Axios and the New York Times Retract Reports That Rod Rosenstein Was Fired, or Resigned, or Whatever

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So this morning the news broke that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had been fired, or resigned, or something like that. In any case, he was out. This caused a huge uproar on social media, of course, because this is the current bright red line for Donald Trump.

Here’s what the original Axios article looked like.

The New York Times promptly reported the same thing.

And they both got played by their “anonymous sources.” Again.

Here’s the current story at Axios: Rod Rosenstein offered to resign.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has verbally “offered to resign” in discussions with White House Chief of Staff Kelly, according to a source close to Rosenstein, but as of now, it’s unclear whether his resignation has been accepted.

Background: Rosenstein talked last year about invoking the 25th Amendment and wearing a wire during Trump meetings, the N.Y. Times’ Adam Goldman and Michael S. Schmidt reported last week. He denied both allegations.

Clarification: This article and headline have been updated to add that it’s unclear whether the resignation offer has been accepted.

“Unclear” is such a flexible word. Covers a multitude of sins.

UPDATE at 9/24/18 1:36:03 pm by Charles Johnson

Yep, they got played, all right.

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453 comments
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:59:06am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:59:29am

How do we know if it’s the real Rod Rosenstein?

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:00:14pm
Clarification: This article and headline have been updated to add that it’s unclear whether any professional journalists actually work at Axios.

Fixed that for ya, Axios.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:04:39pm

re: #1 Single-handed sailor

Grassley: It’s not our job to listen to the will of the people.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:06:09pm
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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:06:13pm
“Unclear” is such a flexible word. Covers a multitude of sins.

“Stop saying it’s unclear!!! Just say you don’t know!!!”
Some days my wife has to tell me to stop talking to the tv.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:07:41pm

It’s live by the source/die by the source these days, but the problem is that the journalists seem to be failing to grasp that the story is that a source told them “X happened”, not that X happened.

So, in this case, the story is, “A source close to Rosenstein claimed that he’d offered his resignation verbally, but subsequent events call that into question.”

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:08:31pm

from downstairs:

“if i outlast the statute of limitations, if i outrace the cops, if i dont get caught, then i didnt commit that ‘crime’, didnt speed, didnt cheat on my taxes”

no

not getting nailed is not the same as innocent
no matter how much of a ‘model’ citizen you were in the rest of your life

its such a freakin asinine argument - i only tried to rob that one bank that one time. didnt even take anything. santa, i swear since then i’ve been good

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:11:25pm
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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:11:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:12:05pm
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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:14:11pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

It felt like a month, even more so than a week, wrapped up into less than 6 hours.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:14:39pm
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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:14:43pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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Infrastructure Week is hell, man.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:16:41pm

Reportedly:

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has verbally “offered to resign” in discussions with White House Chief of Staff Kelly, according to a source close to Rosenstein, but as of now, it’s unclear whether his resignation has been accepted.

Actually:

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said, ‘Sure, I’l resign, but when I do, the man at the top is going down.’ It is unclear how seriously his offer is being considered.

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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:17:32pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:20:11pm

Mitch is having a whinefest on the Senate floor.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:20:30pm

re: #14 makeitstop

Infrastructure Week is hell, man.

The Infrastructure Weeks will continue until morale improves.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:20:41pm

re: #14 makeitstop

Infrastructure Week is hell, man.

It was only LAST SUNDAY that Jake Tapper jokingly tweeted “At least it’s Friday”, because it felt like a whole normal week of news had come out in one day.

This feels like a whole Trumpian week of news has come out in one day, which is like 7 x 7 days, or 49 normal days worth of news.

And the funny thing is, we’re really back where we started Sunday morning. Kavanaugh still likely to be confirmed, Rosenstein still deputy AG.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:20:53pm
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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:20:59pm

Beltway media really distinguished themselves this morning (and indeed all weekend).

They’ve done such a bang up job.

The reality is that the NYT carried Trump’s agenda better than Trump inner circle could have imagined - almost giving Trump the ability to sack Rosenstein on bogus accounting of what was likely a sarcastic joke.

Axios then trumped the Times when they claimed Rosenstein was resigning ahead of Trump firing him.

Again, Trump was hoping to get media buy-in, all while the main consumer of these stories was Trump himself, who would then use this to 1) attack the media; 2) attack Rosenstein; and 3) shut down Mueller.

At same time, it gives Trumpworld ability to deflect attention from the Kavanaugh mess.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:21:20pm

The Matrix is fucked. Wipe out the entire drive and reimage back to Windows 3.1.

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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:21:36pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

Mitch is having a whinefest on the Senate floor.

Evergreen:

Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland can’t be reached for comment.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:24:21pm
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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:24:57pm

re: #22 Dr. Matt

The Matrix is fucked. Wipe out the entire drive and reimage back to Windows 3.1.

Then we just return to the 1990s.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:25:35pm

In Wingnut “books”, Jason In The Fox News House Chaffetz has a new one, I guess his first one, with the totally original title of The Deep State, because no one except like every wingnut has already written a book with this in the title, a subject wingnuts evented especially to defend this execrable, abominable presidency.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:25:35pm

re: #9 Single-handed sailor

So by my count the Rod Rosenstein story is at least the 2nd major story in the past week (with potentially massive implications) that was likely manufactured by the White House, fed to reporters, and published as fact. This is bonkers, guys.

its not turtles

it’s complicity all the way down

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:25:41pm

re: #24 gocart mozart

You’ll have to pry my chocolate from my cold dead hands Trump!

///

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:26:01pm

re: #23 lawhawk

Evergreen:

Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland can’t be reached for comment.

That’s who should question him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:26:43pm

re: #25 Belafon

Then we just return to the 1990s.

And no Baby Hitlers to kill….

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:28:56pm
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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:30:43pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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that baby otter is going “is he for me or am i for him….”?

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b.d.(i like beer)  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:31:00pm

re: #20 gocart mozart

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Those Garrison cartoons are just creepy as hell, cringe worthy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:31:54pm

re: #24 gocart mozart

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:32:10pm

re: #24 gocart mozart

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Coca, cocoa, what’s the difference?

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:32:23pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Otters on offer. Otters on offer.

My new mantra.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:33:51pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Otters on offer. Otters on offer.

My new mantra.

She offered her otter. He ottered her offer. And all night long, it was otter and offer.

Wait, that’s not how it goes.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:34:56pm

For those more talented than I.

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b.d.(i like beer)  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:36:43pm
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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:38:24pm

re: #40 thecommodore

“THE STRATEGY WAS TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING REALLY BIG”: TRUMP WANTED TO NUKE ROSENSTEIN TO SAVE KAVANAUGH’S BACON

It doesn’t work that way, Donald!

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Alephnaught  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:38:56pm

It’s been such a whirlwind day that I’ve only just thought of this:

When this whole Rod Rosentein Schrodinger’s Resign/Fire situation appeared (Even before it became a Schrodinger’s Resign/Fire/No resignation/Abort/Retry/Fail situation.) I did a Twitter search, just to see if anyone was keeping on top of the situation.

I noticed there was a whole heap of Trump supporters (Or Russian bots, who knows the difference these days?) tweeting along the lines of:

“YES! Well done our Sacred President! At long last you got rid of that Partisan Democrap Angry Man that is Witchhunyting you for HITLERY losing the election!!

#MAGA!!!!!

#WITCHUNT!!!1!!!11!!

DEEP STATE11!ELEVENTY!!!1112 #QANONFOREVER”

I wonder what they’re tweeting now- if anything. It could interesting to compare.

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Jay C  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:39:18pm

re: #14 makeitstop

Infrastructure Week is hell, man.

Especially when you have Infrastructure Week in one afternoon….

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:39:49pm

re: #42 Alephnaught

It’s been such a whirlwind day that I’ve only just thought of this:

When this whole Rod Rosentein Schrodinger’s Resign/Fire situation appeared (Even before it became a Schrodinger’s Resign/Fire/No resignation/Abort/Retry/Fail situation.) I did a Twitter search, just to see if anyone was keeping on top of the situation.

I noticed there was a whole heap of Trump supporters (Or Russian bots, who knows the difference these days?) tweeting along the lines of:

I wonder what they’re tweeting now- if anything. It could interesting to compare.

Dewey Defeats Truman

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:40:46pm

re: #20 gocart mozart

It’s a shame Garrison wasn’t born in the Twenties in Germany. He would have thrived during Hitler’s reign.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:41:07pm

re: #40 thecommodore

“THE STRATEGY WAS TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING REALLY BIG”: TRUMP WANTED TO NUKE ROSENSTEIN TO SAVE KAVANAUGH’S BACON

ludicrous

as if Ford, ramirez, the other victims, the dems on the committee, everyone who’s walking out on every campus in response to kavanaugh, avenatti, et al are really gonna …squirrel!!!!!!!!

rank amateurs
no class
no creativity (thank goodness)
no awareness

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:41:29pm

re: #42 Alephnaught

It’s been such a whirlwind day that I’ve only just thought of this:

When this whole Rod Rosentein Schrodinger’s Resign/Fire situation appeared (Even before it became a Schrodinger’s Resign/Fire/No resignation/Abort/Retry/Fail situation.) I did a Twitter search, just to see if anyone was keeping on top of the situation.

I noticed there was a whole heap of Trump supporters (Or Russian bots, who knows the difference these days?) tweeting along the lines of:

I wonder what they’re tweeting now- if anything. It could interesting to compare.

Delete, reboot, on to the next MAGA message as if nothing happened, or

Our awesome MAGA president sure is playing eleventy-dimension strategy chess on the those crooked Dems and Fake news media

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:42:09pm

re: #42 Alephnaught

It’s been such a whirlwind day that I’ve only just thought of this:

When this whole Rod Rosentein Schrodinger’s Resign/Fire situation appeared (Even before it became a Schrodinger’s Resign/Fire/No resignation/Abort/Retry/Fail situation.) I did a Twitter search, just to see if anyone was keeping on top of the situation.

I noticed there was a whole heap of Trump supporters (Or Russian bots, who knows the difference these days?) tweeting along the lines of:

I wonder what they’re tweeting now- if anything. It could interesting to compare.

Wait, so you’re saying that Rosenstein is both fired and not fired until we open the box on Thursday?

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Alephnaught  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:43:21pm

re: #44 Sir John Barron

Dewey Defeats Truman

That could be a meme…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:43:34pm

re: #45 plansbandc

It’s a shame Garrison wasn’t born in the Twenties in Germany. He would have thrived during Hitler’s reign.

The best thing about that cartoon? Woods, who has no relevance left outside of Twitter*, is still banned.

*Don’t believe me? What’s the last TV show or movie he was in?

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:43:37pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, so you’re saying that Rosenstein is both fired and not fired until we open the box on Thursday?

…at which time he will have turned into a cat

and before anybody objects - show me where it says the deputy ag has to be human

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:44:29pm

re: #51 dangerman

…at which time he will have turned into a cat

and before anybody objects - show me where it says the deputy ag has to be human

Well if we can have President Kang…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:45:57pm

re: #40 thecommodore

“THE STRATEGY WAS TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING REALLY BIG”: TRUMP WANTED TO NUKE ROSENSTEIN TO SAVE KAVANAUGH’S BACON

“Mr. President! You’re pumping arterial blood from that giant cut to your leg!”

“Uh-oh - you’re right! Thanks! Here, help me light myself on fire to distract everyone from the bloodspray!”

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:46:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:46:50pm

I don’t think Michael Avenatti should be running for president, but I don’t understand why people are being so skeptical of his claim to be representing a third Kavanaugh accuser. He’s delivered on some pretty big promises so far. Did he screw something up and I missed it? Because I think his claim of a third accuser is probably true.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:48:32pm

re: #40 thecommodore

“THE STRATEGY WAS TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING REALLY BIG”: TRUMP WANTED TO NUKE ROSENSTEIN TO SAVE KAVANAUGH’S BACON

Hey I had nothing to do with that prick!

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:50:02pm

re: #56 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey I had nothing to do with that prick!

Lettuce see… It was you and some tomato…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:50:08pm

Bob Mueller is a man who knows how to keep secrets. We need more like him.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:51:11pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Michael Avenatti should be running for president, but I don’t understand why people are being so skeptical of his claim to be representing a third Kavanaugh accuser. He’s delivered on some pretty big promises so far. Did he screw something up and I missed it? Because I think his claim of a third accuser is probably true.

If he wants to run for president, why would he screw it up with a fake accuser? He has to know that one fake accuser would collapse everything, and turn his chances to negative.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:53:22pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Michael Avenatti should be running for president, but I don’t understand why people are being so skeptical of his claim to be representing a third Kavanaugh accuser. He’s delivered on some pretty big promises so far. Did he screw something up and I missed it? Because I think his claim of a third accuser is probably true.

I think he thinks he has a credible third accuser. I also think his tweets last night were so incredibly goddamned salacious and over the top that absent the immediate presentation of witness statement and corroborating evidence they border on professional misconduct and libel. He’s a very high value target for someone like O’Keefe to feed a false story in order to embarrass and discredit, and my fear is that he’s getting played.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:53:55pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

Bob Mueller is a man who knows how to keep secrets. We need more like him.

You realize, we may well have a lot more like him, whom we don’t know about, because they can keep a secret….
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Kragar  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:54:34pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:55:35pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Michael Avenatti should be running for president, but I don’t understand why people are being so skeptical of his claim to be representing a third Kavanaugh accuser. He’s delivered on some pretty big promises so far. Did he screw something up and I missed it? Because I think his claim of a third accuser is probably true.

Rampant Speculations and suspicions. Mike needs to keep lawyering while keeping his ego in check.

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danarchy  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:55:51pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

I think he thinks he has a credible third accuser. I also think his tweets last night were so incredibly goddamned salacious and over the top that absent the immediate presentation of witness statement and corroborating evidence they border on professional misconduct and libel. He’s a very high value target for someone like O’Keefe to feed him a false story to embarrass and discredit him and my fear is that he’s getting played.

My opinion of Avenatti is that he is an arrogant boorish blowhard who is more concerned with self promotion than his clients…essentially Trump with a Law license and a slightly better vocabulary.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:56:21pm

west wing S1:E17, i just happen to be watching

Bartlet: Leo, the intelligence briefings…
Leo: I know
Bartlet: There are mornings I’m just nodding my head and that can’t be be good for anybody…

at least he was trying, and he had some measure of self awareness
even for a television character

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:56:43pm

re: #59 Belafon

If he wants to run for president, why would he screw it up with a fake accuser? He has to know that one fake accuser would collapse everything, and turn his chances to negative.

My fears stem from his penchant, bordering on addiction, for self promotion. He’s not Elon Musk level unstable but I still wish he was more of a fly fisherman and less this dude who likes to throw dynamite into ponds.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:57:37pm

re: #62 Kragar

Trump’s failing on all three, Tomi. More people are getting across the border, and Europe’s in more danger because Trump refuses to stand up to Putin.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 12:57:40pm

re: #54 Single-handed sailor

There is NO reason for a “time out” regardless of what happens with Rosenstein. Under the Special Counsel regs, Rosenstein/his replacement do *not* conduct day-to-day supervision of the SC. There is therefore no “confusion”…Mueller will just keep doing his work as usual.

he’s probably not even paying attention to this nonsense
he’ll maybe read about it in the morning paper

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:01:35pm

re: #62 Kragar

Michelle Obama said we “had” a great president. By what measure? Not in economic growth. Not in border enforcement. Not in strength on the world stage. Sit down, Michelle.

just a meaningless string of words that appears coherent by chance of their order

there are….charts, numbers.
it was in all the papers

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:01:47pm

re: #62 Kragar

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You’re an idiot Tomi. No one asked an illiterate bigoted moron like you to speak.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:02:18pm

re: #62 Kragar

Tammy’s hard troll of the day.

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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:02:47pm

re: #54 Single-handed sailor

People under investigation do not dictate how investigators operate.

It doesn’t matter who is under investigation. It’s a central tenet of the rule of law.

Trump is under legitimate investigation for federal felonies (note the plural). Trump’s already engaged in actions that are high crimes. His cronies and campaign team is a laundry list of people who have already cut plea deals and Mueller’s got Cohen, Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulos, and Gates all talking.

And the ones they’re talking about: it can only be Trump, his spawn, spawn in-law, and Pence.

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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:04:02pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Michael Avenatti should be running for president, but I don’t understand why people are being so skeptical of his claim to be representing a third Kavanaugh accuser. He’s delivered on some pretty big promises so far. Did he screw something up and I missed it? Because I think his claim of a third accuser is probably true.

people say what a coincidence that he should be repping an accuser, where does he find them? — without realizing the obvious that Avenatti’s been all over TV and is the first name would pop into an someone’s mind as the lawyer to seek out…

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Alephnaught  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:04:22pm

re: #47 Sir John Barron

Delete, reboot, on to the next MAGA message as if nothing happened, or

Our awesome MAGA president sure is playing eleventy-dimension strategy chess on the those crooked Dems and Fake news media

That was pretty much what these folk were pretty much saying- at that time, during the narrow time window I was describing.

This is the problem I have with this “11th dimensional chess” narrative: it immediately assumes the subject of the narrative is smarter than you are. And so it appeals to people who think that their leaders are smarter than they think they are.

As if: there’s this immediate assumption of hitherto unannounced or undemonstrated brilliance of the part of the subject that’s just patiently waiting around the corner, that they will suddenly spring out and ambush you- the critic of that person- when you least expect. This person, who you, and, basically, everyone, thought, was a bloody idiot, will suddenly reveal himself (it’s usually a he.) to be the EXACT OPPOSITE- AT THE VERY LAST SECOND. LIKE THE ENDING OF A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE. (ELEVENTY!!!1!!!!!12!)

In other words, I’m not at all surprised at all about this #QAnon bollocks in the last year or so…

Ahem.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:05:06pm

re: #73 sagehen

people say what a coincidence that he should be repping an accuser, where does he find them? — without realizing the obvious that Avenatti’s been all over TV and is the first name would pop into an someone’s mind as the lawyer to seek out…

Exactly.

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Kragar  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:06:02pm
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Jay C  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:07:11pm

re: #73 sagehen

people say what a coincidence that he should be repping an accuser, where does he find them? — without realizing the obvious that Avenatti’s been all over TV and is the first name would pop into an someone’s mind as the lawyer to seek out…

Yeah: basically several month of free advertising, courtesy of our “MSM”.
All that’s needed is the toll-free line: 1-888-TRUMP-SUX

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:07:11pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:09:45pm
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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:10:25pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

I think he thinks he has a credible third accuser. I also think his tweets last night were so incredibly goddamned salacious and over the top that absent the immediate presentation of witness statement and corroborating evidence they border on professional misconduct and libel. He’s a very high value target for someone like O’Keefe to feed a false story in order to embarrass and discredit, and my fear is that he’s getting played.

He said months ago (or was it only weeks? time all runs together now) that he had a bunch more women who’d come to him claiming a Stormy/NDA sort of situation and asking for his help… but that he hadn’t fully vetted them and couldn’t yet say how many (if any) were for real. He hasn’t said anything about them since; maybe they all turned out to be O’Keefe specials.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:11:41pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Michael Avenatti should be running for president, but I don’t understand why people are being so skeptical of his claim to be representing a third Kavanaugh accuser. He’s delivered on some pretty big promises so far. Did he screw something up and I missed it? Because I think his claim of a third accuser is probably true.

I think people are skeptical because of the way he’s teasing it out.

But I think that’s probably for a reason - he’s going to drop it on Wednesday night so as to throw Thursday’s testimony into complete chaos.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:13:10pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

Lucky bastards.*

*Broke left clavicle in bike accident at 16. Dislocated right clavicle in bike accident at 38.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:14:21pm
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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:15:35pm

re: #82 Blind Frog Belly White

Lucky bastards.*

*Broke left clavicle in bike accident at 16. Dislocated right clavicle in bike accident at 38.

should avoid bikes? ;-)

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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:17:07pm

Trying to parse out McConnell today versus over the weekend. He’s still pushing for a vote, but some are suggesting that he doesn’t have the votes for Kavanaugh to get confirmed.

Good.

He shouldn’t be confirmed.

He shouldn’t get out of conference for that matter. But the GOP and Trump are committed to both.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:18:20pm

re: #84 dangerman

should avoid bikes? ;-)

Should avoid cars and minibikes. At least, while riding.

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Kragar  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:21:08pm
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Alephnaught  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:21:11pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Look at that body language- the crossed hands on the knees! Oh my goodness.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:21:13pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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Welp. Here comes the choir boy bullshit & my husband treats women well.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:22:04pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Trying to parse out McConnell today versus over the weekend. He’s still pushing for a vote, but some are suggesting that he doesn’t have the votes for Kavanaugh to get confirmed.

Good.

He shouldn’t be confirmed.

He shouldn’t get out of conference for that matter. But the GOP and Trump are committed to both.

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Right wing dark money groups and the Federalist Society have been grooming Kavanaugh for this job for years, and they’re not going to give up easily.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:22:09pm

re: #45 plansbandc

It’s a shame Garrison wasn’t born in the Twenties in Germany. He would have thrived during Hitler’s reign.

As much as Nazi Germany was terrible for the world, their designers and artists that did war propaganda like posters and the like were good designers and artists.

Garrison would never have been allowed near them. He’s too over the top and his stuff is just too raw. Garrison does not know both when to stop and how to be subtle, even if the message is not.

He just plain sucks. Which is probably why he does what he does. He found his niche.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:23:55pm

re: #84 dangerman

should avoid bikes? ;-)

It’s not the bike. It’s the ground. Should avoid the ground. Or approach it slowly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:23:57pm

People have said Trump liked Kavanaugh above all the other Federalist Society Stepford Judges because he’s shown the most sympathy for Executive Privilege - or at least, when a Republican is President.

But one comment Trump made a couple times makes me wonder. He keeps saying Kavanaugh is “Central Casting”. It’s like he’s thinking solely about his physical appearance and demeanor, not anything deeper than aesthetics. And there have been numerous instances of this, like Bolton not getting the National Security Adviser job initially, because of the moustache.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:24:11pm

re: #62 Kragar

Stay classy, Tomi

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:25:05pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Welp. Here comes the choir boy bullshit & my husband treats women well.

“In the whole time I’ve known him, he’s never gotten stumbling drunk and tried to rape EVEN ONE 15 year old girl!”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:26:18pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Trying to parse out McConnell today versus over the weekend. He’s still pushing for a vote, but some are suggesting that he doesn’t have the votes for Kavanaugh to get confirmed.

Good.

He shouldn’t be confirmed.

He shouldn’t get out of conference for that matter. But the GOP and Trump are committed to both.

I wonder what makes him think he doesn’t have the votes. Are there seriously any GOP “no” votes, even after the past week of FUBAR? Flake? Collins?

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Jay C  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:26:21pm

re: #91 ObserverArt

As much as Nazi Germany was was a terrible for the world, their designers and artists that did war propaganda like posters and the like were good designers and artists.

Garrison would never have been allowed near them. He’s too over the top and his stuff is just too raw. Garrison does not know both when to stop and how to be subtle, even if the message is not.

He just plain sucks. Which is probably why he does what he does. He found his niche.

Julius Streicher probably would have given him a job doing cartoons for Der Stürmer.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:26:23pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

People have said Trump liked Kavanaugh above all the other Federalist Society Stepford Judges because he’s shown the most sympathy for Executive Privilege - or at least, when a Republican is President.

But one comment Trump made a couple times makes me wonder. He keeps saying Kavanaugh is “Central Casting”. It’s like he’s thinking solely about his physical appearance and demeanor, not anything deeper than aesthetics. And there have been numerous instances of this, like Bolton not getting the National Security Adviser job initially, because of the moustache.

I had forgotten about that. Trump is very image conscious. It’s why his administration is full of old rich white guys.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:26:36pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:27:49pm

re: #62 Kragar

Remember when conservatives cared about character?

Or said they cared about character?

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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:28:07pm

re: #96 Sir John Barron

He must be hearing from Flake, Collins, Murkowski, etc., that this isn’t good. Or he’s hearing from donors who say cut and run or else the blue wave is going to wipe out more than just house control (and McConnell loves to control the Senate).

Or that everything is about appearances - and Kavanaugh was not his first choice so he’s not tied to him nearly as much as Trump is.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:28:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:28:59pm

re: #100 Sir John Barron

Remember when conservatives cared about character?

Or said they cared about character?

The former, no. The latter? They still do, despite all evidence to the contrary.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:29:48pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

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Oh wow. Well you can’t say FNC doesn’t know how to choose em.

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Alephnaught  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:29:51pm

Seriously, I’m a husband of 17+ years. Does this body language suggest “husband and wife”?

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b.d.(i like beer)  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:29:58pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

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This interview is only for Collins and Murkowski, they are the only people on the planet who count.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:30:09pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Right wing dark money groups and the Federalist Society have been grooming Kavanaugh for this job for years, and they’re not going to give up easily.

This is astounding to me. Have there ever been any other such ad campaigns for/against a Supreme?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:30:26pm

re: #106 b.d.(true to form)

This interview is only for Collins and Murkowski, they are the only people on the planet who count.

And for the R base.

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lawhawk  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:32:39pm

re: #106 b.d.(true to form)

This interview is only for Collins and Murkowski, they are the only people on the planet who count.

And Trump. Moment he sniffs that Kavanaugh is wavering on loyalty to Trump, he’s toast.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:32:48pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

EXCLUSIVE!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:33:02pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:33:21pm

Yeah, about that Fox interview…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:33:21pm

I remember conservatives having a value voters summit but that was just a shit on modernity, anyone not a conservative Christian, & whine about how hard it is being a conservative Christian in the US jerkoff.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:33:37pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

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Yes.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:33:40pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:34:34pm
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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:35:21pm

re: #87 Kragar

My sister went to high school with her. Said she was highly political even back then.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:36:03pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, about that Fox interview…

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So Martha where were you during “Lock her up”? Oh wait, innocent until proven guilty only matters for conservative judges your network wants to falsely portray as upstanding citizens when they’re really just pathetic sexists like your late boss Roger Ailes who treat women like shit because of their deeply rooted assholism.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:37:39pm

re: #117 Belafon

My sister went to high school with her. Said she was highly political even back then.

If I remember reading right, they met as Bush operatives, but FNC will definitely try to play Mrs.Kavanaugh as an apolitical housewife.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:39:11pm

take a seat, Tiger Mom…

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:44:21pm

re: #107 BeachDem

This is astounding to me. Have there ever been any other such ad campaigns for/against a Supreme?

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Just saw one pro-Kavanaugh while watching MSNBC. Don’t know if that was just for Ohio or not. I have probably seen 4 or so ads that are pro-Kavanaugh over the last few weeks.

And speaking of ads…local stations here in Columbus have been really heavy on Ohio Governor campaign ads. Saturday morning, one commercial break on the morning news had six campaign ads. It started with a Richard Cordray ad, then a Mike Dewine…and then alternated. And they were all different ads. It’s been nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:45:12pm

No Kavanaugh isn’t on trial but you know what, someone with credible sexual assault allegations shouldn’t be on SCOTUS. And frankly the hypocrisy of the people who talk about jailing HRC crying about Kavanaugh being denied confirmation is one of the most pathetic acts I’ve seen of right wing deflection I’ve ever seen.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:46:07pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Should avoid cars and minibikes. At least, while riding.

even better

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:46:14pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

It’s also galling that they are okay with what happened to Merrick Garland. That’s what gets me all the time. Garland couldn’t even get a vote.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:47:11pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Welp. Here comes the choir boy bullshit & my husband treats women well.

“my husband hasnt molested anybody since college”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:47:38pm

re: #124 Patricia Kayden

It’s also galling that they are okay with what happened to Merrick Garland. That’s what gets me all the time. Garland couldn’t even get a vote.

Or a hearing. If I were Garland I’d tell Kavanaugh politely to stop whining his little ass off.

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Interesting Times  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:48:48pm

I’ve talked about “framing” before. So, as others have said, this is what we should be repeating over and over and over again in response to bad-faith blather on “presumption of innocence”:

It’s not a trial, it’s a JOB INTERVIEW. The onus is on Brett Kavanaugh to prove himself WORTHY of the position.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:48:48pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

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the wild bunch doesnt need a remake

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:49:51pm

re: #128 dangerman

I won’t give Mel one dime.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:50:52pm

re: #127 Interesting Times

I’ve talked about “framing” before. So, as others have said, this is what we should be repeating over and over and over again in response to bad-faith blather on “presumption of innocence”:

It’s not a trial, it’s a JOB INTERVIEW. The onus is on Brett Kavanaugh to prove himself WORTHY of the position.

And he hasn’t. All he has are people with a partisan agenda kissing his ass and treating him as this great guy when he’s a predatory drunk that can’t keep Little Kavanaugh in his pants.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:51:01pm

re: #110 Sir John Barron

EXCLUSIVE!

another media phrase that has lost all meaning - along with breaking and scoop

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:53:14pm

I love how Ford is partisably motivated but the people singing his praises somehow aren’t.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:53:54pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

If I remember reading right, they met as Bush operatives, but FNC will definitely try to play Mrs.Kavanaugh as an apolitical housewife.

Just two non-partisan patriots facing all this political politics and stuff, how awful.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:55:04pm

re: #127 Interesting Times

I’ve talked about “framing” before. So, as others have said, this is what we should be repeating over and over and over again in response to bad-faith blather on “presumption of innocence”:

It’s not a trial, it’s a JOB INTERVIEW. The onus is on Brett Kavanaugh to prove himself WORTHY of the position.

and a credible accusation is disqualifying

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:55:56pm

re: #129 plansbandc

I won’t give Mel one dime.

fair enough, i dont care who was doing it

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 1:58:23pm

In the all politics is local file: the Army Corps of Engineers and the City of Long Beach have released potential plans regarding the Long Beach breakwater.

Six possible plans, only two call for removal of parts of the breakwater. I like the one that takes out about a third of the breakwater, personally. There was much consternation last year when they floated the idea that none of the breakwater may end up being removed.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:01:57pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

I love how Ford is partisably motivated but the people singing his praises somehow aren’t.

FBI agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page are rabid partisans but the Republican-elected president and Republican members of Congress are totally objective, trustworthy non-partisans.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:02:56pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

So Martha where were you during “Lock her up”? Oh wait, innocent until proven guilty only matters for conservative judges your network wants to falsely portray as upstanding citizens when they’re really just pathetic sexists like your late boss Roger Ailes who treat women like shit because of their deeply rooted assholism.

“So, Mr. and Mrs Kavanaugh, can you tell us how great our MAGA president is?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:03:09pm

ummmm

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:03:36pm

re: #137 Sir John Barron

FBI agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page are rabid partisans but the Republican-elected president and Republican members of Congress are totally objective, trustworthy non-partisans.

Bob Mueller, Republican is biased against the man paranoid about Jim Mattis being a secret Democrat.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:04:25pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alex Jones: Trump needs to surround the White House with armed Trump loyalists to ward off deep state coup

A.K.A. Clusterfck-in-depth.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:04:34pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm

AJ should read these new books by DJT loyalists begging everyone to stop being outraged.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:04:44pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm

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Just his career, you deluded fuck who yearns for authoritarian rule.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:06:07pm
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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:08:01pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sure the Secret Service and the US Marines who serve as White House sentries would love to see a bunch of armed wingnuts show up to protect the president.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:08:13pm

re: #144 jaunte

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I guess he wanted us to know he’s like Trump besides being a brat with a sense of entitlement who treats women like shit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:12:10pm

He’s going to be even more whiny than Clarence Thomas is if he gets confirmed. There’s no way he was capable of impartiality before and now there definitely isn’t since he’s convinced he’s a victim of a conspiracy. Maybe your shitty behavior finally caught up to you since you didn’t have experienced Republican hacks protecting you.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:15:05pm

And there he goes again

It’s BRAND NEW, guys—he just said so!!

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:15:39pm

re: #105 Alephnaught

Seriously, I’m a husband of 17+ years. Does this body language suggest “husband and wife”?

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She’s likely the perfect wife for those who summer in the Hamptons and keep aspirin between their knees - not like those other sluts.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:16:06pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

He’s going to be even more whiny than Clarence Thomas is if he gets confirmed. There’s no way he was capable of impartiality before and now there definitely isn’t since he’s convinced he’s a victim of a conspiracy. Maybe your shitty behavior finally caught up to you since you didn’t have experienced Republican hacks protecting you.

Experienced Republican hacks wouldn’t have nominated him to begin with. They would have been content to keep him on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.

Hell, a truely experienced Republican hack would have appointed someone who wasn’t so adamant about overturning Roe, so that when they ended up casting a vote to uphold it, they could run on overturning it for another generation - or at least until support for overturning it died off to a significant degree.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:16:14pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Just saw one pro-Kavanaugh while watching MSNBC. Don’t know if that was just for Ohio or not. I have probably seen 4 or so ads that are pro-Kavanaugh over the last few weeks.

And speaking of ads…local stations here in Columbus have been really heavy on Ohio Governor campaign ads. Saturday morning, one commercial break on the morning news had six campaign ads. It started with a Richard Cordray ad, then a Mike Dewine…and then alternated. And they were all different ads. It’s been nuts.

Judicial Crisis Network.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:17:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:19:49pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:19:57pm

When it’s a Democrat accused of sexual harassment/adultery/etc, we get “If she won’t leave him, then she’s aiding and abetting!”

When it’s a Republican, instead we get “This brave woman is standing by her husband through these false allegations!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:20:56pm

re: #148 BeachDem

And there he goes again

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It’s BRAND NEW, guys—he just said so!!

Kind of like Moe using Richard Nixon’s Enemies List as his own.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:21:48pm

re: #150 KGxvi

Experienced Republican hacks wouldn’t have nominated him to begin with. They would have been content to keep him on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.

Hell, a truely experienced Republican hack would have appointed someone who wasn’t so adamant about overturning Roe, so that when they ended up casting a vote to uphold it, they could run on overturning it for another generation - or at least until support for overturning it died off to a significant degree.

True but I meant protecting his shady past.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:22:42pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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More awesome character witnesses.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:22:52pm

Disgusting people.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:22:56pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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An attack of conscience. Interesting.

Maybe they know something else is coming and want to get out of the way.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:23:52pm

re: #158 plansbandc

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Disgusting people.

News flash women can sexually assault men too. This is fucking sick. These allegations just didn’t come out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:24:32pm

Huh.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:24:38pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

True but I meant protecting his shady past.

Right, and I meant the same thing. None of this came up during the Bush Administration when he was up for a Court of Appeals job. But the difference between that appointment and this one is the difference between… I’m not even sure what.

Any decent Republican strategist/operative would have been able to find out about this stuff a head of time and advise to go with someone else. Hell, the GOP staffers on the Hill apparently knew before the news broke, so they’re not all morons.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:25:12pm

re: #162 KGxvi

Right, and I meant the same thing. None of this came up during the Bush Administration when he was up for a Court of Appeals job. But the difference between that appointment and this one is the difference between… I’m not even sure what.

Any decent Republican strategist/operative would have been able to find out about this stuff a head of time and advise to go with someone else. Hell, the GOP staffers on the Hill apparently knew before the news broke, so they’re not all morons.

Ohhhhh okay.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:25:12pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Deja vu all over the place.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:25:53pm

re: #158 plansbandc

Fuck that noise.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:26:29pm

re: #162 KGxvi

Right, and I meant the same thing. None of this came up during the Bush Administration when he was up for a Court of Appeals job. But the difference between that appointment and this one is the difference between… I’m not even sure what.

Any decent Republican strategist/operative would have been able to find out about this stuff a head of time and advise to go with someone else. Hell, the GOP staffers on the Hill apparently knew before the news broke, so they’re not all morons.

The difference is 12 years. As I tried to imply last thread, I’m sorry what you got away with before you can’t get away with now, but it’s all for the betterment of the country.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:27:46pm

re: #9 Single-handed sailor

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So we have an administration which is creating and disseminating fake news and then using it for propaganda purposes. Wow. Feels like we’re slipping towards authoritarianism.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:28:36pm
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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:29:00pm

re: #158 plansbandc

An accusation, a contemporaneous discussion with friends, other witnesses, all of these things are evidence.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:29:35pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:29:50pm
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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:31:48pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And isn’t Louisa Garry in one of the pro-Kavanaugh tv spots? He won’t be happy about this one.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:32:25pm

I’m willing to split the difference between Kavanaugh’s reported behavior and the statements by his friends to say that he’s not a pervy douchebag when he’s sober, which would explain why they think he’s a great guy now. I’ll even go further and say that the common factor both times is Mark Judge, which could be explained by his being one of those fuckheads who eggs their drunk friends on into doing stupid things that they would never consider while sober.

Not excusing the behavior, just trying to rationalize it based upon what we’ve heard so far.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:32:50pm

48 hours? So…Wednesday.

Like I thought. Timed for maximum impact.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:33:46pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:34:03pm

So is Michael Schmidt the Trump version of Judith Miller? Someone willing to spread lies to help the GOP administration in power? And the New York Times has continued to be complicit in working against Democrats and upholding GOP values by repeating stories that they haven’t confirmed.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:34:11pm

re: #174 makeitstop

48 hours? So…Wednesday.

Like I thought. Timed for maximum impact.

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Good. Not enough time for him and the Mrs. to get coddled on FNC.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:34:20pm

Since we’re on the subject of skeeviness, this story is rather interesting:

“You are entitled to your opinion or position,” the edict said. “But you cannot remain a member in good standing while attacking the Church and its leaders and trying to get others to follow you.”

As a 65-year-old grandfather, Young has spent his life following Mormon cultural prescription. Born in rural Utah, he served as a church missionary in Guatemala and El Salvador, married in a church temple, and raised six Mormon daughters.

Yet recently, after discovering his daughters’ experiences with bishops as Mormon youth, he has become an unlikely activist in the #MeToo era.

Young is protesting what he feels is a “physically, emotionally, and spiritually” abusive practice within the church: “worthiness interviews,” in which members are asked a series of questions about their adherence to church rules, specifically its sexual code of conduct, alone in their bishop’s office.

I mean, I’m not entirely shocked to learn that this kind of stuff happens in the Mormon Church, but at the same time… just, ew.

While all bishops are required to ask whether members “obey the law of chastity,” abstaining from all premarital sexual activity, Young says more than 3,000 people, including four of his daughters, have said their bishops probed for the explicit details of their sexual conduct as children.

It’s always about sex, and usually in a prurient way.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:37:47pm

re: #175 jaunte

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The doctors note was from six years ago. What did Merrick Garland do other than get nominated by that black guy you hate and worse got nominated following the death of Scalia? Go get drunk and cry with Kavanaugh together about how unfair it is.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:37:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:45:24pm
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Jay C  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:45:38pm

re: #162 KGxvi

Right, and I meant the same thing. None of this came up during the Bush Administration when he was up for a Court of Appeals job. But the difference between that appointment and this one is the difference between… I’m not even sure what.

Any decent Republican strategist/operative would have been able to find out about this stuff a head of time and advise to go with someone else. Hell, the GOP staffers on the Hill apparently knew before the news broke, so they’re not all morons.

As far as we know (which isn’t much, considering the lengths the SJC Republicans have gone to keep anything but the most favorable documentation about Brett Kavanaugh well under wraps), they probably DID “find out about this stuff” - but figured they’d just bull ahead and push Judge Brett through before anyone else found out - after which, they could dismiss it all as “political sour grapes” or whatever.
They obviously didn’t reckon that the Committee Democrats might be just as hardball players: too much soy, or whatevs…..

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:47:45pm

re: #182 Jay C

As far as we know (which isn’t much, considering the lengths the SJC Republicans have gone to keep anything but the most favorable documentation about Brett Kavanaugh well under wraps), they probably DID “find out about this stuff” - but figured they’d just bull ahead and push Judge Brett through before anyone else found out - after which, they could dismiss it all as “political sour grapes” or whatever.
They obviously didn’t reckon that the Committee Democrats might be just as hardball players: too much soy, or whatevs…..

That’s been my working theory for a week now, that they learned of allegations and/or feared they existed and took steps to counter them. Which is why they’re so angry with Feinstein, that she “sat on” these allegations rather than coming forward sooner and through “proper channels,” which would have allowed them to bury them in the hearings rather than giving them proper attention.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:48:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:50:27pm

re: #184 jaunte

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Tell that to the teenage girl you forced to carry a pregnancy or the women you wanted every last sexual detail out of, you skeezy sob.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:51:43pm

The argument of the moment is that a virgin can’t be a sexual abuser or attempted rapist.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:52:08pm
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Jay C  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:53:21pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

That’s been my working theory for a week now, that they learned of allegations and/or feared they existed and took steps to counter them. Which is why they’re so angry with Feinstein, that she “sat on” these allegations rather than coming forward sooner and through “proper channels,” which would have allowed them to bury them in the hearings rather than giving them proper attention.

Agree: except I think their anger with Diane Feinstein is more simply that they were (very well) played by a San Francisco Liberal Woman Democrat - who’s been in the Senate long enough to learn the game - to a tee- and wrongfoot the GOP Old Boys Club when it counted.
They HATE that shit….

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CongoJack  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:54:09pm

re: #187 gocart mozart

At work… see the post.. I says to myself… lets put in my ear buds… I’ve got a few seconds to kill…

worth it!

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:55:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:57:22pm

re: #190 gocart mozart

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Very sad. Condolences to her family and friends.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:57:56pm

re: #190 gocart mozart

Don’t know anything about her, but damn that just sucks.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:58:46pm

re: #190 gocart mozart

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Damn, that’s sad to hear. Condolences to the family.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 2:59:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:01:31pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I don’t believe that for a fucking second.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:01:38pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:01:48pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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I’m sure that’s what he’s been telling his wife for years. “No, honey, you were the first and only one. I was a virgin until we got married.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:03:52pm
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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:04:35pm
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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:04:56pm

re: #175 jaunte

In order for this to be a smear, “the far left” would’ve had to fabricate Christine Blasey Ford’s therapist’s notes from 2012 and blackmail Mark Judge into not denying her account. Mitch McConnell knows this isn’t true. He doesn’t care.

forget the time travel machinations,
it’s not a smear if it happened

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:05:39pm
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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:06:19pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

v

did you give it back
or pass it on?

asking for a fren’

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:08:04pm

Jock who drank and partied a lot being a virgin? Yeah I don’t buy it.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:09:29pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:09:40pm

Is “virgin” supposed to mean “possessing no sex drive whatsoever”? Because that’s just a whole new level of bullshit if he truly believes that’s what it means.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:10:25pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

“Not only was I a blackout drunk, I was in great physical shape AND sexually frustrated.”

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:10:28pm
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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:10:58pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Jock who drank and partied a lot being a virgin? Yeah I don’t buy it.

Not for a second. No way, no how.

One thing that happened during Bill Clinton’s presidency was that a lot of teens didn’t think oral or anal was considered sex. But that was way past this guy’s school years.

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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:11:14pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Is “virgin” supposed to mean “possessing no sex drive whatsoever”? Because that’s just a whole new level of bullshit if he truly believes that’s what it means.

it could be that or (sigh) the clinton defense
anything that might have happened wasnt ‘sex’

regardless that it has no bearing to actual assault and kidnapping

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:11:16pm

Twitter: somebody jumps ugly at me with insults about smoking weed and being nuts, then gets huffy when I suggest he may not be informed about the issue he’s laughing off, and even give him a link to back up what I fucking said.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:12:08pm

re: #208 MsJ

Not for a second. No way, no how.

One thing that happened during Bill Clinton’s presidency was that a lot of teens didn’t think oral or anal was considered sex. But that was way past this guy’s school years.

Right. He’s a Reagan era guy. Bullshit.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:13:42pm

re: #209 dangerman

it could be that or (sigh) the clinton defense
anything that might have happened wasnt ‘sex’

regardless that it has no bearing to actual assault and kidnapping

They’ve been leaning heavily on the “No penetration means no rape” bit for the past week, as though the events themselves are somehow irrelevant if he didn’t get his rocks off.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:13:47pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

Twitter: somebody jumps ugly at me with insults about smoking weed and being nuts, then gets huffy when I suggest he may not be informed about the issue he’s laughing off, and even give him a link to back up what I fucking said.

That’s really all you can do, Charles. If they want to be willfully ignorant, that’s their own problem.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:18:10pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Jock who drank and partied a lot being a virgin? Yeah I don’t buy it.

^^^^

THIS. Or are we going back to the Bill Clinton days and all the screwy definitions of “sexual relations”?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:18:35pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

^^^^

THIS. Or are we going back to the Bill Clinton days and all the screwy definitions of “sexual relations”?

“It all depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:18:55pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

^^^^

THIS. Or are we going back to the Bill Clinton days and all the screwy definitions of “sexual relations”?

I can’t wait for FNC to try to blame Clinton for his actions.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:19:25pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Michael Avenatti should be running for president, but I don’t understand why people are being so skeptical of his claim to be representing a third Kavanaugh accuser. He’s delivered on some pretty big promises so far. Did he screw something up and I missed it? Because I think his claim of a third accuser is probably true.

That is a big problem I have with Brendan Nyhan on twitter. He continually dismiss Seth Abramson and Michael Avenatti as “fraudulent hucksters” based on something he simply does not specify.

I like a lot of his work…but academia still has a bit of a hubris problem.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:19:33pm

re: #208 MsJ

Not for a second. No way, no how.

One thing that happened during Bill Clinton’s presidency was that a lot of teens didn’t think oral or anal was considered sex. But that was way past this guy’s school years.

Didn’t Gingrich try that dodge at some point?

Oh, yeah. He did.

One of these women was Anne Manning, who admitted to a sexual relationship with Newt during his 1976 campaign. She confessed, “We had oral sex. He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, ‘I never slept with her.’”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:19:38pm

re: #215 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“It all depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is.”

Is Brett Kavanaugh a sick asshole who I wouldn’t want near any woman or booze? Yes he is.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:20:37pm

re: #190 gocart mozart

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And of the many ugly comments in that thread, “Christ Is our Only Answer” has the most repulsive one:

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:21:45pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Jock who drank and partied a lot being a virgin? Yeah I don’t buy it.

Maybe he drank and partied a bit too much, leading to the ladies not being interested. Of course, that combination is probably more likely to lead to sexual assault than the opposite, out of frustration or a need to show the other guys that you’re sexually active.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:22:44pm

re: #220 BeachDem

And of the many ugly comments in that thread, “Christ Is our Only Answer” has the most repulsive one:

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Christ doesn’t see parties, he does see assholes who hide behind his name.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:22:59pm

re: #220 BeachDem

And of the many ugly comments in that thread, “Christ Is our Only Answer” has the most repulsive one:

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shiny new twitter account, that one is

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:23:22pm

re: #221 KGxvi

Maybe he drank and partied a bit too much, leading to the ladies not being interested. Of course, that combination is probably more likely to lead to sexual assault than the opposite, out of frustration or a need to show the other guys that you’re sexually active.

Right. He really should just withdraw all ready.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:24:06pm

re: #221 KGxvi

Maybe he drank and partied a bit too much, leading to the ladies not being interested. Of course, that combination is probably more likely to lead to sexual assault than the opposite, out of frustration or a need to show the other guys that you’re sexually active.

My guess is that he was conflicted: told he’d go to hell for consummating outside of marriage but when drunk unable to stop his urges—thus the pawing at CBF and thinking shoving his dick in a woman’s face wasn’t sexual assault. Religion can do weird things that way. I’m sure he’s told himself over and over again that it wasn’t really wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:25:08pm

re: #225 Barefoot Grin

My guess is that he was conflicted: told he’d go to hell for consummating outside of marriage but when drunk unable to stop his urges—thus the pawing at CBF and thinking shoving his dick in a woman’s face wasn’t sexual assault. Religion can do weird things that way. I’m sure he’s told himself over and over again that it wasn’t really wrong.

Which is why he needs a program not making decisions that impact millions of his countrymen & women.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:26:27pm

Orrin Hatch just loves bad boys.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:27:28pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

Orrin Hatch just loves bad boys.

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It’s going to come out after Orrin dies that he did some sordid shit in his day.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:28:17pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

It’s going to come out after Orrin dies that he did some sordid shit in his day.

Probably something tied into that post of mine above about Mormon Bishops questioning teens on their sex lives

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:29:15pm

re: #229 KGxvi

Probably something tied into that post of mine above about Mormon Bishops questioning teens on their sex lives

Missed that I think.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:29:30pm
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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:29:55pm

re: #221 KGxvi

Maybe he drank and partied a bit too much, leading to the ladies not being interested. Of course, that combination is probably more likely to lead to sexual assault than the opposite, out of frustration or a need to show the other guys that you’re sexually active.

Why is it that this whole adventure is like a throwback “Veronica Mars” story arc? High school assholes who then become college assholes, secret societies of movers and shakers and a whole lot more (including Veronica saying she’d take pepper spray to NY in case she ran into that Trump guy.) Throw in a little “Gilmore Girls—the Yale Years” and you have the whole story.

Who could have predicted?

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:30:21pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

Orrin Hatch just loves bad boys.

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Orrin back in November:

So remember folks, wife-beating and sexual assault are okay, tasteless photos are grounds for investigation and resignation.//////

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:30:37pm

re: #220 BeachDem

Wow. How Christian.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:30:48pm

re: #231 goddamnedfrank

Like Kelly, thinks “Women’s Dignity” means something involving pedestals and not having full autonomy.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:30:53pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

shiny new twitter account, that one is

And off to a roaring start.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:31:11pm

re: #218 makeitstop

Didn’t Gingrich try that dodge at some point?

Oh, yeah. He did.

Yeah but Kavanaugh had to go way up in Monica’s vajayjay during BJgate. And Kav was all about the details of her vag.

That was the first indicator, public at least, about what a fucking pig the guy is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:31:37pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

Orrin back in November:

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So remember folks, wife-beating and sexual assault are okay, tasteless photos are grounds for investigation and resignation.//////

Okay. Orrin loves bad REPUBLICAN boys.

Shoulda specified.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:31:49pm

Erick son of Erick has decided that those slutty wimminz is liars is the hill he will die on.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:32:15pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

Orrin back in November:

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So remember folks, wife-beating and sexual assault are okay, tasteless photos are grounds for investigation and resignation.//////

He’s a typical moralizing asshole hypocrite. I know Gillibrand’s actions rubbed people the wrong way but she is someone who had been harassed by a colleague and I think really sincerely does want the old boys club shit to end.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:32:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:34:04pm

re: #239 Scottish Dragon

Erick son of Erick has decided that those slutty wimminz is liars is the hill he will die on.

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Waaaah. No one accused Neil Gorsuch, Sam Alito, or John Roberts of being skeezy pervs but go ahead and make him the victim for his ideology which tbh relates to how both you treat women.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:34:32pm
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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:36:15pm
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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:36:20pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Seere: #178 KGxvi

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:36:53pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:38:30pm

So Brett was a teen who never drank to excess, kept meticulous records of every social engagement he attended, and remained a virgin until marriage.

But he was also popular with the ladies, ran with a hard-drinking crowd that tried to fuck anything that moved, and worked as a clerk for a judge who left office to stay ahead of criminal indictments for sexual harassment.

Amazing how that works…/////

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:38:46pm

re: #244 jaunte

Am I wrong in hoping he gets flooded with information about her being a generally good person and upright citizen?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:39:20pm

re: #245 KGxvi

See

Thanks.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:39:47pm

re: #248 KGxvi

His definition of “relevant” may be at odds with reality.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:40:09pm

re: #248 KGxvi

Am I wrong in hoping he gets flooded with information about her being a generally good person and upright citizen?

That would be too perfect.

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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:43:21pm

re: #232 BeachDem

Why is it that this whole adventure is like a throwback “Veronica Mars” story arc? High school assholes who then become college assholes, secret societies of movers and shakers and a whole lot more (including Veronica saying she’d take pepper spray to NY in case she ran into that Trump guy.) Throw in a little “Gilmore Girls—the Yale Years” and you have the whole story.

Who could have predicted?

OT but not entirely OT — THERE’S NEW SEASON OF VERONICA MARS NEXT YEAR!! on Hulu. 8 episodes.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:45:09pm

re: #244 jaunte

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:46:04pm

re: #252 sagehen

OT but not entirely OT — THERE’S NEW SEASON OF VERONICA MARS NEXT YEAR!! on Hulu. 8 episodes.

I can’t wait!

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:46:12pm

re: #209 dangerman

it could be that or (sigh) the clinton defense
anything that might have happened wasnt ‘sex’

regardless that it has no bearing to actual assault and kidnapping

And you’re right, we all need to keep using the word kidnapping. Barricading and holding someone against their will.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:46:13pm

re: #252 sagehen

NICE!!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:46:44pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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So…an incel then.

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:48:20pm

re: #220 BeachDem

And of the many ugly comments in that thread, “Christ Is our Only Answer” has the most repulsive one:

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Who is also named Sergei.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:49:28pm

re: #220 BeachDem

And of the many ugly comments in that thread, “Christ Is our Only Answer” has the most repulsive one:

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Comrade many numbers

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:50:03pm

They don’t seem to be as sure as they were last week, do they?

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:50:20pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

It’s going to come out after Orrin dies that he did some sordid shit in his day.

“I always wondered about Orrin’s collection of tiny shoes…”

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:51:19pm

re: #252 sagehen

OT but not entirely OT — THERE’S NEW SEASON OF VERONICA MARS NEXT YEAR!! on Hulu. 8 episodes.

I saw that and am so excited. (Don’t have Hulu now but will.) I am an original Marshmallow—watched from the very beginning and have seen every episode at least 3 times. (So what if their target audience was teenagers and I was in my 60s when it originally aired. Bust the demo!!)

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:51:47pm

re: #260 makeitstop

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They don’t seem to be as sure as they were last week, do they?

“We’re taking this all very seriously…which is why we’re going to be voting to put him on the SCOTUS bench less than 24 hours later.”

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:52:25pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

That Daily Beast article is terrifying. We have a rightwing, religio-political authoritarian government in the shadows waiting to take over and the GOP is all in.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:52:44pm

re: #244 jaunte

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He’s always offering big rewards for info on his conspiracy theories—when he’s not being shot or attacked while carrying his dog, Jack, Jr. What a whackjob.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:53:10pm

LOLOLOLOL

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:53:22pm

re: #262 BeachDem

Dude and I got into it first season. We are olds too. :D

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:54:06pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL

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45% is nothing to brag about and yes I know the Dems have 44%.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:54:34pm

So this is interesting… apparently Trump removed the Solicitor General from the DOJ line of succession. Under this executive order, the next person after Rosenstein would be the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Assuming it would be the SG, there’s a question of whether he could oversee the investigation because he worked at Jones Day before becoming SG and Jones Day represented in the Trump campaign.

The current US Attorney for ED of VA is G Zachary Terwilliger, who was recommended by Kaine and Warner and confirmed via voice vote. He’s got experience in prosecuting organized crime cases.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:55:37pm

re: #269 KGxvi

So this is interesting… apparently Trump removed the Solicitor General from the DOJ line of succession. Under this executive order, the next person after Rosenstein would be the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Assuming it would be the SG, there’s a question of whether he could oversee the investigation because he worked at Jones Day before becoming SG and Jones Day represented in the Trump campaign.

The current US Attorney for ED of VA is G Zachary Terwilliger, who was recommended by Kaine and Warner and confirmed via voice vote. He’s got experience in prosecuting organized crime cases.

Don’t know him. Interesting

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:56:14pm

re: #254 MsJ

I can’t wait!

I was a groomsman in a wedding party that included Rob Thomas.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:57:56pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

So Brett was a teen who never drank to excess, kept meticulous records of every social engagement he attended, and remained a virgin until marriage.

But he was also popular with the ladies, ran with a hard-drinking crowd that tried to fuck anything that moved, and worked as a clerk for a judge who left office to stay ahead of criminal indictments for sexual harassment.

Amazing how that works…/////

He was a keel on those wayward ships…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:59:02pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:59:26pm
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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 3:59:30pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Don’t know him. Interesting

I’m not actually sure the SG has been removed. It looks like the AG can pick someone to be #4 in line, but if he doesn’t then it goes to EDVA. Plus there’s the potential conflict issue.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:02:22pm

re: #262 BeachDem

I saw that and am so excited. (Don’t have Hulu now but will.) I am an original Marshmallow—watched from the very beginning and have seen every episode at least 3 times. (So what if their target audience was teenagers and I was in my 60s when it originally aired. Bust the demo!!)

It’s too. Late 50s (me) and 60s (hubs). Both of us really enjoyed VM and we’re both looking forward to the reboot.

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mmmirele  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:03:26pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

Re Orrin Hatch and I really really really want to make clear I’m not going after Mormons here. I’m just saying that there might be reasons—bad reasons—but still reasons why Orrin Hatch is being such an asshat.

He is a member of the church formerly known as Mormon, which excommunicated a man, Sam Young, two weeks ago for trying to stop sexually explicit interviews of youth.

While all bishops are required to ask whether members “obey the law of chastity,” abstaining from all premarital sexual activity, Young says more than 3,000 people, including four of his daughters, have said their bishops probed for the explicit details of their sexual conduct as children.

The church now offers the opportunity for youth to be interviewed with an accompanying adult. But it has yet to condemn the practice of asking sexually explicit questions in interviews. Nor has it acknowledged the alleged trauma and, in some instances, predation that has resulted from them.

cnn.com

Orrin Hatch was a bishop once, and he might have asked teenage girls explicit questions (like “do you masturbate?” and worse) during those youth interviews. It is entirely possible that he views Dr. Blasey and Ms. Ramirez as unrepentant women trying to bring down a “good man.” But this is what Hatch comes out of, and, frankly, someone might ought to remind him that this is not a youth recommend interview and he doesn’t have carte blanche to pry before we get to Thursday.

Again, I am not trashing the people of the Mormon Church. I am just pointing out where Hatch comes from.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:04:05pm

re: #271 austin_blue

I was a groomsman in a wedding party that included Rob Thomas.

I live his iZombie, too. Just started watching it and can’t wait for the next (and final) season.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:05:33pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Often have I lamented these polls.

They just don’t mean what pundits want them to mean.

And most lay people do not appreciate the statistics of sampling.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:07:04pm

It’s all a sort of pseudoscience upon which I cast aspersions.

Next thing you know Gallup will be polling people about little fairies in the woods.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:07:22pm

Gallup needs to do a flat-earth poll.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:10:50pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

It’s going to come out after Orrin dies that he did some sordid shit in his day.

It may come out early next year. This is Orrin’s last ride. He is retiring at the end of this term/year.

I for one will be glad to see his humorless, crotchety old fart ass gone. He is past his use-by date.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:12:14pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republicans have separated hundreds of children from their parents, given a tax cut to their rich donors, placed tariffs on our allies, and given cover to a bigoted ignoramus.

What’s not to love?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:14:27pm

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:19:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:24:59pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

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Oh wow. I think even his buddy Judge will call bs on that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:25:46pm
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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:28:39pm

re: #264 Patricia Kayden

That Daily Beast article is terrifying. We have a rightwing, religio-political authoritarian government in the shadows waiting to take over and the GOP is all in.

“Leonard Leo was a visionary,” said Tom Carter, who served as Leo’s media relations director when he was chairman of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), in an exclusive interview with The Daily Beast. “He figured out twenty years ago that conservatives had lost the culture war. Abortion, gay rights, contraception—conservatives didn’t have a chance if public opinion prevailed. So they needed to stack the courts.”

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:29:02pm

re: #279 freetoken

More than anything, it looks like Republicans “coming home.” In September 2017 Republican (and Republican leaning) approval of their party at 67%, now it’s up to 85%. There’s an election coming, so bandwagon fans getting on board for the playoffs.

More annoyingly, it’s Gallup so they only give top lines, so you can’t see what the sample looks like or how they define “leaners.”

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:30:06pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

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This whole process is just so fundamentally flawed.

Time to do a reset and start over.

Remember “serious vetting”? Remember how it was going to be the best vetting ever?

There was no vetting. Drumpf just picked the name at the top of the Federalist list and said, “Confirm him.” His team did no vetting whatsoever. It’s just been a joke and a Keystone Kops Kluster FucK from the beginning.

Lying to Congress in previous Judiciary reviews, mysterious $200,000 debts that magically disappeared, attempted rape accusations, membership in a Yale organization called “Tit and Clit”, and hidden records from the Bush Admin that probably have “Torture” written all over them.

This nom has been a disaster from Day One. Shut it down. Try again.

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KGxvi  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:31:05pm

re: #288 sagehen

“Leonard Leo was a visionary,” said Tom Carter, who served as Leo’s media relations director when he was chairman of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), in an exclusive interview with The Daily Beast. “He figured out twenty years ago that conservatives had lost the culture war. Abortion, gay rights, contraception—conservatives didn’t have a chance if public opinion prevailed. So they needed to stack the courts.”

Social conservatives always end up losing the culture war. That’s why we aren’t all speaking Latin or Greek and watching gladiators in the arena.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:32:21pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I thought Rightwingers were all about free speech except when it comes to Blacks and other people of color, of course.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:32:59pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:33:19pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:36:14pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:37:28pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t believe that for a fucking second.

I do. Who would fuck that guy, lol?

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:38:06pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:39:10pm

re: #297 MsJ

Tomi needs to be put in her place. She’s not in Mrs. Obama’s league.

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Varek Raith  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:39:35pm

re: #295 goddamnedfrank

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FFS, they’re still pushing this shit?
e_e

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Teddy's Person  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:40:50pm

re: #298 Patricia Kayden

Tomi needs to be put in her place. She’s not in Mrs. Obama’s league.

Forever FLOTUS is in a league of her own!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:42:09pm

re: #296 Ace Rothstein

I do. Who would fuck that guy, lol?

I dunno. A lot of us have been saying “Fuck that guy!” all week.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:44:19pm

re: #296 Ace Rothstein

I do. Who would fuck that guy, lol?

Voluntarily? This is the ‘be specific’ era.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:45:05pm

re: #298 Patricia Kayden

Tomi needs to be put in her place. She’s not in Mrs. Obama’s league.

Which is why Michelle should completely ignore her.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:47:29pm

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

I dunno. A lot of us have been saying “Fuck that guy!” all week.

I’ve been saying it since the fat orange bastard nominated him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:47:30pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:47:36pm

Yeah. One should always be careful of characterizing what others may think of you.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:48:57pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

This Thursday hearing will never happen. Kavadouche will either withdraw or his nomination will be yanked by Wednesday afternoon.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:49:18pm

re: #296 Ace Rothstein

Donald has how many kids?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:49:42pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. One should always be careful of characterizing what others may think of you.

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LOL that he believes that his behavior was *not* the talk of the campus…

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:50:25pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. One should always be careful of characterizing what others may think of you.

[ “If such a thing had happened, it would have been the talk of the campus”]

It was. You may have been ‘absent’ that day. Stayed home with a big headache.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:50:53pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL that he believes that his behavior was *not* the talk of the campus…

And two, parties generally weren’t known by everyone.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:51:19pm
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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:52:07pm

re: #289 KGxvi

The problem is that self declared “Republicans” are shrinking, as a share of the electorate.

Yet pollsters like Gallup will try to find a so-called representative sample based on old demographic data.

IOW, Gallup is looking for a poll-pool that is around 40-45% “Republican”, but that is likely significantly oversampling today’s Republican party wrt the rest of the electorate.

As I tried to show with the San Diego registration figures, the Republican party is now heading to at most a third of the electorate.

You’re probably right about the remaining Republicans become more servile to the orthodoxy of the leaders, and more willing to approve of their leaders.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:52:53pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:53:01pm

re: #295 goddamnedfrank

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Schmidt thinks he is performing some kind of important reporting hot off the White House desks.

What he really is doing is acting as a direct tool for the White House to manipulate the news.

I don’t understand the Times, I admit it.

Yes, they do some good work.

And other times they just get used.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:54:13pm

re: #308 Belafon

Donald has how many kids?

By how many different women?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:54:56pm

re: #307 Ace Rothstein

This Thursday hearing will never happen. Kavadouche will either withdraw or his nomination will be yanked by Wednesday afternoon.

Man, do I hope you’re right!!

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b.d.(i like beer)  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:56:36pm

re: #308 Belafon

Donald has how many kids?

re: #316 MsJ

By how many different women?

I don’t think we know the answer to that…

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:57:07pm

re: #316 MsJ

By how many different women?

I had an uncle who was married 4 times, and we never understood why the last two chose him.

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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:57:37pm

re: #307 Ace Rothstein

This Thursday hearing will never happen. Kavadouche will either withdraw or his nomination will be yanked by Wednesday afternoon.

Thereby depriving me of seeing Kamala question him again.

That was going to be the one saving grace of letting the shitshow nominee have his hearing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:57:48pm

re: #20 gocart mozart

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Garrison is too stupid to realize that Woods and Jack are both libertarian conservatives.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:57:53pm

re: #319 Belafon

I have an uncle who has been married six times. My dad used to joke that he’d marry any woman who smiled at him. Cool guy though.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 4:58:44pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL that he believes that his behavior was *not* the talk of the campus…

Why would anyone tell him if he was? He probably was already well known for being a dirtbag drunk molester.

It was expected, no longer a talking subject…more like “eww, get away.”

More is going to come out. He is asking for people to come forward.

Throw open those closet doors!

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:00:17pm

San Diego county statistics:
In April 2000, Republicans accounted for 41.5% of those registered to vote.

Currently their share is 28.5% .

That is a significant drop

And San Diego used to be considered a Republican county - they were the largest party by far. Pete Wilson etc.

So when pollsters through up all those approval numbers, ask yourself if the pollsters truly are sampling America.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:01:24pm

re: #319 Belafon

I had an uncle who was married 4 times, and we never understood why the last two chose him.

Overactive empathy gland?

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:01:59pm

re: #324 freetoken

San Diego county statistics:
In April 2000, Republicans accounted for 41.5% of those registered to vote.

Currently their share is 28.5% .

That is a significant drop

And San Diego used to be considered a Republican county - they were the largest party by far. Pete Wilson etc.

So when pollsters through up all those approval numbers, ask yourself if the pollsters truly are sampling America.

Can’t have a horse race of we do that, now can we?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:02:16pm

re: #315 ObserverArt

Schmidt thinks he is performing some kind of important reporting hot off the White House desks.

What he really is doing is acting as a direct tool for the White House to manipulate the news.

I don’t understand the Times, I admit it.

Yes, they do some good work.

And other times they just get used.

Yeah, it’s like I said - they need to report this more clearly as “People are telling us this”, rather than “This is what’s happening”.

BUT, there are points to consider. The time when RR was supposedly talking about the 25th Amendment, he’d JUST fired Comey and bragged about it to the Russian Ambassador and Foreign Minister in the Oval Office, saying it would take pressure off him. It was a crazy time, and even people disinclined to think of Trump as the Russian asset he clearly is were shocked by it.

Second, we all assume that Rosenstein wants Trump gone, but we have no way of knowing that. He may believe that a full investigation by Mueller is the only way to clear Trump’s name. Or not. Remember, he’s a Republican.

Third, that hit last Friday from whoever leaked to the NYT was pretty severe, for someone who ‘serves at the pleasure of the President’.

Fourth, SOMEBODY is saying this shit. It’s POSSIBLE it’s a concerted effort by the WH, but what evidence is there that those losers are even CAPABLE of any kind of concerted effort? It could be ONE PERSON who thinks getting rid of Rosenstein will make it possible for Trump to survive, no matter what anyone else thinks. The place is like Game of Thrones, but without dragons or titties - just the intrigue and backstabbery.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:02:31pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, Ronan’s not having any of that shit either:

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:02:38pm
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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:02:45pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. One should always be careful of characterizing what others may think of you.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:03:03pm

re: #325 wrenchwench

Overactive empathy gland?

That was kind of my theory: he knew how to say what they wanted to hear.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:03:57pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL that he believes that his behavior was *not* the talk of the campus…

Huh—and I read it as an ego-douche comment, like the whole campus would give a fuck what widdle Brett was up to.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:04:19pm
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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:04:26pm

Two years ago the Republican share in SD county was 31.7%.

In other words, the Republicans have lost a full one tenth of their share of the electorate in two years.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:05:00pm

re: #333 gocart mozart

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Oh that’s a burn.

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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:05:05pm

re: #329 gocart mozart

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7 seconds!!

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:06:03pm

For the report

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:06:06pm

re: #327 Blind Frog Belly White

… It was a crazy time, and even people disinclined to think of Trump as the Russian asset he clearly is were shocked by it….

Man, those were the days…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:06:28pm

His defenses suck so much. I bet he cracks under oath & admits physical contact with Ford.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:08:05pm

You attend a university where a club known as “Tit And Clit” exists and are a member of said club, but you think waving your dick in the face of a co-ed would have been the talk of the campus if it really happened.

Careful, Brett, your ego’s in danger of exerting its own gravitational field by this point.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:09:05pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

His defenses suck so much. I bet he cracks under oath & admits physical contact with Ford.

His oath will not mean as much to him as that black robe and the big chair do.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:09:52pm

re: #340 Targetpractice

You attend a university where a club known as “Tit And Clit” exists and are a member of said club, but you think waving your dick in the face of a co-ed would have been the talk of the campus if it really happened.

Careful, Brett, your ego’s in danger of exerting its own gravitational field by this point.

Can someone please ask him about tit and clit, and no means yes and yes means anal if those are consistent with his deep respect for women and women’s equality? He’s a fucking pig as are those enabling him.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:10:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:10:42pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

His oath will not mean as much to him as that black robe and the big chair does.

Yep he’s a power hungry asshole. Shows in where and what circles he runs in.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:11:44pm

This is so fucking contrived.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:12:24pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL that he believes that his behavior was *not* the talk of the campus…

Haven’t numerous people already said it was the talk of the campus?

Attempted gaslighting alert…

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:12:47pm

Little man has a vewwy busy day tomorrow. (Why am I reminded of Palin’s pathetic visit to the UN in 2008?)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:13:03pm

I’ve observed men like young Kavanaugh before. They think women are nothing but sex objects. There’s certainly no respect let alone beliefs in equality. Kav is the kind of guy who unironically acts like a 1950’s stereotype of a sexist douche.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:13:12pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:14:06pm

re: #345 goddamnedfrank

This is so fucking contrived.

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Choirboy defense is probably a mistake, given his friend Judge’s stories and the number of people who remember him being a heavy drinker. Probably safer to stay a little closer to the truth than to make it up from whole cloth.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:14:14pm

re: #349 jaunte

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Someone was invested big time in seeing him succeed and happy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:14:58pm

re: #350 Blind Frog Belly White

Choirboy defense is probably a mistake, given his friend Judge’s stories and the number of people who remember him being a heavy drinker. Probably safer to stay a little closer to the truth than to make it up from whole cloth.

Seriously. I thought he was supposed to be smart.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:15:21pm

The more that comes out about the people he surrounded himself, the clearer it becomes why the Senate GOP are insistent upon the only people attending this hearing being Dr. Ford and Kavanaugh.

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Varek Raith  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:16:05pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Seriously. I thought he was supposed to be smart.

He’s so arrogant he likely thinks he’ll pull it off.

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mmmirele  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:16:29pm

re: #340 Targetpractice

You attend a university where a club known as “Tit And Clit” exists and are a member of said club, but you think waving your dick in the face of a co-ed would have been the talk of the campus if it really happened.

Careful, Brett, your ego’s in danger of exerting its own gravitational field by this point.

I went to a large university with a big Greek system and it took something *spectacular* to get that kind of attention. Just waving your penis in the face of a female student at a party wouldn’t do it. No, it took something like “stealing the Terminix bug to get out of all the pledge stuff,” “getting drunk, falling off Mount Bonnell and dying” or (the never in the news but everyone knew about it) “sexual assault of a freshman who was not even pledging a fraternity by several frat brothers.” (Basically, the kid was kidnapped off the sidewalk, dragged into the *** house and sexually assaulted.) This was a few years before Kavanaugh went to Yale, seriously, dude, the story of you drunkenly waving your weiner in a woman’s face wouldn’t have been around campus, especially if you were already a known party animal.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:18:22pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:19:41pm

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

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“It can’t have been me because I was a virgin until marriage, just like it couldn’t have been rape because no penetration occurred!”

FFS

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:19:54pm

I remember my freshman year at Pitt in 1973. Frat parties where everyone toked on the bong and anything could go on…except for Rick Santorum who always got his face slapped…

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:20:01pm

re: #355 mmmirele

“getting drunk, falling off Mount Bonnell and dying”

I think I remember that one.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:20:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:20:47pm

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

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Weak sauce Kavanaugh is a good nickname for him two ways.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:22:13pm

re: #360 gocart mozart

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Good grief. Yeah she’s no longer pathetic but actually trying to incite shit. Have to say I never spent this much time around after I graduated but I’m not a pathetic grifter.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:22:39pm
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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:23:08pm

I’m sure Renate thought it was all in good fun.

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Varek Raith  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:23:11pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Good grief. Yeah she’s no longer pathetic but actually trying to incite shit. Have to say I never spent this much time around after I graduated but I’m not a pathetic grifter.

Seriuosly.
You’ll never see me back at NOVA campuses or VT.
BYE FOOLS!
:P

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:23:30pm

re: #363 jaunte

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But…but…but everybody who knew him back then has nothing but good things to say about him! How can this be?!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:23:42pm

re: #360 gocart mozart

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Karma will strike that arrogant snot when she least expects it.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:23:49pm
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Scottish Dragon  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:24:10pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:24:11pm

I swear, I’m gonna wear out my “/” key at this rate. Or succumb to sarcasm poisoning.

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Varek Raith  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:24:46pm

re: #370 Targetpractice

I swear, I’m gonna wear out my “/” key at this rate. Or succumb to sarcasm poisoning.

They make a pill for that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:25:33pm

re: #363 jaunte

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Simply dancing or dating? Lmao. For someone so experienced, this guy is weak when it comes to self defense.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:26:25pm

re: #369 Scottish Dragon

They’ve done it because they serve Moloch, not the American people.

Erickson has apparently never seen a Trump rally.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:26:59pm

re: #369 Scottish Dragon

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With quotes by actual people who knew him then rather than Republican hacks and old friends who want him to succeed at all costs. Fuck off Erick. And keep your daughter away from him.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:27:30pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

His defenses suck so much. I bet he cracks under oath & admits physical contact with Ford.

We just need to go to the Georgetown Preparatory School.

Kavanaugh did say what happened there stayed there.

Someone associated with Georgetown Preparatory School knows more than they are telling.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:28:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:28:39pm

re: #369 Scottish Dragon

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Erickson’s really gone around the bend over this, hasn’t he?

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:29:06pm

re: #376 teleskiguy

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“So, can you tell us again how awesome you are for baking apple pies and kissing babies while coaching basketball games?”

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Varek Raith  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:29:07pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

Simply dancing or dating? Lmao. For someone so experienced, this guy is weak when it comes to self defense.

Kyle Hits Cartman REAL HARD!!!

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:29:48pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:30:05pm

YOWSER!

EVANSTON, Ohio (WKRC) - A car exploded and caught fire in Evanston Monday. Police believe a propane tank may be the cause.

Surveillance video caught the moment the car suddenly exploded. This happened on Woodburn Avenue near Hewitt Avenue at about 1 p.m.

A woman in the car was hurt and taken to the hospital. There’s no word on her condition and her name has not been released.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:30:30pm
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Scottish Dragon  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:31:34pm
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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:32:16pm

re: #366 Targetpractice

But…but…but everybody who knew him back then has nothing but good things to say about him! How can this be?!

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Well, he said “fair process” seventeen times in that interview (he repeats himself much as the yam does.) And after all, in high school he was “studying or focused on sports and being a good friend to the boys and the girls that I was friends with”—he tells that little tale four different times— and he said he’d never assaulted anyone five different ways, so you gotta believe him:

I had never sexually assaulted anyone, not in high school, not ever.
But what I know is I’ve never sexually assaulted anyone in high school or at any time in my life
I have never sexually assaulted anyone.
I’ve never done any such thing, known about any such thing.
I’ve never sexually assaulted anyone.

What. An. Asshole.

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Varek Raith  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:32:19pm

re: #382 Scottish Dragon

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He’s so not ready for this.
XD

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:32:58pm
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b.d.(i like beer)  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:33:29pm

Wingnuts can’t even do a FoxNews interview without stepping on their dick.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:35:36pm

re: #369 Scottish Dragon

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:35:58pm

re: #363 jaunte

Are we going to find out that Stir of Echos was a documentary?

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:36:00pm
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Varek Raith  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:37:34pm

re: #387 b.d.(true to form)

Wingnuts can’t even do a FoxNews interview without stepping on their dick.

If he makes it to Thursday, I don’t see him doing very well under Democrat questioning.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:37:45pm

Of course Fox News believes Anita Hill was lying. They don’t think sexual harassment is a problem. They see it as a perq.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:38:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:38:45pm

re: #391 Varek Raith

If he makes it to Thursday, I don’t see him doing very well under Democrat questioning.

Especially if a woman around his age like Senator Harris does it. He clearly viewed women as only sexual objects and you know damn well it’s going to set him off to be questioned by a woman around the same age as the women he treated like shit about his escapades.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:39:01pm

re: #389 Belafon

Well that gave me a chill.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:39:26pm

re: #393 jaunte

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I’m pretty sure I didn’t have 65 female friends, and I went to public school. And lord knows, I didn’t concentrate on academics, either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:39:30pm

hahahahaa

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:39:56pm

Uh oh…

news.vice.com

A possible fourth person has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, Maryland law enforcement officials told a Maryland newspaper.

An anonymous witness told Montgomery County investigators over the weekend about another incident that occurred while Kavanaugh was in high school, according to a Monday report in the Montgomery County Sentinel.

In a response to this report, The Montgomery County Police Department put out a statement that said it had not received a request from an alleged victim to start a criminal investigation — though it’s unclear if the witness from the Sentinel’s report is an alleged victim.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:40:02pm

re: #392 Blind Frog Belly White

Of course Fox News believes Anita Hill was lying. They don’t think sexual harassment is a problem. They see it as a perq.

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You can really tell a lot about someone by who their idea of a victim is. In the wingnuts’ case, it’s Blackout Brett and Coke Clarence.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:40:35pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Muppets - Maniacal Laugh

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:41:19pm

re: #396 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m pretty sure I didn’t have 65 female friends, and I went to public school. And lord knows, I didn’t concentrate on academics, either.

I mean I probably had 65 girls and 65 men who said “Oh him? Yeah he’s a pretty okay guy” but I think few would really be able ot testify about my vices. I remember how shocked people I knew more than 10 years at that time that I had tried pot and had drank.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:41:21pm

re: #398 Scottish Dragon

Uh oh…

news.vice.com

This was the point last year when the Senate DNC came together and demanded Al Franken’s immediate resignation.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:42:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:42:44pm

re: #398 Scottish Dragon

Uh oh…

news.vice.com

Okay so we have:
Ford, Ramirez, Avannti’s client, and this? God just withdraw already Kavanaugh. If not for yourself, do it for your family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:44:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:44:20pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

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Did you see his spokeswoman’s excuse? “Oh it just meant they dated her.” Yeah, fucking right. It wasn’t that innocent. He’s a sleazy bastard who got away with being one for years because he had the right friends. I really commend Dr. Ford’s bravery big time here because if she hadn’t, he’d be on the fast track to being confirmed right now.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:44:31pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

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It’s becoming clearer with each passing day and new revelation that this “letter” was slapped together before the allegations were put out under the pretense of just asking the women “Do you remember Brett Kavanaugh being a nice guy?”

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:45:38pm

re: #402 Targetpractice

This was the point last year when the Senate DNC came together and demanded Al Franken’s immediate resignation.

Yep.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:45:41pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:45:50pm

And notice that the accusations are clustering, nothing newer than his college days.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:46:04pm

re: #407 Targetpractice

It’s becoming clearer with each passing day and new revelation that this “letter” was slapped together before the allegations were put out under the pretense of just asking the women “Do you remember Brett Kavanaugh being a nice guy?”

Yeah absolutely.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:46:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:46:27pm

re: #407 Targetpractice

It’s becoming clearer with each passing day and new revelation that this “letter” was slapped together before the allegations were put out under the pretense of just asking the women “Do you remember Brett Kavanaugh being a nice guy?”

I imagine that in this case, given that Kavanaugh went to one school, and Renate went to another, she’d never have seen how the boys at Georgetown Prep referred to her.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:47:10pm

fox news:

CNN slammed as ‘highly misleading,’ ‘irresponsible’ after painting GOP activists as average voters

yeah, how dare cnn claim that gop activists are normal people!!

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:47:11pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

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Didn’t even spell alumnus correctly.

And a question from an “old”: Did they really put that kind of crap in yearbooks in the 80s?
My one high school had a few lines of commentary, but not that kind of crap—my other high school (we moved) just had name, clubs and that was about it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:47:16pm

manly tears:

shut up and make me a sammich…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:47:28pm

re: #413 Blind Frog Belly White

I imagine that in this case, given that Kavanaugh went to one school, and Renate went to another, she’d never have seen how the boys at Georgetown Prep referred to her.

Granted nearly all my friends went to the same school as me but I didn’t share my yearbook with friends that went to other schools.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:47:30pm

re: #413 Blind Frog Belly White

I imagine that in this case, given that Kavanaugh went to one school, and Renate went to another, she’d never have seen how the boys at Georgetown Prep referred to her.

Ayep. Hell, considering they consulted women from five different schools, I doubt any of them had any idea how they were talked about by Kavanaugh and his fellow drunkards outside of the dates/parties they were invited to.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:48:02pm

re: #414 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

fox news:

CNN slammed as ‘highly misleading,’ ‘irresponsible’ after painting GOP activists as average voters

yeah, how dare cnn claim that gop activists are normal people!!

Because GOP activists aren’t average voters. FFS Fox, I know you’re stupid but at least try to fucking read.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:48:36pm

Axios and the New York Times Retract Reports That Rod Rosenstein Was Fired, or Resigned, or Whatever

rosenstein was definitely whatevered

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:48:38pm

re: #418 Targetpractice

Ayep. Hell, considering they consulted women from five different schools, I doubt any of them had any idea how they were talked about by Kavanaugh and his fellow drunkards outside of the dates/parties they were invited to.

Right.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:49:51pm

Peel away that onion and what stinks is Brett Kavanaugh.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:50:22pm

re: #418 Targetpractice

Ayep. Hell, considering they consulted women from five different schools, I doubt any of them had any idea how they were talked about by Kavanaugh and his fellow drunkards outside of the dates/parties they were invited to.

“Yeah, I’m seeing this girl. She’s beautiful, got an amazing body. She’ll do anything. She goes to a different school, though, so you wouldn’t know her.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:50:49pm

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Peel away that onion and what stinks is Brett Kavanaugh.

“Ogres are like onions.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:51:34pm

in Ohio:

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:52:03pm

re: #416 Backwoods_Sleuth

manly tears:

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It has all the stink of a scripted ad. You can see the look on her face when asked the question about the FBI that she’s been instructed to defer to him on any such questions. She’s just there to be a prop, spouting lines about how he’s been such a nice guy since they met, leaving out that her knowledge of his personality before they met is based solely on what he and their mutual friends have told her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:55:24pm

also in Ohio, Ms Garrett is running against Jim Jordan:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:56:14pm

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

also in Ohio, Ms Garrett is running against Jim Jordan:

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Jim Jordan is such a Trump humping hack.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 5:59:16pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:01:35pm

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

Erickson’s really gone around the bend over this, hasn’t he?

Here I thought he was just getting back to being his old self.

He is two brain cells smarter than Dim Jim and just as much a wingnut conservative homer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:01:36pm
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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:03:23pm

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s definitely acting like someone who’s got stories he doesn’t want his parents to find out about.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:05:42pm

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m trying to figure out how exactly he’s credible and the women who have made the allegations aren’t. He showed himself to be willing to lie or at least dodge the truth in the earlier part of the hearing and during the WH interviews with him. Why should we trust him? Because someone who shares his ideology and worked with him has a vested interest in seeing him on SCOTUS?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:05:47pm

re: #62 Kragar

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“You’re 26. Sit down and shut the fuck up for the next ten years.”

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:05:59pm

Scavenged from a Rick Wilson tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:06:27pm
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steve_davis  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:06:59pm

re: #38 Dave In Austin

For those more talented than I.

[Embedded content]

“No, no, not the kilbasa. That makes me verklempt.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:09:10pm
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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:09:13pm

re: #38 Dave In Austin

For those more talented than I.

[Embedded content]

“Ask me back in 2 1/2 years.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:13:37pm

Okay why would anyone make a “What happens here, stays here” type comment if they were just interested in church, studies, and sports?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:15:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:16:36pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I believe it completely.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:16:50pm

re: #374 HappyWarrior

With quotes by actual people who knew him then rather than Republican hacks and old friends who want him to succeed at all costs. Fuck off Erick. And keep your daughter away from him.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to discover that Erickson is like Todd Kinkannon.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:17:37pm

re: #443 MsJ

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to discover that Erickson is like Todd Kinkannon.

Oh yeah, the way he’s raging about this makes me seriously think he has some disturbing shit he doesn’t want known about him.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:18:53pm

You don’t write a lame inside joke like that regarding someone you casually dated or went to dances with. Come on, it was the early fucking 80’s. I’m much younger than these guys but I have plenty of cousins around the same age as Kav and his friends who came of age at the same time granted in not nearly as prestigious places but still.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:19:15pm

And I apologize if calling him Kav comes off casual, it’s just me being lazy.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:19:31pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

That school official has been fired:

ARLINGTON, Texas - Parents of students at The Oakridge School in Arlington woke up Monday to find their school in the national spotlight.

An administrator admitted to sending an expletive-filled Twitter message to Michael Avenatti, attorney for Stormy Daniels and one of Brett Kavanaugh’s accusers, according to an email to parents from the school.

Butch Groves, head of the upper school at The Oakridge School, has since been suspended indefinitely.

Or suspended indefinitely.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:22:54pm

re: #446 HappyWarrior

And I apologize if calling him Kav comes off casual, it’s just me being lazy.

You can call him Augh.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:23:12pm

re: #448 jaunte

You can call him Augh.

Fair compromise :). I can spare a letter.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:25:17pm

re: #401 HappyWarrior

I mean I probably had 65 girls and 65 men who said “Oh him? Yeah he’s a pretty okay guy” but I think few would really be able ot testify about my vices. I remember how shocked people I knew more than 10 years at that time that I had tried pot and had drank.

I’d be shocked if 65 people from my high school remembered me. Every kid had a chore clique of friends and some others on the periphery of those friends along with some outliers. 65 though? Doubt it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:26:30pm

re: #450 MsJ

I’d be shocked if 65 people from my high school remembered me. Every kid had a chore clique of friends and some others on the periphery of those friends along with some outliers. 65 though? Doubt it.

Well everyone remembers the kid who knew all the Presidents in order lol. But yeah I hear ya.

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steve_davis  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:37:21pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

“Never had intercourse in high school?”
“That’s correct. There was a time some of us tried to get a 15 year old to pull a train, but—”
“And, we’ll be right back after this extended commercial break!!”

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:42:17pm

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

also in Ohio, Ms Garrett is running against Jim Jordan:

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I so hope she can win, but that district likes Jordan. She faces a huge hill to climb.


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