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Kragar  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:05:59pm
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lawhawk  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:07:44pm

What an a-hole.

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piratedan  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:08:47pm

hoping that Acosta and CNN bring suit, I can understand Trump being an ass to Acosta because that’s who Trump is, I don’t expect him to behave Presidential because he ISN’T Presidential, but making shit up when we can see it unfold Live before our very eyes and then claim that our reality is invalid and then double down on that shit.

I’m sorry, but not seeing ANY of the other News Organizations not piling on to this shit is simply amazeballs to me.

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BlueGrl21  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:09:00pm

Sassy Trump or Colbert’s impression of Trump are, literally, the only way I can hear his voice. I need it filtered through an actual human being first. He comes near me on video of any kind, it’s immediately turned off. He is vile.

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Citizen K  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:09:38pm

re: #3 piratedan

hoping that Acosta and CNN bring suit, I can understand Trump being an ass to Acosta because that’s who Trump is, I don’t expect him to behave Presidential because he ISN’T Presidential, but making shit up when we can see it unfold Live before our very eyes and then claim that our reality is invalid and then double down on that shit.

I’m sorry, but not seeing ANY of the other News Organizations not piling on to this shit is simply amazeballs to me.

Access and complicity is a hell of a drug.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:09:54pm

re: #3 piratedan

hoping that Acosta and CNN bring suit, I can understand Trump being an ass to Acosta because that’s who Trump is, I don’t expect him to behave Presidential because he ISN’T Presidential, but making shit up when we can see it unfold Live before our very eyes and then claim that our reality is invalid and then double down on that shit.

I’m sorry, but not seeing ANY of the other News Organizations not piling on to this shit is simply amazeballs to me.

Which is why I refer to them as the DC Press Corpse!

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:10:31pm

re: #3 piratedan

hoping that Acosta and CNN bring suit, I can understand Trump being an ass to Acosta because that’s who Trump is, I don’t expect him to behave Presidential because he ISN’T Presidential, but making shit up when we can see it unfold Live before our very eyes and then claim that our reality is invalid and then double down on that shit.

I’m sorry, but not seeing ANY of the other News Organizations not piling on to this shit is simply amazeballs to me.

They’re all gutless corporate ass kissers. All of them.

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lawhawk  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:13:34pm

re: #4 BlueGrl21

I’d settle for Mark Hamill’s Joker read, mostly because it encapsulates Trump’s batcrap insane worldview and know-nothing regressive positions all to create chaos and benefit personally from every decision made.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:14:50pm

re: #2 lawhawk

What an a-hole.

I just wonder about the future Trump Presidential Library and Burial Site… that grave/tomb is going to have to have 24 hour surveillance

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lawhawk  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:14:54pm

Ongoing in California:

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:16:01pm

On verifying signatures in mail-only jurisdictions:

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

I think it’s just a combination of signature verification and “not being enormous pedantic assholes about it.”

It’s that last part that’s crucial and basically impossible to legislate.

Signature matching is also ageist and ableist as fuck. I mean, how do you properly make sure that people who have severe arthritis or neuromuscular conditions are treated fairly?

In Nebraska, you “make your mark” and have a witness sign the envelope, also giving name and address. The witness must be a registered voter, but can be from anywhere in the state.

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:18:01pm

Donald Trump is that sore that never completely heals, and if ignored, will lead to surgery or worse.
He is a disease. An infection. A curse.

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Kragar  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:18:22pm
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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:18:46pm

re: #1 Kragar

The shooter’s name was Ian David Long.

And he was a former Marine.

For those interested, the LA Times has lifted it’s paywall for coverage on the shooting.

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ipsos  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:19:14pm

re: #13 Kragar

Does she love horses, and her boyfriend, too?

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Kragar  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:21:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:21:28pm

re: #14 KGxvi

The shooter’s name was Ian David Long.

And he was a former Marine.

For those interested, the LA Times has lifted it’s paywall for coverage on the shooting.

Sounds more Midwestern than Middle Eastern, to me. Plus he looks awfully pale in that picture I saw of him.

But hey, it’s not like Pam’s ever spread lies to foment hate, is it?

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lawhawk  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:23:30pm

re: #13 Kragar

I vote for Mazie Hirono to do the honors. Or maybe Tammy Duckworth. Or even Kamala Harris.

There’s also Patsy Mink. Grace Meng. And plenty of others who were there first.

Kirk’s a fucking moron.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:25:44pm

Even sassy, he’s an asshole.

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:27:29pm

12AM
Moose Lodge
They no idea what you screaming.

Jet Black Ruby Red

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:28:04pm

re: #16 Kragar

Flake will fail.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:29:30pm

re: #21 Skip Intro

Flake will fail.

But he’ll try to do the “right thing” golly darn it..

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:29:49pm

re: #10 lawhawk

Ongoing in California:

The sunshine in the Bay Area is orange.

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:31:19pm

re: #22 Kilroy was here

But he’ll try to do the “right thing” golly darn it..

He’ll add it to his list of stern tweets to show how tought he was on Trump.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:33:33pm

re: #13 Kragar

She’s the first Republican naturalized woman to win a seat in the House. But there have been several, and currently are more than a few Democratic women of Asian descent, including at least one born in Vietnam, in the US House.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:37:12pm

re: #11 Anymouse 🌹

On verifying signatures in mail-only jurisdictions:

In Nebraska, you “make your mark” and have a witness sign the envelope, also giving name and address. The witness must be a registered voter, but can be from anywhere in the state.

I just don’t know what takes so fucking long in California and Arizona, to name two. Our ballots (that had been received) were counted and results released at 8:15 Tuesday. Now they had until midnight to be postmarked, so that was only an estimated 86% of the vote, but updates appear at 4 P.M. every day.

I might add that King County Elections handles the second largest number of ballots in the country after LA County, so if they can do it, anyone can.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:37:28pm

re: #23 Single-handed sailor

The sunshine in the Bay Area is orange.

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Oh, hey….

Yeah, I wondered about that.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:37:46pm

re: #25 KGxvi

She’s the first Republican naturalized woman to win a seat in the House. But there have been several, and currently are more than a few Democratic women of Asian descent, including at least one born in Vietnam, in the US House.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:37:57pm

re: #18 lawhawk

I vote for Mazie Hirono to do the honors. Or maybe Tammy Duckworth. Or even Kamala Harris.

There’s also Patsy Mink. Grace Meng. And plenty of others who were there first.

Kirk’s a fucking moron.

No. Kirk is a liar.

The intent is to get the lie into the conservative religious canon.

He also lied about other offices (such as first woman governor);

If it’s first woman governor ascending to the office by any means, that would be Carolyn B. Shelton (D-Ore.) who was appointed acting governor over a weekend due to the inability of a successor to take office due to illness, in 1909.

If it’s the first woman elected on her own, it was Nellie Taylor Ross (D-Wyo.) who was elected in a special election when her husband died in office.

The first woman elected in her own right was Ella Grasso (D-Conn.) in 1975.

Madeline Kunin (D-Vt.) 1985-1991 was the only woman to ever serve three terms as a governor.

Joan Finney (D-Kans.) 1991 was the first woman to defeat an incumbent governor.

Kay Orr (R-Nebr.) 1987 was the first Republican woman governor, and the first woman to defeat another woman running for governor in a race.

This stuff is kind of easy to check. The fact that Charlie Kirk puts stuff out there like that indicates he is lying, not misinformed.

cawp.rutgers.edu

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Varek Raith  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:41:14pm

Hello.
What a shitty day.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:42:02pm

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

No. Kirk is a liar.

The intent is to get the lie into the conservative religious canon.

He also lied about other offices (such as first woman governor);

If it’s first woman governor ascending to the office by any means, that would be Carolyn B. Shelton (D-Ore.) who was appointed acting governor over a weekend due to the inability of a successor to take office due to illness, in 1909.

If it’s the first woman elected on her own, it was Nellie Taylor Ross (D-Wyo.) who was elected in a special election when her husband died in office.

The first woman elected in her own right was Ella Grasso (D-Conn.) in 1975.

Madeline Kunin (D-Vt.) 1985-1991 was the only woman to ever serve three terms as a governor.

Joan Finney (D-Kans.) 1991 was the first woman to defeat an incumbent governor.

Kay Orr (R-Nebr.) 1987 was the first Republican woman governor, and the first woman to defeat another woman running for governor in a race.

This stuff is kind of easy to check. The fact that Charlie Kirk puts stuff out there like that indicates he is lying, not misinformed.

cawp.rutgers.edu

We’ve had Dixy Lee Ray and Christine Gregoire.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:42:44pm

This is in violation of the law:

8 USC §1158: Any alien physically present in the United States may apply for asylum.

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Jay C  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:43:09pm

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

This stuff is kind of easy to check. The fact that Charlie Kirk puts stuff out there like that indicates he is lying, not misinformed.

And stupid enough to ignore the fact that this stuff can be fact-checked. But then, I’m sure he thinks “Republican” is the only factor worth reporting on…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:43:55pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

This is in violation of the law:

8 USC §1158: Any alien physically present in the United States may apply for asylum.

“Law”? Since when did this gang care about any law?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:44:29pm

re: #33 Jay C

And stupid enough to ignore the fact that this stuff can be fact-checked. But then, I’m sure he thinks “Republican” is the only factor worth reporting on…

“Fact-checked” - like they care! His audience doesn’t believe in facts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:45:24pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

This is in violation of the law:

8 USC §1158: Any alien physically present in the United States may apply for asylum.

As if he cares. The point is xenophobia and fear to gain and maintain power, not following the law.

People keep saying the GOP has become the “party of Trump.” No, Trump is just better at conservatism than others who came before.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:46:29pm
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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:53:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:55:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2018 • 1:59:50pm

I’m definitely not OK with that protest at Tucker Carlson’s house, not because I don’t think he deserves it, but because he wasn’t even there at the time - but his children were. I despise Tucker Carlson as much as anyone, but scaring kids is just simply fucked up and wrong.

I understand the anger and frustration that causes events like this, but this time it didn’t help anyone except Carlson and the right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:00:44pm

re: #38 makeitstop

Rubio is such a disgrace. He’s only in the Senate because he thought Trump would lose and he’d be the front runner in 2020 even though he’s more useless than a bag of dicks.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:00:54pm

re: #13 Kragar

Who wants to tell him?

About Google?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:01:21pm

re: #37 Patricia Kayden

I predicted 40. Not bad.

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piratedan  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:01:24pm

re: #37 Patricia Kayden

I think the bigger the wave, the more likely that it is that we’ll see the gavel back in the hands of Nancy Smash, because this will allow those who foolishly made statements that they wouldn’t vote for her safely to do so, allowing them the opportunity to save face and still allowing Nancy to wield the necessary majorities to effectively block GOP legislation that blatantly hurts minorities, allow them to continually draft legislation for positive change, be it environmental, health care, immigration, gun control and continually force the GOP and the President to vote down common sense ideas and be on record.

I also expect her to have her team ready to rock and roll on day one and have spoken with and to each of the new members to find out what they are passionate about and where they can help and make a difference with their committee assignments.

Why? Because she’s organized and knows how to get shit done.

I fully expect the GOP to try and assassinate her because if anyone deserves credit alongside barrack Obama, it was Nancy Smash, for pulling the country’s chestnuts out of the fire in 2008 after inheriting the dumpster fire that W left.

Look at what got done in two years after W

the Infrastructure Bill to pull the country out of the ditch AND the ACA…. I have no truck with any of these assholes who think she’s lost a step, prove it, after watching the train wreck that was John Boehner and Paul Ryan, for ANYONE who seems to be suffering from amnesia from that time period, look at what got done in two fucking years and what has taken place since… we’re still coasting from the changes wrought in 2008-2010 that essentially saved the country and these bastards want to consign her to the dustbin… stupid mofos all….

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:02:06pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:03:03pm

re: #45 jaunte

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It was a cunning plan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:03:04pm

re: #13 Kragar

LOL Charlie is so comically stupid and I love how he engages in identity politics when it suits his agenda.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:03:31pm

re: #38 makeitstop

Daily reminder that other GOPers besides Drump are total douchecanoes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:04:10pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I’m definitely not OK with that protest at Tucker Carlson’s house, not because I don’t think he deserves it, but because he wasn’t even there at the time - but his children were. I despise Tucker Carlson as much as anyone, but scaring kids is just simply fucked up and wrong.

I understand the anger and frustration that causes events like this, but this time it didn’t help anyone except Carlson and the right.

Right now Matt Yglesias is catching hell for saying it was a stupid thing and shouldn’t have been done, but that he has no empathy for Tucker’s wife after meeting a woman who wouldn’t leave her home for MONTHS because she was afraid of ICE.

And Christine Blasey Ford is still receiving death threats and has had to move for a 4th time, so as I said earlier, fuck Tucker Carlson.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:04:27pm

I remember the chest beating about Mia Love by the Pubbies and pointing out that Shirley Chesholm was a presidential candidate before Mia was born.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:04:41pm

re: #48 Sir John Barron

Daily reminder that ALLother GOPers besides Drump are total douchecanoes.

FTFY

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:05:45pm

re: #38 makeitstop

I see, so now Democrats can’t challenge election results or demand that all votes be counted. Pretty soon we’ll just be banned from voting at all.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:06:18pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I remember the chest beating about Mia Love by the Pubbies and pointing out that Shirley Chesholm was a presidential candidate before Mia was born.

Did Ms. Love lose?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:08:05pm

re: #53 Sir John Barron

Did Ms. Love lose?

She did not embrace Beloved Leader enough.

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freetoken  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:08:18pm

re: #53 Sir John Barron

McAdams has a lead in the counting and it increased a little.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:08:55pm

re: #38 makeitstop

Count all the votes. If the results of the election change after all the votes are counted, then that’s how democracies work. Why do Republicans have a problem with counting votes?

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:09:25pm

re: #28 makeitstop

Hello. Been out of town so to speak.

3 piece experiment rolls on.
We see, but I like the ability to actually change pickup settings and hear it.
No miking, no sound man. All on stage. Next up is the 3rd gig.
Never been the one to schmooze, so I’m not sure what will happen.
Always been afraid to post music I was a part of because, uh, it’s all, uh, subjective and….
This is my band who toured in the 70’s, and as we drew knives, I left, and got back together from 2003 to 2007.
We had great vocals. Still do. We will never do this again.
Bar band.
This ended in 2007.
This is a photograph in time.
Use headphones or buds.
Start with Station Man
You can buy our CD here…….
No you cannot.
Later.
soundcloud.com

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Mike Lamb  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:09:35pm

re: #45 jaunte

If she ever does another press conference, I hope every single question is “Sarah, why did you use a doctored video when discussing the revocation of Acosta’s credentials?”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:09:41pm

re: #57 freetoken

That’s gonna be quite awkward for Trump after how he mocked her for not giving him love (YUCK).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:09:57pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I’m definitely not OK with that protest at Tucker Carlson’s house, not because I don’t think he deserves it, but because he wasn’t even there at the time - but his children were. I despise Tucker Carlson as much as anyone, but scaring kids is just simply fucked up and wrong.

I understand the anger and frustration that causes events like this, but this time it didn’t help anyone except Carlson and the right.

Didn’t know his kids were there. Terrorizing his wife was bad enough. It’s my understanding that they actually cracked the door, too. If one or more of them had gotten in, Susan Carlson would probably have shot them, giving the NRA its biggest PR bonanza ever.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:10:06pm

re: #56 Patricia Kayden

Count all the votes. If the results of the election change after all the votes are counted, then that’s how democracies work. Why do Republicans have a problem with counting votes?

They can’t convert 3/5ths to decimal.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:10:28pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

“Fact-checked” - like they care! His audience doesn’t believe in facts.

Sure they do. They all believe the alternate facts, the fake news Trump says is not fake news. Fox, Jones, Limbaugh and the like. They believe in them passionately.

Kellyanne Conway can tell you how this all works.

So can Rudy Giuliani…he knows the truth isn’t the truth and conservatives believe him.

Oh, the times we live in.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:10:32pm

re: #56 Patricia Kayden

Count all the votes. If the results of the election change after all the votes are counted, then that’s how democracies work. Why do Republicans have a problem with counting votes?

All the way back to 2000, you’ll see people saying “But (candidate) conceded!” as it that actually has actual legal implications.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:11:10pm

re: #45 jaunte

That was clever? No, that was lying and slander. Acosta should sue her and the White House. They’re accusing him of a crime.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:11:21pm

Ok, I generally dislike Rubio, but this tweet is actually kind of funny:

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:11:42pm

re: #52 Sir John Barron

I see, so now Democrats can’t challenge election results or demand that all votes be counted. Pretty soon we’ll just be banned from voting at all.

Yup, pretty soon now. Maybe we’re one Trump SC justice away.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:11:58pm

Interesting polling information from my county -

The turnout for the Presidential election was 50%. We had partial mail voting then (some precincts had it and others didn’t).

After that, the state passed a law saying any county with fewer than 10,000 could request mail voting for the whole county. Ours did.

The turnout for the just-completed midterm was 71%.

Statewide the turnout was a bit over 50%.

As of yet, I still don’t know how the county canvassing board meeting went last night. There is no reporting in the local media about the village board election.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:12:41pm

re: #44 piratedan

I have no problem with Nancy Pelosi. I have huge problems with Schumer. He needs to step down or be voted out of his leadership position. He’s no match for McConnell. I miss Harry Reid.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:14:07pm

re: #45 jaunte

And right on top of the comments to that Post tweet is this

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Varek Raith  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:14:26pm

re: #69 Patricia Kayden

I have no problem with Nancy Pelosi. I have huge problems with Schumer. He needs to step down or be voted out of his leadership position. He’s no match for McConnell. I miss Harry Reid.

Agree.
Schumer still has this rosy view of Congress.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:14:30pm

Breaking into a right wing pundit’s house reminds me of those clueless lefties who thought they could protest the Afghanistan war by invading Vandenberg Air
Force Base and trashing the communications gear there. Fortunately, they changed their minds.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:15:06pm

re: #38 makeitstop

Now democrat lawyers are descending on #Florida. They have been very clear they aren’t here to make sure every vote is counted.

- They are here to change the results of election; &
- #Broward is where they plan to do it.#Sayfie

4/6

— Marco Rubio

OK, but what The Caravan?!?!?

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:15:39pm

re: #9 KGxvi

I just wonder about the future Trump Presidential Library and Burial Site… that grave/tomb is going to have to have 24 hour surveillance

Or at least a flush option for everyone that pisses on it.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:15:46pm

re: #58 nines09

Hello. Been out of town so to speak.

3 piece experiment rolls on.
We see, but I like the ability to actually change pickup settings and hear it.
No miking, no sound man. All on stage. Next up is the 3rd gig.
Never been the one to schmooze, so I’m not sure what will happen.
Always been afraid to post music I was a part of because, uh, it’s all, uh, subjective and….
This is my band who toured in the 70’s, and as we drew knives, I left, and got back together from 2003 to 2007.
We had great vocals. Still do. We will never do this again.
Bar band.
This ended in 2007.
This is a photograph in time.
Use headphones or buds.
Start with Station Man
You can buy our CD here…….
No you cannot.
Later.
soundcloud.com

I’ve had a 3 piece for over 10 years now, same guys. I’m in other bands that are bigger, but I love the 3 piece the best.

I was listening - sounds good! I was happy to see that Spirit cover on there, I used to play that one back in the day.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:15:54pm
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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:16:21pm

Bay County population: 183,974
Broward County population: 1,935,878 (second largest county in the state)

Registered voters in Bay county: 115,347
Registered voters in Broward County: 1,180,369

Wonder why Bay was able to finish up so much faster than Broward?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:16:37pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

This is in violation of the law:

8 USC §1158: Any alien physically present in the United States may apply for asylum.

This regime loves to break the law and yet claim to be a big supporter of law and order. This needs to be taken to the courts.

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freetoken  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:16:51pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

So you’re in ‘lection limbo?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:17:49pm

re: #9 KGxvi

I just wonder about the future Trump Presidential Library and Burial Site… that grave/tomb is going to have to have 24 hour surveillance

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:18:18pm

re: #76 jaunte

Rubio really isn’t that smart is he? Oops meant that for 77

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:18:19pm

re: #76 jaunte

To what end? We all saw the video and Acosta clearly did not physically assault that rude intern who attempted to grab the mic from him while he was still speaking. WE SAW THAT WITH OUR OWN EYES.

Bots don’t get to make up facts when we have seen the evidence.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:18:26pm

Wingnuts…..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:19:11pm

re: #76 jaunte

First time I’ve seen anyone actually IDENTIFY SHS as a Russian Troll, but it seems right enough….

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:20:18pm

re: #82 Patricia Kayden

To what end? We all saw the video and Acosta clearly did not physically assault that rude intern who attempted to grab the mic from him while he was still speaking. WE SAW THAT WITH OUR OWN EYES.

Bots don’t get to make up facts when we have seen the evidence.

I think Trump has demonstrated that the more repetitive noise about something the truer it feels to some people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:20:22pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Rubio really isn’t that smart is he?

Rubio really isn’t that…anything. Not much ‘there’ there.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:20:30pm

re: #84 Blind Frog Belly White

First time I’ve seen anyone actually IDENTIFY SHS as a Russian Troll, but it seems right enough….

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Natasha Fatale she ain’t.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:20:43pm

re: #79 freetoken

So you’re in ‘lection limbo?

It appears that way.

I’m tempted to call one of the local radio stations which have election results up and ask them to get with our county clerk to publish the results of the village board election. They published the other towns in the county.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:20:45pm

re: #83 Dave In Austin

Wingnuts…..

And your side was still enraged in the Bush years and before you lost Congress. Just close down already NRO and stop being such intellects dishonest hacks. All that stuff should be investigated and you hacks know it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:21:04pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Rubio really isn’t that…anything. Not much ‘there’ there.

Emptiest of the empty suits.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:21:22pm

re: #87 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Natasha Fatale she ain’t.

A portrait painted in the style of Stalinist Cubism.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:22:14pm

re: #83 Dave In Austin

I like to think of it as reboots, rather than reruns.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:22:48pm

re: #91 jaunte

A portrait painted in the style of Stalinist Cubism.

More like Stalinist Rutabagaism, but OK….

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:23:36pm

re: #83 Dave In Austin

Wingnuts…..

Let me know when the 11th repeat gets here.

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:25:02pm

re: #75 makeitstop

Thanks.
I’m in a very small pond and of a certain age, and unless I go drive 75 miles and sell my ass, it’s what it is.
I used to joke that “you should try driving 60 miles one way, set up, perform, do an encore, drink 8 beers, load up at 1:30AM, drive back and face reality the next day”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:25:17pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Emptiest of the empty suits.

Like the “Omega Glory” episode of Star Trek TOS…

Sen. Rubio? Is that you?
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:25:56pm

NRO is what is pseudo intellectual bullshit for snobby right wingers who think they’re better than the rest of us.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:27:00pm

re: #83 Dave In Austin

House Democrats want to investigate Russia, Kushner’s security clearance and business ties, the travel ban, Cambridge Analytica, the Puerto Rican hurricane and Michael Flynn’s contacts with foreign officials.

Sounds fine, what’s next?

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CongoJack  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:27:41pm

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

Like the “Omega Glory” episode of Star Trek TOS…

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Or the Adam West Batman episode when the leaders are turned into different color powders.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:29:11pm

re: #83 Dave In Austin

Wingnuts…..

RELEASE THE MEMO

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:29:13pm

re: #73 Sir John Barron

OK, but what The Caravan?!?!?

They are being rerouted to Florida and Georgia where they will help Democrats count votes and throw the elections to all the Democrat candidates.

It’s pure evil Soros I tell you.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:30:10pm

re: #95 nines09

Thanks.
I’m in a very small pond and of a certain age, and unless I go drive 75 miles and sell my ass, it’s what it is.
I used to joke that “you should try driving 60 miles one way, set up, perform, do an encore, drink 8 beers, load up at 1:30AM, drive back and face reality the next day”.

I tell people that I play for free and what meager pay I get is for travel, setting up and tearing down.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:30:19pm

re: #98 Sir John Barron

Sounds fine, what’s next?

Yeah I’m not seeing the problem here. This all should be investigated because NRO’s asshole Republicans ignored it the past two years. I wish NRO would just shut down. There’s no intellectual honesty there. Just hackery by a bunch of self fancied intellectual dickbags who are nowhere near as intelligent as they think.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:34:17pm

re: #99 CongoJack

Or the Adam West Batman episode when the leaders are turned into different color powders.

“Batman”, for some reason, was not shown on Channel 13 (WJZ) in Baltimore, which was the ABC station that we could reliably tune in. I had to try and get it on Channel 7 (WMAL) in DC, which was always tricky and generally snowy reception if you could see anything at all.

And we only had a black and white set, so they’d have been different shade of gray.

/(White Baby Boomer Problems)

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:36:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:36:21pm

I dunno. Moore and Hegseth seem like the perfect pair of idiots to talk about QAnon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:37:37pm

Wonkette weighing in on the media entirely ignoring a Nazi dogwhistle from Ted Nugent.

Ted Nugent Being Subtle Again

Ted Nugent, a native of Michigan, took to Facebook Wednesday to express his displeasure at the Badger Chevrolet Wolverine State for electing a whole bunch of Democrats, and maybe one Democrat in particular if you know what he means and we think you do.

On the compendium of random brainsharts that serves as his Facebook page, the full-time Texas resident explained the majority of Michigan voters certainly don’t speak for most Michiganders, like him, for instance.

Real God country family Michiganiacs are heartbroke that more of us want the once great state of Michigan to turn into a California shithole. Downright insane cultural suicide. Thanks for nothing assholes.

(bold mine)

They then go into various local and national media outlets which completely missed the point of Nugent’s Faceborg post, and the fact none of his followers there missed it at all.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:40:17pm

re: #105 jaunte

And despite all those subpoenas, President Obama had zero scandals and zero indictments against his administration. We cannot say the same for Trump and he’s only been in office for (less than) two years.

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piratedan  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:40:34pm

re: #105 jaunte

is patiently awaiting McConnell’s entire staff being issued subpoenas for their knowledge of the treasonous cover up….

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:40:56pm

re: #102 makeitstop

And still no one lumps that main to your ride…….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:41:41pm

re: #82 Patricia Kayden

To what end? We all saw the video and Acosta clearly did not physically assault that rude intern who attempted to grab the mic from him while he was still speaking. WE SAW THAT WITH OUR OWN EYES.

Bots don’t get to make up facts when we have seen the evidence.

One of the Cincinnati radio/TV stations tweeted about it today and asked if people thought the video was manipulated or not.
All the responses said they watched it as it happened and SHS’s tape was NOT manipulated…it was what really happened. THEY SAW IT HAPPEN JUST LIKE SHE SAID! and Acosta is a pushy jerk who doesn’t respect the president.

sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:42:04pm

re: #107 Anymouse 🌹

Wonkette weighing in on the media entirely ignoring a Nazi dogwhistle from Ted Nugent.

Ted Nugent Being Subtle Again

(bold mine)

They then go into various local and national media outlets which completely missed the point of Nugent’s Faceborg post, and the fact none of his followers there missed it at all.

Ted knows a lot about shitholes. His brain is one giant one.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:42:23pm

Oh noooze, someone knocked on Tuckers door!!!!! Trick or treat motherfucker.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:42:31pm

re: #105 jaunte

Watch them complain about that.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:42:56pm
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Belafon  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:43:35pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s no requirement to respect the president.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:44:34pm

Off topic, but I feel like it’s worth mentioning:

On September 28, WWE’s stock closed at 96.73, then the Saudi Arabia stuff happened. Today it closed at 70.07 (last week it was a little lower). That’s a 27.6% loss. It’s probably not going to matter much, because as I understand it, the McMahon family still owns a controlling number of shares.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:44:52pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the Cincinnati radio/TV stations tweeted about it today and asked if people thought the video was manipulated or not.
All the responses said they watched it as it happened and SHS’s tape was NOT manipulated…it was what really happened. THEY SAW IT HAPPEN JUST LIKE SHE SAID! and Acosta is a pushy jerk who doesn’t respect the president.

sigh.

OK, but what The Caravan??!?!??!?!?!?!?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:45:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:45:18pm

re: #98 Sir John Barron

Sounds fine, what’s next?

Lunch?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:47:54pm
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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:48:03pm

re: #117 KGxvi

Off topic, but I feel like it’s worth mentioning:

On September 28, WWE’s stock closed at 96.73, then the Saudi Arabia stuff happened. Today it closed at 70.07 (last week it was a little lower). That’s a 27.6% loss. It’s probably not going to matter much, because as I understand it, the McMahon family still owns a controlling number of shares.

Well, it does mean that Vince and Linda are now 27.6% poorer now, at least on paper.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:49:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:50:05pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Ted knows a lot about shitholes. His brain is one giant one.

Yup, for example, this Faceplant post from a couple hours ago on the mass-murder in Thousand Oaks.

Facebook Post

Why isn’t anybody talking about Emotional Wellness, and more specifically how environmental factors - even food - are causing people to become depressed, angry and suicidal? In a PLOS journal study, it was determined that synthetic compounds in trans-fatty foods cause aggressive behavior, as does eliminating food groups such as carbs. Can violent video games cause a lack of sensitivity to reality? What about the growing number of children at home without supervision after school? We know that PTSD is real. My husband and I support many veteran charities and have even built a pavilion for wounded soldiers at Brooke Medical Center in TX.

What about potato chips? I haven’t heard that one before (he didn’t provide a link to this alleged study, and I doubt Ted Nugent knows diddly squat about PLOS).

What about - violent video games?
What about - children at home after school without supervision?
What about - PTSD?

Last I checked, no one was murdered with a video game, and the shooter was not a child without supervision. As for PTSD, it can do a lot of things, but I don’t think that includes planning to go to a nightclub with guns and ammunition to kill as many people as you can.

Like any other mental disorder, those with PTSD are far more likely to be victims of violence, not perpetrators of it. Moreover, the idea that veterans are (apparently) the only ones with PTSD is not true.

And of course the answer is always “more guns.” I can’t imagine what would have happened if some dingbat who was carrying in a nightclub decided to be the Good Guy and shoot back. The whole crowd would be caught in the crossfire, and like the deputy and the security guard, also wind up dead.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:50:44pm

re: #122 TedStriker

Well, it does mean that Vince and Linda are now 27.6% poorer now, at least on paper.

True, but at this time last year, it was trading around $20/share, so they’re still way ahead of where they were. Hopefully, this will get them to reconsider the Saudi Arabia deal going forward, but I highly doubt that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:51:10pm

I do not advocate or agree with what happened to Tucker Carlson’s family last night, but for chrissakes, the man makes a living whipping up hate among the stupid and heavily armed. He and his side send the Flying Monkeys after anyone who even slightly criticizes Dear Leader, or expresses some dismay at things like separating families. He advocates for policies that are intended to terrorize families.

At what point are we supposed to still feel sympathy for Mrs. Goebbels, or for Eva Braun?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:52:24pm

re: #116 Belafon

There’s no requirement to respect the president.

Just ask Trump about that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:53:26pm

re: #121 Patricia Kayden

Behold a party that is confident of victory.//

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:54:47pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

That would be marvelous for some perv who wanted to hack people’s devices to watch them undress or something.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:55:18pm

It’s easy to see why Charlie didn’t get into West Point. He’s simply stupid.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 8, 2018 • 2:57:51pm

re: #121 Patricia Kayden

Shit…I knew that the GOP was suing to block some votes from being counted—didn’t realize that they were trying to block all of them. There are literally more outstanding ballots in Maricopa County than either candidate received. And if they are successful in blocking these, what the fuck is the point in having mail in ballots?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:00:08pm

re: #131 Mike Lamb

Shit…I knew that the GOP was suing to block some votes from being counted—didn’t realize that they were trying to block all of them. There are literally more outstanding ballots in Maricopa County than either candidate received. And if they are successful in blocking these, what the fuck is the point in having mail in ballots?

What’s the point in having elections at all?

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:00:20pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:01:12pm

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

What’s the point in having elections at all?

You vote to choose which worthy Republican will be the successor to the Republican who is planning to retire, of course.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:01:52pm

re: #133 nines09

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Amory Blaine  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:02:18pm

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

What’s the point in having elections at all?

As a warning to countries that want to practice democracy, not to follow our ways.

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:02:38pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

Thank you.
You got a dose of that did you not?

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:05:04pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:05:53pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

It’s easy to see why Charlie didn’t get into West Point. He’s simply stupid.

And maybe worse…over eager to display it, proudly.

I would think he would be considered a danger to himself and everyone else.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:06:39pm

an unscheduled 2 hour nap - all that running these last few weeks must have caught up

further to mail in / signature verification

gdf said

“not being enormous pedantic assholes about it.”
whoever said

its mostly that

verification is being used as a disfranchisement tool not a check on validity

- if it were, you wouldnt need 100% accuracy - or ‘experts’. most of the time it’s obvious
- because whats the harm in being close but ‘wrong’? one vote goes through by some other person who got their hands on your ballot, voted for you close enough forged your name? and you didnt know?

there’s always going to be some kind of errors and that percentage would be awfully low

does anyone know how they handle it in the all mail in states?

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Jay C  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:06:41pm

re: #134 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You vote to choose which worthy Republican will be the successor to the Republican who is planning to retire, of course.

SRSLY: If the State Constitution specifies that an appointed Senator has to be of the same Party as their predecessor, why shouldn’t the voters have to follow the same rule for an elected one?

This is snarky satire, but I would not be surprised to see this very argument made in all seriousness by some RWNJ blogger….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:06:50pm

Man, Trump is going to off the fucking rails after January 22.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:08:15pm

I saw a report RBG fell down, any confirm?
Edit: Never mind it’s from earlier.

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Jay C  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:08:17pm

re: #142 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, Trump is going to off the fucking rails after January 22.

Vs. the sober, steady, pragmatic and statesmanlike course he’s following now?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:09:05pm

re: #141 Jay C

SRSLY: If the State Constitution specifies that an appointed Senator has to be of the same Party as their predecessor, why shouldn’t the voters have to follow the same rule for an elected one?

This is snarky satire, but I would not be surprised to see this very argument made in all seriousness by some RWNJ blogger….

You jest but I remember a Wingnut insisting Souter needed to retire under Dubya because a Republican appointed him.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:09:29pm

re: #143 Amory Blaine

I saw a report RBG fell down, any confirm?

usatoday.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:09:30pm

re: #143 Amory Blaine

I saw a report RBG fell down, any confirm?

Yeah. Last I heard she’s going to be okay tho.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:09:33pm

Why do so many of these guys look like angry penises?

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:10:17pm

re: #143 Amory Blaine

I saw a report RBG fell down, any confirm?

Just heard a local news report. She fell in her office, had some discomfort overnight, went to the hospital and they found she cracked two ribs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:10:20pm

As a reminder, Ted Nugent appearances are gun-free zones, as he requires.

Don’t call him a hypocrite though.

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nines09  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:10:20pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:11:21pm

Because they are angry penises.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:12:38pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Why do so many of these guys look like angry penises?

Because they are angry dicks.

(And he was a college footballer I think I read, maybe at Michigan State. He has that ex-lineman look)

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:12:45pm

re: #142 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, Trump is going to off the fucking rails after January 22.

Why the two week delay? New Congress gets sworn in on the third.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:12:56pm

re: #152 Amory Blaine

Because they are angry penises.

A Trump voter at a rally earlier this week said “I’d vote for Trump even if he grew a third penis.” Some wondered about his second penis, and now we know.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:13:04pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Why do so many of these guys look like angry penises?

They are what they eat?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:14:06pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

You jest but I remember a Wingnut insisting Souter needed to retire under Dubya because a Republican appointed him.

You may recall a number of Dems saying RBG needed to retire so Obama could appoint her replacement before the election.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:14:19pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Why do so many of these guys look like angry penises?

Because they are?

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:15:23pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

Because they are angry dicks.

(And he was a college footballer I think I read, maybe at Michigan State. He has that ex-lineman look)

Just looked him up, He was a tight end footballer at Iowa. Played on their Rose Bowl team in 1991.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:16:40pm

re: #154 KGxvi

Why the two week delay? New Congress gets sworn in on the third.

Ah, didn’t realize that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:17:14pm

politicususa.com

Andrew Gullum has unconceded.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:18:08pm
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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:18:12pm

re: #19 makeitstop

Even sassy, he’s an assholeassy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:18:15pm

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹

politicususa.com

Andrew Gullum has unconceded.

Oh, the Republicans aren’t going to like that.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:18:17pm

re: #159 ObserverArt

Just looked him up, He was a tight end footballer at Iowa. Played on their Rose Bowl team in 1991.

His mom must be proud, I on the other hand don’t give a fuck about his “football career”. ;)

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freetoken  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:18:22pm

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹

Don’t know why he and Nelson did the “concede” thing, but then again, it’s Florida.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:19:35pm

It just occurred to me that with three recounts in Florida and maybe one in Georgia, staging all those Brooks Brothers Riots could get expensive….

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piratedan  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:19:47pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

this guy was essentially a legal fucking nobody two years ago and now he’s acting AG of the United States….. only the best people…..

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:20:52pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

As if he cares. The point is xenophobia and fear to gain and maintain power, not following the law.

People keep saying the GOP has become the “party of Trump.” No, Trump is just better at conservatism than others who came before.

honestly, i dont think thats quite the right word

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:21:14pm

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹

politicususa.com

Andrew Gullum has unconceded.

It was probably not a good idea to concede on election night with it being that close and having that many ballots outstanding.

On the bright side, from what I’ve read the Florida recount laws are automatic.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:21:23pm
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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:22:13pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Rubio is such a disgrace. He’s only in the Senate because he thought Trump would lose and he’d be the front runner in 2020 even though he’s more useless than a bag of dicks.

he couldnt find a paying job in the private sector

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:22:17pm

re: #165 Amory Blaine

His mom must be proud, I on the other hand don’t give a fuck about his “football career”. ;)

Trump: “He’s tough, he’s strong. Look at him. He is no Jeff Sessions, this I can tell you. He can crush Democrats like Adam Schiff. Look out Democrats, he’s going to block you! Hey, he’s a football player, he can block. I bet you didn’t know that did you? I picked him because they told Me he was a good blocker!”

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:23:08pm

re: #167 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It just occurred to me that with three recounts in Florida and maybe one in Georgia, staging all those Brooks Brothers Riots could get expensive….

Is it a recount or a runoff in Georgia? Or is there a recount to see if there’s a runoff?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:23:10pm

re: #167 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It just occurred to me that with three recounts in Florida and maybe one in Georgia, staging all those Brooks Brothers Riots could get expensive….

The dry cleaning alone could be ruinous.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:23:14pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Behold a party that is confident of victory.//

What’s up with Republicans blocking the counting of votes? Democrats need to embarrass the hell out of them for trying that nonsense. Every vote needs to be counted. Period.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:23:43pm

re: #172 dangerman

he couldnt find a paying job in the private sector

Ha yeah that too.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:23:51pm

re: #44 piratedan

I think the bigger the wave, the more likely that it is that we’ll see the gavel back in the hands of Nancy Smash, because this will allow those who foolishly made statements that they wouldn’t vote for her safely to do so, allowing them the opportunity to save face and still allowing Nancy to wield the necessary majorities to effectively block GOP legislation that blatantly hurts minorities, allow them to continually draft legislation for positive change, be it environmental, health care, immigration, gun control and continually force the GOP and the President to vote down common sense ideas and be on record.

I also expect her to have her team ready to rock and roll on day one and have spoken with and to each of the new members to find out what they are passionate about and where they can help and make a difference with their committee assignments.

Why? Because she’s organized and knows how to get shit done.

I fully expect the GOP to try and assassinate her because if anyone deserves credit alongside barrack Obama, it was Nancy Smash, for pulling the country’s chestnuts out of the fire in 2008 after inheriting the dumpster fire that W left.

Look at what got done in two years after W

the Infrastructure Bill to pull the country out of the ditch AND the ACA…. I have no truck with any of these assholes who think she’s lost a step, prove it, after watching the train wreck that was John Boehner and Paul Ryan, for ANYONE who seems to be suffering from amnesia from that time period, look at what got done in two fucking years and what has taken place since… we’re still coasting from the changes wrought in 2008-2010 that essentially saved the country and these bastards want to consign her to the dustbin… stupid mofos all….

and

she’s gonna be able to say - look what ive done, how ive already organized things in the last few weeks, anticipating this….

anybody else can say that?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:24:01pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

What’s up with Republicans blocking the counting of votes? Democrats need to embarrass the hell out of them for trying that nonsense. Every vote needs to be counted. Period.

Republicans don’t embarrass.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:24:22pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

What’s up with Republicans blocking the counting of votes? Democrats need to embarrass the hell out of them for trying that nonsense. Every vote needs to be counted. Period.

“TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK OFF!!!”

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Amory Blaine  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:24:29pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

Trump: “He’s tough, he’s strong. Look at him. He is no Jeff Sessions, this I can tell you. He can crush Democrats like Adam Schiff. Look out Democrats, he’s going to block you! Hey, he’s a football player, he can block. I bet you didn’t know that did you. I picked him because they told Me he was a good blocker!”

Now that’s funny. Well done.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:24:48pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Is it a recount or a runoff in Georgia? Or is there a recount to see if there’s a runoff?

In Georgia the winner must get 50% plus which is why there’s going to be a runoff. Good news is Kemp won’t be running that election.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:25:20pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Is it a recount or a runoff in Georgia? Or is there a recount to see if there’s a runoff?

Oh, I don’t know…I’m hopelessly confused.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:25:35pm
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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:25:40pm

re: #52 Sir John Barron

I see, so now Democrats can’t challenge election results or demand that all votes be counted. Pretty soon we’ll just be banned from voting at all.

marco:

if the recounts are done accurately and the vote flips, then the original tally was wrong

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Amory Blaine  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:26:16pm

Fucking south couldn’t run a goddamned barbecue properly.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:26:22pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

What’s up with Republicans blocking the counting of votes? Democrats need to embarrass the hell out of them for trying that nonsense. Every vote needs to be counted. Period.

We found out in 2000 they don’t embarrass easily.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:26:40pm

re: #186 Amory Blaine

Fucking south couldn’t properly run a goddamned barbecue properly.

Oh no you DIDN’T!

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Amory Blaine  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:27:11pm

Hee hee.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:27:40pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

What’s up with Republicans blocking the counting of votes? Democrats need to embarrass the hell out of them for trying that nonsense. Every vote needs to be counted. Period.

I think the logic is “we have laws on what constitutes a valid ballot/vote, voters and poll workers have an obligation to comply with those laws.” And that’s a fair position. We should be a nation of law.

The problem is when there’s vague language in the law and one county counts one way and another county counts a different way, with both being reasonable interpretations of a vaguely worded law.

The presumption should be a reading that allows the most ballots cast to be counted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:27:44pm

re: #184 gocart mozart

In the unlikely event that any Trumpkins read it, they probably see it as an instruction manual, rather than a cautionary tale.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:28:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:28:58pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

In Georgia the winner must get 50% plus which is why there’s going to be a runoff. Good news is Kemp won’t be running that election.

They are still counting ballots in Georgia, so there is no runoff yet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:29:51pm

re: #185 dangerman

marco:

if the recounts are done accurately and the vote flips, then the original tally was wrong

The first time through is a rush job that’s good enough for a +/- 0.5% difference. The recount is more rigorous, hence the result is more accurate.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:30:11pm

re: #183 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, I don’t know…I’m hopelessly confused.

I read something, somewhere, that there’s a run off if nobody gets a clear majority, but that there’s also a recount provision if the vote tally is within a certain margin of a clear majority, in order to make sure whether the run off is needed or not. But I don’t know if that’s right or if I’m not remembering it right

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:30:36pm

It would be expensive but worth it.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:32:58pm

re: #195 KGxvi

I read something, somewhere, that there’s a run off if nobody gets a clear majority, but that there’s also a recount provision if the vote tally is within a certain margin of a clear majority, in order to make sure whether the run off is needed or not. But I don’t know if that’s right or if I’m not remembering it right

For greater joy, consider that the recount could trigger the runoff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:32:59pm

made sourdough baguettes today and used some of the dough to make a couple of Stuffed Baguettes (#4 at the link).

Yep, these are good. Thinking now of other fillings for them and freezing them for MrBWS’s lunches. I’m guessing I’ll be busy with that this weekend.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:33:58pm

re: #192 gocart mozart

having popular and inspiring candidates makes politics so much better.

The fact that he could be following Lincoln’s path - member of the House, lost a Senate election, became president anyway - is just gravy.

Hopefully, it doesn’t end for him the way it ended for Lincoln.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:34:04pm

re: #195 KGxvi

I read something, somewhere, that there’s a run off if nobody gets a clear majority, but that there’s also a recount provision if the vote tally is within a certain margin of a clear majority, in order to make sure whether the run off is needed or not. But I don’t know if that’s right or if I’m not remembering it right

If Kemp looks like coming in at 50% - 1 vote, he’ll demand a recount, I’ll bet. He doesn’t want to risk a runoff with the whole country watching and not distracted by a thousand other races.

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:34:10pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

What’s up with Republicans blocking the counting of votes? Democrats need to embarrass the hell out of them for trying that nonsense. Every vote needs to be counted. Period.

Republicans are incapable of being embarrassed. It’s time to attack them for doing this.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:34:29pm
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:35:38pm

re: #164 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, the Republicans aren’t going to like that.

Oh well. As my sainted mother used to say, fuck them!

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:35:39pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:36:18pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:39:06pm

Matthew Whittaker will tell us what God’s will is in regards to Trump obeying the law.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:39:44pm

re: #206 jaunte

Matt Whittaker will tell us what God’s will is in regards to Trump obeying the law.

Who died and made him Moses?

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:42:36pm

re: #151 nines09

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Video

my favorite van ronk:

YouTube

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:43:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:44:56pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

What’s up with Republicans blocking the counting of votes? Democrats need to embarrass the hell out of them for trying that nonsense. Every vote needs to be counted. Period.

Conservatism has always been opposed to democracy. They cannot be embarrassed for supporting what they believe is true (only the “right” people should vote, or there should be no votes).

“Democrat” was made into a slur by the Federalist Party when Thomas Jefferson formed the Democratic-Republican Party. The Federalists were concerned giving as many people the franchise as possible would be ruinous to society.

The “Democrat Party” slur goes back to the late XIX Century.

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calochortus  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:45:07pm

Would it be too much to ask that I could turn on the TV/radio/internet without some new horrible thing having happened? Shooting, fire east of Chico, RBG breaks ribs, etc.

On the other hand, today I spent several lovely hours at Point Lobos (south of Carmel for those of you not familiar.) I didn’t see anything remarkable, but the weather was perfect, and I did see gulls, pelicans, oystercatchers, various little chirpy birds, sea lions, seals, voles, lizards, etc. And, of course, the finest poison oak based chaparrel in the world. A fair number of people there even on a Thursday in November, but I guess I can’t complain, because I was there too.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:45:25pm
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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:45:46pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

What’s up with Republicans blocking the counting of votes? Democrats need to embarrass the hell out of them for trying that nonsense. Every vote needs to be counted. Period.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:45:47pm

re: #200 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If Kemp looks like coming in at 50% - 1 vote, he’ll demand a recount, I’ll bet. He doesn’t want to risk a runoff with the whole country watching and not distracted by a thousand other races.

He also doesn’t want a lot more focus on his disenfranchisement efforts either.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:46:46pm

re: #192 gocart mozart

Why not. He has a HELL of a lot more experience in elected office than tRump. Young and well spoken (but he needs to control the F bomb, he will get eaten alive for that), fiery (fuck yeah).

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:48:03pm

re: #190 KGxvi

I think the logic is “we have laws on what constitutes a valid ballot/vote, voters and poll workers have an obligation to comply with those laws.” And that’s a fair position. We should be a nation of law.

The problem is when there’s vague language in the law and one county counts one way and another county counts a different way, with both being reasonable interpretations of a vaguely worded law.

The presumption should be a reading that allows the most ballots cast to be counted.

i think the logic is “what position is to our advantage?

/ only 1/2

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:49:16pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

The first time through is a rush job that’s good enough for a +/- 0.5% difference. The recount is more rigorous, hence the result is more accurate.

right - and again i dont get why

voting has to be done on/by election day
results dont
counting should take as long as it takes…

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:49:26pm

re: #210 Anymouse 🌹

Conservatism has always been opposed to democracy. They cannot be embarrassed for supporting what they believe is true (only the “right” people should vote, or there should be no votes).

“Democrat” was made into a slur by the Federalist Party when Thomas Jefferson formed the Democratic-Republican Party. The Federalists were concerned giving as many people the franchise as possible would be ruinous to society.

The “Democrat Party” slur goes back to the late XIX Century.

The Democratic-Republican Party wasn’t super concerned with universal suffrage either, to be fair. There were probably more abolitionists among the Federalists (like Hamilton and Franklin) than Democratic-Republicans

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:50:03pm
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calochortus  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:50:56pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

Gah. Hope they put it out quickly.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:51:17pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

Upwind?

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:51:25pm

“COUNT ALL THE VOTES! COUNT ALL THE VOTES! COUNT…wait, we’re ahead? STOP THE COUNTING, THEY’RE TRYING TO RIG THE VOTE!!!”

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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:53:52pm

When a Dem wins by one vote, every freaking Dem voter cast that vote.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:55:20pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

Upwind?

Lateral. We’re in Santa Ana conditions tho and it’s been hella windy all day. I’ll hike up there in a bit to see what the fuck is going on. Just glad I made it home before they blocked off the roads, a couple years ago I had to park two miles away and walk home carrying groceries.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:56:13pm

re: #218 KGxvi

The Democratic-Republican Party wasn’t super concerned with universal suffrage either, to be fair. There were probably more abolitionists among the Federalists (like Hamilton and Franklin) than Democratic-Republicans

That’s true as far as it goes. At the time no suffrage was granted to women, slaves, or Natives. The D-R party at the time wasn’t concerned as much about that as the reach of federal power and the Alien and Sedition Acts (Jefferson viewed them as unconstitutional).

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:56:38pm

re: #192 gocart mozart

I’d vote for Beto in a heartbeat. I’m very proud of his gubernatorial run. He came within 2% of Cruz in a red state for goodness sake. That’s amazing.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:57:57pm

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

That’s true as far as it goes. At the time no suffrage was granted to women, slaves, or Natives. The D-R party at the time wasn’t concerned as much about that as the reach of federal power and the Alien and Sedition Acts (Jefferson viewed them as unconstitutional).

History is a complicated and messy thing.

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sagehen  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:58:06pm

re: #204 jaunte

” civil disobedience” to court orders (otherwise known as contempt of court) is ok if the order conflicts with “God’s law.”

Civil disobedience to court orders (or any other laws) is absolutely okay if you’re willing to admit what you did and accept the penalty.

(that’s why the civil rights activists in the south needed new yorkers to give them duffel bags full of cash to pay their trespassing fines, etc)

It’s an effective strategy to draw attention to a law that would be hugely unpopular if enough people heard about it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:58:43pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

Lateral. We’re in Santa Ana conditions tho and it’s been hella windy all day. I’ll hike up there in a bit to see what the fuck is going on. Just glad I made it home before they blocked off the roads, a couple years ago I had to park two miles away and walk home carrying groceries.

Ugh. Dude.

Up here, we’re getting snow and bitter cold (20 degrees F / -6 degrees C). A couple of years ago, Mrs. Fish got stranded at the bottom of the big hill in town because her car didn’t have enough weight in the back end or tread on the tires to make traction on the ice. Some gracious soul picked her and the kids up half a mile from the house and took her home until I could come down and help her get the car from the gas station back home. Which reminds me, at some point this weekend I need to rotate her tires so that the new ones are on the back.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2018 • 3:59:55pm

re: #228 sagehen

Sure. But I think in this case, Whittaker will discover that God’s Law is completely congruent with whatever Trump decides he wants to do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:01:45pm

re: #218 KGxvi

The Democratic-Republican Party wasn’t super concerned with universal suffrage either, to be fair. There were probably more abolitionists among the Federalists (like Hamilton and Franklin) than Democratic-Republicans

Was Franklin a Federalist as he died in 1790 before the two parties really took fold. Not nitpicking because you’re right about the Federalists actually having more abolition and slavery opponents in their ranks. You can add John Adams to that too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:03:29pm

re: #217 dangerman

right - and again i dont get why

voting has to be done on/by election day
results dont
counting should take as long as it takes…

Television.

Think of the 18th Century, where election results would be tabulated in each precinct, then someone would have to physically take them to the next larger unit, and so on, and so on. Think how far it is from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia (PA Capital till 1799). By car, today, it’s 304 miles. via the turnpike, but that’s with a couple tunnels and other things that cut the distance down. So maybe 350-400 miles by horse.

It’s also the same distance back. So, you cast your vote for, say, Governor on a chiily November morning, and you hear the results back promptly sometime before Christmas.

Now? Cripes, if it’s not decided before the East Coast goes to bed, people bitch.

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sagehen  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:03:33pm

re: #217 dangerman

right - and again i dont get why

voting has to be done on/by election day
results dont
counting should take as long as it takes…

Oddly, my ATM is able to get perfectly accurate results within seconds. Hmmm.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:03:54pm

re: #227 KGxvi

History is a complicated and messy thing.

Which is why it’s moronic to act like the parties have been static in their ideologies throughout the centuries. The party that Lincoln co-founded. I like to think I would have been a part of that. Not just because of Lincoln’s opposition to slavery but because of Lincoln and also William Seward’s opposition to Know Nothingism and Lincoln’s support for internal improvements, an off shoot of Clay and Quincy Adams who I think while not a great President was a solid heir to his father as a great American statesman.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:04:02pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Was Franklin a Federalist? Not nitpicking because you’re right about the Federalists actually having more abolition and slavery opponents in their ranks. You can add John Adams to that too.

Wikipedia says he was an independent, but he served in the Washington and Adams administrations, so I’d say he was at least effectively a Federalist.

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:04:45pm

Paging Backwoods_Sleuth:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:05:35pm

re: #236 Interesting Times

NOT YOU

I don’t know why, but I’m dying of laughter over here.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:05:43pm
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banditqueen  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:06:00pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

I agree—the protesters should plan their protest so it affects Tucker himself—e.g. protesters surrounded McConnell’s car.

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Brian J.  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:06:01pm

Sinema has just taken the lead in Arizona, as the early ballots are being counted!

Sinema, Kyrsten 914,243 (48.91%)
McSally, Martha 912,137 (48.80%)

results.arizona.vote

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:06:04pm

re: #235 KGxvi

Wikipedia says he was an independent, but he served in the Washington and Adams administrations, so I’d say he was at least effectively a Federalist.

Franklin died in 1790 IIRC and remember Jefferson served as Washington’s Sec of State. You don’t really IMO see the divide between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists until Washington’s second term IMO. I do think Franklin was more likely to be with the Federalists than Anti-Federalists though. He did of course have friends on both sides of the argument as did many.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:06:40pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

Oh that would be too funny since Hugh Hewitt had a blurb today talking about how great McSally was.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:07:19pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:07:29pm

re: #207 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Who died and made him Moses?

Why does someone have to die? Trump and the GOP did.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:07:37pm

If we can get out of this with Sinema and Nelson winning and Gillum, man that would be great.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:07:40pm

re: #235 KGxvi

Wikipedia says he was an independent, but he served in the Washington and Adams administrations, so I’d say he was at least effectively a Federalist.

Wait, no, reading comprehension has gone to shit, he held those posts during the Articles of Confederation period.

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Brian J.  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:08:13pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Oh that would be too funny since Hugh Hewitt had a blurb today talking about how great McSally was.

Looks like Sinema’s gonna slow her Mustang down.

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ThomasLite  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:09:28pm

re: #226 Patricia Kayden

I’d vote for Beto in a heartbeat. I’m very proud of his gubernatorial run. He came within 2% of Cruz in a red state for goodness sake. That’s amazing.

Let’s be realistic, Cruz has a strong shot at being the most unlikable Senate incumbent in US history (sure someone will one-up that with an example, but they’ll be few and far between) and a lot of his momentum was only possible due to the current political madness.
Yes, he’s a very, very solid candidate. Not getting to run against bozo the clown’s half-molten stepbrother might deflate that stature somewhat. Then again if Trump does actually go for a second term rather than find some excuse to F off he might well have a similar punching bag to run against.

Not saying he’s not viable, but let’s not forget a goodly part of why he seems so likeable is, well, just by comparison. Also if you want to hammer Trump’s incompetence and lack of statesmanship it might help to have someone a little more formidable than a state house member on top of the ticket. VP maybe, but for top billing he might want to wait a couple more cycles.
If you like him though, good thing is he’s only 46. he’s got some decades left to go.

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:09:44pm

Holy living crap, this ballot looks like it was designed by a methhead with delerium tremens:

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:09:56pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

Lateral. We’re in Santa Ana conditions tho and it’s been hella windy all day. I’ll hike up there in a bit to see what the fuck is going on. Just glad I made it home before they blocked off the roads, a couple years ago I had to park two miles away and walk home carrying groceries.

Stay safe and good luck to you and your community.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:10:16pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

If we can get out of this with Sinema and Nelson winning and Gillum, man that would be great.

It would require rewriting a few narratives. But interestingly, as I saw Sean Trende pointing out, Sinema and/or Nelson and/or Gillum winning by a few votes is really the same story as them LOSING by a few votes.

Political results wildly different, of course, but the story of the vote and the voters is the same.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:10:16pm

re: #246 KGxvi

Wait, no, reading comprehension has gone to shit, he held those posts during the Articles of Confederation period.

All good man. You know who’s an underappreciated Founding Father since your post got me thinking about that excellent John Adams miniseries from some years back but Dr. Benjamin Rush. I have a special fondness for Founding Fathers like him, Franklin, Jefferson, and Washington that were men of multiple talents. Here’s his wiki if anyone is curious. He was anti capital punishment in the late 18th century and he advocated for women too.
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:10:47pm

re: #247 Brian J.

Looks like Sinema’s gonna slow her Mustang down.

Snicker good one. Now hopefully Florida says no to Voldemort too.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:11:03pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

If we can get out of this with Sinema and Nelson winning and Gillum, man that would be great.

Beyond great. Trump’s “great success” would be a net gain of one seat in the Senate. His endorsement rate would suck even bigger balls.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:11:14pm

re: #251 Blind Frog Belly White

It would require rewriting a few narratives. But interestingly, as I saw Sean Trende pointing out, Sinema and/or Nelson and/or Gillum winning by a few votes is really the same story as them LOSING by a few votes.

Political results wildly different, of course, but the story of the vote and the voters is the same.

Oh yeah definitely narrative matters.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:11:24pm

re: #249 Interesting Times

Holy living crap, this ballot looks like it was designed by a methhead with delerium tremens:

well, it is Florida….

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Brian J.  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:11:45pm

There’s also a-doin’s transpiring in Florida, where Scott’s lead has been trimmed to just over 15,000 votes according to the official site.

floridaelectionwatch.gov

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:12:06pm

re: #230 U

Sure. But I think in this case, Whittaker will discover that God’s Law is completely congruent with whatever Trump decides he wants to do.

Whittaker is like every other Republican. Trump IS his Gawd!

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:12:07pm

re: #248 ThomasLite

Beto ran the kind of campaign a certain Senator from Illinois did. Had he run in a slightly more liberal state than here in Texas, he would have won.

I don’t get the “can’t go from the House to the presidency thing.” It’s not like 2016 was his first term. He’s got government experience. The House isn’t the lesser chamber.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:12:22pm

re: #254 Mike Lamb

Beyond great. Trump’s “great success” would be a net gain of one seat in the Senate. His endorsement rate would suck even bigger balls.

Exactly. A net gain of one with all the seats the Dems had to defend would be incredible. I’m at this point more optimistic about Sinema in Arizona since she’s ahead but you never know. I have optimism on Stacey Abrams in the run off too.

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sagehen  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:12:31pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Franklin died in 1790 IIRC and remember Jefferson served as Washington’s Sec of State. You don’t really IMO see the divide between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists until Washington’s second term IMO. I do think Franklin was more likely to be with the Federalists than Anti-Federalists though. He did of course have friends on both sides of the argument as did many.

All of it comes down to Jefferson and Hamilton hated each other.

Jefferson owned people, Hamilton thought that shouldn’t be allowed.
Jefferson was a rapist, Hamilton a seducer.
Jefferson wanted an agrarian feudalist nation, Hamilton wanted an urban mercantile society.
Jefferson played violin, Hamilton was a rapper (/s).
Both of them were great writers.

You’d think conservatives should love Hamilton; he founded the Bank of New York, the Stock Exchange and the NY Post. But he hated slavery, so conservatives have to lean towards Jefferson.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:14:24pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

All good man. You know who’s an underappreciated Founding Father since your post got me thinking about that excellent John Adams miniseries from some years back but Dr. Benjamin Rush. I have a special fondness for Founding Fathers like him, Franklin, Jefferson, and Washington that were men of multiple talents. Here’s his wiki if anyone is curious. He was anti capital punishment in the late 18th century and he advocated for women too.
en.wikipedia.org

Robert Carter III is another one worth considering. Freed 500 slaves because of the revolution and declaration. There’s a biography of his that I’ve been meaning to read for a long time.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:14:54pm

re: #229 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ugh. Dude.

Up here, we’re getting snow and bitter cold (20 degrees F / -6 degrees C). A couple of years ago, Mrs. Fish got stranded at the bottom of the big hill in town because her car didn’t have enough weight in the back end or tread on the tires to make traction on the ice. Some gracious soul picked her and the kids up half a mile from the house and took her home until I could come down and help her get the car from the gas station back home. Which reminds me, at some point this weekend I need to rotate her tires so that the new ones are on the back.

Getting forecasts for some snow flurries over the weekend in central and northern Ohio. High Saturday maybe 36°. Ugh.

Looks like I need to get the winter tires on my car this weekend. The summer tires are not good under 40°. They get hard and slippery. Getting cold early this year. I can usually make it to Thanksgiving to swap out the tires.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:15:36pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

Be safe

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:15:41pm

re: #261 sagehen

All of it comes down to Jefferson and Hamilton hated each other.

Jefferson owned people, Hamilton thought that shouldn’t be allowed.
Jefferson was a rapist, Hamilton a seducer.
Jefferson wanted an agrarian feudalist nation, Hamilton wanted an urban mercantile society.
Jefferson played violin, Hamilton was a rapper (/s).
Both of them were great writers.

You’d think conservatives should love Hamilton; he founded the Bank of New York, the Stock Exchange and the NY Post. But he hated slavery, so conservatives have to lean towards Jefferson.

I first heard this here on LGF I believe and I use it with friends but modern liberals want Jeffersonian goals by Hamiltonian means and conservatives want Hamiltonian goals by Jeffersonian means. I am glad that Lin-Manuel Miranda made his Hamilton play because I came away with an appreciation of Hamilton for all his warts when I took American history in college. He was a flawed guy and a bit of a prick but I do think a very intelligent founding father that had a lot more foresight about our economic future than Jefferson had. I’m glad history remembers him more than just that guy that Aaron Burr shot.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:15:49pm

re: #248 ThomasLite

Let’s be realistic, Cruz has a strong shot at being the most unlikable Senate incumbent in US history (sure someone will one-up that with an example, but they’ll be few and far between) and a lot of his momentum was only possible due to the current political madness.
Yes, he’s a very, very solid candidate. Not getting to run against bozo the clown’s half-molten stepbrother might deflate that stature somewhat. Then again if Trump does actually go for a second term rather than find some excuse to F off he might well have a similar punching bag to run against.

Not saying he’s not viable, but let’s not forget a goodly part of why he seems so likeable is, well, just by comparison. Also if you want to hammer Trump’s incompetence and lack of statesmanship it might help to have someone a little more formidable than a state house member on top of the ticket. VP maybe, but for top billing he might want to wait a couple more cycles.
If you like him though, good thing is he’s only 46. he’s got some decades left to go.

If it’s not Trump (narrator: it’s going to be Trump), it’ll probably be Pence. Otherwise it’s someone like Cruz or Rubio. I’d like Beto’s chances in any case.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:15:50pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:16:07pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

Getting forecasts for some snow flurries over the weekend in central and northern Ohio. High Saturday maybe 36°. Ugh.

Looks like I need to get the winter tires on my car this weekend. The summer tires are not good under 40°. They get hard and slippery. Getting cold early this year. I can usually make it to Thanksgiving to swap out the tires.

It is getting cold early. I don’t think the high is supposed to get above freezing for the better part of a week. That’s going to suck if I have to rotate the tires; it’s a tedious job in the summer, and freezing-cold tools and air temperatures just make it worse.

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:16:47pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

I thought of you as soon as I saw this thread - would you say it’s accurate?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:18:12pm

re: #262 KGxvi

Robert Carter III is another one worth considering. Freed 500 slaves because of the revolution and declaration. There’s a biography of his that I’ve been meaning to read for a long time.

I need to look at him. Ashamed to say that I don’t know him even though he’s from my state but this is pretty neat:
Carter became known for his religious freethinking and support of dissenters even before the Revolution. He resigned from the Cople Parish Church vestry in 1776,[29] and during the following year had a mystical experience while feverish from smallpox inoculation.[30] This prompted further spiritual seeking, from composing his own prayer for God to “have pity upon all Jews, Turks, Infidels & Hereticks”, to making trips to experience Quaker, Methodist, Presbyterian and Baptist preachers, as well as investigating Arminianism and perhaps Catholicism (although such was illegal in Virginia at the time).[31] On September 6, 1778, the Rev. Lewis Lunsford[32] baptised Carter in Totuskey Creek. Carter scandalized neighbors further by joining Morattico Baptist Church,[33] a mixed congregation of white and black, free and slave. Carter knew he risked persecution, for Eleazar Clay, another wealthy man, had his life threatened after conversion, and during the three weeks preceding his own baptism Carter attended two different services that were attacked by armed mobs which included Revolutionary War veterans.[34] Frances Ann Tasker Carter, who was declared an invalid in October 1779 after the birth of their 16th child,[35] moved to Bladensburg, Maryland for health reasons,[36] and eventually converted to the Baptist faith there a year before her death in 1787.[37]

In those days Baptists were strong supporters of separating church and state because they had been victims of church and state together policies in Europe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:18:18pm

re: #237 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t know why, but I’m dying of laughter over here.

me too!

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:19:22pm

re: #259 Belafon

Beto ran the kind of campaign a certain Senator from Illinois did. Had he run in a slightly more liberal state than here in Texas, he would have won.

I don’t get the “can’t go from the House to the presidency thing.” It’s not like 2016 was his first term. He’s got government experience. The House isn’t the lesser chamber.

Normally you can’t go from the House to the presidency because most House members are not well known, even within their own districts, let alone their states or nationally. Senators have an advantage - they have statewide name recognition and there’s fewer of them, and they more often end up on TV. Usually, you’d need to be in the House leadership to have national name recognition.

Beto is different because, despite running a mostly Texas race, he gained national attention. That helps.

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:20:13pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

me too!

I’m embarrassed that Kim marriage-certificate-denier Davis is the only one I recognize, though - who are the others?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:20:41pm

There was a neat English freethinker I read about that was opposed to both Cromwell and the Stuarts in the English Civil War. I forget his name but Frank Turner, a singer that makeitstop and I have both seen mentioned him as his idol in a BBC interview I read. I wish I could remember the guy’s name. I love reading about people like that go against the mold like that. Another neat English rebel is this guy:
en.wikipedia.org

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ThomasLite  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:21:55pm

re: #259 Belafon

Beto ran the kind of campaign a certain Senator from Illinois did. Had he run in a slightly more liberal state than here in Texas, he would have won.

I don’t get the “can’t go from the House to the presidency thing.” It’s not like 2016 was his first term. He’s got government experience. The House isn’t the lesser chamber.

Oh hey, US representative. Funny I’d gotten it into my head he was a member of the TX state house. My bad, that’s way less of an impediment (…and ouch).
I agree house or senate doesn’t really matter all that much (well, I mean, smaller chamber does tend to mean more responsibility for committee members and being involved in the whole appointments process is valuable but I doubt many voters who actually know and care enough to make that distinction will be swayed either way come 2020).

Best would be a governor with previous legislative experience (or legislator with gubernatorial experience I guess) but I guess you can’t win them all.

(TBH personally I really don’t like his style on a podium and the whole ‘cool teacher’ vibe he’s got about him isn’t something I’m happy with from any responsible adult but that’s nothing worse than what Obama’s campaign (2008 anyway) felt like to me and he was great once he got into office so ehh. And it’s not like either of us wouldn’t prefer decomposing raccoon/cthulhu 2020 to get rid of the current menace anyway).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:22:18pm

re: #272 KGxvi

Normally you can’t go from the House to the presidency because most House members are not well known, even within their own districts, let alone their states or nationally. Senators have an advantage - they have statewide name recognition and there’s fewer of them, and they more often end up on TV. Usually, you’d need to be in the House leadership to have national name recognition.

Beto is different because, despite running a mostly Texas race, he gained national attention. That helps.

I’m sure he’s exhausted from running against Cruz the past two years but I would immediately sign up for his campaign if he ran for POTUS. I wanted Cruz to lose yes but I genuinely really like Beto too. He’s the kind of person I think should be leading the progressive charge of the 2020’s. if not him, someone with his approach and ideals.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:22:23pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

Getting forecasts for some snow flurries over the weekend in central and northern Ohio. High Saturday maybe 36°. Ugh.

Looks like I need to get the winter tires on my car this weekend. The summer tires are not good under 40°. They get hard and slippery. Getting cold early this year. I can usually make it to Thanksgiving to swap out the tires.

Yeah, I am hearing talk of weather like that up here in NW PA.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:23:53pm
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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:24:16pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

I first heard this here on LGF I believe and I use it with friends but modern liberals want Jeffersonian goals by Hamiltonian means and conservatives want Hamiltonian goals by Jeffersonian means. I am glad that Lin-Manuel Miranda made his Hamilton play because I came away with an appreciation of Hamilton for all his warts when I took American history in college. He was a flawed guy and a bit of a prick but I do think a very intelligent founding father that had a lot more foresight about our economic future than Jefferson had. I’m glad history remembers him more than just that guy that Aaron Burr shot.

I’m pretty much a Hamiltonian through and through. Jefferson was wrong about almost everything. Hamilton was much younger than the rest of the Founders, if I remember correctly, and unlike the rest was self-made - an immigrant born to an unwed mother.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:24:29pm

re: #275 ThomasLite

Oh hey, US representative. Funny I’d gotten it into my head he was a member of the TX state house. My bad, that’s way less of an impediment (…and ouch).
I agree house or senate doesn’t really matter all that much (well, I mean, smaller chamber does tend to mean more responsibility for committee members and being involved in the whole appointments process is valuable but I doubt many voters who actually know and care enough to make that distinction will be swayed either way come 2020).

Best would be a governor with previous legislative experience (or legislator with gubernatorial experience I guess) but I guess you can’t win them all.

(TBH personally I really don’t like his style on a podium and the whole ‘cool teacher’ vibe he’s got about him isn’t something I’m happy with from any responsible adult but that’s nothing worse than what Obama’s campaign (2008 anyway) felt like to me and he was great once he got into office so ehh. And it’s not like either of us wouldn’t vote decomposing raccoon/cthulhu 2020 to get rid of the current menace anyway).

We all have different preferences to style. For me here’s why I like him. I like that he was unashamed to be a staunch progressive Dem in Texas. I like that he’s been vocal on two issues I find important: criminal justice and immigration and I like that he was willing to campaign everywhere he could too but I understand where you’re coming from too and as I said we each have our own preferences.

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:25:28pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Why do so many of these guys look like angry penises?

Literal dick heads.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:25:32pm

re: #272 KGxvi

Normally you can’t go from the House to the presidency because most House members are not well known, even within their own districts, let alone their states or nationally. Senators have an advantage - they have statewide name recognition and there’s fewer of them, and they more often end up on TV. Usually, you’d need to be in the House leadership to have national name recognition.

Beto is different because, despite running a mostly Texas race, he gained national attention. That helps.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the DNC tries to convince O’Rourke to run because he might be the Democratic Party’s best hope of flipping Texas in a Presidential election in more than a generation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:26:06pm

re: #279 KGxvi

I’m pretty much a Hamiltonian through and through. Jefferson was wrong about almost everything. Hamilton was much younger than the rest of the Founders, if I remember correctly, and unlike the rest was self-made - an immigrant born to an unwed mother.

Hamilton was born in 1755 and you’re right about him being one of the few self made ones. There were a couple others. Franklin actually was self made as was Roger Sherman, Connecticut’s forgotten founding father but an important one in that he signed all the major documents of the age and the father of the Great Compromise that gave us our legislature as it’s currently constructed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:27:18pm

Maybe Beto for VP wouldn’t be a bad thing. Pair him with a Senator or Governor like Harris, Booker, Brown, and a sleeper I want to learn more about but Pa’s Governor Wolf who won by a solid margin.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:27:20pm

Smoke from Camp Fire

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:29:10pm

re: #240 Brian J.

Sinema has just taken the lead in Arizona, as the early ballots are being counted!

Sinema, Kyrsten 914,243 (48.91%)
McSally, Martha 912,137 (48.80%)

results.arizona.vote

Woo hoo!!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:30:10pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Because they’re dicks.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:30:10pm

I think we’re gonna make that wildfire record this year after all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:30:48pm

I think people like Jefferson because Jefferson is the romantic of the Revolution. The writer of “All men are created equal”, the Sage of Monticello who loved France, and later the purchaser of the Louisiana Purchase. I’ve always had a weak spot for Adams for his brave defense of the soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre. Everyone’s entitled to a defense in this country and Adams’ bravery in defending those guys is a big part of why. Plus I actually met a guy who played one of the soldiers as an extra since he was a re-enactor at a colonial event I went to around that time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:31:54pm

re: #290 gocart mozart

Susan Collins can see electoral defeat from her house.

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Archangelus  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:33:22pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:33:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:34:20pm

re: #292 Archangelus

I’m feeling good about this one.

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ThomasLite  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:34:23pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Maybe Beto for VP wouldn’t be a bad thing. Pair him with a Senator or Governor like Harris, Booker, Brown, and a sleeper I want to learn more about but Pa’s Governor Wolf who won by a solid margin.

Booker seems the best chance by far out of those. Sensible moderate with a spotless record and a good helping of charisma to boot. (personally not a fan of the others either tbh but that’s beside the point)

Also, and I know it should not matter, but any suggestion that helps with the sort of folks who are nostalgic for the time of 44 is a good thing, too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:34:39pm

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

I normally don’t like cherry pie but dayum that looks good.

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Archangelus  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:34:54pm

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

*Drools*

Damn that looks good!

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Jay C  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:35:03pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

Television.

Think of the 18th Century, where election results would be tabulated in each precinct, then someone would have to physically take them to the next larger unit, and so on, and so on. Think how far it is from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia (PA Capital till 1799). By car, today, it’s 304 miles. via the turnpike, but that’s with a couple tunnels and other things that cut the distance down. So maybe 350-400 miles by horse.

It’s also the same distance back. So, you cast your vote for, say, Governor on a chilly November morning, and you hear the results back promptly sometime before Christmas.

Now? Cripes, if it’s not decided before the East Coast goes to bed, people bitch.

Also, IIRC: it wasn’t until 1845 (?) that Election Day was held on the same day nationwide, by law. Prior to that, I think each state set its own date: but by the 1840’s technology, in the shape of better roads and (most importantly) the telegraph made the old system - where, with fast enough horses, election results in early-voting states could affect polling (i.e. via political manipulation) in the later-voting ones.
Better nowadays, but of course, there will always be exceptions Florida…..

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:35:22pm

re: #240 Brian J.

Sinema has just taken the lead in Arizona, as the early ballots are being counted!

Sinema, Kyrsten 914,243 (48.91%)
McSally, Martha 912,137 (48.80%)

results.arizona.vote

How long before Trump says: “The elections are rigged and the Democrats are trying to steal some extra seats. They should be counted by Tuesday midnight and not a day longer or they don’t get counted, it’s the people’s fault for being late!!!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:35:34pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

I normally don’t like cherry pie but dayum that looks good.

I take back all the nice things I ever said about you.
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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:36:59pm

re: #299 ObserverArt

How long before Trump says: “The elections are rigged and the Democrats are trying to steal some extra seats. They should be counted by Tuesday midnight and not a day longer or they don’t get counted, it’s the people’s fault for being late!!!”

Rubio already ran that play this afternoon.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:38:37pm

re: #295 ThomasLite

Booker seems the best chance by far out of those. Sensible moderate with a spotless record and a good helping of charisma to boot. (personally not a fan of the others either tbh but that’s beside the point)

Also, and I know it should not matter, but any suggestion that helps with the sort of folks who are nostalgic for the time of 44 is a good thing, too.

He’s also got some exec experience too which is a nice bonus for a Senator. I think we need at least one person from the midwest or someone from the west for the ticket IMO. I think the West is a place where we can grow as a party, see Sinema’s hopeful win, the gains for Senate and Governor in Nevada, and the clean sweep in NM. The Midwest is an area we need to show that we care again. I have to say as much as I like my own Senator Kaine, maybe Sherrod Brown would have been a better running mate for HRC due to her struggles there but gotta think about the future right now. CAn’t dwell but I like Booker for similar reasons to you but I also like that he has a strong emphasis on CJ reform.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:38:45pm

Dems are using their heads.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:39:23pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

I take back all the nice things I ever said about you.
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It can be too tart for me honestly. I like the cream pies and the cirtus pies. Long live Key Lime!

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Jay C  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:39:31pm

So I wonder just how many of those 42,885 votes squandered on cast for the Green candidate would have gone to McSally, and how many (as was requested) to Sinema? Just a guess that the gap would be significantly larger….

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garzooma  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:43:21pm

re: #290 gocart mozart

Here’s an piece on the Boston rally I attended:
Thousands rally at Boston Common in wake of Sessions resignation

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:44:14pm

re: #306 garzooma

Linky no worky.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:44:49pm

I know this though. Whoever the Dem nominee in 2020 will be the most radical person ever according to the GOP noise machine and millions of our fellow Americans will have Pavlovian hatred to him or her by Election Day.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:46:04pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

I take back all the nice things I ever said about you.
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Hey, that just means more for you.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:46:40pm
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retired cynic  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:47:31pm

re: #44 piratedan

I just heard Tim Ryan interviewed on NPR and he may be on our D side, but what an ass. Nancy Pelosi is the only leader he is fussed about. His claim is that if “we don’t let young new members vote against her when they ran on that, we are hurting them with their constituents.” So let those vote against her, if they want to be that ignorant. Good grief.

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piratedan  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:48:05pm

re: #305 Jay C

to be fair Jay, Ms. Green dropped out of the race with only a week to go, so any folks sitting on the fence would be the only ones affected by her announcement, wouldn’t affect all of the early voting that would have been done on her behalf that had already been mailed in.

This was a national race in microcosm… McSally ran multiple ads touting the big lie that she supported pre-existing condition protections and even propped up a rural nurse to give her street cred in doing so, whereas the Congressional Record on her votes say otherwise…. so who are you going to believe, some talking head showing you a date and a vote or some nice burse telling you that Ms. McSally would never do such a thing….

so we had actual GOP deeds on the record on one side and GOP lies on the other… just goes to show you how effective the big lie actually is in that the race is THIS close. I normally don’t hate politicians, but in McSally’s case, lying about her vote and then running on that lie sure has made me loathe the everloving hell outta her.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:51:12pm

re: #311 retired cynic

I just heard Tim Ryan interviewed on NPR and he may be on our D side, but what an ass. Nancy Pelosi is the only leader he is fussed about. His claim is that if “we don’t let young new members vote against her when they ran on that, we are hurting them with their constituents.” So let those vote against her, if they want to be that ignorant. Good grief.

It’d be nice if he didn’t reenforce the Pelosi is the Debil crap. I mean I get why there’s pining for new leadership in a way but at the same time, Ryan and a lot of Pelosi’s opponents never give her credit when she deserves it which she deserves more often than not.

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piratedan  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:51:50pm

re: #311 retired cynic

IIRC he’s the same dipshit who attempted to dethrone her as Minority Leader in the House and got zippity do-dah in traction. We probably won’t see him in a leadership role because he’s probably a blue dog misogynist when it comes down to brass tacks… I suspect his actual number of supports is small and when the new kids meet him, we’ll see how well he does in recruiting them to his cause but methinks that the young’uns coming in might be a tad too liberal for the likes of Mr. Ryan.

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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:51:56pm

re: #134 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You vote to choose which worthy Republican will be the successor to the Republican who is planning to retire, of course.

To reap the spoils of their extensive contacts in business and government in order to feather their retirement nest egg, no doubt.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:52:12pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:54:40pm

Gotta try this one :)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:56:20pm

Looks good for Sinema right now.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:56:21pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:56:28pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:56:29pm

re: #311 retired cynic

I just heard Tim Ryan interviewed on NPR and he may be on our D side, but what an ass. Nancy Pelosi is the only leader he is fussed about. His claim is that if “we don’t let young new members vote against her when they ran on that, we are hurting them with their constituents.” So let those vote against her, if they want to be that ignorant. Good grief.

Nancy will let just enough of them vote against her.

But, you know, who the fuck do you think drove the message discipline that got us to >35 flips?

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:57:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:58:38pm

re: #320 Patricia Kayden

I take it the other man is Cody’s grandfather. Heartbreaking. My heart breaks for all these families and I’m with Alyssa. We need to do something. Fuck what the NRA wants.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 4:59:15pm

re: #322 gocart mozart

Silence from the WH of course because they’re too busy bullying Acossta.

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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:00:09pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

I take it the other man is Cody’s grandfather. Heartbreaking. My heart breaks for all these families and I’m with Alyssa. We need to do something. Fuck what the NRA wants.

If this were any other civilized country, the NRA may very well be classed as a terrorist organization.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:01:15pm

re: #325 TedStriker

If this were any other civilized country, the NRA may very well be classed as a terrorist organization.

The way those sons of bitches harass politicians who don’t share their view on guns is downright terroristic and then you see where they were getting their money and talking points from.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:01:50pm

re: #322 gocart mozart

I remember when Duterte was only executing “drug dealers”. Now he’s moved on to the legal profession. Sigh.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:02:12pm

Arizona in 2016
There were 2,062,810 votes for President
as of now there are 1,854,307 for this senate seat

How high was the turnout in Arizona?

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:02:21pm

re: #269 Interesting Times

I thought of you as soon as I saw this thread - would you say it’s accurate?

I’d say that is pretty fair.

And the comment about Ohio being southern to a degree needs some explanation.

Ohio was a big booming industrial state. Every bit as big as Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania. That is why there were so many medium size cities in the northern part of the state. These cities brought in a ton of people from Kentucky and West Virginia for jobs. These folks are now the Trump voters because just like in Kentucky and West Virginia they still want those old jobs that paid well, but now are gone. And they don’t seem to want to learn (add in the comments about education) new tech. So they are angry.

The central west to south was huge in farming. That is all corporate and so you have those nice old classic farm communities that had the old Victorians and The Nice Court Houses struggling too because farming has changed and become production. Those towns have been stripped of youth and all they have are older folks stuck in them.

The thread doesn’t seem to touch on the fact that all the elections are close, it is never a Red drubbing. So, I think what has happened is Ohio is like a little United States. It has the rad areas that are angry and the larger cities are liberal to the point that too pisses off the rural people.

And as far as people leaving for jobs. That is a little disingenuous. Columbus is booming and a lot of it is tech, banking, insurance and education. They can’t build housing fast enough it seems. Our downtown is filling in fast with 8 to 12 story apartments and condos.

And Kasich fucked up a lot of communities budgets which hurt school funding. He touted how he balanced the Ohio budget. He did…on the backs of the communities who lost state funding due to all the cuts and lower taxes to make Johnny look good. Well that is fine and dandy, but the communities then had to raise taxes and fees to pay for schools and infrastructure and many of those communities just didn’t have the people to pay them or they resisted.

Long run, we will be alright once the younger folks take over a bit more. It’s the olds (even though I am 64) that are the problem. Old thinking and suspicious of everything.

Sorry for the long post…a lot to say.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:02:33pm

re: #327 Patricia Kayden

I remember when Duterte was only executing “drug dealers”. Now he’s moved on to the legal profession. Sigh.

He won’t be the last. Duterte’s got a friend in a powerful place. I’m old enough to remember when we led the way against tyrants like this.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:02:46pm

re: #325 TedStriker

If this were any other civilized country, the NRA may very well be classed as a terrorist organization.

Or a criminal organization, at the very least.

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:02:51pm

re: #305 Jay C

So I wonder just how many of those 42,885 votes squandered on cast for the Green candidate would have gone to McSally, and how many (as was requested) to Sinema? Just a guess that the gap would be significantly larger….

When you consider how much of a hassle it can be to vote in the US - long lines, bad hours, hard-to-reach polling places, etc - it’s mind-boggling to think someone would go through all that for someone they damn well know has zero chance to win -_- I mean, if you hate the major party choices that much, might as well save yourself the trouble and stay home (and who knows, maybe the majority of the Green party voters would have done just that if she hadn’t initially been on the ballot).

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:03:00pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

I take it the other man is Cody’s grandfather. Heartbreaking. My heart breaks for all these families and I’m with Alyssa. We need to do something. Fuck what the NRA wants.

Unfortunately, Republicans have made it clear that they have no intentions of doing ANYTHING to stop gun violence. Guns above people.

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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:03:58pm

re: #327 Patricia Kayden

I remember when Duterte was only executing “drug dealers”. Now he’s moved on to the legal profession. Sigh.

Seems that Duterte has taken Henry VI’s “kill all the lawyers” to its logical conclusion, which ain’t good.

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:04:06pm

re: #299 ObserverArt

How long before Trump says: “The elections are rigged and the Democrats are trying to steal some extra seats. They should be counted by Tuesday midnight and not a day longer or they don’t get counted, it’s the people’s fault for being late!!!”

I wondering when he’ll petition his Supreme Court for an emergency stay to stop all the recounts.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:04:25pm

re: #328 Kilroy was here

I wish Greens and other third party candidates would stop running in these tight races.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:06:23pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Maybe Beto for VP wouldn’t be a bad thing. Pair him with a Senator or Governor like Harris, Booker, Brown, and a sleeper I want to learn more about but Pa’s Governor Wolf who won by a solid margin.

And Sherrod Brown does kick ass here in finicky Purple Ohio. They would make a great pairing.

But I also like Kamala Harris as a presidential candidate. So how about a Kamala/Beto ticket?

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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:07:00pm

re: #333 Patricia Kayden

Unfortunately, Republicans have made it clear that they have no intentions of doing ANYTHING to stop gun violence. Guns above people.

Because guns (and dead people) don’t vote…and those who own guns (especially those who own lots of guns) tend to vote Republican.

A feature, not a bug.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:07:43pm

re: #336 Patricia Kayden

I wish Greens and other third party candidates would stop running in these tight races.

FTFY

I have nothing against third parties and single-issue parties, per se. What I have an issue with is their wrong-headed persistence in fucking up our elections. A proper third party would take a long time and a lot of money to develop, but the right way to do it is not to keep throwing candidates into elections with no realistic chance.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:07:57pm

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

Mmmm. Looks like the little graphic logo I did for you.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:08:27pm

re: #337 ObserverArt

And Sherrod Brown does kick ass here in finicky Purple Ohio. They would make a great pairing.

But I also like Kamala Harris as a presidential candidate. So how about a Kamala/Beto ticket?

All sounds good to me. And yeah I really like Sherrod. He’s able to communicate on working class issues without being a dismissive dick like someone in Vermont.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:08:30pm

Speaking of Sinema’s ~2000 vote lead, now (almost)

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Archangelus  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:10:06pm

re: #336 Patricia Kayden

I wish Greens and other third party candidates would stop running in these tight races.

I’m pretty certain by now that it’s deliberate. After all, as has been stated before…

The Democratic party really should start investing money for billboards and ads with this in every state where there’s a Green candidate running in the future.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:10:54pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:11:30pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:12:28pm

re: #311 retired cynic

I just heard Tim Ryan interviewed on NPR and he may be on our D side, but what an ass. Nancy Pelosi is the only leader he is fussed about. His claim is that if “we don’t let young new members vote against her when they ran on that, we are hurting them with their constituents.” So let those vote against her, if they want to be that ignorant. Good grief.

Tim is from that crazy rough Northeast corner of Ohio…Youngstown, Warren. He has been bitching about Pelosi for years. I hope Sherrod Brown tells him to shut the fuck up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:12:39pm

I think for Thanksgiving, skip the turkey & sweet potatoes AND JUST HAVE PIE.

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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:12:44pm

re: #339 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

FTFY

I have nothing against third parties and single-issue parties, per se. What I have an issue with is their wrong-headed persistence in fucking up our elections. A proper third party would take a long time and a lot of money to develop, but the right way to do it is not to keep throwing candidates into elections with no realistic chance.

I don’t think that many of those third-partiers are really interested in “the right way”, they know they’re spoilers in any major race they’re in and that they tend to wreck the Democrats much more than they do the Republicans.

They’re bombthrowers and they revel in it…fuck them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:12:54pm

re: #229 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ugh. Dude.

Up here, we’re getting snow and bitter cold (20 degrees F / -6 degrees C). A couple of years ago, Mrs. Fish got stranded at the bottom of the big hill in town because her car didn’t have enough weight in the back end or tread on the tires to make traction on the ice. Some gracious soul picked her and the kids up half a mile from the house and took her home until I could come down and help her get the car from the gas station back home. Which reminds me, at some point this weekend I need to rotate her tires so that the new ones are on the back.

Interestingly, my wife is looking into Americorps for work in St. Paul. (I’ll need a bigger snow shovel.) It seems they want people to teach computer literacy, basic and advanced, and that’s right up her alley.

Americorp’s stipend is pretty low though (meaning you have to have some sort of independent income). I guess that would be my VA disability.

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BeachDem  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:13:12pm

re: #279 KGxvi

I’m pretty much a Hamiltonian through and through. Jefferson was wrong about almost everything. Hamilton was much younger than the rest of the Founders, if I remember correctly, and unlike the rest was self-made - an immigrant born to an unwed mother.

How does a bastard, orphan, son of a whore and a
Scotsman, dropped in the middle of a forgotten
Spot in the Caribbean by providence, impoverished, in squalor
Grow up to be a hero and a scholar?

The ten-dollar Founding Father without a father
Got a lot farther by working a lot harder
By being a lot smarter
By being a self-starter

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:13:30pm

re: #273 Interesting Times

I’m embarrassed that Kim marriage-certificate-denier Davis is the only one I recognize, though - who are the others?

Kentucky House winners, at least two of them are teachers

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:13:54pm

re: #346 ObserverArt

Tim is from that crazy rough Northeast corner of Ohio…Youngstown, Warren. He has been bitching about Pelosi for years. I hope Sherrod Brown tells him to shut the fuck up.

Trafficant’s old turf. My grandfather’s aunt settled there after they left Johnstown. Don’t know why they left but I always remember him mentioning that he had an aunt in Girard.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:14:23pm

re: #299 ObserverArt

How long before Trump says: “The elections are rigged and the Democrats are trying to steal some extra seats. They should be counted by Tuesday midnight and not a day longer or they don’t get counted, it’s the people’s fault for being late!!!”

Yeah learn a thing or two Mr prez

Doesn’t work like that.
Never did

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Archangelus  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:14:28pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

I think for Thanksgiving, skip the turkey & sweet potatoes AND JUST HAVE PIE.

Well it would be the diet-friendly choice… /

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:15:19pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:15:44pm

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

Yum!

Mind you, there’s something to be said for things that taste much better than they look. For example, The Older Boy had bought about 5 x 2# packages of frozen “easy peel’ shrimp, and when you have a lot of shrimp, you can try things beyond just steamed shrimp or Cajun barbecue shrimp. SO I made Shrimp Etoufee, which ends up looking like shrimp in brown gravy, but left the family practically licking out the pan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:16:30pm

re: #355 gocart mozart

These are the same people who didn’t care when Gianforte bodyslammed that reporter or when Lewondowski got physical with one either. Even Ben Shapiro wasn’t going for this shit which says a lot because he loves a fake outrage.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:17:07pm

One other thing about Tim Ryan, he may be playing to his area of Ohio.

Hating on Pelosi might help him keep his seat. Let’s wait and see how vocal he really is. I’m thinking he may putting on a show, just like he did back when Clinton lost.

Like I just said he is in a part of Ohio that has some of the same issues as the part of Pennsylvania that is just across the Ohio state line. It’s tough up there.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:18:09pm
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MsJ  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:20:05pm

re: #325 TedStriker

If this were any other civilized country, the NRA may very well be classed as a terrorist organization.

So would the GOP.

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:20:58pm

re: #358 ObserverArt

Like I just said he is in a part of Ohio that has some of the same issues as the part of Pennsylvania that is just across the Ohio state line. It’s tough up there.

The scariest assertion from that twitter thread I showed you was that Ohio was going the way of Missouri and Indiana. Are there enough people in the urban areas to stave that off? Is there any way Dems could break through in the rural areas?

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:22:16pm

re: #337 ObserverArt

And Sherrod Brown does kick ass here in finicky Purple Ohio. They would make a great pairing.

But I also like Kamala Harris as a presidential candidate. So how about a Kamala/Beto ticket?

I hate saying this, especially as a woman, there are too many men who won’t vote for a woman.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:22:35pm

re: #361 Interesting Times

The scariest assertion from that twitter thread I showed you was that Ohio was going the way of Missouri and Indiana. Are there enough people in the urban areas to stave that off? Is there any way Dems could break through in the rural areas?

I don’t think Ohio’s going way of Missouri and Indiana. Brown did too well two nights ago. I think at worst it becomes a Republican lean state. Indiana’s always been Republican exempting the 2008 Obama shocker. Missouri I grant you has increasingly become Republican since Bill Clinton left office.

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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:24:07pm

re: #360 MsJ

So would the GOP.

True, true…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:24:29pm

re: #362 MsJ

I hate saying this, especially as a woman, there are too many men who won’t vote for a woman.

More people voted for Hillary Clinton than voted for Donald Trump.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:25:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:26:04pm

re: #365 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

More people voted for Hillary Clinton than voted for Donald Trump.

Despite being the most hated candidate ever. //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:26:31pm

On every article or tweet about an ongoing count in a county or state where it’s close and the GOP candidate’s numbers are dropping, some jasper always pops up and says “How come the late votes are always more Democratic? Seems suspicious”.

It’s because it takes 30 seconds to count the in-person votes from the 5 toothless goobers in Bumfuck Springs, but a lot MORE time to collect mail in ballots that MAY STILL BE ARRIVING, to do signature matches and then to count them.

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:26:32pm

re: #365 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

More people voted for Hillary Clinton than voted for Donald Trump.

And she lost.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:26:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:26:48pm

re: #366 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Bernie’s a jackass.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:27:50pm

re: #369 MsJ

And she lost.

That’s true, I’m just saying that the argument that “men won’t vote for a woman” seems to slowly be dying out. She didn’t win, but there are a lot of women at the Senatorial and Congressional levels who did on Tuesday, and Clinton should have won were it not for Russian fuckery and a few swing voters who likely wouldn’t have voted for a Democrat if he was the second coming of White American Jesus.

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:27:55pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:28:21pm

Matt Bors returns from Twitter Suspension

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:29:12pm

re: #372 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s true, I’m just saying that the argument that “men won’t vote for a woman” seems to slowly be dying out. She didn’t win, but there are a lot of women at the Senatorial and Congressional levels who did on Tuesday, and Clinton should have won were it not for Russian fuckery and a few swing voters who likely wouldn’t have voted for a Democrat if he was the second coming of White American Jesus.

Slowly. And a lot of young men still think that way. Incels, disaffected, uneducated.

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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:30:07pm

re: #362 MsJ

I hate saying this, especially as a woman, there are too many men who won’t vote for a woman.

As we’ve seen with Hillary, a woman at the top of the ticket is still just a bridge too far for enough men (and some women) that it still matters, even though it really shouldn’t. Hell, if Harris or another woman were the VP pick on a near-future Dem ticket, I’m sure that would still cause problems.

It’s fucking bullshit, but we still have a lot of work to do to get to the point where it’s not even a question to elect a qualified female American president.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:30:33pm

re: #375 MsJ

Slowly. And a lot of young men still think that way. Incels, disaffected, uneducated.

All I’m saying is that I don’t think we’re as far away from a woman President as I did two years ago. I’m not disagreeing that it still seems to be a net negative, but the trend is in the right direction.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:30:39pm

There’s some truth to what’s being said about sexism. However, the next Dem nominee won’t have decades of ingrained hatred against them like HRC did and they hopefully won’t have a former rival like Bernie who is a shitty ally.

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BeachDem  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:30:48pm

re: #311 retired cynic

I just heard Tim Ryan interviewed on NPR and he may be on our D side, but what an ass. Nancy Pelosi is the only leader he is fussed about. His claim is that if “we don’t let young new members vote against her when they ran on that, we are hurting them with their constituents.” So let those vote against her, if they want to be that ignorant. Good grief.

Ryan and Merkley were both at our state convention. I just loved Merkley and thought Ryan was a bit of an ass—but then, Nina Turner was also there (ugh) so it was all a matter of degrees.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:31:10pm

re: #370 gocart mozart
I love Captain Disillusion

Great Youtube video debunking channel. Oh and he is funny.
example:

Quick D: Wall Walking

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:31:26pm

re: #379 BeachDem

Ryan and Merkley were both at our state convention. I just loved Merkley and thought Ryan was a bit of an ass—but then, Nina Turner was also there (ugh) so it was all a matter of degrees.

I like Merkley. Don’t know how he’d be as President or VP though.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:31:29pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

I think for Thanksgiving, skip the turkey & sweet potatoes AND JUST HAVE PIE.

Desserts first!!
Been campaigning for years
Can’t my mom to go along with it

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:31:51pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

All sounds good to me. And yeah I really like Sherrod. He’s able to communicate on working class issues without being a dismissive dick like someone in Vermont.

That’s because unlike Sanders, Sherrod grew up in Mansfield Ohio just like I did. He would know rust belt depression, slow economy, race issues…the whole thing that Bernie talks about but never had to experience.

At one time Mansfield had the largest Westinghouse manufacturing plant outside Pittsburgh. We had Tappan Appliances, Mansfield Tire, Martin Steele (farm silos, etc.) Empire Reeves Steel (feeding Tappan, Westinghouse), Fisher Body, Borg Warner Plumbing Fixtures, GM Fisher Body (GM car body panels), Ohio Brass Products (brass casting) and two huge industrial pump manufacturers, Gorman Rupp and Peabody Barnes.

And we had Isaly’s Ice Cream!!!

All of that was in a city of about 75,000 people around 1960.

Much gone by 1975.

Just like Chrissy Hynde sang about Akron…My City Was Gone!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:32:08pm

re: #373 MsJ

@MichelleObama accuses Trump of using body language to “stalk” Hillary Clinton during an election debate.

It’s not an accusation. Millions of people watched him stomp around and sneak up behind her and breathe down her neck while she was speaking. Millions of people heard him shout ISN’T SHE A NASTY WOMAN! while Clinton was explaining in detail her plan for keeping Social Security and Medicare.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:32:43pm

re: #383 ObserverArt

That’s because unlike Sanders, Sherrod grew up in Mansfield Ohio just like I did. He would know rust belt depression, slow economy, race issues…the whole thing that Bernie talks about but never had to experience.

At one time Mansfield had the largest Westinghouse manufacturing plant outside Pittsburgh. We had Tappan Appliances, Mansfield Tire, Martin Steele (farm silos, etc.) Empire Reeves Steel (feeding Tappan, Westinghouse, Fisher Body, Borg Warner Plumbing Fixtures, GM Fisher Body (GM car body panels), Ohio Brass Products (brass casting) and two huge industrial pump manufacturers, Gorman Rupp and Peabody Barnes.

And we had Isaly’s Ice Cream!!!

All of that was in a city of about 75,000 people around 1960.

Much gone by 1975.

Just like Chrissy Hynde sang about Akron…My City Was Gone!

Bernie’s from Brooklyn remember that. But you’re right about the Rust Belt thign too.

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stpaulbear  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:33:18pm

re: #349 Anymouse 🌹

Interestingly, my wife is looking into Americorps for work in St. Paul. (I’ll need a bigger snow shovel.) It seems they want people to teach computer literacy, basic and advanced, and that’s right up her alley.

Americorp’s stipend is pretty low though (meaning you have to have some sort of independent income). I guess that would be my VA disability.

Good luck with that! Bring Warm Clothes.

Cost of housing has gotten a lot more expensive over the last dozen years, especially for rental housing (still some affordable houses for sale). Your smart car should get you around fine except for maybe 4-5 days per winter. Roads are cleared pretty quickly Public transit is passable but expensive.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:34:34pm

re: #236 Interesting Times

Paging Backwoods_Sleuth:

Boss Kim’s photo is the only one that is a mugshot.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:38:37pm

re: #361 Interesting Times

The scariest assertion from that twitter thread I showed you was that Ohio was going the way of Missouri and Indiana. Are there enough people in the urban areas to stave that off? Is there any way Dems could break through in the rural areas?

Healthcare. Welfare. Social Security.

Those rural folks are needing all that, and they really need to be brought to (again) understand who designed those programs, who implemented them and who is really protecting them.

And keep it simple and to the point and pound on the lying Republicans that somehow those folks fall for every damn time.

And conservative radio and Fox TV need to be beat down. That shit is real toxic in Ohio.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:38:42pm

re: #366 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Of course it’s bad analysis. Bernie has a blind spot when it comes to race, and it’s never been more glaring that with that quote

I think it’s time to stop giving Bernie a pass over and over again

Call it the way you would for anyone else

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:38:51pm

re: #386 stpaulbear

Good luck with that! Bring Warm Clothes.

Cost of housing has gotten a lot more expensive over the last dozen years, especially for rental housing (still some affordable houses for sale). Your smart car should get you around fine except for maybe 4-5 days per winter. Roads are cleared pretty quickly Public transit is passable but expensive.

Public transit is expensive? That’s actually news to me. I never really traveled much on the bus, though. I guess that’s why the light rail is so ridiculously cheap - they’re probably trying to push everybody onto it. The only time commuting in any kind of car is a problem is if it snows during rush hour, or if it’s snow followed by -25 degrees F cold.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:39:55pm

re: #389 dangerman

I think it’s time to stop giving Bernie a pass over and over again

Call it the way you would for anyone else

I agree. It’s not a blindspot. It’s fucking indifference

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:40:55pm

re: #389 dangerman

I think it’s time to stop giving Bernie a pass over and over again

Call it the way you would for anyone else

But he was in that civil rights march 55 years ago!
///

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:41:23pm

re: #392 Blind Frog Belly White

But he was in that civil rights march 55 years ago!
///

He’s friends with Cornel West! //

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:41:29pm

re: #328 Kilroy was here

Here in Texas, there were more total votes cast in the Senate race than there were when Cruz ran in 2012, a presidential election year.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:42:02pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Bernie’s from Brooklyn remember that. But you’re right about the Rust Belt thign too.

I know. That is nothing like the rust belt.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:43:25pm

re: #395 ObserverArt

I know. That is nothing like the rust belt.

Right. I was just pointing out he didn’t grow up in Vermont. He grew up in a diverse area. You are right though that it’s a different animal than the Rust Belt just like my grandmother’s cousins who grew up in NYC ahd a different experience than Grandma.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:43:51pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

We all have different preferences to style. For me here’s why I like him. I like that he was unashamed to be a staunch progressive Dem in Texas. I like that he’s been vocal on two issues I find important: criminal justice and immigration and I like that he was willing to campaign everywhere he could too but I understand where you’re coming from too and as I said we each have our own preferences.

What I liked about his campaign style was the fact he made a point of going to every single county in Texas. That’s a real feat. It also showed he wanted to bring everyone in the state his message, regardless of how the area leaned R or D.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:44:28pm

re: #395 ObserverArt

I know. That is nothing like the rust belt.

Well, it’s cold in the winter. So, there’s that.

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jeffreyw  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:47:09pm

re: #356 Blind Frog Belly White

Yum!

Mind you, there’s something to be said for things that taste much better than they look. For example, The Older Boy had bought about 5 x 2# packages of frozen “easy peel’ shrimp, and when you have a lot of shrimp, you can try things beyond just steamed shrimp or Cajun barbecue shrimp. SO I made Shrimp Etoufee, which ends up looking like shrimp in brown gravy, but left the family practically licking out the pan.

Imgur

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2018 • 5:47:22pm

re: #397 Anymouse 🌹

What I liked about his campaign style was the fact he made a point of going to every single county in Texas. That’s a real feat. It also showed he wanted to bring everyone in the state his message, regardless of how the area leaned R or D.

Exactly. That was great. I get that not every candidate can do that but that was awesome.

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2018 • 6:04:35pm

re: #389 dangerman

I think it’s time to stop giving Bernie a pass over and over again

Call it the way you would for anyone else

There is a reason he moved from a multicultural major city to a blindingly white rural state. It is not a blind spot - he’s just as racist as Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2018 • 6:16:14pm

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

You’re adopted.

In the few times I’ve tried to make a lattice crust, I always foul it up, breaking the pieces, &c. I have no idea how to do it properly.


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