The Bob Cesca Podcast: Lock Her Up

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Lock Her Up — NSFW; Happy Thanksgiving; Kimberley A. Johnson fills in for Buzz today; Raking the forests; Ivanka Trump caught using private email; House Democrats will investigate; Trump and Pakistan; Fox News Twitter update; Trump is too scared to visit troops; Trump’s statement on Khashoggi is bonkers; Susan Collins won’t defend Mueller; Trump mocks Adam Schiff; Trump insults McRaven; and so much more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:09:01pm

another one:

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:09:53pm

CL’ed
I’ve decided this song from “The Ballad of Buster Scruggs”, “When a Cowboy Trades His Spurs for Wings” will make the perfect funeral dirge…. PERFECT.

Beware, it earworms on you…..

The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Soundtrack) Willie Watson & Tim Blake Nelson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:09:58pm
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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:11:43pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump claimed he’d cooperate, and then spent the last year doing everything possible to avoid answering any questions, undermined the investigation, actively interfered in the investigation, fired Comey, fired Sessions, and oh yeah, continues lying in furtherance of the ongoing conspiracy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:15:55pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:16:57pm

This woman running for the Mississippi senate seat, JFC. She just gave the standard non-apology-apology “I apologize IF…” She also had look at her notes while giving said non-apology apology. She’s just awful.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:17:47pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Can Democrats force Trump to respond in January or am I being overly optimistic about their power as the House Majority?

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ObserverArt  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:18:11pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Trump claimed he’d cooperate, and then spent the last year doing everything possible to avoid answering any questions, undermined the investigation, actively interfered in the investigation, fired Comey, fired Sessions, and oh yeah, continues lying in furtherance of the ongoing conspiracy.

Don’t you get the feeling the whole claim to cooperate, then moved to we will entertain answering some narrow questions and now I refuse was typical Trump and planned the whole way?

Isn’t it how he did business? Big promises. Get’s the gig, starts cutting corners, eventually leaves others hanging and holding the bag. Then he sues everyone to discourage them while he walks off with his front money.

I’m thinking he will delay and stall all the way through the rest of his two remaining years if he can manipulate it and continues to be protected by the Republican Senate.

And he hopes to walk off with the money.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:18:24pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Trump claimed he’d cooperate, and then spent the last year doing everything possible to avoid answering any questions, undermined the investigation, actively interfered in the investigation, fired Comey, fired Sessions, and oh yeah, continues lying in furtherance of the ongoing conspiracy.

But other than all that, total cooperation!

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Citizen K  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:21:12pm

Stop taking this shit at face value and show some modicum of critical thinking, you fucking numpties.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:22:44pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Christ, this photo is straight out of a Dicken’s novel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:32:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:34:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:38:34pm

this is too painful

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:38:42pm

re: #7 Patricia Kayden

Can Democrats force Trump to respond in January or am I being overly optimistic about their power as the House Majority?

No. The Special Counsel investigation is outside the purvey of Congress.
Only the Court can force him to comply

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:39:05pm

Autocorrect can go straight to He’ll!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:39:22pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:40:51pm

re: #15 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No. The Special Counsel investigation is outside the purvey of Congress.
Only the Court can force him to comply

Okay. Thanks. I’m already casting incoming Dems as superheroes who can do anything. Lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:43:02pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:45:12pm

The ski area opens on Friday! I’ve been busy the last couple of days helping to get it going, especially today. We’re open on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday until 14 December when we’ll be open seven days a week.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:47:52pm

good grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:49:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:50:21pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:51:01pm

Morning Edition on NPR interviewed Adam Schiff about Saudi Arabia this morning. They refrained from mentioning the ‘Shitt’y tweet from Fuckface Von Clownstick.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:51:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:54:17pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:57:09pm

re: #2 Dave In Austin

Charles,
From your comment from the last thread. I’ve watched is twice except for the last vignette. Some deep dark soul shit in a couple of those i.e. “Meal Ticket”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 5:57:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:01:25pm

re: #27 Dave In Austin

Charles,
From your comment from the last thread. I’ve watched is twice except for the last vignette. Some deep dark soul shit in a couple of those i.e. “Meal Ticket”.

“Meal Ticket” is a really grueling one. There’s humor in it, but it’s such incredibly dark thought-provoking humor when the Wingless Thrush is replaced by a con man’s chicken.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:02:00pm
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ipsos  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:02:00pm

The question in the Mississippi special will be the same one as in the Roy Moore/Doug Jones race: will black voters, women in particular, turn out in sufficient numbers? The more odious Cindy gets, the better the odds would seem to be.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:02:32pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’s learned well from Trump I see. When in doubt, lie.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:02:54pm

re: #31 ipsos

The question in the Mississippi special will be the same one as in the Roy Moore/Doug Jones race: will black voters, women in particular, turn out in sufficient numbers? The more odious Cindy gets, the better the odds would seem to be.

Would hope so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:03:00pm

re: #31 ipsos

The question in the Mississippi special will be the same one as in the Roy Moore/Doug Jones race: will black voters, women in particular, turn out in sufficient numbers? The more odious Cindy gets, the better the odds would seem to be.

She is just a disgusting person.
And I thought Kentucky politicians were awful.

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ipsos  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:03:54pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

She is just a disgusting person.
And I thought Kentucky politicians were awful.

I’ve got to think it helps at least a little that Espy is black, no?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:05:21pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

She is just a disgusting person.
And I thought Kentucky politicians were awful.

I hadn’t even heard of her until the Kavanaugh hearings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:08:28pm

hoping Harry has an easy night, and John as well.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:14:35pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

How can this be real life?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:15:15pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is Harry documenting his end?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:15:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:15:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:16:47pm

re: #39 Dave In Austin

Is Harry documenting his end?

It’s his son, John, tweeting tonight.
Harry fell earlier today, ended up at A&E with extremely low blood pressure and is now in ICU with pneumonia.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:18:14pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

We took the brown acid. Big mistake.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:18:21pm

Carried over from last thread because I can’t lurk fast enough to keep up:
re: #350 Charles Johnson

Once upon a time I whispered (using tags for small script) that I thought Pearl Jam was overrated. Unfortunately I messed up with the tags and shrunk the thread

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lawhawk  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:19:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:21:26pm

Dave, here’s a tweet from last month of Harry with John (Pete is another son who has passed on):

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:22:28pm

re: #44 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Carried over from last thread because I can’t lurk fast enough to keep up:

Once upon a time I whispered (using tags for small script) that I thought Pearl Jam was overrated. Unfortunately I messed up with the tags and shrunk the thread

It’s ok. Pearl Whine deserves it ;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:24:06pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:24:24pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

When you’re his age, sometimes that’s all it takes to get that ball rolling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:26:15pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:27:44pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

She is just a disgusting person.
And I thought Kentucky politicians were awful.

This is Mississippi. The lowest per capita level of income among all states and in the bottom 4 states for educational attainment. Racism remains high among the population. Don’t expect anything decent to emerge from this state. She is a totally vile person but that won’t hurt her among the white population. She fits perfectly with the age of Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:28:17pm

I think I need this coffee mug:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 20, 2018 • 6:31:59pm
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Scout  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:05:06pm

My nominees for Time Magazine persons of the year:

BLACK WOMEN VOTERS

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:12:09pm

Expiration Day w/ the Love Sponge Quartet (NYE 2016, Nashville, TN)

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:12:19pm
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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:13:16pm

re: #56 Belafon

Commander in chief? You mean her DADDY?

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:13:47pm

S-cum bag.

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plansbandc  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:14:10pm

KellyanneConYou. LOL

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Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:14:11pm

re: #56 Belafon

KellyanneConYou?

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:17:14pm

re: #60 Skip Intro

KellyanneConYou?

Thanks. Out of my phone’s screen real estate.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:17:43pm

Let’s try something more verifiable:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:18:08pm

re: #59 plansbandc

re: #60 Skip Intro

Y’all were literally one second apart.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:19:30pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:20:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:24:13pm

Comforting thought!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:29:01pm

Also, I see Russia is about to get control of INTERPOL.

That’s gonna be swell.

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Jay C  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:31:52pm

re: #58 Single-handed sailor

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S-cum bag.

Maybe Wohl’s going to have Jamal Khashoggi show up on stage with him at another of his motel meeting-room “press conferences”, where he’ll expose the whole plot….

Maroon.

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Scout  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:39:08pm

You know, it’s kind of funny how Time’s person of the year has kind of morphed into an award. It used to be whoever made the most news that year. People like Hitler, Stalin, Kruschev, Wallis Simpson.

Remember the huge outrage when it was rumored they were going to pick bin Laden? That happened because people now think it’s like winning a Pulitzer or a Nobel or something.

It seems to have slipped out of Time’s grasp.

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:42:06pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:42:11pm

re: #61 Belafon

Only two other things gave it away. The misuse of “is” on the first line and capitalizing government. Until I saw the tag I thought Trump must have written it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:45:35pm

re: #70 MsJ

I’m sure he’ll hit the wingnut welfare circuit any day now.

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:46:56pm

Can’t Satan just call this motherfucker home already?

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:47:20pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:49:59pm

Evangelicals like to make the claim that Atheists and other heathens can’t observe Thanksgiving properly, BECAUSE WHO DO THEY GIVE THANKS TO!!! HAH, PWN3D LIBTARD!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:54:06pm

re: #73 MsJ

Can’t Satan just call this motherfucker home already?

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You could you know try empathy but I know it’s impossible because you only imagine two people Donald Trump and female Donald Trump if you could screw her i.e. your daughter.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 7:59:21pm

Ha!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:00:38pm
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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:02:45pm

Cindy Hyde-Smith is an idiot.

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:03:53pm

re: #79 jaunte

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Cindy Hyde-Smith is an idiot.

I bet that scared ‘em.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:04:39pm

I have been in the Rio Grande River, unarmed, as it gently lapped at my ankles.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:05:03pm

You can walk over to Boquillas for a beer.

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:09:46pm

re: #81 jaunte

Last time I saw the Rio Grande I drove across a bridge crossing the river near Taos, a few years ago. Oliver Stone filmed a weird wedding scene on that bridge in his film Natural Born Killers. which is a great film, director’s cut highly recommended

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:10:55pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:16:15pm

re: #2 Dave In Austin

CL’ed
I’ve decided this song from “The Ballad of Buster Scruggs”, “When a Cowboy Trades His Spurs for Wings” will make the perfect funeral dirge…. PERFECT.

Beware, it earworms on you…..

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Video

you just have to sing along
can’t help it

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:16:31pm

Just as I pictured it, you can walk around the end.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:18:17pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:30:18pm

re: #86 jaunte

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Just as I pictured it, you can walk around the end.

A metaphor for Trump’s entire career to date.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:31:37pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:33:20pm

re: #89 Belafon

Great point.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:34:31pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:37:29pm

re: #91 Belafon

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Must be one big-ass koala.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:44:02pm

re: #91 Belafon

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:55:29pm

Will eventually evolve into the Alien from the movie.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2018 • 8:59:38pm

re: #94 Single-handed sailor

boqor riya
@hausofriya
* Apr 10, 2018
Replying to @hausofriya
27. There used to be a type of crocodile that was able to gallop.

That is an image from nightmares!!

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:32:20pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:35:04pm

What should we be telling our Senators and Representatives to do about Saudi Arabia? Should we be advising them that we must sever all contact with the kingdom? Or only that MBS needs to be replaced?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:41:23pm

re: #92 Single-handed sailor

Must be one big-ass koala.

Every animal in Australia is dangerous. Koalas just pretend to be cute and cuddly, and then the murders begin.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:42:57pm

The judge just smacked down Mississippi’s abortion ban big time.

He’s an Obama appointee, so expect the usual caterwauling from the Right.

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Interesting Times  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:43:21pm

re: #97 Hecuba’s daughter

What should we be telling our Senators and Representatives to do about Saudi Arabia? Should we be advising them that we must sever all contact with the kingdom? Or only that MBS needs to be replaced?

Here’s a start - might help give you some ideas:

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sagehen  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:45:26pm

re: #97 Hecuba’s daughter

What should we be telling our Senators and Representatives to do about Saudi Arabia? Should we be advising them that we must sever all contact with the kingdom? Or only that MBS needs to be replaced?

Replace MBS.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:50:55pm

re: #100 Interesting Times

Here’s a start - might help give you some ideas:

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As a Green Card holder I have some skin in this. At this point I don’t have much more rights than an illegal alien. The fucking bastard wants to deport anybody with a drug offence. Luckily I never got caught.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:54:38pm

Dumbo!

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:57:58pm

re: #103 wheat-dogg

I’m flying!

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ckkatz  Nov 20, 2018 • 9:59:01pm

re: #98 wheat-dogg

Every animal in Australia is dangerous. Koalas just pretend to be cute and cuddly, and then the murders begin.

I think that he meant dropbears. :)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:01:37pm

It seems Trump addicts have somehow got in their heads the Iraqi dinar is the path to wealth. They make the Bitconnect people look like geniuses by comparison.

Jay Addison, an attorney who follows financial scams, watched for six years as dinar believers’ hopes for a revaluation failed to materialize. After writing a 2012 blog post about why the dinar was a bad investment, Addison heard from dinar investors who insisted the RV was about to occur.

Six years later, it still hasn’t happened.

Addison, who calls the hype around the dinar a “study in stupidity,” said he’s personally encountered dinar investors who were otherwise savvy in business but became entranced by the prospect of instant riches.

“I’ve had a few clients fall for it,” Addison said. “They weren’t really the sharpest knives in the drawer.”

thedailybeast.com

No truer words were ever spoken about Trumpistas.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:02:22pm

re: #99 wheat-dogg

The judge just smacked down Mississippi’s abortion ban big time.

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He’s an Obama appointee, so expect the usual caterwauling from the Right.

So now the GOP can appeal to the Supreme Court and get their boy Kavanagh to help overturn the ruling.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:03:40pm

re: #102 Single-handed sailor

As a Green Card holder I have some skin in this. At this point I don’t have much more rights than an illegal alien. The fucking bastard wants to deport anybody with a drug offence. Luckily I never got caught.

Hello fellow Green Card holder! I am hoping to become a citizen next year. We shall see.

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:05:22pm

re: #97 Hecuba’s daughter

What should we be telling our Senators and Representatives to do about Saudi Arabia? Should we be advising them that we must sever all contact with the kingdom? Or only that MBS needs to be replaced?

I’d argue that we should simply say cut off spare parts sales. Let them have their toys but not be able to maintain them - and the the king can explain to his “officers” why their toys don’t work because his prince is an asshat.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:11:55pm

re: #105 ckkatz

I think that he meant dropbears. :)

Drop Bear Attack Caught on Film - New Zealander Mauled

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William Lewis  Nov 20, 2018 • 10:15:10pm

re: #108 Eclectic Cyborg

Hello fellow Green Card holder! I am hoping to become a citizen next year. We shall see.

I find it humorous that we call the card we give to aliens in the process of becoming citizens green cards when I remember that free black people needed what they called the Green Book to tell them where it was safe to travel in America.

What I’d give to have a lotto win that I could take back on ye ol TARDIS and make so many more safe places for them to travel to…

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:15:22pm

Rainy Daze - That Acapulco Gold

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:24:53pm

Well Russia, you tried it.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:30:18pm
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piratedan  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:35:18pm

I wonder if the slowness of the Mueller investigation has to do with the peeling back the layers of the onion… namely that if Mueller drops the big shoes early, then those GOP members that have been running interference for him can simply enact more of the same and prevent/delay justice from being served.

I have to believe that Mueller understands this and has to peel off the layers to get at the core… so all of the illegal campaign lawbreaking may be the shoes that drop first, the illegal dark money flowing into the GOP coffers, the hacking and using the data from those hacks to be coordinated in GOP campaigns, so that means he has to rack up guys the Mitch McConnell, McCarthy, Pence, Preibus, the GOP leadership with indictments that prove that they broke the law willingly and have them removed from the levers of power.

Once that is in motion, he can begin to bring to bear the crimes that were committed by the Trump campaign and administration to bring their crimes to light…

To do so otherwise means that McConnell will allow them to continue to subvert the law and allow it all to keep happening and I wonder if anyone else feels the same way, once you remove the Turtle, the remainder of the structure collapses because I really don’t think Orrin Hatch or Tom Cotton have enough wherewithal to keep the scam running.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:35:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 20, 2018 • 11:41:39pm

US law banning female genital mutilation declared unconstitutional (Goes to The Guardian)

Cue wingnuts declaring LIBERAL ACTIVIST JUDGE!!!on2e!1!!

(Checks notes … Judge was appointed by noted liberal Ronald Reagan).

The case surrounded a series of four criminal cases against parents and a doctor. The law in question was passed in 1996 using the rubric of the Constitution’s Interstate Commerce Clause as its rationale.

The judge struck down the law as unconstitutional on that basis, as the law does not actually regulate commerce.

He noted the practice is vile, and could be addressed at the state or Federal level as criminal activity.

So for now at least, FGM is legal in every state which does not criminalise it.

In the United States, FGM was promoted by certain doctors, conservatives, and Christian churches as the solution to the “scourge” of female masturbation from the XIX Century forward … the last doctor performing such ended his practice in 1989.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:01:56am

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

Well Russia, you tried it.

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Good to see.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:29:10am

No mincing words here:

‘His AG is a f*cking crook’: Author Stephen King says it’s time to impeach ‘chickensh*t’ Trump (Goes to Raw Story, more at the link, the lede):

Bestselling author Stephen King declared on Tuesday that it is time to impeach President Donald Trump.

“Trump condones murder, then explains it’s okay for his daughter to do what he wanted Hillary Clinton locked up for,” King tweeted

“Oh, and his AG is a f*cking crook,” he added. “Impeach.”

Earlier in the day, he called the commander-in-chief a “chickensh*t.”

“Trump’s criticism of McRaven and McCain, his spurious draft exemption, and his failure to visit even one of the “hot zones” where he continues to put American lives at risk—all these things point to a central fact: he’s a chickensh*t,” King concluded.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 2:06:14am

So I was out yesterday and come back to find:

- Trump all but argued on live TV that assassination of journalists is cool if you buy weapons from American manufacturers.

- Trump’s “total cooperation” with Mueller has broken down…again.

- And Nancy did an end-run around the #FiveWhiteGuys by getting the endorsement of their half-assed “challenger”

*sigh* Remember the days when the worst scandal was a tan suit?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 2:10:05am

So is Yellville, Arkansas going to do their live turkey drop from an aircraft again? (A video of that from 2016 has a whole bunch of people in the comments talking about “triggered libtards” who want to end the practice, claiming domesticated turkeys can glide, &c.)

The great Turkey Massacre of 1978

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:03:52am

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

Thank you, Mr. King. You have just scratched the surface as to why Trump should be impeached.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:18:21am

GOP: “Look, the president cares deeply about the troops…”

Trump: “I couldn’t make it to Arlington because I was busy.”

GOP: “…he has a deep respect for their sacrifice…”

Trump: “Why couldn’t you guys kill Osama sooner?!”

GOP: “…and he looks out for them as best he can…”

Trump: “These guys don’t need to be home for Thanksgiving.”

GOP: “DON, COULD YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR FIVE SECONDS?!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:25:21am

re: #122 Patricia Kayden

Thank you, Mr. King. You have just scratched the surface as to why Trump should be impeached.

I’m not enough of a political strategist to figure out whether politically Mr. Trump should be impeached or not. (That is shown by me losing reëlection to a neo-Nazi adjacent challenger.) For what public evidence there is, it certainly seems that Mr. Trump is colouring outside the legal lines …

There is still Mr. Mueller’s report. I presume waiting for that to come out and reviewing it would be the first order of business for the Democrats, and if it doesn’t show criminality by Mr. Trump, that really deflates an argument for impeachment (based on crime).

The political issue is the Republican-controlled Senate. Removal from office requires a two-thirds majority. That would involve convincing a number of Republicans.

The Senate trial itself isn’t really a trial; it’s more like an employee review for termination.

The history of Senate impeachments has yielded two forms of thought since Chief Justice Samuel Chase was impeached: a narrow definition (requiring definite demonstration of criminality) and a broad definition (misconduct), revolving around the question of what a misdemeanour actually is in the context of the Constitution. Of those who have been impeached, some have argued the narrow definition and others the broad definition (Chase himself argued the narrow definition and was acquitted by the Senate).

When it became apparent that the House would impeach President Richard Nixon, enough Senate Republicans got on board to convince him to leave office and spare both himself and the GOP the embarrassment of a Senate trial.

Perhaps that would occur today if the evidence from Mr. Mueller’s investigation leads to apparent criminality by Mr. Trump. The political strategy for the GOP would be the optics of an impeachment trial leading up to the 2020 election.

Those optics are also in play for the Democrats: Does the House have enough authority now to rein in Mr. Trump’s worse excesses, or no? Will impeaching him motivate voters more (even if the Senate failed to convict), or not impeaching him (as it is unlikely the GOP will run anyone else in 2020 unless he chooses not to run or resigns).

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:27:40am

Ya wanna get drunk online with yur buddy ai australia yah gotta stay up late. nite

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:36:48am

re: #125 Single-handed sailor

Ya wanna get drunk online with yur buddy ai australia yah gotta stay up late. nite

Well, it’s rum o’clock here (that said, rum o’clock is pretty much when I want it to be).

My wife is looking strongly into moving to Yucatan (really). She doesn’t think this area is really safe for us any more (I don’t know that’s true, but she can be pretty assertive when she wants something, and right now it looks like she wants out).

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:46:39am

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

All this starts with the assumption that the Mueller report will ever become public. My suspicion at the moment is that, given the DOJ’s current “leadership” being effectively Donny’s hired goon, it’s not hard to believe that he’ll just choose to take the final report and sit on it. At which point we watch the whole thing spend months being fought out in the courts over whether he legally can be AG, whether or not (assuming he stays) that he can choose to keep the report hidden, and just what in the report is safe for public consumption.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:50:41am

re: #127 Targetpractice

Whitaker can’t keep the report hidden from House Democrats. Mueller will probably release his report in January when Democrats are seated and have power.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:51:33am

re: #127 Targetpractice

All this starts with the assumption that the Mueller report will ever become public. My suspicion at the moment is that, given the DOJ’s current “leadership” being effectively Donny’s hired goon, it’s not hard to believe that he’ll just choose to take the final report and sit on it. At which point we watch the whole thing spend months being fought out in the courts over whether he legally can be AG, whether or not (assuming he stays) that he can choose to keep the report hidden, and just what in the report is safe for public consumption.

On the issue of his report being made public, I suspect if the Senate chooses not to make it so, the House Democrats can call Mr. Mueller to one of its committees and do it there.

The other issue of impeachment involves Sen. Mitch McConnell himself: Even if the House voted to impeach Mr. Trump, there is nothing in the Constitution that says when the Senate has to schedule that trial. McConnell has already shown disdain for the Constitution; he could just say something like “we’ll get around to it” and never actually do it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:54:53am

The US Senate has a history of all the impeachments (and attempts) held by the US House and Senate, along with the reasons for those and the results. It is a fascinating read on how much of it is actually political rather than criminal.

senate.gov

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 3:58:24am

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

On the issue of his report being made public, I suspect if the Senate chooses not to make it so, the House Democrats can call Mr. Mueller to one of its committees and do it there.

Oh, I’ve no doubt it’ll be made public. But I rather suspect that if it’s Mueller being called before the House to divulge the results, whatever they are will be drowned out by screaming from Donny that the whole thing is a bunch of lies…but he won’t be releasing the report because it’s “confidential.” At that point, it won’t matter how damning the final report is, any suggestion of articles of impeachment being drafted will be off the table as seeming “partisan.”

The other issue of impeachment involves Sen. Mitch McConnell himself: Even if the House voted to impeach Mr. Trump, there is nothing in the Constitution that says when the Senate has to schedule that trial. McConnell has already shown disdain for the Constitution; he could just say something like “we’ll get around to it” and never actually do it.

You mean Mr. “I’m All For Bipartisanship” who now argues that the schedule for the rest of the year is too busy with packing the courts to touch a prison reform bill even Donny approves of?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:02:52am

re: #131 Targetpractice

This is why I think it’s more beneficial to bottle up Mr. Trump’s worse impulses by the US House. (They hold the purse strings, so I presume his wall is dead unless he actually gets Mexico to pay for it and build it, good luck with that.)

That said, if the report is as bad as feared, enough Senate Republicans might do the same thing which was done with President Ricard Nixon: convince him to resign.

If Republican voters see an impeachment as politically-motivated (whether it is or not), then you get the same result as with President Bill Clinton’s impeachment: They are really motivated to get out and vote.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:08:54am

With video:

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:18:22am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:20:49am

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

This is why I think it’s more beneficial to bottle up Mr. Trump’s worse impulses by the US House. (They hold the purse strings, so I presume his wall is dead unless he actually gets Mexico to pay for it and build it, good luck with that.)

That said, if the report is as bad as feared, enough Senate Republicans might do the same thing which was done with President Ricard Nixon: convince him to resign.

If Republican voters see an impeachment as politically-motivated (whether it is or not), then you get the same result as with President Bill Clinton’s impeachment: They are really motivated to get out and vote.

The biggest issue with comparing all of this to Monicagate is that that whole political sideshow went on longer, had few indictments and even fewer convictions (including guilty pleas), and had veered way off-course from “involvement in multi-million dollar illegal land deals” into “lied about getting a hummer.” At this point, even the final report dubbing Donny an “unindicted co-conspirator” would be devastating to his reputation if a lot of high-placed people (including family) are getting fitted for orange jumpsuits.

If we do indeed see this going into impeachment territory, which I don’t see only because I believe he’ll resign long before that becomes a reality, I think the odds of his being able to spin the whole thing as a rerun of the Clinton impeachment will be a hard sell. It’ll go over well with the faithful, but what we just saw 2 weeks ago is those folks are just not enough to save his ass anymore.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:32:56am

Morning Sunshines!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:36:43am

re: #123 Targetpractice

GOP: “Look, the president cares deeply about the troops…”

Trump: “I couldn’t make it to Arlington because I was busy.”

GOP: “…he has a deep respect for their sacrifice…”

Trump: “Why couldn’t you guys kill Osama sooner?!”

GOP: “…and he looks out for them as best he can…”

Trump: “These guys don’t need to be home for Thanksgiving.”

GOP: “DON, COULD YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR FIVE SECONDS?!”

Eventually if not already he’s going to compare being investigated by Mueller to Bataan if he hasn’t already.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:38:38am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:40:18am

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

The problem for Democrats is connecting “you voted for this, and you can vote to end it.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:43:17am

re: #138 Dave In Austin

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So another role for Kate. Why not? She’s definitely the most talented on the show right now. I was a little disappointed by her Lindsay Graham because it felt too much like Sessions but overall I like her work.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:46:03am

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

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Billions of dollars out of the economy, money effectively lost to other countries for good because why would China put themselves in this position again? And yet, rural voters will continue to vote for him because they think if they don’t, the “treehuggers” are gonna come in and tear down their farms and release their livestock to the wild.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:47:46am

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

What I’ve been hearing is that other counties are stepping up to fill the need for soybeans and that US farmers may never get that business back.

It’s almost like someone is trying like a motherfucker to destroy this country from within….

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jeffreyw  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:50:55am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:58:17am

You honestly could not pick worse optics for this trade war than hundreds of farmers facing bankruptcy just before Christmas because they’re sitting on millions of dollars worth of soybeans that likely will rot long before Chinese markets reopen to them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 4:59:56am

A thread on “what does pro-life actually mean” by Jim Wright on Twitter (twenty tweets).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:02:57am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹

A thread on “what does pro-life actually mean” by Jim Wright on Twitter (twenty tweets).

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To me pro-life must include opposition to the death penalty and being more war cautious than you are war hungry. If you are either pro-death penalty or very hawkish, I’m sorry but you can’t call yourself pro-life.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:05:40am

re: #144 Targetpractice

You honestly could not pick worse optics for this trade war than hundreds of farmers facing bankruptcy just before Christmas because they’re sitting on millions of dollars worth of soybeans that likely will rot long before Chinese markets reopen to them.

Like that guy who makes lobster pots in Maine who was interviewed about his business being destroyed by French companies moving in against his business (because the steel for his lobster pots has tariffs but finished goods do not), who voted for Trump because of “illegals” and thinks he is sacrificing for the nation’s good, a bunch of those farmers will have the same attitude.

Moreover, it will be reinforced by the propaganda network of farm-team Websites and the major leagues of FOX. They will be convinced going down with the ship is good for the nation.

Unfortunately, that damages farmers who didn’t vote for this Dumpster fire either, and other businesses related to farming (such as equipment sales).

Don’t think the rich will be hurt though: This fits right in with the idea of disaster capitalism. A whole bunch of farms going on the market for fire sale prices will be snapped up by the wealthy and major agribusinesses. Companies like ADM won’t be hurt by this, nor will wealthy investors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:10:16am

John reports in this morning:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:12:38am

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:14:18am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:14:53am

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹

Like that guy who makes lobster pots in Maine who was interviewed about his business being destroyed by French companies moving in against his business (because the steel for his lobster pots has tariffs but finished goods do not), who voted for Trump because of “illegals” and thinks he is sacrificing for the nation’s good, a bunch of those farmers will have the same attitude.

Moreover, it will be reinforced by the propaganda network of farm-team Websites and the major leagues of FOX. They will be convinced going down with the ship is good for the nation.

Unfortunately, that damages farmers who didn’t vote for this Dumpster fire either, and other businesses related to farming (such as equipment sales).

Don’t think the rich will be hurt though: This fits right in with the idea of disaster capitalism. A whole bunch of farms going on the market for fire sale prices will be snapped up by the wealthy and major agribusinesses. Companies like ADM won’t be hurt by this, nor will wealthy investors.

And that is the reality of the current situation: The people who are gonna be hurt hardest by these policies have been convinced that the greatest danger they face is not aimless trade wars that are pitting them against cheaper foreign supplies, but the idea that “illegals” are gonna come in and snap up their jobs if they don’t keep voting for Republicans. Sure, their jobs will disappear because it’s uneconomical to keep them and businesses will fall apart because capitalism is an amoral bitch that goes wherever prices are cheapest, but they’ll go to Bedlam assured that their noble “sacrifice” kept an “illegal” from “stealing their job.”

Rome has one-up on us, because Donny doesn’t even need bread or circuses to keep these morons entertained.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:15:25am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:16:56am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Like I said the day that the announcement was made, Donny is suddenly gonna find time in his “busy” schedule to attend next year because he knows the WHCA is so desperate for access that they won’t dare anger him.

We went from a president who was totally cool with being roasted and even got in on it to a whiny little fuck who got his way because he threatened to pull press passes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:16:58am

(today is baguette making day here in TheBackwoods)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:17:11am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

John reports in this morning:

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I hate the idea that men shouldn’t cry. It’s retrograde bs. No shame in crying. John’s father is one of my favorite people on Twitter because he is a link to an older generation and so well spoken about these times.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:18:12am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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So you admit it, you’re a snowflake who can’t handle being made fun of. But I think Ron Chernow will insult you too by talking about people who have much more honor than you ever will.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:18:32am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:19:36am

You know what I expect to see next year at the WHCA? Donny up there at the podium, doing “conservative comedy” (i.e. very ragey and unfunny), then alternating between anger over getting critically panned and lapping up praise from wingnuts who will insist it’s the funniest shit they ever heard.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:19:48am

re: #153 Targetpractice

Like I said the day that the announcement was made, Donny is suddenly gonna find time in his “busy” schedule to attend next year because he knows the WHCA is so desperate for access that they won’t dare anger him.

We went from a president who was totally cool with being roasted and even got in on it to a whiny little fuck who got his way because he threatened to pull press passes.

All the while his supporters attack people who actually deal with discrimination as snowflakes and portray Trump as a tough guy. No, Trump is a whiny little shit who can’t handle even constructive criticism let alone a gentle mocking by a comedian. And you’re right. Obama was great at this. His ego never got in the way.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:20:05am

I need to go split wood. I’m yelling at the TV already……

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:20:32am

re: #158 Targetpractice

You know what I expect to see next year at the WHCA? Donny up there at the podium, doing “conservative comedy” (i.e. very ragey and unfunny), then alternating between anger over getting critically panned and lapping up praise from wingnuts who will insist it’s the funniest shit they ever heard.

Sounds about right to me.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:26:57am

re: #86 jaunte

Security theater at a cost of $200 million, which doesn’t improve security one iota.

It was all kabuki theater so Trump can try to impress his xenophobic and white nationalist base.

Those who actually are along the border know it was all bulkshit.

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:27:22am

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

While the US is fucking itself up with tariffs, Brazil is building the infrastructure to support soybean sales forever. The things they lacked, roads to shipping ports, are being remedied post haste and those markets will now be ultra competitive (read, less profitable) FOREVER.

Yay US.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:27:50am
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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:28:59am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s heartbreaking to read through… having witnessed something similar with my family. At least he knows he’s being loved and cared for and comforted.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:30:09am

The WHCA is basically setting themselves up for the worst face-plant since ‘07, when they decided that Stephen Colbert “went too far” and then pulled in a very unfunny Rich Little to bore the fuck out of the audience. Bringing in a author to opine about…what? That Donny isn’t that bad a president? And then the inevitable “Donny Tries Comedy” moment where he basically stands up and rants at the “fake news media” to the dead silence of the audience? And then all the lip-biting and moaning about how uncouth he was to attack the media after they tried to make nice with him?

All because they didn’t like the fact that they got dragged for being his lapdogs. Oy vey.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:34:48am

re: #166 Targetpractice

The WHCA is basically setting themselves up for the worst face-plant since ‘07, when they decided that Stephen Colbert “went too far” and then pulled in a very unfunny Rich Little to bore the fuck out of the audience. Bringing in a author to opine about…what? That Donny isn’t that bad a president? And then the inevitable “Donny Tries Comedy” moment where he basically stands up and rants at the “fake news media” to the dead silence of the audience? And then all the lip-biting and moaning about how uncouth he was to attack the media after they tried to make nice with him?

All because they didn’t like the fact that they got dragged for being his lapdogs. Oy vey.

Chernow is a great historian. I don’t know his leanings but they really screwed this up. But yeah this seems like the same aftermath of how the Bush administration got butthurt by Stephen mocking them and then brought Rich Little out. Michelle Wolf’s bit last year looks more and more spot on by them not having a comedian this year. Trump is an overly sensitive brat who shouldn’t be in this position if he’s going to bitch about every mocking and criticism he gets.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:40:31am

Heavy #Saudi presence on Twitter today. Hmmmm.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:44:12am

re: #165 lawhawk

That’s heartbreaking to read through… having witnessed something similar with my family. At least he knows he’s being loved and cared for and comforted.

I’m kind of going through the same with my family now.

My sister called yesterday to say my step-father was back in the hospital and back in isolation as the c-diff infection came roaring back.

On top of that, my sister took my mother to the assisted living centre to look at it, and my mother said “oh hell no.” (They prohibit having any property on-site more than $2,000, prohibit musical instruments, and take all your money other than giving you a $75 a month stipend.)

She helped my mother look for another apartment, but didn’t find anything. My step-brother is continuing that effort now that my sister is home again. I once again offered up my spare bedroom here, though prying my mother out of Chicago seems like a fruitless endeavour.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:45:08am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Chernow is a great historian. I don’t know his leanings but they really screwed this up. But yeah this seems like the same aftermath of how the Bush administration got butthurt by Stephen mocking them and then brought Rich Little out. Michelle Wolf’s bit last year looks more and more spot on by them not having a comedian this year. Trump is an overly sensitive brat who shouldn’t be in this position if he’s going to bitch about every mocking and criticism he gets.

He could do an awesome history of media and the president and show how, even by those standards, this group is failing kn their job.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:46:46am

Three tweets:

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:49:00am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

It never stops shocking me that we have such an openly venal, thin-skinned, vindictive, and narcissistic President who openly attacks anyone and everyone who has even a minor thing bad to say about him…and he’s continually exalted as the most ‘honest’ president by his supporters and continually taken at face value by the press as if this was the most fucking normal thing ever.

Far beyond jumping on the Bush rehabilitation bandwagon, but even he didn’t go out of his way to personally attack anyone and everyone who dared not treat him like the Golden God of All that Trump seems to literally perceive himself to be.

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jeffreyw  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:58:27am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(today is baguette making day here in TheBackwoods)

Girl with Brittany Dog.
10/10 Would definitely give pupster a bite of that baguette

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A Mom Anon  Nov 21, 2018 • 5:59:30am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹

Anyone who wants to see the Frontline documentary about our adorable US Nazis can watch it online via the PBS website or on other devices via the PBS Video app. God these fuckers piss me off. Fucking Nazis. In 2018.WTAF?

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:01:25am

Music interlude:

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:01:25am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

A so-called comedian is much better than a so-called president, which is what we have now.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:03:29am

re: #172 Citizen K

It never stops shocking me that we have such an openly venal, thin-skinned, vindictive, and narcissistic President who openly attacks anyone and everyone who has even a minor thing bad to say about him…and he’s continually exalted as the most ‘honest’ president by his supporters and continually taken at face value by the press as if this was the most fucking normal thing ever.

Far beyond jumping on the Bush rehabilitation bandwagon, but even he didn’t go out of his way to personally attack anyone and everyone who dared not treat him like the Golden God of All that Trump seems to literally perceive himself to be.

That’s largely because Dubya A) had competent advisors to control those impulses and B) didn’t feel the need to go out to publicly emasculate his own spokespeople when they tried to play damage control. When he was faced with an adversarial press, which he saw more of in his second term as his poll numbers cratered, he might disagree with them but he never insulted them or suggested they be fired for not showing him “respect.”

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:09:08am

re: #58 Single-handed sailor

S-cum bag.

“It’s a hoax but totally OK if it happened especially if the Saudis did it because he was a terrorist Muslim Brotherhood but it’s not true and doesn’t matter anyway so let’s move on to what I’m really outraged about….”

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:12:13am

So NBC causes all sorts of bad press for themselves by cutting out a popular black female reporter to make room for a white bimbo Faux has-been, watches as ratings plummet because she brings even more negative press by continuing to serve up Faux-style controversy, and now decide to top off their monumental stupidity by…paying her to go away after she cost them advertiser money.

If you want to see why American journalism is a joke compared to other nations, you don’t need to look too hard.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:20:59am

this is why you want nancy pelosi as speaker
and why she will be

from electoral-vote.com

In short, the political chess grandmaster is manipulating her pieces with great skill. First Pelosi locked up her loyal allies, then she got the progressives, and now it’s the CBC. The odds are pretty good she’s got the votes she needs, and she hasn’t even moved her rooks or her bishops yet. Meanwhile, the first vote on the new Speaker is next week, Thanksgiving is tomorrow, and the opposition doesn’t even have a candidate to put forward. In other words, Pelosi might as well place her order for new business cards, because unless she makes a lynching joke or poses for pictures with a Confederate hat on (see below), she’s a slam dunk to regain the speaker’s gavel

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:22:53am

I got this in an email from the John Lewis campaign about a survey done to determine who Democrats like for 2020:

Lonnie, we reviewed the results from our recent 2020 Poll and you’ve chosen Beto O’Rourke, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden as your top 3 choices!

Yes, all the caveats about a sel-selecting poll, but what is a primary anyway, but notice everyone not on the list.

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:23:01am

Does anyone want to tell her? Or should we just hold the mirror up to her face and hope she gets a clue?

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:23:06am

re: #180 dangerman

this is why you want nancy pelosi as speaker
and why she will be

from electoral-vote.com

Best bet is that the “Anti-Pelosi” crowd vote against her as a “symbolic” gesture during the party conference, and then for her on the floor while arguing that the alternative is Kevin McCarthy becoming Speaker.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:25:36am

re: #177 Targetpractice

Bush didn’t treat his political opponents like enemies. I was struck reading Ted Kennedy’s autobiography how W still reached out to him on immigration after Teddy rightfully criticized a lot of his agenda. Believe he also invited him to a viewing of 13 Days at the WH. Bush was a bad President but not a tyrant want to be toddler.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:27:21am

re: #181 Belafon

I got this in an email from the John Lewis campaign about a survey done to determine who Democrats like for 2020:

Yes, all the caveats about a sel-selecting poll, but what is a primary anyway, but notice everyone not on the list.

Kamala-Beto.

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:27:26am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Bush didn’t treat his political opponents like enemies. I was struck reading Ted Kennedy’s autobiography how W still reached out to him on immigration after Teddy rightfully criticized a lot of his agenda. Believe he also invited him to a viewing of 13 Days at the WH. Bush was a bad President but not a tyrant want to be toddler.

He left that to his cabinet and advisors.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:27:47am

re: #182 Citizen K

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Does anyone want to tell her? Or should we just hold the mirror up to her face and hope she gets a clue?

That’s a level of self-awareness Maggie has never shown.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:29:51am

re: #186 Citizen K

He left that to his cabinet and advisors.

Yeah his cabinet and advisors were bad but thank goodness he didn’t suggest Jenna for any diplomatic assignments and I like Jenna Bush-Hager.

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:30:02am
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:31:48am

re: #189 Citizen K

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Nobody loves me like I love me. That’s not narcissism.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:31:56am

re: #189 Citizen K

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You mean the most popular living President? You meanwhile apologize for a vain pos who can’t see anyone but him being man of the year. Please just close your website.

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:32:28am

Crisis avoided at INTERPOL as the Russian candidate for presidency (who has often abused INTERPOL to persecute Putin’s enemies) fails to get the votes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:33:01am

re: #192 Citizen K

Crisis avoided at INTERPOL as the Russian candidate for presidency (who has often abused INTERPOL to persecute Putin’s enemies) fails to get the votes.

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There’s a relief.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:33:24am

re: #189 Citizen K

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Tucker’s digital fish wrap says what?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:34:47am

re: #194 Targetpractice

Tucker’s digital fish wrap says what?

Hey forget about how Trump is a failure, here’s a black guy you hate more.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:37:59am

You can tell Donny is getting dragged in the press because the wingnuts are now engaged in full-bore “What about Obama?!” mode.

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Thanos  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:38:14am

Just stopping by with today’s font failure.

Font Fail
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:39:33am

re: #196 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Experts Say Vast Deserts, Absence Of Life, May Indicate Mars Was Once Run By Conservatives

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Make Mars Great Again failed when President Marvin got very angry at Jupiter and called Saturns’ rings fake.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:41:36am
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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:42:03am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

He failed to account for the Q-36 Space Modulator of his new found friend, who then decided to have a Martian sized kaboom.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:43:11am

re: #200 makeitstop

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And the point of the playlist is to see how long you can go before you decide to see what a gun barrel tastes like?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:45:57am

re: #200 makeitstop

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I also like to live dangerously.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:53:46am

Recipes are going up on Wonkette in their annual Thanksgiving Day tradition there:

This Thanksgiving’s Hottest Recipe Is Mamie Eisenhower’s Lesbian-Soviet Hockey Rink! (more recipes at Wonkette)

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:57:23am

re: #143 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

I see that head lurking…and waiting.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 6:58:52am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

To me pro-life must include opposition to the death penalty and being more war cautious than you are war hungry. If you are either pro-death penalty or very hawkish, I’m sorry but you can’t call yourself pro-life.

Can we add in pro-life also means less-guns?

Can we, huh…please!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:00:12am

re: #206 ObserverArt

Can we add in pro-life also means less-guns?

Can we, huh…please!

Sure.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:00:30am

re: #206 ObserverArt

Can we add in pro-life also means less-guns?

Can we, huh…please!

Well, you know, when two guns love each other very much …

… and aborting unborn baby guns is immoral and should be outlawed.

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:00:41am

re: #206 ObserverArt

Can we add in pro-life also means less-guns?

Can we, huh…please!

Nah, we all know that pro-guns is inherently pro-life because more guns means more security thus more life! NRA told me so!

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:00:45am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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I hope the author cracks some jokes that center on Trump.

Fucking weak-ass, thin-skinned, fake president.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:02:12am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(today is baguette making day here in TheBackwoods)

I sensed there was a theme…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:03:44am

I’ve been experimenting with eggs a lot for breakfast lately. Today I did huevos rancheros. Not as good as a restaurant but good enough that I will make these again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:04:01am

Never mind, it was fake.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:04:06am

Frum having another moment of lucidity:

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:06:59am

Mr. “Lock Her Up” apparently thinks his daughter doing the exact same thing is ‘Whatever’. Blowing off a black journalist once again in the most dismissive way possible.

This counts as winning to a large segment of America, somehow. I’ll never understand it.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:07:32am

re: #56 Belafon

People need to understand is that Ivanka was using her alternative email for security reasons. There was thought to be a risk to her Government email and that it may be compromised, and so a top official in the army, the commander in chief no less, authorized her personal email

Err
ivankas not in the armed forces

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:08:11am

re: #215 Citizen K

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Mr. “Lock Her Up” apparently thinks his daughter doing the exact same thing is ‘Whatever’. Blowing off a black journalist once again in the most dismissive way possible.

This counts as winning to a large segment of America, somehow. I’ll never understand it.

Chickenshit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:09:34am

re: #214 Targetpractice

Frum having another moment of lucidity:

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He doesn’t care. He’ll still be rich. What’s the opposite of a statesman? That’s Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:11:08am

Praise the Lord and Watch the Democrats Burn in Hell (Goes to Juanita Jean’s)

Another issue of “tax the churches.” According to the pastor of Second Baptist Church in Houston (actually a conglomeration of churches that rakes in tens of millions of dollars every year), all Democrats are “godless.” (I guess that means the rest of y’all will be joining this atheist at a Christian eternal bar-b-que while godly conservatives cheer.)

A few years ago, a family won a giant lawsuit against Second Baptist because one of the youth ministers was messing around with little girls. It soon came out that the church knew about it and pawned the youth minister off on another church just to hide him out.

From his wide experiences with the ungodly, Pastor Ed Young passed judgement.

For white Christian Republican pastors stung by election results, it is no longer enough to just say Democrats are wrong.

The Democratic Party is “basically godless,” a former president of the Southern Baptist Convention said in defeat on election night.

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Paedophilia? Godly. Got it.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:11:22am

re: #73 MsJ

Can’t Satan just call this motherfucker home already?

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How does it feel to be cinc of people way tougher than you ever were or will be?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:13:36am

re: #216 dangerman

Err
ivankas not in the armed forces

The Twitter account in question is “Kellyanne Con You” (a parody)

That said, Commander-in-Chief is not in the Armed Forces. It is a civilian title.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:14:47am

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

Praise the Lord and Watch the Democrats Burn in Hell (Goes to Juanita Jean’s)

Another issue of “tax the churches.” According to the pastor of Second Baptist Church in Houston (actually a conglomeration of churches that rakes in tens of millions of dollars every year), al Democrats are “godless.” (I guess that means the rest of y’all will be joining this atheist at a Christian eternal bar-b-que while godly conservatives cheer.)

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Paedophilia? Godly. Got it.

It seems the QAnon crowd weren’t the only ones who ended up in a deep funk over their prayers not being answered. I guess this more of that “God testing us” horseshit they like to pawn off on the rubes while passing the plate around. Particularly funny that it comes 2 years after they swore up and down that their same blood deity had deigned to elevate a used-car salesman to the White House.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:17:38am

Traveling today:

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:18:59am

re: #98 wheat-dogg

Every animal in Australia is dangerous. Koalas just pretend to be cute and cuddly, and then the murders begin.

Bill Bryson — “Australia contains more things that can kill you than anywhere else on the planet”

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:20:50am

re: #214 Targetpractice

Frum having another moment of lucidity:

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Sometimes I have the impression that Frum awakens every morning in a cold sweat and screams “My God! What Have I done!?”

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:20:56am

By the way, I had only had a working idea of what QAnon really entailed up until I read an article the other day about how they were all having crises of faith over the Mid-Terms. So it only dawned on me about a week ago that one wingnut I know was either a QAnon nutter or was at least drinking from the same well. He’s also gone pretty much radio silent since Sessions got the axe and there was not a mass arrest of “enemies of the state” the day after the elections.

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Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:23:51am

re: #136 Dave In Austin

Morning Sunshines!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:25:38am

Marcy Wheeler is on a rant this morning.

It Is Objectively False that Trump Provided Unprecedented Cooperation; Stop Parroting Rudy Claiming He Did

It would seem all the major media outlets are repeating Giuliani’s claim that Trump’s cooperation with the special counsel is “unprecedented.”

A simple comparison of the Bush White House’s cooperation the CIA leak case, which investigated events that occurred in a more narrow period two month period of time, showed Dowd’s claim about cooperation on discovery and witnesses was overblown.

More importantly, a key detail distinguished George W Bush’s cooperation from Trump’s: Bush sat for an interview with Patrick Fitzgerald and answered questions about the orders he gave, while President, to at least one of his Assistants and the Vice President about an exclusive executive authority, declassification.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:26:23am

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

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‘Never seen things this bad’: Soy farmers fume as their crops rot in storage thanks to Trump’s trade wars

Trade war aside…
What a waste of food…for humanity’s sake

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:35:23am

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

Marcy Wheeler is on a rant this morning.

It Is Objectively False that Trump Provided Unprecedented Cooperation; Stop Parroting Rudy Claiming He Did

It would seem all the major media outlets are repeating Giuliani’s claim that Trump’s cooperation with the special counsel is “unprecedented.”

(more)

We have stenographers, not journalists. The press could report what Rudy said and then tear it apart in print, but they instead live in constant fear of being accused of “bias” and thus print whatever the White House feeds them without the least hint of criticism. So that the public assumes if the press presented it without comment, then it must be able to stand on its own and taken at face value.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:39:46am

re: #230 Targetpractice

Well, not all of them are stenographers; some of them are presstitutes.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:39:56am

Putin’s probably pretty mad right now.

And Browder’s probably pretty relieved.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:40:29am

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

Well, not all of them are stenographers; some of them are presstitutes.

The difference these days is becoming more and more academic, as the former dabble in the latter in the name of “access.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:42:25am

Trump Thanks Saudi Arabia For Low Gas Prices After Jamal Khashoggi’s Killing (caution for auto-play video designed to drive up your data usage on restricted data plans):

President Donald Trump on Wednesday thanked Saudi Arabia for the declining price of oil, one day after he said the United States would back the country even if Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:44:01am

re: #232 makeitstop

Putin’s probably pretty mad right now.

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And Browder’s probably pretty relieved.

Good. Anytime Putin loses an angel gets its wings.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:44:29am

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Thanks Saudi Arabia For Low Gas Prices After Jamal Khashoggi’s Killing (caution for auto-play video designed to drive up your data usage on restricted data plans):

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This is basically twisting the knife now, as it was the White House’s threats of cutting off Iran from oil markets before signing a shitload of exemptions was what caused OPEC to preemptively flood said market.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:44:58am
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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:46:10am

WTAF

Lethal force, huh? Un-fucking-acceptable.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:47:22am

re: #238 makeitstop

WTAF

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Lethal force, huh? Un-fucking-acceptable.

And the millions of wingnuts who lost their ever-loving minds over Jade Helm go “YEAH! SHOOT THEM ILLEGALS!!!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:48:49am

This thread is likely to continue to grow

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:50:32am

re: #240 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:50:58am

re: #238 makeitstop

re: #239 Targetpractice

re: #240 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The White House is literally trying to instigate a genocide in hopes of stoking the GOP’s xenophobic base. It’s fucking disgusting and terrifying.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:51:27am

re: #238 makeitstop

WTAF

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Lethal force, huh? Un-fucking-acceptable.

Kelly is a criminal monster.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:52:02am

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:53:36am

re: #240 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’d be willing to wager the ACLU will have a lawsuit filed before the end of tomorrow.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:54:57am

We’re basically barreling towards a Kent State-style scenario where a group of soldiers under these “orders” confronts a group of “illegals,” one thinks he sees a guy reach for a weapon and opens fire, the rest of the soldiers open fire under the belief that they’re facing an attack, and when the smoke clears there’s dozens of dead or dying civilians with everybody pointing the finger as to who fired the first shot.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:57:13am

Mueller to Papadopoulos - sorry, dude, off to prison with you.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:57:18am

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Thanks Saudi Arabia For Low Gas Prices After Jamal Khashoggi’s Killing (caution for auto-play video designed to drive up your data usage on restricted data plans):

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“Do you want to punish Saudi Arabia or keep having access to cheap gas!?!??!?!?!”

/

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plansbandc  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:57:36am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I don’t think we can afford to run a woman for President no matter how amazing she is. We will guarantee a loss. I think it really sucks, but misogyny rules this country.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:57:59am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹

A thread on “what does pro-life actually mean” by Jim Wright on Twitter (twenty tweets).

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in the US, pro-life in and of itself is not a thing or a movement or a political position

it’s practical political relevance and history is with regards to abortion (sometimes applied to euthanasia)
it was later broadened to encompass the death penalty, the poor/malnutrition/sub-standard housing, etc and other aspects that juxtaposed the hypocrisy of vehemently protecting the unborn versus the callousness of ignoring the born

- the slope of the trajectory from a fertilized egg (or even before) to a born child is gradual with no discernible point at which personhood is identified, so personhood must be pushed to the beginning for the ‘pro-lifers’ to get what they want. And it’s irrelevant.

- “personhood” is an argument of legal fiction that is neither a scientific nor even a religious one.

- we’ve slid from ‘it’s human life’ to ‘it’s *a* human life worthy of some, but not all constitutional protections’, or it’s a separate constitutionally protected human life

- *any* point at which a constitutionally protected human life/ person is *defined* is arbitrary. There is no consistent dispassionate objective point. two examples: a fertilized egg or survived the birth process.

- all other stages of human life post birth gain rights and privileges based solely on survival and age. more literally from surviving the separation of birth - because one minute (actually one second) later the ‘baby’ can have an SSN, inherit, can’t be murdered etc.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:58:46am

re: #249 plansbandc

I don’t think we can afford to run a woman for President no matter how amazing she is. We will guarantee a loss. I think it really sucks, but misogyny rules this country.

Okay how about O’Rourke or Brown paired with her?

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 7:58:51am

Papadopoulos hoist by his own twitter feed.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:00:10am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

The Twitter account in question is “Kellyanne Con You” (a parody)

That said, Commander-in-Chief is not in the Armed Forces. It is a civilian title.

i know all that ;-)

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:00:26am

re: #252 Citizen K

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Papadopoulos hoist by his own twitter feed.

Shorter Mueller: “Tell this dumbass he’s lost and to take his punishment like a man.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:00:58am

re: #246 Targetpractice

We’re basically barreling towards a Kent State-style scenario where a group of soldiers under these “orders” confronts a group of “illegals,” one thinks he sees a guy reach for a weapon and opens fire, the rest of the soldiers open fire under the belief that they’re facing an attack, and when the smoke clears there’s dozens of dead or dying civilians with everybody pointing the finger as to who fired the first shot.

It really seems to me that they want blood. It’s so fucking evil.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:01:31am

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

Marcy Wheeler is on a rant this morning.

It Is Objectively False that Trump Provided Unprecedented Cooperation; Stop Parroting Rudy Claiming He Did

It would seem all the major media outlets are repeating Giuliani’s claim that Trump’s cooperation with the special counsel is “unprecedented.”

(more)

I have offered to testify anytime anywhere to witch hunt doctor and hoaxer Mueller who is totally conflicted by the way with his 21 Angry Democrats, Republicans should totally get Very Smart and end this hoax investigation which has harmed so many people and so many are complaining this investigation has gone on long enough so I won’t testify I don’t think because the whole thing has gone on too long very Illegal why not investigate Mueller, Comey and Hillary and all the Leakers who are very bad except for Wikileaks I love Wikileaks.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:01:41am

re: #242 Citizen K

The White House is literally trying to instigate a genocide in hopes of stoking the GOP’s xenophobic base. It’s fucking disgusting and terrifying.

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

I’d be willing to wager the ACLU will have a lawsuit filed before the end of tomorrow.

The use of force authorization is not really a legal stretch. Service members are already given that general authority under guard/force protection duties. The detention and search stuff would seem to be highly questionable. The directive coming from the WH CoS is utter bullshit

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:01:43am

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

Marcy Wheeler is on a rant this morning.

It Is Objectively False that Trump Provided Unprecedented Cooperation; Stop Parroting Rudy Claiming He Did

It would seem all the major media outlets are repeating Giuliani’s claim that Trump’s cooperation with the special counsel is “unprecedented.”

(more)

depends on what you mean by ‘unprecedented’

cause i’d say it certainly was

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Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:01:53am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

It really seems to me that they want blood. It’s so fucking evil.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:05:53am

re: #259 Interesting Times

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I think it really does get at what John Oliver was saying that the most disturbing thing about the rise of authoritarianism wasn’t that there are people with authoritarian ambition but rather that there are plenty of regular people who will condone it.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:06:33am

re: #258 dangerman

It’s unprecedented the sheer audacity of this corrupt and compromised admin to lie so brazenly and bullshit everyone into thinking they’re cooperating when they aren’t.

Everyone associated with Trumpworld is lying around this - furthering the ongoing conspiracy to obstruct justice and interfere in ongoing investigations.

It’s unprecedented the sheer amount of lies.

It’s unprecedented how many people have done plea deals with Mueller in such a short amount of time investigating the Russia-Trump links.

It’s unprecedented how many people are still under investigation and signaling that they too are going to get the hammer drop on them by Mueller, federal prosecutors from EDVA or SDNY.

It’s unprecedented how the GOP is complicit and enabling this corruption every single day.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:07:00am

Papadopoulous really does seem to think he’s gonna win in the end, that if a judge rules that Mueller’s authority/appointment/etc is unconstitutional, then his guilty plea is voided and he’ll get to dance around as a “winner.”

Wouldn’t be surprised that he thinks if he just puts on this show, Donny will issue him a pardon.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:07:20am

To rip off Edmund Burke a little, authoritarians don’t rise without a willing and able populace.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:07:37am

re: #246 Targetpractice

We’re basically barreling towards a Kent State-style scenario where a group of soldiers under these “orders” confronts a group of “illegals,” one thinks he sees a guy reach for a weapon cell-phone and opens fire, the rest of the soldiers open fire under the belief that they’re facing an attack, and when the smoke clears there’s dozens of dead or dying civilians with everybody pointing the finger as to who fired the first shot.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:07:50am

“Everybody votes for a dictator.”

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:08:52am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:09:42am

I just remember all the shallow right wing bullshit in the Obama years trying to act like they were oppressed and how government is evil blah blah and here we have John Kelly authorizing an order to use deadly force on civilians, many of whom are women and children who are fleeing violence and poverty.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:10:12am

re: #247 makeitstop

Mueller to Papadopoulos - sorry, dude, off to prison with you.

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It’s only for two freakin’ weeks. He won’t even get a completed tattoo in that time.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:10:12am

re: #261 lawhawk

It’s unprecedented the sheer audacity of this corrupt and compromised admin to lie so brazenly and bullshit everyone into thinking they’re cooperating when they aren’t.

Everyone associated with Trumpworld is lying around this - furthering the ongoing conspiracy to obstruct justice and interfere in ongoing investigations.

It’s unprecedented the sheer amount of lies.

It’s unprecedented how many people have done plea deals with Mueller in such a short amount of time investigating the Russia-Trump links.

It’s unprecedented how many people are still under investigation and signaling that they too are going to get the hammer drop on them by Mueller, federal prosecutors from EDVA or SDNY.

It’s unprecedented how the GOP is complicit and enabling this corruption every single day.

exactly so

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sagehen  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:10:28am

re: #246 Targetpractice

We’re basically barreling towards a Kent State-style scenario where a group of soldiers under these “orders” confronts a group of “illegals,” one thinks he sees a guy reach for a weapon and opens fire, the rest of the soldiers open fire under the belief that they’re facing an attack, and when the smoke clears there’s dozens of dead or dying civilians with everybody pointing the finger as to who fired the first shot.

Either that or….

The soldiers get into a shootout with militia wackos — Americans from this side of the border, with their AR-15s and whatever body armor they bought at Walmart.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:11:39am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I just remember all the shallow right wing bullshit in the Obama years trying to act like they were oppressed and how government is evil blah blah and here we have John Kelly authorizing an order to use deadly force on civilians, many of whom are women and children who are fleeing violence and poverty.

he can sign all he wants
he’s not authorizing anything any more than my signature would

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:12:23am

I am so disgusted by what this administration does to our country. It ain’t right. I know we’ve always been flawed but we were fucking progressing. This isn’t one step forward, two steps back, this is one step forward and one giant leap back.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:12:43am

re: #249 plansbandc

I don’t think we can afford to run a woman for President no matter how amazing she is. We will guarantee a loss. I think it really sucks, but misogyny rules this country.

Oh, HELL no

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:12:46am

re: #271 dangerman

he can sign all he wants
he’s not authorizing anything any more than my signature would

True but you know Trump wants it too.

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sagehen  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:12:55am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Okay how about O’Rourke or Brown paired with her?

O’Rourke can run later… after he’s won something statewide, has some experience, etc. A wonderful talented campaigner who came close in TX isn’t much of a resume. (when’s the next TX senate race? or Gov?)

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:14:43am

First rain of the year - checked 511.org and sure enough it’s a shit show out there on the roads.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:15:28am

re: #275 sagehen

O’Rourke can run later… after he’s won something statewide, has some experience, etc. A wonderful talented campaigner who came close in TX isn’t much of a resume. (when’s the next TX senate race? or Gov?)

Gov just got re-elected. However, Cornyn is up in 2020. That’s a fair point about his resume though. However, his resume is better than Trump’s was and one of the big knock on why former House members aren’t good presidential candidates is profile and his profile is high. I want to learn more about PA’s Governor Wolf. Just got re-elected by an impressive margin in a state Trump won.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:16:21am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

True but you know Trump wants it too.

then he should sign it
and then there can still be the legal fight

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:17:08am

re: #278 dangerman

then he should sign it
and then there can still be the legal fight

True, true. Man fucking Kelly.

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:17:25am

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹

… Don’t think the rich will be hurt though: This fits right in with the idea of disaster capitalism. A whole bunch of farms going on the market for fire sale prices will be snapped up by the wealthy and major agribusinesses. Companies like ADM won’t be hurt by this, nor will wealthy investors.

Just like Reagan did to farmers in the 80s. Destroyed the value of farmland for decades, and as it is just recovering, BOOM! The Republicans strike again!

You’d think the scales would fall away sometime, wouldn’t you?

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:17:33am

re: #268 darthstar

It’s only for two freakin’ weeks. He won’t even get a completed tattoo in that time.

Yeah, I know. You’d think they were shipping him off to a chain gang in Mississippi.

I’d really like to see Mueller slap him down hard. A metaphorical head on a pike, if you will.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:19:00am

re: #278 dangerman

then he should sign it
and then there can still be the legal fight

He refused to sign it for the same reason he won’t fire Mueller: He learned from Roy Cohn that a Don never does the dirty work himself. That’s what he has underlings for, so that if there’s ever a cop he can’t buy off or a prosecutor he can’t intimidate, there is somebody who will fall on his sword in his place.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:19:05am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

I’d be willing to wager the ACLU will have a lawsuit filed before the end of tomorrow.

It’s been pointed out by many veterans the purpose of this deployment (aside from the benefit to the GOP’s electoral hopes) was to weaken the Posse Comitatus Act to a dead letter.

One clause of the Posse Comitatus Act says troops can be deployed in the event of national security issues. Trump declared the so-called caravan a national security issue and the whole GOP caucus climbed right aboard that.

On the issue of shooting civilians, the troops aiming south can also be ordered to aim north (say at protestors coming to the border area to protest). After all, they would be aiding and abetting those who are a national security risk.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:22:30am

I love how April Ryan knocks Trump out with one gentle question.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:23:09am

re: #284 darthstar

I love how April Ryan knocks Trump out with one gentle question.

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She triggers him just by being there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:23:39am

re: #282 Targetpractice

He refused to sign it for the same reason he won’t fire Mueller: He learned from Roy Cohn that a Don never does the dirty work himself. That’s what he has underlings for, so that if there’s ever a cop he can’t buy off or a prosecutor he can’t intimidate, there is somebody who will fall on his sword in his place.

He acts like a cowardly gangster.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:23:50am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:24:51am

re: #284 darthstar

I love how April Ryan knocks Trump out with one gentle question.

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So, how soon before Ryan gets her pass pulled on a “ZOMG! SHE ASSAULTED DECORUM!” excuse?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:25:02am

re: #287 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Nah you know Governor TCOT will love this

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:25:33am

re: #288 Targetpractice

So, how soon before Ryan gets her pass pulled on a “ZOMG! SHE ASSAULTED DECORUM!” excuse?

Yeah I’m waiting SHS to say that Ryan “assaulted” Trump with her question about “the personal matter of his daugther.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:27:39am
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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:30:01am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m waiting SHS to say that Ryan “assaulted” Trump with her question about “the personal matter of his daugther.”

in this context she is not his daughter (obvious to all of us anyway)

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:30:17am
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Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:31:31am

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:32:55am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:34:37am

re: #293 lawhawk

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I was literally just about to post that lol.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:36:53am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:38:19am

Pelosi’s playing chess while Moulton and Ryan are still trying to figure out how they can move their pieces. Stupid move on their part. They have no real plan. They just don’t like Nancy and that appears to be it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:40:24am

re: #293 lawhawk

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The woman that the #FiveWhiteGuys insist is too old and hide-bound to change is running circles around them. Expect Moulton to start making excuses before this is all over that this was all a ploy to get her to “listen to the party” or some such horseshit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:41:39am
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plansbandc  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:41:46am

re: #198 Thanos

I need several boxes of fuckering lights.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:42:10am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:43:21am

re: #299 Targetpractice

The woman that the #FiveWhiteGuys insist is too old and hide-bound to change is running circles around them. Expect Moulton to start making excuses before this is all over that this was all a ploy to get her to “listen to the party” or some such horseshit.

You know it’s too bad, I actually liked Moulton before this. I knew he had wanted to replace Pelosi in the past but I thought he was more open minded about it rather than the childish dick he’s showing himself to be now. He definitely won’t be Senator from Massachusets in the near future. We will I think be having a Senator Kennedy again from Massachusetts though, Joe Kennedy III is great.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:44:30am

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

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I really hate that this guy who was not elected nor has any kind of foreign policy credentials is allowed to influence our foreign policy decisions. He’s just a wealthy businessman with interests who puts his money and influence accordingly.

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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:45:52am

re: #229 dangerman

‘Never seen things this bad’: Soy farmers fume as their crops rot in storage thanks to Trump’s trade wars

Trade war aside…
What a waste of food…for humanity’s sake

A heavily-agriculture district in southern MN just flipped from blue to red. I’m having trouble finding sympathy for the farmers there.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:47:04am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

I really hate that this guy who was not elected nor has any kind of foreign policy credentials is allowed to influence our foreign policy decisions. He’s just a wealthy businessman with interests who puts his money and influence accordingly.

Money is speech. He shouts, we whisper.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:48:16am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:51:01am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We are at nearly 40 mins with #SecDef in press gaggle - lots more on borderto come. Bottom line from Secretary Mattis - US forces will NOT act in violation of Posse Comitatus pic.twitter.com

— Tara Copp

That’s the thing though: Using forces to deter national security threats is not a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, and Trump has already declared asylum seekers to be a national security threat.

Therefore what Mattis says is technically correct and absolutely does nothing to prevent any troops from being used in that way.

Moreover, the Navy is specifically not covered by the Act. If the issue was stronger firepower without violating the Act, they could use the Navy. They are specifically using the Army to weaken or destroy the purpose of the Act.

Of note, the GOP has suspended the act before by law, specifically in 2007 under George W Bush by amending the 1807 Insurrection Act to allow the Armed Forces be used for disaster, epidemic, terrorist attack, or “other condition” as determined by the President.

That section of the Insurrection Act was repealed in 2008, reverting the Act to its previous wording.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:52:44am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I know this has been addressed before but what exactly are the limits on the use of US military forces in the US? Hasn’t the Army been used to restore order in the aftermath of riots, for instance, and to enforce Civil Rights (when African Americans were integrating southern universities) or is that only the National Guard?

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Jay C  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:53:32am

re: #299 Targetpractice

The woman that the #FiveWhiteGuys insist is too old and hide-bound to change is running circles around them. Expect Moulton to start making excuses before this is all over that this was all a ploy to get her to “listen to the party” or some such horseshit.

Well, of course: this is just Basic Legislative Politics 101: a Party leader facing Leadership challenges from her own caucus? Buy the main ones off with Committee plums or a policy push (which Pelosi will certainly follow through with): and leave the few malcontents standing around (figuratively) holding their dicks. And once the lesson has been driven home, be all Unity and Friendship… with no doubts as to who is in charge.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:55:08am

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

Marcy Wheeler is on a rant this morning.

It Is Objectively False that Trump Provided Unprecedented Cooperation; Stop Parroting Rudy Claiming He Did

It would seem all the major media outlets are repeating Giuliani’s claim that Trump’s cooperation with the special counsel is “unprecedented.”

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MSNBC has not. I guess they aren’t a major media outlet.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:55:58am

re: #310 Jay C

Well, of course: this is just Basic Legislative Politics 101: a Party leader facing Leadership challenges from her own caucus? Buy the main ones off with Committee plums or a policy push (which Pelosi will certainly follow through with): and leave the few malcontents standing around (figuratively) holding their dicks. And once the lesson has been driven home, be all Unity and Friendship… with no doubts as to who is in charge.

True enough, though I suspect Nancy actually means most of what she has been saying to whip the votes in her favor. She may have utter some empty platitudes along the way, but she seems to at least entertain the ideas of others before discarding them. Which is more than can be said of Sen. “Oh, we can’t vote on that bill because Trump won’t sign it.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 8:57:50am

re: #308 Anymouse 🌹

That’s the thing though: Using forces to deter national security threats is not a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, and Trump has already declared asylum seekers to be a national security threat.

Therefore what Mattis says is technically correct and absolutely does nothing to prevent any troops from being used in that way.

Moreover, the Navy is specifically not covered by the Act. If the issue was stronger firepower without violating the Act, they could use the Navy. They are specifically using the Army to weaken or destroy the purpose of the Act.

Of note, the GOP has suspended the act before by law, specifically in 2007 under George W Bush by amending the 1807 Insurrection Act to allow the Armed Forces be used for disaster, epidemic, terrorist attack, or “other condition” as determined by the President.

That section of the Insurrection Act was repealed in 2008, reverting the Act to its previous wording.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:00:54am

re: #313 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I think we all know that’s not happening. Donny’s basically playing chicken with the courts, while the Congressional GOP sit around with their thumbs up their asses and moan about how there’s nothing they could possibly do to stop him.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:01:23am

I seriously doubt that the US military is going to obey an order to use lethal force on asylum seekers - especially since the guy who signed the order isn’t even in the chain of command.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:03:19am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I think it really does get at what John Oliver was saying that the most disturbing thing about the rise of authoritarianism wasn’t that there are people with authoritarian ambition but rather that there are plenty of regular people who will condone it.

as long as the authoritarians can present them selves successfully as acting in the populace’s interests, they are more than happy to go along.

democracy is tedious and messy and checks and balances are only appealing when people are trying to check and balance things they oppose.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:04:06am

re: #249 plansbandc

I don’t think we can afford to run a woman for President no matter how amazing she is. We will guarantee a loss. I think it really sucks, but misogyny rules this country.

I think you’re wrong.

Didn’t all those women taking House and Senate seats send a big enough message?

Didn’t Hillary having more votes in a election with a lot of malarkey involved show it is very possible?

Look at all the people clamoring for Nancy P. to be the Speaker of the House.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:04:19am

re: #315 makeitstop

I seriously doubt that the US military is going to obey an order to use lethal force on asylum seekers - especially since the guy who signed the order isn’t even in the chain of command.

I can’t say I’m that optimistic.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:04:30am

re: #309 Sir John Barron

I know this has been addressed before but what exactly are the limits on the use of US military forces in the US? Hasn’t the Army been used to restore order in the aftermath of riots, for instance, and to enforce Civil Rights (when African Americans were integrating southern universities) or is that only the National Guard?

The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of the Army (and since its splitting from the Army, the Air Force) from being used as a police force, except when a state governor requests it, or when the US government determines that a state is in insurrection.

In the case of the Airborne being sent to desegregate Alabama schools, Alabama chose to defy the Supreme Court. The President (Eisenhower) determined that the state government itself was in insurrection against the federal government, completing the requirement of the Act.

Troops can be used in disasters (&c) when requested by a state governor. Note in Hurricane Katrina, the US Marine Corps was the principal military force on scene, because Louisiana did not request military help and the Marine Corps is not covered by the Act.

National security threats are also covered by the Act (so for example, the military could be used to stop potential sabotage of infrastructure if they were the closest people able to stop that sabotage).

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Decatur Deb  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:05:14am

re: #315 makeitstop

I seriously doubt that the US military is going to obey an order to use lethal force on asylum seekers - especially since the guy who signed the order isn’t even in the chain of command.

Can happen as long as the corporal on the spot thinks he has a valid order. He can’t refer to the squad JAG.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:07:55am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

It really seems to me that they want blood. It’s so fucking evil.

If they kill one woman or child, or even a man, it will be the end of this Administration. I hope Kelly and Trump and others would then be tried for breaking international law and put away for ever. We will see them in The Hague.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:09:56am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:10:41am

re: #321 ObserverArt

If they kill one woman or child, or even a man, it will be the end of this Administration. I hope Kelly and Trump and others would then be tried for breaking international law and put away for ever. We will see them in The Hague.

Or it will be the end of democracy.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:11:32am

As I said above, I imagine the most likely scenario where this shit goes sideways due to these “orders” is when you have a small group of soldiers overwhelmed by a large group of refugees. We’re not talking a My Lai scenario where the officer in charge gives the order to shoot anything that moves and the soldiers mindlessly comply. It’s a scenario where one guy panics because the situation is spiraling out of control, the one guy panic firing turns into a squad panic firing, and by the time the CO regains control or the men have emptied their mags, a whole of people lay dead and all anybody can think about is how fucked they are unless they can cook up a valid excuse.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:12:44am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as long as the authoritarians can present them selves successfully as acting in the populace’s interests, they are more than happy to go along.

democracy is tedious and messy and checks and balances are only appealing when people are trying to check and balance things they oppose.

Well that’s part of it but I was mostly touching on the deep hidden desire that many of our fellow men and women have for an authoritarian. That’s what Oliver was illustrating that is truly horrifying.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:13:50am
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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:14:10am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I think it really does get at what John Oliver was saying that the most disturbing thing about the rise of authoritarianism wasn’t that there are people with authoritarian ambition but rather that there are plenty of regular people who will condone it.

Welcome to 1933.

If someone ever asks again how did Hitler get the people of Germany to allow all he did tell them they no longer need their history books.

Tell them to look around. This is how it happened.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:15:21am

re: #249 plansbandc

I don’t think we can afford to run a woman for President no matter how amazing she is. We will guarantee a loss. I think it really sucks, but misogyny rules this country.

72,000 votes spread across three states (Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania) and Hillary Clinton is president. Out of more than 136 million votes cast nationwide.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:16:43am

re: #324 Targetpractice

As I said above, I imagine the most likely scenario where this shit goes sideways due to these “orders” is when you have a small group of soldiers overwhelmed by a large group of refugees. …

and at that point, there will be so many conflicting stories of what happened that nobody will be able to report on it objectively.

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:16:53am

re: #232 makeitstop

Putin’s probably pretty mad right now.

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And Browder’s probably pretty relieved.

Wouldn’t you be? Especially after K’s dismemberment.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:17:05am

re: #327 ObserverArt

Welcome to 1933.

If someone ever asks again how did Hitler get the people of Germany to allow all he did tell them they no longer need their history books.

Tell them to look around. This is how it happened.

Oliver did such a great job of explaining how authoritarians rise. And man it was eerie because he was talking about a lot of the stuff Trump has in fact done. And it really has been the institutions with no help from the GOP of course that have reigned in some of his worse stuff.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:17:40am

re: #262 Targetpractice

Papadopoulous really does seem to think he’s gonna win in the end, that if a judge rules that Mueller’s authority/appointment/etc is unconstitutional, then his guilty plea is voided and he’ll get to dance around as a “winner.”

Wouldn’t be surprised that he thinks if he just puts on this show, Donny will issue him a pardon.

If you have already been forgotten as the coffee boy, can you even consider The Don will remember you enough to pardon you?

I don’t think so. Trump needs enough people to blame for the mess. Papadopoulos would be a good candidate, not much jail time, not a big name, all forgotten in time.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:18:20am

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and at that point, there will be so many conflicting stories of what happened that nobody will be able to report on it objectively.

And we’ll spend months if not years waiting for the final word, but long before that will have been all the political damage done by going with the first version of events which will be (of course) that of the soldiers trying to save their own asses by portraying it as a bunch of out-numbered soldiers facing down a violent mob.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:18:51am

re: #330 MsJ

Wouldn’t you be? Especially after K’s dismemberment.

Not to mention that on the eve of the vote, Russia publicly accused Browder of poisoning a Russian journalist.

There was a plan at work there - they’ve been trying to get their hands on Browder for years, and turning Interpol loose on him probably would have gotten it done.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:20:42am

re: #334 makeitstop

Not to mention that on the eve of the vote, Russia publicly accused Browder of poisoning a Russian journalist.

There was a plan at work there - they’ve been trying to get their hands on Browder for years, and turning Interpol loose on him probably would have gotten it done.

Which would leave Browder pretty screwed. Even Switzerland is an Interpol member.

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:21:25am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Okay how about O’Rourke or Brown paired with her?

As a woman, I say this…if we put up another woman for POTUS, we lose.

Period. End of discussion.

A woman as Veep *might* fly - although I struggle with that, as well.

I say this as a woman who is enormously disappointed by this absolute misogyny that is as widespread as racism is, as homophobia is. We would elect a gay black dude before any woman.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:21:38am

re: #328 KGxvi

72,000 votes spread across three states (Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania) and Hillary Clinton is president. Out of more than 136 million votes cast nationwide.

And Kamala doesn’t have a quarter century of a hate machine against her.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:22:19am

re: #332 ObserverArt

If you have already been forgotten as the coffee boy, can you even consider The Don will remember you enough to pardon you?

I don’t think so. Trump needs enough people to blame for the mess. Papadopoulos would be a good candidate, not much jail time, not a big name, all forgotten in time.

I think the Democratic House has killed Trump’s pardon plan. I suspect the thinking in GOP/Trumpist circles was that the Republicans would hold (even barely) the House and then he could fire whoever he needed to in order to get the Mueller investigation shut down, and issue pardons to everyone involved.

But now he (or at least those around him) has to understand that doing either of those things would result in impeachment. And while I don’t trust any of the Republicans in the Senate to do the right thing because it’s the right thing, I suspect a decent chunk of them would realize that allowing Trump to do that would doom the party in 2020 and beyond. If nothing else a sense of self-preservation among Republicans might at least get us an Andrew Johnson situation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:23:08am

re: #336 MsJ

As a woman, I say this…if we put up another woman for POTUS, we lose.

Period. End of discussion.

A woman as Veep *might* fly - although I struggle with that, as well.

I say this as a woman who is enormously disappointed by this absolute misogyny that is as widespread as racism is, as homophobia is. We would elect a gay black dude before any woman.

I dunno. It’s not like HRC got landslided. I think HRC definitely struggled with sexism. No doubt about it at all. Not just in the GE but the primaries too but I think someone like Harris, Klobuchar(my favorite dark horse), Duckworth would be solid on top.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:23:50am
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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:25:04am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

And Kamala doesn’t have a quarter century of a hate machine against her.

I don’t want to get into the whole “was Hillary Clinton a bad nominee?” discussion again, but suffice it to say, I think she had a few flaws that turned what would otherwise have been a blow out into a tough loss. And those results were unique to the nominees the major parties gave us.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:26:14am

re: #305 stpaulbear

A heavily-agriculture district in southern MN just flipped from blue to red. I’m having trouble finding sympathy for the farmers there.

none from me either

if i wasnt clear, i meant there are people without food who could and would eat that food that is instead rotting away

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:27:35am

re: #341 KGxvi

I don’t want to get into the whole “was Hillary Clinton a bad nominee?” discussion again, but suffice it to say, I think she had a few flaws that turned what would otherwise have been a blow out into a tough loss. And those results were unique to the nominees the major parties gave us.

I think she was flawed too. Some things beyond her control. Some things with in but it wasn’t just sexism that beat her IMO. That said, the shame of it is this to me, people actually like HRC when she’s in office, she was admired as FLOTUS, respected as a Senator, and supported as SOS too. But when she’s a candidate, she’s divisive and that’s a shame because I think HRC would have been a good President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:28:50am

re: #341 KGxvi

I don’t want to get into the whole “was Hillary Clinton a bad nominee?” discussion again, but suffice it to say, I think she had a few flaws that turned what would otherwise have been a blow out into a tough loss. And those results were unique to the nominees the major parties gave us.

yes, she had a lot of baggage and a lot of people, even whose who supported her candidacy, did not particularly like her.

I hope that 2016 stands out as a uniquely anomalous year in American electoral politics, if it becomes the norm, then we are fucked forever

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:29:37am

re: #340 gocart mozart

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Heh I like Monica’s sense of humor. But yeah I think Linda betrayed her trust on that. I don’t see Monica as a victim of Bill’s but I do see that she was a young woman and he was an older man. That said, that it got publicized the way it did was unfair not just to Bill IMO but Monica too. And I hope life is good to her. She’s not spiteful at all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:30:15am

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, she had a lot of baggage and a lot of people, even whose who supported her candidacy, did not particularly like her.

I hope that 2016 stands out as a uniquely anomalous year in American electoral politics, if it becomes the norm, then we are fucked forever

I actually came to like her more I learned about her. I think more people would if they did but impressions are hard to break.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:30:19am

re: #340 gocart mozart

It’s sort of amazing that it took 20 years for this to shift from being the Lewinski scandal to being the Clinton affair.

I wonder how different things would have been if the Democrats rallied around Jerry Brown or Paul Tsongas.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:30:33am

re: #321 ObserverArt

If they kill one woman or child, or even a man, it will be the end of this Administration. I hope Kelly and Trump and others would then be tried for breaking international law and put away for ever. We will see them in The Hague.

how far we’ve come that in a perverse way hoping our elected president is tried in The Hague

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:31:15am

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and at that point, there will be so many conflicting stories of what happened that nobody will be able to report on it objectively.

But it will still have been wrong and it will still piss off the world. And if it is that messy it will be even more clear how messed up our government is because they had no control.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:32:14am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

I actually came to like her more I learned about her. I think more people would if they did but impressions are hard to break.

I admired her as a qualified candidate but never liked her in any positive or personal sense…but democracy is not about voting for people you would choose, it is about choosing among people who are on the ballot…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:33:08am

re: #347 KGxvi

It’s sort of amazing that it took 20 years for this to shift from being the Lewinski scandal to being the Clinton affair.

I wonder how different things would have been if the Democrats rallied around Jerry Brown or Paul Tsongas.

Well Tsongas would have died in office likely. And despite the left’s hate for the Clintons and the “third way”, he would have been even more so but he was more socially liberal. Jerry Brown is an interesting what if. I dunno. Looking at it through hindsight and what I like, I would have liked Jerry or Tom Harkin. Harkin reminds me of Sherrod Brown now, a guy from a state considerably more conservative than he is, populist but not to the point of dismissing PoC, immigrants, women, etc.

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:34:25am
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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:35:31am

re: #336 MsJ

As a woman, I say this…if we put up another woman for POTUS, we lose.

Period. End of discussion.

A woman as Veep *might* fly - although I struggle with that, as well.

I say this as a woman who is enormously disappointed by this absolute misogyny that is as widespread as racism is, as homophobia is. We would elect a gay black dude before any woman.

There is no end to the discussion. Period.

A woman can be elected. This country is ready for it.

I’m surprised you are that down on the whole idea of it.

Didn’t this past election give you even a slight hint it can happen?

And yes, that is coming from a man, that has at least two other male friends who agree.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:35:44am

re: #350 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I admired her as a qualified candidate but never liked her in any sense…but democracy is not about voting for people you would choose, it is about choosing among people who are on the ballot…

My reading about her work exposing racism in Arkansas as a young attorney was pretty impressive and honestly I think she’s a success story. I liked Obama more than her but I definitely came to see why so many people like and admire HRC and I kind of resent the narrative that everyone disliked her. She actually did better than Obama in some places but unfortunately she regressed in a lot of areas too. Ironically those had been areas that she beat Obama in the 2008 primaries in. I liked 2016 HRC more than 2008 HRC. The former was a much more open-minded person and the 2008 one I think just played it safe too much on the trail and that’s why she lost in 2008 but won in 2016.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:36:01am

re: #342 dangerman

none from me either

if i wasnt clear, i meant there are people without food who could and would eat that food that is instead rotting away

That would violate the teaching of republican Jesus. See also medicare/medicaid work requirements.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:36:32am

Another 1992 wild card is what if Cuomo runs.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:37:07am
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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:37:27am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

I dunno. It’s not like HRC got landslided. I think HRC definitely struggled with sexism. No doubt about it at all. Not just in the GE but the primaries too but I think someone like Harris, Klobuchar(my favorite dark horse), Duckworth would be solid on top.

i wont say sexism wasnt a factor. it was - the flu, when she tripped, etc
i will say that she was pummeled with other things far more relentlessly and effectively that were not related to ‘she’s a woman’

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:37:52am

TBH though I think that Clinton in 1992 was the right candidate at the right time. I don’t think Jerry or Tsongas would have been a stark enough contrast on the surface between them and Bush. That said, it is too bad that Jerry Brown is in his 80’s because he really has governed by example in California.

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:39:23am

re: #353 ObserverArt

There is no end to the discussion. Period.

A woman can be elected. This country is ready for it.

I’m surprised you are that down on the whole idea of it.

Didn’t this past election give you even a slight hint it can happen?

And yes, that is coming from a man, that has at least two other male friends who agree.

We didn’t elect the single most qualified candidate in a generation.

Do you think red states are going to vote for a woman? I don’t.

Do you think the hit jobs the entire right wing machine, along with their Russian friends (and other nation’s bots) are going to go Rah Rah, You Go Girl!? I don’t.

If we didn’t elect the single most qualified candidate in a generation, what makes you think another woman with far lesser qualifications is going to get past all the hurdles?

Good on you and your friends, and the millions of others who would be good with any qualified woman candidate. Too many would not.

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plansbandc  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:39:24am

re: #317 ObserverArt

I hope you are right, because I think the Dems will run a woman. I think it’s a mistake.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:39:25am

re: #358 dangerman

i wont say sexism wasnt a factor. it was - the flu, when she tripped, etc
i will say that she was pummeled with other things far more relentlessly and effectively that were not related to ‘she’s a woman’

I think there were double standards that first Bernie got away with and later Trump as men. And hell I say this as someone who supported him in 2008 but Obama probably did too but Obama unlike Sanders and Trump is at least aware of sexism or not in denial about it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:40:22am

re: #360 MsJ

We didn’t elect the single most qualified candidate in a generation.

Do you think red states are going to vote for a woman? I don’t.

Do you think the hit jobs the entire right wing machine, along with their Russian friends (and other nation’s bots) are going to go Rah Rah, You Go Girl!? I don’t.

If we didn’t elect the single most qualified candidate in a generation, what makes you think another woman with far lesser qualifications is going to get past all the hurdles?

Good on you and your friends, and the millions of others who would be good with any qualified woman candidate. Too many would not.

Well don’t forget about how hated that one woman was. I definitely see where you’re coming from though.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:40:54am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Well Tsongas would have died in office likely. And despite the left’s hate for the Clintons and the “third way”, he would have been even more so but he was more socially liberal. Jerry Brown is an interesting what if. I dunno. Looking at it through hindsight and what I like, I would have liked Jerry or Tom Harkin. Harkin reminds me of Sherrod Brown now, a guy from a state considerably more conservative than he is, populist but not to the point of dismissing PoC, immigrants, women, etc.

Brown is a very interesting person. I’m going to have to find a biography on him at some point. But I think at the end of the day, the fact that he wasn’t married and was of “unusual” religious beliefs (he apparently spent the better part of the 80s studying Zen Buddhism), probably would have been too much for too many voters. Then again, if Buchannan still challenges Bush, maybe Brown would have been president.

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plansbandc  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:41:32am

re: #336 MsJ

Yes. This is exactly what I think.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:41:40am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Heh I like Monica’s sense of humor. But yeah I think Linda betrayed her trust on that. I don’t see Monica as a victim of Bill’s but I do see that she was a young woman and he was an older man. That said, that it got publicized the way it did was unfair not just to Bill IMO but Monica too. And I hope life is good to her. She’s not spiteful at all.

page one of the book - how an investigation totally lost sight of its reason for being and turned into a witch hunt because it absolutely had to find something

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:43:23am

re: #352 MsJ

What would you serve trump for thanksgiving ?

papers

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:43:24am

re: #361 plansbandc

0iwFHReZxjhRATOq/Mw8diTdp5TSRQhp2jIudIyyLNJMxFVypMUXLRaDx+VBFojHezMsaLXkorvGRJuOM4dQWg==

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:44:25am

re: #353 ObserverArt

There is no end to the discussion. Period.

A woman can be elected. This country is ready for it.

I’m surprised you are that down on the whole idea of it.

Didn’t this past election give you even a slight hint it can happen?

And yes, that is coming from a man, that has at least two other male friends who agree.

i’ve said here before (and recently)
i’d be happy if women ran everything
and i’d have no problem voting for all of them

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gwangung  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:44:57am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

My reading about her work exposing racism in Arkansas as a young attorney was pretty impressive and honestly I think she’s a success story..

That this got flushed down the memory hole and that some folks consistently insisted that Sanders was much better in the civil rights era is a sign of the persistent sexism that infects even the most progressive of people (including women).

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:46:19am

re: #360 MsJ

We didn’t elect the single most qualified candidate in a generation.

Do you think red states are going to vote for a woman? I don’t.

Do you think the hit jobs the entire right wing machine, along with their Russian friends (and other nation’s bots) are going to go Rah Rah, You Go Girl!? I don’t.

If we didn’t elect the single most qualified candidate in a generation, what makes you think another woman with far lesser qualifications is going to get past all the hurdles?

Good on you and your friends, and the millions of others who would be good with any qualified woman candidate. Too many would not.

The single most qualified woman that had a 30 year history of being abused as a politician and person that was easily dug up and used against her very effectively.

That worked so well, some people here at LGF voted for her and still hold those many years of “baggage” against her

A woman hated by Putin.

What can all those you mention throw at someone like Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar?

You have many women in the House and Senate and now in local governments like never before to help in that push. Two years of their being in office and doing well will change minds about women in politics.

2020 will be nothing like 2016, except for the fact that Trump is going to have the baggage now that a strong woman candidate can use against him.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:47:16am

re: #357 gocart mozart

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that chimp could probably get a CCW here in florida

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plansbandc  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:47:46am

re: #369 dangerman

I think most of the dudes here would as well, but most certainly not the majority of men in this country. It’s not a “not all dudes” situation. It’s how utterly misogynistic a big portion of this country is. And I don’t see it changing any time soon.

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:49:57am

re: #360 MsJ

We didn’t elect the single most qualified candidate in a generation.

Do you think red states are going to vote for a woman? I don’t.

Do you think the hit jobs the entire right wing machine, along with their Russian friends (and other nation’s bots) are going to go Rah Rah, You Go Girl!? I don’t.

If we didn’t elect the single most qualified candidate in a generation, what makes you think another woman with far lesser qualifications is going to get past all the hurdles?

Good on you and your friends, and the millions of others who would be good with any qualified woman candidate. Too many would not.

She won the popular vote. A lead of 3 million there means something.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:52:43am

re: #373 plansbandc

I think most of the dudes here would as well, but most certainly not the majority of men in this country. It’s not a “not all dudes” situation. It’s how utterly misogynistic a big portion of this country is. And I don’t see it changing any time soon.

It doesn’t have to change that much. You are not looking at real numbers. This last election the female vote was way up as were increases in people of color and youth.

And you seem to skip right past the fact Hillary did not lose by all that much. How did that happen if the male vote is so all powerful? Those 80,000 votes can easily be swamped by increases in those I mention.

I’m not looking at the past. I am looking at the future. It is where we are going.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:53:41am

re: #371 ObserverArt

The single most qualified woman that had a 30 year history of being abused as a politician and person that was easily dug up and used against her very effectively.

That worked so well, some people here at LGF voted for her and still hold those many years of “baggage” against her

A woman hated by Putin.

What can all those you mention throw at someone like Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar?

You have many women in the House and Senate and now in local governments like never before to help in that push. Two years of their being in office and doing well will change minds about women in politics.

2020 will be nothing like 2016, except for the fact that Trump is going to have the baggage now that a strong woman candidate can use against him.

And considering the abandonment of the GOP during the midterms by a great number of women voters, it’s quite possible Trump’s storied misogyny could be wielded more effectively by a woman candidate (whether President or Vice-President).

Note it wasn’t Geraldine Ferraro who lost the election campaign against Ronald Reagan in 1984 (and I was glad to vote for the Mondale/Ferraro ticket then).

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:53:56am

re: #293 lawhawk

I don’t consider them caving so much as realizing their attempts to steal the spotlight for a few days was an ill advised adventure. They were never going to seriously challenge her…they know she’s the best Speaker the house has ever had.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 9:55:28am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

I think there were double standards that first Bernie got away with and later Trump as men. And hell I say this as someone who supported him in 2008 but Obama probably did too but Obama unlike Sanders and Trump is at least aware of sexism or not in denial about it.

An awful lot of Bernie “supporters” were ratfuckers, trolls and bots.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:00:45am

re: #373 plansbandc

I think most of the dudes here would as well, but most certainly not the majority of men in this country. It’s not a “not all dudes” situation. It’s how utterly misogynistic a big portion of this country is. And I don’t see it changing any time soon.

this is true, sadly, and of course.
and even in the daily shit show that things have been for the last two years, i hold out some rays of hope

- clinton beat sanders because she was better. not because she’s a woman
- clinton came close in the general by many metrics. a couple of things handled differently and we’re not even having this discussion
- democrats clearly embrace women as candidates far more, and more effectively than r’s. the new house makeup is stark. so we have/or will have a deep bench
- going forward, and for no reason other than ‘hope’ i think the country will elect a woman the way it elected obama. obama didnt win because he’s black.

and that is the right person in the right circumstances (who is a woman)
not - ‘the time is right to elect a woman’. because that’s putting gender, not qualifications first

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:04:14am

re: #275 sagehen

O’Rourke can run later… after he’s won something statewide, has some experience, etc. A wonderful talented campaigner who came close in TX isn’t much of a resume. (when’s the next TX senate race? or Gov?)

He was the representative from El Paso in the US House from 2013 until he chose to run for Senate.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:07:12am

re: #293 lawhawk

I dare someone to say she can’t get the votes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:08:45am
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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:10:09am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:12:48am
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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:13:13am

re: #380 Belafon

He was the representative from El Paso in the US House from 2013 until he chose to run for Senate.

And he served at the county level and the city level. El Paso may not be much, but it’s three times bigger than the biggest city in NM. And a mere tiny suburb of Juarez. Which is of course, in another country, and may not be of any help to Beto, politically, but he co-wrote a book on how to take down the cartels. And look where Chapo is now. Coincidence? Probably.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:13:35am

re: #384 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:14:53am

re: #386 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He went on to say “Besides, we don’t owe fealty to a president, we owe it to our political party’s donors.”

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:14:56am

re: #383 darthstar

Our so-called president spends his executive time insulting people. Sad.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:15:46am

re: #382 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

One of the interesting things about machine learning is that, unlike other predictable software engineering applications, this is really dependent on the biases of the input.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:16:09am

re: #384 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So presidential such very leadership.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:16:40am

re: #384 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Countdown to Trump calling him a Hillary fan in 3…2…1…

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:18:00am

re: #388 Sir John Barron

Our so-called president spends his executive time insulting people. Sad.

He needs ‘executive time’ and ‘policy time’ and ‘pee time’…

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:19:05am

Thank you Justice Roberts.

Shut up Big Don, and sit the fuck down.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:19:27am

re: #385 wrenchwench

And he served at the county level and the city level. El Paso may not be much, but it’s three times bigger than the biggest city in NM. And a mere tiny suburb of Juarez. Which is of course, in another country, and may not be of any help to Beto, politically, but he co-wrote a book on how to take down the cartels. And look where Chapo is now. Coincidence? Probably.

Half again as large as the largest city in Nebraska (Omaha).

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nines09  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:21:34am

Just because. Safe travels all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:21:34am

Wonkette with the snarky headlines:

Marcia Fudge Melts Before Hot Fire of Nancy Pelosi’s Gavel Of Doom

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:22:36am

The only thing I don’t like about Harris-O’Rourke is that it doesn’t help to get favorite daughter votes in CA.

There were a lot of things that went against Cljnton that another woman will not have to face in 2020:
1. She’s a Clinton. How many people kn the left derided her for defending Bill, of that she’s part of a dynasty.
2. The economy was doing well, allowing people to explore their “why don’t we try letting the wreckers be in charge?’
3. “Trump can’t win.” Until he did.
4. Too many people just didn’t believe we’d end up here.

I think, as we saw this year, though, a lot of people are awake.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:22:43am

re: #370 gwangung

That this got flushed down the memory hole and that some folks consistently insisted that Sanders was much better in the civil rights era is a sign of the persistent sexism that infects even the most progressive of people (including women).

They attacked her for being a Goldwater supporter as a 17 year old and compared it to what Bernie did at age 23. It definitely showed sexism and ignorance. And yep learning that really gave me a lot of respect for her. Also learning about her job as a PD too. That’s a tough job and I was disgusted how Trump used a rape victim to attack her for it. I felt bad for that woman but HRC did not attack that woman.

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:22:46am

Meanwhile, the comments are all about how the accompanying picture shows someone climbing a fence, therefore none of the asylum seekers could possibly be kids and must all be filthy border jumpers or some dumb shit.

Because clearly, clearly, the picture is the end all, be all of the issue and is an absolute representation of it. Clearly….

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:22:54am

re: #384 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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How often does the CJ issue this kind of statement?

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:23:04am

re: #391 darthstar

Countdown to Trump calling him a Hillary fan in 3…2…1…

Trump most likely: “Bush was a terrible weak president. Not strong like Trump. Trump would never have put a weak judge on the Supreme Court like Roberts. He let Obama go on Obama care. A lot of people didn’t know that.”

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:24:58am
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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:25:18am

re: #395 nines09

Just because. Safe travels all.

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Heh, you gotta watch where you step around that cute li’l’ pupper.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:26:18am

re: #397 Belafon

The only thing I don’t like about Harris-O’Rourke is that it doesn’t help to get favorite daughter votes in CA.

There were a lot of things that went against Cljnton that another woman will not have to face in 2020:
1. She’s a Clinton. How many people kn the left derided her for defending Bill, of that she’s part of a dynasty.
2. The economy was doing well, allowing people to explore their “why don’t we try letting the wreckers be in charge?’
3. “Trump can’t win.” Until he did.
4. Too many people just didn’t believe we’d end up here.

I think, as we saw this year, though, a lot of people are awake.

There’s another thing but I think Trump benefited as a challenger in a way he won’t as an incumbent. Trump’s whole thing has always been “I can do it better than anyone else” and we’re seeing that to be a total sham. That does go with your 3 though.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:26:38am

re: #400 dangerman

How often does the CJ issue this kind of statement?

hey, looks like another first for the Trump presidency

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:27:16am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:28:05am

re: #406 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I wish we could keep the kid and deport Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:28:11am

re: #396 Anymouse 🌹

Wonkette with the snarky headlines:

Marcia Fudge Melts Before Hot Fire of Nancy Pelosi’s Gavel Of Doom

The #FiveWhiteGuys have tried for no reason to block Nancy Pelosi from a return engagement as speaker of the House.

They make pretty good burgers, though.

fiveguys.com

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:28:12am

re: #397 Belafon

The only thing I don’t like about Harris-O’Rourke is that it doesn’t help to get favorite daughter votes in CA.

There were a lot of things that went against Cljnton that another woman will not have to face in 2020:
1. She’s a Clinton. How many people kn the left derided her for defending Bill, of that she’s part of a dynasty.
2. The economy was doing well, allowing people to explore their “why don’t we try letting the wreckers be in charge?’
3. “Trump can’t win.” Until he did.
4. Too many people just didn’t believe we’d end up here.

I think, as we saw this year, though, a lot of people are awake.

I’m not sure the favorite child vote is still actually a thing. Though it’s hard to say because the last “liberal from a conservative state” was probably Gore in 2000 (and he didn’t win Tennessee), and the last “conservative from a liberal state” was technically Trump but he was also running against someone from New York. And for what it’s worth Romney only won one of his three home states in 2012 (Utah, while losing Michigan and Massachusetts).

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nines09  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:28:22am

re: #403 ObserverArt

Heh, you gotta watch where you step around that cute li’l’ pupper.

Our Cookie does that to this day. Romps like a hobby horse, and spins down the hall when he wants a treat. He knows what buttons to push.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:28:59am

re: #400 dangerman

How often does the CJ issue this kind of statement?

How often have we had a president this clueless yet so willing to say stuff that pisses off a CJ?

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:29:29am

re: #405 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

hey, looks like another first for the Trump presidency

Next from Roberts:

Shut up don you’re not the boss of us
Oh and none of us talks to kavanaugh

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:30:07am

re: #406 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The kind of thing that shows that Trump and co. don’t care about MS-13 except as a useful boogeyman and scapegoat.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:30:31am

re: #404 HappyWarrior

There’s another thing but I think Trump benefited as a challenger in a way he won’t as an incumbent. Trump’s whole thing has always been “I can do it better than anyone else” and we’re seeing that to be a total sham. That does go with your 3 though.

For pretty much my entire life, I’ve been hearing some formulation of “not another career politician” or “we need to run government like a business”. Trump offered voters both of those things. And older white folks jumped on it, to the chagrin of [checks notes] every fucking one else on the planet.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:30:33am

re: #409 KGxvi

I’m not sure the favorite child vote is still actually a thing. Though it’s hard to say because the last “liberal from a conservative state” was probably Gore in 2000 (and he didn’t win Tennessee), and the last “conservative from a liberal state” was technically Trump but he was also running against someone from New York. And for what it’s worth Romney only won one of his three home states in 2012 (Utah, while losing Michigan and Massachusetts).

I found it darkly humorous that the people who embraced Trump the most were those who knew about him the least. New Yorkers especially people in NYC embraced him among the least. I forget though. What state was Romney listed as in 2012?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:31:03am

re: #408 Sir John Barron

They make pretty good burgers, though.

fiveguys.com

The first time we went to a Five Guys was when they opened a new franchise in Cheyenne.

My wife was wearing a long white dress with giant red polka dots. Neither of us was aware that Five Guys uses red and white tiles for their interior decor.

She commented that she was sort of like the critter in Predator when seen against the wall in Five Guys, just enough difference that you could detect her if you looked closely or she moved.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:31:37am

re: #414 KGxvi

For pretty much my entire life, I’ve been hearing some formulation of “not another career politician” or “we need to run government like a business”. Trump offered voters both of those things. And older white folks jumped on it, to the chagrin of [checks notes] every fucking one else on the planet.

Yeah I hope we never hear about how we need more businessmen after W and Trump have proved they don’t know what they’re doing especially Trump whose entire thing was being a businessman. W at least had his gubernatorial experience.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:31:55am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:31:57am

re: #401 ObserverArt

Trump most likely: “Bush was a terrible weak president. Not strong like Trump. Trump would never have put a weak judge on the Supreme Court like Roberts. He let Obama go on Obama care. A lot of people didn’t know that.”

“Roberts was paid off by George Soros to force Obamacare down our throats and end Republican plans to protect people with preexisting conditions.”

/

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:32:01am

re: #408 Sir John Barron

They make pretty good burgers, though.

fiveguys.com

Better than In & Out. Sorry not sorry West Coasters.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:32:45am

re: #418 jaunte

“moar witch hunt what about….”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:32:47am

Have we forgotten that Hillary Clinton actually won the election by 3,000,000 votes? After 30 years of nonstop vilification by all forms of media? And that the Electoral Vote was flipped by Russian hackers changing a few thousand strategically placed votes? And no, I will never believe otherwise, so don’t @ me, as the kids say….

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:32:52am

re: #415 HappyWarrior

I found it darkly humorous that the people who embraced Trump the most were those who knew about him the least. New Yorkers especially people in NYC embraced him among the least. I forget though. What state was Romney listed as in 2012?

I’m assuming Romney was listed as from Massachusetts in 2012. At least that’s what wikipedia.

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Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:33:44am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I am so disgusted by what this administration does to our country. It ain’t right. I know we’ve always been flawed but we were fucking progressing. This isn’t one step forward, two steps back, this is one step forward and one giant leap back.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:33:45am

re: #414 KGxvi

For pretty much my entire life, I’ve been hearing some formulation of “not another career politician” or “we need to run government like a business”. Trump offered voters both of those things. And older white folks jumped on it, to the chagrin of [checks notes] every fucking one else on the planet.

Trump’s time in office should pretty much shoot that mantra in the head, but it won’t. Instead, we’re gonna get “Oh, well, we need a ‘succesful’ businessman” or “Well, we need a different businessman.”

I found myself realizing the other day it was like if people had gotten their wish and Ross Perot had won in ‘92. There was every indication that the man was a nut who had no clue had to run the government, but he was a “successful businessman,” so people were conned into believing that meant “smart guy.” If he’d run on the GOP ticket, we might very well be lamenting the years lost to the “Perot administration.”

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:34:21am

re: #400 dangerman

How often does the CJ issue this kind of statement?

Probably a first.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:34:31am

re: #423 KGxvi

I’m assuming Romney was listed as from Massachusetts in 2012. At least that’s what wikipedia.

I’d trust Wiki. I cannot believe Mitt is back in office. Cannot wait to see what the Romney 5.0: Post Presidential nominee edition offers. I’m hoping for a little less smiling after consulate attacks and less xenophobia.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:35:20am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:36:27am

re: #425 Targetpractice

Trump’s time in office should pretty much shoot that mantra in the head, but it won’t. Instead, we’re gonna get “Oh, well, we need a ‘succesful’ businessman” or “Well, we need a different businessman.”

I found myself realizing the other day it was like if people had gotten their wish and Ross Perot had won in ‘92. There was every indication that the man was a nut who had no clue had to run the government, but he was a “successful businessman,” so people were conned into believing that meant “smart guy.” If he’d run on the GOP ticket, we might very well be lamenting the years lost to the “Perot administration.”

See even though I’m not anti business, I always liked this JFK quote and bear in mind JFK’s father was a businessman.
My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it till now. — (Comment made 10 April 1962 in reaction to news that U.S. Steel was raising prices by $6 per ton, right after the unions negotiated a modest new contract under pressure from JFK to keep inflation down.)

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:36:29am

re: #421 Sir John Barron

“moar witch hunt what about….”

“I see sanctioned people.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:36:40am
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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:36:47am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Better than In & Out. Sorry not sorry West Coasters.

Smashburger FTW. Their fries are almost too good to exist on this planet.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:37:58am

re: #431 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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We don’t talk about Manos. *shudders*

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:38:18am

re: #431 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I remember when wingnuts hated Piers just as much as liberals do because Piers hates guns but he hates women and transgendered people more.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:39:31am

re: #430 jaunte

“I see sanctioned people.”

Money laundering is one of those crimes that comes with more than a three week sentence. And while there will probably be one or two Democrats who get swept up in that net when it’s cast, I suspect it will hit GOP leadership even harder.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:39:38am

re: #432 makeitstop

Smashburger FTW. Their fries are almost too good to exist on this planet.

Well, well I know where I’m eating the next time I’m at Dulles! Haven’t had their burgers yet.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:40:49am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

I’d trust Wiki. I cannot believe Mitt is back in office. Cannot wait to see what the Romney 5.0: Post Presidential nominee edition offers. I’m hoping for a little less smiling after consulate attacks and less xenophobia.

“Hillary should go away.”
“Shut the fuck up. Mitt’s a senator.”

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:41:19am

re: #412 dangerman

Next from Roberts:

Shut up don you’re not the boss of us
Oh and none of us talks to kavanaugh

…And we gave him the chair with the uneven leg

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:41:23am

re: #436 HappyWarrior

Well, well I know where I’m eating the next time I’m at Dulles! Haven’t had their burgers yet.

Really good, bro. My wife the vegetarian even loves their veggie burgers.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:41:29am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

I can’t disagree unless you are getting In-N-Out done right meaning animal style on your double double and fries well done. That, IMO, is the only way to do in-n-out right.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:42:52am

re: #431 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Is Piers attacking an almost child now? He and Drump would get along fine.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:43:36am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:44:39am

re: #437 Belafon

“Hillary should go away.”
“Shut the fuck up. Mitt’s a senator.”

And in six years: “Could Romney be the presidential choice for a post-Trump GOP?”

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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:47:26am

re: #443 Targetpractice

And in six years: “Could Romney be the presidential choice for a post-Trump GOP?”

I look forward to the primary battle between him and Rick Scott.

And by ‘look forward to’, I mean ‘dread horrifically’.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:47:28am

re: #425 Targetpractice

Trump’s time in office should pretty much shoot that mantra in the head, but it won’t. Instead, we’re gonna get “Oh, well, we need a ‘succesful’ businessman” or “Well, we need a different businessman.”

I found myself realizing the other day it was like if people had gotten their wish and Ross Perot had won in ‘92. There was every indication that the man was a nut who had no clue had to run the government, but he was a “successful businessman,” so people were conned into believing that meant “smart guy.” If he’d run on the GOP ticket, we might very well be lamenting the years lost to the “Perot administration.”

Perot at least had the decency to have his meltdown during the campaign, rather than once in office. That’s another book, I need to read, is there a definitive history of Perot’s 1992 campaign? Because the wikipedia entry makes it sound amazing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:47:45am

re: #440 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I can’t disagree unless you are getting In-N-Out done right meaning animal style on your double double and fries well done. That, IMO, is the only way to do in-n-out right.

Yeah I just got it regular. Don’t get me wrong. It’s not a bad burger. I just see their burgers made out to be the greatest and Five Guys is better. FWIW best burger I ever had was near a reservation in New Mexico. Too bad my buddy moved because I’m not going to be near ABQ anytime soon.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:47:53am

re: #432 makeitstop

Smashburger FTW. Their fries are almost too good to exist on this planet.

I didn’t realize, we have three of them here in Columbus. Snuck ‘em right in without me knowing. I guess that is what happens when you pretty much hang in the central part of this city. They are all miles from me in suburbia. If out and about sometime, I will check ‘em out.

We are going to be burgered out…as we are going to get a Wahlburger or two now that Mark has taken over and opened Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:48:34am

re: #441 Sir John Barron

Is Piers attacking an almost child now? He and Drump would get along fine.

She’s 25. But yeah he is acting a lot like Trump.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:48:44am

“Look at all those people being deliberately starved to death in Yemen, for example. Sure, it’s a massive war crime, but nothing compared to possibly not buying as many of our weapons as they promised.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:49:10am

re: #447 ObserverArt

I didn’t realize, we have three of them here in Columbus. Snuck ‘em right in without me knowing. I guess that is what happens when you pretty much hang in the central part of this city. They are all miles from me in suburbia. If out and about sometime, I will check ‘em out.

We are going to be burgered out…as we are going to get a Wahlburger or two now that Mark has taken over and opened Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet.

Haven’t been to the Wahlburgers yet nor seen one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:49:31am

“run government like a business” has some merit on a certain level: government should be run on transparent, sustainable principles.

but there the similarity ends. a government is there to benefit all and not to make a profit, a business exists to maximize profits for a limited group of shareholders.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:49:54am

re: #449 jaunte

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“Look at all those people being deliberately starved to death in Yemen, for example. Sure, it’s a massive war crime, but nothing compared to possibly not buying as many of our weapons as they promised.”

“They let women drive now, what more do you want?”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:50:00am

re: #449 jaunte

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“Look at all those people being deliberately starved to death in Yemen, for example. Sure, it’s a massive war crime, but nothing compared to possibly not buying as many of our weapons as they promised.”

Remember when people like you accused Obama of sympathizing with Islamist terrorism because he didn’t say the magic words, Mike, here you are justifying an autocratic regime. You’re a disgrace as SoS.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:50:14am
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Citizen K  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:50:17am

re: #449 jaunte

Says the man who literally tried to hand over a ‘get out of jail free’ card to the Saudis over Khashoggi.

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Teukka  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:50:17am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:50:28am

re: #443 Targetpractice

And in six years: “Could Romney be the presidential choice for a post-Trump GOP?”

“Only liberals committed to a politics of identity could possibly object.”

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:50:57am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Better than In & Out. Sorry not sorry West Coasters.

:p

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:51:01am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“run government like a business” has some merit on a certain level: government should be run on transparent, sustainable principles.

but there the similarity ends. a government is there to benefit all and not to make a profit, a business exists to maximize profits for a limited group of shareholders.

But those abstract ideas could apply to a non-profit too. Run government like a business is just empty rhetoric by people who are out of touch with people from spendign way too much time in board meetings and on the putting green.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:51:15am

re: #452 Targetpractice

“They let women drive now, what more do you want?”

“Sure, they jailed the most prominent advocate of that, but….”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:51:35am

re: #456 Teukka

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Good I like seeing RT upset like I like seeing FNC upset. If they’re upset. Something is good.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:51:56am
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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:52:05am

re: #454 gocart mozart

Possible explanations:

“a sucker is born every minute”
“you can fool some of the people all the time…”

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:52:23am

re: #445 KGxvi

Perot at least had the decency to have his meltdown during the campaign, rather than once in office. That’s another book, I need to read, is there a definitive history of Perot’s 1992 campaign? Because the wikipedia entry makes it sound amazing.

He had charts and graphs!
And adm Stockdale

What innocent times

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:52:52am

re: #458 Dr Lizardo

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:p

Ha-ha. I just like Five Guys better. I think the meat is more fresh and the fries better. Now the bun is better at In and Out. That is one complaint I ahve with Five Guys, their buns could be better but other than that.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:53:07am

re: #454 gocart mozart

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Without resorting to Google, I’m gonna guess “wedding anniversary presents.”

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:53:34am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

Yeah I just got it regular. Don’t get me wrong. It’s not a bad burger. I just see their burgers made out to be the greatest and Five Guys is better. FWIW best burger I ever had was near a reservation in New Mexico. Too bad my buddy moved because I’m not going to be near ABQ anytime soon.

Best burger I’ve ever had is at this place - not far from me, actually:

restaurace-florian.cz

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:53:57am

I’m going to pick this hill to die on:

All fast food burgers are trash.

Except for Fatburger.

Fight me.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:54:34am

re: #456 Teukka

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“How could Comrade Trump do this to us! Doesn’t he know we have his balls in a vice?! Wait, what do you mean the cameras are still on?”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:55:54am

re: #467 Dr Lizardo

Best burger I’ve ever had is at this place - not far from me, actually:

restaurace-florian.cz

When I travel, I usually try to eat local foods but I felt like a burger one day in Bratislava this summer. Went to a place called Corleone’s near my hostel. It was pretty neat. All the items were named after Godfather characters since I love John Cazale, I had to get me a Fredo. It had shrimp on it too and how often do you get shrimp on a burger. Not the best burger I ever had but it was for a good price and the fries were good.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:56:22am

re: #469 Targetpractice

“How could Comrade Trump do this to us! Doesn’t he know we have his balls in a vice?! Wait, what do you mean the cameras are still on?”

Hell, they say literally that all the time. It’s only the US Media that refuse to say so.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 21, 2018 • 10:58:58am

I was combing though some of Milloy’s tweets, and some responders, apparently unfamiliar with his career, assumed it was a parody account.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:00:32am

re: #473 Ace-o-aces

I think I could design an experiment to convince him otherwise.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:01:05am

re: #473 Ace-o-aces

Waiting for his explanation of why being 2/3 water means we can never drown.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:01:12am

re: #467 Dr Lizardo

Best burger I’ve ever had is at this place - not far from me, actually:

restaurace-florian.cz

My favorite/best burgers:

1. Plan Check Sawtelle - the Chef’s Favorite.
2. Bachi Burger (Henderson, NV) - Miyagi-san burger.
3. Gordon Ramsay’s Burger (Planet Hollywood in Vegas) - I think it was the Farmhouse burger, but it might have been a special

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:01:20am

re: #473 Ace-o-aces

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I was combing though some of Milloy’s tweets, and some responders, apparently unfamiliar with his career, assumed it was a parody account.

Yes, but is cyanide also a floor wax?

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:02:17am

re: #464 dangerman

He had charts and graphs!
And adm Stockdale

What innocent times

‘Case closed! Problem solved!’

Squirrely lil’ feller.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:02:32am

re: #476 KGxvi

My favorite/best burgers:

1. Plan Check Sawtelle - the Chef’s Favorite.
2. Bachi Burger (Henderson, NV) - Miyagi-san burger.
3. Gordon Ramsay’s Burger (Planet Hollywood in Vegas) - I think it was the Farmhouse burger, but it might have been a special

Looks good.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:02:34am

re: #477 Targetpractice

Yes, but is cyanide also a floor wax?

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+1

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:02:35am

Shot:

Chaser:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:03:37am

As a former Arizonan, the only real burgers are mesquite grilled and then topped by your own personal choices from the salad bar.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:04:00am

re: #479 Dr Lizardo

Looks good.

They were, and I’m going to Vegas this weekend, so there’s a better than even chance I’m getting the Gordon Ramsay one for sure. I have a few more, but those three are the one’s that always come to mind.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:04:06am

re: #468 KGxvi

I’m going to pick this hill to die on:

All fast food burgers are trash.

Except for Fatburger.

Fight me.

“It is dangerous for the rest of us for you to think you have the ultimate ideology”

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:06:46am

Since burger talk is ongoing…what are Red Robin’s like? There are three of them around the area…never had one. Actually I don’t remember people talking about them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:07:00am

Mine would be’

1) Laguna Burger: thelagunaburger.com
Get it with the green chile on it and the fries are really fresh too.

2.) Melt Gourmet Burger:
meltgourmetcheeseburgers.com

3.) Market Burger
marketburger.net

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:07:46am

re: #481 darthstar

Shot:

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It literally is an ice rink.

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nines09  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:08:01am
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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:08:41am

re: #485 ObserverArt

Since burger talk is ongoing…what are Red Robin’s like? There are three of them around the area…never had one. Actually I don’t remember people talking about them.

It’s been forever since I’ve been to a Red Robin’s, but they were decent, as I remember them. The real benefit of Red Robin’s is bottomless fries.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:10:29am

re: #485 ObserverArt

Since burger talk is ongoing…what are Red Robin’s like? There are three of them around the area…never had one. Actually I don’t remember people talking about them.

I give them a solid B. They have a good variety of choices in burgers, bottom less fries (closer to steak fries). I’d say a step above Fuddruckers which was my favorite burger place as a kid because I loved the melted cheese as a topping and the free cookie! Was the place to have team parties at the end of baseball and basketball season.

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nines09  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:10:47am

re: #485 ObserverArt

Upscale Applebees without the styling.
Bad. At least the ones I’ve visited.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:10:48am

I like a simple steak burger from Steak N Shake (or Scrape and Squeeze, as my dad and his friends called it in their youth in Illinois).

Also, wasn’t it Newton’s fifth or six law about a wine-buzzed object pulled by an impulsive and strong puppy across a snow-covered patch of ice will fall like a sack of potatoes?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:11:20am

re: #488 nines09

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Anyone know Ukrainian?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:12:21am

Another food topic but underrated sides. For me, it’s hush puppies. If a place has them, I usually get em.

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Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:12:31am

Hoisted, own petard and all that:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:12:50am

re: #491 nines09

Upscale Applebees without the styling.
Bad. At least the ones I’ve visited.

To each his own but I really liked their Whiskey River BBQ burger.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:13:07am

re: #490 HappyWarrior

I give them a solid B. They have a good variety of choices in burgers, bottom less fries (closer to steak fries). I’d say a step above Fuddruckers which was my favorite burger place as a kid because I loved the melted cheese as a topping and the free cookie! Was the place to have team parties at the end of baseball and basketball season.

Ok, those are fighting words.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:13:12am

re: #495 Interesting Times

Hoisted, own petard and all that:

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Oh Ivanka.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:14:07am

re: #497 KGxvi

Ok, those are fighting words.

I dunno man, Fudd’s seems to have slipped in recent years but what they have done what I really like is have non traditional meats. My brother and I split an elk burger a couple months back there.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:14:22am
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jaunte  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:15:27am

Trump is finding some of the worst people in the country to work for him.

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nines09  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:15:36am

re: #496 HappyWarrior

I judge the food I eat by how it treats me afterwards. The upchuck factor, or so. The greasy queasy. The afterglow. Coating on tongue. Flavored burps.
So on.
RR has less than some but more than others.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:15:39am

re: #500 jaunte

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NO wonder why Trump likes him.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:15:50am

He’s like a moral garbage filter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:16:02am

re: #502 nines09

I judge the food I eat by how it treats me afterwards. The upchuck factor, or so. The greasy queasy. The afterglow. Coating on tongue. Flavored burps.
So on.
RR has less than some but more than others.

Fair enough.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:16:18am

re: #501 jaunte

Trump is finding some of the worst people in the country to work for him.

That’s because the better people either:

a. won’t work for him; or,
b. said bad things about him once so he won’t hire them

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:17:03am

re: #456 Teukka

It’s hard to keep your lover happy.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:18:43am

re: #488 nines09

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Upscale Applebees without the styling.
Bad.

I drove by a Red Robin on the way to a client’s place on the far east side. Now that you mention it, it had that vibe in it’s building, etc.

At one time there were probably six or more Applebees all over the damn area. About 6 years ago they started to close them up. I think there are 2 or 3 left.

We have a local place that kills some of those national brands. Cap City Diners. Upscale and a bit twisted takes on diner food run by one of this cities best restaurateurs Cameron Mitchell.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:18:53am

re: #501 jaunte

Trump is finding some of the worst people in the country to work for him.

Game recognize game.
/

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:19:44am

Nevermind, instagram has made it impossible to share links the easy way

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TedStriker  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:20:01am

Hopdoddy is pretty good…love their Primetime burger and their green queso fries. Their chili cheese fries are damn tasty, too.

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:21:13am
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Varek Raith  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:25:40am

Good afternoon.

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:25:52am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:25:54am

re: #347 KGxvi

It’s sort of amazing that it took 20 years for this to shift from being the Lewinski scandal to being the Clinton affair.

I wonder how different things would have been if the Democrats rallied around Jerry Brown or Paul Tsongas.

I don’t think Tsongas would have finished his term because of health issues but there would have been no Monica shtick with Jerry.

Jerry would have put Tooty Frooty Newty in his place.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:28:02am
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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:29:05am
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nines09  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:31:24am

re: #508 ObserverArt

Franchises swing wildly from one to the other just from who they have running it and who is back in the kitchens cooking it.
I have a friend who delivers produce to local eateries.
They tell me who does and who doesn’t care and where to NEVER eat.
If you ever got the chance to walk through food prep and storage in some of the places you eat, you wouldn’t.

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:31:55am

re: #501 jaunte

Trump is finding some of the worst people in the country to work for him.

Trump can ONLY find the worst people. He’s radioactive. No one who has any competency wants trump anywhere near their resume.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:32:35am

re: #516 DodgerFan1988

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Is there any reason to care what Stefan Molyneux says? I am not all familiar with him…looking him up now. Does he have a large following?

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:34:06am

fyi:

Kyle Griffin
‏
Nearly every Republican in Harris County, Texas, home to Houston, was unseated in the midterms, including 59 judges and the top executive, Ed Emmett, a moderate who won in 2014 with 83% of the vote.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:34:52am

re: #520 ObserverArt

Is there any reason to care what Stefan Molyneux says? I am not all familiar with him…looking him up now. Does he have a large following?

I had a couple of students who were pretty extreme libertarians tell me to watch his videos in order to understand Austrian economics. Not hard to see the leap to white supremacy.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:35:00am
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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:36:26am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:39:21am

SEEEEE…The legal system isn’t racist…

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:39:31am

re: #513 Varek Raith

Good afternoon.

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So far, what I’ve seen is the people saying it’s “fun” are the people who thought the problem with Fallout 4 was they couldn’t fuck around with their friends.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:40:38am

Asking what is my favorite is like asking me to pick the best child. I like them all. Every last upchucking, pasty, gurgling one of them. Come to me my children and get in my belly!

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:40:40am

re: #522 Barefoot Grin

I had a couple of students who were pretty extreme libertarians tell me to watch his videos in order to understand Austrian economics. Not hard to see the leap to white supremacy.

The Wiki on him is warning enough. I’m going to do some looking into him.

The video above made me question him right off. If that is supposed to be profound, he leaves some huge holes in his examples of why Poland is so great. Pretty weak stuff for a guy some consider a cult leader.

But then, we do have Trump.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:43:09am

Car update, the radiator I spent days putting in is faulty and leaking. Serenity now.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:46:35am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:49:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:51:22am

re: #531 Charles Johnson

I wonder if the White House Correspondents’ Association understands that by dropping comedians from their stupid self-glorifying dinner, they’re confirming everyone’s suspicion that they shamelessly pander to President Manbaby?

I can only conclude that enough of them decided that it was not worth the friction.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:51:56am

re: #531 Charles Johnson

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What I see them doing is exactly what people predicted they’d do when they immediately responded to Donny’s “outrage” after Wolfe’s set by groveling before him. They’re working to make next year’s dinner as toothless as possible in the hope that he will give them a “Good doggy” pat on the head.

Which is only going to make them look dumber when he proceeds to tear into them with his “jokes.”

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:53:03am

re: #357 gocart mozart

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Love the victorious stance at the end of the clip

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:54:19am

re: #529 Amory Blaine

Car update, the radiator I spent days putting in is faulty and leaking. Serenity now.

Nah, bust something up. “Serenity now, insanity later.”

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:55:09am

re: #529 Amory Blaine

Car update, the radiator I spent days putting in is faulty and leaking. Serenity now.

Put some stuffing it it. That’ll stop the leaks. Might have to wait until tomorrow.

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nines09  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:55:48am
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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:56:31am

re: #529 Amory Blaine

Car update, the radiator I spent days putting in is faulty and leaking. Serenity now.

if it’s the core, dump in some oatmeal

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:57:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:57:49am

re: #537 nines09

So let me get this straight. Eleven people get sick from eating romaine lettuce and it gets pulled off all store shelves.

Meanwhile, there are over 300 mass shootings in the United States in 2018 and guns are still readily available.

What the fu*k?!?!

Nothing in the Constitution about the right to dress lettuce…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:59:01am

re: #539 Barefoot Grin

Chief Justice Roberts realizes that Trump is giving up the game by calling judges political: Republicans and the Federalist Society pick judges primarily to enact policy via judicial rulings, and their shield against criticism is the veneer of a wholly apolitical judiciary.

again, trump is pissing off the wrong people by inadvertently revealing their parlor tricks…

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 11:59:40am

re: #537 nines09

So let me get this straight. Eleven people get sick from eating romaine lettuce and it gets pulled off all store shelves.

Meanwhile, there are over 300 mass shootings in the United States in 2018 and guns are still readily available.

What the fu*k?!?!

lettuce isnt mentioned in the constitution
then again, neither are ‘handguns’ or for that matter guns, bump stocks, databases, licenses, safes, etc
maybe they meant something entirely else by ‘Arms’

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:03:20pm

re: #539 Barefoot Grin

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Ayep, that was the whole shtick they sold during the Kavanaugh hearings, that whatever his personal views were he’d totally rule based upon the law rather than what he thought.

Again reminding everybody that the “NeverTrump” crowd does not hate Donny because of what he promotes, but because he’s saying shit aloud that they prefer be kept behind closed doors.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:03:24pm

re: #542 dangerman

lettuce isnt mentioned in the constitution
then again, neither are ‘handguns’ or for that matter guns, bump stocks, databases, licenses, safes, etc
maybe they meant something entirely else by ‘Arms’

“Arms…necessary to the security of a free state” nowadays might very well include ICBMs with MIRVed warheads. But even at the time they surely didn’t include Naval boarding pistols or dueling pistols, so the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with them.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:03:50pm

re: #539 Barefoot Grin

Rebuke to Trump from Chief Justice Roberts on independent judiciary: “We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges. What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them.”

— Jim Acosta

This tweet completely lacks DECORUM!

/

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:06:01pm

The Thanksgiving hate tweets are going to be epic.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:06:49pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:08:04pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:10:08pm

re: #545 Sir John Barron

This tweet completely lacks DECORUM!

/

The Umpire Strikes Back!

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:10:37pm

re: #548 Belafon

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:11:05pm
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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:11:56pm

re: #544 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Arms…necessary to the security of a free state” nowadays might very well include ICBMs with MIRVed warheads. But even at the time they surely didn’t include Naval boarding pistols or dueling pistols, so the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with them.

i dont know…..
that’s a lot of interpreting there….
it says ‘arms’ right there in plain language

arms is arms and i have 2 and get to keep ‘em
how am i gonna ensure the security of a free state without my arms?

unless context counts, and then that whole militia clause becomes problematic.

//

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:13:25pm

re: #547 Belafon

The same Left that despises President Trump despised George W. Bush long before him.

NOT for all the same reasons

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:22:45pm

re: #529 Amory Blaine

Car update, the radiator I spent days putting in is faulty and leaking. Serenity now.

If you have to order another one, like I said before, go with a Modine aftermarket. I’ve never had a problem with one in any car I’ve owned.

555
BigPapa  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:23:52pm

Here’s me hoping Trumpy picks the Michelle Wolf scab.

1. Not a good idea to pick a Twitter spat with a comedian
2. Worse idea: pick a spat with Wolf, who appears to be extra sharp

556
Sir John Barron  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:27:05pm

re: #547 Belafon

The same Left that despises President Trump despised George W. Bush long before him. via @BenShapiro
— National Review

Gosh they just busted us, huh?

//

557
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:33:15pm

All you Kate Bush fans out there….

Clicky

Kate Bush is reissuing her entire studio catalog - including numerous rare tracks, B-sides and cover versions - on a series of remastered vinyl and CD box sets. The campaign launches November 16th with the first two of four vinyl packages and the first of two CD sets, via Rhino. The second wave of material arrives November 30th

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:41:58pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:43:57pm

re: #551 Belafon

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Cleveland area police departments can be real dangerous pricks. Looks like the area needs the Feds to step in and control some of those departments again.

Problem is the current Feds under Trump might make them a model. Grrrrrr.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:45:51pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:47:40pm
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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:47:58pm

Was just checking the Secretary of State’s website to see if there’s been any significant late movement on races here in California. Found this interest, in the 39th Congressional district, Cisneros is going to win by about five thousand votes, and he owes that win to the voters in LA County. The district straddles LA County, Orange County, and San Bernardino County. The Orange County portion of the vote was the largest, and favored Kim, by about 3000 votes. The San Bernardino County portion of the vote also went to Kim by about 160 votes. But the LA County share of the vote went to Cisneros by just short of 9000 votes.

563
Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:48:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:58:01pm

re: #563 Charles Johnson

‘Tis such a mystery… 🤔

565
Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 12:59:08pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:04:36pm

We should make them really paranoid.

567
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:08:15pm
568
Belafon  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:11:33pm

re: #567 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Cool, get in a fight with the judiciary.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:12:39pm

re: #568 Belafon

Cool, get in a fight with the judiciary.

It’s been 20 minutes so far. Still waiting for the next tweet

570
EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:12:56pm

re: #501 jaunte

Trump is finding some of the worst people in the country to work for him.

If Trump were literally an arch-Devil sent from Hell to ruin the country, he would not act any differently than he does.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:13:28pm

re: #567 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Let’s check the GOP’s response to Donny’s remarks:

The Naked Gun Facepalm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:13:41pm

re: #569 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s been 20 minutes so far. Still waiting for the next tweet

There it is

573
Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:14:32pm

re: #569 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s been 20 minutes so far. Still waiting for the next tweet

574
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:14:55pm

re: #569 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s been 20 minutes so far. Still waiting for the next tweet

Remember Grinch the sled dog from the other day? Turned out his short-term memory was about 20 minutes. Just sayin’….

575
Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:17:41pm

re: #568 Belafon

Cool, get in a fight with the judiciary.

At this rate, John Roberts might *have* to become the swing vote against him, if only to salvage his dignity.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:19:09pm

Geez—574 posts! Firefox is going to be disabled for at least 15 minutes when I close this tab. It’s like it has to unwind every page just like rendering it in the first place. Is there some new, exceptionally virulent strain of JavaScript infecting the internet lately? This just started about a month ago.

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Danack  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:20:27pm

re: #567 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I was going to post this earlier, but thought it would be too speculative; I stand corrected.

I’m not entirely sure that Mueller is going to get to lay charges against Trump, Trump family members or the members of the RNC who committed treason to conspire to work with an adversary country to influence an election, before the Constitutional showdown in the Supreme Court begin.

Multiple lawyers have submitted briefs to the Supreme court to rule that Whitaker is not legally the Attorney General as he has not been legally appointed. Those lawyers have also asked for the case to be heard urgently, as otherwise untangling the mess made by having someone sign legal documents as the attorney general, but not having the authority to do so, will be a very difficult task.

It’s pretty clear (to me) that Whitaker was not appointed legally, which should mean the Supreme Court should strike down his appointment, which would massively weaken Trumps defense against Mueller.

Under the horrendous scenario that the Supreme Court allows Whitaker’s appointment to stand, it massively weakens the Senate’s ability to limit the power of the Executive.

Although the Republicans must have dreamed of doing this for years (at least while a Republican is President), its hard to imagine all of the Republicans on the supreme court would be willing to do this while Trump is president.

Of course, kicking this show-down off before Mueller lays charges might be a deliberate ploy to try to make the fight be about something else, other than pure treason.

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:24:40pm

re: #575 Interesting Times

At this rate, John Roberts might *have* to become the swing vote against him, if only to salvage his dignity.

John Roberts is just as much of a scumbag as his GOP colleagues on the court. His only disagreement with them is the rate at which the Federalist Society judicial utopia should be reached. If judges are seen as being too blatantly operatives of the GOP, it might hinder the grand plan, according to Roberts’ way of thinking.

The sickest part of this particular bad US political joke is that I think Roberts is wrong. Everyone with a brain already knows that the partisan makeup of SCOTUS is the single most important factor in any politically charged case SCOTUS hears.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:25:10pm

re: #577 Danack

I was going to post this earlier, but thought it would be too speculative; I stand corrected.

I’m not entirely sure that Mueller is going to get to lay charges against Trump, Trump family members or the members of the RNC who committed treason to conspire to work with an adversary country to influence an election, before the Constitutional showdown in the Supreme Court begin.

Multiple lawyers have submitted briefs to the Supreme court to rule that Whitaker is not legally the Attorney General as he has not been legally appointed. Those lawyers have also asked for the case to be heard urgently, as otherwise untangling the mess made by having someone sign legal documents as the attorney general, but not having the authority to do so, will be a very difficult task.

It’s pretty clear (to me) that Whitaker was not appointed legally, which should mean the Supreme Court should strike down his appointment, which would massively weaken Trumps defense against Mueller.

Under the horrendous scenario that the Supreme Court allows Whitaker’s appointment to stand, it massively weakens the Senate’s ability to limit the power of the Executive.

Although the Republicans must have dreamed of doing this for years (at least while a Republican is President), its hard to imagine all of the Republicans on the supreme court would be willing to do this while Trump is president.

Of course, kicking this show-down off before Mueller lays charges might be a deliberate ploy to try to make the fight be about something else, other than pure treason.

The AG has to be a “Principal Officer” of the Federal Government—if he’s not, who is? His appointment without Senate approval is therefore transparently invalid. How could any judge rule otherwise?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:26:25pm

“… The apology came weeks after a Nov. 7 incident in which police in Kirkland, a Seattle suburb, were called to a yogurt shop about Byron Ragland, a 31-year-old black man and court-appointed special advocate who was supervising a court-sanctioned outing between a mother and her child at the time, according to The Associated Press.

The owner of the Menchie’s yogurt shop, Ramon Cruz, reportedly called the police about Ragland after his staff reportedly said they were “kind of scared because he looks suspicious,” …”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:28:17pm

re: #374 wrenchwench

She won the popular vote. A lead of 3 million there means something.

Most important not to forget is the vote suppression in at least three states (certain Detroit, Michigan, precincts being particularly egregious).

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Danack  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:31:32pm

re: #579 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

How could any judge rule otherwise?

We could see the principle of “rules don’t matter if you’re a Republican” be officially set as precedent at the Supreme Court level, so that it can be cited in lower courts across the country.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 21, 2018 • 1:46:56pm

re: #580 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

…in which police in Kirkland, a Seattle suburb,….

Hey, don’t hold us responsible for what happens on the east side of the lake!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2018 • 2:21:35pm

re: #454 gocart mozart

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I’m rich! RICH I TELLS YA!


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