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Kragar  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:10:35am
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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:14:58am

re: #1 Kragar

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Still has not visited troops in a war zone since taking office. Can’t even make it to the border to buck up the troops fighting off the “invasion.”

By the way, wasn’t he worried about snarling up D.C. traffic in order to make this appearance? Or did HMX-1 suddenly find that it could fly in cold, wet conditions again?

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:18:10am

re: #1 Kragar

Cable guy must be at the White House installing new DVRs?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:21:37am

A wingnut told me that a portion of the caravan has already reached the border, so I asked him how high the casualties were in the border clashes and why Trump wasn’t tweeting about it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:21:56am
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MsJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:23:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:25:02am
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MsJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:25:44am

The responses. I. Am. Dying. LOLOLOL!!!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:26:40am

re: #1 Kragar

Maybe he’ll them all about the yuuuuge electorals he won.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:29:17am

re: #1 Kragar

Couldn’t attend a memorial at Belleau Woods on the USMC birthday.

Couldn’t make it to Arlington on Veteran’s Day.

But yeah, making it across town on a random Thursday is “supporting the troops”.

did he go by car / motorcade / caravan?
doesnt that fuck up traffic - like he didnt want to do in europe?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:29:23am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:29:27am
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Kragar  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:29:32am

re: #8 MsJ

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fern01  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:29:54am

And I look at the centre front page online of the WaPo

1. Positive story about trump jnr
From rebellious to reliable: Donald Trump Jr.’s journey back to family loyalty

2. Negative story about Nancy Pelosi
Pelosi insists she has votes to become House speaker despite solid opposition

Why trump is critical of the press I will never understand

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:30:00am

re: #2 Targetpractice

Still has not visited troops in a war zone since taking office. Can’t even make it to the border to buck up the troops fighting off the “invasion.”

By the way, wasn’t he worried about snarling up D.C. traffic in order to make this appearance? Or did HMX-1 suddenly find that it could fly in cold, wet conditions again?

this exactly!

and yes yes yes i should read before i post
i’ll never learn
part of my charm

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:31:22am

re: #6 MsJ

Someone must have told him how really, REALLY bad missing those ceremonies was.

But trump only thinks about trump. He was and is too stupid to understand…anything.

plus he’s got nothing to do
and hes desperate for anything he might be able to use to deflect what is surely coming down the pike

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:31:26am

re: #14 fern01

And I look at the centre front page online of the WaPo

1. Positive story about trump jnr
From rebellious to reliable: Donald Trump Jr.’s journey back to family loyalty

2. Negative story about Nancy Pelosi
Pelosi insists she has votes to become House speaker despite solid opposition

Why trump is critical of the press I will never understand

Since DJT won’t seem to pivot I guess the media will switch to a Donny Junior “pivot”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:31:50am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:32:08am

re: #16 dangerman

plus he’s got nothing to do
and hes desperate for anything he might be able to use to deflect what is surely coming down the pike

He got out of Policy Time early.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:33:32am

Whoever put this headline together with that picture probably had fun doing it….

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:34:26am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:36:21am

re: #8 MsJ

The responses. I. Am. Dying. LOLOLOL!!!

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:36:44am

re: #8 MsJ

The responses. I. Am. Dying. LOLOLOL!!!

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Can’t…breath…laughing…too…hard…*wheeeeeeze* *thud*

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:37:04am

re: #21 Kragar

War veterans Ike, JFK and GWH Bush were real slackers I guess.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:37:41am

re: #12 Big Beautiful Door

Good news, just getting off your ass and walking around for a minute is good for your health!

i’ve run about 2000 miles since the beginning of the year

I’m gonna live forever

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:38:11am

re: #21 Kragar

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Wilke then later said “And the fact that he asked me to find a way to cut spending at the VA was totally an inspired way to help veterans…wait, what?”

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:39:53am

re: #13 Kragar

sudden impact
blazing saddles
octopussy
for your eyes only
in like flint
inside moves

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:41:08am

re: #19 Sir John Barron

He got out of Policy Time early.

just in time for juice box and oatmeal cookie time

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:41:35am

re: #24 Sir John Barron

War veterans Ike, JFK and GWH Bush were real slackers I guess.

I think Tammy Duckworth pointed out on TV the other day that the Trump administration has yet to nominate a Chief Information Officer for the VA. And that office is responsible for things like the computer system that is currently not sending housing and education payments to veterans. She also mentioned that something similar happened during the Obama administration, and the VA secretary made sure checks were cut while the automated system was fixed.

But you know, these guys love the troops… as props.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:42:13am

re: #8 MsJ

The responses. I. Am. Dying. LOLOLOL!!!

The flip side is imagine picking any movie title and then imagining someone’s sex life around it. Blade Runner.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:42:18am

Yeah, I still hate people

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:42:47am
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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:42:59am

re: #31 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m honestly surprised that this sort of thing hasn’t happened more often.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:43:10am

So when the next Democratic President bans Fox News and other rightwing media, it will be a-ok, right?

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:44:24am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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With the follow-up lesson “Both Sides Are Wrong: A Guide To Writing Political Commentary.”

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:44:46am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

One of the topics is “Everyone hates [Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, insert name of Female Democratic leader]”.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:44:52am

re: #34 Patricia Kayden

So when the next Democratic President bans Fox News and other rightwing media, it will be a-ok, right?

Just ban OAN.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:45:17am

The movie question..
Call back to earlier..

Chitty Chitty Bang Bang..

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:45:52am

re: #34 Patricia Kayden

So when the next Democratic President bans Fox News and other rightwing media, it will be a-ok, right?

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OANN’s filing a “LOVE ME, DADDY!” brief in the hopes Donny will grant them an interview.

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William Lewis  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:46:15am

re: #13 Kragar

Less than zero

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CongoJack  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:46:37am

re: #27 dangerman

Space Jam
The Whole 9 Yards
re: #34 Patricia Kayden

So when the next Democratic President bans Fox News and other rightwing media, it will be a-ok, right?

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OANN is after FOX and by dog they want ‘em bad.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:46:54am

re: #37 Belafon

Just ban OAN.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:48:26am

re: #42 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Acosta’s actions are stopping our people from getting their questions answered, so that we can give our audience the real news direct from our President.

OAN must not be on Twitter.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:49:18am

re: #39 Targetpractice

OANN’s filing a “LOVE ME, DADDY!” brief in the hopes Donny will grant them an interview.

Court to OAN: Who are you?

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:49:33am

re: #36 Sir John Barron

One of the topics is “Everyone hates [Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, insert name of Female Democratic leader]”.

Guest lecture from Chuck Todd: “False Balance: How to Show Favoritism to Conservatives Without Breaking a Sweat.”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:49:50am
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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:50:24am

re: #46 Patricia Kayden

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No shit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:50:59am
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CongoJack  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:51:08am

re: #43 Sir John Barron

OAN must not be on Twitter.

I bet that they are on Gab

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:52:13am
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Kilroy was here  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:52:13am

Heat
Pacific Rim (don’t hurt me..)
The Great Dictator
Ed Wood
The good, the bad and the ugly

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:53:29am

Flake: “I’m totally gonna hold up judicial nominations if you don’t hold a vote on this bill!”

Mitch: “Yeah, that’s not happening.”

Flake: “Oh well, worth a shot. Let the good times roll!”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:54:18am

re: #52 Targetpractice

He’s so useless. He should just keep his mouth shut.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:54:20am
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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:54:25am

re: #40 William Lewis

Less than zero

well if were doing elvis costello songs ;-)

no action
i just dont know what to do with myself
miracle man
pump it up

omg every elvis song…..

and if we go steely dan:
the fez

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:54:53am

re: #43 Sir John Barron

OAN must not be on Twitter.

OANN Twitter

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:55:33am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Also:

{insert daily event here} is very bad for Democrats.

Swear to God…one of these was up at the Washington Post not 18 hours after the election how winning was bad for the dems.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:56:41am

re: #51 Kilroy was here

Heat
Pacific Rim (don’t hurt me..)
The Great Dictator
Ed Wood
The good, the bad and the ugly

for a few dollars more

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:58:05am

re: #51 Kilroy was here

Heat
Pacific Rim (don’t hurt me..)
The Great Dictator
Ed Wood
The good, the bad and the ugly

The Big Sleep

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 11:58:46am

re: #57 Scottish Dragon

Also:

{insert daily event here} is very bad for Democrats.

Swear to God…one of these was up at the Washington Post not 18 hours after the election how winning was bad for the dems.

trump builds wall - good for trump
trump doesnt build wall - good for trump

r’s lose 40 seats - good position for r’s
r’s gain 40 seats (if only) good position for r’s

yawn

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:02:04pm

Remembrance of Things Past.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:06:18pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

Flake: “I’m totally gonna hold up judicial nominations if you don’t hold a vote on this bill!”

Mitch: “Yeah, that’s not happening.”

Flake: “Oh well, worth a shot. Let the good times roll!”

Has Flake already caved? Has he voted yet on any of the nominees?

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:07:34pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We still have a Space X launch in about 40 minutes.

Es’hail-2 Mission

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:10:24pm

re: #54 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

….
Eli Clifton

@EliClifton
Document shows “liberal Democrat” Alan Dershowitz received $120K from anti-Muslim, Robert Mercer funded, Gatestone Institute bit.ly

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1:41 PM - Nov 15, 2018….

Dersh is a Netanyahu acolyte — so he doesn’t need bribes to spout anti-Muslim rhetoric.
Gatestone may have started funding him because he was already supporting their views publicly.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:11:09pm

No new statements since this one:

Also, the comments seem… nice.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:12:16pm

re: #62 Hecuba’s daughter

Has Flake already caved? Has he voted yet on any of the nominees?

Last I checked, there hasn’t been any votes yet.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:12:52pm

re: #65 KGxvi

No new statements since this one:

Also, the comments seem… nice.

That’s newer than yesterday, so he’s managed to hold the same thought for 24 hours.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:14:34pm

Meanwhile, in Florida:

Palm Beach County’s election supervisor said less than an hour before the 3 p.m. deadline that they would not finish the machine recount in any of three statewide races still in question and would move on to the manual recount at 4 p.m. The county’s results from election night will be added to the recount results from other counties. A manual recount of ballots rejected by machines is expected to be ordered in the Senate race, in which Gov. Rick Scott (R) leads Sen. Bill Nelson (D) by fewer than 13,000 votes.

Palm Beach County not completing the machine recount seems like an equal protection violation. I don’t understand how the response can be “oh well, on to the manual recount.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:17:03pm

re: #68 KGxvi

Meanwhile, in Florida:

Palm Beach County not completing the machine recount seems like an equal protection violation. I don’t understand how the response can be “oh well, on to the manual recount.”

Wasn’t the gap always in the <.25% manual recount territory? Why bother with a machine recount at all?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:17:56pm

re: #63 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

We still have a Space X launch in about 40 minutes.

Es’hail-2 Mission

Yes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:18:27pm
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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:18:57pm

re: #69 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wasn’t the gap always in the <.25% manual recount territory? Why bother with a machine recount at all?

There were three races needing recounts. The governor’s race, the Senate race, and the agriculture commissioner. The governor’s race was under .5% but over .25%. Plus, apparently they have to do the machine recount to confirm if it is within .25%.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:19:22pm

Rick Scott will win. Not sure about Desantis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:20:45pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:22:14pm
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MsJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:22:35pm

re: #69 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wasn’t the gap always in the <.25% manual recount territory? Why bother with a machine recount at all?

THAT is the question.

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:22:48pm

re: #50 Single-handed sailor

Thanks for the heads-up on the launch.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:27:00pm

re: #68 KGxvi

Meanwhile, in Florida:

Palm Beach County not completing the machine recount seems like an equal protection violation. I don’t understand how the response can be “oh well, on to the manual recount.”

i also dont see how any artificial deadline, even a state law, can have any merit

it takes as long as it takes
machinery problems or not
what if the voter volume was up another 20%
or a higher percentage of mail ins that required signature verification
or someone decided to be….really….careful…..and….really…..slow…….
it takes what it takes

and we’re only talking about post election day counting
not even the election day shenanigans of not enough voting booths, etc. which disfranchise people in other ways.

these deadlines are dumb

you make it to the polling place and are registered, you get to vote
all legitimate ballots get vetted and counted

how hard is that?
(yes i know, i know)

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:27:01pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

Flake: “I’m totally gonna hold up judicial nominations if you don’t hold a vote on this bill!”

Mitch: “Yeah, that’s not happening.”

Flake: “Oh well, worth a shot. Let the good times roll!”

Isn’t the real question about Flakey Flake’s claim about whether he holds up nominations?

Does he have the guts?

Or, will there be no nominations of judges before Flake leaves office, which means it was all theater anyway?

(I don’t know anything about upcoming judicial nominations…just getting a feel for facts)

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freetoken  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:27:44pm

A warning for those of you who plan on winning a future lottery jackpot: there is no end of people who will criticize you for what you do:

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:28:33pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

People should point and laugh. “You’re marching in a Kohl’s parking lot?”

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freetoken  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:30:15pm

And in an even sadder note, there is no end of needy people, who our society may have otherwise failed (because apparently it’s more important to give tax breaks to the rich rather than provide health care support), who will come after any winner in the hope of a handout:

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:31:54pm

re: #80 freetoken

A warning for those of you who plan on winning a future lottery jackpot: there is no end of people who will criticize you for what you do:

Perhaps she wants to draw attention to the foundation in Maine which she is helping to fund?

Or perhaps she wants to draw attention to the fact that veterans are not getting all the help that they need?

because putting a face and a story to a cause humanizes it
sometimes it has a tendency to cause others to act

what the hell is wrong with people?

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:32:20pm

Space X webcast is now live.

Es’hail-2 Mission

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freetoken  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:35:08pm

… and so on.

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:35:10pm

Space-X is now live.

Cool, this is the second launch of a previously used first stage launched last July. It will be the second controlled landing of this first stage.

Good luck!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:36:04pm

What’s the matter with Kansas?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:36:31pm

re: #85 freetoken

Fuck our fucking fucked up healthcare system.

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freetoken  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:39:25pm

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

Many of these sad stories are such that when one looks at them in the cold light of reality, the truth is painful - we’re all going to die, it’s just how painful or awkward that will be.

I for one believe our society’s number one priority ought to be that everyone in society get the help they need in their toughest moments.

To me that means if someone has a serious illness they ought not be bankrupted by it.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:40:13pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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With a Belgian FN rifle just like you see on the old Rhodesian Army posters. Not an accident.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:40:33pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

What’s the matter with Kansas?

noticed that he mentioned a gap in teeth was a sign of master race…I’d like to introduce him to Ms Abrams.

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Interesting Times  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:40:53pm

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

Indeed. But speaking of making said healthcare system at least a little less craptastic, I just remembered you live in Mississippi - have you considered volunteering for Mike Espy’s campaign in some form? A good-enough GOTV effort could help him pull off a Doug Jones-style upset.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:43:27pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

noticed that he mentioned a gap in teeth was a sign of master race…I’d like to introduce him to Ms Abrams.

or the late terry-thomas

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:44:34pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:46:27pm

Liftoff

spacex.com

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:46:50pm

re: #65 KGxvi

No new statements since this one:

Also, the comments seem… nice.

People who agree with McTurtle’s call for Democrats to agree to everything the GOP wants in a show of bipartisanship?

///

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:47:47pm

re: #95 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Liftoff

spacex.com

Max-Q
Vroom, no boom

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:48:06pm

re: #8 MsJ

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:48:28pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:50:16pm

Fairing separation confirmed.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:51:11pm

re: #96 Sir John Barron

People who agree with McTurtle’s call for Democrats to agree to everything the GOP wants in a show of bipartisanship?

///

When I used to listen to Limbaugh, like 15 years ago, his big thing was always that bipartisanship meant that Democrats get everything they want and Republicans had to go along with it. That’s been internalized on the right, I’m sure, and I suspect since they now have had extended runs with control of Congress, they must think that’s how it actually should be.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:51:15pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Districts won by Democrats account for 61% of American’s GDP ($10.2 trillion), districts won by Republicans account for 38% ($6.2 trillion).

more related to this from CNBC

Republicans represent the smaller, fading segment, with less-educated, more-homogenous work forces reliant on traditional manufacturing, agriculture and resource extraction. Democrats represent the larger, growing one, fueled by finance, professional services and digital innovation in diverse urban areas.”

conservatives - what are they conserving?

i’d rather be on the side of progress

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:52:39pm

Reentry burn.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:54:45pm

Landing Burn.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:55:08pm

Successful landing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:55:18pm

Falcon on the boat (Of course I still love you)

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:56:24pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

What’s the matter with Kansas?

Probably something in the meth

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:56:28pm

re: #105 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Successful landing.

It’s too bad we didn’t get to see the complete landing procedure. But they stuck it, so that is good.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 12:59:48pm

re: #108 ObserverArt

It’s too bad we didn’t get to see the complete landing procedure. But they stuck it, so that is good.

Yep. I want to see more Falcon Heavy landings. Putting two of those suckers down at the same time was awesome.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:00:56pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

What’s the matter with Kansas?

They just elected a Democrat as governor and don’t know what to do with themselves.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:01:39pm

re: #98 GlutenFreeJesus

I was going to stop.. but..

They were expendable
Tall in the saddle
The night riders
Pals of the Saddle
Westward Ho
Miracle in Motion
The Longest Day

(All Movies John Wayne was in)

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:02:27pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

What’s the matter with Kansas?

“I don’t care if you masterb—-.” (Not gonna type that at work.)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:07:24pm

re: #85 freetoken

… and so on.

Ms. West’s $343 million jackpot would be a drop in the bucket compared to the need. By all means, help individuals when you can, but money spent changing the system will be far more effective in the long run.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:08:15pm

he is so full of shit

sooooo much shit…

been 23 minutes since that last tweet, guess he’s still gathering his thoughts.

LOL. I crack myself up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:09:13pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I see that Melonie is still wearing furniture upholstery.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:10:29pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:10:33pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is so full of shit

been 23 minutes since that last tweet, guess he’s still gathering his thoughts.

LOL. I crack myself up.

Missed you in Vietnam, Donald. May Ted Nugent shit on your bone spurs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:10:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:12:57pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:13:03pm

SES 2 completed.

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TedStriker  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:13:31pm

re: #27 dangerman

sudden impact
blazing saddles
octopussy
for your eyes only
in like flint
inside moves

Slap Shot

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:14:01pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I see that Melonie is still wearing furniture upholstery.

I think Volkswagen used that in their seats.

Back in 1975 in the Rabbits.

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freetoken  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:14:19pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ms. West’s $343 million jackpot would be a drop in the bucket compared to the need.

Cash value was $198M. Minus 37% federal tax and 7% (I think) Iowa state tax leaves about 111M. The winner has already set up a foundation in the name of her deceased grandson, to help those who suffer likewise.

She’s probably one of the more generous rich people around, it appears.

The NY guy who won the other half of the jackpot came forward yesterday. He also took the present cash value. He’s a retired federal employee, whose mother is still alive, so he wants to buy her a place to live.

Both of these winners are far better people than the rich and famous Trump draws into his circle.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:14:46pm

SECO 2 completed. About 4 minutes to payload separation.

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retired cynic  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:17:16pm

A couple of good columns:

The Rude Pundit: Donald Trump’s Sould is Troubled

Nancy LeTourneau: Poetic Justice for Native Americans in North Dakota

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:19:08pm

and your point, little dickbag?

127
Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:19:29pm

Deployment confirmed. Space X does it again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:20:02pm
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Interesting Times  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:21:14pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

What does that mean in practical terms, though…?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:23:46pm

re: #129 Interesting Times

sounds, to me, like they have to count every vote and can’t just stop based on an arbitrary deadline.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:23:55pm

re: #129 Interesting Times

What does that mean in practical terms, though…?

It likely means that Palm Beach County would need to be given more time to finish its machine recount so that its voters are on the same standing as voters in the other 66 counties.

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Jay C  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:24:43pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is so full of shit

been 23 minutes since that last tweet, guess he’s still gathering his thoughts.

LOL. I crack myself up.

Wait, wut?
Trump is bragging about cutting 3600 government employees (?? presumably at the VA ??) - ostensibly for “mistreating veterans”??
SRSLY, WTF?

133
Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:25:20pm

re: #99 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

He’s going to get 20-25 years, good. I was afraid he might get a light sentence.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:26:55pm

Move along. No bigotry here to see, folks. Move along, move along.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:27:13pm

re: #129 Interesting Times

What does that mean in practical terms, though…?

Follow up answer, after reading the whole order:

There wasn’t enough evidence for the court to grant a preliminary injunction. My guess is that, assuming Palm Beach County didn’t get its results in on time, Nelson can go back to court and ask for an order that requires the county to finish the machine recount and for the Secretary of State to accept the results after the deadline.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:28:24pm

re: #134 DodgerFan1988

JFC… these people

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Dr. Matt  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:28:43pm

re: #116 Patricia Kayden

With NBC News now projecting that Dem Jared Golden has ousted incumbent GOP Rep. Bruce Poliquin in Maine-2, this means the partisan tally for New England House seats will be:

Dems: 21
Repubs: 0

Of the 12 US Senate seats in New England, 1 will be GOP-held:
Susan Collins.

— Rachel Maddow MSNBC (@maddow) November 15, 2018

Donnie’s nearly “complete victory” is even more victorious.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:40:38pm

re: #134 DodgerFan1988

Move along. No bigotry here to see, folks. Move along, move along.

He probably had his bedsheets and hood on when he drew it!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:40:54pm

re: #78 dangerman

i also dont see how any artificial deadline, even a state law, can have any merit

it takes as long as it takes
machinery problems or not
what if the voter volume was up another 20%
or a higher percentage of mail ins that required signature verification
or someone decided to be….really….careful…..and….really…..slow…….
it takes what it takes

and we’re only talking about post election day counting
not even the election day shenanigans of not enough voting booths, etc. which disfranchise people in other ways.

these deadlines are dumb

you make it to the polling place and are registered, you get to vote
all legitimate ballots get vetted and counted

how hard is that?
(yes i know, i know)

We learned in 2000 that arbitrary deadlines made up for the occasion are sacred and supersede every other consideration.

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:51:40pm

re: #134 DodgerFan1988

Move along. No bigotry here to see, folks. Move along, move along.

No surprise to me. The surprise to me would be Garrison not doing these wingnut cartoons.

And surely, that is not going to happen.

Old phrase: Haters got to hate.

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:52:25pm

‘Wintry mix,’ they said. ‘Rain mixed with snow,’ they said.

I’ve got 3 inches of ‘wintry mix’ on my driveway and it’s still coming down.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:53:18pm

re: #111 Kilroy was here

I was going to stop.. but..

They were expendable
Tall in the saddle
The night riders
Pals of the Saddle
Westward Ho
Miracle in Motion
The Longest Day

(All Movies John Wayne was in)

the quiet man

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:53:52pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:54:42pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

WA-9 (where I live) is ahead of WA-7 (where Seattle is?) SRSLY?

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:56:01pm

re: #139 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

We learned in 2000 that arbitrary deadlines made up for the occasion are sacred and supersede every other consideration.

The 2000 recount was such a shitshow there was a very real chance that Florida wasn’t even going to be able to participate in the electoral college.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:57:38pm

re: #145 KGxvi

The 2000 recount was such a shitshow there was a very real chance that Florida wasn’t even going to be able to participate in the electoral college.

Wouldn’t that have been just awful?

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:57:51pm

re: #121 TedStriker

Slap Shot

in the heat of the night

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2018 • 1:59:38pm

re: #146 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I should add that they got to participate in the Electoral College in 1876, when they had no popular vote at all, so turnabout and all that….

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:00:44pm

re: #129 Interesting Times

What does that mean in practical terms, though…?

you cant not count all the votes because you are taking too long or things went wrong

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:00:55pm

re: #147 dangerman

in the heat of the night

I can not believe no one has said it yet:
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:01:42pm
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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:02:57pm

re: #146 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wouldn’t that have been just awful?

Depends on how you feel about a state not getting to participate in the election of a president, I suppose.

Of course, it probably would have been the end of the electoral college as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:04:31pm

nothing to see here folks.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:05:46pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can not believe no one has said it yet:
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming

a literal laugh out loud here!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:05:55pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:06:22pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

nothing to see here folks.

The vice president’s office says Pence raised the issue of Russian election meddling.

Meaning why didn’t they do a better job this time, and what about 2020?

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:06:45pm

re: #125 retired cynic

A couple of good columns:

The Rude Pundit: Donald Trump’s Sould is Troubled

Nancy LeTourneau: Poetic Justice for Native Americans in North Dakota

on the second one:

In other words, attempts by Republicans in North Dakota to suppress the Native American vote backfired rather spectacularly.

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:07:14pm

re: #141 makeitstop

‘Wintry mix,’ they said. ‘Rain mixed with snow,’ they said.

I’ve got 3 inches of ‘wintry mix’ on my driveway and it’s still coming down.

We got your wintry mix right here buddy!

Sloppy day in Columbus. A little ice in the morning, then some sleet, then rain. Now it is still raining, but the temps will be going down so we will be reversing and going from the current rain to sleet to snow.

At least it appears there will be a slight warming to the 40s+ in the daytime this weekend and all next week.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:08:47pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can not believe no one has said it yet:
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming

All Quiet on the Western Front
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:09:21pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

OFFS I am so sick of the shit this woman is taking.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:09:38pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:10:04pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:10:20pm

for the record, I’m in the camp that thinks naming winter storms is stupid

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Jay C  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:10:50pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

WA-9 (where I live) is ahead of WA-7 (where Seattle) is? SRSLY?

Geez: I see by this chart that I live in the top-GDP-district in the whole country (NY-12).
It’s the middle of Manhattan though: I guess there are enough folks living and earning here to make up for me…. ;)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:11:29pm
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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:11:33pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

for the record, I’m in the camp that thinks naming winter storms is stupid

Why name hurricanes?

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:12:37pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

nothing to see here folks.

Face The Nation ✔
@FaceTheNation
Russian leader Vladimir Putin chatted today with @VP Mike Pence on the sidelines of the #ASEAN summit in Singapore.

The vice president’s office says Pence raised the issue of Russian election meddling.

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9:01 AM - Nov 15, 2018

Pence probable: Where were you guys? We got hammered in the House of Rep elections!!!

Vlad: Hehehehehe. We own Trump. That was a reminder.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:12:44pm

I saw an interesting point regarding Beto’s run: There was another former House Rep who had a failed Senate run, but went on to become president: Abraham Lincoln.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:20:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:21:40pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gee it’s almost like right wing bs incited this guy. Not that he doesn’t bear ultimate responsibility but the right wing bs that spread to these guys is definitely responsible for this shit too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:22:01pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:23:55pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is exactly what Bowers posted on social media before he went and massacred those people.

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TedStriker  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:24:49pm

re: #157 dangerman

on the second one:

It did work just well enough to get Heitkamp out of office, though.

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NetworkKed  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:26:20pm

If I understand correctly, the problem in 2000 was that there effectively was no plan for a statewide recount, so the Gore campaign pushed for a selection of counties to be recounted, and for specific standards for how disputed votes (hi there hanging chads) would be assessed. The Bush campaign appealed (and also submitted their own map and standards) and it was early December before it got to the Supreme Court, with most vote counting suspended in the meantime.

Through a moderately perverted reading of “equal protection” the conservative majority decided that to protect everyone’s votes equally, the only viable option was to do no recounting at all since there was insufficient time to design and implement a plan for recounting ALL votes in the state. So no recount, initial results stand, Bush gets the EVs.

So in the meantime, Florida has passed several laws controlling recounts - the thresholds for machine and hand recounts, which have been tested since for local races at least. But there are legislative and functional limits on how long those recounts can last. Also Dems have very heavily focussed on getting their voters out in early and absentee voting since 2008, and that tends to extend the time needed to count. And Repub laws forcing ID verification have resulted in increased provisional ballots, which are a grind to resolve.

This has all sort of collided this year - and the Bush v Gore precedent gets applied in an ironically opposite way - since the entire state has the plan and facility to carry off the recount well before functional deadlines, the conflict has become that there are other laws which restrict how long those recounts take. Some localities can’t seem to meet those goals, which leads to the rulings publicized today.

I will say that there has to be something going wrong in some places here - something that’s dramatically slowing the counts in the most populous counties. This very likely could be gross underfunding or problematic regulations, but I’m not willing to rule out incompetence, either. There really needs to be some sort of independent audit of why the delays are happening.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:30:10pm

re: #174 NetworkKed

That’s more or less my understanding of the situation. Broward is apparently notorious for being bad/slow at counting ballots. I’m not sure what the deal is with Palm Beach

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Alephnaught  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:31:42pm

re: #8 MsJ

The responses. I. Am. Dying. LOLOLOL!!!

Ha ha, like the “Cool Hand Luke” reference.

Of course, mine is “Shortbus”.

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NetworkKed  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:32:53pm

re: #175 KGxvi

The pics that showed up on Twitter of a virtually empty counting facility really make me wonder if there isn’t some snafu like “the elections department can only authorize 40 hours of overtime or temporary hires per week” or some such.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:33:45pm

re: #166 Belafon

Why name hurricanes?

noaa:

the use of short, easily remembered names in written as well as spoken communications is quicker and reduces confusion when two or more tropical storms occur at the same time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:34:31pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

OFFS I am so sick of the shit this woman is taking.

Seriously. I don’t have much but I have a few really nice things I’m proud of, including a somewhat pricey cold weather jacket and a couple of nice blazers for job interviews and the like.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:36:59pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

OFFS I am so sick of the shit this woman is taking.

She does seem to be pissing off the right people. Even though I suspect I disagree with her quite a bit on an ideological level, I hope she has a long career in politics.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:37:44pm

re: #179 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously. I don’t have much but I have a few really nice things I’m proud of, including a somewhat pricey cold weather jacket and a couple of nice blazers for job interviews and the like.

It’s ridiculous sexist bs.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:41:07pm

re: #174 NetworkKed

If I understand correctly, the problem in 2000 was that there effectively was no plan for a statewide recount, so the Gore campaign pushed for a selection of counties to be recounted, and for specific standards for how disputed votes (hi there hanging chads) would be assessed. The Bush campaign appealed (and also submitted their own map and standards) and it was early December before it got to the Supreme Court, with most vote counting suspended in the meantime.

Through a moderately perverted reading of “equal protection” the conservative majority decided that to protect everyone’s votes equally, the only viable option was to do no recounting at all since there was insufficient time to design and implement a plan for recounting ALL votes in the state. So no recount, initial results stand, Bush gets the EVs.

So in the meantime, Florida has passed several laws controlling recounts - the thresholds for machine and hand recounts, which have been tested since for local races at least. But there are legislative and functional limits on how long those recounts can last. Also Dems have very heavily focussed on getting their voters out in early and absentee voting since 2008, and that tends to extend the time needed to count. And Repub laws forcing ID verification have resulted in increased provisional ballots, which are a grind to resolve.

This has all sort of collided this year - and the Bush v Gore precedent gets applied in an ironically opposite way - since the entire state has the plan and facility to carry off the recount well before functional deadlines, the conflict has become that there are other laws which restrict how long those recounts take. Some localities can’t seem to meet those goals, which leads to the rulings publicized today.

I will say that there has to be something going wrong in some places here - something that’s dramatically slowing the counts in the most populous counties. This very likely could be gross underfunding or problematic regulations, but I’m not willing to rule out incompetence, either. There really needs to be some sort of independent audit of why the delays are happening.

extra ++. very well done

as for the bolded part, as i’ve been saying. None of those reasons/excuses/whatever are on the voter. they are on management.

no otherwise correctly submitted ballot should be disfranchised or ignored
the voter did his/her part

all ballots matter and all must be given equal protection and processing

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:41:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:41:35pm

re: #180 KGxvi

She does seem to be pissing off the right people. Even though I suspect I disagree with her quite a bit on an ideological level, I hope she has a long career in politics.

She does. Honestly I’m interested in seeing what she can bring. I don’t agree with her that socialism is the answer but the attacks on her intelligence and questioning her upbringing wouldn’t be happening to a man or someone not questioning our economics.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:41:59pm
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William Lewis  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:42:17pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

for the record, I’m in the camp that thinks naming winter storms is stupid

I like to call the stations and ask “What’s up with Winter Storm Stupid Name?”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:43:19pm

I’m having trouble breathing

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:44:10pm

and they’ve gone into overtime

“An unprecedented statewide hand recount is now under way in the Sunshine State, further extending a high-stakes, partisan battle over every last vote in Florida’s crucial U.S. Senate race,” the Miami Herald reports.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:44:12pm

New Bob Cesca Show

Count Of Monte Crisco

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CarolJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:44:17pm

re: #179 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, these guys know nothing about what is happening with women’s fashions these days. Consignments, an excess of second-hand clothing means that it’s possible to get a pretty extensive wardrobe for a lot less than you think. And in NYC, it’s probably even better odds than that. Let’s not forget she has friends who can give her clothes too.

I’ts the whole right-wing out of touchness that gets me about everything, especially about financially challenged people. They ask, why can they afford such nice stuff? One, China, folks. Secondly, one ironic benefit of the aging of the Baby Boom has been downsizing, which has made a lot of stuff available that is barely used. I”ve been a beneficiary of both things from furniture, to my mom’s wardrobe, to household appliances that are cheaper than before. The real issues are things that can’t be so easily secondhanded like housing, medical bills, and student loans. Which is what Ocasio is concerned with.

Clothes are easy, housing is hard, which is one of the things she campaigned on. The stock of second-hand housing is being gentrified out of existence, moving very poor people out to suburbs that have poor mass transit, if not on the streets.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:45:03pm

re: #187 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m having trouble breathing

Yeah okay Scott. Keep on telling yourself that enough people weren’t fed up with your crap.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:47:19pm

just as a general observation, so many races were soooo razor thin close…..

of course it points out how evenly divided things are in a lot of places

don’t tell me your one vote doesnt count
it makes clear every goddamn vote counts

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:47:21pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

And, as I understand it, few if any of those high-paid jobs will go to locals.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:48:31pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Yeah okay Scott. Keep on telling yourself that enough people weren’t fed up with your crap.

it wasnt a rejection
i just got less votes

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:49:03pm

re: #185 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Scott must be throwing a fit. LOL. Good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:50:06pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, as I understand it, few if any of those high-paid jobs will go to locals.

As I understand it, one reason for choosing the NY and VA locations was that there’s already considerable local talent. So, yeah, a lot of high-paid jobs will go to locals - locals who are already employed at high-paid jobs.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:51:49pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, as I understand it, few if any of those high-paid jobs will go to locals.

Maybe that’s the answer to my #144: WA-9 has a higher GDP than WA-7 because this is where Amazon’s new headquarters is. Seattle (by an actual vote) essentially gave them the South Lake Union area, but I guess they outgrew that….

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:51:53pm

re: #187 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“In no way did I see it as a rejection”

Dude. You didn’t win. Your opponent did.

That’s the very definition of ‘rejection.’

Someone buy Scotty a dictionary.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:52:46pm

re: #198 makeitstop

“I wasn’t rejected by white people.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:52:55pm
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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:54:02pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

She does. Honestly I’m interested in seeing what she can bring. I don’t agree with her that socialism is the answer but the attacks on her intelligence and questioning her upbringing wouldn’t be happening to a man or someone not questioning our economics.

I’m starting to believe our economic system is in for major changes in the next 2-3 decades, particularly because of AI.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:55:36pm

re: #188 dangerman

Also the agriculture commissioner, which apparently is responsible for CCW permits in Florida because… Florida.

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:55:53pm

re: #190 CarolJ

Also, these guys know nothing about what is happening with women’s fashions these days. Consignments, an excess of second-hand clothing means that it’s possible to get a pretty extensive wardrobe for a lot less than you think. And in NYC, it’s probably even better odds than that. Let’s not forget she has friends who can give her clothes too.

Exactly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:55:58pm

re: #201 KGxvi

I’m starting to believe our economic system is in for major changes in the next 2-3 decades, particularly because of AI.

That is assuming our new AI overlords allow us to survive…

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:57:18pm

re: #204 Blind Frog Belly White

That is assuming our new AI overlords allow us to survive…

well, they need us as batteries.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:57:24pm

re: #201 KGxvi

I’m starting to believe our economic system is in for major changes in the next 2-3 decades, particularly because of AI.

Definitely. More is being computerized.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:57:48pm
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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:59:24pm

re: #200 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Trump Warns That Florida Recount Could Set Dangerous Precedent of Person with Most Votes Winning

satire…. but only just

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:59:35pm

re: #203 makeitstop

Somehow I knew even before checking that this grinning jackass Eddie Scarry worked for either the Daily Caller or the Washington Examiner.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 2:59:44pm

Unofficial results of the machine recount for governor in Florida. Just under 34k votes.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:00:53pm

I love that these right wing internet tough guys are threatened and triggered by Ocasio-Cortez.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:01:45pm

re: #210 KGxvi

Unofficial results of the machine recount for governor in Florida. Just under 34k votes.

Yeah, this wasn’t gonna flip, absent some unthinkably huge error.

Props to Gillum for his campaign, though, and fuck DeSantis, the racist bastard.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:02:52pm

re: #212 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, this wasn’t gonna flip, absent some unthinkably huge error.

Props to Gillum for his campaign, though, and fuck DeSantis, the racist bastard.

Sucks there’s not a Senate seat up for another four years. I’d love to see Rubio lose.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:03:21pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

Posted by someone so well off he’s never heard of sales. Or closeouts. (I refer you to my London Fog jacket.)

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:03:32pm

re: #212 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, this wasn’t gonna flip, absent some unthinkably huge error.

Props to Gillum for his campaign, though, and fuck DeSantis, the racist bastard.

Interestingly, there was an undervote in the Senate race compared to the governor’s race of 34,023 votes. Not sure what that means, exactly, but given the difference in the Senate race is only 12,602 votes, it could mean a lot of misread ballots.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:04:46pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Sucks there’s not a Senate seat up for another four years. I’d love to see Rubio lose.

Maybe Trump will try to appoint Rubio as ambassador to Cuba before 2020?

(Let’s be realistic, Trump isn’t going to appoint any ambassadors that he hasn’t already, nor is he going to appoint anyone other than cabinet level officials)

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Scout  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:05:45pm

I’m appalled. I know it’s just par for the course, but I’m appalled nonetheless. From NBC News:

To ease Turkish pressure on Saudis over killing, White House weighs expelling Erdogan foe

“Once they realized it was a serious request, the career guys were furious,” a U.S. official said of request tied to Khashoggi killing.

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:06:19pm

re: #210 KGxvi

Unofficial results of the machine recount for governor in Florida. Just under 34k votes.

gillum won 13 counties outright *
desantis 54

and it’s still that close

* Broward, Miami-Dade, Orange, Palm Beach, Hillsborough, Leon, Alachua, Osceola, Duval, Pinellas, Gadsden, St. Lucie, Seminole

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:07:11pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

I love that these right wing internet tough guys are threatened and triggered by Ocasio-Cortez.

she’s 29 and a us congressperson
i’m betting she’s not paying them any attention at all

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:08:54pm

re: #215 KGxvi

Interestingly, there was an undervote in the Senate race compared to the governor’s race of 34,023 votes. Not sure what that means, exactly, but given the difference in the Senate race is only 12,602 votes, it could mean a lot of misread ballots.

If I remember correctly, speculation is that the design of the ballot led to the Senate race being ignored because it was right next to the voting instructions. I can’t remember if that was the Florida or Texas ballot, but I thought it was Florida.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:12:05pm

re: #216 KGxvi

Maybe Trump will try to appoint Rubio as ambassador to Cuba before 2020?

(Let’s be realistic, Trump isn’t going to appoint any ambassadors that he hasn’t already, nor is he going to appoint anyone other than cabinet level officials)

Yeah he seems to recycle his garbage cabinet as I call it.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:12:22pm

re: #219

she’s 29 and a us congressperson
i’m betting she’s not paying them any attention at all

You forgot the most important thing: she’s a guuurl.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:13:02pm

re: #218 dangerman

gillum won 13 counties outright *
desantis 54

and it’s still that close

* Broward, Miami-Dade, Orange, Palm Beach, Hillsborough, Leon, Alachua, Osceola, Duval, Pinellas, Gadsden, St. Lucie, Seminole

It’s sort of like the electoral college. Desantis won more counties, but they were smaller populations. Same thing happens here in California, Cox won 27 of 58 counties, yet lost by 2m votes.

As a side note, for as happy as we are about Orange County, California possibly sending no Republicans to Congress, it did still vote for Cox 51-49 (which is probably the closest gubernatorial election in Orange County in forever).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:13:03pm

re: #215 KGxvi

Interestingly, there was an undervote in the Senate race compared to the governor’s race of 34,023 votes. Not sure what that means, exactly, but given the difference in the Senate race is only 12,602 votes, it could mean a lot of misread ballots.

That could all be down to ballot design. Column 1 of the ballot in Broward was the usual instructions, but then at the bottom is the Senate race. The top of Column 2 is the Govvernor’s race. It could be that 34,023 people just didn’t look at the bottom of column 1.

Nelson’s holding out hope that the machines didn’t read the Senate race properly, which a hand recount would reveal, since it looks at undervotes and overvotes.

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CarolJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:14:36pm

re: #220 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Which is one reason to have an official template for ballots. The differences would be technical ones: a template for scanners, a template for hand-counted, a template for mail ballots, et cetera. We have them for letters, for post cards, for greeting cards, et cetera, why not for this? That local officials have even the need, let alone the responsibility for designing a ballot form is ridiculous.

Disappointed in the outcome for Gillum. He will be back in 4 years, either for Governor again or facing Rubio. Neither DeSantis or Rubio will get any better with age or govern in a way that makes them more popular.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:15:22pm
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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:16:07pm

re: #225 CarolJ

Which is one reason to have an official template for ballots. The differences would be technical ones: a template for scanners, a template for hand-counted, a template for mail ballots, et cetera. We have them for letters, for post cards, for greeting cards, et cetera, why not for this? That local officials have even the need, let alone the responsibility for designing a ballot form is ridiculous.

Disappointed in the outcome for Gillum. He will be back in 4 years, either for Governor again or facing Rubio. Neither DeSantis or Rubio will get any better with age or govern in a way that makes them more popular.

Plus Amendment 4 is likely going to reshape the Florida electorate when people have their voting rights restored.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:16:57pm

re: #222 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

You forgot the most important thing: she’s a guuurl.

She’s young, female, Latina, and questioning the status quo economically. I’m not surprised she gets the condescending crap she gets. It’s just so telling.

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:18:23pm

re: #192 dangerman

just as a general observation, so many races were soooo razor thin close…..

of course it points out how evenly divided things are in a lot of places

don’t tell me your one vote doesnt count
it makes clear every goddamn vote counts

Are they really that close?

Or, are they artificially close due to all the gerrymandering.

I keep hearing that here in Ohio if the extreme gerrymandering had not taken place, there is a good chance we would have way more Democrats both in the US Congress (Reps) and in the Ohio General Assembly/state government.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:21:05pm

*THUD*

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:22:24pm

re: #229 ObserverArt

Are they really that close?

Or, are they artificially close due to all the gerrymandering.

I keep hearing that here in Ohio if the extreme gerrymandering had not taken place, there is a good chance we would have way more Democrats both in the US Congress (Reps) and in the Ohio General Assembly/state government.

It’s hard to say. Some of the result may simply be a rejection of Trump and in 4 years with a Democrat in the White House we could see some of these seats swing back. We might even see some swing back in 2 years if voters reject Trump and split their tickets.

Some of it may be real realignment playing out over the course of a few election cycles.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:24:29pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does she not understand how video cameras and smartphones work? I mean this is so far beyond saying the quiet part out loud.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:25:01pm

6-8 inches in Northern NJ. 4-6 inches of heavy tree-breaking snow in NYC proper.

4 hour delays at the airports.
multihour delays on the bridges and tunnels.
Multihour delays for the Port Authority Bus Terminal (basically wall to wall people; no cell service, no buses, and no sign of improvement).
Mass transit is a mess.

And there’s a death toll too.

Oh, and the forecasters were warning this morning that if the cold air stuck around, we’d get hammered - it was all about the temps. It stayed colder, which meant the moist air dumped the precip as snow, not rain.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:26:05pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:27:53pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Sucks there’s not a Senate seat up for another four years. I’d love to see Rubio lose.

Just like we have to suffer Rob Portman until 2022. I hope the Democrats can come up with a decent candidate to take him on.

Hmmm. I wonder if Tim Ryan would give that a shot. I am not a big fan of his, but he has the politics that might be enough to attract all the independents Trump has created and swing some Republicans.

Portman is going to be tough to bring down.

FUCK! Ari just reporting Broward missed their deadline by 2 minutes, so all of the efforts will be for naught and the original count will stand I guess.

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MsJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:28:04pm

re: #176 Alephnaught

My computer decided to submit before adding the tweet. Wee…it’s becoming sentient.

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MsJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:28:25pm

re: #236 MsJ

This one is my favorite. Not the move, this response. I literally laughed for like 5 minutes. And every time I would stop laughing, I would look at the screen again and see that emoticon and, I was done, laughing all over again.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:28:48pm

re: #234 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m dying. That is awesome.

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CarolJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:29:53pm

re: #231 KGxvi

If the Republican Party had been a somewhat moderate right party like one headed by Romney or even Jeb, maybe there would have been a little swing back in 2 years. But #ETTD, everything Trump touches dies. And one of the things that he’s killed is a decent concern with everyday lives and real life concerns. Pizzagate, flirting with Nazis, scary caravans doesn’t pave roads or pay for health care. Also the fact that the head of the Republican Party is bat-shit crazy and getting crazier reinforces the need to build a wall between that party and you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:30:31pm

re: #234 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

the ratio is stunning

I like it

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:30:35pm

I’m putting this in another new comment so it stands out.

FUCK! Ari just reporting Broward missed their deadline by 2 minutes, so all of the efforts will be for naught and the original count will stand I guess.

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Scout  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:31:14pm

Interesting article on Vox:

Why racist politics appeals to white women, explained by American history

… white women have “invested in white supremacy because their whiteness affords them a particular kind of power that their gender does not.” If Democrats want to understand — and change — the political behavior of white women, they’ll need to understand how they’ve been both empowered and disempowered since the country was founded, and how that dual status affects their politics today.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:36:12pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

I’m putting this in another new comment so it stands out.

FUCK! Ari just reporting Broward missed their deadline by 2 minutes, so all of the efforts will be for naught and the original count will stand I guess.

That’s got to be challenged.

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:38:54pm

re: #243 KGxvi

That’s got to be challenged.

Ari is talking about that right now.

But, as crazy as it has been this will just increase the whole shit storm that is Florida elections.

What a freaking damn mess.

Florida should be embarrassed.

I feel bad for the Parkland students. This is a slap in their faces and all their efforts.

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mmmirele  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:39:15pm

Here’s a picture of Eddie Scarry, the goof who decided Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez was dressing above her station:

This is going to be my biggest ever tweet, I can predict it now. And all because of a (TRUE, IMHO) quip about how Scarry’s tie is made out of ’80s dress fabric.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:41:49pm

re: #244 ObserverArt

Ari is talking about that right now.

But, as crazy as it has been this will just increase the whole shit storm that is Florida elections.

What a freaking damn mess.

Florida should be embarrassed.

I feel bad for the Parkland students. This is a slap in their faces and all their efforts.

Do we know how much of a change, if any, there was from the initial count?

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:45:45pm

Nevermind, found the info:

The recount showed about 2,500 fewer votes in each race, with Democratic candidates losing about 1,300 votes each and Republicans losing about 600 votes.

Apparently, the overcount was due to a “comingling of ballots.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:46:36pm

re: #245 mmmirele

Here’s a picture of Eddie Scarry, the goof who decided Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez was dressing above her station:

This is going to be my biggest ever tweet, I can predict it now. And all because of a (TRUE, IMHO) quip about how Scarry’s tie is made out of ’80s dress fabric.

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piratedan  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:55:28pm

re: #55 dangerman

equally acceptable….

Lip Service
This Years Girl
Temptation
I can’t Stand Up For Falling Down….

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:56:36pm

re: #246 KGxvi

Do we know how much of a change, if any, there was from the initial count?

Don’t know.

Now a reporter that was in the recount room said it was missed due to the person responsible not knowing how to upload the results and work the computer.

And there is a Scott campaign guy saying “the dog never eats your homework” and saying they didn’t make the deadline because Scott had a 700+ advantage. He is saying it is more Broward messing about.

I am going to switch to watching sports, too much politics bumming me out.

251
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:56:43pm

teehee

252
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 3:59:38pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

uh huh…go with that, Cindy…

O_o

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:03:11pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

So they’re going to make the central argument that Espy was acquitted on all 30 criminal counts relating to corruption, after the government spent twenty million dollars on the case? In 1997?

That’s a helluva deflection from the racist bullshit she’s been spouting, as a joke or not.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:06:43pm

OK

The money-laundering indictment that initially involved Newsweek’s parent company IBT Media has been widened by the Manhattan district attorney’s office to include fundamentalist Christian college Olivet University and many of its top officers.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:08:08pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth
Lordy. It is astounding that an adult can live with that shit SO engrained in their soul that they don’t even feel bad or ashamed of it. I have some shit problems in my life, but I feel like I am just damned fine compared to that nasty mess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:08:45pm
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MsJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:09:06pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:11:51pm

I shall let the chips fall were they may.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:14:17pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scott and Flake stop the nomination. Let’s see if Flake really lives up to his “no judicial votes” rhetoric

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freetoken  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:16:00pm

re: #259 KGxvi

Let’s see if Flake really lives up to his “no judicial votes” rhetoric

You’ve got to be kidding.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:16:38pm
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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:17:01pm

re: #260 freetoken

You’ve got to be kidding.

I am the hoper of impossible hopes…

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fern01  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:17:29pm

re: #116 Patricia Kayden

And someone else has probably said it - come 2021 Susan Collins will be quite concerned as to why she lost the election.

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gocart mozart  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:17:30pm

Who is Eddie Scary?
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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:19:26pm

re: #263 fern01

And someone else has probably said it - come 2021 Susan Collins will be quite concerned as to why she lost the election.

I’d lay even money odds that when she makes a decision on seeking re-election she decides to spend more time with her grandkids and dogs.

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MsJ  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:20:07pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:24:25pm

re: #123 freetoken

Cash value was $198M. Minus 37% federal tax and 7% (I think) Iowa state tax leaves about 111M. The winner has already set up a foundation in the name of her deceased grandson, to help those who suffer likewise.

She’s probably one of the more generous rich people around, it appears.

The NY guy who won the other half of the jackpot came forward yesterday. He also took the present cash value. He’s a retired federal employee, whose mother is still alive, so he wants to buy her a place to live.

Both of these winners are far better people than the rich and famous Trump draws into his circle.

I am not in any way, shape, form or fashion criticizing these people and I am well aware of how the jackpot amounts are reduced in the real world. There was no reason for me to include that peripheral analysis to make my point, which is that private charity is no substitute for a system that does not ruin people for being ill.
Libertarians suggest that we can rely on such solutions, just as they suggest that soup kitchens and privately financed shelters are the solution to homelessness. I believe otherwise but that does not keep me from being the top contributor to our church homeless ministry, which includes medical assistance, as well as to the Democratic Party in this county. I have not said so in public before, but I also bought my friend and fellow veteran Charlie a house, so he can live out his final years in some kind of dignity.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:29:50pm

re: #266 MsJ

Owning the libs by keeping a mentally unstable guy potus.

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fern01  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:36:25pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Got to be Don Jnr - got himself a big positive writeup in WaPo today

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fern01  Nov 15, 2018 • 4:49:04pm

re: #210 KGxvi

Unofficial results of the machine recount for governor in Florida. Just under 34k votes.

Is this the recount that may provide information on the undervote for senator which some thought was because of the ballot design & others maybe the machine count missed the votes? Or was that for governor?

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plansbandc  Nov 15, 2018 • 5:04:40pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

I am not a big fan, but she triggers the hell out of my annoying Libertarian friend. :D

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 5:07:10pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

Yeah he seems to recycle his garbage cabinet as I call it.

he still cant get anyone new to work for him

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dangerman  Nov 15, 2018 • 5:09:25pm

re: #229 ObserverArt

Are they really that close?

Or, are they artificially close due to all the gerrymandering.

I keep hearing that here in Ohio if the extreme gerrymandering had not taken place, there is a good chance we would have way more Democrats both in the US Congress (Reps) and in the Ohio General Assembly/state government.

i dont disagree that if registration, election day distribution of equipment, and yes gerrymandering etc were different that the results would be way different

im just saying as things stand, because things are so close, every single additional D vote counts


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