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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 19, 2018 • 8:49:47pm

Trump boots two more reporters out of his press conferences…

And he wants to boot that nosy Clark Kent who pals with that illegal alien Superman!
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 19, 2018 • 8:52:57pm

Well, bye.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:00:13pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:16:57pm

re: #2 Single-handed sailor

Well, bye.

I’m sure that wingnuts will be awful broken up that we’re pulling support from Afghanistan…

//////

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Belafon  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:20:04pm

A thought on this quote from AOC:

“My standard in this is: I’m going to support the most progressive candidate that’s leading the party and right now that is Nancy Pelosi, in terms of running,” she continued. “I would like to see new, younger leadership, but I don’t want new leadership that’s more conservative.”

This is how we get more progressive legislation. Not by taking your ball and going home when you don’t get everything, but by continuing to play.

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Targetpractice  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:23:06pm

re: #5 Belafon

A thought on this quote from AOC:

This is how we get more progressive legislation. Not by taking your ball and going home when you don’t get everything, but buy continuing to play.

Which means by the time she’s up for reelection, the unicorn chasers will be calling her a “sell-out” and looking for another “true progressive.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:26:09pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:28:06pm

The excuse-making begins…

“To sort of ignore the obvious differences here is a little hypocritical. Hillary Clinton went out and established her own server in full knowledge that what she was doing was wrong,” Santorum said.

He added, “There’s a big difference between what Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State, was doing and what Ivanka Trump is accused of.”

Foamy seems to have (conveniently) forgotten that Hillary’s position and that of her lawyers was that when she set up her server, everybody she asked said it was kosher to do so. And that using private emails for government business was something past Secretaries had done when in office.

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austin_blue  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:31:32pm

The level of his ignorance is off the hook. What a maroon. I keep saying to SWMBO, “That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard a President of the United States say!”, and then he keeps flapping his pie hole. It’s just embarrassing to be an American.

Night all. Sweet dreams. See you tomorrow.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:34:29pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

The excuse-making begins…

Foamy seems to have (conveniently) forgotten that Hillary’s position and that of her lawyers was that when she set up her server, everybody she asked said it was kosher to do so. And that using private emails for government business was something past Secretaries had done when in office.

Why do they keep resurrecting that asshole from the dead?

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Targetpractice  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:35:53pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the death of a political career:

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ObserverArt  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:36:33pm

Just posted this late on the last thread in response to William’s comment.

I saw some video of what started the crash at the Macau Grand Prix and is video looking down the straight from the turn she eventually flew up into.

I think there is some question as to why she hit the other car to start her skid out of control. Did the driver in front of her she hit lets up or have a mechanical problem.

She lost the wheel and it pitched 180 backwards into the wall. So, no braking at all. She was on a ride at that point.

The the car she hit didn’t even know it was coming. And she was launched off his wheel.

Iframe

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wrenchwench  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:38:04pm

[…]

The study’s authors said the findings could have implications beyond the natural world, by helping to provide insight into new manufacturing techniques.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:38:16pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 19, 2018 • 9:54:13pm
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piratedan  Nov 19, 2018 • 10:05:59pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

it’s one thing to have political ambition, and that in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing…

its another thing to place that ambition ahead of the needs of the nation and without a shred of recognition of who exactly has done the heavy lifting of the party for the last two years, who has earned the political victories earlier this month and also completely ignore who is raising money for the political renaissance from which he hopes to co-opt.

If I lived in that district, I’d be happy to run against this asshat as he appears to be devoid of any political awareness and any ability to gauge the political tenor of the nation.

This man is a clueless stumblefuck.

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Targetpractice  Nov 19, 2018 • 10:09:43pm

In case you can’t see the video, here’s a transcript of Moulton’s self-immolation:

You know someone told me the story recently of Margaret Thatcher. Sort of the same, you know different system of government, but same sort of thing where you know go to the floor of Parliament to get the votes to be elected prime minister. She had served several terms, and then a lot of people said “you know Prime Minister it’s time for a change” and she said “No, no I’m gonna stick with it.” And then they said “Well Prime Minister you don’t have votes,” and she said “No it doesn’t I’m gonna go to I’m go to the floor and drag this out, I’m gonna twist arms and I’m gonna get the vote anyway.” So she did that. So she went to the floor and she twisted arms, and she didn’t have the votes. And they elected a new prime minister and everything went on and people were excited about the new prime minister and that’s okay.

Whoever told him that story lied to his ass. Prime Ministers are not elected by the whole of Parliament, they’re elected by their party behind closed doors by the party membership. Party Leaders serve until they resign, die, or lose a no-confidence vote. And they only become Prime Minister if their party wins a majority in the General Elections or can manage to cobble together a coalition gov’t. It’s also why Prime Ministers who feel they’re in a tough spot because of inter-party squabbling might call a General Election, as a successful election might not only shore up their own position, but also cost their opponents their seats.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 19, 2018 • 10:26:41pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 19, 2018 • 10:31:31pm

Gee, can anyone see a common theme in the 16 House Dems who signed the Anti-Pelosi letter?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 19, 2018 • 10:34:43pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Gee, can anyone see a common theme in the 16 House Dems who signed the Anti-Pelosi letter?

I am grateful than my rep is not one of them.

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Targetpractice  Nov 19, 2018 • 10:49:28pm

re: #20 wheat-dogg

I am grateful than my rep is not one of them.

As am I. And my rep (Elaine Luria) just won a close race in a deep red district. We haven’t had a Democrat representing us since Nye got picked off in the ‘10 Republican wave. So I’m glad she hasn’t joined up with the Blue Dogs who are calling for Nancy to go.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 19, 2018 • 11:41:03pm

The wingnuts are all angried up tonight.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 20, 2018 • 12:00:43am

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

The wingnuts are all angried up tonight.

Is the judge a Trump appointment? That would be sweet if so.

Nope. An Obama appointee. The wingnuts will be doubly incensed!

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2018 • 1:15:38am

The best part of Julia Louis-Dreyfus’ award evening for the Mark Twin prize…

Ilana Glazer, Abbi Jacobson and Co performing a “ballet” entitled The Elaine Dance

pbs.org

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 2:08:59am

1,820,165.6 acres burned in California wildfires so far. (National Year-to-Date Report on Fires and Acres Burned)

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 2:30:18am
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 3:30:13am

re: #25 Single-handed sailor

1,820,165.6 acres burned in California wildfires so far. (National Year-to-Date Report on Fires and Acres Burned)

Wow. That is devestating news.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 20, 2018 • 3:39:46am

re: #27 Patricia Kayden

If my math is right, that’s over 2800 square miles. Holy shit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:14:31am

re: #11 Targetpractice

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the death of a political career:

God what a fool. I used to like Moulton despite his Pelosi hate on. Really stupid analogy Seth.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:16:34am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Gee, can anyone see a common theme in the 16 House Dems who signed the Anti-Pelosi letter?

Glad Wexton isn’t among them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:25:31am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Gee, can anyone see a common theme in the 16 House Dems who signed the Anti-Pelosi letter?

Someone in the comments made a great point. A few of these guys signaled support for Hoyer which makes the idea they just want new leadership appear quite hollow.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:29:59am
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A Mom Anon  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:30:29am

OFFS. Brian Kemp, Georgia’s new idiot governor, just hired Fucking Tom Price to be in charge of Healthcare in his transition team. Price, who was fired from his last job for using taxpayer funds for personal travel. Maybe the upside is the pool of criminals is so small he couldn’t find anyone else. Nah. It’s Georgia.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:32:02am

re: #33 A Mom Anon

OFFS. Brian Kemp, Georgia’s new idiot governor, just hired Fucking Tom Price to be I charge of Healthcare in his transition team. Price, who was fired from his last job for using taxpayer funds for personal travel. Maybe the upside is the pool of criminals is so small he couldn’t find anyone else. Nah. It’s Georgia.

Kemp voters don’t get to act shocked when Price steals money from Georgia taxpayers.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:32:40am

re: #32 Dave In Austin

Beautiful sentiment. I’m sure there’s some right wing douchebag taking issue with that.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:33:53am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Beautiful sentiment. I’m sure there’s some right wing douchebag taking issue with that.

“Free Stuff”

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:35:05am

Approved!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:35:33am

re: #36 Dave In Austin

“Free Stuff”

“Rewarding poor life choices.” I just know how cold Fargo is and that alone makes this a beautiful gesture on the franchise’s part.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:42:07am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

ArKansas……

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:45:54am

re: #39 Dave In Austin

ArKansas……

Yeah I saw that. Patronizing prick.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:47:42am

re: #39 Dave In Austin

If I had only chosen parents who were millionaires, I might be much better off.

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:55:56am

Good morning Lizards

What a world.

It will be before the end of the year before they start blaming hooligans.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 4:58:46am

re: #39 Dave In Austin

ArKansas……

And let me guess…he’s a born again Xtian!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:18:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:23:35am

moron

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:34:22am

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:36:59am

re: #46 Amory Blaine

Seriously trying to quit……. 12 step program is next.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:37:44am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:41:52am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

He definitely does. It did take some time but maybe President Shithead should realize that they wanted to get it right. Trump is an ass. There was no reason for him to do this crap but because he’s a child man baby, he did it.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:45:12am

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

The wingnuts are all angried up tonight.

Rule of Law Week is going great.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:49:10am

Perks: Randall Patterson.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:49:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:50:58am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:51:41am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know the messed up thing is Trump were around and OBL still alive, the Pakistani government would definitely kiss Trump’s ass and he would pronounce that OBL “really isn’t a big deal, and we’re not even sure if he did 9/11.”

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:51:52am

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

Which reminds me, We should totally recover the Titanic, which was one of the biggest ships ever that sunk, many people don’t know that. Lots of riches on board to boost Economy, which is doing wonderfully by the way although the Fake News Media won’t tell you that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:52:10am

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can’t say I blame them. Is Trump going to yell at them for the Yugoslav civli war yet though? Asking for a friend.

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jeffreyw  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:59:26am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:59:40am
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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:08:01am

re: #8 Targetpractice

The excuse-making begins…

Foamy seems to have (conveniently) forgotten that Hillary’s position and that of her lawyers was that when she set up her server, everybody she asked said it was kosher to do so. And that using private emails for government business was something past Secretaries had done when in office.

There were new rules put in place after Clinton left office that prohibited private email use for official govt business.

Ivanka is directly violating those rules. The cognitive dissonance is accelerating among the right wing extremists who think that Hillary should be prosecuted for non-crimes, while criminal acts by Trumpworld get a pass.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:09:25am

re: #58 Dave In Austin

Eventually they’ll just admit that they just wanted to lock Hlilary up because they didn’t like her and the press will let that slide.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:10:03am

I don’t want Ivanka in jail over this for what it’s worth but yeah it’s a damn reason why both her and her asshole husband shouldn’t be in government. And I bet Ivanka was a lot less careful than HRC was too given her genepool.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:13:23am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

I don’t want Ivanka in jail over this for what it’s worth but yeah it’s a damn reason why both her and her asshole husband shouldn’t be in government. And I bet Ivanka was a lot less careful than HRC was too given her genepool.

Disagree.

If they broke the law, and it appears they did, then they deserve to not only be gone from the administration (where they never had any business being but for being spawn of Trump - nepotism is a hell of a drug), but jail for violating the law and undermining US national security in the process.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:16:00am

re: #62 lawhawk

Disagree.

If they broke the law, and it appears they did, then they deserve to not only be gone from the administration (where they never had any business being but for being spawn of Trump - nepotism is a hell of a drug), but jail for violating the law and undermining US national security in the process.

True true. Man I’m just infuriated by the naked hypocrisy of these assholes. They treated HRC like the worst criminal ever over this and did countless hearings but the Republicans are going to act like it’s no big deal simply to appease the Orange piece of shit.

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jeffreyw  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:17:11am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:18:05am

IMO they were looking for anything to try to bring HRC down even if it was something as common place as the email practices that both her predecessors and the men/women hounding her engaged in. As for Benghazi, a terrible tragedy, yes but no responsibility or outrage at all taken by the Republicans who in fact voted to cut embassy security. Just fake tears at the dead five people. And I’ll never forget how Romney acted that day. It showed why Romney is a direct ancestor of Trump in the moral bankruptcy of the GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:20:48am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:21:29am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

IMO they were looking for anything to try to bring HRC down even if it was something as common place as the email practices that both her predecessors and the men/women hounding her engaged in. As for Benghazi, a terrible tragedy, yes but no responsibility or outrage at all taken by the Republicans who in fact voted to cut embassy security. Just fake tears at the dead five people. And I’ll never forget how Romney acted that day. It showed why Romney is a direct ancestor of Trump in the moral bankruptcy of the GOP.

Republicans completely shut up about Benghazi the day after the Niger fuckup occurred.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:22:23am

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

Republicans completely shut up about Benghazi the day after the Niger fuckup occurred.

Yep. Typical horseshit cowards.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:25:10am

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is pretty scary shit. Hopefully a lot of people at the Census Bureau refuse to do this. And of course we’ll hear crickets from all those small government conservatives who actually love big government when it’s an excuse to treat minorities like shit.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:36:01am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

This is pretty scary shit. Hopefully a lot of people at the Census Bureau refuse to do this. And of course we’ll hear crickets from all those small government conservatives who actually love big government when it’s an excuse to treat minorities like shit.

I work with Census data and there are a lot of restrictions pertaining to its use, especially concerning the confidentiality of the Census participants themselves. So, yeah this seems like not a good idea.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:37:47am

re: #70 Sir John Barron

I work with Census data and there are a lot of restrictions pertaining to its use, especially concerning the confidentiality of the Census participants themselves. So, yeah this seems like not a good idea.

To me it sounds like another court challenge that Trump would lose. This is why that Oliver video yesterday was so good. It pointed out that we thankfully do have the checks and balances on Trump for now.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:48:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:48:48am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:51:09am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

In protest, I hope the Donnie Nazis start burning their China-made, Walmart purchased American flags.

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:51:26am

re: #12 ObserverArt

Thank you for that video. I was reporting what I had read and I doubt that version now. I hope she heals well but I wonder if Formula 3 wasn’t a bit too high level for her at this point? Still if racing is her dream, I hope to see her in the F1 someday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:52:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:54:00am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:55:56am

At mid-morning trading, the Dow is shitting another 2% today. -491.35 (-1.96%)

It lost ~1.7% yesterday as well, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:59:22am

cat shade…

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:00:09am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:12:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:16:50am
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sagehen  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:20:53am
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nines09  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:24:30am

re: #83 sagehen

Fuck it.
Throw it all in a blender.
Thanksgiving smoothies.
Appetizer, entree, sides and dessert all in one handy 32 OZ insulated mug.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:25:24am
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Citizen K  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:25:51am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:28:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:28:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:30:21am

re: #83 sagehen

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:30:48am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

I don’t want Ivanka in jail over this for what it’s worth but yeah it’s a damn reason why both her and her asshole husband shouldn’t be in government. And I bet Ivanka was a lot less careful than HRC was too given her genepool.

LOCK HER UP!

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:32:01am

Ha… :/

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jeffreyw  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:37:05am

re: #72 Dave In Austin

Ack! It was supposed to be a joke about a ‘possom that appears to be nearly all white! (giant mouse! get it?) Alas, the joke falls flat without a better sense of scale:

Imgur

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:39:35am

re: #78 Dr. Matt

At mid-morning trading, the Dow is shitting another 2% today. -491.35 (-1.96%)

It lost ~1.7% yesterday as well, right?

VIX (Volatility) Index is up 14%. Bette Davis time, Gonna be a bumpy ride…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:42:47am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Granny Clampett and Jethro are going to defend the See-Ment Pond…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:46:32am

O_o

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gwangung  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:47:33am

re: #70 Sir John Barron

I work with Census data and there are a lot of restrictions pertaining to its use, especially concerning the confidentiality of the Census participants themselves. So, yeah this seems like not a good idea.

I remember when the Census gave up its data to help round up Japanese Americans.

So folks should understand if I get pissed that this might happen again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:48:41am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:49:24am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

This is pretty scary shit. Hopefully a lot of people at the Census Bureau refuse to do this. And of course we’ll hear crickets from all those small government conservatives who actually love big government when it’s an excuse to treat minorities like shit.

If you remember the 2010 Census, it was an absolutely unique outrage dreamed up by Obama. I argued with many wing nuts who absolutely denied that there had ever been a Census before, since King Herod, anyway—which is who they compared President Obama to for ordering such a Biblical atrocity. Tell them it was mandated by the Constitution and had occurred every ten years since 1790, and they went off their chumps completely. So how are they going to react to the 2020 Census? Unfortunately tRump will probably still be in office….

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:50:33am

re: #92 jeffreyw

I had a boa constrictor when I was younger. I got my feeders from a guy who raised them for that purpose. And the place was infested……

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:55:11am

re: #98 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If you remember the 2010 Census, it was an absolutely unique outrage dreamed up by Obama. I argued with many wing nuts who absolutely denied that there had ever been a Census before, since King Herod, anyway—which is who they compared President Obama to for ordering such a Biblical atrocity. Tell them it was mandated by the Constitution and had occurred every ten years since 1790, and they went off their chumps completely. So how are they going to react to the 2020 Census? Unfortunately tRump will probably still be in office….

The Census is carried out lawfully every year and mandated by G-d and The Constitution for the Purpose of discovering who is in country Illegally. This lawful Census shall not be abridged but shall be fully complied with or else exiled out of are United States.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:56:02am

re: #98 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If you remember the 2010 Census, it was an absolutely unique outrage dreamed up by Obama. I argued with many wing nuts who absolutely denied that there had ever been a Census before, since King Herod, anyway—which is who they compared President Obama to for ordering such a Biblical atrocity. Tell them it was mandated by the Constitution and had occurred every ten years since 1790, and they went off their chumps completely. So how are they going to react to the 2020 Census? Unfortunately tRump will probably still be in office….

Remember Pat Robertson and his fellow Pulpit Pimps telling people not to answer the Census…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:57:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:58:40am
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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:06:40am

re: #54 HappyWarrior

You know the messed up thing is Trump were around and OBL still alive, the Pakistani government would definitely kiss Trump’s ass and he would pronounce that OBL “really isn’t a big deal, and we’re not even sure if he did 9/11.”

remember gwb on bin laden:

‘I Really Just Don’t Spend That Much Time On Him’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:07:26am

well-oiled machine…

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Weaselone  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:09:46am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shows me how crappy our news media is. Before the tweet loaded, I assumed it was the side by side pictures of the front page Hillary Emailghazigate coverage vs. the page 13 ohmygerd the mean Dems are going to investigate Ivanka for emails coverage in the NY Times.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:10:55am

That’s bound to be some hard hittin’ journalism right there

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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:11:21am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

True true. Man I’m just infuriated by the naked hypocrisy of these assholes. They treated HRC like the worst criminal ever over this and did countless hearings but the Republicans are going to act like it’s no big deal simply to appease the Orange piece of shit.

hypocrisy doesnt work with this crowd, they dont care

they used it against clinton as a campaign tactic and it sure worked
with an assist from a soon to be totally neutered press

when turned against themselves there are always…..reasons… why it’s different, shouldnt matter, doesn’t apply

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Dr. Matt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:12:35am

re: #107 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The same Left that despises President Trump despised George W. Bush long before him. nationalreview.com via @BenShapiro pic.twitter.com

— National Review (@NRO) November 20, 2018

Guilty as charged.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:13:00am

re: #106 Weaselone

Shows me how crappy our news media is. Before the tweet loaded, I assumed it was the side by side pictures of the front page Hillary Emailghazigate coverage vs. the page 13 ohmygerd the mean Dems are going to investigate Ivanka for emails coverage in the NY Times.

This is the ass who repeatedly lied about Hillary’s e-mails in the Screw York Times.

He’ll bury anything about Ivanka on Page A13…
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:14:57am

re: #107 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s bound to be some hard hittin’ journalism right there

Yeah? And he earned it. Really fuck you NRO. Stop pretending to be journalists when you’re just more pretentious Jim Hofts.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:18:01am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Debra Messing with Cindy Hyde-Smith.

I like it. Those damn Hollywood people getting involved. How dare they. It’s un-American.

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Weaselone  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:19:21am

re: #107 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s because they are/were both shitty Presidents. I also despise James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Woodrow Wilson among others.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:19:40am

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Guilty as charged.

Yeah i know. Yeah I had a problem with the President who cynically used opposition to gay marriage among Evangelical bigots to get himself re-elected. I had a problem with the President who lied us into Iraq. I had a problem with the President that despite the virtues of all those MBAs you tell us about got us into the worst economic recession of my lifetime. I had a problem with the President who lied about us torturing people. So yeah NRO I did despise Bush. You’re right. You totally got me. I’ll take my record over yours in recent history. Your publication has apologized for Jim Crow using Dixiecrat rhetoric to defend it, your publication justified Apartheid because your founder Billy “Elitist for no reason piece of shit” Buckley didn’t think black people were capable of self-governing, your defense of awful judges masquerading as “umpires” like Roberts and Kavanaugh and before him those awful judges called Scalia and Bork. Your publication is a farce and the truth of it is you’ve always been. You were founded as a McCarthy apologizing and the only reason why Buckley condemned the Birchers is because he was obsessed as you are about conservatism in this country having some kind of positive image other than the shit show it’s been from the time that conservatives defended loyalty to the crown in 1776 to 2018 where you defend Trump simply because you don’t like that we on the left criticized Bush from 01-09 when he totally deserved it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:20:25am

re: #113 Weaselone

That’s because they are/were both shitty Presidents. I also despise James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Woodrow Wilson among others.

Yep. I mean this is just stupid shit. Yeah NRO we on the left did despise Bush. He earned it.

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gwangung  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:21:51am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Yep. I mean this is just stupid shit. Yeah NRO we on the left did despise Bush. He earned it.

The younger Bush. The older Bush we opposed.

There are differences.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:21:54am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Amen. Wish I cold give 1000 likes!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:22:00am

Man that was a rant I did not intend. Sorry Lizardom, I really despise NRO so much. It’s because I know how smug they are despite the fact that in their 60+ year history they’ve been on the wrong side of nearly every issue.

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Citizen K  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:22:48am

Some days, there are simply no words.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:23:19am

re: #116 gwangung

The younger Bush. The older Bush we opposed.

There are differences.

Yeah definitely. Elder Bush, you could disagree with that guy and his WH didn’t relegate opponents to being unpatriotic. And this was the guy who in testament to his diplomatic skills put together quite a coalition to stop Saddam Hussein while the Cold War was going on.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:24:06am

re: #110 Joe Bacon 🌹

He was on Morning Joe. Let’s see how he handles Ivanka’s email mess.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:24:50am

re: #119 Citizen K

Some days, there are simply no words.

I want to know who the older man in the brownish coat who defended them is. That guy deserves praise if the manager is going to earn infamy.

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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:25:14am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Yeah i know. Yeah I had a problem with the President who cynically used opposition to gay marriage among Evangelical bigots to get himself re-elected. I had a problem with the President who lied us into Iraq. I had a problem with the President that despite the virtues of all those MBAs you tell us about got us into the worst economic recession of my lifetime. I had a problem with the President who lied about us torturing people. So yeah NRO I did despise Bush. You’re right. You totally got me. I’ll take my record over yours in recent history. Your publication has apologized for Jim Crow using Dixiecrat rhetoric to defend it, your publication justified Apartheid because your founder Billy “Elitist for no reason piece of shit” Buckley didn’t think black people were capable of self-governing, your defense of awful judges masquerading as “umpires” like Roberts and Kavanaugh and before him those awful judges called Scalia and Bork. Your publication is a farce and the truth of it is you’ve always been. You were founded as a McCarthy apologizing and the only reason why Buckley condemned the Birchers is because he was obsessed as you are about conservatism in this country having some kind of positive image other than the shit show it’s been from the time that conservatives defended loyalty to the crown in 1776 to 2018 where you defend Trump simply because you don’t like that we on the left criticized Bush from 01-09 when he totally deserved it.

i have a problem with any president who does not believe in liberty and justice for all
- who does not act to demonstrate that we are one country
- where everyone matters and has equal standing
- regardless of any attempt at categorization (‘race’, religion, gender, political views, economic status, age, location, lineage….

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:25:39am

re: #75 William Lewis

Thank you for that video. I was reporting what I had read and I doubt that version now. I hope she heals well but I wonder if Formula 3 wasn’t a bit too high level for her at this point? Still if racing is her dream, I hope to see her in the F1 someday.

I still want to know if the guy she was following did something that ended up causing her to run into him to knock he wheel off to start that spin. It seemed to be too early for the braking zone even if he was braking way too early. So, it comes down to mechanical or she misjudged his speed compared to hers, but that seems odd.

The driver of the car she launched off of was damn lucky. There are images of his car and her real wheel came right up the side of his cockpit opening and there was tire scuff marks and damage on the roll bar. Which means she just missed his head.

Hopefully she has a full recovering and can drive again if she so desires.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:25:53am

re: #119 Citizen K

Did they videotape the perpetrator? I hope the police were called right away so that he could be apprehended.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:26:51am

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Guilty as charged.

And I despised Reagan’s racist behind too. So?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:27:27am

re: #123 dangerman

i have a problem with any president who does not believe in liberty and justice for all
- who does not act to demonstrate that we are one country
- where everyone matters and has equal standing
- regardless of any attempt at categorization (‘race’, religion, gender, political views, economic status, age, location, lineage….

Exactly. You go against our principles as a land of inclusion, the land that welcomed my family not knowing a damn word of English, I’m going to have a big problem with you because I expect more of an American President. NRO has low expectations- speak their faux intellectual rhetoric on the judiciary, feign concern about the debt, and act like some kind of moralist when you’re anything but.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:29:28am

re: #84 nines09

Fuck it.
Throw it all in a blender.
Thanksgiving smoothies.
Appetizer, entree, sides and dessert all in one handy 32 OZ insulated mug.

You first. Let us know how it is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:29:29am

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

And I despised Reagan’s racist behind too. So?

NRO really won’t like that :). They love that overrated dude and think anyone who hates him must be a commie even though his crappy actions in Latin and South America are exactly why far left ideas have appeal there because he was willing to support right wing murder squads over anyone who wasn’t good enough to be considered sufficiently anti communist by a bunch of people who knew nothing about Latin America and who like NRO thought that Hispanics were too stupid to choose their own economic destiny.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:32:07am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Yeah definitely. Elder Bush, you could disagree with that guy and his WH didn’t relegate opponents to being unpatriotic. And this was the guy who in testament to his diplomatic skills put together quite a coalition to stop Saddam Hussein while the Cold War was going on.

Yeah, see, I was totally opposed to that as well. “The Iraqis crossed an imaginary line in the sand drawn by some bureaucrat in the British Foreign Office in 1920? Oh, no!” Give me a fucking break. After Saddam had been Reagan/Bush’s fair-haired boy as long as he was killing Iranians? No, thanks!

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:34:57am

re: #91 Interesting Times

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:35:44am

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

Did they videotape the perpetrator? I hope the police were called right away so that he could be apprehended.

If you go to the article in the tweet, they have a picture of the guy who pulled the gun.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:35:56am

re: #130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, see, I was totally opposed to that as well. “The Iraqis crossed an imaginary line in the sand drawn by some bureaucrat in the British Foreign Office in 1920? Oh, no!” Give me a fucking break. After Saddam had been Reagan/Bush’s fair-haired boy as long as he was killing Iranians? No, thanks!

I hear you about the lines and that Desert Storm isn’t as black and white as history makes it out to be but Kuwait’s sovereignty was violated by Iraq. FWIW I agree completely given that Reagan-Bush strongly armed Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. Russia uses the fact that Ukrainian land is historically part of what we call Russia to justify their actions there. I guess my point was that critics of the first Bush weren’t degraded as people who spoke out against W and now Trump are. I think H.W. Bush and his handlers were much less tone deaf.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:36:50am

re: #84 nines09

Fuck it.
Throw it all in a blender.
Thanksgiving smoothies.
Appetizer, entree, sides and dessert all in one handy 32 OZ 64 OZ insulated mug.

Merica!

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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:38:12am

re: #110 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is the ass who repeatedly lied about Hillary’s e-mails in the Screw York Times.

[Embedded content]

The hill

Democrats on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee are planning on looking into Ivanka Trump’s use of a personal email account to determine whether she violated federal law.

A Democratic aide told The Hill on Tuesday that the committee is planning “to continue our investigation of the presidential records act and federal records act, and we want to know if Ivanka complied with the law.”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:40:01am

re: #132 Belafon

If you go to the article in the tweet, they have a picture of the guy who pulled the gun.

Okay. Good. I just watched the linked video.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:40:05am

re: #135 dangerman

The hill

Watch the R’s flip their shit if Princess Ivanka so much has to spend an hour of her precious time stealing from the country to benefit Trump Co to testify on The Hill.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:40:25am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn good ‘copter pilot. Amazing work those guys are doing. I hope they stay safe so they can help even more people and pets.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:40:37am

re: #134 Amory Blaine

Merica!

My niece just got braces, and her trying to eat reminds me of that parenting commercial where the dad blends a pizza and drinks it with his son who just got them.

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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:42:50am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Watch the R’s flip their shit if Princess Ivanka so much has to spend an hour of her precious time stealing from the country to benefit Trump Co to testify on The Hill.

looking forward to it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:43:07am
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Citizen K  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:43:12am

re: #119 Citizen K

Just to add on, from the original tweets:

“He pulled a gun for a reason” is the most privileged shit ever. Yes, people usually have a reason to pull a gun out, it’s called ‘killing people’. Framing it like that’s a reasonable justification is batshit insane.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:43:16am

re: #140 dangerman

looking forward to ti

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:44:10am

re: #142 Citizen K

Just to add on, from the original tweets:

“He pulled a gun for a reason” is the most privileged shit ever. Yes, people usually have a reason to pull a gun out, it’s called ‘killing people’. Framing it like that’s a reasonable justification is batshit insane.

That kind of shit is exactly why I support gun control.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:46:02am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Man that was a rant I did not intend. Sorry Lizardom, I really despise NRO so much. It’s because I know how smug they are despite the fact that in their 60+ year history they’ve been on the wrong side of nearly every issue.

That’s what you want in good journalism.

Consistency!

Heh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:46:12am

You know what a good response to a douchebag with a gun is, a good foot up the ass.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:47:05am

re: #142 Citizen K

Just to add on, from the original tweets:

“He pulled a gun for a reason” is the most privileged shit ever. Yes, people usually have a reason to pull a gun out, it’s called ‘killing people’. Framing it like that’s a reasonable justification is batshit insane.

Gun fuckers prove everyday that an armed society is a not a safe nor a polite society. It’s a society wanting to murder other citizens over any and every petty reason.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:47:43am

re: #145 ObserverArt

That’s what you want in good journalism.

Consistency!

Heh.

I can’t help but to notice another thing but NRO’s habit of comparing modern liberals to the policies they once supported i.e. McCarthyism and segregationism. Can’t wait for NRO circa 2050 to liken liberals to same sex marriage opponents or torture proponents! But hopefully it will have gone bankrupt and remembered as the shit rag it is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:48:27am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

Gun fuckers prove everyday that an armed society is a not a safe nor a polite society. It’s a society wanting to murder other citizens over any and every petty reason.

That’s exactly how I’ve felt especially as wingnut legislatures continue to look for more reasons for justifiable homicide.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:49:10am

re: #119 Citizen K

Some days, there are simply no words.

I hope that video gets to McDonald’s

The manager (if that is what she is) needs to get out of their “store” right now. I don’t fucking care!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:50:14am

re: #150 ObserverArt

I hope that video gets to McDonald’s

The manager (if that is what she is) needs to get out of their “store” right now. I don’t fucking care!

She could have gotten those kids killed. Definitely fire her.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:50:48am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I hear you about the lines and that Desert Storm isn’t as black and white as history makes it out to be but Kuwait’s sovereignty was violated by Iraq. FWIW I agree completely given that Reagan-Bush strongly armed Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. Russia uses the fact that Ukrainian land is historically part of what we call Russia to justify their actions there. I guess my point was that critics of the first Bush weren’t degraded as people who spoke out against W and now Trump are. I think H.W. Bush and his handlers were much less tone deaf.

But didn’t Bush 41 abandon the Kurds after encouraging them to resist Saddam? And he also gave us Thomas on the SC. My personal peeve with him was his decision to award the Superconducting Super Collider to Texas, instead of here in Illinois. It failed there because of fire ants and we lost the opportunity to be the world leader in particle physics.

Bush 41 was not a good president — it’s just that he was better than his Republican successors.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:51:39am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:52:11am
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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:52:59am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

That kind of shit is exactly why I support gun control.

in this situation, ‘that kind of shit’ is the definition of losing control of your weapon
- taking it out
- using it as a threat
- against people who were not threatening or intimidating you
- with disregard for everyone else in the public space

i dont care that he didnt actually shoot
the danger came when he exposed the gun and used it as a threat

he demonstrated on camera that he is not capable of controlling his emotions and weapon at all times

jail, fines, loss of 2a rights
go draconian on his ass and the next person will think more carefully

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:53:55am

re: #152 Hecuba’s daughter

But didn’t Bush 41 abandon the Kurds after encouraging them to resist Saddam? And he also gave us Thomas on the SC. My personal peeve with him was his decision to award the Superconducting Super Collider to Texas, instead of here in Illinois. It failed there because of fire ants and we lost the opportunity to be the world leader in particle physics.

Bush 41 was not a good president — it’s just that he was better than his Republican successors.

I’m not saying he was a good President. I was talking about how his administration dealt with criticism. None of this “fake news” bullshit or making opponents out to be unpatriotic as we have seen with Trump and with his son. But if I want to give him some kudos: Americans with Disabilities Act, Clean Air Act, Justice Souter, did a good job with the end of the Cold War, wasn’t afraid to do the right wing with a tax increase, and his FP was considerably better than Reagan or his son or Trump’s.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:54:35am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

That’s exactly how I’ve felt especially as wingnut legislatures continue to look for more reasons for justifiable homicide.

See: Flori-duh

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:55:01am

re: #157 Dr. Matt

See: Flori-duh

And Ohio…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:55:39am

re: #155 dangerman

in this situation, ‘that kind of shit’ is the definition of losing control of your weapon
- taking it out
- using it as a threat
- against people who were not threatening or intimidating you
- with disregard for everyone else in the public space

i dont care that he didnt actually shoot
the danger came when he exposed the gun and used it as a threat

he demonstrated on camera that he is not capable of controlling his emotions and weapon at all times

jail, fines, loss of 2a rights
go draconian on his ass and the next person will think more carefully

Now here’s the difficult question I have DM is how do we determine beforehand that such an individual like this shouldn’t have a gun. What’s killing me is finding how we do protect what is a constitutionally protected right with the right to live and that’s a right that goes beyond words. It’s what everyone should expect from a society that they won’t get murdered by some hot-headed asshole.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:57:10am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:58:18am

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is fine everything is fi

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:58:20am

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That would mean their business would have access to the emails. Investigate her. Make her sweat.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:58:33am

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Another avenue to subpoena Trump mail servers to see if they’re routing govt business through the private servers to avoid record retention rules and continue their criminal actions.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:59:29am

re: #161 Sir John Barron

This is fine everything is fi

No, Ivanka doesn’t resemble, Gulnara Karimova, she’s much more pretty. //
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:00:17am

re: #163 lawhawk

Another avenue to subpoena Trump mail servers to see if they’re routing govt business through the private servers to avoid record retention rules and continue their criminal actions.

It’s definitely more worrisome than the emails going to her home email server like they did with HRC. Imagine if HRC’s SOS emails were being routed to the Clinton Foundation.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:02:46am

re: #155 dangerman

in this situation, ‘that kind of shit’ is the definition of losing control of your weapon
- taking it out
- using it as a threat
- against people who were not threatening or intimidating you
- with disregard for everyone else in the public space

i dont care that he didnt actually shoot
the danger came when he exposed the gun and used it as a threat

he demonstrated on camera that he is not capable of controlling his emotions and weapon at all times

jail, fines, loss of 2a rights
go draconian on his ass and the next person will think more carefully

That line of yours I made bold is the very thing the Black woman Ohio Rep tried to make when the fucking Ohio Republican House passed their stupid stand your ground law last week.

He felt threatened by those kids being Black and Muslim. Even if he was doing it as a way to scare and harass them, he still did it because he is threatened by their mere existence.

The Ohio Rep’s point is Black people ‘scare’ White people just for being Black and stand your ground gun laws make that fear deadly to the Black person.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:03:47am
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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:04:58am

re: #158 Joe Bacon 🌹

And Ohio…

Through the House so far. We need to see if the Ohio Senate will pass it or if they go with Kasich who said he would veto it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:06:00am

re: #166 ObserverArt

That line of yours I made bold is the very thing the Black woman Ohio Rep tried to make when the fucking Ohio Republican House passed their stupid stand your ground law last week.

He felt threatened by those kids being Black and Muslim. Even if he was doing it as a way to scare and harass them, he still did it because he is threatened by their mere existence.

The Ohio Reps point is Black people ‘scare’ White people just for being Black and stand your gun laws make that fear deadly to the Black person.

And given how imperfection our judicial system is, it wouldn’t favor a black person if the roles were reversed. TBH part of the reason why I support gun control is related to the history of race in this country. This guy isn’t going to get much time but if he were a black guy threatening white kids, it would be on FNC, it would be being tweeted about by Trump and the other RW douchebags, but because it’s a white guy threatening black kids, yeah he’ll probably get some jail time but not enough IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:06:29am

re: #168 ObserverArt

Through the House so far. We need to see if the Ohio Senate will pass it or if they go with Kasich who said he would veto it.

I imagine your Senate while Republican controlled I imagine is more moderate than the House.

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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:06:55am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Now here’s the difficult question I have DM is how do we determine beforehand that such an individual like this shouldn’t have a gun. What’s killing me is finding how we do protect what is a constitutionally protected right with the right to live and that’s a right that goes beyond words. It’s what everyone should expect from a society that they won’t get murdered by some hot-headed asshole.

don’t get me started…cause i gotta go out soon…

my goal is to reduce the number of shootings. can’t stop them all
- certainly cant stop the next mass shooting nut
- and for some reason, gun holders will not self-separate themselves from the obvious dangerous people - so they are all lumped together to their own detriment

the only rule is their rule: control your weapon at all times (carrying, use, storage, transfer, sale, transportation, whatever)

start with the low hanging fruit
- anyone who demonstrates he can’t control his weapon as above, hit ‘em hard
- take people’s finances, freedom and future, enough times and maybe other people will be more careful
- and maybe just maybe the actual ‘responsible’ ones will start to see that we can cull the really scary people from the herd without endangering their own 2A rights

but they wont even do that. what they really want is the right without any responsibility or culpability no matter what

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:09:19am

re: #171 dangerman

don’t get me started…cause i gotta go out soon…

my goal is to reduce the number of shootings. can’t stop them all
- certainly cant stop the next mass shooting nut
- and for some reason, gun holders will not self-separate themselves from the obvious dangerous people - so they are all lumped together to their own detriment

the only rule is their rule: control your weapon at all times (carrying, use, storage, transfer, sale, transportation, whatever)

start with the low hanging fruit
- anyone who demonstrates he can’t control his weapon as above, hit ‘em hard
- take people’s finances, freedom and future, enough times and maybe other people will be more careful
- and maybe just maybe the actual ‘responsible’ ones will start to see that we can cull the really scary people from the herd without endangering their own 2A rights

but they wont even do that. what they really want is the right without any responsibility or culpability no matter what

Agree completely. I was just wondering aloud about that question of the balance between a constitutional right and our born right to feel safe in our communities.

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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:12:16am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Agree completely. I was just wondering aloud about that question of the balance between a constitutional right and our born right to feel safe in our communities.

beforehand is tough

bbl

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:16:44am

re: #154 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A turkey is better than a jive turkey.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:20:46am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Agree completely. I was just wondering aloud about that question of the balance between a constitutional right and our born right to feel safe in our communities.

I would suggest looking at it slightly differently. We have a constitutional (actually an above-constitutional) right to be safe, otherwise our rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are taken away. The right to bear arms does not extend to violating other peoples rights to their own person. That is it’s limit, and any attempts to extend it beyond that - which is what whites have been doing for a long time, and why Scalia the the other conservatives weakened the second amendment’s restrictions - needs to be forcefully defined as unconstitutional. There is no separation between our rights to life and the other rights.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:21:18am

For those who play Civilization, Firaxis is going to stream a live announcement on Steam at 1 pm ET.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:22:04am

They should have put a black turkey up there to troll Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:22:16am

re: #175 Belafon

I would suggest looking at it slightly differently. We have a constitutional (actually an above-constitutional) right to be safe, otherwise our rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are taken away. The right to bear arms does not extend to violating other peoples rights to their own person. That is it’s limit, and any attempts to extend it beyond that - which is what whites have been doing for a long time, and why Scalia the the other conservatives weakened the second amendment’s restrictions - needs to be forcefully defined as unconstitutional. There is no separation between our rights to life and the other rights.

Great points, thanks.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:27:48am

And just to be clear, there’s a reasonableness standard to all of this. My right to be not threatened by your guns does not extend to me walking around dressed like a deer in the forest during hunting season, nor does it extend to you properly handling your gun on the way to and from a gun range.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:28:07am

WINNING ! ! !

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:29:00am

re: #180 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WINNING ! ! !

That’s the perfect picture.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:32:56am

re: #180 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WINNING ! ! !

Oil is dropping like a rock as well, so we have lower prices at the pump to look forward to.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:34:28am

re: #182 Big Beautiful Door

Oil is dropping like a rock as well, so we have lower prices at the pump to look forward to.

Which will once again hurt the oil industry.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:34:46am

re: #182 Big Beautiful Door

thank the gods. Already seeing gas prices drop a good 40 cents in the past couple weeks.

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CongoJack  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:37:18am

re: #182 Big Beautiful Door

Oil is dropping like a rock as well, so we have lower prices at the pump to look forward to.

Russia ain’t gonna like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:43:34am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:44:37am
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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:47:37am

re: #187 Dr. Matt

As bitcoin nosedives, regulators said to be investigating whether it was propped up illegally

Let me search for my shocked face.

I love the details: Using a cryptocurrency tied to the dollar to prop up a cryptocurrency that’s supposed to be independent of the dollar. Barnum would have this whole thing on display.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:48:32am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

1) misogynistic bulkshit trying to shame AOC.
2) her apparent wealth is closer to what her constituents face than most everyone else in Congress, so she’d be more likely to be attuned to the needs of poor and struggling working class.
3) media keeps playing up the right wing narratives where possible.

I’ve seen some reports claiming that AOC lied about her background and what have you, but haven’t seen anything substantive one way or another. My guess is that it’s just the usual smear campaign (except this is coming from both the left and right).

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:48:37am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

How much is she supposed to have in savings? She’s like 29 and was a bartender or something.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:51:35am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez currently has less than $7,000 in savings, her campaign reported last week. via @CNBCMakeIt
— CNBC

Is that supposed to be a lot in savings, or nah?

I figure CNBC probably thinks the average US worker has 100k in savings.

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gwangung  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:52:13am

re: #189 lawhawk

I’ve seen some reports claiming that AOC lied about her background and what have you, but haven’t seen anything substantive one way or another. My guess is that it’s just the usual smear campaign (except this is coming from both the left and right).

Based on my professional opinion (and it IS professional….I do financial capacity estimates of potential donors to large philanthropic organizations), I see nothing except all the financial markers of a lower middle class family (mid-middle class at best). You can hide assets, of course, but even those leave markers and I just don’t see them here.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:52:15am
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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:53:16am

re: #192 gwangung

I think the allegations were more in line with that she puffed her resume, not that her financial situation was better/worse than claimed.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:54:57am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t know if $7k is a lot of savings or not but maybe the good journalist folks at CNBC could tell us how much DJT has, tax returns, stuff like that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:55:04am

Evan Hurst again:

Also according to WaPo, “some aides” are worried because holy shit, she did a LOT OF EMAILS on this private domain, and Ivanka’s reaction to these revelations is apparently like “What?”

These people needn’t worry, or at least they need to get off the Trump cult sauce for a second and remember that Donald Trump’s supporters don’t actually care if Hillary Clinton is the world’s greatest email monster, and will not suddenly have a light bulb happen in their brain come on when they realize Ivanka is doing the same damn thing. They are not those kinds of people, by which we mean the kinds of people who are physically able to process normal brain thoughts.

Love the bolded part.

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:55:05am
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Mike Lamb  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:55:26am

re: #189 lawhawk

1) misogynistic bulkshit trying to shame AOC.
2) her apparent wealth is closer to what her constituents face than most everyone else in Congress, so she’d be more likely to be attuned to the needs of poor and struggling working class.
3) media keeps playing up the right wing narratives where possible.

I’ve seen some reports claiming that AOC lied about her background and what have you, but haven’t seen anything substantive one way or another. My guess is that it’s just the usual smear campaign (except this is coming from both the left and right).

A rep actually being representative of her district’s demographics? The horror!

To say nothing of the fact that having $7k in savings is waaaay more than the VAST majority of Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:58:49am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

As I said the otehr day, really sick of the attacks on her because she dares to criticize their narrow vision of capitalism.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:59:30am

re: #197 Interesting Times

She’s not like some of these GOP people including hte POTUS who never have had to deal with any real adversity.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:00:11am

re: #183 Belafon

Which will once again hurt the oil industry.

Texas!

Trump Country.

YeeeeHaw…how about them Cowboys!

Sorry.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:00:18am

re: #198 Mike Lamb

A rep actually be representative of her district’s demographics? The horror!

To say nothing of the fact that having $7k in savings is waaaay more than the VAST majority of Americans.

Oh I bet she got all that dough from George Soros and she was supposed to send some of it to Beta O’Rourke’s Honduran Caravan.

///

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Decatur Deb  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:01:10am

re: #190 Sir John Barron

How much is she supposed to have in savings? She’s like 29 and was a bartender or something.

Not having a trust fund is starting to look like a requirement, not a deficit.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:01:20am

re: #194 lawhawk

I think the allegations were more in line with that she puffed her resume, not that her financial situation was better/worse than claimed.

Any idea on what she puffed her resume with? She’s 28. There’s not a whole lot to work with.

Oh, and, based on my sister-in-law who’s definitely a conservative, one way to make some inroads with these woman is to point out the lies and attacks that women like AOC are receiving. When I told my SIL that AOC talked to the group outside Pelosi’s office - rather than it being set up by her like the media kept implying - and mentioned that there are men on both sides that are trying to prevent women from being in power, I could see a little spark go off.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:03:03am

If Alexandria were giving CNBC and giving Paul Ryan’s views on capitalism, she’d be treated like a Horatio Alger character by the right but because she’s actually honest about the pitfalls of the vision of capitalism that has prevailed too long in this country, they mock her clothing, they mock that she’s not loaded financially, they mock that she has a hard time getting a place. I have some different views than her on the economy but gladly I stand with her.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:04:25am

The question isn’t how much a politician has when they enter office, but when they leave.

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gwangung  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:04:55am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Yup. Any disagreements I have with her are pretty minor.

And I do love that she seems to live in a lot of right-winger heads….

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:06:11am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Re: her clothes.

As though being dressed for the part and knowing how to value shop (in NYC, this is an art form, and we’ve got stores like Century 21 that cater to getting designer digs for a fraction of the price, if you’re label shopping) is somehow a bad thing.

Everything AOC is doing is being put under a microscope. I get that - her win in the primary was huge, and defeated a longtime incumbent. She’s using that platform to her advantage, and that has the usual suspects uneasy.

I don’t have to agree with her on everything, but that she’s got the rich white guys attacking her suggests that she’s doing something right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:06:16am

re: #207 gwangung

Yup. Any disagreements I have with her are pretty minor.

And I do love that she seems to live in a lot of right-winger heads….

Yep, that’s what I was trying to say when she got criticized for having supported Bernie. She’s idealistic but I think she’s got a practicality about her that is just as great and I think that comes from her experiences.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:06:51am

re: #208 lawhawk

Re: her clothes.

As though being dressed for the part and knowing how to value shop (in NYC, this is an art form, and we’ve got stores like Century 21 that cater to getting designer digs for a fraction of the price, if you’re label shopping) is somehow a bad thing.

Everything AOC is doing is being put under a microscope. I get that - her win in the primary was huge, and defeated a longtime incumbent. She’s using that platform to her advantage, and that has the usual suspects uneasy.

I don’t have to agree with her on everything, but that she’s got the rich white guys attacking her suggests that she’s doing something right.

Definitely.

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gwangung  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:08:16am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Yep, that’s what I was trying to say when she got criticized for having supported Bernie. She’s idealistic but I think she’s got a practicality about her that is just as great and I think that comes from her experiences.

I’ve always said I liked Bernie’s ideas….I didn’t like him personally as a politician or as leader.

She has his ideas and I think she’s a lot more nimble and less ethics challenged as a politician.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:08:30am

re: #206 Decatur Deb

The question isn’t how much a politician has when they enter office, but when they leave.

B-I-N-G-O!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:10:39am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:11:22am

re: #211 gwangung

I’ve always said I liked Bernie’s ideas….I didn’t like him personally as a politician or as leader.

She has his ideas and I think she’s a lot more nimble and less ethics challenged as a politician.

I agree. Most of my problems were with Bernie as Bernie more so than the ideas though he did have some blind spots that AOC as a Latina who grew up in a diverse area and whom now represents a diverse district does not have. AOC is a Dem Socialist but she’s not blind about race, gender, national origin, etc.

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:11:25am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Not having a trust fund is starting to look like a requirement, not a deficit.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:12:02am

re: #208 lawhawk

Re: her clothes.

As though being dressed for the part and knowing how to value shop (in NYC, this is an art form, and we’ve got stores like Century 21 that cater to getting designer digs for a fraction of the price, if you’re label shopping) is somehow a bad thing.

Everything AOC is doing is being put under a microscope. I get that - her win in the primary was huge, and defeated a longtime incumbent. She’s using that platform to her advantage, and that has the usual suspects uneasy.

I don’t have to agree with her on everything, but that she’s got the rich white guys attacking her suggests that she’s doing something right.

The things she is saying are making her more and more popular to her constituents and I have a feeling could even make her popular with the Trump base if she plays her cards correctly.

She is very well on her way to having a chance of becoming a sympathetic character and that can be dangerous in politics because it will cut across party lines.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:12:53am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Remember when it was the first thing ever that Obama showed some common courtesy when meeting with the Saudis. Hell I’m sure you could find a Trump tweet decrying that and he does this shit. Dictatorships know they can get away with shit on this President’s watch because he just doesn’t care especially if someone like Khashoggi who was a media critic.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:13:55am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:14:00am

re: #216 ObserverArt

The things she is saying is making her more and more popular to her constituents and I have a feeling could even make her popular with the Trump base if she plays her cards correctly.

She is very well on her way to having a chance of becoming a sympathetic character and that can be dangerous in politics because it will cut across party lines.

I dunno about the Trump base. To me, part of the problem with the Trump base is they don’t empathize too well but I definitely think this crap is going to backfire ugly on people going after her and it’s going to make her stronger politically but also as a person.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:15:13am

One of my friends got a get Pelosi Outter to admit that they didn’t care who Speaker was as long as they got Pelosi out. I swear these people need a good kick to reality.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:15:22am

re: #218 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Was this “incel” a member of the Proud Boys?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:16:09am

re: #221 Joe Bacon 🌹

Was this “incel” a member of the Proud Boys?

Probably.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:17:16am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

One of my friends got a get Pelosi Outter to admit that they didn’t care who Speaker was as long as they got Pelosi out. I swear these people need a good kick to reality.

Was the Pelosi Outter a Democrat? Or someone who regularly votes for Democrats?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:17:18am
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gwangung  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:17:58am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Probably.

Actually, I think the dude was a POC, as was his ex-fiance. So, probably not an incel or Proud Boy.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:19:40am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“I know the crooked CIA said my Prince buddy did this, but maybe he did and maybe he didn’t, we can’t ever really know for sure. Maybe some 400 lb guy somewhere did it, like with the election meddling. How come Mueller won’t look at that? This attack on SA is a witch hunt, the worst Hoax in a hundred years. “

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:20:15am

re: #223 Sir John Barron

Was the Pelosi Outter a Democrat? Or someone who regularly votes for Democrats?

Someone definitely on the left but I have no idea about their voting patterns. It was a great schooling in any case.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:20:24am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

I dunno about the Trump base. To me, part of the problem with the Trump base is they don’t empathize too well but I definitely think this crap is going to backfire ugly on people going after her and it’s going to make her stronger politically but also as a person.

Even some in the Trump base understand dollars and cents and having enough to get by. I can’t think of any time in my life I have seen anyone talking about a new member of Congress having difficulties making the transition to a new job.

Maybe not Trump men in his base, but some women will understand where she is coming from.

I just keep wanting Democrats to deal in real facts because the truth will continue to erode all the Trumper bullshit. AOC is speaking real truth that everyone can understand.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:20:39am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

How do even the prepared written statements come out sounding like demented stream-of-consciousness rants?

Consider the source

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:20:45am

re: #225 gwangung

Actually, I think the dude was a POC, as was his ex-fiance. So, probably not an incel or Proud Boy.

Ahhh yeah probably not. Definitely a hot head who shouldn’t have had a gun obvs.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:21:56am

re: #228 ObserverArt

Even some in the Trump base understand dollars and cents and having enough to get by. I can’t think of any time in my life I have seen anyone talking about a new member of Congress having difficulties making the transition to a new job.

Maybe not Trump men in his base, but some women will understand where she is coming from.

I just keep wanting Democrats to deal in real facts because the truth will continue to erode all the Trumper bullshit. AOC is speaking real truth that everyone can understand.

Yeah you could be right about that. It honestly disappoints me that one of my conservative cousins knows how hard our ancestors had it- his grandmother and my mom’s grandfather were sister and brother and he still pushed BReitbart crap. He thankfully has taken a breather on politics.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:22:11am

re: #218 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Which shooting is this?

Can’t keep up anymore.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:23:39am
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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:24:01am

re: #206 Decatur Deb

The question isn’t how much a politician has when they enter office, but when they leave.

Let’s have an amendment: the financial balance a politician has when they first enter federal office must be equal on their final statement when they leave their last office. No profit allowed or they forfit retirement, healthcare, all other benefits and are barred from lobbying directly or indirectly.

By the same token, pay must include. Housing, clothing and food allowancs and pure public financing of elections is needed as well.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:24:01am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

The hospital shooting where a Chicago cop was also murdered.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:25:33am

re: #233 lawhawk

Awesome. Give em hell.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:26:53am

re: #233 lawhawk

She’s incredibly shrill, defensive and over-emotional, like most women.

….

DJT fights back, that’s what I love about him!!! MAGA!

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gwangung  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:27:22am

re: #234 William Lewis

Let’s have an amendment: the financial balance a politician has when they first enter federal office must be equal on their final statement when they leave their last office. No profit allowed or they forfit retirement, healthcare, all other benefits and are barred from lobbying directly or indirectly.

By the same token, pay must include. Housing, clothing and food allowancs and pure public financing of elections is needed as well.

Meh. I expect anyone who’s getting a six figure salary (and particularly one who has a working spouse) to make a little money while on the job. I expect them to sock away a little bit for retirement. I don’t have a problem with Bernie being a multi-millionaire—-he’d have to be an economic idiot not to be, given his job record.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:27:50am

re: #233 lawhawk

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is really sharp with her answers. She keeps them real and she keeps them pointed at why she wanted to be a House Rep. She is looking like she can really handle herself. I can see why the people in her district bought in.

She is real.

You go girl!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:28:07am

re: #237 Sir John Barron

She’s incredibly shrill, defensive and over-emotional, like most women.

….

DJT fights back, that’s what I love about him!!! MAGA!

Yep pretty much.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:30:42am

re: #234 William Lewis

Let’s have an amendment: the financial balance a politician has when they first enter federal office must be equal on their final statement when they leave their last office. No profit allowed or they forfit retirement, healthcare, all other benefits and are barred from lobbying directly or indirectly.

By the same token, pay must include. Housing, clothing and food allowancs and pure public financing of elections is needed as well.

The financial idea won’t work.

Example:

When I started work with the Federal Government in 1975 my gross pay was $160 every 2 weeks. Now it is $2,000 every 2 weeks due to promotions and pay raises.

But I do agree with full public financing of elections.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:33:53am
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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:34:41am

re: #179 Belafon

And just to be clear, there’s a reasonableness standard to all of this. My right to be not threatened by your guns does not extend to me walking around dressed like a deer in the forest during hunting season, nor does it extend to you properly handling your gun on the way to and from a gun range.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:36:20am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Jesus, what a hack.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:36:32am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah Jon that’s why he lost his majority in the House. Your paintings keep growing more stupid. Please for your famliy’s sake stop taking LSD before you paint Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:37:36am

re: #244 makeitstop

Jesus, what a hack.

Between him and Ben Garrison, future historians are going to wonder why we had painters and comic illustrators that portrayed Trump like how Stalin, Mao, and Hitler were portrayed in the USSR, PRC, and Germany.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:38:21am
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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:39:05am

re: #238 gwangung

I have a big problem with it. Too many politicians are too busy with their peculation that they stop caring for their electorate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:39:56am

re: #247 makeitstop

That’s the most disgusting thing about this. He totally gave a blank check for foreign dictatorships to torture any US based journalist especially if they’re not a citizen.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:41:10am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump hasn’t gotten his knees that high since the 1970s.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:41:29am

I mean we’ve seen positive portrayals of past presidents by their supporters no doubt but Garrison and McNaughton man, that work is like something out of a tinpot dictatorship that we would laugh at ala that guy Oliver had last night from Turkmenistan I belieev.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:41:55am

re: #250 jaunte

Trump hasn’t gotten his knees that high since the 1970s.

They always portray Trump as so much more athletic than he is or really has ever been.

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:42:26am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

That’s the most disgusting thing about this. He totally gave a blank check for foreign dictatorships to torture any US based journalist especially if they’re not a citizen.

Of course he did because it’s what he wants to do to Jim Acosta for daring to commit the crime of journalism.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:42:52am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

That’s the most disgusting thing about this. He totally gave a blank check for foreign dictatorships to torture any US based journalist especially if they’re not a citizen.

If he were a citizen, I’m sure he’d be a Hillary. Clinton. Fan!! So no dice there, either.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:43:15am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

LOL, what fucking hack ass clown.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:43:53am

re: #253 William Lewis

Of course he did because it’s what he wants to do to Jim Acosta for daring to commit the crime of journalism.

Yep. He would love for Acosta and April Ryan to be disappeared. I don’t have the slightest doubt about that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:44:21am

re: #254 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If he were a citizen, I’m sure he’d be a Hillary. Clinton. Fan!! So no dice there, either.

True, true.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:45:51am
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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:46:49am

Yeah, even the military and former military leadership are noticing.

Trump’s a jackass. More than that, he’s dangerous to the nation.

The GOP just continues enabling this corrupt admin.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:48:17am

re: #259 lawhawk

Yeah, even the military and former military leadership are noticing.

Trump’s a jackass. More than that, he’s dangerous to the nation.

The GOP just continues enabling this corrupt admin.

He gives a lot of empty rhetoric on the military but he shows no respect at all.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:48:33am

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

BITCONNNNNEEEEECCCCCCTTTTTT!!¡!!
LOVE THAT GUY!

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:48:42am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:49:23am

re: #258 Single-handed sailor

i guess this is why I do give Jen credit. I know we rightfully have a lot of skepticism of Never-Trumpers like Jen but I think she’s better than most of them who will offer a tepid criticism and attempt at rationalization. She’s also called out the entire GOP not just Trump.

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:50:33am

Advise and consent is an integral part of the checks and balances. Federalist 76 (Hamilton, of course, since he worked non… stop) also weighs on on this Congressional power to limit the president and keep him from packing the executive and courts with unqualified hacks.

Trump wants people to act as though he can ignore advise and consent, which raised the question why any president would go through that process on their picks.

That’s the effect of what Trump’s arguing in claiming Whitaker doesn’t need confirmation.

If the courts uphold Trump’s stance, then advise and consent is dead for all intents and purposes - except when the GOP can block a Democratic president’s nominations to the courts (Merrick Garland can’t be reached for comment).

Every day the GOP and Trump degrade the rule of law, the institutions they inhabit, and push their power over nation at every instance.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:50:48am

re: #262 jaunte

America First, well okay then the man murdered was a resident of this country. He fucking lived here. Your administration isn’t America first, it’s Donald Trump first and you should be fucking booted out of office and sent to rot away in a prison cell far away from any golf course and access to Twitter and die forgotten and miserable.

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BeachDem  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:52:00am

re: #208 lawhawk

Re: her clothes.

As though being dressed for the part and knowing how to value shop (in NYC, this is an art form, and we’ve got stores like Century 21 that cater to getting designer digs for a fraction of the price, if you’re label shopping) is somehow a bad thing.

Everything AOC is doing is being put under a microscope. I get that - her win in the primary was huge, and defeated a longtime incumbent. She’s using that platform to her advantage, and that has the usual suspects uneasy.

I don’t have to agree with her on everything, but that she’s got the rich white guys attacking her suggests that she’s doing something right.

But, but WESTCHESTER! The “lie” supposedly is that she claims the Bronx but lived in Westchester, and, you know, all parts of Westchester are absolutely identical. Yonkers/ Mount Vernon vs. Scarsdale/Larchmont—yep, exactly the same. Sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:54:59am

re: #266 BeachDem

But, but WESTCHESTER! The “lie” supposedly is that she claims the Bronx but lived in Westchester, and, you know, all parts of Westchester are absolutely identical. Yonkers/ Mount Vernon vs. Scarsdale/Larchmont—yep, exactly the same. Sigh.

My hometown is pretty well to do but we had some tough parts I remember where people were considerably less well off than us.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:59:06am

Saudi bot swarm in the replies.

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:59:51am

re: #244 makeitstop

Jesus, what a hack.

I like the ref calling it a touchdown 10 yards behind the play.

That must be the media.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:00:01am

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

Saudi bot swarm in the replies.

Such an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:01:20am

re: #269 ObserverArt

I like the ref calling it a touchdown 10 yards behind the play.

That must be the media.

Heh his work is like if Norman Rockwell worshiped George Lincoln Rockwell except bad. Rockwell’s paints were awesome and great commentaries.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:02:45am
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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:03:29am

re: #264 lawhawk

That’s the effect of what Trump’s arguing in claiming Whitaker doesn’t need confirmation.

If the courts uphold Trump’s stance, then advise and consent is dead for all intents and purposes

If this goes to SCOTUS, I predict these partisan hacks will rule in favor of Mango Mussolini:

- Thomas
- Gorsuch
- Binge-drink Brett

Alito, I suspect, would lean that way as well, so the swing vote (such as it is) would be Roberts (who might still have a modicum of pride and shame).

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:06:14am

re: #262 jaunte

That shit has nuts in it.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:09:45am

re: #274 goddamnedfrank

“…Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an “enemy of the state” and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that - this is an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event - maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!”

More of the fifth-grade reasoning and rhetoric we’ve come to expect from Trump.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:10:53am

They denied it VIGOROUSLY.

Maybe he DID and maybe he DIDN’T.

Nothing is REAL.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:11:25am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:12:38am

I like this and thought I’d share it with everyone.

Rag’n’Bone Man - Skin (Official Video)

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:13:21am

re: #262 jaunte

DJT: Challenge accepted!

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:16:59am

re: #215 Interesting Times

Somebody in her replies says “I don’t have a $6000 suit, but you have several”…

to which I must point out:

1) Rent the Runway lets you wear the latest expensive designer gear for $160/month, and never repeat an outfit. It’s kind of like Netflix before streaming, when it used to be DVDs in the mail. You can have 4 at a time, send them back and get something else.

2) To actually buy a $6000 suit, if it’s last year’s and it’s a sample size and you got it from an outlet shop, costs about $500. Less at a consignment shop. If you’ve a few friends of approximately the same size, you each buy 1 or 2 things and you trade them back and forth.

3) How many of her friends or classmates (or the people who drink at her bar) work for fashion designers, or photographers, or magazines, or nightclubs, or stylists? Or they go to FIT and have class projects. There’s a lot of very expensive stuff being borrowed around town. It is NYC after all, where we’ve made a science of looking like you spend a whole lot more than you do.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:17:05am

re: #277 jaunte

Translation: I don’t want to punish the Saudis because they are nice to me.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:17:52am

These fucking people.

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makeitstop  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:18:27am

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

I like this and thought I’d share it with everyone.

[Embedded content]

Video

He’s great. This song’s really good, too.

Rag’n’Bone Man - Human (Official Video)

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:19:39am

“I don’t want to punish the Saudis because at heart, we’re arms dealers.”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:19:40am

Hey now.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:25:12am

re: #280 sagehen

Somebody in her replies says “I don’t have a $6000 suit, but you have several”…

to which I must point out:

1) Rent the Runway lets you wear the latest expensive designer gear for $160/month, and never repeat an outfit. It’s kind of like Netflix before streaming, when it used to be DVDs in the mail. You can have 4 at a time, send them back and get something else.

2) To actually buy a $6000 suit, if it’s last year’s and it’s a sample size and you got it from an outlet shop, costs about $500. Less at a consignment shop. If you’ve a few friends of approximately the same size, you each buy 1 or 2 things and you trade them back and forth.

3) How many of her friends or classmates (or the people who drink at her bar) work for fashion designers, or photographers, or magazines, or nightclubs, or stylists? Or they go to FIT and have class projects. There’s a lot of very expensive stuff being borrowed around town. It is NYC after all, where we’ve made a science of looking like you spend a whole lot more than you do.

I love all the clothing/finance experts that emerge, like legal scholars, who suddenly know how much something costs and who should or shouldn’t be able to wear it for a period of time.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:25:46am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Don’t see Gerald Ford in there.

Ford played center, linebacker, and long snapper for the school’s football team and helped the [Michigan] Wolverines to two undefeated seasons and national titles in 1932 and 1933. In his senior year of 1934, the team suffered a steep decline and won only one game, but Ford was still the team’s star player.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:26:02am

re: #281 Dr. Matt

Translation: I don’t want to punish the Saudis because they are nice to me.

Do you want WWIII?!?!? Or sky high gas prices?!?!?!!?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:26:45am

Goddamnit.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:30:09am
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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:33:49am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:34:51am

re: #290 jaunte

We’ll never know what really happened. Your lazy ass didn’t even bother listening to the tape because while you talk tough, you’re a chickemshit coward who can’t deal with real carnage.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:44:58am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

We’ll never know what really happened. Your lazy ass didn’t even bother listening to the tape because while you talk tough, you’re a chickemshit coward who can’t deal with real carnage.

“We’ll never really know what happened and hey what about due process and also HILLARY IS CORRUPT LOCKER UP WE KNOW ALL ABOUT THE CLINTON FOUNDATION AND GEORGE SOROS AND BENGHAZI!!!”

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Alephnaught  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:45:56am

Probably been said already been said already, but Raking in Finland is a rather good band name. They could call their debut album “A Weird Lie About Raking in Finland”.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:46:50am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

We’ll never know what really happened. Your lazy ass didn’t even bother listening to the tape because while you talk tough, you’re a chickemshit coward who can’t deal with real carnage.

I think it was Brennan on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams who actually defended Trump on this: The conversation was all in Arabic so Trump would not be able to understand what was discussed or actually happening. A transcript translated into English would be the appropriate document for him.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:46:50am

re: #282 jaunte

These fucking people.

You want to see us lose $150 billion dollar arms deal? Don’t you want to MAGA?!?!?!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:50:07am

re: #295 Hecuba’s daughter

I think it was Brennan on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams who actually defended Trump on this: The conversation was all in Arabic so Trump would not be able to understand what was discussed or actually happening. A transcript translated into English would be the appropriate document for him.

Still think he should have listened if he’s going to declare we don’t know what happened. He may know not Arabic but he should know tension.

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jeffreyw  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:54:13am

re: #138 ObserverArt

Damn good ‘copter pilot. Amazing work those guys are doing. I hope they stay safe so they can help even more people and pets.

That brings back memories. I was dusted off in Nam with a minor injury from an IED, along with a more seriously injured comrade. In the air, the crew chief hollered to me that they were making another pick up, a heat exhaustion casualty from a different outfit operating in the same valley. They were on a steep, brushy, hillside. No way to land the chopper - the pilot hovered with the rotor tips nearly clipping the bushes on the uphill side while his pals shoved him in through the side door.

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Archangelus  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:57:08am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again and again ad infinatum: you can’t wave the confederate flag of treason or claim fealty to the Confederacy in any way or form - and still refer to yourself as a “patriot” in ANY capacity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:57:51am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Still think he should have listened if he’s going to declare we don’t know what happened. He may know not Arabic but he should know tension.

also, he does not read

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:59:53am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, he does not read

There’s that too.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2018 • 12:16:20pm

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

LOL, what fucking hack ass clown.

He turns them out so fast, he must be doing them on the computer using stock photos and Photoshop paint filters. Sheesh!

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dangerman  Nov 20, 2018 • 12:22:40pm

re: #218 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

YET … he had a valid firearm owner’s identification card AND a concealed carry license AND was able to legally buy at least four guns in the last five years.

i havent read ahead in the thread yet….

did he also eat in mcdonalds?

/ .5

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2018 • 12:28:07pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

i guess this is why I do give Jen credit. I know we rightfully have a lot of skepticism of Never-Trumpers like Jen but I think she’s better than most of them who will offer a tepid criticism and attempt at rationalization. She’s also called out the entire GOP not just Trump.

They all ought to do the same. But don’t forget that she helped build this. They all did. This usurpation of power did not happen in a vacuum. The GOPers who tore down Obama at every turn (and Clinton before him, as they could) helped pave the way for what is happening now.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 1:47:43pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

This was further in the replies:


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