A Perfect Circle - So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish [VIDEO]

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:15:09pm

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:22:49pm

Together they may constitute one brain.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:26:06pm

re: #2 wheat-dogg

Together they may constitute one brain.

Did someone do the barrel of Anal Lube thing again?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:29:04pm

re: #2 wheat-dogg

Together they may constitute one brain.

How the heck are we supposed to have a democracy if there are so many people who want to undermine it for money? Conservatism isn’t just a religion, it also appears to be a sickness. “Win at all cost” seems to include lie, cheat, and even destroy that which you claim you want to win.

Conspiracies about how ballots are somehow magically counted as soon as votes are cast, claims a ballot box was found in a rental car, &c.

I honestly don’t know how to fix it. You can’t reason someone out of a position they reasoned themselves into, even if the information given them for that reason was bad.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:30:54pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

This is the end result of the deification of Ayn Rand and her narcissistic selfish philosophy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:31:17pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

More …

If I lose my reëlection, I am not going to start screaming “voter fraud” or some other such nonsense, despite the delay in publishing the returns.

I will dust myself off, decide if I want to run in the next election (or for a different office, such as county commission) or no. I just don’t get all the conspiracy mongering.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:33:04pm

This Ali guy really burns me, because if the GOP really goes the way Trump and his minions want, black folk like Ali Alexander would be second-class — or worse — citizens. But he doesn’t see that, and more than Candace O or Cubic Zirconium and Burlap do.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:35:30pm

re: #7 wheat-dogg

This Ali guy really burns me, because if the GOP really goes the way Trump and his minions want, black folk like Ali Alexander would be second-class — or worse — citizens. But he doesn’t see that, and more than Candace O or Cubic Zirconium and Burlap do.

He’s one of the delusional Diamond and Silk/Milo/Loomer/Steven Miller types who think that as long as they suck up to the GOP they’ll be immune from the mobs. They will get a very rude awakening if the Radical Republicans get their racist agenda implemented.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:39:39pm

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s one of the delusional Diamond and Silk/Milo/Loomer/Steven Miller types who think that as long as they suck up to the GOP they’ll be immune from the mobs. They will get a very rude awakening if the Radical Republicans get their racist agenda implemented.

They’re kind of like the Log Cabin Republicans in a way. They think they have some sort of power within the party (or they can change it’s direction). That is not the case. The party is not going to change to accommodate any of them.

Milo at least can get on a plane and go back to the UK (while we’re at it, what is he doing with that O-1 visa he’s on here anyway - perhaps taking that away and shipping him home would be helpful).

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:41:26pm

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s one of the delusional Diamond and Silk/Milo/Loomer/Steven Miller types who think that as long as they suck up to the GOP they’ll be immune from the mobs. They will get a very rude awakening if the Radical Republicans get their racist agenda implemented.

Loomer is just plain nuts. D&S, Ali and Milo are in it for the money and attention. Miller is the only true believer in a Fourth Reich, despite his family’s background. He’s just blind.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:46:17pm

Our friends in France reportedly stymied the the lunch meeting Trump and Putin said they would have.

rawstory.com

They changed the seating arrangement at lunch, putting Putin and Trump on opposite sides of a wide table. Raw Story also reports that the French asked both leaders not to have their little tête-à-tête during the Remembrance Day activities.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:47:47pm
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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:51:51pm

re: #10 wheat-dogg

Loomer is just plain nuts. D&S, Ali and Milo are in it for the money and attention. Miller is the only true believer in a Fourth Reich, despite his family’s background. He’s just blind.

Hush now—Laura’s “doing journalism” according to Ali. And there’s DANGER! They might have to hire security. (Here comes more grifting.) I swear, they think they’re in a James Bond movie, and instead, it’s a Loony Toons short.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:54:44pm

re: #13 BeachDem

Hush now—Laura’s “doing journalism” according to Ali. And there’s DANGER! They might have to hire security. (Here comes more grifting.) I swear, they think they’re in a James Bond movie, and instead, it’s a Loony Toons short.

With no Bugs Bunny to increase the intelligence level.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:55:16pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Chuck Schumer

@SenSchumer
What @realDonaldTrump’s afraid of:
1. Putin
2. Mueller
3. Rain

The President cancelled his visit to an American cemetery in France to mark 100 years since WWI. Even if the helicopters couldn’t fly, he could’ve driven. He must just be afraid of a little rain.

68.5K
7:21 PM - Nov 10, 2018

Sometimes Schumer isn’t a disappointment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 10:59:45pm

A powerful story castigating Donald Trump for cruel exploitation to further his xenophobic agenda.

My Wife Was Murdered By an Undocumented Immigrant—But I’m frustrated that Trump exploits stories like ours (Goes to Medium, more at the link, by Andy Ostroy):

Let me be clear about a few things: I love my country and would do anything to defend and protect it. I am not for open borders. I advocate for strong border security. I believe immigrants should enter our country legally and that undocumented criminals should be deported.

And let me be even clearer about this: I hate Adrienne’s killer. I hate him for what he did to her. For so brutally extinguishing the life of a kind, beautiful soul. I hate him for robbing our daughter, now almost 15, of the adoring mother who loved her more than anything. I hate that my older children live life without the amazing stepmother they loved so dearly. And I hate him for taking Adrienne away from her own adoring mother and the brothers who no longer have their incredible sister.

But I also hate what Donald Trump has done to America in exploiting murders like Adrienne’s to summarily demonize and scapegoat an entire segment of our population because, for political purposes, he’s compelled to tear the nation apart and turn us against each other. I hate how he’s broad-stroked immigrants, who in desperation seek to cross our borders for a better, safer life, as gang members, thugs, and murderers—a reprehensibly false charge not supported by statistics. The truth is, Americans have more to fear from their fellow citizens than from undocumented immigrants.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:09:43pm

I’m off to bed. Y’all be safe out there in California.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:15:49pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:16:28pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:17:34pm

ThisIsFine.gif

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:20:02pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Reverse lookup returns a number assigned to Asherton, TX.

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William Lewis  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:27:50pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Frank. The word is politics. This is just a move in the match that I have more trust in her winning than any other Democrat in the House. Chill a bit and let her give them enough rope.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:28:08pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Same harassment of minorities, new tech is all.

Klan hoods with VOIP and telephone number spoofing for a text message.

There is something to be said about not being able to receive texts at least.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:35:30pm

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

The recipient of the text assumes someone bought a list of phone numbers. Another person in that thread also received a similar message.

It is also possible that someone is simply using a XXI Century version of the good ol’ war dialer, sending messages to every possible telephone number in a central office exchange (the idea that people tend to clump in certain areas).

A good example is the robo-calls we get here on landlines trying to sell things like Medicare supplemental insurance. Everyone in town gets them, and the callers spoof the telephone numbers in our central office.

What they don’t know is that there are so few telephones in our township (we occupy one page of the telephone book) that the numbers they spoof are mostly unassigned numbers (so most people here know when not to answer a call if they have caller id).

Business and government in our township is xxx-0xxx, and homes are xxx-9xxx. Any other combination (1-8) is a faked number.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:47:05pm

The HQ2 Scam: How Amazon Used a Bidding War to Scrape Cities’ Data (Goes to In These Times):

But the biggest suckers on HQ2 aren’t New York and Virginia; it’s the other 236 cities that bid on a headquarters they were never going to get. Those bids didn’t just include the size of the bribe; they included a wealth of important data about plans for transportation, housing, education and workforce development. Amazon now has a treasure trove of non-public information about America’s future, in addition to knowing how much cash cities are willing to part with to land an Amazon facility. And it got all that, along with a giant PR benefit from the bidding war, for free.

If you knew a city was going to build a road in a particular place, you could make a lot of money buying up the real estate there. Imagine that on a national scale and you can see how Amazon will grow far wealthier from the data it collected than even the raw dollars extracted from HQ2’s big winners. In fact, this was the real reason Amazon orchestrated the whole charade.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 11, 2018 • 11:57:04pm

We have been harboring two refugees from the Camp Fire and their pets since Friday. One family home was in a safe area and the other was saved by a family member that refused to evacuate. He had been preparing the property for years and it paid off. They haven’t been allowed back into Paradise and the air quality in Chico was too bad so they are stuck down here in the Bay Area.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 12:03:11am

re: #26 Single-handed sailor

We have been harboring two refugees from the Camp Fire and their pets since Friday. One family home was in a safe area and the other was saved by a family member that refused to evacuate. He had been preparing the property for years and it paid off. They haven’t been allowed back into Paradise and the air quality in Chico was too bad so they are stuck down here in the Bay Area.

Good on you for stepping up. That sort of selfless help to those in need is something sorely lacking in our society today.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 12, 2018 • 12:20:23am
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 12:24:21am
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 12, 2018 • 12:26:19am
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 12:48:16am

Woolsey Fire burn area just shy of 100K acres with the Red Flag warning projected to last until sundown on Tuesday.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 12:57:58am

Crank magnetism personified. This one is a fucking smorgasbord of crypto coin mania, Agenda21, directed energy weapons, and the antisemitic Rothschild conspiracy theory.

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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2018 • 1:14:15am

So there’s an orbital doomsday weapon capable of put down enough power through the atmosphere to set off raging wildfires, yet totally impossible to detect which is why no government agency on any continent is raising a red flag as to its existence.

Remember when they just stuck to crazy babbling about controlled demolitions?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 12, 2018 • 1:28:19am
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Nov 12, 2018 • 1:44:41am

What crossed my mind when I heard on ABC radio that the world leaders were holding their meeting and Fuckface Von Clownstick walked in, followed a bit later by Putin:

It reminded me of back in the partying days when you would have been at the party for some time and later see some chick come stumbling in and a few minutes later some dude does the same. While they don’t want anyone to know what they were up to, everyone knows that they were out in the back of a car banging their brains out a few minutes earlier.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2018 • 1:45:24am
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Nov 12, 2018 • 2:08:53am

re: #37 teleskiguy

I think this is great for everyone but Fox so I hope they keep a cork in it. Maybe they ought to open a GAB account instead.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2018 • 2:09:22am
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Danack  Nov 12, 2018 • 2:47:17am

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

“Win at all cost” seems to include lie, cheat, and even destroy that which you claim you want to win.

You need to make it more ‘expensive’ for people to behave badly.

The win-at-all-costs and the paranoid style of American politics have been present for a very long time.

I think the key change that occurred is that the Democratic party didn’t ‘punish’ the Republicans enough during Watergate, or even more egregiously, after the Iran-Contra gun deals.

Both of these should have been used to punish the Republicans for a generation. Instead the Republicans managed to sweep those instances under the carpet so that since then the Republican party has been viewed as the party of law and order, and the party that’s good at national defense, even though Nixon got tens of thousands of soldiers killed by prolonging the war, and Oliver North was a drug dealer that trafficked in arms.

Because the Republicans have seen that there is very little downside is being terrible, terrible humans, they have learnt to push as far as they can, because why not? The only way to deter this behaviour is to punish it, to make it be a less desirable strategy to follow.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 12, 2018 • 2:55:05am

re: #40 Danack

You need to make it more ‘expensive’ for people to behave badly.

The win-at-all-costs and the paranoid style of American politics have been present for a very long time.

I think the key change that occurred is that the Democratic party didn’t ‘punish’ the Republicans enough during Watergate, or even more egregiously, after the Iran-Contra gun deals.

Both of these should have been used to punish the Republicans for a generation. Instead the Republicans managed to sweep those instances under the carpet so that since then the Republican party has been viewed as the party of law and order, and the party that’s good at national defense, even though Nixon got tens of thousands of soldiers killed by prolonging the war, and Oliver North was a drug dealer that trafficked in arms.

Because the Republicans have seen that there is very little downside is being terrible, terrible humans, they have learnt to push as far as they can, because why not? The only way to deter this behaviour is to punish it, to make it be a less desirable strategy to follow.

“Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent.”
This really goes all the way back to the aftermath of the Civil War and the failure to deal with the rebels by the accepted standards of the time.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 12, 2018 • 3:05:50am
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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2018 • 3:07:37am

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the innocent.”
This really goes all the way back to the aftermath of the Civil War and the failure to deal with the rebels by the accepted standards of the time.

This. The Confederates should have been able to look at the Jacobites and thought they’d had it easy.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2018 • 3:19:24am

re: #34 Targetpractice

So there’s an orbital doomsday weapon capable of put down enough power through the atmosphere to set off raging wildfires, yet totally impossible to detect which is why no government agency on any continent is raising a red flag as to its existence.

Remember when they just stuck to crazy babbling about controlled demolitions?

According to the conspiracy nuts, it seems the Death Star is in orbit around the Earth.

JFC, I don’t want to live on this planet anymore. It’s “The Marching Morons” come to life.

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Scout  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:16:33am

I’d been feeling relatively upbeat about last week’s election, until I read this, from Vox:

Washington votes no on a carbon tax — again

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:23:54am

Takin’ a shit, getting the bronzer, the spray volumizer, and the careful hair placement ready to go. Oh, and trying to shake down nation states like he’s a fuckin’ loanshark.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:26:15am

re: #46 teleskiguy

That’s a lot of words just to say “I’m a fucking idiot.”

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:38:27am

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

Trump doesn’t care about mass shootings unless it involves an illegal immigrant, minority, or Muslim as the shooter. Then he tweets endlessly.

White guys radicalized in the Church of Trump? Naw, those are lone wolves and they’ve got PTSD or other mental problems, for which we can’t and wont do anything.

Illegal aliens aren’t the nation’s problem. But it’s the one that the white nationalists and xenophobes and nativists want dealt with because they think it means they’ll have more jobs or job security (at a time when unemployment is already low and illegals are doing the jobs that Americans aren’t doing - like crop work, restaurant back-end work, etc.).

Trump wants to end legal immigration for those who seek asylum. He wants to ignore federal law, international law, etc. to further his white nationalist agenda.

Meanwhile, his foreign policy isn’t looking too hot either - not with his mess in France and now word that his North Korean dalliance shows he’s getting played (telling us what we already surmised):

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:40:37am

Just cleaned out my ash catcher on my pellet stove. *cough cough*

It’s been cold in the Colorado Rockies at night, currently 14° F.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:47:33am

Fuckin’ dumb fuck.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:51:02am

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

I didn’t know you had run for anything. Good for you!! Proud of you for putting yourself in the ring whether you win or lose. You can always run again.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:51:32am

re: #50 teleskiguy

He’s trying to manipulate the outcome of an election while the count and recount are ongoing.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2018 • 4:52:46am

re: #50 teleskiguy

Yeah I’m sure Trump is being objective and would say the same thing if Gillum and Nelson had been declared winners on election night. /s

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jeffreyw  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:02:09am

Imgur


Good morning!

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:02:41am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:12:36am

Not the Same

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:19:41am
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Targetpractice  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:25:31am

re: #57 Patricia Kayden

[Embedded content]

We’ve been here enough times to know that when conservatives start talking “bipartisan,” what they’re really saying is “Elections don’t matter, agree to our terms or nothing gets done.”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:38:12am
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steve_davis  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:51:09am

re: #21 wheat-dogg

Reverse lookup returns a number assigned to Asherton, TX.

be careful. whoever is doing it is probably spoofing some poor son of a bitch’s number.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:55:29am

re: #60 steve_davis

be careful. whoever is doing it is probably spoofing some poor son of a bitch’s number.

I’m not likely to call it from here in China, even if I were inclined to.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2018 • 5:57:25am

re: #58 Targetpractice

Actually, given that Democrats are in the opposition and don’t have any control except for the House, I’m okay with nothing getting done to promote Trump’s agenda for the next two years. That works for me.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:14:28am

Not a good day to be named trump.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:16:14am

Food for thought, literally

As outlandish as playing Led Zeppelin to wheels of Emmental may sound, there is actually a scientific field that’s devoted to the study of the effects of sound waves on liquid solutions — like developing cheese — known as sonochemistry.

[…]

“At first we were skeptical,” said Michael Harenberg, the university’s music director. “Then we discovered there is a field called sonochemistry that looks at the influences of sound waves, the effect of sound on solid bodies.”

Harenberg continues that the focus of the study is to answer two questions: “In the end, is there anything measurable? Or something that has an effect on the taste?” In other words, can music actually change the way a cheese tastes?

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:19:22am
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BigPapa  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:20:11am

shithole ballets

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:21:22am

re: #66 BigPapa

shithole ballets

Sacre du WC?

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:22:15am
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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:30:21am
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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:32:42am

This entire thread is kind of depressing. Ohio is entrenched to the point of write-off territory for at least another 10 years it seems like. It’s a miracle someone like Sherrod Brown managed to win there it feels like. Especially how much the state seems to adore Portman too.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:38:36am

re: #70 Citizen K

Gerrymandered districts are a problem nationwide, and Ohio is just the latest state where this is visible.

How to resolve? It starts with winning back the state legislatures, who are usually responsible for drawing the districts.

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:41:23am

re: #71 lawhawk

Gerrymandered districts are a problem nationwide, and Ohio is just the latest state where this is visible.

How to resolve? It starts with winning back the state legislatures, who are usually responsible for drawing the districts.

Yeah, but there seemed to be movement away in several states, with other states getting bipartisan redistricting committees, court rulings slapping things down in states like NC, and the like. Ohio seems like it’s not only staying pat but bound to get even more deeply entrenched come 2020. Even moreso a problem considering Ohio is, or at least, considered a ‘swing state’, and getting less and less swing-ier by the election, it seems. It just seems to be getting redder and redder.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:42:28am

re: #13 BeachDem

Hush now—Laura’s “doing journalism” according to Ali. And there’s DANGER! They might have to hire security. (Here comes more grifting.) I swear, they think they’re in a James Bond movie, and instead, it’s a Loony Toons short.

Loomer Toons!

Morning!

I mentioned yesterday I was listening to Cleveland Browns football on radio. Sadly it is on a wingnut station 98.9 The Answer. (Just in case you want to see the wingnut lineup)

This morning I was making some green tea and had left that station on and when I flipped the radio on good ol’ Hugh Hewitt was on. I happened to get his string of nutty commercials. Emu Oil!!!

Anyway, before I turned that crap off, I heard Hugh warn that a bunch of Democratic progressives held a meeting in New York over the weekend discussing single payer and they want to take away your Medicare. No they won’t!!! We won’t let them take away your Medicare!!!

I guess it must always be like that. I am not good at wingnut radio. But I would ask Hugh why Mitch and Paulie said the deficits are going to bring cuts to entitlements?

Seems to be a lot of bullshit floating around the Republicans these days regarding Healthcare Insurance. I think the safe thing is to not believe anything a Republican says…just vote the assholes out.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:44:44am

Because he is trying to steal an election.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:45:20am
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Belafon  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:46:14am

re: #55 lawhawk

He doesn’t know.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:48:24am

re: #22 William Lewis

Frank. The word is politics. This is just a move in the match that I have more trust in her winning than any other Democrat in the House. Chill a bit and let her give them enough rope.

I agree. She is just continuing the politics of this last election where the real watch words were bipartisan, working with both sides, and independent.

That crap plays because that is what the media goes to by default.

She can say one thing and then get as tough as she needs to be.

If she leans too far left, the media will attack her before she even gets rolling. The real work will be done in the House chambers, not on Twitter or in the media.

And I am willing to give goddamnedfrank room…he has sure been under a lot of stress these last few days.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:58:41am

re: #54 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

The softness of the image makes for: Apparition Cat! Oh noes! I am now scared…

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2018 • 6:59:16am

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

The HQ2 Scam: How Amazon Used a Bidding War to Scrape Cities’ Data (Goes to In These Times):

(more)

Gonna throw that in the conspiracy theory bin, and I’ll tell you why: You can find out a lot of that stuff on your own. They’ve had the plans for I-90 here in DFW for over 30 years. There finally rerouting one of the streets through my neighborhood, which was in the design when I moved in 17 years ago.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:06:37am

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Has Pelosi’s attempt at finding common ground ever stopped her from doing stuff?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:09:55am

re: #80 Belafon

Has Pelosi’s attempt at finding common ground ever stopped her from doing stuff?

Her management of the ACA passage was masterful, in the face of blind intransigence. She should remain Speaker, and perhaps announce a distant retirement plan. A little stability right now might be damned useful.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:10:10am

re: #77 ObserverArt

She can say one thing and then get as tough as she needs to be.

If she leans too far left, the media will attack her before she even gets rolling. The real work will be done in the House chambers, not on Twitter or in the media.

Not to mention, while Pelosi talks about bipartisanship, Twitter is full of Democrats vowing to investigate everything from the hush money paid to Stormy Daniels and the subpoenas Nunes buried to Rohrabacher’s Kremlin ties and Whitaker’s sketchy appointment. And they want to revisit NAFTA.

Pelosi knows how this shit works, and she can speak as Speaker while everyone else gets up to speed on who’s getting called before the various committees.

House Dems will be ready on Day One, and Pelosi will be a big reason why.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:10:25am

re: #40 Danack

You need to make it more ‘expensive’ for people to behave badly.

The win-at-all-costs and the paranoid style of American politics have been present for a very long time.

I think the key change that occurred is that the Democratic party didn’t ‘punish’ the Republicans enough during Watergate, or even more egregiously, after the Iran-Contra gun deals.

Both of these should have been used to punish the Republicans for a generation. Instead the Republicans managed to sweep those instances under the carpet so that since then the Republican party has been viewed as the party of law and order, and the party that’s good at national defense, even though Nixon got tens of thousands of soldiers killed by prolonging the war, and Oliver North was a drug dealer that trafficked in arms.

Because the Republicans have seen that there is very little downside is being terrible, terrible humans, they have learnt to push as far as they can, because why not? The only way to deter this behaviour is to punish it, to make it be a less desirable strategy to follow.

Only the voters can truly punish a party. That’s why Reconstruction ended early, because the voters grew tired of it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:10:43am

re: #46 teleskiguy

Takin’ a shit, getting the bronzer, the spray volumizer, and the careful hair placement ready to go. Oh, and trying to shake down nation states like he’s a fuckin’ loanshark.

Once again, Trump doing Putin’s bidding — are we sure he didn’t meet or talk with Putin during this Paris visit? Mueller, I know you are being thorough but you are taking too long given the dire straits we are in.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:12:16am

re: #70 Citizen K

This entire thread is kind of depressing. Ohio is entrenched to the point of write-off territory for at least another 10 years it seems like. It’s a miracle someone like Sherrod Brown managed to win there it feels like. Especially how much the state seems to adore Portman too.

See that blue blob in the middle of Ohio. That would be my district (Ohio D3) with our great Rep Joyce Beatty.

Ohio managed to pass a new fairness in districts bill that calls for bipartisan representation to draw Congressional Districts in Ohio starting with the next Census.

It is not perfect in that those in control of the state politics get a big say but not totally. It does appear it may help some of the last crazy districts our Republican dominated state congress put together last Census.

And the state does not adore Portman. They tolerate him.

I think he is going to find it hard to be reelected in 2022 especially if the Dems get a better candidate than Ted Strickland, who was liked, but had been damaged by his term as Ohio Governor during the bad economics of Bush that got hung on him by Kasich.

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jeffreyw  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:13:38am

re: #78 ObserverArt

The softness of the image makes for: Apparition Cat! Oh noes! I am now scared…

These cameras typically have a fixed focus lens that doesn’t do close ups very well. That and the wide angle images that pixelate when any meaningful zoom is applied make them less than ideal for the use this camera is set up for. On the pro side: They are relatively cheap, all weather, easy to use, and go for days and weeks without needing batteries or other user inputs.

Imgur

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:13:46am

re: #84 Hecuba’s daughter

Once again, Trump doing Putin’s bidding — are we sure he didn’t meet or talk with Putin during this Paris visit? Mueller, I know you are being thorough but you are taking too long given the dire straits we are in.

Our straits are a good bit less dire than a week ago. Short-terming Trump might not be worth the price, assuming we can keep RBG off trampolines.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:15:11am

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Because he is trying to steal an election.

Of course Kemp is trying to steal an election. Didn’t they deliberately send flawed ballots to African-Americans who were trying to vote-by-mail? This is an absolute outrage, a dishonest election run by racists.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:17:13am

re: #86 jeffreyw

These cameras typically have a fixed focus lens that doesn’t do close ups very well. That and the wide angle images that pixelate when any meaningful zoom is applied make them less than ideal for the use this camera is set up for. On the pro side: They are relatively cheap, all weather, easy to use, and go for days and weeks without needing batteries or other user inputs.

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The front feet are planted, the butt and rear legs are in motion. I kinda like that long exposure to get that movement and softness.

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:17:36am

I give up

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:19:01am

re: #90 bd(soros funded)

I have a cute little potbelly bear. I rather have him.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:19:05am

re: #88 Hecuba’s daughter

Of course Kemp is trying to steal an election. Didn’t they deliberately send flawed ballots to African-Americans who were trying to vote-by-mail? This is an absolute outrage, a dishonest election run by racists.

Lizard lawyers: What does it actually take to trigger UN observers to a country with a pattern of crooked elections? Asking for a third-world friend.

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:19:58am

re: #91 PhillyPretzel

I have a cute little potbelly bear. I rather have him.

You need an Adultery Bear

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:20:24am

re: #93 bd(soros funded)

You need an Adultery Bear

with a spot for a Russian hand to go into

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:20:53am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Her management of the ACA passage was masterful, in the face of blind intransigence. She should remain Speaker, and perhaps announce a distant retirement plan. A little stability right now might be damned useful.

She was a great and effective Speaker when she was in power and a great Minority leader when out of power. She may not be the most charismatic Speaker but she got things done. We need her to stay in control to navigate through the treacherous remainder of Republican (mis)rule.

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:20:57am

re: #90 bd(soros funded)

I give up

I saw that ad constantly on TV last year. It was the one thing that made watching the Mythbuster’s marathon intolerable.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:23:41am

re: #95 Hecuba’s daughter

She was a great and effective Speaker when she was in power and a great Minority leader when out of power. She may not be the most charismatic Speaker but she got things done. We need her to stay in control to navigate through the treacherous remainder of Republican (mis)rule.

SJGSD- She just gets shit done. It’s easy to bitch about the establishment but there’s a reason why people become part of political establishments and in Nancy’s case, it’s because she’s damn good at politics in a way her detractors never want to know.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:23:52am

re: #83 Belafon

Only the voters can truly punish a party. That’s why Reconstruction ended early, because the voters grew tired of it.

Was it that the voters grew tired or was it that Republicans abandoned their interest in helping African-Americans?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:25:36am

re: #90 bd(soros funded)

I give up

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Useful gift idea. There are bad little children out there, and a sock full of coal is no longer ecologically acceptable.

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Interesting Times  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:26:21am
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Belafon  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:27:39am

So the French Army decided to mock Trump’s inability to get out in the rain: dailykos.com

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:28:34am

re: #100 Interesting Times

Make sure no one finds out who the doctor is, Hoarse. He or she could end up getting harrassed or disciplined depending on the state.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:29:30am

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

Was it that the voters grew tired or was it that Republicans abandoned their interest in helping African-Americans?

Same thing. Politicians read spreadsheets, not catechisms.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:31:34am

re: #90 bd(soros funded)

I give up

I see they added in some Q-Anon “The Storm is Coming” branding at the beginning.

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Teukka  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:32:15am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:32:15am

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

Was it that the voters grew tired or was it that Republicans abandoned their interest in helping African-Americans?

A little both of both. Read about the 1876 election. The Republicans pretty much took the short term win- getting Hayes in the WH over the long term following through on Reconstruction. I guess they figured rightly or wrongly that by 1880 when Tilden would have been up for re-election that no one would have cared about Reconstruction and the programs that went with it so they decided the short term gain of the Presidency was worth it. It’s true that the GOP dominated after the Civil War through the Depression but the 1876-1896 elections were all tight.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:36:18am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:42:03am

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

He seems nice.

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And that, kiddies, is why I haven’t spiked my guns.

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Interesting Times  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:51:14am

re: #102 Belafon

Make sure no one finds out who the doctor is, Hoarse. He or she could end up getting harrassed or disciplined depending on the state.

According to the comments, Floriduh forbids doctors from asking about guns in the home (not sure about other states). Hoarse, however, lives in New Jersey so I think his doctor’s safe.

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jeffreyw  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:51:49am

re: #100 Interesting Times

They will have to pry that cold Diet Dew from by dead hands.*

* Note: this is more a prediction than a challenge.

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darthstar  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:53:05am
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sagehen  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:53:10am

re: #84 Hecuba’s daughter

Once again, Trump doing Putin’s bidding — are we sure he didn’t meet or talk with Putin during this Paris visit? Mueller, I know you are being thorough but you are taking too long given the dire straits we are in.

When neither of them was at the commemoration… they could have met. And Trump would rather we laugh at him skipping out to protect his hair than to admit a secret meeting.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:54:13am
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bd(soros funded)  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:57:47am

re: #113 lawhawk

The President has gone mad.

What a perfectly fitting word that I never appreciated just how encompassing and explanatory it is.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 7:57:56am
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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:02:29am

Daisy….. Daisy… RIP Doug Rain..

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:03:03am

The Woolsey Fire burn area has now crossed the Los Angeles city line near West Hills & Hidden Hills.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:07:44am

re: #115 makeitstop

As an Ohioan, very familiar with Sherrod Brown, I would support him, but I kind of hope he doesn’t run. I want to keep him in Ohio as a Senator, and I fear how he will be treated by the press and the Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:09:27am

re: #115 makeitstop

I like him. He’s able to be populist without being dismissive of racism like Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:10:28am

re: #118 ObserverArt

As an Ohioan, very familiar with Sherrod Brown, I would support him, but I kind of hope he doesn’t run. I want to keep him in Ohio as a Senator, and I fear how he will be treated by the press and the Republicans.

That’s how I felt about Kaine when HRC made him her running mate. I like Sherrod. If he were to run, I’d give him a hard look.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:18:15am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

I like him. He’s able to be populist without being dismissive of racism like Bernie.

In the 2020 Primaries I will support a literal coyote with canine distemper whose campaign speeches are all about investing in Herbalife before considering Sanders.

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sagehen  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:19:43am

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

Was it that the voters grew tired or was it that Republicans abandoned their interest in helping African-Americans?

The 1876 election was a Florida clusterfuck, it really was a close call that could have gone either way, so the party bosses cut a deal that voters didn’t even hear about until well after the fact.

Tilden would abandon his challenge and let Hayes have the White House, in return for which Hayes would end reconstruction. By the time the rank and file knew anything about it, it was too late to do anything except adjust to the new status quo. Hayes didn’t need Congress’ approval to pull the troops, and the Courts didn’t care that some of the States were at best ignoring, at worst encouraging, massive amounts of Klan violence.

And Hayes could paper over any public disgruntlement by turning everyone’s attention to the War For The West… there was a lot of land to be homesteaded, a lot of attention-grabbing wild west stories going on, a lot of photogenic scenery and buffalo and Indian relocations…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:20:33am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

In the 2020 Primaries I will support a literal coyote with canine distemper whose campaign speeches are all about investing in Herbalife before considering Sanders.

To be fair the coyote has a great stump speech but yeah ditto that. Was just pointing out that Brown talks about the working class issues without dismissing PoC like Sanders repeatedly does.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:20:55am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

In the 2020 Primaries I will support a literal coyote with canine distemper whose campaign speeches are all about investing in Herbalife before considering Sanders.

Frank’s humor is still intact!

That is a damned good thing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:23:22am

How to get people freak out, get Mark Penn who hasn’t advised HRC in years to say he thinks she might run.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:24:56am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Eh…Herbalife is a dealbreaker. I mean, if the coyote just shuts up about Herbalife, I’d pick the coyote over Sanders.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:25:53am

I would support a wifi enabled fleshlight that just repeatedly screams BITCOIN in the voice of Gilbert Gottfried before considering Sanders in the next primary race.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:26:03am

re: #126 Sufficient unto the day…

Eh…Herbalife is a dealbreaker. I mean, if the coyote just shuts up about Herbalife, I’d pick the coyote over Sanders.

But the coyote was a friend of Homer Simpson’s spirit coyote!

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CongoJack  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:26:09am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

How to get people freak out get Mark Penn who hasn’t advised HRC to say he thinks she might run.

I. Hate. Mark. Penn.

He was one of the myriad of reasons in 2008 I went hard for Obama. Mark Penn is a POS. Much like Bernie’s Jeff Weaver.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:27:51am

re: #126 Sufficient unto the day…

Eh…Herbalife is a dealbreaker. I mean, if the coyote just shuts up about Herbalife, I’d pick the coyote over Sanders.

Listen, diseased pyramid scheme coyote would really shake Washington up and drain the swamp.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:29:18am

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Calling in a con-man to deal with a con-man? Hmm. It might just work.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:30:37am

re: #131 PhillyPretzel

Calling in a con-man to deal with a con-man? Hmm. It might just work.

I’ve seen a lot of coyotes around here and you never hear them unless they’re having a coyote gangbang. They’re America’s horny ninjas what’s not to like?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:31:13am

re: #129 CongoJack

I. Hate. Mark. Penn.

He was one of the myriad of reasons in 2008 I went hard for Obama. Mark Penn is a POS. Much like Bernie’s Jeff Weaver.

Exactly what I told the Bernie fan who fell for his clickbait. To her credit, she immediately conceded that it was his prediction not a guarantee that she was running but her friends lost their shit. Wish people would read the fine print.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:33:46am

The Onion eeriely predicted the GOP’s 2016 nominee after Romney lost but the rage sphere was less racist than Trump.

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:36:22am

Too perfect

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Dr. Matt  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:37:14am

Donnie looked awfully miserable this weekend….miserable like he’s aware that baaaad news is about to drop from Saint Mueller.

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darthstar  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:37:53am
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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:38:32am

So, you know what’s not happening today, that has always happened?

The president visiting Arlington on Veterans’ Day. That fat slob is blowing it off.

Pig.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:38:44am

re: #135 bd(soros funded)

That was funny. lol

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:39:48am

re: #137 darthstar

Yeah I’m that way now. Not raining at all today.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:40:26am

re: #113 lawhawk

“Presidential Harassment”? Like sending investigators to Hawaii to look into his birth certificate?

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:40:41am

re: #138 makeitstop

So, you know what’s not happening today, that has always happened?

The president visiting Arlington on Veterans’ Day. That fat slob is blowing it off.

Pig.

Good in a way. He will continue to lose support with military types.

I bet his thinking is this covers for him missing the gig in France. You know, treat everyone the same so this weekend doesn’t stand out.

He is definitely grumpy…stuff is getting to him.

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darthstar  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:40:44am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m that way now. Not raining at all today.

Post a selfie looking up at the rain and tag that fucker.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:40:47am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

In the 2020 Primaries I will support a literal coyote with canine distemper whose campaign speeches are all about investing in Herbalife before considering Sanders.

I will support any registered dem before bernie

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:40:54am

Someone call the morgue, because this doc killed it:

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:41:17am

re: #137 darthstar

FAKE NEWS! NOBODY LOVES THE MILITARY MORE THAN TRUMP!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:41:51am

re: #137 darthstar

So you’re saying you’d believe your own lying eyes and the lying media press over our Dear Fuhrer?

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gwangung  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:41:54am

re: #95 Hecuba’s daughter

She was a great and effective Speaker when she was in power and a great Minority leader when out of power. She may not be the most charismatic Speaker but she got things done. We need her to stay in control to navigate through the treacherous remainder of Republican (mis)rule.

Have no problems teaming her up with a younger firebrand as a whip or assistant whip.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:42:33am

re: #148 gwangung

Have no problems teaming her up with a younger firebrand as a whip or assistant whip.

Sounds like a good idea.

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jeffreyw  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:43:07am

Coyotes are not always the most badass critter in any encounter.

YouTube

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:43:48am

So did that goon in the White House seriously just demand that Florida stop recounting votes it’s legally obligated by law to recount when elections are close?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:44:44am

re: #143 darthstar

Post a selfie looking up at the rain and tag that fucker.

Heh I would if I were on Twitter. But yeah I’m going to be in Alexandria this afternoon. God he’s such a chicken shit.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:45:49am

re: #150 jeffreyw

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Jeffrey, make sure you put in a return space or two after your text so the video doesn’t get up into the text like it did. Just a suggestion.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:45:51am

re: #151 Sir John Barron

So did that goon in the White House seriously just demand that Florida stop recounting votes it’s legally obligated by law to recount when elections are close?

No, he demanded no votes be counted at all after midnight election night.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:46:20am

re: #151 Sir John Barron

So did that goon in the White House seriously just demand that Florida stop recounting votes it’s legally obligated by law to recount when elections are close?

He did. I hope Scott gets his ass kicked.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:46:41am

re: #28 Single-handed sailor

The Caravan?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:47:05am

re: #154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, he demanded no votes be counted at all after midnight election night.

I want him to lose in a landslide but I’m almost tempted for a close one to mindfuck him.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:47:17am

re: #154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, he demanded no votes be counted at all after midnight election night.

They really don’t get an “as of” date
Or sadly they probably do

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:47:51am

re: #155 makeitstop

He did. I hope Scott gets his ass kicked.

DeRacist too. McSally looks done in Az.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:47:54am

re: #154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, he demanded no votes be counted at all after midnight election night.

Right I forgot that was the law.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:48:21am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

DeRacist too. McSally looks done in Az.

What a lovely surprise if true.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:48:37am

re: #151 Sir John Barron

So did that goon in the White House seriously just demand that Florida stop recounting votes it’s legally obligated by law to recount when elections are close?

Let’s not just blame the traitor in the WH; after all Skeletor, another thief, also is claiming voting fraud. This appears to be classic DARVO: interfere with elections, purge voters, deny actual votes, and claim it’s the Dems committing fraud.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:48:45am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

I want him to lose in a landslide but I’m almost tempted for a close one to mindfuck him.

I almost want him to win the popular vote and lose the EC.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:49:26am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

DeRacist too. McSally looks done in Az.

And then there is Georgia.

There was so much mucking it up by Kemp they really should call it an illegal mess and hold a new vote.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:52:39am

re: #164 ObserverArt

And then there is Georgia.

There was so much mucking it up by Kemp they really should call it an illegal mess and hold a new vote.

Yeah for sure. Fucking Kemp.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:52:40am

re: #164 ObserverArt

And then there is Georgia.

There was so much mucking it up by Kemp they really should call it an illegal mess and hold a new vote.

If there were a DOJ that cared about voting rights, that would have already happened. But the current DOJ has no interest in helping minorities vote. Nor does the Republican Supreme Court.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:52:53am

re: #163 Sir John Barron

I almost want him to win the popular vote and lose the EC.

That would be too funny.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:53:34am

re: #161 Sir John Barron

What a lovely surprise if true.

Yeah last I saw she was down by nearly 2%.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:55:12am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

In non-election recount related news, I had a breakthrough on Ancestry dot com last night, finally picking up the trail for my paternal grandmother’s side of the family, which turns out to be Dutch and German. My mother had mentioned a Dutch line of the family to me so this confirms that. I’d been hindered in the search before due to a name misspelling, or to a change in the spelling of a name. So I have one family line that immigrated from England in or about 1888 (my maternal grandmother’s side), and a Dutch line that immigrated (to America I should add) in 1847.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:55:49am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

That would be too funny.

Except that would honestly cause me some grief so I’m gonna vote against that option.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:56:00am

re: #163 Sir John Barron

I almost want him to win the popular vote and lose the EC.

Recall the now deleted tweet, when it looked like Obama lost the popular vote but won the EC against Mittens, where Donnie called for an uprising.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:57:00am

Yes, McCain preventing the GOP for taking affordable medical insurance away from millions is what caused Lewis’ constituents to reject him. Not his party’s rabid desire to do so.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:57:02am

re: #164 ObserverArt

And then there is Georgia.

There was so much mucking it up by Kemp they really should call it an illegal mess and hold a new vote.

I agree.

And furthermore, Kemp is disqualified from running in the next vote.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 8:58:42am

re: #163 Sir John Barron

I almost want him to win the popular vote and lose the EC.

No — I want a humiliating rejection of him and all things Republican. I want the GOP to lose big time across the board and to stay down for decades. His supporters will never accept the results of a close election.

I am old so I remember the 1964 election when the GOP suffered a huge defeat — the party decimated across the board but 4 years later they succeeded in electing a President and we have never fully recovered from that mistake in judgment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:00:42am

not good enough, you moron

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Dr. Matt  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:00:59am

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

. His supporters will never accept the results of a close election.

Donnie and his supporters didn’t accepted back-to-back ass kickings from Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:01:36am

yep, this was my first reaction:

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:02:32am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

not good enough, you moron

The firefighters yeah police fires yeah great HEY STOP VOTING FRAUD IN FL!!! AND AZ AND EVERYWHERE!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:02:38am

re: #169 Sir John Barron

In non-election recount related news, I had a breakthrough on Ancestry dot com last night, finally picking up the trail for my paternal grandmother’s side of the family, which turns out to be Dutch and German. My mother had mentioned a Dutch line of the family to me so this confirms that. I’d been hindered in the search before due to a name misspelling, or to a change in the spelling of a name. So I have one family line that immigrated from England in or about 1888 (my maternal grandmother’s side), and a Dutch line that immigrated (to America I should add) in 1847.

Way cool. I had a major breakthrough on one of my Germans. An Aussie whose great was probably my dads great grandfather’s brother.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:02:48am
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jeffreyw  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:02:54am

re: #153 ObserverArt

Jeffrey, make sure you put in a return space or two after your text so the video doesn’t get up into the text like it did. Just a suggestion.

Yep, did that a minute or two after it posted and I noticed. refresh to fix
Text on multiple lines always did show as overwritten gibberish on preview, posting usually cures it but not this time, curious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:03:59am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:05:11am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Way cool. I had a major breakthrough on one of my Germans. An Aussie whose great was probably my dads great grandfather’s brother.

I have a branch of the family with the last name of Thum or Thumm. I thought that was kind of neat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:05:12am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:05:37am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s back from France already?

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:06:04am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

“No movements”… meant bowel movements, which is why he’s sitting on his golden toilet all day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:06:11am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:06:12am

re: #172 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yes, McCain preventing the GOP for taking affordable medical insurance away from millions is what caused Lewis’ constituents to reject him. Not his party’s rabid desire to do so.

The WSJ editorial page— a home for lies, distortions, and misrepresentations for decades. Hey, Tom Steyer, why don’t you buy this rag and make it the great paper it could be if it were ever owned by someone whose loyalty is to the people of America and not the plutocrats and racists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:07:02am

re: #185 Sir John Barron

He’s back from France already?

yes.
apparently we didn’t change the locks in time…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:07:15am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep, this was my first reaction:

“ballots massively infected”

with what, smallpox?

this guy….

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:07:46am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes.
apparently we didn’t change the locks in time…

Damn, whose job was that?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:08:13am

re: #190 Sir John Barron

They are infected with the truth. It is DT’s major allergy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:08:29am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump will have no movements today, per White House.

Boy that’ll make him even more peevish on Twitter.

(Yes, I’m 12….)

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darthstar  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:11:10am

re: #164 ObserverArt

And then there is Georgia.

There was so much mucking it up by Kemp they really should call it an illegal mess and hold a new vote.

They just need to get Kemp to 49.9% and then they’ll have a runoff.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:11:37am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:11:46am

First Christian Church, Canyon, Texas.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:11:57am

usnews.com
You guys see this? Man this shit pisses me off not just as a descendant of WWII vets but also people who were persecuted by the Nazis.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:12:36am

re: #196 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

[Embedded content]

First Christian Church, Canyon, Texas.

Nice.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:13:04am

I enjoyed this thread

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:13:21am

re: #188 Hecuba’s daughter

The WSJ editorial page— a home for lies, distortions, and misrepresentations for decades. Hey, Tom Steyer, why don’t you buy this rag and make it the great paper it could be if it were ever owned by someone whose loyalty is to the people of America and not the plutocrats and racists.

Wouldn’t WSJ have to be for sale for Tom to buy it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:14:27am

thread:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:14:29am

re: #199 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I enjoyed this thread

Never a big Peanuts fan but Schultz knew how to tip his hat. Mauldin was a gem.

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Jay C  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:15:42am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

DeRacist too. McSally looks done in Az.

Yeah: I saw someplace (here, I think, yesterday) that McSally or her peeps were sending out grumpy tweets bitching about the vote counting: so probably she’s toast……

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:16:24am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:17:26am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep, this was my first reaction:

Kind of funny how Drump’s tweet is unsourced.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:18:13am

re: #196 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The congressional candidate I volunteered for is a minister in that denomination (Montgomery). She’s cool, but we underperformed Nate Silver’s 1:40 estimate. We did get a lot of young progressive activists out of the rubble.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:19:40am

re: #183 Sir John Barron

I have a branch of the family with the last name of Thum or Thumm. I thought that was kind of neat.

I found out I have a bunch of surnames that are Englicizing of Black or the dark one and sure enough my Schwarz- mother of my great grandfather whose surname I bear was mother to a bunch of dark haired and eyed Krauts. I get my light blues from the Irish side!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:20:26am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

not good enough, you moron

“Very few people saying how Great FEMA is doing out there where California Dems caused so much problems I don’t get enough credit.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:22:48am

re: #203 Jay C

Yeah: I saw someplace (here, I think, yesterday) that McSally or her peeps were sending out grumpy tweets bitching about the vote counting: so probably she’s toast……

I think so too.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:23:33am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

I found out I have a bunch of surnames that are Englicizing of Black or the dark one and sure enough my Schwarz- mother of my great grandfather whose surname I bear was mother to a bunch of dark haired and eyed Krauts. I get my light blues from the Irish side!

Got inspired to go back on last night in light of Veteran’s Day as one of the English line that stayed overseas fought and died in France in WWI.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:25:31am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t WSJ have to be for sale for Tom to buy it?

Someone could always approach the organization to make an offer.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:27:01am

re: #211 Hecuba’s daughter

Someone could always approach the organization to make an offer.

Okay why would Murdoch’s .org sell to a liberal? I hear ya but I think you’re over simplifying things here. Money is important to Rupert but so is power and power isn’t always money related.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:27:19am

Next time a Republican tells you their party cares about veterans, punch them in the face.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:29:13am

Stop the planet. I’ll be getting off here, please

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Jay C  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:29:32am

re: #211 Hecuba’s daughter

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t WSJ have to be for sale for Tom to buy it?

Someone could always approach the organization to make an offer.

It would have to be a damn huge offer, though: the WSJ is a Murdoch property (though their editorial stances have always been “pro-capitalist” to the max: it’s not like Rupert had to force them to shift positions).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:32:21am

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

Was it that the voters grew tired or was it that Republicans abandoned their interest in helping African-Americans?

I remember David Montgomery lecturing about this when I was in college. Dr. Montgomery wrote a lot of articles about Reconstruction and his conclusion was that Republicans initially needed black votes to gain power and once the rich joined the Republican ranks, black votes were no longer needed so they abandoned them to Jim Crow.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:32:54am

re: #210 Sir John Barron

Got inspired to go back on last night in light of Veteran’s Day as one of the English line that stayed overseas fought and died in France.

Yeah that second grandfather was a vet too. I’m curious now about my Germans now too since it’s my understanding that Hesse where a lot of ours are from had compulsory service I heard. I found myself this weekend thinking about my four great grandfather’s and what they thought of WWI since all came from so different backgrounds- four different countries- one American, one Slovene, one Rusyn, & one German but the German had nephews via my Great grandmother’s older sisters boys in the ARF.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:33:12am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

usnews.com
You guys see this? Man this shit pisses me off not just as a descendant of WWII vets but also people who were persecuted by the Nazis.

If we continue on the path we’re on, in 40 years these boys could be on the SCOTUS, in Congress & in the White House.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:36:11am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

If we continue on the path we’re on, in 40 years these boys could be on the SCOTUS, in Congress & in the White House.

I concur. Seeing how I have several nephews active in the Alt-Right and militias I’m scared to death. And I point the blame right at the Religious Right that brainwashed them.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:37:20am

re: #214 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Stop the planet. I’ll be getting off here, please

Proctor & Gamble is just trying to rig the Darwin Awards at this point.

Side note: I stopped at a Walgreens yesterday, mostly to get an energy drink but was also looking for cleaning supplies, they had Tide Pods in a security case like they often do for razor blades… but not the Gain equivalent product. Which seemed weird

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:37:36am

re: #216 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember David Montgomery lecturing about this when I was in college. Dr. Montgomery wrote a lot of articles about Reconstruction and his conclusion was that Republicans initially needed black votes to gain power and once the rich joined the Republican ranks, black votes were no longer needed so they abandoned them to Jim Crow.

That makes sense Joe. The GOP didn’t become the party of the robber barons until the 1870’s. Obviously not all Republican elected officials were allies of the barons but men like Carnegie, Rockefeller, & Morgan were more friendly towards the GOP due to some shared interests. McKinley was a huge tariff advocate for example which the industrial interests liked. No idea where my family was going then. Pittsburgh as you know was Republican until the Depression but we’re half Irish Catholic on that side and Irish Catholics in the cities were typically Dems. The others were Germans both Lutheran and Catholic so I dunno about them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:38:25am

re: #215 Jay C

It would have to be a damn huge offer, though: the WSJ is a Murdoch property (though their editorial stances have always been “pro-capitalist” to the max: it’s not like Rupert had to force them to shift positions).

It’s not just “pro-capitalist”; they were a lying disgrace before Murdoch. Their pre-Murdoch editorial page
>> pushed the cold fusion scam,
>> published a host of lies and vile commentary about Bill Clinton including a Linda Chavez(?) column criticizing the Clintons for having only one child,
>> demonized Dukakis on a personal level — not a policy level, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:39:01am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

If we continue on the path we’re on, in 40 years these boys could be on the SCOTUS, in Congress & in the White House.

I know. That’s what disturbs me the most about the rise of the alt right.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:41:24am

re: #203 Jay C

Yeah: I saw someplace (here, I think, yesterday) that McSally or her peeps were sending out grumpy tweets bitching about the vote counting: so probably she’s toast……

Per the Arizona Republic, Simena’s lead is now 32k as of yesterday afternoon.

The Arizona Republic estimates about 215,000 ballots remain to be counted statewide.

To remain competitive, McSally needs to outperform all of her previous showings in Maricopa County, the state’s most populous area and one that Sinema has dominated.

Percentage wise, the lead is 1.5%, so it’s likely over but for the blame casting.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:41:59am

Twitter is afire with deplorables tweeting against black women in politics…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:43:09am

re: #222 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not just “pro-capitalist”; they were a lying disgrace before Murdoch. Their pre-Murdoch editorial page
>> pushed the cold fusion scam,
>> published a host of lies and vile commentary about Bill Clinton including a Linda Chavez(?) column criticizing the Clintons for having only one child,
>> demonized Dukakis on a personal level — not a policy level, etc.

Then that sort of reinforces the point right? Why would they give the influence they have with the WSJ to a stalwart liberal like Steyer. And yeah they’ve always been awful in my lifetime.

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darthstar  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:43:31am

I want to see the rest of this video.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:44:52am

More from that article I liked to @ re: #224 KGxvi

On Sunday, Sinema picked up 2,224 net votes in Maricopa County and another 584 votes from Apache and Coconino counties. McSally picked up a net 348 votes in Pinal County.

Based on The Republic’s estimate of the votes remaining, McSally would need to win by about 15 percentage points to tie the race. The uncounted ballots are in Maricopa, Coconino, Pima and Pinal counties.

Sinema is currently winning in Maricopa, Pima and Coconino. McSally is winning in Pinal County. About 7 percent of the remaining uncounted ballots are in Pinal County.

The odds of McSally winning the remaining 215k ballots by 15% is… unlikely.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:45:07am

re: #227 darthstar

I think we can nominate this guy for a Darwin Award.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:45:43am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

If we continue on the path we’re on, in 40 years these boys could be on the SCOTUS, in Congress & in the White House.

The 1930’s had Father Coughlin and a lot of American support for Germany and the Fascists but we emerged from that experience. Of course, it did take a World War but I think we can survive this too.

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darthstar  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:46:01am

re: #229 PhillyPretzel

I think we can nominate this guy for a Darwin Award.

He’s just lucky his gas can didn’t clear the fence.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:46:49am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

That makes sense Joe. The GOP didn’t become the party of the robber barons until the 1870’s. Obviously not all Republican elected officials were allies of the barons but men like Carnegie, Rockefeller, & Morgan were more friendly towards the GOP due to some shared interests. McKinley was a huge tariff advocate for example which the industrial interests liked. No idea where my family was going then. Pittsburgh as you know was Republican until the Depression but we’re half Irish Catholic on that side and Irish Catholics in the cities were typically Dems. The others were Germans both Lutheran and Catholic so I dunno about them.

Dr. Montgomery pointed out that most of the moneyed class was initially in the Democratic ranks during the Civil War. Lincoln’s moves to create the Transcontinental railroad and contracts to provisioners for war supplies began to shift them to the Republicans. Note in 1868 and 1876 New York was carried by Democrats. After the deal was made to install Hayes the transition of the wealthy to the Republican Party was complete.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:48:06am

re: #231 darthstar

He’s just lucky his gas can didn’t clear the fence.

Pretty sure that tree was a eucalyptus, and I think those things pop like firecrackers when they burn

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:48:10am

re: #222 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not just “pro-capitalist”; they were a lying disgrace before Murdoch. Their pre-Murdoch editorial page
>> pushed the cold fusion scam,
>> published a host of lies and vile commentary about Bill Clinton including a Linda Chavez(?) column criticizing the Clintons for having only one child,
>> demonized Dukakis on a personal level — not a policy level, etc.

Gore Vidal always referred to the Wall Street Journal as “that cheery little fascist rag”.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:48:11am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Then that sort of reinforces the point right? Why would they give the influence they have with the WSJ to a stalwart liberal like Steyer. And yeah they’ve always been awful in my lifetime.

There are many things that people do for money — including the Murdoch family. After all, it’s the rest of the paper, not the editorial page, that is responsible for their success. And Rupert won’t be around forever.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:49:51am

Humidity is already down to 11%.

I hatez this time of year.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:51:27am

re: #235 Hecuba’s daughter

There are many things that people do for money — including the Murdoch family. After all, it’s the rest of the paper, not the editorial page, that is responsible for their success. And Rupert won’t be around forever.

The Orange County Register has gone through several ownership transitions in the last 30 years or so, and it’s editorial page has remained staunchly glibertarian.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:51:47am

re: #232 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dr. Montgomery pointed out that most of the moneyed class was initially in the Democratic ranks during the Civil War. Lincoln’s moves to create the Transcontinental railroad and contracts to provisioners for war supplies began to shift them to the Republicans. Note in 1868 and 1876 New York was carried by Democrats. After the deal was made to install Hayes the transition of the wealthy to the Republican Party was complete.

I haven’t studied the era that well but I would agree with Dr. Montgomery for sure.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:52:01am

re: #229 PhillyPretzel

I think we can nominate this guy for a Darwin Award.

…by acclimation!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:52:58am

re: #235 Hecuba’s daughter

There are many things that people do for money — including the Murdoch family. After all, it’s the rest of the paper, not the editorial page, that is responsible for their success. And Rupert won’t be around forever.

I’m just saying that it’s not as simple as Tom saying he’d want to buy it. And TBH how influential is the WSJ right now?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:53:51am

re: #237 KGxvi

The Orange County Register has gone through several ownership transitions in the last 30 years or so, and it’s editorial page has remained staunchly glibertarian.

I imagine nothing as stark as from Murdoch to Steyer tho right?

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:53:53am

I’d rather see the WSJ starved of advertising money before any benefactor buy it out.

Why reward Murdoch for all the evil he has done?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:54:07am

re: #236 freetoken

Humidity is already down to 11%.

I hatez this time of year.

Here in Koreatown, my weather monitor shows the humidity at 16%. The lowest humidity point yesterday was at 3%…

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:54:36am

re: #236 freetoken

Humidity is already down to 11%.

I hatez this time of year.

it was 90+ here this morning
72% now

would redirect if we could…

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Interesting Times  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:54:42am
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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:55:30am

re: #239 Joe Bacon 🌹

…by acclimation immolation !

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:57:00am

re: #246 dangerman

Ohio Players - Fire

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 9:57:51am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

I imagine nothing as stark as from Murdoch to Steyer tho right?

No, mostly it’s been hedge funds and that sort lately.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:00:00am

Eastern two thirds of the country (save Florida) is covered with clouds or snow, or both. But out here it’s just dry, dry, dry…

Image: 20183161730_GOES16-ABI-FD-GEOCOLOR-1808x1808.jpg

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:00:31am

re: #248 KGxvi

No, mostly it’s been hedge funds and that sort lately.

That’s what I figured. I think the Post has had Graham and her estate and now Bezos in my lifetime. No real changes in editorial since while they lean left, they include columnists all over the place. No one truly far left or right though. I mean Hewitt and Theissen are boobs but they’re GOP apologists who would be cheering a President Kasich too.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:01:40am

re: #227 darthstar

I want to see the rest of this video.

Heh, I said that the other day too. I bet that fence and maybe the tree are gone…maybe more.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:02:47am

re: #247 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh, man…..Ohio Players and their album covers.

I remember gazing rapturously at those albums when I was a little kid, LOL.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:02:48am

re: #249 freetoken

Eastern two thirds of the country (save Florida) is covered with clouds or snow, or both. But out here it’s just dry, dry, dry…

Image: 20183161730_GOES16-ABI-FD-GEOCOLOR-1808x1808.jpg

Just checked the long range weather forecast for Los Angeles and it’s saying there’s a 40% chance of rain next Wednesday, Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving Friday…

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:04:30am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

That’s what I figured. I think the Post has had Graham and her estate and now Bezos in my lifetime. No real changes in editorial since while they lean left, they include columnists all over the place. No one truly far left or right though. I mean Hewitt and Theissen are boobs but they’re GOP apologists who would be cheering a President Kasich too.

The Register is owned by Digital First Media now, which owns quite a few papers including the Denver Post, the Detroit News, the Boston Herald, and the Salt Lake City Tribune. They used to (been a while since I’ve read it regularly) run a lot of WSJ columns on the opinion pages.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:06:57am

re: #75 Belafon

Just goes to show, all you need to goose turnout is a polarizing national crisis. I heard turn out in 1860 was off the the charts as well.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:08:17am

What is so sad for me is seeing how the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette moved sharply to the right. They fired their long time cartoonist Rob Rogers for not kissing Trump’s ass.

Rob just published a cartoon book documenting how the right wing publisher of the Post Gazette fired him.

patreon.com

And now the Post Gazette ceased daily publication and now only prints weekday editions.

Pittsburgh is now the larges city without a daily newspaper.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:09:49am

Meanwhile, Trump continues to be an asshole vis a vis Puerto Rico:

White House officials have told congressional leaders and appropriators that President Donald Trump does not want any additional relief funding sent to Puerto Rico, a congressional leadership aide told CNN on Monday.

While there are no talks to cut funds that have already been appropriated, a White House aide said negotiations have focused on keeping Puerto Rico relief funding out of a supplemental spending bill that would fund relief efforts in parts of the south that were ravaged by hurricanes this year.

That aide noted Puerto Rican officials haven’t yet spent all the money Congress has set aside for them, and said the administration is moving to stop any more money from going to help the island “because they don’t need it and will most likely not be able to spend it.”

I’d love to see Puerto Rico become a State before 2020… but I think Trump is petty enough to veto legislation making it a State. And now I wonder if a State has ever been admitted via veto override?

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:12:07am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:13:33am

So, while the world is burning, California is burning, a bunch of other shit is burning, and I thought I’d look in on the stock market.

Fuck.

Also, holy shit, General Electric is under $8 a share and talking about selling stuff to raise money, the utility companies in California are crashing (I mean, the whole state is on fire, so…).

And then there’s this shit, disabled veterans still being expected to repay student loan debt cnbc.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:13:56am

re: #257 KGxvi

Meanwhile, Trump continues to be an asshole vis a vis Puerto Rico:

I’d love to see Puerto Rico become a State before 2020… but I think Trump is petty enough to veto legislation making it a State. And now I wonder if a State has ever been admitted via veto override?

Andrew Johnson vetoed the bill admitting Nebraska as a state. Congress overrode it and admitted 2 more Senators hell bent on impeaching him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:14:39am
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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:16:46am

re: #259 Sufficient unto the day…

I wonder if GE will turn into another Sears.

By that I mean, some opportunists will see that GE is going down and buy it to mine the name “GE” for all they can, while gutting the company by selling off whatever they can of the real property.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:19:07am
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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:20:08am

re: #259 Sufficient unto the day…

So, while the world is burning, California is burning, a bunch of other shit is burning, and I thought I’d look in on the stock market.

Fuck.

Also, holy shit, General Electric is under $8 a share and talking about selling stuff to raise money, the utility companies in California are crashing (I mean, the whole state is on fire, so…).

And then there’s this shit, disabled veterans still being expected to repay student loan debt cnbc.com

GE has been dropping for a while, five years ago it was at $28/share, a year ago it was at $18/share. Those big conglomerates don’t seem to be very competitive these days.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:21:37am

re: #116 lawhawk

Daisy….. Daisy… RIP Doug Rain..

A very effective scene; you can feel the fear and horror at your mind slipping away. Deactivation of Hal 9000

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:21:53am

re: #264 KGxvi

GE has been dropping for a while, five years ago it was at $28/share, a year ago it was at $18/share. Those big conglomerates don’t seem to be very competitive these days.

They’ve already lost the part that might keep them afloat to Black & Decker, right?

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:22:32am
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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:24:50am

re: #264 KGxvi

GE spent a few years trying to buy everything in sight. They got into the finance game with GE capital.

Then they got hammered in the financial crisis, and started to shed everything outside their core manufacturing business.

They were a leader on medical tech, engines, turbines, etc., and now they’re adrift.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:25:07am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

How to get people freak out, get Mark Penn who hasn’t advised HRC in years to say he thinks she might run.

I’m just laughing at the wingnuts who are thrilled at the prospect. There isn’t a chance in hell that Clinton will be the nominee again, and I expect that if she even flirts with the notion it won’t take her long to find out there is no appetite for it among Democrats.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:27:57am

re: #263 Joe Bacon 🌹

So, you get dragged along to a Christmas party where you don’t really know the host. You see that being displayed somewhere. What’s the protocol?

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:28:51am

re: #270 Mike Lamb

So, you get dragged along to a Christmas party where you don’t really know the host. You see that being displayed somewhere. What’s the protocol?

Is there a dog there? If not, how much alcohol is available?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:29:12am

re: #270 Mike Lamb

So, you get dragged along to a Christmas party where you don’t really know the host. You see that being displayed somewhere. What’s the protocol?

“WHOOPS! I didn’t mean to knock the tree over. Oh my, sorry about the smashed ornament!”

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jeffreyw  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:29:54am

re: #270 Mike Lamb

So, you get dragged along to a Christmas party where you don’t really know the host. You see that being displayed somewhere. What’s the protocol?

I call it the “Ooops!” protocol.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:32:42am

Interesting tidbit from CNN’s exit polls. The only age/race cross-section that Republicans won were whites 45-64 (29% of the electorate, 59-40) and whites 64+ (22%, 56-43). Whites 30-45 was a tie, whites under 30 went 56-43 for the Democrats (but were only 8% of the electorate).

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:33:11am

‘Subpoena cannon.’ I dig the sound of that…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:34:37am

re: #275 makeitstop

‘Subpoena cannon.’ I dig the sound of that…

I fully expect the corrupted Court to vote 5-4 quashing all subpoenas.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:35:23am

re: #275 makeitstop

Overwhelming Trumpworld with paperwork that they have to address.

In other words, forcing them to do their jobs. And doing the jobs that the GOP refused to do for 2 years.

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Lidane  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:36:25am

This is what happens when you officially run out of ideas:

POKÉMON Detective Pikachu - Official Trailer #1

What. The. Fuck.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:37:14am

re: #276 Joe Bacon 🌹

That opens the door to having a Democratic president being able to avoid answering subpoenas as well.

The Court, if it goes that route, and decides to limit to the issue at question, opens the door to being seen as a bunch of partisan right wing hacks, and even Roberts knows that the Court can’t withstand that.

So, it’s not likely to quash the subpoenas. But they might be very generous in how much time they have to respond.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:38:48am

re: #274 KGxvi

Interesting tidbit from CNN’s exit polls. The only age/race cross-section that Republicans won were whites 45-64 (29% of the electorate, 59-40) and whites 64+ (22%, 56-43). Whites 30-45 was a tie, whites under 30 went 56-43 for the Democrats (but were only 8% of the electorate).

Interesting. It’s not the elderly but the younger boomers that are the GOPs biggest bloc.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:38:52am

re: #151 Sir John Barron

So did that goon in the White House seriously just demand that Florida stop recounting votes it’s legally obligated by law to recount when elections are close?

Worked for Bush.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:38:52am

re: #276 Joe Bacon 🌹

I fully expect the corrupted Court to vote 5-4 quashing all subpoenas.

And I expect them to have a workaround in public testimony and release of documents.

Trump knows what’s coming, and he knows he can’t stop it.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:40:50am
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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:41:19am

ok, yes, im bored.

apropos of this from yesterday
has anyone thought to check where melania is when trump has this penciled in?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:45:18am
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Jay C  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:45:37am

re: #279 lawhawk

So, it’s not likely to quash the subpoenas. But they might be very generous in how much time they have to respond.

January 21, 2021

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:45:49am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Interesting. It’s not the elderly but the younger boomers that are the GOPs biggest bloc.

They were out marching in the streets in the antiwar movement. Then they got good jobs, didn’t want to pay taxes, and put Reagan in the White House.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:46:26am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:48:09am

re: #278 Lidane

This is what happens when you officially run out of ideas:

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Video

What. The. Fuck.

OMG. You are so right. Is there any originality left in Hollywood? Or is it that originality is a losing proposition? The audience wants the same old recycled stories.

In the 1990’s, my husband and I quickly learned that theater series with a large percentage of world premieres or Chicago premieres were usually not worth purchasing.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:48:32am

re: #260 Joe Bacon 🌹

Andrew Johnson vetoed the bill admitting Nebraska as a state. Congress overrode it and admitted 2 more Senators hell bent on impeaching him.

Congress missed an opportunity when it failed to remove that racist from office.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:48:35am

re: #287 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They were out marching in the streets in the antiwar movement. Then they got good jobs, didn’t want to pay taxes, and put Reagan in the White House.

Yep.

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lawhawk  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:50:52am

RIP Stan Lee. Excelsior!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:51:09am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Yep.

But another side of that is that things change. I’m in hopes that some of these young Nazis are just going along with an “edgy” fad and won’t stay that way.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:51:24am

re: #151 Sir John Barron

So did that goon in the White House seriously just demand that Florida stop recounting votes it’s legally obligated by law to recount when elections are close?

dude doesnt even realize he has no standing wrt this

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:51:49am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Interesting. It’s not the elderly but the younger boomers that are the GOPs biggest bloc.

There’s also an education divide… among white voters with no college degree 56% of women and 60% of men voted for the GOP. 51% of college educated men went to the GOP. Those three groups made up 56% of the electorate. College educated white women (16% of the electorate) went for the Dems 59-39.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:52:23am

re: #293 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But another side of that is that things change. I’m in hopes that some of these young Nazis are just going along with an “edgy” fad and won’t stay that way.

God I hope so.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:52:43am

re: #292 lawhawk

dammit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:52:44am

re: #295 KGxvi

There’s also an education divide… among white voters with no college degree 56% of women and 60% of men voted for the GOP. 51% of college educated men went to the GOP. Those three groups made up 56% of the electorate. College educated white women (16% of the electorate) went for the Dems 59-39.

That’s very true.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:52:58am

re: #292 lawhawk

Fuck you, 2018.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:53:11am

re: #294 dangerman

dude doesnt even realize he has no standing wrt this

He thought the President was like a King—and he’ll never accept the fact that he’s not.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:54:37am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:56:04am

re: #287 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They were out marching in the streets in the antiwar movement. Then they got good jobs, didn’t want to pay taxes, and put Reagan in the White House.

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Yep.

I think you underestimate the effects of the skyrocketing interest rates, the Iran crisis, the depressed stock market, and the bungled hostage rescue attempt on the mood of the country.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:56:31am

They seem nice.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:58:17am

re: #303 makeitstop

They seem nice.

One front center is making the White Power sign instead.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 10:59:26am

re: #304 Big Beautiful Door

One front center is making the White Power sign instead.

two over to the right is making the black power sign

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:00:06am

re: #302 Hecuba’s daughter

I think you underestimate the effects of the skyrocketing interest rates, the Iran crisis, the depressed stock market, and the bungled hostage rescue attempt on the mood of the country.

Yet they’ve stayed Republican. And those events didn’t budge voters of color.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:02:04am

re: #300 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He thought the President was like a King—and he’ll never accept the fact that he’s not.

Like many Republicans, he thought of the President as being the CEO of a privately held corporation, where only their word matters and anyone who dissents can be dismissed. Remember for most companies, it’s not one person, one vote — it’s basically one share, one vote. So votes are weighted by wealth. Trump has transferred that thinking to the government — which is why CEOs may be the worst people to be President.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:03:36am
Tampa Bay Times: “According to an analysis by the nonpartisan group FairVote, which advocates for electoral reforms that make it easier to vote, out of 4,687 statewide general elections between 2000 and 2016, just 26 went to a recount.”

“Of those 26, just three recounts wound up changing the initial result of the race: The 2004 Washington governor’s race, the 2006 Vermont state auditor’s race and the 2008 Minnesota U.S. Senate race. The average swing in those three elections after the recounts? About 311 votes. … Essentially, Nelson — and to a greater extent, Gillum — would need a systematic error to be discovered during their recounts if their results are to be reversed.”

tampa bay times via political-wire.com completely misses the points

- past performance in other recounts is not a predictor of anything in this one
- the whole point of a recount is to determine if there was a ‘systematic’ or other error that caused the initial count total to in fact be wrong

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:05:41am

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

Like many Republicans, he thought of the President as being the CEO of a privately held corporation, where only their word matters and anyone who dissents can be dismissed. Remember for most companies, it’s not one person, one vote — it’s basically one share, one vote. So votes are weighted by wealth. Trump has transferred that thinking to the government — which is why CEOs may be the worst people to be President.

yup
he expects to sit there and have all the ‘execs’ do the work but he doesnt know what the work is so he cant tell them what to do

(i wont even go into ‘being a leader’)

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:05:45am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Yet they’ve stayed Republican. And those events didn’t budge voters of color.

But that’s partly because the economy did improve significantly and the Soviet Union basically collapsed under Reagan. So many people (not me) have fond memories of his terms in office. It was basically a time of peace and prosperity. And Reagan was willing to work with Democrats and forged a great relationship with Tip O’Neil.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:06:01am

re: #303 makeitstop

They seem nice.

Wish their great grandparents were still around to give me hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:06:21am

re: #303 makeitstop

They seem nice.

the boy in the far upper right corner ain’t having none of this

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:07:20am

re: #310 Hecuba’s daughter

But that’s partly because the economy did improve significantly and the Soviet Union basically collapsed under Reagan. So many people (not me) have fond memories of his terms in office. It was basically a time of peace and prosperity. And Reagan was willing to work with Democrats and forged a great relationship with Tip O’Neil.

Again I’m just saying that the economic events that drove many former idealistic white boomers to the GOP didn’t do that for PoC who grew up in the same era.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:08:17am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there’s a story there…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:08:36am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

the boy in the far upper right corner ain’t having none of this

The senior class is obviously at risk of being overrun by PoC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:08:50am

the moron is babbling

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:09:29am

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

Like many Republicans, he thought of the President as being the CEO of a privately held corporation, where only their word matters and anyone who dissents can be dismissed. Remember for most companies, it’s not one person, one vote — it’s basically one share, one vote. So votes are weighted by wealth. Trump has transferred that thinking to the government — which is why CEOs may be the worst people to be President.

Trump has never been a CEO, he just played one on television. In real life he is a scammer.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:09:58am

re: #315 Decatur Deb

The senior class is obviously at risk of being overrun by PoC.

I’m feeling their economic anxiety.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:10:04am

Been doing some casual research on property in San Diego, trying to get a feel for where we’re at, so to speak, in the landscape of how healthy things are around here, and why rents are going up so quickly when house prices are hitting ceilings.

Along the way I’ve come across something that makes me rather angry - a lot of very expensive property/houses pay almost no property tax.

It’s a scam the wealthy play on the rest of society.

There are trusts and holding companies that hold very desirable property in the county… who pay little property tax. We’re talking just a few dollars, up to a few hundred at most.

They hide behind laws in California, and Prop 13, to keep their taxes from going up.

Meanwhile, the masses are finding their costs skyrocketing.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:11:33am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

I’m feeling their economic anxiety.

RuPaul won’t be headlining that prom.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:11:37am

Maybe another reason for Trump to separate himself from European leaders in Paris.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:12:06am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

the moron is babbling

he spends a lot of tweets quoting other people
its like he doesnt have any original thoughts of his own

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:12:24am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

RuPaul won’t be headlining that prom.

Too bad. He’s brilliant.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:12:50am

re: #308 dangerman

tampa bay times via political-wire.com completely misses the points

- past performance in other recounts is not a predictor of anything in this one
- the whole point of a recount is to determine if there was a ‘systematic’ or other error that caused the initial count total to in fact be wrong

Of those 26, just three recounts wound up changing the initial result of the race: The 2004 Washington governor’s race,….

I was really happy that after Dino Rossi lost the Governor’s race—twice—people didn’t vote him into Reichert’s old seat as a consolation prize. Instead, we got a Democratic flip. In a very carefully gerrymandered district—they had to straddle the fucking mountains to get Reichert in.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:13:06am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

the moron is babbling

Hopefully, Saudi Arabia and OPEC will not be cutting oil production. Oil prices should be much lower based on supply!

does ‘demand’ play any part in this?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:13:09am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:13:55am

re: #303 makeitstop

Certainly explains how Scott Walker was elected twice as governor of Wisconsin.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:14:17am

re: #326 Charles Johnson

See I thought his email would be Whitemanbaby@Trump.org but I guess Don Jr and Eric wanted to be subtle.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:15:11am

re: #327 Hecuba’s daughter

Certainly explains how Scott Walker was elected twice as governor of Wisconsin.

Just doing the Ingraham Wave. It’s all the rage.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:15:54am

re: #327 Hecuba’s daughter

Certainly explains how Scott Walker was elected twice as governor of Wisconsin.

Wisconsin is interesting. The state of Feingold also gave us Walker and that other wanker. The state of LaFolliate, McCarthy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:16:39am

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Just doing the Ingraham Wave. It’s all the rage.

Oh I thought they were still asking who’s seen Kyle like those Germans were in the 30’s.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:17:08am

Remembering Stan Lee:

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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:20:42am

re: #135 bd(soros funded)

Too perfect

That is the first good use of either of those that I have seen!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:20:47am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Wisconsin is interesting. The state of Feingold also gave us Walker and that other wanker. The state of LaFolliate, McCarthy.

And Russia’s good friend, the Republican senator Ron Johnson. At least Tammy was reelected.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:21:15am

Remember FOX News stopped tweeting? They’re still stopped. Murdoch met with McConnell on Saturday.

Wikileaks also stopped tweeting.

Then there’s this:

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:23:58am

re: #335 Anymouse 🌹

Remember FOX News stopped tweeting? They’re still stopped. Murdoch met with McConnell on Saturday.

Wikileaks also stopped tweeting.

Then there’s this:

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Odd, to say the least. FNC goes silent and now Matt Drudge deletes his tweets?

Weird.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:24:12am

re: #334 Hecuba’s daughter

And Russia’s good friend, the Republican senator Ron Johnson. At least Tammy was reelected.

Johnson yeah I forgot his name.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:24:54am

re: #305 dangerman

two over to the right is making the black power sign

Exactly one kid in the back right isn’t comfortable; the rest think its hilarious.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:24:55am

re: #335 Anymouse 🌹

Remember FOX News stopped tweeting? They’re still stopped. Murdoch met with McConnell on Saturday.

Wikileaks also stopped tweeting.

Then there’s this:

45s bizarre inability to even fake-honor the troops on Veteran’s Day plus @FoxNews going silent — this is the first time I sense that implosion/explosion of this admin is truly near. I don’t know what’s about to drop, but there is something very, very, very major afoot

Maybe “Tuesday the 13th” will come to be fabled in song and story. One can hope….

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Teukka  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:25:01am

re: #336 Dr Lizardo

Odd, to say the least. FNC goes silent and now Matt Drudge deletes his tweets?

Weird.

Someone bracing for impact? Or someone deleting anything which may put an upcoming narrative into question?

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:25:11am

re: #336 Dr Lizardo

Maybe they are all part of a Gab-alliance are going to do a big stunt to reboot Gab?

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:25:32am

re: #335 Anymouse 🌹

Remember FOX News stopped tweeting? They’re still stopped. Murdoch met with McConnell on Saturday.

Wikileaks also stopped tweeting.

Then there’s this:

[Embedded content]

Two possibilities:
>> Something big and negative about Trump and perhaps the entire GOP about to drop.
>> Something horrible and evil about to be implemented by Trump administration and they are trying to get a unified message out there. For example, declaring November elections null and void — or some other policy to silence the public.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:27:25am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Again I’m just saying that the economic events that drove many former idealistic white boomers to the GOP didn’t do that for PoC who grew up in the same era.

If you look at the unemployment rate for African-Americans in the eighties, it was above 10% the entire decade, and didn’t come down until the Clinton Administration. The 80’s didn’t roar for them.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:28:29am
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ericblair  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:28:31am

re: #342 Hecuba’s daughter

Two possibilities:
>> Something big and negative about Trump and perhaps the entire GOP about to drop.
>> Something horrible and evil about to be implemented by Trump administration and they are trying to get a unified message out there. For example, declaring November elections null and void — or some other policy to silence the public.

Deleting the evidence, I’d guess. Good luck with that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:30:12am

re: #327 Hecuba’s daughter

Certainly explains how Scott Walker was elected twice as governor of Wisconsin.

I need to look for his concession speech to see his sad and drink the wingnut tears.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:32:23am

re: #340 Teukka

re: #342 Hecuba’s daughter

re: #345 ericblair

Deleting the evidence; that makes sense actually.

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Jay C  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:33:44am

re: #342 Hecuba’s daughter

>> Something horrible and evil about to be implemented by Trump administration and they are trying to get a unified message out there. For example, declaring November elections null and void — or some other policy to silence the public.

If that’s the case: I’m guessing it’s Mueller-related. Halting the investigation: canning Mueller before he can drop any more bombs on the Admin/Trump family and hoping the lame-duck GOP Congress will cover his ass?

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:33:54am

re: #347 Dr Lizardo

Deleting the evidence; that makes sense actually.

But isn’t the Internet forever? Can they actually delete all their past posts so the posts cannot be recovered?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:34:30am

re: #151 Sir John Barron

So did that goon in the White House seriously just demand that Florida stop recounting votes it’s legally obligated by law to recount when elections are close?

Rick Scott is already planning to go to Washington for the upcoming orientation for new senators.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:35:06am

re: #344 gocart mozart

That’s heartbreaking.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:35:34am

re: #287 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They were out marching in the streets in the antiwar movement. Then they got good jobs, didn’t want to pay taxes, and put Reagan in the White House.

I’m in that age bracket and I noticed that back in the 80s when consumption of goods, as much as you could consume, replaced peace and love and saving the planet and ending wars.

Yippie to yuppie.

Demonstrations were showing everyone the size of your house and what model of black BMW you drove.

Yep, a whole lot of waste and a complete turn of what they never stood for because it was always just fashion.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:35:42am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Wish their great grandparents were still around to give me hell.

‘em’?

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:35:49am

re: #348 Jay C

If that’s the case: I’m guessing it’s Mueller-related. Halting the investigation: canning Mueller before he can drop any more bombs on the Admin/Trump family and hoping the lame-duck GOP Congress will cover his ass?

That won’t stop the House Democrats in January but, of course, then the GOP will just claim it’s a partisan attack.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:37:09am

re: #335 Anymouse 🌹

Drudge does this periodically - it isn’t unusual for him.

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gocart mozart  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:37:59am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:39:05am

Twitter weirdness in the dark side of the force? Patience pays.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:39:11am

Add this to the speculation - Says Who is in DC, and Mueller’s crew is working on a holiday.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:39:56am

re: #352 ObserverArt

I’m in that age bracket and I noticed that back in the 80s when consumption of goods, as much as you could consume, replaced peace and love and saving the planet and ending wars.

Yippie to yuppie.

Demonstrations were showing everyone the size of your house and what model of black BMW you drove.

Yep, a whole lot of waste and a complete turn of what they never stood for because it was always just fashion.

For most of them it was never “antiwar” anyway, it was “anti-me-getting-drafted”. The second the draft ended, the “antiwar” movement ended. Funny that.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:40:46am

I hope the DNC is alerting Democratic voters to how important Secretaries of State positions are given Kemp’s antics.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:41:29am

re: #358 makeitstop

That is the answer. Mueller. Use whatever cliche you want to use. It is about to begin.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:41:47am

re: #350 Anymouse 🌹

Rick Scott is already planning to go to Washington for the upcoming orientation for new senators.

without a signed doc from the state certifying victory, he’s not a senator

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:42:12am

re: #293 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But another side of that is that things change. I’m in hopes that some of these young Nazis are just going along with an “edgy” fad and won’t stay that way.

Wisconsin School’s Nazi Prom Photo Sure To Go Over Well With College Admission Boards (Wonkette, with photo)

A parent took a photo of a Wisconsin high school’s class of 2019 boys all in a Bellamy salute (except one who did a white power salute)

The parent has now set their account to private, but not before it was screen captured.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:42:20am

re: #355 Charles Johnson

I guess it’s all part of making sure there is no way to hold Drudge accountable.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:42:55am

re: #363 Anymouse 🌹

They’ll all get into Hillsdale.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:43:09am

Time to call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:43:24am

re: #356 gocart mozart

That was my assumption as well — that he wouldn’t lie about something with documentary evidence.

jim acosta

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:45:12am

RIP Stan Lee. Say what you want of him, but he was a man who was always ahead of the curve, and knew that ‘staying in his lane’ was never the moral choice when it came to using his platform for the right things:

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:45:30am

re: #363 Anymouse 🌹

Wisconsin School’s Nazi Prom Photo Sure To Go Over Well With College Admission Boards (Wonkette, with photo)

A parent took a photo of a Wisconsin high school’s class of 2019 boys all in a Bellamy salute (except one who did a white power salute)

The parent has now set their account to private, but not before it was screen captured.

Not exactly.

The racists-in-training were prompted by a photographer hired by the school - that photo was, until today, on the photographer’s web site as a part of the prom package.

A parent snapped a different photo, but make no mistake where the idea came from.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:45:52am

re: #303 makeitstop

They seem nice.

Jules Suzdaltsev ✔
@jules_su
If anybody from Baraboo High School in Wisconsin can clue me in on why it appears the entire male class of 2018 is throwing up a Sig Heil during their prom photos - that would be great.

h/t @CarlySidey

Wait, let me put on my sunglasses and check that image out.

Yeah. Pretty damn blinding white assholes who obviously think it is funny to throw the Sieg Heil arm salute.

Looks like the German heritage of Wisconsin is getting a little out of control. Grrrrr.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:52:14am

re: #334 Hecuba’s daughter

And Russia’s good friend, the Republican senator Ron Johnson. At least Tammy was reelected.

Ron Johnson is a dangerous loon.

He’s got the whole look of crazy going on and he lives up to it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 12, 2018 • 11:55:33am

re: #355 Charles Johnson

Drudge does this periodically - it isn’t unusual for him.

Convenient way to cover up if he’s said anything that turned out untrue or wrong. Just noting him doing it at the same time as FOX and Wikileaks went silent.

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dangerman  Nov 12, 2018 • 12:23:49pm

re: #369 makeitstop

Not exactly.

The racists-in-training were prompted by a photographer hired by the school - that photo was, until today, on the photographer’s web site as a part of the prom package.

A parent snapped a different photo, but make no mistake where the idea came from.

saw this tweet in the article:

Lori M. Mueller
@LoriMMueller

The photo of students posted to #BarabooProud is not reflective of the educational values and beliefs of the School District of Baraboo. The District will pursue any and all available and appropriate actions, including legal, to address.

i dont know how many kids are there 60? 80?

i’d say that’s pretty reflective
oh, sorry, it’s right there in the article:

I am sure she would like to think that. However, if you’ve got that many kids doing a Nazi salute, and one of their parents is taking the picture, you might want to take a moment and consider what values and beliefs your school district is actually encouraging in its student body…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 12, 2018 • 12:32:16pm

re: #368 Citizen K

So being a decent human being who doesn’t hate people based on their race, religion, nationality or sexual orientation is “pushing an agenda”? Good to know. And good to know that Stan Lee was a decent human being on the tolerance front.


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