Don’t Give Up

Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush
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The official Don’t Give Up video. Directed by Godley and Creme.

In this proud land we grew up strong
We were wanted all along
I was taught to fight, taught to win
I never thought I could fail

No fight left or so it seems
I am a man whose dreams have all deserted
I’ve changed my face, I’ve changed my name
But no-one wants you when you lose

Don’t give up ‘cause you have friends
Don’t give up you’re not beaten yet
Don’t give up I know you can make it good

Though I saw it all around
Never thought that I could be affected
Thought that we’d be last to go
It is so strange the way things turn
Drove the night toward my home
The place that I was born, on the lakeside
As daylight broke, I saw the earth
The trees had burned down to the ground

Don’t give up you still have us
Don’t give up we don’t need much of anything
Don’t give up ‘cause somewhere there’s a place where we belong

Rest your head
You worry too much
It’s going to be alright
When times get rough
You can fall back on us
Don’t give up
Please don’t give up

Got to walk out of here
I can’t take anymore
Going to stand on that bridge
Keep my eyes down below
Whatever may come
and whatever may go
That river’s flowing
That river’s flowing

Moved on to another town
Tried hard to settle down
For every job, so many men
So many men no-one needs

Don’t give up ‘cause you have friends
Don’t give up you’re not the only one
Don’t give up no reason to be ashamed
Don’t give up you still have us
Don’t give up now we’re proud of who you are
Don’t give up you know it’s never been easy
Don’t give up ‘cause I believe there’s a place
There’s a place
Where we belong

Don’t give up
Don’t give up
Don’t give up

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573 comments

1
thecommodore  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:26:56pm
2
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:27:19pm

Never give up. NEVER SURRENDER!

Ooh, I think that might make for great drunk-watching.

3
Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:30:45pm

Tell me we’re going to survive Donald Trump.

4
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:32:11pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Tell me we’re going to survive Donald Trump.

We’re going to survive Donald Trump, but for varying definitions of the word “survive”. The country is going to look very different on the other side, but I expect it to be still attached to the planet and with most of its current citizens still alive and breathing.

5
Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:33:10pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Tell me we’re going to survive Donald Trump.

Most of us will survive Trump. Just by dint of his age and shit health, we will outlive him.

I’m not convinced the country will.

6
PhillyPretzel  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:33:22pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I will admit in this case I am trying to remain optimistic and I think we will survive as a nation but we will have a lot of work to do afterward.

7
Interesting Times  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:35:22pm

re: #6 PhillyPretzel

Do you know people in this area? If so, a thread for them:

8
Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:35:58pm
9
HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:37:44pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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It will at some point but the question I have is where will we be as a nation?

10
jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:39:09pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:39:25pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Wish it would, Charles. It it will be repeated in thousands of churches tomorrow and then The rest of the Republican Bullshit Machine will endlessly repeat it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:40:01pm

re: #10 jaunte

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He is so fucking full of shit. Like infuriatingly so but his stupid cult believes all his lies because they’re even uninformed than he is.

13
jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:40:33pm
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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:41:30pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Doesn’t this bizarre, elaborate fantasy world he’s badly constructing have to collapse under its own weight of sheer BS at some point?

Never. Not as long as the Chuck Todds and Brett Stephens continue to privilege anything a Republican says like it’s god’s own truth no matter how easily disproven or batshit insane it is. The current political atmosphere assures there is never any consequence for GOP bullshit. This entire ordeal is prove positive of that.

15
TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:41:34pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

He is so fucking full of shit. Like infuriatingly so but his stupid cult believes all his lies because they’re even uninformed than he is.

And they like it, because that means they don’t have to actually think and process the bullshit, just swallow it whole uncritically.

16
nines09  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:42:33pm

Music. All the genres. The words, the actions and the message. Most come from a place of pain and suffering. A dirge. A plea. A voice rising to be heard. Music also leads men to battle. To war. To pleasure. To pain. To rejoice. To remember. To forget. To ask forgiveness. To lend forgiveness. This world is beautifully cruel. It can lift and crush all at the same instant. The human condition. The miles of words strung together to try and make sense of it all. Why.
Why.
Because. Water flows. The winds move. And the sun will rise. Nothing is forever.
Nothing.
This too will pass. Pain, suffering, death and misery will claw through love and care and respect and joy. Because.
Nothing stays the same. Nothing.
I have been half insane since the fix was in. I saw the fix before. You did too. You might have missed it. I know I missed most. Too busy making music. And love. And caring. And raising a family by working and caring.
The money always has the edge. Always.
Do not give up. Do not turn away.
I have to temper my soul which has darkened. I have much to be thankful for, yet I feel as if I am an old duck whose waterproofing has worn thin.
I am soaked to the bone.
I will continue. I will rise above. I will meet my fate. I will continue to live.
Until I pass.
Then it’s up to you.
I had to lift that lid. Too many words in the way, thoughts race, mouth fails.
Thank you.

17
Skip Intro  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:42:50pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Not with our media saying nothing no matter how big the lie.

18
HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:43:33pm

re: #15 TedStriker

And they like it, because that means they don’t have to actually think and process the bullshit, just swallow it whole uncritically.

Hating the libs is easier than thinking about the fact that a demented con man is robbing you while you laugh at this stupid antics. One thing’s for sure. I don’t want these pathetic assholes crying when the shit hits the fan that no one warned them. Enjoy the high tariffs you stupid fucks.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:44:05pm

re: #17 Skip Intro

Not with our media saying nothing no matter how big the lie.

They don’t just say nothing. They actively run interference for this shit because they continue to feel the need to make up for the gigantic crime of being ‘liberal media’..

20
HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:44:21pm

I don’t so much fear Trump winning re-election in 2020 but a fear of what happening repeating itself.

21
Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:44:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:46:19pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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She’ll get hers eventually when her prick of a father gets denied for his pre-existing condition of being an amoral pedo enabling douchebag.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:48:15pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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McConnell made it clear that a Republican Senate would NEVER confirm anyone Hillary would have appointed. Won’t stop Hucky Boo Boo’s right wing pole dancing around her endless lying!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:48:15pm

Mine is “Bernie would’ve won.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:49:03pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

She’ll get hers eventually when her prick of a father gets denied for his pre-existing condition of being an amoral pedo enabling douchebag.

He does have Type 2 diabetes.

26
teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:49:28pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

“Skiing is a stupid sport.”

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:49:45pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

She’ll get hers eventually when her prick of a father gets denied for his pre-existing condition of being an amoral pedo enabling douchebag.

Except he can probably pay out of pocket anyway because he’s in good with the leadership.

They’re not going to pay any karmic consequences, ever. Failing upward and rewards for cruelty are baked into the system.

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Skip Intro  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:50:07pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

That will never happen.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:50:09pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

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Mine is “Bernie would’ve won.”

I don’t have a Twitter, so I suppose mine would be… “Hello, World”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:50:12pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon 🌹

He does have Type 2 diabetes.

Am I bad a person for not feeling bad about that? After all personal responsibility and all that. Sorry, sorry I try not to be a nasty person and ti goes against my better instincts but that tweet really pisses me off because they know that Kavanaugh is going to be a shill for them and their causes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:50:27pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

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Mine is “Bernie would’ve won.”

Go Yankees and Patriots.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:51:18pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

That will never happen.

Of course it won’t. Just like her boss will never suffer the way he should.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:51:54pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Go Yankees and Patriots.

Pretty sure if I put that on my Facebook, there would be a country-wide APB for me within 15 minutes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:52:33pm

re: #33 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Pretty sure if I put that on my Facebook, there would be a country-wide APB for me within 15 minutes.

Yep, I’ve hated the Yankees longer than I have Republicans.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:52:53pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

This would also work for me: “American Football is an amazing sport!”

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Skip Intro  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:52:58pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

None of those people ever get payback for anything they say or do. Makes you wonder why.

37
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:53:20pm

Kate Bush is a Goddess.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:53:59pm

Honestly tho’ this is the real clue.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:54:18pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Yep, I’ve hated the Yankees longer than I have Republicans.

It’s well-known among even my wingnut family that I will forever despise three sports franchises: Ohio State Football, the Patriots, and the Yankees.

40
Broad With Sass  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:54:20pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

Roll Tide!

911 calls would ensue

41
Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:54:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:54:35pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

None of those people ever get payback for anything they say or do. Makes you wonder why.

Meanwhile good people do suffer and suffer lots. I don’t know why either. I think that’s why I’m so upset about all this. Kavanaugh’s got a lifelong appointment on SCOTUS and a good segment of the country believes he’s a victim.

43
Skip Intro  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:55:07pm

I’m naming my kid Kayne.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:55:18pm

re: #39 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s well-known among even my wingnut family that I will forever despise three sports franchises: Ohio State Football, the Patriots, and the Yankees.

I don’t have a third but I disliked the Jordan Bulls in the late 90’s TBH.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:56:07pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Am I bad a person for not feeling bad about that? After all personal responsibility and all that. Sorry, sorry I try not to be a nasty person and ti goes against my better instincts but that tweet really pisses me off because they know that Kavanaugh is going to be a shill for them and their causes.

Nope. You’re not. Karma will get even with that liar for allowing Wayne Dumond and Maurice Clemmons out of jail so they could rape and kill again!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:56:07pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

I don’t have a third but I disliked the Jordan Bulls in the late 90’s TBH.

See, I lived in the Chicago suburbs, so I loved me some Bulls. But the Buckeyes? My dad’s a Purdue graduate, man. BOILER THE FUCK UP! And the rest of the Big Ten can go fuck themselves right into a hole. Except for the Gophers, they’ve never been good enough to be a rivalry.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:56:33pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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Ladies, prove this bastard wrong. Make every day Kavanaugh sits on SCOTUS a day he’d rather be getting sloshed with Judge and his ashsole friends.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:57:08pm

re: #46 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

See, I lived in the Chicago suburbs, so I loved me some Bulls. But the Buckeyes? My dad’s a Purdue graduate, man. BOILER THE FUCK UP! And the rest of the Big Ten can go fuck themselves right into a hole. Except for the Gophers, they’ve never been good enough to be a rivalry.

Yeah I get that. I don’t have a college team I really despise except maybe Duke in men’s basketball but I’ve mellowed on them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:57:41pm

re: #45 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope. You’re not. Karma will get even with that liar for allowing Wayne Demond and Maurice Clemmons out of jail so they could rape and kill again!

All because Demond’s victim was a Clinton relative too right? And they call us soft on crime.

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TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:57:54pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

Honestly tho’ this is the real clue.

So, if we see a NFL tweet from you, we send the SWAT team.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:57:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:58:35pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

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But they love Israel. //

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 5:58:45pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Yeah I get that. I don’t have a college team I really despise except maybe Duke in men’s basketball but I’ve mellowed on them.

The Ohio State University mostly rubs me the wrong way for two reasons: They’re pretentious, and Urban Fucking Meyer. I hate Notre Dame for the first reason too, but they’re in a different conference so it’s a different rivalry. Indiana University I only hate on principle because they’re the official declared rivals of the Boilermakers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:00:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:00:27pm

re: #53 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The Ohio State University mostly rubs me the wrong way for two reasons: They’re pretentious, and Urban Fucking Meyer. I hate Notre Dame for the first reason too, but they’re in a different conference so it’s a different rivalry. Indiana University I only hate on principle because they’re the official declared rivals of the Boilermakers.

You would think that a guy like me might like Notre Dame with my Irish and Catholic roots but nope. Purdue on another note has produced some good QBs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:01:00pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

You would think that a guy like me might like Notre Dame with my Irish and Catholic roots but nope. Purdue on another note has produced some good QBs.

Drew Brees is a former Boilermaker. Pretty much the only reason I even sorta like the NO Saints.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:01:12pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

But they love Israel. //

These Xtians love Israel so much that they want millions to die at Armageddon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:01:18pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

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And your mistress’s abortion will still be paid for because the rich will still get abortions. And you still don’t give a fuck about alive kids especially ones being separated from their parents at the border.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:01:27pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

That too. But mainly he’s delusional — and that’s a good thing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:01:40pm

re: #57 Joe Bacon 🌹

These Xtians love Israel so much that they want millions to die at Armageddon.

Yep. Rapture shit.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:03:17pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

Soon, babies like this little angel will be protected in the womb by law.

Unless they’re an inconvenience to a wealthy man. Or woman.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:03:25pm

re: #56 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Drew Brees is a former Boilermaker. Pretty much the only reason I even sorta like the NO Saints.

Yep that’s right. Brees is a cool story. Undersized. Gotta admire what he’s done for the Saints.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:03:45pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

My dad and I have a joke that any quarterback that survives to graduate from Purdue must be worth drafting, because they sure do take a beating during their college football career.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:04:57pm

How do the writers at the Federalist remember to breathe?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:05:33pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

How do the writers at the Federalist remember to breathe?

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They’ve been lobotomized, they have no brains that require oxygen.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:06:03pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

How do the writers at the Federalist remember to breathe?

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Go ahead and sue. Because by the time Kavanaugh gets to discovery, he’ll be wanting to get sloshed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:08:05pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

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Mine is “Bernie would’ve won.”

“MAGA!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:08:35pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

How do the writers at the Federalist remember to breathe?

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Hey they are exactly the same as the liars who wrote for Pravda in the Soviet Union. The Communist Republican Party is always persecuted and under attack.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:10:44pm

Trump’s next SCOTUS nominee: Judge Ducklips

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:10:46pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

“Soon, women will be forced into back alleys for coat hanger abortions again”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:10:56pm

re: #68 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey they are exactly the same as the liars who wrote for Pravda in the Soviet Union. The Communist Republican Party is always persecuted and under attack.

Notice that both of them have adopted the color red… Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

/half

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:12:07pm

Roe vs Wade is tops on the list for sure… not for love of babies.. that’s a distant tertiary point in all this- the strict placement of women in society is the clear goal.

But Roe vs Wade is just the appetizer. Brown vs Board of Education going bye-bye, allowing the Banning of Evolution in schools, are coming. And a couple of Constitutional Amendements are coming as well- first of which is to Establish “Christianity” as the basis on the country, and another Amendment stating English as the Official language.

The 20th Century is noted as the development and entrenchment of modern statism. The 21st Century is shaping up to be repealing the 20th Century and a slide towards populist Fascism. This is a worldwide occurrence BTW. And these individual populist movements are often mutually exclusive. Shit’s about to get really ugly.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:12:12pm

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

Trump’s next SCOTUS nominee: Judge Ducklips

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Yeah those therapist notes from six years ago. Nothing. And nah she’s not getting near SCOTUS. She’s a big fat joke even to the hacks at the Federalist Society. They’ll find someone awful but someone they’ll try to force along the facade of responsibility just like Justice Dickface.

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TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:12:59pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:13:04pm
76
Interesting Times  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:14:04pm

Good advice here:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:15:46pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

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“Soon, women will be forced into back alleys for coat hanger abortions again”

And Steve Thing will look the other way when children lose medical care thanks to the corrupted court. He will gladly take away all the assistance he can get away with. and if a child is molested, Steve Thing will defend the molesters!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:17:04pm

What an evil little fucker he is.
Correction: they both are. (K & M)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:17:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:18:07pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

What an evil little fucker he is.

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Merrick Garland deserved a hearing and you didn’t give that to him. May your bourbon tonight be as rotten as your soul is Mitch.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:18:16pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

Mitch McConnell cannot kick the bucket fast enough for me. I loves me some bourbon, but right now Kentucky is on my shit list purely on his account.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:18:41pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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They want him on right away so he can start chipping away at precedent which again is why it’s wrong to call them conservatives.

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William Lewis  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:19:19pm

re: #72 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Roe vs Wade is tops on the list for sure… not for love of babies.. that’s a distant tertiary point in all this- the strict placement of women in society is the clear goal.

But Roe vs Wade is just the appetizer. Brown vs Board of Education going bye-bye, allowing the Banning of Evolution in schools, are coming. And a couple of Constitutional Amendements are coming as well- first of which is to Establish “Christianity” as the basis on the country, and another Amendment stating English as the Official language.

The 20th Century is noted as the development and entrenchment of modern statism. The 21st Century is shaping up to be repealing the 20th Century and a slide towards populist Fascism. This is a worldwide occurrence BTW. And these individual populist movements are often mutually exclusive. Shit’s about to get really ugly.

Everyone needs to decide how far they’re willing to go to resist. I was in the Army and consider myself still bound by my oath. I’ll be in the boonies if it comes to that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:19:31pm

re: #81 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mitch McConnell cannot kick the bucket fast enough for me. I loves me some bourbon, but right now Kentucky is on my shit list purely on his account.

Unfortunately I don’t think he’s going anywhere time soon. I don’t want him dead. I want him to see him fail and to live with the consequences.

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TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:20:33pm

re: #81 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mitch McConnell cannot kick the bucket fast enough for me. I loves me some bourbon, but right now Kentucky is on my shit list purely on his account.

*psst*

Jack Daniel and George Dickel say hello…

/

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:21:31pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately I don’t think he’s going anywhere time soon. I don’t want him dead. I want him to see him fail and to live with the consequences.

I would dearly love to see him sitting on the sidelines whilst all of this political fuckery he has made is unmade, but I fear that will not happen in his lifetime.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:21:41pm

re: #85 TedStriker

*psst*

Jack Daniel and George Dickel say hello…

/

I’m sure we’ve got some good bourbon here in Warner-Kaine-Northam land.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:22:14pm

re: #86 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I would dearly love to see him sitting on the sidelines whilst all of this political fuckery he has made is unmade, but I fear that will not happen in his lifetime.

I hear ya. It always bummed me that Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond died before Obama was elected.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:22:46pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

I hear ya. It always bummed me that Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond died before Obama was elected.

Right? Would have been icing on the damn cake.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:23:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:24:02pm

re: #89 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Right? Would have been icing on the damn cake.

Now if we could get an openly gay President for all the religious right wackos.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:24:38pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

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Hell cynically I say, they may help in a way. Kavanaugh is seen as a victim to get a great chunk of the country.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:25:10pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

Steve King ✔
@SteveKingIA

US House candidate, IA-4
Soon, babies like this little angel will be protected in the womb by law.

4:49 PM - Oct 6, 2018

Yep, just as I was commenting earlier. They are going to gloat and start talking about Roe v. Wade and others being overturned right after they had Collins put everyone to sleep saying they would not.

Have at it. It’s election time. Let’s make that a hot topic.

A key part of late messaging this election is to add The Future Under Kavanaugh in the messages and make it sound as it is here now and what it means.

Show his contorted mean faces and talk about how you will have less insurance, less protections from big corporations, and women will no longer control their own bodies.

All changing because Republicans did not care about character just power over you.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:26:05pm

Takes years sometimes even centuries to build progress. But it can take the fraction of that time to take it all down.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:26:09pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

How do the writers at the Federalist remember to breathe?

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Please proceed. Discovery should be fun, though not so much for Kavanaugh. And they’d be able to bring in Rivera and subpeona Mark Judge to testify publicly under oath.

Plus, the simple fact is, he’d have to prove he didn’t do it. He can’t. Failure to recall an event is not the same as proof the event didn’t occur.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:26:54pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Now if we could get an openly gay President for all the religious right wackos.

*SNORT!*

CSB time.

So Mrs. Fish has another friend who is still stuck in the conservative mindset. They were playing a Lego game and one of the characters was Gandalf. She chuckled and said, “Wouldn’t it be fabulous if, instead of introducing himself as ‘Gandalf the Grey’ or ‘Gandalf the White’, he said, ‘I’m Gandalf… OF THE RAINBOW!’” When she relayed this story to me, I died laughing. Then she informed me that her conservative friend was very put out by this joke and spent the rest of the evening chastising her how J. R. R. Tolkien would NOT approve of such mockery of his characters.

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William Lewis  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:28:17pm

Mitch is a lich. I need a paladin, a ranger, a cleric of light and a wizard to help this rogue destroy his phylactery. Level 12 + Only Good alignment accepted.

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TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:28:20pm

re: #96 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

*SNORT!*

CSB time.

So Mrs. Fish has another friend who is still stuck in the conservative mindset. They were playing a Lego game and one of the characters was Gandalf. She chuckled and said, “Wouldn’t it be fabulous if, instead of introducing himself as ‘Gandalf the Grey’ or ‘Gandalf the White’, he said, ‘I’m Gandalf… OF THE RAINBOW!’” When she relayed this story to me, I died laughing. Then she informed me that her conservative friend was very put out by this joke and spent the rest of the evening chastising her how J. R. R. Tolkien would NOT approve of such mockery of his characters.

I hope your wife told their “friend” to blow it out their ass…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:28:42pm

re: #96 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

*SNORT!*

CSB time.

So Mrs. Fish has another friend who is still stuck in the conservative mindset. They were playing a Lego game and one of the characters was Gandalf. She chuckled and said, “Wouldn’t it be fabulous if, instead of introducing himself as ‘Gandalf the Grey’ or ‘Gandalf the White’, he said, ‘I’m Gandalf… OF THE RAINBOW!’” When she relayed this story to me, I died laughing. Then she informed me that her conservative friend was very put out by this joke and spent the rest of the evening chastising her how J. R. R. Tolkien would NOT approve of such mockery of his characters.

It’s amazing how forward we’ve come as a country on this issue but that others still are lacking even where we were 30 years ago on this subject. I blame religion for that.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:28:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:29:48pm

re: #100 Dave In Austin

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I love the mental gymnastics that goes into freaking out that everything you hate is funded by Soros but yet also thinking Citizens United was a great decision.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:30:06pm

re: #98 TedStriker

I hope your wife told their “friend” to blow it out their ass…

Well, DUH. She’s a Viking shieldmaiden. She told the friend exactly where to shove it, and she told me how happy she was that I, at least, was on the same wavelength and got her humor.

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meteor  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:30:47pm
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Teddy's Person  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:30:54pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

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Right, and when she’s out of the womb she can look forward to not being believed when she’s raped, forced to carry the resulting baby to term, and working 80 hours a week at the Triangle Shirtwaiste Factory to support herself and said baby.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:31:26pm

re: #104 Teddy’s Person

Right, and when she’s out of the womb she can look forward to not being believed when she’s raped, forced to carry the resulting baby to term, and working 80 hours a week at the Triangle Shirtwaiste Factory to support herself and said baby.

Whoa, whoa we have to care about someone while they’re alive now? //

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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:32:07pm

Whoops…. Coffee’s done and forgot about it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:32:53pm

re: #106 Dave In Austin

Whoops…. Coffee’s done and forgot about it.

Overdone coffee just means more caffeine in a smaller volume. Adjust flavor as needed.

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TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:33:31pm

re: #102 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, DUH. She’s a Viking shieldmaiden. She told the friend exactly where to shove it, and she told me how happy she was that I, at least, was on the same wavelength and got her humor.

I also hope your wife told their “friend” that Ian McKellen, who played Gandolf in the Peter Jackson films, is gay, just to watch them stammer and sputter in disgust.

I have to assume that McKellen-as-Gandolf was the reason for the original joke…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:33:52pm

re: #108 TedStriker

I also hope your wife told their “friend” that Ian McKellen, who played Gandolf in the Peter Jackson films, is gay, just to watch them stammer and sputter in disgust.

I think he already knew that, but she unfortunately chose not to rub that in. Of course, that is why she made the joke in the first place.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:33:59pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

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re: #92 HappyWarrior

Hell cynically I say, they may help in a way. Kavanaugh is seen as a victim to get a great chunk of the country.

All the white beating real victims back into the shadows. We’re already seeing this whole thing leveraged to treat any and all people who come forward about rape and sexual assault as the real perpetrators and casting a genuine witch hunt against them. And Kavanaugh’s successful confirmation and the GOP’s general successes will only further embolden those who have a vested interest in treating false rape accusations as the super epidemic they treat it as.

Real victims are getting victimized twice, and there seems to be no recourse against it now.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:34:57pm

re: #109 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Also, that is SIR Ian McKellen to you.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:35:48pm

re: #110 Citizen K

All the white beating real victims back into the shadows. We’re already seeing this whole thing leveraged to treat any and all people who come forward about rape and sexual assault as the real perpetrators and casting a genuine witch hunt against them. And Kavanaugh’s successful confirmation and the GOP’s general successes will only further embolden those who have a vested interest in treating false rape accusations as the super epidemic they treat it as.

Real victims are getting victimized twice, and there seems to be no recourse against it now.

I think that’s why I’m so angry. Am I angry about the decisions he will make on SCOTUS? Of course. But most of all that it’s another chapter of “Let’s not believe the woman because her accused is someone we like.” All that talk about how great a guy Kavanaugh is bullshit. Oh I’m sure he’s lovely if you’re a GOP partisan who only cares about GOP partisanship but to the rest of us, fuck that guy.

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TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:37:14pm

re: #111 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Also, that is SIR Ian McKellen to you.

Here’s a couple of Sirs having a few pints:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:37:27pm

It’s kind of funny, now I think about it. Mrs. Fish is a thoroughbred Viking. I’m an Irishman with some Scotch blood. Needless to say, drinking games can become blood sport in our house if we’re in the wrong (right?) mood. And as always, we salute our first drink of the night with our respective salutes, “Skol / Slainte”.

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TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:38:12pm

re: #109 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think he already knew that, but she unfortunately chose not to rub that in. Of course, that is why she made the joke in the first place.

See my edit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:38:43pm

re: #115 TedStriker

See my edit.

There you go, then.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:40:43pm

I think Trump’s response to how well mocking Dr. Ford at Tuesday’s rally has emboldened him, and now he knows he can say literally anything.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:41:19pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I think that’s why I’m so angry. Am I angry about the decisions he will make on SCOTUS? Of course. But most of all that it’s another chapter of “Let’s not believe the woman because her accused is someone we like.” All that talk about how great a guy Kavanaugh is bullshit. Oh I’m sure he’s lovely if you’re a GOP partisan who only cares about GOP partisanship but to the rest of us, fuck that guy.

It just feels like a matter of ensuring that there’s two steps back for every step forward. For every #MeToo, there’s the Republicans shutting the door on every and all attempts for it to actually make a difference. Just like how they managed to leverage Black LIves Matter into more Stand Your Ground, cop protection laws, and riding the demonization of folks like Kaepernick into more and more power. Because again, hate and spite may as well be god almighty in this country.

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Skip Intro  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:42:40pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

If Democrats were ever invited on the Sunday morning shows I’m sure they’d be asked about the Feinstein Bill.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:44:47pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

I think Trump’s response to how well mocking Dr. Ford at Tuesday’s rally has emboldened him, and now he knows he can say literally anything.

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And yet Manchin the coward is thinking about endorsing this guy.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:46:00pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I wonder how many of these asshole supporters of his would want their daughters attending a party thrown by a bunch of prep school douchehammers? And then I remember that if something like this happened to their daughters they’d dismiss her and tell her not to ruin some young man’s life.

All because they are scared little petunias who are scared of becoming a minority group because they’re scared they will get worse than they gave. Well that and the sociopathy and greed. And the evil. Again, this is why being nice ain’t gonna work on these shitmuffins.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:46:39pm

re: #107 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

At work. 6-6. Brew and nuke as needed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:47:16pm

re: #121 A Mom Anon

I wonder how many of these asshole supporters of his would want their daughters attending a party thrown by a bunch of prep school douchehammers? And then I remember that if something like this happened to their daughters they’d dismiss her and tell her not to ruin some young man’s life.

All because they are scared little petunias who are scared of becoming a minority group because they’re scared they will get worse than they gave. Well that and the sociopathy and greed. And the evil. Again, this is why being nice ain’t gonna work on these shitmuffins.

I welcome white men becoming a minority.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:47:54pm

re: #121 A Mom Anon

I was going to say, yeah, they act all tough… But when things like that DO happen to their daughters, they disown them and cast them out as impure sluts. And that pisses me right the fuck off as the father of a young daughter whom I fully intend to support into adulthood as every bit as much a wild shieldmaiden of the North as Mrs. Fish is. If some guy manhandles her, he WILL feel my wrath, and I WILL teach her how to handle herself before it gets to that point. And if something happens to my daughter despite that, I will take care of her.

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:48:08pm

re: #121 A Mom Anon

I wonder how many of these asshole supporters of his would want their daughters attending a party thrown by a bunch of prep school douchehammers? And then I remember that if something like this happened to their daughters they’d dismiss her and tell her not to ruin some young man’s life.

All because they are scared little petunias who are scared of becoming a minority group because they’re scared they will get worse than they gave. Well that and the sociopathy and greed. And the evil. Again, this is why being nice ain’t gonna work on these shitmuffins.

As long as they don’t bring home a scary black guy as their boyfriend, or make friends with the evil immigrant guy at their job. Sure, the rapey fratboy douchebag might have assaulted them, but at least he was a white rapey fratboy douchebag, that instantly makes him a ‘good person’.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:48:32pm

re: #122 Dave In Austin

At work. 6-6. Brew and nuke as needed.

I am not a covfefe drinker, so I leave it to those with more experienced palates to help with the overbrewed brew.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:54:01pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:54:57pm

One of my E. Indian coworkers made coffee once….. We made sure he had the 1st cup. He didn’t flinch a wink and he had filed the basket to the top. It looked like tar.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 6, 2018 • 6:57:45pm

Does anyone know the numbers, dem vs rep, of senators that have to run in 2020? I know it’s a third up every two years, but what is the makeup of those seats?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:02:36pm

I am flabbergasted. I posted at the top of the thread the comments that I made on my Facebook regarding Kavanaugh’s selection. I’m actually getting support from some very unexpected quarters. It appears that even in Wingnuttia, there are some people who are discomfited with the way the process played out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:03:07pm

re: #130 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I am flabbergasted. I posted at the top of the thread the comments that I made on my Facebook regarding Kavanaugh’s selection. I’m actually getting support from some very unexpected quarters. It appears that even in Wingnuttia, there are some people who are discomfited with the way the process played out.

That gives me some hope.

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Interesting Times  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:03:43pm

re: #121 A Mom Anon

All because they are scared little petunias who are scared of becoming a minority group because they’re scared they will get worse than they gave. Well that and the sociopathy and greed. And the evil. Again, this is why being nice ain’t gonna work on these shitmuffins.

Did you see this viral video?

Aside from the incident itself, the video also shows a chilling microcosm of what America’s going through right now (vulnerable members of minority groups attacked by bigots and needing white allies to step up and speak out). And if you listen closer to the bigoted white woman’s words, she says, over and over, “you will lose this country.”

And that’s really what it boils down to - she (or, as one twitter user called her, “Frau Von Papersplease”) will excuse and even celebrate everything GOPers do because it represents their only chance to keep white power in America.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:04:19pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

That gives me some hope.

Right? I totally expected complete stonewall silence. Maybe even a few unfriends. But instead, I got some likes, some loves, and some supporting comments from people I didn’t anticipate… Including some family…

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:07:02pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:08:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:09:46pm

re: #135 jaunte

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His cult buys everything

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:11:58pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:12:14pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

His cult buys everything

Trump weaponized human stupidity.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:12:59pm

re: #138 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump weaponized human stupidity.

Oh… OH SHIT.

The most dangerous force in all of humanity.

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Interesting Times  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:13:02pm

re: #133 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Right? I totally expected complete stonewall silence. Maybe even a few unfriends. But instead, I got some likes, some loves, and some supporting comments from people I didn’t anticipate… Including some family…

That’s wonderful! Even though a facebook post per sae may not look like any sort of “grand” action, it still took a lot of courage and - perhaps most important of all - it gave others who had similar feelings “permission” to speak out. Can’t recall now where I first saw this quote, but it pretty much sums it up:

“I don’t speak to persuade those who disagree. I speak to let those who feel the same way I do know they’re not alone.”

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Citizen K  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:13:43pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

His cult buys everything

It wouldn’t be so bad if so much of our media didn’t buy into it or at the very least enable it themselves.

I will always come back to how much the Chuck Todds keep normalizing this shit because it’s why we’re in the mess we’re in. And pointing out their sins just makes them entrench even more out of spite, because fuck it.

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:14:10pm

My college son had to come to the house for something, so we talked about him making it in to do early voting. A couple of weeks ago, the campus had a voter registration drive, so I told him to make sure the students around him get out and vote as well, preferably early.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:14:13pm

re: #140 Interesting Times

It isn’t big in the grand scheme of things, admittedly. My social media sphere is small. But every person who is reached is one less person the enemy can count on. And they, in turn, can reach others. I refuse to underestimate what even poor little old anti-social introverted I can do.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:16:41pm

re: #130 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I am flabbergasted. I posted at the top of the thread the comments that I made on my Facebook regarding Kavanaugh’s selection. I’m actually getting support from some very unexpected quarters. It appears that even in Wingnuttia, there are some people who are discomfited with the way the process played out.

Sometimes reason has to come to the front, they are human aren’t they?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:19:30pm

re: #144 ObserverArt

Sometime reason has to come to the front, they are human aren’t they?

Or at the very least, learning that a loved one feels differently than they do has given them cause for honest self-evaluation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:24:36pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

His cult buys everything

Including way too many of those stupid red hats.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:25:12pm

re: #128 Dave In Austin

One of my E. Indian coworkers made coffee once….. We made sure he had the 1st cup. He didn’t flinch a wink and he had filed the basket to the top. It looked like tar.

Wait, that’s not how you are supposed to make it?

/

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Dave In Austin  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:25:37pm

Fuckers are like a bunch of banty chickens……..

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:25:56pm

re: #147 Unshaken Defiance

Wait, that’s not how you are supposed to make it?

/

I’ve watched Mrs. Fish make her coffee in the mornings. I’m pretty sure it’s just soup, made with ground coffee beans, strained, and cream and Bailey’s added.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:26:20pm

re: #132 Interesting Times

Did you see this viral video?

Aside from the incident itself, the video also shows a chilling microcosm of what America’s going through right now (vulnerable members of minority groups attacked by bigots and needing white allies to step up and speak out). And if you listen closer to the bigoted white woman’s words, she says, over and over, “you will lose this country.”

And that’s really what it boils down to - she (or, as one twitter user called her, “Frau Von Papersplease”) will excuse and even celebrate everything GOPers do because it represents their only chance to keep white power in America.

But god forbid if someone comes up to a powerful Republican and confronts them.

Republican thinking: “Only Dems are acting out this way, it has gotten bad. We need more Republicans to stop this tribal incivility.”

By the way, that word ‘tribal’ as used in politics too much lately; yeah, I am really hating that word. It’s another media driven me-tooism.

I’m thinking going forward, tribal will be worn out.

By the way, about that phrase ‘going forward’…

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TedStriker  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:30:28pm

In other, more light-hearted news:

Sotheby’s Gets Banksy’ed at Contemporary Art Auction in London

In a moment that caught the art world by surprise, Banksy’s Girl with Balloon self-destructed just as the final hammer signaled the end of an evening of auctions in London. The work sold for £1,042,000 ($1.4 million), tying the artist’s record in pounds at auction previously achieved in 2008.

The framed work, spray paint and acrylic on canvas, mounted on board depicted a girl reaching out toward a bright red, heart shaped balloon - one of Banksy’s most iconic images - began to pass through a shredder hidden in the frame.

Cheeky…

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:35:58pm

My other trick with the office coffee machine is boiling the water in the microwave and pouring that through. Coffee machines don’t keep the water hot enough to the basket, then too hot in the pot. Go figure.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:38:25pm

re: #149 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, and whiskey if she’s feeling really frisky. (Heh, that rhymed.) Like a good Viking.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:38:27pm

re: #151 TedStriker

There’s video.

Instagram

.
“The urge to destroy is also a creative urge”
- Picasso

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:42:13pm

We’ve really reached the political song stage.

Along those lines, if you want some numbers on how involved Democrats are:

blog.actblue.com

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:43:27pm

re: #155 Belafon

We’ve really reached the political song stage.

Along those lines, if you want some numbers on how involved Democrats are:

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blog.actblue.com

Holy balls, Deadpool. Democrats are taking this election seriously.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:45:57pm

re: #97 William Lewis

Ranger…umm…neutral evil though, but I’m not Republican evil.

I’ll stick with my party, including following any moral codes they insist on following, and I also really don’t want the world to be destroyed, I keep all my stuff here. Just keep the paladin from being TOO annoying.

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:47:28pm

re: #97 William Lewis

Mitch is a lich. I need a paladin, a ranger, a cleric of light and a wizard to help this rogue destroy his phylactery. Level 12 + Only Good alignment accepted.

Lawful evil would be against the GOP right now.

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:49:16pm

re: #156 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Holy balls, Deadpool. Democrats are taking this election seriously.

A detail in the blog:

All of this energy at the end of the month helped make September the biggest dollar month in ActBlue’s history, with $184,841,230 raised by passionate small-dollar donors.

Dems donated $50M more in September than they did in the entire 2016 quarter. I suspect 2020 will look a lot different than 2016.

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Interesting Times  Oct 6, 2018 • 7:50:11pm

re: #154 teleskiguy

Here’s another version depicting today’s events:

Facebook Post

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:01:45pm

HAHAHA (thread)

h/t balloon-juice.com

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:14:08pm
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:14:51pm

re: #154 teleskiguy

That was the most spontaneous and not-at-all contrived thing I’ve ever seen in my life.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:26:37pm

I think I’ve seen this movie. The glasses just one more refinement to show the hidden messages. and the aliens.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:26:53pm

This is my verified Twitter account. I have no other Twitter account, nor do I have a Facebook account. Profile photo is copyrighted: (c)️RonJaffePhotography

Someone must have a use/miuse for this Copyrighted image.

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mmmirele  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:29:50pm

Very few people here in Japan, I imagine, care about the internal woes of the USA. I’m on a shinkansen train heading to Kyushu, it’s a three day weekend, and the train was packed (standing) with fans of the Hiroshima Carp, who are in a playoff. America is a long way away.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:35:21pm

re: #164 Single-handed sailor

These glasses BLOCK any LCD/LED screens distracting your vision!

I think I’ve seen this movie. The glasses just one more refinement to show the hidden messages. and the aliens.

They’re all LCD screens! They used to be backlit by cold-cathode fluorescent tubes, now they’re backlit by “LEDs” (actually blue-LED-pumped fluorescents). [/pet peeve]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:35:24pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

Bale and Oldman together again? Sign me the fuck up.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:40:25pm

re: #165 I Would Prefer Not To

This is my verified Twitter account. I have no other Twitter account, nor do I have a Facebook account. Profile photo is copyrighted: (c)️RonJaffePhotography

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Someone must have a use/miuse for this Copyrighted image.

I’m surprised the lens didn’t crack AND that the computer tweaking the pic didn’t have a processor overload!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:41:03pm

re: #167 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re all LCD screens! They used to be backlit by cold-cathode fluorescent tubes, now they’re backlit by “LEDs” (actually blue-LED-pumped fluorescents). [/pet peeve]

They wouldn’t work on an OLED display.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:41:50pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

Bale and Oldman together again? Sign me the fuck up.

If you’re talking about Gary Oldman, he’s not in the film.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:42:36pm

re: #170 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They wouldn’t work on an OLED display.

Yeah, or plasma either, but those are a very, very small minority.

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mmmirele  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:44:09pm

re: #83 William Lewis

Everyone needs to decide how far they’re willing to go to resist. I was in the Army and consider myself still bound by my oath. I’ll be in the boonies if it comes to that.

I took an oath to uphold the Constitution when I was sworn in as a lawyer. I assume it’s still valid. As to what that means, your gues is as good as mine.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:44:41pm

re: #164 Single-handed sailor

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I think I’ve seen this movie. The glasses just one more refinement to show the hidden messages. and the aliens.

I have to wear polarized lenses. They don’t blank out TV screens but they sure distort them when I am a distance away. Sometimes different parts of an LCD or plasma screen have black spots or blotches.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:52:21pm

Well, I know everybody’s (justifiably) depressed by today’s events. Kavanaugh’s decisions will be horrendous, but I think what people worry about most is the SCOTUS ruling that a sitting President is above the law—that theory being Kavanaugh’s selling point.

I’m sure Thomas and Gorsuch will go along with that, and I don’t know enough about Alito to have an opinion, but I have a feeling that might be a bridge too far for Roberts. He probably doesn’t want to literally, explicitly overturn landmark decisions like Roe, Griswold, Brown, etc., either—gotta keep up appearances. Just keep whittling away at their implementation.

IMO, it will be easier to deal with that later than starting from scratch with a complete overturn. Now if tRump gets to replace Ginsburg or Breyer, then it’s all over….

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:54:58pm

re: #175 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Roberts was the swing vote in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius. There is precedent to your argument. And I totally agree about Breyer and Ginsburg.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:55:19pm

re: #175 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, I know everybody’s (justifiably) depressed by today’s events. Kavanaugh’s decisions will be horrendous, but I think what people worry about most is the SCOTUS ruling that a sitting President is above the law—that theory being Kavanaugh’s selling point.

I’m sure Thomas and Gorsuch will go along with that, and I don’t know enough about Alito to have an opinion, but I have a feeling that might be a bridge too far for Roberts. He probably doesn’t want to literally, explicitly overturn landmark decisions like Roe, Griswold, Brown, etc.—gotta keep up appearances. Just keep whittling away at their implementation.

IMO, it will be easier to deal with that later than starting from scratch with a complete overturn. Now if tRump gets to replace Ginsburg or Breyer, then it’s all over….

I hope you’re right and Roberts doesn’t feel emboldened by the court’s move to the most right it’s been in decades.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 6, 2018 • 8:55:34pm

ever the optimist

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:00:22pm

re: #178 Single-handed sailor

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ever the optimist

He has to be, it’s the only way he keeps his job at this point. If he ever voices to Donny the reality that this is a fool’s errand, he’ll be reading his termination notice on his Twitter feed.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:01:35pm

re: #178 Single-handed sailor

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ever the optimist

you spelled idiot wrong

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:02:23pm

I honestly didn’t realize how fuddy-duddy geezer old these assholes are.

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cat-tikvah  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:04:27pm

From this evening’s #KremlinAnnex gathering, going nightly outside the White House since the Helsinki summit, featuring NYC’s Sing Out, Louise. Song parodies and satire to lift spirits on a dark day in DC.
Includes “Singin’ to the Feds”, “Mar-a-Lago”, and many more.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:07:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:08:48pm

re: #183 jaunte

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Yeah you found a random person who loves Trump. How revealing.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:08:53pm

re: #183 jaunte

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Once upon a time, the wingnuts liked to lie about how “people” were boasting out loud in public about how much they loved the man.

Now they tell us that they’re getting these assurances in hushed tones and in secretive meetings.

And yet, they think this somehow proves that the man’s popularity is larger than the press reports.

Whatever helps them sleep at night, I suppose.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:09:50pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

If you’re talking about Gary Oldman, he’s not in the film.

I was and yes, I see that now. For some reason I misread the cast list on imdb.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:10:07pm

Btw noticed Schlaap’s name in Kavanaugh’s emails in the Bush years. Yeah this movement is soooo anti. Washington establishment.//

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wheat-dogg  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:10:20pm

re: #181 teleskiguy

I’m 62, and most of those guys are old enough to be my father.

Actually, *all* of them are, but I’m not sure how sexually active Mitch was at age 14.

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Brian J.  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:10:59pm

re: #181 teleskiguy

I honestly didn’t realize how fuddy-duddy geezer old these assholes are.

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Dianne Feinstein is the oldest senator, about three months older than Grassley. Pat Leahy is 78 and his state’s occasional junior senator is 77.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:11:45pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:11:50pm

re: #189 Brian J.

Dianne Feinstein is the oldest senator, about three months older than Grassley. Pat Leahy is 78 and his state’s occasional junior senator is 77.

Not exactly representative of the electorate. Just sayin’.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:12:42pm

re: #188 wheat-dogg

I’m 62, and most of those guys are old enough to be my father.

Actually, *all* of them are, but I’m not sure how sexually active Mitch was at age 14.

Sans Mitch, they’re all older than my grandpa was when he died. All are older than my other grandfather. I’m not for term limits necessarily but it is depressing that these guys thumb prints will sti be on the judiciary for as long as they will be.

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makeitstop  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:13:19pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

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Christian Bale nails Cheney’s mannerisms. Steve Carell does a pretty good Rumsfeld, too.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:13:56pm

re: #175 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This is what Americans wanted when they voted to keep the Senate in Republican hands in 2016. They had the opportunity to vote in Democrats so that all three bodies wouldn’t be under Republican control. They decided not to so here we are. I’m exhausted from being mad all the time. I hope voters do better in November.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:14:25pm

re: #193 makeitstop

Christian Bale nails Cheney’s mannerisms. Steve Carell does a pretty good Rumsfeld, too.

Yeah I was pretty impressed by the trailer. I think Sam Rockwell will give us the best W yet. He’s great at aw shucks types that have a dark side.

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KGxvi  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:14:43pm

re: #189 Brian J.

Dianne Feinstein is the oldest senator, about three months older than Grassley. Pat Leahy is 78 and his state’s occasional junior senator is 77.

12 Senators under the age of 50. Another 23 in their 50s.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:14:48pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Sans Mitch, they’re all older than my grandpa was when he died. All are older than my other grandfather. I’m not for term limits necessarily but it is depressing that these guys thumb prints will sti be on the judiciary for as long as they will be.

So Grassley was born in 1933? How…synchronistic.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:17:04pm

re: #197 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So Grassley was born in 1933? How…synchronistic.

Yep. First elected to state office in 1959. My mom was born that year and she’s already retired from the Feds.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:17:09pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Yeah I was pretty impressed by the trailer. I think Sam Rockwell will give us the best W yet. He’s great at aw shucks types that have a dark side.

Damn, Bale gained 40lbs to play Cheney.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:17:44pm

re: #196 KGxvi

12 Senators under the age of 50. Another 23 in their 50s.

And you ain’t even covering the racial and gender breakdown

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:17:59pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn, Bale gained 40lbs to play Cheney.

Method acting is a hell of a drug.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:18:11pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn, Bale gained 40lbs to play Cheney.

Yeah heard that earlier. He’s dedicated to his roles.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:18:17pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn, Bale gained 40lbs to play Cheney.

Reminds me of what Robert DeNiro did in Raging Bull packing on a lot of pounds!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:18:50pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

Method acting is a hell of a drug.

Yep. I hope no kittens were strangled in Bale’s preparation tho.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:19:20pm

re: #203 Joe Bacon 🌹

Reminds me of what Robert DeNiro did in Raging Bull packing on a lot of pounds!

Got really sick if I remember reading right.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:20:11pm

The problem is though we think the other guys being in too long is the problem.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:20:22pm

re: #203 Joe Bacon 🌹

Reminds me of what Robert DeNiro did in Raging Bull packing on a lot of pounds!

Bob gained *80 lbs* for the role of Jake LaMotta, for only a handful of scenes at the beginning and end of Raging Bull.

BTW, Jake LaMotta died last year, he was 95.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:20:40pm

Only a matter of time before we get one of those 5-4 decisions that allow ads like this to come back!

Why not, since the EPA now says that radiation is good for you!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:22:50pm

I’ve suspected for a long time that the rotten bastards were doing this, and I have even mentioned these suspicions here at LGF. Too many specific, and provably false and misleading, Boeing talking points were making their way into general media coverage of SpaceX. This has nothing to do with Elon Musk’s evident personal problems, but with the company and its products.
Boeing may have used a lobbying firm to plant a scathing opinion piece about SpaceX in US news outlets. At stake is billions of dollars in NASA contracts.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:24:14pm

re: #196 KGxvi

12 Senators under the age of 50. Another 23 in their 50s.

Well, Patty Murray will be 68 in 5 days, and I’ll continue to vote for her as long as she chooses to run.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:29:24pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve suspected for a long time that the rotten bastards were doing this, and have even mentioned these suspicions here at LGF. Too many specific, and provably false and misleading, Boeing talking points were making their way into general media coverage of SpaceX. This has nothing to do with Elon Musk’s evident personal problems, but with the company and its products.
Boeing may have used a lobbying firm to plant a scathing opinion piece about SpaceX in US news outlets. At stake is billions of dollars in NASA contracts.

Yeah, I think of Elon Musk, Tesla never even enters my mind—I only think of SpaceX, who are definitely the Good Guys™ in this particular race. And he’s definitely going to have to go a lot crazier than he has so far for me to prefer Bezos to win out.

And that’s even with my absolute confidence that the BFR will never fly….

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sagehen  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:31:25pm

re: #197 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So Grassley was born in 1933? How…synchronistic.

So…

Too young to fight in WWII, too old to be drafted for Vietnam

He was 21 when Brown v Board was decided
He was 24 when Ike sent the national guard to Arkansas
He was 31 when the Civil Rights Act was passed
He was 32 when the Voting Rights Act was passed
He was 39 when Roe v Wade was decided

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:33:21pm
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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:33:51pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:34:35pm

re: #188 wheat-dogg

I’m 62, and most of those guys are old enough to be my father.

Actually, *all* of them are, but I’m not sure how sexually active Mitch was at age 14.

with humans or goats?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:34:37pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Needless to say, Boeing also owns a whole pack of corrupt Congress-rats. These two elements, corrupt media and corrupt politicians, in fact work in tandem: Misleading the public (or more correctly the small proportion that is paying attention) provides cover and a rationale for Congress-critters when they pressure NASA on behalf of Boeing and its partners in the would-be space monopoly.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:38:53pm

re: #183 jaunte

Matt Schlapp ✔
@mschlapp
Went to a store today. The owner saw me and walked up w a serious look. She proceeded to whisper how much she loved Trump. This is a thing.

8:12 PM - Oct 6, 2018

Matt Schlapp - American Conservative Union Chairman and former vice president of federal affairs at Koch Companies Public Sector, LLC.
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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:41:49pm

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:43:26pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve suspected for a long time that the rotten bastards were doing this, and have even mentioned these suspicions here at LGF. Too many specific, and provably false and misleading, Boeing talking points were making their way into general media coverage of SpaceX. This has nothing to do with Elon Musk’s evident personal problems, but with the company and its products.
Boeing may have used a lobbying firm to plant a scathing opinion piece about SpaceX in US news outlets. At stake is billions of dollars in NASA contracts.

Boeing is an old hand at this shit. When they got caught trying to scam the USAF into paying way more to lease tankers than buy them outright, they went along with a suggestion for a contract competition. Then when EADS/Northrop Grumman won the contract, largely because they bought a better design to the table, Boeing used their influence in Congress to get the results tossed and demand a “new” competition. And (surprise, surprise) they won largely on Congressional pressure to “Buy American.”

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:45:16pm

re: #218 teleskiguy

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:50:53pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:51:56pm

re: #221 jaunte

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The “trial” is over and yet the prosecution keeps demanding that the women they feel so sorry for turn over evidence that they feel necessary to exonerate…the defendant.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:53:26pm

Elon Musk isn’t helping matters by going Howard Hughes on us. He needs to go into rehab, or retire to a private island somewhere or otherwise somehow get his shit together. There is a lot at stake here and a lot more people than just him are affected.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:55:59pm

re: #222 Targetpractice

The “trial” is over and yet the prosecution keeps demanding that the women they feel so sorry for turn over evidence that they feel necessary to exonerate…the defendant.

They know there’s more out there. They’re still trying to manipulate the message and extend the coverup.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 9:59:24pm

re: #224 jaunte

They know there’s more out there. They’re still trying to manipulate the message and extend the coverup.

Of course. Now that they’ve seated Kavanaugh, they can drop the act and go after her the way they wanted to from the beginning.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:05:14pm

Fuck, man.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:14:06pm

re: #223 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Elon Musk isn’t helping matters by going Howard Hughes on us. He needs to go into rehab, or retire to a private island somewhere or otherwise somehow get his shit together. There is a lot at stake here and a lot more people than just him are affected.

I’m so tired of his unhinged egotistical bullshit. It’s obvious what the “funding secured” stunt was all about, he got Tesla’s board to approve a contract that gave him enormous stock options for hitting certain market cap targets, the first one kicks in at $100 Billion, they’re at $48 Billion now. The stunt was sloppy and stupid and the SEC slapped him pretty hard for it. He’s angry that he wasn’t able to make himself rich on hype and has to actually back it up with long term engineering and productivity wins.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:17:50pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

I’m so tired of his unhinged egotistical bullshit. It’s obvious what the “funding secured” stunt was all about, he got Tesla’s board to approve a contract that gave him enormous stock options for hitting certain market cap targets, the first one kicks in at $100 Billion, they’re at $48 Billion now. The stunt was sloppy and stupid and the SEC slapped him pretty hard for it. He’s angry that he wasn’t able to make himself rich on hype and has to actually back it up with long term engineering and productivity wins.

They also really fucked up the UI with the latest OS update, and I told them so:

You used to be able to have any two apps up or maximize certain apps to full screen. Now the Navigation map is up all the time and you can only have one other app running in the bottom half of the screen. Oh, but they added classic Atari video games that you can play when the car is “off” to make up for this colossal blunder.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:22:01pm

re: #221 jaunte

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Nothing would give more joy to the assholes at National Racists Online than driving Dr. Ford to suicide.

That would rank right up there when the New York Times, Washington Post and Los Angeles times all ganged up to destroy Gary Webb and drive him to suicide.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:25:04pm

re: #218 teleskiguy

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:25:30pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

he got Tesla’s board to approve a contract that gave him enormous stock options for hitting certain market cap targets, the first one kicks in at $100 Billion, they’re at $48 Billion now.

Oops, they’re at $44.69 Billion market cap now, lost another 7% on Friday. This is what happens when your CEO destroys his own credibility. I still think my Dad made the right choice buying the P100D, if for no other reason than he’s an 80 year old retired electrical engineer, deserves to own the pinnacle of consumer electrical engineering and doesn’t have a ton of time to wait for it.

Also, whatever shakes out with Elon and Tesla that car is an instant classic and piece of history.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:28:57pm

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sagehen  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:30:02pm

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nothing would give more joy to the assholes at National Racists Online than driving Dr. Ford to suicide.

That would rank right up there when the New York Times, Washington Post and Los Angeles times all ganged up to destroy Gary Webb and drive him to suicide.

I don’t for a minute believe they drove Gary Webb to suicide.

Nobody commits suicide by shooting himself twice in the back of the head. Nobody. I’m not buying it.

But the CIA has ways of convincing a coroner to say he did.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:45:13pm
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uriel  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:47:49pm

re: #114 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s kind of funny, now I think about it. Mrs. Fish is a thoroughbred Viking. I’m an Irishman with some Scotch blood. Needless to say, drinking games can become blood sport in our house if we’re in the wrong (right?) mood. And as always, we salute our first drink of the night with our respective salutes, “Skol / Slainte”.

Ahhh, you Celtic types are so cute with your imagined affinity for the ethyl.

Trust me, coming from the scion of Russians and Cossacks, we look at your “drinking games,” sigh, lift our coffee cups of vodka, and think, ‘if only we had catchy songs and pleasant dispositions, it would be St. Petersburg’s day.”

I mean, let’s be honest- who does maudlin drunk better than the Slavs?

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 10:54:20pm

What I would like to see is Dr. Ford’s attorneys tell Grassley publicly that their client’s cooperation with the SJC was predicated upon the belief that there was a genuine interest in investigating her allegations against Brett Kavanaugh. And that, with the publication of the FBI’s whitewash and the subsequent confirmation of Kavanaugh, their client feels any further cooperation will be in support of the GOP’s naked efforts to attack their opponents and she has no interest in being a party to that. So if they want those documents, they had better be prepared to go to court over them.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:09:57pm
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ericblair  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:11:21pm

re: #213 jaunte

This is absolutely incredible and a true reflection of how our country’s citizens feel about the forced upon swearing in of a drunken, lying, sexual predator. A rapist endorsed by this sham of an administration. We must show up in even greater numbers for midterm elections!

The goopers will expect the anti-Kavanaugh protests and evidence to stop immediately now. They are soulless political hacks, so figure the opposition to Drunky McRapist was a political stunt and therefore will be summarily shut down. The only anger they understand is the anger of the powerful against the powerless, so the idea that people can be genuinely outraged at injustice is completely alien.

Also remember that the people who want to destroy the Dems as a political force are all of a sudden trying to make the Dems stop confronting them and stop protesting. For our own political good, you see.

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thecommodore  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:12:12pm

re: #72 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Roe vs Wade is tops on the list for sure… not for love of babies.. that’s a distant tertiary point in all this- the strict placement of women in society is the clear goal.

But Roe vs Wade is just the appetizer. Brown vs Board of Education going bye-bye, allowing the Banning of Evolution in schools, are coming. And a couple of Constitutional Amendements are coming as well- first of which is to Establish “Christianity” as the basis on the country, and another Amendment stating English as the Official language.

I don’t think they’ll be satisfied with overturning Roe and letting abortion “go back to the states.” I think there will be attempts to pass a nationwide abortion ban, especially if they keep control of Congress. If they don’t then sometime later.

I think overturning Obergefell is on their radar too. Griswold as well, though both won’t be as easy as Roe.

After that, abolishing the EPA, Dept. Of Education, curtailing protests, and passing Mark Levin’s “Liberty Amendments.”

Yeah, it’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

*sad face*

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wheat-dogg  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:13:46pm

It had to happen sooner or later.

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Targetpractice  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:20:52pm

They won’t set out to overturn RvW overnight, they’ll nibble at the edges in a way that will render it a dead letter. Such as making it constitutional for states and local governments to effectively ban abortion clinics by imposing costly and ridiculous “women’s health” regulations upon them. Or ruling that states may impose cut-off points for abortions earlier than Roe’s because of “medical advances” or whatever excuse they wish to make. There is any number of ways they could gut RvW and yet leave it standing, giving hacks like Collins the cover to say “See, they didn’t overturn it!”

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wheat-dogg  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:33:40pm

Does Melania choose her own wardrobe, or is her lady-in-waiting completely tone-deaf?

Cases in point:

The coat emblazoned with “I don’t really care. Do you?” worn shortly after visiting a disaster area.

The snow-white pith helmet and safari outfit worn during her sub-Saharan Africa tour.

The Indiana Jones cosplay outfit worn during her interview with the Pyramids in the background.

Plus her evening gowns that look like shower curtains and her formal wear that looks like she’s going to her junior high prom.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:35:00pm

re: #242 wheat-dogg

She’s Fuckface Von Clownstick’s wife, and up to the task.

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teleskiguy  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:36:38pm

Thanks for the warm words, you know who you are. I’m doing okay. I’m a little numb, TBH.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:46:41pm

re: #242 wheat-dogg

Whoever it is, they’re doing it on purpose. This shit isn’t “tone-deaf”.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 6, 2018 • 11:56:32pm

re: #245 Sufficient unto the day…

Whoever it is, they’re doing it on purpose. This shit isn’t “tone-deaf”.

The African get-up was clearly a nod to the British colonists in Africa. The Panama hat/linen suit get-up was also a nod to British colonialism, something that Egyptians probably would prefer not to remember.

FWIW wearing white clothing in poorer parts of the world was a deliberate choice of the well-to-do, as a way to flaunt their wealth and power. Poor people don’t have the time or money to keep white clothes clean and dust-free.

Wait for it:

Monty Python - He must be a king

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:13:17am

re: #83 William Lewis

Everyone needs to decide how far they’re willing to go to resist. I was in the Army and consider myself still bound by my oath. I’ll be in the boonies if it comes to that.

I’m willing to get arrested while protesting. My girls want to go to protests with me, but I won’t take them there if that is a chance. .

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:36:43am

Another precedent the GOP can take away from all this is they don’t even have to bother feigning “concern” anymore when one of their own is accused of sexual harassment/assault. All they have to do is get loud and indignant, accuse the victim(s) of “smearing” a man’s “good name,” and say that if there’s not enough evidence to secure a criminal conviction then the matter isn’t even worth looking into.

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Chrysicat  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:52:48am
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JC1  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:03:30am

re: #231 goddamnedfrank

Oops, they’re at $44.69 Billion market cap now, lost another 7% on Friday. This is what happens when your CEO destroys his own credibility. I still think my Dad made the right choice buying the P100D, if for no other reason than he’s an 80 year old retired electrical engineer, deserves to own the pinnacle of consumer electrical engineering and doesn’t have a ton of time to wait for it.

Also, whatever shakes out with Elon and Tesla that car is an instant classic and piece of history.

In fairness, the whole market dumped over the last 2 trading days; TSLA just went along for the ride. But yeah, it seems that Musk needs an extended vacation; he’s burning out/cracking.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:23:09am

re: #239 thecommodore

I don’t think they’ll be satisfied with overturning Roe and letting abortion “go back to the states.” I think there will be attempts to pass a nationwide abortion ban, especially if they keep control of Congress. If they don’t then sometime later.

I think overturning Obergefell is on their radar too. Griswold as well, though both won’t be as easy as Roe.

After that, abolishing the EPA, Dept. Of Education, curtailing protests, and passing Mark Levin’s “Liberty Amendments.”

Yeah, it’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

*sad face*

I’m not so sanguine.

If the Democrats can take back the HoR, they can launch a major investigation via the House Judiciary Committee into Kavanaugh. While it may well prove impossible to remove him via trial in the US Senate, I think they could generate a good deal of heat - and outrage. And if it gets hot enough, and I mean really hot, the other SCOUTS Justices could well start putting pressure on Kavanaugh to resign; it’s bad optics, to say the least.

Beyond that (and I admit it’s only a slim possibility that Judge Drinky would resign) the next best thing to do is vote the GOP into electoral oblivion in 2020. Take the House, the Senate and the Presidency and immediately get to work on nullifying every single damn thing Trump has done and be public about it. Openly state, “Our goal is to nullify everything former President Trump has done and, in essence, reduce him - and his supporters - to a mere footnote in history”.

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teleskiguy  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:39:52am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:47:48am

re: #249 Chrysicat

Fascist Portugal also fell without intervention from liberal democracies (Salazar’s Estado Novo).

Salazar’s regime covertly aided the Franco revolt, though Portugal was officially neutral in WW2.

With the advent of Portugal’s colonial wars, a million people fled Portugal unwilling to fight in its colonies (primarily to France) and another million fled unwilling to live under fascism (primarily to the USA).

Salazar had a stroke in 1968 and a replacement was appointed (he died in 1970). In the 1969 and 1973 their fascist party won every seat in the National Assembly.

Although his authoritarian replacement tried to bring in very modest liberal reforms, he had to expend all his political capital with the conservatives to get them, and they were abolished in 1974.

What ended fascism in Portugal was when it wanted to join the European Economic Community in 1980. The EEC placed requirements to liberalise trade and political participation.

It was actually trade that ended the Estado Novo regime.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:51:17am
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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:55:33am

re: #254 Single-handed sailor

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“What she does”? Besides pose for a very expensive photo shoot, what has she been doing that we should pay attention to?

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:00:08am

re: #255 Targetpractice

Look at how hard she worked on her anti-bullying campaign. The change in online behavior is incredible.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:10:22am

re: #256 Single-handed sailor

Look at how hard she worked on her anti-bullying campaign. The change in online behavior is incredible.

Notice how POTUS has turned down his rhetoric on Twitter, for example.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:13:05am

re: #254 Single-handed sailor

That photo. She looks like the female version of the Nazi archaeologist in “Raiders of the Lost Ark.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:16:31am

According to the National Hurricane Center, Potential Tropical Cyclone 14 has a 100% chance of becoming a tropical storm. They expect it still to slam into the north Gulf cost around Alabama or Mississippi, and still have it as a tropical depression over Washington DC later in the week.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:18:33am

What idiots go out shopping on Thanksgiving? Who can even move after dinner?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:25:30am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:34:03am

re: #260 Single-handed sailor

Speaking as a person that works in a big box retailer, when it comes to Thanksgiving shopping…

You Are Not Prepared

Seriously, I think we do more business by dollar value on Thanksgiving than Black Friday, and we do orders of magnitude more by number of items sold.

Need that last minute can of evaporated milk for the dresssing? Bag of stuffing mix? Cranberry sauce? A frozen turkey that you can explode your house with because you don’t know how to cook it? Clothes to replace the ones that were incinerated when you tried to cook turkey and burnt your house down?

Yep.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:38:05am

Ann Telnaes was the creator of that GOP logo.

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:45:04am

re: #263 Single-handed sailor

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“Freedom of speech! Freedom of expression! Free…HEY, I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE! ARREST THAT MAN!!!”

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:47:02am

That would be horrible!

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:48:41am

re: #265 Single-handed sailor

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That would be horrible!

Yet they think it’s a total outrage that you can’t smoke a cigarette in a restaurant anymore.

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Varek Raith  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:00:49am

Good morning.
Just got back from a nice train ride to NJ.
Playing fallout shelter on the way home, I realized Butch was the smartest one in the Vault.
Zod help them all.
xD

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:36:07am

Good, Nunes is still leading in the polls.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:41:29am

goodnight

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:45:41am
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Nyet  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:55:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:12:06am

re: #254 Single-handed sailor

FLOTUS⁩ tells reporters in Egypt she wishes people would focus on what she does, not what she wears

“Don’t focus on what I wear!” says former fashion model.

Meanwhile what about Obama’s tan suit and Michelle’s sleeveless gown?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:14:12am

For those who think Chief Justice John Roberts cares about his reputation or that of the Supreme Court, don’t hold your breath. Remember his first concern as a conservative is gaining and maintaining power.

Remember those judicial complaints forwarded to him about Brett Kavanaugh? About those:

washingtonpost.com

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has received more than a dozen judicial misconduct complaints in recent weeks against Brett M. Kavanaugh, who was confirmed as a Supreme Court justice Saturday, but has chosen for the time being not to refer them to a judicial panel for investigation.

A judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit — the court on which Kavanaugh serves — passed on to Roberts a string of complaints the court received starting three weeks ago, said four people familiar with the matter.

That judge, Karen LeCraft Henderson, had dismissed other complaints against Kavanaugh as frivolous, but she concluded that some were substantive enough that they should not be handled by Kavanaugh’s fellow judges in the D.C. Circuit.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:33:35am

Rick Santorum mansplains Kavanaugh anger to CNN women: ‘This is really more about the left’ (Raw Story, more at the link, with video of the exchange). And CNN of course, wanting to explain the complaints of rape and assault victims, millions of women and many men, of course turn to Rick Santorum on yet another Cletus Safari:

Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum appeared on CNN Saturday afternoon, joining a panel of women.

Host Dana Bash opened the segment by talking about how Kavanaugh’s confirmation was “incredibly emotional” for women. She said she’d been getting texts from other women who were angry and sad about the development.

Santorum quickly cut her off to explain how the women protesting Kavanaugh were actually feeling.

“Candidly, I think it’s more than that,” Santorum said. “Look, this is, this is really more about the left in American than it is about women.”

Santorum then said there was “a last minute attempt to weaponize the #MeToo movement” to keep the accused rapist off the Supreme Court.

“They used it because the stakes were so high,” Santorum said. “The vast majority of [the protestors] are people who opposed Brett Kavanaugh from the beginning and saw an opportunity to stop him.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:38:11am

(fixed link in previous comment, refresh)

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Varek Raith  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:41:15am

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

God damn I wanna kick that guy…

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:45:28am

So many Backpfeifengesichts, so little time.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:57:21am

re: #254 Single-handed sailor

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You mean the ultimate do as I say not as I do?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 7, 2018 • 5:33:37am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 5:35:38am

re: #279 goddamnedfrank

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Belittling a sexual assault victim too.

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MsJ  Oct 7, 2018 • 5:35:39am

re: #74 TedStriker

Lookie, lookie what dropped into my spam folder:

and this one:

I”M RICH, RICH!!!

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I’m used to getting Nigerian prince (et al) spam like that in email. We got one in snail mail last week. Postmarked from France. From a “bank vault manager”.

I had to read it twice because I didn’t believe it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 7, 2018 • 5:36:02am

re: #279 goddamnedfrank

Interestingly, this NYT analysis that concludes this may be the best week of Trump’s presidency - NAFTA deal, good jobs report, Kavanaugh confirmed - does not even mention the NYT’s own story this week reporting that he committed extensive criminal fraud.

Because they know that he will see no negative personal consequences for criminal tax fraud and if he does, he can just pardon himself and all involved…

We are truly fucked.

I will feel better if the Dems pull out a solid majority in the mid-terms, but Trump is now untouchable.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 5:52:39am

re: #279 goddamnedfrank

This is the week he became presidential.

They’re never going to get off this crap, are they?

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A Mom Anon  Oct 7, 2018 • 5:57:48am

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know about anyone else, but if it took me more than a couple of days to get into the substance of any job I ever had, I’d have been let go. This sack of bloated protoplasm has had almost 2 YEARS to be “presidential”. But it’s liberals who are all weak and snowflakey, sure.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 5:59:09am

Maybe one of these outside Congress? (8:43)

Can a Person escape a human-sized Glue Trap?

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:03:10am

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

This is the week he became presidential.

They’re never going to get off this crap, are they?

He doesn’t have to be presidential to be effective and the MSM is fine with that as are Republicans as a whole. Trump has changed what it means to be a President for the worse. I don’t know how we go back from here.

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jeffreyw  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:17:18am

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Good morning!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:28:06am
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:30:34am
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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:31:27am

re: #279 goddamnedfrank

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And this is the shit that they use to blunt any of the actual blockbuster exposes they actually report as actual news. How many days were spent on Trump’s open tax fraud and corruption dating back to his father, before they returned to blowing smoke up his ass and marveling how good of a politician he must be to weather this storm?

Reminder how long they dogged Benghazi, EMAILZ, and any other Dem scandal.

Outlets like NYT have fully given themselves up to the fucking cult out of blind idiotic hope that maybe this, THIS will finally inure them to the conservatives who keep beating them with sticks. This will be the thing that finally makes them their friends!!

And thus shit only will ever get worse.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:43:32am

re: #288 I Would Prefer Not To

We’ll see in November if they vote for Republicans in November like they voted for Trump in 2016.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:46:33am

re: #287 jeffreyw

Whoa, perfect shot at a perfect moment. Nat Geo quality shot right there.

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makeitstop  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:55:04am

In order to get away from Kavapalooza on Friday, my wife and I hit the road and drove up to Bear Mountain for some hiking and quiet. After visiting their zoo and having a beer at the lodge, we drove up to the summit of the mountain, and of course I had my camera with me.

I was snapping away at nearby stuff when my wife asked ‘Is that Manhattan?’

Odd question to ask, out in the middle of nowhere. But she pointed off in a general direction and I finally saw what she was talking about. I swapped lenses for a telephoto and got this shot.

It’s about 50 miles from Manhattan to Bear Mountain. Despite overall graininess, this is now one of my favorite photos.

It must look pretty spectacular at night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 6:59:24am

Tropical Depression 14 forms. It is expected to become a hurricane before hitting the central or northeastern US Gulf Coast. It is also expected to be a tropical storm near Virginia Beach on Friday, after moving through Ga., SC, and NC.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:06:26am

Makes me weep and shake with anger.

To the editor: As a regular volunteer visitor for several years to the Adelanto ICE Processing Center, a detention facility for immigrants, I attest to the physical neglect and horrendous diet imposed on the people who are kept there. These are individuals who miss their children and are trying to support each other.

All I can do, after guards make me wait hours and reluctantly let me see prisoners, is listen to their stories and validate their humanity. Can’t our government do the same?

Nan Deane Cano, Westlake Village

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:12:38am

JOBS!! JOBS!! JOBS!!!!! (going away)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:13:55am

re: #293 makeitstop

In order to get away from Kavapalooza on Friday, my wife and I hit the road and drove up to Bear Mountain for some hiking and quiet. After visiting their zoo and having a beer at the lodge, we drove up to the summit of the mountain, and of course I had my camera with me.

I was snapping away at nearby stuff when my wife asked ‘Is that Manhattan?’

Odd question to ask, out in the middle of nowhere. But she pointed off in a general direction and I finally saw what she was talking about. I swapped lenses for a telephoto and got this shot.

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It’s about 50 miles from Manhattan to Bear Mountain. Despite overall graininess, this is now one of my favorite photos.

It must look pretty spectacular at night.

Actually, it would not be visible at night.

The effect is called a superior mirage (Wikipedia explanation)

Such a mirage occurs when the air over the city is colder than the air above, causing the light rays from the distant object to bend along the curve of the earth.

Superior mirages often cause Chicago to be seen in Michigan.

Such mirages are also used in many YouTube videos to “prove” Earth is really flat, as the horizon according to their so-called “globe heads” standing on the ground is 2.9 miles.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:15:47am

re: #289 Barefoot Grin

An insidious rise in hateful actions and anti-Semitism is happening in Virginia and across the country. We must meet it with fierce condemnation and an over-abundance of love and unity. We cannot allow hate to fester.

Love of and unity with your fellow good guys, NOT the people who did this. For them, keep your powder dry.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:16:25am

re: #142 Belafon

My college son had to come to the house for something, so we talked about him making it in to do early voting. A couple of weeks ago, the campus had a voter registration drive, so I told him to make sure the students around him get out and vote as well, preferably early.

My youngest just registered to vote last week. He turned 18 on Aug. 24th, so at least 1 more vote for sanity in PA.

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makeitstop  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:17:28am

re: #297 Anymouse 🌹

Actually, it would not be visible at night.

The effect is called a superior mirage (Wikipedia explanation)

Such a mirage occurs when the air over the city is colder than the air above, causing the light rays from the distant object to bend along the curve of the earth.

Superior mirages often cause Chicago to be seen in Michigan.

Such mirages are also used in many YouTube videos to “prove” Earth is really flat, as the horizon according to their so-called “globe heads” standing on the ground is 2.9 miles.

Interesting. So that makes me all the more lucky for getting the shot.

Thanks for the info.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:17:57am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

JOBS!! JOBS!! JOBS!!!!! (going away)

Trump has been riding the economic wave created way back in the Obama years. Unemployment down, markets up, corporate profits up (thanks to the tax cut), but it won’t last forever. His tariffs on Chinese goods are not going to help the economy. Sooner or later, this house of cards is going to fall down, and I suspect it will be right in the middle of Trump’s term. Let’s see if he can brag about that!

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jeffreyw  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:20:22am

re: #292 Unshaken Defiance

Whoa, perfect shot at a perfect moment. Nat Geo quality shot right there.

Pure luck, but thanks!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:20:48am

re: #301 wheat-dogg

Trump has been riding the economic wave created way back in the Obama years. Unemployment down, markets up, corporate profits up (thanks to the tax cut), but it won’t last forever. His tariffs on Chinese goods are not going to help the economy. Sooner or later, this house of cards is going to fall down, and I suspect it will be right in the middle of Trump’s term. Let’s see if he can brag about that!

Consensus of finance types is that it all hits in late 2019. Election outcomes in 2018 could affect that, if they lead to saner policies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:21:31am

38 big degrees F here at 6AM Mystical Time. Today’s high 42, rain through Monday night, then snow through Tuesday night, then snow again on Thursday night. Brrr.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:25:31am

You gotta wonder about how Twitter “forces” you to follow people. I do not recall ever deciding to follow Miss World-Canada, but lo and behold, she has popped up in my TL and Twitter says I am following her.

She is gorgeous and I am sure she’s a nice person, being Canadian and all. But I don’t like someone else deciding whom I should follow, so buh-bye Hanna!

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:27:14am

re: #300 makeitstop

Interesting. So that makes me all the more lucky for getting the shot.

Thanks for the info.

Now you can create a YouTube channel and a Patroen account and start grifting from flat earthers. /s

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:29:39am

re: #295 Unshaken Defiance

Makes me weep and shake with anger.

All this happening while we hear what a victim Kavanaugh is.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:35:07am

re: #208 Joe Bacon 🌹

Only a matter of time before we get one of those 5-4 decisions that allow ads like this to come back!

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Why not, since the EPA now says that radiation is good for you!

And asbestos is just keen also

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:37:28am

re: #303 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Consensus of finance types is that it all hits in late 2019. Election outcomes in 2018 could affect that, if they lead to saner policies.

I wouldn’t count on that. Though the tariffs have hit some sectors hard, like soybean farmers, they are still small beans relative to a $20 trillion economy. Increases in firings always precede a recession, usually by about a year, and so far initial unemployment claims remain at 49 year lows.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:42:47am

A superior mirage can also cause the distant object to appear upside down in the sky (the source of legends about flying ships amongst seamen).

For example, here is a superior mirage of Chicago taken from Michigan, where the city appears upside down in the sky (use the zoom feature at Flickr to view it better).

Flickr

A mirage of Chicago’s skyline upside-down startled campers along Lake Michigan at Warren Dunes State Park in Bridgman April 18. Photo courtesy Joshua Super

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:45:23am

re: #260 Single-handed sailor

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What idiots go out shopping on Thanksgiving? Who can even move after dinner?

In my family we do our Thanksgiving meal around 2 in the afternoon. Not because we do Black Friday but because that has been my wifes family tradition for years.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:46:01am

re: #282 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because they know that he will see no negative personal consequences for criminal tax fraud and if he does, he can just pardon himself and all involved…

We are truly fucked.

I will feel better if the Dems pull out a solid majority in the mid-terms, but Trump is now untouchable.

Its up to us to touch him November 2020.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:46:35am

re: #265 Single-handed sailor

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That would be horrible!

Yes, more tax dollars and a more chill populace would be SUCH an awful thing!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:48:29am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

Man, they are getting trashed in the replies.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:50:56am

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, they are getting trashed in the replies.

They should be.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:54:46am

re: #268 Single-handed sailor

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Good, Nunes is still leading in the polls.

Nunes is one of the few Ca GOP incumbents who is pretty safe, unfortunately.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 7:57:41am

re: #316 Big Beautiful Door

Nunes is one of the few Ca GOP incumbents who is pretty safe, unfortunately.

His margins are shrinking, and the Kavanaugh effect (if any) hasn’t registered yet. A long shot, but worth doing.

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:00:03am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:00:37am

This trick from the movies actually worked; two inmates in Louisville escaped by hiding in the trash.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:00:45am

re: #309 Big Beautiful Door

I wouldn’t count on that. Though the tariffs have hit some sectors hard, like soybean farmers, they are still small beans relative to a $20 trillion economy. Increases in firings always precede a recession, usually by about a year, and so far initial unemployment claims remain at 49 year lows.

Who’s counting on anything? And they’re talking about the effect of the tax scam and overheated markets — as you point out, the tariffs aren’t that big a deal with respect to the whole economy.

Where was the increase in firings before the housing bubble burst?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:03:03am

re: #318 jaunte

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They’re a rotten party with or without Trump. This proves it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:03:41am

re: #320 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Who’s counting on anything? And they’re talking about the effect of the tax scam and overheated markets — as you point out, the tariffs aren’t that big a deal with respect to the whole economy.

Where was the increase in firings before the housing bubble burst?

The trough in initial unemployment claims was 22 months before the start of the Great Recession.

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:08:28am
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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:08:40am

It was mentioned before but…yeah….

The New York Times is compromised at its core. It’s only purpose now is to aid in the dismissal of any and all bad news for the regime at this point. The only time they seem to actually report serious shit now is so they can ignore it two days later and leave the impression that it’s inconsequential in the face of the God-King’s dominance.

re: #318 jaunte

Said it before too: Hate and Spite may as well be god almighty in this country. We’ll always seem to be playing from the back foot because no matter what polls seem to say, no matter what sins the GOP seems to commit, most of America will slit their throats before giving a ‘leftist’ their due, before actually treating a woman or a PoC like a human being. Hate and Spite seem like unassailable, invincible political forces, now more than ever.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:09:47am

Another factor to consider is that the employment population ratio among prime age workers is still at only 79.3%, so even with a 3.7% unemployment rate there is still room to increase employment without overheating the economy. Back in the nineties, the ratio was over 80% for several years, and it briefly got over 80% before the Great Recession.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:12:31am

I feel so uneasy about everything. The right’s gloating attitude about the confirmation. The not even attempting to hide that Kavanaugh will be a partisan vote on SCOTUS, see SHS’s tweet. The continued lying about Dr. Ford and her claim. All I can say to the Republicans who voted to confirm, you got what you wanted. Don’t act shocked when Kavanaugh acts like an asshole on SCOTUS.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:14:11am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

I feel so uneasy about everything. The right’s gloating attitude about the confirmation. The not even attempting to hide that Kavanaugh will be a partisan vote on SCOTUS, see SHS’s tweet. The continued lying about Dr. Ford and her claim. All I can say to the Republicans who voted to confirm, you got what you wanted. Don’t act shocked when Kavanaugh acts like an asshole on SCOTUS.

Look at their behavior. They’re banking on it. They want the performative and political cruelty to be up front and center. THey want us to be shown ‘you are literally beneath us, we will do what we can’t and all you can do now is suffer. We won. Fuck you, forever.’

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:15:17am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:15:37am

re: #327 Citizen K

Look at their behavior. They’re banking on it. They want the performative and political cruelty to be up front and center. THey want us to be shown ‘you are literally beneath us, we will do what we can’t and all you can do now is suffer. We won. Fuck you, forever.’

I hate that I have to share a country with these ugly fucekrs. I’m not giving up in the slightest because this country is worth saving but goddamn I hate like I’ve never hated ebfore.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:16:43am

re: #328 jaunte

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You’re a coward Cornyn just like your pal Kavanaugh. You’re not the victim of anything. You just don’t like being told the truth that you’re a sexual assault enabling asshole.

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calochortus  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:17:13am

Meanwhile, apparently Trump is going to announce he’s going to allow more ethanol in summer gas blends at a rally in…wait for it…Iowa.
Chiropractors nationwide need to be on the alert to treat injuries from wingnuts who make a U-turn in their opinions of ethanol too rapidly.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:19:15am

Twitter has restored me and issued a warning that I can no longer report any accounts and if I am found to “insult” certain people again (You guessed it right wingers) they will terminate my account.

Wow. Now I got to post some puppy pictures and see who will report me for “violating” Twitter rules…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:19:54am

re: #332 Joe Bacon 🌹

Twitter has restored me and issued a warning that I can no longer report any accounts and if I am found to “insult” certain people again (You guessed it right wingers) they will terminate my account.

Wow. Now I got to post some puppy pictures and see who will report me for “violating” Twitter rules…

Meanwhile they still allow actual Neo-Nazis to have account. Jack’s a joke.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:20:20am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I hate that I have to share a country with these ugly fucekrs. I’m not giving up in the slightest because this country is worth saving but goddamn I hate like I’ve never hated ebfore.

I have precious little faith in any sort of grand breakthrough anymore. I’m voting and speaking out because it needs to be said, but I’ve just been resigned to fatalism that this is what we are now, this is what we will be for the near- and long-term future. That there really is a silent majority of hate deciding they don’t have to be silent anymore, and that we’re going to be forever buried in it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:22:14am

re: #334 Citizen K

I have precious little faith in any sort of grand breakthrough anymore. I’m voting and speaking out because it needs to be said, but I’ve just been resigned to fatalism that this is what we are now, this is what we will be for the near- and long-term future. That there really is a silent majority of hate deciding they don’t have to be silent anymore, and that we’re going to be forever buried in it.

I can’t fall into that fatalism. I just can’t. But there’s something that goes beyond Trump that worries me. It’s that if/when we somehow get out of this. That voter amnesia will set in agai. The same stupid thinking that got us Bush in 2000 or Trump 16 years later could easily repeat itself. Nations make mistake but failing nations repeat their mistakes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:23:38am

re: #334 Citizen K

I have precious little faith in any sort of grand breakthrough anymore. I’m voting and speaking out because it needs to be said, but I’ve just been resigned to fatalism that this is what we are now, this is what we will be for the near- and long-term future. That there really is a silent majority of hate deciding they don’t have to be silent anymore, and that we’re going to be forever buried in it.

Np they aren’t the majority, and if the majority get out to vote in November, a lot of those assholes in Congress will be going home.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:23:46am

Special report: In Tennessee, a gun or threat is reported at school every 3 days

Yay for gun safety regulations thwarted by the NRA. (The Tennessean)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:25:48am

re: #336 Big Beautiful Door

Np they aren’t the majority, and if the majority get out to vote in November, a lot of those assholes in Congress will be going home.

We are the majority. That’s why they want to make it a pita for us to vote whether we be college students, low income, or PoC. The GOP’s “majority” is a paper majority but the problem is not enough people in our coalition feel like participating like theirs do. I don’t want us ever having the herd- never think mentality that they do but I would love for the left to realize the importance of every election no matter how local or seemingly unimportant.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:27:46am

re: #334 Citizen K

I have precious little faith in any sort of grand breakthrough anymore. I’m voting and speaking out because it needs to be said, but I’ve just been resigned to fatalism that this is what we are now, this is what we will be for the near- and long-term future. That there really is a silent majority of hate deciding they don’t have to be silent anymore, and that we’re going to be forever buried in it.

We cannot save ourselves. But the rest of the world is going to stage an intervention. We’re already seeing movements to dump Treasury securities and an increase in countries abandoning the dollar as the reserve currency. The rest of the world is also going to engage in isolating the US in diplomatic affairs.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:28:36am

I was actually pretty inspired yesterday when I canvassed. There was a middle aged man and I could tell by his accent that he was an immigrant. Not sure where from but he had his teenage son with him and his younger son with him. You guys know me, immigration is not only an important issue to me, it’s a very personal one as well. So seeing that, that’s what I’m fighting for. I’m fighting for that man and his sons to feel as welcome as I do here as a white man.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:29:25am

It might actually do us some good not to be a global power any more after Trump but I have always believed this country can be a force of positive good in the world despite our many fuck ups.

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:30:41am
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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:31:06am

re: #342 jaunte

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We really live in the United States of 4Chan at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:32:43am

re: #342 jaunte

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She knew who her attacker was you stupid witch. God, I almost prefer the people who think she made it up over the people like Collins who insult our collective intelligence with this crap.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:34:37am

re: #334 Citizen K

I have precious little faith in any sort of grand breakthrough anymore. I’m voting and speaking out because it needs to be said, but I’ve just been resigned to fatalism that this is what we are now, this is what we will be for the near- and long-term future. That there really is a silent majority of hate deciding they don’t have to be silent anymore, and that we’re going to be forever buried in it.

Forever is a very long time. The unexpected can happen tomorrow and change everything. I realize during the period 1861-1912, Republicans held the presidency for 10 of the 12 terms, and for one of those 10 terms, a Democrat had a plurality of the votes but due to backroom deals related to Florida, lost the office. Let’s not assume the worst — and let’s work for the best. As long as the convention of states doesn’t successfully rewrite the Constitution, we can prevail. We are the majority — not the Trump supporters.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:37:06am

re: #339 Joe Bacon 🌹

We cannot save ourselves. But the rest of the world is going to stage an intervention. We’re already seeing movements to dump Treasury securities and an increase in countries abandoning the dollar as the reserve currency. The rest of the world is also going to engage in isolating the US in diplomatic affairs.

Yes we can. If we vote like it matters we will win the House, and there is even a chance we’ll win the Senate. If we win either the House or the Senate, we can subpoena Trump’s tax returns, and investigate the 2016 election even if Trump does fire Mueller. Then we can defeat Trump in 2020 and start moving forward. The Right has been blathering about “reserve currency” for decades, and its just nonsense. Even if the dollar wasn’t the only real option, Germany, Japan, China and others seem to do just fine without having the “reserve currency”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:37:25am

What I think we need to do is seriously expand the size of Congress. It makes no sense at all to me that we have 5 times the size of Britain’s population yet less people in our federal legislature. And yeah give, DC, PR, and the other places that lack representation a voting voice. More people live in PR and DC than live in several Republican stronghold states. Why should they get representation and the people in those places not? The only thing that has seriously kept D.C. at least from becoming a full state has been Republican fear that it would be 3 more Democrats in the House and Senate.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:40:20am

re: #342 jaunte

Susan Collins’ position boils down to “I believe her, but on the other hand, I don’t believe her.” The wingnuts in this area are mostly closeted, but if I happen to run across one, I’m going to rub his nose in it, then laugh like hell.

“The devil, that proud spirit, cannot endure to be mocked.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:40:20am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

What I think we need to do is seriously expand the size of Congress. It makes no sense at all to me that we have 5 times the size of Britain’s population yet less people in our federal legislature. And yeah give, DC, PR, and the other places that lack representation a voting voice. More people live in PR and DC than live in several Republican stronghold states. Why should they get representation and the people in those places not? The only thing that has seriously kept D.C. at least from becoming a full state has been Republican fear that it would be 3 more Democrats in the House and Senate.

If we increased the size of the House to 1,000 seats, it would be more representative, and so would the electoral college.

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:43:03am

re: #343 Citizen K

We really live in the United States of 4Chan at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:45:37am

re: #349 Big Beautiful Door

If we increased the size of the House to 1,000 seats, it would be more representative, and so would the electoral college.

Yeah. As it stands, sparsely populated red states have too much power. I read somewhere that the Senators that voted to approve Augh represent 44% of the population. We’re seeing a lot of the Founders’ I wouldn’t call them mistakes but unawareness that our population would be 300X more than what it was at the first census.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:46:14am

re: #350 jaunte

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:47:19am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

They’re saving it for his ruling on the “OK to burn witches again” case.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:47:36am

re: #350 jaunte

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The elevation of batshit conspiracy theory, the self-centered sociopathy held up as a virtue, performative cruelty for the ‘lulz’, outright contrarianism toward any sort of decency, and racism, xenophobia, misogyny, etc. protected by a thin layer of ‘irony’ that proves itself nothing more than a flimsy excuse with every repeated indulgence of that combined hate cocktail.

Yep. We really are ruled by Channers now.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:48:00am

re: #353 jaunte

They’re saving it for his ruling on the “OK to burn witches again” case.

Ahhh yes Proctor vs. Salem.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:50:08am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Yeah. As it stands, sparsely populated red states have too much power. I read somewhere that the Senators that voted to approve Augh represent 44% of the population. We’re seeing a lot of the Founders’ I wouldn’t call them mistakes but unawareness that our population would be 300X more than what it was at the first census.

Well they were trying to cobble together a document that had to be ratified by 13 separate states each looking out for their own interests, and that compromised with an inherent evil, slavery. The fact that it lasted seven decades before everything blew up was impressive, and that the new status quo established afterwards has lasted another 15 decades is close to miraculous.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:51:14am

re: #356 Big Beautiful Door

Well they were trying to cobble together a document that had to be ratified by 13 separate states each looking out for their own interests, and that compromised with an inherent evil, slavery. the fact that it lasted seven decades before everything blew up was impressive, and that the new status quo established afterwards has lasted another 15 decades is close to miraculous.

Oh yeah I’m not knocking them in the slightest for the oversights made.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:53:51am

I’m out for now … . catch y’all later.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:54:12am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 8:59:50am

Well, look who got his IRS Tax-Exempt status back…

Richard Spencer

“…and it was just a “misunderstanding”…

apnews.com

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:14:12am

re: #360 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, look who got his IRS Tax-Exempt status back…

Richard Spencer

“…and it was just a “misunderstanding”…

apnews.com

I guess the IRS will now be all copacetic with the right wing crazies now, huh?

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sagehen  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:16:58am

re: #301 wheat-dogg

Trump has been riding the economic wave created way back in the Obama years. Unemployment down, markets up, corporate profits up (thanks to the tax cut), but it won’t last forever. His tariffs on Chinese goods are not going to help the economy. Sooner or later, this house of cards is going to fall down, and I suspect it will be right in the middle of Trump’s term. Let’s see if he can brag about that!

He’ll blame the Dems.

Especially if they retake Congress…

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Lupin  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:17:31am

Mainstream French TV network TF1 is airing a primetime doc on Trump before he became president this week. It is entitled THE GODFATHER OF MANHATTAN. I can’t think of any other American President in my lifetime that would have been labeled so. I feel so embarrassed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:27:53am

My wife sent me a text earlier: “Don’t forget, Alex Jones will be at our church this morning.”

I about had a heart attack until she clarified that it was not THAT Alex Jones.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:29:07am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:36:46am

re: #365 Patricia Kayden

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Hope so.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:42:04am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:43:22am

re: #346 Big Beautiful Door

Yes we can. If we vote like it matters we will win the House, and there is even a chance we’ll win the Senate. If we win either the House or the Senate, we can subpoena Trump’s tax returns, and investigate the 2016 election even if Trump does fire Mueller. Then we can defeat Trump in 2020 and start moving forward. The Right has been blathering about “reserve currency” for decades, and its just nonsense. Even if the dollar wasn’t the only real option, Germany, Japan, China and others seem to do just fine without having the “reserve currency”.

So what happens if the Democrats take control of the House, issue subpoenas and the Supreme Court quashes them on a 5-4 vote with Kavanaugh writing the majority opinion that the House can’t issue them to Trump?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:43:48am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:45:33am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:45:45am

re: #368 Joe Bacon 🌹

So what happens if the Democrats take control of the House, issue subpoenas and the Supreme Court quashes them on a 5-4 vote with Kavanaugh writing the majority opinion that the President isn’t subject to them?

Then we take to the streets. I wonder if Roberts would be willing to sign onto such a blatantly partisan opinion. Remember, he did twice vote to save the ACA despite the political heat from the Right to kill it.

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Interesting Times  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:47:19am

re: #371 Big Beautiful Door

Then we take to the streets. I wonder if Roberts would be willing to sign onto such a blatantly partisan opinion.

The fact that John Roberts is engaged in an active cover-up of Binge-drinking Brett ethics complaints shows he’s been trumpified as well.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:48:14am

re: #371 Big Beautiful Door

Then we take to the streets. I wonder if Roberts would be willing to sign onto such a blatantly partisan opinion. Remember, he did twice vote to save the ACA despite the political heat from the Right to kill it.

I’m not comforted by the idea of putting the health of our country’s institutions in the hands of the same Roberts who gutted the VRA by claiming that Racism didn’t exist anymore, or who blocked dozens of judicial complaints about Kavanaugh

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:49:32am

re: #372 Interesting Times

The fact that John Roberts is engaged in an active cover-up of Binge-drinking Brett ethics complaints shows he’s been trumpified as well.

It is certainly possible that now that Trump is President, Roberts figures that we can have a permanent Republican majority and so he no longer cares about a legacy of doing what’s right, but instead doing what’s needed to entrench this majority.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:49:40am

re: #371 Big Beautiful Door

Then we take to the streets. I wonder if Roberts would be willing to sign onto such a blatantly partisan opinion. Remember, he did twice vote to save the ACA despite the political heat from the Right to kill it.

I think the Supremes (especially Roberts and the liberals) want to remain legit. If they give all power to the admin, what’s the point of having a court? Trump and the Republicans will pay a price for kav, and I’m not sure he’s going to be able to save them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:49:54am

re: #372 Interesting Times

The fact that John Roberts is engaged in an active cover-up of Binge-drinking Brett ethics complaints shows he’s been trumpified as well.

If he cares at all about the legitimacy of the Court as a supposedly nonpartisan branch of government, he’ll think several times before interfering in the legislative branch’s constitutional powers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:51:05am

re: #365 Patricia Kayden

Kavanaugh Confirmation Will Likely Lead to a Blue Tsunami in the House

I do not want to hear of a goddamn Blue Tsunami or even a Blue Wave.

That is just a rhetorical straw men setting up a series of RW counter talking points.

It is a series of hard-fought campaigns. Perhaps the Kavanaugh confirmation will make them less tough, but it is an uphill struggle to regain control of Congress to at least put some kinds of brakes on the GOP steamroller.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:54:17am

re: #373 Citizen K

I’m not comforted by the idea of putting the health of our country’s institutions in the hands of the same Roberts who gutted the VRA by claiming that Racism didn’t exist anymore, or who blocked dozens of judicial complaints about Kavanaugh

I’m not either, but of the five conservatives, he is the least likely to engage in a naked partisan power grab aimed at neutering one of the co-equal branches of government. He’s usually more subtle than that.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:55:40am

re: #375 I Would Prefer Not To

I think the Supremes (especially Roberts and the liberals) want to remain legit. If they give all power to the admin, what’s the point of having a court? Trump and the Republicans will pay a price for kav, and I’m not sure he’s going to be able to save them.

What is there to save them from when it would amount to giving GOP unlimited power and make them virtually untouchable to the point that it couldn’t be undone without a literal coup?

This is what they wanted. This is what they’ve dreamed of. This is their eternal conservatopia finally coming true.

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BigPapa  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:57:54am

re: #365 Patricia Kayden

Gawd I miss EclecticBrotha. Awesome follow. But I broke a golden Twitter rule or got caught in a batch block long ago so I have to live on hand me downs.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:58:09am

re: #379 Citizen K

What is there to save them from when it would amount to giving GOP unlimited power and make them virtually untouchable to the point that it couldn’t be undone without a literal coup?

This is what they wanted. This is what they’ve dreamed of. This is their eternal conservatopia finally coming true.

True. But they didn’t count on the backlash. And there will be backlash. Not just from Democrats, but from Conservatives as well.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:58:30am

re: #379 Citizen K

What is there to save them from when it would amount to giving GOP unlimited power and make them virtually untouchable to the point that it couldn’t be undone without a literal coup?

This is what they wanted. This is what they’ve dreamed of. This is their eternal conservatopia finally coming true.

They should be careful what they wish for. If they try to thwart the majority too blatantly through illegitimate means, and make revolution the only option, they’ll get a revolution.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 9:59:12am

re: #378 Big Beautiful Door

I’m not either, but of the five conservatives, he is the least likely to engage in a naked partisan power grab aimed at neutering one of the co-equal branches of government. He’s usually more subtle than that.

He’s had to be because there was always the possibility of a liberal Justice looming that could undermine his legitimacy as Chief Justice. What threat is there now, when they may just get a 6-3 ironclad majority by the time Trump is done?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:00:26am

re: #380 BigPapa

Gawd I miss EclecticBrotha. Awesome follow. But I broke a golden Twitter rule or got caught in a batch block long ago so I have to live on hand me downs.

You’re not alone. See my post above. I will probably not post any more tweets and will close the account in a while since Twitter is just a platform for the Republican party.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:00:30am

re: #381 I Would Prefer Not To

True. But they didn’t count on the backlash. And there will be backlash. Not just from Democrats, but from Conservatives as well.

They are battened down enough to ride out the backlash, that is something they planned in when they decided Kavanaugh or Bust

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can't think of a decent username  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:02:39am

re: #382 Big Beautiful Door

They should be careful what they wish for. If they try to thwart the majority too blatantly through illegitimate means, and make revolution the only option, they’ll get a revolution.

There are a lot of times I think we need a revolution really bad, but I also have no faith in a revolution actually happening, or in it being successful. Americans — especially white Americans — are lazy as hell, and if they have to choose between living in a fascist dystopia and missing an episode of “NCIS,” they’ll side with the fascists who allow them to watch TV. Besides, it won’t be very long before Trump starts telling the police to just open fire on protesters, and they won’t hesitate. And they won’t stop.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:02:43am

I’ll be back later. New watch is at the Apple store and I’m turning in several old ones to recycle and get a credit for the new watch.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:02:46am

re: #382 Big Beautiful Door

They should be careful what they wish for. If they try to thwart the majority too blatantly through illegitimate means, and make revolution the only option, they’ll get a revolution.

We still have time to vote many of these assholes out. Also, if Democrats win the house and really investigate people like trump and nunes and some of the other neo nazis… My fear is that Democrats will lose their will to investigate, because fox news and rush will say mean things about them. We not only need to win in Nov, but come January we need to investigate like our lives depended on it.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:02:53am

re: #365 Patricia Kayden

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:03:24am

Roll your eyes at it in 1994, vote it into office in 2016.

Henry Rollins - Liar - Higher Quality

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:04:23am

re: #381 I Would Prefer Not To

True. But they didn’t count on the backlash. And there will be backlash. Not just from Democrats, but from Conservatives as well.

We’ve banked on the better angels of conservatives all too often for it to blow up in our faces when they demonstrate that ‘owning libs’ is the only virtue they ever see. We’ve seen the GOP go from Trump as candidate being a red line to ‘All Hail God-King Trump I’ because it gave them unlimited power and made the libs mad, therefore it had to be an objective good.

Banking on any genuine conservative backlash is a fool’s errand and I refuse to try and kick that football again.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:08:22am

re: #391 Citizen K

Let’s hear what the Zodiac Killer once thought about Trump before he decided to start sucking his dick for a prime spot on the cheer squad

Ted Cruz: Donald Trump is a ‘pathological liar’

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:09:04am

re: #391 Citizen K

We’ve banked on the better angels of conservatives all too often for it to blow up in our faces when they demonstrate that ‘owning libs’ is the only virtue they ever see. We’ve seen the GOP go from Trump as candidate being a red line to ‘All Hail God-King Trump I’ because it gave them unlimited power and made the libs mad, therefore it had to be an objective good.

Banking on any genuine conservative backlash is a fool’s errand and I refuse to try and kick that football again.

The “conservative” backlash may happen when enough of them realize that they need healthcare and sometimes abortion. The key word is may. It also may happen if a democratic house controls the budget and the red states all need money. The revolution may be shutting down the govt until one side blinks.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:10:15am

re: #393 I Would Prefer Not To

The “conservative” backlash may happen when enough of them realize that they need healthcare and sometimes abortion. The key word is may. It also may happen if a democratic house controls the budget and the red states all need money. The revolution may be shutting down the govt until one side blinks.

How many times has something similar happened, and the only response was ‘Dems must be at fault, destroy them all!!!’?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:11:09am

re: #394 Citizen K

How many times has something similar happened, and the only response was ‘Dems must be at fault, destroy them all!!!’?

too many

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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:12:47am

re: #380 BigPapa

Gawd I miss EclecticBrotha. Awesome follow. But I broke a golden Twitter rule or got caught in a batch block long ago so I have to live on hand me downs.

He’s the first and only tweeter I’ve ever asked to follow me. He did.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:14:59am

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:15:28am

re: #354 Citizen K

The elevation of batshit conspiracy theory, the self-centered sociopathy held up as a virtue, performative cruelty for the ‘lulz’, outright contrarianism toward any sort of decency, and racism, xenophobia, misogyny, etc. protected by a thin layer of ‘irony’ that proves itself nothing more than a flimsy excuse with every repeated indulgence of that combined hate cocktail.

Yep. We really are ruled by Channers now.

If I never read 4Chan am I still ruled by them?

Because I have never gone there, followed a link, etc.

I’m ruled by Lizards!

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Varek Raith  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:15:37am
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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:16:26am

Excerpt:

“…I unfriended a couple people today for assuming that the Democrats are “feckless.”

No.

The Democrats still believe in old-fashioned democracy. You campaign aggressively. The people vote. Whoever gets the most votes wins. The winner is then responsible for governing wisely according to existing law.

The Republicans used to believe in that — back when Ike was president. They gave that up under Nixon. The Republicans now believe that it’s okay to lie, cheat, and steal elections, because winning is more important than following the rules.

A Republican I stopped talking to a long time ago once said, “If you’re not cheating, you’re not playing hard enough.” When winning becomes more important than the law, more important than ethics, more important than respecting the rights of your opponents — it’s no longer about winning, it’s about power. It’s the essence of corruption.

What we have seen — in the theft of elections, in voter-suppression, in vote-rigging, in election-hacking, in the shutdown of voting sites in Democratic districts, and most recently in the behavior of Mitch McConnell, a man who has single-handedly betrayed the Constitution of the United States … what we have seen is that the Republican party is no longer a political party, but a savage religious cult that encourages fear and hatred, cruelty and ugliness. The idea of playing fair disappeared from that mindset when Richard Nixon quietly taught Republican candidates how to smear their opponents, when Lee Atwater smeared Michael Dukakis, when Richard Mellon Scaife funded multiple malicious lawsuits against Bill Clinton, when Newt Gingrich wrote the notorious Gopac memo on how to demonize Democrats, when Katherine Harris purged Democratic voters from Florida’s rolls in 2000, when Karl Rove smeared John Kerry, and on and on and on.

And when called out — Republicans have said, “Well, Johnny did it too.”

That’s not an excuse. That’s a confession.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:16:48am

re: #399 Varek Raith

Saw that. Sounds like a homecoming limo?! Ugh.

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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:17:48am

re: #394 Citizen K

How many times has something similar happened, and the only response was ‘Dems must be at fault, destroy them all!!!’?

Nah, what will happen is that a conservative/Republican politician will come out in favor of these things and then the truthiness will take over and it will be that conservatives and Republicans have always believed these things and liberals/Democrats/progressives were always actually against it.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:17:54am

re: #398 ObserverArt

If I never read 4Chan am I still ruled by them?

Because I have never gone there, followed a link, etc.

I’m ruled by Lizards!

You are when /pol/ essentially runs public policy and political coverage at this point. We have a president that gleefully enables QAnon conspiracy theorism and have political leaders basically repeating /pol/ screeds verbatim or at the very least catering to their support.

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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:20:05am

re: #392 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Let’s hear what the Zodiac Killer once thought about Trump before he decided to start sucking his dick for a prime spot on the cheer squad

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If I had billions of dollars and could waste a bunch of money, I would absolutely start a dark money PAC and run commercials in Texas of Trump and Cruz just talking shit about each other from the past and finish with something like “they’re playing y’all”

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Varek Raith  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:20:10am

re: #403 Citizen K

You are when /pol/ essentially runs public policy and political coverage at this point. We have a president that gleefully enables QAnon conspiracy theorism and have political leaders basically repeating /pol/ screeds verbatim or at the very least catering to their support.

/pol/?
More like /b/
/

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:22:29am

re: #394 Citizen K

I count on the people I encourage to get to the polls. I hope more people will vote for Democrats. But hope doesn’t get you very far, so I spend it and a $1.50 to get a soda at work.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:23:06am

re: #402 KGxvi

Nah, what will happen is that a conservative/Republican politician will come out in favor of these things and then the truthiness will take over and it will be that conservatives and Republicans have always believed these things and liberals/Democrats/progressives were always actually against it.

They aren’t even doing that with even the popular parts of ACA that conservative voters like. They’re just getting them to tunnel vision focus on the ‘evil’ parts like the mandate so they ignore that they’re getting their pocket picked. It’s what happened in Kentucky when Bevin won in a laugher on the basis of taking away all of Kentuckians health care, despite the popularity of Kynect, the state-level ACA exchange. They didn’t care that Bevin basically destroyed their health care, they celebrated the destruction of the evil evil ACA and rode on destroying those evil evil Dems forever.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:23:45am

re: #404 KGxvi

There is some groupe running some anti-Cruz ads here in Texas now. Maybe find a way to suggest that to them.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:23:59am

I checking out for awhile. I need a break. (It’s not you, it’s me).

Peace.

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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:25:45am

Yeah, I’m checking out too… T minus 20 minutes to the global premier of Doctor Who.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:26:24am
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Old Liberal  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:27:17am

At one time I thought there were Adults in the upper 1/10 of one percent who would step in if things got out of hand. With the ties between Netanyahu and Russian mobs and a new “Uber Mafia” of ultra rich I’m starting to think that there is no one looking for stability just mob bosses gobbling up Cash. Maybe they learned that instability is even better for business in these times. My only advice is, don’t be tied to the boat when it goes down, free yourself now.

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:31:01am
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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:33:51am

re: #413 jaunte

(Ok, guess I’m not taking a break just yet)

Shorter McConnell: Because I can, and fuck you.

Taking the title of Senate Majority Leader away from McConnell is the most important thing that can happen to American politics in the next 2 years. (Here’s hoping the Dems 2020 nominee has coattails)

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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:34:10am

re: #412 Old Liberal

My only advice is, don’t be tied to the boat when it goes down, free yourself now.

I’m taking swimming lessons. Next up; teaching others how to swim.

We’re all in the same ocean.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:35:29am

re: #390 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m amazed that it took Trump and complicity of the GOP to make me understand what was meant by the line “I’ll turn you into me”.

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:36:27am

re: #415 wrenchwench

I’m taking swimming lessons. Next up; teaching others how to swim.

We’re all in the same ocean.

Gets kinda tough to swim when someone that is in a panic and doesn’t want to save themselves attaches themselves to your back as dead weight.

Are there lessons for how to handle that?

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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:38:18am

re: #417 ObserverArt

Gets kinda tough to swim when someone that is in a panic and doesn’t want to save themselves attaches themselves to your back as dead weight.

Are there lessons for how to handle that?

Don’t go down with the panicked. Find someone willing to accept help. It can’t be forced on anyone.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:40:03am

Getting people to the polls and running good candidates is Job One. Then our focus has to be to watch them all like hawks and push them toward progress when they waver. And keep looking for new and better candidates EVERYWHERE.

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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:41:00am

re: #417 ObserverArt

Gets kinda tough to swim when someone that is in a panic and doesn’t want to save themselves attaches themselves to your back as dead weight.

Are there lessons for how to handle that?

I had a couple summers as a life guard. While luckily I didn’t have a real life situation that involved this sort of thing, in training they basically taught us to do this…

get the other person on their back (and hopefully calmed down a bit), put one arm under their arm and across their chest, do a side stroke to get to safety.

I’m not entirely sure how that translate to our analogy, but yeah…

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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:44:38am

re: #419 A Mom Anon

keep looking for new and better candidates EVERYWHERE.

Yeah, who would ever have thought to look at the El Paso city council…

BE BETO .

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:45:31am

Mac & Cheese or Lasagna?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:46:16am

re: #422 The Vicious Babushka

Mac & Cheese or Lasagna?

Lasagna.

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:46:30am

re: #420 KGxvi

I had a couple summers as a life guard. While luckily I didn’t have a real life situation that involved this sort of thing, in training they basically taught us to do this…

get the other person on their back (and hopefully calmed down a bit), put one arm under their arm and across their chest, do a side stroke to get to safety.

I’m not entirely sure how that translate to our analogy, but yeah…

Relates pretty well.

Now, about that getting them calmed down a bit…

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A Mom Anon  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:49:16am

Also, just as an aside, no one can make good, solid choices based on anger and fear. This is what republicans do and how we got here. Look at the liberal stereotypes that have been fed to the public for as long as I can remember, and I’m 58. They play on fear and hate and while it may work, it’s also horribly destructive and stupid. We have to keep our feet planted firmly in real life and do the work. It’s not just elections, it’s really everything.

Someone once told me the beautiful thing about everything being a mess is that every good thing you do helps fix something. No one is coming to save us, we’re going to have to do more than march and protest, more than vote, more than we’ve had to do in recent history. See a need and work to meet it, that’s really what change is about.

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dangerman  Oct 7, 2018 • 10:57:57am

things are not so awful in mudville today

i ran somewhere between 20 and 21 miles.
i actually run by time, which was 200 minutes - 3:20

when training for a marathon you never have to run more than 20 miles
if you can run 20, you can run 26
you do have to do it a couple of times though

first time in 5 years so this is a big achievement for me

the first 16 miles were smooth and excellent
the last four were “ugly” — no style or grace, ragged breathing, muscles starting to object… (it was 82 degrees)
no walking and the pace didnt degrade

mrs dm took me for pancakes and eggs
now a nap
then beer
then pasta

do something today to make yourself proud

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:00:00am

Relegate me to the tinfoil-covered peanut gallery if you insist but I really think it’s cute that so many of you seem to believe there’s a possibility that the 2018 election might result in something other than a GOP landslide. There will never, ever be another legitimate, un-fucked-with election in this country. What you think of as the USA ceased to exist on election day of 2016. There’s no coming back from that.

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BigPapa  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:02:19am

re: #422 The Vicious Babushka

Mac & Cheese or Lasagna?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:03:06am

re: #427 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Relegate me to the tinfoil-covered peanut gallery if you insist but I really think it’s cute that so many of you seem to believe there’s a possibility that the 2018 election might result in something other than a GOP landslide. There will never, ever be another legitimate, un-fucked-with election in this country. What you think of as the USA ceased to exist on election day of 2016. There’s no coming back from that.

I do not quite share your sentiment but yes, I am convinced that the electoral results will not represent the will of the electorate due to massive ratfucking, practiced with impunity by people who know they have little to fear in the way of consequences.

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:03:51am

France is on its fifth Republic.

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BigPapa  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:03:59am

re: #427 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Relegate me to the tinfoil-covered peanut gallery if you insist but I really think it’s cute that so many of you seem to believe there’s a possibility that the 2018 election might result in something other than a GOP landslide. There will never, ever be another legitimate, un-fucked-with election in this country. What you think of as the USA ceased to exist on election day of 2016. There’s no coming back from that.

Yeah, but fuck if I don’t try.

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:05:56am
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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:12:11am

re: #427 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Relegate me to the tinfoil-covered peanut gallery if you insist but I really think it’s cute that so many of you seem to believe there’s a possibility that the 2018 election might result in something other than a GOP landslide. There will never, ever be another legitimate, un-fucked-with election in this country. What you think of as the USA ceased to exist on election day of 2016. There’s no coming back from that.

So, what are your plans for your own political future?

Not to vote. Give up. Stop posting at a political blog. What would be non-cute?

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William Lewis  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:20:02am

re: #427 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Relegate me to the tinfoil-covered peanut gallery if you insist but I really think it’s cute that so many of you seem to believe there’s a possibility that the 2018 election might result in something other than a GOP landslide. There will never, ever be another legitimate, un-fucked-with election in this country. What you think of as the USA ceased to exist on election day of 2016. There’s no coming back from that.

Then we create the 2nd Republic the same way the first one was created. It is our duty to the future and the honor of the best of our past that shows us what we need to do in this present. It remains for us, the living, to carry the ideals forward so that “of the people, by the people, for the people” is not just another ugly cliche.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:21:22am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:22:50am

re: #435 Charles Johnson

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Good hopefully it hurts him.

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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:23:03am

re: #434 William Lewis

It remains for us, the living, to carry the ideals forward so that “of the people, by the people, for the people” is not just another ugly cliche.

I never thought it would be so hard to convince rwnjs (and some others) that everyone is a people. Everybody.

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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:25:08am

re: #435 Charles Johnson

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If good news can come from Fresno, it can come from anywhere.

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ericblair  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:26:00am

re: #427 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Relegate me to the tinfoil-covered peanut gallery if you insist but I really think it’s cute that so many of you seem to believe there’s a possibility that the 2018 election might result in something other than a GOP landslide. There will never, ever be another legitimate, un-fucked-with election in this country. What you think of as the USA ceased to exist on election day of 2016. There’s no coming back from that.

The Lord Of The Rings - Flee For Your Lives!

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makeitstop  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:26:34am

re: #438 wrenchwench

If good news can come from Fresno, it can come from anywhere.

That’s what I was thinking. That place is wingnut heaven, ain’t it?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:28:11am

re: #440 makeitstop

That’s what I was thinking. That place is wingnut heaven, ain’t it?

Home of Free Republic iirc.

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freetoken  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:30:05am
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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:32:11am

re: #442 freetoken

“Make America Civil Again.”
When minority voices were suppressed, it was so much calmer.

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makeitstop  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:32:17am

In other news, Tom Nichols flounces from the GOP.

But whatever my concerns about liberals, the true authoritarian muscle is now being flexed by the GOP, in a kind of buzzy, steroidal McCarthyism that lacks even anti-communism as a central organizing principle. The Republican Party, which controls all three branches of government and yet is addicted to whining about its own victimhood, is now the party of situational ethics and moral relativism in the name of winning at all costs.

So, I’m out. The Trumpers and the hucksters and the consultants and the hangers-on, like a colony of bees who exist only to sting and die, have swarmed together in a dangerous but suicidal cloud, and when that mindless hive finally extinguishes itself in a blaze of venom, there will be nothing left.

Not to worry, though - he still hates us.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:34:20am

re: #443 jaunte

“Make America Civil Again.”
When minority voices were suppressed, it was so much calmer.

Yep. Always amuses me to see older whites line for “the good old days” the same time period where returning black soldiers were lynched.

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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:34:39am

re: #440 makeitstop

That’s what I was thinking. That place is wingnut heaven, ain’t it?

The land of contrasts. Lost of good growing happens around there. The word means ‘grape’. It’s the land of the United Farm Workers. It also made Chuck Johnson, or housed it for a while. I went there to see a play in which a boyfriend’s older brother acted in drag, at Fresno State. He was a racist and a sexist, and it was a play about the Marx Brothers, so lots of laughs all around. He later got work in Hollywood, in a couple of commercials, so it was a ‘career’ for a couple of years.

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:35:05am

Our thug loves their thugs.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:35:58am

re: #427 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Relegate me to the tinfoil-covered peanut gallery if you insist but I really think it’s cute that so many of you seem to believe there’s a possibility that the 2018 election might result in something other than a GOP landslide. There will never, ever be another legitimate, un-fucked-with election in this country. What you think of as the USA ceased to exist on election day of 2016. There’s no coming back from that.

In other words, you’re saying it’s time to give up. (“Oh, no, I didn’t say QUIT.” Well, yes, that’s exactly what you did say. And many of your spiritual brothers on this site — you know who you are.)

You know, I’ve spent a lot of time and money over the last two years — and I’ll spend more of both before the next election — fighting the good fight to get the traitors out of our government. We’ve had some failures, but also some successes And I don’t I stop by here so a cluster of you can explain why I shouldn’t bother.

It wasn’t this bad in the past, but the whine level has become deafening, and I get enough aggravation elsewhere. Even Dory and Rango pictures aren’t enough to compensate.

So I’ll see you after the midterms. Maybe. Or maybe Charles can implement a much-needed mute button, so you can make one another miserable without poisoning this place for the rest of us.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:37:00am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:37:49am

re: #449 Charles Johnson

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OFFS just shut up Susan.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:39:39am
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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:39:41am

re: #449 Charles Johnson

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She wants a 24 hour statute of limitations.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:42:02am

re: #451 The Vicious Babushka

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Okay let’s focus on what you do. You claim to be against cyber bullying yet you remain married to the biggest cyber bully. You claim to be horrified by hunting elephants for sport yet your husband weakened regulations against game hunting and his sons love posing with dead animals. So no Rene Balloc, we are focusing of what you do. Which is a whole lotta nothing.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:45:59am

re: #449 Charles Johnson
She’s happy to be part of the cool boys club. Women like her stop progress and it’s a fucking bonus if it hurts “those bitches”. She knows, she does not care because she’s insulated by wealth.

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:46:11am

re: #448 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

In other words, you’re saying it’s time to give up. (“Oh, no, I didn’t say QUIT.” Well, yes, that’s exactly what you did say. And many of your spiritual brothers on this site — you know who you are.)

You know, I’ve spent a lot of time and money over the last two years — and I’ll spend more of both before the next election — fighting the good fight to get the traitors out of our government. We’ve had some failures, but also some successes And I don’t I stop by here so a cluster of you can explain why I shouldn’t bother.

It wasn’t this bad in the past, but the whine level has become deafening, and I get enough aggravation elsewhere. Even Dory and Rango pictures aren’t enough to compensate.

So I’ll see you after the midterms. Maybe. Or maybe Charles can implement a much-needed mute button, so you can make one another miserable without poisoning this place for the rest of us.

Please don’t go away. There are many here that think like you. If too many get bummed by the negativity this whole blog will suffer.

Overall, it is a good community. I know I already miss a whole hell of a lot of former members and others have joined in less and less.

Yeah, it can get frustrating, but it can also be rewarding.

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ericblair  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:50:01am

re: #449 Charles Johnson

She has to know what a horrible thing this is to say, right? She can’t honestly be this blind or naïve, can she?

She’s always been a complete fucking fraud, and now the act is wearing really thin. McConnell has led them all into the worst sort of degradation, and they followed. I’m fairly sure the Dems will have the House after the election, and then with some proper investigations might be able to follow the money here, because again that’s where you’ll find the reasons.

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jeffreyw  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:51:24am

re: #423 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Lasagna.

Imgur

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A Mom Anon  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:51:37am

re: #455 ObserverArt

I’m just ignoring the people who think it’s adorable to give a fuck about social and civic action. I stay out of the fighting, I have enough of that in my real life, and enough to be depressed about without that kind of “help”.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:51:44am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:52:46am

I’m back just to post this from SNL

Pete Davidson Bashes Kanye West

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:53:02am

re: #432 jaunte

Ha!

There’s a great descriptor of the Trump regime:

“Saudi America”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:54:59am

re: #442 freetoken

In fairness, the whole of human history does pretty much teach that we are “very prone to conflict”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:55:11am

Lasagna it is.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:56:18am

re: #457 jeffreyw

I already want seconds.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:56:47am

re: #449 Charles Johnson

Narrator: Yes. Yes she can.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 7, 2018 • 11:58:33am

re: #226 teleskiguy

Fuck, man.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:00:20pm

re: #439 ericblair

I like the part where he’s in flames, falling off the precipice, and then his story is no longer relevant.

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freetoken  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:02:14pm

re: #443 jaunte

“Make America Civil Again.”
When minority voices were suppressed, it was so much calmer.

Meltzer was writing about the UFC fiasco last night.

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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:02:33pm

re: #462 Eclectic Cyborg

In fairness, the whole of human history does pretty much teach that we are “very prone to conflict”

It’s a survival hierarchy… survival of the self, survival of the clan, survival of the species. Most of us have at least evolved to survival of the clan and developed a much broader meaning of clan than we used to.

From an evolutionary standpoint, it makes sense. Competition for limited resources creates a hardwired fear of others. Takes at least 20 or 30 thousand years to get over that.

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jeffreyw  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:05:44pm

re: #464 Charles Johnson

I already want seconds.

Too late! How about a taco or two?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:06:35pm
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ericblair  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:07:01pm

re: #467 Belafon

I like the part where he’s in flames, falling off the precipice, and then his story is no longer relevant.

When you really, really want to kill off a character. Although we didn’t get a proper “splat” at the bottom, so who knows, spinoff in the works?

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CleverToad  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:23:09pm

re: #455 ObserverArt

Please don’t go away. There are many here that think like you. If too many get bummed by the negativity this whole blog will suffer.

Overall, it is a good community. I know I already miss a whole hell of a lot of former members and others have joined in less and less.

Yeah, it can get frustrating, but it can also be rewarding.

Echo this — we need the voices of resolve to be here and loud and active! I appreciate everyone who’s committed to staying in the fight, and to staying in the light.

re: #334 Citizen K

I have precious little faith in any sort of grand breakthrough anymore. I’m voting and speaking out because it needs to be said, but I’ve just been resigned to fatalism that this is what we are now, this is what we will be for the near- and long-term future.

Serious question here, I’m honestly not trying to be snarky, Citizen K: You say you’re voting and speaking out ‘because it needs to be said’, but what are you saying and where? All I’ve seen here for months is repetitive despair. I struggle with depression too, I try to be sympathetic, but I lose patience with the steady stream of sodden gloom. From one depressive to another, does posting this running threnody give you some relief? Are you asking for help or seeking company in misery? Does it lighten your mood or your load temporarily? If you voice the despair and get an answer does it reassure you that someone is listening?

As a reader, I’m at the point where I roll my eyes and skim past your posts, having heard it all before. As a fellow lizard, I still worry and wonder whether you have resources IRL to help keep your fingers on the rope.

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plansbandc  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:26:25pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:29:08pm

re: #474 plansbandc

Clearly a paid protester.

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:34:06pm

re: #474 plansbandc

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What you do is put the costs for the prints from the FedEx Office (Kinkos) on The Soros Account. It all gets paid, no questions asked.

It’s how they do it.

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:35:11pm

re: #449 Charles Johnson

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It’s nicer to believe she’s being deliberately malevolent in choosing to rub salt in people’s wounds, because the alternative is she genuinely thinks she’s being benevolent in telling women this after she just got done on the national stage saying “Don’t come forward unless you’ve got enough evidence to secure a criminal conviction.”

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Teddy's Person  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:42:48pm

re: #449 Charles Johnson

SEN. SUSAN COLLINS: “The one silver lining that I hope will come from this is that more women will press charges now, when they are assaulted,” the Maine Republican tells @FaceTheNation cbsnews.com

— Face The Nation (@FaceTheNation) October 7, 2018

The Crowdpac campaign for Collins’ opponent is currently at $3,478,497. This tweet should get them to their goal of $4 million.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:45:58pm
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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:50:23pm

re: #478 Teddy’s Person

The Crowdpac campaign for Collins’ opponent is currently at $3,478,497. This tweet should get them to their goal of $4 million.

Paging Ambassador Susan Rice, Ambassador Susan Rice to the white curtesy phone, please.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:51:41pm
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:53:34pm

re: #481 goddamnedfrank

Madame Senator you are a traitor to your sex.

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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:53:41pm

I really dislike the extra point rule in the NFL. Can we please move the spot back to the three yard line for the kicks?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:57:51pm

re: #482 PhillyPretzel

Madame Senator you are a traitor to your sex.

Humanity.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:58:35pm

re: #484 HappyWarrior

That works too.

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 12:59:16pm

I want to see Keith Ellison win now more than anything. I didn’t even give a damn about that race 2 weeks ago, but now I want to see him win just so that he can stand up and say “The GOP made this possible. At any other time in our history, I would have been forced to drop out of the race, but the GOP made it possible for men like me to run for office knowing we’ll never have to take responsibility for our actions. And a special thanks to Susan Collins for saying that if a victim can’t convict, then there’s no point in even addressing the allegations.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:06:26pm

re: #323 jaunte

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those signatures…who signed which names?

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can't think of a decent username  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:09:39pm

re: #427 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Relegate me to the tinfoil-covered peanut gallery if you insist but I really think it’s cute that so many of you seem to believe there’s a possibility that the 2018 election might result in something other than a GOP landslide. There will never, ever be another legitimate, un-fucked-with election in this country. What you think of as the USA ceased to exist on election day of 2016. There’s no coming back from that.

That’s basically where I am. I still intend to vote and encourage non-Republicans to vote, but going into the election expecting anything other than a shellacking is just asking to get crushed into depression afterwards. (And if I’m wrong, then I get to celebrate harder than most, ‘cause I expected less than most.)

Honestly, if the Russians tweaked the results to even an obvious set-up (8 billion votes for Republicans, none for Democrats), the press would shrug and say, “Well, we have to accept it.” And most of the rest of the country would, too.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:11:47pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:12:16pm

I see Susan Collins is getting more media face time on CBS 60 Minutes tonight. They will balance with Senator Heidi Heitkamp.

Susan is very popular right now. Well, with some anyway.

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:14:51pm

re: #490 ObserverArt

I see Susan Collins is getting more media face time on CBS 60 Minutes tonight. They will balance with Senator Heidi Heitkamp.

Susan is very popular right now. Well, with some anyway.

Aunt Lydia is getting her 15 minutes because the media knows better than to put crusty old white men on to talk about how much they “believe” rape victims.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:15:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:15:42pm

re: #479 Charles Johnson

Nice answer. I also liked the drawing they used for that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:16:27pm

She’s gonna make herself a victim and feign concern for Dr. Ford bring “used.”.

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:19:38pm

re: #494 HappyWarrior

She’s gonna make herself a victim and feign concern for Dr. Ford bring “used.”.

That’s all they’ve done because they think it’s a viable means of attacking the DNC: “How DARE they exploit a victim like this! She had something terrible happen to her and Democrats threw her out on the national stage when this could have been addressed in private through ‘proper channels’! We believe she’s a victim of a horrific act, but we don’t think it involved Brett Kavanaugh and that the DNC tricked her into believing it was! WE MUST INVESTIGATE IMMEDIATELY!!!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:22:20pm

re: #492 goddamnedfrank

Only one way to follow that up:

James - Laid

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:22:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:22:50pm

re: #495 Targetpractice

That’s all they’ve done because they think it’s a viable means of attacking the DNC: “How DARE they exploit a victim like this! She had something terrible happen to her and Democrats threw her out on the national stage when this could have been addressed in private through ‘proper channels’! We believe she’s a victim of a horrific act, but we don’t think it involved Brett Kavanaugh and that the DNC tricked her into believing it was! WE MUST INVESTIGATE IMMEDIATELY!!!”

Exactly. And I see in my news notification that Cory Gardner is trying to cry victim too over a threat his wife apparently got. I don’t know the details but oyu know what, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for these right wingers who were fine with all sorts of nastiness directed at Dems over health care reform. And I don’t believe it because Know the GOP loves playing the victim.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:25:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:25:59pm

Threats are wrong of course. Make no question about it but you know what so is the crap that Dr. Ford has been put through by these Republican pigs men and women.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:26:25pm

re: #499 goddamnedfrank

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jaunte  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:29:22pm

Domestic terrorists “good people on both sides.”

“Wilson, who had a National Socialist Movement I.D. card on him, said shortly after the attack that he was “going to save the train from black people.”
huffingtonpost.com

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makeitstop  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:29:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:30:02pm

re: #502 jaunte

Domestic terrorists “good people on both sides.”

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“Wilson, who had a National Socialist Movement I.D. card on him, said shortly after the attack that he was “going to save the train from black people.”
huffingtonpost.com

Fucking Nazi fucks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:30:47pm

re: #503 makeitstop

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Trump admires authoritarians.

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:31:04pm

re: #499 goddamnedfrank

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But remember folks, the Clinton Foundation had to be dismantled because a few prominent people donated to it before meeting with Hillary personally.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:32:20pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:39:29pm

Jesus, this shit is even worse than I would have guessed.

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:43:05pm

Sport note:Football:Hidden

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can't think of a decent username  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:46:13pm

re: #508 goddamnedfrank

Jesus, this shit is even worse than I would have guessed.

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The Comicsgaters are impressively dumb. But they’re making about two people in their circle of nimrods quite rich, so they think they’re winning.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:49:04pm

re: #510 can’t think of a decent username

The Comicsgaters are impressively dumb. But they’re making about two people in their circle of nimrods quite rich, so they think they’re winning.

“Prosperity Comics”

(My parent’s 50th anniversary was late last month, so for the final gift, with my sister in town, all three of their kids showed up at church. The guy wasn’t bad. I’m an atheist, so I didn’t car for the Jesusy part, but his sermon was on the prosperity gospel and how they twist certain parts of the bible and how to recognize it and not fall for it.)

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:49:19pm

OK, suddenly the weather here in Rockwall just got really weird.

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KGxvi  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:49:24pm

re: #503 makeitstop

Trump wants to be like the leadership in those nations, why wouldn’t he be ok with what they’re doing?

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wrenchwench  Oct 7, 2018 • 1:58:32pm

re: #512 Belafon

OK, suddenly the weather here in Rockwall just got really weird.

The forecast here got weird. Supposed to start drizzling in 35 minutes, and stop 12 minutes later.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:02:40pm

re: #512 Belafon

Rain bombing all over. Tropical air moving in off the gulf. We’ve gotten close to and inch in Jonestown

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:05:45pm

re: #515 Dave In Austin

Rain bombing all over. Tropical air moving in off the gulf. We’ve gotten close to and inch in Jonestown

We just got a 5 minute deluge. Now we’re just left with thunder. LOTS of energy and moisture over Texas.

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:07:39pm

re: #516 Belafon

We just got a 5 minute deluge. Now we’re just left with thunder. LOTS of energy and moisture over Texas.

It’s all that Cruz hot air circulating.

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freetoken  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:11:02pm

re: #516 Belafon

Possible hurricane Michael in the GoM this week.

And for those of you in the Rockies and central part of the country, hurricane Sergio is going to turn east and hit Baja and ought to bring plenty of precip by the end of the week.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:12:08pm

It seems that Susan Rice’s comment about run in 2020 has caused Collin’s to remove Rice from her website:

More at dailykos.com.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:13:16pm

re: #519 Belafon

It seems that Susan Rice’s comment about run in 2020 has caused Collin’s to remove Rice from her website:

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More at dailykos.com.

Wow petty.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:17:33pm

re: #488 can’t think of a decent username

Honestly, if the Russians tweaked the results to even an obvious set-up (8 billion votes for Republicans, none for Democrats), the press would shrug and say, “Well, we have to accept it.” And most of the rest of the country would, too.

I think the situation is worse than that. I’d love to be proven wrong. I won’t be.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:31:42pm

Anyone spouting “Soro’s” needs to have the same statements put back at them with Sheldon Adelson

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unproven innocence  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:34:20pm

re: #502 jaunte

Domestic terrorists “good people on both sides.”

“Wilson, who had a National Socialist Movement I.D. card on him, said shortly after the attack that he was “going to save the train from black people.”
huffingtonpost.com

A snippet: That’s fucked up. Yeah. Are you XX or XY? That’s boy or girl. Yeah. The guy was really showing his ignorance there.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:39:28pm

re: #522 Dave In Austin

Anyone spouting “Soro’s” needs to have the same statements put back at them with Sheldon Adelson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:41:40pm

re: #522 Dave In Austin

Anyone spouting “Soro’s” needs to have the same statements put back at them with Sheldon Adelson

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I dunno. That starts to feel like Joo versus Joo.

Better, IMO, to ridicule them with “Soros! EVERYBODY DRINK!!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:42:59pm

re: #525 Blind Frog Belly White

I dunno. That starts to feel like Joo versus Joo.

Better, IMO, to ridicule them with “Soros! EVERYBODY DRINK!!!!”

I like reminding them that Soros was opposing communism in Hungary while Trump was fucking around.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:44:29pm

re: #526 HappyWarrior

I like reminding them that Soros was opposing communism in Hungary while Trump was fucking around.

When he was off to war at the disco’s fighting the VD?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:45:13pm

So right wing media is all outraged about a writer for Colbert saying she was glad she ruined Kavanaugh’s life. Except. It’s not ruined. Ford meanwhile had her story & reputation belittled & by the President & several elected officials. Kavanuagh finally had to answer a little for being a world class pig.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:45:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:45:36pm

re: #527 Dave In Austin

When he was off to war at the disco’s fighting the VD?

Yep!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:50:32pm

re: #528 HappyWarrior

So right wing media is all outraged about a writer for Colbert saying she was glad she ruined Kavanaugh’s life. Except. It’s not ruined. Ford meanwhile had her story belittled by the President was several elected officials.

Her life? DEFINITELY ruined.

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makeitstop  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:53:30pm

China detains president of INTERPOL, president of INTERPOL resigns effective immediately.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:54:49pm

re: #531 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Her life? DEFINITELY ruined.

No shit. He just got a lifelong appointment & all the perks that go with that. But yeah his life was so ruined. At the very least, I hope he sleeps knowing that many people in this country think he’s s disgusting drunk pig.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 7, 2018 • 2:55:44pm

Here’s a news item from last month that I totally missed until perusing the exceptional Half Hearted Dude music blog just now:

“Not really a music death, and yet very much so: Peggy Sue Perron of the Buddy Holly song has died at 78. Originally Holly was going to name the song Cindy Lou, after his niece. But drummer Jerry Allison petitioned his friend to change the name in order to impress his girl, Peggy Sue, who had just broken up with him. It worked: Jerry and Peggy Sue went on to get married in 1958 (just before his death, Holly wrote and [recorded] a song called Peggy Sue Got Married, which was released posthumously). They divorced, and Peggy Sue moved to California, got married again, and had kids.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:00:06pm
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De Kolta Chair  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:06:56pm

Finally, someone had the gumption to say it:

Luke Burns
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:10:15pm

re: #444 makeitstop

Tom blocked me on Twitter — as best as I can tell, for asking what happens on the set of Jeopardy! if one of the contestants nervously lets loose a gnarly SBD fart during Final Jeopardy! I mean, TV sets are notorious for not allowing fans or airflow of any sort, because the mics will pick up the noise. So do they just have to sit there and marinate in it, or what? Thomas Hobbes famously said, “Curiosity is the lust of the mind.” I was just curious.

Anyway, I wouldn’t say he “hates” us, but I would say he’s still a bit blinded by the particular set of filters he chooses to see the world through. But again aren’t we all. I didn’t see anything glaringly wrong in his article.

But I still want to know about the Jeopardy! thing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:14:35pm

The blind pig found a really, really big acorn this time.

EDIT: Didn’t realize I wasn’t the first to post this. Tough shit! I’m not taking it down!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:14:39pm

re: #517 ObserverArt

It’s all that Cruz hot air circulating.

in that case…that ain’t rain falling…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:17:58pm

Tom Nichols’ flounce is “both sides” horseshit that chooses to forget the continuity of bad behavior between the first time he left the GOP and the second, all of which is just an elaboration of existing bad behavior that created a bullshit impeachment and fabricated justification for a war. It follows the standard form by exaggerating the threat of the Democratic Party such that the Republicans have only just become the hazard, and lays everything at the feet of Trumpian vulgarity (rather than procedural fuckery and grossly antidemocratic ideological groups forming the base).

He’ll do well on the David Brooks and his team of David Brooks impersonator circuit, along with the other “Never Trumpers” who are simply waiting for an authoritarian that appeals to their highbrow aesthetic.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:19:33pm

re: #540 The Ghost of a Flea

I called somebody out on their “both sides” bullshit last night. They said they were ashamed of Democrats and Republicans both for letting Kavanaugh happen, and I said, “What more could the Democrats have done?” He totally changed the topic and rambled on a little bit about BSAB, yada yada.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:21:32pm

re: #525 Blind Frog Belly White

I dunno. That starts to feel like Joo versus Joo.

Better, IMO, to ridicule them with “Soros! EVERYBODY DRINK!!!!”

I like both responses

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:22:16pm

Luke Burns

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:28:25pm

re: #541 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I called somebody out on their “both sides” bullshit last night. They said they were ashamed of Democrats and Republicans both for letting Kavanaugh happen, and I said, “What more could the Democrats have done?” He totally changed the topic and rambled on a little bit about BSAB, yada yada.

I’ve been trying to nail jello to the wall with Republicans all weekend. They tend to balk at simple questions that would force them to accept that Kavanaugh wasn’t some kind of victim.

Two of them dropped out at the simple question of whether, if Ford’s accusations were true, Kavanaugh should be confirmed. They went into handwaving and other avoidant behaviors to not take a position.

The other said that, No, Kavanaugh should not be confirmed if it were true, but then started the handwaving and avoidant dancing when asked if he felt that the investigation was sufficient to really address the question.

When they sense they’re being led away from victimhood, they balk.

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TedStriker  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:29:52pm

re: #537 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Tom blocked me on Twitter — as best as I can tell, for asking what happens on the set of Jeopardy! if one of the contestants nervously lets loose a gnarly SBD fart during Final Jeopardy! I mean, TV sets are notorious for not allowing fans or airflow of any sort, because the mics will pick up the noise. So do they just have to sit there and marinate in it, or what? Thomas Hobbes famously said, “Curiosity is the lust of the mind.” I was just curious.

Anyway, I wouldn’t say he “hates” us, but I would say he’s still a bit blinded by the particular set of filters he chooses to see the world through. But again aren’t we all. I didn’t see anything glaringly wrong in his article.

But I still want to know about the Jeopardy! thing.

Hey, who doesn’t? Surely, there are some outtakes where this happened, where someone sharted and their opponents dropped like flies or something.

Inquiring minds want to know…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:29:54pm

re: #544 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve already unfollowed two of my friends on Facebook after drawing a line in the sand over Kavanaugh. I expect there’ll be a few more next week.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:34:14pm

re: #540 The Ghost of a Flea

Baby steps, man. Baby steps. One of my least-favorite things about “my side” is the degree to which tentative refugees from the GOP cult — and I think it’s crucial to consider it a for-real, no-shit cult — are actively and sometimes viciously discouraged.

It’s extremely rare and difficult for cult members to leave a cult on their own volition. They will often still cling to certain practices or beliefs of the cult, even as they are actively trying to extricate themselves from it. Cults exist because they are effective at seducing and controlling their members. Most cults don’t even realize they’re cults.

When someone like Tom Nichols, or Rick Wilson, or Max Boot, or Jennifer Rubin seems to say, “ok, I’ve had enough of this shit - this far, but no farther”, the wrongest possible way to react to that is to immediately take them to task for dumb shit they thought 15 minutes ago.

The correct thing to do is focus on the things you can readily agree about, and build from there. No lasting relationship has ever started with contention.

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:37:58pm

re: #547 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Baby steps, man. Baby steps. One of my least-favorite things about “my side” is the degree to which tentative refugees from the GOP cult — and I think it’s crucial to consider it a for-real, no-shit cult — are actively and sometimes viciously discouraged.

It’s extremely rare and difficult for cult members to leave a cult on their own volition. They will often still cling to certain practices or beliefs of the cult, even as they are actively trying to extricate themselves from it. Cults exist because they are effective at seducing and controlling their members. Most cults don’t even realize they’re cults.

When someone like Tom Nichols, or Rick Wilson, or Max Boot, or Jennifer Rubin seems to say, “ok, I’ve had enough of this shit - this far, but no farther”, the wrongest possible way to react to that is to immediately take them to task for dumb shit they thought 15 minutes ago.

The correct thing to do is focus on the things you can readily agree about, and build from there. No lasting relationship has ever started with contention.

The problem is those people generally leave the cult not because they have decided that it’s not for them, or that the ideology it preaches is wrong, but because they don’t like being associated with the current leadership. They are generally looking for a reason, any reason, to overlook their opposition to that leadership in order to rejoin the cult. I can already tell you that, between now and Nov 2020, Nichols will have gotten over his personal hatred of Donald Trump and be back to “Vote Republican to keep those evil Democrats from taking back the White House!”

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:39:05pm

Pia Guerra

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:42:24pm

Remember, Erick Son of Erick spent over a year acting as though he’d broken ties with the GOP and lambasted them for supporting and defending Trump. He was bandied about as one of those “NeverTrumpers” who showed just how out there the party was acting to keep Donny in power.

He decided last week that a SCOTUS seat was more important than his hatred of Donald J Trump and now wants Comrade Combover reelected.

These people do not hate the GOP, they do not hate movement conservatism, they hate a man. And when you can hold your nose and ignore the man if it gets you where you want to be, nine times outta ten you’ll do it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:48:02pm

re: #543 De Kolta Chair

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This is the Golden Age of political comedy, with a buffet of buffoons presenting themselves for mockery every day.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:48:16pm

re: #548 Targetpractice

We can burn that bridge when we get to it. But right now, today, we are faced with a fucking serious problem. I will gladly accept any opposition to that problem that I can get. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, but they are at least the enemy of my enemy. If Roosevelt and Churchill could tolerate Stalin in order to defeat Hitler, I think we can afford to tolerate Tom Nichols.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:48:41pm

re: #550 Targetpractice

Do you remember what caused John Cole to start deciding the GOP was wrong? It was the Terri Schiavo case. If you read about it, though, that case didn’t suddenly make him decide he was a Democrat. What that case did do, though, was give enough of an opening for him to start seeing, with constant nagging from DougJ and others, that other things the GOP was doing were not actually great.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:48:44pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cool, pardon the pun. My mom worked as a secretary at Northern Arizona U in “Flag” for twenty years.

Come to think of it, and I haven’t thought of it in many years, the first time I made out was in the Flagstaff cemetery during a summer high school journalism seminar. Her name was Greta, and her father owned a car dealership in Tulsa, OK. (⊙_☉)

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:49:45pm

Trump’s economy is starting.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:52:40pm

re: #552 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

We can burn that bridge when we get to it. But right now, today, we are faced with a fucking serious problem. I will gladly accept any opposition to that problem that I can get. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, but they are at least the enemy of my enemy. If Roosevelt and Churchill could tolerate Stalin in order to defeat Hitler, I think we can afford to tolerate Tom Nichols.

Maxim 29: “The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more, no less.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:56:52pm

re: #552 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

We can burn that bridge when we get to it. But right now, today, we are faced with a fucking serious problem. I will gladly accept any opposition to that problem that I can get. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, but they are at least the enemy of my enemy. If Roosevelt and Churchill could tolerate Stalin in order to defeat Hitler, I think we can afford to tolerate Tom Nichols.

Well first, Hitler tolerated Stalin for 3 years and Stalin was prepared to keep tolerating Hitler until Operation Barbarossa ended that temporary alliance. That’s a more apt analogy to what is being proposed, with both sides acknowledging openly that they hate the other and will betray them if given an opportunity. Nichols hasn’t decided that he was wrong, he’s decided he hates being associated with Donald Trump. If he decides that he hates Trump less than he hates us, then we’re back at Square Fucking One, aren’t we?

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:58:13pm

If interested, here is a link to Kamala Harris addressing The Ohio Dems Get Out the Vote Dinner.

She is coming right up.

https://ohiodems.org/live/

Edit: It is live!

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freetoken  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:58:33pm

re: #555 The Vicious Babushka

The end of the article:

Hackett, who spent 30 years in the furniture business, let go 12,000 employees during restructuring at Grand Rapids-based Steelcase and earned respect for his ability to transform business.

This is an old story. Bring in a hatchetman to increase profit (as a percentage of revenue).

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 3:59:20pm

re: #557 Targetpractice

Well first, Hitler tolerated Stalin for 3 years and Stalin was prepared to keep tolerating Hitler until Operation Barbarossa ended that temporary alliance. That’s a more apt analogy to what is being proposed, with both sides acknowledging openly that they hate the other and will betray them if given an opportunity. Nichols hasn’t decided that he was wrong, he’s decided he hates being associated with Donald Trump. If he decides that he hates Trump less than he hates us, then we’re back at Square Fucking One, aren’t we?

And if Hitler had been smart and reestablished lines with the Soviet Union, WW2 would have been a lot more expensive on our side.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:00:47pm

re: #560 Belafon

And if Hitler had been smart and reestablished lines with the Soviet Union, WW2 would have been a lot more expensive on our side.

Are we in a position where we can blow off people that don’t like Trump?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:01:02pm

Look at these freaking crybabies

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:05:41pm

Kamala Harris: One question that is important. Who are we?

Harris answers: We are better than this. We are better than this (with extra emphasis).

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:06:17pm

And now, your moment of Oz…

Youtube Video

“The Australian sun reaches around the world to roast me on my balcony.” — Clive James

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HappyWarrior  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:06:23pm

re: #562 The Vicious Babushka

Look at these freaking crybabies

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Yeah because no conservative ever bothers liberals. Kilmeade can dish it but can’t take it. Snowflake.

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Interesting Times  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:08:20pm

Okay, here’s my $.02 to address, in general, all the maximum-doomer scenarios. First:

1) If 100% of US elections were hopelessly and utterly compromised, why did Dems win so many of them, esp. the Senate race in Ala-frigging-bama?

2) Remember the first significant post-trump electoral wins, i.e. the Virginia elections last year? GOPer turnout was higher than it had been when McDonnell won back in 2009, but they lost due to the massive increase in Dem turnout.

3) Even Sarah Kendzior - hardly the sunny optimist by anyone’s standards - says that overwhelming turnout is the only way to overcome all the various forms of voter suppression, gerrymandering, and Russian fuckery. And she still advises fighting even when a loss looks almost certain.

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ObserverArt  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:08:24pm

Harris is so good. She is real with her speaking, like she is talking across a table with friends.

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Targetpractice  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:08:54pm

re: #561 Belafon

Are we in a position where we can blow off people that don’t like Trump?

I don’t know, are we? I keep getting mixed messages, one moment assured we’re headed for at least a House majority next year, the next told that we’re desperate for votes and we need to work harder.

Here’s a suggestion: Let Tom Nichols decide for himself where he stands and let him make the first effort to bridge the divide. Don’t tear into him for past “sins,” but don’t act as though we’re willing to just ignore the past to get his vote.

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:10:16pm

re: #562 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:12:22pm

re: #566 Interesting Times

Okay, here’s my $.02 to address, in general, all the maximum-doomer scenarios. First:

1) If 100% of US elections were hopelessly and utterly compromised, why did Dems win so many of them, esp. the Senate race in Ala-frigging-bama?

2) Remember the first significant post-trump electoral wins, i.e. the Virginia elections last year? GOPer turnout was higher than it had been when McDonnell won back in 2009, but they lost due to the massive increase in Dem turnout.

3) Even Sarah Kendzior - hardly the sunny optimist by anyone’s standards - says that overwhelming turnout is the only way to overcome all the various forms of voter suppression, gerrymandering, and Russian fuckery. And she still advises fighting even when a loss looks almost certain.

No matter where we are, everyone must fight. You can’t win if you don’t.

Part of Democrat’s problem is that too many people forgot that you have to fight even if you win. That also meant that too many people never learned that lesson.

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Citizen K  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:14:43pm

re: #473 CleverToad

Serious question here, I’m honestly not trying to be snarky, Citizen K: You say you’re voting and speaking out ‘because it needs to be said’, but what are you saying and where? All I’ve seen here for months is repetitive despair. I struggle with depression too, I try to be sympathetic, but I lose patience with the steady stream of sodden gloom. From one depressive to another, does posting this running threnody give you some relief? Are you asking for help or seeking company in misery? Does it lighten your mood or your load temporarily? If you voice the despair and get an answer does it reassure you that someone is listening?

As a reader, I’m at the point where I roll my eyes and skim past your posts, having heard it all before. As a fellow lizard, I still worry and wonder whether you have resources IRL to help keep your fingers on the rope.

Column A, Column B. Being able to get things off my chest in an outlet keeps me from being swallowed up, while knowing I’m not totally fucking crazy keeps me from just shutting down at this point. I just…

I’ve tried to help out. I’ve tried to do outreach and shit, tried to tackle things on a personal level. The amount of apathy to outright contempt I experience in response, either from ardent conservatives to ‘Bern It Down’ would-be progressives, the sheer lack of any accountability and rapid erosion of any sort of norms, and just the acceptance of wanton cruelty as being worth it just for cruelty’s sake has worn my soul to the nub. I’ve seen people my age or far younger willingly give themselves to the comfort of ‘ironic hate’, including folks I thought I was good friends with. I’ve spent sleepless nights worrying about my parents when they consider going out of the country, wondering if they’ll be let back in because their name and complexion is just a bit too Hispanic-looking.

I fucking want to believe. I want to believe there’s a goddamn light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how hard it might be to claw it out. I keep seeing that light fading more and more and believing that hate really is goddamn all powerful. It hurts, it fucking is painful, as someone who actually has basic empathy but with precious little resources to either act on it past a personal level or get some actual help for these moments where everything just feels like it’s going to swallow up.

I keep vacillating between incoherent rage and despondence because I care about this shit but feel too helpless when it seems like it amounts to less than nothing, that the very process of acting against this hate just makes it more powerful.

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BigPapa  Oct 7, 2018 • 4:16:49pm

re: #567 ObserverArt

Harris is so good. She is real with her speaking, like she is talking across a table with friends.

We’re not there yet, but not that far either. I could see myself voting for her as POTUS. She seems like a solid senator and has shown leadership through a very rough time in our country.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 7, 2018 • 5:12:40pm

re: #557 Targetpractice

Well first, Hitler tolerated Stalin for 3 years and Stalin was prepared to keep tolerating Hitler until Operation Barbarossa ended that temporary alliance.

So, you’re saying that attitudes towards others can sometimes drastically change? For *REASONS*?? Wow, I had never thought of that.


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