NYT Report: Rosenstein Suggested Wearing a Wire to Record Trump, Discussed 25th Amendment

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Well now, here’s an interesting new report at the New York Times: Rosenstein Suggested He Secretly Record Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment.

WASHINGTON — The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, suggested last year that he secretly record President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit.

Mr. Rosenstein made these suggestions in the spring of 2017 when Mr. Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director plunged the White House into turmoil. Over the ensuing days, the president divulged classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office, and revelations emerged that Mr. Trump had asked Mr. Comey to pledge loyalty and end an investigation into a senior aide.

Mr. Rosenstein was just two weeks into his job. He had begun overseeing the Russia investigation and played a key role in the president’s dismissal of Mr. Comey by writing a memo critical of his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. But Mr. Rosenstein was caught off guard when Mr. Trump cited the memo in the firing, and he began telling people that he feared he had been used.

Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials. Several people described the episodes, insisting on anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. The people were briefed either on the events themselves or on memos written by F.B.I. officials, including Andrew G. McCabe, then the acting bureau director, that documented Mr. Rosenstein’s actions and comments.

I have to say I’m a little skeptical of this one. The sources are anonymous, but more than that, there are no sources that claim first-hand knowledge of Rosenstein’s remarks — everything is coming from people who heard about it from other people or saw other people’s memos.

I can’t help suspecting this is a deliberate leak by the Trump gang to set up Rod Rosenstein to be fired, as a first step to shutting down Robert Mueller’s investigation.

UPDATE at 9/21/18 11:46:59 am by Charles Johnson

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384 comments
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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:34:34am

Even though it relies solely on anonymous sources, watch as Trump and his cult treat it as gospel.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:34:55am

Welp. Rosenstein’s likely gone by next week.

I guess this is the beginning of the end of the investigation once he gets his puppet in place and fully insinuates that the entire thing was treason against him or something?

Fucking shit sucks.

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austin_blue  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:36:37am

Yup. His “Sell By” date just expired, I think.

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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:37:11am
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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:38:40am

Shot:

Chaser:

There’s no reason to trust anyone in Trumpworld about anything. Rosenstein could have been frustrated about the entire situation he was thrown into, and sarcastically said it, but never acted on it. But it’s just as likely that this was a setup by others in Trumpworld to try and end the investigation using this as a pretext.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:39:40am

re: #5 lawhawk

From downstairs
Anyone else getting the feeling that the people that fed this story to the NYT were doing so in hopes of enraging Dotard into firing Rosenstein?

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:41:20am

too late, i think

Cohen Has Been Talking to Mueller for Weeks

…Trump has to worry about three offices going after him: Mueller’s, Underwood’s, and the SDNY’s. If he were to fire Mueller, that wouldn’t eliminate the latter two. And probably worst of all for Trump is that Cohen likely knows the answer to many of the questions the three offices have, and is apparently spilling all the beans in hopes of getting a lighter sentence for the eight counts he pleaded guilty to last month.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:42:06am

In current NC news….

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:43:02am
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Targetpractice  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:44:21am

We’ll know the fix is in when Lumpy leads with this tonight.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:44:54am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

The worst part is knowing the credulous media will take this at pure face value and act like the grand conspiracy against Trump was just exposed and let that taint any coverage of the Russia investigation.

We’ve been fucking played. Again.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:45:43am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Jared and Ivanka Trump to Maggie Haberman for 400, Alex?

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:46:03am

This seems like the sort of line in the story that means it probably shouldn’t have even been published because it’s likely a nothingburger:

A Justice Department spokeswoman also provided a statement from a person who was present when Mr. Rosenstein proposed wearing a wire. The person, who would not be named, acknowledged the remark but said Mr. Rosenstein made it sarcastically.

Again, I can’t imagine Trump being stupid enough to try Saturday Night Massacre II: the Stupidening, but maybe he really does believe that the GOP will win in November and that nobody can touch him.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:47:26am

re: #11 Citizen K

The worst part is knowing the credulous media will take this at pure face value and act like the grand conspiracy against Trump was just exposed and let that taint any coverage of the Russia investigation.

We’ve been fucking played. Again.

This is desperation, and it looks desperate.

Rosenstein isn’t even part of the cabinet and has no ability to do anything WRT the 25th Amendment. Nobody in justice would sign onto a plan like this.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:49:09am

re: #13 KGxvi

This seems like the sort of line in the story that means it probably shouldn’t have even been published because it’s likely a nothingburger:

Again, I can’t imagine Trump being stupid enough to try Saturday Night Massacre II: the Stupidening, but maybe he really does believe that the GOP will win in November and that nobody can touch him.

My spouse keeps wondering if he will try to say there is an emergency and use that as a pretext to delay elections for the indefinite future. I would have called that a laughable theory at any other time.

I can’t laugh it off now.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:51:00am

re: #15 Scottish Dragon

My spouse keeps wondering if he will try to say there is an emergency and use that as a pretext to delay elections for the indefinite future. I would have called that a laughable theory at any other time.

I can’t laugh it off now.

And the states go “Yep, well, we’re going to hold them anyway.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:52:06am

I baked a dozen of these. WHERE DID THEY GO?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:52:27am
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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:52:30am

Serious mistake by the NYT, I believe.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:52:57am

re: #15 Scottish Dragon

My spouse keeps wondering if he will try to say there is an emergency and use that as a pretext to delay elections for the indefinite future. I would have called that a laughable theory at any other time.

I can’t laugh it off now.

It’d actually be impossible for him to do it. It’s one of the advantages of our system basically being a patchwork of 50 different elections. The federal elections are run by the states, no way he gets all 50 states to go along with a plan like that. No way he gets any state to go along with it, honestly. Because if say 35 states hold elections and 15 don’t (or even vice versa) the subsequent constitutional crisis - who gets sat in the next Congress? - likely leads to civil war or some other unwinding of the Union.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:52:59am

re: #14 Scottish Dragon

This is desperation, and it looks desperate.

Rosenstein isn’t even part of the cabinet and has no ability to do anything WRT the 25th Amendment. Nobody in justice would sign onto a plan like this.

The administration has done a lot of desperate things. And the media as played along slavishly with nearly every single one allowing him to skate because any Republican gets treated as credible at face value, no matter fucking what.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:53:01am

While the GOP wants to control the country, they want it to be seen as legit by most of the people. They would be perfectly happy with a North Korea style “Dear Leader gets 110% of the vote” but they still want to go through the motions.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:54:04am

re: #19 Nyet

Serious mistake by the NYT, I believe.

Access journalism.

They prefer access over journalism, so they end up getting used to settle vendettas and are used to settle scores in Trumpworld, which operates like a crime syndicate where all the parties involved throw everyone else under the bus to show their loyalty to Trump.

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:54:37am

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

I baked a dozen of these. WHERE DID THEY GO?

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In my tummy.

/in my dreams.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:55:43am

re: #23 lawhawk

Access journalism.

They prefer access over journalism, so they end up getting used to settle vendettas and are used to settle scores in Trumpworld, which operates like a crime syndicate where all the parties involved throw everyone else under the bus to show their loyalty to Trump.

And the NYT seems to be trying harder than all the other ones.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:55:59am

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

I baked a dozen of these. WHERE DID THEY GO?

Get in my belly!

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:58:28am

You don’t need to put a wire on Trump to prove that he is completely fucking nutzo.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:59:04am

I just realized, Trump has replaced 4 cabinet level Secretaries less than 2 years into his presidency. Sure, one of those was because he brought the Secretary into the White House to be Chief of Staff - though actually saying that doesn’t really make it better - but that seems like an awful amount of turnover, doesn’t it?

HHS, DHS, VA, and State, for those wondering.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 11:59:52am

re: #19 Nyet

Serious mistake by the NYT, I believe.

Don’t attribute anything positive from the paper of record that has shown, over the decades, that they are ok with fascism.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:01:49pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Hey now! Look at the entire right wing universe suddenly taking the word of the New York Times and demanding Rosenstein be fired. This stinks to high heaven.

this is a stupid story and a totally misleading headline (the nyt, not lgf)

anonymous sources vs a first hand denial
and he said it was sort of a joke - which it probably was and everyone at th etime knew it

how about ‘anonymous sources suggest rosenstein’s 25th amendment joke fell flat’
or some other equally inane nonsense

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:02:02pm

re: #20 KGxvi

It’d actually be impossible for him to do it. It’s one of the advantages of our system basically being a patchwork of 50 different elections. The federal elections are run by the states, no way he gets all 50 states to go along with a plan like that. No way he gets any state to go along with it, honestly. Because if say 35 states hold elections and 15 don’t (or even vice versa) the subsequent constitutional crisis - who gets sat in the next Congress? - likely leads to civil war or some other unwinding of the Union.

Indeed, I know all that. This is Trump of course and he, ahem, doesn’t pay attention to things like laws or separation of powers and federalism. If he really thinks he is about to have a Democratic Congress come in to impeach him, I think he will do something to basically throw the chessboard on the floor. Maybe claim there is evidence of a terror attack coming on election Tuesday, call the NG under his control and basically shut down polling places “for safety”.

Or maybe something we just can’t think of yet. Some of this insanity was predicted in advance and some of it is stuff none of us saw coming…which is what terrifies me as we get closer to a legal reckoning. I don’t think he will go quietly like Nixon. He is a gutter fighter and a criminal, and he will do as much damage as possible on the way out.

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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:02:17pm
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Mike Lamb  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:02:17pm

I do believe the part about recording conversations—which isn’t “undermining” the president. That’s just covering your ass. At this point, anyone that has regular contact with Fuckface and that is NOT recording (or considering recording) their conversations deserves whatever they get.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:02:52pm
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:04:11pm

re: #28 KGxvi

I just realized, Trump has replaced 4 cabinet level Secretaries less than 2 years into his presidency. Sure, one of those was because he brought the Secretary into the White House to be Chief of Staff - though actually saying that doesn’t really make it better - but that seems like an awful amount of turnover, doesn’t it?

HHS, DHS, VA, and State, for those wondering.

and how many are ‘under investigation’?

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Varek Raith  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:04:58pm

Stupid fucking NYT.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:05:05pm

re: #35 dangerman

and how many are ‘under investigation’?

At the moment, none. In January… all of them.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:05:16pm

re: #34 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Is that supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing?

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:05:20pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:05:38pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:05:59pm
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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:06:05pm

re: #22 Belafon

While the GOP wants to control the country, they want it to be seen as legit by most of the people. They would be perfectly happy with a North Korea style “Dear Leader gets 110% of the vote” but they still want to go through the motions.

Exactly. Most things in Nazi Germany were done nice and legal-like.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:06:29pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

I baked a dozen of these. WHERE DID THEY GO?

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I wish I had one with a scoop of French Vanilla ice cream on top!

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:06:54pm

re: #38 Belafon

Is that supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing?

Um… yes?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:08:24pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:09:14pm

re: #2 Citizen K

Welp. Rosenstein’s likely gone by next week.

I guess this is the beginning of the end of the investigation once he gets his puppet in place and fully insinuates that the entire thing was treason against him or something?

Fucking shit sucks.

Trump can’t stop the state investigations.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:09:48pm

BBL. real hungry and pain level going up.

I know the last thread got heated and it’s best to step back and get some perspective.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:11:54pm

re: #32 Kragar

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“When you see Donald Trump, stop believing anything he says. It’s a lie.”

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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:12:20pm
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:12:24pm

re: #39 MsJ

InfoWars says they were cut off by PayPal for promoting hate and discrimination. The site allowed PayPal payments on its online store

deal with it
marijuana dispensaries figured it out

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:12:28pm

re: #36 Varek Raith

Stupid fucking NYT.

Makes me scratch my head. Was this a case of Dan Rathering the NYT?

If they run it, they are discredited when it turns out to be false, playing into Trump’s narrative.
But until it is discredited, it feeds Trumps narrative about the DOJ/FBI.
And even when it is discredited, the RWNJ will say it is true even though it came from the lying NYT.

Some pretty good agitprop, almost Putin quality.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:13:21pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

I wish I had one with a scoop of French Vanilla ice cream on top!

the ‘primary’ flavors are underrated

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:13:27pm
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:13:52pm

re: #46 Patricia Kayden

Trump can’t stop the state investigations.

new york is all over it

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:14:21pm
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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:15:13pm

re: #49 Kragar

Considering everyone but the GOP wants the investigation to continue, he’s not going to get much support.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:18:11pm

re: #56 Belafon

Considering everyone but the GOP wants the investigation to continue, he’s not going to get much support.

But he probably assumes that (for now, anyway) having GOP support is all that’s necessary. And sadly, it’s not a given that he’s wrong.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:19:14pm

re: #56 Belafon

Considering everyone but the GOP wants the investigation to continue, he’s not going to get much support.

It doesn’t really matter since the only support that seems to matter, both in Washington, and in the media at large, is Republican support, and they’ve continually made that clear time and time again.

They’re going to shitcan this and use the media’s own credulity to obfuscate their way out of any consequence. Again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:19:51pm

I wonder if one of the anonymous sources on this was the same person who wrote the infamous op-ed?

🤔

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banditqueen  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:19:56pm

Or… could it have been someone who looks like Rosenstein? That seems to be happening all the time per Whelan and Parker. ///

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:20:15pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:22:04pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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They get excited when a trash-person who was once famous shows up for the bigoted dopes to look up to.

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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:22:36pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:22:39pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:23:53pm

re: #60 banditqueen

Or… could it have been someone who looks like Rosenstein? That seems to be happening all the time per Whelan and Parker. ///

Welcome hatchling.

Thick shell? Glad you got through it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:23:55pm

Fake news! False flag! Where’s Alex Jones?
You there, Alex?
………. Alex?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:24:36pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:24:41pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:26:29pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:27:36pm

re: #1 Mike Lamb

Even though it relies solely on anonymous sources, watch as Trump and his cult treat it as gospel.

But then the anonymous source that wrote the NYT OpEd about Trump not fit for office was of the devil and trying to wipe out a good man.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:27:38pm

re: #69 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I agree Lindsay. We should beware of NYT stories about old white people at diners accepting everything Trump does.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:30:00pm

re: #63 Kragar

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this makes the nyt story, not so much spin as intentionally malicious

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:32:00pm

re: #7 dangerman

too late, i think

Cohen Has Been Talking to Mueller for Weeks

Some of the reports out of MSNBC early this week were saying Cohen isn’t just going for a lighter sentence, he is pissed off enough at Trump and how he acted in Helsinki to now claim he is doing it to help out his country.

In other words he has now become a Trump enemy and is out to help bring Trump down.

No way to know, but I hope that is the case.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:33:12pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

Some of the reports out of MSNBC early this week were saying Cohen isn’t just going for a lighter sentence, he is pissed off enough at Trump and how he acted in Helsinki to now claim he is doing it to help out his country.

In other words he has now become a Trump enemy and is out to help bring Trump down.

No way to know, but I hope that is the case.

Remember the third X-Men movie, where Magneto sacrifices Mystique and then she spills everything?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:33:30pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:34:15pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

Some of the reports out of MSNBC early this week were saying Cohen isn’t just going for a lighter sentence, he is pissed off enough at Trump and how he acted in Helsinki to now claim he is doing it to help out his country.

In other words he has now become a Trump enemy and is out to help bring Trump down.

No way to know, but I hope that is the case.

He’s been talking to prosecutors in NY about Trump Org and the Trump Foundation too. Trump and his three complicit kids are in real trouble.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:35:09pm

re: #14 Scottish Dragon

This is desperation, and it looks desperate.

Rosenstein isn’t even part of the cabinet and has no ability to do anything WRT the 25th Amendment. Nobody in justice would sign onto a plan like this.

Exactly. Another amateurish attempt at ginning up a story that makes no sense on its face.

Red Hats will eat it up like groceries, though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:35:27pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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They all have one major thing in common. Deep misogyny issues.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:36:05pm

re: #76 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’s been talking to prosecutors in NY about Trump Org and the Trump Foundation too. Trump and his three complicit kids are in real trouble.

Good Ivanka can design her own jumpsuit.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:36:25pm

re: #22 Belafon

While the GOP wants to control the country, they want it to be seen as legit by most of the people. They would be perfectly happy with a North Korea style “Dear Leader gets 110% of the vote” but they still want to go through the motions.

Not entirely sure that’s true any more.

When you look at the underlying attitudes of the GOP, and the utter ignorance of the so-called “independents” you quickly see that they would totally be on board with suspending elections, eliminating all vestiges of democracy, as long as they could maintain their feelings of superiority to blah people.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:36:25pm

re: #16 Belafon

And the states go “Yep, well, we’re going to hold them anyway.”

Yep. Remember Ghouliani tried pulling that shit right after 9/11 and got slapped down hard for it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:36:59pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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sagehen  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:37:24pm

re: #15 Scottish Dragon

My spouse keeps wondering if he will try to say there is an emergency and use that as a pretext to delay elections for the indefinite future. I would have called that a laughable theory at any other time.

I can’t laugh it off now.

9/11 happened on primary day for NYC’s mayoral election. We ended up rescheduling for two weeks later.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:37:55pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Good Melania can design her own jumpsuit.

Will it have I REALLY DON’T CARE on it?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:38:01pm

I’ve decided it Friday afternoon Spaghetti Western time.
Django (1966)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:38:23pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:39:39pm

re: #39 MsJ

Alex Jones just can’t catch a break these days.

Hahahahahahahahaaaaaa…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:40:25pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ve decided it Friday afternoon Spaghetti Western time.
Django (1966)

For me, Friday evening (my time) was an old classic - The Fog, the 1980 flick from John Carpenter.

Still a nicely creepy little low-budget film with a nice little jump scare right at the end. Scared the bejeesus out of my girlfriend, too. Heh.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:40:36pm

re: #84 Jay C

Will it have I REALLY DON’T CARE on it?

I mean Ivanka. Haha

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:40:38pm
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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:43:53pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

those two exchanging law suit threats feels like two peacocks strutting with their feathers out trying to chase off other males… two stupid birds that are just going to shit all over everything.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:44:23pm
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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:45:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:45:49pm

This whole stinks so much.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:46:50pm

re: #93 Kragar

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Why do we take you hacks seriously about anything? These idiots.

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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:47:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:47:20pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:47:21pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

What is white supremacist dirtbag Chuck C. Johnson doing hanging around Trump Tower LV while Trump is in town?

Trying to insert himself into politics, probably. It’s what he does.
The Trump gang is stupid enough to try to work with him, but he’d be there whether they want him there or not.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:48:05pm

re: #74 Belafon

Remember the third X-Men movie, where Magneto sacrifices Mystique and then she spills everything?

No, because I am not into those types of movies. Not much of a comic book or fantasy type of fan.

I’ve always been too busy trying to figure out all the unbelievable real stuff people do.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:48:37pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

It’s happening all over again.

And it’ll work again, long enough for hindsight to not matter, because that’s what always seems to fucking happen.

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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:48:49pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:48:58pm
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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:50:01pm
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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:50:05pm

re: #100 Citizen K

It’s happening all over again.

And it’ll work again, long enough for hindsight to not matter, because that’s what always seems to fucking happen.

This is something like Trump’s third attempt to find a reason to fire Rosenstein.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:50:49pm

re: #101 Kragar

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What boy hasn’t done this? What high school boys did they know or raise? JFC these people are sick.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:50:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:51:23pm

re: #103 Kragar

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Western Pa returning to its Dem roots, good.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:51:37pm

re: #101 Kragar

I’ve got two boys that have gone through high school and haven’t done anything like that.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:52:08pm

Confirmed… this is really not good.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:52:32pm

re: #106 MsJ

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It’s like they’re so stupid that they can’t separate what Dr. Ford is required to do as a professional versus her private life.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:52:46pm
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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:53:33pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

The only constants in the conservative movement is failing upward and the deification of the platonic asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:53:33pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

Confirmed… this is really not good.

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I scoffed at his claims to know certain high ups in the right but he’s definitely got some important friends or fund daddies.

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ipsos  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:53:35pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

It’s like they’re so stupid that they can’t separate what Dr. Ford is required to do as a professional versus her private life.

It’s like they’re so stupid they don’t know the difference between a Ph.D. and an M.D.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:54:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:54:36pm

re: #114 ipsos

It’s like they’re so stupid they don’t know the difference between a Ph.D. and an M.D.

That too.

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Kragar  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:54:50pm
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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:55:18pm

re: #102 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

re: #111 MsJ

Am I missing something? Isn’t she listing off the NYT’s greatest hits of verifiable bullshit they published at face value that blew up in their faces far too late?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:55:35pm

re: #115 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Nah give them credit. GOP women can be just as evil as men. Look at Palin, Coulter, & others.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:56:10pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

It’s like they’re so stupid that they can’t separate what Dr. Ford is required to do as a professional versus her private life.

They’re talking about the present day Dr vs the 15 year old girl. That’s a level of stupid I literally can’t even.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:56:26pm

Republicans only think Kavanaugh is a good guy because of his philosophy.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:56:31pm
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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:56:31pm

re: #118 Citizen K

Am I missing something? Isn’t she listing off the NYT’s greatest hits of verifiable bullshit they published at face value that blew up in their faces far too late?

That’s how I read it, yeah.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:56:39pm

re: #114 ipsos

Or an adult and a child.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:57:20pm

Twitter fight not a fair fight

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:57:43pm

re: #120 MsJ

They’re talking about the present day Dr vs the 15 year old girl. That’s a level of stupid I literally can’t even.

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I am not on that chart.

I have been at “No Evens At All” since November 2016.

Those women in that CNN video scare me.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:57:48pm

re: #120 MsJ

They’re talking about the present day Dr vs the 15 year old girl. That’s a level of stupid I literally can’t even.

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I know. It’s patently absurd but then again the idea these two dumbasses have a platform is just as. I’m missing what their point is. That there are two black wonton dunb enough to embrace Trump?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:57:50pm
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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 12:59:40pm

re: #125 gocart mozart

Twitter fight not a fair fight

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That dude is brutal when need be.

Haberman felt that clap back through her keyboard.

(I wonder if she even knows who he is?)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:00:02pm

re: #118 Citizen K

Am I missing something? Isn’t she listing off the NYT’s greatest hits of verifiable bullshit they published at face value that blew up in their faces far too late?

I looked at Katie’s timeline and she does not seem to be a bot or a wingnut. I think she was being sarcastic.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:01:11pm

re: #130 The Vicious Babushka

I looked at Katie’s timeline and she does not seem to be a bot or a wingnut. I think she was being sarcastic.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I saw too. She was damning Maggie and the NYT by their own headlines.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:02:13pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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(counts bumps at bottom…)

Yep, seven. Seven Mountains. I knew what it was as soon as I looked at the first shot.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:03:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:05:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:07:13pm

re: #133 gocart mozart

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God he even looks like an old English man afraid of foreigners.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:07:52pm
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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:08:28pm

re: #80 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Not entirely sure that’s true any more.

When you look at the underlying attitudes of the GOP, and the utter ignorance of the so called “independents” you quickly see that they would totally be on board with suspending elections, eliminating all vestiges of democracy, as long as they could maintain their feelings of superiority to blah people.

But that doesn’t mean they won’t do it “nice and legal-like”. Get a few more laws against protesting, laws requiring standing for the flag, a few more supreme court decisions in favor of gerrymandering and secret political contributions, etc. Historically, dictatorships go to great lengths to operate under the cover of law, because it keeps the authoritarians from ever questioning the actions. There are plenty of laws that could be created to suspend elections as long as there is a compliant (complicit) judiciary and military.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:08:56pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

God he even looks like an old English man afraid of foreigners.

Because he is.

It’s beyond me how a person who has traveled the world as extensively as Moz has could turn out to be such a bigot.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:09:13pm

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:10:04pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:11:25pm
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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:11:54pm

re: #51 Old Liberal

Makes me scratch my head. Was this a case of Dan Rathering the NYT?

If they run it, they are discredited when it turns out to be false, playing into Trump’s narrative.
But until it is discredited, it feeds Trumps narrative about the DOJ/FBI.
And even when it is discredited, the RWNJ will say it is true even though it came from the lying NYT.

Some pretty good agitprop, almost Putin quality.

Yeah, I think it was cat phishing.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:12:57pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

I baked a dozen of these. WHERE DID THEY GO?

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Those look soooo gooood

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:13:23pm

re: #108 Belafon

I’ve got two boys that have gone through high school and haven’t done anything like that.

I could walk you through my high school yearbook and out of a class of 55 boys, maybe 8 were abusers. That is way too many, and I got in their faces plenty of times. But they abused multiple women, so I can see why some women would feel it was “all the boys”.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:15:41pm

re: #139 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I still watch Bill Maher…but he covers about a third of those libertarian types…sometimes all in one evening.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:17:24pm

re: #138 makeitstop

Because he is.

It’s beyond me how a person who has traveled the world as extensively as Moz has could turn out to be such a bigot.

Yeah I don’t get that either.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:18:05pm
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:19:21pm

re: #76 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’s been talking to prosecutors in NY about Trump Org and the Trump Foundation too. Trump and his three complicit kids are in real trouble.

you dont mess with a foundatnions’ accounting and you especially dont do that in new york

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:19:51pm

re: #145 Scottish Dragon

I still watch Bill Maher…but he covers about a third of those libertarian types…sometimes all in one evening.

He wants the quickest way to get legally stoned. That’s how I see him. And you know what getting stoned is great but it’s not the only issue.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:20:21pm

re: #82 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That shows terrible character. The rage furby is the bottom of the barrel of bigoted propagandists. Stone hates Johnson these days, because of the furby’s personality disorder. No one can spend much time with him and still tolerate him.

i cant tolerate looking at his picture

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:20:46pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ve decided it Friday afternoon Spaghetti Western time.
Django (1966)

oh yes

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:22:29pm

re: #133 gocart mozart

Sparks - “Lighten Up Morrissey” (official video)

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:22:46pm

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:23:08pm

re: #139 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

This one is for you!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:26:42pm

re: #145 Scottish Dragon

I still watch Bill Maher…but he covers about a third of those libertarian types…sometimes all in one evening.

I sometimes watch. I have a Libertarian, formerly Conservative, friend who’d be the “briefly tempting” type if I hadn’t already been through a Heinlein phase myself decades ago. He was in the green room during the IL Governors debate this week because the Libertarian candidate, Kash Jackson (who should be an action hero), met the requirements to join the debate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:28:49pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

He wants the quickest way to get legally stoned. That’s how I see him. And you know what getting stoned is great but it’s not the only issue.

That mission has been accomplished in CA where he lives.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:29:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:29:29pm

re: #156 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That mission has been accomplished in CA where he lives.

That’s right. I had actually forgotten that. You know? I love his format but I don’t like him.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:30:06pm

re: #154 Scottish Dragon

#153 was intended for you, Scottish Dragon. I don’t have the hang of the secret message.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:30:21pm

re: #152 Nyet

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Video

I love that video. The Maels were pretty brilliant.

Wonder if it got a chuckle out of Mr. Crabbypants…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:30:42pm

re: #157 gocart mozart

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I really want to wake up and Jordan Peterson to be irrelevant. And treason? It’s not treason to hate Trump.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:30:50pm

re: #148 dangerman

you dont mess with a foundatnions’ accounting and you especially dont do that in new york

Trump is a man who thinks that laws are for little people. The end of this tragic and hilarious tale was obvious from the moment Trump accidentally won the primary.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:31:30pm

re: #153 Old Liberal

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:32:05pm
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:32:13pm

i have a crapload of favorites pinned to my account

happens when i go to upding a comment

apparently i have fat fingers

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:33:16pm

re: #160 makeitstop

I love that video. The Maels were pretty brilliant.

Wonder if it got a chuckle out of Mr. Crabbypants…

Wow, I looked it up. Moz was a Sparks fanboi.

Sparks were so adored by Smiths vocalist Morrissey in his younger days that he allegedly used to steal bits of the bread rolls they had for breakfast. The Mael brothers returned the favor with this song. Russell Mael told Q magazine: “The song is about a guy telling himself that if Morrissey would lighten up he would maybe stand a better chance with this girl (who was obsessed with him). We wanted to head any possible misunderstanding off at the pass and we got Morrissey a copy of it early on. He loved it and was apparently playing it before some of his shows.”
In a Songfacts interview with Sparks, Russell Mael talked about Morrissey’s reaction to this song. “He didn’t promise to lighten up, but he really liked the song a lot. We were happy that he liked it.”

Russell added: “It wasn’t meant to be a derogatory thing towards him. It was observational. We did hear from him, and he liked it so much, in fact, we did a video for that song and he used the video to precede some of the shows that he did. He used it as one of the projections before he goes on. He has a sense of humor enough to like the spirit of that song. He likes Sparks so much that he can bypass that.”

Heh.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:33:18pm

re: #159 Old Liberal

#153 was intended for you, Scottish Dragon. I don’t have the hang of the secret message.

wait’ll we let you in on the handshake…

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:33:56pm

re: #165 dangerman

i have a crapload of favorites pinned to my account

happens when i go to upding a comment

apparently i have fat fingers

Just be glad it doesn’t happen when you go to downding. There must be some good ones in there.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:34:57pm

re: #165 dangerman

i have a crapload of favorites pinned to my account

happens when i go to upding a comment

apparently i have fat fingers

I have the same situation, and clean them up once in a while.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:35:32pm

re: #139 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’ll cop to being, on different occasions: briefly tempting; arrogant; left-wing; and, well… stoned.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:36:49pm

re: #159 Old Liberal

#153 was intended for you, Scottish Dragon. I don’t have the hang of the secret message.

You have to ritually thump your device three times and apply sacred unguents while intoning praises to The Machine God.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:36:50pm

re: #167 dangerman

wait’ll we let you in on the handshake…

It’s not the creepy one where you rub your finger on my palm………..I hope

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:37:05pm

re: #162 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump is a man who thinks that laws are for little people. The end of this tragic and hilarious tale was obvious from the moment Trump accidentally won the primary.

oh yeah

they were ‘getting away’ with it for years because no one was looking
even though foundation tax returns are public documents its still easy to bury stuff

once he decided to run it was a big “LOOK OVER HERE EVERYBODY”

either they actually thought they could get away with it all and/or no one would find anything

or someone said - this is insane, and was totally ignored

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:37:22pm

re: #170 KGxvi

I’ll cop to being, on different occasions: briefly tempting; arrogant; left-wing; and, well… stoned.

Stoned goes without saying for me. It’s so routine it’s not worth mentioning.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:37:26pm

re: #170 KGxvi

I’ll cop to being, on different occasions: briefly tempting; arrogant; left-wing; and, well… stoned.

Is there a club for that? If so, where do I sign up?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:38:25pm

re: #172 Old Liberal

It’s not the creepy one where you rub your finger on my palm………..I hope

It’s ok, it’s not the regular one. In this one, the finger is wet with a mystery substance.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:39:03pm

re: #175 makeitstop

Is there a club for that? If so, where do I sign up?

The stoned part could make the arrogant part tolerable.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:40:49pm

re: #171 Scottish Dragon

You have to ritually thump your device three times and apply sacred unguents while intoning praises to The Machine God.

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Luke Skywalker really let himself go.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:40:50pm
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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:41:01pm

re: #177 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The stoned part could make the arrogant part tolerable.

Honestly, the arrogant usually gets used against conservatives more than liberals.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:42:00pm

Some of those Libertarians aren’t so bad. To me though, there’s a direct correlation with how socially liberal someone is with how fun they’re do be around. People who are more chill about immigrants, pro-choice, pro SSM, pro-pot, etc are much more likely to be more fun to be with than those who aren’t.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:42:52pm

re: #180 KGxvi

Honestly, the arrogant usually gets used against conservatives more than liberals.

Really I thought there was a whole trope about the arrogant liberal. Brian on Family Guy is that and it’s hilarious as hell.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:43:09pm

re: #172 Old Liberal

It’s not the creepy one where you rub your finger on my palm………..I hope

or

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:43:31pm
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:43:35pm

re: #172 Old Liberal

It’s not the creepy one where you rub your finger on my palm………..I hope

or maybe

YouTube

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:44:23pm

re: #174 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Stoned goes without saying for me. It’s so routine it’s not worth mentioning.

what’s not?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:45:47pm

Shit guys I’ll level with ya. I was stoned last night and binged on Atypical. Just wanted to get away from creepy Kavanaugh for an evening.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:46:00pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Some of those Libertarians aren’t so bad. To me though, there’s a direct correlation with how socially liberal someone is with how fun they’re do be around. People who are more chill about immigrants, pro-choice, pro SSM, pro-pot, etc are much more likely to be more fun to be with than those who aren’t.

The old joke about the big annual Federalist Society event in DC every year used to be (don’t know anymore because I don’t run in those circles) was that after events were over, the conservatives would go one way and the libertarians would got another, and if you wanted a good time, you followed the libertarians.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:47:57pm

re: #188 KGxvi

The old joke about the big annual Federalist Society event in DC every year used to be (don’t know anymore because I don’t run in those circles) was that after events were over, the conservatives would go one way and the libertarians would got another, and if you wanted a good time, you followed the libertarians.

It would be the smart thing to do. I actually know quite a bit of D.C. libertarians due to some of my friends.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:49:29pm
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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:49:56pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

It would be the smart thing to do. I actually know quite a bit of D.C. libertarians due to some of my friends.

They used to, and I’m assuming still do, a national convention type thing in DC every year, so you get FedSoc members from around the country. I was supposed to go a couple of years and always found an excuse to skip it. Not sure if that was the smart thing to do or not, probably could have made some connections that would have helped me out early in my legal career.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:50:33pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:51:33pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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The typical scribblings you see from religious wackos!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:52:48pm

re: #191 KGxvi

They used to, and I’m assuming still do, a national convention type thing in DC every year, so you get FedSoc members from around the country. I was supposed to go a couple of years and always found an excuse to skip it. Not sure if that was the smart thing to do or not, probably could have made some connections that would have helped me out early in my legal career.

Speaking of the FedSoc, I think the clerk we had this summer was a member but I didn’t get to know him that well after training and we never discussed politics. Seemed like a nice kid honestly. I think it’s just because while I wouldn’t call myself punk or hipster, I’m definitely more rebellious than your average conservative professional- beard, four tats, world traveling to obscure spots alone, pot fan, etc. I always imagined the conservative professionals as the grown up versions of the bro types I knew in high school and college. Ones that had parties but with just beer and liquor or if they had pot, it wasn’t good pot.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:55:04pm

It is going to turn out that the huge scoop was from a litter box.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:55:07pm

Kavanaugh Bears the Burden of Proof
Wittes

As recently as a few days ago, I was cheerfully vouching for Kavanaugh’s character.

..the allegation against him is, at least so far as one can tell from the press reports, credible, and it deserves to be taken seriously.

If Kavanaugh were to ask my advice today—and to be clear, he hasn’t done so—I would tell him he almost certainly should have his nomination withdrawn.

Let’s start with a blunt reality: The sum of the allegations against Kavanaugh is, if true, disqualifying.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:56:38pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

Trumpkin who tried to sea lion me earlier then proceeded to add me to a list for future harassment. Blocked.

i just learned something new

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:56:56pm

re: #196 dangerman

Kavanaugh Bears the Burden of Proof
Wittes

Took him long enough but props.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:57:13pm

re: #197 dangerman

i just learned something new

Are you sure?

//

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 1:59:36pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Took him long enough but props.

its a pretty good article

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:00:02pm
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:00:35pm

re: #199 Nyet

Are you sure?

//

i see what you did there.
or do i?

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:02:43pm
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:03:50pm

re: #200 dangerman

its a pretty good article

also this:

It is possible to imagine his testimony shoring up support among those who want to support him but leaving everyone else with real doubt. This would be, in my view, a disaster for anyone who believes in apolitical courts. And it is not what Kavanaugh should want. Clearing one’s name sufficiently to convince only senators who are already ideologically aligned is not, in fact, clearing one’s name. It’s winning. And while winning may be the highest value for Trump, it isn’t actually the highest value—particularly for a justice.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:04:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:04:23pm

re: #193 Joe Bacon 🌹

The typical scribblings you see from religious wackos!

It’s more than that — it’s a literal picture of the Seven Mountains Dominionist ideology that drives much of the religious right, and preaches the necessity of gaining control of the government, the educational system, the media, etc.

It’s Christian supremacism, and it’s a huge force in the Republican Party.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:04:48pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:05:26pm

re: #204 dangerman

also this:

He gets it now even though I think he’s wrong. I think Kav did perjure himself. I’m glad he admits his previous strong bias in favor.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:05:33pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

What boy hasn’t done this? What high school boys did they know or raise? JFC these people are sick.

A majority of my friends were guys in high school. We drank and partied. Never once did any of them touch me inappropriately or even make suggestions. They were respectful to me. Not one of the guys I ever went out with attempted to rape me. Not one. Their mamas raised them right. Too bad these Republican voting women can’t proudly claim that about themselves. Geezus.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:05:55pm

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

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Ugly little man. But remember HRC is a bitch./:

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:06:36pm

Oh he’s not really hissing. He made that weird face to make sure his dentures (which he doesn’t wear!) are in place.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:08:03pm

re: #209 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

A majority of my friends were guys in high school. We drank and partied. Never once did any of them touch me inappropriately or even make suggestions. They were respectful to me. Not one of the guys I ever went out with attempted to rape me. Not one. Their mamas raised them right. Too bad these Republican voting women can’t proudly claim that about themselves. Geezus.

Exactly I liked well still do like to party. I’ve NEVER been inappropriate when it comes to touching. I’ve done stupid shit while drunk but never assaulted someone. And if I did, I’d own it and not team up to smear the character of someone else who actually vouched for me too.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:08:22pm

Brandon Friedman
✔
@BFriedmanDC
My favorite part of the Kavanaugh controversy is how people who are absolutely convinced they know exactly what happened in Judea 2,000 years ago have gaslit many Americans into believing it is literally impossible to know what happened at an event in 1983

9:04 PM - Sep 19, 2018

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:08:39pm

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Oh he’s not really hissing. He made that weird face to make sure his dentures (which he doesn’t wear!) are in place.

It was totally Silence of the Lambs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:09:56pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

It’s more than that — it’s a literal picture of the Seven Mountains Dominionist ideology that drives much of the religious right, and preaches the necessity of gaining control of the government, the educational system, the media, etc.

It’s Christian supremacism, and it’s a huge force in the Republican Party.

I can read the scribbling on 5 of the mountains but can’t make out the last 2.
1. Church
2. Family
3. Education (?)
4. Gov/Law/Military
5. Media
6. ??? (underpants?) - symbol is a star
7. B:Z??? (profit!!) - symbol is a $

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:09:57pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:10:05pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:10:35pm

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:12:01pm
Click to Reveal

After going to the local urgent care joint for a bunch of bites on my leg on Sunday, I’ve been putting antibacterial ointment on my ankle all week but it didn’t seem to be doing anything, so I went to see my regular doc this morning.

Turns out it was not cellulitis like the urgent care doc thought. The two bites that got ugly were spider bites. He gave me 10 days’ worth of Amoxycillin. Whee.

But at least now I’m less worried that my foot is going to fall off.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:12:04pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

And Kathleen Parker and Hatch’s mouthpiece. Nope, no COLLUSION there.

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Interesting Times  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:13:41pm

Remember that filthy little TaskForcePepe account that was posting violent death threats against Dr Christine Blasey Ford? Twitter finally got around to permanently suspending it.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:13:50pm

re: #219 makeitstop

Good deal. I think. I’m all for retaining appendages.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:14:22pm

They were prepared to cast suspicion on to an innocent man just to protect Kavanaugh. Disgusting.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:14:41pm

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Oh he’s not really hissing. He made that weird face to make sure his dentures (which he doesn’t wear!) are in place.

The animated version is worse. He looks like he just caught a fly with his tongue.

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lizardofid  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:15:45pm

Beto debates Cruz tonight at 6 local time Dallas. One place to stream is:

nbcdfw.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:16:05pm

re: #225 lizardofid

Beto debates Cruz tonight at 6 local time Dallas. One place to stream is:

nbcdfw.com

Kick his ass Beto.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:16:48pm

re: #222 MsJ

Good deal. I think. I’m all for retaining appendages.

Me too. After walking up and down a few block on Mulberry Street last night (eating Italian all the way!), I got home and my foot was a little swollen.

Didn’t hurt at all, though. Weird. Going by looks, I should be screaming in pain right now.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:17:21pm

re: #225 lizardofid

Beto debates Cruz tonight at 6 local time Dallas. One place to stream is:

nbcdfw.com

Normally, friday would not be the best time for a debate because football, but here in the DFW area, some games have been rescheduled due predicted storms.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:18:33pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:22:29pm

Hey, I forgot all about that FEMA thing where everyone was supposed to get a text blast. Wasn’t that supposed to happen yesterday?

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ipsos  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:22:30pm

My god, David Simon ran out of fucks to give a long, looooooong time ago.

Good on him for calling them out. I may not agree with him 100%, but someone needs to be giving them this kind of tough love, because it’s sure not happening within the newsroom establishment.

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:22:32pm

re: #213 dangerman

“But that’s different!”

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lizardofid  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:23:31pm

re: #228 Belafon

Normally, friday would not be the best time for a debate because football, but here in the DFW area, some games have been rescheduled due predicted storms.

True enough. Hopefully anyone who has a game hits the DVR before walking out the door!

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:24:42pm

I think I have a live one here:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:27:17pm

re: #234 Scottish Dragon

I think I have a live one here:

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I love how they’re concerned about that but not about the people they prejudge like you know Clinton. All is said that Kavanaugh should not be on the court. But that’s “lynching” according to people who are okay with actual lynching.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:29:29pm

re: #229 gocart mozart

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And the score currently stands at Simon 2, Haberman nil.

I hope she goes back at him again. She’s gonna need a good cut man, though.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:29:43pm

Obama Live
c-span.org

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:32:14pm

Hold on….dont do anything yet

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:32:17pm

re: #230 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Hey, I forgot all about that FEMA thing where everyone was supposed to get a text blast. Wasn’t that supposed to happen yesterday?

It was postponed until October 3rd.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:32:59pm

Speaking of the Russian horrors other than Trump/, I found this translation of a nice 1839 vampire story.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:34:22pm

Here’s a nice recap of the Whelan clownshow at Slate. The money graf:

If the people who helped construct and hype this notion really thought it would work, then this nomination is in on the verge of collapse. Whelan’s theory is astonishingly desperate, an outlandish and potentially defamatory Hail Mary that no rational person would find persuasive. His willingness to humiliate himself and destroy his reputation in a calamitously misguided effort to push Kavanaugh over the finish line speaks volumes. Hard as it may be to believe, this is apparently the best they’ve got. Their last, best hope to contradict Christine Blasey Ford rests on cobbled-together Zillow pages, Google Maps, yearbook photos, and a Facebook comment.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:35:21pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:35:30pm
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Scottish Dragon  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:35:54pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:36:30pm

This story was so obviously planted by the Trump team. After all this time screaming about the Fake NYT and “anonymous” sources, only to see them all treat this as gospel truth is not at all surprising. They want to get rid of Rosenstein. And then Mueller.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:38:18pm

Hoody Man sums it up.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:38:33pm

re: #232 TedStriker

“But that’s different!”

it certainly is

- woman actually in the room
vs
- no one today was alive at the time so anything you think you know is handed down hearsay on top of interpretation on top of translation, on top of fantasy on top of….

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:39:40pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:45:45pm

re: #125 gocart mozart

Twitter fight not a fair fight

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My deepest apologies for my recent comment defending Maggie. Remind me never to make that mistake again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:48:53pm

This fecking idjit==>

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:50:11pm

Republican MN Rep. Jim Knoblach ends campaign ahead of MPR abuse allegations story

detailed accusations from his daughter of inappropriate behavior toward her since childhood

is every R a perv?
asking for, you know, the rest of us

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:51:52pm

re: #248 gocart mozart

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Five quatloos says Haberman blocks him. She just got her ass handed to her.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:51:55pm

re: #249 Hecuba’s daughter

My deepest apologies for my recent comment defending Maggie. Remind me never to make that mistake again.

She gets prickly, defensive, and completely unreasonable when anyone criticizes her work or the NYT, no matter how respectfully that criticism is expressed. That doesn’t mean that your defense of her on other matters was out of line, and it doesn’t make her Trump’s biggest fan, either.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:52:43pm
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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:53:53pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

This fecking idjit==>

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Guy who called a concressman a child-molesting goat fucker says what?

Oh, I forgot - he’s ‘in the Spirit’ now. Still an asshole.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:54:23pm

re: #96 Kragar

Gregg Jarrett
✔
@GreggJarrett
Driven by vengeance, Rosenstein sought to secretly record the President. He must be fired immediately! Since a clearly biased Rosenstein has been in charge of the Mueller investigation, it must be terminated. This illegitimate probe has been tainted by corruption from the start.

2:10 PM - Sep 21, 2018
6,851
4,325 people are talking about this

Is this legitimate? Does he realize that he was blamed for the attack on Dr. Ford?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:56:34pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

This fecking idjit==>

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You have to understand - he really thought this Whelan thing was gonna be IT, that it was gonna save Kavanaugh’s ass. Instead, it blew up in his face.

A number of folks have gone back through the tweets and comments from the Wingnutosphere since Monday, and concluded that a LOT of them were either privy to Whelan’s nonsense, or at least knew that something was gonna come out. What’s not necessarily clear, though, is how many were in on all the details. If many of them were, then you really have to wonder about their thought processes, because you’d think at some point SOMEBODY would have tried poking holes in it.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:57:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:57:34pm

re: #255 makeitstop

Guy who called a concressman a child-molesting goat fucker says what?

Oh, I forgot - he’s ‘in the Spirit’ now. Still an asshole.

Supreme Court Justice.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:57:59pm

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Oh he’s not really hissing. He made that weird face to make sure his dentures (which he doesn’t wear!) are in place.

Every time I’m walking along with my hands full, I know people think I’m grimacing at them, but what I’m trying to do is keep my glasses from sliding any further down my nose and then off.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:58:10pm

re: #257 Blind Frog Belly White

You have to understand - he really thought this Whelan thing was gonna be IT, that it was gonna save Kavanaugh’s ass. Instead, it blew up in his face.

A number of folks have gone back through the tweets and comments from the Wingnutosphere since Monday, and concluded that a LOT of them were either privy to Whelan’s nonsense, or at least knew that something was gonna come out. What’s not necessarily clear, though, is how many were in on all the details. If many of them were, then you really have to wonder about their thought processes, because you’d think at some point SOMEBODY would have tried poking holes in it.

Exactly how innocent people act

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 2:59:13pm

re: #261 dangerman

Exactly how innocent people act

Just think how many of the Right’s “defenses” of Kavanaugh presume his guilt.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:00:07pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Supreme Court Justice.

Oops. Thanks.

Also - typo alert! Unless my guy was in Concress. LOL

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:00:26pm

re: #251 dangerman

Republican MN Rep. Jim Knoblach ends campaign ahead of MPR abuse allegations story

detailed accusations from his daughter of inappropriate behavior toward her since childhood

is every R a perv?
asking for, you know, the rest of us

# NotAllRepublicans

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:00:28pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:01:00pm

re: #263 makeitstop

Oops. Thanks.

Also - typo alert! Unless my guy was in Concress. LOL

Is it related to watercress? Is it good in salad?

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:01:14pm

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

Just think how many of the Right’s “defenses” of Kavanaugh presume his guilt.

Is it presume or just assume

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:01:48pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

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Hey, if Soros isn’t gonna get our checks to us on time, he can’t expect us to mount an attack on god and the gospels on time!

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:03:13pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

Is it related to watercress? Is it good in salad?

I think it’s feminine concrete, but I’m not sure.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:03:20pm

re: #267 dangerman

Is it presume or just assume

Presume: suppose that something is the case on the basis of probability.

Assume: suppose to be the case, without proof.

I think the former is more accurate.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:04:15pm

re: #264 Blind Frog Belly White

# NotAllRepublicans

Hey if all Democrats are Lefty socialist communist etc etc
Then godammit all Republicans

It’s sure shaping up that way

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:04:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:04:43pm

re: #269 makeitstop

I think it’s feminine concrete, but I’m not sure.

Not the the feminine version of Conqueror?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:05:22pm

re: #272 gocart mozart

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Probably helped Hatch the plot, if you see where I’m going with this….

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:05:52pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

Is it related to watercress? Is it good in salad?

Watercress isn’t good in anything.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:06:15pm

re: #272 gocart mozart

Whelan was talking to at least one gop member of the senate judiciary committee about his nutbar theory

Hatch.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:06:15pm

re: #241 makeitstop

Here’s a nice recap of the Whelan clownshow at Slate. The money graf:

Their last, best hope to contradict Christine Blasey Ford rests on cobbled-together Zillow pages, Google Maps, yearbook photos, and a Facebook comment.

This is how their minds work now. You see it everywhere—the ultimate distillation being QAnon. To them this is good thinking.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:06:15pm

re: #271 dangerman

Hey if all Democrats are Lefty socialist communist etc etc
Then godammit all Republicans

It’s sure shaping up that way

That’s why it’s in Wingnut font.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:06:45pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

This fecking idjit==>

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Why it’s natural to defend people who ho were raped as children you evil son of a bitch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:07:06pm

re: #275 Shropshire Slasher

Watercress isn’t good in anything.

Them’s fightin’ words!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:08:01pm

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #276 makeitstop

Great minds, etc.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:10:30pm

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

Presume: suppose that something is the case on the basis of probability.

Assume: suppose to be the case, without proof.

I think the former is more accurate.

I was going with it seems so prevalent why not assume this guy too…

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BeachDem  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:10:40pm

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

Is this legitimate? Does he realize that he was blamed for the attack on Dr. Ford?

Gregg Jarrett is a fox mouthpiece and one of the yam’s favorite cheerleaders.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:11:07pm

re: #283 BeachDem

Gregg Jarrett is a fox mouthpiece and one of the yam’s favorite cheerleaders.

Yeah different guy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:13:25pm

re: #282 dangerman

I was going with it seems so prevalent why not assume this guy too…

Seems probabilistic.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:13:32pm

I’m skimming through the book “Jewish Threat” by Bendersky and all this alt-right stuff is not even a regurgitation of the Nazi stuff, it’s what used to be mainstream in the American (and not only) military intelligence community in the beginning of the previous century (that’s where I’m at, the book goes on and on). It’s like reading a description of the Tsarist or Nazi propaganda departments, but those were all “upright”, respectable American citizens with impeccable credentials.

Very little has been written about America’s own history of anti-Semitism. In this shocking book, the first documented examination of anti-Semitism in an American governmental institution, Joseph Bendersky shows that such racism permeated the highest ranks of the U.S. military throughout the past century, having a very real effect on policy decisions. Through ten years of research in more than thirty-five archives, the author uncovered irrefutable evidence of endemic and virulent anti-Semitism throughout the Army Corps from the turn of the century right up to the 1970s. This fully developed and clearly articulated perspective had a direct effect on policy discussions and decisions, affecting such matters as immigration, refugees, military strategy, and the establishment of Israel. Written with novelistic intensity and attention to intriguing detail, The “Jewish Threat” forces us to revise some of our cherished notions about our country and its most revered leaders.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:14:40pm

re: #281 Blind Frog Belly White

Great minds, etc.

And then there’s us. ;)

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:16:33pm
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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:17:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:17:58pm

I was feeling somewhat nettled by some comments a friend of a friend made on FB about how few men even try to understand things like Dr. Ford’s experience and more generally women’s experiences, thinking she was being unkind to men.

Then I read ONE (1) tweet on the #WhyIDidn‘tReport hashtag and thought - Nah. Fuck men. Some of us try, but, Jesus, there’s a whole lot of horrible men out there.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:18:18pm

re: #286 Nyet

I’m skimming through the book “Jewish Threat” by Bendersky and all this alt-right stuff is not even a regurgitation of the Nazi stuff, it’s what used to be mainstream in the American (and not only) military intelligence community in the beginning of the previous century (that’s where I’m at, the book goes on and on). It’s like reading a description of the Tsarist or Nazi propaganda departments, but those were all “upright”, respectable American citizens with impeccable credentials.

The “Jewish Threat” forces us to revise some of our cherished notions about our country and its most revered leaders.

I’ve never had any cherished notions. I’ve always known, for example, that Nazi Eugenics was just direct imitation of many American programs, particularly California’s.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:18:29pm

Here’s the animated version of Preznit Snake Face.

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MsJ  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:18:59pm

Today has been a real bummer for humanity.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:19:00pm

re: #283 BeachDem

Gregg Jarrett is a fox mouthpiece and one of the yam’s favorite cheerleaders.

My bad — it was Chris Garrett who was slandered. :-(

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:19:14pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

I was feeling somewhat nettled by some comments a friend of a friend made on FB about how few men even try to understand things like Dr. Ford’s experience and more generally women’s experiences, thinking she was being unkind to men.

Then I read ONE (1) tweet on the #WhyIDidn‘tReport hashtag and thought - Nah. Fuck men. Some of us try, but, Jesus, there’s a whole lot of horrible men out there.

There really is. It’s hard for me to read the comments on stories mostly because of other guys who are fucking assholes of the worst kind.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:20:29pm

re: #293 MsJ

Today has been a real bummer for humanity.

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Fucking disgusting.

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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:22:04pm

re: #292 makeitstop

23… 24… 25.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:22:24pm

re: #292 makeitstop

Here’s the animated version of Preznit Snake Face.

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He really is losing what few marbles he has left. And none of them were aggies to begin with….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:24:14pm

re: #255 makeitstop

Guy who called a concressman a child-molesting goat fucker says what?

Oh, I forgot - he’s ‘in the Spirit’ now. Still an asshole.

90 proof…

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:24:17pm
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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:24:46pm

They’ll love him even more now.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:26:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:26:42pm

re: #300 Patricia Kayden

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Yeah hushing a young woman, turning up the music to keep her out is “nothing.” Your mother must have raised you terribly Kev. Fucking retrograde lying fucking asshole. Sorry for my language but this is Todd Akin shit all over again.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:27:08pm

re: #302 Patricia Kayden

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You should have been fired years ago for being Goebells in a skirt.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:28:17pm

I am just so disgusted by everything about the American right.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:29:32pm

KAC seriously going “Well it only happened once!” Lots of people murder only one person dumbass and they still go to jail. Lots of people rob only one place and they still go to jail. And she has no idea if Kavanaugh “stopped.” Apparently he’s definitely continued to view women as just sex objects if the reports of how what he wants from his female clerks are true.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:29:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:31:24pm

re: #307 Patricia Kayden

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You could start showing it. BTW your pal Kavanaugh is completely fine with them smearing Dr. Ford and you know it. Your Republican colleagues are too. But we get it, you’re “appalled” but then you’re going to go around and vote for his nomination like a good little Republican.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:32:04pm

O’Donnell is pissing me off lately with his too savvy by half bullshit.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:33:27pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:33:31pm

re: #288 Patricia Kayden

Kamala Harris ✔
@KamalaHarris
More voters now oppose Kavanaugh’s nomination than support it. Republicans should listen to the American people and reject Kavanaugh’s nomination. nbcnews.com …

12:12 PM - Sep 21, 2018

Rachel was saying last night Kavanaugh has the first negative (more people do not want him than do) numbers in the history of polling for Supreme Court nominees. I think she said he is now at -4. A week or so ago he was as low as anyone ever before at +3 which had fallen from a +7 a week before that.

He is now a boat anchor for the party.

And the anchor is still going down seeking the bottom.

I’d love to have a small camera following Mitch McConnell. I bet he is a real joy to listen too when he is getting hammered in politics. He likes to be the one in control. And he is still so damn cocksure Kavanaugh is going to be pushed through. This has to be getting to the old crank.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:34:23pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:34:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:35:22pm

re: #313 Patricia Kayden

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And these assholes deny white privilege. This guy shouldn’t be anywhere near women for a long time.

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Skip Intro  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:39:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:40:26pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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Seven Mountains, I see.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:40:39pm

Right wing logic: Deport people who have been here since they were kids who crossed the border illegally but also rapists belong on SCOTUS if they’ve only committed one rape. God I hate everything about these people.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:40:42pm

The latest revision of the party line - trying to split the difference between rape and attempted rape (edited because I realized I was talking about the same asshole).

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:41:09pm

This is America

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:43:00pm

re: #319 goddamnedfrank

This is America

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I’m getting more disillusioned with the country by the minute.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:44:02pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:44:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:45:55pm
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Nyet  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:46:19pm

re: #286 Nyet

A small but illustrative example will suffice.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:46:27pm

re: #322 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I’m very curious how Cramer’s high school experience was or if he just has extremely low standards for what a SCOTUS member should have. Seriously dude, fuck off. You didn’t even get her story right but yeah just kids. Maybe if it was your daughter or wife that was assaulted by Kavanaugh, you wouldn’t have your balls in his mouth.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:48:27pm
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:48:30pm

re: #300 Patricia Kayden

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She got away before anything happened.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:49:01pm

And Cramer says all this while the RSCC is attacking Beto O’Rourke for a DWI he did the punishment for already. God I hate everything about the crooked Republican party.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:49:46pm

re: #327 Eventual Carrion

She got away before anything happened.

Yep. Which despite what Cramer says isn’t good for Kavanaugh’s story.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:50:13pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:50:25pm

It seems to me that anonymous sources are a sword that cuts both ways: if we accept what anonymous sources say when we like what they say, we have to accept what they say when we don’t.

By the same token, if you spend 3 years claiming any anonymously sources mean that a story is completely untrue, then you can’t choose one anonymously sourced story that you like and assert that ONE STORY is true.

So, rather than simply accepting stories we like and not ones we don’t, we should perhaps see the story as reporting what the sources are saying, rather than reporting that what the sources say is fact. Sources say things they want to be heard/read, not because it’s the truth, but because they want people to think it’s the truth. 30 peoplein the Administration tell reporters the White House is in chaos, then 1) it’s probably in chaos, and 2) there’s no cohesion, or 30 prominent people wouldn’t be leaking.

So what do we make of the Rosenstein story? WashPo says the accounts from different sources are wildly divergent. It was serious, or it was a joke, or it didn’t happen. So…one of those. Or something else.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:51:35pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Yeah hushing a young woman, turning up the music to keep her out is “nothing.” Your mother must have raised you terribly Kev. Fucking retrograde lying fucking asshole. Sorry for my language but this is Todd Akin shit all over again.

Another thought I have on this assholes ideas.

He is in a room. I burst in with a gun and pop off a shot at him. I miss, and he escapes out a side door and makes his escape. No harm, no foul?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:52:20pm

re: #332 Eventual Carrion

Another thought I have on this assholes ideas.

He is in a room. I burst in with a gun and pop off a shot at him. I miss, and he escapes out a side door and makes his escape. No harm, no foul?

I think this gets back to the fundamental principle of “It’s okay if you’re a Republican.”

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:52:45pm

re: #318 makeitstop

The latest revision of the party line - trying to split the difference between rape and attempted rape (edited because I realized I was talking about the same asshole).

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Amazing how the Republicans know so much about what happened in a sexual assault case that did not happen.

This may be the largest attempt to prove something they say is wrong right by all of the various reasons they have attempted. The flogging is so public and they really think right-wing media is powerful enough to cover for them.

It’s a damn machine they have running. Programmed to create alternate explanations as needed. Sort of like a ten year old giving 45 reasons why they were not the one that left the refrigerator door open even though no one else was around.

Uh huh, sure, right…I believe that. Or that. Maybe that. That is better.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:53:51pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

I baked a dozen of these. WHERE DID THEY GO?

I ate them. With a tall cool glass of milk. Could I get another dozen to go please?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:55:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:55:41pm

re: #311 ObserverArt

Rachel was saying last night Kavanaugh has the first negative (more people do not want him than do) numbers in the history of polling for Supreme Court nominees. I think she said he is now at -4. A week or so ago he was as low as anyone ever before at +3 which had fallen from a +7 a week before that.

He is now a boat anchor for the party.

And the anchor is still going down seeking the bottom.

I’d love to have a small camera following Mitch McConnell. I bet he is a real joy to listen too when he is getting hammered in politics. He likes to be the one in control. And he is still so damn cocksure Kavanaugh is going to be pushed through. This has to be getting to the old crank.

The thing is, McConnell, and most Republicans, are willing to trade the Senate this election for a Conservative on the Court.

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:55:45pm

re: #300 Patricia Kayden

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I don’t care if I’m supposed to be better. I’d just love to find this guy in an alley, throw him to the ground, jump on him, cover his mouth, start attacking him, and then wait for him to later tell the police it was nothing.

How can anyone with a brain accept what these people are saying? This guy would piss in his pants if I came up behind him and said “Boo!”

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:56:51pm

re: #327 Eventual Carrion

So Republican Senators would be cool with their daughters almost being sexually assaulted, right?

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mmmirele  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:59:47pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

I want to know who Erick son of Erick thinks is attacking Jesus and the Bible. It’s probably savage and on point.

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2018 • 3:59:47pm

re: #339 Patricia Kayden

So Republican Senators would be cool with their daughters almost being sexually assaulted, right?

So long as her attacker is a fine, upstanding drunk high school student with a good pedigree.

/to me it would be a contradiction of terms

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:00:18pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

No Democratic President could get away with 1/100th of the nonsense Trump is getting away with each and every day. It’s outrageous.

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:00:50pm

I really want to watch the Beto vs. Ted Cruz debate that is starting now but f*cking Ted Cruz is going to be there.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:00:58pm

re: #321 Patricia Kayden

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Here’s where we are:

“It is unclear to what extent [Ed] Whelan was coordinating with members of the Senate Judiciary ….

Not “whether”

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Old Liberal  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:01:38pm

re: #339 Patricia Kayden

So Republican Senators would be cool with their daughters almost being sexually assaulted, right?

Apparently if it is a nice white boy from a well-to-do family. If it is one of them Mexican rapists, well then it’s a crime./////spit

I’m not a lawyer, but I think throwing someone on a bed and groping them is, by definition, sexual assault.

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blueraven  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:02:47pm

Anyone watching the Beto/Cruz debate? Starting right now.

Showing in Austin on KLRU (PBS) and also Cspan.

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:03:07pm

Link to Beto vs. Cruz debate:

nbcdfw.com

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:03:22pm

re: #331 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems to me that anonymous sources are a sword that cuts both ways: if we accept what anonymous sources say when we like what they say, we have to accept what they say when we don’t.

By the same token, if you spend 3 years claiming any anonymously sources mean that a story is completely untrue, then you can’t choose one anonymously sourced story that you like and assert that ONE STORY is true.

So, rather than simply accepting stories we like and not ones we don’t, we should perhaps see the story as reporting what the sources are saying, rather than reporting that what the sources say is fact. Sources say things they want to be heard/read, not because it’s the truth, but because they want people to think it’s the truth. 30 peoplein the Administration tell reporters the White House is in chaos, then 1) it’s probably in chaos, and 2) there’s no cohesion, or 30 prominent people wouldn’t be leaking.

So what do we make of the Rosenstein story? WashPo says the accounts from different sources are wildly divergent. It was serious, or it was a joke, or it didn’t happen. So…one of those. Or something else.

It wasnt only anonymous sources
The story also referenced rosenstein himself..that aspect was downplayed

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b.d.(true to form)  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:03:43pm

re: #346 blueraven

Anyone watching the Beto/Cruz debate? Starting right now.

Showing in Austin on KLRU (PBS) and also Cspan.

I am! Cruz is slimey but good in debates.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:03:50pm

re: #337 Blind Frog Belly White

The thing is, McConnell, and most Republicans, are willing to trade the Senate this election for a Conservative on the Court.

It is almost like they are prepared to kill their party for several conservatives on the court (packed) and so much deregulation and other changes it will take 30 years or more to recover, if some of what was changed ever comes back.

But yeah, they are all in and being extremely stubborn. That is pure McConnell.

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electrotek  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:03:55pm

First time I’ve heard him speak and I’m already sold (if I haven’t been before).

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:05:49pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

So long as her attacker is a fine, upstanding drunk high school student with a good pedigree.

/to me it would be a contradiction of terms

Oxy-Morons.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:06:12pm

It’s an odd thing to say that, because it’s alleged that Kavanaugh failed in his attepted rape, that “nothing happened”. That’s like saying if I choke you within an inch of your life, but don’t actually kill you that nothing happened. Or if I break into your house, put all your valuables in a bag, but then get scared off and leave the bag, that nothing happened.

There’s a reason we make it also a crime if you attempt to commit a crime but fail to complete it.

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:07:49pm

re: #349 b.d.(my doppelganger did it)

I am! Cruz is slimey but good in debates.

I need a mute button that works on both the sound and the picture. But then it has to all come back up when Beto is speaking.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:09:19pm

Beto hates Cops

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:09:50pm

This is going to to be the theme

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:10:21pm

re: #350 ObserverArt

It is almost like they are prepared to kill their party for several conservatives on the court (packed) and so much deregulation and other changes it will take 30 years or more to recover, if some of what was changed ever comes back.

But yeah, they are all in and being extremely stubborn. That is pure McConnell.

He has said that his refusal to consider the nomination of Merrick Garland was the most consequential of his career.

He knows that demographics will kill the GOP, as currently constituted, electorally in the next few decades, so his goal is to pack the judiciary so as to slow the change in policy down as much as possible.

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ObserverArt  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:10:22pm

re: #345 Old Liberal

Apparently if it is a nice white boy from a well-to-do family. If it is one of them Mexican rapists, well then it’s a crime./////spit

I’m not a lawyer, but I think throwing someone on a bed and groping them is, by definition, sexual assault.

Her obvious fear came when he put his hand over her mouth to shut her up. That is not a good boy just horsing around. The fact she has stated in detail her memory of it says it was forceful and sending a warning that it could get worse if you do not cooperate.

If that is not assault…what is it?

Again, the lengths they are going to excuse.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:10:31pm
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electrotek  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:12:00pm

Cruz loves to project

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:12:03pm

Cops “Shot in the Head” Over and over and over

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:12:07pm
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:13:36pm

National anthem time in the debate.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:13:44pm

re: #340 mmmirele

I want to know who Erick son of Erick thinks is attacking Jesus and the Bible. It’s probably savage and on point.

It’s probably due to a tweet that’s appeared in several places (see dangerman 213 above)

Brandon Friedman
✔
@BFriedmanDC
My favorite part of the Kavanaugh controversy is how people who are absolutely convinced they know exactly what happened in Judea 2,000 years ago have gaslit many Americans into believing it is literally impossible to know what happened at an event in 1983

9:04 PM - Sep 19, 2018

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:15:41pm

OMFG!!!! He’s going down the DixiCrat highway.

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wrenchwench  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:16:06pm

Dixiecrats. Where’s my drink?

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:16:23pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:17:24pm

re: #358 ObserverArt

Her obvious fear came when he put his hand over her mouth to shut her up. That is not a good boy just horsing around. The fact she has stated in detail her memory of it says it was forceful and sending a warning that it could get worse if you do not cooperate.

If that is not assault…what is it?

Again, the lengths they are going to excuse.

Simply grabbing her and forcing her into the room is already assault.

Forcing her down on the bed and trying to remover her clothes, then putting his hand over her mouth to stop her screaming, all after turning up the music to cover any noise is attempting rape. Getting stopped by his buddy Judge piling on and Blasey escaping makes it ONLY attempted rape.

The other guy jumping on seems odd to me. It almost makes me think Judge was not comfortable with where things were going and was trying to break it up somehow, but without saying, “Jesus, Brett, stop that!”

But I don’t know.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:17:35pm

WOW
Paul Gosar (R) is gonna feel this one, and it’s gonna leave a mark

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Charles Johnson  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:19:41pm
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Varek Raith  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:19:48pm

So….
We’ve gone from ‘he didn’t do anything’ to ‘he tried but failed’?
Wowzers…

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:20:10pm
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Varek Raith  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:21:45pm

re: #370 Charles Johnson

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It’s the pyramids man.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:21:51pm

Beto v. Cruz debate
c-span.org

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:23:13pm

re: #369 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WOW
Paul Gosar (R) is gonna feel this one, and it’s gonna leave a mark

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Amazing ad!! A very surprising ending! We need more ads like that.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:23:46pm
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plansbandc  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:25:48pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

It’s really getting to the point that I may have to take a long break from politics. I feel impotent rage every day.

I guess most people in this country want fascism. I fell like I don’t even have a country anymore.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:29:05pm

re: #377 plansbandc

It’s really getting to the point that I may have to take a long break from politics. I feel impotent rage every day.

I guess most people in this country want fascism. I fell like I don’t even have a country anymore.

I’m in the exact same boat. It’s distressing and deflating to see just how far we seem to backslide on the exact things that we were claiming ‘never again’ decades ago. And like I’ve said before, it feels like we’ve gone from feigned institutional ignorance to outright open institutional contempt. And all for the sake of permanent de factor GOP control over every single level of governance.

Something I fear we will not break in my lifetime at this point.

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BeachDem  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:34:02pm

re: #370 Charles Johnson

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Yep—I’d say it’s the dumbest take of the day, but I haven’t seen what Charlie Kirk and Jacob Ahole have to say:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:39:34pm

re: #339 Patricia Kayden

So Republican Senators would be cool with their daughters almost being sexually assaulted, right?

I’m sure Jesus will protect them…

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TedStriker  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:42:25pm

re: #214 MsJ

It was totally Silence of the Lambs.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 21, 2018 • 4:44:42pm

re: #359 gocart mozart

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I knew a guy like that, and totally believe that Don Jr. was an alcoholic bed-wetter.

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gocart mozart  Sep 21, 2018 • 5:15:58pm
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austin_blue  Sep 21, 2018 • 6:53:06pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

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Yep. A couple of days ago I mentioned that Biden wasn’t guiltless in the Thomas hearing by any means, blocking the testimony of witnesses who would have supported Hill. They never testified, and Thomas got in 52-48, the closest vote for a SCOTUS nom ever.


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