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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:32:07am

This is a test of the Presidential Alert System. If there has been an actual alert, you would have been informed of the latest crazy shit the President has gotten up to.

This is only a test.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:32:34am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:32:45am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:33:57am
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:35:06am
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mmmirele  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:36:02am

I have the sound turned down on my phone because (a) I’m sensitive to noises and (b) if I’m playing a game on my phone in the office, I don’t want anyone to know. So, I got the alert but I had to look at my phone, because it did not have an audible noise. It was a Samsung Galaxy S8+, for the record.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:37:58am

No alert on this phone. I think I turned it off back when I got it.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:38:03am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:39:40am

UPDATE!
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:43:10am

re: #6 mmmirele

I have the sound turned down on my phone because (a) I’m sensitive to noises and (b) if I’m playing a game on my phone in the office, I don’t want anyone to know. So, I got the alert but I had to look at my phone, because it did not have an audible noise. It was a Samsung Galaxy S8+, for the record.

I thought it would override volume setting for sure. I used to get Amber Alert alarms even with my volume down.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:43:28am

I have not been alerted.
Is that good, or bad?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:43:55am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:44:10am

re: #7 William Lewis

No alert on this phone. I think I turned it off back when I got it.

You can’t turn off Presidential Alerts. it’s not an option. It’s a national emergency system.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:44:11am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:45:12am

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Bad. It means the system failed. I guess that should be expected for the first test.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:46:28am

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I have not been alerted.
Is that good, or bad?

Just got the alert . 30 minutes late. I am now part of a mushroom cloud.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:46:51am
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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:47:23am

Well, this is comforting ///

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:48:28am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:48:40am

re: #18 Interesting Times

Well, this is comforting ///

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We could always experience at a national level the error that happened in Hawaii. No malice, just human incompetence.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:48:53am

re: #18 Interesting Times

Well, this is comforting ///

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eh, nobody believes him anyway.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:50:13am

I guess I’m the only person in America who thinks it’s pretty fucking outrageous that the government can send messages to our phones that we can’t turn off.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:50:45am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:51:02am

re: #18 Interesting Times

Well, this is comforting ///

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I try not be upset by another man’s imagination. Trump didn’t build this himself, and we’ve seen no indication that it’s insecure.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:52:58am

re: #24 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I try not be upset by another man’s imagination. Trump didn’t build this himself, and we’ve seen no indication that it’s insecure.

Any system created by human beings can be hacked.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:53:17am

re: #24 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I try not be upset by another man’s imagination. Trump didn’t build this himself, and we’ve seen no indication that it’s insecure.

We already have an alert service that goes over our TVs.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:54:36am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m the only person in America who thinks it’s pretty fucking outrageous that the government can send messages to our phones that we can’t turn off.

I expect some Conservatives and Libertarians will go berserk. Trump is driving you nuts, and you’re not alone. He’s given me rage issues.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:55:09am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:55:42am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m the only person in America who thinks it’s pretty fucking outrageous that the government can send messages to our phones that we can’t turn off.

We get local alerts on TV all the time for weather related events. So far, this doesn’t seem really different in kind from those.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:56:16am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Any system created by human beings can be hacked.

We couldn’t have banking if having secure systems hacked was more likely than not.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:56:27am

The Mate also got the alert at the same time I did. Her phone was on mute and it didn’t override the setting, so she never heard it arrive.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:57:54am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:58:39am

re: #26 Belafon

We already have an alert service that goes over our TVs.

Maybe you didn’t notice, but many of us moved off of TV to the Internet in recent years, so we needed a new system. Cell-phones are a much easier way to do it than adding an alert system to the Internet, which would mean changing every operating system.

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:58:40am

re: #27 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I expect some Conservatives and Libertarians will go berserk. Trump is driving you nuts, and you’re not alone. He’s given me rage issues.

Libertarians, yeah: I’m guessing only the remaining fringe of intelligent Conservatives might have objections to this sort of intrusive system: the real wingers are probably going assume Trump will be using it to signal them to start the “Three-Percenter Revolution” or whatever…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:58:42am

re: #28 Kragar

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Like Deadheads, but racist scumbags.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:00:13pm

re: #33 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Maybe you didn’t notice, but many of us moved off of TV to the Internet in recent years, so we needed a new system. Cell-phones are a much easier way to do it than adding an alert system to the Internet, which would mean changing every operating system.

I agree. I was just commenting on the freakout over a new system.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:00:42pm

re: #34 Jay C

Libertarians, yeah: I’m guessing only the remaining fringe of intelligent Conservatives might have objections to this sort of intrusive system: the real wingers are probably going assume Trump will be using it to signal them to start the “Three-Percenter Revolution” or whatever…

Sigh…probably, but that’ll be on hate-radio like it was in Rwanda.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:01:10pm

re: #28 Kragar

David M. Drucker

@DavidMDrucker
MEMPHIS — Just interviewed Trump voter/volunteer who tells me she’s attended more than 30 MAGA rallies. Explains it’s a network of people who’ve met there & become friends. “You have your regulars & your first-timers.” #TNSEN

1:46 PM - Oct 3, 2018

Sounds like DeadHeads. So they are devoted fans following him wherever he goes hoping to hear the latest hits

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thecommodore  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:01:16pm

re: #13 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You can’t turn off Presidential Alerts. it’s not an option. It’s a national emergency system.

You can’t write back either. Too bad, I was going to tell him, “Resign! And then go &%$# yourself you big fat orange shart!”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:01:57pm

re: #29 Hecuba’s daughter

We get local alerts on TV all the time for weather related events. So far, this doesn’t seem really different in kind from those.

The critical difference is that you can turn off those alerts.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:02:02pm

re: #24 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I try not be upset by another man’s imagination. Trump didn’t build this himself, and we’ve seen no indication that it’s insecure.

Just like our nuclear response infrastructure this system is insecure simply by virtue of having a single man who can trigger usage. Remember, this happened last year because a single HEMA employee freaked out and mistook a drill for a real attack:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:02:12pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

Like Deadheads, but racist scumbags.

Or just morons glad to find other morons to hang out with. These people have not been welcome at mainstream concerts.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:02:54pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

Like Deadheads, but racist scumbags.

GMTA!! Posted mine before seeing yours.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:03:05pm

I tell my kids that their phones were designed as a method for parasites to bleed their bank accounts. Now Pres Grifter has figured out a way into the system, too.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:03:11pm

Not freaking out at all, but I really think this is a bad idea for many reasons.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:04:12pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Just like our nuclear response infrastructure this system is insecure simply by virtue of having a single man who can trigger usage. Remember this happened last year because a single HEMA employee freaked out and mistook a drill for a real attack.

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Does it have a single man that can trigger usage? Everything I’ve read says it’ll be a FEMA Message. Hawaii added checks to their system for this reason. No one person can fire off the Hawaiian alert.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:04:26pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The critical difference is that you can turn off those alerts.

How, other than turning off your tv?

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:04:39pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:04:44pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Just like our nuclear response infrastructure this system is insecure simply by virtue of having a single man who can trigger usage. Remember this happened last year because a single HEMA employee freaked out and mistook a drill for a real attack.

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Exactly - we’ve already seen one example of how it can go horribly wrong.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:04:49pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The critical difference is that you can turn off those alerts.

At least it appears that if your phone is muted, you don’t hear the alarm.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:05:09pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

Like Deadheads, but racist scumbags.

Brain-deadheads.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:05:47pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Not freaking out at all, but I really think this is a bad idea for many reasons.

It might be, but it might be a useful tool to notify people during disasters. I see no reason this is anything beyond the alerts we see on TV if we still watch TV, and the TV system was vulnerable to hackers.

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:06:46pm

re: #38 Hecuba’s daughter

Sounds like DeadHeads. So they are devoted fans following him wherever he goes hoping to hear the latest hits

The Trump WH doesn’t care: as long as they have enough bodies to jam into the front rows at whatever venues they book, they’ll assume (correctly) that no one is going to notice (or care) that it’s the same cast of familiar faces rally-to-rally. They’re probably happy that a consistent turnout means they don’t have to pay for as many ringers.

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b.d.(soros funded)  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:06:50pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Exactly - we’ve already seen one example of how it can go horribly wrong.

Everything will calm down after the 1st week or so of Trump using it instead of Twitter

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:07:10pm

If countries like Russia, China and Iran aren’t already working hard to find ways to hack this alert system I’d be very surprised.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:08:53pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The critical difference is that you can turn off those alerts.

Also, those kinds of extreme weather / natural disaster alerts are actually helpful. Trump hypothetically telling me he’s just launched a nuclear attack is only going to make my last few minutes of life stressful, and that’s probably the best use for this.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:09:01pm

re: #51 makeitstop

Brain-deadheads.

Some of the Deadheads were braindead. I remember a guy with a blank stare that had a sign saying “veggie spaghetti”. We weren’t sure if it described him, or he was selling food. I also remember an empty-eyed beautiful blonde girl who didn’t speak.

Other Deadheads were really cool people.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:09:56pm

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

Also, those kinds of extreme weather / natural disaster alerts are actually helpful. Trump hypothetically telling me he’s just launched a nuclear attack is only going to make my last few minutes of life stressful, and that’s probably the best use for this.

Luckily, this is FEMA, not Trump. He also controls the National Weather Service.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:10:04pm

re: #53 Jay C

The Trump WH doesn’t care: as long as they have enough bodies to jam into the front rows at whatever venues they book, they’ll assume (correctly) that no one is going to notice (or care) that it’s the same cast of familiar faces rally-to-rally. They’re probably happy that a consistent turnout means they don’t have to pay for as many ringers.

Some enterprising photo analyst should compile shots of Trump at the podium of his mini-Nurembergs and try to spot how many people show up in multiple states…

besides the state of delusion, of course.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:11:23pm
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:12:24pm

re: #57 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Some of the Deadheads were braindead. I remember a guy with a blank stare that had a sign saying “veggie spaghetti”. We weren’t sure if it described him, or he was selling food. I also remember an empty-eyed beautiful blonde girl who didn’t speak.

Other Deadheads were really cool people.

Oh, you don’t have to tell me. I know people who went out to follow a Dead tour and came back with their brains less than intact.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:13:34pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Another one

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:14:15pm

I mean, honestly I’m kind of beyond giving an actual fuck about this message shit just because there are still immigrant kids being held in concentration camps, our country is now hated around the world and we’re about to put a violent, serial lying, misogynistic drunk on the Supreme Court.

Still, and I know this is so goddamned tired, but just ask yourselves what the response would’ve been if this test had occurred while Obama was President.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:14:18pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The critical difference is that you can turn off those alerts.

You can turn off those alerts in exactly the same way you turn off Presidential alerts, turning off the device. This is the TV alert system updated for the 21st century, and I’d be really surprised if Trump had anything to do with it. Work will have been done by civil servants planning this for years.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:14:59pm

re: #42 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Or just morons glad to find other morons to hang out with. These people have not been welcome at mainstream concerts.

the dead didnt livestream
they could watch/listen from home

this is to pump up the visuals
and to give themselves a sense of connecting and belonging to ‘something’

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:15:39pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

I mean, honestly I’m kind of beyond giving an actual fuck about this message shit because there are still immigrant kids being held in concentration camps, our country is now hated around the world and we’re about to put a violent, serial lying, misogynistic drunk on the Supreme Court.

Still, and I know this is so goddamned tired, but just ask yourselves what the response would’ve been if this test had occurred while Obama was President.

The wingnuts would have gone crazy, because they’d been consumed by racism. I think hatred of the message when a pig is President is based on revulsion at that pig.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:15:58pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m the only person in America who thinks it’s pretty fucking outrageous that the government can send messages to our phones that we can’t turn off.

I dunno; when I first heard of reverse-911 it sounded intrusive too, but for fire evacuations it sure saved a lot of lives.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:16:10pm

re: #66 dangerman

the dead didnt livestream
they could watch/listen from home

this is to pump up the visuals
and to give themselves a sense of connecting and belonging to ‘something’

That “something” being a cult.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:16:27pm

re: #65 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You can turn off those alerts in exactly the same way you turn off Presidential alerts, turning off the device.

You’ll still get the message the second you turn the phone back on.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:16:53pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The critical difference is that you can turn off those alerts.

Actually you can. The Mates phone was on mute. She never heard it.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:17:19pm

re: #65 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Work will have been done by civil servants planning this for years.

Honestly, I don’t find this very reassuring at all.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:17:36pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

You’ll still get the message the second you turn the phone back on.

That my recent experience.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:18:25pm

re: #54 b.d.(sober as a judge)

Everything will calm down after the 1st week or so of Trump using it instead of Twitter

kind of like when they got the idea to blast the firehouse siren every single day at noon

what about the russians:
“we bomb at 12 o’clock, igor. they dont know. they think it’s lunch”
(h/t robert klein)

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:18:32pm
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sagehen  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:18:47pm

re: #28 Kragar

30 rallies? So they’re bringing in people from other states to try and push up attendance at these things?

They’re like Deadheads.

They pre-game in the parking lot, somebody’s making a good living following the tour and selling bootleg merch… I wonder if they trade bootleg tapes.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:19:03pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:20:16pm

re: #66 dangerman

the dead didnt livestream
they could watch/listen from home

this is to pump up the visuals
and to give themselves a sense of connecting and belonging to ‘something’

It’s a shame we didn’t have streaming when Jerry was alive and the band was together. I had a fantastic time attending the weekend jam-band festival that was posted here some time ago in my home theater.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:21:10pm

re: #76 Kragar

Rick Wiles speculates that Christine Blasey Ford was brainwashed by the CIA and had her mind-control “triggered” by the word “lodestar” in the anonymous NYT op-ed.

Good grief, how does Rick Wiles remember to breath.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:21:19pm

re: #77 sagehen

They’re like Deadheads.

They pre-game in the parking lot, somebody’s making a good living following the tour and selling bootleg merch… I wonder if they trade bootleg tapes.

This one has some really classic hate on it. You have to have it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:22:11pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:22:46pm

I posted this on FB, where probably nobody who should see it will see it, because they’ll all have unfriended me by now.

Points to consider vis a vis Kavanaugh:
1) The appointment is for life, which ON AVERAGE would be 27 years for a man his age.

2) Kavanaugh was chosen from a list of jurists acceptable to the Federalist Society. He’s not the only one available.

3) It’s a job interview, not a criminal trial. There’s no presumption of getting the job, and he doesn’t lose his current one if he doesn’t get this one.

4) If you think getting him confirmed is tough, getting rid of him should the accusations be substantiated or further, more easily proven accusations arise, is much, MUCH harder.

5) Kavanaugh allowed himself to be put forward for this nomination, and he knows his own history. It’s not a game.

6) There’s no time limit on the confirmation, and after Merrick Garland, the GOP doesn’t get to pretend there is one. They’re the ones who said a seat could be held open indefinitely. Because there’s no time limit, there’s no such thing as a ‘late hit’ while the nomination is still in committee.

7) When you have a credible accusation and a credible denial, you investigate. Put the shoe on the other foot, and tell me if Obama had nominated someone who had a similar credible accusation, that you’d have been okay with no investigation, or a half-assed investigation.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:23:12pm

re: #72 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Actually you can. The Mates phone was on mute. She never heard it.

Sure, if your phone happens to be on mute you won’t hear the extremely loud beeping. But you can’t opt out of these messages.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:23:37pm

re: #82 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Fuck. How can you even write satire anymore? Reality is far more creative.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:24:11pm
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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:24:40pm

re: #76 Kragar

Rick Wiles speculates that Christine Blasey Ford was brainwashed by the CIA and had her mind-control “triggered” by the word “lodestar” in the anonymous NYT op-ed.

totally possible
absolutely coulda happened
prove it didnt
///

this is why you dont respond to crackpot thinking. dont waste a breath, keystroke or pixel except a simple “shoo”.
you leave this out there all by itself and let anyone who is that moranic to glom onto it

the rest of the world goes on about its business. serious and otherwise. none of it crackpot

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:25:46pm

If you just throw your phone into a volcano …

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:26:38pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Sure, if your phone happens to be on mute you won’t hear the extremely loud beeping. But you can’t opt out of these messages.

Just like with the TV alert system. I got lucky that my headphones were plugged in and not in my ears. I have been freaked out by an Amber Alert, but we’ve already accepted these alerts in our lives since long before I was born.

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:27:09pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Still, and I know this is so goddamned tired, but just ask yourselves what the response would’ve been if this test had occurred while Obama was President.

Actually, probably not much different - though I’m guessing the Obama Admin would have done a more thorough job informing and alerting the citizenry - the wingnuts would have freaked, of course, assuming Obama was going to be sending the signal for the Night Of The Long Knives or whatever, but in the end, the same level of nothing would have happened, and the nuts would have moved on to something else.
Same as now, just with a different cast of nuts…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:27:13pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m the only person in America who thinks it’s pretty fucking outrageous that the government can send messages to our phones that we can’t turn off.

You’re not. I understand the why but I prefer to have complete control over my devices wherever possible.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:27:18pm

re: #79 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a shame we didn’t have streaming when Jerry was alive and the band was together. I had a fantastic time attending the weekend jam-band festival that was posted here some time ago in my home theater.

tech of the times
they let the audience record and they shared…
early sneakernet

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:27:21pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:28:31pm

re: #87 dangerman

totally possible
absolutely coulda happened
prove it didnt
///

this is why you dont respond to crackpot thinking. dont waste a breath, keystroke or pixel except a simple “shoo”.
you leave this out there all by itself and let anyone who is that moranic to glom onto it

the rest of the world goes on about its business. serious and otherwise. none of it crackpot

Oh yeah, why do you think the rest of us were so careful to not use that word for years so she would not be triggered early, Libtard?
/

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:28:45pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Sure, if your phone happens to be on mute you won’t hear the extremely loud beeping. But you can’t opt out of these messages.

Correct. But the way some people were seeing the system was that it would/could override your phones settings. It can’t. And as I pointed out earlier, the test was probably only partially successful. We got the alert 30 minutes late. Not good.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:28:45pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:29:03pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:29:26pm

re: #92 dangerman

tech of the times
they let the audience record and they shared…
early sneakernet

Yeah, that was cool. Most bands were having fans frisked at the door for recording devices, and the Dead allowed them to plug into the soundboard.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:30:39pm
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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:30:42pm

re: #94 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Oh yeah, why do you think the rest of us were so careful to not use that word for years so she would not be triggered early, Libtard?
/

i’d have bought into it if he said the trigger was “afghanistan bananastan”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:31:19pm

re: #96 Single-handed sailor

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Kavansugh’s Cat i christen this.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:31:31pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:32:22pm

re: #95 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Correct. But the way some people were seeing the system was that it would/could override your phones settings. It can’t. And as I pointed out earlier, the test was probably only partially successful. We got the alert 30 minutes late. Not good.

It should override the settings, if FEMA considers these alerts to be important, but it looks like it doesn’t.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:36:19pm

:D

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:36:30pm

These people are fucking morons.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:36:43pm

Pretty amazing. Kavanaugh represents the peak of teenage binge drinking the last 50 years.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:38:00pm

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

Pretty amazing. Kavanaugh represents the peak of teenage binge drinking the last 50 years.

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Frigging lightweight millennials./

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:38:57pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:38:58pm

re: #103 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It should override the settings, if FEMA considers these alerts to be important, but it looks like it doesn’t.

The only way that is ever going to happen is if the OS is (re)written to allow such an alert to override. Not going to happen on a voluntary basis.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:39:36pm
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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:40:23pm

re: #105 Kragar

These people are fucking morons.

One group of people is REALLY excited about the presidential alert: QAnon fans also noted that the test message was 17 words long — a significant number for believers in the conspiracy theory, because “Q” is the 17th letter of the alphabet.

wanna bet they didnt have like 30 different responses ready to go depending on the word count

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:40:39pm

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

Pretty amazing. Kavanaugh represents the peak of teenage binge drinking the last 50 years.

Not only did you have the Cold War and possible nuclear annihilation, but gaming graphics sucked.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:40:39pm

re: #109 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

The only way that is ever going to happen is if the OS is (re)written to allow such an alert to override. Not going to happen on a voluntary basis.

Because Americans don’t know how to cooperate anymore, consumers would go crazy, saying something like “It’s my phone bought with money that I earned”, upset that they might find out about a disaster early because people worked together.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:41:00pm

re: #109 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

The only way that is ever going to happen is if the OS is (re)written to allow such an alert to override. Not going to happen on a voluntary basis.

Pretty sure it does override the volume setting because I have my ringer set very low and that alert was at top volume.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:41:35pm

re: #112 Belafon

Not only did you have the Cold War and possible nuclear annihilation, but gaming graphics sucked.

They did not suck at the time. We went from passively watching TV to making big dots move around with a controller and making things beep and change colors!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:41:44pm

re: #76 Kragar

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Rick Wiles can’t be brainwashed because he’s been brain dead for years.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:42:43pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure it does override the volume setting because I have my ringer set very low and that alert was at top volume.

That was my experience with Amber alerts, and part of why I jumped the first time, not knowing where the new noise was coming from, but people are saying they muted it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:43:39pm

re: #112 Belafon

Not only did you have the Cold War and possible nuclear annihilation, but gaming graphics sucked.

When I was that age, in 1975, ‘gaming graphics’ was pretty much Hangman - hand drawn.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:43:47pm

FBI doesn’t have approval to talk to Ford or Kavanaugh for investigation: report
thehill.com

The investigation was a complete sham….

Not shocked

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:44:46pm

re: #115 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They did not suck at the time. We went from passively watching TV to making big dots move around with a controller and making things beep and change colors!

You obviously only enjoyed them because of a large amount of beer. :)

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:44:50pm

Buffeted By A Vicious Buffoon

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:45:07pm

re: #119 Kilroy was here

FBI doesn’t have approval to talk to Ford or Kavanaugh for investigation: report
thehill.com

The investigation was a complete sham….

Not shocked

“Investigate the matter, but do not question the accuser or the accused at all!”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:46:20pm

re: #118 Blind Frog Belly White

When I was that age, in 1975, ‘gaming graphics’ was pretty much Hangman - hand drawn.

We had a lot of video games in the 70s, but 1975 was a few years before the Atari 2600.

retrowaste.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:46:53pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Exactly - we’ve already seen one example of how it can go horribly wrong.

In theory it could come in handy, if, for example, there is an incoming tsunami like the one that just hit Palau.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:47:10pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

“Investigate the matter, but do not question the accuser or the accused at all!”

If they questioned the accuser, they’d have to question the accused, and if they did they might discover that he’d lied to Congress, which the WH and the Senate Republicans know he did.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:47:18pm

re: #117 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That was my experience with Amber alerts, and part of why I jumped the first time, not knowing where the new noise was coming from, but people are saying they muted it.

Correct. The Mates phone was muted. She did not receive the tonal alert, though she did receive the message. My phone wasn’t muted and the the tonal alert was full volume even though I had it set to about 50%. So it will override some, but not all settings

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:47:22pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Flake is going to vote yes.

- if flake + 2 arent prepared to vote no now, the fbi report likely wont convince them of anything
- if they are ready to vote no now, what could possibly turn them back into a yes? (bribery/blackmail/payoffs aside)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:47:34pm

re: #120 Belafon

You obviously only enjoyed them because of a large amount of beer. :)

Maybe a sip of my dad’s.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:48:39pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure it does override the volume setting because I have my ringer set very low and that alert was at top volume.

My phone was muted and I didn’t get. Maybe if your volume is at any level you get the full blast on the alert.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:49:24pm

re: #112 Belafon

Not only did you have the Cold War and possible nuclear annihilation, but gaming graphics sucked.

what awe we were in when we were finally able to program a monochrome monitor at the individual pixel level

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:50:19pm

re: #113 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Because Americans don’t know how to cooperate anymore, consumers would go crazy, saying something like “It’s my phone bought with money that I earned”, upset that they might find out about a disaster early because people worked together.

you may own the phone
who owns your phone’s o/s?
i think not you

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:50:34pm

re: #105 Kragar

These people are fucking morons.

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They’re too brain dead to realize that Trump doesn’t control that system!

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:52:04pm

re: #117 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That was my experience with Amber alerts, and part of why I jumped the first time, not knowing where the new noise was coming from, but people are saying they muted it.

the first amber alert i got was at 3am or so
turned that shit right off forever
and my phone is from a different area code so it wasnt even relevant to me

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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:52:25pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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I don’t understand that quote from Flake. I think he’s saying that you can’t hold Kavanaugh accountable for what Trump says. Of course, Flake could actually hold Kavanaugh accountable by voting down his nomination.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:53:38pm

re: #131 dangerman

you may own the phone
who owns your phone’s o/s?
i think not you

You can replace the main OS yourself, though I haven’t. It’s messing with the radio’s code that makes the carrier ban your device, which is understandable. The cell networks are not open systems like the Internet.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:53:52pm

re: #124 Big Beautiful Door

In theory it could come in handy, if, for example, there is an incoming tsunami like the one that just hit Palau.

No tsunami is going to hit both the East and West coasts, so the current regional emergency alerts already cover that. This system is for nuclear attacks, giant meteors, and mass Kaiju invasions.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:55:50pm

re: #135 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You can replace the main OS yourself, though I haven’t. It’s messing with the radio’s code that makes the carrier ban your device, which is understandable. The cell networks are not open systems like the Internet.

oh sure
i was just focusing in on “It’s my phone bought with money that I earned”

for the majority who also dont realize they own their computer but not most of the software they paid for and think they “bought”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:56:22pm

re: #133 dangerman

the first amber alert i got was at 3am or so
turned that shit right off forever
and my phone is from a different area code so it wasnt even relevant to me

Irrelevant alerts got it turned off on a lot of phones. If you’re going to make a noise that loud, you should have a good reason. Now that I think of it, I haven’t heard an Amber Alert at work, so either they stopped using it, no kids are kidnapped anymore, or everyone disabled it because of inappropriate alerts.

If the Presidential alert goes off at 3am, it’s to tell you to kiss your ass goodbye.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:56:33pm

re: #134 Mike Lamb

He’s talking about Trump’s comment from last night in particular.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:57:09pm

re: #138 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

If the Presidential alert goes off at 3am, it’s to tell you to kiss your ass goodbye.

In which case I’d prefer to stay asleep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:57:19pm

re: #65 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You can turn off those alerts in exactly the same way you turn off Presidential alerts, turning off the device. This is the TV alert system updated for the 21st century, and I’d be really surprised if Trump had anything to do with it. Work will have been done by civil servants planning this for years.

I still fail to see why presidential alerts are even necessary, other than giving the moron-in-chief another ego-stroking perk.
What do presidential alerts accomplish that we don’t already have with national alerts for weather, disasters, national emergency?
Not. A. Damned. Thing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:57:39pm

re: #137 dangerman

oh sure
i was just focusing in on “It’s my phone bought with money that I earned”

for the majority who also dont realize they own their computer but not most of the software they paid for and think they “bought”

True, but with traditional licenses it was indistinguishable from buying from the user’s perspective. Now with annual license renewals on some software, you are fully renting your software.

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calochortus  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:58:24pm

re: #97 gocart mozart

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Yeah, my dumbphone didn’t alert me, either. Another thing in favor of old technology.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:58:28pm

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

Pretty amazing. Kavanaugh represents the peak of teenage binge drinking the last 50 years.

I don’t think people understand how much more teen binge drinking there was 30-40 years ago compared to today.

When I was that age, binge drinking was only for people who didn’t know where to score pot.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:58:56pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I still fail to see why presidential alerts are even necessary, other than giving the moron-in-chief another ego-stroking perk.
What do presidential alerts accomplish that we don’t already have with national alerts for weather, disasters, national emergency?
Not. A. Damned. Thing.

This is for natural disasters and such. It’s really a FEMA alert, which is part of the executive branch. They may have renamed it to stroke Trump’s ego, but it’s not Trump’s system.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 12:59:43pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:01:35pm

re: #144 sagehen

When I was that age, binge drinking was only for people who didn’t know where to score pot.

California?
In the Midwest, we mostly drink, then water-down, our parent’s booze.
I discovered pot pretty early and switched over since combining them gave me the spins.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:01:39pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I still fail to see why presidential alerts are even necessary, other than giving the moron-in-chief another ego-stroking perk.
What do presidential alerts accomplish that we don’t already have with national alerts for weather, disasters, national emergency?
Not. A. Damned. Thing.

“just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily mean we must do that thing…”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:02:18pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m the only person in America who thinks it’s pretty fucking outrageous that the government can send messages to our phones that we can’t turn off.

I expect that he will soon be sending us a message to ignore that man behind the curtain…

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:03:43pm

re: #113 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Because Americans don’t know how to cooperate anymore, consumers would go crazy, saying something like “It’s my phone bought with money that I earned”, upset that they might find out about a disaster early because people worked together.

Or that their privacy was being invaded

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:04:57pm

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I expect that he will soon be sending us a message to ignore that man behind the curtain…

If he uses it for anything but real emergencies, his polling will drop 10 points.
Most Conservatives do not want to hear a loud alarm they can’t control, even if it’s from a nut they relate to, and Liberals despise the guy.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:05:27pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:06:16pm

re: #150 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Or that their privacy was being invaded

Yep, even though there’s no privacy involved. Humans are stupid. I’m amazed that we’ve come as far as we have without collapsing into chaos.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:07:11pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

No tsunami is going to hit both the East and West coasts, so the current regional emergency alerts already cover that. This system is for nuclear attacks, giant meteors, and mass Kaiju invasions.

So its pretty much pointless.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:08:36pm

Oh, spammers…

As if the ‘plastic wrap’ spams earlier weren’t bad enough - I just got spam with the header

‘Jesus Molecule’ Brings Dead Cells To Life

It says some doctor is ‘risking her neck by sharing this information with the public - and there’s no guarantee how long it will remain on the web.’

Sheah, I’m totally gonna click on that link.
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:08:54pm

re: #97 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

that’s the kind of phone I have!
Yay me!

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:09:19pm

re: #152 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Nice move! Them lawyers ain’t dumb.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:09:54pm

If you were wondering…No, Trump shouldn’t be able to use the system to broadcast his tweets.
The law explicitly states, “The public alert and warning system shall not be used to transmit a message that does not relate to a natural disaster, act of terrorism, or other man-made disaster or threat to public safety.”
buzzfeednews.com

It could legally be used to report on Trump (by the letter of the law anyway), but not by Trump for his propaganda.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:10:07pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:12:00pm

re: #155 makeitstop

Oh, spammers…

As if the ‘plastic wrap’ spams earlier weren’t bad enough - I just got spam with the header

‘Jesus Molecule’ Brings Dead Cells To Life

It says some doctor is ‘risking her neck by sharing this information with the public - and there’s no guarantee how long it will remain on the web.’

Sheah, I’m totally gonna click on that link.
/

That would be a terrifying zombie molecule, and Jesus wasn’t a zombie, he was a reverse-zombie-vampire that wants others to eat his flesh and drink his blood. At least if you’re Catholic.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:13:05pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:14:13pm

re: #144 sagehen

When I was that age, binge drinking was only for people who didn’t know where to score pot.

yes, alcohol was always a drug of last resort when all other means of getting stoned were unavailable

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:14:57pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:15:58pm

re: #153 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yep, even though there’s no privacy involved. Humans are stupid. I’m amazed that we’ve come as far as we have without collapsing into chaos.

Looks around. Republicans control both Houses, tRump is POTUS, sexual assault victims are being ridiculed and slut shamed while an accused sexual predator is poised to become a sitting member of the SCOTUS and White Nationalism is be openly flaunted . If this isn’t chaos, it’s the frigging event horizon of chaos.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:17:08pm

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, alcohol was always a drug of last resort when all other means of getting stoned were unavailable

I lived in rural PA, where the drinking age was 21, about 16 miles from Maryland, where the drinking age was 18. We drank. When I tried pot, it was because friends I drank with had some.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:17:11pm

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, alcohol was always a drug of last resort when all other means of getting stoned were unavailable

Which is why it had to be propped up by prohibiting every better drug.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:17:24pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:17:42pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:18:15pm
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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:19:09pm

re: #169 gocart mozart

With musical accompaniment by Stevie Ray Vaughan.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:19:33pm

re: #164 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Looks around. Republicans control both Houses, tRump is POTUS, sexual assault victims are being ridiculed and slut shamed by the president himself as well as other members of the administration and congress, while an accused sexual predator is poised to become a sitting member of the SCOTUS and White Nationalism is be openly flaunted . If this isn’t chaos, it’s the frigging event horizon of chaos.

just helping out

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:20:10pm
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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:20:23pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:20:35pm

re: #164 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Looks around. Republicans control both Houses, tRump is POTUS, sexual assault victims are being ridiculed and slut shamed while an accused sexual predator is poised to become a sitting member of the SCOTUS and White Nationalism is be openly flaunted . If this isn’t chaos, it’s the frigging event horizon of chaos.

Keeper phrase.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:21:54pm

re: #167 gocart mozart

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:22:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:22:51pm

re: #172 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Rob Garde? Sounds like a fake name. “Garderobe” was another term for privy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:24:19pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:26:08pm

re: #173 Kragar

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Because those sites just became questionable after years of accurate reporting.
/
They should never have been considered reliable sources.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:27:29pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:29:20pm

Considering all the talk on Faux, the impression being made is the FBI is not working to release the report today because its investigation has concluded, but because the only way Mitch can keep his promise of a vote this week is to invoke cloture by 11:59pm EDT.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:30:17pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:30:35pm

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:30:47pm

re: #171 dangerman

Thanks. You defiantly improved on my post.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:30:50pm
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thecommodore  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:31:28pm

Just as I’ve feared. Whether or not Kavanaugh is confirmed, I think this episode has fired up the GOP.

Poll: Kavanaugh Hearing Galvanized Republicans, Erasing Dem Enthusiasm Edge

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:32:28pm

re: #180 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“Memory care facility” makes me think of a discussion my sister told me about. What you need to understand about my sisters is that the one who actually controls Dad’s finances and living situation is pretty Zen about things, while the other one is an anxiety-riddled control freak.

Control Freak Sister asked Zen Sister what they’d do if Dad needed to go into a memory care facility.

Zen Sister said, “He’s got enough money, between savings, pension, and Social Security, for 5 years.”

Control Freak Sister then said, “But what about after that?!?”

Dad just turned 100….

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:32:35pm

Dying here…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:33:50pm

re: #186 thecommodore

Just as I’ve feared. Whether or not Kavanaugh is confirmed, I think this episode has fired up the GOP.

Poll: Kavanaugh Hearing Galvanized Republicans, Erasing Dem Enthusiasm Edge

The party of rape. Anyone who still self-identifies as Republican is extremely likely to be entirely hopeless and beyond redemption. It’s the people who are not interested in politics that have to realize how destructive having a mad President is, and turn things around.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:34:05pm

re: #169 gocart mozart

On Curing the Disability and Disease of Left-Handedness

I do everything left-handed except for playing guitar.

My dad, brother and three uncles all played, righties all. I just figured that was the way it was done. When Hendrix hit the scene, I was completely confused.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:34:10pm

re: #186 thecommodore

Just as I’ve feared. Whether or not Kavanaugh is confirmed, I think this episode has fired up the GOP.

Poll: Kavanaugh Hearing Galvanized Republicans, Erasing Dem Enthusiasm Edge

That kind of “coming home to roost” is exactly what GOPers did in 2016, as well. Counting on depressed GOPer turnout was never a winning strategy - Dems have to boost their own.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:34:21pm

re: #158 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

If you were wondering…No, Trump shouldn’t be able to use the system to broadcast his tweets.
The law explicitly states, “The public alert and warning system shall not be used to transmit a message that does not relate to a natural disaster, act of terrorism, or other man-made disaster or threat to public safety.”
buzzfeednews.com

It could legally be used to report on Trump (by the letter of the law anyway), but not by Trump for his propaganda.

Threat to public safety is a broad category and Trump views immigrant related crime as being exactly that. FEMA is run by DHS, and the head of DHS flagrantly lied recently saying DHS had no child separation policy when she had explicitly signed off on exactly that.

So, frankly I have no idea where the credulous acceptance that this system can’t or won’t be politically abused comes from. What exactly is stopping him from ginning up some intelligence report of an imminent terrorist attack and “warning” us all about it just before an election if everyone responsible for sending these messages works directly for him?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:35:35pm

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

“Memory care facility” makes me think of a discussion my sister told me about. What you need to understand about my sisters is that the one who actually controls Dad’s finances and living situation is pretty Zen about things, while the other one is an anxiety-riddled control freak.

Control Freak Sister asked Zen Sister what they’d do if Dad needed to go into a memory care facility.

Zen Sister said, “He’s got enough money, between savings, pension, and Social Security, for 5 years.”

Control Freak Sister then said, “But what about after that?!?”

Dad just turned 100….

Damn. My mom died in her early 40’s, and my dad is showing his age at 75.
If he’s lived to 100, I would not assume he’ll die in 5 years. He might be immortal.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:36:36pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

That kind of “coming home to roost” is exactly what GOPers did in 2016, as well. Counting on depressed GOPer turnout was never a winning strategy - Dems have to boost their own.

Which is about all most Democrats have been doing. GOTV is pretty much the majority of what they do.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:37:49pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

Threat to public safety is a broad category and Trump views immigrant related crime as being exactly that. FEMA is run by DHS, and the head of DHS flagrantly lied recently saying DHS had no child separation policy when she had explicitly signed off on exactly that.

So, frankly I have no idea where the credulous acceptance that this system can’t or won’t be politically abused comes from. What exactly is stopping him from ginning up some intelligence report of an imminent terrorist attack and “warning” us all about it just before an election if everyone responsible for sending these messages works directly for him?

Because it’s not from Trump.
If FEMA uses it to send a fake terrorist warning, at least half of the country will consider it a terrorist act by FEMA against America, and it will be the end of the Trump administration.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:37:52pm
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Kragar  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:38:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:38:24pm

re: #190 makeitstop

I do everything left-handed except for playing guitar.

My dad, brother and three uncles all played, righties all. I just figured that was the way it was done. When Hendrix hit the scene, I was completely confused.

Mrs. FBW’s Mom was lefthanded, but she was a child just when that came out, and they tried to ‘cure’ her. Might have made her dyslexic.

Mrs. FBW is righthanded, but sufficiently adept with her left hand* that she was able to train herself to write upside down and backwards with her left hand, nearly as neatly as she writes upright with her right hand.

*[small] And bored as fuck in high school[/smal]

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:40:42pm
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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:40:50pm

re: #176 jaunte

That NYT Trump story is like telling people there’s no Santa, the myth is too big to fail now.

too big to fail, my ass

anyone over eight years old knows there’s no santa
if that’s the measure…

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:41:05pm

re: #29 Hecuba’s daughter

We get local alerts on TV all the time for weather related events. So far, this doesn’t seem really different in kind from those.

They had the monthly test of the Capital Area Emergency Response Network today on KUT (our NPR radio station). Matty McConaughey narrated it.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:41:46pm

re: #200 dangerman

anyone over eight years old

A comment on the people that go to his rallies.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:41:56pm

re: #197 Kragar

But LOCK HER UP

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:42:05pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

What’s to stop him from doing it on the already existing one on television?

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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:42:33pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I still fail to see why presidential alerts are even necessary, other than giving the moron-in-chief another ego-stroking perk.
What do presidential alerts accomplish that we don’t already have with national alerts for weather, disasters, national emergency?
Not. A. Damned. Thing.

I dunno…that’d be a question for every president since Eisenhower.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:42:42pm

This is nuts.

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JC1  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:43:07pm

re: #186 thecommodore

It could also mean that even fewer people identify as Republican now, so the rabbid base makes up a larger percentage of the GOP.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:43:22pm

re: #197 Kragar

[Embedded content]

It’s probably a good thing that I’m not a Senator. I would probably have punched Rubio in the face a thousand times by now. That fucking coward.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:43:32pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:43:40pm

re: #201 austin_blue

They had the monthly test of the Capital Area Emergency Response Network today on KUT (our NPR radio station). Matty McConaughey narrated it.

Sorry, but the Canadians beat them to it.
acronyms.thefreedictionary.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:43:57pm

re: #208 KGxvi

It’s probably a good thing that I’m not a Senator. I would probably have punched Rubio in the face a thousand times by now. That fucking coward.

Caning is the more traditional rebuke….

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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:44:42pm

re: #148 dangerman

“just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily mean we must do that thing…”

Ooooh, nice…a stealth Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country quote.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:44:54pm
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:45:09pm

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

Caning is the more traditional rebuke….

I’m a professional wrestling fan, so steel chair to the head and powerbomb through a table.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:45:51pm

re: #212 TedStriker

Ooooh, nice…a stealth Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country quote.

Old Vulcan saying, only Nixon could go to China.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:45:53pm

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

Caning is the more traditional rebuke….

I think I can take him in a duel, but most of my experience is in VR, so I may be mistaken.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:46:12pm

re: #195 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Because it’s not from Trump.
If FEMA uses it to send a fake terrorist warning, at least half of the country will consider it a terrorist act by FEMA against America, and it will be the end of the Trump administration.

DHS kidnapped children in an explicit effort to terrorize immigrants seeking asylum. Then, after literally announcing it as a new policy they flagrantly lied about it even being a policy at all. Then they tried to blame their new on a non-existent “Democrat law.” Then they deported parents, keeping some kids, and after they were ordered by the courts to stop they missed several reunification deadlines and are now steadfastly refusing to reunite the remaining families they tore apart. And Trump’s poll numbers have barely budged.

So, again, I have no idea where your belief that somehow abusing this system would finally be the bridge too far comes from. If his administration has learned anything it’s that they don’t have to follow the rules.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:46:45pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:47:39pm

re: #207 JC1

It could also mean that even fewer people identify as Republican now, so the rabbid base makes up a larger percentage of the GOP.

We know this is the case. The sane Republicans got called RINOs and run out by complete lunatics who think far-right propaganda is “the news”.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:48:09pm

re: #206 jaunte

[Embedded content]

This is nuts.

Ah, gotta love that “transparency” that the GOP are so big about…

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:48:32pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

The Thomas/Hill investigation took about three days. They’ve got enough agents that they can get these investigations done pretty quickly.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:49:05pm
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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:50:04pm

re: #190 makeitstop

I do everything left-handed except for playing guitar.

My dad, brother and three uncles all played, righties all. I just figured that was the way it was done. When Hendrix hit the scene, I was completely confused.

i am definitely lefty dominant
as a child, they tried to fix my handwriting. i resisted.
i throw and catch lefty
i bat and kick, play pool righty
fence lefty (there are very few of us)

when i started guitar lessons in like 4th grade (1960’s) the guy asked if anyone was left handed. i was afraid to say yes. he said good, i didnt want to have to restring this thing anyway. i remember it to this day.

it wouldnt have matter - lefty or righty - i wasnt so hot. i play a mean stereo though

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:50:36pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

DHS kidnapped children in an explicit effort to terrorize immigrants seeking asylum. Then, after literally announcing it as a new policy they flagrantly lied about it even being a policy at all. Then they tried to blame their new on a non-existent “Democrat law.” Then they deported parents, keeping some kids, and after they were ordered by the courts to stop they missed several reunification deadlines and are now steadfastly refusing to reunite the remaining families they tore apart. And Trump’s poll numbers have barely budged.

So, again, I have no idea where your belief in this finally being the bridge too far comes from. If his administration has learned anything it’s that they don’t have to follow the rules.

Kidnapping children did not inconvenience Americans. It’s like you’re not looking at this from the perspective of an American.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:51:47pm

re: #202 jaunte

A comment on the people that go to his rallies.

exactly my point

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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:52:23pm

re: #185 Single-handed sailor

[Embedded content]

Fake news. That shit has been solved.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:53:42pm

re: #206 jaunte

Fox confirms via 2 Sr Senate sources the FBI is expected to send a single copy of the supplemental report on Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Hill. All 100 Senators and 9 staffers will be authorized to read it. It will be kept in a Safe in the Sen Judiciary Cmte, per

This is nuts.

how dare the people believe they have a right to know what their senator is voting on (in their name)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:53:48pm

re: #226 Mike Lamb

Fake news. That shit has been solved.

It’s true. Trump and Kim are lovers now, and talked it through. I’m 99% sure Trump said so.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:54:24pm

re: #227 dangerman

how dare the people believe they have a right to know what their senator is voting on (in their name)

Senators don’t want little-people telling them what to do. Do you know who they are!!!

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:54:30pm
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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:55:47pm

re: #212 TedStriker

Ooooh, nice…a stealth Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country quote.

well played

though i havent seen anyone pick up “afghanistan bananastan” yet
re: #100 dangerman

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:55:54pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:56:05pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

I’d forgotten this. I’m old, and my mind is going.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:57:29pm

re: #233 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’d forgotten this. I’m old, and my mind is going.

[Embedded content]

He has some integrity to him I’ll grant that.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:58:52pm

How did Chris Cillizza ever manage to fail upward into a very lucrative job with CNN, and then churn out these asinine pieces every single day? Doesn’t anyone there ever notice how fatuous and pathetic this guy is?

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2018 • 1:59:25pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Honestly, I don’t find this very reassuring at all.

I have mixed feelings. If I think Obama Presidential Alert 3 years ago I think okay fine. Good idea if run well. Now with Trump I’m caught between the utility of emergency alerts and the chaotic shitshow that passes for presidential. California is building an earthquake alert system, tsunami alerts are real. If a cyber attack on certain infrastructure were underway an alert could be helpful to buy people some time against power outages or an incipient deliberate internet attack and take down by the government with a kill switch similar to an aircraft ground stop in the event of terror.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:00:15pm

…the fuck??

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:01:03pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

How did Chris Cillizza ever manage to fail upward into a very lucrative job with CNN, and then churn out these asinine pieces every single day? Doesn’t anyone there ever notice how fatuous and pathetic this guy is?

He should have been laughed out of class after the best Trump insults listicle.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:01:17pm

re: #186 thecommodore

Just as I’ve feared. Whether or not Kavanaugh is confirmed, I think this episode has fired up the GOP.

Poll: Kavanaugh Hearing Galvanized Republicans, Erasing Dem Enthusiasm Edge

If/when the (apparently) inevitable confirmation comes to pass, it will be interesting to see if their enthusiasm keeps up with the anger from the left…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:02:09pm

re: #237 makeitstop

…the fuck??

[Embedded content]

Cruz again is showing why he didn’t deserve Beto’s defense.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:02:14pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:02:32pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

How did Chris Cillizza ever manage to fail upward into a very lucrative job with CNN, and then churn out these asinine pieces every single day? Doesn’t anyone there ever notice how fatuous and pathetic this guy is?

I think they give him an A for effort and an F for execution, averaging to a C.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:02:44pm

re: #237 makeitstop

…the fuck??

[Embedded content]

If you can’t beat them straight up, you fight dirty!

//

This is along the lines of the ads being run against Antonio Delgado that are straight race baiting.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:04:10pm

re: #239 Mike Lamb

If/when the (apparently) inevitable confirmation comes to pass, it will be interesting to see if their enthusiasm keeps up with the anger from the left…

I dunno. Man this pisses me off. Why can’t we galvanize to REJECT a sexual predator while they are uniting to PROTECT one. If he gets confirmed and they keep the House, I just may be about done. WTF left. Unite!

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:04:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:06:06pm

re: #245 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

I want someone to wipe that smile off of his face.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:06:23pm
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:07:52pm

re: #247 jaunte

Donald Trump will have to pay back any money he “owes” New Yorkers from dodging taxes, mayor declares

Hand it over to the AG, Mr. Mayor.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:08:19pm

re: #247 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Not going to happen Bill. You’ll get video of Trump with Ivanka before he pays a dime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:10:58pm

re: #247 jaunte

[Embedded content]

can he not just give himself a presidential pardon or executive exemption? i am sure kavanaugh would support him on that

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:11:17pm

re: #186 thecommodore

Just as I’ve feared. Whether or not Kavanaugh is confirmed, I think this episode has fired up the GOP.

Poll: Kavanaugh Hearing Galvanized Republicans, Erasing Dem Enthusiasm Edge

it’s either an outlier or merely a single data point

the earlier 12 point (or so) lead was from back in the first week of september
the late september polling was about +7

so now the r’s are more energized about kav
and the d’s are more pissed off about kav

so? because i dont think any dems have recently decided not to vote

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:11:47pm
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harlequinade  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:12:46pm

re: #251 dangerman

Also, isn’t the republican party now down to being just the base?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:15:42pm
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:16:02pm

Pretty spot on.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:16:11pm

going for a walk with mrs dm

she never got the alert so as far as she knows, everythings’ right with the world

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:16:37pm

re: #254 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Stops copies me!

/loki

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:17:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:17:28pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:19:57pm

Just got back in and I haven’t read any of the threads since I left in early afternoon.

I got that National Wireless Alert Message at 2:18, so that works.

But about two and a half hours later I got this text message

“Newt texted. Karl Rove texted. Even President Trump texted. Help us protect Trump’s majority. It’s urgent: (followed by a link to bit. ly website).”

I have never, ever ask for any contact from a Republican. I have never been contacted by a Republican.

Do I think I got this just after the national alert because the Republicans somehow got to use the call list???

It sure makes me wonder. And no matter what, it pisses me the hell off.

Did anyone else have the same happen?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:20:28pm

re: #258 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

From this guy to Trump. WTG America.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:21:02pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:21:09pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

As a drummer…that is hella fun!

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:21:09pm

re: #253 harlequinade

Also, isn’t the republican party now down to being just the base?

Based on this tally from Rasmussen, nationally the registration numbers are 40/29/28 D/R/I, at least in states that register by party. The self-identification numbers in polls might be better indicators, but then you have to look at other things like party lean of independents.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:24:28pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

Just got back in and I haven’t read any of the threads since I left in early afternoon.

I got that National Wireless Alert Message at 2:18, so that works.

But about two and a half hours later I got this text message

“Newt texted. Karl Rove texted. Even President Trump texted. Help us protect Trump’s majority. It’s urgent: (followed by a link to bit. ly website).”

I have never, ever ask for any contact from a Republican. I have never been contacted by a Republican.

Do I think I got this just after the national alert because the Republicans somehow got to use the call list???

It sure makes me wonder. And no matter what, it pisses me the hell off.

Did anyone else have the same happen?

I think it’s just the next step in direct calling. Every once in a while I get a text message that is someone trying to sell something, very rare, but I suspect that text spam is coming. Almost as annoying as the thing they do now where they mask calls and your call ID shows a number similar to yours, same area code and three digit prefix.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:25:15pm

re: #262 jaunte

[Embedded content]

GFY Marco seriously.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:26:16pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

I’d guess that was coincidence. I have another take…

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:29:58pm

re: #262 jaunte

I’m sure plenty of very wealthy people do things like what Fred Trump did. But the thing is, Fred Trump did it in a very hamhanded and clumsy way (at least we know where Donnie got it from). This would have drawn much less attention if he’d simply created some businesses and trusts, where the kids were beneficiaries under the trust, and the trust held the shares of the businesses. But having five year olds on the payroll, and engaging in what is effectively money laundering by upcharging costs (though I think that might have been Don rather than Fred), that’s the sort of shit that should get you into trouble.

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harlequinade  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:36:21pm

re: #264 KGxvi

But in terms of “the party is galvanized” isn’t this going to matter in places that are gerrymandered? They can be galvanized. There’s more of Us…you, I’m overseas..you get what I mean :)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:36:58pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:42:57pm

re: #43 Hecuba’s daughter

GMTA!! Posted mine before seeing yours.

Wrong-o!

I made the Deadhead comment back when Trump was in the Columbus area to support Troy Balderson’s run against Danny O’Connor for Ohio District 12 House Rep primary election in May.

Local NBC TV did a report of a group that rents buses and goes to Trump rallies. I think I put up a video of the interview.

(And someone probably made the same comment earlier…it’s the way things work on the ‘net.)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:43:18pm

re: #237 makeitstop

…the fuck??

Intern: “You know it should be easy to cobble up a fake commercial with Fidel Castro endorsing Ted Cruz. “

Campaign manager: “NO”

Intern: “Why not? Oh, because Castro is dead?”

Campaign manager: “NO, BECAUSE IT IS FUCKING UNETHICAL AND WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS! By the way, you’re fired.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:43:21pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

“He’s had six background checks and nothing turned up!”

No, something turned up, just nothing relevant to his job at the time.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:43:28pm

re: #254 jaunte

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:44:10pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

Senate Dems say in new letter that there is information in Kavanaugh’s past FBI background checks that involve either inappropriate sexual behavior or alcohol abuse

That’s pretty damned smart.

If they won’t let you see the new stuff, go looking at the old stuff.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:45:18pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

Just got back in and I haven’t read any of the threads since I left in early afternoon.

I got that National Wireless Alert Message at 2:18, so that works.

But about two and a half hours later I got this text message

“Newt texted. Karl Rove texted. Even President Trump texted. Help us protect Trump’s majority. It’s urgent: (followed by a link to bit. ly website).”

I have never, ever ask for any contact from a Republican. I have never been contacted by a Republican.

Do I think I got this just after the national alert because the Republicans somehow got to use the call list???

It sure makes me wonder. And no matter what, it pisses me the hell off.

Did anyone else have the same happen?

My family stuck me on GOP e-mal lists. They all go straight to trash.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:46:42pm

It’s probably the mismatched priorities that offend me the most.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:48:25pm

Things could have been worse.

Trump could have matched you on Tinder!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:48:46pm

re: #277 goddamnedfrank

It’s probably the mismatched priorities that offend me the most.

[Embedded content]

Had this system been in place, the people of PR could have been warned that Trump was about to let 3,000 of them die from neglect.
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:51:38pm

re: #277 goddamnedfrank

It’s probably the mismatched priorities that offend me the most.

[Embedded content]

speaking just for myself: no, FEMA, I will not tell you I didn’t get the text…

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:53:56pm

re: #268 KGxvi

I’m sure plenty of very wealthy people do things like what Fred Trump did. But the thing is, Fred Trump did it in a very hamhanded and clumsy way (at least we know where Donnie got it from). This would have drawn much less attention if he’d simply created some businesses and trusts, where the kids were beneficiaries under the trust, and the trust held the shares of the businesses. But having five year olds on the payroll, and engaging in what is effectively money laundering by upcharging costs (though I think that might have been Don rather than Fred), that’s the sort of shit that should get you into trouble.

ding!

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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2018 • 2:58:13pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

Just got back in and I haven’t read any of the threads since I left in early afternoon.

I got that National Wireless Alert Message at 2:18, so that works.

But about two and a half hours later I got this text message

“Newt texted. Karl Rove texted. Even President Trump texted. Help us protect Trump’s majority. It’s urgent: (followed by a link to bit. ly website).”

I have never, ever ask for any contact from a Republican. I have never been contacted by a Republican.

Do I think I got this just after the national alert because the Republicans somehow got to use the call list???

It sure makes me wonder. And no matter what, it pisses me the hell off.

Did anyone else have the same happen?

Sounds like a hell of a coincidence…the alerts are sent through a federal clearinghouse as a general (or targeted, for local and regional alerts) broadcast over cell networks, not as text messages to specific numbers.

The Federal Communications Commission proposed and adopted the network structure, operational procedures and technical requirements in 2007 and 2008 in response to the Warning, Alert, and Response Network (WARN) Act passed by Congress in 2006, which allocated $106 million to fund the program.[3] CMAS will allow federal agencies to accept and aggregate alerts from the President of the United States, the National Weather Service (NWS) and emergency operations centers, and send the alerts to participating wireless providers who will distribute the alerts to their customers with compatible devices via Cell Broadcast, a technology similar to SMS text messages that simultaneously delivers messages to all phones using a cell tower instead of individual recipients.[4][5]

The government issues three types of alerts through this system:

Alerts issued by the President of the United States.
Alerts involving imminent threats to safety of life, issued in two different categories: extreme threats and severe threats
AMBER Alerts.[4]
When the alert is received, a sound is played if the ringer is on. On nearly all devices, the Emergency Broadcast System radio/TV attention signal sounds in a predetermined pattern.[6]

The system is a collaborative effort among the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Directorate (DHS S&T), the Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions (ATIS), and the Telecommunications Industry Association (TIA),[7]

en.wikipedia.org

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unproven innocence  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:00:09pm
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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:00:30pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

I have never, ever ask for any contact from a Republican. I have never been contacted by a Republican.

Maybe it’s Rob Portman replying to your letters after all…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:06:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:10:36pm
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:12:19pm

re: #269 harlequinade

But in terms of “the party is galvanized” isn’t this going to matter in places that are gerrymandered? They can be galvanized. There’s more of Us…you, I’m overseas..you get what I mean :)

It really depends. GOTV efforts can still overcome gerrymandering and registration advantages (Obama did win North Carolina in 2008 and we do have Democratic Senators from North Dakota and Montana). The population of districts is always changing, people move in, people move out, young people become eligible, old people die, and we’re half way through this districting cycle, there will be a census in two years and new maps in four years.

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:14:47pm

re: #284 Interesting Times

Maybe it’s Rob Portman replying to your letters after all…

Good point, and you may be spot on.

Maybe a staffer did it.

Robby be wasting his time…that effort for a known hater?

And a good clue you are right…I just checked the link from the text message online and guess where it goes?

To the NRSC (National Republican Senate Committee) and asks for donations for Trump.

Grrrrrr. I of course asked for no contacts or further info from Portman.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:15:53pm

You wanna play this game, Donny?

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Alephnaught  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:17:26pm

re: #8 gocart mozart

re: #48 gocart mozart

re: #63 gocart mozart

re: #67 gocart mozart

Another PP Arnold one for you, Gocart Mozart! This is a collaboration with UK folks The Beatmasters in 1988. (This was considered a “rave” tune at the time.)

Beatmasters P.P Arnold.-Burn it up

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electrotek  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:18:08pm

Man it’s so fucking hard to keep up with the news. I can’t even find out what the fuck is going on with the whole Cristiano Ronaldo rape allegations.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:18:10pm

That’s a lot of guns.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:18:29pm
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electrotek  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:20:05pm

re: #292 jaunte

[Embedded content]

That’s a lot of guns.

If it’s a white guy as the suspect, the #BlueLivesMatter crowd will be silent yet again.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:23:08pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

For those not in the know..

The Gamera Song, MST3K

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Dave In Austin  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:25:19pm

...

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Dave In Austin  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:29:50pm

Contortrostatin is a drug developed from Copperhead Venom and has been tested in the fight against breast cancer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:34:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:40:27pm

PHOENIX (AP) — An earthen dam in Arizona’s southern desert could fail and flood a small village because the lake behind it is swollen with runoff from the remnants of Tropical Storm Rosa, officials said Wednesday.

Ali Chuk, a Native American community with 162 people on the Tohono O’odham (TOH’-oh-no OH’-tum) Nation reservation, was being evacuated Tuesday night, the tribe’s public safety department said in a statement.

No further details were available Wednesday on the evacuations. Tribal officials planned to inspect the dam and lake by helicopter.

Water levels were within a foot (0.3 meters) of topping Menagers Dam, which could give way and flood Ali Chuk, the National Weather Service said.

The area near the Mexico border got between 3 and 5 inches (8 to 13 centimeters) of rain on Tuesday. Flooding from runoff made roads impassable.

There were no reports Wednesday of additional rain.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:42:40pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:43:00pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

How did Chris Cillizza ever manage to fail upward into a very lucrative job with CNN, and then churn out these asinine pieces every single day? Doesn’t anyone there ever notice how fatuous and pathetic this guy is?

Fatuous and pathetic is big these days and it sells.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:44:21pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

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Gamera is a friend to all children, and must not be eaten.

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electrotek  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:45:39pm

re: #302 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Gamera is a friend to all children, and must not be eaten.

Exactly. He put Guillon in his place 50 years ago.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:45:45pm

re: #301 ObserverArt

Fatuous and pathetic is big these days and it sells.

Both Sides hate him.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:46:15pm
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:49:01pm
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sagehen  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:49:50pm

re: #268 KGxvi

I’m sure plenty of very wealthy people do things like what Fred Trump did. But the thing is, Fred Trump did it in a very hamhanded and clumsy way (at least we know where Donnie got it from). This would have drawn much less attention if he’d simply created some businesses and trusts, where the kids were beneficiaries under the trust, and the trust held the shares of the businesses. But having five year olds on the payroll, and engaging in what is effectively money laundering by upcharging costs (though I think that might have been Don rather than Fred), that’s the sort of shit that should get you into trouble.

The up charging costs wasn’t ONLY about money laundering and tax fraud; it was also about creating documentation to convince the rent control board to let him raise rates on fixed-income seniors who were supposed to have special protection even beyond what’s due ordinary rent-controlled tenants. So he wasn’t just stealing from “the gov’t” or “the taxpayers”, he was stealing from people’s grandmas.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:52:18pm

OK…I have my (super)dumb flip-phone turned off unless I’m leaving the house, because I don’t want to charge it every three days. I turned it on now to see if I got the famous tRump text, and nada.

I get text messages—a few accounts when I change the password (“If you didn’t do this, blah, blah, blah”) and somebody texts me in Romanian a few times a year (dunno what that’s about)—so I was expecting to see a text when I turned the phone on, but nothing, and nothing in the inbox.

Does it only work for “smart” phones? That’s Harry Turtledove’s theory, I notice above.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:52:21pm

Dozens of witnesses. Dozens.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:54:24pm

re: #308 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OK…I have my (super)dumb flip-phone turned off unless I’m leaving the house, because I don’t want to charge it every three days. I turned it on now to see if I got the famous tRump text, and nada.

I get text messages—a few accounts when I change the password (“If you didn’t do this, blah, blah, blah”) and somebody texts me in Romanian a few times a year (dunno what that’s about)—so I was expecting to see a text when I turned the phone on, but nothing, and nothing in the inbox.

Does it only work for “smart” phones? That’s Harry Turtledove’s theory, I notice above.

Yes. It was an alert, not a text message.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:55:21pm

re: #309 makeitstop

Dozens of witnesses. Dozens.

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Either because they already have enough on him, or because it was a sham, and we need to work harder to drain the Republican swamp.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:56:21pm

Cook

“After today’s ratings changes, there are 15 GOP-held seats in Lean or Likely Democratic (including seven incumbents) and Democrats would only need to win 11 of the 31 races in the Toss Up column to flip the majority. There’s still time for political conditions to change, but today the likeliest outcome appears to be a Democratic gain of between 25 and 40 seats (they need 23 for House control).”

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:56:31pm

re: #308 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OK…I have my (super)dumb flip-phone turned off unless I’m leaving the house, because I don’t want to charge it every three days. I turned it on now to see if I got the famous tRump text, and nada.

I get text messages—a few accounts when I change the password (“If you didn’t do this, blah, blah, blah”) and somebody texts me in Romanian a few times a year (dunno what that’s about)—so I was expecting to see a text when I turned the phone on, but nothing, and nothing in the inbox.

Does it only work for “smart” phones? That’s Harry Turtledove’s theory, I notice above.

I have a flip-phone that doesn’t hold its charge as long as it used to, but it’s always on, on my belt, with some onions. I got no alert.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:57:40pm

re: #307 sagehen

The up charging costs wasn’t ONLY about money laundering and tax fraud; it was also about creating documentation to convince the rent control board to let him raise rates on fixed-income seniors who were supposed to have special protection even beyond what’s due ordinary rent-controlled tenants. So he wasn’t just stealing from “the gov’t” or “the taxpayers”, he was stealing from people’s grandmas.

Not surprising at all. I haven’t read the story and have only got bits and pieces from various sources that I wasn’t necessarily completely focused on listening/watching.

What really gets me about Trump is that he had to know all this less than legal shit had to have happened. And that if he ran for (and on the off chance became) president, it would all come out. How dumb/full of hubris must one be to figure “fuck it, let’s do it anyway”?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:58:53pm

re: #305 jaunte

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This is where their lying may catch up with them. The base refuses to believe in Republican voter suppression and intimidation and gerrymandering, so I read that the MI redistricting and automatic registration initiatives and the FL felon reenfranchisement initiative, to name three, are way ahead in the polls.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 3:59:08pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

I have a flip-phone that doesn’t hold its charge as long as it used to, but it’s always on, on my belt, with some onions. I got no alert.

mrs dm has the same phone as i do

we were 15 feet from each other all day (as were our phones)

i got the alert about 20 minutes late
she hasnt yet (im assuming wont)

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:00:22pm

re: #314 KGxvi

Not surprising at all. I haven’t read the story and have only got bits and pieces from various sources that I wasn’t necessarily completely focused on listening/watching.

What really gets me about Trump is that he had to know all this less than legal shit had to have happened. And that if he ran for (and on the off chance became) president, it would all come out. How dumb/full of hubris must one be to figure “fuck it, let’s do it anyway”?

i’ve been saying this for months
and either up thread or the last

- i cant understand how no one in his orbit said dont do this
- if they did then he owns the decision to ram full speed ahead

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:00:56pm

re: #316 dangerman

mrs dm has the same phone as i do

we were 15 feet from each other all day (as were our phones)

i got the alert about 20 minutes late
she hasnt yet (im assuming wont)

Any discontinuities in Space/Time in those 15 feet? If you make a joke, does she laugh 20 minutes later? Do you find yourself laughing at jokes she hasn’t made yet?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:02:24pm

re: #314 KGxvi

Not surprising at all. I haven’t read the story and have only got bits and pieces from various sources that I wasn’t necessarily completely focused on listening/watching.

What really gets me about Trump is that he had to know all this less than legal shit had to have happened. And that if he ran for (and on the off chance became) president, it would all come out. How dumb/full of hubris must one be to figure “fuck it, let’s do it anyway”?

It’s his narcissism, and it’ll be his undoing. There’s been an darkly entertaining element to watching this tragedy play out pretty much as expected. It would be fun if people weren’t being hurt and killed.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:03:30pm

re: #318 Blind Frog Belly White

Any discontinuities in Space/Time in those 15 feet? If you make a joke, does she laugh 20 minutes later? Do you find yourself laughing at jokes she hasn’t made yet?

Pane of slow glass between you?

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:03:52pm

re: #312 dangerman

538 has Rohrabacher and Walters losing. And they’re showing the 39th District to be a coin flip. The GOP losing three House seats in Orange County is kind of a big deal (two are completely in the county, the third is about half in Orange County)

Unfortunately Nunes and Hunter are both still heavy favorites in their districts.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:04:54pm

re: #318 Blind Frog Belly White

Any discontinuities in Space/Time in those 15 feet? If you make a joke, does she laugh 20 minutes later? Do you find yourself laughing at jokes she hasn’t made yet?

I sometimes tell Mr. w that, ‘Just because I didn’t laugh does not mean I didn’t hear you.’ Now I say a weak ‘heh’. That’s short for, ‘heard, but no laugh’.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:04:56pm

..as if this was ever in doubt.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:06:06pm

re: #318 Blind Frog Belly White

Any discontinuities in Space/Time in those 15 feet? If you make a joke, does she laugh 20 minutes later? Do you find yourself laughing at jokes she hasn’t made yet?

- If you make a joke, does she laugh 20 minutes later?
if i dont get the eyeroll i may get the laugh, though sometimes i wait way more than 20 minutes

- Do you find yourself laughing at jokes she hasn’t made yet?
moreso ones she has made, when i think back….. my wife it turns out is a stealth wit. its not often, just enough. she come out with stuff so incisive and out of her normal character that i bow at the feet of greatness

meanwhile i’m telling and retelling the same puns muffin jokes and a grasshopper hops into a bar….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:07:50pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:08:18pm

re: #317 dangerman

i’ve been saying this for months
and either up thread or the last

- i cant understand how no one in his orbit said dont do this
- if they did then he owns the decision to ram full speed ahead

IMO, he never imagined, not even for one second, that he’d actually win. He was angling for an eight-year gig on the Sunday shows as President-in-Exile, like John McCain had….

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:12:09pm

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:13:30pm

re: #326 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

IMO, he never imagined, not even for one second, that he’d actually win. He was angling for an eight-year gig on the Sunday shows as President-in-Exile, like John McCain had….

But then why not run as an independent/third party candidate like he tried in 2000? He probably would have done better than the 7% he was supposedly polling back then.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:13:35pm
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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:13:51pm

Welp, I read the NYT story on the Drumpf family finances on hard-copy today and it is just amazeballs.

It’s crime-family level financial fiddling and appears to have put north of $430 million dollars into DJT’s pockets without being declared and/or taxed at actual value.

He’s been a shyster since he was Three. Fucking. Years. Old because of the trusts his father set up for his kids.

It’s actually a breathtaking level of graft.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:14:41pm

re: #325 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Republicans will say that her friend would lie for her, but the ex-boyfriend who wrote the letter bitching about her cheating on him - HIM, you can trust.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:15:51pm

re: #330 austin_blue

Welp, I read the NYT story on the Drumpf family finances on hard-copy today and it is just amazeballs.

It’s crime-family level financial fiddling and appears to have put north of $430 million dollars into DJT’s pockets without being declared and/or taxed at actual value.

He’s been a shyster since he was Three. Fucking. Years. Old because of the trusts his father set up for his kids.

It’s actually a breathtaking level of graft.

But he’s good old-fashioned American, pulled himself all the way up with his own bootstraps. How DARE you criticize the second coming of White American Jesus?!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:18:19pm
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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:18:25pm

re: #326 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

IMO, he never imagined, not even for one second, that he’d actually win. He was angling for an eight-year gig on the Sunday shows as President-in-Exile, like John McCain had….

i get that part
though up until this last election the press tore into everyone’s background long before they even declared
and well before anyone was singled out by winning the nomination

in foresight, the risk should have been there when he started to run - even if he lost the primaries

in hindsight, the press quit the job

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:19:43pm

re: #328 KGxvi

But then why not run as an independent/third party candidate like he tried in 2000? He probably would have done better than the 7% he was supposedly polling back then.

Would that feed narcissism like taking over the entire Republican party?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:23:45pm

re: #328 KGxvi

But then why not run as an independent/third party candidate like he tried in 2000? He probably would have done better than the 7% he was supposedly polling back then.

If John McCain had run as a third party candidate in 2008, would he have been on Press the Meat every Sunday for eight years?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:25:07pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

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I suspect a lot of that is that the Right has a much more limited number of sources of news, so everyone on the Right hits all of those, whereas the rest of us get news from a much broader range of sites.

It’s like how Fox News is simultaneously the most trusted and least trusted news source - all the wingnuts say they trust it most, while everyone else spreads ‘most trusted’ over a number of different sources. Then when asked which source they trust least, everyone who isn’t a wingnut says Fix, and wingnuts split their votes among MSNBC, CNN, broadcast news sources, the NYT, Washpost, etc.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:28:51pm

re: #336 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If John McCain had run as a third party candidate in 2008, would he have been on Press the Meat every Sunday for eight years?

No, of course not. But that’s because McCain was a life long Republican. Of course, if he would have gone independent in say 2005, as a protest against treatment of POWs, it might have gone differently (see: Lieberman, Joe). Point is, McCain was already in the system at that point, and had been for decades.

Trump was getting on Larry King all the time back in the day, and a third party/independent run would have cemented his standing as not your typical politician.

re: #335 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Would that feed narcissism like taking over the entire Republican party?

It all depends on how you frame it after the inevitable loss. He could tell the story of being his own man and how the corrupt two party swamp worked together to keep this true voice of the people out. He then has the ability to throw turds at both sides, while being used as a figurehead for the alt-right.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:29:07pm

Is there any such thing as an IRS audit being “routine”?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:30:12pm

BTW, Nate Cohn and Nate Silver both say that they don’t see any increase in how likely GOP voters are to vote, relative to before Kavanaugh.

The Right always votes. It’s the Left that tends not to show up. It’s an article of faith on the Right that Romney lost because Conservatives didn’t show up at the polls, but Im not sure there’s data to back that up. If they were going to show up anyway, increased enthusiasm isn’t gonna do much.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:30:15pm

re: #332 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

But he’s good old-fashioned American, pulled himself all the way up with his own bootstraps. How DARE you criticize the second coming of White American Jesus?!

Well, of course you are correct. I shall now hie me hence to Big Brother’s re-education center so that I can get a check-up from the neck up and a modification of my synaptical response to outright theft by a family which should be up for RICO prosecution, or at least recovery of several hundreds millions of $s of back taxes.

I’ll be back with a cheerful “Nothing to see here, folks! Can we just move on, now?”

Oh, and by the way, Drumf’s sister, a Federal Judge was in in it up to her judicial neck.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:30:32pm

re: #339 Ace Rothstein

Is there any such thing as an IRS audit being “routine”?

Hasn’t it been since Nixon that the president’s tax returns are automatically subject to audit?

And, I suspect once you’ve been audited, you’re probably more likely to get audited again.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:39:10pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:43:37pm

re: #339 Ace Rothstein

Is there any such thing as an IRS audit being “routine”?

Technically, yes. However, considering that audits are driven by irregularities in the paperwork, the instigation of an audit is always, by definition, “not routine”. That doesn’t mean that the audit itself can’t just be a simple matter of clarifying some questions and resolving accidental discrepancies.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:44:05pm

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

BTW, Nate Cohn and Nate Silver both say that they don’t see any increase in how likely GOP voters are to vote, relative to before Kavanaugh.

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The Right always votes. It’s the Left that tends not to show up. It’s an article of faith on the Right that Romney lost because Conservatives didn’t show up at the polls, but Im not sure there’s data to back that up. If they were going to show up anyway, increased enthusiasm isn’t gonna do much.

All numbers from wikipedia (because I am lazy), so take it for what you will:

2012 - 55% turnout, Obama 65.9m, Romney 60.9m
2008 - 58% turnout, Obama 69.5m, McCain 59.9m
2004 - 56.7% turnout, Bush 62m, Kerry 59m
2000 - 51% turnout, Bush 50.4m, Gore 50.99m

2016 - 55.7% turnout, Trump 62.9m, Clinton 65.8m

Obama was able to turn out way more voters than anyone else since 2000. Trump, Romney, and McCain’s numbers are all, more or less, in line with Bush’s turnout in 2004, when factoring in things like the state of the economy and population growth. For Romney to have beat Obama (at least in the popular vote), he’d need to have turnout up about 5% and it all go to him - highly unlikely.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:45:03pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:45:39pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:54:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 4:57:32pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:05:33pm

They’ve always been deplorable. They finally removed their mask.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:09:45pm
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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:11:27pm

re: #348 Single-handed sailor

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Wait, what?

Nobody asked him how a house down-payment, $200 large in “baseball tickets”, and a $90 large country club membership payment magically disappeared?

Boy, howdy, this Drumpf Admin has taken Extreme Vetting to new heights, eh?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:12:20pm

The fix has been in from the start.

And there will be a backlash where people lose all confidence in the court system.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:12:31pm

Great article

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:16:50pm

re: #353 Joe Bacon 🌹

The fix has been in from the start.

And there will be a backlash where people lose all confidence in the court system.

Hell, in the whole federal government apparatus. I mean, the executive branch appointed him, the legislative branch confirmed him, and all over the objections of We, the People. What’s that say about the way our country is run?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:17:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:19:22pm
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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:21:50pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:25:27pm

I hope there are large scale protests planned if Kavanagh gets confirmed.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:26:04pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:26:16pm

Why do I get on FB arguments? Total trump supporter is ok with putting kids in prison because their parents committed a crime. Plus Obama did the same thing. The usual BS. Why?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:29:42pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:29:50pm

re: #361 I Would Prefer Not To

Because we can sew consternation among our opponents and enemies.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:30:47pm

re: #350 Single-handed sailor

I’ve said before that the hardest thing for people to do is admit they are wrong, and, like he said, the worse he gets, they more they’re willing to put up with so they don’t have to admit it.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:33:10pm

re: #363 Unshaken Defiance

Because we can sew consternation among our opponents and enemies.

I don’t think I did that. I only annoy myself. conservatives never give on anything.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:35:17pm

re: #361 I Would Prefer Not To

Why do I get on FB arguments? Total trump supporter is ok with putting kids in prison because their parents committed a crime. Plus Obama did the same thing. The usual BS. Why?

“Obama did it, too.”
“So now you agree with him? Is it right because two presidents did it?”

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:36:34pm

re: #351 jaunte

Big city paper in Red State says no on Kavanaugh.

Is it heard at all in the state?

Good of them to write that though. Wish there would be more.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:36:35pm

How do you deal with a loved one who is a devout BOATHE SEIDES!!!1!!!!!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:36:49pm

re: #366 Belafon

“Obama did it, too.”
“So now you agree with him? Is it right because two presidents did it?”

of course,
but Obama didn’t do it, but that doesn’t matter.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:36:50pm
The nation’s largest group of Christian churches on Wednesday called for the withdrawal of Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination for the Supreme Court.

The National Council of Churches, which represents 38 denominations in the US, wrote in a statement on their website that they believe Kavanaugh has “disqualified himself from this lifetime appointment and must step aside immediately.”

thehill.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:37:03pm

re: #361 I Would Prefer Not To

Why do I get on FB arguments? Total trump supporter is ok with putting kids in prison because their parents committed a crime. Plus Obama did the same thing. The usual BS. Why?

Ask them if they think children should be incarcerated if their parents have a speeding ticket to any other misdemeanor. There’s so much ignorance on immigration law from the right and Trump and FNC are directly responsible for a lot of it.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:37:03pm
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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:38:00pm

re: #369 I Would Prefer Not To

of course,
but Obama didn’t do it, but that doesn’t matter.

I was originally going to go with “No, Obama didn’t do it” but I thought “you’re agreeing with Obama?” would be a more interesting route.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:38:18pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

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Thankfully no!!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:39:04pm

re: #373 Belafon

I was originally going to go with “No, Obama didn’t do it” but I thought “you’re agreeing with Obama?” would be a more interesting route.

It is. Yes, it is.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:39:37pm

re: #373 Belafon

I was originally going to go with “No, Obama didn’t do it” but I thought “you’re agreeing with Obama?” would be a more interesting route.

Forget that, I want to know why punishing kids over their parents committing something akin to a speeding or parking violation is acceptable to the same people who think they shouldn’t have to vaccinate their kids.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:40:27pm

All these great cuts from P.P.!

Haven’t heard them in years. But it’s nice to hear singing that puts a glide in my stride and a dip in my hip!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:40:33pm

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Forget that, I want to know why punishing kids over their parents committing something akin to a speeding or parking violation is acceptable to the same people who think they shouldn’t have to vaccinate their kids.

Because “the sins of the father will be visited onto the son, even to the seventh generation.” Or whatever that kooky borderline OT bullshit that they quote is that they use to justify whenever they punish kids for something their parents have done.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:41:36pm

re: #378 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Because “the sins of the father will be visited onto the son, even to the seventh generation.” Or whatever that kooky borderline OT bullshit that they quote is that they use to justify whenever they punish kids for something their parents have done.

Yeah you’re probably right. Sigh I hate these retrograde bastards.I really lost my temper bad today with a loved one because I think so much of Trump’s bullshit is getting to me.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:42:28pm

re: #372 gocart mozart

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Please proceed, ladies and gentleman. Please proceed in your recovery efforts for the people of the State of New York.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:43:30pm
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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:43:51pm
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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:46:09pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, well, it was said by a guy named “Tucker Carlson”, not Jimbo Williams.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:46:26pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

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Who knew that Tucker was a Marxist? But who also knew that the Swanson frozen food heir who is going to bat for a guy whose actions happened literally when he went to a school called Georgetown Prep working class. And I see Lou Dobbs and his Ivy League background is tehre too. WTF do these guys actually know about the working class. I admit. I’ve never been working class but I’ve known a hell a lot more people who lived that life than they have.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:46:36pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

When Kavanaugh joins the majority in declaring Medicare and Social Security unconstitutional, it’ll all be for the working class, right, Lou?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:46:54pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

Who knew “working class” meant going to one of the nation’s most expensive prep schools, then to Yale?

“Working Class” means Republicans, because only they have jobs—DemonRats live on Free Stuff™ they provide.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:49:25pm

re: #385 Belafon

When Kavanaugh joins the majority in declaring Medicare and Social Security unconstitutional, it’ll all be for the working class, right, Lou?

That’ll be different. // Because something something. Really, it’s hilarious to see Tucker using a dumb man’s Marxist analysis of this story. Kavanaugh is literally an alumni of a school called Georgetown Prep. Georgetown for those of you who don’t know is the most affluent part of D.C. Remember the Exorcist? Yep that’s Georgetown. And prep? I don’t even need to explain that. There is nothing working class about Brett Kavanaugh at all. The man’s grandfather went to Yale. Meanwhile my own grandfather didn’t graduate high school but because I’m a liberal, I’m an “elite” to a network owned by an Aussie billionaire.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:50:24pm

I don’t even think conservatives like Tucker, Dobbs, Hannity, etc believe in anything anymore. They just hate the left and whatever we don’t like or like, they either like or hate.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:50:31pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:51:20pm

re: #387 HappyWarrior

My grandfathers, I don’t know their educational history, but I know they didn’t even enter college, let alone graduate. If you want to talk about bootstrapping, my family is the epitome of the American Dream (helped along by a generous serving of white privilege, of course). But like you, I’m a “liberal elitist”.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:51:40pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

I don’t even think conservatives like Tucker, Dobbs, Hannity, etc believe in anything anymore. They just hate the left and whatever we don’t like or like, they either like or hate.

They only believe in maintaining power.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:52:49pm
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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:54:54pm

re: #392 jaunte

The tl;dr of Douthat’s piece is that the other kids are just jealous of Bart.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:56:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:56:41pm

re: #390 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My grandfathers, I don’t know their educational history, but I know they didn’t even enter college, let alone graduate. If you want to talk about bootstrapping, my family is the epitome of the American Dream (helped along by a generous serving of white privilege, of course). But like you, I’m a “liberal elitist”.

Now my dad’s father did graduate but he’s the only of my four grandparents who did. But he still worked his way from the ground up at the NLRB.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:56:57pm

re: #391 Belafon

They only believe in maintaining power.

Yep.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 5:59:46pm

I know a lot of you don’t want TV much any more, but I can tell you there’s something that’s happening on there that I’m sure is driving the GOP mad. You need to watch a lot of TV commercials. For a long time, the commercials were generally only white people. After a while, they started putting whites and blacks together - a white couple and a black couple at a restaurant, or maybe the black family is visiting their white friends. Now, though, a large percentage, way larger than the population at large, features couples, and sometimes families, where one adult is white, and the other black (the SlingTV one with Dr. Ruth is the most recent one I saw). Amazon even had two commercials last Christmas featuring the same family, with a (goofy) white dad, a black mom, and their kids.

I’m sure this is eating at a lot of Republicans. And no matter what they try, we’re not going back.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:01:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:01:37pm
400
Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:01:50pm

I’m pretty sure there is a presidential precedence for hiring prostitutes. Move along nothing to see here.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:02:27pm

re: #397 Belafon

I know a lot of you don’t want TV much any more, but I can tell you there’s something that’s happening on there that I’m sure is driving the GOP mad. You need to watch a lot of TV commercials. For a long time, the commercials were generally only white people. After a while, they started putting whites and blacks together - a white couple and a black couple at a restaurant, or maybe the black family is visiting their white friends. Now, though, a large percentage, way larger than the population at large, features couples, and sometimes families, where one adult is white, and the other black (the SlingTV one with Dr. Ruth is the most recent one I saw). Amazon even had two commercials last Christmas featuring the same family, with a (goofy) white dad, a black mom, and their kids.

I’m sure this is eating at a lot of Republicans. And no matter what they try, we’re not going back.

This is why they’re all babbling about “white genocide.” Their power is slipping away and they’re getting desperate.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:02:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:05:44pm

re: #402 jaunte

[Embedded content]

The more I learn about Kavanaugh the more furious I am that he rose through the ranks and had the influence he did. He’s like if Forrest Gump had a negative impact on US history.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:06:10pm

re: #402 jaunte

Pretty sure that horse has already left the barn. The Republicans are just determined to put him on the Court to prove that they can, and that no matter what we want, they have all the power and we don’t. The funny thing is, it may wind up costing them every bit of that power because they’re too short-sighted to see the damage that this fight is doing to them.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:06:24pm

re: #397 Belafon

I know a lot of you don’t want TV much any more, but I can tell you there’s something that’s happening on there that I’m sure is driving the GOP mad. You need to watch a lot of TV commercials. For a long time, the commercials were generally only white people. After a while, they started putting whites and blacks together - a white couple and a black couple at a restaurant, or maybe the black family is visiting their white friends. Now, though, a large percentage, way larger than the population at large, features couples, and sometimes families, where one adult is white, and the other black (the SlingTV one with Dr. Ruth is the most recent one I saw). Amazon even had two commercials last Christmas featuring the same family, with a (goofy) white dad, a black mom, and their kids.

I’m sure this is eating at a lot of Republicans. And no matter what they try, we’re not going back.

Did you watch Apple’s iPhone/Watch event last month? Every picture they showed seemed calculated to do the bigots one in the eye—on direct orders from Tim Cook, I’m willing to bet.

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:06:26pm

re: #397 Belafon

I know a lot of you don’t want TV much any more, but I can tell you there’s something that’s happening on there that I’m sure is driving the GOP mad. You need to watch a lot of TV commercials. For a long time, the commercials were generally only white people. After a while, they started putting whites and blacks together - a white couple and a black couple at a restaurant, or maybe the black family is visiting their white friends. Now, though, a large percentage, way larger than the population at large, features couples, and sometimes families, where one adult is white, and the other black (the SlingTV one with Dr. Ruth is the most recent one I saw). Amazon even had two commercials last Christmas featuring the same family, with a (goofy) white dad, a black mom, and their kids.

I’m sure this is eating at a lot of Republicans. And no matter what they try, we’re not going back.

There are subtle same sex relationships in some commercials too. It has all been going on for some time.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:07:56pm
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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:08:18pm

re: #404 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Pretty sure that horse has already left the barn. The Republicans are just determined to put him on the Court to prove that they can, and that no matter what we want, they have all the power and we don’t. The funny thing is, it may wind up costing them every bit of that power because they’re too short-sighted to see the damage that this fight is doing to them.

Because they’re counting on Kavanaugh to help them retain power.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:09:01pm

re: #407 Charles Johnson

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Some of us were here to watch you do it, too. In case anyone doubts your CSB.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:09:42pm

re: #409 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Some of us were here to watch you do it, too. In case anyone doubts your CSB.

The GOP will make sure the FBI avoids all of us.

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:10:04pm

re: #407 Charles Johnson

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The Times, eh?

I don’t think I’ve read that part of the story. Hint.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:14:12pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:15:26pm

re: #412 Charles Johnson

And for all that, the right wing still complains about how “left-biased” the mainstream media is. I mean, look at how they have treated Trump and Kavanaugh - with fucking kid gloves. If this were truly “fair and balanced” media? Those two would have been thrown through the fucking wringer by now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:17:26pm

re: #400 Single-handed sailor

[Embedded content]

I’m pretty sure there is a presidential precedence for hiring prostitutes. Move along nothing to see here.

well, there’s certainly Secret Service precedence for that.
and in Colombia, too.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:18:07pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I have not been alerted.
Is that good, or bad?

Nor was I (AT&T).

I call that a good day.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:19:38pm

re: #412 Charles Johnson

I let a Times reporter interview me in my home, and then he went to Pamela Freaking Geller for a derogatory quote about me. And he wanted to use false accusations from outright stalkers until I threatened to sue if he did.

Not sure if it was he same article, but I learned about LGF from a Times article. Thank you NY Times. Without LGF I would be in a political desert arguing trump supporters on FB.

417
MsJ  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:20:16pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m the only person in America who thinks it’s pretty fucking outrageous that the government can send messages to our phones that we can’t turn off.

I assure you that you are not the only one.

But I didn’t get it so there’s that. I’m not sure if I should be happy or pissed at the incompetence. I’m going with both.

418
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:20:19pm

re: #416 I Would Prefer Not To

Not sure if it was he same article, but I learned about LGF from a Times article. Thank you NY Times. Without LGF I would be in a political desert arguing trump supporters on FB.

In those days, LGF and Charles specifically were mentioned a few times in the NYT, mostly due to the ongoing kerfuffle about the Throbbing Memo.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:21:45pm

I am still not sure why I didn’t get the stupid alert message.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:22:48pm

re: #418 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In those days, LGF and Charles specifically were mentioned a few times in the NYT, mostly due to the ongoing kerfuffle about the Throbbing Memo.

I think it was a profile of LGF. Don’t remember it being negative of Charles. I registered in 2011, but was a lurker for a while prior. (In the olden days we wore onions on our belts and to wait to register).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:24:41pm

re: #419 William Lewis

I am still not sure why I didn’t get the stupid alert message.

All smart phones should have gotten it. The next time it’s used, to warn us about the giant radioactive ants, you’re not going to know why people are running and screaming.

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:24:46pm

Rachel Maddow just said the Portland ME newspaper wrote an editorial asking for a no to Kavanaugh as a Supreme.

Message sent to Susan Collins.

Also 650 of the nation’s law professors sent a letter to the Senate urging a no on Kavanaugh.

Mitch is going to be pissing off a lot of organizations with his shove-through of their Brett.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:25:00pm

re: #50 Hecuba’s daughter

At least it appears that if your phone is muted, you don’t hear the alarm.

Why I didn’t get it in AT&T perhaps is that I’m roaming in Canada (as always). I’m on CDN WiFi.

I did get one from Canada the other day. It made an ungodly sound. My phone was on mute at the time. It scared the crap out of me.

424
Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:25:19pm

re: #419 William Lewis

I didn’t get it either.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:26:18pm

re: #417 MsJ

I assure you that you are not the only one.

But I didn’t get it so there’s that. I’m not sure if I should be happy or pissed at the incompetence. I’m going with both.

Back in 2011, when they tested the switchover to the Emergency Alert Service on TV and radio, DirecTV was using an unused channel to broadcast their signal, which also happened to be carrying Lady Gaga’s Paparazzi at the same time, so people heard that song as well: en.wikipedia.org.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:26:28pm

re: #424 Skip Intro

I didn’t get it either.

When you see people running and screaming, run with them. They got the message.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:27:19pm

OMG OMG OMG OMG THEY YELLED AT US AT THE AIRPORT & CALLED US MEAN NAMES!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:28:20pm

re: #422 ObserverArt

Rachel Maddow just said the Portland ME newspaper wrote an editorial asking for a no to Kavanaugh as a Supreme.

Message sent to Susan Collins.

Also 650 of the nation’s law professors sent a letter to the Senate urging a no on Kavanaugh.

Mitch is going to be pissing off a lot of organizations with his shove-through of their Brett.

And, the National Council of Churches also urged a no vote: #370.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:29:29pm

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

OMG OMG OMG OMG THEY YELLED AT US AT THE AIRPORT & CALLED US MEAN NAMES!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG

[Embedded content]

“Brett Kavanaugh attacked you, too?!!”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:30:01pm

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

OMG OMG OMG OMG THEY YELLED AT US AT THE AIRPORT & CALLED US MEAN NAMES!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG

[Embedded content]

Aren’t you the people who don’t want the government to do anything> Maybe your husband shouldn’t be a fucking Russian stooge if he doesn’t want to get yelled at. Oh and maybe you forgot but your husband was part of something called the Tea Party wave when Democrats got much more shit than your husband ever has all because they wanted to make health care more affordable.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:30:11pm

re: #429 Belafon

“Brett Kavanaugh attacked you, too?!!”

Oh man burn.

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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:31:30pm

re: #426 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I like that I didn’t get the message. I was thinking of getting a new phone but now I’m keeping the one with TrumpBlock.

433
Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:31:48pm

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

OMG OMG OMG OMG THEY YELLED AT US AT THE AIRPORT & CALLED US MEAN NAMES!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG

[Embedded content]

But fuck that crazy Muslim Obama guy and his family.

434
BigPapa  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:32:28pm

You Up?

435
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:34:17pm

Voter Suppression Is Deeply Embedded in the Republican Party. Brett Kavanaugh Helped Put It There.

So did Don McGahn. There’s a reason one is shepherding the other onto the Supreme Court.

436
jaunte  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:34:39pm

So the Republican-controlled Senate Judiciary committee is taking advantage of confidentiality requirements to lie to the entire US citizenry about no hint of alcohol or sexual abuse appearing in the earlier six FBI background checks.
And the Democrats are still playing by the rules.

437
HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:35:33pm

re: #435 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Voter Suppression Is Deeply Embedded in the Republican Party. Brett Kavanaugh Helped Put It There.

It seems like he’s been everywhere that I was reminded “Yeah I’m glad I’m not a fucking Republican.”

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:36:49pm

re: #436 jaunte

You mean the letter Durbin released:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:40:17pm

re: #432 Skip Intro

I like that I didn’t get the message. I was thinking of getting a new phone but now I’m keeping the one with TrumpBlock.

You’re taking a chance there. I hope the ants don’t get you.
So far this is just a professional message from FEMA to test a system. If I get even one alert that abuses the system, I’ll join the outraged people, and also flash the ROM on my phone to shut that shit down.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:41:09pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:50:17pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2018 • 6:52:46pm

Thinking about the mid terms, #metoo, and where Trump is trying to take us. Anthem with an edge. Just for us commie progressives that dare to make an issue of empathy for our fellow human beings.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 7:20:22pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Ask them if they think children should be incarcerated if their parents have a speeding ticket to any other misdemeanor. There’s so much ignorance on immigration law from the right and Trump and FNC are directly responsible for a lot of it.

Ask them if they think they should go to jail for something their parents did

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 7:28:24pm

re: #419 William Lewis

I am still not sure why I didn’t get the stupid alert message.

Clean living?

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2018 • 7:30:09pm

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

OMG OMG OMG OMG THEY YELLED AT US AT THE AIRPORT & CALLED US MEAN NAMES!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG

[Embedded content]

Hey Mrs Paul,

Talk to Dr ford

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 8:23:37pm

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

Mrs. FBW’s Mom was lefthanded, but she was a child just when that came out, and they tried to ‘cure’ her. Might have made her dyslexic.

Mrs. FBW is righthanded, but sufficiently adept with her left hand* that she was able to train herself to write upside down and backwards with her left hand, nearly as neatly as she writes upright with her right hand.

*[small] And bored as fuck in high school[/smal]

I am right-handed, so much so I almost can do nothing with my left hand. My sister is left-handed, and was constantly bashed by our grandparents for religious reasons to eat with her right hand. I was as well, because I also eat in the same fashion.

Our public schools also did the same thing at lunch, and for the same reason (religion).


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St. Vincent - Slow Slow Disco (Audio)Songs are living things. They grow, they evolve, they change their moods and personalities over time. The latest version of 'Slow Disco' originally found on MASSEDUCTION. Upcoming Live Shows: ilovestvincent.com Connect with St. Vincent:instagram.com@st_vincentfacebook.com
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