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S'latch  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:30:25am

Never. Trust. Any. Republican. Ever.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:38:53am

Three of Kavanaugh’s college drinking buddies wrote an op-ed together, washingtonpost.com, after writing separate ones, pointing out his lying during the confirmation hearings:

None of this is what we wanted, but we felt it our civic duty to speak the truth and say that Brett lied under oath while seeking to become a Supreme Court justice. That is our one and only message, but it is a significant one. For we each believe that telling the truth, no matter how difficult, is a moral obligation for our nation’s leaders. No one should be able to lie their way onto the Supreme Court. Honesty is the glue that holds together a society of laws. Lies are the solvent that dissolves those bonds.

Hear that, Flake?

(No, I don’t expect Flake to change his mind.)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:42:05am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:43:15am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:43:33am

The fix is in and the reputation of the court is now in the toilet where this corrupted court belongs.

Note that The Economist will once again downgrade America on their index deeper into their flawed democracy column.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:47:59am

re: #2 Belafon

Three of Kavanaugh’s college drinking buddies wrote an op-ed together, washingtonpost.com, after writing separate ones, pointing out his lying during the confirmation hearings:

Hear that, Flake?

(No, I don’t expect Flake to change his mind.)

the r’s are treating this sort of like a trial with ‘inadmissable evidence’ everyone knows would fry the accused

not in the official fbi report?
then we dont have to consider it (fingers in ears, lalalalala)

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:50:00am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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It was always thus

Flake just parlayed it into a week’s worth of attention on him

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:58:01am

re: #7 dangerman

It was always thus

Flake just parlayed it into a week’s worth of attention on him

To put it in modern parlance, Flake and those who played at waffling on voting “Aye” for Kavanaugh did it for the fucking lulz.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:59:04am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:01:22am

re: #9 wrenchwench

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Lives up to his name minus the l.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:01:58am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:04:26am
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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:07:31am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Lives up to his name minus the l.

I suspect his spine is made of flakes, Turns to mush when exposed to the milk of human kindness. Becomes crispy again as soon as money appears in the bowl.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:08:02am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Can’t let a pesky thing like snowballs on the Senate floor get in the way of those petroleum company campaign donations.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:09:10am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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One of the most blatant examples of someone bought and paid for by an industry and his constituents don’t care.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:10:26am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:11:33am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:11:41am

re: #16 Kragar

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Not odd at all Erick. You always go back to Team Rightwing Douche. But thanks for proving that you’re still the goat fucking child molester we know and loathe.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:12:16am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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This ain’t journalism. These are just douchebags. Fucking assholes.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:13:28am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:14:01am

Man it’s amazing how the RW propaganda works. Guys keep an eye out on SM for an image of DiFi with the caption “This woman should apologize and then resign for what she did to Judge Kavanaugh.” This whole thing makes me so sick.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:14:22am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Erick, this liberal hates it when you drink battery acid. Please don’t drink battery acid! //

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:15:15am

I’m sure other “anti Hitler” conservatives were fond of blaming the German left for why they “had” to support Hitler too. Scratch a conservative, find an authoritarian fuck nugget.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:15:34am

Now we wait for Collins’ decision, because I’m pretty sure Manchin doesn’t want to be the 50th vote for Kavanaugh.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:16:25am

re: #16 Kragar

Erick has been drinking the Kool-Aid for the past several weeks.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:17:32am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:18:08am

re: #26 Kragar

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Soros actually made himself too. Donnie was wealthy due to Daddy when he was shitting the bed.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:18:20am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

You know who’s not rude? DJT, that’s who. Not rude at all. Donny Junior isn’t rude either. At all. Just the nicest, most honest guys ever.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:18:59am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:19:42am

IF Democrats can gain control of both houses and win back the presidency, they need to use that power to make some sweeping, dramatic changes that will reduce the power of evil hucksters in the American system. In particular, a dramatic expansion of the House of Representatives, to something like 2000 members, is necessary to dilute the population imbalance in the electoral college. This is possible and would create a level of representation that is the norm in other democratic countries. For example, the British House of Commons has 650 members for a population of 60 million. A similar ratio in the US house would result in more than 3000 members. Such an expansion would have many other benefits as well. Constituent accessibility would be the norm. Representatives would be much more focused on a smaller area of responsibility. GOP gerrymandering would become much more difficult, if not impossible.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:19:57am

I started trying to get my prescription filled 3 days ago, I called about it again today, it hasn’t come in today. They asked if I wanted to transfer it, except I can’t transfer it because its only covered if I get it through my company’s chain of pharmacies, and it cost about $800 if I’m out of the network. I COULD handle that $800, it would piss me off to no end, but I could do it.

They have been trying, but it hasn’t been coming in from the wholesaler…so, whenever
It’s not like people depend on prescriptions to prevent seizures or anything…

…oh, wait…

Fortunately, I still have a day’s supply left in the bottle, and I have 2 weeks supply of sample packs

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:20:42am

re: #16 Kragar

I find myself in an odd position where, for the first time, I see myself, one of the original so-called “Never Trump conservatives,” voting for President Trump in 2020.

erik was never, that word was that was used in the last thread “reasonable” or whatever

never
he plays like flake
he is only one thing

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:21:13am

re: #32 dangerman

erik was never, that word was that was used in the last thread “reasonable” or whatever

never
he plays like flake
he is only one thing

Indeed. He was always a dick.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:21:14am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:21:47am

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

IF Democrats can gain control of both houses and win back the presidency, they need to use that power to make some sweeping, dramatic changes that will reduce the power of evil hucksters in the American system. In particular, a dramatic expansion of the House of Representatives, to something like 2000 members, is necessary to dilute the population imbalance in the electoral college. This is possible and would create a level of representation that is the norm in other democratic countries. For example, the British House of Commons has 650 members for a population of 60 million. A similar ratio in the US house would result in more than 3000 members. Such an expansion would have many other benefits as well. Constituent accessibility would be the norm. Representatives would be much more focused on a smaller area of responsibility. GOP gerrymandering would become much more difficult, if not impossible.

Even an expansion to 1000 would help a lot. As would statehood for at least DC and PR.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:23:02am

I hadn’t realized how small our national legislature is compared to other countries. House of Commons is much bigger than they have a 1/5 of the population. So wtf.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:25:17am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

See, I’m done being nice, so I’d take their beer, shake it vigorously and open it in their stupid faces. I’m done being nice, fuck it,

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:25:58am

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

For example, the British House of Commons has 650 members for a population of 60 million. A similar ratio in the US house would result in more than 3000 members. Such an expansion would have many other benefits as well. Constituent accessibility would be the norm.

New Hampshire state legislature has 400 Representatives and 24 state senators, for a population of less than 1.4 million people.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:26:06am

re: #37 A Mom Anon

See, I’m done being nice, so I’d take their beer, shake it vigorously and open it in their stupid faces. I’m done being nice, fuck it,

Yep.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:27:34am
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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:28:02am

re: #37 A Mom Anon

See, I’m done being nice, so I’d take their beer, shake it vigorously and open it in their stupid faces. I’m done being nice, fuck it,

I know a lot of people have some qualms about Avenatti, but he’s definitely not wrong:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:28:48am

re: #40 Kragar

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That’s different somehow.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:29:13am

re: #41 Interesting Times

I know a lot of people have some qualms about Avenatti, but he’s definitely not wrong:

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He ain’t wrong about that.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:30:49am

re: #40 Kragar

re: #42 HappyWarrior

IOKIYAR, as always, in effect.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:31:30am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

He ain’t wrong about that.

Well the Democrats were in the minority in 2016, so I really don’t know what they could’ve done to force the majority to confirm Garland.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:32:12am

re: #45 Big Beautiful Door

Well the Democrats were in the minority in 2016, so I really don’t know what they could’ve done to force the majority to confirm Garland.

I know. I meant the fight back even harder.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:33:25am

re: #41 Interesting Times

I know a lot of people have some qualms about Avenatti, but he’s definitely not wrong:

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I’d like to know the specific procedural things that the Democrats could have invoke/tried as the minority party regarding the Garland nomination.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:33:37am

re: #26 Kragar

But if the “elevator women” are stating facts, telling the truth, that would be OK, right? That’s what your spokesperson said this week about your rudeness, I mean your stating of ‘facts’ regarding Dr. Ford.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:34:33am

So Republican speak is this. It’s okay to demand a woman be jailed without trial but somehow thinking sexual assault allegations should disqualify you from SCOTUS makes you akin to the lynch mob in To Kill a Mockingbird.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:35:06am

re: #45 Big Beautiful Door

Well the Democrats were in the minority in 2016, so I really don’t know what they could’ve done to force the majority to confirm Garland.

I have no memory whatsoever of Dems/Obama making the slightest verbal fuss about it - not even during prime time coverage of their convention. Obama fell victim to his classic error of grossly overestimating the intelligence of the American public, like they were capable of figuring out all by themselves that GOPers had done something bad.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:35:33am

re: #40 Kragar

That’s different.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:36:39am

re: #47 Mike Lamb

I’d like to know the specific procedural things that the Democrats could have invoke/tried as the minority party regarding the Garland nomination.

That’s the problem, since McConnell didn’t want to do anything in the Senate in 2016, so they had no leverage. Maybe offer him a trillion $ tax cut for the 1% for a Garland confirmation?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:38:18am

re: #47 Mike Lamb

I’d like to know the specific procedural things that the Democrats could have invoke/tried as the minority party regarding the Garland nomination.

Aside from shutting down the Senate completely, not allowing votes of any kind to happen, but I don’t know if that would have been possible, either logistically or politically.

Bottom line is there just were not any tools at our disposal to make the GOP’s choice in that case politically toxic. The worst that could happen to them was for HRC to win and nominate a lib for Scalia’s seat. They took their chances.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:38:44am

re: #47 Mike Lamb

I’d like to know the specific procedural things that the Democrats could have invoke/tried as the minority party regarding the Garland nomination.

Specifically, if we had hounded Flake, McCain, Collins, and Murkowski, it might not have flipped anything, but at least it would have been a fight, and might have encourage a whole lot more people to get involved.

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whitebeach  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:39:55am

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’s certainly a strange sort of democracy where a lifetime appointment to the highest court can be made by a one-vote majority consisting largely of senators representing a small fraction of the nation’s population, and where the nomination was made by a president who lost the popular vote by millions.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:40:11am

re: #47 Mike Lamb

I’d like to know the specific procedural things that the Democrats could have invoke/tried as the minority party regarding the Garland nomination.

I believe he means a PR offensive, which - even though it couldn’t have done anything concrete to save the nomination - could have helped Dems capture more Senate seats. Even if Cheeto Benito still won in 2016, a Dem senate could’ve held him in check and prevented a SCOTUS nominee as horrid as Beer Keg Brett.

I realize Russian ratfuckery/voter suppression was a huge thing, but there was depressed Dem turnout as well (motivated a lot by the perception that Dems don’t fight hard enough - I even heard this directly from someone I know, complaining about Dems are so bad at politics and “why didn’t Obama fight harder for Garland”)

It’s that old, odious but sadly valid “perception is reality” cliche.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:43:47am

re: #55 whitebeach

In which a nation continues to pay for its original sin of compromising with slavers.

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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:44:01am

re: #1 S’latch

Never. Trust. Any. Republican. Ever.

Solid life advice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:45:15am
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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:45:48am

re: #31 Sufficient unto the day…

I started trying to get my prescription filled 3 days ago, I called about it again today, it hasn’t come in today. They asked if I wanted to transfer it, except I can’t transfer it because its only covered if I get it through my company’s chain of pharmacies, and it cost about $800 if I’m out of the network. I COULD handle that $800, it would piss me off to no end, but I could do it.

They have been trying, but it hasn’t been coming in from the wholesaler…so, whenever
It’s not like people depend on prescriptions to prevent seizures or anything…

…oh, wait…

Fortunately, I still have a day’s supply left in the bottle, and I have 2 weeks supply of sample packs

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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:46:13am

Watching the so-called “law and order” party torch the Supreme Court in order to install a man who’s nothing more than an alcoholic, middle-aged Brock Turner on the bench to protect Trump is staggering.

Republicans have lost their goddamn minds.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:47:28am

re: #37 A Mom Anon

See, I’m done being nice, so I’d take their beer, shake it vigorously and open it in their stupid faces. I’m done being nice, fuck it,

and while they are the ones probably breaking six laws handing out beer, you’d be the one arrested for ‘assault’

pansies

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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:47:57am

It’s GOHMERT!, y’all:

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:48:07am

re: #40 Kragar

For all the talk of anti-Kavanaugh protesters being paid, I just saw a group of Confirm Kavanaugh folks whip out a binder with a FreedomWorks logo on it and a printout of all the Senators (with their pictures next to them) who they should lobby

IOKIYAR

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:48:26am

Very important point, one that we have made here: Evil itself has been mobilized into a voting bloc.

The Cruelty Is the Point

President Trump and his supporters find community by rejoicing in the suffering of those they hate and fear.

The Museum of African-American History and Culture is in part a catalog of cruelty. Amid all the stories of perseverance, tragedy, and unlikely triumph are the artifacts of inhumanity and barbarism: the child-size slave shackles, the bright red robes of the wizards of the Ku Klux Klan, the recordings of civil-rights protesters being brutalized by police.

The artifacts that persist in my memory, the way a bright flash does when you close your eyes, are the photographs of lynchings. But it’s not the burned, mutilated bodies that stick with me. It’s the faces of the white men in the crowd. There’s the photo of the lynching of Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith in Indiana in 1930, in which a white man can be seen grinning at the camera as he tenderly holds the hand of his wife or girlfriend. There’s the undated photo from Duluth, Minnesota, in which grinning white men stand next to the mutilated, half-naked bodies of two men lashed to a post in the street—one of the white men is straining to get into the picture, his smile cutting from ear to ear. There’s the photo of a crowd of white men huddled behind the smoldering corpse of a man burned to death; one of them is wearing a smart suit, a fedora hat, and a bright smile.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:48:51am

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Angry little Dick Cheney clone gets angry. And it wasn’t slander you patronizing jackass.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:49:27am

re: #63 Lidane

It’s GOHMERT!, y’all:

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Says the guy who belongs to the Cult of Trump’s personality. Sorry Louie most Democratic voters don’t give a fuck about George Soros. But yours, you guys worship Trump.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:49:47am

re: #41 Interesting Times

I know a lot of people have some qualms about Avenatti, but he’s definitely not wrong:

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this is half true and sounds like a campaign speech

what happened to last weeks bombshell?
i’m hoping he’s got something up his sleeve, though powerful as it might be, it will be after the confirmation

the goal was to keep him off the court, not count on impeachment

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:51:52am

re: #55 whitebeach

It’s certainly a strange sort of democracy where a lifetime appointment to the highest court can be made by a one-vote majority consisting largely of senators representing a small fraction of the nation’s population, and where the nomination was made by a president who lost the popular vote by millions.

r’s: and the problem is……?

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:52:08am

re: #61 Lidane

Watching the so-called “law and order” party torch the Supreme Court in order to install a man who’s nothing more than an alcoholic, middle-aged Brock Turner on the bench to protect Trump is staggering.

Republicans have lost their goddamn minds.

This assumes that 1) They were ever really ever about law and order, and 2) this isn’t all carefully thought through as is. They know exactly what they’re getting into with this: they’re going to get a permanent conservative majority in the Supreme Court because of this. All of it is worth the pursuit of permanent conservative power in the federal gov’t. They’re demonstrating that they don’t care how much earth they need to scorch to do it, not to mention how little consequences they will ever end up paying for it.

If by ‘lost their minds’ you mean they gave in to open sociopathy, then maybe, but they’re just exposing what they always were to begin with. Precisely because they’re seeing they have no incentive to hide it anymore: they’re not going to pay any actual price for being open about their open sociopathy.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:53:10am
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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:53:29am

re: #68 dangerman

this is half true and sounds like a campaign speech

what happened to last weeks bombshell?
i’m hoping he’s got something up his sleeve, though powerful as it might be, it will be after the confirmation

the goal was to keep him off the court, not count on impeachment

He and his client were ignored. Just like 90% of the revelations and the second case that have also come out in that time.

Ignoring works on the ignorant. We have lots of them.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:53:31am

re: #61 Lidane

Watching the so-called “law and order” party torch the Supreme Court in order to install a man who’s nothing more than an alcoholic, middle-aged Brock Turner on the bench to protect Trump is staggering.

Republicans have lost their goddamn minds.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:53:36am

re: #69 dangerman

r’s: and the problem is……?

They’re quick to remind us these days that ‘we don’t live in a democracy’, so….

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:55:30am

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Very important point, one that we have made here: Evil itself has been mobilized into a voting bloc.

The Cruelty Is the Point

Note also the eagerness with which RWNJs fantasize about shooting, torturing and mutilating their opponents, the actual joy they take in seeing little children thrown into cages, the almost constant daily stories of GOP fatcats and fundamentalist preachers charged with sexual abuse. This is a culture of cruelty. It is also a culture of cowardice, which is the only thing that has saved us so far, but the more they get away with, the bolder they will become. They must be stopped, and we still have the means to do it: the ballot box.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:55:55am

re: #61 Lidane

Watching the so-called “law and order” party torch the Supreme Court in order to install a man who’s nothing more than an alcoholic, middle-aged Brock Turner on the bench to protect Trump is staggering.

Republicans have lost their goddamn minds.

They’ve completed the last act outlined in the Powell Memorandum to seize total power. And I got a feeling there are going to be some nasty Karmic consequences coming their way.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:56:01am
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sagehen  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:57:27am

re: #47 Mike Lamb

I’d like to know the specific procedural things that the Democrats could have invoke/tried as the minority party regarding the Garland nomination.

They could have made it the one and only thing they ever said every time they got within range of a microphone. Every day. Don’t go on tangents about super tuesday or super-delegates or what was said in the most recent primary debate, just harangue on and on and on and on about Garland Nomination Scotus Hearings Garland Nomination Scotus Hearings.

The Dems don’t have a Fox-equivalent, or a wingnut radio equivalent, but every senator can get to a microphone every day in front of the capital. Make it THE ISSUE that everyone has to say something about.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:57:30am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:58:50am

re: #79 jaunte

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It is. We need to respond to this.

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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:58:54am

re: #76 Joe Bacon 🌹

They’ve completed the last act outlined in the Powell Memorandum to seize total power. And I got a feeling there are going to be some nasty Karmic consequences coming their way.

Kavanaugh is the textbook definition of a Pyrrhic victory. Sure, they’ll get their “permanent majority” until the Democrats retake the Senate and the Justices start retiring/dying, but at the cost of torching the Court’s legitimacy AND cementing their legacy as an anti-woman party.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:00:19pm

re: #81 Lidane

Kavanaugh is the textbook definition of a Pyrrhic victory. Sure, they’ll get their “permanent majority” until the Democrats retake the Senate and the Justices start retiring/dying, but at the cost of torching the Court’s legitimacy AND cementing their legacy as an anti-woman party.

I’m hoping this is the case.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:01:08pm

re: #63 Lidane

Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert says the Democrats should ‘Yell Heil Soros!’ during insane interview

These words are redundant. With “interview”, the “insane” part is a given.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:02:12pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So all the women are lying, huh? And I know it’s Twitter vs. an interview…but any time Cotton gets fussy about any nomination, he needs to be beaten about the head with the fact that he allowed a nominee to die just to spite Obama.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:04:30pm

re: #84 Mike Lamb

So all the women are lying, huh? And I know it’s Twitter vs. an interview…but any time Cotton gets fussy about any nomination, he needs to be beaten about the head with the fact that he allowed a nominee to die just to spite Obama.

Not one Presstitue will do that since he’s Republican.

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b.d.(soros funded)  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:06:12pm
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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:06:34pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

I’m hoping this is the case.

My one slim hope is that the Court doesn’t end up destroying the country before sanity is restored. At this point, it’s a very, very, very slim hope. I have no reason to trust conservatives or Republicans at all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:07:11pm

re: #87 Lidane

My one slim hope is that the Court doesn’t end up destroying the country before sanity is restored. At this point, it’s a very, very, very slim hope. I have no reason to trust conservatives or Republicans at all.

I don’t either. Not one of them seems to put country first.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:08:23pm

re: #87 Lidane

My one slim hope is that the Court doesn’t end up destroying the country before sanity is restored. At this point, it’s a very, very, very slim hope. I have no reason to trust conservatives or Republicans at all.

A court with Kavanaugh on it is not a legitimate court.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:08:51pm

re: #81 Lidane

Kavanaugh is the textbook definition of a Pyrrhic victory. Sure, they’ll get their “permanent majority” until the Democrats retake the Senate and the Justices start retiring/dying, but at the cost of torching the Court’s legitimacy AND cementing their legacy as an anti-woman party.

The problem comes in that, if Kavanaugh gets confirmed, the GOP will have the two youngest Justices on the bench and 3 of the 4 youngest (with only Kagan breaking up the line between Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Roberts), while Breyer and RBG are 80s+. The next oldest after those two is Thomas, at 70.

The math on that is extremely bleak barring some health circumstances out of left field.

And what matter is the Court’s legitimacy when they will remain the law of the land with remarkably little recourse around them? Oh…and the problem with the part of cementing their legacy as the anti-woman party…apparently through the entire ordeal, the demo that disbelieved Ford the most? Republican Women.

We’re not getting any peelers from that. Unless we motivate non-voters, the anti-woman stance may just galvanize Republicans into even further power because that’s just the fucking country we are. Between that, and a non-insignificant group on the left doing its best to kneecap us out of the idea that the best way to fight the GOP is to burn the Dem party down first, and we’re walking a thinner tightrope than we should be.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:09:40pm

There was much complacency among the ‘establishment’ Dems in 2016, and maybe 2015. Things had been going their way for a while. The surprises were: Sexism still reigns. Racism still runs the country.

Maybe Avenatti should ask why the new Republican strategy is working, not why the Democrat’s old one is not. Or both. To say the Dems screwed it up is ignoring an awful lot. Yes, the Dems can improve. Also, the Republicans can get worse.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:09:52pm
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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:10:00pm

re: #89 Kragar

A court with Kavanaugh on it is not a legitimate court.

It shouldn’t be legitimate. But then again, we have an illegitimate president, and that hasn’t kept him from ruling like he earned it.

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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:10:13pm

re: #89 Kragar

A court with Kavanaugh on it is not a legitimate court.

I know.

I’m trying very hard not to lose hope in this country. It’s impossible to believe that this is who we really are. Trump and the Republicans are a goddamn disgrace. They’re ruining everything that’s even remotely good. It’s tragic.

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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:10:36pm

No surprise but Collin’s speech so far sounds like she is a yes.

Going off on “special interest groups” against the nominee.

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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:11:12pm

re: #95 blueraven

Of course she’s a yes. She’s a Republican.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:11:46pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:11:55pm

re: #95 blueraven

“special interest groups” against the nominee

Women, the new special interest group.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:12:23pm
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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:12:28pm

re: #96 Lidane

Of course she’s a yes. She’s a Republican.

She is also a woman. But I guess, party first.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:12:32pm

re: #92 Kragar

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No, gutter politics is the President attacking a victim and getting cheers from his audience. We have every right to want to know if your party is going to put a sexual assaulter on the court, you hypocritical hack.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:12:44pm

re: #99 jaunte

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Why would she?

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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:13:14pm

re: #100 blueraven

She is also a woman. But I guess, party first.

Republican women are hard-wired to hate their own gender. It’s why they vote Republican.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:13:53pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:14:07pm

re: #92 Kragar

I’m sorry she missed the Clinton presidency.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:14:11pm

I’ve said all along the Collins is nothing more than Mitch’s rubber stamp and she’s done nothing her whole time in the Senate to disprove that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:14:24pm

re: #104 Kragar

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This is really pathetic.

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Tyrion  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:14:46pm

Is there anybody that can beat Collins in her next race?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:14:49pm

re: #92 Kragar

So, should Dr. Ford not have been heard then?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:14:56pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

So no one would ever care enough to take the time to make a professional looking sign?

Fucking idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:15:12pm

re: #105 Sir John Barron

I’m sorry she missed the Clinton presidency.

It was somehow different when Kavanaugh himself was working behind the scenes to push the Vince Foster was murdered by the Clintons bullshit but somehow this, a case with an actual witness testifying is “gutter politics.”

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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:15:16pm

So now Manchin will vote yes and the Republicans will claim a bipartisan vote.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:15:28pm

re: #100 blueraven

She is also a woman. But I guess, party first.

Actually, GOPer women are perhaps the most odious group of all:

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:16:00pm

This Collins speech is 100% weapons grade bullshit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:16:02pm

re: #108 Tyrion

Is there anybody that can beat Collins in her next race?

This is a clear signal that she ain’t running for anything ever again.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:16:15pm
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sagehen  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:16:24pm

re: #95 blueraven

No surprise but Collin’s speech so far sounds like she is a yes.

Going off on “special interest groups” against the nominee.

Complaining that “special interest groups” against the nominee spent X dollars. Even though “special interest groups” in favor of the nominee spent twice as much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:16:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:16:38pm

re: #113 Interesting Times

Actually, GOPer women are perhaps the most odious group of all:

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That does explain why some of the most ugly smears I’ve seen Ford’s way have come from GOP women. Bunch of Aunt Lydias.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:16:42pm

re: #116 jaunte

She didn’t actually say that, did she?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:17:00pm

re: #116 jaunte

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LOL yeah fucking right.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:17:27pm

re: #99 jaunte

[Collins doesn’t mention $17 million in dark money supporting Kavanaugh]

The whole ‘sexual misconduct’ issue has been a distraction to avert everyone’s eyes from the financial misconduct, because that could seen as serious, by everybody.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:17:50pm
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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:18:53pm

If only this could actually happen:

But what happens when Democrats take back the legislative and executive branches? What if Democrats pass Medicare for All, and the Supreme Court strikes it down, with Kavanaugh casting the decisive fifth vote? It’s not hard to envision Democrats marching in the streets, demanding that the president and Congress ignore the ruling. And what if they do? What happens if the Department of Health and Human Services just … implements the law anyway? It’s easy to envision the presidential statement: As the chief executive, it is my duty to enact this legislation, passed through the democratic process, and to reject the illegitimate ruling of Donald Trump’s Supreme Court. The federal government, acting on orders of the president, opens enrollment, and Congress appropriates the funds as planned. What can the Supreme Court do? Send its tiny police force to storm the White House?

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:19:11pm

re: #92 Kragar

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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:19:46pm

She really is dumb as a rock or completely disingenuous.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:20:21pm

re: #126 blueraven

She really is dumb as a rock or completely disingenuous.

I think it’s the latter.

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Lidane  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:21:04pm

re: #126 blueraven

She’s a Republican, so her default setting is that she’s a dishonest snake that operates in bad faith.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:21:09pm

re: #126 blueraven

She really is dumb as a rock or completely disingenuous.

False dichotomy.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:21:14pm
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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:21:45pm

re: #124 Interesting Times

No

Just fucking no

If the executive branch refuses to enforce the law as interpreted by the Courts then we are done as a nation.

Because that same logic can be used to:

1. ban abortion
2. ban same sex marriage
3. institute segregation
4. every other bad fucking thing the courts have struck down in the last 75 years.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:22:08pm

2/9 of our Supreme Court justices are accused of sexual assault and or harassment. Lovely.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:22:15pm

I will withhold invective until she gets to the point but honestly wanted to vomit listening to her naivete while speaking.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:22:18pm

This whole thing is such a fucking farce.

America is rotting away before our eyes.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:22:27pm

re: #126 blueraven

She really is dumb as a rock or completely disingenuous.

She’s made it fairly clear that it’s the latter. She’s done this song-and-dance time and time again only to circle the wagons over and over again. We just have too many goddamn Charlie Browns holding out a hope for a principled moderate conservative to keep from kicking at the goddamn ball. And she just keeps pulling a Lucy on them, time and time again.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:22:34pm

re: #126 blueraven

She really is dumb as a rock or completely disingenuous.

Both.

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b.d.(soros funded)  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:23:57pm

re: #126 blueraven

She really is dumb as a rock or completely disingenuous.

Yes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:24:23pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:24:24pm

Lisa Murkowski is the only Republican with any integrity.

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BigPapa  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:24:28pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

2/9 of our Supreme Court justices are accused of sexual assault and or harassment. Lovely.

2/6 of the men on the SC accused of assault or harassment.

0/3 of the women are accused of assault or harassment.

Just wanted to point that out.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:25:11pm

re: #139 blueraven

Lisa Murkowski is the only Republican with any integrity.

We now know who Mitch gave the pass to this time.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:25:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:25:20pm

re: #140 BigPapa

2/6 of the men on the SC accused of assault or harassment.

0/3 of the women are accused of assault or harassment.

Just wanted to point that out.

That’s a good point. Or 2/5 of the Republican Appointed male judges have. Hey looks like W Bush did something right!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:25:56pm

Also, I’m showing my Canadianness here but I really don’t understand the deal where some senators are up for election on Presidential years and others up on off years. Mid term elections have always been a tough concept for me to grasp.

Wouldn’t it be easier to do President/House one year then Senate two years later then President/House two years after that, etc, etc.? That way all terms are universal at 4 years and elections become far less confusing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:26:14pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

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She should tell that to the teenager he made carry her child full term to. Fucking snake. Kavanaugh’s no champion of anyone but himself and the GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:26:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:26:28pm

It was always going to be this way.

If Kavanaugh had written “Rape Party at Gaudette’s” in his calendar, he’d have said they were all testing whether drinking Canola(rapeseed) oil would prevent getting drunk, and the GOP would have believed it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:27:14pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m showing my Canadianness here but I really don’t understand the deal where some senators are up for election on Presidential years and others up on off years. Mid term elections have always been a tough concept for me to grasp.

Wouldn’t it be to President/House one year then Senate two years later then President/House two years after that, etc, etc.? That way all terms are universal at 4 years and elections become far less confusing.

It’s how the six year term works. I think it guarantees that if you get more than one term, you’ll definitely be up in a presidential election year at least once.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:27:26pm

And also, how about an upper age limit for Congresspeole and Senators. 80 perhaps?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:28:16pm

re: #149 Eclectic Cyborg

And also, how about an upper age limit for Congresspeole and Senators. 80 perhaps?

Would that really help here? The GOP electorate just elects worse people regardless of their age.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:28:16pm

re: #94 Lidane

I know.

I’m trying very hard not to lose hope in this country. It’s impossible to believe that this is who we really are. Trump and the Republicans are a goddamn disgrace. They’re ruining everything that’s even remotely good. It’s tragic.

Too many Americans still treat politics as, well, politics…that nasty thing we shouldn’t talk about.

As long as they can turn on their TV and see a show, McDonald’s is open, they can buy cheap stuff at the store and they can still breath they just don’t seem to be touched by what goes on in politics.

When they get hit by something traumatic, that is when they pay attention to politics.

Hopefully it dawns on them, they have very little insurance, very little money, very little they can do about it all.

When the next downturn in the economy hits and they lose their homes and find the big banks are back and don’t care, they are sick and they can’t get care, food is expensive and they can’t go to McDonald’s and the TV has been turned off and WalMart is more expensive…they will talk about politics and then do something about it.

We have an ignorant country and a democracy. They really do not work well together.

Where has the Republican party been strong to get this much power? Hindering a decent education that helps the society.

They turn out worker bees with little sense of the humanities and social studies.

Perfect for The Party.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:28:42pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m showing my Canadianness here but I really don’t understand the deal where some senators are up for election on Presidential years and others up on off years. Mid term elections have always been a tough concept for me to grasp.

Wouldn’t it be to President/House one year then Senate two years later then President/House two years after that, etc, etc.? That way all terms are universal at 4 years and elections become far less confusing.

House is every two years, President is every four. Senators serve 6 years, but their terms are staggered, so a third are up every two years. So, in 2000 president, all of the House, and 33 Senators; 2002, all of the House and 33 Senators; 2004 president, all of the House, 34 Senators, and so on and so forth.

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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:28:59pm

Stop with this overturn Roe v Wade shit, Senator. He wont do that. But he will rule for every single case that inhibits abortion rights until Roe dies by attrition.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:29:10pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m showing my Canadianness here but I really don’t understand the deal where some senators are up for election on Presidential years and others up on off years. Mid term elections have always been a tough concept for me to grasp.

Wouldn’t it be to President/House one year then Senate two years later then President/House two years after that, etc, etc.? That way all terms are universal at 4 years and elections become far less confusing.

The entire House is up for re-election every 2 years. Senate terms are 6 years, 1/3 of the seats are up each 2 years.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:29:16pm

re: #95 blueraven

No surprise but Collin’s speech so far sounds like she is a yes.

Going off on “special interest groups” against the nominee.

She’s reading the party notes put out by Mitch McConnell. Or else.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:29:24pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Would that really help here? The GOP electorate just elects worse people regardless of their age.

Well, no, not here but in the future it would keep people like Hatch from sticking around long past their sell by date.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:30:03pm

re: #152 KGxvi

House is every two years, President is every four. Senators serve 6 years, but their terms are staggered, so a third are up every two years. So, in 2000 president, all of the House, and 33 Senators; 2002, all of the House and 33 Senators; 2004 president, all of the House, 34 Senators, and so on and so forth.

And the Founders thought this convoluted system was a good idea because?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:30:24pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, no, not here but in the future it would keep people like Hatch from sticking around long past their sell by date.

I hear ya but Leahy got elected the same decade and even before Hatch and he gets it. If we had an age requirement, some other asshole would just being doing the same thing Hatch is. I do hear what you are saying though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:30:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:31:16pm

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

And the Founders thought this convoluted system was a good idea because?

Hot summer day in Philly. They wanted to get to the Alehouse. Joking aside, the country was much smaller and homogeneous when the founding documents were written.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:31:19pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, no, not here but in the future it would keep people like Hatch from sticking around long past their sell by date.

Term limits, not age limits.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:31:28pm

re: #139 blueraven

Lisa Murkowski is the only Republican with any integrity.

It’s not even integrity. She’s only doing it because she desperately needs Alaskan native support to win re-election.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:31:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:32:18pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

It’s not even integrity. She’s only doing it because she desperately needs Alaskan native support to win re-election.

Yep. And they don’t need her to vote for Judge Drunky.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:32:27pm

Waiting for the Right To Lifers Forced Birthers to claim Collins as one of their own.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:32:29pm

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

And the Founders thought this convoluted system was a good idea because?

Ideally, it puts a check on populism and passing political fads.

Also, keep in mind, Senators were originally appointed by the State legislatures rather than direct popular vote (but most legislatures quickly kicked that can to voters).

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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:33:09pm

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

And the Founders thought this convoluted system was a good idea because?

Right now I am very happy with the system in place. At least we have the opportunity to take The House now and provide a check on this disastrous president.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:33:30pm
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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:33:34pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

Term limits, not age limits.

Fuck term limits, that’ll just make the executive branch even stronger. We’ve seen that in states that have instituted legislative term limits.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:33:51pm
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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:34:04pm

I’ll just reiterate that, outside of perhaps Murkowski, this is not the behavior of a party that sees itself as paying any consequences for their actions on this.

This is not the behavior of a party that sees themselves suffering from this stand in November. That should worry fucking everyone.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:34:06pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Hot summer day in Philly. They wanted to get to the Alehouse. Joking aside, the country was much smaller and homogeneous when the founding documents were written.

Homogeneous because women and people of color counted for nothing, if not property.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:34:51pm

Never forget that this is Anthony Kennedy’s legacy as much as anyone else. He’s the one that looked at Trump and decided he wanted Trump to nominate his successor. He’s the one that wanted Kavanaugh to replace him. It’s as much about Kennedy as anyone.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:35:04pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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That header image of the YouTube video doesn’t even look like her.

It’s like a ghost of Collins or some kind of apparition.

The last vestige of a soul has left her body.

Good night Dear Susan. Rest peacefully with the Devil.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:35:10pm

re: #169 KGxvi

Fuck term limits, that’ll just make the executive branch even stronger. We’ve seen that in states that have instituted legislative term limits.

Dynastic limits. All 3 branches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:35:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:35:16pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Homogeneous because women and people of color counted for nothing, if not property.

Yes definitely.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:35:20pm

re: #167 blueraven

Right now I am very happy with the system in place. At least we have the opportunity to take The House now and provide a check on this disastrous president.

Until the House issues subpoenas and the Corrupted Court votes 5-4 to quash them with Kavanaugh writing the majority opinion…

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:36:12pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Hot summer day in Philly. They wanted to get to the Alehouse. Joking aside, the country was much smaller and homogeneous when the founding documents were written.

and as noted above it was not ‘liberty and justice for all
the 3/5
women
native americans
etc

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:36:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:36:52pm

re: #179 dangerman

and as noted above it was not ‘liberty and justice for all
the 3/5
women
native americans
etc

Yep. And that’s why I don’t worship the Founders. They made a lot of mistakes that can’t be ignored.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:37:01pm

yes, this^^

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:37:03pm

re: #147 Blind Frog Belly White

It was always going to be this way.

If Kavanaugh had written “Rape Party at Gaudette’s” in his calendar, he’d have said they were all testing whether drinking Canola(rapeseed) oil would prevent getting drunk, and the GOP would have believed it.

“SCOTUS candidate’s calendar from HS and college should be off limits anyway, although Travon Martin and Michael Brown got what they deserved, thugs.”

/

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:37:22pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nevertheless, my party’s desire for judicial domination comes first. Just be fucking honest Collins.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:37:42pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m showing my Canadianness here but I really don’t understand the deal where some senators are up for election on Presidential years and others up on off years. Mid term elections have always been a tough concept for me to grasp.

Wouldn’t it be easier to do President/House one year then Senate two years later then President/House two years after that, etc, etc.? That way all terms are universal at 4 years and elections become far less confusing.

It’s crazy because of Reps serving two year terms and Senate six year.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:37:52pm

re: #183 Sir John Barron

“SCOTUS candidate’s calendar from HS and college should be off limits anyway, although Travon Martin and Michael Brown got what they deserved, thugs.”

/

and I still belong to a party headed by a man who said the Central Park Five should be executed after they were cleared.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:37:53pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:37:57pm

re: #173 Mike Lamb

Never forget that this is Anthony Kennedy’s legacy as much as anyone else. He’s the one that looked at Trump and decided he wanted Trump to nominate his successor. He’s the one that wanted Kavanaugh to replace him. It’s as much about Kennedy as anyone.

This right here

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:38:37pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:38:54pm
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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:39:25pm

She is doing a defense attorney closing for Kavanaugh.

Fuck off, you witch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:39:39pm
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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:40:17pm

re: #147 Blind Frog Belly White

It was always going to be this way.

If Kavanaugh had written “Rape Party at Gaudette’s” in his calendar, he’d have said they were all testing whether drinking Canola(rapeseed) oil would prevent getting drunk, and the GOP would have believed it.

they dont believe him

they constructed an absurd, rickety facade that they can point to as they vote for him

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:41:09pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:42:20pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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First giggle of the day. Thank you.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:42:26pm

And not one word about the big money that went in favor of his confirmation.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:42:43pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m showing my Canadianness here but I really don’t understand the deal where some senators are up for election on Presidential years and others up on off years. Mid term elections have always been a tough concept for me to grasp.

Wouldn’t it be easier to do President/House one year then Senate two years later then President/House two years after that, etc, etc.? That way all terms are universal at 4 years and elections become far less confusing.

The structure of the Senate was designed to be slow. The House reacts to the will of the people; the Senate is supposed to take a longer term view. That’s why only a third of them are up for election every two years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:43:05pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:43:14pm

Collins is senile.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:44:00pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

And not one word about the big money that went in favor of his confirmation.

Thou shalt not discuss finances in public, for you shall be seen as uncouth.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:44:01pm

re: #147 Blind Frog Belly White

It was always going to be this way.

If Kavanaugh had written “Rape Party at Gaudette’s” in his calendar, he’d have said they were all testing whether drinking Canola(rapeseed) oil would prevent getting drunk, and the GOP would have believed it.

So many, even here, said it was a done deal. Democrats have no power, fuck it.

Go figure the reactions now, since they already knew then.

I still admire the Dems fight in this. I think they are learning they have to be tougher.

I think they got some mileage out of the fight by extending it and getting more and more people upset at Trump and McConnell’s tactics.

It just didn’t stop Kavanaugh today even though he couldn’t be stopped.

This is nuts.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:44:23pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

And not one word about the big money that went in favor of his confirmation.

That was all grassroots money.

/

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:44:54pm
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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:44:58pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Homogeneous because women and people of color counted for nothing, if not property.

Unmarried, property owning women could vote in at least some states, I believe. New Jersey even allowed married women to vote, until 1807. The ban on married women voting was, at least as I’ve read, based on the idea that they’d just vote the same as their husbands. A few states (4, I think), allowed free black men to vote. And white men who didn’t own property were often prohibited from voting as well, at least until about the 1850s.

The history of voting rights in the US is rather complicated and, while we eventually got it (mostly) right, not exactly as enlightened as our founding documents would suggest.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:45:28pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:45:28pm

re: #203 jaunte

“Thoughts and prayers..”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:45:53pm

re: #169 KGxvi

Fuck term limits, that’ll just make the executive branch even stronger. We’ve seen that in states that have instituted legislative term limits.

I agree. I’d actually advocate for large pay increases for legislators (especially for State legislators who often make so little that only the independently wealthy can even afford to do the job) in exchange for severe election financing limits, yearly forensic audits of their personal and business finances and a ten year ban on lobbying after leaving office.

One of the reasons that Western democracies have historically had such low rates of public corruption compared to developing economies is that our police, regulators and prosecutors generally made enough in salary to live without bribes. We should take that further, and pay public servants enough (with strict oversight) that truly professional civic minded people can afford to do the job. Because once you start disincentivizing greed you can start attracting more people interested in truly democratic solutions.

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blueraven  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:46:03pm

Good Lord. Even republicans gotta be saying STFU.

This miserable, moralizing excuse for a party vote is sick.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:46:56pm
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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:47:09pm

re: #202 Sir John Barron

That was all grassroots money.

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Found with love in basement couches…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:47:15pm

re: #208 blueraven

Good Lord. Even republicans gotta be saying STFU.

This miserable, moralizing excuse for a party vote is sick.

Nope. Every RepubliKKKlan has to bow down and humble themselves before Zod Trump.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:47:16pm

re: #204 KGxvi

Unmarried, property owning women could vote in at least some states, I believe. New Jersey even allowed married women to vote, until 1807. The ban on married women voting was, at least as I’ve read, based on the idea that they’d just vote the same as their husbands. A few states (4, I think), allowed free black men to vote. And white men who didn’t own property were often prohibited from voting as well, at least until about the 1850s.

The history of voting rights in the US is rather complicated and, while we eventually got it (mostly) right, not exactly as enlightened as our founding documents would suggest.

The struggle to become human has been long, and it is not over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:47:20pm
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sagehen  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:47:38pm

re: #169 KGxvi

Fuck term limits, that’ll just make the executive branch even stronger. We’ve seen that in states that have instituted legislative term limits.

And it gives lobbyists a monopoly on institutional knowledge; term-limited legislators never have enough time to learn much about their committee’s topic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:47:40pm

re: #193 dangerman

they dont believe him

they constructed an absurd, rickety facade that they can point to as they vote for him

I think that’s not quite right. I think they believed him when the allegation first surfaced.

I think they started to believe her when she testified. That left them with the tortuous uncertainty that Conservatives are constitutionally incapable of tolerating.

I think Avenatti’s presence in the mix, followed by Trump mocking her at the rally, made it possible for them to stop believing her so much, and once they stopped believing, the relief from cognitive dissonance was so strong it drove them to believing in his innocence 100%.

Me? I can live with uncertainty. I’m comfortable with concluding that it is most likely that it happened as she described, while still being unable to state it with certainty.

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Tyrion  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:47:50pm

If Collins doesn’t run again, she needs to make the speech good enough, for wingnuts, that she can still go on the Wingnut Wurlitzer tour and make some more money.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:48:29pm
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Kilroy was here  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:48:35pm

Question.

If the Dems take Congress can they investigate the allegations against Kav?

I mean if they can get a rock solid case that he committed perjury or lied to the FBI.
This is still a federal crime right?

So, if the perjury happens in the Senate can the Lower House prosecute or hand it off to a special council? Are there options?

I know impeachment is a waste of time but even that delegitimatizes anything he touches.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:48:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:48:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:48:53pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They still are 8 years later.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:49:11pm

re: #214 sagehen

And it gives lobbyists a monopoly on institutional knowledge; term-limited legislators never have enough time to learn much about their committee’s topic.

That’s very true as well. And in California, about once a decade we see people coming in proposing some new program that, it turns out, already exists and is underfunded.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:49:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:50:05pm

re: #215 Blind Frog Belly White

IOW, I think you underestimate the pain that uncertainty causes in Conservatives, and how much that drives them to sincerely believe something other than what their eyes and ears tell them.

Some of them are cynical. Most of them are delusional.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:50:06pm

re: #218 Kilroy was here

Question.

If the Dems take Congress can they investigate the allegations against Kav?

I mean if they can get a rock solid case that he committed perjury or lied to the FBI.
This is still a federal crime right?

So, if the perjury happens in the Senate can the Lower House prosecute or hand it off to a special council? Are there options?

I know impeachment is a waste of time but even that delegitimatizes anything he touches.

Dems can investigate him. Other than impeachment, though, all other authority to pursue him on criminal charges lies with the Executive branch.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:50:45pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

The GOP is the real defender and supporter of Dr. Ford.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:51:38pm

There ya go….

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BigPapa  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:51:48pm

She went for Biff. Burning up here.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:51:48pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:51:49pm

He’s in

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:52:16pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

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She won’t require that the White House direct a real investigation, but it’s the Democrats who have an appalling lack of respect for Dr. Ford (and Julie Swetnick, probably).

The gaslighting is reaching new and unbelievable proportions…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:52:19pm

re: #230 Dave In Austin

He’s in

Fuck me.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:52:33pm

re: #199 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Collins is senile.

They were always going to have a female senator deliver this speech. Optics.

Those of us not Republican women are not stupid enough for them. We see the manipulation. They can march as many women up there as they want to support Kavanaugh. The Republicans have lost my generation for good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:52:40pm

“To that leaker…let me say that what you did was unconscionable.”

Yeah. Whoever did that forced her to spend all this energy pretending to give a shit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:53:11pm

re: #231 Mike Lamb

She won’t require that the White House direct a real investigation, but it’s the Democrats who have an appalling lack of respect for Dr. Ford (and Julie Swetnick, probably).

The gaslighting is reaching new and unbelievable proportions…

Ask Dr. Ford who she’s mad at today and it won’t be DiFi or the Senate Dems who were completely respectful to her but it will be Kavanaugh and his asshole enablers in the Republican side of hte Senate. This is just infuriating bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:53:47pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

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“To that leaker…let me say that what you did was unconscionable.”

Yeah. Whoever did that forced her to spend all this energy pretending to give a shit.

Fuck you Susan. You say you believe her yet you’re voting to confirm the man that attacked her. Fuck you and your party.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:54:01pm

re: #218 Kilroy was here

Question.

If the Dems take Congress can they investigate the allegations against Kav?

I mean if they can get a rock solid case that he committed perjury or lied to the FBI.
This is still a federal crime right?

So, if the perjury happens in the Senate can the Lower House prosecute or hand it off to a special council? Are there options?

I know impeachment is a waste of time but even that delegitimatizes anything he touches.

The House can investigate it, for sure. But a special counsel has to be appointed by the AG (good luck), or it has to be referred to the DOJ for prosecution (again, good luck). The only thing they could really do, is impeachment.

Now, if the evidence is strong enough, the threat of impeachment might be enough to get him to resign (that happened with Fortas). But that just means Trump gets to appoint someone else, and if the Dems don’t control the Senate, it’ll be someone with more or less the same judicial make up. Or, they could impeach him, the Senate could acquit him, and he lives with the stain of being The Impeached Justice. It might not mean much, but every opinion he writes after that will be viewed with a jaundiced eye by lawyers and legal scholars.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:54:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:54:28pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:54:31pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

“To that leaker…let me say that what you did was unconscionable.”

Yeah. Whoever did that forced her to spend all this energy pretending to give a shit.

Typical GOP: more upset that the letter was leaked than the allegations contained therein.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:54:55pm

As my friend said, Kavanaugh is entitled to all the benefits of the “presumption of innocence” but none of the downside—like a thorough criminal investigation…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:55:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:55:41pm

re: #238 jaunte

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Yeah I’m voting for the most partisan SCOTUS nominee in my life time to preserve SCOTUS’s independence. Bullshit lady.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:55:51pm

re: #238 jaunte

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Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Holy.
Fucking.
Shit.

Holy.
Fucking.
Shit.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:56:23pm

re: #244 Mike Lamb

It’s Bizzarro Logic.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:56:25pm

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

And the Founders thought this convoluted system was a good idea because?

You must keep in mind it has worked for a good time. We just have never had a party that is as power hungry as today’s GOP.

Conceptually it was to prevent too heavy a swing at one time. The forefathers also thought people would be in a party but still vote as an individual and with regard to people in their area. That made everyone unique.

What the Republican have now is everyone in lock step. So it has become monolithic in thought and action. It rolls over everything, even their own.

Look what they are saying about Jennifer Rubin. Democrats/liberals really never liked Rubin. She was pure conservative never to be changed.

Now because of what she has written and what she as an individual conservative feels, it isn’t in line with the party and is mocked. Now they don’t even want her to be referred to as a Republican. She has been excommunicated from the Religion of Trump.

That is the problem. We had a very workable flawed system, now we have a system that has had the flaws used as a tool to run a machine.

But it is still Democratic. The people allowed this.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:56:25pm

re: #241 Mike Lamb

As my friend said, Kavanaugh is entitled to all the benefits of the “presumption of innocence” but none of the downside—like a thorough criminal investigation…

Exactly. This isn’t innocent until proven guilty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:56:32pm
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:56:41pm

I’m going to put an onus on our side: There is no reason anymore for a Democrat to ever sit out any election.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:57:21pm

re: #238 jaunte

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Kilroy was here  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:57:39pm

re: #237 KGxvi

The House can investigate it, for sure. But a special counsel has to be appointed by the AG (good luck), or it has to be referred to the DOJ for prosecution (again, good luck). The only thing they could really do, is impeachment.

Now, if the evidence is strong enough, the threat of impeachment might be enough to get him to resign (that happened with Fortas). But that just means Trump gets to appoint someone else, and if the Dems don’t control the Senate, it’ll be someone with more or less the same judicial make up. Or, they could impeach him, the Senate could acquit him, and he lives with the stain of being The Impeached Justice. It might not mean much, but every opinion he writes after that will be viewed with a jaundiced eye by lawyers and legal scholars.

Not to be petty, but that seem worth the work. That and Trump may be up to his fake hair in legal troubles by then anyways.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:57:47pm

re: #238 jaunte

She said that?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:58:01pm
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Chrysicat  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:58:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:58:32pm

You know how sometimes you can hear the rain coming a good 60 seconds or more before it arrives?
And the windows and doors are closed?

yeah…that’s happening here.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:58:42pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

Fuck everything.

What’s the fuck is the point in a rigged game.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:58:57pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:59:01pm

re: #238 jaunte

By casting a vote that supports your party’s nominee to the SCOTUS is keeping the Court above politics?

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:59:15pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:59:24pm

More than ever I’m ready to vote YES if California secession is on the ballot.

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Tyrion  Oct 5, 2018 • 12:59:59pm

re: #245 jaunte

It’s Bizzarro Logic.

It’s Republican Logic.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when owning the libs depends on his not understanding it.”

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:00:00pm

re: #238 jaunte

Susan, no one with at least a couple of functioning brain cells believes you, you were always going to vote yes and so was Flake; Murkowski got a pass to vote against so she can keep her seat.

Everything from the Republicans (and GOP-lite Manchin) was nothing more than kayfabe.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:00:55pm

re: #260 Joe Bacon 🌹

More than ever I’m ready to vote YES if California secession is on the ballot.

Only if we can take Clark County, Nevada and maybe like half of Arizona with us (I don’t want to have to have a passport to go to Vegas or Phoenix).

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:00:56pm

re: #257 jaunte

Someone really should ask her if her husband preapproved her position.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:01:01pm
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:01:11pm

re: #124 Interesting Times

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If only this could actually happen:

I think it can come to to that. California and other blue states may simply dare the SCOTUS to stop them.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:01:32pm

re: #191 blueraven

She is doing a defense attorney closing for Kavanaugh.

Fuck off, you witch.

I’m watching Cleveland baseball. It is not going well for them today.

But it is a damn sight better than watching Collins prattle on.

I know things are real bad. And I hate Republicans…but damn if I will ruin my day rolling in it by watching her. Yuck.

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CongoJack  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:01:47pm

re: #260 Joe Bacon 🌹

More than ever I’m ready to vote YES if California secession is on the ballot.

Ya know that started as a RUS operation? The person who initiated it is now living in RUS.

BBC

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bratwurst  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:02:13pm

I have a hard time with the fact that a denial by Kavanaugh’s asshole drinking buddy was apparently an important data point for Collins.

And of course, it’s not enough that she is happy to install this dickhead on the court for the rest of his life…she also wants to reassure women that Roe isn’t going anywhere. It’s like she’s saying “Ok ladies, even though Republicans ALWAYS promise to trash Roe, they never do it. Go back to sleep now.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:02:24pm

re: #260 Joe Bacon 🌹

More than ever I’m ready to vote YES if California secession is on the ballot.

Don’t fall for that Russian trap.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:03:10pm

re: #251 Kilroy was here

Not to be petty, but that seem worth the work. That and Trump may be up to his fake hair in legal troubles by then anyways.

A real investigation is definitely worth it. Especially given the screed he had at the second hearing. I doubt Dr Ford will ever get justice, but I would not be surprised if more recent cases presented themselves that would be easier to prove.

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Tyrion  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:03:21pm

Manchin’s vote will make it a “bipartisan” confirmation according to Republicans.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:03:30pm

re: #263 KGxvi

Only if we can take Clark County, Nevada and maybe like half of Arizona with us (I don’t want to have to have a passport to go to Vegas or Phoenix).

We’ll annex them so we’ve got room to grow.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:04:01pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

Even after bashing Democrats and whining about a Clinton conspiracy at his hearing.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:04:47pm

Tons of conservatives on Twitter trashing Ronan Farrow right now. He’s in their heads.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:04:47pm

Hope your constituents enjoyed their health care, Joe because Kavanaugh doesn’t care about that.

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Tyrion  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:05:15pm

What we need is migration from New York city, California and all the big cities into states like Montana,Wyoming, the Dakotas,etc.

Heck, not even that many would be able to change the composition of those small states that have inordinate amount of power in our system.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:05:28pm

re: #275 jaunte

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Tons of conservatives on Twitter trashing Ronan Farrow right now. He’s in their heads.

Unlike James O’Keefe, he’s a real journalist and not a scat enthusiast.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:05:29pm

re: #272 Tyrion

Manchin’s vote will make it a “bipartisan” confirmation according to Republicans.

So, I assume we can write off Manchin’s re-election at this point? He’s going to lose support from Democrats, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:06:00pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know how sometimes you can hear the rain coming a good 60 seconds or more before it arrives?
And the windows and doors are closed?

yeah…that’s happening here.

even more rain now…and the sun is shining.

there’s a rainbow somewhere…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:06:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:06:06pm

re: #279 KGxvi

So, I assume we can write off Manchin’s re-election at this point? He’s going to lose support from Democrats, right?

I think he’ll win re-election regardless which is why I think this was such a shit move on his part.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:06:07pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

The struggle to become human has been long, and it is not over.

Sad what with all the religion about with the happy saving talk.

Oh wait. Damn. 12 years of Catholic School and I keep forgetting you pray to get by the hell on earth to get the good stuffs when you die!

Lovely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:07:27pm

re: #257 jaunte

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that’s how some women avoid being hit.
and then they get hit again and again.
and then they gaslight…again.

rinse and repeat

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:07:45pm

re: #279 KGxvi

So, I assume we can write off Manchin’s re-election at this point? He’s going to lose support from Democrats, right?

I have no issue with WV going red….. That’s what it is. I know some disagree but in my mind. Manchin needs to go.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:08:22pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:08:25pm

re: #285 Dave In Austin

I have no issue with WV going red….. That’s what it is. I know some disagree but in my mind. Manchin needs to go.

I mean yeah I can get why he’ll vote differently on things like guns but this?

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:08:27pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

I think he’ll win re-election regardless which is why I think this was such a shit move on his part.

He will, and as I said, being a resident of Texas, if he were my rep I would still vote for him, because of the alternative. But, being a Democrat, he’s acting exactly like we want Republicans to act, to care more about they way those around them would be affected than the party line.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:08:43pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

I think he’ll win re-election regardless which is why I think this was such a shit move on his part.

Just feels like this is the sort of thing that will depress Democratic turnout and not the sort of thing that will make someone leaning toward the Republican nominee to change their mind.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:08:54pm

I can’t help thinking about McCain just now. I know he was no saint, but I think the GOP has slidden even further since his death. I think especially of his vote killing one of the anti-ACA bills. I don’t think this GOP has anything remotely like that in them. The Drump thing has invasion of the body snatchers captured them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:09:08pm

re: #288 Belafon

He will, and as I said, being a resident of Texas, if he were my rep I would still vote for him, because of the alternative. But, being a Democrat, he’s acting exactly like we want Republicans to act, to care more about they way those around them would be affected than the party line.

I would too but I wouldn’t campaign for him.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:09:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:09:59pm

re: #289 KGxvi

Just feels like this is the sort of thing that will depress Democratic turnout and not the sort of thing that will make someone leaning toward the Republican nominee to change their mind.

I have no idea. Gah how the hell does WV go from being a Dukakis state and thus seeing through the Willie Horton bs to this hsit?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:10:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:10:44pm

Heitcamp did the right fucking thing Joe. Why couldn’t fucking you?

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:11:16pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

I have no idea. Gah how the hell does WV go from being a Dukakis state and thus seeing through the Willie Horton bs to this hsit?

Guns, God, and Coal. Bush stoked the resentment and fear of Dems taking guns away, and further wedged it by paeans to coal. Between that and the general decline of unions, they sold their soul to Massey Energy and the NRA.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:11:21pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

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But to be clear, he was in with Collins’ vote. I don’t much blame Manchin here. He’s got those cousinfuckers in WV to appease, and at this point it makes no difference.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:11:39pm

re: #296 Citizen K

Guns, God, and Coal. Bush stoked the resentment and fear of Dems taking guns away, and further wedged it by paeans to coal. Between that and the general decline of unions, they sold their soul to Massey Energy and the NRA.

You are correct.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:11:51pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:12:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:12:11pm

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

But to be clear, he was in with Collins’ vote. I don’t much blame Manchin here. He’s got those cousinfuckers in WV to appease, and at this point it makes no difference.

I hope those CFers enjoy losing their insurance then because Kavanaugh sure as hell isn’t going to give a fuck about that.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:12:21pm

re: #272 Tyrion

Manchin’s vote will make it a “bipartisan” confirmation according to Republicans.

And for 90% of the mainstream media.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:12:29pm

“Justice *Asterisk”
“Justice *KeggerBitchslapper”
“Justice *HoldMyBeer”
“Justice *KnowYourPlace”
“Justice **********************************************************************”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:12:41pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

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Yet Dr. Ford should be mad at DiFi and not spinelsss shits like you, Susan.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:13:07pm

re: #303 Dave In Austin

“Justice *Asterisk”
“Justice *KeggerBitchslapper”
“Justice *HoldMyBeer”
“Justice *KnowYourPlace”
“Justice **********************************************************************”

Justice Dickface
Justice Can’t Hold His Liquor
Justice Temper Tantrum

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thecommodore  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:13:23pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

I’m hoping this is the case.

I’m not so sure. In spite of all the bullshit “pro-lifers” spew about abortion going back to the states if Roe is overturned, I believe there will be a federal anti-abortion law passed within a year of that happening.

I also fear Obergefell could be overturned followed by a federal law banning same sex marriage, invalidating those that already exists.

The confirmation of Kavanaugh is the first step towards Gilead.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:13:27pm

We have a fucking frat boy bro on SCOTUS guys.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:14:24pm

re: #289 KGxvi

Just feels like this is the sort of thing that will depress Democratic turnout and not the sort of thing that will make someone leaning toward the Republican nominee to change their mind.

Probably true in West Virginia. A lot of Republican pollsters also thought, with good reason, that confirming Kavanaugh would lessen Republican anger while enraging Democrats and driving them the polls in all other races. Manchin didn’t need to do this, and should have followed Heitkamp’s lead. Instead he let himself get used, again.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:14:54pm

re: #306 thecommodore

I’m not so sure. In spite of all the bullshit “pro-lifers” spew about abortion going back to the states if Roe is overturned, I believe there will be a federal anti-abortion law passed within a year of that happening.

I also fear Obergefell could be overturned followed by a federal law banning same sex marriage, invalidating those that already exists.

The confirmation of Kavanaugh is the first step towards Gilead.

That is my fear as well. They may have finally gotten what they wanted. So hard we fought for progress and now? We just may have to fight a lot of the 60’s and beyond over again. As Ireland of all places has grown more progressive on choice and LGBT rights. We may take a giant leap backwards here.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:15:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:15:12pm

re: #279 KGxvi

So, I assume we can write off Manchin’s re-election at this point? He’s going to lose support from Democrats, right?

Not really.
The Democrats in WV are, for the most part, Blue Dogs…like apprentice republicans.
This won’t hurt Manchin much at all.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:15:31pm

re: #288 Belafon

He will, and as I said, being a resident of Texas, if he were my rep I would still vote for him, because of the alternative. But, being a Democrat, he’s acting exactly like we want Republicans to act, to care more about they way those around them would be affected than the party line.

Which would be fine if there weren’t serious allegations of sexual assault or that display of partisan hackery that he gave at the last hearing. It’d be very easy to say:

While I believe Judge Kavanaugh has the credentials to serve on the Supreme Court, the allegations against him gave me pause. Moreover, Judge Kavanaugh did not show the temperament we have come to expect from Supreme Court Justices, personal attacks of Senators and claims of conspiracies are disqualifying. My hope is that, if his nomination is rejected, the president will nominate another well qualified jurist that could gain near unanimous approval such as Justice Ginsburg and Justice Scalia.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:15:50pm

re: #310 jaunte

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WTF does that even mean. She knows who attacked her, you dumb fuckmop.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:15:50pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

We have a fucking frat boy bro on SCOTUS guys.

It isn’t official until tomorrow, and things may change between now and then. My hope is that Avenatti has a real stink bomb prepared to drop at exactly this point in the process.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:16:24pm

re: #310 jaunte

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HOLY FUCK, is this asshole perpetuating the fucking clone conspiracy theory bullshit?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:16:26pm

re: #312 KGxvi

Which would be fine if there weren’t serious allegations of sexual assault or that display of partisan hackery that he gave at the last hearing. It’d be very easy to say:

Right not that hard.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:16:29pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

He’s still trying to have it both ways. Zero courage.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:16:42pm

re: #314 EPR-radar

It isn’t official until tomorrow, and things may change between now and then. My hope is that Avenatti has a real stink bomb prepared to drop at exactly this point in the process.

I can only hope.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:16:46pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

I hope those CFers enjoy losing their insurance then because Kavanaugh sure as hell isn’t going to give a fuck about that.

Yeah. I’m past caring for self-destructive voters in the whitest fucking state in America voting to fuck everyone else because in their total fucking ignorance they’re afraid of Sharia, Mexicans, black people, and LGBTQ folks.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:17:20pm

re: #312 KGxvi

Which would be fine if there weren’t serious allegations of sexual assault or that display of partisan hackery that he gave at the last hearing. It’d be very easy to say:

I agree. I actually didn’t mean it to be a defense of his vote right now as much as a recognition of what “normal” should be like. But, in that world, Kavanaugh wouldn’t have been nominated.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:18:18pm

re: #319 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. I’m past caring for self-destructive voters in the whitest fucking state in America voting to fuck everyone else because in their total fucking ignorance they’re afraid of Sharia, Mexicans, black people, and LGBTQ folks.

I care about their kids being fucked but I’m outta fucks to give. They don’t care about sexual assault victims. They don’t care about losing their health insurance. But hey at least you feel nice and safe since you’ve got a President who definitely looks down on you but at least he and you hate the same people, right? Gah! I am so angry right now. Definitely going to need a work out today.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:18:31pm

re: #315 Citizen K

Everything fucking sucks, and we may as well have Gov’t by 4Chan at this fucking point. What’s the fucking point.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:20:12pm

I think a lot of people are feeling exactly like this right now. That speech was just so much insulting, mendacious garbage.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:20:29pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:20:33pm

maybe he’ll celebrate by getting blackout drunk and not show up for his swearing-in.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:20:49pm

re: #322 Citizen K

Everything fucking sucks, and we may as well have Gov’t by 4Chan at this fucking point. What’s the fucking point.

My 23 year old, 18 year old, and 13 year old.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:21:44pm

Dear Katy Tur,

I understand you do not vote.

So, why are you a political news reporter?

Please, with all due respect. What the hell are you doing, what gives you the right to comment when you do not participate?

I don’t think I can watch or ever take her serious again.

Yeah, she is agreeing with some of Collins’ points about it being political and a broken system.

I worked with a young man back in 2010/11 and he was a history major working toward teaching it with a masters he was working on.

He didn’t vote either. And I could never get him to say why beyond “what’s the point?” He’d get upset and smarmy if pressed.

This is why our country is where it is today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:22:26pm

The problem with saying you believe her, but not any of the details she relates is that it goes against everything we know about survivors of traumas like this - they remember the attack and the attacker but generally, after decades, not the ancillary details.

To say that is to invent your own hypothesis of how memory in trauma works, and insist on that hypothesis in the face of considerable counterevidence.

It would be a lot more honest to say, “I want to vote for him, and voting for him requires that I not believe Dr. Ford, so I don’t believe Dr. Ford.”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:24:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:25:02pm
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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:25:53pm

What’s worse?

The senators that allegedly believe that Dr. Ford was assaulted, but are “unsure” that Kavanaugh did it? In other words, Dr. Ford was too…something…to have properly identified her assailant.

OR

The senators that just think she’s lying.

I’d go with the former. Aside from the condescension implicit in that position, at least the latter group are honest assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:27:05pm

re: #331 Mike Lamb

What’s worse?

The senators that allegedly believe that Dr. Ford was assaulted, but are “unsure” that Kavanaugh did it? In other words, Dr. Ford was too…something…to have properly identified her assailant.

OR

The senators that just think she’s lying.

I’d go with the former. Aside from the condescension implicit in that position, at least the latter group are honest assholes.

The former for the reasons said.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:27:22pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:27:27pm

re: #326 Belafon

My 23 year old, 18 year old, and 13 year old.

My 60 year old (me) and my 79 year old (hubby).

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:27:28pm

re: #327 ObserverArt

I’ve been urging one of my co-workers to vote for the first time (she’s 30). She won’t register because she says she doesn’t want to be called for jury duty.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:28:21pm

re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem with saying you believe her, but not any of the details she relates is that it goes against everything we know about survivors of traumas like this - they remember the attack and the attacker but generally, after decades, not the ancillary details.

To say that is to invent your own hypothesis of how memory in trauma works, and insist on that hypothesis in the face of considerable counterevidence.

It would be a lot more honest to say, “I want to vote for him, and voting for him requires that I not believe Dr. Ford, so I don’t believe Dr. Ford.”

Every thing they do is anti-science.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:28:46pm

Republicans did what they wanted to do. They may have found Ford believable, but they didn’t care, except as far as she was an obstacle and a PR issue to gas their way around.
Now they’re blaming protesters. “See what you made us do!”

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:28:51pm

re: #335 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’ve been urging one of my co-workers to vote for the first time (she’s 30). She won’t register because she says she doesn’t want to be called for jury duty.

I hope she doesn’t have a drivers license then.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:29:09pm
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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:30:03pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:30:14pm
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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:30:23pm

re: #330 Charles Johnson

“Look what you made me do to you!”

Welcome to the modern GOP, the party of unapologetic asshole abusers.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:30:26pm

re: #335 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’ve been urging one of my co-workers to vote for the first time (she’s 30). She won’t register because she says she doesn’t want to be called for jury duty.

Um…please punch her in the face.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:31:02pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:31:23pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:31:36pm

November 6th.
“…let justice roll down like waters,
and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.”

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:31:50pm

re: #342 TedStriker

“Look what you made me do to you!”

Welcome to the modern GOP, the party of unapologetic asshole abusers.

With an entire industry of enablers that allow them to get away with it and continue to get away with it with virtually no hope of getting out of the abusive relationship.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:32:35pm

re: #245 jaunte

No, it’s gaslighting. This is what rapists and abusers do. And as far as I’m concerned, she might as well been in the room where Dr. Ford was assaulted or in any other room where shit like this occurs, because she’s an accomplice to this culture being SO concerned about a man’s life that the trail of victims he left behind are nothing but shit on the bottom of their shoes. And yes, I’m fucking angry. And heartbroken.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:33:35pm

re: #341 jaunte

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It’s early, Charles, keep some powder dry.

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thecommodore  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:34:14pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not really.
The Democrats in WV are, for the most part, Blue Dogs…like apprentice republicans.
This won’t hurt Manchin much at all.

re: #331 Mike Lamb

What’s worse?

The senators that allegedly believe that Dr. Ford was assaulted, but are “unsure” that Kavanaugh did it? In other words, Dr. Ford was too…something…to have properly identified her assailant.

OR

The senators that just think she’s lying.

I’d go with the former. Aside from the condescension implicit in that position, at least the latter group are honest assholes.

I’d go with neither. They don’t care if she was assaulted or not. They really don’t. They just want Trump’s backstop on the court. It doesn’t matter that they could have a different conservative justice without Kavanaugh’s baggage on the court. It had to be him because he will protect Trump in any showdown with Mueller that could come before the court. That’s what they care about. That’s all they care about.

In other words, they’re fuckers!

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:34:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:35:07pm

re: #335 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’ve been urging one of my co-workers to vote for the first time (she’s 30). She won’t register because she says she doesn’t want to be called for jury duty.

You have my permission to fart in her cubicle.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:35:21pm

re: #341 jaunte

Take two of the liberal justices out and suddenly the court is less divisive.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:35:35pm

re: #335 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’ve been urging one of my co-workers to vote for the first time (she’s 30). She won’t register because she says she doesn’t want to be called for jury duty.

I despise that attitude. Jury duty probably isn’t fun (I was only called once, but was deployed to the Med). Under our system of justice, it is a vital component of civic duty, to ensure that those tried get a fair hearing before their peers.

I really wouldn’t want a trial and stand being judged by those who were “too dumb” to get out of jury duty. Those are the sort of people who would throw you under a bus so they could get to lunch quicker.

Maybe that would motivate her.

And not register to vote? Well, today’s Dumpster fire in the Senate is what you get when you don’t care who’s in charge.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:35:41pm
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Ming5000  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:35:45pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Soros actually made himself too. Donnie was wealthy due to Daddy when he was shitting the bed.

Not a single right winger will do any research on who George Soros is or what he has tried to do with his wealth after the Soviet Union collapse, and how he tried to evolve into modified activism as the world changed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:36:59pm

re: #352 goddamnedfrank

You have my permission to fart in her cubicle.

And that’s not the only way they get you.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:37:44pm

re: #354 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve always enjoyed jury duty (called five times). It tends to give you an appreciation for fellow citizens when you’re among a randomly selected group trying to do the right thing.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:37:51pm

re: #341 jaunte

Collins: “My fervent hope is that Brett Kavanaugh will work to lessen the divisions in the Supreme Court so that we have far fewer 5-4 decisions.”

— Jeremy Diamond

Also a pony.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:39:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:39:09pm

re: #359 Sir John Barron

Also a pony.

What. The. Fuck? Did the Onion write her speech?

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:39:19pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:39:46pm

re: #360 Kragar

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Yeah, but a lot more acreage, and isn’t that what counts?
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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:39:53pm

re: #360 Kragar

Yeah, that makes things much better.

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Chrysicat  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:40:18pm

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

And the Founders thought this convoluted system was a good idea because?

Besides everything that’s been said up above, by the time even the Articles of Confederation rolled around, the Founders had started to feel that the mechanism responsible for denying colonial representation in Parliament was less His Majesty and more Parliament itself. The last thing they wanted was a unitary parliamentarian government, so with the Articles, they went as far from one as they could. Shays’s Rebellion showed that the Articles’ governmental structure didn’t and couldn’t work, but they were still never going to establish a Westminster system, and figured that they still wanted squabbling fiefdoms, just not quite so powerless as the ones in the Articles.

That meant a Commons analog in the House of Representatives; I’m honestly moderately surprised they didn’t go with 4-year terms offset from the President’s instead of running the risk that coattails could turn the House in the President’s favour for the first two years of his (I use that advisedly; I’m ‘only’ 41, but now expect only male Presidents in my lifetime) term. The Senate was set up to be two things: a check on the House’s “Commons”-type fire, and a directed voice for the state legislatures in the national capitol’s halls. Since it was foreseen that most, if not all, state legislatures would also be constituted in the election that named presidential electors, they’d be just as prone to influence from presidential campaigns as the House was—and since they were supposed to be extra-protective of the legislative fiefdom, it wouldn’t do to have them all appointed in the same year a President was elected. Plus, each year-class was intended to be somewhat-in-opposition to the others—more of the Founders wanting squabbling fiefdoms.

The majority of the Founders thought of the US more as an equivalent to today’s UN than to today’s US or even EU, and they were trying to keep it just as powerless. Then the War of 1812 happened with a few of them still around and they figured out that they were prey for re-colonisation unless they gave still more power to the central government. There’s still an argument whether anyone but the Know-Nothings saw the US as a single nation-state even then, though.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:41:31pm

re: #341 jaunte

“I have a dream about Judge Kavanaugh Making The Supreme Court Great Again where all the justices shall become united and produce unanimous decisions that please everyone.”

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steve_davis  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:41:51pm

re: #55 whitebeach

It’s certainly a strange sort of democracy where a lifetime appointment to the highest court can be made by a one-vote majority consisting largely of senators representing a small fraction of the nation’s population, and where the nomination was made by a president who lost the popular vote by millions.

fortunately, the founding fathers anticipated just how stupid the American populace often is, and built impeachment into the system. First, we take Trump. Then we take Kavanaugh. And if Democrats can’t get off their asses and vote in a midterm, then we deserve what we get.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:41:56pm
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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:42:10pm

re: #348 A Mom Anon

No, it’s gaslighting. This is what rapists and abusers do. And as far as I’m concerned, she might as well been in the room where Dr. Ford was assaulted or in any other room where shit like this occurs, because she’s an accomplice to this culture being SO concerned about a man’s life that the trail of victims he left behind are nothing but shit on the bottom of their shoes. And yes, I’m fucking angry. And heartbroken.

They just ensured that Dr. Ford relived her trauma for nothing. Worse than nothing, she’s become the posterchild for ‘lying slut’ for a vast swath of America the same way Trayvon Martin was the posterchild for ‘criminal thug’ for the crime of walking back from a convenience store in his father’s neighborhood.

They’ve ensured that this country, by law, will not only treat sexual assault and rape victims like they don’t matter, but sent the message that ‘you speak up, you will be destroyed because you need to be put in your place’. It’s a reminder that they hold all the power, and they will hold all the power in perpetuity, and to fight back simply will make them stronger because they will always be the ones believed, not you, not ever.

It’s beating victims back into the shadows, forever.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:42:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:42:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:43:43pm

re: #370 Scottish Dragon

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Avenatti was right about Trump and we’ll find out Kavanaugh too.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:44:06pm

I can’t believe this is still happening….

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steve_davis  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:44:11pm

re: #63 Lidane

It’s GOHMERT!, y’all:

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damn, dobbs looks like the blood ration got cut back at Vampire Club.

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:45:08pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

Avenatti was right about Trump and we’ll find out Kavanaugh too.

He’s a publicity whore who, to date, has accomplished nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:45:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:46:14pm

re: #368 jaunte

Joe Scarborough, former Republican congressman, who let Trump call it in to his show day after day during the campaign? That Joe? The one who let him get away with insulting Mika Brzezinski? Spare me.

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Chrysicat  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:46:17pm

re: #373 Dave In Austin

Is…that…a 419 claiming that they’re to get compensation for being targeted by another 419?

That’s even more brazen than the original!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:46:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:46:34pm

re: #375 Skip Intro

He’s a publicity whore who, to date, has accomplished nothing.

I don’t entirely disagree but he should have no bearing in determining if Swetnick is credible. Either she is or she isn’t.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:46:50pm

re: #365 Chrysicat

There is a reason why our system is almost never replicated anywhere else (and we did not even try to write this into the new German or Japanese constitutions after WW2) and that is because it becomes self destructive.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:46:57pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:47:08pm

re: #373 Dave In Austin

This sounds very legit and convincing.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:47:49pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hope not. The House should focus on investigating Trump and his Administration, and passing good legislation for the GOP Senate to kill so people can see a clear alternative to Trumpism in the period before the next presidential election.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:48:08pm

re: #381 Scottish Dragon

There is a reason why our system is almost never replicated anywhere else (and we did not even try to write this into the new German or Japanese constitutions after WW2) and that is because it becomes self destructive.

Look at the British. Every system has become self-destructive. Evil eventually finds the weaknesses in any system that doesn’t change.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:48:59pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, I hope the Democrats take a slightly different track when investigating him. Figure out how he suddenly paid off his loans, and find out how that leads back to Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:49:13pm

re: #375 Skip Intro

He’s a publicity whore who, to date, has accomplished nothing.

Michael Cohen might have a differing opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:49:47pm

re: #386 Belafon

Actually, I hope the Democrats take a slightly different track when investigating him. Figure out how he suddenly paid off his loans, and find out how that leads back to Trump.

I bet you someone had dirt on him that he (Kav) wanted to go away real fast.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:49:55pm

The Heartwarming Tale Of The GOP Senator Who’ll Leave Daughter’s Wedding So He Can Fuck Over All Women (Wonkette)

Senator Daines was involved in kayfabe as well in his statement to Mitch McConnell.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:50:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:51:27pm

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Would that be the George HW Bush who grabs women’s asses at photo ops with his “David Cop-a-feel” line?

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:52:01pm

re: #390 jaunte

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Yep. Like I said: beating victims back into the shadows, forever, because stepping forward will have even more consequences, and fighting back will be virtually assured failure.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:52:39pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

I think a lot of people are feeling exactly like this right now. That speech was just so much insulting, mendacious garbage.

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In a way I am glad she read this speech prepared just for her by The White House.

It will show more women that Republican women do not care about them…just in case they had some inkling it was only white Republican men.

This is just more stank on Republicans. It is getting pretty foul..

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:53:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:53:11pm

re: #393 ObserverArt

In a way I am glad she read this speech prepared just for her by The White House.

It will show more women that Republican women do not care about them…just in case they had some inkling it was only white Republican men.

This is just more stank on Republicans. It is getting pretty foul..

I hope so. I really hope so.

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Chrysicat  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:53:30pm

re: #391 Blind Frog Belly White

Would that be the George HW Bush who grabs women’s asses at photo ops with his “David Cop-a-feel” line?

Was he doing it before he was a dirty, senile old man, though?

Certainly, Clinton never tried “we’re both womanisers” as a way to save his voter base and you’d think that, with HW already being somewhat rehabilitated, he would have.

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steve_davis  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:55:01pm

re: #87 Lidane

My one slim hope is that the Court doesn’t end up destroying the country before sanity is restored. At this point, it’s a very, very, very slim hope. I have no reason to trust conservatives or Republicans at all.

the one possible saving grace is that Roberts, who I think is probably a decent person in spite of being a corporate whore, may be so repelled by Kavanaugh that he ends up almost having to act as a moderating force on the court. The other outrageously funny outcome would be if Kavanaugh gets on the court and suddenly becomes the liberal he’s always wished to be, but couldn’t out of supreme court ambitions.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 1:55:58pm

re: #326 Belafon

My 23 year old, 18 year old, and 13 year old.

I don’t have kids, but I do have a lot of nieces and nephews that are now having kids, some as young as 2.

I care about them too.

I hope they become educated enough to know right from wrong and how wrong our politics are right now and how it can be in the future for them if they work for it.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:00:17pm

re: #330 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
Hot takes already starting to fly that it was the protests and demonstrators who caused this to happen. As if the fix wasn’t in from the very start.

4:24 PM - Oct 5, 2018

What? Being actual participating Americans is now a bad thing for Republicans. If that doesn’t go to what I have been saying this afternoon, nothing does.

They want to keep their backers dumb and pacified. Just go along.

All Resistance will be put down. Fuck that noise.

(Time to roll this out again…)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:01:17pm

If they’re refusing to read your letters or host town halls. Yeah confront and shame the bastards.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:01:21pm

re: #365 Chrysicat

That meant a Commons analog in the House of Representatives; I’m honestly moderately surprised they didn’t go with 4-year terms offset from the President’s instead of running the risk that coattails could turn the House in the President’s favour for the first two years of his (I use that advisedly; I’m ‘only’ 41, but now expect only male Presidents in my lifetime) term.

There was some expectation that Electors would exercise independent judgment in voting for president and vice-president, and that the election might often fall to Congress, like in 1800.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:01:33pm

re: #385 Belafon

Look at the British. Every system has become self-destructive. Evil eventually finds the weaknesses in any system that doesn’t change.

Parliamentary systems have more stability according to observers since one party has all the levers of power and is accountable to the voters for everything. The party in power gets their chance to do their whole agenda and if they screw it up, so be it.

We are the ONLY presidential democracy that has no fallen into chaos and dictatorship (all the South American countries that tried our example failed) and one of the major problems is that we have no clear idea of “who speaks for the people”. Does the POTUS speak for the people or does congress? That division is what McConnell used to his benefit when he said that Obama would never be allowed to fill a seat in the SCOTUS since the American people had elected the GOP to stop him.

But of course…55% of the Senate reflects less than 20% of the American population.

This division did not matter so much when the parties where somewhat heterogeneous. As the parties are utterly homogeneous today, we have effectively broken the government and all there is left is raw power, meaning we are drifting towards the Latin American experience of chaos and strongmen.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:02:10pm

And no doubt there will be people who are registered as Republicans saying they can work to reform the party from the inside (perhaps even here at LGF).

That vote right there in the Senate, that is why I’ve never been a Republican. That party cannot be reformed, that’s who they want to be. Gutting the Treasury to feed the voracious appetites of the wealthy, they are not the party of fiscal conservatism (Democrats are). They are not the party of law and order (Democrats are).

GOP delenda est. What the party needs is a mass exodus of voters who realise their party was never what they thought it was. Until that happens, they will never change.

You only get a say with your Republican representatives or senators if you bring a big bag of money.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:03:02pm

re: #399 ObserverArt

What? Being actual participating Americans is now a bad thing for Republicans. If that doesn’t go to what I have been saying this afternoon, nothing does.

They want to keep their backers dumb and pacified. Just go along.

All Resistance will be put down. Fuck that noise.

(Time to roll this out again…)

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I think it plays into the idea that Republicans would have done the right thing, but all those scary protesters caused them to change their minds. If it did, then they really don’t need to be in office.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:03:52pm

My compromise….. This would work for me.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:04:26pm

re: #404 Belafon

This whole fucking country needs Civics 101 lessons.

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MsJ  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:05:03pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:05:38pm

re: #407 MsJ

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Oh I want to see what happens when Collins goes dining…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:06:28pm

re: #402 Scottish Dragon

Parliamentary systems have more stability according to observers since one party has all the levers of power and is accountable to the voters for everything. The party in power gets their chance to do their whole agenda and if they screw it up, so be it.

(rest cut).

Parliamentary systems are subject to a party with nearly complete control having to make coalitions with fringe parties to get power.

In the case of conservatism, since gaining and maintaining power is the only goal, you get things like the UK’s Conservative coalition with Northern Ireland’s DUP, Israel’s Likud coalition with fringe religious parties, or Canada’s Progressive-Conservatives under Stephen Harper aligning with parties such as the Reform Party and Wildrose.

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Chrysicat  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:06:47pm

re: #406 A Mom Anon

This whole fucking country needs Civics 101 lessons.

Not least because they were last a common thing sometime around 1991, with the exception of some red places where they never went away, but the curriculum got corrupted to make people completely misunderstand their government and their rights.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:07:41pm

re: #356 Ming5000

Not a single right winger will do any research on who George Soros is or what he has tried to do with his wealth after the Soviet Union collapse, and how he tried to evolve into modified activism as the world changed.

They do not care about the real George Soros.

It is the cartoon picture drawn by Republicans they see.

In other words, who the fuck needs reality when you can get your hate on.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:08:26pm
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:08:56pm

re: #409 Anymouse 🌹

Parliamentary systems are subject to a party with nearly complete control having to make coalitions with fringe parties to get power.

In the case of conservatism, since gaining and maintaining power is the only goal, you get things like the UK’s Conservative coalition with Northern Ireland’s DUP, Israel’s Likud coalition with fringe religious parties, or Canada’s Progressive-Conservatives under Stephen Harper aligning with parties such as the Reform Party and Wildrose.

True, but the ruling party gets complete say in the executive branch and the legislative.

We have effectively become a semi-parliamentary system without the benefits and with ALL the drawbacks.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:09:43pm

re: #412 Anymouse 🌹

Sorry, Ambassador, your tweet has already popped up on your wikipedia page, you’re running.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:09:56pm

I’m at the point where I’d rather deal with honest racists, misogynists, and such than with people like Collins and Flake.

I’ve said before that I could respect an honest Conservative who would admit that their economic policy preferences would lead to ever-increasing concentration of wealth, slower growth, and more poverty with no safety net, but that they believe that low taxes and lack of regulation are more important. But no, they claim, against all evidence, that their plan will solve all the problems, which is either dishonest or delusional.

Similarly, Collins tortured claims that Kavanaugh will NOT vote the way all 99 OTHER Senators KNOW he will is either dishonest or delusional. I can handle the troglodytes honest declarations that he WILL vote to repeal Roe v Wade, to empower corporate America at the expense of individuals and the environment, and to allow anyone to get any gun they want at any time for any reason.

I can deal with honestly bad people. It’s the ones who pretend to be good people while doing all the same things bad people do that I can’t take.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:10:08pm

re: #414 KGxvi

Sorry, Ambassador, your tweet has already popped up on your wikipedia page, you’re running.

LOL

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:11:14pm
Finally, parliamentary democracy risks producing weak coalitions that can’t govern at all, because no party commands a working majority. In these circumstances, small parties hold the balance of power, and they may demand a high political price for participating in a governing coalition. In this sense, parliamentary systems can be biased in favor of fringe parties and ideas. Italy, with its many parties, is an apt example of ungovernability.

Again, this applies to our current situation, though that’s not immediately obvious. Superficially, the Republicans have congressional majorities as well as the White House. But appearances are deceiving. Although we lack hordes of small parties, we do have many “caucuses,” on both right and left, that play a similar role. On the right, we have the House Freedom Caucus; on the left, we have the Congressional Progressive Caucus. They can leverage their support, as the Freedom Caucus is now doing with Obamacare.

A parliamentary system works best when there is general agreement about the role of government; when voting discipline is followed slavishly by its legislators; and when minority parties or their substitutes don’t exert undue influence. None of these conditions exists in the United States today.

washingtonpost.com

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:13:13pm

re: #397 steve_davis

the one possible saving grace is that Roberts, who I think is probably a decent person in spite of being a corporate whore, may be so repelled by Kavanaugh that he ends up almost having to act as a moderating force on the court. The other outrageously funny outcome would be if Kavanaugh gets on the court and suddenly becomes the liberal he’s always wished to be, but couldn’t out of supreme court ambitions.

The funniest outcome would be if he has a single-car drunk driving smashup the day after a Democrat is elected president. Or falls down the stairs, or off the roof while putting up Christmas lights, or just about any other kind of alcohol-related fatality.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:13:31pm
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ipsos  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:13:51pm

re: #405 Dave In Austin

My compromise….. This would work for me.

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Manchin, in the end, was just a profile in cowardice who didn’t matter anyway. By waiting for Collins to be the deciding vote, Joe became just (ironically) a “me too.” Even if he’d suddenly announced he was a no vote, it would have been 50-50 at that point and Pence would have broken the tie in Kavanaugh’s favor.

What should happen to Manchin in the next Senate? Depends. If he wins (and I still hope he does), if he’s our 51st vote we have to suck it up and get along with him, because he can always hold out the threat of switching caucuses.

If he’s our 53rd or 54th vote, then he’ll be an irrelevancy anyway.

So much can happen between now and November, never mind January.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:14:00pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:15:32pm

re: #415 Blind Frog Belly White

There was a book I read once by a real estate guy called “Looking out for number one.”

The essence of the book was dividing certain people in business or politics into three categories.

Folks always look out for number one, the ones who tell you right up front they will screw you then try to do it.

Number twos were the folks who are gaslighters, who tell you they’re on your side and stab you in the back.

Number threes were those who sincerely believed they were on your side, and stab you in the back anyway.

Fellow’s name was Ringer; he also wrote “Winning through Intimidation.” Real cynical guy. Described the GOP perfectly with his descriptions of real estate.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:15:43pm

re: #421 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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All the reporter did was point out 51-49 for cloture and Cotton threw his little fit about CNN. Trump’s pathetic ness is rubbing off.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:15:50pm

re: #369 Citizen K

They just ensured that Dr. Ford relived her trauma for nothing. Worse than nothing, she’s become the posterchild for ‘lying slut’ for a vast swath of America the same way Trayvon Martin was the posterchild for ‘criminal thug’ for the crime of walking back from a convenience store in his father’s neighborhood.

They’ve ensured that this country, by law, will not only treat sexual assault and rape victims like they don’t matter, but sent the message that ‘you speak up, you will be destroyed because you need to be put in your place’. It’s a reminder that they hold all the power, and they will hold all the power in perpetuity, and to fight back simply will make them stronger because they will always be the ones believed, not you, not ever.

It’s beating victims back into the shadows, forever.

I see it a bit differently.

What Dr. Ford did was allow thousands, millions of us to tell our own stories of sexual assault. She caused us to dedicate ourselves to engaging in our democracy, especially voting. This all allowed men who were not aware of what we go through to see it. That dedicated them too. We also got to find the truth the assholes in our society are trying to bury. She ripped a scab off, a tremendous scab.

She won. She told her story openly and honestly and inspired a movement that will last way past Kavanaugh and it will impact so much more than one Supreme Court justice. It will impact Congressional races and maybe a presidential one.

It’s a lot bigger than Kavanaugh.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:16:33pm

re: #419 Dave In Austin

The replies to her tweet are pretty solid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:16:55pm

re: #414 KGxvi

Sorry, Ambassador, your tweet has already popped up on your wikipedia page, you’re running.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:17:39pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:17:48pm

re: #377 Anymouse 🌹

Joe Scarborough, former Republican congressman, who let Trump call it in to his show day after day during the campaign? That Joe? The one who let him get away with insulting Mika Brzezinski? Spare me.

I used to sometimes watch his first half hour because it was an indication of what the Republican points were going to be that day and it was more news that first half hour (outside of Joke acting like Brett Kavanaugh being a smarmy conservative frat boy).

I stopped doing that back in late May. Have not been back since. I finally reached the total saturation of assholeness emanating from my video. Slime.

I no longer could take either Joke or Mika.

By the way, never did hear any of those Trump call ins, unless some video/audio was posted here. They came later in the show.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:17:52pm

Shorter Collins:

I acknowledge that terrible abuses happen, but I can’t conceive that those abuses are done by *my* people. Any proposal that *my* people can be part of such wrongdoing is a kind of abuse.

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steve_davis  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:18:35pm

re: #139 blueraven

Lisa Murkowski is the only Republican with any integrity.

Even Lisa only voted no because 1)the count was such that she could; 2) Alaskans had let her know in no uncertain terms that she would be out of a job if she voted yes.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:18:39pm

I know we’ve got an election 32 days away and all that, but…

Lining up some top flight challengers for 2020 in places like Maine, Texas, both Carolinas, Montana, and any other state where Democrats might have a chance, seems like a decent idea.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:18:48pm

re: #424 BlueGrl21

I see it a bit differently.

What Dr. Ford did was allow thousands, millions of us to tell our own stories of sexual assault. She caused us to dedicate ourselves to engaging in our democracy, especially voting. This all allowed men who were not aware of what we go through to see it. That dedicated them too. We also got to find the truth the assholes in our society are trying to bury. She ripped a scab off, a tremendous scab.

She won. She told her story openly and honestly and inspired a movement that will last way past Kavanaugh and it will impact so much more than one Supreme Court justice. It will impact Congressional races and maybe a presidential one.

It’s a lot bigger than Kavanaugh.

More women who choose to run for office is a good thing in my book. I hope some more of these women do.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:18:55pm
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:19:35pm

re: #420 ipsos

Manchin, in the end, was just a profile in cowardice who didn’t matter anyway. By waiting for Collins to be the deciding vote, Joe became just (ironically) a “me too.” Even if he’d suddenly announced he was a no vote, it would have been 50-50 at that point and Pence would have broken the tie in Kavanaugh’s favor.

What should happen to Manchin in the next Senate? Depends. If he wins (and I still hope he does), if he’s our 51st vote we have to suck it up and get along with him, because he can always hold out the threat of switching caucuses.

If he’s our 53rd or 54th vote, then he’ll be an irrelevancy anyway.

So much can happen between now and November, never mind January.

Strip him of his committee assignments as suggested above.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:19:51pm

re: #428 ObserverArt

One of the truly great benefits of living on the West Coast is that Morning Joe is long over by the time I wake up.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:19:53pm

re: #433 Scottish Dragon

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Whatever enabler. After Cruz, we’re coming for your seat next.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:21:47pm

re: #433 Scottish Dragon

“I, elected representative of The People, will not listen to The People! How dare they speak to me!”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:21:54pm
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rhuarc  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:22:38pm

At this point, patriots need to start stepping up in this country and do what is necessary.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:22:51pm

re: #438 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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They do work for FNC. The GOP is its political arm.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:22:54pm

popehat got a case of the ass and blocked me after he complained about a New Yorker profile mocking Kavanaugh’s man tears and I tweeted this at him:

Libertarian dudebro FREEZE PEACH warrior got all snowflake on me. Sad.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:23:41pm

re: #428 ObserverArt

Joe Scarborough Details Trump Falling Out: ‘He Screamed at Me’ (Rolling Stone, June 29, 2017, more at the link):

Donald Trump has had plenty of volatile exchanges with the press since he announced his candidacy, but he’s saved some of his most searing personal attacks for Morning Joe co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski. In the course of the campaign, Trump went from promoting his many appearances on the show - and having off-the-record phone calls with the hosts - to calling Brzezinski “a neurotic and not very bright mess” and suggesting she “had a mental breakdown while talking about me” last summer.

But Trump unleashed one of his more vicious verbal assaults on the duo Thursday morning when he tweeted: “I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don’t watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mike, along with Psycho Joe, came…to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year’s Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!” The tweets were widely derided on both sides of the political spectrum; Speaker Paul Ryan called them inappropriate. “It’s a sad day for America when the president spends his time bullying, lying and spewing petty personal attacks instead of doing his job,” a spokesman for MSNBC said.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:23:56pm
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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:25:06pm

re: #439 rhuarc

At this point, patriots need to start stepping up in this country and do what is necessary.

And that is?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:25:46pm

re: #443 Single-handed sailor

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Yeah read about that earlier. Chilling.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:25:55pm

re: #424 BlueGrl21

I don’t see that Dr. Ford won anything given that she and her family have had to leave their home under death threats and she now has to live under guard. Unfortunately, “the b*tch accused the wrong person” meme has won the day. That’s pretty much what Collins and Manchin said to justify their votes to confirm Kavanaugh. What happened to Dr. Ford confirmed for many women that they won’t be believed if they come forward. Not good.

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:27:05pm

re: #405 Dave In Austin

My compromise….. This would work for me.

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Yeah, but the Dems won’t do it. No guts.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:28:19pm

re: #447 Skip Intro

Yeah, but the Dems won’t do it. No guts.

Let’s say after the election, the Senate’s at 51-59 Ds-to-Rs. What do you do about Manchin?

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:29:06pm

re: #447 Skip Intro

Yeah, but the Dems won’t do it. No guts.

If the Dems remain in the minority, or have a 51-49 majority, and they strip him of committees and what not, he could just caucus with the Republicans. Would not be the first time something like that happened. There was a Republican who switched sides after 2000, I believe.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:29:12pm

re: #446 Patricia Kayden

I don’t see that Dr. Ford won anything given that she and her family have had to leave their home under death threats and she now has to live under guard. Unfortunately, “the b*tch accused the wrong person” meme has won the day. That’s pretty much what Collins and Manchin said to justify their votes to confirm Kavanaugh. What happened to Dr. Ford confirmed for many women that they won’t be believed if they come forward. Not good.

I suppose that depends on what rape and sexual harassment victims take away from this next. If it’s galvanised them to change the way they are treated, that will be reflected at the ballot box.

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rhuarc  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:29:19pm

re: #444 KGxvi

And that is?

Whatever you want it to be. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:29:23pm

re: #448 Belafon

The Senate’s at 51-59 Ds-to-Rs. What do you do about Manchin?

Feed him to the sharks. He can never be trusted.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:29:24pm

re: #446 Patricia Kayden

I don’t see that Dr. Ford won anything given that she and her family have had to leave their home under death threats and she now has to live under guard. Unfortunately, “the b*tch accused the wrong person” meme has won the day. That’s pretty much what Collins and Manchin said to justify their votes to confirm Kavanaugh. What happened to Dr. Ford confirmed for many women that they won’t be believed if they come forward. Not good.

I’m in the ‘let see how this plays out over time before giving out final scores’ camp.

After all, the Dred Scott decision was the end of the world for abolitionists, until it wasn’t.

In this case, everything depends on the midterms. A red wave there, driven by rampant misogyny and celebration of rape culture, would indeed be grounds for despair.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:30:01pm

Hopefully the Kavanaugh confirmation will wake America up to the fact that SCOTUS is an undemocratic political entity imposing far right minority rule on the country.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:30:06pm

Look at these Brave Sir Robins running away.

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:30:10pm

re: #449 KGxvi

If the Dems remain in the minority, or have a 51-49 majority, and they strip him of committees and what not, he could just caucus with the Republicans. Would not be the first time something like that happened. There was a Republican who switched sides after 2000, I believe.

You know what, if the Dems get a 51/49 majority he’ll do it anyway.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:30:42pm

re: #451 rhuarc

Whatever you want it to be. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

So, Second Amendment solutions? You ok with that?

Or do you actually have anything constructive?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:31:59pm

re: #456 Skip Intro

You know what, if the Dems get a 51/49 majority he’ll do it anyway.

After the Trumpocalypse in the GOP Primary, we had a state senator here flip from the GOP to the Libertarians. This can go more than just Joe Manchin abandoning the Democrats.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:32:28pm
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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:33:25pm

And from the replies:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:33:26pm

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

Look at these Brave Sir Robins running away.

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They’re so confident that Kavanaugh is a good person.//

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:33:32pm

re: #450 Anymouse 🌹

I’m sure like me, you know a few women who have been sexually molested but never came forward. In some cases, they didn’t even tell their own parents. The way that Dr. Ford has been treated (she was assaulted but she’s too dumb to know who the assailant was) isn’t helpful in making women feel comfortable in speaking out. This sends a painful message to young women too.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:33:43pm

re: #403 Anymouse 🌹

Jon Meacham, the presidential historian made a great point right before I turned back to baseball from MSNBC/Nicole Wallace.

He pointed out how deep conservatives have been pissed off at their presidents and senators in the past for putting too damn many moderates on the Supreme Court to go with moderate and progressive Dem choices.

And since Eisenhower they have been boiling and churning.

This was their chance under Trump to get the “real conservative” court they have wanted all along.

That tells me this is the Kochs, Adelsons and their ilk that have been pushing Mitt and Trump like never before. Along with the Evangelicals used to preaching their choir to do the voting.

Shoving ‘em over the hill they will die on to get what they want.

This is why the old time Republicans were all being huge assholes. Graham, McConnell, Grassley, Hatch…they knew this and they knew the future of money for the Republicans was tied to getting this done for their money men.

And many of those old farts aren’t going to be around to see the damage done.

But it also is leading to a cleansing of the party. They do not want the NeverTrumpers back at all no matter what. They have all flunked the purity tests that do not exist.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:33:47pm

re: #457 KGxvi

So, Second Amendment solutions? You ok with that?

Or do you actually have anything constructive?

Massive disobedience. Break shit. Encourage California to ignore the SCOTUS when Kavanaugh rules to destroy their net neutrality and pollution laws.

If this is going to be a cold civil war, then start acting like it.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:34:31pm

re: #457 KGxvi

So, Second Amendment solutions? You ok with that?

Or do you actually have anything constructive?

A lot of people are OK with calling for blood, assuming it will not be theirs.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:34:39pm

re: #458 Anymouse 🌹

After the Trumpocalypse in the GOP Primary, we had a state senator here flip from the GOP to the Libertarians. This can go more than just Joe Manchin abandoning the Democrats.

I don’t see a single Republican switching to the Democratic side. None of them have shown the slightest bit of independent or fortitude.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:35:42pm

re: #463 ObserverArt

Meacham also did a great job pointing out that Collins voted for a Kavanaugh who doesn’t exist. She painted him as some kind of moderate when he’s really hard right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:36:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:37:31pm

re: #468 Blind Frog Belly White

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Well you’d be pissed too if everyone always requested you do Surfin Bird at Karaoke.

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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:37:49pm

So guys, how’re things going…

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:37:54pm

re: #464 Scottish Dragon

Massive disobedience. Break shit. Encourage California to ignore the SCOTUS when Kavanaugh rules to destroy their net neutrality and pollution laws.

If this is going to be a cold civil war, then start acting like it.

The moment we start ignoring Supreme Court rulings because we don’t like them is the moment we stop being a democracy. As I said above, the same logic can be used to undo all sorts of constitutional protections because the other side doesn’t like them.

Protest, vote, run for something, sure I’m down for all of those. But ignoring the law? Nope, that’s a line we can’t cross as a nation.

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thecommodore  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:38:11pm

re: #412 Anymouse 🌹

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Well, she’ll be lucky if she can be elected dog catcher if she doesn’t come clean about the four Americans left to die at Benghazi.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:38:44pm

re: #471 KGxvi

The moment we start ignoring Supreme Court rulings because we don’t like them is the moment we stop being a democracy. As I said above, the same logic can be used to undo all sorts of constitutional protections because the other side doesn’t like them.

Protest, vote, run for something, sure I’m down for all of those. But ignoring the law? Nope, that’s a line we can’t cross as a nation.

Yes. That is what I meant by breaking things. That cow left the barn. Now, this is about power and we are fighting for our lives in a rather real sense.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:39:51pm

re: #471 KGxvi

Ignoring the law when the law is unjustifiable is fine with me. That’s how we had the Underground Railroad despite laws which mandated the return of slaves to their masters. It’s also how we fought Jim Crow laws during the Civil Rights Movement.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:40:24pm

re: #453 EPR-radar

I’m in the ‘let see how this plays out over time before giving out final scores’ camp.

After all, the Dred Scott decision was the end of the world for abolitionists, until it wasn’t.

In this case, everything depends on the midterms. A red wave there, driven by rampant misogyny and celebration of rape culture, would indeed be grounds for despair.

Problem is, it took a Civil War to change that…

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:41:29pm

re: #474 Patricia Kayden

Ignoring the law when the law is unjustifiable is fine with me. That’s how we had the Underground Railroad despite laws which mandated the return of slaves to their masters. It’s also how we fought Jim Crow laws during the Civil Rights Movement.

Those are individuals ignoring laws. That’s different from the government doing so. People saying the president/congress/states should ignore rulings are arguing for an Andrew Jackson approach to the law. That can’t stand.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:43:01pm

re: #430 steve_davis

Even Lisa only voted no because 1)the count was such that she could; 2) Alaskans had let her know in no uncertain terms that she would be out of a job if she voted yes.

I got a flash vision of a Republican Bingo/Lottery type machine with 4 ping pong balls with the names Flake, Collins, Murkowsky and Corker on them.

When Mitch gets ready for a vote he turns the air on, the balls get blown around and mixed up and then he opens the little shoot up for a ball to make it up and pop out.

That name is the entitled no vote for this round.

And Manchin wins on his bingo card…or something.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:43:13pm

re: #476 KGxvi

Or for a more recent example, it is George Wallace yelling “segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” because after all, why does the governor of a state have to listen to the Supreme Court?

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:44:13pm

re: #471 KGxvi

Protest, vote, run for something, sure I’m down for all of those. But ignoring the law? Nope, that’s a line we can’t cross as a nation.

Didn’t the people who ran the underground railroad for escaped slaves and the lunch counter sit-in protestors “ignore the law”?

Conversely, you had segregationist governors doing the same thing for the opposite cause, which resulted in the National Guard being called in.

So in the parlance of disingenuous milquetoast mainstream pundits, “both sides” ignored the law. But in those instances (at least temporarily), the good guys won.

Now that America is a new, cold civil war, the only choice is to work for the same outcome. Ends justify the means at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:44:18pm

re: #478 KGxvi

Or for a more recent example, it is George Wallace yelling “segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” because after all, why does the governor of a state have to listen to the Supreme Court?

Yep. I understand the distinction here.

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rhuarc  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:44:46pm

re: #457 KGxvi

So, Second Amendment solutions? You ok with that?

Or do you actually have anything constructive?

Wouldn’t be my first course of action I’d suggest, but I wouldn’t object to that. After all, you’d still be a British subject without such a solution.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:45:39pm

re: #471 KGxvi

because we don’t like them is the moment we stop being a democracy.

As I said, I think we have already passed that moment in a real sense when the last POTUS was told he would never fill another seat on the SCOTUS and Hillary Clinton was told she would never fill any seats either.

The court has been effectively captured by far right donors (who ran ads on TV the entire time this has played out, which I have never, ever seen before) and I cannot in good conscience call it legitimate.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:46:14pm

re: #479 Interesting Times

Didn’t the people who ran the underground railroad for escaped slaves and the lunch counter sit-in protestors “ignore the law”?

Conversely, you had segregationist governors doing the same thing for the opposite cause, which resulted in the National Guard being called in.

So in the parlance of disingenuous milquetoast mainstream pundits, “both sides” ignored the law. But in those instances (at least temporarily), the good guys won.

Now that America is a new, cold civil war, the only choice is to work for the same outcome. Ends justify the means at this point.

Private citizens ignoring the law and elected officials ignoring the law. Two very different things. If we can’t understand the difference, and the effect that elected officials being able to ignore the law would actually have, then well, we don’t deserve the democracy we have.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:46:31pm
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:47:12pm

re: #476 KGxvi

Those are individuals ignoring laws. That’s different from the government doing so. People saying the president/congress/states should ignore rulings are arguing for an Andrew Jackson approach to the law. That can’t stand.

I think it is time to cross that line. The GOP understand power and they use power. If they want to buy the SCOTUS with Koch money, why are we obligated to go with it?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:48:01pm

re: #481 rhuarc

Be careful with that here. We don’t need to go Sharon Angle.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:48:54pm

re: #483 KGxvi

Private citizens ignoring the law and elected officials ignoring the law. Two very different things. If we can’t understand the difference, and the effect that elected officials being able to ignore the law would actually have, then well, we don’t deserve the democracy we have.

LGF is being screwy for me today, so I didn’t see your earlier responses to the same effect before posting mine. HOWEVER, we DO already have state and local governments “ignoring” certain trumpian laws (e.g. Sanctuary Cities). Granted, I don’t know all the technicalities of where things stand at this point, but what if Beer Keg Brett’s SCOTUS rules that ICE decrees are obligatory and override state/city rights? Is it okay for the sanctuary cities to keep defying such laws, in your book…?

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:49:52pm

re: #443 Single-handed sailor

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Never forget your history they were told.

And told again. Reminders.

Shit, they forgot their history.

History of Man, since the dawn of time.

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rhuarc  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:50:30pm

re: #486 Scottish Dragon

Be careful with that here. We don’t need to go Sharon Angle.

Yep, we can keep being careful with that even when they’re leading us to camps for re-education.

*edit: And anyway, I said that was not my preferred option. There are many people in positions of power that could use their power and access to information to topple the whole thing.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:52:25pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:54:36pm

There are ticks! And scorpions! And water mites! But mostly spiders. #Arachtober

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:55:01pm

re: #457 KGxvi

So, Second Amendment solutions? You ok with that?

Or do you actually have anything constructive?

Violence is NOT the answer because Republicans want a martyr for their cause.

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:55:33pm

re: #487 Interesting Times

LGF is being screwy for me today, so I didn’t see your earlier responses to the same effect before posting mine. HOWEVER, we DO already have state and local governments “ignoring” certain trumpian laws (e.g. Sanctuary Cities). Granted, I don’t know all the technicalities of where things stand at this point, but what if Beer Keg Brett’s SCOTUS rules that ICE decrees are obligatory and override state/city rights? Is it okay for the sanctuary cities to keep defying such laws, in your book…?

The most recent rulings, as I understand them, is that a federal agency can’t force state or local governments to enforce federal laws or to participate in federal law enforcement activities. If the Court ruled the other way, then, yeah, as terrible a policy as I think it is, the state and local governments should abide by the law. Because they take an oath to protect and defend the constitution, as the supreme law of the land; and if an otherwise valid Supreme Court ruling says they are obligated to help, then as individuals their choice is to comply or resign.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:57:25pm

re: #492 Joe Bacon 🌹

Violence is NOT the answer because Republicans want a martyr for their cause.

This I agree with - humiliate and mock them instead. Strip them of any “glamor” and make them look as pathetic as possible (there’s a reason fascist regimes go after comedians with a vengeance).

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:57:57pm

re: #493 KGxvi

This is, ultimately, the flip side of the Kimberly Davis issue. She was a government official and tried to ignore a Supreme Court ruling because she didn’t like it.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:58:29pm

re: #489 rhuarc

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KGxvi  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:58:38pm

re: #492 Joe Bacon 🌹

Violence is NOT the answer because Republicans want a martyr for their cause.

For the record, I’m not advocating violence. I’m just annoyed by the comment I was responding to.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 2:59:43pm

re: #492 Joe Bacon 🌹

Violence is NOT the answer because Republicans want a martyr for their cause.

Violence is not the answer YET, but I’m not sanguine that it will never be the answer. I’ve largely lost all my ‘It Can’t Happen Here’ illusions, and if It Does Happen Here, what’s left? Strongly worded letter?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:02:09pm

re: #498 Blind Frog Belly White

Violence is not the answer YET, but I’m not sanguine that it will never be the answer. I’ve largely lost all my ‘It Can’t Happen Here’ illusions, and if It Does Happen Here, what’s left? Strongly worded letter?

I’m all for self defense. Get a CCW if you really, really think that is what you need.

Like other said, though…the right wants a martyr and if my history degree tells me anything at all, it is that this country is very, very forgiving of right wing violence and not at all forgiving of left wing violence (or for that matter any sort of left wing protests at all)

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:02:22pm

Wrong.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:03:44pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:03:55pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:04:03pm

Fuck Joe Manchin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:05:33pm

re: #499 Scottish Dragon

I’m all for self defense. Get a CCW if you really, really think that is what you need.

Like other said, though…the right wants a martyr and if my history degree tells me anything at all, it is that this country is very, very forgiving of right wing violence and not at all forgiving of left wing violence (or for that matter any sort of left wing protests at all)

I’m thinking more along the lines of what happens if the country really does go full-on fascist, which I never thought could happen.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:05:56pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:06:40pm

Yeah, that’s the ticket. Women don’t want to be on the committee, except for those Democratic women.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:06:55pm

re: #500 jaunte

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Wrong.

I disagree. Avenatti is not to blame for Kavanaugh’s confirmation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:07:00pm

re: #500 jaunte

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Wrong.

Exactly. That reflects a very poor understanding of the dynamics at work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:08:23pm

‘Grassley suggests his panel has trouble attracting women because “It’s a lot of work—maybe they don’t want to do it.”’

Your Ranking Member would like a word.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:08:34pm

re: #507 Patricia Kayden

Avenatti AND Trump were side issues in this. The Republicans wanted to push Kavanaugh through, so they did, despite his inadequacies.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:08:43pm

re: #506 Single-handed sailor

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Yeah, that’s the ticket. Women don’t want to be on the committee, except for those Democratic women.

Hmmm who does the committee appointments. But thanks.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:09:44pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:11:11pm

re: #507 Patricia Kayden

I disagree. Avenatti is not to blame for Kavanaugh’s confirmation.

I’ll split the difference: It was Avenatti’s involvement in her coming forward that hurt the credibility of Mrs. Swetnick’s allegations.

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rhuarc  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:12:13pm

re: #504 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m thinking more along the lines of what happens if the country really does go full-on fascist, which I never thought could happen.

We’ll all still be here wringing our hands talking about how we should be civil and to not upset the apple cart too much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:12:33pm

re: #510 jaunte

Avenatti AND Trump were side issues in this. The Republicans wanted to push Kavanaugh through, so they did, despite his inadequacies.

Not certain I agree WRT Trump. I feel like his coming out and mocking Ford at the rally was intended to signal the troops that they could stop worrying about whether she was telling the truth and just go all in and believe Kavanaugh was 100% innocent.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:14:15pm

re: #504 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m thinking more along the lines of what happens if the country really does go full-on fascist, which I never thought could happen.

We will cross that particular Rubicon if necessary, but that isn’t operative yet.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:14:22pm

re: #514 rhuarc

We’ll all still be here wringing our hands talking about how we should be civil and to not upset the apple cart too much.

You must be reading a different set of comments than I am.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:15:22pm

re: #494 Interesting Times

This I agree with - humiliate and mock them instead. Strip them of any “glamor” and make them look as pathetic as possible (there’s a reason fascist regimes go after comedians with a vengeance).

Tubas

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:15:25pm

re: #510 jaunte

Avenatti AND Trump were side issues in this. The Republicans wanted to push Kavanaugh through, so they did, despite his inadequacies.

To bottom line this, a SCOTUS nomination is always an ordeal for the nominee. Kavanaugh’s ordeal was worse than most, perhaps fairly, perhaps unfairly.

So he was tested, and Kavanaugh failed that test at last week’s hearing.

The weepy and abusive Kavanaugh of that hearing, ranting about Democrats and the Clintons, and vowing partisan revenge is the real man. His judicial career is the mask

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:20:05pm

re: #514 rhuarc

We’ll all still be here wringing our hands talking about how we should be civil and to not upset the apple cart too much.

I am sure as fuck not being civil. Going off half cocked is not going to help us, though.

Elections are coming. THAT IS OUR FOCUS NOW!! Take every bit of your rage and use that! Vote! Register people! Drive them to the fucking polls! Show up at demonstrations (and there will be some I’ll guess) and network! There are ore of us than there are of the other side, and it is time we show them that and start making it hurt. If that means shutting roads and businesses, I’m good with that. I have other ideas, but I’m not going to say them here in public.

But whatever you do…leave out the fucking guns. We are not the Bundy’s.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:20:16pm

re: #502 jaunte

And Kavanaugh and Republicans will shrug their shoulders and carry on. This is a power grab. Kavanaugh doesn’t care about clouds. He’s going to rule as if he was confirmed by each and every Senator. Look at how Trump acts as if he has a mandate even though he lost the popular vote.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:21:00pm

re: #516 Scottish Dragon

We will cross that particular Rubicon if necessary, but that isn’t operative yet.

Hence my saying ‘not yet’. And I’m not saying I’d advocate violence, but I’m afraid it will come, and it will be wholly justifiable. Note that we’re already a lot farther down that road than we ever imagined we would get.

I’ve pointed to the current and future skewing of the Senate to become less and less representative of America. If the less populous states were smart, they’d work with the other states to develop a plan to address this, but they won’t, and eventually a small minority of the population, much whiter and more rural than America itself, will hold veto power over legislation and the judiciary. What then? At what point, all electoral and legislative solutions having failed, will the majority of Americans no longer tolerate that?

That’s what I worry about.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:21:03pm

Going to unplug for now. Everybody be well. Do something healthy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:23:39pm

re: #491 wrenchwench

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There are ticks! And scorpions! And water mites! But mostly spiders. #Arachtober

touchdown!

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:23:46pm

re: #479 Interesting Times

Didn’t the people who ran the underground railroad for escaped slaves and the lunch counter sit-in protestors “ignore the law”?

Conversely, you had segregationist governors doing the same thing for the opposite cause, which resulted in the National Guard being called in.

So in the parlance of disingenuous milquetoast mainstream pundits, “both sides” ignored the law. But in those instances (at least temporarily), the good guys won.

Now that America is a new, cold civil war, the only choice is to work for the same outcome. Ends justify the means at this point.

On Bloody Sunday John Lewis and the other Demonstrators were told to disband their protest and stop their march immediately. I imagine some law was spouted before the newly deputized white town’s men began beating on them all with clubs.

Yep, breaking the law.

Tea Party too…broke some British laws.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:24:47pm

re: #482 Scottish Dragon

As I said, I think we have already passed that moment in a real sense when the last POTUS was told he would never fill another seat on the SCOTUS and Hillary Clinton was told she would never fill any seats either.

The court has been effectively captured by far right donors (who ran ads on TV the entire time this has played out, which I have never, ever seen before) and I cannot in good conscience call it legitimate.

But the Democrats “politicized” it.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:26:13pm

re: #519 EPR-radar

To bottom line this, a SCOTUS nomination is always an ordeal for the nominee. Kavanaugh’s ordeal was worse than most, perhaps fairly, perhaps unfairly.

So he was tested, and Kavanaugh failed that test at last week’s hearing.

The weepy and abusive Kavanaugh of that hearing, ranting about Democrats and the Clintons, and vowing partisan revenge is the real man. His judicial career is the mask

The real man also went on national TV and wrote an op ed in support if his own nomination. No one has ever done either of those things afaik

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:26:25pm

re: #482 Scottish Dragon

As I said, I think we have already passed that moment in a real sense when the last POTUS was told he would never fill another seat on the SCOTUS and Hillary Clinton was told she would never fill any seats either.

The court has been effectively captured by far right donors (who ran ads on TV the entire time this has played out, which I have never, ever seen before) and I cannot in good conscience call it legitimate.

Apropos of which….

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:26:40pm

re: #513 Targetpractice

I’ll split the difference: It was Avenatti’s involvement in her coming forward that hurt the credibility of Mrs. Swetnick’s allegations.

How? He was her lawyer. I’m not going to play along with demonizing Democrats.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:28:46pm

re: #498 Blind Frog Belly White

Violence is not the answer YET, but I’m not sanguine that it will never be the answer. I’ve largely lost all my ‘It Can’t Happen Here’ illusions, and if It Does Happen Here, what’s left? Strongly worded letter?

Fuck that. I’m keeping my passport current and heading for the border when SHTF. Hopefully the Gordie Howe Bridge will be open by then.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:29:08pm

re: #514 rhuarc

We’ll all still be here wringing our hands talking about how we should be civil and to not upset the apple cart too much.

African Americans didn’t use violence to fight Jim Crow so I don’t think we have to consider using violence now. Being uncivil doesn’t mean being violent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:29:10pm

re: #506 Single-handed sailor

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Yeah, that’s the ticket. Women don’t want to be on the committee, except for those Democratic women.

that’s because Democratic Senators are all woosie soy men…

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:31:55pm

re: #530 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck that. I’m keeping my passport current and heading for the border when SHTF. Hopefully the Gordie Howe Bridge will be open by then.

By the time “the Rubicon” was crossed in Germany it was already too late for the Jews. People have to stop being so naive about this. This shit has happened all over the world. Just because it hasn’t happened her yet doesn’t mean anything.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:32:05pm
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:32:14pm

re: #500 jaunte

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Wrong.

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Chrysicat  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:39:53pm

re: #457 KGxvi

So, Second Amendment solutions? You ok with that?

Or do you actually have anything constructive?

<ctrl-f “general strike until Trump and Kav are removed from office”>
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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:41:14pm

Friday night!

Thank God for guitars…and beer…and…

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Chrysicat  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:44:42pm

re: #536 Chrysicat

Finally fixed that reply. Been too long since I had to simulate a bracket, because virtually nothing runs pure html anymore :”>

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:45:12pm

Bwana Melania heads into darkest Africa with her bearers, wearing the latest in 19th century colonial fashion.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:45:32pm

re: #524 Backwoods_Sleuth

touchdown!

Does that need to be hidden?

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Chrysicat  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:47:20pm

re: #540 wrenchwench

I’m not quite triggering myself, but there may be bigger arachnophobes here.

I’m not sure how the model for that shot isn’t getting bitten either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:48:04pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:50:21pm

re: #540 wrenchwench

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Does that need to be hidden?

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:50:43pm

re: #539 Skip Intro

en.rfi.fr

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:52:03pm

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (AP) — A Michigan man recently learned that a rock he’s been using as a doorstop is a meteorite worth $100,000.

The Smithsonian Museum and Central Michigan University say the nearly 23-pound hunk of iron and nickel is the sixth largest meteorite found in Michigan.

David Mazurek says he took his doorstop to the university for examination after seeing reports in January of meteorite pieces selling for thousands of dollars.

Mazurek says the meteorite came with a barn he bought in 1988 in Edmore. He says the farmer who sold him the property told him it landed in his backyard in the 1930s.

More tests are being conducted to see if the meteorite contains rare elements.

Mazurek says that when he sells the meteorite, he’ll donate some of the money to the university.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:52:55pm

re: #540 wrenchwench

Gorgeous spider; you know the species?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:53:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:54:41pm

re: #541 Chrysicat

I’m not quite triggering myself, but there may be bigger arachnophobes here.

I’m not sure how the model for that shot isn’t getting bitten either.

Spiders don’t often bite the substrates they walk on, unless that substrate does something threatening.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:54:54pm

re: #541 Chrysicat

I’m not quite triggering myself, but there may be bigger arachnophobes here.

I’m not sure how the model for that shot isn’t getting bitten either.

Most spiders like to wrap up their little snacks in lots of web, then give it a little bite. They don’t care for the big snacks that could take all of their web and still be free to bite back.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:56:17pm

re: #547 Charles Johnson

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This is why the GOP was so desperate to rush Kavanaugh’s confirmation through the Senate, and it’s just the beginning. They undoubtedly know there’s more coming out

And they’re all gonna be “sorry too late nothing we can do”

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:56:56pm

re: #546 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Gorgeous spider; you know the species?

Looks like some kind of garden spider to me, but that’s like saying, ‘It’s a mutt’ when somebody asks what kind of dog you have.

552
Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 3:57:03pm

re: #550 dangerman

And they’re all gonna be “sorry too late nothing we can do”

“If only we’d known about this at the time…”

553
wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:01:00pm

re: #552 Targetpractice

“If only we’d known about this at the time…”

If only we hadn’t slammed the door on all these closely held secrets…

554
Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:01:09pm

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whitebeach  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:02:44pm

With any luck, as soon as the country has a decent president again, Kavanaugh will have to retire to spend more time with his liver.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:03:00pm

re: #551 wrenchwench

Looks like some kind of garden spider to me, but that’s like saying, ‘It’s a mutt’ when somebody asks what kind of dog you have.

Mrs. FBW is attempting to divine what Dory’s heritage is comprised of. Whatever we think, we’ll be wrong. Whatever it is, she’s got a remarkably sweet disposition - cuddly, quiet, playful.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:04:25pm

re: #554 Targetpractice

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Darn! The one at the top had to go with the one on the bottom.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:05:56pm

re: #556 Blind Frog Belly White

Mrs. FBW is attempting to divine what Dory’s heritage is comprised of. Whatever we think, we’ll be wrong. Whatever it is, she’s got a remarkably sweet disposition - cuddly, quiet, playful.

Pure pupper. Requires much scritching.

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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:06:13pm

re: #557 wrenchwench

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Darn! The one at the top had to go with the one on the bottom.

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:06:56pm

re: #559 Targetpractice

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Oh, no! You got them both!

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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:07:23pm

re: #560 wrenchwench

Oh, no! You got them both!

Acceptable losses.

/

562
prairiefire  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:08:55pm

re: #555 whitebeach

With any luck, as soon as the country has a decent president again, Kavanaugh will have to retire to spend more time with his liver.

If he still has a drinking problem, this will be a big test for him. John Roberts don’t mess around with the Roberts’ legacy.

563
A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:09:02pm

re: #556 Blind Frog Belly White

Mrs. FBW is attempting to divine what Dory’s heritage is comprised of. Whatever we think, we’ll be wrong. Whatever it is, she’s got a remarkably sweet disposition - cuddly, quiet, playful.

DNA testing?

564
EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:12:18pm

re: #562 prairiefire

If he still has a drinking problem, this will be a big test for him. John Roberts don’t mess around with the Roberts’ legacy.

Even if Kavanaugh’s drinking is now under control, I can imagine the only opinions Roberts will give him to write are the boring ones that even a hyper-partisan SCOTUS can go 9-0 on.

565
Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:13:46pm

re: #558 wrenchwench

Pure pupper. Requires much scritching.

Most mornings when I come out to the Living And Dying Room - er, I mean Living and DINING Room - she comes running over all wiggly and then rolls over for me to rub her belly. Rango does much the same, but for him it’s a lot more effort - moment of inertia and all that.

566
Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:15:48pm

re: #563 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

DNA testing?

Until you know the truth, she could be anything. Schrodinger’s puppy - she is simultaneously all possible breeds, till you open the email with the results. Then you’re stuck with it.

567
wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:17:56pm

re: #565 Blind Frog Belly White

Most mornings when I come out to the Living And Dying Room - er, I mean Living and DINING Room - she comes running over all wiggly and then rolls over for me to rub her belly. Rango does much the same, but for him it’s a lot more effort - moment of inertia and all that.

There are various cats who are greeted as I walk to and from work. At least three of them will fling themselves to the ground and wait for a belly-scritch, but my two at home? Never. They don’t even have the leg-rubbing maneuver down. And they are 11 years old. Inadequate kittenhood is my theory.

568
Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:19:11pm

Law school exam question: SCOTUS strikes down California’s stricter environmental standards. California says fine, we will give tax breaks to any auto manufacturer, power company, etc. that complies with these aspirational emissions standards. Constitutional?

569
Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:21:01pm

re: #567 wrenchwench

There are various cats who are greeted as I walk to and from work. At least three of them will fling themselves to the ground and wait for a belly-scritch, but my two at home? Never. They don’t even have the leg-rubbing maneuver down. And they are 11 years old. Inadequate kittenhood is my theory.

Bubby (u pronounced like the oo in book), Mrs. FBW’s indoor/outdoor cat when she moved out here in 1982, was not at all affectionate with us. But when people came by, they’d ask who owned that incredibly affectionate kitty outside the apartment.

And yet, we kept feeding him.

570
dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:21:25pm

re: #566 Blind Frog Belly White

Until you know the truth, she could be anything. Schrodinger’s puppy - she is simultaneously all possible breeds, till you open the email with the results. Then you’re stuck with it.

It’s the ancestry.com commercial

571
TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:23:07pm

re: #544 jaunte

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en.rfi.fr

Is it just me or does it seem like that giraffe was looking at Tintin’s grossly caricatured companion like:

572
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:23:18pm

re: #539 Skip Intro

Bwana Melania heads into darkest Africa with her bearers, wearing the latest in 19th century colonial fashion.

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Melania Trump Raises Eyebrows in Africa With Another White Hat

NAIROBI, Kenya — A half a world away from the spectacle of Washington, Melania Trump still managed to create one of her own during a Kenyan safari on Friday, riding out into the grassland wearing a crisp white pith helmet — a common symbol of European colonial rule.

It may not have been the most glaring faux pas the hyper-scrutinized Mrs. Trump has ever made. That title probably goes to the “I really don’t care. Do U?” jacket she wore on the way to visit detained migrant children in Texas in June.

But to some — especially those who study African history — her fashion choice in Kenya was still a big error on the global stage: the sight of a first lady wearing something so closely associated with the exploitation of Africans.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:24:47pm

re: #572 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Melania Trump Raises Eyebrows in Africa With Another White Hat

They’re pithed, you might thay.
//

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:25:31pm

re: #573 Blind Frog Belly White

They’re pithed, you might thay.
//

+1

575
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:28:36pm

Guess who else wore pith helmets:

North Vietnamese Army pith helmet, circa 1968
576
goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:28:41pm

re: #568 Mike Lamb

Law school exam question: SCOTUS strikes down California’s stricter environmental standards. California says fine, we will give tax breaks to any auto manufacturer, power company, etc. that complies with these aspirational emissions standards. Constitutional?

First, technically most auto manufacturers don’t operate inside California so the tax break would go to dealers, so there’s not much incentive for the people making gas guzzlers. Also there’s already rebates for extremely low emissions vehicles in the form of rebates, my Dad got at $2500 check from the State after he bought his model S. The problem is those programs actually cost the State money directly, so they don’t really come close to substituting for things like our cleaner fuel and gas efficiency requirements.

577
EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:29:43pm

re: #572 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I have to ration my outrage these days. Melania’s hat is stupidly offensive, which gets it to about the 10th percentile of Trumpist outrages. That thing with one of the stupid Trump brats and the elephant’s tail was much worse.

578
Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:30:32pm

re: #577 EPR-radar

I have to ration my outrage these days. Melania’s hat is stupidly offensive, which gets it to about the 10th percentile of Trumpist outrages. That thing with one of the stupid Trump brats and the elephant’s tail was much worse.

Doesn’t deserve outrage. Just a rolling of the eyes.

579
TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:32:33pm

re: #575 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Guess who else wore pith helmets:

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Also:

580
EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:32:43pm

re: #578 Blind Frog Belly White

Doesn’t deserve outrage. Just a rolling of the eyes.

That can actually be a bigger deal than it sounds like. E.g., I’m just getting over a stye that made it painful to blink wrong for several days.

581
Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:33:08pm

re: #579 TedStriker

Also:

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“We ain’t found shit!”

582
goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:33:14pm

re: #576 goddamnedfrank

First, technically most auto manufacturers don’t operate inside California so the tax break would go to dealers, so there’s not much incentive for the people making gas guzzlers. Also there’s already rebates for extremely low emissions vehicles in the form of rebates, my Dad got at $2500 check from the State after he bought his model S. The problem is those programs actually cost the State money directly, so they don’t really come close to substituting for things like our cleaner fuel and gas efficiency requirements.

One thing California could probably do is change the law so the smog testing requirements are statewide instead of county by county. Then they could just say “okay fine, you win, people can buy whatever shitty gas and new cars they want, but they won’t be able to drive them legally if they can’t pass the stringent licensing emissions test.”

583
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:34:51pm

re: #577 EPR-radar

I have to ration my outrage these days. Melania’s hat is stupidly offensive, which gets it to about the 10th percentile of Trumpist outrages. That thing with one of the stupid Trump brats and the elephant’s tail was much worse.

I was more amused than outraged. It is clueless but as the NYT article points out, it was more of a concern on social media than in local media.

584
Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:36:13pm

Throwin’ down.

585
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:38:30pm

There was reportedly a photo op with Melania feeding baby elephants during this trip. I have to leave or I would dig it up and contrast it with Uday holding the elephant’s tail.

586
TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:39:30pm

re: #581 Targetpractice

“We ain’t found shit!”

Bonus trivia: the Spaceball pictured above that says that line is Tim Russ, later much more well known as Tuvok on Star Trek: Voyager (and is a pretty damn good guitarist too; someone posted a link to a performance he and his band did a couple of ears ago and it was damn good)

587
Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:39:54pm

re: #573 Blind Frog Belly White

They’re pithed, you might thay.
//

“She doesn’t care, does she.”

588
Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:43:12pm

Advocate for the party of personal responsibility blames Democrats for radicalizing Kavanaugh.

589
Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:45:32pm

re: #588 Blind Frog Belly White

Advocate for the party of personal responsibility blames Democrats for radicalizing Kavanaugh.

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“Look at what you made me do!”

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:45:49pm

re: #588 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s really got the Rush Limbaugh talking points down.

591
Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:47:08pm

The party of “personal responsibility” is coming up with all sorts of excuses for why their abhorrent behavior is not their fault.

592
Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:52:16pm

re: #591 Targetpractice

The party of “personal responsibility” is coming up with all sorts of excuses for why their abhorrent behavior is not their fault.

593
Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:55:41pm

re: #588 Blind Frog Belly White

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 4:57:47pm

re: #588 Blind Frog Belly White

Advocate for the party of personal responsibility blames Democrats for radicalizing Kavanaugh.

[Embedded content]

We will see in November who overplayed their hand, fuckstick.

And we radicalized the guy that wanted to embarrass Clinton and his family by asking the most sexually explicit questions possible? The dude that called Hillary a bitch? The operative that used stolen materials during his time in the W Administration? What the fuck was he before?

And last but not least…so Son of Erick is tacitly acknowledging that Kavanaugh won’t be impartial?

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:07:04pm

re: #588 Blind Frog Belly White

Advocate for the party of personal responsibility blames Democrats for radicalizing Kavanaugh.

Once more with feeling from the GOP flacks like Erickson:

“Look what you made us do!”

The whole Republican response to all of this was preordained, nothing but kayfabe to rope in the naive and gullible who normally don’t pay attention to politics and to dash their hopes on the rocks of Flake and Collins voting “Aye”, in hopes of depressing liberal turnout next month.

Erick, you can join the rest of your party and get fucked; as Kavanaugh huffily threatened during the hearing, “what goes around comes around”, but I think that it is you who will find that out sooner than later.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:24:07pm

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