trusted associates (that MIGHT mean your family lawyer if you have one; if you don’t, add time. If your family lawyer doesn’t know anybody, add time).

Contact and set up appointment with said lawyer. Check budget and see if you can afford said lawyer.

At the meeting, go over strategy, close off areas of possible problems or liability. Spend time crafting a statement that minimizes exposure.

Remember. This person is an amateur, almost certainly not experienced in publicity. All these steps are sensible and takes time to execute.

He absolutely has to talk to the school district, preferably this afternoon. You can imagine that the school has already gotten calls. Anything he says at this point can mean his job. Best to say nothing at all. Period.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:30:49am

re: #317 Targetpractice

Much like the letter of 65 women who swear Brett Kavanaugh never raped them, Whelon’s sudden “revelation” reeks of something that was coordinated with an eye towards discrediting any potential accusers.

I keep reminding Senator Portman in my contact messages that it seems the Republican party can do nothing straight up and above board. Everything is a scheme, a dodge and messing around with the rules. From Gerrymandering to outright lying Republicans have become nothing but dirty-dealing scum.

Does America need a political party like that? Hell no. They really need to be slapped down hard to the point they have to consider breaking it up because their party has become toxic and unsalvageable.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:31:06am

re: #365 austin_blue

Coal ash concentrates heavy metals. It’s bad shit.

A lot of people are saying arsenic, beryllium, cadmium, barium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, molybdenum, nickel, radium, selenium, thorium, uranium, vanadium, and zinc is good for the digestion, and promotes a healthy gut & bowel

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gwangung  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:31:18am

re: #373 Scottish Dragon

He absolutely has to talk to the school district, preferably this afternoon. You can imagine that the school has already gotten calls. Anything he says at this point can mean his job. Best to say nothing at all. Period.

Yes. (And hope he doesn”t get conflicting advice).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:31:38am

re: #360 MsJ

Who does this? I don’t sign a contract without reading it and I’m certainly not putting my own reputation on the line for someone I don’t explicitly feel deserves it. Someone I’m not in regular touch with? Never.

Maybe you’re not a partisan hack.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:31:44am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:31:48am

re: #368 goddamnedfrank

Not Garrett’s exposure, Whelan’s.

Yep. That was my intended point. There may be a large number of people at risk, not just Whelan but everyone who was involved in the Whelan twitter feed or who was aware of it, including Kavanaugh. If Garrett did not offer himself as a willing sacrifice but was blindsided by this attack, he would have an excellent case of slander that could be pursued in the courts but it’s only an attorney that can advise him on what he should do.

Hmmm — I wonder if Avenatti is available?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:32:46am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:33:05am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A lot of people are saying arsenic, beryllium, cadmium, barium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, molybdenum, nickel, radium, selenium, thorium, uranium, vanadium, and zinc is good for the digestion, and promotes a healthy gut & bowel

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Several of those are in multi-vitamins. It’s like free vitamins for the people downstream.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:34:09am

re: #379 Hecuba’s daughter

Yep. That was my intended point. There may be a large number of people at risk, not just Whelan but everyone who was involved in the Whelan twitter feed or who was aware of it, including Kavanaugh. If Garrett did not offer himself as a willing sacrifice but was blindsided by this attack, he would have an excellent case of slander that could be pursued in the courts but it’s only an attorney that can advise him on what he should do.

Hmmm — I wonder if Avenatti is available?

The guy he framed is said to be a Kavanaugh supporter, in which case there will be no lawsuit.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:36:29am

re: #382 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The guy he framed is said to be a Kavanaugh supporter, in which case there will be no lawsuit.

Well Whelan isn’t Kavanaugh, and being cynically framed for rape is a lot to ask of anybody.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:37:32am

re: #377 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Maybe you’re not a partisan hack.

This is not a partisan issue. It’s a reputational issue as in my reputation. I could never sign anything other than “I went to school with him” (and that’s assuming I recognized him or at least his name) because I’m never going to say ABC is a good guy if I don’t know he’s a good guy.

If this is something done just because one is expected to be polite, it’s completely meaningless.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:37:55am

re: #360 MsJ

Who does this? I don’t sign a contract without reading it and I’m certainly not putting my own reputation on the line for someone I don’t explicitly feel deserves it. Someone I’m not in regular touch with? Never.

This is all basic job networking stuff. At some point you get used as a job reference or have to ask someone else to be one for you. Kavanaugh asked a LOT of people for personal references because SCOTUS is a big deal.

You cannot possibly know everything about a person you act as a reference for and likewise nobody can know all of you history when they agree to be a reference for you.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:38:11am

re: #381 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

re: #375 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A lot of people are saying arsenic, beryllium, cadmium, barium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, molybdenum, nickel, radium, selenium, thorium, uranium, vanadium, and zinc is good for the digestion, and promotes a healthy gut & bowel

///

Several of those are in multi-vitamins. It’s like free vitamins for the people downstream.

Yeah: especially the radium and uranium - I don’t think Vitamin Shoppe and GNC carry those supplements anymore.
//

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:38:18am

re: #383 goddamnedfrank

Well Whelan isn’t Kavanaugh, and being cynically framed for rape is a lot to ask of anybody.

True.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:41:21am

re: #385 Scottish Dragon

This is all basic job networking stuff. At some point you get used as a job reference or have to ask someone else to be one for you. Kavanaugh asked a LOT of people for personal references because SCOTUS is a big deal.

You cannot possibly know everything about a person you act as a reference for and likewise nobody can know all of you history when they agree to be a reference for you.

Forgive me but I would never do this. Never.

References are supposed to be just that; personal acknowledgements. If they’re not there pointless and meaningless.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:42:12am
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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:42:40am

re: #367 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I went to go look him up:

Cody Rutledge Wilson is an American crypto-anarchist, free-market anarchist, and gun-rights activist, best known as a founder/director of Defense Distributed, a non-profit organization that develops and publishes open source gun designs, so-called “wiki weapons”, suitable for 3D printing and digital manufacture.

You should not be allowed to write your own wikipedia entry.

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:42:56am

re: #389 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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NO COLLUSION!!

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:44:06am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A lot of people are saying arsenic, beryllium, cadmium, barium, chromium, copper, lead, mercury, molybdenum, nickel, radium, selenium, thorium, uranium, vanadium, and zinc is good for the digestion, and promotes a healthy gut & bowel

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The Element Song by Tom Lehrer

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:44:07am

re: #384 MsJ

This is not a partisan issue. It’s a reputational issue as in my reputation. I could never sign anything other than “I went to school with him” (and that’s assuming I recognized him or at least his name) because I’m never going to say ABC is a good guy if I don’t know he’s a good guy.

If this is something done just because one is expected to be polite, it’s completely meaningless.

If you were a partisan hack, it would be a partisan issue. The man is set to enslave women to the will of the Christian Taliban, so of course members of the CT would vouch for him.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:44:13am

re: #391 b.d.(my doppelganger did it)

NO COLLUSION!!

No RUSSIAN collusion. All the rest of it is perfectly allowed. :)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:44:25am

re: #389 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Looks like another thing Nancy’s House to investigate.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:44:38am

re: #388 MsJ

Forgive me but I would never do this. Never.

References are supposed to be just that; personal acknowledgements. If they’re not there pointless and meaningless.

Um, they are really kinda pointless and meaningless after a certain point (they mean a lot if you are trying to get into a certain industry out of college…not so much if you are an executive VP changing to another company).

That is why I said they are really just a social nicety for someone like Kavanaugh. It’s window dressing.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:45:02am

re: #391 b.d.(my doppelganger did it)

NO COLLUSION!!

BIGLY COLLUSION!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:46:16am

On the lighter side. Just saw a Reagan-Bush ‘84 sticker in the drive they at lunch.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:47:38am

re: #388 MsJ

I would also bet that you have done this at some point without realizing it. It is nearly impossible to job hunt today without playing this game since the traditional apply for a job model has been completely broken by the mass firing of HR departments and using programs to scan resumes for code words that the applicants don’t know.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:48:20am

re: #385 Scottish Dragon

This is all basic job networking stuff. At some point you get used as a job reference or have to ask someone else to be one for you. Kavanaugh asked a LOT of people for personal references because SCOTUS is a big deal.

You cannot possibly know everything about a person you act as a reference for and likewise nobody can know all of you history when they agree to be a reference for you.re: #384 MsJ

This is not a partisan issue. It’s a reputational issue as in my reputation. I could never sign anything other than “I went to school with him” (and that’s assuming I recognized him or at least his name) because I’m never going to say ABC is a good guy if I don’t know he’s a good guy.

If this is something done just because one is expected to be polite, it’s completely meaningless.

I share your perspective. I would never write an endorsement of someone I knew thirty years ago and had not maintained a relationship. First, it is ludicrous, what does it even mean? Hire this guy I knew thirty years ago and haven’t been in contact with? Any credible employer would laugh before dumping such a letter in the trash. Second, it would be a very dangerous threat to my reputation.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:48:27am

re: #396 Scottish Dragon

Um, they are really kinda pointless and meaningless after a certain point (they mean a lot if you are trying to get into a certain industry out of college…not so much if you are an executive VP changing to another company).

That is why I said they are really just a social nicety for someone like Kavanaugh. It’s window dressing.

This depressed me beyond words. Seriously.

I’m starting to think the rules I live by are a fucking joke. Why be a good and decent fucking person when I’m the only one? (And I know I’m not the only one but the point remains.)

Fuck.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:48:39am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

On the lighter side. Just saw a Reagan-Bush ‘84 sticker in the drive they at lunch.

Back when things really started going to shit, laying the groundwork for our disastrous politics today.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:48:51am

re: #307 Mike Lamb

Correct. Hatch goes on TV a few days ago stating that Dr. Ford might be “mixed up”, and then this crazy, albeit very detailed, tweetstorm from Whelan magically appears? Total coincidence. Sure, right.

And prior to that idiotic tweetstorm, Kathleen Parker submitted her ‘doppelganger’ op-ed yesterday, in the ‘liberal’ Washington Post.

This was completely coordinated. But they were so intent on setting this narrative that no one bothered to notice how completely ridiculous it sounded. Even Whelan said he believed his dopey-ass ‘theory’ sounded more plausible than Ford’s story.

And they think they’re so goddamned smart. Morons.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:48:52am
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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:49:27am

re: #363 Scottish Dragon

I’ll type this real, real slow:

HE. IS. IN. FUCKING. CLASS. WITH. CHILDREN. RIGHT. NOW. AND. HE. IS. WELL. ADVISED. TO. SAY. NOT. ONE. GOD. DAMNED. WORD. TO. ADD. TO. THIS. UNTIL. HE. TALKS. TO. THE. SCHOOL. DISTRICT. SUPERINTENDENT. AND. A. PRIVATE. ATTORNEY.

So let me tell you straight, old liberal. I’m a fucking teacher. Not in class right now today. I was on the bad end of a media frenzy two years ago. Some of you remember that.

MY SCHOOL DISTRICT ADVISED ME TO SHUT MY MOUTH AND SAY NOTHING AT ALL TO ANY FUCKING BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just want to comment on the last point…if I was publicly slandered in a way that was unrelated to my professional responsibilities, my employer would have fuck all to say about what I should or shouldn’t do.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:49:41am

re: #401 MsJ

This depressed me beyond words. Seriously.

I’m starting to think the rules I live by are a fucking joke. Why be a good and decent fucking person when I’m the only one? (And I know I’m not the only one but the point remains.)

Fuck.

That’s why our whole society breaks down when our leaders are seen to be lawless scoundrels. There’s no reason for anyone to be honest in a corrupt state, which is why Russia is as bad as it is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:49:58am

re: #404 gocart mozart

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Portugal wouldn’t be a bad place to be right now.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:50:22am

CNN presenting this as “meeting in the middle:

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:50:36am

It seems that the Senate Judiciary has responded to Ford’s request:

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:51:11am

re: #355 Old Liberal

Are you kidding me? He needs several days to figure out that endorsing someone he barely knew who stands accused of reprehensible behavior, should be recanted? And he is competent to teach middle school? Tell me, what does he need to figure out? What side he is on? If she is lying?

Maybe he is just doing a disappearing act because he got himself way more into a mess than he ever expected by signing a letter. He could be so far in over his head that clamming up and trying to get it all to go away is all he can think to do right now.

That is a typical human response. I don’t know his character so I think it hard to say he would do what he should do.

We are just watching and we don’t have our butts in the fire. It’s real easy to think clearly in our positions…not so much in his.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:52:33am

re: #409 Belafon

It seems that the Senate Judiciary has responded to Ford’s request:

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Who is the independent counsel? Ken Starr?

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:53:00am

Addendum:
According to this news report, Rosenstein denies the report and adds:

Mr. Rosenstein disputed this account.

“The New York Times’s story is inaccurate and factually incorrect,” he said in a statement. “I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment.”

A Justice Department spokeswoman also provided a statement from a person who was present when Mr. Rosenstein proposed wearing a wire. The person, who would not be named, acknowledged the remark but said Mr. Rosenstein made it sarcastically.

In other words, yeah, it happened and people around me think Trump is unstable and deserving of the 25A.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:53:07am

re: #401 MsJ

This depressed me beyond words. Seriously.

I’m starting to think the rules I live by are a fucking joke. Why be a good and decent fucking person when I’m the only one? (And I know I’m not the only one but the point remains.)

Fuck.

Well, here is one more like you. I not only won’t sign shit like this, I won’t give a standing ovation to the middle school choir. I won’t put my flag at half staff every other day. There was a time when these things meant something. I think we lost something when standards were loosened for being social.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:54:07am

re: #412 lawhawk

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Oh boy.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:54:49am

re: #361 Old Liberal

Tell me what he needs to decide at this point? Specifically.

Don’t be an idiot either.

He needs to decide if he should come out publicly so he can take even more heat.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:54:55am

re: #412 lawhawk

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Well he’s as good as gone. Incoming angry dump tweets.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:54:58am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:55:28am

re: #417 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Every last one.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:55:40am

re: #411 Mike Lamb

Who is the independent counsel? Ken Starr?

From what I understand, they’re looking for a woman so the old white men don’t look directly foolish.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:55:40am

re: #401 MsJ

This depressed me beyond words. Seriously.

I’m starting to think the rules I live by are a fucking joke. Why be a good and decent fucking person when I’m the only one? (And I know I’m not the only one but the point remains.)

Fuck.

Preaching to the choir. My spouse graduated cum laude with a forensic biology degree from Guilford College two years ago and still cannot get a real job because networking bitches!!!

We don’t have the right friends and we didn’t come from the right families and she could not take months off work at Walgreens to do internships for free.

The acceptance rate for applying on a company website or submitting a resume is less than 1%

Everything is now pressing flesh and getting people to vouch for you who don’t know you from Adam. I cannot tell you how utterly demoralizing and disgusting the whole affair becomes. Every time you talk to somebody who might know someone who can get you a job, it feels like you are becoming a sort of hooker, so to speak.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:57:10am

re: #405 Mike Lamb

I just want to comment on the last point…if I was publicly slandered in a way that was unrelated to my professional responsibilities, my employer would have fuck all to say about what I should or shouldn’t do.

Schools have different rules.

Anything you do or say in your private life that has a bearing on the conduct of classroom is grounds for your termination. If the district wants to make a statement, then you let them do it.

I had to scrub years of facebook post and social media. I had to ban all people from posting anything at all on my FB page and I destroyed my old twitter feed and now write under a pseudonym because of school policies.

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:57:26am

re: #411 Mike Lamb

Who is the independent counsel? Ken Starr?

Tomi Lahren

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:57:35am

re: #420 Scottish Dragon

Preaching to the choir. My spouse graduated cum laude with a forensic biology degree from Guilford College two years ago and still cannot get a real job because networking bitches!!!

We don’t have the right friends and we didn’t come from the right families and she could not take months off work at Walgreens to do internships for free.

The acceptance rate for applying on a company website or submitting a resume is less than 1%

Everything is now pressing flesh and getting people to vouch for you who don’t know you from Adam. I cannot tell you how utterly demoralizing and disgusting the whole affair becomes. Every time you talk to somebody who might know someone who can get you a job, it feels like you are becoming a sort of hooker, so to speak.

I’m definitely convinced I’ve been victimized by the knowing people network.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:57:52am

re: #362 goddamnedfrank

It’s a glaring example of the non-existent regard conservatism has for individual conservatives. An example that I expect the vast majority of conservatives will completely fail to incorporate into their decision making paradigm.

Just another individual to use and then let him burn once they got him in the public fire. It is so Republican; what can you do for me while I will do nothing for you?

And that Trump base…they are all in that position. They are just too damn dim to understand they are being used and abused. Willing fools.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:58:06am

re: #422 b.d.(my doppelganger did it)

Tomi Lahren

Barf.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:58:11am

re: #410 ObserverArt

Maybe he is just doing a disappearing act because he got himself way more into a mess than he ever expected by signing a letter. He could be so far in over his head that clamming up and trying to get it all to go away is all he can think to do right now.

That is a typical human response. I don’t know his character so I think it hard to say he would do what he should do.

We are just watching and we don’t have our butts in the fire. It’s real easy to think clearly in our positions…not so much in his.

I accept your premise. Still, Art, I am reacting to people feeling sympathy for this person. He is not some innocent middle school teacher. He is a grown adult who foolishly endorsed someone he didn’t really know, and we all have know for a while about these credible accusations. I don’t find it believable that he isn’t paying attention to what is going on with a high school friend that he endorsed. Unbelievable. And before he was potentially set up as a potential rapist, he had time to go “you know, that letter I signed, not such a good idea. I’m going to retract that”. Now, if he chooses not to do that, or doesn’t know how to do that, so be it but don’t pull out the tiny violins. He fucked himself. Sure, get a lawyer, all that good stuff. My sympathy meter reads “Zero” and I don’t care how much shitstorm he gets. Not my problem.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:58:53am

They can’t be trusted to pick an IC. When they think someone like Kavanaugh should be a judge, you know independent.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2018 • 10:58:58am

re: #419 Belafon

re: #411 Mike Lamb

Who is the independent counsel? Ken Starr?

From what I understand, they’re looking for a woman so the old white men don’t look directly foolish.

“Judge” Jeanine Pirro.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:00:05am

re: #352 Ferdinand

This literally happened last night. Maybe he’s grading papers. Or finding a good lawyer.

I’ve been reading posts here and checking news now and then while I’m working. I haven’t heard anything about Garrett, and I’m more up-to-date on current happenings than most people!

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:00:29am
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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:01:04am

re: #428 Jay C

“Judge” Jeanine Pirro.

I expect they want to ask if she was aroused but they don’t want to do it themselves because they think that will be a tell.

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:01:10am

re: #412 lawhawk

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Bye Rod, it was nice knowing you.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:01:56am
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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:02:13am

re: #426 Old Liberal

My sympathy meter reads “Zero” and I don’t care how much shitstorm he gets. Not my problem

That could have been taken right out of the mouth of Paul Ryan or any other Randian conservative.

I thought empathy and decency were liberal values.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:02:26am

re: #412 lawhawk

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Addendum:
According to this news report, Rosenstein denies the report and adds:

In other words, yeah, it happened and people around me think Trump is unstable and deserving of the 25A.

This one feels like a plant from the Trump admin as justification to shit can Rosenstein. It would frankly surprise me if he was discussing invoking the 25th Amendment.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:02:45am
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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:03:22am

re: #432 Targetpractice

Bye Rod, it was nice knowing you.

Yup. Gone by tonight.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:03:56am
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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:04:12am

re: #434 Scottish Dragon

That could have been taken right out of the mouth of Paul Ryan or any other Randian conservative.

I thought empathy and decency were liberal values.

I’m completely missing why I should be empathetic towards him.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:04:45am

re: #435 Mike Lamb

This one feels like a plant from the Trump admin as justification to shit can Rosenstein. It would frankly surprise me if he was discussing invoking the 25th Amendment.

Does reality matter?

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:05:34am

re: #440 MsJ

Does reality matter?

Trump has been far less likely to proceed with something if he gets called out on it by enough people.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:06:21am

re: #440 MsJ

Does reality matter?

No. The whole thing feels like a pretense to fire him.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:07:26am

re: #434 Scottish Dragon

That could have been taken right out of the mouth of Paul Ryan or any other Randian conservative.

I thought empathy and decency were liberal values.

Empathy and sympathy are not at all the same thing. As for decency, what does that have to do with my stated position? When we have no sympathy for someone we become indecent?

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:08:32am

re: #406 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s why our whole society breaks down when our leaders are seen to be lawless scoundrels. There’s no reason for anyone to be honest in a corrupt state, which is why Russia is as bad as it is.

We are sure as hell seeing that play out with all the public mouthing-off from enabled White bigots who get to release what they have held in for years.

Leaders set examples, good or bad. We are in the bad right now.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:11:35am

re: #439 MsJ

I’m completely missing why I should be empathetic towards him.

Because he is a middle class schmuck doing a thankless job and didn’t ask for this shit and doesn’t deserve it? He is one of the ones from that school who didn’t end up on the stratosphere track to riches and influence. Right now…at this very minute…he is lecturing or managing students who he is trying to get ready for the next test, the next assignment, the next whatever…and I cannot for the life of me understand what the hell happened to us to start treating victims of thuggish Republican callousness as actual enemies that we should mock or even help to destroy.

What the hell is wrong with us? Did we stare into the abyss too long? Do I need to remind everybody again that this is a middle school teacher and not a lobbyist, executive or peddler of influence?

He isn’t a player and we have no goddamned business treating him like one.

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:12:22am

There are more bootleg Trump tapes than bootleg Grateful Dead tapes:

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:12:48am

re: #443 Old Liberal

I honestly do not understand you. I really don’t. At some point, your values and mine do not align.

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:13:26am

re: #446 b.d.(my doppelganger did it)

There are more bootleg Trump tapes than bootleg Grateful Dead tapes:

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This is Rosenstein’s last day, that would be my guess.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:14:06am

re: #426 Old Liberal

I accept your premise. Still, Art, I am reacting to people feeling sympathy for this person. He is not some innocent middle school teacher. He is a grown adult who foolishly endorsed someone he didn’t really know, and we all have know for a while about these credible accusations. I don’t find it believable that he isn’t paying attention to what is going on with a high school friend that he endorsed. Unbelievable. And before he was potentially set up as a potential rapist, he had time to go “you know, that letter I signed, not such a good idea. I’m going to retract that”. Now, if he chooses not to do that, or doesn’t know how to do that, so be it but don’t pull out the tiny violins. He fucked himself. Sure, get a lawyer, all that good stuff. My sympathy meter reads “Zero” and I don’t care how much shitstorm he gets. Not my problem.

Is it sympathy or understanding?

I think too many times people think being understanding is condoning and excusing. It is not…it is just simple understanding.

We rush to judgement too much and the damn internet is no help. Why? because it is easy and it gives some a feeling of righteousness.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:16:34am

I wonder if I can get a paid internship?

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:16:37am

re: #409 Belafon

It seems that the Senate Judiciary has responded to Ford’s request:

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This is bullshit

It’s not a fucking cross examination

Don’t do it

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:17:36am

re: #430 MsJ

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Defense always gets the last shot for rebuttal don’t they? It puts the onus on those accused to refute the contention.

The other way around puts the person making the charge on the defense which isn’t fair.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:19:32am

re: #432 Targetpractice

Bye Rod, it was nice knowing you.

Soon Rod will find he has always been a progressive liberal hippie and never a Republican at all.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:20:28am

re: #432 Targetpractice

Bye Rod, it was nice knowing you.

And soon goodbye Mueller, I guess.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:21:53am

re: #432 Targetpractice

Bye Rod, it was nice knowing you.

We’ll see. He still hasn’t fired Mattis who supposedly called him an idiot.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:22:11am

re: #434 Scottish Dragon

That could have been taken right out of the mouth of Paul Ryan or any other Randian conservative.

I thought empathy and decency were liberal values.

I’m gonna try a bit more understanding.

Old Liberal is just plain pissed off…right now.

Empathy may come later once the frustration is over.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:23:50am

re: #451 dangerman

This is bullshit

It’s not a fucking cross examination

Don’t do it

The bit about using an outside lawyer is really interesting to me. It signals to me that the Republican men (but I repeat myself) on the committee know they aren’t deft enough to ask questions without it blowing up in their faces. So bringing in a ringer, who I’m guessing is probably an employment law defense attorney, to basically conduct a deposition makes a certain amount of sense. But it also opens them up to questions of why they aren’t capable of doing their own jobs - I mean, we saw a lot of very old Senators (again, I repeat myself) ask very stupid questions about social media. I have a feeling this is going to not go particularly well for them, whatever the format - but I’m also not entirely sure they care.

And after listening to Pod Save America yesterday, I’m not entirely sure we won’t see a John Marshall situation after the midterms, with the Dems taking the Senate and McConnell saying “fuck it, hold a vote” whether it’s Kavaughan or not.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:25:21am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

Translated from the original Russian????

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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:25:28am

re: #455 Belafon

We’ll see. He still hasn’t fired Mattis who supposedly called him an idiot.

Mattis isn’t the lynchpin to dismantling the investigation that could end his presidency.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:27:34am

re: #454 Nyet

And soon goodbye Mueller, I guess.

I don’t think Trump pulls the trigger on Rosenstein or Mueller unless the GOP retains control of both Houses of Congress. The GOP will give him cover and we’ll have to wait until 2020 to do anything. But if the Dems take the House, he’s looking at impeachment if he tries a Saturday Night Massacre move. Now, maybe the Senate GOP saves him in impeachment, but he’s still going to be facing multiple Congressional investigations for the next two years, and he won’t be able to control himself when that shit-luge hits him.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:27:50am

re: #457 KGxvi

The bit about using an outside lawyer is really interesting to me. It signals to me that the Republican men (but I repeat myself) on the committee know they aren’t deft enough to ask questions without it blowing up in their faces. So bringing in a ringer, who I’m guessing is probably an employment law defense attorney, to basically conduct a deposition makes a certain amount of sense. But it also opens them up to questions of why they aren’t capable of doing their own jobs - I mean, we saw a lot of very old Senators (again, I repeat myself) ask very stupid questions about social media. I have a feeling this is going to not go particularly well for them, whatever the format - but I’m also not entirely sure they care.

And after listening to Pod Save America yesterday, I’m not entirely sure we won’t see a John Marshall situation after the midterms, with the Dems taking the Senate and McConnell saying “fuck it, hold a vote” whether it’s Kavaughan or not.

It’s not even that they’re deft enough to ask the questions, but that there isn’t a single woman on the panel of GOPers who can ask questions. The use of proxies - lawyers - to ask is meant to sidestep the optics of an all white older male panel of GOPers trying to attack a credible woman who accuses a loyal right wing extremist of being a sex predator.

After the GOP refused to hold a vote for Garland, that they’ll turn around and lame duck whoever Trump serves up with a rubber stamp will be particularly galling and remind everyone that the GOP doesn’t give a shit about the rule of law or the rules, but whatever can give them absolute power and overturn Roe, Griswold, and roll back civil/voting rights and the safety net, all while giving millionaires like Trump all the benefits and none of the harms while everyone deals with the burdens.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:30:06am

re: #457 KGxvi

The bit about using an outside lawyer is really interesting to me. It signals to me that the Republican men (but I repeat myself) on the committee know they aren’t deft enough to ask questions without it blowing up in their faces. So bringing in a ringer, who I’m guessing is probably an employment law defense attorney, to basically conduct a deposition makes a certain amount of sense. But it also opens them up to questions of why they aren’t capable of doing their own jobs - I mean, we saw a lot of very old Senators (again, I repeat myself) ask very stupid questions about social media. I have a feeling this is going to not go particularly well for them, whatever the format - but I’m also not entirely sure they care.

And after listening to Pod Save America yesterday, I’m not entirely sure we won’t see a John Marshall situation after the midterms, with the Dems taking the Senate and McConnell saying “fuck it, hold a vote” whether it’s Kavaughan or not.

im only focusing on the setup
it presupposes she cant just make a statement and answer questions truthfully

that it needs a professional questioner, an ‘order’ and borders on the trappings of a trial, not a congressional hearing

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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:30:57am

re: #457 KGxvi

The bit about using an outside lawyer is really interesting to me. It signals to me that the Republican men (but I repeat myself) on the committee know they aren’t deft enough to ask questions without it blowing up in their faces. So bringing in a ringer, who I’m guessing is probably an employment law defense attorney, to basically conduct a deposition makes a certain amount of sense. But it also opens them up to questions of why they aren’t capable of doing their own jobs - I mean, we saw a lot of very old Senators (again, I repeat myself) ask very stupid questions about social media. I have a feeling this is going to not go particularly well for them, whatever the format - but I’m also not entirely sure they care.

And after listening to Pod Save America yesterday, I’m not entirely sure we won’t see a John Marshall situation after the midterms, with the Dems taking the Senate and McConnell saying “fuck it, hold a vote” whether it’s Kavaughan or not.

It’s the difference between the Senate and the House. The senators are functional idiots (for the most part), and understand their limitations. Not so much in the House. Gym Jordan, Meadows, etc., would be asking why she’s a slut and how many other guys she banged that night.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:31:02am

re: #460 KGxvi

Hope you’re right, but remember - it’s Trump.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:32:11am

FAST, BUILD A DAMN WALL

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:33:19am

re: #461 lawhawk

It’s not even that they’re deft enough to ask the questions, but that there isn’t a single woman on the panel of GOPers who can ask questions. The use of proxies - lawyers - to ask is meant to sidestep the optics of an all white older male panel of GOPers trying to attack a credible woman who accuses a loyal right wing extremist of being a sex predator.

After the GOP refused to hold a vote for Garland, that they’ll turn around and lame duck whoever Trump serves up with a rubber stamp will be particularly galling and remind everyone that the GOP doesn’t give a shit about the rule of law or the rules, but whatever can give them absolute power and overturn Roe, Griswold, and roll back civil/voting rights and the safety net, all while giving millionaires like Trump all the benefits and none of the harms while everyone deals with the burdens.

I get the optics issue, but it opens them up to all sorts of other criticisms.

As for a lame duck appointment and confirmation, it wouldn’t surprise me, now that I’ve thought about it some more. But I’m also willing to bet they figure that most voters wouldn’t remember by 2020 anyway. I’d hope they’re wrong, but I suspect they’d be right on that calculus.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:35:35am

re: #457 KGxvi

And after listening to Pod Save America yesterday, I’m not entirely sure we won’t see a John Marshall situation after the midterms, with the Dems taking the Senate and McConnell saying “fuck it, hold a vote” whether it’s Kavanaugh or not.

I don’t think so. McConnell’s on a sworn mission to get Kavanaugh onto the SC, regardless of any other circumstances, and to do so ASAP. If he can’t get the votes in September or October, he’s not going to have them in November. And if he doesn’t have the votes (or doesn’t think he has), Brett Kavanaugh will likely decide that spending more time with his lawyers family is a better option, and withdraw - rather than give Democrats the “win” of seeing Trump’s (heartily-endorsed) nominee get shot down. Especially if the election is looming.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:35:58am

re: #465 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

FAST, BUILD A DAMN WALL

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I thought she was already living in Arizona? Or did the sight of so many brown people scare her off?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:36:36am

Anyone else getting the feeling that the people that fed this story to the NYT were doing so in hopes of enraging Dotard into firing Rosenstein?

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:38:50am

re: #467 Jay C

I don’t think so. McConnell’s on a sworn mission to get Kavanaugh onto the SC, regardless of any other circumstances, and to do so ASAP. If he can’t get the votes in September or October, he’s not going to have them in November. And if he doesn’t have the votes (or doesn’t think he has), Brett Kavanaugh will likely decide that spending more time with his lawyers family is a better option, and withdraw - rather than give Democrats the “win” of seeing Trump’s (heartily-endorsed) nominee get shot down. Especially if the election is looming.

McConnell didn’t want Kavanaugh, from what I’ve read, knew there was too much of a paper trail, and that it’d be a shitshow. A lame duck appointment comes with Kavanaugh withdrawing or not getting confirmed and Trump/McConnell trying to force someone through before the Dems have control.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:38:54am

Happening in my state right now:

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:42:52am

re: #366 Old Liberal

Explain please what his legal exposure is??????
He signed a letter.
He is changing his mind.

What civil or criminal statute does that possibly violate?

He was, in effect, accused of being the guy who tried to rape Professor Ford.

That’s WAY different than just retracting a statement of support.

Were I this teacher, I’d be looking for the best lawyer I could afford, and keeping mum until I had one.

I see your point. But he’s in a little deeper than ‘a dude who signed on to a letter’ at this point.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:44:22am

re: #471 Scottish Dragon

Seems like only yesterday Scott Pruitt was beaming with pride after withdrawing federal oversight over coal ash storage and monitoring

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:50:14am

re: #411 Mike Lamb

Who is the independent counsel? Ken Starr?

Ann Coulter…

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:52:49am

re: #465 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Scottsdale, AZ

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:01:17pm

re: #445 Scottish Dragon

Because he is a middle class schmuck doing a thankless job and didn’t ask for this shit and doesn’t deserve it? He is one of the ones from that school who didn’t end up on the stratosphere track to riches and influence. Right now…at this very minute…he is lecturing or managing students who he is trying to get ready for the next test, the next assignment, the next whatever…and I cannot for the life of me understand what the hell happened to us to start treating victims of thuggish Republican callousness as actual enemies that we should mock or even help to destroy.

What the hell is wrong with us? Did we stare into the abyss too long? Do I need to remind everybody again that this is a middle school teacher and not a lobbyist, executive or peddler of influence?

He isn’t a player and we have no goddamned business treating him like one.

Would you have the same intensity of feeling if he was a plumber? Or the property manager who was fired for challenging black people at the pool? I am sorry for your real life experience, it must have been awful for you. I have been wrung through the legal system because I made a dumb decision in pursuit of a dream, was defrauded, and spent three years and hundreds of thousands of dollars defending myself against a criminal who used the money I paid him, as his legal funding to try to destroy me. But I won’t give people of my profession a pass because of my horrific experience. My nemesis should not have defrauded me, but I signed the line with my own hand. So did this guy, regardless of profession.

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cat-tikvah  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:03:17pm

re: #465 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Two questions:
1. For Russia?
2. For good?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:17:23pm

re: #477 cat-tikvah

Two questions:
1. For Russia?
2. For good?

An appropriate fate for Sister Sarah

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BeachDem  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:19:09pm

Deleted, as I am a day late and a dollar short and this is all covered in the next thread—damn, I hate when work interferes with life!


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