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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:33:59am
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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:37:44am

Got CL’d on the last thread.

This guy analyzed Twitter traffic right after yesterday’s presser and look what he came up with.

Acosta was set up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:39:48am
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Jay C  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:40:25am
re: #503 Jay C

NYTimes nationwide House recap still only shows 230 Dem seats: D- 225 R-197 with 13 races still uncalled (CA-25 among them). At the moment.

Aaaah, “Coolered” again!

Any pools on the final breakdown of the House? I’m thinking 234-201 D/R.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:40:27am
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retired cynic  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:43:23am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hang in there!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:44:14am

So, yeah, what happened to Tucker Carlson and family is A Bad Thing, but in a larger sense, Fuck Tucker Carlson.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:45:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:49:10am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:50:36am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:51:07am
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ipsos  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:51:11am

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see some Very Concerned Liberals on my social media already ginning up the idea that because Pelosi is An Old and Not Very Charismatic, she should step aside and let someone younger and more “inspirational” take over as Speaker.

Fuck that noise.

The Speaker isn’t supposed to be the spirit animal for the entire party. The Speaker doesn’t become president. The Speaker has to be the iron fist keeping the party in line and moving legislation through the House. That doesn’t take charisma. It takes experience and knowledge, and Pelosi is by far still the best for that job.

I mean, isn’t that really one of the big untold stories from the last few GOP Congresses - how well Pelosi and Schumer have held their caucuses together in the minority?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:55:36am

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It would be a fucking scream if the results for Nelson and Gillum turn around - though I don’t hold out a lot of hope. But if Sinema pulls through in AZ and Nelson actually wins, that cuts the net D->R flips in the Senate to 1, right?

Plus, Gillum beating that racist shitbag DeSantis would be (insert chef’s finger kiss GIF).

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:56:08am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:56:23am

re: #12 ipsos

I see some Very Concerned Liberals on my social media already ginning up the idea that because Pelosi is An Old and Not Very Charismatic, she should step aside and let someone younger and more “inspirational” take over as Speaker.

Fuck that noise.

The Speaker isn’t supposed to be the spirit animal for the entire party. The Speaker doesn’t become president. The Speaker has to be the iron fist keeping the party in line and moving legislation through the House. That doesn’t take charisma. It takes experience and knowledge, and Pelosi is by far still the best for that job.

I mean, isn’t that really one of the big untold stories from the last few GOP Congresses - how well Pelosi and Schumer have held their caucuses together in the minority?

Unless…….

EDIT: To clarify, I’m talking double impeachment here.

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:56:55am

CL’d on the SSID bit at the end…

re: #501 Romantic Heretic

Mine is “Demonreach” because I’m a Harry Dresden fan.

Mine is “Turtleon” - turtle-leon kind of wierd naming that my son, when much younger, named my house when he would visit and it would be a turtle space ship commanded by my stuffed turtle toy from when I was a little boy (I’ve had it since I was 4 years old ;) .

His bedroom remains the Pingueon (penguin leon) for the same reason as his spirit critter is Penguin. His is commanded by this half duck/platypus looking stuffy that’s still his best friend.

As an aside, if I ever were to make a rock album, the band name will be the “Penguin Air Force” from all this as well :D I need to find an artist to draw me a Penguin flying a P-40E someday < VBG >

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Kragar  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:59:12am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 11:59:32am

re: #12 ipsos

I see some Very Concerned Liberals on my social media already ginning up the idea that because Pelosi is An Old and Not Very Charismatic, she should step aside and let someone younger and more “inspirational” take over as Speaker.

Fuck that noise.

The Speaker isn’t supposed to be the spirit animal for the entire party. The Speaker doesn’t become president. The Speaker has to be the iron fist keeping the party in line and moving legislation through the House. That doesn’t take charisma. It takes experience and knowledge, and Pelosi is by far still the best for that job.

I mean, isn’t that really one of the big untold stories from the last few GOP Congresses - how well Pelosi and Schumer have held their caucuses together in the minority?

I think their problem with Nancy Pelosi is not that she’s an Old but that she’s an old Woman, because they sure latch onto old fart cult figures like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders just fine.

(Semi-repeating-myself from downstairs—sorry!)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:00:44pm
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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:01:43pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Which reminds me of a post I saw the other night:

A lot of Americans (including me :-() don’t quite understand parliamentary democracy, but usually the head of state — variously called president, king, or queen, is a relatively powerless figurehead

Here’s how to build the British system starting from the American system.

1. Abolish the Electoral College. Instead, pick a very intelligent old German lady, and make a law saying that the President is whoever is her senior surviving descendant. (Much will depend on your choice of German lady, so take care.)

2. Pass another law saying that the Speaker of the House can’t vote except to break a tie. He’s not the head of the majority side; he’s supposed to be a neutral referee.

3. Tell the President that he can’t issue any more executive orders. If he tries to all the same, cut his head off. Repeat as necessary.

4. Strip away a lot of the Senate’s powers. It can no longer initiate bills; all it can do is reject bills written by the House, and it can’t even do that with budgets. (You may also have to threaten to cut heads off at this point if you aren’t careful.)

5. Reduce the time between an election and the elected officials taking office from two and a half months to zero.

6. Stop electing the Senate. Senators are appointed by the House majority. There is no limit to the number of senators. They serve for life. There is no geographical link between a senator and a part of the country.

7. All Cabinet ministers have to be also either senators or congressmen.

8. Abolish the process of confirming government officials by vote.

9. Rename the Senate “the House of Lords”. Rename the President “the King”. Rename the House Majority Leader “the Prime Minister”.

10. Please do not get too curious about who has launch authority over your nuclear weapons. We sincerely are not sure of the answer to this question.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:03:35pm

re: #17 Kragar

What happened to Carlson?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:03:49pm

re: #16 William Lewis

CL’d on the SSID bit at the end…

As an aside, if I ever were to make a rock album, the band name will be the “Penguin Air Force” from all this as well :D I need to find an artist to draw me a Penguin flying a P-40E someday < VBG >

P-38 Lightning was a cooler plane, even if it didn’t get the shark teeth that the Flying Tigers of Claire Lee Chennault sported.

For the illustration, go to 99designs.com and start a contest. Pick the best one. Pay $100 or so.

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sagehen  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:04:18pm

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

So, yeah, what happened to Tucker Carlson and family is A Bad Thing, but in a larger sense, Fuck Tucker Carlson.

However close protesters are allowed to get to patients who are just trying to get into a clinic, however loud they’re allowed to yell at them, whatever degree of profanity they’re allowed…

That’s what protesters should be allowed to say and do to politicians and pundits who are just trying to enjoy their meal at a restaurant.

Some jurisdictions allow more than others. But that seems a reasonable standard to me; they have an opinion about your actions, and they’re trying to persuade you to make the same choices they would make if they were in your position.

(but Tucker’s house… that does not meet the same standards as a restaurant. Leave the house alone.)

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:05:08pm

re: #21 Mike Lamb

What happened to Carlson?

Protestors went to his house and raised hell.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:06:29pm

re: #22 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

P-38 Lightning was a cooler plane, even if it didn’t get the shark teeth that the Flying Tigers of Claire Lee Chennault sported.

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:06:32pm

Well played:

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:06:39pm

re: #21 Mike Lamb

What happened to Carlson?

One of his nannies dropped him on his head as a child.

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sagehen  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:07:13pm

re: #12 ipsos

I mean, isn’t that really one of the big untold stories from the last few GOP Congresses - how well Pelosi and Schumer have held their caucuses together in the minority?

And how incompetent Boehner and Ryan were at holding their caucuses even in the majority?

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:07:19pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

in 2014 rick scott beat charlie crist by around 64k votes (2.8m votes for him)

in 2010 he beat alex sink also by 62k votes (2.6m votes for him)

desantis and gillum got just over 4m each

what a razor thin state this is

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:09:53pm

re: #26 Interesting Times

And think of it - Christie could put the YOUNGER Kushner in the pokey, just like the older one!

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:10:01pm

re: #12 ipsos

I see some Very Concerned Liberals on my social media already ginning up the idea that because Pelosi is An Old and Not Very Charismatic, she should step aside and let someone younger and more “inspirational” take over as Speaker.

Fuck that noise.

The Speaker isn’t supposed to be the spirit animal for the entire party. The Speaker doesn’t become president. The Speaker has to be the iron fist keeping the party in line and moving legislation through the House. That doesn’t take charisma. It takes experience and knowledge, and Pelosi is by far still the best for that job.

I mean, isn’t that really one of the big untold stories from the last few GOP Congresses - how well Pelosi and Schumer have held their caucuses together in the minority?

here we go again
nobody ‘steps aside’
nobody ‘takes over’

you run against everyone else running and you win

asking others to not run so it’s easier for you shows you cant do it on your own
you aint much of a leader and dont have much of a following

politics 101

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:10:08pm

H/t John Cole:

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:12:59pm

re: #12 ipsos

I see some Very Concerned Liberals on my social media already ginning up the idea that because Pelosi is An Old and Not Very Charismatic, she should step aside and let someone younger and more “inspirational” take over as Speaker.

In which the aforementioned Speaker picks up an interesting endorsement:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:13:58pm

re: #31 dangerman

I see some Very Concerned Liberals on my social media already ginning up the idea that because Pelosi is An Old and Not Very Charismatic, she should step aside and let someone younger and more “inspirational” take over as Speaker.

“Democrats in Disarray” will resurface as a headline along with “Democrats veer hard left” as soon as they are seated next year.

Those headlines are just too juicy not to be used.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:16:42pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Democrats in Disarray” will resurface as a headline along with “Democrats veer hard left” as soon as they are seated next year.

Those headlines are just too juicy not to be used.

If they were still setting type to print newspapers, those headlines would have been welded together as a block, to reuse over and over without having to find the letters.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:20:54pm

Just got CL’d like it’s my job:

Absolute bullshit that’s utterly impossible for insurers to comply with.

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:21:25pm

re: #22 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

P-38 Lightning was a cooler plane, even if it didn’t get the shark teeth that the Flying Tigers of Claire Lee Chennault sported.

For the illustration, go to 99designs.com and start a contest. Pick the best one. Pay $100 or so.

I always had a soft spot for the 40. It was a far better fighter than the post war memories made it out to be after such even better planes as the P-47 & P-51 came along. Saburo Sakai, a Japanese navy ace, claimed at one point that a well handled P-40 was the most dangerous American aircraft. The maneuver we call a “low yo-yo” today would eat an A6M2 for lunch and ask for more.

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:21:37pm

The story of the day/hour/week/month seems to be:
The Democrats Won The House…………………………………..but…………………………………if…………………………………they……………………………try………………………….to………………………take advantage………………………………………………….of that win…………………………………………………they…………………….will………………….lose……………………………….AMERICA.
And it will be……………………………..
ALL THEIR FAULT.
Back to you, Sean…….
In other news…..BLAM…………………………..thud

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:22:30pm

Meanwhile in Arizona:

The Republican groups are challenging the way counties verify signatures on mail-in ballots that are dropped off at the polls on Election Day, according to the complaint obtained by The Arizona Republic.

At stake is an unknown number of ballots that could tip the result of the U.S. Senate race. Just 17,000 votes separated Republican Martha McSally and Democrat Kyrsten Sinema as of Wednesday evening, a cliffhanger that could take days, if not weeks, to call.

The Arizona Republic estimates that there may be more than 600,000 ballots yet to be tallied.

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Kragar  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:22:50pm
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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:23:19pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

And think of it - Christie could put the YOUNGER Kushner in the pokey, just like the older one!

I briefly entertained the notion that Big Chicken would take the AG gig, then set about getting Trump back for humiliating him during the campaign.

Won’t happen, but it would be pretty cool if it did.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:23:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:24:01pm

On FB, there’s an NPR article posted called “Will We Overcome Our Divisions?”

Here’s the graphic that goes with it. Anyone else seeing what I’m seeing?

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:24:43pm

re: #43 Blind Frog Belly White

On FB, there’s an NPR article posted called “Will We Overcome Our Divisions?”

Here’s the graphic that goes with it. Anyone else seeing what I’m seeing?

[Embedded content]

WE can hope

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ckkatz  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:24:44pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Democrats in Disarray” will resurface as a headline along with “Democrats veer hard left” as soon as they are seated next year.

Those headlines are just too juicy not to be used.

Yup…
Expect headlines like “Massive Democratic election win is terrible defeat for Democrats” to replace the “Nazi next door” articles. Sigh…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:24:50pm

re: #33 Interesting Times

In which the aforementioned Speaker picks up an interesting endorsement:

Jennifer Rubin

@JRubinBlogger
Democrats who were smart enough to unite around a singular focus on health care — gosh, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) turned out to be a pretty good strategist, huh? — should be smart enough to learn
to run these kinds of candidates wapo.st

2:08 PM - Nov 8, 2018

Candidates like Ocasio-Cortez can succeed in bright blue districts; she has a very charismatic presence. But if you want to appear to a broader spectrum to regain the Congress — and actually win in districts that are purple or even red(!), you need a more moderate candidate with a good message that appeals to those outside your base. Congrats to Nancy on a great campaign!

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Dave In Austin  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:26:37pm
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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:27:51pm

re: #39 KGxvi

Meanwhile in Arizona:

The Arizona Republic estimates that there may be more than 600,000 ballots yet to be tallied.

“A foundational principle of American democracy and our justice system is that all votes are treated equally,” Arizona Republican Party Chairman Jonathan Lines said in a statement to the newspaper.

treating them equally is verifying the validity (can i say that?) of every signature received, then counting each and every ballot

they dont become “not your signature” just because of when they are verified

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:28:21pm

re: #42 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I understand if people don’t want to go to the NYT site:

Trump’s Appointment of the Acting Attorney General Is Unconstitutional

Wonkette’s take is more entertaining anyway:

Trump’s Meathead Dumbass AG Appointment Probably Unconstitutional, Says KELLYANNE CONWAY’S HUSBAND

Mostly likely, this appointment can be construed as a recess appointment, meaning he gets to keep the job until next Friday because Congress reconvenes on Monday and then goes out on recess at the end of the week for the Thanksgiving holiday.

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Kragar  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:29:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:32:26pm

re: #470 Hecuba’s daughter

This is a real disgrace — a person of modest means who is elected to office should have access to affordable living quarters in Washington DC

A lot of levels of government are structured in such a way you cannot run for an office and support yourself. State governments are notorious for this (particularly in red states).

I once flirted with the idea of running for the state legislature here. Looking into it, the job pays $12,000 a year. You have to maintain a residence somewhere in Lincoln (400 miles away) while maintaining your residence in your district. The legislature only meets for a few months at most during the year, so if you have a job you also have to quit that.

We had a referendum on the ballot to raise state legislators’ pay a couple years ago, and these issues were addressed. Nevertheless, it went down in flamin’ defeat (but muh taxes - why should some deadhead legislator get paid more than I do, &c).

What that does is set up a situation where only the independently wealthy or those strictly beholden to lobbyists can afford to run for office.

—-

Donald Trump has ordered the flag to half-staff until sunset Thursday over the mass-murder in California. I note it didn’t take the whole country shaming him like it did with Sen. John McCain or the mass-murder at Tree-of-Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:32:30pm

re: #48 dangerman

treating them equally is verifying the validity (can i say that?) of every signature received, then counting each and every ballot

they dont become “not your signature” just because of when they are verified

It’s a strange issue - when can you verify the signature, only before election day, or after? Some counties have a policy of only verifying before election day and others allow post-election day verification, which creates an equal protection issue because a vote that would be valid in one county wouldn’t be valid in another under similar circumstances.

This is similar to the Florida 2000 recount where different counties were counting ballots differently.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:36:00pm

re: #52 KGxvi

It’s a strange issue - when can you verify the signature, only before election day, or after? Some counties have a policy of only verifying before election day and others allow post-election day verification, which creates an equal protection issue because a vote that would be valid in one county wouldn’t be valid in another under similar circumstances.

This is similar to the Florida 2000 recount where different counties were counting ballots differently.

You’d think 2000 would have taught them to make their rules a bit less stupid, but…Florida.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:36:36pm

re: #53 Blind Frog Belly White

You’d think 2000 would have taught them to make their rules a bit less stupid, but…Florida.

No, this is happening in Arizona.

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lawhawk  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:40:02pm
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garzooma  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:40:27pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

@NancyPelosi is organizing an emergency Dem caucus conference call to talk Trump’s firing of Sessions.

Max Bergmann at Daily Beast outlines a Democrat game plan:

Trump Is Gonna End The Mueller Probe. Here’s What Democrats Should Do.

Should it become clear that Mueller is not able to investigate—whether that’s because Mueller is fired or his investigation is being strangled or because Mueller resigns in protest—Democrats in congress will have to pick up where Mueller left off. They will need to hold immediate hearings into whether the President is abusing the power of his office to obstruct justice and whether his campaign did indeed conspire with Russia. They will need to immediately subpoena documents and records related to the investigation, such as any report prepared by the Special Counsel, witness lists, any information that was transmitted to the Special Counsel’s office from another government agency, and any materials related to the decision by the Acting Attorney General to overrule the Special Counsel on the filing of charges related to any individual or group. They will need to hold public hearings, including calling Mueller, as well as key figures in the investigation like Donald Trump Jr. to publically testify. They will need to demonstrate to the American public that this is a clear abuse of power and then they must take steps to hold Trump accountable.

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:41:27pm

re: #55 lawhawk

I suspect the tucker carlson trending topic is being heavily driven by bot traffic.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:41:31pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:42:51pm

re: #54 KGxvi

No, this is happening in Arizona.

Oh. Got my ‘Purple-Leaning States With Spanish Names And Undecided Senate Races’ mixed up.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:43:14pm

re: #56 garzooma

Max Bergmann at Daily Beast outlines a Democrat game plan:

Trump Is Gonna End The Mueller Probe. Here’s What Democrats Should Do.

This is going to get a whole lot more complicated for Trump and the GOP if they really do try to shut down the Mueller investigation. It’s straight Watergate territory.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:43:26pm

re: #57 Interesting Times

I suspect the tucker carlson trending topic is being heavily driven by bot traffic.

Much like the Acosta ‘karate chop’ nonsense.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:43:31pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh. Got my ‘Purple-Leaning States With Spanish Names And Undecided Senate Races’ mixed up.

Reasonable mistake

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:44:47pm

re: #58 Dave In Austin

#Oligarchy’s R’ Us……..

Considering the Russian connection, here’s where you really need the capital “Я” like in the store’s name.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:45:53pm

re: #62 KGxvi

Reasonable mistake

Both end in ‘a’. Mrs. FBW lived in each as a child and doesn’t want to return to either.

Mind you, that could also include Pennsylvania.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:46:00pm

Torture Guy says Whitaker’s appointment is unconstitutional.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:46:54pm

re: #48 dangerman

treating them equally is verifying the validity (can i say that?) of every signature received, then counting each and every ballot

they dont become “not your signature” just because of when they are verified

to follow up , these miserable rules burn the hell out of me

what the hell difference does it make how long it takes to verify each and every signature? that’s your goddamn job

if everything had to happen “on the day - ie tuesday”, accountants and cpa’s would have been out of work before Pacioli was born

everything we do is “as of”. we could work into march to close a 12/31 year. they are still 12/31 numbers, not march numbers.

anything received on or before the deadline should be handled exactly the same way. and time shouldnt be a factor.
you cant take away someone’s franchise (and without their knowledge) due to mechanics or a ‘judgment call’. you process every goddamn piece of paper

tuesday is the voting deadline. we dont need the results on tuesday.
count everything

and you know what else - none of this - he’s ahead by a million so we dont have to count these last thousand.
every vote doesnt count if you dont count everything

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:48:12pm

re: #52 KGxvi

It’s a strange issue - when can you verify the signature, only before election day, or after? Some counties have a policy of only verifying before election day and others allow post-election day verification, which creates an equal protection issue because a vote that would be valid in one county wouldn’t be valid in another under similar circumstances.

This is similar to the Florida 2000 recount where different counties were counting ballots differently.

i amended and ranted below, er - above

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Kragar  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:49:20pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:49:40pm

Does Trump need approval from both chambers to start a war?

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:50:17pm

re: #57 Interesting Times

I suspect the tucker carlson trending topic is being heavily driven by bot traffic.

I clicked on the TC twitter link and got about 15 posts in before James Woods popped up with “if anyone tried that at my house it would be the last 5 seconds of their life” and then it was just psychotic gun nuts all the way down.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:51:34pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Does Trump need approval from both chambers to start a war?

Only theoretically. “More honored in the breach than the observance”.

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ipsos  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:53:05pm

Dear god, why am I wasting my time arguing on FB with a friend (an IRL friend, and a basically good dude) who’s in love with Louise Mensch and believes she’s never been wrong about ANYTHING?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:53:07pm

re: #70 Barefoot Grin

I clicked on the TC twitter link and got about 15 posts in before James Woods popped up with “if anyone tried that at my house it would be the last 5 seconds of their life” and then it was just psychotic gun nuts all the way down.

I somehow doubt Woods knows how to use a gun. Another fake internet tough guy.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:53:24pm

re: #67 dangerman

i amended and ranted below, er - above

I thought we needed unanimous consent to revise and extend our remarks

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:54:56pm

re: #74 KGxvi

I thought we needed unanimous consent to revise and extend our remarks

Without objection.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:55:24pm

re: #72 ipsos

Dear god, why am I wasting my time arguing on FB with a friend (an IRL friend, and a basically good dude) who’s in love with Louise Mensch and believes she’s never been wrong about ANYTHING?

Because… duty calls:

Image: duty_calls.png

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KingKenrod  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:55:35pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Does Trump need approval from both chambers to start a war?

Yes, both, but Congress has said the president can act for 60 days (maybe 90, I forget) without it.

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mmmirele  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:55:40pm

re: #39 KGxvi

Meanwhile in Arizona:

The Arizona Republic estimates that there may be more than 600,000 ballots yet to be tallied.

My mother’s ballot is one of those. *goes off to raise hell with the state GOP.*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:56:22pm

Uh, I hate to mention this, but there were 12 people killed in a mass shooting, and it’s not even generating any ripples in the news cycle.

A dozen people dead, and we don’t seem to care. Honestly, I’m disturbed how undisturbed I am by it.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:56:36pm

re: #52 KGxvi

It’s a strange issue - when can you verify the signature, only before election day, or after? Some counties have a policy of only verifying before election day and others allow post-election day verification, which creates an equal protection issue because a vote that would be valid in one county wouldn’t be valid in another under similar circumstances.

This is similar to the Florida 2000 recount where different counties were counting ballots differently.

We really need to come up with a better method for verifying mail in ballots, the problem is that the only foolproof methods like sending in your DNA are also cost prohibitive on the verification end and creepy as fuck. Thumb / fingerprints would work for most everyone who has thumbs and/or fingers but a lot of people who’ve never had a job or legal reason to give the government their fingerprints are going to object. We could put EMV chips in all State issued IDs but that just compounds the accessibility issues of ID based voting, and only works if there’s a moon shot effort to make sure everyone gets the required ID & reader at no cost to themselves, which means the government has to pay through the nose and legitimizes the added hurdle of needing an ID to vote instead of just register.

Most internet based solutions are all pretty much garbage from an accessibility and security standpoint, and again, it’s pretty difficult to prove you’re “you” over the internet so that’s really no better than subjective signature matching. A facial recognition system currently isn’t anywhere near reliable and instantly becomes an Orwellian nightmare, but since law enforcement is deploying FR anyway that might be the most feasible long term option from a tech standpoint.

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piratedan  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:57:23pm

re: #79 Blind Frog Belly White

congrats to the NRA for making mass murder seem mundane…. mission accomplished!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 12:58:02pm

re: #79 Blind Frog Belly White

Uh, I hate to mention this, but there were 12 people killed in a mass shooting, and it’s not even generating any ripples in the news cycle.

A dozen people dead, and we don’t seem to care. Honestly, I’m disturbed how undisturbed I am by it.

It’s because we are used to it. But you’re right.

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:01:04pm

re: #81 piratedan

congrats to the NRA for making mass murder seem mundane…. mission accomplished!

NRA:
Ever hear of Vampires?
You though they were make believe.
Wrong.
Did I say they?
Meant we.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:01:28pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

We really need to come up with a better method for verifying mail in ballots, the problem is that the only foolproof methods like sending in your DNA are also cost prohibitive on the verification end and creepy as fuck. Thumb / fingerprints would work for most everyone who has thumbs and/or fingers but a lot of people who’ve never had a job or legal reason to give the government their fingerprints are going to object. We could put EMV chips in all State issued IDs but that just compounds the accessibility issues of ID based voting, and only works if there’s a moon shot effort to make sure everyone gets the required ID at no cost to themselves, which means the government has to pay through the nose and legitimizes the added hurdle of needing an ID to vote instead of just register.

Most internet based solutions are all pretty much garbage from an accessibility and security standpoint, and again, it’s pretty difficult to prove you’re “you” over the internet so that’s really no better than subjective signature matching. A facial recognition system currently isn’t anywhere near reliable and instantly becomes an Orwellian nightmare, but since law enforcement is deploying FR anyway that might be the most feasible long term option from a tech standpoint.

There really isn’t a good answer, at least not that I can think of. What do they do in Oregon and other states that have gone mail in only?

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:01:46pm

re: #79 Blind Frog Belly White

Uh, I hate to mention this, but there were 12 people killed in a mass shooting, and it’s not even generating any ripples in the news cycle.

A dozen people dead, and we don’t seem to care. Honestly, I’m disturbed how undisturbed I am by it.

True :/ It seems the only time they do generate ripples is when there’s something distinctive about the shooting (e.g. Parkland = worst high-school shooting, Pittsburgh = worst attack against Jewish Americans).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:03:43pm

re: #85 Interesting Times

True :/ It seems the only time they do generate ripples is when there’s something distinctive about the shooting (e.g. Parkland = worst high-school shooting, Pittsburgh = worst attack against Jewish Americans).

The most disturbing part of this latest was seeing that some of the survivors of this also survived Paddock’s shooting in Vegas.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:05:52pm

re: #84 KGxvi

There really isn’t a good answer, at least not that I can think of. What do they do in Oregon and other states that have gone mail in only?

I think it’s just a combination of signature verification and “not being enormous pedantic assholes about it.”

It’s that last part that’s crucial and basically impossible to legislate.

Signature matching is also ageist and ableist as fuck. I mean, how do you properly make sure that people who have severe arthritis or neuromuscular conditions are treated fairly?

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:16:19pm

re: #22 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

P-38 Lightning was a cooler plane, even if it didn’t get the shark teeth that the Flying Tigers of Claire Lee Chennault sported.

For the illustration, go to 99designs.com and start a contest. Pick the best one. Pay $100 or so.

As a graphic artist, can I say a site like that really bugs me?

It just doesn’t seem fair to the artists as far as what they are making.

What it does is make some artists that are really hurting end up working for peanuts in my opinion. A good logo or illustration can take hours. And that is for the winner of the contest, if I understand how it works. What do the people that don’t win get?

At least the hired designers get a decent pay day. The contest just seems unfair.

And I know, I’ve been hungry and worked hours and hours to make a hundred bucks. Sometimes ending up working for less than minimum wage.


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