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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:08:28pm

Has there ever been a SCOTUS nominee whose confirmation has come down to the VP having to make a tie breaking vote?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:13:17pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Has there ever been a SCOTUS nominee whose confirmation has come down to the VP having to make a tie breaking vote?

Not that I know of and I hope it doesn’t happen with this sob.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:13:31pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

No.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:16:09pm

Welp…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:17:24pm

re: #4 Interesting Times

Welp…

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And yet Glenn Greenwald is somewhere sipping on a cold drink in Brazil saying la la la la I am not listening to you.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:19:47pm

re: #4 Interesting Times

Welp…

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Is that the same John McAfee that’s been in the news?

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:20:17pm

No. Clarence “Gatemouth” Thomas was confirmed on a 52-48 vote. Closest ever.

At this point, given the upcoming elections, I expect 10-15 Republican Senators to vote against Kavanaugh.

I could be completely wrong, of course, but I think at this point he is so toxic to the brand, and so toxic to the structure of the House and Senate, that he is dead meat.

In fact, I don’t think Turtleneck will bring up his vote to the Senate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:21:07pm
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mmmirele  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:21:20pm

The suitcase is zipped up and I’m waiting for my electronic gear to finish charging before I shove all the cords into my backpack. I’m going to Japan in the morning! And I know exactly four words in Japanese: hai, konnichiwa, arigato gozaimasu and kawaii. I’m pathetic, I know.

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retired cynic  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:21:20pm

re: #7 austin_blue

fingers crossed, knock wood!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:22:04pm

re: #7 austin_blue

No. Clarence “Gatemouth” Thomas was confirmed on a 52-48 vote. Closest ever.

At this point, given the upcoming elections, I expect 10-15 Republican Senators to vote against Kavanaugh.

I could be completely wrong, of course, but I think at this point he is so toxic to the brand, and so toxic to the structure of the House and Senate, that he is dead meat.

In fact, I don’t think Turtleneck will bring up his vote to the Senate.

I hope you’re right. I also hope that Mitch doesn’t have a sleazy Plan B in Barrett and then to accuse all the Dems of being sexist who will of course be led by mostly be women warning about her extreme views on women’s issues.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:23:39pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s refreshing to see. Why the hell do some people care so goddamn much? it’s such a stupid thing to get offended over but then again this same woman probably loses her shit over retailers wishing a Happy Holidays too.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:25:02pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

That’s refreshing to see. Why the hell do some people care so goddamn much? it’s such a stupid thing to get offended over but then again this same woman probably loses her shit over retailers wishing a Happy Holidays too.

This winter, we should say Feliz Navidad all the time. Two birds with one stone.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:25:48pm

That said as bad as Barrett is, I’d probably take her over Kavanaugh though she herself is pretty bad in herself.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:26:11pm

re: #13 Belafon

This winter, we should say Feliz Navidad all the time. Two birds with one stone.

Oooh I like that!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:26:31pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

And yet Glenn Greenwald is somewhere sipping on a cold drink in Brazil saying la la la la I am not listening to you.

He sold out to Putin and got his twenty rubles of silver.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:27:42pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

He sold out to Putin and got his twenty rubles of silver.

I know, that’s what I’m saying. He doesn’t give a fuck.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:28:18pm

re: #7 austin_blue

No. Clarence “Gatemouth” Thomas was confirmed on a 52-48 vote. Closest ever.

At this point, given the upcoming elections, I expect 10-15 Republican Senators to vote against Kavanaugh.

I could be completely wrong, of course, but I think at this point he is so toxic to the brand, and so toxic to the structure of the House and Senate, that he is dead meat.

In fact, I don’t think Turtleneck will bring up his vote to the Senate.

Arrrrgh, don’t say things like this, it’s just begging to be a jinx!!!

(srsly tho, the only thing I feel comfortable saying with 100% certainty is that 48 GOPers are guaranteed “yes” votes - they’re way the hell too far up the orange ass to ever find their way out).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:28:18pm

re: #9 mmmirele

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:28:42pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I hope you’re right. I also hope that Mitch doesn’t have a sleazy Plan B in Barrett and then to accuse all the Dems of being sexist who will of course be led by mostly be women warning about her extreme views on women’s issues.

I don’t know how he could spin it. Kavanaugh is a mean drunk, woman assaulting, motherfucking frat boy who never grew up.

As such, he is the perfect Drumpf addition for the SCOTUS, but he is a disaster to the rest of the R Party, who are hanging on by their fingernails in the Senate, and have probably lost the House.

When you have to cut your losses, do it by killing the weakest of the herd.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:28:46pm

re: #7 austin_blue

No. Clarence “Gatemouth” Thomas was confirmed on a 52-48 vote. Closest ever.

At this point, given the upcoming elections, I expect 10-15 Republican Senators to vote against Kavanaugh.

I could be completely wrong, of course, but I think at this point he is so toxic to the brand, and so toxic to the structure of the House and Senate, that he is dead meat.

In fact, I don’t think Turtleneck will bring up his vote to the Senate.

McConnell just filed for cloture. Motion to proceed on Friday, full vote on Saturday. It’s happening.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:30:45pm

re: #20 austin_blue

I don’t know how he could spin it. Kavanaugh is a mean drunk, woman assaulting, motherfucking frat boy who never grew up.

As such, he is the perfect Drumpf addition the the SCOTUS, but he is a disaster to the rest of the R Party, who are hanging on by their fingernails in the Senate, and have probably lost the House.

When you have to cut your losses, do it by killing the weakest of the herd.

Yeah I don’t either. I hope it goes down in flames and the R base feels betrayed and stays home.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:31:18pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

McConnell just filed for cloture. Motion to proceed on Friday, full vote on Saturday. It’s happening.

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So we’ll know soon.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:32:30pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Oooh I like that!

Now that I think about it, and did some searching, felices fiestas is better. Far closer to happy holidays. Navidad is nativity. As I am still learning Spanish, I will have to consult with someone to make sure it’s correct.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:33:10pm

re: #20 austin_blue

I don’t know how he could spin it. Kavanaugh is a mean drunk, woman assaulting, motherfucking frat boy who never grew up.

As such, he is the perfect Drumpf addition the the SCOTUS, but he is a disaster to the rest of the R Party, who are hanging on by their fingernails in the Senate, and have probably lost the House.

When you have to cut your losses, do it by killing the weakest of the herd.

I wish that was true but then I see the latest Quinnipiac poll showing the Republican base energizing over this. And Republican women are marching lock step with the Party to put this ass on the Court.

I still believe there will be a major backlash with folks losing confidence in the courts when he gets on.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:36:06pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

McConnell just filed for cloture. Motion to proceed on Friday, full vote on Saturday. It’s happening.

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I think he is just saying ‘put up or shut up’ to his members. I think he is going to be horribly surprised by the result. I don’t think he has the votes. The Rs are terrified of this election in November. And they should be.

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retired cynic  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:36:56pm

re: #26 austin_blue

Oh, man, I hope you are right!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:37:42pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon 🌹

I wish that was true but then I see the latest Quinnipiac poll showing the Republican base energizing over this. And Republican women are marching lock step with the Party to put this ass on the Court.

I still believe there will be a major backlash with folks losing confidence in the courts when he gets on.

I was really upest to see that and one of my above the two party system was fretting about it and I just felt like saying “Dude, you complain that the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans every chance you get.” but I wasn’t in a mood for a political fight especially since I was busy af at work.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:38:26pm

re: #9 mmmirele

The suitcase is zipped up and I’m waiting for my electronic gear to finish charging before I shove all the cords into my backpack. I’m going to Japan in the morning! And I know exactly four words in Japanese: hai, konnichiwa, arigato gozaimasu and kawaii. I’m pathetic, I know.

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sumimasen = excuse me, sorry.
arigatou gozaimasu = polite way to say thank you.
nihongo ga wakarimasen = I do not understand japanese
hai = yes
iie = no
onegaishimasu = please

probably the most useful bits for a gaijin to know. And about all I remember from 1985 O_o

Enjoy!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:40:41pm

I just hope the left is ready for the bots to try to fuck us by sowing division. Eyes on the prize.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:40:52pm

re: #26 austin_blue

I think he is just saying ‘put up or shut up’ to his members. I think he is going to be horribly surprised by the result. I don’t think he has the votes. The Rs are terrified of this election in November. And they should be.

I don’t predict things anymore but that said I think Murkowski ends up being the only GOP no vote, and only out of pure electoral expedience given her reliance on Alaskan native support. I think Senate Republicans are far more horrified by what happens if Trump’s base perceives them as having caved.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:43:01pm

Excellent thread with organizing/protest/pushback info (it started Tuesday, but he added more tweets on Wednesday):

I would also suggest following celeste_pewter:

She’s got lots of scripts and info for the purpose of calling senators.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:43:08pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

I don’t predict things anymore but that said I think Murkowski ends up being the only GOP no vote, and only out of pure electoral expedience given her reliance on Alaskan native votes. I think Senate Republicans are far more horrified by what happens if Trump’s base perceives them as having caved.

Of course, Flake isn’t facing another election. So if there were ever a time for him to do what’s right, it’s now. (Who am I kidding? He won’t vote No unless his vote is meaningless).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:43:16pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

I don’t predict things anymore but that said I think Murkowski ends up being the only GOP no vote, and only out of pure electoral expedience given her reliance on Alaskan native votes. I think Senate Republicans are far more horrified by what happens if Trump’s base perceives them as having caved.

What about those leaving i.e. Flake? But unfortunately, I think you’re right ultimately. The country is against Kavanaugh but the GOP base firmly with him and that’s our paradox and why we haven’t been able to get real progress and why Mitch is the shitbird he is. The fucking Republican base. Not that I’m excusing the Republican leadership at all in making them the way they are. They own this by not being honest about them that Barack Obama wasn’t a threat to them. They instead played that shit for all it’s worth and it’s why we have a lot of the misfit toys we do in Congress.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:45:14pm

re: #27 retired cynic

Oh, man, I hope you are right!

Me, too.

I’m the eternal optimist as a political commentator, but my Dog, the women of this country are mad as hell and rightly so. Men in the political world just discount women as “Meh”, but I think they are completely misreading that demographic.

I think suburban women are going to vote heavily and vote heavily for Democratic candidates.

Like Beto.

Cruz needs to be very afraid, and, by the way, his social media and TV commercials just suck ass.

At the same time, Beto’s run is absolutely Quixotic. We’ll see.

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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:45:44pm

re: #7 austin_blue

There are only 9 Rethugs running. 10 to 15 flips is a pipe dream. There might be one, but only if that vote isn’t needed.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:47:21pm

I can even imagine Heidkamp, McKaskill, Manchin and another red state dem cutting a deal with Sasse, Flake, Collins and Murkowski that “if you vote no on Kavanaugh, I’ll vote yes on Amy Coney Barrett.”

It would make a point that the D’s objections are about this nominee in particular, not every single conservative ever. And the R’s would get to preen about taking public sentiment and women’s safety seriously.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:49:32pm

re: #37 sagehen

I can even imagine Heidkamp, McKaskill, Manchin and another red state dem cutting a deal with Sasse, Flake, Collins and Murkowski that “if you vote no on Kavanaugh, I’ll vote yes on Amy Coney Barrett.”

It would make a point that the D’s objections are about this nominee in particular, not every single conservative ever. And the R’s would get to preen about taking public sentiment and women’s safety seriously.

I hate the idea of Barrett but I think that would be smart political chess.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:49:55pm

re: #37 sagehen

I can even imagine Heidkamp, McKaskill, Manchin and another red state dem cutting a deal with Sasse, Flake, Collins and Murkowski that “if you vote no on Kavanaugh, I’ll vote yes on Amy Coney Barrett.”

It would make a point that the D’s objections are about this nominee in particular, not every single conservative ever. And the R’s would get to preen about taking public sentiment and women’s safety seriously.

Amy is scary but as far as I know, her personal life is above reproach.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:50:22pm

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

Of course, Flake isn’t facing another election. So if there were ever a time for him to do what’s right, it’s now. (Who am I kidding? He won’t vote No unless his vote is meaningless).

re: #34 HappyWarrior

What about those leaving i.e. Flake?

I think Flake’s primary concern is Flake’s own financial bottom line. If he’s thinking of getting a lucrative banking or DC lobbying job, and that absolutely is what he’s thinking, then his job market value diminishes considerably if he’s perceived as having stabbed Trump and the GOP in the back. He also wants to keep the door open to a GOP Presidential run down the line, and so again being the guy whose attack of conscience just before a midterm election he was too cowardly to participate in also cost Republicans a solid medium term SCOTUS majority doesn’t help him with that. I will be very surprised if Flake votes no.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:53:44pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

I think Flake’s primary concern is Flake’s own financial bottom line. If he’s thinking of getting a lucrative banking or DC lobbying job, and that absolutely is what he’s thinking, then his job market value diminishes considerably if he’s perceived as having stabbed Trump and the GOP in the back. He also wants to keep the door open to a GOP Presidential run down the line, and so again being the guy whose attack of conscience just before a midterm election he was too cowardly to participate in also cost Republicans a solid medium term SCOTUS majority doesn’t help him with that. I will be very surprised if Flake votes no.

I think if I were Flake, I’d realize my goose was cooked for a potential Presidential run even in a more sane GOP. The guy has views on things like immigration and Cuba that would get him stuck in Iowa. So perhaps you are right about him seeing a job and worrying about that. I really really hope you’re wrong and something may have clicked when those two ladies confronted him.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:54:45pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

I think Flake’s primary concern is Flake’s own financial bottom line. If he’s thinking of getting a lucrative banking or DC lobbying job, and that absolutely is what he’s thinking, then his job market value diminishes considerably if he’s perceived as having stabbed Trump and the GOP in the back. He also wants to keep the door open to a GOP Presidential run down the line, and so again being the guy whose attack of conscience just before a midterm election he was too cowardly to participate in also cost Republicans a solid medium term SCOTUS majority doesn’t help him with that. I will be very surprised if Flake votes no.

Looks like Flake is someone who has not become wealthy through public service. So he will do what he thinks is needed to help his family rather than doing what is right.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:55:18pm

From the previous thread:

re: #129 Hecuba’s daughter

We cannot allow the Russians to achieve their dream: they have been talking about the US fracturing ever since the Soviet Union did fracture and they are working on accomplishing this objective. We cannot give up and must continue to fight to keep this nation together. That’s how they win: to silence dissent by making the opposition too discouraged to work to unify this country again.

Moreover, the country isn’t really “liberal” states and “conservative” states. Each state has a mix of both.

Some sort of so-called Pacifica would still have plenty of conservatives in it. A “rump” United States if so-called liberal states said “we’re done” would leave both tens of millions of liberals stranded in Redstatia with no support, and a likely civil war with XXI Century weaponry.

If you don’t think that conservatives left in charge would not want to take out a war on “crunchy granola” California (which has no navy, army, or air force) …

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:56:03pm

re: #39 Hecuba’s daughter

Amy is scary but as far as I know, her personal life is above reproach.

Wasn’t Kavanaugh’s “character” supposed to be one of his strengths going in too. Don’t get me wrong. I doubt Judge Barrett’s personal life is nearly as full of that kind of shit as his is but I’m definitely concerned that with her religious views, she may not be able to separate them from secular law. I’d grudgingly take her though. Perhaps the least evil of the people Trump would probably pick at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:57:27pm

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

From the previous thread:

Moreover, the country isn’t really “liberal” states and “conservative” states. Each state has a mix of both.

Some sort of so-called Pacifica would still have plenty of conservatives in it. A “rump” United States if so-called liberal states said “we’re done” would leave both tens of millions of liberals stranded in Redstatia with no support, and a likely civil war with XXI Century weaponry.

If you don’t think that conservatives left in charge would not want to take out a war on “crunchy granola” California (which has no navy, army, or air force) …

I think when people say that they’re just frustrated. You’re right though. I live in a more red part of Va but I work and grew up in a blue part. My district and state went for Clinton but my precinct is solid red.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:57:50pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

I think if I were Flake, I’d realize my goose was cooked for a potential Presidential run even in a more sane GOP. The guy has views on things like immigration and Cuba that would get him stuck in Iowa. So perhaps you are right about him seeing a job and worrying about that. I really really hope you’re wrong and something may have clicked when those two ladies confronted him.

I’ve been listening to Preet Bharara’s podcast on my evening walks lately and the interview with Flake was the only one I had to rage quit midway through. He is a gigantic piece of shit who will forever rationalize abdicating his personal responsibility while simultaneously wringing his hands and opining about the flagrant immorality that has taken root within the GOP

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:58:35pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Has there ever been a SCOTUS nominee whose confirmation has come down to the VP having to make a tie breaking vote?

No.

en.wikipedia.org

Mike Pence does have the record of casting the most tie-breaking votes in his first year, though.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:59:05pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I’ve been listening to Preet Bharara’s podcast on my evening walks lately and the interview with Flake was the only one I had to rage quit midway through. He is a gigantic piece of shit who will forever rationalize abdicating his personal responsibility while simultaneously wringing his hands and opining about the flagrant immorality that has taken root within the GOP

Oh I hear ya, I’m not saying I like the guy at all. I just think if he were smart, he’d realize that he’s not going to be a GOP nominee now nor ever. That what happened last week happened guaranteed that the R base will never forgive him.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2018 • 9:59:57pm

We need to put all the pressure we can. Those women in the elevator got Flake to call for an investigation (and don’t argue it’s meaningless, because there wouldn’t have been one otherwise). If it looks like crap, or that McConnell is trying to do an end run, then more people need to go after Flake, Collins, Murkowski, and Manchin.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:00:53pm

I missed this earlier but Chelsea Clinton encouraged people not to go after Kavanaugh’s girls. Good for her. I understand what was said the other night that we don’t necessarily need to feel sorry for them but we don’t need to resort to that crap.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:03:06pm

I wonder if I should write Manchin. I’m not a constituent but I live near the state line and his state and my county do share the Shenandoah river so maybe I’ll use that as my point that “I may not be your constituent but what you do impacts me.”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:05:07pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I’ve been listening to Preet Bharara’s podcast on my evening walks lately and the interview with Flake was the only one I had to rage quit midway through. He is a gigantic piece of shit who will forever rationalize abdicating his personal responsibility while simultaneously wringing his hands and opining about the flagrant immorality that has taken root within the GOP

I mean, I listened to the Katy Tur interview tonight all the way through, a couple nights ago I listened to the one with Michelle Wallace, I even dealt with Maggie fucking Haberman. I think we all know I have goddamned anger issues and don’t deal well when confronted with milquetoast pieces of shit, but Flake is the only motherfucker I had to bail out on lest I start screaming in public. My blood pressure just spiked thirty points thinking about it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:07:09pm

For me, what frustrates me are those types that claim to be above partisan politics who really in their own way the most partisan people you’ll ever meet. Just because you hate and don’t like the two party system doesn’t make you an outsider to this mess. Quite the contrary often.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:07:40pm

OT. Probably this outrage has been discussed in some older thread but while I was strolling through Evanston late this afternoon, my eyes were assaulted by the following storefront:

This is wrong, so wrong.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:07:51pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I missed this earlier but Chelsea Clinton encouraged people not to go after Kavanaugh’s girls. Good for her. I understand what was said the other night that we don’t necessarily need to feel sorry for them but we don’t need to resort to that crap.

Leave them out of it, but, you know, their father is a privileged, bitter asshole who has a history of treating women like shit. So, yeah, too bad their Dad’s a dick.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:09:52pm

re: #55 Blind Frog Belly White

Leave them out of it, but, you know, their father is a privileged, bitter asshole who has a history of treating women like shit. So, yeah, too bad their Dad’s a dick.

That’s how I feel. I won’t attack the girls at all but I have no problem calling their father a raging asshole who shouldn’t be a judge in any court room.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:10:03pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

For me, what frustrates me are those types that claim to be above partisan politics who really in their own way the most partisan people you’ll ever meet. Just because you hate and don’t like the two party system doesn’t make you an outsider to this mess. Quite the contrary often.

All those who supported Jill Stein and think that they have no responsibility for the disaster unfolding on the Court and throughout this nation. The purity ponies who brought this upon us.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:10:45pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

There are only 9 Rethugs running. 10 to 15 flips is a pipe dream. There might be one, but only if that vote isn’t needed.

Maybe, but the way this “investigation” has been handled, not talking to Ford or her witnesses, not talking to either of the other two women who each have have numerous witnesses lined up behind them, and most significantly, not talking to Kavanaugh about his finances, means this “investigation” is not an investigation.

It’s a joke.

Again, we’ll see. But the Rs are scared as shit about the upcoming election. So we’ll see what happens tomorrow.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:12:04pm

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

All those who supported Jill Stein and think that they have no responsibility for the disaster unfolding on the Court and throughout this nation. The purity ponies who brought this upon us.

Don’t forget Gary Johnson too. And don’t forget that those that flat out did not vote. I’m pissed at how so many in my generation think Bernie’s the answer. He’s not. Bernie has way too much in common temperament wise and how he approaches the issues to Trump that I care for and it disturbs me that it’s in a man that is serving his fifth President in Congress and someone whose voting record on paper I’m with more than not.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:14:57pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I missed this earlier but Chelsea Clinton encouraged people not to go after Kavanaugh’s girls. Good for her. I understand what was said the other night that we don’t necessarily need to feel sorry for them but we don’t need to resort to that crap.

How the fuck would they go after his girls? I mean, maybe I’m missing something crucial about their social media presence but this feels more like a ratfuck operation narrative that Chelsea responded to than a genuine problem.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:14:59pm

re: #39 Hecuba’s daughter

Amy is scary but as far as I know, her personal life is above reproach.

And she might, conceivably, be not as awful about Roe as we fear. Among the quotes on her wikipedia page, are:

At an event in 2013 that reflected on the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, she described the decision—in the paraphrase by Notre Dame Magazine—as “creating through judicial fiat a framework of abortion on demand”.[35][36] She also remarked that it was “very unlikely” the court will overturn the core aspect of Roe v. Wade: “The fundamental element, that the woman has a right to choose abortion, will probably stand. The controversy right now is about funding. It’s a question of whether abortions will be publicly or privately funded.

and

a 1998 article by Barrett where she wrote that judges could recuse themselves from hearing matters if their faith conflicted with issues to be decided in cases they might otherwise hear

During her hearing (for the appellate court), Barrett said: “It is never appropriate for a judge to impose that judge’s personal convictions, whether they arise from faith or anywhere else, on the law.”

She’s never been a partisan apparatchik. She was Summa Cum Laude from Notre Dame Law School, executive editor of their law review, had a couple of clerkships, 3 years in private practice, and 15 years teaching at ND and GWU law schools.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:16:34pm

re: #37 sagehen

I can even imagine Heidkamp, McKaskill, Manchin and another red state dem cutting a deal with Sasse, Flake, Collins and Murkowski that “if you vote no on Kavanaugh, I’ll vote yes on Amy Coney Barrett.”

It would make a point that the D’s objections are about this nominee in particular, not every single conservative ever. And the R’s would get to preen about taking public sentiment and women’s safety seriously.

This is the smartest goddamned prediction / scenario I’ve seen yet, even if it ends up being wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:17:12pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

How the fuck would they go after his girls? I mean, maybe I’m missing something crucial about their social media presence but this feels more like a ratfuck operation narrative that Chelsea responded to than a genuine problem.

I think Chelsea was just urging people not to do that shit. Trying to tell people to be better people than that shit and I think 99.9% of us are but unfortunately on the feed I saw the story on, I did see the .01%.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:19:55pm

re: #61 sagehen

And she might, conceivably, be not as awful about Roe as we fear. Among the quotes on her wikipedia page, are:

and

She’s never been a partisan apparatchik. She was Summa Cum Laude from Notre Dame Law School, executive editor of their law review, had a couple of clerkships, 3 years in private practice, and 15 years teaching at ND and GWU law schools.

That’s an interesting thought. In some ways, Scalia really surprised sometimes. I just hope if faced with a 4-4 tie on Roe, she wouldn’t see it as her “Christian duty” to break it. But I definitely think from what I’ve seen, she’d be the least bad which is probably why she wasn’t picked for this. Well that and she doesn’t have extensive writing on why the President needs protected nor is she a quid pro quo recipient for years of service for the GOP. She’s definitely conservative but in a different way than Kavanaugh is. Kavanaugh is a GOP hack. Barrett actually seems to be from what I know fairly apolitical.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:20:27pm

Relavent info:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:22:03pm

re: #26 austin_blue

I think he is just saying ‘put up or shut up’ to his members. I think he is going to be horribly surprised by the result. I don’t think he has the votes. The Rs are terrified of this election in November. And they should be.

At a minimum, the well-publicized fact that the FBI “investigation” is a complete sham would give Murkowski, Flake, and Collins a good excuse to abstain unless a real investigation is called for.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:22:54pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:23:52pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Relavent info:

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I’m staying bent ‘till the sweet meteor of death.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:23:56pm

re: #29 William Lewis

sumimasen = excuse me, sorry.
arigatou gozaimasu = polite way to say thank you.
nihongo ga wakarimasen = I do not understand japanese
hai = yes
iie = no
onegaishimasu = please

probably the most useful bits for a gaijin to know. And about all I remember from 1985 O_o

Enjoy!

And konnichiwa is “Good Day”. If it’s evening, you want “kombanwa”.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:24:40pm

re: #29 William Lewis

“Hai” is the all-purpose word used for acknowledging requests, or general agreement, too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:27:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:29:38pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

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Well after BBQ Becky, it was time for a Kind Kamira. Cheers to her.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:38:24pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

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According to BuzzFeed, Dwire then told Trent it was none of her business, and after ten more minutes of bickering back and forth, the argument escalated into a shouting match, with Trent calling the police.

Carlos Cornejo, the arresting officer, wrote that when he arrived, he heard Dwire yelling “something to the effect of ‘this is what is wrong with our country’ and ‘they should not be speaking Spanish here.’”

Love that extra bit of poetic justice that the arresting officer is also hispanic…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:38:59pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

you just summed up why they cannot back down on BK, in fact, he is seen as further galvanizing GOP support.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:39:59pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you just summed up why they cannot back down on BK, in fact, he is seen as further galvanizing GOP support.

I know.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:40:25pm

re: #61 sagehen

And she might, conceivably, be not as awful about Roe as we fear. Among the quotes on her wikipedia page, are:

and

She’s never been a partisan apparatchik. She was Summa Cum Laude from Notre Dame Law School, executive editor of their law review, had a couple of clerkships, 3 years in private practice, and 15 years teaching at ND and GWU law schools.

It would be nice to have 4 women on the SC. We would be 1 judge closer to RBG’s suggestion of an all female court. I am still concerned about her philosophy but we would have to see what comes out if she actually ever gets the nomination.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:42:06pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

Especially since its acquisition by Murdoch, I have no faith in anything published in the WSJ.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:49:36pm

Well, I’m off for the rack. Night everyone.

Tomorrow is going to be the day of all days in the Senate. Either Turtleneck has control of his people and can plow Kavanaugh through, or he doesn’t.

That’s all. That’s what will or will not happen.

Dog help us all if this unrepentant, alcoholic, sexually abusive man child gets elevated to the Supreme Court. Thirty years of screaming id will follow. No wonder everyone in the legal world is scrambling to distance themselves from this atrocity.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:51:01pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

I mean, I listened to the Katy Tur interview tonight all the way through, a couple nights ago I listened to the one with Michelle Wallace, I even dealt with Maggie fucking Haberman. I think we all know I have goddamned anger issues and don’t deal well when confronted with milquetoast pieces of shit, but Flake is the only motherfucker I had to bail out on lest I start screaming in public. My blood pressure just spiked thirty points thinking about it.

To be perfectly clear I actually meant the Nicole Wallace interview, because, again, I’m slightly drunk. Also I think she is the the only one of those I listed above who was genuinely honest about themselves. What I really liked was despite personally knowing and deeply liking Kavanaugh, Wallace said she found Ford 100% credible and said she felt it was impossible to know what to think about the nomination without a full FBI investigation. Added to that, she’s the only one of Preet’s guests that I mentioned above who I actually felt had a soul. So it’s fairly easy for me to look beyond her past in the Bush administration, and the accompanying deep misgivings that past generates about her associations and her ability to judge character, and feel like deep down she’s still a good person.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:55:56pm

Those activist judges, always spoiling President Miller’s plans to remove brown people from the USA.

npr.org

A federal court in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the Temporary Protected Status program that allows immigrants from four countries to live and work in the United States.

The ruling issued late Wednesday by U.S. District Judge Edward M. Chen Wednesday affects more than 300,000 immigrants enrolled in TPS from El Salvador, Nicaragua, Haiti and Sudan.

TPS was created by Congress in 1990 to allow people from countries suffering civil conflict or natural disasters to live and work in the U.S. temporarily.

Wednesday’s ruling came in response to a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) alleging the Trump administration violated constitutional protections of due process and equal protection when it announced it would terminate the program, beginning with immigrants from Sudan next month.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 10:56:58pm

re: #73 sagehen

Love that extra bit of poetic justice that the arresting officer is also hispanic…

Conservatives really don’t get that whole “free speech” part of the Constitution.

Many people commenting on that thread “look what Trump wrought.”

Trump may have let his racist freak flag fly, but he didn’t invent this kind of behaviour. The Civil Rights Act is within my lifetime.

What’s different now is social media, which allows these sorts of things to become Internet phenomena. In the past, a woman calling out a racist precisely in this manner might have only been local news.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:00:35pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

To be perfectly clear I actually meant the Nicole Wallace interview, because, again, I’m slightly drunk. Also I think she is the the only one of those I listed above who was genuinely honest about themselves. What I really liked was despite personally knowing and deeply liking Kavanaugh, Wallace said she found Ford 100% credible and said she felt it was impossible to know what to think about the nomination without a full FBI investigation. She’s the only one of Preet’s guests that I mentioned above who I actually felt had a soul. So it’s fairly easy for me to look beyond her past in the Bush administration, and the accompanying deep misgivings that past generates about her associations and her ability to judge character, and feel like deep down she’s still a good person.

That post took a lot of editing because the Oban 14 wasn’t fucking around.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:03:58pm

Mitch seems determined to hold the deciding vote on a Saturday, come hell or high water. If he’d asked me (and I wanted to help him….), I’d have told him this is a bad idea. Protestors all over the country are ready to hit the pavement, but a lot of them couldn’t during the week.

Well, Democrats don’t have jobs, so I guess it doesn’t matter.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:07:05pm

Dude who allegedly sent ricin to the White House is (surprise) neither Muslim nor brown-skinned.

militarytimes.com

He also has harassed women on Facebook, and seems very interested in making poisons from commonly found materials.

illwriteit.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:15:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:17:16pm

re: #84 wheat-dogg

Dude who allegedly sent ricin to the White House is (surprise) neither Muslim nor brown-skinned.

militarytimes.com

He also has harassed women on Facebook, and seems very interested in making poisons from commonly found materials.

illwriteit.com

I thought it would likely be a seaman or former seaman as soon as I read that one of the targets was the Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Richardson.

Who the heck attacks the CNO or even knows who he is?

Plus, looking at this guy’s four-year tour where he left the Navy as an E-2, you really have to work hard to get busted that much.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:20:06pm

Juan Romero, the busboy who tried to help the fatally wounded Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, has died of a heart attack.

latimes.com

The story notes he was always shaken by the violence, and tried to use the iconic photograph taken of him as well as his experience to work against violence in public.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:31:33pm

Seriously guys, you know I hardly ever shill, but this is the best thing I’ve bought all year.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:49:41pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:52:17pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:54:00pm

well, that certainly turned into a mess for only 2 tweet urls.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:58:19pm

re: #91 Single-handed sailor

well, that certainly turned into a mess for only 2 tweet urls.

There seems to be no predicting how much you get. I count myself lucky if I don’t get everything but the one tweet I wanted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2018 • 11:59:38pm

re: #90 Single-handed sailor

And the usual conservaderp in that thread about people “abandoning” California for Texas.

Last I checked, California was one of the most desirable states for people to move to.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 4, 2018 • 12:04:09am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

And the usual conservaderp in that thread about people “abandoning” California for Texas.

Last I checked, California was one of the most desirable states for people to move to.

Shhhh, it’s horrible here. Nobody likes living here. It’s too crowded.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 4, 2018 • 12:05:54am

re: #94 Single-handed sailor

Shhhh, it’s horrible here. Nobody likes living here. It’s too crowded.

Rename the state to Crowdifornia. That’s why the Vikings named the surprisingly warm place “Iceland” and the freezing cold place “Greenland.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 12:12:08am

re: #94 Single-handed sailor

Shhhh, it’s horrible here. Nobody likes living here. It’s too crowded.

re: #95 wheat-dogg

Rename the state to Crowdifornia. That’s why the Vikings named the surprisingly warm place “Iceland” and the freezing cold place “Greenland.”

LOL. Meanwhile here in this county of three thousand people or so, we have half a million cattle. They don’t take up any space though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 12:22:40am

Trump’s EPA Rethinking That Whole ‘Radiation Is Bad For You’ Thing (Wonkette, more at the link):

Not content with giving the USA the gifts of more toxic pesticides and filthy coal-mine runoff, the Environmental “Protection” Agency is moving to embrace the idea that some level of exposure to radiation is perfectly safe, and maybe even good for you. (Attention kids: do not try Trump Science at home.) Needless to say, some in the nuclear industry, as well as fringe scientists, fans of radiation, and those hoping to become mutant superheroes, are awfully receptive to the proposal. Honestly, now that we’ve decided science is just a matter of who shouts loudest, why the hell not?

The Associated Press explains this rad new idea:

Supporters of the EPA’s new proposal argue the government’s current no-tolerance rule for radiation damage forces unnecessary spending for handling exposure in accidents, at nuclear plants, in medical centers and at other sites.

“This would have a positive effect on human health as well as save billions and billions and billions of dollars,” said Edward Calabrese, a toxicologist at the University of Massachusetts who is to be the lead witness at a congressional hearing Wednesday on EPA’s proposal.

Calabrese, who made those remarks in a 2016 interview with a California nonprofit, was quoted by EPA in its announcement of the proposed rule in April.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 4, 2018 • 12:38:17am

Meanwhile, in Turkey, the villa belonging to Adnan Oktar - aka Harun Yahya, the Turkish creationist and conspiracy theorist - is in the process of being demolished as per court order.

The Turkish authorities are demolishing the villa of the previously detained Adnan Oktar, who was better known as Harun Yahya, Turkish media reported on Oct. 4.

The demolition of Oktar’s villa began in the morning Oct. 4, the reports read.

All of Oktar’s property had earlier been confiscated.

Oktar and 235 of his supporters were detained in July 2018.

Adnan Oktar is accused of laundering dirty money, participation in organized crime, espionage and harassment.

en.trend.az

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 4, 2018 • 12:45:02am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 4, 2018 • 12:45:23am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

We are constantly exposed to radiation every day, from the background radiation of the Earth. That’s OK, because we have evolved to live in such an environment. It’s people who receive extra doses of ionizing radiation on a regular basis who are at risk: radiologists, uranium mine workers, and nuclear power plant workers, to name a few. Those people understand the risks and their exposure is closely monitored. What we don’t want is the average Joe and Jill receiving extra doses of ionizing radiation on a regular basis, because they will not be monitored for exposure rates, or even aware they are being exposed. These proposals, like every other deregulation move by Republicans, only benefit the corporations responsible for the radioactive sources at the expense of public safety.

As for the claim that some exposure to ionizing radiation might be beneficial to human health, that’s total bullshit. Why is a toxicologist commenting on a subject that a radiologist or a nuclear scientist would be better qualified to serve as an expert witness about?

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 4, 2018 • 12:55:56am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 4, 2018 • 1:01:11am

re: #101 Single-handed sailor

Couldn’t they at least wait until I am out of the country?

This is a report on what Pence was upset about.

Youtube Video

It goes without saying that it’s disturbing that Trump & Co. are in attack mode regarding China, but relatively quiet about Russia.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 1:23:28am

The remnants of Tropical Storm Rosa will be moving over western Nebraska tomorrow … lots of rain and gusty winds, but since the storm is no longer organised we shouldn’t get things like tornadoes (plus it’s fairly cold here - tomorrow’s high will only be 55F)

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 4, 2018 • 1:43:37am

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

The whole state of California was covered by clouds today. It was freaky.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 1:50:33am

In the mail today, I got yet another pitch from a charity for veterans. This one’s mission statement says it helps disabled veterans as they separate from the military.

The particular charity in question sent both a t-shirt (which doesn’t fit because I’m a tiny guy) and a cheque for $2.50 (that’s novel, usually they send a nickel taped to the return card).

It is always worthwhile to check out any charities on how they use their money, but there are a lot of grifters who like to wave the flag and “support the troops” to pull at your heartstrings and wallet.

In this case, research shows this charity I never heard of before was incorporated in 2007, fundraising and administration expenses which exceed 75%, and an debt to asset ratio of 192%. They have less than 0.01 years of working capital on hand.

If I cashed that $2.50 cheque, it might bounce.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 4, 2018 • 1:56:11am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹

Hey that’s a much better administrative cost than the Police Officer Associations that call me all the time. They were over 85%.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 4, 2018 • 2:21:12am

re: #9 mmmirele

The suitcase is zipped up and I’m waiting for my electronic gear to finish charging before I shove all the cords into my backpack. I’m going to Japan in the morning! And I know exactly four words in Japanese: hai, konnichiwa, arigato gozaimasu and kawaii. I’m pathetic, I know.

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You’ll do well with those phrases. Also, oishii is a good word to know when dining (“delicious”); it will make the cook feel good.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 2:25:10am

I get part of where that “a little radiation is good for you” stuff is coming from now.

It turns out part of Operation Plowshare was to release so-called “tight gas” (natural gas locked in shale). An experiment was conducted near Grand Junction, Colorado with three nuclear weapons. It was considered a failure because the blast chambers didn’t connect as the experimenters hoped, and the natural gas in question was deemed made so radioactive it could never be burned.

Fast forward to today. Over thirty permits for fracking have been issued within three miles of the blast site, and eleven within one mile.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2018 • 2:28:36am

One major priority of the GOP is to abolish or weaken any form of government health, safety and environmental regulations and Trump is the ideal battering ram for smashing down the protections that we have put in place over the past 50 years.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 4, 2018 • 2:33:49am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s what needs to happen all the time. Confront the racists and they flee because they’re punks.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 4, 2018 • 3:30:43am
Kanye West gave an impromptu lesson to students at a Michigan art school — jumping on a table and telling kids to “leave Elon Musk the f-k alone.”

“Elon Musk, I don’t give a f-k who’s over at his house, leave that man the f-k alone,” the 41-year-old rapper ranted during his Tuesday visit to Detroit’s College of Creative Studies.

It’s unclear what prompted the outburst, which was captured on video and posted to Twitter by a student named Josh.

West may have been referencing comments Azealia Banks made in August about the Tesla CEO.

Banks claimed she was at Musk’s home to work on music with his former girlfriend, singer Grimes, and had to wait around “while Grimes coddled her boyfriend for being too stupid to know not to go on Twitter while on acid.”

You just can’t make this shit up!
pagesix.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 3:32:19am

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

That’s what needs to happen all the time. Confront the racists and they flee because they’re punks.

They succeed because they believe no one will stand up. “Stronger together” is more than a Hillary Clinton campaign slogan.

When people are willing to stand forth in defence of another, the bigots will withdraw. Repeated examples of this are shown by counter-protests (notably in Boston earlier in the year).

The idea that racists should not be counter-protested is facile, whether it is a large group or simply one in a store.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 3:50:38am

Coming up on November 2 and 3, science denial as a field of study.

nyas.org
(New York Academy of Science, in combination with Rutgers University)

The idea is to teach the history of science denialism, its spread, and the effects on health, and methods applied which have succeeded or failed in stamping it out.

The conference will be held at 7 World Trade Center. The page offers registration for the conference if you are interested. The conference will include several professors from different universities, along with policy experts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2018 • 4:31:47am

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

McConnell just filed for cloture. Motion to proceed on Friday, full vote on Saturday. It’s happening.

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2018 • 4:33:46am

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

OT. Probably this outrage has been discussed in some older thread but while I was strolling through Evanston late this afternoon, my eyes were assaulted by the following storefront:

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This is wrong, so wrong.

i’ve had chocolate chip pizza before. it is ambrosia of the gods.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 4, 2018 • 4:36:38am

re: #115 steve_davis

i’ve had chocolate chip pizza before. it is ambrosia of the gods.

My estimation of the “gods” has been somewhat shaken.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 4, 2018 • 4:38:31am

re: #115 steve_davis

I make it sometimes. It’s basically a super duper chocolate chip cookie the size of a pizza. The best one I’ve made so far is a double dark chocolate dough for the crust and then scoops of toll house cookie dough on top. The Kid requested that instead of a cake for his last birthday.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 4, 2018 • 4:43:24am

re: #117 A Mom Anon

I make it sometimes. It’s basically a super duper chocolate chip cookie the size of a pizza. The best one I’ve made so far is a double dark chocolate dough for the crust and then scoops of toll house cookie dough on top. The Kid requested that instead of a cake for his last birthday.

So no tomato sauce?

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A Mom Anon  Oct 4, 2018 • 4:47:19am

re: #118 Barefoot Grin

LOL, no. It’s a dessert. Made the same size as a medium or small pizza usually. A giant cookie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2018 • 4:57:00am

re: #118 Barefoot Grin

So no tomato sauce?

and no pineapple?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 4:57:20am

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Seriously guys, you know I hardly ever shill, but this is the best thing I’ve bought all year.

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Yes it is! I’ve had one ever since I was diagnosed with Type 2 and it’s a big help relieving foot pain!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:02:30am

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:18:10am

re: #90 Single-handed sailor

Trying to read through there, it looks like they are using two different types of stats, and I can’t figure out which one is correct.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:25:03am

Something to watch out for:

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:25:38am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:26:05am

LOL, Trump promised he would campaign for Cruz. He sent Junior instead.

texastribune.org

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jeffreyw  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:31:18am

Imgur


Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:32:16am

Another totally coincidental death of a Russian person of interest.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:34:11am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

LOL, Trump promised he would campaign for Cruz. He sent Junior instead.

texastribune.org

He’s not sending his best.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:44:15am

White Man Tells Black Family Campaigning for Senate Candidate Beto O’Rourke to Get Out of His Neighborhood (The Root)

According to Fox 26, the family posted a video to Facebook explaining the encounter with the white man who, by definition in the white man handbook section 401-b, which states that “white men own all parts of Texas and therefore can tell people of color where they can and can’t be with impunity,” promptly told the grandmother and her two granddaughters to leave the area.

According to the video, the family was merely doing their part to ensure that Senate candidate O’Rourke upsets incumbent and second-in-charge of presidential scrotum-handling when Sen. Lindsey Graham isn’t available, Ted Cruz. That’s when a white man, who didn’t happen to give his name, told them to get out of his neighborhood.

“Yesterday, while doing this ‘American as apple pie’ activity within walking distance of my mother’s house, a man approached my mother and daughters and (among other choice words) demanded that they ‘go back where they came from’ because this is HIS neighborhood,” the young girls’ mother wrote on Facebook, Fox 26 reports.

The mother added: “In 2018, some people are emboldened enough in their hate to accost a 70-year old grandmother and her 8- and 10-year-old granddaughters. Please let this be a wake-up call of how real and unhinged the hate has become. We must call it out, and we must demand better.”

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wheat-dogg  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:46:31am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

Another totally coincidental death of a Russian person of interest.

OTOH the GRU seems to have forgotten some key tradecraft skills.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:51:10am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:52:10am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:54:12am

re: #115 steve_davis

i’ve had chocolate chip pizza before. it is ambrosia of the gods.

“ambrosia of the gods” is redundant. It’s like pin number or ATM machine.

/We know return you to your regularly scheduled and well deserved trump rants.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:54:12am

Off-topic on political advertising, as we never get it here.

Anytime we stream anything on the Internet (Hulu, YouTube, &c), we’re getting attack ads on every video running against Josh Hawley and his positions on things like the ACA.

That would have to do with the fact our Internet service is provided from Jefferson City, Missouri.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:54:42am

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹

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Same people who think the media is too hard on Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:55:36am

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

White Man Tells Black Family Campaigning for Senate Candidate Beto O’Rourke to Get Out of His Neighborhood (The Root)

These are the sort of people who deserve to be run out of restaurants…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 4, 2018 • 5:59:43am

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Weaselone  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:00:53am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

OTOH the GRU seems to have forgotten some key tradecraft skills.

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Have they forgotten it, or just come to the conclusion it doesn’t actually matter?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:02:47am

re: #139 Weaselone

Have they forgotten it, or just come to the conclusion it doesn’t actually matter?

I think you nailed it, they need not fear any consequences from the US government.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:04:47am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Gah. Fucking awful.

The Root pretty much described Ted Cruz in paragraph two I posted above in #130.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:08:02am

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

The Root pretty much described Ted Cruz in paragraph two I posted above in #130.

It pisses me off so much that black people still deal with this shit.

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MsJ  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:14:53am

re: #101 Single-handed sailor

U.S. plans show of military force to deter China, CNN reports

So…trump is going to get his parade then?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:17:06am
Deputies with the Florence County sheriff’s office were in the process of serving a search warrant at this address at around 4:00 p.m. EDT when they were fired upon by a suspect within the residence. According to our sources, the search warrant sought information related to an ongoing child sexual assault investigation. One of the female deputies caught up in the initial round of gunfire is a criminal sexual conduct investigator. Another is a forensic technician.

All told, four Florence police officers and three county deputies were wounded in the shooting.

fitsnews.com

Child sexual assault … perhaps not the sort of person you want owning guns?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:18:31am

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

fitsnews.com

Child sexual assault … perhaps not the sort of person you want owning guns?

Last person you want owning guns.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:31:19am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Last person you want owning guns.

Crickets from the NRA on seven police officers and sheriff’s deputies shot (including one long-time veteran killed).

A push on gun safety regulation now might blunt the screeching from the NRA and GOP about “politicising tragedy” - the immediate response being they favour killing cops then?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:32:57am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:36:39am
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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:36:44am

re: #26 austin_blue

I think he is just saying ‘put up or shut up’ to his members. I think he is going to be horribly surprised by the result. I don’t think he has the votes. The Rs are terrified of this election in November. And they should be.

Fair question…you think they are lying on the whip counts?

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:36:52am

re: #134 I Would Prefer Not To

“ambrosia of the gods” is redundant. It’s like pin number or ATM machine.

/We know return you to your regularly scheduled and well deserved trump rants.

Don’t forget the omnipresent hot water heater.

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:37:31am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

I was really upest to see that and one of my above the two party system was fretting about it and I just felt like saying “Dude, you complain that the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans every chance you get.” but I wasn’t in a mood for a political fight especially since I was busy af at work.

Dems pass aca
R’s try to repeal aca

Both parties…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:40:42am
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Danack  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:40:44am
The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
The attack by Chinese spies reached almost 30 U.S. companies, including Amazon and Apple, by compromising America’s technology supply chain, according to extensive interviews with government and corporate sources.

bloomberg.com

i) That’s not good.
ii) That’s why any backdoor into encryption is going to be used for evil eventually.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:40:58am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

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They really want to die on the ledge with this pathetic drunk don’t they?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:44:43am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

They really want to die on the ledge with this pathetic drunk don’t they?

It’s about power. We have it, and there’s nothing you can do to us to stop us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:50:19am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

They really want to die on the ledge with this pathetic drunk don’t they?

we are dealing with people who see back down as a sign of weakness

the GOP knows that they will lose face (and lose support) if they back down

but they know that once they get their man in, it will blow over (to be replaced by the next outrage) and their man will be in for life and there will be a conservative majority on the Scotus for years/decades to come

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:51:28am

Female Nobel prize winner deemed not important enough for Wikipedia entry

….Until around an hour and a half after the award was announced on Tuesday, the Canadian physicist Donna Strickland was not deemed significant enough to merit her own page on the user-edited encyclopedia.

The oversight has once again highlighted the marginalization of women in science and gender bias at Wikipedia.

Strickland is an associate professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Waterloo and former president of the Optical Society, but when a Wikipedia user attempted to create a profile for her in March, the page was denied by a moderator.

“This submission’s references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article,” said the moderator.

Soon after Tuesday’s announcement, however, the Wikipedia community scrambled to build up a profile, completing sections on her research, biography and - most critically - her awards.

But the belated recognition contrasted with that afforded to Strickland’s colleague Gérard Mourou - with whom she shared the award - who had a Wikipedia page in 2005….

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:54:28am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we are dealing with people who see back down as a sign of weakness

the GOP knows that they will lose face (and lose support) if they back down

but they know that once they get their man in, it will blow over (to be replaced by the next outrage) and their man will be in for life and there will be a conservative majority on the Scotus for years/decades to come

Good. We can link all them to him if they want to stay with him.

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jeffreyw  Oct 4, 2018 • 6:55:55am

re: #150 Mike Lamb

Don’t forget the omnipresent hot water heater.

Unless it is a tankless device, “hot water heater” is perfectly accurate.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:00:21am

re: #159 jeffreyw

Unless it is a tankless device, “hot water heater” is perfectly accurate.

I know “hot water heater” is redundant, but it doesn’t look like I’m going to stop saying it any time in the foreseeable future, so….

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:03:02am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’m assuming that was the store manager, with some muscle trailing along behind her. She not only tells her “get out of here” but then goes with her to make sure she finds the exit. That’s managerial right there!

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:04:41am

re: #134 I Would Prefer Not To

“ambrosia of the gods” is redundant. It’s like pin number or ATM machine.

/We know return you to your regularly scheduled and well deserved trump rants.

And “Woe is me” is the wrong way to say it.

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:05:43am

re: #20 austin_blue

I don’t know how he could spin it. Kavanaugh is a mean drunk, woman assaulting, motherfucking frat boy who never grew up.

As such, he is the perfect Drumpf addition for the SCOTUS, but he is a disaster to the rest of the R Party, who are hanging on by their fingernails in the Senate, and have probably lost the House.

When you have to cut your losses, do it by killing the weakest of the herd.

Barret is fine. They aren’t getting her in before midterms. If the senate flips to the Democrats, there is no way in hell that Republicans get Barret through in the lame-duck session. That would be suicide on a lemming scale.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:09:10am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we are dealing with people who see back down as a sign of weakness

the GOP knows that they will lose face (and lose support) if they back down

but they know that once they get their man in, it will blow over (to be replaced by the next outrage) and their man will be in for life and there will be a conservative majority on the Scotus for years/decades to come

It might not blow over. There will be the next outrage, but all it takes is one person continuing to investigate the man, and it could explode back into the news, revealing that a Supreme Court justice is entirely unsuitable for the job, and that will hang around the Republican’s necks.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:10:52am

re: #90 Single-handed sailor

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Actual figures always fuck things up for the rightwing.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:17:57am

re: #162 Belafon

And “Woe is me” is the wrong way to say it.

“Oy vey! Vey ist mir!”?

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jeffreyw  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:24:59am

re: #160 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I know “hot water heater” is redundant, but it doesn’t look like I’m going to stop saying it any time in the foreseeable future, so….

My argument is that it is not redundant. The water in the tank is normally hot. The heating element keeps it so.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:26:54am

re: #167 jeffreyw

My argument is that it is not redundant. The water in the tank is normally hot. The heating element keeps it so.

Not if it’s an on-demand heater, and one with a tank is also a cold water heater.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:27:42am

re: #119 A Mom Anon

LOL, no. It’s a dessert. Made the same size as a medium or small pizza usually. A giant cookie.

Thank you for sparing me the nightmare of chocolate chips on melted cheese and tomato sauce!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:28:14am

re: #167 jeffreyw

My argument is that it is not redundant. The water in the tank is normally hot. The heating element keeps it so.

No, I got it. I’ll remember that explanation. I just intended to indicate that I’m unapologetic about it, anyway.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:29:00am

re: #164 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It might not blow over. There will be the next outrage, but all it takes is one person continuing to investigate the man, and it could explode back into the news, revealing that a Supreme Court justice is entirely unsuitable for the job, and that will hang around the Republican’s necks.

The Republicans and their supporters won’t care. It’s all fake news to them.

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:30:20am

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

Crickets from the NRA on seven police officers and sheriff’s deputies shot (including one long-time veteran killed).

A push on gun safety regulation now might blunt the screeching from the NRA and GOP about “politicising tragedy” - the immediate response being they favour killing cops then?

- i ‘have to’ carry liability insurance because some other people arent good drivers
- i have to drive a speed limit because other drivers cant be trusted to be prudent
- i have to have health insurance because too many healthy people with enough money free rode the system

there are lots of things i ‘have’ to do because other people didn’t or wouldn’t. so now we all have to behave better even if a lot of us would do so anyway

we wish the world were different
we wish we didnt have to
we wish other people would be fair, honest, responsible
they are not

i still do all these things more or less willingly. because my life is safer, better protected and predictable.

guns? nope

- they want to think the world is a particular way. they act as if the world is a particular way
- it is in fact an entirely different place from the one they paint
- open carry an ‘assault looking’ rifle? in public, where there are other people. why is this a necessary thing?

for any and all the reasons they just refuse to acknowledge and come to terms with the fact that people abuse guns. people are irresponsible, careless, lazy.

and like it or not (they dont) it IS up to the rest of us - owners and non, to shoulder some small bits of ‘inconvenience’ (not personal safety) in order to WEED ONLY THOSE IRRESPONSIBLE FUCKERS OUT

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:30:25am

re: #171 Hecuba’s daughter

The Republicans and their supporters won’t care. It’s all fake news to them.

True, but we have seen people leave the Republican party.

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jeffreyw  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:31:28am

re: #168 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

re: #159 jeffreyw

Unless it is a tankless device, “hot water heater” is perfectly accurate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:31:59am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:35:06am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:35:20am
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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:35:55am

re: #95 wheat-dogg

Rename the state to Crowdifornia. That’s why the Vikings named the surprisingly warm place “Iceland” and the freezing cold place “Greenland.”

well, that, and also they managed to have the bad luck to stumble on Greenland during a 20 year stretch when it was actually tolerable. The Little Ice Age, maybe?

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:37:41am

re: #104 Single-handed sailor

The whole state of California was covered by clouds today. It was freaky.

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It’s San Andreas’ fault.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:43:06am

re: #179 steve_davis

It’s San Andreas’ fault.

Groan.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:45:52am

Regarding that Charlie Kirk California thing. I bet he just picked the state with the most people in poverty which California would technically be because well there’s 11 million more people in Cali than Texas. Really says a lot that Governor TCOT went along with that uneducated moron just to bash California.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:46:18am

As a reminder, my senator is opposed to democracy. He calls his position “anti-majoritarianism.”

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:49:22am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

As a reminder, my senator is opposed to democracy. He calls his position “anti-majoritarianism.”

Unless you’re a woman, gay, or minority, right, Ben?

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:50:51am

re: #7 austin_blue

No. Clarence “Gatemouth” Thomas was confirmed on a 52-48 vote. Closest ever.

At this point, given the upcoming elections, I expect 10-15 Republican Senators to vote against Kavanaugh.

I could be completely wrong, of course, but I think at this point he is so toxic to the brand, and so toxic to the structure of the House and Senate, that he is dead meat.

In fact, I don’t think Turtleneck will bring up his vote to the Senate.

Thomas was the closest vote in modern times, you can go back much further and find a couple of confirmations that were decided by one vote in either direction. Also, in modern times, Gorsuch is the second closest vote at 54-45.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:52:46am

re: #183 Belafon

Unless you’re a woman, gay, or minority, right, Ben?

Women are the majority of the population. So maybe that’s when he applies his anti-majoritarianism views.

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:56:06am

re: #24 Belafon

Now that I think about it, and did some searching, felices fiestas is better. Far closer to happy holidays. Navidad is nativity. As I am still learning Spanish, I will have to consult with someone to make sure it’s correct.

“Felicidades,” can work. Depending on use it can mean “congratulations” but it can also translate to something like “all the best”. It’s sort of a generic holiday greeting/toast - you can use it at holidays, weddings, birthdays.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 7:57:04am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

As a reminder, my senator is opposed to democracy. He calls his position “anti-majoritarianism.”

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Can’t spell Sasse without ass.

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:03:21am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

Another totally coincidental death of a Russian person of interest.

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Did he accidentally fall out of a window? Lots of Russians seem to have problems with that.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:06:49am

Good (?) morning!

You knew it was going to be that kind of day
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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:06:50am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

As a reminder, my senator is opposed to democracy. He calls his position “anti-majoritarianism.”

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In a lot of ways, the Court is an anti-majoritarian entity. The majority was opposed to interracial marriage when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” The majority was (and probably still is) against flag burning when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” The majority was against same sex marriage when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” Our system is designed to promote majority rule while protecting minority rights, and the Court is often a backstop to ensuring that minority rights are protected. In fact, much of our system isn’t really majoritarian at the national level - more people voted for Democrats in the House last time, yet the GOP has a majority; we’ve talked about how half the Senate represents only 30% of the Country or so; and of course, the popular vote doesn’t mean much of anything with respect to the presidency. Hell, if a State tried to elect a governor by something like the electoral college, it’d be struck down under the republican guarantee clause and/or the equal protection clause - for the same reason States can’t have legislative bodies based on county lines like they used to.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:07:08am

re: #188 steve_davis

Did he accidentally fall out of a window? Lots of Russians seem to have problems with that.

Helicopter crash.

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Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:08:40am

Here we go:

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:09:54am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

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Funny that the guy talks about the FBI needing a magic time machine as it relates to investigating Kavanaugh, but doesn’t extend the same “courtesy” to Dr. Ford. It’s pretty clear that her story took on a different dimension with the SCOTUS nomination. She’d most likely be one of the thousands and thousands of women silently living with the shame of a sexual assault if Kavanaugh never rose about a circuit court judge.

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Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:14:07am

Any Maine Lizards in the house?

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:15:58am

re: #174 jeffreyw

This is becoming a tankless discussion

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:17:57am

re: #190 KGxvi

In a lot of ways, the Court is an anti-majoritarian entity. The majority was opposed to interracial marriage when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” The majority was (and probably still is) against flag burning when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” The majority was against same sex marriage when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” Our system is designed to promote majority rule while protecting minority rights, and the Court is often a backstop to ensuring that minority rights are protected. In fact, much of our system isn’t really majoritarian at the national level - more people voted for Democrats in the House last time, yet the GOP has a majority; we’ve talked about how half the Senate represents only 30% of the Country or so; and of course, the popular vote doesn’t mean much of anything with respect to the presidency. Hell, if a State tried to elect a governor by something like the electoral college, it’d be struck down under the republican guarantee clause and/or the equal protection clause - for the same reason States can’t have legislative bodies based on county lines like they used to.

This Supreme Court can reverse Obergefell — and will likely do so. It’s not just Roe that is on the line. The courts in Germany supported Hitler — the Supreme Court here will support Trump.

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:18:14am

re: #193 Mike Lamb

Funny that the guy talks about the FBI needing a magic time machine as it relates to investigating Kavanaugh, but doesn’t extend the same “courtesy” to Dr. Ford. It’s pretty clear that her story took on a different dimension with the SCOTUS nomination. She’d most likely be one of the thousands and thousands of women silently living with the shame trauma of a sexual assault if Kavanaugh never rose about a circuit court judge.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:19:48am

In the vein of “hot water heater”, I just took some recycling out to the garbage room, and I noticed on the poster telling you what is and what’s not recyclable: Among the former is “canned food cans”.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:21:40am

re: #190 KGxvi

In a lot of ways, the Court is an anti-majoritarian entity. The majority was opposed to interracial marriage when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” The majority was (and probably still is) against flag burning when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” The majority was against same sex marriage when the Court said, “no, that’s protected.” Our system is designed to promote majority rule while protecting minority rights, and the Court is often a backstop to ensuring that minority rights are protected. In fact, much of our system isn’t really majoritarian at the national level - more people voted for Democrats in the House last time, yet the GOP has a majority; we’ve talked about how half the Senate represents only 30% of the Country or so; and of course, the popular vote doesn’t mean much of anything with respect to the presidency. Hell, if a State tried to elect a governor by something like the electoral college, it’d be struck down under the republican guarantee clause and/or the equal protection clause - for the same reason States can’t have legislative bodies based on county lines like they used to.

Interesting you bring that up. Mississippi has exactly that, not only must you win the popular vote, you must win the majority of the districts. It hasn’t been challenged because a Republican has been winning, but there’s a possibility that a Democrat could win the popular vote in 2019.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:23:59am

re: #196 Hecuba’s daughter

This Supreme Court can reverse Obergefell — and will likely do so. It’s not just Roe that is on the line. The courts in Germany supported Hitler — the Supreme Court here will support Trump.

It took 60 years before the Court overturned Plessy vs Ferguson. An evil ruling can remain in effect for decades. There is no likelihood of our being able to impeach and convict Kavanaugh once he is on the bench.

Thank you Bernie Bros and Jill supporters for inflicting this on us.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:24:45am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

OTOH the GRU seems to have forgotten some key tradecraft skills.

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Seems the boys and girls in the GRU have never watched an old 70’s crime drama……”$100,000 in small bills - non-sequential, too!”. The demand of every hostage-taker in the 70’s.

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sagehen  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:25:51am

re: #200 Hecuba’s daughter

It took 60 years before the Court overturned Plessy vs Ferguson. An evil ruling can remain in effect for decades. There is no likelihood of our being able to impeach and convict Kavanaugh once he is on the bench.

Thank you Bernie Bros and Jill supporters for inflicting this on us.

They’re called Jill shills.

If you can’t have alliteration, a rhyme is the next best thing.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:25:57am

re: #199 Belafon

Interesting you bring that up. Mississippi has exactly that, not only must you win the popular vote, you must win the majority of the districts. It hasn’t been challenged because a Republican has been winning, but there’s a possibility that a Democrat could win the popular vote in 2019.

??What happens if someone wins the popular vote but not a majority of the districts? Is there a runoff? And what happens then?

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:28:37am

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

??What happens if someone wins the popular vote but not a majority of the districts? Is there a runoff? And what happens then?

It goes to the legislature. This was passed in the 1890s as part of Jim Crow.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:30:23am

re: #204 Belafon

It goes to the legislature. This was passed in the 1890s as part of Jim Crow.

Seems to me that so much that is wrong with a lot of state laws goes back to that. I’ve been reading on the SPLC about an attempt to repeal Louisiana’s only allowing a 9-3 majority to convict someone of a felony. It’s definitely resulted in a lot of innocent people being convicted of murder and yes it’s mostly racial. Too many white people think the Civil Rights Movement ends with MLK being shot and white people realizing “Hey that MLK guy was all right, we’ll give him a holiday.”

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Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:35:25am

Here’s an actually useful observation from a certain infamous access journalist:

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KGxvi  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:37:16am

re: #196 Hecuba’s daughter

This Supreme Court can reverse Obergefell — and will likely do so. It’s not just Roe that is on the line. The courts in Germany supported Hitler — the Supreme Court here will support Trump.

In order for the court to overturn Obergefell, some state would have to ban same sex marriage.

Roe is a bit different because there are little things the states can do to chip away under the “undue burden” standard of Casey

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retired cynic  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:37:46am

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Seriously guys, you know I hardly ever shill, but this is the best thing I’ve bought this year.

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You sold me last night. I bought it.

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:38:26am

If I were Senate Democrats, I’d get statements from every one of the people the FBI ignored and read them into the record during debate.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:40:16am

re: #209 makeitstop

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If I were Senate Democrats, I’d get statements from every one of the people the FBI ignored and read them into the record during debate.

Kavanaugh is such a pathetic scumbag. SHE WAS JUST OUR FRIEND. Fucking douchebag.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:40:45am

re: #207 KGxvi

In order for the court to overturn Obergefell, some state would have to ban same sex marriage.

Roe is a bit different because there are little things the states can do to chip away under the “undue burden” standard of Casey

I’m pretty sure you can find a state willing to do just that.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:41:24am

re: #153 Danack

bloomberg.com

i) That’s not good.
ii) That’s why any backdoor into encryption is going to be used for evil eventually.

But ZTE corp are good people and would never compromise our communications. We should let them back in (per the Orange One).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:41:54am

re: #209 makeitstop

If I were Senate Democrats, I’d get statements from every one of the people the FBI ignored and read them into the record during debate.

The FBI did not ignore them. The FBI was told who they could talk to. Don’t let the conservative narrative set the tone. The FBI was hobbled by the maladministration.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:41:56am

re: #209 makeitstop

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If I were Senate Democrats, I’d get statements from every one of the people the FBI ignored and read them into the record during debate.

How will they explain it away? Easy: They’ll follow Collin’s example in saying the investigation was “thorough,” so if any witnesses were not questioned then the FBI did not feel their testimony was necessary or would add anything to the investigation.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:42:04am

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹

I’m pretty sure you can find a state willing to do just that.

I don’t think he’s saying that wouldn’t happen but merely saying that SCOTUS couldn’t overturn Obergfell without that.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:43:16am

re: #213 Anymouse 🌹

The FBI did not ignore them. The FBI was told who they could talk to. Don’t let the conservative narrative set the tone. The FBI was hobbled by the maladministration.

Yep. Blame the GOP Congress and president for all of it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:44:04am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:45:00am

re: #206 Interesting Times

Here’s an actually useful observation from a certain infamous access journalist:

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Nate Silver also thinks that Kavanaugh’s confirmation could fire up Democrats more than Republicans. Now we are just waiting for Flake, Murkowski and Collins to announce the FBI investigation satisfied their concerns and that they will be voting yes tomorrow and Saturday.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:45:01am

Me: “Ah, finally get a good day off, time to relax and get some gaming in.”

My cat: “Oh good, that means more time for me to lay all over you!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:46:48am

LOL

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Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:47:57am

re: #218 Big Beautiful Door

Nate Silver also thinks that Kavanaugh’s confirmation could fire up Democrats more than Republicans. Now we are just waiting for Flake, Murkowski and Collins to announce the FBI investigation satisfied their concerns and that they will be voting yes tomorrow and Saturday.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:48:48am

re: #218 Big Beautiful Door

Nate Silver also thinks that Kavanaugh’s confirmation could fire up Democrats more than Republicans. Now we are just waiting for Flake, Murkowski and Collins to announce the FBI investigation satisfied their concerns and that they will be voting yes tomorrow and Saturday.

I hope Nate is right about that.

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:50:57am

re: #209 makeitstop

One big theme of next 48 hours may be public statements adding testimony that the FBI would not collect: how will the key senators explain away that?

same as the fbi report, by ignoring it

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:50:59am

re: #218 Big Beautiful Door

Nate Silver also thinks that Kavanaugh’s confirmation could fire up Democrats more than Republicans. Now we are just waiting for Flake, Murkowski and Collins to announce the FBI investigation satisfied their concerns and that they will be voting yes tomorrow and Saturday.

Don’t forget Manchin, who this morning is supposedly back to being a “Yes” or at least leaning heavily that direction. Man does not realize that this vote has become so toxic that it will have the exact opposite effect of what he figures it will, turning away Democrats he desperately needs while Republicans remain glued to his opponent.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:51:36am

re: #221 Interesting Times

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I’m predicting a 52-48 vote for confirmation. Kavanaugh may pick up other Democratic Senators as well, not sure. This was always the most likely outcome.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:52:00am

re: #224 Targetpractice

Don’t forget Manchin, who this morning is supposedly back to being a “Yes” or at least leaning heavily that direction. Man does not realize that this vote has become so toxic that it will have the exact opposite effect of what he figures it will, turning away Democrats he desperately needs while Republicans remain glued to his opponent.

Agh. What the hell changed it?

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:52:38am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Agh. What the hell changed it?

Cowardice.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:53:02am

Catholic Priests in Chile Had to Be Told Not to Touch Children (The Daily Beast)

Also to not kiss them on the mouth, or fondle their genitals.
If you have to send a note like this to your staff, it’s time to shut the business down.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:54:20am

re: #224 Targetpractice

Don’t forget Manchin, who this morning is supposedly back to being a “Yes” or at least leaning heavily that direction. Man does not realize that this vote has become so toxic that it will have the exact opposite effect of what he figures it will, turning away Democrats he desperately needs while Republicans remain glued to his opponent.

Manchin is actually a heavy favorite in his race.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:56:02am

re: #209 makeitstop

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If I were Senate Democrats, I’d get statements from every one of the people the FBI ignored and read them into the record during debate.

The Democrats should read into the record every time Kavanaugh lied, deceived, or evaded questions during the panel inquiry. It is terrible what has been done to Renate; her name would never have become public if the panel had done its job during the original hearings and rejected Kavanaugh based on his dishonesty and the lack of release of documents on his WH years.

Renate would never have known about how the Georgetown Prep thugs treated her. Now she has to carry this new scar for the rest of her life. It certainly appears that the Georgetown Prep administration did not instill morals or decency in their charges. I hope they are doing better today.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:56:02am

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

Manchin is actually a heavy favorite in his race.

Which really makes his vote all the more inexplicable.

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Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:56:04am

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

Manchin is actually a heavy favorite in his race.

So why on earth wouldn’t he feel safe voting “No”? The answers to that question are disturbing to say the least.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:56:50am

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

Manchin is actually a heavy favorite in his race.

Which is why he should vote no. Even if his asshole constiuents don’t care or believe Dr. Ford’s story. Maybe they will feel something when they lose their health care. But hey at least you showed that bitch woman right!

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:58:49am

re: #232 Interesting Times

So why on earth wouldn’t he feel safe voting “No”? The answers to that question are disturbing to say the least.

Isn’t Kavanaugh polling very well in w.va.?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:58:58am

re: #232 Interesting Times

So why on earth wouldn’t he feel safe voting “No”? The answers to that question are disturbing to say the least.

All I can think of is that he doesn’t want to give his opponent ammunition to try to spark a GOP backlash against him. W.V. is one of the most heavily pro-Trump states, and misogyny is part of the Trump brand.

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Citizen K  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:59:12am

Welp, we all learned (or rather, re-learned) a very valuable lesson out of this:

There’s a fucking reason why women tend not to report: it often ends with them not only reliving the trauma, not only watching their attacker go free, but having their own name equated with ‘liar’ at all levels for daring to come forward. It’s a reminder that you will be told your own pain is your own fault and you deserved it for being a lying slut.

And Blasey-Ford just experienced that on a national level.

We’ll get the most anti-woman Supreme Court in decades out of this on top of everything else, ensuring that the victimization will continue ad infinitum, because the GOP only cares about power and winning. And they apparently get to do both without restraint because ‘BOTH SIDES SAME THING’ is forever.

Fuck everything.

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 8:59:13am

re: #221 Interesting Times

Jeff Flake says he agrees with Susan Collins that the FBI investigation was “thorough” and that “no new corroborative information came out of it - that’s accurate.” Flake adds: “Thus far, we’ve seen no new credible corroboration — no new corroboration at all.”

flake et al are still playing this like ‘preponderance of the evidence’ he said / she said

even if literally true the the fbi didnt turn up any new corroborative….

there was already more than enough to disqualify kav because the accusation was credible and serious (let alone the perjury, finances, etc)

NOONE should be elevated to the court under a cloud, unfair thought that might be
NOONE should be elevated to the court who is of ANY questionable character

this is about the court, NOT the individual’s reputation or whether he was treated ‘fairly’

there are 328 million people in the US.
it shouldnt be that hard

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:00:24am

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

I’m predicting a 52-48 vote for confirmation. Kavanaugh may pick up other Democratic Senators as well, not sure. This was always the most likely outcome.

another way of saying the entirety of the events last week didnt matter a whit to the 52

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:01:41am

re: #238 dangerman

another way of saying the entirety of the events last week didnt matter a whit to the 52

Unless the FBI “investigation” produced a bombshell, and it was designed so that that wouldn’t happen.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:02:12am

re: #237 dangerman

flake et al are still playing this like ‘preponderance of the evidence’ he said / she said

even if literally true the the fbi didnt turn up any new corroborative….

there was already more than enough to disqualify kav because the accusation was credible and serious (let alone the perjury, finances, etc)

NOONE should be elevated to the court under a cloud, unfair thought that might be
NOONE should be elevated to the court who is of ANY questionable character

this is about the court, NOT the individual’s reputation or whether he was treated ‘fairly’

there are 328 million people in the US.
it shouldnt be that hard

Could they just humor me and say the investigation should have at least included a conversation with Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford? Pretty please?

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:02:35am

My guess is Flake and Collins hoped that a week-long break would allow things to “cool,” that some other news story would come along in that week and knock this off the stage long enough for them to vote “Yes” and then head for the exits.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:02:40am

He’s going to be the most controversial SCOTUS judge ever but knowing our national ADD, it will fade away sort of like Clarence Thomas did until the next time a Republican president appoints a prick like that to SCOTUS and then we’ll have the Republican Senators talking about Kavanaugh the way they do Thomas, a wronged man and Dr. Ford’s life will be turned upside down again since she will be asked for itnerviews.

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William Lewis  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:03:46am

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

Crickets from the NRA on seven police officers and sheriff’s deputies shot (including one long-time veteran killed).

A push on gun safety regulation now might blunt the screeching from the NRA and GOP about “politicising tragedy” - the immediate response being they favour killing cops then?

But they have to allow thier white male supporters to own and kill with lots of guns. If they didn’t, they might realize that all their other actual rights and freedoms were being taken away by the reactionaries in Congress and the White House.

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:04:44am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

He’s going to be the most controversial SCOTUS judge ever but knowing our national ADD, it will fade away sort of like Clarence Thomas did until the next time a Republican president appoints a prick like that to SCOTUS and then we’ll have the Republican Senators talking about Kavanaugh the way they do Thomas, a wronged man and Dr. Ford’s life will be turned upside down again since she will be asked for itnerviews.

at least we havent had to listen to thomas all these years

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:05:46am

re: #243 William Lewis

But they have to allow thier white male supporters to own and kill with lots of guns. If they didn’t, they might realize that all their other actual rights and freedoms were being taken away by the reactionaries in Congress and the White House.

Please — the only right these people care about is the right to bear arms. They have no interest in anything else — except of course, to make sure women and minorities know their place.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:06:15am

re: #244 dangerman

at least we havent had to listen to thomas all these years

Ha somehow I don’t think Kavanaugh is going to become a Reticient Brett. I’m not looking forward to his “What goes around comes around.” I didn’t trust him to be impartial before this and I sure as hell do not know knowing he has a grudge.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:06:32am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

He’s going to be the most controversial SCOTUS judge ever but knowing our national ADD, it will fade away sort of like Clarence Thomas did until the next time a Republican president appoints a prick like that to SCOTUS and then we’ll have the Republican Senators talking about Kavanaugh the way they do Thomas, a wronged man and Dr. Ford’s life will be turned upside down again since she will be asked for itnerviews.

I think with each major regressive decision, we’ll get to remember anew that Kavanaugh is a partisan hack.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:07:26am

re: #247 Mike Lamb

I think with each major regressive decision, we’ll get to remember anew that Kavanaugh is a partisan hack.

That’s exactly why the GOP want him on the court even though he’s a vile POS.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:07:55am

re: #247 Mike Lamb

I think with each major regressive decision, we’ll get to remember anew that Kavanaugh is a partisan hack.

I hope so. I really do. I just think sometimes the nation gets Amnesia which is how not even 2 years after the Financial Crisis we rewarded them with the House and then four years later with the Senate. Of course, a lot of that is on Dem voters who do not vote in midterms.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:07:56am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Ha somehow I don’t think Kavanaugh is going to become a Reticient Brett. I’m not looking forward to his “What goes around comes around.” I didn’t trust him to be impartial before this and I sure as hell do not know knowing he has a grudge.

Not just a grudge, paranoid delusions about the Clintons. The man belongs at Free Republic, rather than any position of responsibility.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:08:14am

re: #247 Mike Lamb

I think with each major regressive decision, we’ll get to remember anew that Kavanaugh is a partisan hack.

Just wait until next term when the Court starts allowing states to close all their abortion clinics, unless Roberts decides that is bad politics in an election year.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:08:22am

re: #248 Dr. Matt

That’s exactly why the GOP want him on the court even though he’s vile POS.

That’s exactly why he has his current job and why he was nominated for this. He’s not a judge. He’s a GOP op.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:11:16am

The DCCC is trying to stoke some resentment of the rich in the midterms, which is probably good politics. More of this please!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:12:57am

re: #253 Big Beautiful Door

The DCCC is trying to stoke some resentment of the rich in the midterms, which is probably good politics. More of this please!

I don’t resent the rich. I do resent when they don’t pay back into the system that allowed them to become rich.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:15:20am

re: #254 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I don’t resent the rich. I do resent when they don’t pay back into the system that allowed them to become rich.

That is the resentment we want, since the GOP is all about redistributing the nation’s wealth to the wealthy.

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gocart mozart  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:16:44am
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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:17:03am

re: #174 jeffreyw

How about “hot water maker” and be done with it.

: )

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:18:20am

re: #253 Big Beautiful Door

The DCCC is trying to stoke some resentment of the rich in the midterms, which is probably good politics. More of this please!

It’s needed. Republicans are the party of snobs and out of touch dickheads. Some may wear blue collars and some may wear suits.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:18:40am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

I’m tired of this guy. And others like him. I know the consequences but fuck em at this point. We need Republican loyalty in the Democratic Party. Period…..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:18:50am

re: #256 gocart mozart

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Maybe the President of this country should be transparent about his taxes but I guess that’s too much ask.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:19:20am

re: #256 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:19:21am

re: #259 Dave In Austin

I’m tired of this guy. And others like him. I know the consequences but fuck em at this point. We need Republican loyalty in the Democratic Party. Period…..

I mean yeah i get that it’s a very Republican state but they elected you as a Democrat for a reason.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:19:53am

re: #218 Big Beautiful Door

Nate Silver also thinks that Kavanaugh’s confirmation could fire up Democrats more than Republicans. Now we are just waiting for Flake, Murkowski and Collins to announce the FBI investigation satisfied their concerns and that they will be voting yes tomorrow and Saturday.

Just as Criswell Bacon predicted! They’re falling in line!

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:20:09am

I’m off to bed, y’all. It’s way past my bedtime here in Mythical Time Zone.

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sagehen  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:20:23am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:21:33am

re: #265 sagehen

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American exceptionalism.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:22:11am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

I hope so. I really do. I just think sometimes the nation gets Amnesia which is how not even 2 years after the Financial Crisis we rewarded them with the House and then four years later with the Senate. Of course, a lot of that is on Dem voters who do not vote in midterms.

How much of that is due to the following:
1. States with no or very limited early voting; there are many workers who cannot afford time on election day
2. Draconian id or registration requirements
3. Permanent disenfranchisement of those convicted of felonies who have completed their sentences
4. Inconvenient polling places for those who do not have access to vehicles
5. Effective disenfranchisement of the many poor who do not have a permanent residence

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:22:30am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

I mean yeah i get that it’s a very Republican state but they elected you as a Democrat for a reason.

Well whatever you think of Manchin a conservative Democrat is still a lot less conservative than the kind of Republican W.V. would elect in Manchin’s place. And like it or not, any chance of the Democrats regaining control of the Senate heavily depends on Manchin getting re-elected, though those chances are dimming with Heitkamp facing an uphill battle.

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:22:40am

re: #207 KGxvi

In order for the court to overturn Obergefell, some state would have to ban same sex marriage.

Which will take some Jesus-loving state about three seconds once Kavanaugh in on the bench…if he is on the bench.

Still holding out a little hope…a little.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:23:09am

re: #265 sagehen

I suppose it’s too much to ask to live in a civilised country that doesn’t bankrupt you for healthcare …

There is a woman in my town who lives in a smaller house than I do.

She and her husband used to own a 10,000 acre ranch. In land and cattle, they were millionaires.

Then her hub came down with cancer. The ranch and cattle were sold to support her hubs medical bills.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:24:19am

re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter

How much of that is due to the following:
1. States with no or very limited early voting; there are many workers who cannot afford time on election day
2. Draconian id or registration requirements
3. Permanent disenfranchisement of those convicted of felonies who have completed their sentences
4. Inconvenient polling places for those who do not have access to vehicles
5. Effective disenfranchisement of the many poor who do not have a permanent residence

I know believe me I know but a lot of us slacked off in 2010 too. And do not get me started on how people under 30 vote.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:24:52am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

I suppose it’s too much to ask to live in a civilised country that doesn’t bankrupt you for healthcare …

There is a woman in my town who lives in a smaller house than I do.

She and her husband used to own a 10,000 acre ranch. In land and cattle, they were millionaires.

Then her hub came down with cancer. The ranch and cattle were sold to support her hubs medical bills.

And I bet they were Republicans who believed in personal responsibility.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:25:47am

re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter

How much of that is due to the following:
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5. Effective disenfranchisement of the many poor who do not have a permanent residence

I did not vote in 2008 for President Obama (or anyone at all) due to my previous homelessness that ended, followed by Oklahoma’s restrictive laws on requiring documentation I was unable to obtain before the cutoff for registration. (I was also prevented from voting in elections from 1996 through that time for the same homeless reason.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:25:50am

re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter

How much of that is due to the following:
1. States with no or very limited early voting; there are many workers who cannot afford time on election day
2. Draconian id or registration requirements
3. Permanent disenfranchisement of those convicted of felonies who have completed their sentences
4. Inconvenient polling places for those who do not have access to vehicles
5. Effective disenfranchisement of the many poor who do not have a permanent residence

It would be interesting to see what turnout would be like if the government actually made an effort to maximize it by making voting convenient.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:27:10am

re: #272 Big Beautiful Door

And I bet they were Republicans who believed in personal responsibility.

I don’t know what her party affiliation is (or his was). She is the town Quaker if that means anything (but Nixon was also a Quaker).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:27:31am

re: #274 Big Beautiful Door

It would be interesting to see what turnout would be like if the government actually made an effort to maximize it by making voting convenient.

When I was young and naive, even the Republicans pretended like everyone voting was a good thing.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:28:13am

re: #274 Big Beautiful Door

It would be interesting to see what turnout would be like if the government actually made an effort to maximize it by making voting convenient.

Republican governments are against that: their ideal is that voting be restricted to white males and they are working hard at making that a reality.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:28:46am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know what her party affiliation is (or his was). She is the town Quaker if that means anything (but Nixon was also a Quaker).

Yeah but Nixon was a dick before he was a Quaker :). That really is too bad. I just don’t get how we haven’t figured this problem out as a nation the way our counterparts have. ACA is a step in the right direction but it’s a long way to go.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:28:48am

re: #274 Big Beautiful Door

It would be interesting to see what turnout would be like if the government actually made an effort to maximize it by making voting convenient.

It’s really convenient here with mail voting. Turns out conservatives are all in favour of easy access when they benefit from it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:29:14am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

It’s really convenient here with mail voting. Turns out conservatives are all in favour of easy access when they benefit from it.

Just like everything else.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:29:23am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know what her party affiliation is (or his was). She is the town Quaker if that means anything (but Nixon was also a Quaker).

Did the husband become ill before the ACA so that they did not have an opportunity to purchase real health care?

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:29:49am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

American exceptionalism.

You think a non-American’s Nobel Prize would have fetched that much money at auction?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:29:51am

re: #265 sagehen

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some wannabe bought it to change the name and present it to the moron-in-chief…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:30:39am

re: #281 Hecuba’s daughter

Did the husband become ill before the ACA so that they did not have an opportunity to purchase real health care?

Pretty much. I don’t know all of the issues surrounding his insurance situation, but when we moved here, they were already in the tiny house and he was dying.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:30:43am

re: #282 Mike Lamb

You think a non-American’s Nobel Prize would have fetched that much money at auction?

Well I was talking about the fact that the poor guy was forced to sell his life’s crowning achievement to pay for his medical bills.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:32:05am

You know, I was thinking about the fact that many including myself won’t make as much as our parents did. And I guess that’s the real downfall of the American dream. We always dream that we could improve or at least maintain what our parents got. I’m not asking for a pity party but there’s a lot wrong with how our economy has been running.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:33:48am

re: #268 Big Beautiful Door

Well whatever you think of Manchin a conservative Democrat is still a lot less conservative than the kind of Republican W.V. would elect in Manchin’s place. And like it or not, any chance of the Democrats regaining control of the Senate heavily depends on Manchin getting re-elected, though those chances are dimming with Heitkamp facing an uphill battle.

You’re absolutely correct on this. And again I hope and believe they will be kicked out. If we need faux Republicans to gain the Senate, fuck them. We need to build on our own merits. Those red states can rot in hell for all I care at this point. The South can secede now. I have no issue. I’m in Texas and I’ll move.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:34:13am

re: #251 Big Beautiful Door

Just wait until next term when the Court starts allowing states to close all their abortion clinics, unless Roberts decides that is bad politics in an election year.

Mildly terrifying that the fate of so many relying on Roberts’ sense of decorum and not wanting to leave a shit legacy (whatever that means for him).

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:34:41am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Yeah but Nixon was a dick before he was a Quaker :). That really is too bad. I just don’t get how we haven’t figured this problem out as a nation the way our counterparts have. ACA is a step in the right direction but it’s a long way to go.

Because the GOP is expert at dividing us by our differences, particularly race, so that government is run to benefit the wealthy.

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:35:11am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I hope Nate is right about that.

well, collins thought it was a wonderful report, and she’s on board, so quelle surprise there.

291
gocart mozart  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:36:02am
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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:36:17am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Well I was talking about the fact that the poor guy was forced to sell his life’s crowning achievement to pay for his medical bills.

I know. I was being sarcastic.

293
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:36:32am

re: #289 Big Beautiful Door

Because the GOP is expert at dividing us by our differences, particularly race, so that government is run to benefit the wealthy.

If they ever succeeded in purging minorities, they’d divide the rest of us by eye or hair-color.

294
Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:37:18am

re: #287 Dave In Austin

You’re absolutely correct on this. And again I hope and believe they will be kicked out. If we need faux Republicans to gain the Senate, fuck them. We need to build on our own merits. Those red states can rot in hell for all I care at this point. The South can secede now. I have no issue. I’m in Texas and I’ll move.

Planning on helping others not in your position, or is it every liberal man and woman for themselves and if they can’t get out, well, that’s the price they pay?

Sounds pretty Republican to me: I got mine, screw others like me.

295
HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:38:04am

re: #292 Mike Lamb

I know. I was being sarcastic.

Aha sorry. I’m a bit literal minded.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:38:25am

re: #289 Big Beautiful Door

Because the GOP is expert at dividing us by our differences, particularly race, so that government is run to benefit the wealthy.

They are. They really are.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:39:37am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

It’s really convenient here with mail voting. Turns out conservatives are all in favour of easy access when they benefit from it.

I am not a big fan of voting by mail. There is no way to validate who actually completed the form; a parent can vote for a child, a husband can vote for a wife. I know personally of a case years ago where a son voted for his mother with Alzheimer’s and was totally incapable of making any decisions; his vote was the opposite of what his mother would have done when she had her faculties. When our mother had Alzheimer’s and was voting, she still had very strong opinions and we followed her wishes even when we disagreed.

There is also the problem that the vote cannot be made confidential; a domineering spouse can force the other to vote their wishes.

298
Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:40:04am

re: #294 Anymouse 🌹

Angry…..

299
dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:41:01am

re: #257 ObserverArt

How about “hot water maker” and be done with it.

: )

it’s also a hot water maintainer

300
dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:42:52am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Maybe the President of this country should be transparent about his taxes but I guess that’s too much ask.

taxes
finances
investments

anything that would allow you and yours to individually profit from decisions you would make as the office holder

301
Big Beautiful Door  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:42:56am

re: #288 Mike Lamb

Mildly terrifying that the fate of so many relying on Roberts’ sense of decorum and not wanting to leave a shit legacy (whatever that means for him).

That’s the reality. When the new term starts, Roberts will have 4 justices to his right and 4 to his left, and that means he not only decides who wins every case, he gets to write the majority opinion, or appoint the person who will. As of now, the Constitution will mean exactly what Roberts wants it to mean.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:43:37am

re: #291 gocart mozart

Harry Turtledove
@HNTurtledove
#OddThingsToAskAVampire

If you’re a Jewish vampire, do you flee in horror when someone makes the sign of the Star of David at you?

10:20 AM - Oct 4, 2018

Polanski’s “Fearless Vampire Killers” answered that question: crosses don’t work against Jewish vampires, so obviously you need a Star of David!

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steve_davis  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:45:17am

re: #251 Big Beautiful Door

Just wait until next term when the Court starts allowing states to close all their abortion clinics, unless Roberts decides that is bad politics in an election year.

can the supreme court refuse to sit a justice? I kind of wonder.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:46:39am

re: #297 Hecuba’s daughter

I am not a big fan of voting by mail. There is no way to validate who actually completed the form; a parent can vote for a child, a husband can vote for a wife. I know personally of a case years ago where a son voted for his mother with Alzheimer’s and was totally incapable of making any decisions; his vote was the opposite of what his mother would have done when she had her faculties. When our mother had Alzheimer’s and was voting, she still had very strong opinions and we followed her wishes even when we disagreed.

There is also the problem that the vote cannot be made confidential; a domineering spouse can force the other to vote their wishes.

That is a problem. Ballots can also be stolen from mailboxes.

The same can be argued for an absentee ballot, and there’s really not much way for citizens abroad or deployed military to vote other than by mail ballots.

Here the requirement is the outer envelope is to be signed by the voter, with a witness signature. The voter’s signature can be compared to the registration card kept on file by the county clerk.

But even in private voting booths, a spouse or another person can offer undue influence (take a picture of your ballot and it better be the way I told you to vote).

Ultimately, any balloting system can be manipulated. The question is how much: To steal ballots from mailboxes for example, you’d have to steal a lot of them to really influence a statewide election. For a Federal election such a campaign of theft would have to be so vast it would be nigh impossible to hide.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:46:49am

re: #303 steve_davis

can the supreme court refuse to sit a justice? I kind of wonder.

I doubt it. And I think Gorsuch even if he’s not a creep like Kavanaugh would welcome his GT Prep bro.

306
dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:47:35am

re: #274 Big Beautiful Door

It would be interesting to see what turnout would be like if the government actually made an effort to maximize it by making voting convenient.

the r’s would get creamed and they know it

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:48:53am

Well, I said I was off to bed some time ago. I really mean it now. Catch y’all later.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:49:44am

re: #306 dangerman

the r’s would get creamed and they know it

The R’s bloc is white men and then there’s everyone else.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:49:45am

re: #251 Big Beautiful Door

Just wait until next term when the Court starts allowing states to close all their abortion clinics, unless Roberts decides that is bad politics in an election year.

It will make no difference. The wealthy can still get their abortions in the states where it remains legal; Republicans only care about the wealthy. And the new Supreme Court may very well destroy the ACA.

The GOP Congress is working to destroy Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid. They will all be gone if Republicans retain their control of Congress.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:50:05am

re: #301 Big Beautiful Door

That’s the reality. When the new term starts, Roberts will have 4 justices to his right and 4 to his left, and that means he not only decides who wins every case, he gets to write the majority opinion, or appoint the person who will. As of now, the Constitution will mean exactly what Roberts wants it to mean.

Kennedy on steroids.

311
Skip Intro  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:52:10am

re: #263 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just as Criswell Bacon predicted! They’re falling in line!

That was almost as hard to predict as the sun rising in the east today.

312
Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:52:33am

Oooh, here’s an interesting idea - no, I’m certainly not saying it’s likely to succeed, but since we’re rapidly approaching “nothing left to lose” territory, why not try it anyway? Pressure Kyl to recuse himself from the vote due to conflict of interest:

Read the whole thread.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:53:43am

re: #306 dangerman

the r’s would get creamed and they know it

Yeah, if there were a real effort made to maximize voter turnout, the GOP would be rendered a permanent, regional minority party - and they damn well know it.

314
dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:54:15am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

The R’s bloc is white men and then there’s everyone else.

this is truly the sad thing about america right now
participation has been dropping for a long time
sure, some is due to efforts to restrict and disfranchise

and this is still true:
if *all* women voted they would wield enormous power
if *all* lower income people voted *they* would wield enormous power
if young people would get off their collective asses…..

315
Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:55:23am

re: #314 dangerman

this is truly the sad thing about america right now
participation has been dropping for a long time
sure, some is due to efforts to restrict and disfranchise

and this is still true:
if *all* women voted they would wield enormous power
if *all* lower income people voted *they* would wield enormous power
if young people would get off their collective asses…..

If Latinos in Texas would vote at the same percentage they do in California, they would control the state.

316
Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:56:10am

re: #312 Interesting Times

Oooh, here’s an interesting idea - no, I’m certainly not saying it’s likely to succeed, but since we’re rapidly approaching “nothing left to lose” territory, why not try it anyway? Pressure Kyl to recuse himself from the vote due to conflict of interest:

[Embedded content]

Read the whole thread.

Has any senator recused him/herself on a vote like this due to a conflict of interest?

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Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:57:46am

re: #316 Mike Lamb

Has any senator recused him/herself on a vote like this due to a conflict of interest?

That’s why I said it wasn’t likely to succeed. But worth trying anyway just to say you did (and set an ever-so-slight Overton-window-shifting precedent - that is, planting the idea that it’s even a thing that could/should be done).

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:57:50am

re: #312 Interesting Times

Oooh, here’s an interesting idea - no, I’m certainly not saying it’s likely to succeed, but since we’re rapidly approaching “nothing left to lose” territory, why not try it anyway? Pressure Kyl to recuse himself from the vote due to conflict of interest:

[Embedded content]

Read the whole thread.

unless you could point to some rule or ‘standard’ its just another thing they can ignore

and even if there was such a ‘rule’ how has adherence to rules, laws, precedence, normatives, etc been working

mcconnell’s steamrolled every rule that was in his way

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Mike Lamb  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:59:38am

re: #317 Interesting Times

That’s why I said it wasn’t likely to succeed. But worth trying anyway just to say you did (and set an ever-so-slight Overton-window-shifting precedent - that is, planting the idea that it’s even a thing that could/should be done).

I’m just not sure that I agree that it’s even a conflict of interest for Kyl any more than it would be a conflict for a congressperson to vote for a bill that she/he wrote.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:59:56am

Horrifying article on how China has likely placed super-micro chips on motherboards for servers used in government and industry, but that aside, I love this paragraph:

Elemental servers sold for as much as $100,000 each, at profit margins of as high as 70 percent, according to a former adviser to the company. Two of Elemental’s biggest early clients were the Mormon church, which used the technology to beam sermons to congregations around the world, and the adult film industry, which did not.

bloomberg.com

321
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2018 • 9:59:59am

re: #302 Hecuba’s daughter

Polanski’s “Fearless Vampire Killers” answered that question: crosses don’t work against Jewish vampires, so obviously you need a Star of David!

I first saw that on late-night TV a year or so after the Tate-LaBianca murders, so that was…weird.

322
Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:02:13am

To be filed under words I never dreamed I’d be typing back in 2012: this Jennifer Rubin column will likely be the best thing you’ll read all day:

Republicans, too, could win this fight for the swing Supreme Court seat, but they cannot bestow legitimacy upon Kavanaugh or erase their record of weaponized misogyny. Progressives will seek his recusal in every case of political significance. Every 5-4 decision in which Kavanaugh is the deciding vote will be denounced as illegitimate, the work of a partisan judge elevated to the court by nefarious means. The decision will be respected legally in the short term, but in the future, it will be argued, the decision should carry zero precedential weight. Those he once accused of participating in a left-wing cabal will seek to vacate cases they lose in which Kavanaugh was the deciding vote. In future cases, they will urge justices and lower court judges to downgrade the importance of these decisions, in effect treating them as unpublished opinions that should not impact future cases.

Read the whole thing - the great thing about genuine Never-Trump Republicans is they can give Dems successful tips from the fight-hard-and-dirty playbook.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:03:50am

re: #291 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

But what if the vampire is…AN ATHEIST?????????

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:05:48am

re: #322 Interesting Times

To be filed under words I never dreamed I’d be typing back in 2012: this Jennifer Rubin column will likely be the best thing you’ll read all day:

[Embedded content]

Read the whole thing - the great thing about genuine Never-Trump Republicans is they can give Dems successful tips from the fight-hard-and-dirty playbook.

Related: Conservatives have disowned Rubin, and are demanding that the WaPo stop calling her one.

325
dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:05:50am

re: #315 Belafon

If Latinos in Texas would vote at the same percentage they do in California, they would control the state.

It’s
So
Simple

326
Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:07:45am

More evidence (as if you needed it) that GOPers are vicious, unadulterated filth:

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:08:52am

re: #323 Joe Bacon 🌹

But what if the vampire is…AN ATHEIST?????????

Heh…..we’ve had Nazi zombies so why not Bolshevik vampires?

328
HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:09:45am

re: #324 makeitstop

Related: Conservatives have disowned Rubin, and are demanding that the WaPo stop calling her one.

[Embedded content]

It’s a cult.

329
dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:10:27am

re: #324 makeitstop

Related: Conservatives have disowned Rubin, and are demanding that the WaPo stop calling her one.

What a fascinating document. I mean it. It basically says you can’t be called a conservative any more if you aren’t pro-Trump. This letter needs its own exhibit in the museum of culture warl

[Embedded content]

Are there Membership cards?
Spandex jackets?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:10:32am

re: #327 Dr Lizardo

Heh…..we’ve had Nazi zombies so why not Bolshevik vampires?

Anarchist Werewolves. Monarchist Mummies. Libertarian Frankenstein!

331
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:11:05am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:12:43am

re: #331 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Embedded content]

Did they check to see if Roy Moore was one of the callers?

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Interesting Times  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:13:11am

I just had another horrible, sickening thought - remember how hate crimes spiked after Cheeto Benito’s win, and continue to rise as bigots feel emboldened?

If Beer Keg Brett is confirmed, we could see the same thing happen with sexual assaults - rapists feeling emboldened now that one of their own is on the highest court.

Flake, Collins, Murkowski - hope you’re happy potentially having that on your pathetic excuses of a conscience.

334
Sir John Barron  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:14:35am

re: #324 makeitstop

Related: Conservatives have disowned Rubin, and are demanding that the WaPo stop calling her one.

The Fairness Doctrine was the Worst Sinister Evil Since Hitler and also we demand the Wash Post hire a real actual Trumpy Conservative. Kthanks

335
HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:17:04am

re: #334 Sir John Barron

The Fairness Doctrine was the Worst Sinister Evil Since Hitler and also we demand the Wash Post hire a real actual Trumpy Conservative. Kthanks

Is Kathleen Parker and her lame attempt to make Lindsay Graham out to be Kavanaugh’s Jiminy Cricket not good enough. Jen is a conservative. She’s just not a cultist asshole who actually has some principles unlike the people who wrote this stupid letter is TRUMP UBER ALLES.

336
HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:17:29am

re: #333 Interesting Times

I just had another horrible, sickening thought - remember how hate crimes spiked after Cheeto Benito’s win, and continue to rise as bigots feel emboldened?

If Beer Keg Brett is confirmed, we could see the same thing happen with sexual assaults - rapists feeling emboldened now that one of their own is on the highest court.

Flake, Collins, Murkowski - hope you’re happy potentially having that on your pathetic excuses of a conscience.

Gah I never thought about that. Goddamn it man, goddamn it.

337
Citizen K  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:17:59am

re: #333 Interesting Times

I just had another horrible, sickening thought - remember how hate crimes spiked after Cheeto Benito’s win, and continue to rise as bigots feel emboldened?

If Beer Keg Brett is confirmed, we could see the same thing happen with sexual assaults - rapists feeling emboldened now that one of their own is on the highest court.

Flake, Collins, Murkowski - hope you’re happy potentially having that on your pathetic excuses of a conscience.

Why shouldn’t they be happy? They’ll guarantee the persistence of conservative power for at least 2 generations because of this. So who cares if women will be de facto second class citizens, even moreso than before? Wins and power are all that matter.

338
HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:20:50am

I guess it reallly triggers them that Jen not only goes after Trump but she’s go after the entire Republican Party who have decided that they like this pos.

339
Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:21:54am

re: #326 Interesting Times

More evidence (as if you needed it) that GOPers are vicious, unadulterated filth:

[Embedded content]

Quick, somebody call the “Both Sides” Chorus to moan about the lack of civility in American politics!

340
HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:23:38am

re: #339 Targetpractice

Quick, somebody call the “Both Sides” Chorus to moan about the lack of civility in American politics!

And yet that fucking moron Candice Owens thinks Kavanaugh is a modern Emmett Till.

341
Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:24:16am
342
Belafon  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:27:03am

re: #341 Charles Johnson

Right now, all we have is trying to get a few Republicans to do something different. There isn’t any other choice until the elections.

343
Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:30:54am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

And yet that fucking moron Candice Owens thinks Kavanaugh is a modern Emmett Till.

Don’t insult her on Twitter because your account will be suspended! @jack now defending his fellow right wing pals!

344
HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:33:09am

re: #343 Joe Bacon 🌹

Don’t insult her on Twitter because your account will be suspended! @jack now defending his fellow right wing pals!

I don’t have a Twitter account. She’s a stupid moron as is her even dumber friend Charlie Kirk.

345
Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:35:44am

re: #341 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I’ve been saying it for weeks now, this has all been an exercise in ticking boxes on a checklist. Anyone who really believed that any of the “moderate” Republicans were going to be our saviors set themselves up to look like fools.

For the rest of us, the only consolation prize in all this is that Jeff Flake has no political future after this week. Whatever excuses he makes in future political runs for why he was “anti-Trump” and yet kept supporting Trump’s agenda are going to sound as hollow as the man is.

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dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:38:27am

If the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee is so intent on passing off such blatant, obvious distortions in the name of suppressing the voices of women and destroying the integrity of the court in the name of partisanship … it seems only right that this moment should be memorialized by labeling it with the name of the man who made it possible.”

It was one hell of a — Grassleyassed Investigation

Not my original

347
dangerman  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:39:11am

re: #343 Joe Bacon 🌹

Don’t insult her on Twitter because your account will be suspended! @jack now defending his fellow right wing pals!

#shoo

348
Citizen K  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:40:24am

re: #345 Targetpractice

I’ve been saying it for weeks now, this has all been an exercise in ticking boxes on a checklist. Anyone who really believed that any of the “moderate” Republicans were going to be our saviors set themselves up to look like fools.

For the rest of us, the only consolation prize in all this is that Jeff Flake has no political future after this week. Whatever excuses he makes in future political runs for why he was “anti-Trump” and yet kept supporting Trump’s agenda are going to sound as hollow as the man is.

This assumes there will actually be a price paid for blatant hypocrisy as a Republican. Not an impossibility but rare enough to be a sucker’s bet.

349
The Vicious Babushka  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:42:32am

re: #302 Hecuba’s daughter

Polanski’s “Fearless Vampire Killers” answered that question: crosses don’t work against Jewish vampires, so obviously you need a Star of David!

A mezuzah would also work.

350
ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:53:36am

re: #324 makeitstop

Related: Conservatives have disowned Rubin, and are demanding that the WaPo stop calling her one.

[Embedded content]

Well, if that isn’t a fine display of asshole thinking.

Why would any moderate conservative ever consider going back to that party again if they are now a neverTrumper and calling themselves independent?

They don’t want you.

edit to add: That is a fine list of extremists signing that letter.

351
HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:55:21am

re: #350 ObserverArt

Well, if that isn’t a fine display of asshole thinking.

Why would any moderate conservative ever consider going back to that party again if they are now a neverTrumper and calling themselves independent?

They don’t want you.

I think they really think Trump is a phase rather than what their party’s present and future is.

352
ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2018 • 10:56:41am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

I think they really think Trump is a phase rather than what their party’s present and future is.

They should come to grips with the fact they no longer have a party.

353
Scottish Dragon  Oct 4, 2018 • 11:02:01am

re: #322 Interesting Times

To be filed under words I never dreamed I’d be typing back in 2012: this Jennifer Rubin column will likely be the best thing you’ll read all day:

[Embedded content]

Read the whole thing - the great thing about genuine Never-Trump Republicans is they can give Dems successful tips from the fight-hard-and-dirty playbook.

Jennifer Rubin has completely left the GOP reservation. Her editorials are white hot female rage. We need more of that.

354
Scottish Dragon  Oct 4, 2018 • 11:03:38am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Is Kathleen Parker and her lame attempt to make Lindsay Graham out to be Kavanaugh’s Jiminy Cricket not good enough. Jen is a conservative. She’s just not a cultist asshole who actually has some principles unlike the people who wrote this stupid letter is TRUMP UBER ALLES.

Not sure she calls herself conservative anymore. I have been reading her and her disgust with what happened to the conservative movement is something to behold.

355
Jebediah, RBG  Oct 4, 2018 • 1:45:21pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

It’s needed. Republicans are the party of snobs and out of touch dickheads. Some may wear blue collars and some may wear suits.

Snobs and knobs


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How Smooth Jazz Took Over the ’90s You should give smooth jazz a chance. Subscribe to our channel! goo.gl Smooth jazz has gotten a bad rap for decades. It’s often associated with background music for elevators or the soundtrack at the dentist office. Smooth jazz is ...
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Feds Target Butina’s GOP Boyfriend as Foreign Agent Paul Erickson, a longtime Republican politico whose Russian girlfriend is in jail on charges she acted as a covert foreign agent, has been informed that he may face similar accusations. The Daily Beast reviewed a so-called “target letter” that ...
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Police: Charge Benjamin and Sara Netanyahu With Bribery in Telecom Case - Israel News - Haaretz.com The police and Israel Securities Authority on Sunday recommended indicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyau and his wife, Sara, as well as media mogul Shaul Elovitch and his wife, Iris, for bribery and other corruption charges in the investigation dubbed ...
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