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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:40:59pm

Yes it’s a real word. lifedeathprizes.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:41:19pm

Step-father update: He is now out of the hospital and in the rehabilitation facility.

The insurance company is rejecting the claim because he was in rehab already (for another problem).

My mother also viewed the assisted living centre today … now the issue is to convince her this is a good thing for them. The rehab facility says my step-father can never go home.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:45:26pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:47:04pm

Trump, shittiest host ever.

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calochortus  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:47:29pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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And I just keep asking myself: Who cares who someone else loves?

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:48:25pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:51:41pm
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calochortus  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:52:46pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I trust they’ll keep up the good work.

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Jason Munro  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:53:00pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Potentially huge diplomatic cost to the United States with absolutely zero benefit

I wish pandering to the anti-gay WND crowd had no benefit, but they vote, and they eat asinine shit like this up :/

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:54:36pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:55:24pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:56:53pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:57:52pm

re: #6 gocart mozart

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Harry Truman on Billy Graham Cracker:

Merle Miller quotes Harry S. Truman on Rev. Billy Graham in his oral biography Plain Speaking: But now we’ve got just this one evangelist, this Billy Graham, and he’s gone off the beam. He’s… well, I hadn’t ought to say this, but he’s one of those counterfeits I was telling you about. He claims he’s a friend of all the Presidents, but he was never a friend of mine when I was President. I just don’t go for people like that. All he’s interested in is getting his name in the paper.

zoomdune.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:59:35pm

Well we had another Friday Night Toilet Flush today.

Oh, I wonder what will be in tomorrow’s Toilet Flush…

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Jason Munro  Oct 1, 2018 • 9:02:40pm

OT nerd rant:

I use Travis CI for testing my Open Source software. REALLY cool service that is free for projects like mine. It also integrates with Browserstack (also free for Open Source projects) which provides “real” browser support. In other words, you can setup your web app in Travis, and have the Browserstack service click on links and buttons then check the response to make sure it does what you expect.

It’s very cool when it works. Today it failed on one instance. I reran it. It failed again at a different place. Reran it again. It worked. I did not change anything between the reruns.

This is the kind of thing that makes software developers pull out already graying hair!

/end rant

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 9:14:18pm

Food Break Time!

Today, Philippe’s the Los Angeles institution that created the French Dip Sandwich turned 110 years old. Click on the link to see all the goodness!

la.eater.com

And the teaser…

110 Years Old Today!
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calochortus  Oct 1, 2018 • 9:14:23pm

re: #14 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well we had another Friday Night Toilet Flush today.

Oh, I wonder what will be in tomorrow’s Toilet Flush…

I guess we’ll find out. I guess I’ll head off to bed so I can be well rested for whatever happens.
Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2018 • 9:21:28pm

When Trump talks about his new BFF, Kim Jong Un, remember the Kims are responsible for the plight of people like this woman.

How China Is “Worse than North Korea”

Her English is a little unclear, and while the Closed Captioning is faulty, it helps to turn it on.

Here is her memoir about her young life so far. amazon.com

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 9:26:34pm
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austin_blue  Oct 1, 2018 • 9:35:41pm

I continue to be amazed at the stupidity of the plurality of the American people.

This nominee is a drunk and a sexual abusive bald-faced liar.

And yet, four days before the vote to confirm him, he is still in the game.

It’s a travesty of any kind of a reasonable constitutional process.

Of course, that concept was torpedoed after what happened with Merrick Garland.

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austin_blue  Oct 1, 2018 • 9:39:24pm

And goodnight, all. Sweet scaly dreams.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 9:45:46pm

re: #20 austin_blue

That’s just how Republicans roll.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 10:09:03pm

Because why not… .

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 1, 2018 • 10:09:36pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 10:58:32pm

I wonder if they’re related

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 11:05:20pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 11:10:11pm

re: #20 austin_blue

I continue to be amazed at the stupidity of the plurality of the American people.

It’s not stupidity, it’s mendacity.

Mind you, I’m not saying they aren’t stupid. I’m saying their stupidity isn’t the operative factor here.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 11:25:07pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2018 • 11:26:39pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Those words endeared him to millions of American males across the nation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2018 • 11:45:56pm

re: #20 austin_blue

Of course, that concept was torpedoed after what happened with Merrick Garland.

I am stepping back and ignoring the details, but basically whatever shit is flung at Kavanaugh, it is the fault of the GOP for him being there in the first place.

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Kragar  Oct 1, 2018 • 11:47:49pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 11:50:31pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 11:51:54pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 12:11:07am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 12:47:11am

re: #25 Single-handed sailor

China has a fundamental disagreement with other nations about the South China Sea. Everyone else regards it as international waters, while China, basing its claim on some convenient, but old map, says it has a historic claim to it.

time.com

Sooner or later, there will be shots fired over this issue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 12:49:13am

re: #35 wheat-dogg

China has a fundamental disagreement with other nations about the South China Sea. Everyone else regards it as international waters, while China, basing its claim on some convenient, but old map, says it has a historic claim to it.

time.com

Sooner or later, there will be shots fired over this issue.

Have they not been turning some barely exposed coral reefs into permanent island bases?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 12:50:28am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 12:52:08am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Have they not been turning some barely exposed coral reefs into permanent island bases?

Indeed they have, complete with an airstrip and docks. The government disavows any military purpose, but it is clear from surveillance photos that the base could easily serve as a naval station.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 12:52:59am

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

Getting older mostly sucks, but I feel sorry for anyone too young to understand how funny someone getting into a fight after a UB40 concert is.

Even more ironic is a bunch of privileged white kids going to a concert by a band named after an Unemployment Benefits application form 40

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 1:07:26am

re: #38 wheat-dogg

Indeed they have, complete with an airstrip and docks. The government disavows any military purpose, but it is clear from surveillance photos that the base could easily serve as a naval station.

What commercial purpose could they possibly serve?

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 1:27:23am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What commercial purpose could they possibly serve?

“marine research” is the ostensible purpose

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2018 • 1:33:28am

After demolishing the executive branch, then castrating the legislative branch, Trump and the GOP are close to neutering the judicial branch. The transformation of your country into a democrature is nearly complete.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 1:50:50am

re: #42 Lupin

The transformation of your country …

Have you renounced your American citizenship?

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 1:54:45am

re: #42 Lupin

After demolishing the executive branch, then castrating the legislative branch, Trump and the GOP are close to neutering the judicial branch. The transformation of your country into a democrature is nearly complete.

We’re a month away from the general elections. If the Kavanaugh nom fails and the Dems can capture one or both houses of Congress, we may yet save the republic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 1:54:57am

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Have you renounced your American citizenship?

I have now been living abroad longer than I ever lived in America, never considered giving up my citizenship, though. Although if Trump is still President after 2020, I will consider it seriously…

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:09:19am

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have now been living abroad longer than I ever lived in America, never considered giving up my citizenship, though. Although if Trump is still President after 2020, I will consider it seriously…

America is deeply sick, in many ways it has always been sick. I don’t think progress has ever come from Americans who wanted it to become something better deciding to wash their hands of it instead.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:12:35am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

America is deeply sick, in many ways it has always been sick. I don’t think progress has ever come from Americans who wanted it to become something better deciding to wash their hands of it instead.

I am registered to vote in Arizona, which was has been deeply red since the 70’s when we elected people like Mo Udall and Bruce Babbitt, but am glad that my vote might even start to finally count for something this time around.

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:25:41am

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Have you renounced your American citizenship?

Actually, no, or not yet, and I might still do it; I am hoping things can be turned around, but I’m not optimistic.

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:33:38am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

America is deeply sick, in many ways it has always been sick. I don’t think progress has ever come from Americans who wanted it to become something better deciding to wash their hands of it instead.

Things are not so simple. When I was in business school in Paris in the late 70s, my Spanish-language TA was a Chilean who’d fled his country, literally 12 hours before he would have been scooped up by Pinochet’s goons and “disappeared”. I also had a good friend who’s crawled out of Rumania on his hands and knees at night for pretty much the same reasons. Now, I do not think for a minute this will happen in the US, although caging kids is a step towards it, and the naked hatred from the far right towards us ix basically exterminationist in its core. But I respect people who left their country in desperate situations.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:37:17am

re: #48 Lupin

Actually, no, or not yet, and I might still do it; I am hoping things can be turned around, but I’m not optimistic.

Whether you eventually renounce or not is up to you, but if you actually care what happens to America do you think the othering language and almost gloating tone you frequently take here is genuinely helpful?

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:37:38am

It is now time for wheat-dogg, the newly minted manager, to vent some frustrations with dealing with a new hire. Feel free to skip over the stuff in the private tags.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:39:22am

washingtonpost.com

Reddit bans r/GreatAwakening (the QAnon subreddit).

As of Wednesday, visitors to the r/greatawakening subreddit were instead greeted with a message explaining the ban. A Reddit spokeswoman said that “posting content that incites violence, disseminates personal information, or harasses will get users and communities banned from Reddit.”

Mods at the subreddit had to constantly tell people not to search for or post child pornography to Reddit as proof of some sort of liberal conspiracy to cover up child exploitation.

According to an archived version of the board, visible via the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, r/greatawakening had more than 70,000 subscribers before the ban.

The r/greatawakening subreddit became the main Reddit board dedicated to QAnon believers after the site banned its predecessor, r/CBTS_stream (CBTS stands for “calm before the storm”), in March for “inciting violence.” There are a few smaller Reddit boards dedicated to the conspiracy theory, but none on Reddit has been quite as central as r/greatawakening. Some of those smaller boards, like r/The_GreatAwakening, were also banned as of Wednesday.

(more at the WP, including explanations of what the hell Q and QAnon are, some of the famous people who follow it including Rosanne Barr and Sean Hannity, &c)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:40:30am

re: #49 Lupin

Things are not so simple. When I was in business school in Paris in the late 70s, my Spanish-language TA was a Chilean who’d fled his country, literally 12 hours before he would have been scooped up by Pinochet’s goons and “disappeared”. I also had a good friend who’s crawled out of Rumania on his hands and knees at night for pretty much the same reasons. Now, I do not think for a minute this will happen in the US, although caging kids is a step towards it, and the naked hatred from the far right towards us ix basically exterminationist in its core. But I respect people who left their country in desperate situations.

I just see the US in decline as a major world power. Some day the Dollar will lose its status as the World Reserve Currency and we will no longer be able to finance tax cuts with deficits.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:45:17am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:45:58am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just see the US in decline as a major world power. Some day the Dollar will lose its status as the World Reserve Currency and we will no longer be able to finance tax cuts with deficits.

I definitely agree the US is in decline in terms of global dominance, and see that as a good thing generally. What’s genuinely horrifying is that we’re not doing it gracefully and are instead shitting all over alliances painstakingly built up over the last century.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:46:28am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

America is deeply sick, in many ways it has always been sick.

This will become more evident as this century goes on, I propose, as the old days of the land-grab of the 19th century falls farther and farther away in experience.

So much of what made America “rich” was the rapid exploitation of natural resources on a continent that had not experienced an iron age, unlike Eurasia and Africa.

The availability of fossil fuels and minerals for metals really set off the US into the world’s industrial powerhouse.

But unlike Trump, who sells the idea to his marks that this wealth is a bottomless pit, reality is we are burning through the highest quality of fossil fuels, and the age of microelectronics requires trace elements whose easy-access deposits are found elsewhere.

The real asset the US has is prime farmland. And yet the over-exploitation has caused a great deal of erosion. That the US can remain a food exporter even in the face of climate change is our ace in the hole as far as global wealth is concerned.

But my earlier lament remains - we are setting ourselves up for the need to cheapen our currency and the retirees (like me) are going to hit a wall in regards to hard choices.

Note that the GOP Congress is more than happy to sneak in tax gifts to their sugar daddies, but not address the problem of Social Security and Medicare creeping up on us.

And this gets me back to your idea of America being “sick”. I liken it more to America being drunk, and the hangover is just beginning.

The 19th century land grab and a slave economy set up expectations of never-ending wealth (for the free man anyway), but the reality of our planet will not allow this to go on forever.

It is often assumed that innovations in productivity can make up for resource problems.

But the social problems are not so wistfully wished away.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:48:49am

They will hunt us down for our sexual communism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:49:38am

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

I definitely agree the US is in decline in terms of global dominance, and see that as a good thing generally. What’s genuinely horrifying is that we’re not doing it gracefully and are instead shitting all over alliances painstakingly built up over the last century.

Yes, instead of recognizing the fact that we became the world’s leading power much by default (as a rseult of the self-destruction of Europe in the first half of the 20th century and the collapse of the USSR at the end of the century) we are both retreating into isolationism in trade and diplomacy while still trying to maintain military dominance.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:51:10am

re: #57 Single-handed sailor

We now live in an age that borders on sexual McCarthyism.

They can no longer get away with behavior that was once overlooked or deemed acceptable and are whining about it.

Just try treating women with respect and deference if you are capable of that.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:55:15am

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

I definitely agree the US is in decline in terms of global dominance, and see that as a good thing generally. What’s genuinely horrifying is that we’re not doing it gracefully and are instead shitting all over alliances painstakingly built up over the last century.

As someone here mentioned earlier, it began with the end of the Bretton-Woods agreement and Nixon letting the price of gold float against the dollar. Trump is accelerating the process further by abdicating our traditional role as (for lack of a better term) leader of the free world. Trump sees things only for their monetary value, not their diplomatic, geopolitic or economic value. So, he trashes NATO, NAFTA, TPP, military alliances and defense agreements, and congenial relations with our historic allies, bragging that he can get a “better deal” for America.

America is not going to be great “again” with Trump at the helm.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 2:57:41am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, instead of recognizing the fact that we became the world’s leading power much by default (as a rseult of the self-destruction of Europe in the first half of the 20th century and the collapse of the USSR at the end of the century) we are both retreating into isolationism in trade and diplomacy while still trying to maintain military dominance.

China’s client states are waking up to the bum deals China offers them, and now would be a good time to court those states to win them over to “our side.” That would take a capable State Department and president with a long-term vision of the American role in world politics, though.

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:01:32am

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Whether you eventually renounce or not is up to you, but if you actually care what happens to America do you think the othering language and almost gloating tone you frequently take here is genuinely helpful?

Glowering, or angry. You’re projecting. Your problem, not mine.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:03:36am

re: #56 freetoken

The real asset the US has is prime farmland. And yet the over-exploitation has caused a great deal of erosion. That the US can remain a food exporter even in the face of climate change is our ace in the hole as far as global wealth is concerned.

Another aspect of the over-exploitation that needs to be mentioned is the Ogallala Aquifer. Once it is depleted, that prime farmland is going to be much less productive. I don’t recall who said his farm’s water table is much lower now than in the past, but water is becoming a scarcening (that really should be a word; ok, it is a word. Siri is a moron, also, water is wet) resource in the plains land. It’s not a serious problem yet, but it will be in the future.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:05:01am

A hidden galaxy seen through a sea of stars

[…]

This image is one of those shortlisted in this year’s Insight Astronomy Photographer of the Year competition, organised by the Royal Observatory Greenwich.

Image: 100118_hidden_galaxy.jpg

It’s one of the closest large galaxies to the Milky Way, being perhaps a bit smaller and less massive than our own galaxy. It doesn’t get much love in SciFi, though it is much larger than the (albeit closer) Triangulum galaxy.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:06:41am

re: #64 freetoken

Amazing photography.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:08:24am

re: #60 wheat-dogg

Trump sees things only for their monetary value, not their diplomatic, geopolitic or economic value. So, he trashes NATO, NAFTA, TPP, military alliances and defense agreements, and congenial relations with our historic allies, bragging that he can get a “better deal” for America.

It’s not even that, he views everything purely in terms of his own ego. When he actually does speak in terms of monetary value as when harping on and frequently lying about meaningless amounts in trade deficits, it is solely to sell tariffs or a mostly meaningless brand building campaign like the NAFTA to USMC bullshit, disguised as a real personal accomplishment.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:08:57am

re: #63 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Some of the aquifers in the plains states are recharging.

Also, the most productive of US farmland is not dependent on irrigation. It’s mostly a region from Nebraska down through the Texas panhandle that are irrigation intensive, outside of California (which uses river diversion for a great deal of farmland.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:10:34am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What commercial purpose could they possibly serve?

Supporting all the natural gas suspected to be in the South China Sea. (That is, military support.)

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:13:20am

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

It’s not even that, he views everything purely in terms of his own ego. When he actually does speak in terms of monetary value as when harping on and frequently lying about meaningless amounts in trade deficits, it is solely to sell tariffs or a mostly meaningless brand building campaign like the NAFTA to USMC bullshit, disguised as a real personal accomplishment.

Quite true, as well. He wants history to remember him for his many “achievements,” though so far all he has done is recycle old ones he has unilaterally canceled or backed out of.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:17:17am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What commercial purpose could they possibly serve?

Each one creates a 200 nm exclusive economic zone that pushes out to sea and against the EEZ’s of China’s neighbors. So under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea they create legal claims to fisheries and other natural resources. It was a major oversight when the Convention was created not to exclude artificially created islands.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:18:38am

re: #57 Single-handed sailor

They will hunt us down for our sexual communism.

We are redistributing the means of sex?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:18:59am

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

Each one creates a 200 nm exclusive economic zone that pushes out to sea and against the EEZ’s of China’s neighbors. So under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea they create legal claims to fisheries and other natural resources. It was a major oversight when the Convention was created not to exclude artificially created islands.

It’s hard to even be mad at China over this, they saw an obvious loophole and drove right through it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:21:28am

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

We are redistributing the means of sex?

In a word, yes. Women are not chattel to be owned by their fathers/husbands, but independent actors.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:23:47am

re: #63 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Another aspect of the over-exploitation that needs to be mentioned is the Ogallala Aquifer. Once it is depleted, that prime farmland is going to be much less productive. I don’t recall who said his farm’s water table is much lower now than in the past, but water is becoming a scarcening (that really should be a word; ok, it is a word. Siri is a moron, also, water is wet) resource in the plains land. It’s not a serious problem yet, but it will be in the future.

This is partially addressed: South Dakota, Nebraska, and extreme eastern Wyoming sit above the Aquifer. All meter water drawn from the aquifer to prevent overuse. A good measure for us here is the North Platte River bed is actually below the level of the Aquifer in the area, so the level of the river is the level of the Aquifer.

South of us in Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas, they are an unregulated libertarian paradise. As such, the tragedy of the commons is applied to the Aquifer’s south end, meaning Texas and Kansas are both dry. (I read something somewhere saying it would take about 400 years to recharge the Aquifer in Texas if they stopped drawing water from it.)

A law was passed in 1986 to monitor the Aquifer and propose methods to ensure it is not depleted - Wy, SD, and Nebr. all adopted those recommendations.

ne.water.usgs.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:32:46am

From that article above, the USGS has a ninety-second video on changes to the Ogallala Aquifer from pre-development to present.

Amongst other things, there are about 7,000 wells which are used to test water levels for USGS (that is one of the jobs I have to do, as one of our village wells has to be regularly tested for the water level in the Aquifer).

The video is interesting in that it uses pseudo-3D graphics to show depletion (or addition) in the aquifer in each state. Added water generally only appears on the north end.

Water-level Change in the High Plains Aquifer System

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:54:17am
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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 4:27:30am

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

Because why not… .

Kanye wants to bring Kaepernick “to the White House” to get him and Trump “on the same page”

to get trump on his knees?
putin’s already got him doing that

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 4:30:58am

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those words endeared him to millions of American males across the nation.

who think the big brands of american beer are beer
and that somehow the volume you consume is reflective of your manhood

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 4:42:01am

re: #78 dangerman

who think the big brands of american beer are beer
and that somehow the volume you consume is reflective of your manhood

Ones who have used that same excuse over and over to people around them…

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 4:43:26am

re: #51 wheat-dogg

It is now time for wheat-dogg, the newly minted manager, to vent some frustrations with dealing with a new hire. Feel free to skip over the stuff in the private tags.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 4:43:36am

Guys, seriously, he’s not smart.

President Trump personally directed an effort in February to stop Stormy Daniels from publicly describing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, people familiar with the events say.

In a phone call, Mr. Trump instructed his then-lawyer Michael Cohen to seek a restraining order against the former adult-film actress, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, through a confidential arbitration proceeding, one of the people said. Messrs. Trump and Cohen had learned shortly before that Ms. Clifford was considering giving a media interview about her alleged relationship with Mr. Trump, despite having signed an October 2016 nondisclosure agreement.

Mr. Trump told Mr. Cohen to coordinate the legal response with Eric Trump, one of the president’s sons, and another outside lawyer who had represented Mr. Trump and the Trump Organization in other matters, the people said. Eric Trump, who is running the company with his brother in Mr. Trump’s absence, then tasked a Trump Organization staff attorney in California with signing off on the arbitration paperwork, these people said.

This was a totally avoidable own goal that any sane person with even the slightest understanding of legal exposure would have avoided like the plague. Now, as a direct result of the fallout from Trump’s idiotic attempt to enforce the NDA contract, Cohen stands convicted of a crime that he he says Trump explicitly ordered him to commit.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 4:50:38am

re: #69 wheat-dogg

Quite true, as well. He wants history to remember him for his many “achievements,” though so far all he has done is recycle old ones he has unilaterally canceled or backed out of.

‘history’ is smarter and will see him for exactly what he was

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 4:56:42am

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

Guys, seriously, he’s not smart…

This was a totally avoidable own goal that any sane person with even the slightest understanding of legal exposure would have avoided like the plague. Now, as a direct result of the fallout from Trump’s idiotic attempt to enforce the NDA contract, Cohen stands convicted of a crime that he he says Trump explicitly ordered him to commit.

He has never had to face any negative personal consequences from his own actions, and that is something that even the people around him have started to notice.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 4:58:45am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:05:08am

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

It’s clown shoes all the way down.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:05:42am

re: #57 Single-handed sailor

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They will hunt us down for our sexual communism.

It really does seem to be driving wingnuts batty that they have to keep maintaining this illusion that they don’t think Dr. Ford is a liar working towards a partisan agenda. They keep insisting the allegations are “false,” but they won’t call her a liar, they keep repeating this talking point that “something” happened to her and they totally feel sympathy for her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:07:47am

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Also, a reminder that Trump has tweeted about his previous efforts to enforce the NDA which he now says was “never formed.”

This is why Trump can never testify under oath without contradicting either himself or other sworn testimony

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:14:43am

re: #57 Single-handed sailor

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jeffreyw  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:15:00am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:18:18am

Amazon is raising their minimum wage to $15 starting November 1st.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:18:23am
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:22:27am

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Maybe we should give the GOP more to be mad about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:24:35am

re: #92 Belafon

Maybe we should give the GOP more to be mad about.

take away their beer

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Alephnaught  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:24:51am

How about this for a 2018 headline?

FBI agent dodges killer hot tub but is shot by booby-trapped wheelchair

A criminal complaint filed in US district court in Medford said officers found traps throughout the property including spike strips and a circular hot tub turned on its side and rigged to roll over anyone who triggered a tripwire.

“(It was) much like a scene from the movie ‘Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark’ in which actor Harrison Ford is forced to outrun a giant stone boulder that he inadvertently triggered by a booby trap switch,” the complaint said.

After making it past the hot tub, a bomb squad and FBI agent approached the house and blasted open the fortified front door.

Inside the home a wheelchair fitted with a fishing line, shotgun ammunition and other items triggered the explosion that wounded the agent, according to court documents. An X-ray found a .410-gauge shotgun pellet in the agent’s leg, documents said.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:25:59am

re: #80 dangerman

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:30:31am

re: #92 Belafon

Maybe we should give the GOP more to be mad about.

I’m makeitstop, and I approve this message.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:41:58am

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

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I sort of get what she’s saying but at the same time. We need to stay focused. Maybe mad or angry isn’t the right word but focused. Focused on reuniting separated families and bringing justice to them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:44:20am

re: #88 Belafon

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Exactly. I’m sorry but you don’t get to complain about “sexual McCartyism” on a network like FNC and all people want is consent to be respected which Kavandrunk can’t seem to do. Dr. Ford was 15 goddamn years old.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:45:39am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

I sort of get what she’s saying but at the same time. We need to stay focused. Maybe mad or angry isn’t the right word but focused. Focused on reuniting separated families and bringing justice to them.

Yes, the GOP need to have that hung around their neck like a goddamn rotting albatross.

Trump is the Party and the Party is Trump and do not let people like Flaky Jeff try to tell you anything otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:50:14am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, the GOP need to have that hung around their neck like a goddamn rotting albatross.

Trump is the Party and the Party is Trump and do not let people like Flaky Jeff try to tell you anything otherwise.

Link everyone running to Trump either via explicit support and or votes for policies or dismissing criticism. They want to be the party of Trump, I say we make em own every bit of it.

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b.d.(soros funded)  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:51:52am

Those alternate realities those eggheads talk about, how does one go about getting to one?

Kanye West Is Trying To Bring Colin Kaepernick And Trump Together

huffingtonpost.com

This reality has gotten too stupid for me.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:52:30am

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Oliver Willis
* Oct 1, 2018
The lefts biggest problem is not staying mad. Our attention span sucks. Cons are still fuming about Jimmy Carter and we already seem to have forgotten them putting babies in jails let alone the whole Iraq War.

Kathrina Visitkarte
@Visitkarte
The problem is, hatred is very bad for you. It corrupts and consumes you. It poisons your entire mind. You really think we want to win by becoming one of them?

the problem is right there in the post and riposte

she turned ‘mad’ and ‘attention span’ into “hatred”

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:52:48am

re: #101 b.d.(i like beer)

Those alternate realities those eggheads talk about, how does one go about getting to one?

huffingtonpost.com

This reality has gotten too stupid for me.

The stupid will continue until morale improves.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:53:31am

re: #102 dangerman

the problem is right there in the post and riposte

she turned ‘mad’ and ‘attention span’ into “hatred”

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:54:21am

re: #101 b.d.(i like beer)

Those alternate realities those eggheads talk about, how does one go about getting to one?

huffingtonpost.com

This reality has gotten too stupid for me.

The simulation started bugging out right around when Trump got nominated.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:54:40am

re: #95 wheat-dogg

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2018 • 5:55:56am

re: #57 Single-handed sailor

They will hunt us down for our sexual communism.

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Sex Communist Party?

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:00:18am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I’m sorry but you don’t get to complain about “sexual McCartyism” on a network like FNC and all people want is consent to be respected which Kavandrunk can’t seem to do. Dr. Ford was 15 goddamn years old.

mccarthyism was witch hunting

(sexual) assault accusations are about actual crimes and are supposed to be based on facts

try and list say 10 men whose reputations were ‘ruined’ by allegations ultimately proven totally made up and malicious. false accusations are not an epidemic. not even a blip

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:02:26am

re: #106 dangerman

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:03:39am

re: #60 wheat-dogg

As someone here mentioned earlier, it began with the end of the Bretton-Woods agreement and Nixon letting the price of gold float against the dollar. Trump is accelerating the process further by abdicating our traditional role as (for lack of a better term) leader of the free world. Trump sees things only for their monetary value, not their diplomatic, geopolitic or economic value. So, he trashes NATO, NAFTA, TPP, military alliances and defense agreements, and congenial relations with our historic allies, bragging that he can get a “better deal” for America.

America is not going to be great “again” with Trump at the helm.

I’ve pointed out that America’s decline became evident with the first OPEC boycott in October of 1973. We were no longer autarkic (fully self-sufficient economically). The economic evidence shows that the decline of the middle class began with the boycott and it’s been accelerating ever since.

I can remember growing up in Western PA, a man made enough at the mill to buy a house, car and provide a college education for his kids. A spouse didn’t have to work. The mill provided free health and life insurance. Then IW Abel sold out the Steelworkers union, Lane Kirkland and his stooges in the Social Democrats USA made a pact with President Pruneface to fight them dirty commies and the coup was administered by Millken the Junk Bond pimp who unleashed his Wall Street pals to destroy our manufacturing infrastructure. But ol Pruneface and his pals didn’t stop there. They looted the Savings and Loan system and got away with it.

Now a couple has to work at least two, probably three jobs just to break even. College has been deliberately put out of the reach of kids unless they want to be debt slaves for the rest of their lives. Hell, I remember starting at Pitt in 1973 when the tuition was $450 a trimester. Now? it’s 15X as much!

And I got to admire the way conservatives implemented the plan Lewis Powell mapped for them. They now have total domination in every facet of society. Their unleashing of Ayn Rand’s selfishness is complete.

Once we had a national will, but thanks to the New Right that became a national won’t.

We’re not going to save ourselves. Looks like the rest of the world is going to do an intervention and it will be painful.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:06:59am

re: #108 dangerman

mccarthyism was witch hunting

(sexual) assault accusations are about actual crimes and are supposed to be based on facts

try and list say 10 men whose reputations were ‘ruined’ by allegations ultimately proven totally made up and malicious. false accusations are not an epidemic. not even a blip

I’m stumped honestly. Same thing with they’re looking for fame.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:07:53am

re: #110 Joe Bacon 🌹

I can remember growing up in Western PA, a man made enough at the mill to buy a house, car and provide a college education for his kids. A spouse didn’t have to work. The mill provided free health and life insurance.

My dad was a steel mill worker in Gary, Indiana and that was how I remember growing up.

Those jobs are gone and they are not going to come back no matter how much Trump cuts taxes or guts regulations.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:10:57am

It’s going to be one of those days

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:12:28am

Well, if the OP is correct, next year will be one hell of a PITA for the EU and the UK.

I think the EU should just shut off the inbound Chunnel traffic, and restrict the outbound traffic, and see how long it takes the UK to give up on Brexit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:13:25am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My dad was a steel mill worker in Gary, Indiana and that was how I remember growing up.

Those jobs are gone and they are not going to come back no matter how much Trump cuts taxes or guts regulations.

But the Trumpettes don’t believe that. They’ve snorted so much of Ayn Rand’s Laissez Fairyland dust that they’ll believe anything their right wing Pulpit Pimp Pastors and Priests tell them.

That’s right boys and girls! Clap Harder! Keep Clapping at Trump Rallies and Tinkerbelle the Invisible Hand Of The Free Market will once again bring you your heart’s desires! Keep Clapping!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:16:09am

re: #113 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Helpless victims of circumstance?”

Such a fucking classic straw-man argument to let the conservative intellectual heavyweights have a workout knocking over…

They do not like the sight of blacks being anything but helpless and complain when they even symbolically try to resist and overcome.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:16:34am

re: #113 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s going to be one of those days

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I’m guessing the Atticus is some crap trying to claim that Kavanaugh is Tom Robinson and the left are the people who lynched him. As for the first, Mr. Smith you write this for a publication that not even 60 years ago defended segregation and whose founder in to the 80’s defended Apartheid.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:16:57am

re: #113 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s going to be one of those days

I really don’t want to look, do I?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:18:18am

NRO are the same snobby assholes as Kav and his guys. False sense of entitlement & superiority simply because they are wealthy white conservatives.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:19:05am

re: #113 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s going to be one of those days

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Did National Racists Online come out in support of KKKooKKKy KKKanye’s demand that the 13th Amendment be repealed?

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:19:21am

And hot on the heels of my re-watching the last four Star Wars movies comes this: Russian trolls were the main source of criticism of The Last Jedi.

FWIW, I was neutral about Laura Dern’s appearance the first time I saw the flick, but watching it a second time gave me the impression someone was forced to shoehorn her character into the plot. Her role and connection with Leia was handled very clumsily.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:21:02am

Their entire business model depends on turning outrage into page views, don’t fall for it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:21:05am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

NRO are the same snobby assholes as Kav and his guys. False sense of entitlement & superiority simply because they are wealthy white Fundamental Protestant XTIAN conservatives.

Praise Jay-Zuss!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:21:42am

The ideology of NRO:
Thought my ancestors fleeing the French Revolution should not be wanted.
Thought mine fleeing the Potsto Famine unworthy of compassion and a new start.
Thought my Slavic ones as being inferior to their “Anglo Saxon” culture.
Fuck NRO & their attempts to make Kavanaugh a victim. He’s a predatory drunk who for the first time in his life is being told no.

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Archangelus  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:22:20am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:22:49am

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Their entire business model depends on turning outrage into page views, don’t fall for it.

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Yeah I ain’t either. I know how Lowry and his friends operate.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:23:04am

re: #123 Joe Bacon 🌹

Praise Jay-Zuss!

Jay Zeus? Son of Zeus? /

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:24:02am

re: #125 Archangelus

TBH I don’t think Kavanaugh belongs to AA, because he’s apparently never faced up to his drinking problems.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:24:11am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

The ideology of NRO:
Thought my ancestors fleeing the French Revolution should not be wanted.
Thought mine fleeing the Potsto Famine unworthy of compassion and a new start.
Thought my Slavic ones as being inferior to their “Anglo Saxon” culture.
Fuck NRO & their attempts to make Kavanaugh a victim. He’s a predatory drunk who for the first time in his life is being told no.

Just a reminder of how racist Buckley was. Nothing gave me more pleasure than seeing James Baldwin smack that smarmy asshole down at the Cambridge Union debate!

James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:24:16am

re: #127 Unshaken Defiance

Jay Zeus? Son of Zeus? /

His nephew, old sport, used to go by Gatsby until he had to flee West Egg. Oh dear said too much.//

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:25:42am

re: #129 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just a reminder of how racist Buckley was. Nothing gave me more pleasure than seeing James Baldwin smack that smarmy asshole down at the Cambridge Union debate!

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I love that an openly gay black man gave him that ownage at one of the oldest colleges in the English speaking world. You know Buckley shit himself after that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:26:25am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

TBH I don’t think Kavanaugh belongs to AA, because he’s apparently never faced up to his drinking problems.

That’s the wrong AA.

Kavanaugh belongs to Assholes Anonymous.

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sagehen  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:26:48am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, instead of recognizing the fact that we became the world’s leading power much by default (as a rseult of the self-destruction of Europe in the first half of the 20th century and the collapse of the USSR at the end of the century) we are both retreating into isolationism in trade and diplomacy while still trying to maintain military dominance.

And we’d only gotten super-rich in the first place due to lucky geography — a massive piece of territory, sparsely populated, with enormous natural resources. Inaccessible from the east or west, with non-predatory neighbors to the north and south. Even before the other continents were reduced to rubble, we were the only ones in all of human history who ever had that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:28:43am

The right are the people who fight progress and then when time passes try to claim the mantle of the oppressed that they supported the oppression of.

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Archangelus  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:28:45am

re: #132 Joe Bacon 🌹

That’s the wrong AA.

Kavanaugh belongs to Assholes Anonymous.

Damn, I should have used that specifically instead… xD

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:30:50am

Donna Strickland, a laser researcher in Canada, is one of the co-winners of the Nobel Prize in Physics.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:34:42am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:36:01am

re: #137 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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See Libtard, he never did that!

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sagehen  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:42:24am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

The ideology of NRO:
Thought my ancestors fleeing the French Revolution should not be wanted.
Thought mine fleeing the Potsto Famine unworthy of compassion and a new start.
Thought my Slavic ones as being inferior to their “Anglo Saxon” culture.
Fuck NRO & their attempts to make Kavanaugh a victim. He’s a predatory drunk who for the first time in his life is being told no.

So really it’s down to — we should have never had a revolution and should have never declared independence. we should have stayed British.

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Archangelus  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:43:22am

re: #136 wheat-dogg

Donna Strickland, a laser researcher in Canada, is one of the co-winners of the Nobel Prize in Physics.

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Pictured: someone at her university right after the higher ups realized she didn’t have a wiki page…

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:47:15am

re: #139 sagehen

So really it’s down to — we should have never had a revolution and should have never declared independence. we should have stayed British.

I mean, from a certain point of view, that would have been the conservative position at the time. And one that probably would have carried the day if the colonies were represented in parliament

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:48:13am

re: #139 sagehen

So really it’s down to — we should have never had a revolution and should have never declared independence. we should have stayed British.

I think many of them definitely would have been loyalists or at least proponents of limited independence.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:48:38am

re: #141 KGxvi

Granted, the issue of slavery and abolition would have remained an issue, and may well have led to a conflict anyway

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:50:54am

re: #141 KGxvi

I mean, from a certain point of view, that would have been the conservative position at the time. And one that probably would have carried the day if the colonies were represented in parliament

DF annoyed me but he was honest about that at least. He knew his ideology wasn’t the heir of the Revolutionaries but those who sought the status quo. I admit I’m no Edmund Burke scholar but I sort of disagree with him characterized as conservative, I see him more of a moderate. Remember he was not only sympathetic towards our revolution but also the Irish Catholics as well, very rare for a Church of Ireland (Anglican) of that era.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:54:20am

re: #137 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:56:00am

Boy, is this guy gonna get an angry phone call…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:56:52am

re: #139 sagehen

So really it’s down to — we should have never had a revolution and should have never declared independence. we should have stayed British.

I have a seriously conservative friend who basically thinks that as well…

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:57:24am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

DF annoyed me but he was honest about that at least. He knew his ideology wasn’t the heir of the Revolutionaries but those who sought the status quo. I admit I’m no Edmund Burke scholar but I sort of disagree with him characterized as conservative, I see him more of a moderate. Remember he was not only sympathetic towards our revolution but also the Irish Catholics as well, very rare for a Church of Ireland (Anglican) of that era.

I think there’s always an attempt to paint historical figures with modern brushes. Same thing happens with Hobbes and Locke. It’s important, if you’re going to think deeply about law and politics to understand the basic tenants of their philosophies. But at the end of the day, they were commenting on a very different world than what we live in today and while we can look to them for guidance, it is our responsibility to address modern problems in a modern way

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:57:30am

re: #121 wheat-dogg

And hot on the heels of my re-watching the last four Star Wars movies comes this: Russian trolls were the main source of criticism of The Last Jedi.

FWIW, I was neutral about Laura Dern’s appearance the first time I saw the flick, but watching it a second time gave me the impression someone was forced to shoehorn her character into the plot. Her role and connection with Leia was handled very clumsily.

I like the movie for lots of reasons, but her character was there to go to hyperspace lightspeed
through another ship.

Edit: Got the terminology wrong for the universe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:57:47am

re: #145 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

White House just sent out a corrected transcript of Trump’s “I know you’re not thinking” exchange with Cecilia Vega, after incorrectly saying that he said “not thanking.”

They’re not thinking at you, they’re thinking with you!

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:58:04am

re: #145 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Mnuchin looks like he just gobbled down a succulent earthworm.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:58:43am

Hatred towards the right can be healthy. These uber tolerant liberals have been underestimating conservatives for decades and is a large reason why they have no power.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:00:06am

re: #101 b.d.(i like beer)

Those alternate realities those eggheads talk about, how does one go about getting to one?

huffingtonpost.com

This reality has gotten too stupid for me.

It’s a trap. Colin goes and nothing happens, he gets blamed for not trying to fix things. He doesn’t go, he gets blamed for not trying to fix things.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:00:45am

I would argue that at their most basic: liberalism and conservatism is a dispute over vision. The liberal man and woman dreams of a better tomorrow. The conservative man and woman is content with the present or even sees the past as their ideal. Now the specific ideas of what liberal and conservative philosophy have changed over the centuries arguably. But the basic premise behind those ideas stay the same. It’s why yeah damn right I’m proud to be a liberal. Liberalism has the guts to confront the status quo and say “This isn’t working.” Conservatism more or less is “Well we’ve always done it this way, let’s not.” Now do sometimes we rush on change? Perhaps so but an eagerness to protecting the status quo? I can frankly think of nothing that goes against the American spirit. I’m not saying you can’t be conservative and American, I’m saying that our spirit is at its core small letter, l- liberal. Whether that’s the Continental Congress or Obergefell and his fellow plaintiffs attempting to get marriage equality rights. It is not “Let’s stick with England because they’re the mother country.” or “Well the Bible says this and that about same sex relationships.”

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:04:04am

The New McCarthyism: Investigating and uncovering all the sexist and brutish behavior of our SCOTUS nominee has been very damaging to our cause.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:04:11am

re: #152 Amory Blaine

Hatred towards the right can be healthy. These uber tolerant liberals have been underestimating conservatives for decades and is a large reason why they have no power.

Idealists are easily manipulated by hardened cynics. Been that way throughout history and across the political spectrum.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:05:12am

re: #145 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh boy..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:06:22am

re: #148 KGxvi

I think there’s always an attempt to paint historical figures with modern brushes. Same thing happens with Hobbes and Locke. It’s important, if you’re going to think deeply about law and politics to understand the basic tenants of their philosophies. But at the end of the day, they were commenting on a very different world than what we live in today and while we can look to them for guidance, it is our responsibility to address modern problems in a modern way

I definitely agree with that. I try to judge historical figures by the issues of their own time which is why I brought Edmund Burke’s position on Ireland to the discussion. A conservative COI Irishman would have not supported the things he did.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:07:47am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I would argue that at their most basic: liberalism and conservatism is a dispute over vision. The liberal man and woman dreams of a better tomorrow. The conservative man and woman is content with the present or even sees the past as their ideal. Now the specific ideas of what liberal and conservative philosophy have changed over the centuries arguably. But the basic premise behind those ideas stay the same. It’s why yeah damn right I’m proud to be a liberal. Liberalism has the guts to confront the status quo and say “This isn’t working.” Conservatism more or less is “Well we’ve always done it this way, let’s not.” Now do sometimes we rush on change? Perhaps so but an eagerness to protecting the status quo? I can frankly think of nothing that goes against the American spirit. I’m not saying you can’t be conservative and American, I’m saying that our spirit is at its core small letter, l- liberal. Whether that’s the Continental Congress or Obergefell and his fellow plaintiffs attempting to get marriage equality rights. It is not “Let’s stick with England because they’re the mother country.” or “Well the Bible says this and that about same sex relationships.”

I’ve always liked the formulation that liberalism is an ideology, while conservativism is a temperament more than an ideology. Traditionalism is better thought of as an ideology. But a conservative temperament (which is argue Obama had), takes the approach that change can be good, but we should consider the consequences ahead of time so that we can mitigate the adverse affects of change in positive ways.

The problem is that conservativism in America has become an ideology that is basically a (white) reactionary populism. And populism has no need for reasoned consideration of anything

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:09:22am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

I definitely agree with that. I try to judge historical figures by the issues of their own time which is why I brought Edmund Burke’s position on Ireland to the discussion. A conservative COI Irishman would have not supported the things he did.

Fair, and I’ll cop to not having read (or at least remember reading) much of Burke

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:10:28am

re: #159 KGxvi

I’ve always liked the formulation that liberalism is an ideology, while conservativism is a temperament more than an ideology. Traditionalism is better thought of as an ideology. But a conservative temperament (which is argue Obama had), takes the approach that change can be good, but we should consider the consequences ahead of time so that we can mitigate the adverse affects of change in positive ways.

The problem is that conservativism in America has become an ideology that is basically a (white) reactionary populism. And populism has no need for reasoned consideration of anything

Modern conservatism is just a collection of talking points based on cussedness, misogyny, xenophobia and racism.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:10:53am

re: #159 KGxvi

I’ve always liked the formulation that liberalism is an ideology, while conservativism is a temperament more than an ideology. Traditionalism is better thought of as an ideology. But a conservative temperament (which is argue Obama had), takes the approach that change can be good, but we should consider the consequences ahead of time so that we can mitigate the adverse affects of change in positive ways.

The problem is that conservativism in America has become an ideology that is basically a (white) reactionary populism. And populism has no need for reasoned consideration of anything

Agreed. Nothing wrong with a conservative temperament or even a conservative lifestyle. It’s just yeah your bolded.

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Archangelus  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:13:30am

re: #149 Belafon

I like the movie for lots of reasons, but her character was there to go to hyperspace through another ship.

Her character was there to die heroically instead of Admiral Ackbar, whose actor Erik Bauersfeld died in 2016 as they were working on the film.

Also, let’s be honest - they were also definitely happy to avoid the potential trillion “Allah Ackbar” memes that would have popped up online if it would have been him to suicide-crash the imperial ships…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:13:34am

re: #160 KGxvi

Fair, and I’ll cop to not having read (or at least remember reading) much of Burke

I’m an Irish history buff. historyireland.com

I need to learn more about him but I definitely think it’s wrong to characterize him as a conservative of his era. Definitely more conservative and thoughtful than a Robespierre of course but definitely no Prince Metterich trying to restore the old ways either.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:16:53am

re: #149 Belafon

I liked the event and her plan, but…my problem was the “I’ve got a plan and I’m not telling anyone until it makes the hero mutiny against me” thing.

Umm…why was that a thing?

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:32:09am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I would argue that at their most basic: liberalism and conservatism is a dispute over vision. The liberal man and woman dreams of a better tomorrow. The conservative man and woman is content with the present or even sees the past as their ideal. Now the specific ideas of what liberal and conservative philosophy have changed over the centuries arguably. But the basic premise behind those ideas stay the same. It’s why yeah damn right I’m proud to be a liberal. Liberalism has the guts to confront the status quo and say “This isn’t working.” Conservatism more or less is “Well we’ve always done it this way, let’s not.” Now do sometimes we rush on change? Perhaps so but an eagerness to protecting the status quo? I can frankly think of nothing that goes against the American spirit. I’m not saying you can’t be conservative and American, I’m saying that our spirit is at its core small letter, l- liberal. Whether that’s the Continental Congress or Obergefell and his fellow plaintiffs attempting to get marriage equality rights. It is not “Let’s stick with England because they’re the mother country.” or “Well the Bible says this and that about same sex relationships.”

there is another dynamic in play today (in the US):

- it is the attitude of the conservative/right that their vision and only their vision is legitimate.

- that even any back and forth middle ground compromise is intolerable

- their means to this end is to take and hold power by whatever means necessary and possible, then wield that power in any way they see fit

- their justification is that they are the righteous

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:33:18am
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:33:19am

re: #165 Sufficient unto the day…

I liked the event and her plan, but…my problem was the “I’ve got a plan and I’m not telling anyone until it makes the hero mutiny against me” thing.

Umm…why was that a thing?

My best guess: leaks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:36:19am

re: #167 Ace-o-aces

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Left: Treat marijuana as no different from cigarettes and alcohol.

Right: Free trade is better than protectionism- both Bernie and Trump are fools on trade. Or get rid of the sales tax.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:36:52am

re: #166 dangerman

there is another dynamic in play today (in the US):

- it is the attitude of the conservative/right that their vision and only their vision is legitimate.

- that even any back and forth middle ground compromise is intolerable

- their means to this end is to take and hold power by whatever means necessary and possible, then wield that power in any way they see fit

- their justification is that they are the righteous

Yes indeed.

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Archangelus  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:37:29am

re: #165 Sufficient unto the day…

I liked the event and her plan, but…my problem was the “I’ve got a plan and I’m not telling anyone until it makes the hero mutiny against me” thing.

Umm…why was that a thing?

From what I could tell from other discussions about that, it’s that a scene/dialog explaining it stemming from concern of a spy amid the ranks (helping the imperials track them in the first place) was left out o the final movie cut…

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:40:12am

re: #149 Belafon

I like the movie for lots of reasons, but her character was there to go to hyperspace lightspeed
through another ship.

Edit: Got the terminology wrong for the universe.

Yes, and it could have easily been someone else. I think Dern pulled some strings to get the part, and the higher-ups demanded her role be injected into the script. She just seemed so out of place, as Poe himself remarked. OTOH, she played the role of a military commander very well.

In terms of the physics involved, a ship going “lightspeed” would have atomized the imperial destroyer, not just cut it in two. But vaporizing several main characters would kind of end the movie right there.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:41:05am

re: #167 Ace-o-aces

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left and right: a broad interpretation of the 2nd amendment with draconian consequences for failure to control your weapons at all times

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:45:52am

I’ve always suspected that, of all the GOPers, she was the one who’d be most likely to vote “no” (of course, whether that actually happens remains to be seen, but make of this what you will):

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:49:59am

re: #173 dangerman

left and right: a broad interpretation of the 2nd amendment with draconian consequences for failure to control your weapons at all times

So guns ok, but if you say leave them loaded around kids, see ya later guns? My position with guns is this: I’m fine with a handgun, shotgun, or rifle for home protection, hunting, recreational shooting, but I lose it when I see someone need a fucking arsenal that rivals a platoon’s. I also don’t believe in open carry and I believe businesses have a right to ban guns from their premises and I believe they in fact should be banned from all places of business for the most part. I’m more sympathetic to closed carry as long as you prove you don’t have a history of violence towards yourself or others. I want us to look at what’s worked in other countries where personal gun ownership remains high but gun violence remains low.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:53:01am

re: #165 Sufficient unto the day…

I liked the event and her plan, but…my problem was the “I’ve got a plan and I’m not telling anyone until it makes the hero mutiny against me” thing.

Umm…why was that a thing?

Just a little subplot development, if you ask me. She stonewalls Poe. Finn and Rose work up some crackbrained idea to disable the tracking device — once again the Empire has a single point of failure in a key military weapon. Poe greenlights the Finn/Rose venture — just hop on over to some weirdo casino planet to find some dude with a brooch, but instead get jailed, meet another more crooked codebreaker, free the hapless animals, wreck the joint, and escape only to be captured *again* and then find out that the codebreaker sold them out. Meanwhile Poe finds out they didn’t need to set off on the crackbrained mission in the first place.

Just padding for an already full script. If the Admiral had explained her plan, then Finn and Rose couldn’t free the cute animals and inspire some slave kids to be future rebels.

Also, why can’t a fully functional imperial destroyer catch up to a sputtering rebel ship?

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:58:03am

Also, Kylo Ren is the Danny Rand (season 1) of the Star Wars/Disney universe. He’s like Emo Darth Vader.

If he and Rey hook up, I will puke. Poe’s a better choice — for her, I mean.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:58:55am

re: #173 dangerman

left and right: a broad interpretation of the 2nd amendment with draconian consequences for failure to control your weapons at all times

Make everybody who wants to own a gun join a well-regulated militia

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:59:23am

re: #177 wheat-dogg

Also, Kylo Ren is the Danny Rand (season 1) of the Star Wars/Disney universe. He’s like Emo Darth Vader.

If he and Rey hook up, I will puke. Poe’s a better choice — for her, I mean.

I think the point of it all is they can never hook up.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:59:44am

Unusual for many people, but this is how I first got into UB40:

808 State Vs UB40 - One In Ten (ZANG 35)

Chalk it up to my love of 808 State as a raver kid I suppose lol

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:59:53am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Make everybody who wants to own a gun join a well-regulated militia

Sounds like conscription. It would never fly, especially during peacetime.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:02:16am

re: #179 Belafon

I think the point of it all is they can never hook up.

The Dark and the Light, as it were. Yeah, probably would be a bad thing for all involved. She’s certainly stopped returning his calls, at least.

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:05:58am

Left and right: 2nd amendment - a very expansive view of what is allowed to psych and skill tested license holders.

Left: abolish property taxes and use progressive income tax on individuals and corporations to fund schools.

Right: Free trade is better than the alternative.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:10:02am

re: #174 Interesting Times

FWIW: There was a report on CNN this morning about Murkowski’s support from indigenous people. A reporter was speaking to a group and all said if she voted to confirm she would lose their support. One woman pointed out that the rate of sexual assault among indigenous tribal people is far higher than the norm, and that Murkowski knows this about Alaska. They (the extremely small group) seemed confident she will vote no.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:10:23am

re: #183 William Lewis

Left and right: 2nd amendment - a very expansive view of what is allowed to psych and skill tested license holders.

Left: abolish property taxes and use progressive income tax on individuals and corporations to fund schools.

Right: Free trade is better than the alternative.

I used to be much more protectionist on trade but I’ve been seeing the importance of trade deals in building up relationships with other nation states. I hate seeing people lose their jobs but the solution isn’t a return to the past, it’s preparing those who lose their jobs for the future.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:10:44am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I used to be much more protectionist on trade but I’ve been seeing the importance of trade deals in building up relationships with other nation states. I hate seeing people lose their jobs but the solution isn’t a return to the past, it’s preparing those who lose their jobs for the future.

Nordic capitalism is the way to go.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:13:11am

re: #186 electrotek

Nordic capitalism is the way to go.

I like what’s worked there but I don’t know if it’d work in a nation our size and diversity. I’m more interested in Germany and the UK as models since they’re more larger and diverse. I really think part of the reason why the consensus on the social programs in the Nordics worked is because the right there wasn’t able to use “others” to stroke opposition against it. I think we had the right idea in the 60’s with the Great Society. That unfortunately got stuck in the mud when LBJ got boggled down in Nam.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:13:31am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I used to be much more protectionist on trade but I’ve been seeing the importance of trade deals in building up relationships with other nation states. I hate seeing people lose their jobs but the solution isn’t a return to the past, it’s preparing those who lose their jobs for the future.

If we are going to compete with other nations on productivity and even on wages, that is fine, but if these nations have lax environmental, health and safety regulations, then there is no way we can keep up with them, no matter how smart and efficiently we work.

And we give them no incentive to clean up their act, either, which damages workers on both sides of the trade deal.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:14:39am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we are going to compete with other nations on productivity and even on wages, that is fine, but if these nations have lax environmental, health and safety regulations, then there is no way we can keep up with them, no matter how smart and efficiently we work.

And we give them no incentive to clean up their act, either, which damages workers on both sides of the trade deal.

Isn’t that what the TTIP deal was supposed to address originally?

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:16:00am

re: #183 William Lewis

Left and right: 2nd amendment - a very expansive view of what is allowed to psych and skill tested license holders.

Left: abolish property taxes and use progressive income tax on individuals and corporations to fund schools.

Right: Free trade is better than the alternative.

I just read the chapter in Woodward’s Fear about the split in the White House between the tariff hawks, led by Navarro, and the “globalists,” led by Cohn and Porter and most of the nation’s economists. Navarro wins the day because, as Woodward explains, Trump imagines the US economy can return to the old days of manufacturing and mining courtesy of his Magic Tariffs. Cohn unsuccessfully tries to convince Trump that 80% of the US economy is in the service industries, and free trade actually benefits the economy by giving those workers inexpensive goods to buy. But Crabby Grandpa refuses to change his mind.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:17:32am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we are going to compete with other nations on productivity and even on wages, that is fine, but if these nations have lax environmental, health and safety regulations, then there is no way we can keep up with them, no matter how smart and efficiently we work.

And we give them no incentive to clean up their act, either, which damages workers on both sides of the trade deal.

We definitely need things like incentives to pay workers fairly and have environmental and other regulations.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:17:49am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

TBH I don’t think Kavanaugh belongs to AA, because he’s apparently never faced up to his drinking problems.

Yep. His continued paean to beer should give those Senators supporting him a real pause. They may not care about his behavior as a young man or his lies, but they should realize that he appears to have drinking problems. If he had actually joined AA and remained a member in good standing, he could no longer indulge in beer. Kavanaugh is unfit to serve on the SC, but that won’t stop McConnell trying to place him there.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:19:01am

re: #190 wheat-dogg

I just read the chapter in Woodward’s Fear about the split in the White House between the tariff hawks, led by Navarro, and the “globalists,” led by Cohn and Porter and most of the nation’s economists. Navarro wins the day because, as Woodward explains, Trump imagines the US economy can return to the old days of manufacturing and mining courtesy of his Magic Tariffs. Cohn unsuccessfully tries to convince Trump that 80% of the US economy is in the service industries, and free trade actually benefits the economy by giving those workers inexpensive goods to buy. But Crabby Grandpa refuses to change his mind.

Trump talks about the Pittsburgh that my great grandparents emigrated to rather than the Pittsburgh their descendants (my dad’s cousins and their family) live in. That’s how I see it in the most pure abstract way. There was a time and place for that industrialization.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:19:08am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

We definitely need things like incentives to pay workers fairly and have environmental and other regulations.

those are called “tariffs”, and should be linked to their level of environmental, health and safety protection

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:20:08am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

those are called “tariffs”, and should be linked to their level of environmental, health and safety protection

Right. I didn’t say there should be no stipulations with trade just that protectionism ala Trump is bad for all involved.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:20:09am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

So guns ok, but if you say leave them loaded around kids, see ya later guns? My position with guns is this: I’m fine with a handgun, shotgun, or rifle for home protection, hunting, recreational shooting, but I lose it when I see someone need a fucking arsenal that rivals a platoon’s. I also don’t believe in open carry and I believe businesses have a right to ban guns from their premises and I believe they in fact should be banned from all places of business for the most part. I’m more sympathetic to closed carry as long as you prove you don’t have a history of violence towards yourself or others. I want us to look at what’s worked in other countries where personal gun ownership remains high but gun violence remains low.

without going too far down this rabbit hole today, i think most of what you say fits in a broad interpretation. there are so many moving parts to this issue

- everyone is law abiding till they’re not
- continuing to plug the last new hole in the dike made by the last shooter is not a long term solution
- good gun behavior ‘should’ not be legislated - ie safes, insurance, recurrent training
- screw up in any way and be prepared to lose your freedom, finances, future and 2a rights
- i think it gets ‘difficult’ when we start to pass judgement on ‘why’. why someone else needs or wants one or a hundred guns. if held and stored responsibly i dont care why.
- i personally think open carry is nuts
- wrt businesses, i think private property rules
- there will never be registrations or databases
- whether you are an individual or dealer, you should be responsible for who you sell, lend or give your gun to. if you dont use reasonable care in evaluating that person, you should be responsible for what they do (within a period of time)

i have said over and over that if there were strict laws of consequence for bad behavior a great dent could be made in the carnage and in weeding out the most irresponsible

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:20:53am

re: #136 wheat-dogg

Donna Strickland, a laser researcher in Canada, is one of the co-winners of the Nobel Prize in Physics.

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The Nobel Committee decided it couldn’t wait for her to die before it issued this award. After all, hasn’t that been its standard practice?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:21:05am

re: #196 dangerman

without going too far down this rabbit hole today, i think most of what you say fits in a broad interpretation. there are so many moving parts to this issue

- everyone is law abiding till they’re not
- continuing to plug the last new hole in the dike made by the last shooter is not a long term solution
- good gun behavior ‘should’ not be legislated - ie safes, insurance, recurrent training
- screw up in any way and be prepared to lose your freedom, finances, future and 2a rights
- i think it gets ‘difficult’ when we start to pass judgement on ‘why’. why someone else needs or wants one or a hundred guns. if held and stored responsibly i dont care why.
- i personally think open carry is nuts
- wrt businesses, i think private property rules
- there will never be registrations or databases
- whether you are an individual or dealer, you should be responsible for who you sell, lend or give your gun to. if you dont use reasonable care in evaluating that person, you should be responsible for what they do (within a period of time)

i have said over and over that if there were strict laws of consequence for bad behavior a great dent could be made in the carnage and in weeding out the most irresponsible

I’d be in favor of a national database but I know that would never ever fly here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:21:05am

“Free Trade” basically gives us cheap consumer goods, but the only jobs it gives us are minimum-wage, benefits-free part-time jobs working at the Wal-Mart stocking the things we import…

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:21:33am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Make everybody who wants to own a gun join a well-regulated militia

even less

- control your gun(s) all all times
- face real consequences to your freedom, future, and finances if you don’t

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:21:52am

re: #186 electrotek

Nordic capitalism is the way to go.

Capitalism with a Socialist heart.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:22:37am

re: #201 William Lewis

Capitalism with a Socialist heart.

We have been sold on the equation that Socialism = Venezuela and that is a matter of RWNJ doctrine these days

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:22:44am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Trump talks about the Pittsburgh that my great grandparents emigrated to rather than the Pittsburgh their descendants (my dad’s cousins and their family) live in. That’s how I see it in the most pure abstract way. There was a time and place for that industrialization.

Trump clearly believes tariffs are a tax or penalty on the foreign suppliers. He cannot fathom that tariffs add to the costs Americans pay for the imported goods they buy. He is that dense.

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:26:00am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I like what’s worked there but I don’t know if it’d work in a nation our size and diversity. I’m more interested in Germany and the UK as models since they’re more larger and diverse. I really think part of the reason why the consensus on the social programs in the Nordics worked is because the right there wasn’t able to use “others” to stroke opposition against it. I think we had the right idea in the 60’s with the Great Society. That unfortunately got stuck in the mud when LBJ got boggled down in Nam.

Yes, but most of the “Nordics” developed their social-democratic economies back in the days when there really weren’t any “others” in their societies at large (though people seem to be able to find differences to exploit for prejudice pretty much everywhere: I read someplace, once about some border area in Norway where there was parochial suspicion about a local “minority” who lived in certain villages”: said “minority” were Swedes)
That’s all changed now that there ARE actually populations of “others” there

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:31:17am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I’d be in favor of a national database but I know that would never ever fly here.

right

what we do need is a national no-gun database like the ‘no fly’ one

anyone - dealer or individual must be able to voluntarily check who is not allowed to possess a gun

this to me is a no brainer. everyone agrees some people arent allowed to have guns. i cant tell by looking at you. if everyone cant check out who they are selling to, then what’s the point of any of it (i know i know) background checking is a different issue.

there should be reasonably quick due process to get off the list if you don’t belong - ie identity problems

it infringes on no one’s right to bear arms except that rare individual who owns no guns and absolutely must have one right away today for …i dont know what (yes i know what they’ll say)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:33:34am

re: #204 Jay C

Yes, but most of the “Nordics” developed their social-democratic economies back in the days when there really weren’t any “others” in their societies at large (though people seem to be able to find differences to exploit for prejudice pretty much everywhere: I read someplace, once about some border area in Norway where there was parochial suspicion about a local “minority” who lived in certain villages”: said “minority” were Swedes)
That’s all changed now that there ARE actually populations of “others” there

True and that’s why you’re seeing a backlash there IMO much like you did here when LBJ dared to say the New Deal should be a Great Society for all Americans regardless of their color.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:34:36am

re: #201 William Lewis

Capitalism with a Socialist heart.

Sorta like Dubcek’s socialism with a human face. I like yours. Capitalism has become the same monster Communism did where its proponents only care about their theories and less about the man and woman on the ground.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:43:52am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Sorta like Dubcek’s socialism with a human face. I like yours. Capitalism has become the same monster Communism did where its proponents only care about their theories and less about the man and woman on the ground.

Capitalism had to at least appear a bit humane when it had Socialism to compete with as a world ideology. With the demise of its chief adversary, it has all but abandoned all but its most predatory and vicious aspects.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:45:35am

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Capitalism had to at least appear a bit humane when it had Socialism to compete with as a world ideology. With the demise of its chief adversary, it has all but abandoned all but its most predatory and vicious aspects.

I think that is what happened here unfortunately. Ironic isn’t it? Capitalism returned to its most base and worse form without a competing ideology. And capitalism at its core is about allowing for competition in the market, in this case the market of ideas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:48:07am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

I think that is what happened here unfortunately. Ironic isn’t it? Capitalism returned to its most base and worse form without a competing ideology. And capitalism at its core is about allowing for competition in the market, in this case the market of ideas.

But our Vienna school “Free Market” ideologues are all about abolishing any market controls to allow the major players to corner the market and shut down any and all competition.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:52:02am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But our Vienna school “Free Market” ideologues are all about abolishing any market controls to allow the major players to corner the market and shut down any and all competition.

Yep, that’s why I’m a Frankfurter. I also subscribe to Keynes because Keynes was all about real life data instead of theories. That’s why the Von Mises and Viennese fail. Theory is great when you’re coming up with an idea but social sciences like economics must take in to account the social of social science, that we’re dealing with society and real people.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:52:45am

That wattle-necked motherfucker should be in prison.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:54:25am

re: #212 makeitstop

That wattle-necked motherfucker should be in prison.

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There’s a special place for McConnell in his role in this whole bloody mess.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:55:54am

Midnight here, and I’m going to bed. See you in a while, folks!

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:56:36am

re: #212 makeitstop

That wattle-necked motherfucker should be in prison.

That was one topic of this morning’s discussion over coffee at home.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:57:19am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

There’s a special place for McConnell in his role in this whole bloody mess.

i am an athiest in heart and nature, if not upbringing and culture

even if there were such a place i would never condemn anyone to hell for all time

my wish for mcconnell and anyone else, any time it’s necessary is a small comfortable corner of heaven where he is eternally polishing my harley

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:58:32am

re: #216 dangerman

i am an athiest in heart and nature, if not upbringing and culture

even if there were such a place i would never condemn anyone to hell for all time

my wish for mcconnell and anyone else, any time it’s necessary is a small comfortable corner of heaven where he is eternally polishing my harley

Well when you put it that way lol, I was actually talking about being remembered the same way Benedict Arnold or John Wilkes Booth are remembered in our historiography but Mitch can polish your Harley any day but can we get Trump to polish my Uncle’s?

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:03:40am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Well when you put it that way lol, I was actually talking about being remembered the same way Benedict Arnold or John Wilkes Booth are remembered in our historiography but Mitch can polish your Harley any day but can we get Trump to polish my Uncle’s?

i am certain that history will not be kind to this lot

lots of evil people
lots of harleys need attention. enough to go around
(it’ll boost sales, counteract the tariffs, yeah right)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:04:52am

re: #218 dangerman

i am certain that history will not be kind to this lot

lots of evil people
lots of harleys need attention. enough to go around
(it’ll boost sales, counteract the tariffs, yeah right)

Haha yeah. That’s for sure. Didn’t know you rode. Dad’s big brother has been riding for over 50 years now. Definitely not your stereotypical biker.

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:11:51am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

There’s a special place for McConnell in his role in this whole bloody mess.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that (for the near future, anyway) that “special place” is going to be a chair on a set with Fox News talking-heads; bitching and moaning about how those mean Senate Democrats are running their leftist jackboots all over the sacred Senate traditions of “bipartisanship” and “comity”, and how awful they are to the poor, put-upon Minority Leader…

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:12:20am

Is the Kavanaugh fight he started in the bar going to be one of the actual factual things that will help stop his nomination?

It is only a few years removed from the allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford, and it certainly shows both his heavy drinking and hair-trigger temper.

And it is backed by a police report, an actual fact . Facts that have so far been hard to come by since so much happened so long ago.

It also shows that his friend Chris Dudley was and still remains one of his image protectors back then and even now by lying.

It really shoots down so many of the Republican arguments about his temper and character.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:15:35am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:18:02am

re: #190 wheat-dogg

I just read the chapter in Woodward’s Fear about the split in the White House between the tariff hawks, led by Navarro, and the “globalists,” led by Cohn and Porter and most of the nation’s economists. Navarro wins the day because, as Woodward explains, Trump imagines the US economy can return to the old days of manufacturing and mining courtesy of his Magic Tariffs. Cohn unsuccessfully tries to convince Trump that 80% of the US economy is in the service industries, and free trade actually benefits the economy by giving those workers inexpensive goods to buy. But Crabby Grandpa refuses to change his mind.

The problem is that people have not evolved to live in a world of such rapid change. Trump and his cult want to live in the world of the imagined 1950’s, not the real 1950’s; a world where white men ruled supreme and where women did not want to or need to work outside the home.

The Industrial Revolution upended society and the technological revolution is forcing even more rapid change, but our current government is run by unadaptable men mired in the past, who understand nothing of the modern world at all.

As I get on my soapbox — no one, not even the geniuses (Jeff Bezos, Zuckerburg, etc) who created this new world, have figured out what economic structure will work in a world where almost everything can be manufactured by machine with only a few human attendants, where one can be situated anywhere in the world and provide services to any other place, where it takes less time to travel half way around the world today than for our Founding Fathers to travel 200 miles, where our world’s survival is threatened by environmental catastrophe.

Capitalism was designed for a different world — it has run its course. We need a new system that can prosper in the new world.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:18:24am

re: #221 ObserverArt

Is the Kavanaugh fight he started in the bar going to be one of the actual factual things that will help stop his nomination?

It is only a few years removed from the allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford, and it certainly shows both his heavy drinking and hair-trigger temper.

And it is backed by a police report, an actual fact . Facts that have so far been hard to come by since so much happened so long ago.

It also shows that his friend Chris Dudley was and still remains one of his image protectors back then and even now by lying.

It really shoots down so many of the Republican arguments about his temper and character.

The funniest comment I read about Dudley being involved was something along the lines of ‘Well, at least if he threw something, chances are pretty good he missed.’

(Duds was a Knick for a while, and I used to visibly cringe every time he went to the free throw line.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:21:50am

re: #212 makeitstop

That wattle-necked motherfucker should be in prison.

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McConnell is as much a traitor as Trump. Is there any member of the GOP in the House or the Senate who is not owned by Russia?

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:28:53am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Haha yeah. That’s for sure. Didn’t know you rode. Dad’s big brother has been riding for over 50 years now. Definitely not your stereotypical biker.

‘only’ 38 years or so ;-)

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:29:54am

re: #221 ObserverArt

Is the Kavanaugh fight he started in the bar going to be one of the actual factual things that will help stop his nomination?

It is only a few years removed from the allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford, and it certainly shows both his heavy drinking and hair-trigger temper.

And it is backed by a police report, an actual fact . Facts that have so far been hard to come by since so much happened so long ago.

It also shows that his friend Chris Dudley was and still remains one of his image protectors back then and even now by lying.

It really shoots down so many of the Republican arguments about his temper and character.

they are poised to brush anything and everything aside except possibly an actual smoking gun

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retired cynic  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:31:52am

re: #63 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Another aspect of the over-exploitation that needs to be mentioned is the Ogallala Aquifer. Once it is depleted, that prime farmland is going to be much less productive. I don’t recall who said his farm’s water table is much lower now than in the past, but water is becoming a scarcening (that really should be a word; ok, it is a word. Siri is a moron, also, water is wet) resource in the plains land. It’s not a serious problem yet, but it will be in the future.

That may have been me, just this week. An area where the water table was always near the surface (within 6 feet, say) had a deep (20+ feet) hole dug a few days ago, and it was dry to the bottom. Scary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:32:58am

re: #227 dangerman

they are poised to brush anything and everything aside except possibly an actual smoking gun

I see it as a calculation: if they back down on Kavanaugh, they lose face among their supporters and lose vital support. For good. These people know how to hold a grudge.

They know that supporting BK will also cost them support from the rest of the electorate, but at least they get their man in. For Life.

They figure that the rest of the electorate are fickle and have short memories and can be won back in subsequent elections.

They are prepared to take their chances.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:39:07am

re: #227 dangerman

they are poised to brush anything and everything aside except possibly an actual smoking gun

Anything Kavanaugh did while in school is the “boys will be boys” argument; his appalling attitude during the Ken Starr investigation is considered fine because it was targeting the dastardly Clintons, his actions during the Bush WH are hidden under executive privilege, his lies during his first nomination don’t trouble the Republicans at all nor does his continuing dishonesty during the current hearings, his deplorable decisions as judge are irrelevant since they actually don’t differ from those of any Federalist Society hack — so what can he actually have done that would get Republicans to halt this nomination?

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Kilroy was here  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:42:04am
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calochortus  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:43:14am

re: #227 dangerman

they are poised to brush anything and everything aside except possibly an actual smoking gun

Notice how GOPers are going on about “youthful misbehavior” and completely ignoring that he has lied about it as SCOTUS nominee.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:46:29am

re: #231 Kilroy was here

Why do comedians have to do the news?

Because nine times out of ten, the media won’t.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:47:03am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I see it as a calculation: if they back down on Kavanaugh, they lose face among their supporters and lose vital support. For good. These people know how to hold a grudge.

They know that supporting BK will also cost them support from the rest of the electorate, but at least they get their man in. For Life.

They figure that the rest of the electorate are fickle and have short memories and can be won back in subsequent elections.

They are prepared to take their chances.

it certainly is a calculation
theres also the problem that they had no B plan and they’ve now run out of options. BK is the only horse left (again short of an actual smoking gun which might just be too much )

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:47:24am

Waiting for delivery of a new guitar today, and the UPS guy is taking his sweet time.

Don’t they know they’re supposed to come here first when there’s gear involved??

//

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:49:07am

re: #232 calochortus

Notice how GOPers are going on about “youthful misbehavior” and completely ignoring that he has lied about it as SCOTUS nominee.

they have put everything already behind them except this one issue

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BlueGrl21  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:49:20am

Read an article today about how college-educated white women are bailing on the Republican party in droves and everything that is happening with Kavanaugh is just putting the nails in the coffin. But non-college educated white women are sticking with the Republicans/Trump and not budging. I know, I know, MAGA, but why MAGA?

This article postulated that college educated women are competing with men for jobs in the same arena. We’re more likely to see discrimination and be impacted by it. Non-college educated women tend to get pushed into jobs that are traditionally female, like home health care. So they’re not competing with men on their terms, they’re competing against other women.

Educated white women are also much less likely to be Evangelicals. And 30% of that white woman conservative vote is Evangelical.

There are so many reasons white women vote against their own self-interests. But more and more of us are peeling off or deciding to engage that weren’t involved before.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:49:49am

re: #167 Ace-o-aces

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Most libertarian: legalize drugs and prostitution

Most authoritarian: regulate the fuck out of the banks

Most liberal/progressive: universal health care, preferably a public option, that covers everything from abortion to laser eye surgery to transition to x-rays

Most conservative: free trade

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:53:05am

re: #177 wheat-dogg

Also, Kylo Ren is the Danny Rand (season 1) of the Star Wars/Disney universe. He’s like Emo Darth Vader.

If he and Rey hook up, I will puke. Poe’s a better choice — for her, I mean.

They did a terrible job with Kylo Ren, and they probably should have borrowed more from the now non-canon legends stories for the Skywalker family post Return of the Jedi.

But really, all I want is for Ahsoka Tano to show up in the next movie.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:54:13am

Trump Has Tried, But Failed, to Get Rich from Presidency

“Much as he’s trying—and he’s definitely trying—Donald Trump is not getting richer off the presidency. Just the opposite. His net worth, by our calculation, has dropped from $4.5 billion in 2015 to $3.1 billion the last two years, knocking the president 138 spots lower on the latest The Forbes 400 (which will be published in full tomorrow).”

wouldnt want to be within 500 miles ….

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:55:27am

re: #240 dangerman

Trump Has Tried, But Failed, to Get Rich from Presidency

wouldnt want to be within 500 miles ….

On the other hand, his supporters will view this as showing how he is sacrificing for us.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2018 • 9:56:51am

re: #237 BlueGrl21

There are so many reasons white women vote against their own self-interests. But more and more of us are peeling off or deciding to engage that weren’t involved before.

Did you see this poll I posted the other day?

I’m also going to hazard a guess that non-college whites are:

a) more likely to see POC as a threat/competition
b) have misogynistic “boys will be boys” and victim-blaming attitudes

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:01:42am

re: #242 Interesting Times

Did you see this poll I posted the other day?

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I’m also going to hazard a guess that non-college whites are:

a) more likely to see POC as a threat/competition
b) have misogynistic “boys will be boys” and victim-blaming attitudes

The White education gap is terrifying. 20 point swing between college educated and non-college educated, causing that overall 40/50 split.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:05:26am

re: #243 KGxvi

The White education gap is terrifying. 20 point swing between college educated and non-college educated, causing that overall 40/50 split.

I saw that too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:08:34am

oh…

Cheri Jacobus says she was subjected to a campaign of online harassment and sabotage after a public fight with the president and one of his top advisers.

Federal law enforcement officials have referred a 2-year-old email hacking investigation to special counsel Robert Mueller, according to the Republican operative who was the target of the hack.

The referral adds yet another dimension to the special counsel’s sprawling probe, even as some of President Donald Trump’s allies portray Mueller’s work as nearing its conclusion.

The operative and Trump critic, Cheri Jacobus, told POLITICO that FBI agents in the bureau’s cyber division informed her in September that they had forwarded their investigation to Mueller because the matter came to exceed the bounds of computer intrusion, the crime that had been the initial focus of the investigation.

It is not clear what led the FBI to conclude that Mueller has jurisdiction over the matter. The special counsel has been investigating Russian election meddling, links between Trump’s campaign and the Kremlin, and other suspected wrongdoing, including undisclosed lobbying by foreign governments. Both the FBI’s press office and a spokesman for the special counsel’s office declined to comment. Jacobus said she has not had contact with Mueller’s team.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:09:41am
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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:10:27am

re: #241 calochortus

On the other hand, his supporters will view this as showing how he is sacrificing for us.

Right. Not cause he’s in fact a lousy businessman

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:10:36am

*SPIT*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:11:44am
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:12:55am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

He’s trying to make it happen by saying it over and over.

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:14:28am

re: #250 Belafon

He’s trying to make it happen by saying it over and over.

As has been his habit. He makes a lot of firm statements. Some are true, some aren’t.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:14:34am
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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:14:52am

re: #250 Belafon

He’s trying to make it happen by saying it over and over.

He’s probably going to wait until the very minute the FBI announces it’s done its investigation and try to rush through a vote before anyone gets a chance to see the report.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:16:01am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is where you need a heckler in the pavilion to shut “AND HE WILL LOSE!”

As a matter of fact, the pavilion should be open for just that reason. If we’re going to turn politics into professional wrestling, then let’s let the audience become a part of the show. I imagine it being something like this (skip to about 1:15)

The Seattle crowd boos Kevin Owens and Elias into oblivion: Raw, Oct. 1, 2018

Edit: to get a better spot on the video

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:17:59am

re: #253 makeitstop

He’s probably going to wait until the very minute the FBI announces it’s done its investigation and try to rush through a vote before anyone gets a chance to see the report.

I’m sure he’s hoping to do that. The question is whether Murkowski and Flake will go for that. I’m guessing they might not. No one can possibly predict what the hell Flake will do in the end, but I don’t see him voting yes before anything has been released.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:21:33am

re: #253 makeitstop

He’s probably going to wait until the very minute the FBI announces it’s done its investigation and try to rush through a vote before anyone gets a chance to see the report.

Then we’re going to have that dumb argument we need time to actually you know read it

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:21:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:22:12am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The Senate will vote on Judge Kavanaugh, here on this floor, this week.”

and they will confirm him and we will move onto the next embarrassing, soul-stifling spectacle

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:22:56am

don’e forget that this happens tomorrow:

I am amused that the moron-in-chief is not mentioned

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:23:13am

re: #257 gocart mozart

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Kenya went up?

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:23:18am

I think I’ve obsessed about politics enough for one morning. Besides, the kitchen does not appear to be cleaning itself.
BBL

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:24:11am
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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:25:15am
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retired cynic  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:25:34am

Larry Summers is on Here and Now today, on NPR. Good talk.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:25:40am

re: #262 gocart mozart

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Kanye:. Crackpot. Shoo

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:25:50am

re: #263 gocart mozart

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Grassley is such a damn liar.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:25:55am

re: #241 calochortus

On the other hand, his supporters will view this as showing how he is sacrificing for us.

The only sacrifice I want Trump involved in is to appease the volcano god.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:26:43am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

“this week month year.”

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BlueGrl21  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:27:54am

re: #242 Interesting Times

The place they’ve started seeing movement is college educated white women due to Dr. Ford. They’re shifting left. I chalk it up to seeing someone that looks like them being treated the way Dr. Ford was treated. A smack in the face to female white privilege. “Those things don’t happen to women like me.” Uh. Yes. They do.

Plus, don’t discount how many of those women have stories from those drunken parties that they’ve kept inside for all of these years.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:28:16am

re: #243 KGxvi

The White education gap is terrifying. 20 point swing between college educated and non-college educated, causing that overall 40/50 split.

Exactly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:29:29am

re: #269 BlueGrl21

Plus, don’t discount how many of those women have stories from those drunken parties that they’ve kept inside for all of these years.

And the message that whatever happened to them was somehow their fault for simply being there at all in the first place.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:30:36am

re: #270 BlueGrl21

Exactly.

It’s also the same thing that kept Trump from being landslided. Non college educated white Men seem to have no desire to introspect.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:31:52am

from the hill

President Trump said the controversy surrounding Brett Kavaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court shows it is a “scary” time for young men, The Hill reports.

“It is a scary time for young men in America. You can be accused before you prove your innocence.

the president is a fucking moran*

(the only word i can use that isnt derogatory (except to that one bozo who wrote the sign)

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:32:02am

re: #269 BlueGrl21

The place they’ve started seeing movement is college educated white women due to Dr. Ford. They’re shifting left. I chalk it up to seeing someone that looks like them being treated the way Dr. Ford was treated. A smack in the face to female white privilege. “Those things don’t happen to women like me.” Uh. Yes. They do.

Plus, don’t discount how many of those women have stories from those drunken parties that they’ve kept inside for all of these years.

The question is whether this is going to lead to a true realignment, or if this is an anomaly of the Trump Era.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:34:41am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:36:49am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:38:09am

re: #275 jaunte

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There’s drinking and then there’s drinking like Kavanaugh did and Senator Klobuchar’s Father is a recovering alcoholic fwiw.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:38:59am

re: #250 Belafon

He’s trying to make it happen by saying it over and over.

I believe they will take the vote either way.Up or down they need to get this done so if he goes down the president can nominate Amy Coney Barrett and have enough time to get her confirmed during the lame duck session in case they lose the Senate.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:40:46am
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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:42:07am

re: #275 jaunte

There’s no such thing as a functional alcoholic. You’re either an alcoholic or you are not. A “functional alcoholic” is just someone who doesn’t want to admit they have a problem, and whose support group doesn’t want to admit they have a problem.

It is not someone who has a (as in one) beer or glass of wine with dinner. Or who goes out to a bar once or twice a week to hang out with friends/co-workers and has a couple of drinks during happy hour.

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:42:47am
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:43:04am

It’ s a very scary time for alcoholic young men in America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:43:05am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

There’s drinking and then there’s drinking like Kavanaugh did and Senator Klobuchar’s Father is a recovering alcoholic fwiw.

I recall evenings as an undergrad when I came home and lay down right on the floor because I knew I would fall out of the bed and did not want to hurt myself doing so.

But none of those evenings involved forcing myself sexually on women.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:43:24am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:43:27am

re: #273 dangerman

from the hill

the president is a fucking moran*

(the only word i can use that isnt derogatory (except to that one bozo who wrote the sign)

LOCK HER UP

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:43:56am

re: #280 KGxvi

There’s no such thing as a functional alcoholic. You’re either an alcoholic or you are not. A “functional alcoholic” is just someone who doesn’t want to admit they have a problem, and whose support group doesn’t want to admit they have a problem.

It is not someone who has a (as in one) beer or glass of wine with dinner. Or who goes out to a bar once or twice a week to hang out with friends/co-workers and has a couple of drinks during happy hour.

A “functional alcoholic” is one who can still hold down a job. That was my granddad…

theonion.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:47:18am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

It’s also the same thing that kept Trump from being landslided. Non college educated white Men seem to have no desire to introspect.

There are plenty of college-educated white men who supported Trump: Some who hated Hillary and are not full members of the Trump cult, others who worship the NRA or Netanyahu; but there are plenty of true cult members even among the educated. They love seeing a businessman in charge of the country and believe he has more insight than academics. Think of Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School — where the successful businessman lies and cheats his way through classes but also demonstrates to fellow students that he understands the real and corrupt world of business, unlike the professors who are guided by theory.

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:47:52am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

It’s also the same thing that kept Trump from being landslided. Non college educated white Men seem to have no desire to introspect.

Introspect? Naaah, introspection is for beta cuck liberal wussy soyboys: REAL MEN already know what’s going on with themselves, and are ALWAYS RIGHT!
And if not, it’s usually the bitch’s fault….
///
(note: this is sarcasm: unfortunately, it’s not really all that much exaggerated from what is - disgracefully - out there)

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:48:02am
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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:48:03am

Think this is a fair criticism still? If so, which Dem surrogates/office-holders do you think defy this description?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:49:26am

re: #287 Hecuba’s daughter

There are plenty of college-educated white men who supported Trump: Some who hated Hillary and are not full members of the Trump cult, others who worship the NRA or Netanyahu; but there are plenty of true cult members even among the educated. They love seeing a businessman in charge of the country and believe he has more insight than academics. Think of Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School — where the successful businessman lies and cheats his way through classes but also demonstrates to fellow students that he understands the real and corrupt world of business, unlike the professors who are guided by theory.

You’re missing what I said. I’m saying that the strong support for Trump among non college educated white men is what kept him from losing big. Of course, there are college educated white males who support him but they’re not why he’s president.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:49:41am

re: #289 wrenchwench

President Donald Trump: “It’s a very scary time for young men in America, when you can be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of.

this guy is not coherent

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:49:48am

re: #289 wrenchwench

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OFFS. Shut up.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:51:00am

Next, release the giant spiders.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:51:20am
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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:54:18am

Yertle might want to pump the brakes a little…

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:54:22am

The Rally-A-Day president

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:55:18am

@marshallk
Old EPA website: The equivalent of 25 chest x-rays or less can increase risk of cancer.

2018 EPA position: The equivalent of 25 chest x-rays or less has no impact on cancer; may actually be beneficial, like sunshine or exercise. Mitigation too costly.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:55:22am

re: #296 makeitstop

Yertle might want to pump the brakes a little…

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Be nice to see Yertle lose big on this.

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:58:49am

re: #290 Interesting Times

Think this is a fair criticism still? If so, which Dem surrogates/office-holders do you think defy this description?

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Ted Lieu.
Adam Schiff.
Maxine Waters.
John Dingell.
Kamala Harris.

It’s somewhat of a possibly reasonably fair criticism*, but the fundamental problem is that as far as the “MSM” is concerned, Democrats (no matter how large a Majority they might have) are systemically treated as an unrepresentative sidelight to “normal” (i.e. Republican) political alignments - the problem isn’t so much what Democrats say in the mainstream media; it’s getting them to say anything in the first place.

*equivocal enough?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 10:59:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:01:01am

re: #294 jaunte

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Next, release the giant spiders.

radiation is what gives one that healthy glow…

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:01:17am

re: #297 jaunte

Philly braces for President Trump, who will be speaking at the National Electrical Contractors Association’s annual convention shortly

The Rally-A-Day president

looks like they dont want to let him in

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:02:33am

re: #301 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

President Donald Trump: “It’s a very scary time for young men in America, when you can be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of.”

He is referring to a specific class of young men, namely young white men who like to attend parties, drink excessively and force themselves on unreceptive women

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:02:43am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trumpworld insiders have determined the secret to eliminating both deficits and taxes is to eliminate the excess non-millionaire population.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:03:08am

mrs dm, who is normal and doesnt slavishly follow politics or daily current events asked why it feels like it should be Friday

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:03:34am

Shit, he talked about throwing HRC in jail. He doesn’t get or deserve to hide behind due process. God I hate him and his enabling bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:03:53am

re: #306 dangerman

mrs dm, who is normal and doesnt slavishly follow politics or daily current events asked why it feels like it should be Friday

It can’t come soon enough. I need an edible or a smoke.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:05:27am
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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:05:46am

re: #300 Jay C

Ted Lieu.
Adam Schiff.
Maxine Waters.
John Dingell.
Kamala Harris.

It’s somewhat of a possibly reasonably fair criticism*, but the fundamental problem is that as far as the “MSM” is concerned, Democrats (no matter how large a Majority they might have) are systemically treated as an unrepresentative sidelight to “normal” (i.e. Republican) political alignments - the problem isn’t so much what Democrats say in the mainstream media; it’s getting them to say anything in the first place.

*equivocal enough?

I’ve been listening to the Wilderness from Jon Faverau at Crooked Media. The episode I listened to this morning was about, in large part, the consultant class of the Democratic Party. One of the contributors to the episode made the point that the veteran consultants and pollsters almost always hue their data and messaging to a mythical moderate white voter, regardless of what the actual voting data says. I think that’s often the case with the media as well. They haven’t caught up to the demographic shifts and still either think (or just want to believe) that the moderate white voter is still the one driving American politics.

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:05:52am

This link has more general information about the event. The one in the tweet is more about assistance being sought.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:05:58am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is referring to a specific class of young men, namely young white men who like to attend parties and force themselves on unreceptive women

If any decent person had been there when he said that, they’d be in the custody of the Secret Service. We have a President who’s upset that we’re working to dismantle a culture that supports rape.

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Alephnaught  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:06:51am

One for the geeks. Microsoft puts old MS-DOS code on GitHub.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:07:13am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is referring to a specific class of young men, namely young white men who like to attend parties and force themselves on unreceptive women

they are mad beause they are starting to see that they may no longer be able to get away with what they always have

clients: “we’ve always done this and never had a problem”
me: the countless times i’ve had to explain that just because you havent got caught doesnt mean what you’re doing is right or legal.

it means you havent got caught yet

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:08:13am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:08:41am

re: #313 Alephnaught

One for the geeks. Microsoft puts old MS-DOS code on GitHub.

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If we can get DesqView open-sourced, we don’t even need Windows to access 640K of RAM, which is all anyone needs.

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sagehen  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:09:36am

re: #280 KGxvi

There’s no such thing as a functional alcoholic. You’re either an alcoholic or you are not. A “functional alcoholic” is just someone who doesn’t want to admit they have a problem, and whose support group doesn’t want to admit they have a problem.

It is not someone who has a (as in one) beer or glass of wine with dinner. Or who goes out to a bar once or twice a week to hang out with friends/co-workers and has a couple of drinks during happy hour.

Sure there is.

A “functional alcoholic” is someone who’s managed, so far, to keep it from being obvious to co-workers, neighbors, casual acquaintances. Someone who drinks mostly at home; and if they do drink at work, it’s from that discreet flask when no one’s looking.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:10:10am

re: #310 KGxvi

I’ll add, what Lieu, Schiff, Dingell, Waters, and Harris have in common is that they are not the typical straight white person that the consultants think everything is geared around - except Schiff, who happens to represent a district that is 25% Hispanic, 14% Asian, and likely also includes a higher than average number of LGBTQ people, given it represents North Hollywood.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:10:59am

re: #314 dangerman

they are mad beause they are starting to see that they may no longer be able to get away with what they always have

clients: “we’ve always done this and never had a problem”
me: the countless times i’ve had to explain that just because you havent got caught doesnt mean what you’re doing is right or legal.

it means you havent got caught yet

It’s a bad moment for any organization when some new guy shows up and tells them that they’re supposed to spend money to comply with laws. They can no longer claim to be ignorant of the law.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:11:00am
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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:11:58am

re: #317 sagehen

Sure there is.

A “functional alcoholic” is someone who’s managed, so far, to keep it from being obvious to co-workers, neighbors, casual acquaintances. Someone who drinks mostly at home; and if they do drink at work, it’s from that discreet flask when no one’s looking.

Yeah, that’s still an alcoholic. Being an alcoholic is sort of like being pregnant - you either are or you’re not.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:12:44am

re: #315 gocart mozart

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God that was fucking awful. Somebody kill me already.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:13:02am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In fairness, there’s a difference between being in a bar fight and starting a bar fight.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:13:26am

re: #317 sagehen

Sure there is.

A “functional alcoholic” is someone who’s managed, so far, to keep it from being obvious to co-workers, neighbors, casual acquaintances. Someone who drinks mostly at home; and if they do drink at work, it’s from that discreet flask when no one’s looking.

I have a friend who drank himself unconscious every night, and went to work the next day, until he finally snapped and tried twice to kill himself one morning, failing both times.

He’s better now, living in a sane state where he can substitute cannabis as his substance of abuse.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:14:05am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:15:35am
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:15:53am

Deliberate lying is a Trumpian power play. “What are you gonna do about it?”

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:16:15am

re: #319 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a bad moment for any organization when some new guy shows up and tells them that they’re supposed to spend money to comply with laws. They can no longer claim to be ignorant of the law.

oh yeah “claim” is right because then it further breaks down into groups:

- we didnt know, now we do, thanks for telling us, we’ll do better
- yeah we’ve always known and we’ll never get caught
- yeah we know and we’ll take the risk if we get caught - ie we’ll argue we didnt do it or somehow the rules dont apply to us

the lengths people go through to not be honest

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:16:16am

still gonna vote “yes” aren’t you, Jeff?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:16:56am

re: #325 Charles Johnson

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To me the most absurd was the claims about Renata alumnus. Anyone who seriously believes that means they just saw her as a friend is stupid or lying to themselves big time.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:17:36am

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

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still gonna vote “yes” aren’t you, Jeff?

I’m really really hoping that he does the right thing here. It won’t erase all his bad votes but it would be the right thing to do.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:18:02am

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We can’t have that on the Court”

If only there was something you, Mr. Flake, a member of the United States Senate, could do about that… just a shame there’s nothing that can actually be done.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:18:26am

re: #321 KGxvi

Yeah, that’s still an alcoholic. Being an alcoholic is sort of like being pregnant - you either are or you’re not.

The word functional is an adjective, they are obviously still and alcoholic. I have 2 friends who are alcoholics. One of them gets about 4 drinks in and gets unsteady and starts slurring his words and is quite obvious. The other, unless you were watching him drink you would be hard pressed to realize he was drunk. With a sloppy drunk it is pretty obvious when you need to take their keys away, with a functional alcoholic you may not even know it is an issue. Not sure why the problem with the modifier, being more descriptive is generally a good thing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:18:56am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

To me the most absurd was the claims about Renata alumnus. Anyone who seriously believes that means they just saw her as a friend is stupid or lying to themselves big time.

That’s standard for the rubes who can be manipulated to vote for Republicans with the party insane.

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:19:00am

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

still gonna vote “yes” aren’t you, Jeff?

Yes, but with a thoughtful, concerned look on my face.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:19:33am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

I’m really really hoping that he does the right thing here. It won’t erase all his bad votes but it would be the right thing to do.

He will only do so if he knows there will still be enough votes to put BK through…in other words, not the right thing, just giving the appearance of doing so.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:19:45am

Howard Stern, of all people, mused this morning that Judge Rapey could be found lying under oath about “boofing”. Imagine the history books.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:19:45am

Heh, missed this last night:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:20:35am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

I’m really really hoping that he does the right thing here. It won’t erase all his bad votes but it would be the right thing to do.

He might do the right thing, but that’s a hard sell in Arizona. He doesn’t need to win office again, but he probably wants to be able to get along with the RWNJs at home.

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:20:35am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:20:58am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:21:01am

re: #296 makeitstop

Yertle might want to pump the brakes a little…

Shade.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:21:18am

re: #333 danarchy

The word functional is an adjective, they are obviously still and alcoholic. I have 2 friends who are alcoholics. One of them gets about 4 drinks in and gets unsteady and starts slurring his words and is quite obvious. The other, unless you were watching him drink you would be hard pressed to realize he was drunk. With a sloppy drunk it is pretty obvious when you need to take their keys away, with a functional alcoholic you may not even know it is an issue. Not sure why the problem with the modifier, being more descriptive is generally a good thing.

Because there’s a difference between someone who drinks and someone who is an alcoholic. Alcoholism is an addiction and pretending that people with addictions are fine because they’re somehow “functional” (when that’s basically a euphemism for “not sloppy”) is not helpful.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:23:25am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:23:48am
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sagehen  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:24:10am

re: #328 dangerman

oh yeah “claim” is right because then it further breaks down into groups:

- we didnt know, now we do, thanks for telling us, we’ll do better
- yeah we’ve always known and we’ll never get caught
- yeah we know and we’ll take the risk if we get caught - ie we’ll argue we didnt do it or somehow the rules dont apply to us

the lengths people go through to not be honest

And under a right-wing regulatory environment, it’s “even if we get caught, the fine is less than 1/10 the cost of fixing the problem, so it’s worth it.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:24:46am
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b.d.(soros funded)  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:25:53am

re: #344 Charles Johnson

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Eric Trump was recruited by the president to help silence Stormy Daniels’s allegations of an affair

And boy did he ever do a great job!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:26:27am

re: #347 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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They really are.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:26:32am

re: #343 KGxvi

Because there’s a difference between someone who drinks and someone who is an alcoholic. Alcoholism is an addiction and pretending that people with addictions are fine because they’re somehow “functional” (when that’s basically a euphemism for “not sloppy”) is not helpful.

It’s not a euphemism, it’s the actual term for an alcoholic who can manage to keep their life in order.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:27:05am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:27:07am

re: #348 b.d.(i like beer)

And boy did he ever do a great job!

He only hires the best people who are willing to work with a cult leader.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:27:29am

re: #343 KGxvi

Because there’s a difference between someone who drinks and someone who is an alcoholic. Alcoholism is an addiction and pretending that people with addictions are fine because they’re somehow “functional” (when that’s basically a euphemism for “not sloppy”) is not helpful.

Doesn’t the term just say that the person drinks to excess and is actually impaired most (all?) of the time but can fool the outsider who doesn’t know him. If Kavanaugh still drinks excessively and that becomes public knowledge, even McConnell would probably no longer support him. “Functional” basically just means the disguise works.

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Alephnaught  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:28:16am

re: #315 gocart mozart

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I saw this a couple of days ago, along with the comment “At last I’ve found my karaoke song!”, but I didn’t realise it’s gone viral.

I think the thing that makes this clip is that he stands around in a diffident manner, and goes “Tequila!” every so often. If this were a Glasgow karaoke, it’d be some middle-aged bloke doing some drunken dad-dance and bellowing “TAY-KEELARGH!!!” at the opportune moment, and probably other moments as well.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:28:29am

Pretty sure I’ve seen this episode

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:29:25am

re: #353 Hecuba’s daughter

Doesn’t the term just say that the person drinks to excess and is actually impaired most (all?) of the time but can fool the outsider who doesn’t know him. If Kavanaugh still drinks excessively and that becomes public knowledge, even McConnell would probably no longer support him. “Functional” basically just means the disguise works.

McConnell is going to support him no matter what.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:30:36am
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danarchy  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:30:50am

re: #343 KGxvi

Because there’s a difference between someone who drinks and someone who is an alcoholic. Alcoholism is an addiction and pretending that people with addictions are fine because they’re somehow “functional” (when that’s basically a euphemism for “not sloppy”) is not helpful.

Who is pretending that functional alcoholics are fine? It just means they are better at hiding their addiction. The word alcoholic is right there, but if I am dealing with someone who is an alcoholic but is really good at hiding it, that is useful information to know.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:32:26am

re: #315 gocart mozart

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Dying over here.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:32:35am

re: #321 KGxvi

Yeah, that’s still an alcoholic. Being an alcoholic is sort of like being pregnant - you either are or you’re not.

I got where you were going with that. My dad is an alcoholic. He can get himself up every morning, hold down a professional job well, and get home before he absolutely must have alcohol. He “functions.” But he’s still an alcoholic, still has all of the brain chemistry changes alcohol brings to an alcoholic, probably still has the liver damage (I know he has the stomach damage) of heavy drinking. He’s learned how to live with his disease but he’s still an alcoholic.

My husband’s mother died of liver damage due to her drinking. She held down a demanding job her whole life. She’d get home and hit the bourbon. Alcoholic.

So i get what you’re saying. Having the disease is binary.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:32:57am

re: #358 danarchy

Who is pretending that functional alcoholics are fine? It just means they are better at hiding their addiction. The word alcoholic is right there, but if I am dealing with someone who is an alcoholic but is really good at hiding it, that is useful information to know.

No one that I’m aware of. Functional alcoholics tend to crash and burn, and best case, harm their health.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:34:19am

re: #360 BlueGrl21

I got where you were going with that. My dad is an alcoholic. He can get himself up every morning, hold down a professional job well, and get home before he absolutely must have alcohol. He “functions.” But he’s still an alcoholic, still has all of the brain chemistry changes alcohol brings to an alcoholic, probably still has the liver damage (I know he has the stomach damage) of heavy drinking. He’s learned how to live with his disease but he’s still an alcoholic.

My husband’s mother died of liver damage due to her drinking. She held down a demanding job her whole life. She’d get home and hit the bourbon. Alcoholic.

So i get what you’re saying. Having the disease is binary.

We look at alcoholism as a disease, but it may just be a symptom of a diseased society where people can’t cope without self-medicating.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:34:26am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:34:55am

re: #344 Charles Johnson

This Stormy Daniels thing seems to be mushrooming out of control….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:36:14am

re: #364 Jay C

This Stormy Daniels thing seems to be mushrooming out of control….

Barf.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:39:41am
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BlueGrl21  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:40:10am

re: #362 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

We look at alcoholism as a disease, but it may just be a symptom of a diseased society where people can’t cope without self-medicating.

I get where you’re going, but it is a legitimate disease with specific brain and body chemistry changes and a genetic component. If you’re interested, read, “Under the Influence,” by James Robert Milam. I did a ton of research into all of this over the years I spent dealing with the vast swath of alcoholics in my family.

But i definitely agree with you that society is struggling with self-medication. I think in terms of addictions, people start using those things to self-medicate, even using it as a social lubricant is self-medication, and then some people get a switch flipped in their brains and turn into addicts. I avoid alcohol because I know what is in my family’s past and I’m not going to push it.

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Alephnaught  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:43:03am

re: #364 Jay C

This Stormy Daniels thing seems to be mushrooming out of control….

I see what you did there.

/////

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:43:04am

re: #341 Charles Johnson

One of the most outrageous and offensive things about Trump’s defense of Kavanaugh is how he’s lumping all men into the category of potential rapists.

he sees the world as exactly like him (except for the obvious ‘others’)
he lumps all men into the category of potential rapists because he is one

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:43:32am

re: #367 BlueGrl21

I get where you’re going, but it is a legitimate disease with specific brain and body chemistry changes and a genetic component. If you’re interested, read, “Under the Influence,” by James Robert Milam. I did a ton of research into all of this over the years I spent dealing with the vast swath of alcoholics in my family.

But i definitely agree with you that society is struggling with self-medication. I think in terms of addictions, people start using those things to self-medicate, even using it as a social lubricant is self-medication, and then some people get a switch flipped in their brains and turn into addicts. I avoid alcohol because I know what is in my family’s past and I’m not going to push it.

I choose other drugs because I’ve had friends and lovers who were alcoholics, and I behave poorly on the drug myself.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:43:40am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

You’re missing what I said. I’m saying that the strong support for Trump among non college educated white men is what kept him from losing. Of course, there are college educated white males who support him but they’re not why he’s president.

A lot of groups were responsible for the Trump victory. Yes, the non-college educated went for Trump by extremely wide margins but according to CNN exit polls, white college-educated men voted for Trump vs Clinton 54% to 39%. If this had been less lopsided — maybe a 5% advantage, Hillary would likely have won.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:43:48am

re: #343 KGxvi

Because there’s a difference between someone who drinks and someone who is an alcoholic. Alcoholism is an addiction and pretending that people with addictions are fine because they’re somehow “functional” (when that’s basically a euphemism for “not sloppy”) is not helpful.

I view “functional” as more of a comment on social functionality and not disease progression. A functional addict is still an addict, but is able to more or less successfully navigate the demands of their family and professional lives … until they decompensate and are no longer able to do so.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:44:06am

Ricin detected in mail sent to Pentagon

Two pieces of mail delivered to the Pentagon mail facility on Monday have initially tested positive for ricin, according to a US defense official.

The two suspicious envelopes were addressed to Secretary of Defense James Mattis and to Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral John Richardson, the official told CNN.
The mail facility is in a separate building on the grounds of the Pentagon and the piece of mail which tested positive never entered the Pentagon building.
All US Postal Service mail received at the Pentagon mail screening facility on Monday is currently under quarantine and poses no threat to Pentagon personnel, according to Pentagon spokesperson Col. Rob Manning.

Sounds like someone with a grudge against the Navy.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:44:28am

re: #346 sagehen

And under a right-wing regulatory environment, it’s “even if we get caught, the fine is less than 1/10 the cost of fixing the problem, so it’s worth it.”

thank you, yes. group #4

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:44:52am

re: #364 Jay C

This Stormy Daniels thing seems to be mushrooming out of control….

Again, I do not care what consenting adults do for fun in private on their own time, but when it involves hush payments that violate campaign law, then it becomes a matter of public interest…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:45:28am

re: #287 Hecuba’s daughter

There are plenty of college-educated white men who supported Trump: Some who hated Hillary and are not full members of the Trump cult, others who worship the NRA or Netanyahu; but there are plenty of true cult members even among the educated. They love seeing a businessman in charge of the country and believe he has more insight than academics. Think of Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School — where the successful businessman lies and cheats his way through classes but also demonstrates to fellow students that he understands the real and corrupt world of business, unlike the professors who are guided by theory.

Yep. As I’ve said before the main support for Trump in NH was in the wealthier suburbs of Manchester.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:46:15am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, I do not care what consenting adults do for fun in private on their own time, but when it involves hush payments that violate campaign law, then it becomes a matter of public interest…

To paraphrase Seth Meyers, our minds are not in the gutter, our minds are on the news, which is in the gutter.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:48:33am

re: #376 Barefoot Grin

Yep. As I’ve said before the main support for Trump in NH was in the wealthier suburbs of Manchester.

A friend is filling in in a band made up of privileged Chads and Bretts who live in big houses and drive the latest BMWs. They’re racist MAGAts. One even put a red cap on his amp, which my friend kicked to the ground whenever he wasn’t looking.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:50:08am

re: #369 dangerman

he sees the world as exactly like him (except for the obvious ‘others’)
he lumps all men into the category of potential rapists because he is one

and to add on,

because he is one, his fear, like those others is that he may be accused and actually ‘caught’

(yes of course he’s been accused 18+ times - he hasnt been ‘caught’ yet)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:51:09am

re: #379 dangerman

and to add on,

because he is one, his fear, like those others is that he may be accused and actually ‘caught’

(yes of course he’s been accused 18+ times - he hasnt been ‘caught’ yet)

I’d say he’s been caught, but he hasn’t been brought to justice.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:51:57am

re: #378 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

A friend is filling in in a band made up of privileged Chads and Bretts who live in big houses and drive the latest BMWs. They’re racist MAGAts. One even put a red cap on his amp, which my friend kicked to the ground whenever he wasn’t looking.

Maybe unplug him from time to time, too.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:52:02am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, I do not care what consenting adults do for fun in private on their own time, but when it involves hush payments that violate campaign law, then it becomes a matter of public interest…

…using either possibly dirty or laundered money…

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:52:42am

re: #340 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

A little background on the Antonio Delgado smear campaign in NY-19 here in this dKos diary.

I’m not sure whether it can be classified as a “rookie mistake” or not - it seems to happen to politicians all over the spectrum/map - but Delgado’s problems seem to have been amplified by GOPers registering a similar-sounding website to his official one, and using it as a platform for racist smears. As well as TV ads.

Then again, “radical and extreme” is a standard republican attack line against Democrats: as usual, just more projection.

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:54:07am

re: #313 Alephnaught

One for the geeks. Microsoft puts old MS-DOS code on GitHub.

[Embedded content]

Is it MS-DOS or Seattle DOS?

And non-snark, I’d like them to release the Xenix sources.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:55:45am

re: #383 Jay C

A little background on the Antonio Delgado smear campaign in NY-19 here in this dKos diary.

I’m not sure whether it can be classified as a “rookie mistake” or not - it seems to happen to politicians all over the spectrum/map - but Delgado’s problems seem to have been amplified by GOPers registering a similar-sounding website to his official one, and using it as a platform for racist smears. As well as TV ads.

I feel like I can gin up a Doctor Who fight that’s almost on-topic.
Roger Delgado was and will always be the greatest Master.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2018 • 11:58:36am

re: #383 Jay C

A little background on the Antonio Delgado smear campaign in NY-19 here in this dKos diary.

I’m not sure whether it can be classified as a “rookie mistake” or not - it seems to happen to politicians all over the spectrum/map - but Delgado’s problems seem to have been amplified by GOPers registering a similar-sounding website to his official one, and using it as a platform for racist smears. As well as TV ads.

What is amusing is that Delgado is playing down his educational background for appearing too elitist, while Kavanaugh keeps on emphasizing his Yale education. Different rules for white guys vs black guys. ( I know— they are applying for different positions with different voter blocs.)

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2018 • 12:22:01pm

re: #380 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’d say he’s been caught, but he hasn’t been brought to justice.

id like to agree
hes been credible accused
im not sure any criminal cases exist or are moving forward?
i know there are a few defamation cases

unfortunately as i mentioned up-thread with the four groups
- they do reason that if ‘caught’ and not ‘convicted’ and sentenced then they are ‘innocent’ and didnt actually do it

even a light or suspended sentence means it wasnt all that serious….


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