Some More News: Why Republicans and Corporations and the Media Are Failing Us on Climate Change

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1
GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:21:48pm

Republicans and corporations are only concerned about making a profit. To hell with the consequences. The media is just looking forward to all the disaster-movie-like footage they’ll get.

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:28:51pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

Republicans and corporations are only concerned about making a profit. To hell with the consequences. The media is just looking forward to all the disaster-movie-like footage they’ll get.

A totally dystopian scene.

The final disaster movie footage is probably the greatest visual story of all time.

Someone set it to play after it was all over. No one was left to watch.

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Belafon  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:36:36pm

re: #2 ObserverArt

A totally dystopian scene.

The final disaster movie footage is probably the greatest visual story of all time.

Someone set it to play after it was all over. No one was left to watch.

I had an idea for a story where we built robots to explore space. They were designed to cope with new situations, and send information back to earth. One day, they get a signal to return to earth, and what they find are all of the robots we’d built to do things like get our groceries, walk the dog, and mow the lawn repeating those tasks without any humans around. The would eventually find the source of the signal that called them home, and found a video denoting the last days of humans.

And because I believe in not having all our eggs in one basket, the epilogue contains an attempt by human colonists on Mars attempting to contact Earth.

Edited

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:38:40pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:42:27pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

But “AVENATTI 2020!!!”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:47:33pm

re: #3 Belafon

I had an idea for a story where we built robots to explore space. They were designed to cope with new situations, and send information back to earth. One day, they get a signal to return to earth, and what they find are all of the robots we’d built to do things like get our groceries, walk the dog, and mow the lawn repeating those tasks without any humans around. The would eventually find the source of the signal that called them home, and found a video denoting the last days of humans.

And because I believe in not having all our eggs in one basket, the epilogue contains an attempt by human colonists on Mars attempting to contact Earth.

Edited

Ray Bradbury wrote a story like that, except that humanity annihilated itself with nuclear war.

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Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:51:01pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Michael Cohen got exposed and possibly brought evidence into the Mueller investigation that could have been hidden or destroyed. I’d say that was worth the suit being dismissed.

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Interesting Times  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:57:49pm

Good - nothing would be sweeter than seeing the GOPers hoisted on their own vote-stealing petards:

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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2018 • 6:59:45pm

The ski area I work for made it to Jeopardy!

The Heathen has a slope of 52° at its steepest. It’s one of my favorite pitches to ski in Colorado. It’s short, but sweet!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:00:20pm
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Belafon  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:01:53pm

re: #8 Interesting Times

Good - nothing would be sweeter than seeing the GOPers hoisted on their own vote-stealing petards:

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IIRC, North Dakota doesn’t have voter registration, you just show up with a valid ID. Now they’ve got people getting IDs that probably didn’t care before, which means they suddenly probably want to vote.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:02:06pm

BREAKING NEWS!

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:13:37pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:15:20pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

INORITE?

I just read about them a few days ago on AtlasObscura. Article also described the old tradition of inflatable kiddie pools as containers for all the salted vegetable matter (though now they have purpose-made kimchi mats that just look exactly the same as kiddie pools).

…I have no idea why I want or care about these things. Never made pickles let alone kimchi.

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makeitstop  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:15:48pm

Whatever one thinks of the Warren DNA release, she used that as a springboard for a tweet storm this morning that spoke some basic, unsavory traits of Trump.

It’s a cue that Dems should take and run with in the runup to the midterms. This thread lays out the facts.

If the candidates don’t do it (and some can’t), congress members and independent orgs should. Drive that son of a bitch’s negatives as high up as they can go.

Let him refute charges all day every day and let him see how he likes it.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:18:50pm

Trump totally lost control of North Korea.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:19:04pm

re: #10 The Vicious Babushka

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Trump wants to test Elizabeth Warren personally?

Could he really be that stupid?

Yes…

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stpaulbear  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:21:10pm

re: #15 makeitstop

Stonekettle had the same type of reaction. Broadcast Trump’s shit loud and long.

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gocart mozart  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:32:39pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:34:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:36:32pm

re: #2 ObserverArt

A totally dystopian scene.

The final disaster movie footage is probably the greatest visual story of all time.

Someone set it to play after it was all over. No one was left to watch.

End of Civilization Video

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:39:53pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:40:35pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:44:45pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:49:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:49:57pm

Convince me not to tear a strip off a former coworker of mine who posted on FB about how awesome he is because he hasn’t voted since 2006 and yay freedom of choice.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:51:20pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:54:59pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Convince me not to tear a strip off a former coworker of mine who posted on FB about how awesome he is because he hasn’t voted since 2006 and yay freedom of choice.

Oh hell no. Have at it.

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Belafon  Oct 15, 2018 • 7:59:41pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Convince me not to tear a strip off a former coworker of mine who posted on FB about how awesome he is because he hasn’t voted since 2006 and yay freedom of choice.

Tell him I would trade him for an immigrant who wants to be in this country, but I doubt any other country would take him.

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Belafon  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:06:09pm

From Balloon Juice:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:08:06pm

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

Christ. Can we please retire the phrase “breaking the internet” or variants thereof.

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gocart mozart  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:08:34pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:11:27pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:15:59pm

Hey all you Trumpettes!!!!

Can’t find the (extremely) Right Love Of Your Life?

Why there’s a new dating site just for you Trump Lovers!

Yes, it’s Donald Daters!

And it’s got a special feature that allows you to block all them evil liberals!

thehill.com

And check out them testimonials!

donalddaters.com

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Belafon  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:22:24pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

In the replies:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:26:41pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey all you Trumpettes?

Can’t find the (extremely) Right Love Of Your Life?

Why there’s a new dating site just for you Trump Lovers!

Yes, it’s Donald Daters!

And it’s got a special feature that allows you to block all them evil liberals!

thehill.com

And check out them testimonials!

donalddaters.com

PREPARE THE NUKES! WE CAN’T LET THEM BREED!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:31:52pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey all you Trumpettes!!!!

Can’t find the (extremely) Right Love Of Your Life?

Why there’s a new dating site just for you Trump Lovers!

Yes, it’s Donald Daters!

And it’s got a special feature that allows you to block all them evil liberals!

thehill.com

And check out them testimonials!

donalddaters.com

Yeah it’s not a cult at all.

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makeitstop  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:32:54pm

Their big movie premiere happened tonight, at Trump’s hotel.

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:34:44pm

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

As I wrote here the other day, if you want to retire in the San Diego area you better have total assets that need 7 figures to enumerate.

It’s slid off the political stage, but retirement will increasingly become problematic in the US. We just have not paid attention to the impact that inflation is having to our retirement savings.

Yes, go by lottery tickets.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:36:02pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:37:21pm

re: #28 Unshaken Defiance

Oh hell no. Have at it.

That was my instinct. Just wanted to see if there were any compelling arguments against. :p

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:37:42pm
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freetoken  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:37:46pm

re: #25 Single-handed sailor

Understand that the Hunter family has been important to the military industrial complex. Hunter senior was an inside player for many years in Congress in funnelling money to the right places. His son inherited his name and I have no doubt that many on the DoD gravy train are being called on to help in the campaign.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:38:38pm

HEY! How come those cups are only half filled with popcorn? Did Trump skim money from the refreshment stand?

Or did the Dynamic Duo eat up the profits?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:38:42pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

“Make America Date Again”

Groan.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:39:50pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

“Make America Date Again”

Groan.

I wasn’t aware we stopped.

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gocart mozart  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:43:03pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:48:59pm

Oh No!

Marie Osmond is warning us that “Christians could lose the freedom to worship our God!”

Wondering if NutriSystem is going to cut their ties to her…

Somebody should ask Marie what she will do if the Dominionists come to full power and go after the Mormons?

friendlyatheist.patheos.com

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2018 • 8:50:41pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:01:37pm

re: #38 makeitstop

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:10:27pm

That looks much faster than the the US vertical landing procedure.

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:12:50pm

Fun fact: while Archimedes principle is true, melting floating sea ice will raise the sea level because salinity is lower in the ice, and ocean salinity decreases when the ice melts. doi.org

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:16:58pm
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sagehen  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:19:22pm

Melting floating sea ice will raise the sea level because floating sea ice is partially out of the water; when it melts, it all becomes water.

It’s like an ice cream cone; if the ice cream melts before you eat it all, it doesn’t fit in the cone.

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Belafon  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:21:57pm

re: #54 sagehen

Melting floating sea ice will raise the sea level because floating sea ice is partially out of the water; when it melts, it all becomes water.

It’s like an ice cream cone; if the ice cream melts before you eat it all, it doesn’t fit in the cone.

Ice in water doesn’t work that way. Mr. Wizard showed us that. The amount of water displaced by ice is exactly equal to the amount of water frozen.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:22:51pm

re: #53 Ace-o-aces

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danarchy  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:22:59pm

re: #53 Ace-o-aces

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You weren’t the only one to notice. The artist was asked about it on CNN.

cnn.com

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Dave In Austin  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:28:44pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:38:03pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:39:45pm
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sagehen  Oct 15, 2018 • 9:42:41pm

re: #60 Ace-o-aces

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1. Gun control works.
2. Ending stop and frisk did not change that the crime rate has been dropping for 25 years and continued dropping.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2018 • 10:18:10pm
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austin_blue  Oct 15, 2018 • 10:19:38pm

re: #51 Single-handed sailor

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That looks much faster than the the US vertical landing procedure.

They had to work out this option because earlier tests indicated that landing an F-35 vertically on the UK’s two new aircraft carriers would melt a hole in the flight deck (no shit, it really would melt a hole in the deck as built). This new landing procedure was a proof of concept but has to be confirmed in other than calm winds and seas. So we’ll see.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 15, 2018 • 10:59:24pm
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meteor  Oct 15, 2018 • 11:10:57pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2018 • 11:59:08pm

meanwhile Bozo chases coal.

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Jack Burton  Oct 16, 2018 • 12:08:45am

re: #54 sagehen

Melting floating sea ice will raise the sea level because floating sea ice is partially out of the water; when it melts, it all becomes water.

It’s like an ice cream cone; if the ice cream melts before you eat it all, it doesn’t fit in the cone.

Sea ice has little or nothing to do with rising sea levels. Rising sea levels are caused by land based glaciers and ice sheets such as Antarctica and Greenland melting and running into the ocean, as well as thermal expansion by increased temperatures.

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Jack Burton  Oct 16, 2018 • 12:10:33am

re: #66 Single-handed sailor

meanwhile Bozo chases coal.

The people here who piss their pants and set their hair on fire when they hear the word “nuclear” are just as non-helpful on this issue.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2018 • 12:18:38am

re: #64 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Moron. Cernovich seems to forget the Internet is forever. Just because he deleted his tweets doesn’t mean someone has archived them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 12:22:25am

Hey, Good News, Black Man Not Killed This Time For Being In His Own Damn Apartment! (Wonkette, more at the link):

Believe me, it’s easy to become desensitized to the random annoyances and mundane horrors of living while black in America. Yet some events are so egregious, they stand out and simultaneously demand that we stand up. Thanks to the twin innovations of cell phones and social media, we can unleash our inner Ken Burns and document the incidents that cause well-intentioned white people to exclaim, “That’s not our America!” (It totally is.) Hey, I’m fine with a little liberal naïveté if it means we can hold some racist feet to the fire, which is fortunately what’s happened to Hilary Brooke Mueller. (You know you’ve screwed up when we have to use all three of your names so the non-racist “Hilary Muellers” don’t have lousy weeks.)

D’Arreion Toles, who’s black, was returning home to his St. Louis, Missouri, condo Friday night when he encountered Mueller, who was already dressed for Halloween in a suburban racist outfit with small dog accessory. If you’re black, you know there are few things scarier. Mueller, and her little dog, too, were blocking Toles from entering the — I’m serious here, this is the actual name — Elder Shirt Lofts. For what I’m sure are non-Klanbake reasons, Mueller didn’t believe Toles belonged in the building. Maybe she thought he looked like someone who lived in the less-exclusive Old-Ass Hoodie Projects.

Our volunteer doorman demanded, without any actual authority to do so, that Toles show her his key fob and tell her his unit number. White women have freaked out so often when I’ve asked which floor to press for them on elevators that I’ve stopped doing it. You’d think Mueller would know better than to expect Toles to reveal where he lived to a total stranger. But Mueller also probably assumed that Toles wouldn’t dare question whether her white ass belonged in the building because white asses belong everywhere, including the Oval Office and the Supreme Court.

When she got home, she called the cops on him. The video he took went viral, resulting in her being fired from her job.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 16, 2018 • 12:59:30am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:06:07am

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

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A wingnut on one message board posted that you are “middle class” if your stock portfolio is worth less than $10 million.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:08:59am

Racist has to racist …

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:10:05am

re: #72 Big Beautiful Door

A wingnut on one message board posted that you are “middle class” if your stock portfolio is worth less than $10 million.

Hmm, so does my stock portfolio of “zero” make me middle class?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:22:00am

pbs.org

Dr. Denise Cummins writes on a student who during office hours expounded on the notion that libertarianism as promoted by Ayn Rand is the highest form of individual liberty.

After musing on the idea of why so many young people seem to swallow that idea, she goes into recent examples of what happens when you run anything on libertarian principles, starting with Sears.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:23:17am

re: #71 Single-handed sailor

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When Trump is right about something… it’s a freakish coincidence. Blind squirrel, stopped clock, etc.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:27:15am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

pbs.org

Dr. Denise Cummins writes on a student who during office hours expounded on the notion that libertarianism as promoted by Ayn Rand is the highest form of individual liberty.

After musing on the idea of why so many young people seem to swallow that idea, she goes into recent examples of what happens when you run anything on libertarian principles, starting with Sears.

Dumb ass cult. Its blindingly obvious that humans are social animals highly dependent on each other for survival. A human by itself on the plains of Africa is otherwise known as “lunch.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:29:12am

re: #76 sagehen

When Trump is right about something… it’s a freakish coincidence. Blind squirrel, stopped clock, etc.

You have to be an objectivist to think that a large organization can succeed by everyone doing their own thing without any thought for the best interest of the organization.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:30:17am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Hmm, so does my stock portfolio of “zero” make me middle class?

I would argue—or I would have argued before they started handing out credit cards to literally anybody—that net worth would be a better indicator, and all you need is the sign.

If your net worth is positive or zero, you’re either upper class because duh, or lower class, because nobody is going to loan you huge amounts of money. If your net worth is negative—or was until you paid off a mortgage—then you’re middle class.

Probably wouldn’t work in our current going-into-huge-debt-to-buy-cheap-Chinese-prison-made-crap-from-the-Wall*Mart-so-as-to-feel-middle-class economy, though.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:33:17am

re: #77 Big Beautiful Door

Dumb ass cult. Its blindingly obvious that humans are social animals highly dependent on each other for survival. A human by itself on the plains of Africa is otherwise known as “lunch.”

Are there any primates who live this lone-predator lifestyle they want us to embrace?

(Narrator: No, there aren’t.)

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:33:55am

Sometimes people can’t see the point.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:36:32am

re: #81 Single-handed sailor

Sometimes people can’t see the point.

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Also, its kind of expensive to run a statewide race in Texas.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:40:21am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

pbs.org

Dr. Denise Cummins writes on a student who during office hours expounded on the notion that libertarianism as promoted by Ayn Rand is the highest form of individual liberty.

After musing on the idea of why so many young people seem to swallow that idea, she goes into recent examples of what happens when you run anything on libertarian principles, starting with Sears.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:49:26am

re: #79 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I would argue—or I would have argued before they started handing out credit cards to literally anybody—that net worth would be a better indicator, and all you need is the sign.

If your net worth is positive or zero, you’re either upper class because duh, or lower class, because nobody is going to loan you huge amounts of money. If your net worth is negative—or was until you paid off a mortgage—then you’re middle class.

Probably wouldn’t work in our current going-into-huge-debt-to-buy-cheap-Chinese-prison-made-crap-from-the-Wall*Mart-so-as-to-feel-middle-class economy, though.

My net worth is positive, we own both our house and car free and clear and have no debt. Therefore we are upper class. /s

We probably have more money than Donald Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:57:43am

Regarding Sears’ bankruptcy, I saw this article:

In its bankruptcy filing on Monday, Sears argued that, given enough time and less debt, it would be able to reverse the decades-long decline of its retail business.

But the company’s latest turnaround plan looks a lot like its previous turnaround plans: close unprofitable stores, sell properties and borrow more money from the company’s chairman and largest investor, Edward S. Lampert.

Missing from that plan was any explanation of how Sears would gain the ground it had lost to big-box stores like Walmart and the e-commerce giant Amazon. In 2005, Sears had 2 percent of all retail sales. It now accounts for less than 0.3 percent, according to Customer Growth Partners, a research firm.

“Honestly, Sears is essentially dead already,” said Gerald L. Storch, the former chief executive of Toys “R” Us and Hudson’s Bay, the parent company of Saks Fifth Avenue. “Maybe it limps along for while. But it is walking zombie.”

nytimes.com

They’re finished. I’m predicting this is Sears’ last Christmas; once the holiday shopping season is over, the Chapter 11 they’ve filed will be re-filed as a Chapter 7 and the entire company - what’s left of it - will be liquidated.

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Chrysicat  Oct 16, 2018 • 1:58:00am

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹

Racist has to racist …

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And the sad part is, even though the numbers on her tweet make it look like she’s getting ratio’d, it’s all actually people who love what she said and are piling on further.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:14:47am
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Chrysicat  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:19:34am
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:26:00am

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Yes!! Good way to call her out. I wish she could see your tweet.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:28:32am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

Her getting fired from her job warms the cockles of my heart. Good.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:31:30am

re: #90 Patricia Kayden

…the cockles of my heart.

Haven’t heard that outside of Denis Leary’s Asshole song. Heh!

Asshole

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:32:26am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:34:15am

re: #91 teleskiguy

Haven’t heard that outside of Denis Leary’s Asshole song. Heh!

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What are the “cockles of your heart” and why do they need warming? (Sydney Morning Herald)

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:38:12am

Run, Taylor! Run like the wind!

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:39:37am

For all those saying Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is caving on Trump nominees to the court, that is not so:

Because of their 2013 change, Democrats cannot indefinitely block nominees since procedural objections can be overcome with a simple majority vote instead of a supermajority of 60. But they can prolong the process to an excruciating degree and are doing so in many cases, giving Senate Republicans and the White House fits.

Republicans calculate that at the current rate, it will take 11 years and four months to fill all possible Trump administration spots at an average of three and a half days spent considering each nominee.

Here is what is happening: Democrats are requiring that Republicans check all the procedural boxes on most nominees, even those they intend to eventually support. That requires the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, to request a formal “cloture” vote to move forward.

An “intervening day” is then required to allow the cloture request to “ripen.” Next is a vote to impose cloture followed by 30 hours of “post-cloture” debate before a final vote. Democrats have refused to shorten the debate time — to “yield back,” in the parlance of the Senate — though in most cases there is little to debate.

(more)

nytimes.com

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:40:06am

re: #80 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Are there any primates who live this lone-predator lifestyle they want us to embrace?

(Narrator: No, there aren’t.)

Maybe sharks or ‘gators are the only animals that are solitary predators. Most mammalian predators form packs, prides or dens. And primates are omnivores, for the most part, not predators. A lone primate does not live very long in the wild.

(IANAZ - I am not a zoologist.)

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:41:55am

re: #78 Big Beautiful Door

You have to be an objectivist to think that a large organization can succeed by everyone doing their own thing without any thought for the best interest of the organization.

Which makes me wonder if Trump is a Randian. He sure runs the White House similar to how Lampert ran Sears (down).

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:43:08am

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Piers is that guy on the boat who annoys everybody so much you toss him in the dinghy on an extra-long painter.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:46:00am

I haz voted. As an expat, I can only vote for federal offices, but I hope my tiny gesture will have some long-range effects.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:50:59am

re: #97 wheat-dogg

Which makes me wonder if Trump is a Randian. He sure runs the White House similar to how Lampert ran Sears (down).

Pretty sure that Trump has never read Atlas Shrugged since I doubt he has ever read a book, and I don’t think he even knows who Ayn Rand is.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:53:32am

re: #100 Big Beautiful Door

Pretty sure that Trump has never read Atlas Shrugged since I doubt he has ever read a book, and I don’t think he even knows who Ayn Rand is.

“Many people are talking about Ayn Rand, and all the great things she has done.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 2:56:52am

re: #99 wheat-dogg

I haz voted. As an expat, I can only vote for federal offices, but I hope my tiny gesture will have some long-range effects.

Last day to register on-line or in person in Nebraska is October 19.

Election Day:

Polls are open from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. (Central Time Zone) and 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. (Mountain Time Zone).

Any registered voter may participate in early voting by making a written request to his or her local election office by October 26.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:03:34am

Under Nebraska law, a felony conviction prohibits voting until two years after the sentence is completed. Unfortunately, the state secretary of state office doesn’t really promote on its website that convicted felons automatically have their voting rights restored two years after completion of their sentence, no action required.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:08:15am

In Colorado the last day to register if you want a mail-in ballot is 29 October. Otherwise 5 November is the last day to register to vote, you can’t register on Election Day.

I think voter registration deadlines are utter horseshit.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:08:28am

The Florida Supreme Court has ruled that Rick Scott cannot appoint new justices the day after his term as governor ends, foiling his scheme to pack the court with reactionaries.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:13:22am

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

Under Nebraska law, a felony conviction prohibits voting until two years after the sentence is completed. Unfortunately, the state secretary of state office doesn’t really promote on its website that convicted felons automatically have their voting rights restored two years after completion of their sentence, no action required.

I really hope Florida Amendment 4 passes. That will have a big impact on the Florida electorate. 1.5 million newly enfranchised folks ain’t small potatoes, especially in a state where a Presidential election was decided by 537 votes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:13:25am

re: #104 teleskiguy

In Colorado the last day to register if you want a mail-in ballot is 29 October. Otherwise 5 November is the last day to register to vote, you can’t register on Election Day.

I think voter registration deadlines are utter horseshit.

There is a minor point in favour of voter registration deadlines: Tabulating registrations does take time. Because we use mail voting across all the rural areas of the state (and optionally in the three major cities), county clerks are required to keep signature cards on file in case there is a challenge to a mail ballot.

Interestingly here, a write-in candidate filing for election can file until three days before the election.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:14:21am

re: #107 Anymouse 🌹

Interestingly here, a write-in candidate filing for election can file until three days before the election.

That is so screwy!

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:22:12am

Man, you can really get in the weeds with election law in the United States. It’s super-easy to vote in some states (Colorado, Oregon) and all kinds of roadblocks to vote can be thrown up in other states (North Dakota, Georgia).

On a federal level I think Election Day should be a National Holiday, and ballots be mailed to the voter in paper form. How the voter gets the ballot to their clerks & recorders is up to them. They can mail it back or drop it off in a secured ballot drop box.

I’ve ridden my bike to the nearest drop box the last few years, 14 miles round trip. I plan to do the same this election cycle.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:38:39am

re: #109 teleskiguy

Man, you can really get in the weeds with election law in the United States. It’s super-easy to vote in some states (Colorado, Oregon) and all kinds of roadblocks to vote can be thrown up in other states (North Dakota, Georgia).

On a federal level I think Election Day should be a National Holiday, and ballots be mailed to the voter in paper form. How the voter gets the ballot to their clerks & recorders is up to them. They can mail it back or drop it off in a secured ballot drop box.

I’ve ridden my bike to the nearest drop box the last few years, 14 miles round trip. I plan to do the same this election cycle.

I always say I’m going to take ours to the nearest drop box, which is about a six-block walk each way, to save the stamps. I always wind up just dropping them in the mail.

Well, I finally “fatigued [them] into compliance”—the return envelopes for this year’s primary were prepaid at long last.

When Oregon started with mail-in ballots, they were prepaid, but the Republicans sued, calling it “buying votes”, so Washington never tried it—until now. I wonder what changed?

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:44:50am

re: #110 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I always say I’m going to take ours to the nearest drop box, which is about a six-block walk each way, to save the stamps. I always wind up just dropping them in the mail.

Well, I finally “fatigued [them] into compliance”—the return envelopes for this year’s primary were prepaid at long last.

When Oregon started with mail-in ballots, they were prepaid, but the Republicans sued, calling it “buying votes”, so Washington never tried it—until now. I wonder what changed?

The mail-in ballots in Colorado only began in 2014, it’s been a success. 72% turnout in 2016. Mail the fucking ballot to the voter. Federal mandate.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:46:38am

re: #111 teleskiguy

Oh, and postage is paid for in Colorado if you want to mail your ballot back to your clerk & recorder, always has been since 2014.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:48:24am

re: #111 teleskiguy

The mail-in ballots in Colorado only began in 2014, it’s been a success. 72% turnout in 2016. Mail the fucking ballot to the voter. Federal mandate.

SCOTUS would strike that law down as infringing on state’s rights.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:51:09am

re: #113 Big Beautiful Door

SCOTUS would strike that law down as infringing on state’s rights.

Not if Hillary were President!

GAH! Goddamn it!

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:54:51am

re: #114 teleskiguy

Not if Hillary were President!

GAH! Goddamn it!

The double edged sword is that if Hillary was President, the GOP would retain control of Congress in the mid-terms and would not pass a law with such a federal mandate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:54:57am

re: #110 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I always say I’m going to take ours to the nearest drop box, which is about a six-block walk each way, to save the stamps. I always wind up just dropping them in the mail.

Well, I finally “fatigued [them] into compliance”—the return envelopes for this year’s primary were prepaid at long last.

When Oregon started with mail-in ballots, they were prepaid, but the Republicans sued, calling it “buying votes”, so Washington never tried it—until now. I wonder what changed?

Same here in Nebraska.

The issue was requiring postage to vote was adjudicated as a poll tax. In areas where you can only vote by mail, states requiring postage was the equivalent of a poll tax (albeit a small one).

As such, this year in Nebraska ballots are postage-paid as well.

In the last election (where we still had to pay postage), an anonymous person in our township gave money to the Post Office so anyone wanting to mail a ballot would be paid out of his or her donation.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 3:57:06am

re: #115 Big Beautiful Door

The double edged sword is that if Hillary was President, the GOP would retain control of Congress in the mid-terms and would not pass a law with such a federal mandate.

Triple, quadruple edged sword. One of those really scary swords that you only see in high fantasy role playing video games, swords that can destroy all of civilization.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 16, 2018 • 4:04:28am

re: #77 Big Beautiful Door

Dumb ass cult. Its blindingly obvious that humans are social animals highly dependent on each other for survival. A human by itself on the plains of Africa is otherwise known as “lunch.”

This is the great flaw in most prepper plans. Randian ideas infest that sub-culture. The assumption is that a single family, or even a single individual, can hunker down and hold off the hordes of blacks Mexicans others who come to steal their stuff. A little thought exposes the complete absurdity of this notion. If the proverbial stuff does hit the fan, a complete social collapse, individuals will not be able to survive on their own no matter how well prepared they are.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 4:09:58am

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This is the great flaw in most prepper plans. Randian ideas infest that sub-culture. The assumption is that a single family, or even a single individual, can hunker down and hold off the hordes of blacks Mexicans others who come to steal their stuff. A little thought exposes the complete absurdity of this notion. If the proverbial stuff does hit the fan, a complete social collapse, individuals will not be able to survive on their own no matter how well prepared they are.

Pretty much. What would likely happen is any group of people who are effective at organising would wind up as the local government.

It is noteworthy how libertarians answer questions such as “who would maintain streets and sidewalks.” Well, we’ll select amongst ourselves a group of people to decide what sort of needs have to be met and what needs to be done, &c. Essentially they argue they would form a government.

And arguments against force? What is it that protects their property when they are not home? If someone breaks in and takes their stuff, who do they call to rectify that? What taxpayer-funded organisation do they use to obtain justice? (Answer, the courts.)

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 4:25:22am

So, the next United States Ambassador to the United Nations just did this.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 4:28:45am

re: #120 teleskiguy

So, the next United States Ambassador to the United Nations just did this.

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There better be protests in the streets if she is actually picked as ambassador to anything.

And what the hell is she talking about? At least she got the source correct.

skeptics.stackexchange.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 4:34:58am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 4:43:35am

Idaho Fish and Game commissioner resigns in wake of controversial photos of Africa hunt (USA Today, more at the link):

“Fischer sent the photos in a mass email to more than 100 contacts. The pictures showed Fischer and his wife, Beth, posing with numerous animals they killed on a trip to Namibia. This was his wife’s first trip to Africa, according to the message, and she wanted to watch him and “‘get a feel’ of Africa.”

“So I shot a whole family of baboons. I think she got the idea quick.” the email read. “After we left all of the animals in Africa that were still alive we pretty happy we were on a plane headed home!”

From his resignation:

“I recently made some poor judgments that resulted in sharing photos of a hunt in which I did not display an appropriate level of sportsmanship and respect for the animals I harvested.”

Harvested?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 16, 2018 • 4:51:49am

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

Idaho Fish and Game commissioner resigns in wake of controversial photos of Africa hunt (USA Today, more at the link):

From his resignation:

“I recently made some poor judgments that resulted in sharing photos of a hunt in which I did not display an appropriate level of sportsmanship and respect for the animals I harvested.”

Harvested?

I wonder if he’ll share any of his baboon recipes?

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2018 • 4:52:31am
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:08:35am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:13:05am

It’s awake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:16:57am

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

It’s awake.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:16:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:19:25am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:21:56am

Controversial former aide to Maine’s LePage to run Medicaid (Politico, more at the link):

The Trump administration has tapped Mary Mayhew — the architect of Maine’s aggressive conservative reforms to the social safety net — to oversee the national Medicaid program. She has been an ally of outgoing Maine Gov. Paul LePage, a Republican who has fought as hard as any governor against expanding Medicaid under Obamacare.

CMS announced the move internally Monday, the day Mayhew began as the agency’s deputy administrator and director of Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program.

Mayhew served as Maine’s health commissioner for six years under LePage, leading efforts to tighten the state’s Medicaid eligibility standards, add work requirements to the food stamp program and implement other conservative reforms. She supported LePage as he rejected efforts to expand the state’s Medicaid program — repeatedly vetoing legislation and then resisting after nearly 60 percent of Maine voters approved expansion on a ballot measure in 2017. LePage is spending his final months in office fighting a court order to expand the program.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:22:24am

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

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Look here, Assange, you’ve got it a lot better than most Ecuadorian prisoners, except for not being allowed outside. So obey your keepers and start showing a little discipline if you want your privileges back.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:22:49am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Predation is a hell of a thing to watch.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:26:31am

re: #132 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Look here, Assange, you’ve got it a lot better than most Ecuadorian prisoners, except for not being allowed outside. So obey your keepers and start showing a little discipline if you want your privileges back.

He’s not a prisoner. He can walk out of the embassy any time he wants. Of course there’s that little matter of the UK wanting him on charges of jumping bail, and Sweden on a rape charge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:27:02am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:29:30am

Still going, tweet #3 this morning:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:30:25am

re: #47 gocart mozart

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:33:34am

Top of SMOTI’s blog:

RED STATE BLUES: O’Keefe Strikes in Missouri - McCaskill and Clan Exposed as Fakes and Frauds in Guns, Lies and Videotape

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:35:46am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

Top of SMOTI’s blog:

RED STATE BLUES: O’Keefe Strikes in Missouri - McCaskill and Clan Exposed as Fakes and Frauds in Guns, Lies and Videotape

Sean Hannity immediately picks that up and puts it on his Website:

CLAIRE’S CONSPIRACY? New Undercover McCaskill Footage Set to Rock DC, 2018 Midterms

Expect it to be on FOX by the end of the day, as their farm teams continue to feed them propaganda.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:35:51am

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹

He’s not a prisoner. He can walk out of the embassy any time he wants. Of course there’s that little matter of the UK wanting him on charges of jumping bail, and Sweden on a rape charge.

I think the Swedes have dropped the rape charges, but still want him for questioning. Too busy right now to check the accuracy of my meandering.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:36:36am

re: #140 wheat-dogg

I think the Swedes have dropped the rape charges, but still want him for questioning. Too busy right now to check the accuracy of my meandering.

Maryanne Nye (the Swedish state prosecutor) said the charges could not proceed without an interview, but they were not dropped.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:37:40am

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

Maryanne Nye (the Swedish state prosecutor) said the charges could not proceed without an interview, but they were not dropped.

OK, thanks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:38:25am
But she said: “If he were to return to Sweden before the statute of limitation on this case expires in August 2020, the preliminary investigation could be resumed.”

She said it was “regrettable we have not been able to carry out the investigation”, and added: “We are not making any pronouncement about guilt.”

bbc.com (2017)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:40:27am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:41:11am

re: #143 Anymouse 🌹

So, basically the “brave hero,” Julian Ass-ange, is still hiding from the cops and avoiding testimony. Maybe Ecuador can make life so difficult for JA that he’ll try to make a run for it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:46:49am

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

Still going, tweet #3 this morning:

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GFY you racist asshole.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:46:56am

Timur has a reasonable hypothesis.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:47:27am

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah because you’re the biggest racist prick on a network full of them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:47:57am

re: #145 wheat-dogg

So, basically the “brave hero,” Julian Ass-ange, is still hiding from the cops and avoiding testimony. Maybe Ecuador can make life so difficult for JA that he’ll try to make a run for it.

Britain still wants him for jumping bail, and the fellow who put up his money is pissed.

theguardian.com

Judge Refuses to Withdraw Julian Assange Arrest Warrant

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:48:25am

OT: Is there any fix for the random banner ad in messages stuff? I don’t think it’s down to an extension, since I’m in incognito mode, and the only extension I have on this comp is a Adobe PDF converter extension which is currently turned off.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:50:40am

Neil deGrasse Tyson unleashes his inner feminist.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:53:01am

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

Neil deGrasse Tyson unleashes his inner feminist.

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That does sadden me to think of the millions of women who were dismissed due to well being women.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 5:56:31am

Quick meeting. Much was accomplished. Saudi Arabia said “we didn’t do nothing.” Pompeo said “Okey-dokey. See ya around, your highness!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:00:24am

What everyone has been on tenterhooks waiting for: Winamp will return next year.

techcrunch.com

The charmingly outdated media player Winamp is being reinvented as a platform-agnostic mobile audio app that brings together all your music, podcasts and streaming services to a single location. It’s an ambitious relaunch, but the company behind it says it’s still all about the millions-strong global Winamp community — and as proof, the original desktop app is getting an official update as well.

For those who don’t remember: Winamp was the MP3 player of choice around the turn of the century, but went through a rocky period during Aol ownership (our former parent company) and failed to counter the likes of iTunes and the onslaught of streaming services, and more or less crumbled over the years. The original app, last updated in 2013, still works, but to say it’s long in the tooth would be something of an understatement (the community has worked hard to keep it updated, however). So it’s with pleasure that I can confirm rumors that substantial updates are on the way.

(more)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:04:03am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:04:25am

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹

I liked WinAmp and used for it quite awhile, because iTunes is bloatware now. But I have managed without it after I had to reinstall Windows on my laptop a couple of years ago. I hope this new version will be worth using again.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:06:04am

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:06:52am

re: #155 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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And he’s still being a bigoted jerk. And of course he’s doing this shit from his Twitter safe space.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:07:19am

Hugh Hewitt weighs in with an op-ed:

The perfect person to replace Jeff Sessions

After bloviating through several paragraphs on Trump’s genius, he gets to this.

He thinks Michael Luttig would be the perfect replacement.

And who is that? Wikipedia giveth the answer:

He served briefly in the Reagan administration, where his duties included reviewing potential judicial appointments and vetting them for ideological consistency with the administration’s policies. From 1982 to 1984, he clerked for then-Judge Antonin Scalia of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, one of the potential judges he had vetted in his prior job…

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:07:39am

I just got edumacated.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:07:49am

re: #157 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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God Ben do you ever NOT whine about transgender people? Goddamn dude, they exist, gtfo it.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:08:22am

re: #157 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

His voice is about the right timbre, too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:09:14am

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹

Hugh Hewitt weighs in with an op-ed:

The perfect person to replace Jeff Sessions

After bloviating through several paragraphs on Trump’s genius, he gets to this.

He thinks Michael Luttig would be the perfect replacement.

And who is that? Wikipedia giveth the answer:

Fits the fraud that is drain the swamp by bringing in some guy who was active in DOJ when Trump was doing blow in the early 80’s.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:12:11am

Breitbart: Melania Trump Is All Smiles in Timberland Combat Boots.

Good to see Deadbart focused on the important stuff. Perhaps they can review Donald Trump’s combat record next.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:20:53am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Like homophobic assholes, one wonders what makes Ben soooooo worries about trans people.I have a sneaking suspicion that Ben has some big ass skeletons in his closet.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:24:10am

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

I agree with Cheryl Rofer over at Balloon Juice on this:

Last night, I told a friend that Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test was a strategic mistake. I haven’t wanted to say much about it, because I didn’t want to add fuel to the fire. But Democrats and others opposing Donald Trump have to get strategically smarter.

Never let your opponent set the terms of debate.

History shows that Trump is a piker. The $1 million challenge gives him an opportunity to continue the smear. And there was no way he would stop the “Pocahontas” thing in response to a DNA test. Negative commentary from Native Americans gave him more ammunition. All that was predictable.

Trump gets some things right, and his idea of hitting back hard is one of them. Warren should have, the first time Trump said “Pocahontas,” hit back hard by calling that for what it was. RACISM. Say that her heritage, like everyone else’s, has nothing to do with her eligibility for office. Give the story of Pocahontas and show how the wrongs against her are perpetrated by Trump’s bigotry.

I don’t want to make a big thing out of this - we have more important points to make as we move toward the election. But please, please, Democrats get smart about this.

Never let your opponent set the terms of debate.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:25:11am

re: #165 A Mom Anon

Like homophobic assholes, one wonders what makes Ben soooooo worries about trans people.I have a sneaking suspicion that Ben has some big ass skeletons in his closet.

Yep. The thought’s occurred to me as well.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:27:54am

re: #166 Belafon

As much as I want to give Warren more of the benefit of the doubt on this, Cheryl has a point. I mentioned elsewhere that a move like this assumes good faith in the response, which was a serious unforced error when engaging an attack that was already rooted in bad faith, both in the attack itself and the coverage of it. She was never going to get a fair shake response.

That said, I understand why she was getting this out of the way before it became even more of an albatross in years down the line. But just because it was a ‘damned if you do’ situation doesn’t mean it wasn’t a mistake.

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Weaselone  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:29:57am

re: #166 Belafon

I agree with Cheryl Rofer over at Balloon Juice on this:

Republicans always set the terms of the debate. That’s what having control of a significant portion of the media and having the rest eating out of your hand does.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:38:38am

re: #166 Belafon

Never let your opponent set the terms of debate.

There was no debate. He constantly lied about her. Scott Brown did before him.

Trump has a platform of millions with his Twitter account and Nuremberg rallies where he constantly whips the lie.

Not addressing propaganda means it spreads.

Wingnuts are going to believe whatever they are told. The lie must be addressed to deal with the folks who don’t know or are unsure.

Put yourself in Sen. Warren’s position, or Dr. Ford’s. Would you just roll over as the president repeatedly lied about you?

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Weaselone  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:42:20am

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹

I have to assume that nobody remembers John Kerry and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:44:42am

re: #171 Weaselone

I have to assume that nobody remembers John Kerry and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

Yup. Or the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood murders after Carly Fiorina’s “they sell baby parts” remarks. Or Dr. Tiller’s assassination after endless flogging of him as a “baby killer” by FOX. Or Comet Ping-Pong getting shot up by a wingnut over Pizzagate.

Propaganda and lies must be firmly and forcefully addressed or they sway people.

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jeffreyw  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:45:04am

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Good morning!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:47:25am

re: #171 Weaselone

I have to assume that nobody remembers John Kerry and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

But they can sure recite the latest goings on about the Lardassians!

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:50:38am

re: #171 Weaselone

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹

It’s not to say she shouldn’t have fought back against Trump’s bullshit. But again, she did it in a way that seemed to indulge it in good faith and responded in good faith in kind, and now it’s being hammered into her face repeatedly in further attacks. Her tweet responses in the aftermath of the report were just as valid without the DNA rigmarole and ideally would have been a more effective response. She validated the attacks, and played the game as Trump laid out rather than attack the legitimacy of the game itself. Especially when she knew they’d Calvinball her regardless of her response or the results.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:52:05am

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹

Which is why she recommended changing the subject a bit. Make it about his name calling.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:54:47am

re: #175 Citizen K

re: #176 Belafon

Well, I can’t say if I’d have been as civil as she was putting up with this crap for years.

Because of the endless carousels of Dumpster fires in the maladministration, much of this will be forgotten by the end of the day.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 6:59:07am

re: #165 A Mom Anon

Like homophobic assholes, one wonders what makes Ben soooooo worries about trans people.I have a sneaking suspicion that Ben has some big ass skeletons in his closet.

Me too. He ALWAYS brings TG people without fail into the conversation.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:01:53am

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I can’t say if I’d have been as civil as she was putting up with this crap for years.

Because of the endless carousels of Dumpster fires in the maladministration, much of this will be forgotten by the end of the day.

I wouldn’t be anywhere near as civil either, but then again, that’s why I’m not running for any office anytime soon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:01:55am

Chattanooga Times-Free Press political cartoon is a hoot:

timesfreepress.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:05:56am

Meanwhile you have Kevin McCarthy’s cousin who may have falsely claimed Cherokee ancestry and gotten tax payer money for it. The “worst” thing Warren did was believe a family legend to be true. Yes, she’s not culturally Cherokee at all and I get that complaint but what the fuck was she realistically supposed to do if she’s going to run for President. FWIW I have a Swiss ancestor at around the same point where Warren has NA ancestry. I really don’t claim it but Warren did say her mother’s family being rumored to have Cherokee heritage is why her Dad’s family didn’t think much of her mother so that definitely had an influence whereas my Swiss is something that never would have been known if I hadn’t reaearched it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:06:57am

re: #176 Belafon

Which is why she recommended changing the subject a bit. Make it about his name calling.

And that’s what it should be about. It should be about that he uses a stupid slur to attack her due to the fact that she and it turns our correctly believed a bit of family lore to be true.

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Interesting Times  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:08:20am

This is actually a good point - Cheeto Benito wants the focus to be on him:

Far more effective (and hell, I remember saying this during the 2016 campaign) is to relentlessly hammer how horrible and harmful the GOPer policies are:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:10:18am

re: #183 Interesting Times

This is actually a good point - Cheeto Benito wants the focus to be on him:

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Agree.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:13:13am
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Interesting Times  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:13:54am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Agree.

“The GOP’s ignorance is killing us” is a great slogan right there - sharp, memorable, and short enough to fit on a bumper sticker (in fact, the best attacks against the GOP tend to come from genuine Never-Trumpers like Rubin and Steve Schmidt. Since they used to be on the GOPer side, they’re well aware of how all their framing and propaganda tricks work. They know the enemy in a way Dems don’t.)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:14:45am

re: #186 Interesting Times

“The GOP’s ignorance is killing us” is a great slogan right there - sharp, memorable, and short enough to fit on a bumper sticker (in fact, the best attacks against the GOP tend to come from genuine Never-Trumpers like Rubin and Steve Schmidt. Since they used to be on the GOPer side, they’re well aware of how all their framing and propaganda tricks work. They know the enemy in a way Dems don’t.)

Yeah especially a guy like Schmidt.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:15:43am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

And that’s what it should be about. It should be about that he uses a stupid slur to attack her due to the fact that she and it turns our correctly believed a bit of family lore to be true.

Well, his stupid slurs seem to be effective when not addressed.

Attacking Carly Fiorina’s looks.
Accusing Ted Cruz’s father as an assassin of John F. Kennedy.
Accusing Dr. Ford of lying.

Perhaps taking the attack to him might be a better strategy, particularly if the message was the same every time someone was attacked.

“You’re a fool.”

Hundreds or thousands of times on every one of his tweets. Nothing else is really required.

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Charmingly Persistent  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:18:51am

re: #104 teleskiguy

In Colorado the last day to register if you want a mail-in ballot is 29 October. Otherwise 5 November is the last day to register to vote, you can’t register on Election Day.

I think voter registration deadlines are utter horseshit.

You CAN register to vote on Election Day. Go to a voting center, register, and vote.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:20:26am

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹

Well, his stupid slurs seem to be effective when not addressed.

Attacking Carly Fiorina’s looks.
Accusing Ted Cruz’s father as an assassin of John F. Kennedy.
Accusing Dr. Ford of lying.

Perhaps taking the attack to him might be a better strategy, particularly if the message was the same every time someone was attacked.

“You’re a fool.”

Hundreds or thousands of times on every one of his tweets. Nothing else is really required.

I didn’t say it should be ignored. I said the main focus should be on the stupid slur not that Warren had a NA ancestor 200-300 years ago. The fact that the bigoted son of a bitch actually thinks this is clever and funny should be attacked.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:20:48am

re: #183 Interesting Times

From the same thread.

Swiftboating and the Purple Heart bandages were the trolling of the day. Good thing President Kerry ignored it.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:21:15am

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not saying, and Cheryl isn’t saying, don’t respond. Trump, though, is taking advantage of the fact that Democrats want to present facts, and think the other side can be shamed into admitting they were wrong. That’s what we have to stop doing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:22:21am

re: #192 Belafon

I’m not saying, and Cheryl isn’t saying, don’t respond. Trump, though, is taking advantage of the fact that Democrats want to present facts, and think the other side can be shamed into admitting they were wrong. That’s what we have to stop doing.

Yeah Trump isn’t the kind of guy who when he fucks up says “My bad.” He doubles down which is why you saw the Pocohontas SLUR Again this morning.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:23:40am

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹

From the same thread.

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Swiftboating and the Purple Heart bandages were the trolling of the day. Good thing President Kerry ignored it.

Who’s saying to ignore it AM? We’re saying to change the focus. Listen, I’m glad from a personal stand point that she took the test but it’s not going to shut him up. Focus on the fact that it’s an ugly slur he uses, the fact that his latest SCOTUS pick was the deciding vote on a case that made it harder for NAs to vote, etc.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:24:30am

re: #192 Belafon

I’m not saying, and Cheryl isn’t saying, don’t respond. Trump, though, is taking advantage of the fact that Democrats want to present facts, and think the other side can be shamed into admitting they were wrong. That’s what we have to stop doing.

Not just Trump. Conservatives have been at this all my life. Propaganda must be opposed, every time it appears.

The issue is not trying to convert those in the conservative religion. The issue is to provide the truth to those on the fence or who don’t know.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:26:41am

re: #192 Belafon

I’m not saying, and Cheryl isn’t saying, don’t respond. Trump, though, is taking advantage of the fact that Democrats want to present facts, and think the other side can be shamed into admitting they were wrong. That’s what we have to stop doing.

This. Stop engaging the attacks like they’re in good faith and will be neutralized by just mere presentation of the facts. We have to attack frame of the arguments, not the arguments themselves. We have to stop engaging them like they’re interested in good faith. Ignoring the attacks lets them fester, engaging in them like they’re valid arguments simply validates them in the eyes of the public. Stop letting them set the terms and attack the frame. Stop letting them determine that they get to start on our 30 yd. line and we must start on the same line. They make it sound ‘reasonable’ to the media morons, but it means they get away with half the effort, every time.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:32:30am

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

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And quit making so much noise in the basement.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:33:05am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:34:25am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

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Haha.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:35:08am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

Controversial former aide to Maine’s LePage to run Medicaid (Politico, more at the link):

Again putting a person who hates kids in charge of the daycare center.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:35:19am

re: #196 Citizen K

I see what you mean in attacking the framing.

Pro-life=foetus worship, pro-death penalty.
&c.

Attacking the framing can occur every time you attack a lie. Bat down both the lie and the framing.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:35:35am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Me too. He ALWAYS brings TG people without fail into the conversation.

Well, I just did a Google search on Benita Shapiro and video links and some other links go to Ben Shapiro.

So, maybe it is Ben that has gone through cha-cha-changes.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:37:09am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

I see what you mean in attacking the framing.

Pro-life=foetus worship, pro-death penalty.
&c.

Attacking the framing can occur every time you attack a lie. Bat down both the lie and the framing.

But that’s part of the problem: all too often, we attack the lie without attacking the frame, and it just lets the lie fester, particularly the same way that a correction in the newspaper never gets the same attention as the errant story did in the first place.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:37:34am

re: #202 ObserverArt

Well, I just did a Google search on Benita Shapiro and video links and some other links go to Ben Shapiro.

So, maybe it is Ben that has gone through cha-cha-changes.

I dunno man but it’s fucking unhealthy to be fixated with the gender identity of strangers.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:39:35am

I’m no communications genius but I’d point out that Native Americans have faced a lot of crap in this country and yet they still proudly serve it honorably in ways that Trump and his sons never have. Ira Hayes, the Navajo codetalkers, Ely Parker(especially since Trump was name dropping U.S. Grant recently), etc.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:40:04am

re: #183 Interesting Times

This is actually a good point - Cheeto Benito wants the focus to be on him:

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Yes Trump’s approval ratings were the worst when Congress was trying to pass the extremely unpopular Obamacare repeal. Healthcare has been an extremely effective issue for Democrats this election season, to the extent that Republicans are claiming to be for protecting people with pre-existing conditions, at the exact same time they are trying to get the courts to eliminate those protections.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:40:24am

I just went over to Wikipedia to read about what the Oklahoma Cherokee Nation requires as membership in the tribe.

It turns out the amount of Cherokee blood is not what matters. (The current president of the tribe is only 3% Cherokee.) What matters is if you have an ancestor on the Dawes Rolls (a registry created in 1893).

It would appear that the conservative whinging about Elizabeth Warren’s percentage of Cherokee blood could be applied to the tribal president.

He is also a Democrat, an added bonus if they want to attack him.

en.wikipedia.org (Wikipedia, Bill John Baker)

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:40:46am

re: #196 Citizen K

I will admit that it’s hard, because we have worked all our lives to try to fix things, which requires facts.

So, here’s the fact we need to start with: “Are you, person who says something, willing to listen to evidence and admit you are wrong?” If the answer to that is no, announce it, and don’t get sucked into what they want.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:45:24am

re: #208 Belafon

I will admit that it’s hard, because we have worked all our lives to try to fix things, which requires facts.

So, here’s the fact we need to start with: “Are you, person who says something, willing to listen to evidence and admit you are wrong?” If the answer to that is no, announce it, and don’t get sucked into what they want.

Yup. In the Bill Nye - Ken Ham debate, Mr. Nye asked him the very same question, and Ham said no.

For example, you can’t reason with this guy. All you can do is point out to everyone he is an idiot.

(sixteen seconds)

Questioning Darwin “If the Bible said 2+2=5”

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Weaselone  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:45:50am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

I see what you mean in attacking the framing.

Pro-life=foetus worship, pro-death penalty.
&c.

Attacking the framing can occur every time you attack a lie. Bat down both the lie and the framing.

I think this response shows how difficult it is to attack the framing. Republicans don’t worship the fetus. They could care less about it. If they cared, they would be proposing plans to improve maternal health, cover all prenatal care and limit toxins in the environment hazardous to fetal development. They aren’t. Their stance is literally opposition to a procedure.

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Interesting Times  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:52:00am

Again, Jennifer Rubin’s little intros to her column-tweets are a perfect example of effective framing:

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:52:52am

re: #173 jeffreyw

That looks so delicious!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:55:24am

re: #211 Interesting Times

Again, Jennifer Rubin’s little intros to her column-tweets are a perfect example of effective framing:

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It never mattered to them. It’s always been about getting their guys on the court and having their asses kissed. Jimmy Carter is a much more devout Christian than Trump ever will be in both words and practice and they love Trump but loathe Carter because Carter hasn’t kissed their ass and didn’t give them wingnut judges.

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jeffreyw  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:56:21am

re: #212 plansbandc

That looks so delicious!

Thanks! Huevos are my favorite thing again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:56:22am

Pentagon data breach compromises up to 30,000 workers (Endgadget)

The Pentagon still has to grapple with data security woes despite efforts to harden its sites and networks. Defense Department officials have revealed that a travel record data breach at an unnamed contractor exposed the personal info of military and civilian staffers, including credit cards. An AP source said that this didn’t compromise classified material, but it affected “as many as” 30,000 workers. There’s a chance that number might get larger, according to the source.

It’s not certain when the intrusion took place. Department staff warned leaders on October 4th after discovering the breach, but it might have taken place earlier and gone unnoticed. The organization is contacting affected individuals in the days ahead and promises fraud protection services.

(more)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:58:11am

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹

Defense Department officials have revealed that a travel record data breach at an unnamed contractor exposed the personal info of military and civilian staffers

as the US military relies more and more on private contractors in keeping with the Administration’s free-market ideals by granting no-bid cost-plus contracts to well-connected bidders

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 16, 2018 • 7:59:49am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Yeah Trump isn’t the kind of guy who when he fucks up says “My bad.” He doubles down which is why you saw the Pocohontas SLUR Again this morning.

I refer to him as “Hitler” because of his German heritage, so it’s all good.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:01:41am

re: #217 Eventual Carrion

I refer to him as “Hitler” because of his German heritage, so it’s all good.

Ha! I like Baron Von Stupid.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:02:35am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

It never mattered to them. It’s always been about getting their guys on the court and having their asses kissed. Jimmy Carter is a much more devout Christian than Trump ever will be in both words and practice and they love Trump but loathe Carter because Carter hasn’t kissed their ass and didn’t give them wingnut judges.

Jimmy Carter has done more of God’s work in any 60 seconds of his life than all of those Republican Pulpit Pimps have done in their whole lives.

And that includes the time Jimmy Carter is asleep.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:03:45am

re: #210 Weaselone

I think this response shows how difficult it is to attack the framing. Republicans don’t worship the fetus. They could care less about it. If they cared, they would be proposing plans to improve maternal health, cover all prenatal care and limit toxins in the environment hazardous to fetal development. They aren’t. Their stance is literally opposition to a procedure.

Well, true, they don’t actually give a diddly damn about a foetus.

That said, their public stance is akin to foetus worship.

The framing could be around hypocrisy. “Don’t ask what they believe, ask what they do.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:03:59am

re: #219 Joe Bacon 🌹

Jimmy Carter has done more of God’s work in any 60 seconds of his life than all of those Republican Pulpit Pimps have done in their whole lives.

And that includes the time Jimmy Carter is asleep.

He lives it. Men like Reagan talked it.

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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:05:48am

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

Well, true, they don’t actually give a diddly damn about a foetus.

That said, their public stance is akin to foetus worship.

The framing could be around hypocrisy. “Don’t ask what they believe, ask what they do.”

Orthopraxy not orthodoxy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:12:03am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

He lives it. Men like Reagan talked it.

While Nancy planned his schedule based on advice from her personal Astrologer.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:12:57am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:13:50am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

It never mattered to them. It’s always been about getting their guys on the court and having their asses kissed. Jimmy Carter is a much more devout Christian than Trump ever will be in both words and practice and they love Trump but loathe Carter because Carter hasn’t kissed their ass and didn’t give them wingnut judges.

Of course, since having Conservative con-man hate-preachers put their grubby hands on a scumbag does not make that scumbag Christian.

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:16:28am

re: #214 jeffreyw

There’s a place here that makes Huevos on Indian fry bread. It’s insanely delicious.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:21:53am
In 2008, thanks in large part to Purdue University turnout, Obama won the county of Tippecanoe, Indiana. Those 18-29 years old Indiana voters, like their counterparts in NC, tipped the state for him.

Alas, in 2010 and 2014 we all know those 18-29 voters failed to show up and support Obama’s agenda…

Which brings me to today’s welcome news, led by big turnout from Purdue University, Tippecanoe County posted a 700%, yes you read that RIGHT, a whopping 700% increase over first day of 2014 early voting.

dailykos.com

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jeffreyw  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:27:31am

re: #226 plansbandc

There’s a place here that makes Huevos on Indian fry bread. It’s insanely delicious.

Now I have to do that! In my deep dive* into tradition cuisines I have seen them served atop a tortilla but fry bread seems a step up.

*looking at many Google search images

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:27:59am

re: #173 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Good evening!

frogs living in a palm tree outside our front door

at night, they roam onto the walls and screens….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:30:56am

re: #224 Ace-o-aces

Renewable energy: dumbest phrase since climate change. See the first law of thermodynamics, dumbass.

Yep, once the wind and sun have been used up, there is no renewing them…

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:32:10am

I’m happy to see that some remain so optimistic about their fellow Americans that they think just ignoring the “Pocahontas” jabs or even calling Trump a racist for saying them would be enough to put the matter to rest. Because Trump is just a single guy, right? The crank on the corner screaming insults and not the POTUS with the backing of a political party and a 24hr propaganda network to support him, right?

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:34:19am

re: #231 Targetpractice

Well, we could be talking about Trump being racist and using Pocahontas. Instead, people have been talking about Warren’s DNA results.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:35:06am

re: #232 Belafon

Well, we could be talking about Trump being racist and using Pocahontas. Instead, people have been talking about Warren’s DNA results.

People have been talking about him being a racist and the stupidity of the insult since 2016. Has that made it go away?

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jeffreyw  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:36:50am

re: #226 plansbandc

There’s a place here that makes Huevos on Indian fry bread. It’s insanely delicious.

I dug out a taco I did with fry bread awhile back:

Imgur

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:37:12am

George Lakoff has been preaching about framing to the choir for years and years.

2004 edition of Don’t Think of an Elephant—Know your values and frame the debate:

Don’t Think of an Elephant! is the definitive handbook for understanding what happened in the 2004 election and communicating effectively about key issues facing America today. Author George Lakoff has become a key advisor to the Democratic party, helping them develop their message and frame the political debate.

In this book Lakoff explains how conservatives think, and how to counter their arguments. He outlines in detail the traditional American values that progressives hold, but are often unable to articulate. Lakoff also breaks down the ways in which conservatives have framed the issues, and provides examples of how progressives can reframe the debate.

amazon.com

2014 edition:

Ten years after writing the definitive, international bestselling book on political debate and messaging, George Lakoff returns with new strategies about how to frame today’s essential issues.

Called the “father of framing” by The New York Times, Lakoff explains how framing is about ideas―ideas that come before policy, ideas that make sense of facts, ideas that are proactive not reactive, positive not negative, ideas that need to be communicated out loud every day in public.

The ALL NEW Don’t Think of an Elephant! picks up where the original book left off―delving deeper into how framing works, how framing has evolved in the past decade, how to speak to people who harbor elements of both progressive and conservative worldviews, how to counter propaganda and slogans, and more.

amazon.com

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jeffreyw  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:39:03am

re: #229 dangerman

Good evening!

frogs living in a palm tree outside our front door

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We get the odd peeper frogs on windows but I’m jealous of your frog house.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:40:07am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I’m no communications genius but I’d point out that Native Americans have faced a lot of crap in this country and yet they still proudly serve it honorably in ways that Trump and his sons never have. Ira Hayes, the Navajo codetalkers, Ely Parker(especially since Trump was name dropping U.S. Grant recently), etc.

Jim Thorpe

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:41:17am

How many times and ways did we hear this conversation:

“Trump is a racist!”

“So, you’re saying I’m a racist?”

“What?”

“Well, I support Trump, so you’re saying I’m a racist!”

“I’m not saying you’re a racist, I’m saying you’re condoning racism by supporting Trump.”

“HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM CALLING ME A RACIST?!”

“The man is a racist, so why do you support him?”

“Because people like you keep calling me a racist!”

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:41:51am

I may have posted this before, but it’s so perfect…

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:43:47am
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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:48:13am
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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:48:40am

Like I said last night, the point of getting this DNA test out there now is about getting it over and done with now. So we have this debate now, not Fall 2020 when we can be focusing on the issues rather than whether or not Prof. Warren has Native American DNA in her genome. So that, if he tries this shit during a debate, she can respond “I already showed my proof, Donald, now will you pay up?” Just responding to his jabs on the campaign trail by saying “He’s a racist” doesn’t put the matter to rest, it just gives the “liberal press” another reason to start up their “Democrats are calling people racists again!” bit…again.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:50:21am

re: #234 jeffreyw

I dug out a taco I did with fry bread awhile back:

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That’s not a taco.

It is very pretty, though. And colorful.

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retired cynic  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:51:27am

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

My net worth is positive, we own both our house and car free and clear and have no debt. Therefore we are upper class. /s

We probably have more money than Donald Trump.

It’s not net worth. It’s cash flow. [speaking from deep experience as a farmer]

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:52:17am

re: #241 gocart mozart

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Exhibit A in how you get at Trump: You don’t simply call him names, you get under his skin. You keep poking at his ego until he lashes out, then use the lashing out to draw him into making mistakes. Instead of calling him a “racist” repeatedly, show he’s talking out his ass and then turn the insults against him by goading him into proving he’s who he says he is. Such as Prof. Warren has done by showing he’s talking out his ass about her ancestry and then turning it on him by calling him out on how his own stories about his “success” are a crock of shit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:52:38am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Ha! I like Baron Von Stupid.

Trump is not stupid. He is a genius at marketing himself and his ideas. Dr. Ford showed herself to be credible; Kavanaugh proved that his temperament was unsuited for being a judge, let alone a SC judge, yet Trump turned the tables at one of his Nuremberg rallies and the rest of the vultures followed with classic DARVO: it’s the alcoholic who is innocent, the woman a liar out to destroy our husbands and sons.

The whole parallel Faux News/Breitbart/RW media world supports any dishonesty he promotes. If you challenge a statement and point out that Politifact or Snopes disproves it, they will retort that your views have been totally discredited by one of their RW propaganda outlets.

We appear to be in a box — at least partly because the MSM continues to report their lies in a he said/she said narrative, instead of doing their job on a daily basis and calling them out for what they are: liars.

We live in an alternative facts world where every lie is given equal or more credence than the truth.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 8:59:03am

re: #241 gocart mozart

Why in Texas other than shopping for a sympathetic judge?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:03:37am

re: #232 Belafon

Well, we could be talking about Trump being racist and using Pocahontas. Instead, people have been talking about Warren’s DNA results.

The Blood Libel behind this is the insinuation that Warren used her “native American” status to gain access to a favorable position through affirmative action.

That is not the case at all, as any investigation of the issue would demonstrate, but that is now an established RWNJ point of faith.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:05:03am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:07:06am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:07:36am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

He lives it. Men like Reagan talked it.

What evangelicalism should be, instead of the white nationalism men like Falwell and Graham promote.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:08:34am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“The Blood Libel behind this is the insinuation that Warren used her “native American” status to gain access to a favorable position through affirmative action.”

Unlike the virtuous Trump who never lied, scammed and cheated his way to make a fortune.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:08:37am

re: #249 Patricia Kayden

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And now we’re into Act 2 of this familiar bit of political theater: After months of assuring folks that the (Insert Repub name) Tax Cuts would “pay for themselves” and then some through an “economic boom,” Republicans use the resulting ballooning deficits to scream we can’t afford the keep spending money and so must cut “entitlements.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:10:03am

re: #249 Patricia Kayden

— Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says the U.S. budget deficit is “disturbing” and spending on entitlement programs must be addressed by both Republicans and Democrats.

Yes, the massive tax cuts were only the tip of the iceberg, the plan all along was to use the massive budget shortfall to start cutting social programs.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:10:15am

Lindsay “Huckleberry Closetcase” Graham wants that AG job so badly, he can taste it…

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:12:24am

Ditto.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:13:57am

re: #249 Patricia Kayden

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:15:36am
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jeffreyw  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:17:53am

re: #243 sagehen

That’s not a taco.

It is very pretty, though. And colorful.

It’s sammich done in the taco style. I call it a fry bread taco. Sue me.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:18:51am

re: #258 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:20:11am

re: #227 Belafon

dailykos.com

Tippecanoe was purple when I lived there in the 90s because Lafayette was so conservative while West Lafayette had more of the liberal academic types. Good to hear!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:25:58am

re: #246 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump is not stupid. He is a genius at marketing himself and his ideas. Dr. Ford showed herself to be credible; Kavanaugh proved that his temperament was unsuited for being a judge, let alone a SC judge, yet Trump turned the tables at one of his Nuremberg rallies and the rest of the vultures followed with classic DARVO: it’s the alcoholic who is innocent, the woman a liar out to destroy our husbands and sons.

The whole parallel Faux News/Breitbart/RW media world supports any dishonesty he promotes. If you challenge a statement and point out that Politifact or Snopes disproves it, they will retort that your views have been totally discredited by one of their RW propaganda outlets.

We appear to be in a box — at least partly because the MSM continues to report their lies in a he said/she said narrative, instead of doing their job on a daily basis and calling them out for what they are: liars.

We live in an alternative facts world where every lie is given equal or more credence than the truth.

He’s incredibly stupid in a lot of other areas.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:28:38am
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steve_davis  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:30:05am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Ray Bradbury wrote a story like that, except that humanity annihilated itself with nuclear war.

you talking about the one in which the house with all the automatic features winds up finally self-destructing one day after what is apparently a nuclear holocaust? Damn, that’s a haunting story. Impressively, it showed up in a literature anthology I taught out of one year. Someone had very good taste.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:34:41am

re: #264 steve_davis

you talking about the one in which the house with all the automatic features winds up finally self-destructing one day after what is apparently a nuclear holocaust? Damn, that’s a haunting story. Impressively, it showed up in a literature anthology I taught out of one year. Someone had very good taste.

I remember reading that as a kid, “There Will Come Soft Rains”

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:48:27am

re: #236 jeffreyw

We get the odd peeper frogs on windows but I’m jealous of your frog house.

we didnt build it
they came anyway…

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:51:48am

re: #238 Targetpractice

How many times and ways did we hear this conversation:

“Trump is a racist!”

“So, you’re saying I’m a racist?”

“What?”

“Well, I support Trump, so you’re saying I’m a racist!”

“I’m not saying you’re a racist, I’m saying you’re condoning racism by supporting Trump.”

“HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM CALLING ME A RACIST?!”

“The man is a racist, so why do you support him?”

“Because people like you keep calling me a racist!”

if you support a racist politician then, yes, you are a racist.
(because what racist politician does not want to institute racist policies?)

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:52:25am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:53:16am

re: #265 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember reading that as a kid, “There Will Come Soft Rains”

My embedding failed, but if you Google it, it’s available as a PDF. I don’t know if it’s public domain, but it should be. These future people who got nuked lived far too structured lives for my liking.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:53:43am

re: #243 sagehen

That’s not a taco.

It is very pretty, though. And colorful.

maybe it identifies as a taco

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:54:12am
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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 9:56:25am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Blood Libel behind this is the insinuation that Warren used her “native American” status to gain access to a favorable position through affirmative action.

That is not the case at all, as any investigation of the issue would demonstrate, but that is now an established RWNJ point of faith.

this is the salient point
whatever her ‘dna’, it was all a lie from the start

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jeffreyw  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:01:53am

re: #266 dangerman

we didnt build it
they came anyway…

The best kind!

Imgur

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:04:45am

re: #264 steve_davis

you talking about the one in which the house with all the automatic features winds up finally self-destructing one day after what is apparently a nuclear holocaust? Damn, that’s a haunting story. Impressively, it showed up in a literature anthology I taught out of one year. Someone had very good taste.

YouTube

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Chrysicat  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:05:29am
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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:06:59am

re: #272 dangerman

this is the salient point
whatever her ‘dna’, it was all a lie from the start

True, it was a lie from the start, but it’s a lie that has evolved and expanded with time. The original lie that Scott Brown concocted was that she’d lied about being Native American to further her career. The Boston Globe investigated and stated that it found no evidence that this was the case.

But by then, the lie has expanded from “She lied to get ahead” to “She’s lying about having NA ancestors,” that it was no longer simply about something she’d marked on a paper decades ago, now she was lying that she had any NA ancestry at all. Again, the Boston Globe did the footwork and found that there was documents to show she had an ancestor listed as a full-blooded Cherokee.

Except the goalposts had moved again, to where they sat prior to yesterday: “This woman doesn’t have a drop of NA blood in her! She’s a white woman claiming to have NA ancestry!” The DNA tests have killed that bit dead, which isn’t surprising for someone who hails from Nebraska.

So where are the goalposts now? “She doesn’t have enough NA DNA to qualify as a member of the tribe!”

Anyone beginning to see a pattern?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:07:32am

re: #275 Chrysicat

There’s a huge amount of waste and fraud that can be eliminated without endangering people. If nothing is done these programs will go broke, and then everyone loses.

It’s not about curtailing fraud, waste or abuse, it is about eliminating whole programs.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:09:36am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:14:31am
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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:15:52am
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terraincognita  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:16:49am

re: #276 Targetpractice

Pro tip to Republicans: When moving the goalposts lift with your legs not with your back.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:17:05am

Well here’s a question I never thought I’d have to ask:

Who was the President of United States referring to as “horseface”?

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Chrysicat  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:18:55am

re: #282 Eclectic Cyborg

Stormy. Who else?

This was his victory lap for having her lawsuit thrown out, together with an announcement he’s countersuing to get her back for breaking the NDA.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:19:17am

re: #282 Eclectic Cyborg

Well here’s a question I never thought I’d have to ask:

Who was the President of United States referring to as “horseface”?

A woman he paid to have sex with. He may have mixed her up with a fascist commentator who resembles his remark.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:19:52am

re: #283 Chrysicat

Stormy. Who else?

This was his victory lap for having her lawsuit thrown out, together with an announcement he’s countersuing to get her back for breaking the NDA.

He always has to take his failure-as-a-human lap when he gets away with something.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:20:16am

Today’s Winner from FB

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:22:27am

re: #275 Chrysicat

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“Waste and fraud” is on the same level as “End all foreign aid,” i.e. it’s something that sounds “safe” because you tell yourself that nobody’s ox is going to get gored and it fits with the public perception that most government spending it wasteful and if you just cut out the waste then what remains will be a much smaller budget.

How many of us have heard (and agreed with) “If we don’t spend it this year, we won’t have it next year”? Had our boss suddenly order a huge surplus of office supplies for no other reason than to eat up the remainder of the annual budget? Wouldn’t that constitute “waste” because we don’t need those supplies this very moment? Or even “fraud” because we deliberately ordered a bunch of supplies we don’t need this very moment just to avoid budget cuts?

It’s always a matter of perspective. “Waste and fraud” sounds great, right up until you open the newspaper and read about how a government agency you support can’t get shit done because its budget was cut to shift money to spending you oppose. And the justification for those cuts was “reducing wasteful spending.”

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:24:06am

Any ideas what these could be?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:25:42am

re: #288 makeitstop

Any ideas what these could be?

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They resemble GUIDs, but they could be anything.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:26:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:27:39am

re: #288 makeitstop

Any ideas what these could be?

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Mike Lamb  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:27:45am

re: #283 Chrysicat

Stormy. Who else?

This was his victory lap for having her lawsuit thrown out, together with an announcement he’s countersuing to get her back for breaking the NDA.

Yes, please call more attention to campaign finance law violations. Also, please expose yourself to a deposition and discovery.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:28:38am
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jaunte  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:29:03am

The GOP and their donors are coming for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:29:32am

re: #294 jaunte

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

The GOP and their donors are coming for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

Unless we stop them by winning control of the House.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:30:30am

I don’t expect Trump to sue, that shit talk is for the rubes. After he worked so hard to kill this lawsuit dead just to avoid discovery and a deposition, the idea that he or his lawyers would willingly open themselves back up to that is ridiculous. No, this was about doing what he (as a bully) always does: Trying to scare someone smaller than him into silence through threats.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:31:04am
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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:31:50am

re: #294 jaunte

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The GOP and their donors are coming for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

Let’s translate: Dump trucks of U.S. money rolled up the cicular driveways of the rich after McConnell passed a new tax code. The non-rich were given a couple nickels to rub together. Now, the U.S. government is broke, so non-rich must need give up retirement & medical benefits so now Republicans are coming to take those nickels back.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:34:47am

re: #297 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“But he was only supposed to punch black people.”

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:35:31am

re: #298 Targetpractice

Let’s translate: Dump trucks of U.S. money rolled up the cicular driveways of the rich after McConnell passed a new tax code. The non-rich were given a couple nickels to rub together. Now, the U.S. government is broke, so non-rich must need give up retirement & medical benefits so now Republicans are coming to take those nickels back.

the government is not broke.
ask dick cheney
he can explain it

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:36:57am
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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:38:40am

Susan Collins must really hate life right now. She voted for the damned tax cuts on an empty promise that McConnell and the White House would support her Obamacare fix bill. But not only did Mitch and Donny renege on that deal, they’re now going to put her on the spot by forcing her to agree to cut “entitlements” in order to cover the cost of those tax cuts.

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Skip Intro  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:41:19am

re: #302 Targetpractice

What the hell does she care? It doesn’t affect her and by the time she runs for re-election everybody will have forgotten.

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Interesting Times  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:43:42am

re: #302 Targetpractice

But not only did Mitch and Donny renege on that deal, they’re now going to put her on the spot by forcing her to agree to cut “entitlements” in order to cover the cost of those tax cuts.

And to tie all this into the framing discussion above, never use that sleazy, disingenuous GOPer term. Instead, say:

Earned Benefits

In other words, it’s not an “entitlement” if you paid into it. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are Earned Benefits.

The #GOPTaxScam (a rare example of Dems coming up with an effective hashtag) is designed to steal your earned benefits.

Repeat until you’re sick of repeating it, and then repeat it again.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:45:53am

re: #304 Interesting Times

And to tie all this into the framing discussion above, never use that sleazy, disingenuous GOPer term. Instead, say:

Earned Benefits

In other words, it’s not an “entitlement” if you paid into it. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are Earned Benefits.

The #GOPTaxScam (a rare example of Dems coming up with an effective hashtag) is designed to steal your earned benefits.

Repeat until you’re sick of repeating it, and then repeat it again.

Yep. When someone conflates earned-benefits with entitlement, they’re getting ready to rob you, and claim you didn’t earn what they steal from you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:54:17am

re: #305 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yep. When someone conflates earned-benefits with entitlement, they’re getting ready to rob you, and claim you didn’t earn what they steal from you.

Taxation is Theft!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:54:35am

re: #255 Targetpractice

Lindsay “Huckleberry Closetcase” Graham wants that AG job so badly, he can taste it…

[Embedded content]

“You are going to take it!” Fox News host Brian Kilmeade exclaimed.

Kilmeade has the brain of a 3-year-old. Conservatives choose to be mislead by an excitable guy with an IQ below room-temperature.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:55:06am

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Taxation is Theft!

According to morons who don’t understand the value of civilization, yes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:55:08am

OT on the lighter side. Never thought I would say this but Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s twitter feed today has the funniest discussion I’ve read in a very long time. No — I don’t follow him — but was led there by a FB post from a nephew who is a U of M alumnus.

ETA: The entire thread is hilarious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:59:14am

re: #304 Interesting Times

And to tie all this into the framing discussion above, never use that sleazy, disingenuous GOPer term. Instead, say:

Earned Benefits

In other words, it’s not an “entitlement” if you paid into it. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are Earned Benefits.

Entitlement = the tariff bailout to corporate farms.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2018 • 10:59:42am

is

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:00:56am

The problem with “earned benefits” is you’re going to face people asking you “What did you do to earn them?”

If you say “I worked to earn them,” they’re going to say that the job you worked for is responsible for paying you those benefits, not other taxpayers who may have worked longer and/or harder.

If you say “I paid my taxes,” you’ll get the usual shit about how “taxation is theft” and how you could have put that money into a savings account or paid for insurance if the government had not “stolen” it from you.

So while I agree that they’re not entitlements (hence the quotation marks), terms like “earned benefits” are not going to kill the discussion, they’re just going to lead to more arguments. Better to stick with the ones we’ve already got on our plate than bring in more.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:02:34am

re: #308 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

According to morons who don’t understand the value of civilization, yes.

taxes are insurance on a human-wide scale
it’s the moral logic of common sacrifice

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:07:33am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:07:50am
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dangerman  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:08:39am

re: #312 Targetpractice

The problem with “earned benefits” is you’re going to face people asking you “What did you do to earn them?”

If you say “I worked to earn them,” they’re going to say that the job you worked for is responsible for paying you those benefits, not other taxpayers who may have worked longer and/or harder.

If you say “I paid my taxes,” you’ll get the usual shit about how “taxation is theft” and how you could have put that money into a savings account or paid for insurance if the government had not “stolen” it from you.

So while I agree that they’re not entitlements (hence the quotation marks), terms like “earned benefits” are not going to kill the discussion, they’re just going to lead to more arguments. Better to stick with the ones we’ve already got on our plate than bring in more.

imo “earned” is the wrong word. “Paid” is the right word.

i could have put that money in a savings account
IF the rules at the time were different.
There were not
i was required to pay in to the system
and so i did pay for them

the fact that the system is run more like insurance and less like individual accounts doesnt change the basic fact that i paid my premiums

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:11:11am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:11:37am
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Kragar  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:13:24am
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jaunte  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:13:46am

BREAKING: Something Else Chris Cillizza Doesn’t Know

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:14:44am

The donalddaters website has leaked all of its customer information, on the first day: dailykos.com

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:15:04am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:15:09am
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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:15:20am

re: #315 Charles Johnson

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See, this is why we can’t have nice things. One day we’re screaming “Support women! They deserve to be heard!,” and then the next is “SHE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT!”

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:16:05am

re: #317 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

…..

U.S. Government Deficit Grew 17% in Fiscal 2018
The federal deficit widened last year amid higher government spending—including rising interest costs on the debt and increased funding for the military—and flat revenues following last year’s tax…

wsj.com

Jeff “We call BS” Furlington
@FurlingtonJeff
I don’t think there are any sane Republicans left. They all got called RINOs and run out of the party by the people creating this deficit in an attempt to crush the middle-class and the poor to drive labor costs down. It’s bizarre watching people vote to be made desperate.

1:11 PM - Oct 16, 2018

Every Republican in the Senate voted for the tax bill — Every single one — No Democrat supported it. This isn’t the Trump tax bill; this is the GOP tax bill. They designed it for their donor class and have persuaded the rest of the Trumpster voters that this was a good idea.

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:16:19am

re: #321 Belafon

The donalddaters website has leaked all of its customer information, on the first day: dailykos.com

It’s certainly on brand at least

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:16:31am

re: #283 Chrysicat

Stormy. Who else?

This was his victory lap for having her lawsuit thrown out, together with an announcement he’s countersuing to get her back for breaking the NDA.

What???

Would that be the NDA that he denied existed and was never signed?

And all of that was done through Cohen who is now talking to Mueller and the feds about all of it.

By the way, Rachel reported last night Cohen has spent up to 50 hours already in talks with Mueller. That is a considerable amount.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:17:19am
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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:19:53am

re: #317 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m not sure Republicans have actually cared about the deficit since the mid-90s. And even then, I’m not sure how many of them really cared. I think there were some who really did believe it was in our long term interest to balance the budget, or at least not run crazy high deficits. But I think most were following the Gringrich playbook and using it as a weapon to attack Democrats.

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retired cynic  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:21:20am

Ooo! Pete Souza on Here and Now, NPR.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:26:20am
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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:26:34am

re: #313 dangerman

taxes are insurance on a human-wide scale
it’s the moral logic of common sacrifice

I always liked the line from Oliver Wendell Holmes:

Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

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Alephnaught  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:29:08am

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey all you Trumpettes!!!!

Can’t find the (extremely) Right Love Of Your Life?

Why there’s a new dating site just for you Trump Lovers!

Yes, it’s Donald Daters!

And it’s got a special feature that allows you to block all them evil liberals!

thehill.com

And check out them testimonials!

donalddaters.com

And!!! It leaks your personal data!!!!

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:31:52am

Trump now: “For the record, I have no financial interests in Saudi Arabia (…”

Trump in the future: “It depends on what the meaning of “in” is.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:39:26am

re: #319 Kragar

Tucker Carlson is tired of people yelling “fuck you” at him in restaurants

Then he should stop going to restaurants.

Problem solved.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 16, 2018 • 11:43:03am

re: #109 teleskiguy

On a federal level I think Election Day should be a National Holiday, and ballots be mailed to the voter in paper form. How the voter gets the ballot to their clerks & recorders is up to them. They can mail it back or drop it off in a secured ballot drop box.

god damn YES to that

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 16, 2018 • 12:07:13pm

re: #324 Targetpractice

See, this is why we can’t have nice things. One day we’re screaming “Support women! They deserve to be heard!,” and then the next is “SHE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT!”

oh THIS. 100+


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