And Now, Some Amazing Music: Ian Ethan Case, “Teacup Waterfall”

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Ian Ethan Case - acoustic double-neck guitar, archtop guitar, fretless guitar
Bertram Lehmann - percussion
Jeff Willet - hadgini
Jamey Haddad - percussion (not shown)*
Filmed & Edited by Duncan Wilder (Rhythm of You Productions - rhythmofyou.com)
Additional filming by Stephanie Case
Tracking Engineers - Jake Subin, Noel Flatt, Bryan Fennelly, Todd Carder, Paul Eachus & Andrew Tripp
Edited & Mixed by Ian Ethan Case
Mastering - Alex Psaroudakis

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405 comments

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:07:42pm

Thank you, Charles!

Really needed to hear some music!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:13:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:14:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:14:35pm
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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:16:04pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Absolutely. Really, this was all we needed to know in order to predict the outcome from the start:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:18:27pm
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:19:07pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

If Avenatti hadn’t come out with his client, they wouldn’t have even bothered with the investigation.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:20:25pm

To be blunt and a bit radical, I think the true movement conservative view on women and rape is that any inadequately chaperoned woman should be subject to rape by sufficiently powerful men.

After all, this is exactly how things were for most of recorded history, and progress away from that point of view has been both fitful and woefully incomplete.

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banditqueen  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:21:31pm

My voice is new here, but I have lurked for quite a while—I don’t want what I say to come across as a lecture. Today has been gut-wrenching for a lot of us and people will rant and vent in different ways—it’s all fine with me. Some of us have personal histories that make today’s decision particularly devastating. Please, we need to stick together—people can pull back and gather strength and come back when you’re ready, rant, scream, cry, give advice, sound the alarm, but right now, let each person work through their pain in their own way. Just be there. That’s all.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:21:38pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

re: #3 Charles Johnson

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Unfortunately, the reality won’t matter. It never matters, it never did matter. The narrative will be ‘Democrats shoot themselves in the foot by endorsing lying slut to cover up their failures’, and the cannons will fire from all sides. And it’ll just ensure that Dems are seen as the ones to blame, per always. Because that’s the only thing that seems to matter in American Politics: no matter what sins the GOP commits, it’s always the Democrats fault somehow and they deserves nothing but punishment and scorn.

And per always, it will work because that’s the only thing the media will run with.

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b.d.(soros funded)  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:22:08pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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The only people responsible for Kavanaugh are republicans, end story.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:25:40pm

re: #10 Citizen K

Unfortunately, the reality won’t matter. It never matters, it never did matter. The narrative will be ‘Democrats shoot themselves in the foot by endorsing lying slut to cover up their failures’, and the cannons will fire from all sides. And it’ll just ensure that Dems are seen as the ones to blame, per always. Because that’s the only thing that seems to matter in American Politics: no matter what sins the GOP commits, it’s always the Democrats fault somehow and they deserves nothing but punishment and scorn.

And per always, it will work because that’s the only thing the media will run with.

The Great Both-Siderist Lie of the US political media is Sauron serving the Morgoth of movement conservatism and the GOP.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:26:35pm

We’ll just have to address him as Justice Rapey McRapeface.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:27:05pm

re: #13 Single-handed sailor

Have to work Beery in there too.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:28:14pm

re: #10 Citizen K

Democrats were in disarray and Doug Jones got elected. Democrats were in disarray and Lamb got elected.

It will be a thing and we will continue to do our thing.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:29:24pm

So in a couple days, ten years blogging here. So much has gone by… So much still to come. littlegreenfootballs.com

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:29:27pm

re: #14 jaunte

Have to work Beery in there too.

How about Justice Rapeface McBeergut?

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wrenchwench  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:31:01pm

Later, lizards.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:31:58pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

When the going gets tough, Republicans circle the wagons and Democrats form up a circular firing squad; it’s frustrating.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:32:41pm

Committee to Investigate Russia:

Is Russian Money Behind Graham’s Growing Defense of Trump?
This is about the Blavatnik contributions (800 K+).

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:33:24pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:33:32pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:33:55pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:34:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:34:58pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:35:48pm

re: #15 Belafon

Democrats were in disarray and Doug Jones got elected. Democrats were in disarray and Lamb got elected.

It will be a thing and we will continue to do our thing.

“I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.” Will Rogers

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:37:07pm

re: #19 TedStriker

When the going gets tough, Republicans circle the wagons and Democrats form up a circular firing squad; it’s frustrating.

The firing squad is composed of crypto-Repug mediaheads and Berniebots, not Democrats.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:37:49pm

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.” Will Rogers

As true now as it was almost a century ago.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:37:59pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

The powers that be always despise any show of resistance. So making resistance out to have been entirely useless after every resistance effort that doesn’t succeed is an integral part of their plans for absolute domination.

The ten thousand funerals for the Occupy movement conducted by the media remain the best recent example of this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:38:11pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Wait, are they saying if nobody protested, and/or the sexual assault allegations were never brought forward, that the GOP would NOT have confirmed Kavanaugh?

Right.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:39:44pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

It is also literally the ‘logic’ of the wife beater saying to his battered wife “Look what you made me do!”

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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:40:41pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:43:00pm

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.” Will Rogers

“Yeah, takes us a while to get any traction, I’ll give you that one.” - Tony Stark

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:46:31pm

From yesterday
re: #50 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We’ll see. 49 GOP “Yes” and an abstention still confirms Kavanaugh

And then this today.
They don’t even need Manchin

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:47:07pm

To tell you how far away the left is from the usual blame each other, there isn’t a single DK diary saying that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:48:15pm

re: #21 jaunte

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see, according to Bill, all ya gotta do is deny you did it and it’s all good. Proof positive. End of story.

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gocart mozart  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:49:27pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:49:46pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I find your ideas persuasive and would like to subscribe to your at-home podcast.”

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:50:51pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:51:11pm

re: #13 Single-handed sailor

We’ll just have to address him as Justice Rapey McRapeface.

Justice Tampery McWitnesstamper

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:53:49pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:54:10pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

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So, how will she blame this one on Obama?

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:58:19pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

Psychopath Palin.

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piratedan  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:58:32pm

the plain honest truth is that if there hadn’t been any protestors or even this kabuki of “fact finding” then all that would have happened is that this shit-stain of a human being would have been confirmed two weeks prior.

That’s it… two weeks, now the GOP has to try and blame everyfuckingbody else because we showed them to be the same vindictive cruel pricks that they have always been but are now allowed to say this shit out in public, versus behind closed doors when the booze comes out.

All it has done has woke more people up to the moneyed cabal of remorseless amoral fucks that are doing everything they can to stay in power, no matter the method or what/who they have to screw over to get there.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 5, 2018 • 5:58:49pm

re: #21 jaunte

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Wow. Just wow.

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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:03:04pm

2 weeks ago, it was “Democrats did not do enough to kill this nomination! What about the credit card debt? And the missing docs? And the evasive answers? They should have said more and they didn’t! He’s gonna get confirmed and it’s all on them!”

2 weeks later, it’s “If Democrats hadn’t made all these sexual assault allegations, then we might have been able to defeat this nomination! The fence-sitters might have changed their votes if not for the way Democrats went about this! If there hadn’t been all these wild demonstrations and inappropriate actions, those votes might have been ‘No’s’!”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:03:37pm
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can't think of a decent username  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:05:52pm

Bill Bennett remains, if not the king of the assholes, at least an extremely high-ranking duke.

Bill is old. Old people periodically go to the hospital.

Nurses in hospitals are overwhelmingly female.

Nurses will be in charge of putting in and taking out Bill’s catheter.

I hope his nurses remember who he is.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:06:25pm

re: #45 Mike Lamb

You would think that having to pay out $32 million would maybe cause some self-reflection, but no.

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Archangelus  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:09:36pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:10:11pm

re: #44 piratedan

All it has done has woke more people up to the moneyed cabal of remorseless amoral fucks that are doing everything they can to stay in power, no matter the method or what/who they have to screw over to get there.

Consider, for a moment, how much power a billionaire really has in the US. Some simple examples:

1) Anyone who works for a living can be ruined economically by the billionaire, anonymously.

2) Anyone of ordinary means can be driven out of house and home by the billionaire, also anonymously.

3) Anyone of ordinary means can be murdered or raped under orders from the billionaire, also anonymously.

By and large these things don’t happen, primarily because there’s no money in it for the billionaire, and secondarily because the required dirty work would have to be done by underlings who might then be a threat to the billionaire or nuisances that need to be silenced.

Personally I don’t think any private citizen should have that kind of power, no matter how decent they might be as people. It is certainly a problem to have this kind of power in the hands of the sociopaths that infest the GOP donor class.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:10:53pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:12:29pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

These are probably the same yokels that think the TANG documents Rather used for his story were fakes.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:19:20pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:26:10pm

re: #54 Ace-o-aces

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The press made no serious attempt at all to call any Republicans who demanded Franken’s resignation to task for their disgusting defense of Kavanaugh.

Which really shows how ridiculous it was to run him out on a rail on the argument that doing so would give the DNC the moral high ground.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:28:46pm

re: #54 Ace-o-aces

It wasn’t in the workplace so it doesn’t count. //

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:31:35pm

re: #56 Belafon

It wasn’t in the workplace so it doesn’t count. //

Why the sarcasm? Privileged puddles of puke like young Kavanaugh went to those drunken parties precisely to more or less rapily ‘score’ with any woman who caught their eye.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:33:09pm
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:33:10pm
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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:33:28pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Which really shows how ridiculous it was to run him out on a rail on the argument that doing so would give the DNC the moral high ground.

GOPers have the perfect comeback to that, courtesy of Dear Leader Dotard: Franken admitted it, while Beer Keg Brett denied (and they would have used the same defense for Child Molester Moore had he won).

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:33:30pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

Why the sarcasm? Privileged puddles of puke like young Kavanaugh went to those drunken parties precisely to more or less rapily ‘score’ with any woman who caught their eye.

Yeah I should have used quotes instead.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:36:38pm
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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:36:52pm

Oh, and good advice here:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:38:46pm

my brother-in-law just posted a picture on Facebook of him and my sister with Michael Avenatti.

LOL!

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gocart mozart  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:40:07pm
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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:42:38pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

my brother-in-law just posted a picture on Facebook of him and my sister with Michael Avenatti.

Are they in Ohio?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:48:09pm

re: #66 Interesting Times

Are they in Ohio?

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yes, that’s the event.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:49:57pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:54:13pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

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It was never in doubt to begin with. Anyone who believed that we had a real chance of derailing these power-hungry assholes from achieving their dream of a packed Supreme Court willing to grant immunity to the most corrupt President of all time is delusional.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 6:57:55pm

re: #69 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It was never in doubt to begin with. Anyone who believed that we had a real chance of derailing these power-hungry assholes from achieving their dream of a packed Supreme Court willing to grant immunity to the most corrupt President of all time is delusional.

But if you don’t fight, you can be sure you will lose. And we’re getting more people more active. (Plus maybe Susan Rice!)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:00:37pm

I’m reading a mystery novel aptly titled “Till the Old Men Die”.
It involves politics here in the US and in the Philippines, and murder and shenanigans.
Pretty much like stuff going on now.

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gocart mozart  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:06:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:09:30pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:13:02pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:18:42pm

Nevermind

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:24:05pm

re: #74 jaunte

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Nah, you see, they have real grievances, but we just care about the game.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:25:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:26:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:38:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:41:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:44:16pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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I confess to being mad as hell at you about that, long before I joined up here. But I also couldn’t deny the evidence. The data are the data. You don’t hide the ones you don’t like.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:44:36pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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Actually, you did frame it that way. You never once were crowing about taking down Dan Rather. You focused exclusively on the documents being faked and on the proof thereof. I don’t remember exactly how your post ran when you posted about his career ending over the incident, but it wasn’t self-congratulatory, that I know.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:46:09pm

re: #82 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Actually, you did frame it that way. You never once were crowing about taking down Dan Rather. You focused exclusively on the documents being faked and on the proof thereof. I don’t remember exactly how your post ran when you posted about his career ending over the incident, but it wasn’t self-congratulatory, that I know.

And right on cue…

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:46:44pm

re: #82 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The fact that people went after Rather instead of trying to figure out where they came from.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:48:09pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:48:35pm

Rather’s producer screwed the pooch on that one. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing, but journalists, like scientists, must always be their own harshest critics.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:50:18pm

Dan Rather should have acknowledged that the docs were frauds, and moved on. That would have ended the story. But instead he still refuses to admit they were obvious fakes.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:51:29pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:51:34pm

I humbly submit this as the most offensive headline to anyone in the real resistance yet published.

Donald Trump Is the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration

The 45th president exudes more defiance from one of his short, little fingers than all the liberal yodelers of the Democratic Party and entire armies of pink pussy-hat-wearing protesters put together.

Fuck This Guy

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:57:52pm

Nights like this are wearying, when I get attacked by both left and right, and they’re all reacting to a person they imagine me to be.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:57:59pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

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Jail for Sarah Palin’s son: Third domestic violence arrest means he loses a second chance

He should have denied it

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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:58:28pm

It pisses me off that my senators are so diametrically opposed to one another. I guess it could be a crude representation of my state (Boulder is diametrically opposed to Colorado Springs, Aspen is liberal, Grand Junction is not), but it’s 200 proof distilled in our representation in the Senate.

I hate the Senate. What a fuckin’ crock of shit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 7:59:04pm

This is what I’ve been saying, and what others said at the time - Trump’s mocking of Dr. Ford made it okay for Republicans, who had hitherto been vacillating among several positions which at least allowed for Kavanaugh to be guilty, to decide Kavanaugh was 100% innocent. They didn’t have that certainty even after Kavanaugh’s tantrum on Thursday, but by Wednesday they’d gone all in on innocence.

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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:00:41pm

What’s the numbers we agree upon? Something like a quarter of the senators represent three quarters of the people?

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:03:47pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

a moment that horrified* senators and some of Trump’s own voters, but which may have helped tilt momentum toward Kavanaugh

*Not actually horrified.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:05:33pm

re: #65 gocart mozart

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Good to know there is some justice somewhere tonight. I hope he serves more than a few days jail time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:08:07pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

What’s the numbers we agree upon? Something like a quarter of the senators represent three quarters of the people?

I think at the moment, 62 Senators represent about 1/4 of the population.

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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:08:10pm

My senators. Michael’s a Democrat, Cory’s a Republican.

Cory put out this weasely statement.

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gocart mozart  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:15:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:15:24pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:17:01pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:19:29pm

It’s kind of surreal. LGF has been keeping a good eye on the far-right for a decade or more. And now we have sitting senators spout off shit that’s the daily radio diet of your average Infowars consumer. Tomorrow Mike Pence will give a speech decrying the New World Order. Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:22:10pm

Well, at least I’ll go to bed a little less angry

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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:23:28pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:25:01pm
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:29:59pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I’m not particularly fond of this idea that we don’t react to it. That’s what people have been doing for the last two weeks, and in some part, since Trump’s election. Those women climbed in the elevator with Flake because the GOP is trying to (re)normalize abusive behavior toward women.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:33:14pm

re: #48 can’t think of a decent username

Someone needs to tell us how they really feel:

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:35:19pm

re: #106 Belafon

I’m not particularly fond of this idea that we don’t react to it. That’s what people have been doing for the last two weeks, and in some part, since Trump’s election. Those women climbed in the elevator with Flake because the GOP is trying to (re)normalize abusive behavior toward women.

I think it’s less us, who are extremely keyed in to the political sausage making and everything, and more the general coverage, which has….done remarkably to enable this shit and pretend it’s something normal, and even when it taps into a would-be blockbuster like Trump’s tax fraud shit in the NYT a few days ago, it doesn’t settle because they move on to the next thing like the last atrocity was nothing special.

Of course, part of the reason is that we have a political media desperate to treat Trump’s America as the only America that matters and bent on erasure of everything else except to treat it as the antagonist to the heroic ‘Real America’.

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gocart mozart  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:40:43pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:41:10pm

Something nice; Joe Biden will be appearing with Amy McGrath in Bath County, Kentucky at a fish fry as she campaigns for Congress. The most recent poll has her leading Andy Barr.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:43:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:46:30pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:50:37pm
Congrats progressives. You so overplayed your hand that you
(A) fired up the Republican base;
(B) pissed off Susan Collins; and
(C) Radicalized the newest Justice on the United States Supreme Court.

Does KAV remember who drove him home the night he was radicalized?

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:55:41pm

DCCC chair: 60 Dem House candidates raised over $1 million in third quarter

Sixty House Democratic candidates broke the $1 million mark in fundraising from July through September, a whopping total fueling the party’s campaign to retake the House in November.

Thirty of those candidates exceeded $2 million raised last quarter, while eight of them brought in more than $3 million over that period. Three of those $3 million candidates have already announced their third-quarter fundraising: Amy McGrath, a former fighter pilot who’s challenging Rep. Andy Barr (R-Ky.); Josh Harder, a venture capitalist challenging Rep. Jeff Denham (R-Calif.); and Andrew Janz, an attorney running against Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.).

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:59:25pm

Here’s a long DK diary of the ups and downs those of us paying attention have witnessed, but can sometimes find it hard to remember all of them: dailykos.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:59:27pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2018 • 8:59:32pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:03:13pm
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:04:35pm

Anecdotes are not data, and it doesn’t mean a goddamned thing especially in this political shithole that is Texas, but:

I saw my first Ted Cruz 2018 yard sign today. By contrast, I’ve been seeing Beto yard signs and bumper stickers for months. As I notice myself noticing these things, I have tried to be conspicuously aware of the fact that I hate the shit out of Ted Cruz, and I have thus endeavored to keep an honest account of my own observations, in hopes of detecting confirmation bias. I am reasonably sure that my observations match reality. But I could be wrong.

Maybe this is good news, but I must also consider the following:

Maybe being a Ted Cruz supporter is very much like being a shit-porn fetishist. Maybe, like shit porn, Ted Cruz is the horrific, disgusting, stomach-churning depravity you want and yearn for more than anything else, specifically because it’s so unthinkably awful. For obvious reasons, you wouldn’t really want to advertise these thoughts to your neighbors, nor to the pharmacist who fills your prescriptions.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:06:50pm
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:07:33pm

re: #119 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Ted didn’t put up any signs in 2012; his campaign just didn’t feel the need to. I understand he started out that way this time, but I think they’ve put a few out because of all the Beto signs.

In my little part of Texas, I have my sign out. A couple of streets over, one house has a Beto sign, and the house next to it has a Cruz one. Normally, I would wonder which appeared first, but I’m pretty sure Beto’s did.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:07:33pm

re: #118 gocart mozart

I’ve seen that vid tweeted like a dozen times tonight. Never watched it to the end because I had no interest in watching those vile creatures celebrate.
Until now

Serves him right

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:09:14pm

re: #118 gocart mozart

And if you don’t believe that Fox is a propaganda outlet, see how quickly she tries to cover that up.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:10:09pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Guess who.

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prairiefire  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:11:43pm

I’ve got a twitch in my eye that has just given up and is in rigor mortis.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:12:20pm

re: #121 Belafon

Ted didn’t put up any signs in 2012; his campaign just didn’t feel the need to. I understand he started out that way this time, but I think they’ve put a few out because of all the Beto signs.

In my little part of Texas, I have my sign out. A couple of streets over, one house has a Beto sign, and the house next to it has a Cruz one. Normally, I would wonder which appeared first, but I’m pretty sure Beto’s did.

They started with the yard signs last week and barn signs last weekend.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:18:19pm
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:20:04pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:24:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:29:18pm
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retired cynic  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:31:53pm

I just want to touch base. I’m working out of town, but followed what was going on, with gut twisting anger and angst. Probably just as well I was not in a situation where I could let if out.

Thank goodness for LGF!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:34:44pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:35:39pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

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Good news: If we all live that long, by the time this nightmare is over, I will be ready to retire.

Bad news: I probably won’t have any retirement funds left… The GOP will take it all as punishment for my opposition.

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retired cynic  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:36:43pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

God, I hope so! I’m old, and probably won’t live to see decades down the road, and have no children, but I really fear for the future. I hope, hope that this is a lesson that is burned into the national consciousness, but I hoped that when the market crashed in 2008, too.

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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:44:57pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:46:29pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:55:47pm

re: #136 Dave In Austin

Not to make light of an obviously bad situation, but those last two drivers must have had the most EPIC “Oh, SHIT” faces. That last one must have needed his or her brown pants, especially.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 5, 2018 • 9:56:35pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:08:42pm
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wheat-dogg  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:11:47pm

re: #137 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That last one was definitely cutting it close. I heard the tsunami was moving around 500 mph out at sea before it reached the shore. Even as it moved over the land, it was still moving pretty damn fast. Not a good time to stall the engine in your car.

That part of Indonesia is relatively isolated and quite poor. Getting relief supplies and assistance to those people (at least 60,000 homeless the last I heard) is a major problem.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:15:16pm

re: #140 wheat-dogg

I mean, you saw how fast the car tore out of there, and the water was hot on his heels. That wave had to be rolling along that roadway probably in excess of 40 mph. Water moves a lot faster than people think - hence the number of people that get swept away in flash floods here in the US every year.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:18:03pm

re: #140 wheat-dogg

That last one was definitely cutting it close. I heard the tsunami was moving around 500 mph out at sea before it reached the shore. Even as it moved over the land, it was still moving pretty damn fast. Not a good time to stall the engine in your car.

That part of Indonesia is relatively isolated and quite poor. Getting relief supplies and assistance to those people (at least 60,000 homeless the last I heard) is a major problem.

It appears the video is from the Japanese tsunami from 2011.

After today’s crapfest it’s rum-o’clock, but I don’t have any rum. Maybe brain bleach.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:18:52pm
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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:21:00pm

re: #109 gocart mozart

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:21:42pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

It appears the video is from the Japanese tsunami from 2011.

After today’s crapfest it’s rum-o’clock, but I don’t have any rum. Maybe brain bleach.

Still, though:

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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:22:26pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:23:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:24:18pm

Ten Years Hanging With the Best The Internet Has (Unshaken Defiance’s post in the right-hand column)

December 3 will be my third year here. I’d never heard of LGF until I came across the Huffington Post article on Mr. Johnson’s break with the right.

I then came here to check out what all the hullaboo was about. When a subscription window came up, I requested permission to join.

Shortly afterward, I managed to misunderstand or misinterpret something and became a real jerk about it. I’m surprised I wasn’t banhammered right then.

I got better. Thanks for having me along, even when I’m just being silly.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:24:56pm

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wheat-dogg  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:28:06pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

It appears the video is from the Japanese tsunami from 2011.

After today’s crapfest it’s rum-o’clock, but I don’t have any rum. Maybe brain bleach.

That would explain why it was so different looking from the other Indonesia tsunami videos I’ve seen.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:28:53pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:44:28pm

As I read other descriptions of Mr. Johnson here, I frequently came across the term that his is a “rigid empiricist.” The idea that someone would write his posts or assert his positions with evidence (regardless where the chips fell) appealed to me greatly.

I never heard of the letter at all of Mr. Johnson debunked accusing President Bush somehow avoiding military service until I found that article here (nor for that matter, I never heard the claim about President Bush at all).

After I’d read that article and how he discovered the letter was a fake and alerted others, though I am no fan of President Bush, I appreciated the work he put in to show a baseless smear against him. It doesn’t help liberals to lie about conservatives. That thorough debunking was pretty much what convinced me Mr. Johnson was interested in the truth, not ideology.

So now y’all are stuck with me (unless he pitches me off his Website).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:47:08pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

It appears the video is from the Japanese tsunami from 2011.

After today’s crapfest it’s rum-o’clock, but I don’t have any rum. Maybe brain bleach.

I believed it the first time, too, despite the Japanese captions—but them driving on the left side of the road should have been a dead giveaway.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:47:11pm

re: #143 Single-handed sailor

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Brings back memories of Dr. Demento!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:49:26pm

Glad I get a 3 day weekend…and a big Thank You to Charles who keeps the light on and lets me decompress.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:50:24pm

And a nightcap from Rob Rogers!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:50:51pm

re: #155 Joe Bacon 🌹

Glad I get a 3 day weekend…and a big Thank You to Charles who keeps the light on and lets me decompress.

In the meantime, I’m sitting on a Production deployment Webex call that should have ended over an hour ago, but apparently every team in the damn company is deploying something tonight, and so we can’t verify our upgrade because one of the platform services is ALSO deploying right now and is not responding to requests.

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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:52:09pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

The Killian documents put LGF on the map in those days. I was a lurker then, and it was harder to register (registration was rarely open in those days).

Charles got it right. And Dan Rather never talked to Charles, and still denies the documents were fake to this day.

Dan Rather may be this elder journalist wise man these days, but he lost all his credibility (and he knows it) when Charles published the infamous GIF.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:55:22pm

re: #158 teleskiguy

Yup, that’s the one. I’d never seen nor heard about that faked document at all until I read about it here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 5, 2018 • 10:56:32pm

re: #157 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In the meantime, I’m sitting on a Production deployment Webex call that should have ended over an hour ago, but apparently every team in the damn company is deploying something tonight, and so we can’t verify our upgrade because one of the platform services is ALSO deploying right now and is not responding to requests.

And today we FINALLY got Windows 10 working on my laptop so I could telework from home for the first time in over a month!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:01:07pm

Well, today was a complete shitshow. Midweek I thought Mitch didn’t have the votes. Hell, I thoroughly believe midweek Mitch didn’t think he had the votes.

I think tRump’s disgraceful performance in Florida and the bellowing of his paid claque really gave the GOP Senators the courage to go all the way. They don’t realize (well, Mitch probably does) that this is a few hundred hardcore loonies bussed from event to event, supplemented by paid shills recruited off Craigslist at each venue. They think this is The Voice of teh Peepul!!1!! Scary. Hope they find out different in a month.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:12:46pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:31:33pm

re: #84 Belafon

The fact that people went after Rather instead of trying to figure out where they came from.

Like throwing fits over leaked documents and ignoring the hackers who leaked them?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:44:35pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:56:48pm
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CarolJ  Oct 5, 2018 • 11:58:37pm

If you are in these states, you are automatically registered to vote. Check anyway, but at least here you should be.
You may already be registered to vote in these states

I’m sad about the Kavanaugh confirmation. Of course, we fight. I’m just old enough to remember when there were no gay, let alone transgender rights. I was seven when the CRA was first passed, and nine and ten when the Voting Rights Act and the Immigration reform act was passed. Who told you the fight was over? It’s never over unless we say it is.

It’s easy to bash elderly Democratic leadership. They grew up politically in the shadow of the losses by McGovern, Carter, and Dukakis when it seemed the Republicans were this juggernaut that was unstoppable. Even the Clinton wins didn’t really move them out of the crouch. The old Dem politics didn’t work very well and relying on unions no longer worked. It took until 2000 and that fight to even get the DNC out of a rat-infested building, until 2004 to begin progressive media infrastructure of any kind, and Dean to start organizing beyond a few states. Obama taught us how to canvass, how to phonebank, how to organize on our own. The fact that there is even a Resistance with skills is due to him and Dean, people who had never internalized the fear of another “MCGovern” moment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:00:31am

re: #165 Single-handed sailor

LOL, Trump’s tie on that statue almost reaches the ground.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:03:45am

My wife brings homemade pizza. Before you ask, no pineapple (wrong season for pineapple in Nebraska).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:16:21am
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CarolJ  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:27:26am

How to get more of the youth vote: Civics education is one. Another is giving up the lectures on “civic duty” and appealing to their interests like other groups. A third is steady outreach, month in and month out. Don’t just drop in a few weeks before an election and then make the appeals.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:29:51am
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:45:02am

“Looks like I got that Attorney General spot now.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:46:20am

re: #170 CarolJ

How to get more of the youth vote: Civics education is one. Another is giving up the lectures on “civic duty” and appealing to their interests like other groups. A third is steady outreach, month in and month out. Don’t just drop in a few weeks before an election and then make the appeals.

There is a reason conservatives on school boards weakened or eliminated civics courses.

That aside, you cannot make a person accept any duty, civic or otherwise. You can convince them why it is necessary (my argument of jury duty previously), including an appeal to self-interest.

If you don’t exercise your civic duty, be aware others will. What they want may be inimical to everything you believe or stand for.

Republicans are very good at appealing to emotion (transgender men are coming to attack your daughters in BAAAAAATROOOMS).

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wheat-dogg  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:55:46am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

Republicans are very good at appealing to

fear. Mostly fear.

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CarolJ  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:04:58am
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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:11:13am

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:12:35am

re: #175 CarolJ

Several people are noting that several states’ dates are wrong in that post.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:17:23am
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:40:48am
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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:43:08am
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sagehen  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:43:31am

Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un sends simultaneous facsimile to all both “fax” machines in Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, testing nation’s preparedness for war or disaster.

FTFY

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:55:20am
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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 2:14:40am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 3:21:49am

Marcy Wheeler weighs in with the latest info she can glean from the GRU indictments about hacks into the lab studying Novichok, the labs on athlete doping, the chemical weapons organisation hack, comparing them to the DNC hack and some of the people involved in all of those.

emptywheel.net

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 6, 2018 • 4:09:50am

If Erick Erickson knows without doubt that Dems “radicalized” Kavanaugh then he should also know that that is disqualifying.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 4:34:50am

Glad I don’t have cell service here.

As I understand it, my pay-as-you-go flip phone would not have received that message (if I was somewhere there was a cell signal).

About the only reason I can see for a nationwide alert would be for a nuclear attack, so I would know before they sent the message anyway. (All the ICBMs around me.)

As I understand the law for other alerts (such as Amber alerts or weather warnings), they have to be targeted within a certain area of the telephone number. Since mine is from Oklahoma, they would be useless to me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 4:44:55am

re: #185 Barefoot Grin

If Erick Erickson knows without doubt that Dems “radicalized” Kavanaugh then he should also know that that is disqualifying.

He doesn’t care or he doesn’t know Scotus is supposed to be apolitical.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 4:45:35am

I’m up early for canvassing today.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:05:02am
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jeffreyw  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:38:51am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:04:18am

re: #190 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

I would poke the thread, but don’t want to startle that spider…

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dangerman  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:19:50am

re: #178 Dave In Austin

President Trump with toilet paper on his shoe as he boards Air Force One. A perfect metaphor for his Presidency.

the two best comments i read:

- that wasnt TP, it was the constitution
- As usual, toilet paper attached to a piece of shit.

(and look at all the people around him who said nothing)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:24:40am

23 degrees F and freezing fog here at Chez Tumbleweed. Welcome to winter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:26:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:31:49am

apparently Sullivan got his ass handed to him by Soledad O’Brien on Maher’s show last night.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:35:48am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:36:09am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

It looks like Andrew Sullivan is trending so unless he died, let’s just ignore him.

This just needs to be reiterated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:39:19am

LOL…sure it was…

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jeffreyw  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:43:12am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would poke the thread, but don’t want to startle that spider…

Saw him yesterday, I looked twice at the wooly worm because it looked at first as if his head was bare of “wool”, at that second look I made out the spider. A quick Google search for hairy black spider with orange spots on its back led me to believe it probably is a bold jumping spider.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:43:37am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL…sure it was…

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Clown.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:45:24am

And here I was getting ready to send him thoughts and prayers. Maybe next time.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:45:53am

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

23 degrees F and freezing fog here at Chez Tumbleweed. Welcome to winter.

I could use some of that. It’s already 76 with 100% humidity here.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:50:46am

re: #189 Sufficient unto the day…

I hope that history bears out like Rachel is suggesting. It just feels like we’re in an institutionally far worse place now than we were in ‘91, and that’s going to shit on the possible returns that any backlash on the Dem side could garner.

EDIT: Remember, there wasn’t Fox News or the massive right-wing echo chamber to debase the entirety of the rest of political media back in ‘91.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:51:06am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:56:23am

re: #203 Citizen K

For the most part, I agree with you. But…as much as I agree with the sentiment expressed by Kragar here

I don’t WANT to feel that.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:02:24am

We have to get away from the idea that media have to be even handed in their treatment of controversy. “Both-siderism” is unnatural and, in fact, the idea did not exist until the late 19th century, when the great wire services found themselves providing content for newspapers with a huge diversity of opinions and positions. The wire services enforced balance as a necessity of business, and society has accepted it to the point that it has mutated into some kind of ethical standard. News sources do have to be truthful and honest, but “both sides equal” is often the actual enemy of genuine ethical principles and should not be enshrined right alongside them.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:04:07am

re: #205 Sufficient unto the day…

For the most part, I agree with you. But…as much as I agree with the sentiment expressed by Kragar here

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I don’t WANT to feel that.

None of us want to feel that. It fucking sucks. It hurts, it hurts so fucking bad. But that seems to be the reality and ignoring how institutionally fucked we really seem to be isn’t going to help institutionally un-fuck ourselves, if the chance even remotely remains.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:05:06am

re: #204 jaunte

Cold semi-arid for my area. Sounds about right.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:08:55am
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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:16:39am
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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:17:24am

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹

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Sarah Kenzior has been invaluable, and she’s the one making the points that terrify me the most. As she said, this isn’t the behavior of a party worried about actually losing power in any respect at this point, and that’s terrifying.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:17:59am

re: #210 jaunte

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No, but it’s what party men do, and that’s “good” in the eyes of the GOP.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:19:18am

re: #210 jaunte

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:22:11am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:22:36am

Speaking of unbalanced commentary, the stainless heroes of the Cornell Big Red will meet the justly despised Harvard Crimson in a football match this afternoon at Schoelkopf field on the Cornell campus. The latter is a strangely beautiful facility with unique crescent-shaped stands topped by a sinuously curved colonnade and located on just one side of the field. This game is not as big a deal to the national football racket as it would have been 100 years ago, but it is still important to students and alumni. With any luck the loathesome Harvardians can be sent back to their barnyard in a richly deserved state of advanced butthurt.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:24:20am

According to my wife, several of our utility bills went up all at once this month.

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:25:34am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

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apparently Sullivan got his ass handed to him by Soledad O’Brien on Maher’s show last night.

So is Soledad O’Brien trending as well?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:26:06am

re: #215 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Speaking of unbalanced commentary, the stainless heroes of the Cornell Big Red will meet the justly despised Harvard Crimson in a football match this afternoon at Schoelkopf field on the Cornell campus. The latter is a strangely beautiful facility with unique crescent-shaped stands topped by a sinuously curved colonnade and located on just one side of the field. This game is not as big a deal to the national football racket as it would have been 100 years ago, but it is still important to students and alumni. With any luck the loathesome Harvardians can be sent back to their barnyard in a richly deserved state of advanced butthurt.

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Harvard: “May the best team win!”

Cornell: “No, may the better team win….”

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dangerman  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:31:18am

re: #214 jaunte

Let’s be blunt, our political parties are waging a “cold” civil war… And as ⁦@amyewalter⁩ argues so well, each side rationalizes their bad behavior by pointing to the bad behavior of their “opponent”. The incentive structure punishes moderation

- it is one thing to point out the bad behavior of their opponent, as democrats do

- it is quite another to believe with righteous indignation that only their opponent is, and can be capable of acting despicably. As only the republicans do.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:32:27am

re: #214 jaunte

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I’m sick and fucking tired of a media who gobbled Donny’s cock all through ‘16, breathlessly staring at an empty podium while Hillary was muted in a small window at the bottom of the screen, now insisting that we need to get back to “moderation.”

It really does look like the Fourth Estate is not being murdered, but instead undergoing assisted suicide at the hands of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:32:46am

re: #210 jaunte

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He’s a good man said by people who are okay with torture, people who are okay with detaining kids, etc.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:35:15am

re: #219 dangerman

- it is one thing to point out the bad behavior of their opponent, as democrats do

- it is quite another to believe with righteous indignation that only their opponent is, and can be capable of acting despicably. As only the republicans do.

Democrats ran Al Franken out of office because of allegations that largely were uncorroborated or relied upon women coming forward years after the act to make allegations that they could not prove beyond their own word.

Meanwhile, Republicans are prepared to elevate a judge who has faced far worse allegations and had women come forward with corroborating witnesses.

In the eyes of the media, only the Democrats are wrong for “playing politics,” while Republicans were totally right to want a “sexual predator” run out of the Senate.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:35:26am

re: #211 Citizen K

Sarah Kenzior has been invaluable, and she’s the one making the points that terrify me the most. As she said, this isn’t the behavior of a party worried about actually losing power in any respect at this point, and that’s terrifying.

Remember the Repugs’ glee on the eve of Romney’s winning the Presidency in 2012?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:36:30am

Great follow-up thread from Soledad—-

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dangerman  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:37:29am

so yeah kav’s gonna get on the court
and he’ll do the damage he’s always planned to

entitled or not who cares what he thinks

all in all a pyrrhic and stunningly hollow victory
- he’s won by the slimmest and slimiest of margins
- with so many reputable individuals and organizations coming out publicly against him
- for the first time a nominee lobbied for the job. he prostituted himself on national tv and in an op-ed

he’ll get no parade, no fanfare

you say there are no asterisks and all justices are there same?
no. there will be a permanent stigma around him like Pig-pen’s dust cloud

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:37:44am

re: #216 Barefoot Grin

According to my wife, several of our utility bills went up all at once this month.

I saw gas at above $4.00 per gallon the other day.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:39:00am

re: #223 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Remember the Repugs’ glee on the eve of Romney’s winning the Presidency in 2012?

Romney didn’t have an election gifted to him by foreign interference either, nor supermassive institutional dominance behind the Republicans at that point.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:39:08am

re: #224 Barefoot Grin

Great follow-up thread from Soledad—-

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Yeah, no Andy, it was Republicans who rushed to make the investigation about “all white men.” Seriously, who the fuck was it on TV every waking moment, wailing about the “precedent” being set that would prevent people from wanting to “serve their country” and all the white women screaming that their young boys would be dubbed “sexual predators” if they so much as brushed a girl’s skin?

You know when the “white men” business came up, Andy? When the white guy at the center of this LOST HIS FUCKING MIND ON LIVE TV!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:42:43am

re: #227 Citizen K

Romney didn’t have an election gifted to him by foreign interference either, nor supermassive institutional dominance behind the Republicans at that point.

You’re just determined to wallow in misery, aren’t you. Well, carry on…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:43:19am

re: #226 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I saw gas at above $4.00 per gallon the other day.

Still at $2.70 here. Food’s gone up though.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:45:48am

re: #230 Barefoot Grin

Still at $2.70 here. Food’s gone up though.

Here, too. And I’m in one of the highest priced areas in the country, so gas is correspondingly more expensive. Still, $4.00 is a kind of milestone.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:46:33am

I can tell you where the cold war should heat up. Adelanto California at the private detention facility. There are prisoners that lack food and medical care. At some point an intervention/rescue id demanded.

I’d love to roll up there with a few cars with food dentists and doctors, make them refuse us entry, shame the people that come out.latimes.com

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:46:56am

re: #229 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

You’re just determined to wallow in misery, aren’t you. Well, carry on…

When the consistently worst-case scenario keeps coming to bear, optimism is a liability.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:00:22am

re: #233 Citizen K

When the consistently worst-case scenario keeps coming to bear, optimism is a liability.

This isn’t the worst case. Not even close.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:00:38am

re: #196 jaunte

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And maybe make him wear a yellow star at all times in public?

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:01:29am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL…sure it was…

Laura Ingraham ✔
@IngrahamAngle
For all of you concerned viewers, @RaymondArroyo’s fall during our Kavanaugh-Toast selfie was a JOKE…a pratfall after a long week. #Laughter #selfiecide

11:31 PM - Oct 5, 2018

Fake news!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:04:23am
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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:07:10am

re: #202 jaunte

I could use some of that. It’s already 76 with 100% humidity here.

Crazy-ass weather all over.

Yesterday it was 70° in Columbus, down to 49° overnight and now at 11:00 am it is 80° already and heading for a humid 87°. And it will be in the mid to upper 80s the next few days.

It’s October in Ohio…and we are way above the norm in Temps.

If it means a mild winter…I’ll take it. But, I know better than to think that. Weather is day by day anymore.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:17:51am

I saw the comments about Soledad and Andrew above. There is a YouTube of it already. I haven’t watched it yet…just wanted to share. I hope this is the right one…

Overtime: Doris Goodwin, Jeff Bridges, Soledad O’Brien, David Jolly, Andrew Sullivan (HBO)

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:19:36am

re: #239 ObserverArt

I saw the comments about Soledad and Andrew above. There is a YouTube of it already. I haven’t watched it yet…just wanted to share. I hope this is the right one…

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I am sick and fucking tired of Andrew Sullivan.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:20:32am

I get that there are those who want to believe that this is the darkness before the dawn, that we’re on the precipice of a rise back to glory and the opportunity to start turning back Cheetio Benito’s worst impulses.

But I worry that some are setting themselves up for another disappointment, assuming that the current momentum is unstoppable and the “blue wave” will lead to a mandate that the DNC can trade upon going forward. As if Tuesday is Election Day, when in reality we’re 3 weeks away in which virtually anything could happen.

We should always be playing like we’re behind and the clock is ticking, rather than talking about what we plan to do after the game as though we can’t lose. And yes, that means talking about the worst possible scenario and planning for it now, rather than dealing with it as it’s happening.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:21:22am

re: #240 Scottish Dragon

I am sick and fucking tired of Andrew Sullivan.

I’ve been bored of Andrew Sullivan’s antics for years now. Not even going to watch.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:22:38am

DAMN LIBTARDS VIOLATING ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE’S 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ! ! !

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:22:50am

re: #233 Citizen K

When the consistently worst-case scenario keeps coming to bear, optimism is a liability.

Maybe, but hope is what keeps people alive.

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calochortus  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:23:59am

I’m not happy about the likelihood of Kavanaugh being on the Supreme Court. On the other hand, we were going to get a conservative Justice, so perhaps a damaged one might be better than one of the others with a shiny clean bill of health? It is possible that Justice Roberts will move a bit more to the center to protect the Court’s reputation.

Meanwhile, I’ve been interested in the reactions to Murkowski saying she’ll vote “present” so Daines could stay for his daughter’s wedding (they couldn’t just vote on Sunday?)
I thought it was a nice gesture, a few liberals think she’s weaseling out. What surprises me is the fury with which it is being greeted at FR. “It’s a trick!!!” Apparently she needs to be voted out over allowing another senator to attend an important family event (and he should just skip it apparently.) I don’t see how this would enable the rejection of Kavanaugh if she changed from “present” to “no” without a whole lot of other things happening that could happen just as well without that 1/2 of a vote.

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:27:31am

re: #241 Targetpractice

The Democrats here in Rockwall, where the Democratic candidate probably won’t get 30% of the vote, are having a voting day practice run. So, no, they aren’t waiting for the wave. The $2M donated to Susan Collins’ generic opponent is not waiting. The 60 Democratic candidates getting over $1M is not waiting.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:29:54am

re: #220 Targetpractice

I’m sick and fucking tired of a media who gobbled Donny’s cock all through ‘16, breathlessly staring at an empty podium while Hillary was muted in a small window at the bottom of the screen, now insisting that we need to get back to “moderation.”

It really does look like the Fourth Estate is not being murdered, but instead undergoing assisted suicide at the hands of Trump.

I still think the big media is driven by dollar bills and they go for the easiest way to get them. That seems to be by not choosing a side and hyping the conflict between them.

Trump was way more controversial than Clinton. Even everyone saying they were covering him too much was probably seen by media as a good thing. In a way I think they see a ton of negative comments about Trump as fertile ground to be mined. If millions are complaining well then they much be watching.

I think the last two weeks were a great example. Democrats created a fairly big stir over Kavanaugh so we got to see and hear a lot about the Democrats.

Now that Kavanaugh is elected, we are back seeing the Republicans again. They are the winners and they pissed off the Democrats. Controversy.

In other words, things are all out of whack, but that is what the media apparently wants to focus on.

Dollar making doesn’t appear to be about being right or doing the right thing for the big media. That probably doesn’t get the eyes they need.

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William Lewis  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:30:23am

re: #226 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I saw gas at above $4.00 per gallon the other day.

I put my last couple of dollars till payday into the gas tank this morning. $6.10 = 2.000 gal. Putin has to be happy with his puppet’s performance.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:33:10am

re: #246 Belafon

The Democrats here in Rockwall, where the Democratic candidate probably won’t get 30% of the vote, are having a voting day practice run. So, no, they aren’t waiting for the wave. The $2M donated to Susan Collins’ generic opponent is not waiting. The 60 Democratic candidates getting over $1M is not waiting.

And that’s what I want to hear more of. Not “Oh, we’re going to impeach Kavanaugh,” but “Let’s keep this momentum going.” Promises of Donny’s tax returns and investigating everything under the Sun are grand after we’ve won.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:37:23am

re: #220 Targetpractice

I’m sick and fucking tired of a media who gobbled Donny’s cock all through ‘16, breathlessly staring at an empty podium while Hillary was muted in a small window at the bottom of the screen, now insisting that we need to get back to “moderation.”

It really does look like the Fourth Estate is not being murdered, but instead undergoing assisted suicide at the hands of Trump.

Les Moonves: I don’t know if Trump is good for America, but he’s sure good for CBS.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:38:07am

re: #247 ObserverArt

I still think the big media is driven by dollar bills and they go for the easiest way to get them. That seems to be by not choosing a side and hyping the conflict between them.

Trump was way more controversial than Clinton. Even everyone saying they were covering him too much was probably seen by media as a good thing. In a way I think they see a ton of negative comments about Trump as fertile ground to be mined. If millions are complaining well then they much be watching.

I think the last two weeks were a great example. Democrats created a fairly big stir over Kavanaugh so we got to see and hear a lot about the Democrats.

Now that Kavanaugh is elected, we are back seeing the Republicans again. They are the winners and they pissed off the Democrats. Controversy.

In other words, things are all out of whack, but that is what the media apparently wants to focus on.

Dollar making doesn’t appear to be about being right or doing the right thing for the big media. That probably doesn’t get the eyes they need.

But that’s the thing: they do consistently choose sides. They continue to keep doing so, they continue to give GOP far more facetime and ink, and continually give them the benefit of the doubt, time and time again, and when they do report on their misdeeds, they memoryhole them a week after if not days after. Dems almost never get space except to slam them for what liars they have to be and how much Real America hates them, and any misdeeds reported dog those Dems even months beyond when they bow out of politics because of course Dems would be the only ones to pay a political price for ever screwing up, ever.

It’s gone beyond simple dollars at this point: they continue to privilege conservatives and Republicans because they’ve internalized the ‘liberal media’ bullshit and feel they must do extra hippie-punching to make up for their original sins.

Even focus on Dems during Kavanaugh was almost wholly negative and treating Dems with disdain and suspicion for daring to question a nominee like it was the first time a SC nom was politicized ever.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:41:57am

re: #226 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I saw gas at above $4.00 per gallon the other day.

Just saw this morning on the Weather channel that national average price for gas should get to $3.00 per gallon shortly, for the first time in almost five years

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:42:56am

re: #233 Citizen K

When the consistently worst-case scenario keeps coming to bear, optimism is a liability.

Optimism is a liability?

Reality is always needed of course, but to kill optimism means you have already given up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:46:26am

re: #226 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I saw gas at above $4.00 per gallon the other day.

I’ve had people around me assert that sharply rising prices around us simply aren’t happening, even while complaining about filling the tank of a Ford F-250 next to my Smart.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:47:40am

re: #245 calochortus

I’m not happy about the likelihood of Kavanaugh being on the Supreme Court. On the other hand, we were going to get a conservative Justice, so perhaps a damaged one might be better than one of the others with a shiny clean bill of health? It is possible that Justice Roberts will move a bit more to the center to protect the Court’s reputation.

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This is what I have been thinking if Brett Beerman got in. This court has Roberts name all over it and I think he is smart enough to know history likes to refer to past courts by the Chief Justices name. He has his legacy to consider in all this.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:47:53am

re: #241 Targetpractice

I get that there are those who want to believe that this is the darkness before the dawn, that we’re on the precipice of a rise back to glory and the opportunity to start turning back Cheetio Benito’s worst impulses.

But I worry that some are setting themselves up for another disappointment, assuming that the current momentum is unstoppable and the “blue wave” will lead to a mandate that the DNC can trade upon going forward. As if Tuesday is Election Day, when in reality we’re 3 weeks away in which virtually anything could happen.

We should always be playing like we’re behind and the clock is ticking, rather than talking about what we plan to do after the game as though we can’t lose. And yes, that means talking about the worst possible scenario and planning for it now, rather than dealing with it as it’s happening.

I think you are mixing up people being hopeful and working for a blue wave for being arrogant and cocky that that wave is going to happen.

That is you taking you usual view and coloring everyone else with it.

Most of the members here are hopeful…I don’t see many ever saying we have this election in the bag.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:49:19am

re: #253 ObserverArt

Optimism is a liability?

Reality is always needed of course, but to kill optimism means you have already given up.

Perhaps we might consider meeting in the middle on realism, as in talking about what we can achieve rather while acknowledging the limits inherent in the system. We’re not impeaching anyone, we’re not going to get any major legislation passed, and we’re going to face a whole lot of resistance to any investigations that are run. If Trump gets another spot on the SCOTUS bench, we’re even less likely now to stop him from filling it. And between now and 2020, every move we make is going to draw criticism from the media who are invested in Donny getting another term.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:50:07am

re: #240 Scottish Dragon

I am sick and fucking tired of Andrew Sullivan.

I only heard of him after I became a visitor here. I had no idea he was such an important blogger that he was hired by a magazine.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:55:30am

re: #245 calochortus

I’m not happy about the likelihood of Kavanaugh being on the Supreme Court. On the other hand, we were going to get a conservative Justice, so perhaps a damaged one might be better than one of the others with a shiny clean bill of health? It is possible that Justice Roberts will move a bit more to the center to protect the Court’s reputation.

Meanwhile, I’ve been interested in the reactions to Murkowski saying she’ll vote “present” so Daines could stay for his daughter’s wedding (they couldn’t just vote on Sunday?)
I thought it was a nice gesture, a few liberals think she’s weaseling out. What surprises me is the fury with which it is being greeted at FR. “It’s a trick!!!” Apparently she needs to be voted out over allowing another senator to attend an important family event (and he should just skip it apparently.) I don’t see how this would enable the rejection of Kavanaugh if she changed from “present” to “no” without a whole lot of other things happening that could happen just as well without that 1/2 of a vote.

She is weaseling out. Whether Daines is there or not should not affect her personal view on Kavanaugh. The “present” vote is to not throw the vote against Republicans by voting “no.” It is not a position of courage, it is a position to try and still claim moral high ground (I didn’t vote yes).

Geez, even in my little village board, where I know every single person in town and taking a stand could have me ousted in November because every last person knows how I vote, I have never abstained on any vote except one where the village board is paying me for expenses I incurred.

As an uber-liberal in a very conservative town, I have a lot more courage to vote “no” than she does. She is trying to preserve that Native Alaskan support without taking a stand at all.

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sagehen  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:01:46am

re: #251 Citizen K

It’s gone beyond simple dollars at this point: they continue to privilege conservatives and Republicans because they’ve internalized the ‘liberal media’ bullshit and feel they must do extra hippie-punching to make up for their original sins.

I don’t think that’s why.

I think it’s because the head of the news division, the network president, and the board of whatever larger company sees the channel as a minor property within their larger corporate structure, are super-conservative tax-cuts-uber-alles wingers.

The on-air staff and show producers and everybody else, no matter how liberal they may be as individuals, will lose their jobs if they put on a show that reflects their own actual views.

CNN has to answer to Time-Warner, who needs the FCC and FTC to be on their side for cable and internet regulation. CBS answers to Sumner Redstone, a wall street mega financier. NBC is owned by Comcast (cable) and GE (military contracts). ABC is part of Disney, whose foreign distribution (and IP protection) depends on the same foreign policy that protects Exxon and Apple.

The news division isn’t a big revenue source; their job is to not cause problems for the parent company.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:02:12am

re: #238 ObserverArt

Crazy-ass weather all over.

Yesterday it was 70° in Columbus, down to 49° overnight and now at 11:00 am it is 80° already and heading for a humid 87°. And it will be in the mid to upper 80s the next few days.

It’s October in Ohio…and we are way above the norm in Temps.

If it means a mild winter…I’ll take it. But, I know better than to think that. Weather is day by day anymore.

Back for a water break from mowing my poison ivy gully; Temps now up to 86.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:04:27am

re: #261 jaunte

Back for a water break from mowing my poison ivy gully; Temps now up to 86.

We’re up to 37F now.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:06:11am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:07:42am

A tropical disturbance in the Gulf of Honduras looks like it will be threatening the US Gulf Coast as a tropical cyclone in five days or so.

nhc.noaa.gov

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:13:04am

re: #263 jaunte

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Note to Kavanaugh, that’s how a judge acts like.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:37:42am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:41:27am

re: #266 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That depends, Bill. If Soros was credibly accused with evidence, I’d actually be pretty damn okay with it. Like, you know, your fucking President. Or the Supreme Court nominee he literally only picked just to prove his dominance over the rest of the country.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:43:52am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:44:58am

re: #266 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Maybe you need an actual crime rather than he finds causes I dislike you authoritarian wet dreamer.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:46:02am

Canvassing went pretty well. Wexton was there again but Ray Mabus former Mississippi governor and Sec of Navy introduced her.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:47:29am

re: #266 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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“Due process! Due process! Due…hey, that guy didn’t harumph! LOCK HIM UP!!!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:02:36am

“Hey, I got a completely novel idea! Let’s spin a completely bullshit conspiracy theory, blame it on a rich Jew, and use that to toss him in prison and seize his wealth!”

“I like it! Nobody’s ever thought of THAT before! Hey, while we’re at it, maybe has some gold teeth we can pull!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:07:44am

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m wondering whether, if they do that, will we conclude it’s time for violence? Or will it be too late then?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:19:43am

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m wondering whether, if they do that, will we conclude it’s time for violence? Or will it be too late then?

Bill Mitchell is spinning agitprop. He would never do such a thing himself.

What propagandists like him and others are trying to do is the same sort of thing O’Reilly did to Dr. Tiller, constantly spinning up wingnuts with his “baby-killer” nonsense, until one went over the edge and shot him in his church.

Bill is too much of a coward to stand up for his convictions.

And all the derp on that thread: “Snopes is not credible.” Posts of the George Soros 60 Minutes edited to make him appear as if he called for the overthrow of the country. How dare an immigrant meddle in US politics. Posting the photo of an actual Nazi war criminal convicted of crimes against humanity. Claiming Soros (a Hungarian Jew) would somehow be acceptable as an SS officer at age 14.

Facts really do have a liberal bias, especially when you reject them, which is why I compare conservatism to a religion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:25:42am

Just so there’s no question of this coming from Raw Story, or a hacked or parody account. Look what Rudy Giuliani, the President’s lawyer, retweeted.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:30:08am

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

Guys like Mitchell and the rest of these assholes don’t scare me because they are too soft and chicken shit to do anything beyond whine about being oppressed by demon rats. I’m scared of the rotten shit meals they serve up to their fan bases. This way they can kill and harm without getting their shit stained hands dirty. By proxy, stochastic terrorism.

Wonder what these “men” would do if confronted by a group of angry women with concealed carry permits and the accessories that go with said permits? Hmmm…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:35:18am

One thing you’ll hear from the Right, if you talk about the majority of Americans wanting to do something about guns is, “Rights should not be subject to majority vote!”

Another thing you’ll hear from the Right is that rights like marriage equality should not be recognized via SCOTUS rulings, but rather wait for legislation to grant them.

Funny about that.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:37:47am

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

Bill Mitchell is spinning agitprop. He would never do such a thing himself.

What propagandists like him and others are trying to do is the same sort of thing O’Reilly did to Dr. Tiller, constantly spinning up wingnuts with his “baby-killer” nonsense, until one went over the edge and shot him in his church.

Bill is too much of a coward to stand up for his convictions.

And all the derp on that thread: “Snopes is not credible.” Posts of the George Soros 60 Minutes edited to make him appear as if he called for the overthrow of the country. How dare an immigrant meddle in US politics. Posting the photo of an actual Nazi war criminal convicted of crimes against humanity. Claiming Soros (a Hungarian Jew) would somehow be acceptable as an SS officer at age 14.

Facts really do have a liberal bias, especially when you reject them, which is why I compare conservatism to a religion.

Bill would mess up that carefully crafted head of hair if he actually got involved in a clash.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:39:03am

Terrible hypocrisy

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William Lewis  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:39:18am

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m wondering whether, if they do that, will we conclude it’s time for violence? Or will it be too late then?

It is never too late, as such. However, once past the point where violence becomes an appropriate response, the longer you wait to start, the greater the amount of violence needed to succeed.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:41:28am

re: #280 William Lewis

It is never too late, as such. However, once past the point where violence becomes an appropriate response, the longer you wait to start, the greater the amount of violence needed to succeed.

Maxim 6: “If violence isn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:49:49am

re: #279 Unshaken Defiance

Terrible hypocrisy

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Not only that, the men who are today voting to put an alleged sexual predator on the SCOTUS bench didn’t wish to wait for an investigation, they wanted Franken to resign immediately. The ones screaming “DUE PROCESS!!!!” thought that Franken was guilty as charged and needed to do the “decent thing” of vacating his seat.

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:52:10am

re: #233 Citizen K

When the consistently worst-case scenario keeps coming to bear, optimism is a liability.

Don’t confuse optimism with hope. You need to be optimistic that you can change things otherwise there is no reason to even try.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:58:19am

My prediction. Bart O’Kavanaugh’s first decision will site:

Dred Scott, Plessey v. Ferguson, Lochner v. New York, Bush v. Gore, DC v. Heller, Citizens United v. FEC, Burwell v. Hobby Lobby

Just to own the libs.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:01:23am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:01:54am

re: #284 Teddy’s Person

My prediction. Bart O’Kavanaugh’s first decision will site:

Dred Scott, Plessey v. Ferguson, Lochner v. New York, Bush v. Gore, DC v. Heller, Citizens United v. FEC, Burwell v. Hobby Lobby

Just to own the libs.

You failed to cite Buck v Bell.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:03:06am

re: #285 Charles Johnson

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Half the fuckers wouldn’t be able to identify George Soros in a line-up, and the other half couldn’t tell you who he is aside from “He gives money to libruls!”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:05:19am

re: #277 Blind Frog Belly White

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One thing you’ll hear from the Right, if you talk about the majority of Americans wanting to do something about guns is, “Rights should not be subject to majority vote!”

Another thing you’ll hear from the Right is that rights like marriage equality should not be recognized via SCOTUS rulings, but rather wait for legislation to grant them.

Funny about that.

He is another neverTrump squish.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:05:26am

They won’t figure it out until their own relatives can’t get insurance.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:05:48am
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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:06:12am

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

You failed to cite Buck v Bell.

Shamefully, I’ve either not heard of Bell or have forgotten. On the plus side, I now have a new court case to teach in my US history course, and we’re just coming up on the 1920s this week.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:07:31am

And after all the astroturf that was the “Tea Party,” any wingnut telling me about “paid protestors” can fuck the right fuck off.

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makeitstop  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:08:11am

I realize today might not be the perfect day for patriotic songs, but I found this clip last night.

I’ve seen guitarists play this along with a band (Chet Atkins did), but I’ve never seen anyone attempt all that orchestration on a single guitar. Insane.

Guy Van Duser “The Stars and Stripes Forever”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:09:33am

re: #291 Teddy’s Person

Shamefully, I’ve either not heard of Bell or have forgotten. On the plus side, I now have a new court case to teach in my US history course, and we’re just coming up on the 1920s this week.

How are your classes doing? I was really looking forward to the weekend this time. I was showing a film in class each period and finally let the kids have the last 15 minutes to screw around yesterday. Everybody was edgy and wanted out, lol

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MsJ  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:11:44am

In case anyone would like an update on that little boy and the family I’ve been trying to help.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:12:54am

re: #289 jaunte

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They won’t figure it out until their own relatives can’t get insurance.

Nope. When that happens they will blame Obama.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:13:33am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:13:54am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:14:53am

re: #297 Charles Johnson

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Charles, I deal with them every work day on the phones.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:15:02am

re: #291 Teddy’s Person

Shamefully, I’ve either not heard of Bell or have forgotten. On the plus side, I now have a new court case to teach in my US history course, and we’re just coming up on the 1920s this week.

The case permitted eugenic sterilisation to prohibit criminality, immorality, poverty, and feeblemindedness (epilepsy).

The African-American woman in question (Buck) became pregnant at a very young age. She was put in a Virginia home for the feebleminded, claiming she was incorrigibly immoral. Bell was the prosecutor who took the case to the Supreme Court on behalf of Virginia, arguing “three generations of imbeciles is enough.” The case was decided 8-1 in the majority, with Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes writing the majority decision.

It was later discovered the defence attorney had connections with the feebleminded home in Virginia and threw the case (making the prosecution’s arguments), and that Buck had actually been on her school’s honour roll.

The most egregious part of the case was that her family had gone on vacation, leaving Buck in the hands of relatives who raped her (thus the pregnancy). They were ashamed so they had her institutionalised to prevent discovery of the rape by a relative.

Three generations of women in the family were then ordered sterilised.

Buck v Bell was used to justify laws across the country for sterilisations against people’s will, usually the poor, minorities, mentally ill, and epileptics.

The case has not been overturned.

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BigPapa  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:16:05am

re: #292 Targetpractice

And after all the astroturf that was the “Tea Party,” any wingnut telling me about “paid protestors” can fuck the right fuck off.

They’ve destroyed hypocrisy by doing it so much it doesn’t register.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:16:25am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:18:14am

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

This was still being done here in NC up into the 1970s.

Debra Blackmon was about to turn 14 in January 1972, when two social workers came to her home.

Court and medical documents offer some details about what happened that day. Blackmon was “severely retarded,” they note, and had “psychic problems” that made her difficult to manage during menstruation.

Her parents were counseled during the visit, and it was deemed in Blackmon’s best interest that she be sterilized.

Blackmon is among the more than 7,000 people in North Carolina — many poor, many African-American, many disabled — who were sterilized between 1929 and 1976 in one of the country’s most aggressive eugenics programs.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:18:24am

At the Senate:

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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:19:57am

re: #294 Scottish Dragon

How are your classes doing? I was really looking forward to the weekend this time. I was showing a film in class each period and finally let the kids have the last 15 minutes to screw around yesterday. Everybody was edgy and wanted out, lol

I teach at basically a community college in the Seattle area (although they’ve dropped “community” from their name). We’re on the quarter system and last week was week three. In addition, I’ve been out a couple of days with the plague. My classes are mostly populated with high school juniors and seniors participating in Washington state’s Running Start Program. That said, I’ve not noticed much edginess, and I’ve not specifically talked to them about Kavanaugh. I’m only an adjunct and try to be more convert with my politics so that some conservative student doesn’t complain, and the college stops giving me classes. It’s not that the students can’t figure out that I’m liberal based on the material I choose to teach. My 20th century course is basically a course on the civil rights movement starting in the late 19th century.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:22:19am

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

The case permitted eugenic sterilisation to prohibit criminality, immorality, poverty, and feeblemindedness (epilepsy).

The African-American woman in question (Buck) became pregnant at a very young age. She was put in a Virginia home for the feebleminded, claiming she was incorrigibly immoral. Bell was the prosecutor who took the case to the Supreme Court on behalf of Virginia, arguing “three generations of imbeciles is enough.” The case was decided 8-1 in the majority, with Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes writing the majority decision.

It was later discovered the defence attorney had connections with the feebleminded home in Virginia and threw the case (making the prosecutions arguments), and that Buck had actually been on her school’s honour roll.

The most egregious part of the case was that her family had gone on vacation, leaving Buck in the hands of relatives who raped her (thus the pregnancy). They were ashamed so they had her institutionalised to prevent discovery of the rape by a relative.

Three generations of women in the family were then ordered sterilised.

Buck v Bell was used to justify laws across the country for sterilisations against people’s will, usually the poor, minorities, mentally ill, and epileptics.

The case has not been overturned.

Thanks! I’ve got some material on eugenics and this will fit right in.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:23:12am

re: #305 Teddy’s Person

I teach at basically a community college in the Seattle area (although they’ve dropped “community” from their name). We’re on the quarter system and last week was week three. In addition, I’ve been out a couple of days with the plague. My classes are mostly populated with high school juniors and seniors participating in Washington state’s Running Start Program. That said, I’ve not noticed much edginess, and I’ve not specifically talked to them about Kavanaugh. I’m only an adjunct and try to be more convert with my politics so that some conservative students doesn’t complain, and the college stops giving me classes. It’s not that the students can’t figure out that I’m liberal based on the material I choose to teach. My 20th century course is basically a course on the civil rights movement starting in the late 19th century.

I teach high school, so my students often don’t have quite as motivation when I want to talk about the agrarian/urban divide in the late 19th century or some such.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:25:30am

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

According to Wikipedia, the last time Buck v Bell was cited in a case was in 2001. The Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals noted that abuse of women forcibly submitted for sterilisation could be abused if the procedures outlined in Buck v Bell were not followed.

In Roe v Wade the case was cited by Justice Blackmum to argue a right to abortion is not unlimited.

In 1996 the case was cited claims of violations of the Eighth Amendment are made to argue as a last resort (the Eighth Amendment claim was brought up in Buck v Bell).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:27:35am

re: #303 Scottish Dragon

This was still being done here in NC up into the 1970s.

California did the most enforced sterilisations, mostly against Hispanics.

theconversation.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:29:17am

re: #306 Teddy’s Person

Thanks! I’ve got some material on eugenics and this will fit right in.

Note the case still stands. If you do Nazi eugenics coming back, well, that case is still there to support it.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:29:36am

re: #307 Scottish Dragon

I teach high school, so my students often don’t have quite as motivation when I want to talk about the agrarian/urban divide in the late 19th century or some such.

Last winter quarter, my students were engaged with the Parkland shotting and most of my class participation in the walk out that was planned on campus during one of my classes. They wanted me to go with them, but I told them I only would if everyone walked out. A few students stayed to work on the assignment I gave them so student’s wouldn’t miss anything if they walked out of class. So, I didn’t walk out with them. I should have, but I am concerned about my postition of “authority” (such as it is) over them and appearances of fairness, even if many of our elected officials could give two shits.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:30:09am

Instagram

Going, going, gone…

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Teukka  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:30:12am

re: #309 Anymouse 🌹

California did the most enforced sterilisations, mostly against Hispanics.

theconversation.com

And that’s just forced sterliziation. Then we have clitoridectomy, which was a valid procedure until the 1950’s… In the West…

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:30:37am

re: #311 Teddy’s Person

Last winter quarter, my students were engaged with the Parkland shotting and most of my class participation in the walk out that was planned on campus during one of my classes. They wanted me to go with them, but I told them I only would if everyone walked out. A few students stayed to work on the assignment I gave them so student’s wouldn’t miss anything if they walked out of class. So, I didn’t walk out with them. I should have, but I am concerned about my postition of “authority” (such as it is) over them and appearances of fairness, even if many of our elected officials could give two shits.

I hear ya.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:30:39am
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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:31:20am

re: #310 Anymouse 🌹

Note the case still stands. If you do Nazi eugenics coming back, well, that case is still there to support it.

Thanks again for all the great info you’re providing in this thread.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:32:55am

re: #224 Barefoot Grin

Great follow-up thread from Soledad—-

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I watched it live. At one time I liked Andrew, after he realized the disaster that Bush was as President, but it is so clear that he is a misogynist and totally contemptuous of women (and don’t get me started on his racism — his support for Obama, not withstanding). He doesn’t believe women, and clearly doesn’t care about how men treat them.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:33:26am

re: #312 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I think both the bidder and Sothbys have cause for legal action on that one. Not cool.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:33:27am
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makeitstop  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:33:46am

re: #312 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Brilliant.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:34:47am

Heh.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:34:50am

re: #317 Hecuba’s daughter

I watched it live. At one time I liked Andrew, after he realized the disaster that Bush was as President, but it is so clear that he is a misogynist and totally contemptuous of women (and don’t get me started on his racism — his support for Obama, not withstanding). He doesn’t believe women, and clearly doesn’t care about how men treat them.

I followed that arc. I read him fairly regularly, then he disappeared for awhile, and then when he came back it was as if he had just read The Bell Curve like a college freshman reads Atlas Shrugged. I hadn’t really seen or heard from him in years until recently.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:35:33am

re: #317 Hecuba’s daughter

I watched it live. At one time I liked Andrew, after he realized the disaster that Bush was as President, but it is so clear that he is a misogynist and totally contemptuous of women (and don’t get me started on his racism — his support for Obama, not withstanding). He doesn’t believe women, and clearly doesn’t care about how men treat them.

I watched it also and I wanted to start throwing stuff at the TV when he shouted over Soledad and demanded she be quiet. Utter distillation of white whine.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:36:24am

re: #316 Teddy’s Person

Thanks again for all the great info you’re providing in this thread.

Well, having epilepsy myself, though I don’t see myself having any more children (I have one son), that case could still be used against both me and my son. Therefore I have somewhat of a personal stake here.

While eugenics was often promoted as “race betterment” or “social hygiene” in the past and today is generally discredited, it could still be brought back under the rubric of Buck v Bell if a state (or the federal government) so desired.

Canada doesn’t get off the hook here either: so-called “social hygiene” was also practiced in Alberta and British Columbia.

en.wikipedia.org

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:37:54am

re: #319 jaunte

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According to the GOP’s talking points, Dr. Ford was somehow “betrayed” by the DNC (who they continue to insist leaked her letter to the press) and that, if she or Feinstein had just come to them with her allegations, they would have handled this all behind closed doors where her identity would have been protected and the whole matter settled without the public knowing about it.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:39:05am

re: #325 Targetpractice

So they could have ignored her quietly, instead of ignoring her loudly.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:39:21am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:39:34am

Finally, the United Nations classifies forcible sterilisation when carried out against a group of people as genocide. (That would be another reason Mr. Trump and conservatives in general have long argued for leaving the UN.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:40:08am

I couldn’t type there for a bit. Dory was asleep, snuggled into the crook of my left arm, with her head buried in the bend of my elbow, breathing soft puppy breaths on the underside of my arm…..

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:40:30am

re: #326 jaunte

So they could have ignored her quietly, instead of ignoring her loudly.

Pretty much. They would have “investigated” the matter, found no “corroborating evidence,” and could have called her a liar to her face without worry that the public would find out about any of it.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:41:50am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:42:45am

re: #330 Targetpractice

Pretty much. They would have “investigated” the matter, found no “corroborating evidence,” and could have called her a liar to her face without worry that the public would find out about any of it.

Let’s see how many women and men who have been sexually assaulted but never came forward, come forward to the ballot box. I imagine there are many millions of people who are livid with the GOP but aren’t saying anything. They will quietly speak with a pencil on a ballot I hope.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:45:28am
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dangerman  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:46:58am

re: #245 calochortus

I’m not happy about the likelihood of Kavanaugh being on the Supreme Court. On the other hand, we were going to get a conservative Justice, so perhaps a damaged one might be better than one of the others with a shiny clean bill of health? It is possible that Justice Roberts will move a bit more to the center to protect the Court’s reputation.

Meanwhile, I’ve been interested in the reactions to Murkowski saying she’ll vote “present” so Daines could stay for his daughter’s wedding (they couldn’t just vote on Sunday?)
I thought it was a nice gesture, a few liberals think she’s weaseling out. What surprises me is the fury with which it is being greeted at FR. “It’s a trick!!!” Apparently she needs to be voted out over allowing another senator to attend an important family event (and he should just skip it apparently.) I don’t see how this would enable the rejection of Kavanaugh if she changed from “present” to “no” without a whole lot of other things happening that could happen just as well without that 1/2 of a vote.

If you mean no vote no
If you mean yes vote Yes

The scheduling of the vote is arbitrary
The wedding is a meaningless distraction

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:47:35am

re: #329 Blind Frog Belly White

I couldn’t type there for a bit. Dory was asleep, snuggled into the crook of my left arm, with her head buried in the bend of my elbow, breathing soft puppy breaths on the underside of my arm…..

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Aww.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:49:23am

re: #329 Blind Frog Belly White

I couldn’t type there for a bit. Dory was asleep, snuggled into the crook of my left arm, with her head buried in the bend of my elbow, breathing soft puppy breaths on the underside of my arm…..

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If you were one of my students, I’d totally accept this as a valid reason for not completing today’s assignment.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:49:28am

McConnell is one of the truly great villains of American legislative history, and I think you have to go back to the Calhoun era to find someone who did this kind of damage. Of course, note how he uses “mob” to describe sexual assault survivors. This is something Rod Dreher and other conservatives use with regularity to denigrate and impugn any liberal gathering or movement.

#BLM is a mob. #metoo is a mob. Telling Lindsey Graham you were attacked means you are part of a mob.

This is a tool of white male power. If you are not working with them, you are part of a mob led by Robespierre, St Just, Danton and Desmoulins.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:49:32am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:49:35am

Look at some of the articles Google was promoting alongside a Kavanaugh confirmation update this morning:

I read the last one, it’s a real howler. The writer said a majority of those on the Left hate Trump as a person but like his policies.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:50:42am

ORCHESTRATED!!! RESEARCH PAL!

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:53:46am

re: #338 jaunte

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It’s a page from the authoritarian handbook: “Our supporters are genuine and their anger is genuine. Any who oppose us are being paid by a small cabal of persons bent on destroying us and all we’ve wrought. Thus they deserve anything that happens to them, while so much as laying a hand on ours amounts to treason against the state.”

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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:54:01am

re: #337 Scottish Dragon

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McConnell is one of the truly great villains of American legislative history, and I think you have to go back to the Calhoun era to find someone who did this kind of damage. Of course, note how he uses “mob” to describe sexual assault survivors. This is something Rod Dreher and other conservatives use with regularity to denigrate and impugn any liberal gathering or movement.

#BLM is a mob. #metoo is a mob. Telling Lindsey Graham you were attacked means you are part of a mob.

This is a tool of white male power. If you are not working with them, you are part of a mob led by Robespierre, St Just, Danton and Desmoullins.

Apparently, great history teachers think alike. Just this morning I was mentally composing a list of Senators as corrupt and power-mad as we have today, and Calhoun’s name was the first one to spring to mind. The Senate has bascically enacted the Gag Rule 2.0.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:54:49am

re: #338 jaunte

The Democrats have such a great conspiracy going, regardless of whether the International Jew Soros or some other liberal boogeyman is paying people by the tens of thousands (millions in the Women’s and Science Marches), that every last one of us remains silent about the alleged conspiracy to pay people to protest.

If even one such person went on FOX and presented evidence (like a letter with a cheque), the entire conservative media complex would be 24/7 nonstop displaying the hypocrisy of liberals.

The fact we can organise such a conspiracy literally involving millions of people and keep every last one quiet, while simultaneously being “disorganised” never seems to cross the minds of the mainstream media.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:55:08am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:55:10am

God bless this kid.

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BigPapa  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:55:44am

re: #340 jaunte

ORCHESTRATED!!! RESEARCH PAL!

Phase Alternating Line (PAL) is a color encoding system for analogue television used in broadcast television systems in most countries broadcasting at 625-line / 50 field (25 frame) per second (576i). Other common colour encoding systems are NTSC and SECAM.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:56:44am

re: #345 Scottish Dragon

God bless this kid.

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I saw that tweet yesterday, and that photo gave me all the feels.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:58:45am

re: #343 Anymouse 🌹

The Democrats have such a great conspiracy going, regardless of whether the International Jew Soros or some other liberal boogeyman is paying people by the tens of thousands (millions in the Women’s and Science Marches), that every last one of us remains silent about the alleged conspiracy to pay people to protest.

If even one such person went on FOX and presented evidence (like a letter with a cheque), the entire conservative media complex would be 24/7 nonstop displaying the hypocrisy of liberals.

The fact we can organise such a conspiracy literally involving millions of people and keep every last one quiet, while simultaneously being “disorganised” never seems to cross the minds of the mainstream media.

Ayep. They continue to insist that any who protest against them or their policies are paid to do so, yet they can never show the receipts. They’ve tried in the past to show that protests are “paid” by putting out false advertisements for such, but never found any willing to bite. And their efforts to portray things like organizational support or transportation as such always falls flat, particularly when people point out that far-right groups do the exact same thing for their own protestors.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:58:54am

re: #346 BigPapa

Phase Alternating Line (PAL) is a color encoding system for analogue television used in broadcast television systems in most countries broadcasting at 625-line / 50 field (25 frame) per second (576i). Other common colour encoding systems are NTSC and SECAM.

Two of those are acronyms describing the technology, the third refers to the name of the committee that adopted the standard. I’ve always wondered if that demonstrated a psychological difference in the people who named the systems.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:59:27am

Senator John Cornyn: Crisis Actor.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:00:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:03:37pm

re: #345 Scottish Dragon

God bless this kid.

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I suppose they’re being paid, too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:04:22pm

re: #351 Dave In Austin

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Yes. It’s him or a Republican.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:05:26pm

re: #353 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes. It’s him or a Republican.

I figure I’d rather have the Republican at this point. At least then we might have been spared days of “Will he or won’t he?” speculation ending with him (again) voting to screw over his own party for personal gain.

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Interesting Times  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:06:07pm

re: #351 Dave In Austin

His defenders say there’s no way you could get a better Democrat from WV, and that Manchin could make the difference between Malignant Turtle McConnell continuing to be majority leader. HOWEVER, if Manchin was the one who held the balance of power, I can’t help but wonder if he would cross the aisle and switch like so many other Southern Dems did before…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:06:50pm

re: #319 jaunte

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Cornholio saw nothing wrong when his teabagger stooges mobbed Congressmen during the ACA debate!

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KGxvi  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:06:56pm

re: #351 Dave In Austin

I guess the question is this: is there a better Democrat that could win in West Virginia? If the answer is “no”, then supporting Manchin makes sense from this perspective: the most important thing is taking the role of Senate Majority Leader away from Mitch McConnell. So, if Manchin gets us to 51 Democrats, then yeah, support him. And as it stands right now, he’s going to be important to getting us to 51 Democrats.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:07:02pm

re: #354 Targetpractice

I figure I’d rather have the Republican at this point. At least then we might have been spared days of “Will he or won’t he?” speculation ending with him (again) voting to screw over his own party for personal gain.

I’d rather have an unreliable Democratic vote than a reliable Republican vote.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:08:11pm

This is going to be a really shitty Saturday afternoon isn’t it?

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BigPapa  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:09:18pm

SCIENTIFIC POLL ALERT:

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:10:28pm

re: #358 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d rather have an unreliable Democratic vote than a reliable Republican vote.

Why? Beyond replacing Yertle with Schumer, what’s the advantage that Manchin conveys that outweighs the liability he presents?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:10:54pm

So, my take on the newfound enthusiasm of the Republicans is that Republicans always vote, whether they’re enthusiastic or not. Turnout of Republicans in 2012 was not depressed, despite Right wing legend. No ‘missing white men’.

Democrats, OTOH, really need enthusiasm to turn out. And boy, do we have it!

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dangerman  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:12:19pm

re: #343 Anymouse 🌹

The Democrats have such a great conspiracy going, regardless of whether the International Jew Soros or some other liberal boogeyman is paying people by the tens of thousands (millions in the Women’s and Science Marches), that every last one of us remains silent about the alleged conspiracy to pay people to protest.

If even one such person went on FOX and presented evidence (like a letter with a cheque), the entire conservative media complex would be 24/7 nonstop displaying the hypocrisy of liberals.

The fact we can organise such a conspiracy literally involving millions of people and keep every last one quiet, while simultaneously being “disorganised” never seems to cross the minds of the mainstream media.

No proof is positive proof there is a conspiracy

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KGxvi  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:12:57pm

re: #355 Interesting Times

His defenders say there’s no way you could get a better Democrat from WV, and that Manchin could make the difference between Malignant Turtle McConnell continuing to be majority leader. HOWEVER, if Manchin was the one who held the balance of power, I can’t help but wonder if he would cross the aisle and switch like so many other Southern Dems did before…

The problem is that the Senate Majority Leader controls has complete control of the Senate calendar. It’s not like the House where there are mechanisms to bypass leadership. In the past, even if the Democrats had the majority, the leadership would bring bills to the floor if there was majority support for it, even if that majority was 45 Republicans and 10 Democrats. But McConnell has decided that he’s not going to allow anything even close to that sort of bipartisanship in the Senate.

Now, it’s possible that Manchin pulls a Jim Jeffords and switches parties to give Republicans control again if it ends up being 51-49. But we have recent history with a 50-50 Senate - the question is whether McConnell would go for something like what we had in the mid-aughts?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:14:00pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:15:50pm

According to Wikipedia, the conservative estimate for the number of participants in the Women’s March on Washington is 500,000 people, most from outside DC.

If George Soros!!!!uno!!1!2!!dos!! was paying half those protestors (we’ll spot Republicans 50% dupes who would do it for free) only $10 a piece (to come from across the country, stay in hotels, eat in restaurants, &c), that means Mr. Soros would have had to come up with $2,500,000. If he paid by cheque, that would be 250,000 cheques deposited in banks across the country. If he paid cash, there had to be a distribution point for that money somewhere.

A bank clerk would be the only whistleblower required to expose a legal activity (paying someone to do something legal).

Or, using Occam’s Razor, they’re anti-Semites.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:16:15pm

This is from 2 years ago but it is still probably the best article on the subject, beginning with the current role of Dominionist politicians like Ted Cruz and going on to a detailed synopsis of the movement’s origins, objectives, and structure.

DOMINIONISM RISING: A THEOCRATIC MOVEMENT HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

Meanwhile Cruz and other national pols comprise the tip of a very large, but hard to measure political iceberg. There are untold numbers of dominionist and dominionism-influenced politicians and public officials at all levels of government and who even after leaving office, shape our political discourse. Roy Moore, the elected Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, has been a rallying figure for dominionists of all stripes for the better part of two decades. Most recently, he has led efforts to exempt Alabama from federal court ordered compliance with marriage equality, citing his view of “God’s law.” Moore’s fellow Alabaman, Justice Tom Parker, has been on the court since 2004, and has employed theocratic legal theorist John Eidsmoe as his chief of staff. 15 Others at the top of recent American political life have included Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Mike Huckabee, 16 and Newt Gingrich. 17 Other prominent elected officials in the dominionist camp include Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R-TX), 18 Gov. Sam Brownback (R-KS), 19 Sen. James Lankford (R-OK),20 and Rep. Steve King (R-IA). 21

Prominent politicians’ involvement in dominionism is certainly the most visible evidence of the movement’s advances over the past half-century, but it’s not the only result. Dominionism is a story not widely or well understood. Because this is so, it is important to know what dominionism is and where it came from, so we can see it more clearly and better understand its contemporary significance.

If you understand this movement, you will understand what is really happening in the Republican Party today and why Evangelicals are so ardent in their support for such an unlikely character as serial adulterer Donald Trump. They support him for the same reason the Russians do: He will destroy the concentrated power of the United States, particularly the Federal government. For Russians this will remove the main obstacle to their expansionist goals. For Dominionists, it will allow the rise of their decentralized theocracy, centered in local gentry as the privileged class.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:18:10pm

re: #317 Hecuba’s daughter

I watched it live. At one time I liked Andrew, after he realized the disaster that Bush was as President, but it is so clear that he is a misogynist and totally contemptuous of women (and don’t get me started on his racism — his support for Obama, not withstanding). He doesn’t believe women, and clearly doesn’t care about how men treat them.

I hate that Tory Twit because he gladly published lie after lie in The Screw Republic to kill Hillarycare. My parents lost their house due to medical bills and I will never forgive those assholes that did that. And I hope that pig Bill Kristolmeth burns in hottest layer of hell for what he did to millions of people like my Mom and Dad!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:18:23pm

re: #361 Targetpractice

Why? Beyond replacing Yertle with Schumer, what’s the advantage that Manchin conveys that outweighs the liability he presents?

Suppose Manchin loses, because, after all, he’s not reliable enough, and we get a Republican instead. How do you figure we get a majority, to elect Schumer as Majority Leader?

Look, I know he’s frustrating. But you know, he was always going to vote with the majority on Kavanaugh. It’s why he waited till Collins put Kavanaugh over the top to announce. It’s political cowardice, but he’s a Democrat frompretty much the least Democratic state in the country. You’re not gonna get Kamala Harris, or even DiFi elected in WV.

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BigPapa  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:20:17pm

re: #367 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

For Dominionists, it will allow the rise of their decentralized theocracy, centered in local gentry as the privileged class.

Ding ding ding

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:20:32pm

re: #366 Anymouse 🌹

Fixed math, because I’m tired.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:20:57pm

re: #322 Barefoot Grin

I followed that arc. I read him fairly regularly, then he disappeared for awhile, and then when he came back it was as if he had just read The Bell Curve like a college freshman reads Atlas Shrugged. I hadn’t really seen or heard from him in years until recently.

Andrew Sullivan was promoting The Bell Curve back in the 1990’s when he was editor of the New Republic and the book was just published. So his racism has been of long standing. He is a true Brit, who feels that others of “lesser races” are inferior and need the guidance of their British overlords.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:22:38pm

re: #367 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This is from 2 years ago but it is still probably the best article on the subject, beginning with the current role of Dominionist politicians like Ted Cruz and going on to a detailed synopsis of the movement’s origins, objectives, and structure.

DOMINIONISM RISING: A THEOCRATIC MOVEMENT HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

If you understand this movement, you will understand what is really happening in the Republican Party today and why Evangelicals are so ardent in their support for such an unlikely character as serial adulterer Donald Trump. They support him for the same reason the Russians do: He will destroy the concentrated power of the United States, particularly the Federal government. For Russians this will remove the main obstacle to their expansionist goals. For Dominionists, it will allow the rise of their decentralized theocracy, centered in local gentry as the privileged class.

See also the book “Attack of the Theocrats.” I have a copy of that from long ago.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:24:55pm

re: #369 Blind Frog Belly White

Suppose Manchin loses, because, after all, he’s not reliable enough, and we get a Republican instead. How do you figure we get a majority, to elect Schumer as Majority Leader?

Look, I know he’s frustrating. But you know, he was always going to vote with the majority on Kavanaugh. It’s why he waited till Collins put Kavanaugh over the top to announce. It’s political cowardice, but he’s a Democrat frompretty much the least Democratic state in the country. You’re not gonna get Kamala Harris, or even DiFi elected in WV.

Joe Manchin’s the kinda guy that make the arguments that the DNC doesn’t care about principles, it only cares about getting elected and staying in office sound so reasonable. We’re telling voters “Vote against the assholes who’d put someone like Brett Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS bench…except Joe Manchin, because we need him.”

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:28:44pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:30:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:31:39pm

re: #374 Targetpractice

Joe Manchin’s the kinda guy that make the arguments that the DNC doesn’t care about principles, it only cares about getting elected and staying in office sound so reasonable. We’re telling voters “Vote against the assholes who’d put someone like Brett Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS bench…except Joe Manchin, because we need him.”

Sometimes pragmatism (voting for some Republican issues) means taking lumps to gain other goals. Had Clinton been elected, we wouldn’t even be having conversations about Kavanaugh and Manchin would probably have gone along with her picks.

If Manchin is replaced by Morrisey, I guarantee you there will be near 0% cooperation with the Senate Dems or a Democratic president should we get one in 2020.

It sucks, but perfect is the enemy of good.

In my own state, Jane Raybould (trying to replace Republicypher Deb Fischer) is not going to be near to the most liberal Democrat. She will be a far sight better than Sen. Fischer if she wins.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:31:47pm

re: #367 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

You can always tell your movement is on point when Roy Moore is one of the central figures.

///

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:35:37pm

re: #374 Targetpractice

Joe Manchin’s the kinda guy that make the arguments that the DNC doesn’t care about principles, it only cares about getting elected and staying in office sound so reasonable. We’re telling voters “Vote against the assholes who’d put someone like Brett Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS bench…except Joe Manchin, because we need him.”

And if the vote were between Joe Manchin and someone who wouldn’t support the GOP agenda, that would be a real argument. But that’s not the vote in November: it’s between Manchin, who votes to preserve the ACA and against the GOP tax cut, and someone who will vote the GOP party line. Without him, McConnell remains Majority Leader. If you want purity, expect to see Trump as President through 2024, followed by one Republican after another.

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Interesting Times  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:36:21pm

re: #378 Eclectic Cyborg

You can always tell your movement is on point when Roy Moore is one of the central figures.

Speaking of Molester McMallStalker, I totally misinterpreted what his defeat meant - namely, that trumpism wasn’t transferable. Nope, the Beer Keg Brett fiasco confirms it totally *is*, and the only reason it didn’t work in Moore’s case is because of black voters (women especially) turning out in numbers large enough to cancel out the trumpchumps.

For more on the chilling implications of transferable trumpism, see this excellent article by Josh Marshall:

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ericblair  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:41:28pm

re: #362 Blind Frog Belly White

So, my take on the newfound enthusiasm of the Republicans is that Republicans always vote, whether they’re enthusiastic or not. Turnout of Republicans in 2012 was not depressed, despite Right wing legend. No ‘missing white men’.

Democrats, OTOH, really need enthusiasm to turn out. And boy, do we have it!

The goopers have been very insistent in the last day or so that Democrats shouldn’t protest. Since they, uh, don’t seem to have our best interests at heart, that should tell you something.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:43:33pm
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A Mom Anon  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:43:55pm

As far as Manchin goes, my own personal opinion is that he knows his job is secure because WV won’t vote in a more liberal democrat. So he does the shit be pulled yesterday because he can, and he’s not wrong about that. Wouldn’t a better approach be to find someone who isn’t a moron to primary him? Surely there’s got to be a qualified woman in that state somewhere? Or we can work to knock some of these asshole republicans out in other states and get a majority and push Manchin to the left as much as possible. Just removing him isn’t going to fix anything unless we can keep his seat with another candidate. None of this is easy right now, but we don’t have a ton of options.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:45:22pm

re: #379 Hecuba’s daughter

And if the vote were between Joe Manchin and someone who wouldn’t support the GOP agenda, that would be a real argument. But that’s not the vote in November: it’s between Manchin, who votes to preserve the ACA and against the GOP tax cut, and someone who will vote the GOP party line. Without him, McConnell remains Majority Leader. If you want purity, expect to see Trump as President through 2024, followed by one Republican after another.

We sit here and bitch about how the GOP will do anything to retain power, and then we talk about how we’re willing to do anything to gain back that power. What a way to run a railroad.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:46:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:47:40pm

Simpler explanation: She doesn’t care about Ford’s sexual assault. She cares about the limelight, and putting Conservatives on the Court.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:49:17pm

re: #385 Dave In Austin

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Remember when this was advocated for the Tea Party. Yeah me neither.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:49:49pm

re: #386 Blind Frog Belly White

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Simpler explanation: She doesn’t care about Ford’s sexual assault. She cares about the limelight, and putting Conservatives on the Court.

None of them put any stock in the “doppelganger theory,” they all think she’s either a paid liar or a willing stooge. The “theory” only exists as a fig leaf, a way for them to call her a liar without saying it aloud. For a party that supposedly abhors “political correctness,” they sure have a hard time saying what they really mean.

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:49:53pm

re: #337 Scottish Dragon

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:52:44pm

re: #389 Belafon

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Your base are a bunch of sexist pigs. Says a lot about them that this energizes them but then again you’d know since Kavanaugh isn’t the first predator you enabled for political reasons.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:53:11pm

Jim Wright is getting upset with purity ponies over a hypothetical run by Joe Biden he posed as a question.

They keep using a motte and bailey logical fallacy (taking a hard question and equivocating it with an easier one to answer, answer that one and ignore the actual question).

His timeline is instructive today. It is sort of like the discussion here about Joe Manchin.

Here it’s similar from some responses to the actual matchup of Manchin v Morrissey. “We don’t need Republican-lite.” “He’ll just go over to the Republicans on some stuff anyway.” &c.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:54:43pm

re: #375 Single-handed sailor

Yesterday, after an 18 month investigation, the NYT revealed the President of the United States committed hundreds of millions of dollars of tax fraud - possibly one of the biggest scandals in the history of the Presidency - and 24 hours later we’re no longer talking about it.

Maybe it’s time to stop tweeting about everyone being distracted, and focus on tweeting about Trump’s fraudulent empire.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 12:57:23pm

re: #384 Targetpractice

We sit here and bitch about how the GOP will do anything to retain power, and then we talk about how we’re willing to do anything to gain back that power. What a way to run a railroad.

Part of politics is having the power to advance your agenda. If you don’t have that power, you don’t get your agenda or any part of it.

Would 100 Kamala Harrises be great? Sure. You ain’t gettin’ em.

If there was a credible candidate to run in a primary who could beat Joe Manchin, great. Someone in West Virginia can run against him.

Manchin has been this way for a long time. No one has run a credible campaign from the left against him.

It would appear your argument is “well, if we’re going to run Manchin for a single seat in West Virginia, we’re all hypocrites” or something.

I suppose we could put up the DNC platform and say “no one who can meet these planks A-Z need apply.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:02:35pm

re: #393 Anymouse 🌹

Part of politics is having the power to advance your agenda. If you don’t have that power, you don’t get your agenda or any part of it.

Would 100 Kamala Harrises be great? Sure. You ain’t gettin’ em.

If there was a credible candidate to run in a primary who could beat Joe Manchin, great. Someone in West Virginia can run against him.

Manchin has been this way for a long time. No one has run a credible campaign from the left against him.

It would appear your argument is “well, if we’re going to run Manchin for a single seat in West Virginia, we’re all hypocrites” or something.

I suppose we could put up the DNC platform and say “no one who can meet these planks A-Z need apply.”

I’ll doff my Devil’s Advocate robes for a moment to say that intellectually I understand the necessity of electing men like Joe Manchin. But one day Joe’s either going to retire or drop dead. And it’s looking like when that happens, we’re gonna be propping up his corpse in his seat because we have no alternatives.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:03:08pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

Pretty much. They would have “investigated” the matter, found no “corroborating evidence,” and could have called her a liar to her face without worry that the public would find out about any of it.

I have a feeling they had that letter all along, or knew the story from their own investigations and had already buried it.

And someone knew it was being buried and would never come out.

They letter finds it’s way to the Democrats and Feinstein brings it up and the Republicans are outraged that this being sprung on them at such a late date and it is slimy and political to do that.

Then it gets out to the public and now the fight is on…the Republicans were just pissed they couldn’t keep it buried.

Now they get Kavanaugh through and all is well, and they can now go and make their points gospel to the base because winners write the history and loser just need to shut up and suck it up.

No republican know even broaches the issue of character. No need. Now they can solidify the politics of the whole thing by blaming Democrats for turning it into sex, beer and white men privilege sliming a great guy.

It is now in the Bible…and some churches will be making money off the outrage tomorrow…just as Jesus would have wanted.

Sermon: We must protect our sons from the evil deception of Satan’s liberalism.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:03:13pm

re: #385 Dave In Austin

Wait, so there’s more than one asshole named Paul Ryan?

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:06:37pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
I’m about to hurl at all these glamor shots of a woman who helps enable the racist toad in the White House. “Look, here’s Melania in her ‘Great White Hunter’ outfit looking very serious… with pyramids!” Retch.

2:43 PM - Oct 6, 2018

Checking my email at Yahoo earlier, I saw a news feed article saying something about an elephant supposedly going after her and scaring her or something. I didn’t read it.

But I admit, I gave a nod to the elephant even without full knowledge.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:14:23pm

re: #384 Targetpractice

We sit here and bitch about how the GOP will do anything to retain power, and then we talk about how we’re willing to do anything to gain back that power. What a way to run a railroad.

Not anything.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:16:12pm

re: #345 Scottish Dragon

God bless this kid.

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I’ve noticed the media has all but forgotten the Parkland Student movement.

That may be a good thing as it helps hold down the Fox and Breitbart types from abusing and using them.

I do hope that they have been successful with their voting drives and messaging about guns and conservative gun politics.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:18:56pm

re: #348 Targetpractice

Ayep. They continue to insist that any who protest against them or their policies are paid to do so, yet they can never show the receipts. They’ve tried in the past to show that protests are “paid” by putting out false advertisements for such, but never found any willing to bite. And their efforts to portray things like organizational support or transportation as such always falls flat, particularly when people point out that far-right groups do the exact same thing for their own protestors.

Receipts? Republicans don’t need receipts they work on the honor system.

If they said Soros paid for it, that info is honored. Their party would never lie to them.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:21:57pm

re: #351 Dave In Austin

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Heh, I brought up Heather Bresch and EpiPens yesterday and how Manchin may only be a Democrat in name only. He certainly is a fence rider.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:25:31pm

re: #360 BigPapa

SCIENTIFIC POLL ALERT:

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Melania must have spent considerable time getting just the right outfit for that African photoshoot.

Was this a political first lady story they were doing or was it for Glamour magazine?

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:27:36pm

re: #363 dangerman

No proof is positive proof there is a conspiracy

But no proof is positive proof that Kavanaugh was totally innocent.

How does that all work?

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 1:38:10pm

re: #384 Targetpractice

We sit here and bitch about how the GOP will do anything to retain power, and then we talk about how we’re willing to do anything to gain back that power. What a way to run a railroad.

You may be leaving out the facts here. It is West Virginia.

They voted heavily for Trump. That cannot be ignored, but it kinda seems you are ignoring it.

They could very easily vote for a Republican once their good friend Joe Manchin is no longer in the seat.

And why is Joe such a good friend to West Virginia? Because he is Joe Manchin the guy we are talking about. The package Joe brings sells in his state, so they keep him.

We can not like it, but they do…and they vote there. We do not.

What you are talking about would work better in a state like Ohio or any purple state. Right now that is not West Virginia.

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sagehen  Oct 6, 2018 • 3:25:07pm

re: #393 Anymouse 🌹

Part of politics is having the power to advance your agenda. If you don’t have that power, you don’t get your agenda or any part of it.

(snip)

I suppose we could put up the DNC platform and say “no one who can meet these planks A-Z need apply.”

Some of the BernieBros were agitating against Doug Jones, because he wouldn’t promise to push for $15 min wage, or Medicare-for-All. He just wasn’t progressive enough, “might as well have a Republican”.

Fuck those fucking purity ponies. They also opposed the Dem in that Georgia special election, that he lost by a very narrow margin.

And then Susan Sarandon is happy because “look at the energy the activists are bringing, look at the protests.” Because Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and babies in cages and sabotaging the ACA and the tax bill and the deportations and undercutting NATO and coddling Nazis and whatever the fuck else is next, well she’s willing to pay that price for the thrill of seeing big marches that she can jump in front of and pretend to be leading.


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