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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 1:38:11pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 24, 2018 • 1:42:38pm

Its remarkable how much the price of oil has collapsed. In just 20 days the price has dropped a third. I read US producers have developed a cheap technique to goose production in old fields that has US oil production surging, while Trump, of course, is crediting Saudi Arabia to justify ignoring Kashoggi’s murder.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 1:57:05pm

good fucking grief…he is such a moron.

He brought BIG SANDWICHES!!11!!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 1:58:26pm

re: #2 Big Beautiful Door

Its remarkable how much the price of oil has collapsed. In just 20 days the price has dropped a third. I read US producers have developed a cheap technique to goose production in old fields that has US oil production surging, while Trump, of course, is crediting Saudi Arabia to justify ignoring Kashoggi’s murder.

A lot of the price drop is due to anticipation of Trump administration applying sanctions to countries that buy oil from Iran that drove many oil producing nations to boost production. Then those countries called Trump’s bluff and he gave them waivers.

The Trump administration will grant eight jurisdictions waivers that will allow them to continue purchasing Iranian oil.

U.S. sanctions on Iran’s energy sector, shipping, ship-building and financial industries snap back into place on Monday.

Cabinet officials declined to say which countries will receive waivers, but China, Japan, India and South Korea are expected to be among them.

The Saudis are, of course, really pissed. But the backlash from the Khashoggi murder has them needing to proceed quietly. So they’re lowering production but don’t want to shit too publicly on Trump while he’s whitewashing MBS’s horrific crime.

When U.S. President Donald Trump asked Saudi Arabia this summer to raise oil production to compensate for lower crude exports from Iran, Riyadh swiftly told Washington it would do so.

But Saudi Arabia did not receive advance warning when Trump made a U-turn by offering generous waivers that are keeping more Iranian crude in the market instead of driving exports from Riyadh’s arch-rival down to zero, OPEC and industry sources say.Angered by the U.S. move that has raised worries about over supply, Saudi Arabia is now considering cutting output with OPEC and its allies by about 1.4 million barrels per day (bpd) or 1.5 percent of global supply, sources told Reuters this week.

“The Saudis are very angry at Trump. They don’t trust him any more and feel very strongly about a cut. They had no heads-up about the waivers,” said one senior source briefed on Saudi energy policies.

So, and it pains me to say this, whether by design or (more likely) accident Trump has engineered a short term minor reduction in oil prices. The real question is what Putin does in retaliation, because the Saudis aren’t the only ones whose wallet this fucks with. It also, despite his reckless bravado in implementing trade tariffs, betrays Trump’s actual weak position in regards to Asia. Particularly as the market took a runny shit over the last two months, erasing more than the entire year’s worth of gains.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:05:17pm

thread

the rest of the thread is just sad
Greenwald is beyond pathetic

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:12:06pm
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DodgerFan1988  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:20:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:20:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:36:11pm

re: #7 DodgerFan1988

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So cruel and it starts with Trump himself.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:48:11pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

Was she a holdout?

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:49:02pm

I hope this infuriates the conservative Democrats, but all of this is training AOC to become a future leader in the party.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:50:10pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: Incoming Dem Sharice Davids announces support for Pelosi in Speaker race

is there a “race”? it is clearly Pelosi, but out press does not want to let go of “Democrats in Disarray following disappointing election results.”

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Dave In Austin  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:53:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:57:06pm

re: #13 Dave In Austin

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JFC. But then again Robertson was gleeful about Sharon’s stroke. The Evangelical community is so fucked up.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 24, 2018 • 2:58:46pm

re: #13 Dave In Austin

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Those people are fucking swine.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:01:55pm

re: #12 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

is there a “race”? it is clearly Pelosi, but out press does not want to let go of “Democrats in Disarray following disappointing election results.”

Much like the ‘16 primaries, the media has tried to maintain the “horse race” narrative long after it became obvious that Nancy is the only game in town. The only real race now is against McCarthy for the gavel and if any Blue Dogs are stupid enough to give it to him, they’re gonna be out on their asses in two years.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:10:32pm

And with the simple addition of an island fruit, can be made even better!///

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:14:04pm

re: #17 Barefoot Grin

I forgot where I read it but that is an old story. With tomatoes, cheese, spices and bread one cannot go wrong.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:15:27pm

re: #17 Barefoot Grin

And with the simple addition of an island fruit, can be made even better!///

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Ah, cold pizza, the breakfast of champions.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:16:03pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

It is easier to handle when it is cold.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:17:10pm

re: #18 PhillyPretzel

I forgot where I read it but that is an old story. With tomatoes, cheese, spices and bread one cannot go wrong.

And ketchup. The Reagan vegetable.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:19:22pm

re: #21 Barefoot Grin

My pizzas do not have ketchup on them. They have tomatoes, cheese, spices on freshly made dough.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:29:03pm

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

My pizzas do not have ketchup on them. They have tomatoes, cheese, spices on freshly made dough.

I have had a couple of beers and am not even sure why I conflated pizza with ketchup. I think I was trying to say something about declarations of health food, but I am absolutely convinced that pizza is perfect in most manifestations and I don’t want it sullied by pineapple.

I am not Joe Six-pack. I am Joseph Quartercase.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:29:37pm

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

Ahh. Yes. Another entry for Philly Pretzel’s thread killers.

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Jay C  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:31:22pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Much like the ‘16 primaries, the media has tried to maintain the “horse race” narrative long after it became obvious that Nancy is the only game in town. The only real race now is against McCarthy for the gavel and if any Blue Dogs are stupid enough to give it to him, they’re gonna be out on their asses in two years.

Not unrelated, I’m sure, to the fact that the Republican “frame” on most things political has been the default setting for most “MSM” political punditry for many decades now: and a decisive Democratic election victory is still seen (AFAICT) as somehow being “abnormal” - and hard to deal with except by rote repetition of a few trite memes:

“Dems in Disarray”
“Dems Veer Hard Left”
“Nancy Pelosi: political demon, or merely hated?”
“Why can’t Democrats be bipartisan?”
“Why ‘Real Americans’ still love Trump”

etc. etc. I’m sure we can come up with a few more: or just tune into the Sunday-morning MSM gasfests, and hear them straight from “real politicians” (i.e. GOPers)

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sagehen  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:35:45pm

re: #18 PhillyPretzel

I forgot where I read it but that is an old story. With tomatoes, cheese, spices and bread one cannot go wrong.

Are old Cosby routines off-limits because he’s Cosby? ‘Cause “cake is breakfast” still works for me…

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:36:32pm

re: #25 Jay C

Not unrelated, I’m sure, to the fact that the Republican “frame” on most things political has been the default setting for most “MSM” political punditry for many decades now: and a decisive Democratic election victory is still seen (AFAICT) as somehow being “abnormal” - and hard to deal with except by rote repetition of a few trite memes:

“Dems in Disarray”
“Dems Veer Hard Left”
“Nancy Pelosi: political demon, or merely hated?”
“Why can’t Democrats be bipartisan?”
“Why ‘Real Americans’ still love Trump”

etc. etc. I’m sure we can come up with a few more: or just tune into the Sunday-morning MSM gasfests, and hear them straight from “real politicians” (i.e. GOPers)

Not to worry, they’re already gearing up to blame the coming government shutdown on Dems even thought Donny has threatened again and again to let the whole thing come falling down if he doesn’t get his wall.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:41:55pm

I don’t know if you all remember this really weird looking cat with huge photoshopped eyes, with a guy yelling saying “weird fucking stray cat outside!”?

Well, a friend decided to check on that poor kitty. It is a real cat named Wilfred Warrior. He is a slightly weird Chinchilla Persian, and those are his real eyes. And his real strange teeth.

mashable.com

My weird Persian with huge eyes and strange teeth feels for him!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:43:52pm

Glennwald is such a pathetic fucking hack ass piece of shit.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:48:43pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

Glennwald is such a pathetic fucking hack ass piece of shit.

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It’s a mystery…

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:49:13pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:50:24pm

re: #31 jaunte

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sagehen  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:50:35pm

These are the same people who called us “O-bots”, and accused us of treating Obama like a messiah…

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:52:39pm

re: #31 jaunte

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And she has a selfie stick so she knows how she looks to other people. And yet she persists.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:56:13pm

“…”We are proudly giving our troops the biggest pay increase in a decade,” Trump said. “I know you don’t want it because you’re very patriotic. You’ll say, just save the money. We’re going to pay down debt.”

Then Trump awkwardly launched into what perhaps was supposed to be a joke. Except the crowd didn’t seem to find it funny at all.

“Does anybody not want it? Please raise your hand,” Trump he said. After scanning the crowd, he added, “What’s going on here? Are these real patriots? I don’t know, General. I don’t know.”

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:57:49pm

re: #31 jaunte

::: running to get the brain bleach :::

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:57:53pm
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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:58:13pm

If costumed idiots like the woman in the picture actually listened to what Trump said, maybe…


naah.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2018 • 3:59:52pm

re: #35 jaunte

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Donny continues to just keep digging.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:07:19pm

Some excitement in the UK regarding Facebook/Cambridge Analytica:

“…Damian Collins, the chair of the culture, media and sport select committee, invoked a rare parliamentary mechanism to compel the founder of a US software company, Six4Three, to hand over the documents during a business trip to London. In another exceptional move, parliament sent a serjeant at arms to his hotel with a final warning and a two-hour deadline to comply with its order. When the software firm founder failed to do so, it’s understood he was escorted to parliament. He was told he risked fines and even imprisonment if he didn’t hand over the documents.”
………
“…MPs leading the inquiry into fake news have repeatedly tried to summon Zuckerberg to explain the company’s actions. He has repeatedly refused. Collins said this reluctance to testify, plus misleading testimony from an executive at a hearing in February, had forced MPs to explore other options for gathering information about Facebook operations.”

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:11:12pm

re: #40 jaunte

Some excitement in the UK regarding Facebook/Cambridge Analytica:

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That is just all kinds of weird.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:12:08pm

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:15:52pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:16:04pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

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austin_blue  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:19:45pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

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re: #44 PhillyPretzel

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I don’t do a lotta praying. I do a lot of hoping. I hope for the best for you and yours.

Also, your house sounds like it’s an absolute zoo right now! Hang in there, VB.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:20:55pm

re: #28 retired cynic

I don’t know if you all remember this really weird looking cat with huge photoshopped eyes, with a guy yelling saying “weird fucking stray cat outside!”?

Well, a friend decided to check on that poor kitty. It is a real cat named Wilfred Warrior. He is a slightly weird Chinchilla Persian, and those are his real eyes. And his real strange teeth.

mashable.com

My weird Persian with huge eyes and strange teeth feels for him!

and everyone here who noted that it sounded like Michael Rapaport in the video, all of you were absolutely correct.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:22:07pm

re: #35 jaunte

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WTF is wrong with him? Can he not ever act like a normal human being?

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CleverToad  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:25:53pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

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freetoken  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:30:47pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

WTF is wrong with him? Can he not ever act like a normal human being?

No.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:42:19pm

Yeah…. That time Danny DeVito gave Michael Douglas a prostate exam.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:47:23pm

re: #49 freetoken

No.

I mean damn even Bush who I detested could act like a normal human being when dealing with some matters. OA was asking the other day and the answer is this, no there are no redeemable qualities about Donald Trump as a person. Not a damn one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:51:12pm

moron

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:51:59pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:53:02pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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You’re a fucking asshole whose grandfather got kicked out of Germany. Too bad he didn’t stay there because America has not benefited at all from your miserable family being here in the slightest. But you scapegoat Hispanic immigrants because your moronic supporters are afraid of anything not white.

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Interesting Times  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:55:39pm

Hoisted, own petard and all that:

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2018 • 4:56:37pm

It snowed hard at the ski area today.

The snow cam is near the summit. There’s a few more inches lower down the mountain, at least seven near the base. Supposed to snow all night into tomorrow.

*giggety*

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:03:38pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Heavy rain in Philly right now. Everything is getting soaked. :(
forecast.weather.gov

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:06:30pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

WTF is wrong with him? Can he not ever act like a normal human being?

Because he is not a normal human being. He doesn’t know how.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:15:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:17:08pm

re: #58 retired cynic

Because he is not a normal human being. He doesn’t know how.

I know. It’s just stunning WTF does he think he is.

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Citizen K  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:20:23pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

I know. It’s just stunning WTF does he think he is.

He thinks he is the greatest gift to man on the face of the planet, and I’m not sure I’m being hyperbolic on that either.

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:25:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:28:09pm

re: #13 Dave In Austin

WTH? No seriously, wth is wrong with these people?

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:28:38pm

Just back from Green Book. Delightful. Two actors with a chemistry like H2O.
That is all. :-)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:30:29pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

I snowed hard at the ski area today.

The snow cam is near the summit. There’s a few more inches lower down the mountain, at least seven near the base. Supposed to snow all night into tomorrow.

*giggety*

Hey, do know of a skier guy named Noah Morrison? The free VPN I use here occasionally loads his Instagram page, because he’s some kind of supporter of the Psiphon project.

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:31:47pm

re: #65 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I do not. I know of a Seth Morrison, he has houses in Crested Butte and Chamonix.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:37:21pm

and CNN is the worst kind of lying clickbait with that stupid tweet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:40:56pm

There was a television blaring away in Harry’s previous ICU room because a roommate there wanted the tv on and it was agitating Harry

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:48:12pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There was a television blaring away in Harry’s previous ICU room because a roommate there wanted the tv on and it was agitating Harry

A shared ICU room is a terrible idea.

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:50:00pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and CNN is the worst kind of lying clickbait with that stupid tweet

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 24, 2018 • 5:58:10pm

I did not know this.

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:04:00pm

Ricky Jay passed away today. He was 70.

This is pretty unbelievable.

Ricky Jay - Amazing Card Trick/Manipulation

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Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:06:31pm

re: #43 jaunte

I’ve said before: Facebook is an intelligence service and should be treated as such.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:22:57pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:30:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:35:08pm

re: #17 Barefoot Grin

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:39:50pm

oh. dear. dog.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:43:31pm

Hearing the sax player on this video reminded me of this tune.

Candy Dulfer - Saxuality

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:46:21pm

Breaking!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:46:58pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:47:03pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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You’re breaking my heart.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:48:02pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Hey now, cold pizza is the breakfast of champions.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:49:13pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

Hey now, cold pizza is the breakfast of champions.

Martinis are the real breakfast of champions, but why argue?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:51:39pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh. dear. dog.

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Okay the thing that kills me about this, besides literally everything, is how Trump’s overweening ego made them forgo the obvious “he’ll stand by us” pander in favor of verbally jacking him off with adulation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:53:31pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

Okay the thing that kills me about this, besides literally everything, is how Trump’s overweening ego made them forgo the obvious “he’ll stand by us” pander in favor of verbally jacking him off with adulation.

I am amused that Ben Carson is clapping to the beat of something completely different.

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Targetpractice  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:56:00pm

re: #75 Single-handed sailor

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So, basically Trump has said “Fuck the courts!” and the GOP are off to the side, imitating the sound of crickets yet again.

Quelle surprise.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 24, 2018 • 6:58:31pm

Lewandowski and Bossie have published a new book that gives Trump a tongue bath and attacks everyone who is not slavishly loyal to Hair Furor.

Lewandowski and Bossie use their book to settle scores with a number of fellow Trump advisers. They refer to Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who are cooperating with Mueller’s investigation, each as a “rat.”

The authors describe a cohort of White House aides — including former press secretary Sean Spicer and former deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin — as “the November Ninth Club,” arguing that they are establishment Republicans who did not fully support Trump until the day after he was elected, when they began angling for powerful government jobs.

Lewandowski and Bossie also savage former National Economic Council director Gary Cohn as a “limousine liberal” and “the poster boy for the disloyal staff conspiring against President Trump.” And they accuse former staff secretary Rob Porter of working to thwart Trump’s agenda and style to make him more traditionally “presidential.”

The narrative reads in part like Trump’s Twitter grievances in book form. Lewandowski and Bossie write at length about the same FBI and Justice Department officials whose names pepper so many presidential tweets — Comey, Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page, Peter Strzok and Sally Yates. And they go after the same intelligence officials that Trump often targets — James R. Clapper Jr. and John Brennan — and accuse them of wanting to “nullify the election and bring down the president” by detailing Russia’s interference.

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It’s the kind of book Goehring would have written about Hitler to kiss his ass and whip up support among the loyal.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:03:11pm

I’m pretty sure this guy is parodying J-cob, who hangs out in hipster coffee shops to overhear adulation of Trump.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:09:26pm

re: #88 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Heleven hipsters hwhispering.

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ObserverArt  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:09:40pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh. dear. dog.

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Ladies and gentlemen…give it up for Mr. Donald J. Trump.

Well, at least they didn’t call him president.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:14:47pm

re: #31 jaunte

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OK so Blowsanne went on another Ambien binge…

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:23:23pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:26:07pm

re: #92 Single-handed sailor

I just got a new Fire HD 8 with Alexa. I better be careful what I say and do at home.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:34:41pm

The irony is that Cindy Hyde-Smith would oppose Jackie Robinson and desegregation in Major League Baseball.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:37:09pm

re: #92 Single-handed sailor

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Not in my damn house. Those things creep me out.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:37:59pm

Via Balloon Juice:

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:38:40pm

re: #93 PhillyPretzel

. I better be careful what I say and do at home.

Wut? Not a test I could pass.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:42:52pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:46:12pm

Well, seventy mile per hour winds early this morning took out our Internet service, though by noon it was back in action and the wind died down with drizzle. Decided that would be a good time to go into town and buy groceries.

Good choice; coming back it was sleeting and snowing and the wind had picked up again … took me more than half-an-hour to come home sixteen miles.

It’s snowing pretty hard now.

forecast.weather.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:48:08pm

re: #92 Single-handed sailor

No Internet of Things here. Good.

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TedStriker  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:48:15pm

re: #99 Anymouse 🌹

Well, seventy mile per hour winds early this morning took out our Internet service, though by noon it was back in action and the wind died down with drizzle. Decided that would be a good time to go into town and buy groceries.

Good choice; coming back it was sleeting and snowing and the wind had picked up again … took me more than half-an-hour to come home sixteen miles.

It’s snowing pretty hard now.

forecast.weather.gov

Gotta have milk, eggs, bread, and toilet paper…

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:51:09pm

re: #93 PhillyPretzel

I just got a new Fire HD 8 with Alexa. I better be careful what I say and do at home.

As the article states, these devices don’t record unless keywords (or words close to them) are said.

Your browsing history is going to be a far bigger issue.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:52:40pm

re: #96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Via Balloon Juice:

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I doubt all those are there in support of Hyde-Smith.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:53:00pm

re: #73 The Ghost of a Flea

I’ve said before: Facebook is an intelligence service and should be treated as such.

So, incorporate it into the CIA?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:53:08pm

re: #102 Belafon

Hmm. Weather, Amazon and WaPo. I am sure someone case make a case out of that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:54:16pm

re: #17 Barefoot Grin

And with the simple addition of an island fruit, can be made even better!///

Mangoes?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:54:55pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹

I think it was pineapples.

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:56:08pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹

Durian.

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Belafon  Nov 24, 2018 • 7:57:41pm

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

From the article:

“This is just the prosecutors and police hoping that maybe there was a, ‘Hey Alexa, how do we get rid of a dead body?’ kind of question,” Ferguson said.

Now how about these for questions:
“Why was your Google Assistant unplugged?”
“Why don’t you own a home assistant?”

And then watch for when a person has a solid alibi for being at home because google has a recording of them asking Spotify to play Milli Vanilli.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:10:07pm

ACLU of Missouri Settles Lawsuit with City of Wentzville (Goes to the ACLU of Missouri)

You may recall several months ago that city installed at taxpayer expense a large “In God We Trust” sign. A woman who was registered to speak was forcibly removed from the city council meeting after the mayor interrupted her and attacked for her opinion.

In April, the ACLU filed a lawsuit against the city of Wentzville for violating a person’s freedom of speech by removing her from a city meeting after she raised concerns about a recently installed “In God We Trust” sign on the front of the city board of aldermen’s dais.

“I am pleased that no one else will be forcefully removed from a public meeting when they speak up about the government’s apparent endorsement of religion,” said Sally Hunt, lawsuit plaintiff. “No one should face retaliation because they shared their opinion in a public forum.”

In February, Hunt was approved to speak during the open forum portion of a Wentzville Board of Aldermen meeting. In her request for permission to speak, she noted she would discuss a recent decision by the mayor and board to install an approximately 16-foot sign that says “In God We Trust” on the dais in Wentzville City Hall without a public vote.

Police officers removed Hunt from the meeting upon order of the mayor, who interrupted her and argued with her during her public comment.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:30:22pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

Ricky Jay passed away today. He was 70.

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This is pretty unbelievable.

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I’m not familiar with him but I’ve always been a sucker for sleight of hand. That video is amazing as was the description in the article. Fabulous tricks!

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Amory Blaine  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:31:32pm
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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:32:58pm

re: #111 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m not familiar with him but I’ve always been a sucker for sleight of hand. That video is amazing as was the description in the article. Fabulous tricks!

You are right. Totally fascinating! I have no experience in my life that can begin to explain those things.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:34:22pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

Ricky Jay passed away today. He was 70.

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This is pretty unbelievable.

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I saw his one man show “Ricky Jay And His 52 Assistants”. Small theater, invited us to come forward as he did his card tricks. Everyone was in awe of how he manipulated those cards!

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:34:48pm

re: #114 Joe Bacon 🌹

I saw his one man show “Ricky Jay And His 52 Assistants”. Small theater, invited us to come forward as he did his card tricks. Everyone was in awe of how he manipulated those cards!

What an experience to have had!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:38:50pm

GoFundMe scam leads to charges against Johnny Bobbitt, Kate McClure, Mark D’Amico (Philadelphia Inquirer)

D’Amico took a photograph of McClure standing with an homeless Marine veteran (Bobbitt). McClure’s story was she ran out of gas in a rough neighbourhood in Philly, and Bobbitt spent his last $20 to buy her gasoline.

Within hours a GoFundMe was set up to raise money for the alleged homeless vet. Over $400,000 was raised, then stolen by McClure and D’Amico. Bobbitt sued, which brought in the New Jersey AG (which kind of brought attention to the fraud). Bobbit said she wouldn’t give Bobbit any of the money because he was a drug addict.

GoFundMe says it will refund the whole amount donated to the original donors (as long as they weren’t anonymous). The entire $400,000+ is gone. They’d comingled the funds (never setting up a trust as they said they would) with their own accounts, then spent them all on everything from a BMW to a trip to Las Vegas to designer handbags.

The entire premise was a lie (the gas story). The three had set the whole thing up in advance of first taking the photos. Police seized the computers and iPhones of all involved and uncovered the scam.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:40:32pm

Fixed names in #116

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:45:28pm

re: #109 Belafon

From the article:

Now how about these for questions:
“Why was your Google Assistant unplugged?”
“Why don’t you own a home assistant?”

And then watch for when a person has a solid alibi for being at home because google has a recording of them asking Spotify to play Milli Vanilli.

Asimov’s robot future hath arrived.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:46:10pm

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹

I think they are still wrong. You have Bobbitt not giving Bobbitt money, and McClure suing McClure.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:52:26pm

Delusional President

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:53:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:54:43pm

re: #119 retired cynic

I think they are still wrong. You have Bobbitt not giving Bobbitt money, and McClure suing McClure.

I fixed it (I think)

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jaunte  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:55:29pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:57:13pm

re: #114 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ricky Jay did a great guest spot on a magic themed episode of The X-Files. It was called “The Amazing Maleeni” if anyone is interested.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:57:41pm

re: #120 Single-handed sailor

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Delusional President

Trump is not delusional; that description is more apt for his millions of followers. He knows and understands exactly what he is doing.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2018 • 8:58:14pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

I fixed it (I think)

Nope. Bobbit still won’t give Bobbitt money. [grin]

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 9:03:04pm

re: #120 Single-handed sailor

Delusional President

Wholly crap there is a bunch of conservaderp in that thread attacking Mr. Stelter and the media in general.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 9:14:29pm

re: #126 retired cynic

Nope. Bobbit still won’t give Bobbitt money. [grin]

My low rum pressure light is on. Perhaps that’s the problem.

Within hours a GoFundMe was set up to raise money for the alleged homeless vet. Over $400,000 was raised, then stolen by McClure and D’Amico. Bobbitt sued, which brought in the New Jersey AG (which kind of brought attention to the fraud). Bobbit McClure said she wouldn’t give Bobbit any of the money because he was a drug addict.

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retired cynic  Nov 24, 2018 • 9:16:40pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

My low rum pressure light is on. Perhaps that’s the problem.

Within hours a GoFundMe was set up to raise money for the alleged homeless vet. Over $400,000 was raised, then stolen by McClure and D’Amico. Bobbitt sued, which brought in the New Jersey AG (which kind of brought attention to the fraud). Bobbit McClure said she wouldn’t give Bobbit any of the money because he was a drug addict.

By George, I think he’s got it!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 9:19:11pm

re: #129 retired cynic

By George, I think he’s got it!

It only took me half-a-dozen fixes or so. /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 9:32:00pm

Hyde-Smith campaign knocks ‘gotcha’ report that she attended a ‘segregation academy’ (The Hill)

Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith’s (R-Miss.) campaign on Saturday ripped an article from the Jackson Free Press reporting that she attended and graduated from a Mississippi segregation academy in the 1970s, calling it part of the “gotcha liberal media.”

Hyde-Smith spokeswoman Melissa Scallan called the report “a new low” in a statement to The Hill while claiming the report was intended to help Hyde-Smith’s Democratic opponent Mike Espy, who she is facing in Tuesday’s runoff election.
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“In their latest attempt to help Mike Espy, the gotcha liberal media has taken leave of their senses. They have stooped to a new low, attacking her entire family and trying to destroy her personally instead of focusing on the clear differences on the issues between Cindy Hyde-Smith and her far-left opponent,” Scallan said in the statement.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 9:56:52pm

On Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith’s “public hanging” remark, she noted that it was an expression of high regard (in the sense that someone was regarded so well she would go to something so distasteful).

The New York Times got a linguist to weigh in on that take:

Paul Reed, a University of Alabama professor who specializes in the sociolinguistic history of Southern and Appalachian English varieties, said that the phrase first appeared in written works in the United States in the mid-1800s and that its usage peaked during the civil rights era in the 20th century.

He said that the phrase had indeed once been used as an expression of regard. People would use the idiom to convey that they thought so highly of someone they would attend something as distasteful as a public hanging with him.

But given its clear negative connotation, Mr. Reed said, most people would not dare to use the phrase in 2018.

“It has fallen so far out of favor,” Mr. Reed said in an interview. “I cannot believe that someone would use that today.”

nytimes.com

Of course, for the senator to call a Mississippi newspaper “the liberal media” I’m going to go with “she’s a racist and proud of it.”

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teleskiguy  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:01:59pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:04:21pm

Yo Scout,

I realize this is a crazy long shot but I have a netsuke of this design and wonder if you know if there is any history to the iconography behind it. Mine has the same signature as well. I bought mine a few years ago because I thought it was kind of cool but clearly it’s some carver’s pet design and would just like to know more about it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:07:44pm

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

Hyde-Smith campaign knocks ‘gotcha’ report that she attended a ‘segregation academy’ (The Hill)

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How is it gotcha if it’s true? And her recent behavior suggests that she has not disavowed the racism that underlay the creation of the school.

Of course, the NY Times has an always helpful article on how Democrats are harming themselves by alienating those crucial white rural and exurban voters. Once again the Times promotes the notion that Trump supporters who follow the “ideology of saying what you want” are distinct from the racists who have inhabited the South from this nation’s origin and earlier.

nytimes.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:25:03pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

How is it gotcha if it’s true? And her recent behavior suggests that she has not disavowed the racism that underlay the creation of the school.

Of course, the NY Times has an always helpful article on how Democrats are harming themselves by alienating those crucial white rural and exurban voters. Once again the Times promotes the notion that Trump supporters who follow the “ideology of saying what you want” are distinct from the racists who have inhabited the South from this nation’s origin and earlier.

nytimes.com

Moreover, she sent her daughter to such a school, so she knows what they are. That school has one black student in a town which is about 40% black. (Such schools are now associating themselves with churches and calling themselves Christian Academies so they can hide racism behind Freedom of Religion, since so many churches have promoted racism over the centuries anyway.)

Noteworthy in the Jackson Free-Press article is that though Brown v Board of Education was handed down in 1954, Mississippi schools were still segregated in 1975. The Supreme Court held Mississippi in contempt, the state governor responded by immediately integrating schools, and the White Citizens Councils (now the Council of Conservative Citizens) helped parents set up private schools and the state gave whites tax vouchers to send their students to them.

Since there are no standards regarding hiring practices in private schools, the paper noted that many such schools only had high-school educated (or less) teachers, Even with the white flight, the public schools were better.

(That is part of the attacks by conservatives for decades claiming public schools are bad, when in fact it was the segregated private white schools that were.)

When I was stationed in Virginia Beach in the Eighties, Norfolk was still fighting school integration as mandated by Brown.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:40:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:43:14pm

re: #137 Single-handed sailor

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China ain’t fuckin’ around, they’re hittin’ Trump right in the Ohio.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:51:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:56:04pm

Kid Rock cleared of federal election violations after Senate gimmick (Goes to the Detroit Free-Press, it’s nice to be rich or a corporation):

Kid Rock’s make-believe Senate aspirations won’t land him in hot water after all.

The Federal Elections Commission (FEC) has declined to charge the Michigan rap-rocker with federal campaign violations following last year’s “Kid Rock for US Senate” promotion.

In a 3-1 decision this week, the commission dismissed a complaint from the watchdog group Common Cause contending that Rock ran afoul of candidate registration and financial reporting rules.

The FEC agreed with Rock that the promotion was “an artistic and commercial undertaking” tied to his upcoming album and tour — and that the musician born Robert Ritchie was never an actual candidate.

The commission also cleared Warner Bros. of violating campaign-finance law by helping sell “Kid Rock for US Senate” merchandise.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 10:57:54pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

How is it gotcha if it’s true? And her recent behavior suggests that she has not disavowed the racism that underlay the creation of the school.

Because she is a conservative. Nixon wasn’t a crook, either.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 11:01:22pm

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

China ain’t fuckin’ around, they’re hittin’ Trump right in the Ohio.

And Indiana, and Iowa, and Nebraska …

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 11:08:12pm

Sade out with a new video (3:46)

Sade - The Big Unknown (Lyric Video)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 24, 2018 • 11:15:52pm

Mississippi Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith pushed resolution praising Confederate soldier’s effort to ‘defend his homeland’

This is from her state Senate term in 1992. Her campaign manager responded by attacking “the liberal media” for digging up the story.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 11:36:21pm

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Mississippi Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith pushed resolution praising Confederate soldier’s effort to ‘defend his homeland’

This is from her state Senate term in 1992. Her campaign manager responded by attacking “the liberal media” for digging up the story.

That’s been her excuse for the litany of things coming out: The liberal globalist media is out to smear her or attack her family.

(That would be the famous Mississippi liberal globalist media.)

Throughout all this there has been a number of ways her campaign could have explained her way out of it, but she insists on bulldozing through with Donald Trump’s method of attacking the media.

a) She could proudly own up to the racist remarks as a racist. (Racists don’t do that, and she would lose so-called moderate conservatives - the ones who don’t like being directly connected to racism while they vote for racists.)
b) She could have said something on the order of “upon reflection I realise these remarks are hateful and wrong and represent a time in Mississippi’s past that no one wants to see continue.” (She would lose her racist base voters.)
c) She could have said nothing. (The press would keep asking questions and digging.)
d) Like every other conservative from Goldwater forward, she could attack the press as biased toward liberals (with the added antisemitic “globalist” thrown in). That was really the only choice she has as a conservative.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 24, 2018 • 11:43:03pm

I see she shares my views about fallen military members.

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gwangung  Nov 24, 2018 • 11:55:40pm

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Mississippi Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith pushed resolution praising Confederate soldier’s effort to ‘defend his homeland’

This is from her state Senate term in 1992. Her campaign manager responded by attacking “the liberal media” for digging up the story.

Someone should ask Ms. Hyde-Smith if she’d like some Southern cheese with her prodigious whine.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:02:30am

re: #143 Anymouse 🌹

Great song. And I’m gonna have to see the movie that’s from - Widows, starring Viola Davis, Liam Neeson, Colin Farrell and others; directed by Steve McQueen. Looks good.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:15:11am

Okay, confession time: I bought an SGE 400/3 gas mask. Yes, I realize it’s absolutely ridiculous overkill but I’ve bean dealing with wildfire smoke fuckery for about four years running and I’m at my absolute wits end with this bullshit. I wanted a gas mask I could sleep in if I have to, fucking sue me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:20:15am

Secret ‘Plan B’ for Brexit: Cabinet and EU plot 11th-hour alternatives to Theresa May’s deal (London’s Sunday Telegraph, subscription required, more at the link):

Cabinet ministers and EU diplomats are secretly drawing up “Plan B” proposals for Brexit based on a growing assumption that Theresa May’s deal will be blocked by Parliament.

Senior figures on both side of the Channel are urgently plotting alternatives to the agreement struck by the Prime Minister after 91 Conservative MPs indicated that they would oppose it in the Commons.

The disclosure comes as EU leaders meet in Brussels to approve the Withdrawal Agreement and “political declaration” outlining the proposed future relationship between the UK and the bloc after Brexit.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:21:00am

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

Okay, confession time: I bought an SGE 400/3 gas mask. Yes, I realize it’s absolutely ridiculous overkill but I’ve bean dealing with wildfire smoke fuckery for about four years running and I’m at my absolute wits end with this bullshit. I wanted a gas mask I could sleep in if I have to, fucking sue me.

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Well, you’ll be ready for the next free speech event.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:29:56am
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:36:54am

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

Okay, confession time: I bought an SGE 400/3 gas mask. Yes, I realize it’s absolutely ridiculous overkill but I’ve bean dealing with wildfire smoke fuckery for about four years running and I’m at my absolute wits end with this bullshit. I wanted a gas mask I could sleep in if I have to, fucking sue me.

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P.S. Global Warming is real motherfuckers. Yes, I realize the vast majority of you reading this contemporaneously realize this, I’m speaking for posterity because we’re surrounded by fuckwits.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:41:32am

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹

More from that article (I found the full text on Reddit):

But sources said several senior ministers were talking up one “Plan B” idea of a Norway-style relationship with Brussels, under which the UK would have a more certain “exit mechanism” from the EU’s rules but would be unable to end the free movement of workers from the Continent.

Under the Norway option, the UK would remain a member of the European Economic Area (EEA), without full EU membership.

A Government document leaked to The Telegraph reveals that economic modelling by the Treasury designed to allow MPs to compare Mrs May’s deal to a no-deal exit would also include an “EEA-like scenario” - in a further sign that the arrangement is being considered seriously in Whitehall.

The leaked document states that the proposed Treasury modelling is designed to “support any ‘meaningful vote’ in Parliament on the final deal”.

I can hear the screaming now. This Brexit shitshow is causing - and is going to continue causing - all manner of repercussions down the line.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:47:10am

Your periodic reminder:

Fucking people amirite?

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:48:57am

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹

Secret ‘Plan B’ for Brexit: Cabinet and EU plot 11th-hour alternatives to Theresa May’s deal (London’s Sunday Telegraph, subscription required, more at the link):

Right now, the Brexit “choices” only vary in just how fucked the Tories are.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:58:34am

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 25, 2018 • 1:03:48am

Watch Adam Savage make a guitar case for Eric Idle — from scratch!

Adam Savage’s One Day Builds: Eric Idle’s Guitar Case!

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ericblair  Nov 25, 2018 • 1:54:52am

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

More from that article (I found the full text on Reddit):

I can hear the screaming now. This Brexit shitshow is causing - and is going to continue causing - all manner of repercussions down the line.

The rubber is hitting the road and the shit is hitting the fan. May got about a good a deal as possible from the EU, which is still far worse than staying in the EU, like every fucking Remainer has been screaming for two years.

So, what now. The deal will go to Parliament.The Brexiteers would have to toss out their fantasy unicorn Brexit and suck it up, so they’ll just blame May for not finding the unicorn and vote against it. The DUP knuckle-draggers will vote against it because it smells like an Irish Sea border in there. A good chunk of the Remainers will consider voting against it to force another referendum and shitcan Brexit. Corbyn will try to force Labour to vote against because he wants a general election and then Lexit.

Then, likely, the deal fails in Parliament because everyone thinks it’s some degree of failure. The EU will tell the UK that that’s the deal, they’re not going to make it any better for the Brits, and if the Brits don’t like it then they can brace for impact. So, they can get a quickie cut-and-paste sort-of-back-to-EU last-minute-panic Norway deal, they can get an un-Brexit referendum to cancel the whole thing, or they can have chaos. I’m not ruling out chaos because of the real possibility that bullheadedly stupid refusal to face reality will win out by default.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 25, 2018 • 2:08:15am

re: #159 ericblair

I’m not ruling out chaos because of the real possibility that bullheadedly stupid refusal to face reality will win out by default.

Unfortunately, I can see that happening too - as it would seem that “refusal to face reality” is the default Brexit setting.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 2:10:43am

re: #159 ericblair

Then, likely, the deal fails in Parliament because everyone thinks it’s some degree of failure. The EU will tell the UK that that’s the deal, they’re not going to make it any better for the Brits, and if the Brits don’t like it then they can brace for impact. So, they can get a quickie cut-and-paste sort-of-back-to-EU Norway deal, they can get an un-Brexit referendum to cancel the whole thing, or they can have chaos. I’m not ruling out chaos because of the real possibility that bullheadedly stupid refusal to face reality will win out by default.

I’m not a political scientist, nor do I play one on television, but the Conservative Party in the UK looks an awful lot like the GOP here. Even their erstwhile coalition partners the DUP think this is a bad deal.

Every party in the government seems to be opposed to the Brexit deal (for various reasons) now that all the implications of it are clear.

Nevertheless, like conservatives here, they cannot change their position and retain power (and retaining power is the most important thing to a conservative), so they will keep bulldozing ahead as if they have a plan which will work.

a) They point out this is simply a referendum and they don’t have to follow it, and they lose their hardcore Brexit supporters, and the government might fall or they get wiped out in the next election.
b) They hold another referendum (on the idea that well now you know everything) and they still lose those hardcore supporters, along with those who might say you can’t keep having referenda until you get the result you want.
c) They take this deal, and the DUP tells the Conservatives no mas, and the government falls.
d) They pass on this deal, and the large number of Conservative MPs join with the other parties for a no confidence vote and a snap election.

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Targetpractice  Nov 25, 2018 • 2:46:42am

Like I said, there’s really no way out for May at this point, she’s dug her own grave by continuing to entertain the pro-Brexit portion of the Conservative Party past the point when she should have told them it’s just not happening. At least not in the fashion they have been assuring their voters it would, where the UK got to keep all the benefits of being an EU member while getting to kick out all of “those people.” At the same time, the deal on the table is the only deal that the EU will entertain, so whoever replaces her is not going to magically get them to cough up the unicorn scenario that was promised. And another referendum could very well blow back in their faces, as the Leave crowd might band together and decide that a No-Deal Brexit is preferable to the EU deal or Remain.

The Tories are well and truly fucked.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Nov 25, 2018 • 4:22:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 4:39:31am

must be picture books…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 4:40:08am

he really is a moron

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 4:50:01am

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

Doesn’t he make the precise same claims about every candidate he supports?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:10:26am

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

Looks like a good one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:15:43am
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ericblair  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:16:00am

re: #162 Targetpractice

Like I said, there’s really no way out for May at this point, she’s dug her own grave by continuing to entertain the pro-Brexit portion of the Conservative Party past the point when she should have told them it’s just not happening.

May, from those who know her, is stubborn, mean, and rather dull. She let herself get screwed by the bunch of opportunistic weasels that are the professional Brexiteers. She tried putting them in charge of negotiating the Brexit deal to neutralize them, but they all quit. When these primary architects of Brexit quit, she should have tossed the whole project in the trash and publicly told them that if they weren’t serious, then nobody was and it’s over. Instead, she mindlessly kept grinding away at it and got the whole shitty mess dumped in her lap. No sympathy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:30:24am

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

Doesn’t he make the precise same claims about every candidate he supports?

Yep. It’s always the same four. I would say he probably copies and pastes but that’s assuming he knows that function.

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:30:53am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:31:38am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

must be picture books…

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He probably had no idea who VDH was before they said “Donald, this guy is kissing your ass and he’s considered smart to people in your base, RT how great he and his book are.”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:34:53am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Yep. It’s always the same four. I would say he probably copies and pastes but that’s assuming he knows that function.

Probably a staffer has all the key words written out on a large sheet of paper in 48-point type so Mr Too-Vain-to-Wear-Glasses can read it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:36:43am

re: #173 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Probably a staffer has all the key words written out on a large sheet of paper in 48-point type so Mr Too-Vain-to-Wear-Glasses can read it.

Yeah probably. I mean I get that politicians use cliches all the time but I think it’s hilarious how it’s always the same four lines that he uses to praise someone. I also want to know if CIndy is tougher on the Alabama or Louisiana border. Who do you hate more, Cindy, Bama or LSU!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:41:27am

Since Cindy Hyde-Smith’s attendance (and that of her daughter) at a segregation academy is in the news, a reminder of where the conservative religious right really came from. It did not come from abortion, it came from promoting segregation.

The case against Bob Jones University for racial discrimination, brought by the Gerald Ford DOJ against that university, was successfully transformed into a Jimmy Carter case by Paul Weyrich and Jerry Falwell (who’s own segregation academy was under fire) to elect Ronald Reagan.

Of note, four years before Reagan was elected President, he’d signed the most liberal abortion law in the nation in California.

politico.com

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Dave In Austin  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:42:59am

re: #171 jeffreyw

Turkey and Stuffing Sand, Jeff? All ours I’d now gone and the carcass went to the local foxes

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:45:05am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

Since Cindy Hyde-Smith’s attendance (and that of her daughter) at a segregation academy is in the news, a reminder of where the conservative religious right really came from. It did not come from abortion, it came from promoting segregation.

The case against Bob Jones University for racial discrimination, brought by the Gerald Ford DOJ against that university, was successfully transformed into a Jimmy Carter case by Paul Weyrich and Jerry Falwell (who’s own segregation academy was under fire) to elect Ronald Reagan.

Of note, four years before Reagan was elected President, he’d signed the most liberal abortion law in the nation in California.

politico.com

Yeah there’s been some good research on that. The Southern Baptists in fact actually praised Roe and opposition to abortion was seen as a “Catholic thing.” And you’re right about Reagan. It makes their worship of him and his courting of them all the more cynical but the Religious Right has always been about who can kiss their ass the biggest which is why they’ll embrace someone like Reagan or now Trump over people like Carter or Clinton, both of whom actually taught Sunday school at one point.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:46:27am

It’s awake and tweeting nonsense as usual. I’m too tired to bother reposting them here.

Stop the caravan. It’s all the Dems fault. No crossing.

French protests huge. They ignore bad trade deals EU gives USA. Pay up for military protection or else we bust your kneecaps, Frenchie.

Like that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:49:09am

nytimes.com

Very interesting going ons in Ireland with regards to birth right citizenship. Most heartwarming part of the article? Reading about the communities standing by immigrants and their families.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:50:23am

re: #178 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s awake and tweeting nonsense as usual. I’m too tired to bother reposting them here.

Stop the caravan. It’s all the Dems fault. No crossing.

French protests huge. They ignore bad trade deals EU gives USA. Pay up for military protection or else we bust your kneecaps, Frenchie.

Like that.

I really wish Macron, Merkel, and Trudeau would kick his ass one day. He’s such a fucking disgrace. Loves to bash our allies but he can’t be bothered to criticize Putin or the other dictatorships that praise him ever.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:54:04am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

I really wish Macron, Merkel, and Trudeau would kick his ass one day. He’s such a fucking disgrace. Loves to bash our allies but he can’t be bothered to criticize Putin or the other dictatorships that praise him ever.

The Democrats in the House will have to kick his ass and we’ll have to show him the door.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:55:17am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

I really wish Macron, Merkel, and Trudeau would kick his ass one day. He’s such a fucking disgrace. Loves to bash our allies but he can’t be bothered to criticize Putin or the other dictatorships that praise him ever.

I tweeted this earlier. Every time I see his tweets I get angry and sad at the same time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:55:45am

re: #181 Belafon

The Democrats in the House will have to kick his ass and we’ll have to show him the door.

Yeah it’s up to us ultimately. Man I am so sick of his shit. He’s such a fucking disgrace and stain on our country.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 5:57:14am

re: #182 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I tweeted this earlier. Every time I see his tweets I get angry and sad at the same time.

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I mean really. He says shit like that and the same people who complained Obama was a narcissist not only ignore it but they cheer it on. He could be convinced that he was responsible for the victory in WWII I bet. Trump is awful but the people handling and enabling are even worse and that starts with Kelly, Pence, his daughter, son in law, and others.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:00:13am

re: #182 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

LOL I like your response.

Last night at the grocery store, in this nation where Trump has made it legal for people to say “Merry Christmas” again, both the checker and the person who carried out our groceries to our car wished us “Happy Holidays” and a safe trip home through the snow and sleet.

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jeffreyw  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:01:30am

re: #176 Dave In Austin

Turkey and Stuffing Sand, Jeff? All ours I’d now gone and the carcass went to the local foxes

Yep, it’s the traditional thanksgiving leftovers sammich. This one has the turkey, dressing, sweet potato, cranberry relish and gravy. It takes a good while for the two of us to gnaw a full sized turkey down to the carcass. I always make lots of dressing and extra gravy.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:06:53am

“Merry Christmas.”
“Holidays to you, too.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:07:18am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Yeah probably. I mean I get that politicians use cliches all the time but I think it’s hilarious how it’s always the same four lines that he uses to praise someone. I also want to know if CIndy is tougher on the Alabama or Louisiana border. Who do you hate more, Cindy, Bama or LSU!

Mississippi apparently has a real problem with “migrant caravans” from Tennessee.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:10:50am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s up to us ultimately. Man I am so sick of his shit. He’s such a fucking disgrace and stain on our country.

While I am certainly no fan of any of the Republican presidents during my lifetime (I’ll give Eisenhower a pass because I was too young), all of them were far-and-away better than Trump (and I really despised Reagan and voted against him with extreme prejudice).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:24:14am

The Hoft boys are now trying to retcon Jamal Khashoggi as a terrorist with ties to Osama bin Laden, and who did not have a green card.

I will not dignify those tweets by sharing them here.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:24:51am

Time for bed here. Stay the course, everyone!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:35:10am

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹

While I am certainly no fan of any of the Republican presidents during my lifetime (I’ll give Eisenhower a pass because I was too young), all of them were far-and-away better than Trump (and I really despised Reagan and voted against him with extreme prejudice).

Yeah I’m not a fan of the Republican presidents in my lifetime either that preceed Trump but man he’s just the worst.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 6:35:38am

re: #190 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The Hoft boys are now trying to retcon Jamal Khashoggi as a terrorist with ties to Osama bin Laden, and who did not have a green card.

I will not dignify those tweets by sharing them here.

Hoft will do anything to absolve Trump. Fucking asshole has no principles.

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Jay C  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:00:38am

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹

Mississippi apparently has a real problem with “migrant caravans” from Tennessee.

SRSLY? People trying to get INTO Mississippi??

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:37:23am

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹

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Any word from the anti-abortion crew about this one?

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:42:20am

re: #190 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The Hoft boys are now trying to retcon Jamal Khashoggi as a terrorist with ties to Osama bin Laden, and who did not have a green card.

I will not dignify those tweets by sharing them here.

Wasn’t Ollie North a terrorist with ties to bin Laden back in the day?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:45:25am

I dunno.
It works for me.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:45:29am

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:45:49am

re: #195 Eventual Carrion

Any word from the anti-abortion crew about this one?

They are claiming she’s not really white, so lock her up.

Don’t worry, Sen. Gowdy, the House can take care of it in a month or two (if Mueller isn’t looking into it already):

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:47:00am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

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MsJ  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:48:47am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

I really wish Macron, Merkel, and Trudeau would kick his ass one day. He’s such a fucking disgrace. Loves to bash our allies but he can’t be bothered to criticize Putin or the other dictatorships that praise him ever.

Kicking his as is kicking OUR asses. I get the sentiment but the reality would be horrific for all of America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:48:52am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:49:33am

Lying and dissembling …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:50:22am

the moron thanks himself:

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:51:12am

When the GOP is in power, the Sunday political shows need to interview Republicans to find out what their plans are for governance.

When the Democratic Party is in power, the Sunday political shows need to interview Republicans to find out what their plans are to get back in governance.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:53:36am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

Absolutely correct. Racism is at the core of what motivates the Religious Right. Their forced birtherism has nothing to do with a love of or concern for children.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:57:42am
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MsJ  Nov 25, 2018 • 7:58:38am

Judge ruled against Papadopoulos. Off to prison he goes on Monday.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:06:41am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Truman had it right: GOP stands for Grand Old Platitudes. Actually learn how to lead Sasse instead of being a do nothing asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:07:06am

re: #201 MsJ

Kicking his as is kicking OUR asses. I get the sentiment but the reality would be horrific for all of America.

True, true. Man I’m just sick of him, his ugly face and his deranged tweets.

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MsJ  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:09:31am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

True, true. Man I’m just sick of him, his ugly face and his deranged tweets.

Look at the bright side, every idiotic tweet creates less and less trump supporters. There seems to be a limit for all but ~27% of Republicans. Each tweet is a gift to Democrats…one person at a time. And I’ll take that.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:12:09am

What kind of a jackass nicknames himself? This kind.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:13:02am

“Uncle Joe Stalin” is being mentioned more and more.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:13:45am
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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:23:03am

re: #211 MsJ

Look at the bright side, every idiotic tweet creates less and less trump supporters. There seems to be a limit for all but ~27% of Republicans. Each tweet is a gift to Democrats…one person at a time. And I’ll take that.

27% of the Republicans left in the party.

But don’t worry, the media is going to push for the Democrats to work with the Republicans to fix this country.

Unlike the media that didn’t push McConnell and Ryan on their Obama lack of cooperation and outright obstruction.

Like say Meet The Press Chuck who pushed Elijah Cummings on whether Cummings will allow minority party co-chairs to subpoena witnesses, which Republicans wouldn’t allow in their committees when they had the majority.

I don’t remember Chuck asking Ryan or McConnell to knock it off and work with Democrats.

So, I guess Democrats have to save everyone. Again.

And not get credit for it. Again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:28:13am

O_o
moron-in-chief probably approves…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:34:04am

i am shocked…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:38:35am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:41:01am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth
Good morning.

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:44:26am

Danielle Pletka is an asshole.

I have a feeling Elise Jordan is going to punch her in the nose in the halls of NBC News studios.

Pletka put Jackson down for having said the Saudi’s have issues with terrorism, and Pletka went on about how they’ve changed and it is the Iranians we should really worry about. Then Jackson mentioned 911 and Pletka was dismissive of it saying something like “I know that Elise thanks for telling me.”

But Pletka is the perfect Chuck Meet guest.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:45:01am
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MsJ  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:49:12am
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Amory Blaine  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:52:20am

re: #214 jaunte

Lying Trump is a much better nickname.

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mmmirele  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:55:29am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

Lying and dissembling …

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Personally, if I was Comey (or Clinton, you know they’re going to try that shit), I just wouldn’t show up for a closed hearing and dare them to arrest me. But make it very clear that you’re happy to have an open hearing, you’re just not going to be fodder for the GOP propaganda machine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:55:31am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:55:55am

I listened to Chuck Todd on Preet’s podcast where he was talking about how the press got the Iraq war wrong and so there was so much at stake to get it right on Trump. And all I could think was, why is Preet pretending this guy is serious? Has he seen any of Meet the Press?

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MsJ  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:57:28am

re: #226 Amory Blaine

Lying Trump is a much better nickname.

I like Deceitful Drumpf, myself.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2018 • 8:58:23am

I wonder how much the gambit of ordering Lynch and Comey to closed-door hearings was to lay the groundwork for Trumpies to refuse to show up to even open hearings: “hey, Comey blew us off, we can blow off the Democrat-controlled committee.”

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ericblair  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:12:10am

I fail to see a downside in this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:20:47am

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:21:18am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:25:35am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

When the GOP is in power, the Sunday political shows need to interview Republicans to find out what their plans are for governance.

When the Democratic Party is in power, the Sunday political shows need to interview Republicans to find out what their plans are to get back in governance.

Which is why I stopped watching the DC Gasbag shows over 30 years ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:25:38am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:32:08am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just turn off the Sunday Gasbag shows. Turn them off.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:36:54am

re: #233 ericblair

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I fail to see a downside in this.

Send him to Mars and if he dies from radiation on the way…well, that’s Gawd’s will!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:37:29am

Meanwhile in Kansas:

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:42:08am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile in Kansas:

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I knew there was a reason I like driving through there in the summer, and not the winter. But that storm is supposed to be here by tonight. Shudder.

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re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2018 • 9:54:26am

President T, huh?

“I pity the fool who doesn’t respect my YUUGE accomplishments!”

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BigPapa  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:02:41am

Stolen from FB, on the young missionary who died on Sentinel Island: Thoughts and Spears

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:05:03am

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:15:24am

As LGFs lone native Mississippian let me weigh on this Hyde-Smith thing.

First, a few things about Mississippi:

- Outside of a few Democratic leaning enclaves such as the Gulf Coast region, Jackson, Starkville (home of Mississippi State University) and several of the cities in the northwest that are essentially greater Memphis, Mississippi is by and large and very rural Conservative state.

- Despite it not having been the law for decades, Mississippi is still very racially segregated. There are still black communities, black churches, black restaurants, black grocery stores and black barbershops, among others. Of course, whites and other people are legally allowed in these places they just seldom go there.

- Throughout rural Mississippi (i.e most of the state) the most common demographic you’ll find are the God loving, gun loving, Jesus loving, Democratic hating Southern good ol’ boy types who drive trucks, watch football and go fishing on the weekends. Basically, a country song come to life.

- Racism is still a huge, huge issue here. While many whites are no longer openly hostile to blacks there’s plenty of hate simmering just below the surface. If it were still legal to lynch blacks, you wouldn’t have a hard time getting folks to hop on board with that.

With regards to this Senate race in particular:

- Cindy Hyde-Smith has been involved in MS politics for decades. If you are familiar with names like Haley Barbour, Tate Reeves and Phil Bryant you know wingnut conservatism flows right through the heart of this state. Bryant of course is our current goveror who spent thousands of dollars in taxpayer money trying to win a lawsuit that would shut down our states only abortion clinic (he lost). Hyde-Smith is no different.

- If Hyde-Smith was a man, she’d probably win hands down. As it is, the good ol’ boys are being forced to choose between a white woman and a black man. So they’re not thrilled about that but I’m sure you can guess which one is less palatable to them.

- Traditionally, whites have been more politically active and powerful in this state (and throughout most of the South) than blacks and Espy will need a strong black turnout to overcome Hyde-Smith.

- While most of the recent things that have been revealed about Hyde-Smith are abhorrent to outsiders, they will sell to the white, conservative demographic that serves as her base. These of course of the same people who are huge Trump fans.

Bottom line: Hyde-Smith is probably going to win, but even if things end up close that’s a win for Espy as Republicans usually trample Democrats in elections in these parts. A nail biter would certainly give the GOP pause as we head towards 2020.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:25:56am
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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:31:47am

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:37:38am

re: #250 Dave In Austin

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:38:48am
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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:40:53am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep. Eric Swalwell hangs out on hipster airliners and listens to what the hipsters are saying about Trump and the Saudi scandal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:41:30am

The Romaine Empire has fallen. Caesar is dead. Lettuce pray.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:41:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 10:45:20am

Mohammed bin Salman

FILE - In this Oct. 24, 2018, file, photo, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman attends the second day of the Future Investment Initiative conference, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince has begun his first tour abroad on Friday, Nov. 23, 2018 since facing international pressure over the killing of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi.(AP Photo/Amr Nabil)

WASHINGTON (AP) — The top Democrat on the House intelligence committee says President Donald Trump isn’t telling the truth when he says a CIA report lacks evidence to blame Saudi Arabia’s crown prince for the killing in Turkey of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi (jah-MAHL’ khahr-SHOHK’-jee).

Trump said Thursday the CIA report had “feelings certain ways” but no clear conclusion.

Asked Sunday about Trump’s characterization, California Rep. Adam Schiff, who was briefed on the classified report, told CNN: “I think the president is being dishonest.”

Schiff, the committee’s incoming chairman, said the panel will look into the Trump family’s business ties with Saudi Arabia and whether “personal financial interests” drive U.S.-Middle East policy.

Schiff says Trump is telegraphing to despots he will have “their back” if they praise or do business with him.

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Teukka  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:02:21am

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:28:40am

re: #268 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It’s Australia’s ABC News

Which is a Murdoch propaganda outlet, so everything they say is by definition a lie.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:31:13am
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ipsos  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:34:28am

re: #269 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Which is a Murdoch propaganda outlet, so everything they say is by definition a lie.

Um… no.

The ABC is the state broadcaster, like Canada’s CBC or the BBC in Britain.

It competes with the commercial TV networks and newspapers Murdoch owns.

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mmmirele  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:38:57am

The Guardian, BBC, Suddeutsche Zeitung, ICIJ and probably other news outlets have another massive report, this time on medical implants. Here’s the intro story.

Patients around the world are suffering pain and many have died as a result of faulty medical devices that have been allowed on to the market by a system dogged by poor regulation, lax rules on testing and a lack of transparency, an investigation has found.

Pacemakers, artificial hips, contraceptives and breast implants are among the devices that have caused injuries and resulted in patients having to undergo follow-up operations or in some cases losing their lives.

In some cases, the implants had not been tested in patients before being allowed on to the market.

theguardian.com

Scroll down to the bottom of the page for more stories. I looked at a story about the Essure sterilization implant and … holy crap.

Thousands of women have undergone invasive surgery to remove contraceptive implants that were designed to be permanent, according to research for the implant files.

The Essure implant, made by Bayer, was marketed as a “gentler” non-surgical alternative to traditional sterilisation methods, with women told the procedure could be carried out in a GP’s surgery in 15 minutes.

However, a Dutch surgeon who has carried out nearly 500 Essure removals described how the implant turned into a “calcified nail” inside the body and reported cases of devices having pierced through internal tissue and migrated into the abdomen.

The “calcified nail” part is giving me the willies.

theguardian.com

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:42:56am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:45:23am
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BigPapa  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:47:19am

Russians pushing the limits knowing Trump won’t do shit. No doubt they’ll keep pushing and pushing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:51:57am

re: #275 BigPapa

Russians pushing the limits knowing Trump won’t do shit. No doubt they’ll keep pushing and pushing.

If Trump does do something, he’ll probably send the Navy over there to help our “good friends” the Russians.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:52:27am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:53:00am

I really REALLY want to just stay in Canada.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2018 • 11:53:05am

Also, tech question: Does anyone else occasionally get a “Duplicate Comment!” error on something you just typed out and tried to submit for the first time?

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:01:16pm

Does he think the french are protesting him?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:04:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:08:18pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:10:34pm

Well damn.
Has @Dictionarycom taken over USA TODAY’s twitter?

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:15:00pm

There’s some severe parallel universe stuff going on in a George Papadapolous tweet where he reveals the names of five Brit individuals and organizations he claims set him up. I’m sure some of it is bot-driven, but a disturbingly large amount is MAGA-red-X-QAnon super derp (or as Josh Marshall calls it: derpspiracy). The delusion is frightening.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:16:43pm

Some background on the Kerch Strait/Sea of Azov situation

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:30:33pm

Ukraine? What about Ukraine?

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ObserverArt  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:34:03pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Ukraine? What about Ukraine?

That tweet may be about Ukraine.

Like: If you do not pay us what we want, then more stuff like Ukraine can happen to you and we aren’t going to help.

Maybe Vlad and The Don have a protection racket going.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:34:56pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

According to DT if you want protection you have to pay for it. Very old fashioned bully tactic. This is not how to run a country.

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:36:05pm

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, tech question: Does anyone else occasionally get a “Duplicate Comment!” error on something you just typed out and tried to submit for the first time?

I have. End up just reloading the page.

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2018 • 12:39:01pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Ukraine? What about Ukraine?

Ukraine? Romaine? Nah, big deal. /


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