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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:24:54am

Pedantic straw man Twitter strikes again.

At which point I just stop engaging, because why bother?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:28:53am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:37:37am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Pedantic straw man Twitter strikes again.

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At which point I just stop engaging, because why bother?

Who nominated Trump? Who continues to support him? This shit is ridiculous.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:38:46am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:40:14am

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

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TBH with the exception of that guy who shot the R Congressmen playing softball? How many “left wing terrorist activities” have there been?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:41:43am

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

So Mia Love is so weak that although she’s Haitian, she waits until she loses her reelection bid to speak out against Trump? Good to know. Good riddance.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:41:46am
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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:42:42am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

TBH with the exception of that guy who shot the R Congressmen playing softball? How many “left wing terrorist activities” have there been?

Depends on where on the political spectrum you place the moltov-cocktail-throwing-anarchists that show up at big international summits.

Personally, I’m not sure they fit any where on the spectrum, but your mileage may vary.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:42:45am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

What pedophile past would that be? Odd turn there.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:43:36am

Damn. Charles got retweeted by Patton Oswalt. He has almost four and a half million followers.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:44:20am
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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:44:34am

re: #6 Patricia Kayden

So Mia Love is so weak that although she’s Haitian, she waits until she loses her reelection bid to speak out against Trump? Good to know. Good riddance.

As the old line goes about presidential politics:

Democrats want to fall in love, Republicans fall in line.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:44:37am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Pedantic straw man Twitter strikes again.

Do you contend that the opinions expressed on internet comment boards correlate, absolutely, with that of the right wing base? Because that’s a leap. You’re accusing many, many people of being amoral disgusting people on tiny evidence, there.

- it’s not tiny evidence
- their comments speak for themselves
- appx 85% of republicans support the president and his job performance
(i believe i read that this very morning)

yes, yes i did. at electoral-vote.com:

Trump’s base is 30%-40% of the overall voting population. However, it’s about 85% of registered Republicans.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:45:20am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:46:14am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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These guys don’t get that most of us have lives and wouldn’t waste our precious times making conservatives look bad when they already do a fine job of that without our help at all.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:47:14am

re: #13 dangerman

- it’s not tiny evidence
- their comments speak for themselves
- appx 85% of republicans support the president and his job performance
(i believe i read that this very morning)

yes, yes i did. at electoral-vote.com:

There’s a follow up question, and that is: what percentage of population/respondents are self-identified Republicans at this point? If he’s at 85% of Republicans but Republicans only make up 30% of respondents instead of 35 or 40%, that 85% is even weaker.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:47:25am

re: #14 teleskiguy

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That sounds more like Taco Bell’s alley :). But yes the Pepper spray flavored nachos coming to a Taco Bell near you sponsored by the CBP.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:47:31am

Tell us how you really feel.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:48:32am

re: #18 teleskiguy

I knew there was a reason I’ve had a celebrity crush on her since as long as I can remember.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:48:34am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:48:57am

re: #11 makeitstop

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Exactly. Any other President who got the economy Trump got would be pretty popular but Trump because he’s such an asshole remains unpopular. My only worry is that the consequences of his shitty economy are going to become apparent when the GOP loses the WH and Senate and the GOP cynically and we know they will blame the Dems for the problems.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:49:28am

re: #6 Patricia Kayden

So Mia Love is so weak that although she’s Haitian, she waits until she loses her reelection bid to speak out against Trump? Good to know. Good riddance.

I was going to bring up Michael Steele earlier but it feels like walking a tightrope to bring up Love’s ethnicity when it simultaneously adds some context to her cowardice and is also ultimately irrelevant. I mean, Jeff Flake is just as craven, he just made the decision not to run instead of facing voters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:49:41am

re: #18 teleskiguy

Tell us how you really feel.

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You need to shut the fuck up Donnie and let these people apply for refugee status instead of being a fucking asshole with no decency at all. Just shut the fuck up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:49:56am

re: #9 Patricia Kayden

What pedophile past would that be? Odd turn there.

The big pedophile ring Mueller and Trump are going to bust any day now, according to Q.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:50:14am

re: #20 gocart mozart

Also check out @elakdawalla.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:50:27am
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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:50:29am

re: #14 teleskiguy

[it’s natural. You could actually put it on your nachos and eat it.]

Similarly, I hear the lead from Detroit’s faucets is of highest quality, from naturally-derived sources.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:50:43am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

TBH with the exception of that guy who shot the R Congressmen playing softball? How many “left wing terrorist activities” have there been?

Good question because I can’t think of any leftwing violence in the recent past. And it’s not because I’m biased. If anyone can point out actual violence on our part, I have no problem with condemning it.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:51:36am

re: #24 Big Beautiful Door

It makes me wonder if they are running a pedophile ring since it’s always projection with those idiots.

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sagehen  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:51:57am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

TBH with the exception of that guy who shot the R Congressmen playing softball? How many “left wing terrorist activities” have there been?

Depends how broad your definition of “left wing”, and also the length of your calendar.

The anti-Vietnam and anti-draft people were left wing, but it’s been more than 40 years since they had anything to be upset about. The Earth First eco-warriors are… arguably left wing, but they’re not doing so much monkey-wrenching anymore. The DAPL people didn’t start the violence, but it’s possible they’re being assigned responsibility. All that’s really left is the WTO protests and antifa.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:52:05am

signals consistent with parachute deployment

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:52:44am

re: #28 Patricia Kayden

Good question because I can’t think of any leftwing violence in the recent past. And it’s not because I’m biased. If anyone can point out actual violence on our part, I have no problem with condemning it.

I’m genuinely stumped. I mean I will grant that attack on the Congressmen was terrorism and that’s coming from someone who despises Scalise and his David Duke love.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:53:25am

re: #30 sagehen

Depends how broad your definition of “left wing”, and also the length of your calendar.

The anti-Vietnam and anti-draft people were left wing, but it’s been more than 40 years since they had anything to be upset about. The Earth First eco-warriors are… arguably left wing, but they’re not doing so much monkey-wrenching anymore. The DAPL people didn’t start the violence, but it’s possible they’re being assigned responsibility. All that’s really left is the WTO protests and antifa.

Well I meant in recent years. But yeah I should have clarified that but you’re right. There really isn’t that much left wing violence these days.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:53:31am

re: #29 Patricia Kayden

It makes me wonder if they are running a pedophile ring since it’s always projection with those idiots.

Don’t you wonder every once in a while where all those missing kids went?

only half /

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:54:07am

re: #31 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

signals consistent with parachute deployment

Radar locked on ground

Lander separation

TOUCHDOWN

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:54:18am

re: #29 Patricia Kayden

It makes me wonder if they are running a pedophile ring since it’s always projection with those idiots.

Remember Eugene Delgaudio in Sterling? Loved blaming gays for pedophila and then his own brother hooked up with an underaged girl.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:54:36am

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

As a woman of Caribbean descent, I find it appalling that Mia Love had very little to say when Trump called Haiti a sh*thole country and also moved to repeal the temporary residence status that Haitians had received after the 2010 earthquake. Her ethnicity is relevant to me (and other Caribbean folk I hang with).

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:54:51am

Sounds like a landing of the new Mars probe.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:55:09am
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:55:42am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Remember Eugene Delgaudio in Sterling? Loved blaming gays for pedophila and then his own brother hooked up with an underaged girl.

WOW. I didn’t know that about Delgaudio’s brother but have read about his bizarre obsession with “the gays” on Joe My God.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:56:22am

Just got a lovely email through the contact form.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:56:37am

So I see the new RWNJ talking point is that the Border Patrol pepper sprayed migrants when Obama was President too so both sides, etc.

I also see the police in Alabama who shot and killed an innocent black man are blaming him for having his (legally owned) gun in his hand during the incident.

This fucking country man.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:56:44am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:57:01am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:57:03am

I’m back from mailing the water sample to the state lab. The village owes me $28.50 for paying the postage out of my own pocket.

re: #554 sagehen

Are they going to have to pay you for that now you’re not on the board?

Technically I’m still on the village board until December 10. After that, they’ll have to start paying me, and I’m still waiting for the VA to tell me whether that would interfere with my disability pay. There is no way they can afford to make that up.

The likely outcome is I won’t be the village water operator after the end of December.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:57:46am

re: #14 teleskiguy

In Soviet Trumpistan, nachos eat you.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:58:02am

re: #40 Patricia Kayden

WOW. I didn’t know that about Delgaudio’s brother but have read about his bizarre obsession with “the gays” on Joe My God.

Yeah I have a college friend who recently trolled Eugene on Twitter. I had forgotten all about him TBH.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:58:40am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:59:21am

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

So I see the new RWNJ talking point is that the Border Patrol pepper sprayed migrants when Obama was President too so both sides, etc.

I also see the police in Alabama who shot and killed an innocent black man are blaming him for having his (legally owned) gun in his hand during the incident.

This fucking country man.

So he had a gun in his hand? I thought they supported the right to bear arms. And if that happened in the Obama years, that’s bad too. Fucking idiots insisted that Obama was this great enabler but then whenever Trump gets in shit, it’s OBAMA DID IT TOOOOOOOOOOO!. Fuckers. You wanted a fake tough guy and you got a fake tough guy, own your shit.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:59:28am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:59:32am

PICTURES FROM MARS

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:59:38am

Picture from Mars!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:00:00pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

I was going to bring up Michael Steele earlier but it feels like walking a tightrope to bring up Love’s ethnicity when it simultaneously adds some context to her cowardice and is also ultimately irrelevant. I mean, Jeff Flake is just as craven, he just made the decision not to run instead of facing voters.

I mean, it is interesting to me that Love chose to use the term “unleashed and untethered” to describe her sense of freedom in no longer feeling the obligations of being a GOP Representative, when right wingers accuse liberal African Americans of being on the “Dem Plantation.”

And that’s as far into this fucking minefield as I feel like stepping today.

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:00:12pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

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I can’t wait to see pictures. With all the development of small digital cameras there should be some great imaging.

And there is the first little look…

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:00:40pm
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sagehen  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:00:43pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

Sounds like a landing of the new Mars probe.

And look who’s waiting with a plate of cookies to welcome the new neighbors…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:01:00pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t recall President Obama ordering border patrol officers to open fire on migrants but perhaps I am missing something. It’s odd that Trump hates President Obama’s guts but keeps copying him (or claiming to do so).

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:01:11pm

re: #19 KGxvi

I knew there was a reason I’ve had a celebrity crush on her since as long as I can remember.

Yeah, I’m sure her future activism while she was on Who’s the Boss was what we were thinking about. :)

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:01:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:01:42pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Pedantic straw man Twitter strikes again.

At which point I just stop engaging, because why bother?

Well, no one I am aware of in my town is on right-wing message boards, but they voted for Trump in overwhelming numbers and put a write-in neo-Nazi adjacent candidate on my town board to replace me. (Then there was that dine-out in Cheyenne, and none of them are on right-wing message boards either … the most charitable comment I got there was “you deserved to lose to a Nazi because you’re a liberal.”)

So while it might not be “the right wing base,” it sure is an awful lot of the right wing base.”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:02:08pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

And that’s that. He doesn’t believe it so it’s not true. And yet, I must have missed hearing all about his scientific expertise and qualifications.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:02:08pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:02:47pm
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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:03:26pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

Can someone post the picture for those of us who can’t twitter at work?

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:03:29pm

re: #58 Belafon

Yeah, I’m sure her future activism while she was on Who’s the Boss was what we were thinking about. :)

In fairness, she’s like 5 years older than me, so there’s probably been a few reasons over the years.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:04:03pm

re: #57 Patricia Kayden

I don’t recall President Obama ordering border patrol officers to open fire on migrants but perhaps I am missing something. It’s odd that Trump hates President Obama’s guts but keeps copying him (or claiming to do so).

The fake news media covered up for Obama! /

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:04:24pm

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

Well, no one I am aware of in my town is on right-wing message boards, but they voted for Trump in overwhelming numbers and put a write-in neo-Nazi adjacent candidate on my town board to replace me. (Then there was that dine-out in Cheyenne, and none of them are on right-wing message boards either … the most charitable comment I got there was “you deserved to lose to a Nazi because you’re a liberal.”)

So while it might not be “the right wing base,” it sure is an awful lot of the right wing base.”

It’s just like while not every German who voted for Hitler for Chancellor was a swastika wearing violent thug, they showed an indifference to swastika wearing thugs. The people who say you deserved to lose to a Neo-Nazi are that same type of person. Elie Wiesel had it right when he said the road to Auschwitz was paved with indifference and as Martin Nimholler’s poem reminds us about how some did not speak out because they were not targeted gets at that too. I’m not an immigrant. In fact, I’m a white man, one of the groups that got Trump into power but I stand by those oppressed by his policies because oppression of some is oppression of all in the end.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:04:29pm

re: #64 Belafon

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:05:16pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

Gracias.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:05:33pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

CNN International has competition from BBC Worldwide, from Sky News, from Al Jazzera, and from (if you want to call it “news”) RT in the international market, plus all the local news shows.

Unfortunately, I’m guessing any sort of state run media that Trump would want would work much more like RT than BBC.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:06:37pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

This is a fish-eye camera, so it’s distorted, making the horizon look like a hill.

[flat earther]see! They’re using fish eye lenses to distort everything! This is just in the Mohave Desert, anyway, wake up sheeple![/flat earther]

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:07:07pm

re: #70 KGxvi

CNN International has competition from BBC Worldwide, from Sky News, from Al Jazzera, and from (if you want to call it “news”) RT in the international market, plus all the local news shows.

Unfortunately, I’m guessing any sort of state run media that Trump would want would work much more like RT than BBC.

They would probably staff it from Breitbart.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:07:20pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:09:09pm

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹

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Let’s see if May can get Parliamentary approval for her deal.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:11:03pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:12:04pm

re: #75 Patricia Kayden

I wonder if Trump will pardon him should he be found guilty.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:12:08pm

re: #75 Patricia Kayden

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Lock him up.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:13:04pm

“I wonder where they keep the pik-a-nik baskets?”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:13:43pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Trump will pardon him should he be found guilty.

He can’t pardon those who are convicted of crimes on a state level though I’m sure he wouldn’t mind interfering with Virginia’s courts. Point of reference though, some people wanted Obama to pardon Steven Avery and Brandon Dassey of Making a Murderer and Obama pointed out that as President, he had no such jurisdiction for a Wisconsin matter.

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lawhawk  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:13:53pm

Woo… heavy rain coming through NYC metro right now… no wonder it got dark here…

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:15:41pm

re: #74 Big Beautiful Door

Let’s see if May can get Parliamentary approval for her deal.

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ericblair  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:16:33pm

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹

Gosh, the news networks have erected a 5 metre platform opposite parliament, and the Stop Brexit protestors have STILL found a way to get in the back of their shots.

They invented LONG STICKS. Is there no end to their evil ingenuity?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:19:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:20:41pm

re: #83 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You’re nothing but a Putin mouthpiece masquerading as President of the United States and if Obama’s policy was so similiar to yours, why do you constantly badmouth Obama’s policies? You just want to look tough for the easily fooled marks in your base but you can’t stand it when people who actually know what they’re talking about call you out for the monstrous thug pig faced son of a bitch you are.

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lawhawk  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:20:50pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:20:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:21:36pm

re: #85 lawhawk

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Trump if he didn’t get his Daddy’s money would have been on the streets of Queens giving handjobs to feed his coke addiction.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:22:14pm

Better definition Mars photo.

And for those who can’t Twitter:

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lawhawk  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:22:30pm

re: #86 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Kragar  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:23:32pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:23:52pm

re: #83 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Here’s my shocked face

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:23:53pm

Trump claimed that Obama was failing in every single way yet whenever his policies that are his and his alone get criticized, he cries but but but Obama. This man isn’t tough. In fact, Trump is a coward’s coward. He loves to look tough because when push comes to shove, he’s a fucking coward who has no idea about anything other than to con people even more ignorant than he is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:24:20pm

re: #90 Kragar

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I actually didn’t know Corsi was a truther. Wow.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:24:38pm

re: #85 lawhawk

The world would be a better place if he would have been able to buy the Buffalo Bills in 2014.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:24:39pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:24:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:26:31pm

re: #94 KGxvi

The world would be a better place if he would have been able to buy the Buffalo Bills in 2014.

I would feel bad for the people of Buffalo but yeah aside from that, a small price to pay even if it meant that his pal Brady’s Patriots would would have an even more inept division rival.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:26:48pm

re: #96 Patricia Kayden

Trump doesn’t want to deal with climate change because he probably has adult ADHD and can’t focus on something for more than 45 seconds.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:27:34pm

re: #98 KGxvi

Trump doesn’t want to deal with climate change because he probably has adult ADHD and can’t focus on something for more than 45 seconds.

He doesn’t want to deal with anything that won’t benefit him personally.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:27:52pm

re: #96 Patricia Kayden

“The economy” just means “our donors.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:28:39pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

People who support Donald Trump will NEVER be reached by argument or persuasion. You’re welcome to try if you want to waste your time - I’m finished trying.

After Trump was elected here by an overwhelming margin, we weren’t particularly worried about our neighbouors.

My wife is now terrified of living here after the last election, and is looking for us to afford a way out. (That’s why she’s looking into places like Mérida, Mexico.)

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Sir John Barron  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:28:53pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I actually didn’t know Corsi was a truther. Wow.

Truther, Birther, you name it

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:29:54pm

This pedantic jackass is still going.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:30:03pm

re: #102 Sir John Barron

Truther, Birther, you name it

Yeah I guess I’m not surprised even though his trash Kerry book did play a role in getting Bush re-elected.

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lawhawk  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:30:28pm
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Kragar  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:30:52pm

re: #102 Sir John Barron

Truther, Birther, you name it

My favorite one is him thinking Oil isn’t a fossil fuel and that we have an infinite supply.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:31:43pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

This pedantic jackass is still going.

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Okay let’s go with something other than message boards, let’s see what they say when they get interviewed. Oh wait, tehy totally go along with it because they’re a bunch of ill tempered racists who don’t give a shit what happens to PoC especially children because they’re racist fuckers who listen to their fellow racist Trump and have never bothered to learn anything about why people are fleeing Central America because it doesn’t concern them. Meanwhile they think legal same sex marriage discriminates against them.

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William Lewis  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:32:00pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Radar locked on ground

Lander separation

TOUCHDOWN

And now to decide if we go for the 2 point conversion?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:32:31pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Something has to be done, including the possibility of the United States starting our own Worldwide Network to show the World the way we really are, GREAT!

— Donald J. Trump

We have that. It’s called Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Marti, and Radio Sawa (along with Armed Forces Radio and Television Network).

I wouldn’t expect him to know that (or much of anything else about government though - those don’t make him any money).

Remind me again why conservatives constantly claim we need to elect a businessman president?

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:32:41pm

re: #86 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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GM leaving and WalMart doesn’t pay enough to live. Good going Donny Two Scoops

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:32:47pm

re: #105 lawhawk

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The country isn’t treated “unfairly” by the media, you whiny shit. You’re rightfully criticized for being a fucking baby who doesn’t know how to take criticism like an adult because you were spoiled rotten as a child and no one ever taught you the meaning of the word no.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:32:57pm

re: #96 Patricia Kayden

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Trump’s Radical Republican Xtian base wants global warming to run unchecked because they believe JC and his Sonshine Band will turn on the Holy Hoover Vacuum Cleaner sucking them up into Hay-Venn.

They’re going to get the shock of their lives when Florida goes completely under water and JC pulls a no-show!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:34:20pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:34:53pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:36:22pm

re: #112 Joe Bacon 🌹

Revelation 11:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

I wonder how Conservatives explain the above text which seems to infer that their god will destroy those who destroy the earth.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:36:54pm
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William Lewis  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:36:55pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

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It’s the toy dropped by the martian kid who ran off at the noise from above thinking the Americans were here with their pepper spray?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:37:42pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

Drump’s going to take credit for this, right?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:38:09pm

re: #102 Sir John Barron

Truther, Birther, you name it

Truther, Birther and hopefully very soon Prisoner.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:41:23pm

Man, that streaming service is really gonna suck.

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Kragar  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:42:18pm

re: #120 makeitstop

Who would pay to hear Rhinestone and Burlap?

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:44:14pm

re: #121 Kragar

Who would pay to hear Rhinestone and Burlap?

Tiny Lampshade’s got a slot, too. It’s like the farm leagues for mediocre RW pundit wannabes.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:44:20pm

re: #120 makeitstop

Man, that streaming service is really gonna suck.

So Fox Nation will be a parody of itself.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:45:04pm

re: #123 Sir John Barron

So Fox Nation will be a parody of itself.

All the talking points, with only half the brain power.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:45:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:45:19pm

re: #120 makeitstop

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Man, that streaming service is really gonna suck.

Really loading up on the talent I see FNC.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:45:54pm

re: #120 makeitstop

Man, that streaming service is really gonna suck.

Shouldn’t Diamond and Silk have to pay to be on a streaming service?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:45:59pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

This pedantic jackass is still going.

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Appropriate thing to do at this point is require him to prove that the right wing base constitutes half of America.

Or mute him.

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steve_davis  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:46:16pm

re: #8 KGxvi

Depends on where on the political spectrum you place the moltov-cocktail-throwing-anarchists that show up at big international summits.

Personally, I’m not sure they fit any where on the spectrum, but your mileage may vary.

anarchists are ultra, ultra left. even the commies think they smell bad.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:46:22pm

re: #121 Kragar

Who would pay to hear Rhinestone and Burlap?

No one. The only time I’ve ever seen their crap posted is by white conservatives desperately trying to act like African-American democrats and liberals are too stupid to know better so they go to these two clowns.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:46:38pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

This pedantic jackass is still going.

It would appear he’s using pedantry as a “not all conservatives” deflection.

Might be worth asking if he’d vote for a qualified Democratic candidate the next time round.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:47:58pm

re: #129 steve_davis

anarchists are ultra, ultra left. even the commies think they smell bad.

Are Anarchists the left? See to me I always saw anarchism as the extreme ending of libertarianism. If Communism and Fascism are the extreme end of left and right then I wager that anarchism is the same for libertarianism but I dunno enough about anarchsim to really judge it.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:49:38pm

re: #16 KGxvi

There’s a follow up question, and that is: what percentage of population/respondents are self-identified Republicans at this point? If he’s at 85% of Republicans but Republicans only make up 30% of respondents instead of 35 or 40%, that 85% is even weaker.

this is certainly true
and oddly, it also bolsters the point the OP was missing
the smaller the group of self-identified reps, the more likely it is that comment sections do more accurately represent them

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Dr. Matt  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:50:53pm

Actual quote from Donnie, Ph.D. on Climate Change

“You’re going to have to China and Japan and all of Asia and all of these other countries, you know, it addresses our country. Right now we’re the cleanest we’ve ever been, and that’s very important to me, but if we’re clean, but every other place on Earth is dirty, that’s not so good. So I want clean air, I want clean water, very important.”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:51:11pm

Woohoo!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:51:49pm

OT: I want to thank the LGF Academy for helping me reach 122,242 karma points. That just seemed like an interesting number today.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:52:10pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

Tell us how you really feel.

Would be very SMART if Mexico would stop the Caravans long before they get to our Southern Border, or if originating countries would not let them form (it is a way they get certain people out of their country and dump in U.S. No longer). Dems created this problem. No crossings!

smarter for who?
and i dont mean the people actually walking
you want mexico to make your job easier

further, how does an ‘originating country’ not let people leave? (yeah, dont answer that)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:52:52pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

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“unleashed and untethered” sounds ridiculously like Palin’s loser description of herself as “unshackled”.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:53:09pm

re: #115 Patricia Kayden

Revelation 11:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

I wonder how Conservatives explain the above text which seems to infer that their god will destroy those who destroy the earth.

They believe that they’ll be dining on Howard Johnson’s Tendersweet Fried Clams and HoJo Colas in Hay-Venn with JC and they’ll be laughing at all the suckers left behind.

I drove a Radical Xtian nuts when I said that assigning numeric values to the letters in “Make America Great Again” totals to…

666!

He asked me how I came up with that and I replied for him to give prayerful consideration and supplication to JC for a word of knowledge!

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lawhawk  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:56:26pm

re: #134 Dr. Matt

Trump’s a fucking lunatic who doesn’t know or care about science or policy. He’s too busy spouting the next empty platitude that crosses in front of him thanks to a staff that tells him what he wants to hear, not what he needs to hear.

China and Japan are doing all they can to reduce pollution, because they see the threat. China’s moving to renewables in a serious way, and is trying to crack down on point source pollution from factories, etc.

Japan has a well established clean environment record.

Trump’s busy gutting ours. And we’re not a leader. We’re 27th. Thanks @ddale8 for that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:57:04pm

re: #120 makeitstop

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Man, that streaming service is really gonna suck.

I guess Diamond and Silk’s audition tape for Pornhub flopped.

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lawhawk  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:57:48pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

OT: I want to thank the LGF Academy for helping me reach 122,242 karma points. That just seemed like an interesting number today.

Well, you crossed 122,221 earlier today… so there’s that :)

Congrats.

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Weaselone  Nov 26, 2018 • 12:59:51pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

It looks like the lander may be partially on rock or some sort of compressed dirt which is a bit elevated above the rest of the landscape. Part of it is visible in the lower right of the image. There appears to be a small chunk broken off from the main mass directly in front of the image. Could explain the apparent tilt.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:00:11pm

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

“I drove a Radical Xtian nuts when I said that assigning numeric values to the letters in “Make America Great Again” totals to…

666!

He asked me how I came up with that and I replied for him to give prayerful consideration and supplication to JC for a word of knowledge!”

LOL!! You know that’s wrong on so many levels.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:01:47pm

re: #144 Patricia Kayden

LOL!! You know that’s wrong on so many levels.

It’s fair game because of all the times they lied about Obama being the Antichrist!

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:03:12pm

re: #82 ericblair

They invented LONG STICKS. Is there no end to their evil ingenuity?

just like with the border wall

ladders and pillows

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:03:43pm

So tired of this starry-eyed bullshit.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:03:55pm

re: #145 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I was a young’un, it was Reagan who was the Anti-Christ. I assume some Christians are now claiming that Trump is the Anti-Christ. Funny how the Anti-Christ changes with the presidency.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:06:45pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Trump’s advice to GM CEO Mary Barra: “They say the Chevy cruise is not selling well. I said well get a car that is selling well and put it back in. I think you’ll see something else happen there.”

sell something people want?

really? that’s your ‘advice’?

why not go for the nobel in medicine: “how to rid the world of all known diseases”

YouTube

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:07:33pm

re: #148 Patricia Kayden

When I was a young’un, it was Reagan who was the Anti-Christ. I assume some Christians are now claiming that Trump is the Anti-Christ. Funny how the Anti-Christ changes with the presidency.

Well if you don’t have the anti-christ you want then just accept the anti-christ you have.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:07:43pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:12:17pm

re: #151 gocart mozart

[S. A. and the Steep Canyon Rangers]

That’s my favorite holiday song, Thanks!

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:18:08pm

re: #112 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump’s Radical Republican Xtian base wants global warming to run unchecked because they believe JC and his Sonshine Band will turn on the Holy Hoover Vacuum Cleaner sucking them up into Hay-Venn.

They’re going to get the shock of their lives when Florida goes completely under water and JC pulls a no-show!

florida is basically flat and just slightly above sea level
the highest point in the southern half of the state (70’) is the landfill (now a park) at the end of my road
it’s not gonna take much of a rise
it’ll flow from ocean to gulf, gulf to ocean, and meet in the middle
there’s absolutely nothing to stop the water

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TedStriker  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:18:17pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

So tired of this starry-eyed bullshit.

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sagehen  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:18:41pm

re: #89 lawhawk

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You forgot airlines…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:20:15pm

OK, I’m done.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:20:42pm
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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:21:36pm

re: #125 gocart mozart

And we have touchdown!!! Our @NASAInSight spacecraft has landed successfully on Mars!

i would not have been offended if they tweeted “on fucking Mars!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:22:30pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

OK, I’m done.

Oooh, going for the Jim Crow argument of “we must be civil.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:24:19pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

This pedantic jackass is still going.

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pedantic jackass’s twitter bio says he lives in Bristol, England.

He can take a seat now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:27:58pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

pedantic jackass’s twitter bio says he lives in Bristol, England.

He can take a seat now.

Reminds me of when Buck, a Canadian would insist that we were being too zealous in calling out the Tea Party.

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Kragar  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:28:46pm

re: #153 dangerman

florida is basically flat and just slightly above sea level
the highest point in the southern half of the state (70’) is the landfill (now a park) at the end of my road
it’s not gonna take much of a rise
it’ll flow from ocean to gulf, gulf to ocean, and meet in the middle
there’s absolutely nothing to stop the water

Also due to the geological make up of the region, there is really no saving it. In some regions, you can build dikes and levees to prevent flooding, but because of underlying geography of Florida, that wouldn’t work. There are just too many ways for water to make it inland both on the surface and thru countless underground channels to ever stop it.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:29:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:30:48pm

re: #163 Patricia Kayden

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Fucking Jack.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:31:05pm

re: #162 Kragar

Also due to the geological make up of the region, there is really no saving it. In some regions, you can build dikes and levees to prevent flooding, but because of underlying geography of Florida, that wouldn’t work. There are just too many ways for water to make it inland both on the surface and thru countless underground channels to ever stop it.

sure, depress me even more….

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Kragar  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:31:52pm

re: #165 dangerman

sure, depress me even more….

I thought I was bearing good news.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:32:14pm

Thread.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:32:42pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Fucking Jack.

well, i said fucking Mars. re: #158 dangerman

and in a different context.
but yeah, fuck him too

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:32:58pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

[flat earther]LOL, they forgot to clear someone’s discarded Nikes out of the camera shot before broadcasting their hoax to the whole world! # itsthemohaviedesert[/flat earther]

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:34:00pm
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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:34:31pm

re: #129 steve_davis

anarchists are ultra, ultra left. even the commies think they smell bad.

I kind of see them as the dot of the I in the Jeremy Bearimy version of the political spectrum.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:34:57pm

FYI, there is a nationwide recall of Thermacare Heatwraps due to leaking and the potential of dermal injuries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:36:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:37:38pm

re: #170 makeitstop

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Good. I understand those who think he may not be qualified but I disagree and I think he’d be great too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:38:18pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stupid wanker.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:38:23pm

not going well for May:

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:38:45pm

re: #170 makeitstop

He should run. He would make a great President. He very much reminds me of a younger Barack Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:39:46pm

re: #177 Patricia Kayden

He should run. He would make a great President. He very much reminds me of a younger Barack Obama.

When I was at the Westin victory watch party, no other race outside our district and state had the most eyes glued to it.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:41:06pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

You must have had a great time at Wexton’s party since she won and beat that awful Rightwinger Comstock. It was so satisfying to see Comstock lose.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:41:16pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

When I was at the Westin victory watch party, no other race outside our district and state had the most eyes glued to it.

Have we ever had a presidential election with two nominees from different states who won each other’s home state?

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:42:15pm

re: #177 Patricia Kayden

He should run. He would make a great President. He very much reminds me of a younger Barack Obama.

He does have many of the same gifts as Barack. I would love to see him run.

I think he could beat a weakened Trump, and Trump will most certainly be weakened in 2020..

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:43:12pm

re: #179 Patricia Kayden

You must have had a great time at Wexton’s party since she won and beat that awful Rightwinger Comstock. It was so satisfying to see Comstock lose.

Oh yeah for sure. People of so many ages and groups and the food was surprisingly great at the hotel restaurant too.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:44:03pm

re: #180 KGxvi

If I’m understanding your question correctly, didn’t Clinton and Gore win Arkansas and Tennessee in 1992?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:44:26pm

I’d definitely support a Beto candidacy. What I’m watching is who these guys and gals surround themselves with as aides and advisers.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:44:58pm

re: #180 KGxvi

Have we ever had a presidential election with two nominees from different states who won each other’s home state?

I’m not sure.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:45:29pm

re: #181 makeitstop

He does have many of the same gifts as Barack. I would love to see him run.

I think he could beat a weakened Trump, and Trump will most certainly be weakened in 2020..

I’m hoping that anyone running as a Democrat can beat Trump in 2020 since by then Mueller’s report will have been released and Democrats will have dug up serious dirt on him by then.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:45:53pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

If I’m understanding your question correctly, didn’t Clinton and Gore win Arkansas and Tennessee in 1992?

No he’s asking if we ever had a situation where say Bill lost Arkansas and HW lost Texas. Bill and Al won Arkansas and Tennessee both times. Hard to believe now.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:45:54pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

If I’m understanding your question correctly, didn’t Clinton and Gore win Arkansas and Tennessee in 1992?

Not quite what I mean. I mean more like, if in 2008, if McCain had won Illinois while Obama won Arizona.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:48:01pm

re: #186 Patricia Kayden

I’m hoping that anyone running as a Democrat can beat Trump in 2020 since by then Mueller’s report will have been released and Democrats will have dug up serious dirt on him by then.

Exactly. He can’t get above 40% approval with things as they are now. Think about what two years of investigations is going to do.

That 39% approval rating might end up looking damned good in comparison.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:48:09pm

re: #180 KGxvi

Have we ever had a presidential election with two nominees from different states who won each other’s home state?

JFK and Johnson won both Texas and Massachusetts.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:49:33pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

No he’s asking if we ever had a situation where say Bill lost Arkansas and HW lost Texas. Bill and Al won Arkansas and Tennessee both times. Hard to believe now.

The 90s were the death rattle of the southern conservative Democrats. Clinton and Gore during that time, especially in the early 90s, were closer to being southern conservative Democrats than to being progressives (that’s where Clinton’s third way stuff came from).

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:50:23pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

re: #188 KGxvi

Okay. Got it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:50:44pm

I’d have to check but I think the closest was 1916 where Wilson lost NJ and Hughes did win NY but I think it was close. Technically 2000 since Gore lost TN and Bush lost CT but Bush has no political career in CT.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:51:18pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:52:55pm

re: #180 KGxvi

Have we ever had a presidential election with two nominees from different states who won each other’s home state?

1888–Cleveland won Indiana and Harrison won New York.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:53:37pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

So he took a principled stand against arson. I’m impressed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:53:37pm

re: #191 KGxvi

The 90s were the death rattle of the southern conservative Democrats. Clinton and Gore during that time, especially in the early 90s, were closer to being southern conservative Democrats than to being progressives (that’s where Clinton’s third way stuff came from).

Right. Moderate to liberal socially but conservative economically. Carter was similar but less hawkish.

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plansbandc  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:54:44pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I will volunteer for Beto.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:55:06pm

re: #195 Joe Bacon 🌹

1888–Cleveland won Indiana and Harrison won New York.

Ah! Good job. If I hadn’t been away from the pc, I would have gotten it. Close election too.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:55:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:55:19pm

re: #198 plansbandc

I will volunteer for Beto.

Me too.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:56:09pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I’d have to check but I think the closest was 1916 where Wilson lost NJ and Hughes did win NY but I think it was close. Technically 2000 since Gore lost TN and Bush lost CT but Bush has no political career in CT.

I think Bush was considered from Texas. Since that was his residency at the time. (I also remember, vaguely, someone on Fox or maybe Limbaugh, saying Gore won his home state of DC as some sort of joke/criticism)

Interestingly, Nixon in 1968 was considered a New Yorker rather than a Californian - but in every other national race he ran (‘52, ‘56, ‘60, and ‘72) he was considered a Californian.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:58:12pm

The South ironically despite being historically one of the poorest regions has with some exceptions I.e Huey Long and the Readjusters of the 1880’s not been a fertile ground for left wing populism. Unions never took up there. It’s why people like D’Sousa are being obtuse to just bring up the party label of Dixiecrats and act like they were liberals or even leftist.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:59:12pm

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

So he took a principled stand against arson. I’m impressed.

No - he was against prosecuting the anti-choice terrorist.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 1:59:42pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Right. Moderate to liberal socially but conservative economically. Carter was similar but less hawkish.

I think Clinton and Gore could even be described as conservative on social issues until the national stage - given where they stood on choice. Granted, that’s not uncommon, the linked story points out Reagan’s move in the other direction.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:00:02pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

[Matt Whitaker was asked to name a time when his personal beliefs clashed with his duties as a prosecutor.

He cited his office’s prosecution of an anti-abortion extremist who crashed his car into a women’s health clinic and tried to set it on fire.]

So his personal belief is that extremists should go right ahead and commit arson and attempt murder if they hold the belief that it will help to bring an embryo to term. Got it.

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sagehen  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:01:21pm

re: #180 KGxvi

Have we ever had a presidential election with two nominees from different states who won each other’s home state?

That sorta depends on how you define “home state”. Is it where you were born, where you spent high school or college, where you began your career? Trump did win Arkansas…

And in 2000; Bush won Tennessee, but Gore won Bush’s birthplace state of Connecticut.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:01:41pm

re: #202 KGxvi

I think Bush was considered from Texas. Since that was his residency at the time. (I also remember, vaguely, someone on Fox or maybe Limbaugh, saying Gore won his home state of DC as some sort of joke/criticism)

Interestingly, Nixon in 1968 was considered a New Yorker rather than a Californian - but in every other national race he ran (‘52, ‘56, ‘60, and ‘72) he was considered a Californian.

No, you’re right which is why I said if you want to get real pedantic about it heh. Anyhow Gore messed up on TN but he hadn’t ran there as himself in ten years. TN and Gore himself had changed. Gore was always pretty steady Eddie on the environmental issues but not a social liberal which IMO explains why the South has grown reliably Republican and the West coast equally Democratic. I disagree with the thesis people vote with their checkbooks. They vote with their value system.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:02:31pm

re: #198 plansbandc

I will volunteer for Beto.

i will volunteer for pizza

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:02:35pm

re: #205 KGxvi

I think Clinton and Gore could even be described as conservative on social issues until the national stage - given where they stood on choice. Granted, that’s not uncommon, the linked story points out Reagan’s move in the other direction.

Didn’t know that about Bill tbh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:03:49pm

re: #207 sagehen

That sorta depends on how you define “home state”. Is it where you were born, where you spent high school or college, where you began your career? Trump did win Arkansas…

And in 2000; Bush won Tennessee, but Gore won Bush’s birthplace state of Connecticut.

I’d say where you built up your political career which is why yeah it was embarrassing for Gore to lose TN but not Bush to lose CT.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:04:19pm

re: #85 lawhawk

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Does he even know what it takes to completely refit an assembly line for a different vehicle model?

Why am i even asking this? Of course he has no fucking clue.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:04:42pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

You’re accusing many, many people of being amoral disgusting people on tiny evidence, there.

It’s hard to be conscious in the 21st century without realizing there are many, many amoral and disgusting people all over the United States. For example, we’ll watch them elect a proven racist Senator in Mississippi.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:04:48pm

re: #209 dangerman

i will volunteer for pizza

You wanna be bread, sauce, or toppings?

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:06:29pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

The South ironically despite being historically one of the poorest regions has with some exceptions I.e Huey Long and the Readjusters of the 1880’s not been a fertile ground for left wing populism. Unions never took up there. It’s why people like D’Sousa are being obtuse to just bring up the party label of Dixiecrats and act like they were liberals or even leftist.

You have to consider the broader history of the region. Most all of it’s history has been defined by race. Unions and left wing populism would have served to benefit black people as well, and that on a deep seated level has always been a problem for many white folks in the South. There’s a reason why when Social Security first passed, the Dixiecrats insisted on the qualifying age being higher than the life expectancy of black people at the time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:06:30pm

Lincoln was born in Kentucky, also spent sometime in Indiana but he’s Illinois since that’s where he practiced law, was elected to Congress from, & ran against Stephen Douglas in 1858 for Senate. Wilson likewise born in Va but raised throughout the South due to his fathers job as a traveling minister is NJ since he was President of Princeton and NJ’s governor.

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sagehen  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:08:19pm

re: #215 KGxvi

You have to consider the broader history of the region. Most all of it’s history has been defined by race. Unions and left wing populism would have served to benefit black people as well, and that on a deep seated level has always been a problem for many white folks in the South. There’s a reason why when Social Security first passed, the Dixiecrats insisted on the qualifying age being higher than the life expectancy of black people at the time.

They also insisted that it specifically exclude agricultural and domestic workers, which is how 90% of black southerners earned their living.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:08:39pm

re: #215 KGxvi

You have to consider the broader history of the region. Most all of it’s history has been defined by race. Unions and left wing populism would have served to benefit black people as well, and that on a deep seated level has always been a problem for many white folks in the South. There’s a reason why when Social Security first passed, the Dixiecrats insisted on the qualifying age being higher than the life expectancy of black people at the time.

Oh I know. I actually have an old Stars and Stripes article where my grandfather a Pittsburgh native and nlrb man explains why unionism had to that point (mid 60’s) not taken off in the South. I think immigration plays a role too. The European immigrants brought the trade union ideas with them.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:09:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:09:22pm

re: #217 sagehen

They also insisted that it specifically exclude agricultural and domestic workers, which is how 90% of black southerners earned their living.

Which is why I’m not too fond of positively contrasting FDR with Obama or even LBJ.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:09:40pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know that about Bill tbh.

It makes sense when you consider his “safe, legal, and rare” stuff during the campaigns.

That said, Bill Clinton (or someone like him) was necessary to eventually get someone like Obama. It’s sort of the converse of conservatives needing someone like Nixon (who really wasn’t that conservative, at least for his time) in order to get to someone like Reagan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:11:55pm

re: #221 KGxvi

It makes sense when you consider his “safe, legal, and rare” stuff during the campaigns.

That said, Bill Clinton (or someone like him) was necessary to eventually get someone like Obama. It’s sort of the converse of conservatives needing someone like Nixon (who really wasn’t that conservative, at least for his time) in order to get to someone like Reagan.

Good analogy. I see Clinton and Nixon as interesting since Clinton is a lot more conservative than he sells himself as or how he’s perceived and Nixon likewise liberal though from what I read Nixon wasn’t interested in domestic policies at all and just finding a reasonable middle ground.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:14:42pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

So his personal belief is that extremists should go right ahead and commit arson and attempt murder if they hold the belief that it will help to bring an embryo to term. Got it.

He’ll do anything for an embryo short of accepting implantation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:15:12pm

My college history paper on Nixon written Obama’s first year I think was accurately titled the Last New Dealer. Nixon may have gotten elected opposing much of the New Deal and the New Dealers certainly didn’t see him as one of their own but I feel in practice he had more in common with them than Clinton, Carter, & Obama. Of course he had a Dem majority in Congress and Bill and Obama had Republican ones for good chunks of their terms.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:15:26pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Good analogy. I see Clinton and Nixon as interesting since Clinton is a lot more conservative than he sells himself as or how he’s perceived and Nixon likewise liberal though from what I read Nixon wasn’t interested in domestic policies at all and just finding a reasonable middle ground.

Nixon’s legacy, and so much of the last 45 years, goes very differently if CREEP doesn’t authorize the Watergate break in or if Nixon throws those involved under the bus as soon as he finds out about it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:16:54pm

re: #225 KGxvi

Nixon’s legacy, and so much of the last 45 years, goes very differently if CREEP doesn’t authorize the Watergate break in or if Nixon throws those involved under the bus as soon as he finds out about it.

Definitely and honestly as bad as that was, I still prefer Nixon to Reagan looking strictly at policy.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:17:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:18:30pm

I think most of Sanders’ appeal is from the left who wants a new FDR. I like FDR in many ways but many ways he’s my least favorite Dem
President not named Wilson of the last 100 years.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:18:59pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

No - he was against prosecuting the anti-choice terrorist.

But we’re supposed to break bread with these ****s. No fucking deal.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:19:20pm

Protester has strong sign game.

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:19:26pm

Another racist posts racists shit on Facebook and loses his job.

Florida Man.

ESPN - Man who created racist post of FSU coach Willie Taggart being lynched is fired

The man responsible for a racist social media post showing Willie Taggart getting lynched has been fired from his job at Hilton Grand Vacations, the company said in a statement Monday.

“Our concern regarding this situation has been a top priority,” Lauren George, a spokesperson for Hilton Grand Vacations, said of the unnamed employee. “The person responsible for posting this information has been terminated. His behavior was in violation of multiple company policies and the furthest example from being a reflection of our company’s values.”

The racist post was made in a Florida State fan group on Facebook on Saturday, shortly after the Seminoles lost to rival Florida 41-14 to finish a 5-7 season. It showed Taggart’s head edited onto an image of a man being lynched with the words “Believe in Something Even If It Means Sacrificing Your Rep,” alluding to the recent Nike ad campaign featuring Colin Kaepernick.

The meme went viral after the man posted it in the comments section on the fan group page. Florida State president John Thrasher condemned the post Sunday, calling it “ignorant and despicable.” The Florida State Attorney for the Second Judicial Circuit is investigating.

Taggart, the first black football head coach in Florida State history, was hired last December from Oregon. Florida State posted the school’s first losing season since 1976 and failed to qualify for a bowl game for the first time since 1981.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:19:51pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

My college history paper on Nixon written Obama’s first year I think was accurately titled the Last New Dealer. Nixon may have gotten elected opposing much of the New Deal and the New Dealers certainly didn’t see him as one of their own but I feel in practice he had more in common with them than Clinton, Carter, & Obama. Of course he had a Dem majority in Congress and Bill and Obama had Republican ones for good chunks of their terms.

Tweety’s book Kennedy & Nixon is a great read, if you haven’t read it already. The two of them were actually pretty good friends up until 1960 (or the Kennedys really were assholes and were using Nixon). There’s a bit about how Kennedy first ran for Congress as a “fighting conservative” and Nixon as a “practical liberal.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:20:15pm

I used to adore FDR fwiw but I’m more nuanced on him. Appreciate the New Deal but know groups were thrown under the bus to get southern votes and of course internment.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:21:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:22:25pm

re: #232 KGxvi

Tweety’s book Kennedy & Nixon is a great read, if you haven’t read it already. The two of them were actually pretty good friends up until 1960 (or the Kennedys really were assholes and were using Nixon). There’s a bit about how Kennedy first ran for Congress as a “fighting conservative” and Nixon as a “practical liberal.”

Cool. Yeah I knew they were friends early but didn’t know JFK ran as a conservative. Knew that Nixon didn’t really ever until much later run as a conservative. Even McCarthy record wise wasn’t super right wing. There were other senators in both parties more conservative.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:22:50pm

She can plead the 5th in 5 languages.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:22:59pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I used to adore FDR fwiw but I’m more nuanced on him. Appreciate the New Deal but know groups were thrown under the bus to get southern votes and of course internment.

It’s a lot like the Founders, if you judge them by modern standards, they’re at best hypocrites and at worse, very terrible people for the most part. If you judge them by the standards of their time, they’re less terrible. And as crazy as it seems, you can even say the same for Clinton, in a period within all of our lifetimes (history got really fast after the internet).

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Amory Blaine  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:25:00pm

Melanoma has to be the dumbest 1st lady to ever infest the White House.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:26:51pm

re: #227 gocart mozart

I recognize Trump. Who is he holding hands with?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:29:09pm

re: #237 KGxvi

It’s a lot like the Founders, if you judge them by modern standards, they’re at best hypocrites and at worse, very terrible people for the most part. If you judge them by the standards of their time, they’re less terrible. And as crazy as it seems, you can even say the same for Clinton, in a period within all of our lifetimes (history got really fast after the internet).

Yep Clinton signed DOMA after all. With FDR for me, it’s while I do appreciate things like war time leadership, the New Deal, and I do feel he got us out of the Depression, I do see his flaws more as I’ve read more. There’s a new biography out on his 1940 opponent, Wendell Wilkie who I think was a great man but wouldn’t have been able to do what FDR did in WWII. FWIW I think all four FDR’s opponents were quality guys. I don’t really have too much critical to say of Hoover(I do feel he messed up on the Depression in many ways but I don’t feel he was a bad guy, just someone who was out of touch with how to respond to a crisis like that), Landon(Very interesting guy who died only a year before I was born in 1986 and ended up championing a lot of the Great Society and whose daughter served with Bob Dole in the Senate), Wilkie (great guy especially on foreign issues, really pissed me off that Zell Miller tried to liken himself to him in his 2004 RNC keynote), and Dewey (Liked the 1948 version better but 1944 was still solid.) TBH I find more to like than dislike about most of the GOP candidates until Goldwater in 1964. I’m probably voting a straight Dem line from 1932-1964 for President but I’m not disappointed when Ike wins even though he did create the Nixon beast but Nixon in the late 40’s through early 60’s was a different guy than the guy who courted Strom Thurmond later.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:30:13pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

You wanna be bread, sauce, or toppings?

+1

honey, make me a martini
poof, you’re a martini

will you just call me a cab?
ok, you’re a cab

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:32:11pm

Now speaking of what would make interesting books at least for people like me, I’d like to see a biography of James Cox who was the poor guy who had to replace the very unpopular Wilson at the top of the ballot in 1920. He got beaten badly at the polls by Harding but he was a strong supporter of the League of Nations, believe he opposed prohibition(which yes is why my username is HappyWarrior in tribute to Al Smith but also HHH), and wasn’t as bigoted as Wilson was about PoC. Harding the more I look at him. I still see a bad President who deserves a lot of criticism but I like him more than i do Coolidge, by far my least favorite Republican President pre-WWII.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:33:16pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Trump says Brexit agreement may hamper U.S.-UK trade

but that’s good for us right?
we’d have no need to make stuff and sell it to outsiders
or any need to import stuff

we just make our own stuff and sell it to ourselves
isnt that the best kind of winning?

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:33:42pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Yep Clinton signed DOMA after all. With FDR for me, it’s while I do appreciate things like war time leadership, the New Deal, and I do feel he got us out of the Depression, I do see his flaws more as I’ve read more. There’s a new biography out on his 1940 opponent, Wendell Wilkie who I think was a great man but wouldn’t have been able to do what FDR did in WWII. FWIW I think all four FDR’s opponents were quality guys. I don’t really have too much critical to say of Hoover(I do feel he messed up on the Depression in many ways but I don’t feel he was a bad guy, just someone who was out of touch with how to respond to a crisis like that), Landon(Very interesting guy who died only a year before I was born in 1986 and ended up championing a lot of the Great Society and whose daughter served with Bob Dole in the Senate), Wilkie (great guy especially on foreign issues, really pissed me off that Zell Miller tried to liken himself to him in his 2004 RNC keynote), and Dewey (Liked the 1948 version better but 1944 was still solid.) TBH I find more to like than dislike about most of the GOP candidates until Goldwater in 1964. I’m probably voting a straight Dem line from 1932-1964 for President but I’m not disappointed when Ike wins even though he did create the Nixon beast but Nixon in the late 40’s through early 60’s was a different guy than the guy who courted Strom Thurmond later.

Even if Eisenhower doesn’t pick Nixon as his running mate, it’s entirely likely that Nixon runs for president at some point anyway. He was a Representative at 34, and a Senator by 37.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:34:42pm

It’s so difficult to look at the past though because inevitably you use your modern biases to judge men and women who were born years ago. As I’ve been telling people about the Civil War, I have zero illusions about my second grandfather. I doubt he was an abolitionist let alone a believer in equality of the races but even if he was, men like him were the exception for that era. Now consequently that is exactly why we should champion and remember men like Senator Sumner who was famously cained on the floor of Congress or Thaddeus Stevens who were well ahead of their day on many issues.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:35:53pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

My college history paper on Nixon written Obama’s first year I think was accurately titled the Last New Dealer. Nixon may have gotten elected opposing much of the New Deal and the New Dealers certainly didn’t see him as one of their own but I feel in practice he had more in common with them than Clinton, Carter, & Obama. Of course he had a Dem majority in Congress and Bill and Obama had Republican ones for good chunks of their terms.

and with that they came into it assuming they would get stuff done by working with the congress they had (and vice versa the president).

none of this im just gonna block everything for 2 years…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:37:04pm

re: #244 KGxvi

Even if Eisenhower doesn’t pick Nixon as his running mate, it’s entirely likely that Nixon runs for president at some point anyway. He was a Representative at 34, and a Senator by 37.

Definitely and I think he would have been a frontrunner since Ike I believe considered a Democrat as his running mate. Also worthy of note is that Nixon’s handpicked successor as Republican standard bearer was not Reagan or Ford but John Connally, former Democratic governor of Texas who was in the motorcade when JFK was killed and later his Treasury Secretary and who later did run in 1980 but struggled against Bush and Reagan. TBH it’s remarkable that HW Bush did as well as he did against Reagan given his political career while extensive was mostly low profile stuff like RNC chair, Ambassador to China, CIA Head, and a one term Congressman.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:37:41pm

re: #225 KGxvi

Nixon’s legacy, and so much of the last 45 years, goes very differently if CREEP doesn’t authorize the Watergate break in or if Nixon throws those involved under the bus as soon as he finds out about it.

this may be fine slicing

if CREEP doesnt feel the need

nixon was never gonna lose in 72
the whole thing was so unnecessary

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:39:26pm

re: #248 dangerman

this may be fine slicing

if CREEP doesnt feel the need

nixon was never gonna lose in 72
the whole thing was so unnecessary

I think that’s teh tragedy of it all. To use football, the Nixon re-election campaign was the Patriots in the Deflategate game. Though TBH a lot of the stuff that preceded Watergate definitely did lead to them getting McGovern. McGovern really came out of nowhere to be the nominee in ‘72 though he had some recon to getting the support of the former RFK delegates in the infamous 1968 DNC.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:39:42pm

re: #248 dangerman

this may be fine slicing

if CREEP doesnt feel the need

nixon was never gonna lose in 72
the whole thing was so unnecessary

That’s the one thing I’ve never understood either.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:40:55pm
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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:41:32pm

re: #231 ObserverArt

Another racist posts racists shit on Facebook and loses his job.

Florida Man.

ESPN - Man who created racist post of FSU coach Willie Taggart being lynched is fired

and yet Baraboo high school’s hands are tied

first amendment rights and all

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:41:46pm

The thing though is politicians change with the times too. Sometimes it’s flip flopping but sometimes people do change. Now sometimes it’s pure cynicism marking that transformation with how Romney went from when he ran against Teddy Kennedy in 1994 for the Senate trying to out-left him on LGBT rights to accusing the Obama administration of forcing SSM when Obama announced his personal support of SSM prior to Obergefell but people do change with the times. That said, I always found the old Southern Democrats who had voted for the party when it was at its most economically lefty claiming that Bill Clinton or Obama had made it too liberal for them.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:42:51pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Definitely and I think he would have been a frontrunner since Ike I believe considered a Democrat as his running mate. Also worthy of note is that Nixon’s handpicked successor as Republican standard bearer was not Reagan or Ford but John Connally, former Democratic governor of Texas who was in the motorcade when JFK was killed and later his Treasury Secretary and who later did run in 1980 but struggled against Bush and Reagan. TBH it’s remarkable that HW Bush did as well as he did against Reagan given his political career while extensive was mostly low profile stuff like RNC chair, Ambassador to China, CIA Head, and a one term Congressman.

GHW Bush was a remnant of an older Republican Party. The son of a Senator tied into the New England establishment. And at that point, the conservative movement had not yet fused with the Republican Party.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:44:46pm

re: #250 KGxvi

That’s the one thing I’ve never understood either.

I believe there are rumos that Larry O’Brien, DNC Chair had incriminating info on Nixon’s brother Don regarding something between Don and Howard Hughes. It definitely wasn’t necessary. Nixon’s rise and fall would have made a great Shakespeare play and TBH while I enjoyed Frost-Nixon and I hear Nixon in China is good too, the better Nixon story is literally his life story. Probably one of the most modest backgrounds and most tragic of any modern American President- lost two brothers to TB by the time he was 20 and his rise in national politics was amazing. He went from being a Freshman Congressman to VP in six years. Now Obama did it in four but in that era, I think ti was more incredible. But his fall was so ugly but then there’s the other story where he enjoyed something of a reputation reboot since nearly every President after him sought out his advice on FP.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:46:20pm

re: #250 KGxvi

That’s the one thing I’ve never understood either.

paranoia strikes deep?
you cant be too careful? (well clearly you can…)

i have no idea and i never really looked into it
i’d guess there’s an answer in someone’s biography somewhere

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:47:41pm

re: #254 KGxvi

GHW Bush was a remnant of an older Republican Party. The son of a Senator tied into the New England establishment. And at that point, the conservative movement had not yet fused with the Republican Party.

That’s right. I’m just surprised he was able to do as well as he did against Reagan who was coming off nearly ousting incumbent Ford in the primary in 1976. My dad’s father, the same NLRB grandfather was disturbed by the rise of Reaganism. Likewise, my mom’s father didn’t have much use for Ronnie either. I actually and I definitely see a lot of his flaws both as President and politician have a lot to like about H.W. Bush in some ways. I don’t think his judicial legacy is bad, I like the Clean Air Act and on the spectrum I love ADA, and I think he was solid on foreign policy too. Whether you agree with the fact that we showed a double standard or not with Iraq, I think it was the right thing to protect Kuwait’s sovereignty.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:48:55pm

re: #256 dangerman

paranoia strikes deep?
you cant be too careful? (well clearly you can…)

i have no idea and i never really looked into it
i’d guess there’s an answer in someone’s biography somewhere

I read a Nixon biography in the spring. Still no conclusions one way or the other. I don’t think we’ll ever know. The one thing we all agree on for the most part unless you’re Roger Stone with a Nixon tramp stamp is that he botched the handling of it.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:49:14pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

I believe there are rumos that Larry O’Brien, DNC Chair had incriminating info on Nixon’s brother Don regarding something between Don and Howard Hughes. It definitely wasn’t necessary. Nixon’s rise and fall would have made a great Shakespeare play and TBH while I enjoyed Frost-Nixon and I hear Nixon in China is good too, the better Nixon story is literally his life story. Probably one of the most modest backgrounds and most tragic of any modern American President- lost two brothers to TB by the time he was 20 and his rise in national politics was amazing. He went from being a Freshman Congressman to VP in six years. Now Obama did it in four but in that era, I think ti was more incredible. But his fall was so ugly but then there’s the other story where he enjoyed something of a reputation reboot since nearly every President after him sought out his advice on FP.

they knew where the institutional knowledge was

this current lot will shoot themselves in the foot before acknowledging that anyone who came before them knows anything at all

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:51:36pm

re: #259 dangerman

they knew where the institutional knowledge was

this current lot will shoot themselves in the foot before acknowledging that anyone who came before them knows anything at all

Yeah there’s a lot that can be said about Nixon, the man, the president, and diplomat but he knew FP and honestly he had a lot wisdom on it that man would have been better put to better use. As I said, I find Nixon tragic. He deserves the bulk of the criticism he gets for sure but i find Nixon tragic whereas I find other presidential failures as “Yeah you failed because you never bothered realizing how difficult a job you were getting yourself into.”

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:52:11pm

Video of some of the union people and House Rep Tim Ryan speaking about GM closing Lordstown Ohio plant.

GM LORDSTOWN PLANT CLOSING

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:53:25pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I read a Nixon biography in the spring. Still no conclusions one way or the other. I don’t think we’ll ever know. The one thing we all agree on for the most part unless you’re Roger Stone with a Nixon tramp stamp is that he botched the handling of it.

they really thought they could not only hide it but bury it while
- they didnt realize they were leaving a not too hard to follow trail of paper
- they hadnt quite figured out how to not answer questions/ not be helpful (and they werent good at lying / deception)
- there were too many people involved - eventually someone was gonna slip or outright crack
- no one expected there would be a mark felt

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 2:56:37pm

re: #262 dangerman

they really thought they could not only hide it but bury it while
- they didnt realize they were leaving a not too hard to follow trail of paper
- they hadnt quite figured out how to not answer questions/ not be helpful (and they werent good at lying / deception)
- there were too many people involved - eventually someone was gonna slip or outright crack
- no one expected there would be a mark felt

They probably would have gotten away with it were Hoover alive. I read that one of Felt’s motivations for going Deepthroat was he felt passed over for FBI director when Hoover died.

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:02:07pm

re: #262 dangerman

they really thought they could not only hide it but bury it while
- they didnt realize they were leaving a not too hard to follow trail of paper
- they hadnt quite figured out how to not answer questions/ not be helpful (and they werent good at lying / deception)
- there were too many people involved - eventually someone was gonna slip or outright crack
- no one expected there would be a mark felt

I am willing to consider there might be a Mark Felt type working in the shadows against Trump.

I go by the simple thinking there are always good people in every situation. It takes time for them to get a feel for what is going on, the danger if they talk and then they decide to surface, and once they do, we may never know about them until years later. Just like Mark Felt.

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MsJ  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:05:14pm

re: #230 jaunte

Two WEEKS? He was sentenced to two fucking weeks for lying to the FBI?

You have got to be kidding me!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:05:28pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:06:07pm

re: #265 MsJ

Two WEEKS? He was sentenced to two fucking weeks for lying to the FBI?

You have got to be kidding me!

Yep. A very light sentence for such a serious crime for which he pled guilty.

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dangerman  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:07:34pm

re: #264 ObserverArt

I am willing to consider there might be a Mark Felt type working in the shadows against Trump.

I go by the simple thinking there are always good people in every situation. It takes time for them to get a feel for what is going on, the danger if they talk and then they decide to surface, and once they do, we may never know about them until years later. Just like Mark Felt.

well, ‘deep throat’ is already taken
im open to new suggestions….

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:08:04pm

re: #251 gocart mozart

buzzfeed.com

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:08:14pm

re: #265 MsJ

Two WEEKS? He was sentenced to two fucking weeks for lying to the FBI?

You have got to be kidding me!

His possible maximum sentence was only 6 months. He must be a small bit player in the bigger picture, but he will fit into the story.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:11:17pm

re: #295 Alephnaught

re: #313 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Thanks to both of you for helping me!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:12:43pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:15:06pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

See Kyle!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:15:47pm

Never get tired of this one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:17:52pm

re: #274 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Never get tired of this one.

I don’t even understand why wingnuts think this is a “gotcha”. Who do they think has been taking care of migrants until now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:18:24pm

live, from Tupelo:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:18:40pm
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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:18:47pm

State AGs pushing back against Whitaker.

I wonder how many states will eventually sign on?

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:20:39pm

re: #256 dangerman

paranoia strikes deep?
you cant be too careful? (well clearly you can…)

i have no idea and i never really looked into it
i’d guess there’s an answer in someone’s biography somewhere

I’ve read a few books on Nixon, and the paranoia makes sense, at least with respect to Nixon. But I’m not entirely sure Nixon knew beforehand, which is what makes it so weird to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:20:46pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:21:18pm

re: #274 Charles Johnson

My Husband asked me that exact question. He asked why I haven’t allowed homeless people into our house. I had to explain to him that I pay taxes so that the government can take care of immigrants and homeless people. Sigh.

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:22:15pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t even understand why wingnuts think this is a “gotcha”. Who do they think has been taking care of migrants until now?

They think they have to take care of them by paying high taxes so the immigrants get all that free stuff.

No changing that in Trump’s base of tiny little brains. That is an oldie that is time tested.

Works for people already in this country too. Yep, conservative certified platinum.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:24:26pm

re: #265 MsJ

Two WEEKS? He was sentenced to two fucking weeks for lying to the FBI?

You have got to be kidding me!

Two weeks, 200 hours community service, $9,500 fine, and one year probation/supervised release.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:26:40pm

re: #283 KGxvi

Two weeks, 200 hours community service, $9,500 fine, and one year probation/supervised release.

He’ll blow that probation/supervised release his first day out

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CarolJ  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:27:19pm

re: #281 Patricia Kayden
I could talk about HIAS and other church groups who do just that, but government has more resources and trained people. Not only that, but these trained people can direct them to resources that help them get on their feet. Spend hours helping them with legal status issues, and counsel them in personal matters when needed without prejudice.
Random individuals mostly can give short-term help, can’t screen them to make sure they are safe, or take weeks off making sure they can get to where they need to go.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:27:36pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

live, from Tupelo:

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That House comment is pathetic even by Fuckface standards.

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whitebeach  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:29:01pm

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

PICTURES FROM MARS

I remember when the very first lander on Mars transmitted a picture. Dan Rather was the anchor at CBS then. His lede was I think the most succinct and best ever: “Good evening [picture appears]. Mars.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:33:56pm
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Jay C  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:35:02pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t even understand why wingnuts think this is a “gotcha”. Who do they think has been taking care of migrants until now?

I think a better answer to this nonsense would be something like:

“Me personally, none. Me as a participant in an urban economy where low-paid immigrants form a significant sector of the workforce? About [a million].”
[Adjust sum for one’s specific area]

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MsJ  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:35:48pm

re: #283 KGxvi

Two weeks, 200 hours community service, $9,500 fine, and one year probation/supervised release.

I find that enormously disappointing and frustrating.

All these fucking criminals get slaps on the wrist. If it was me, is be in prison for life.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:35:50pm
How many illegals are you housing feeding clothing and keeping from breaking the law? Your smart let’s have an honest answer .

When taking care of people is the worst fate imaginable.

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Scout  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:38:38pm

For those interested in history, here’s some fascinating stuff. From the Asahi Shimbun.

Ex-envoy to Nazi Germany: No excuses for my record of failure

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MsJ  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:41:16pm

I feel like an absolute asshole for laughing at this but laugh I did. Until I cried…while laughing.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:41:42pm

Quite a few news outlets called this race prematurely and really don’t want to go back and admit error.

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Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:42:18pm

re: #265 MsJ

Two WEEKS? He was sentenced to two fucking weeks for lying to the FBI?

You have got to be kidding me!

I thought Trump would have pardoned him by now.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:43:49pm

re: #293 MsJ

I feel like an absolute asshole for laughing at this but laugh I did. Until I cried…while laughing.

There is already not enough NOPE in the world to get me up there. If that happened? I’d probably pass out and fall off for real.

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MsJ  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:44:52pm

re: #295 Skip Intro

I thought Trump would have pardoned him by now.

If it doesn’t directly benefit trump, it’s stupid to expect him to do anything for anyone. Except the daughter he’d like to fuck.

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Scout  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:45:27pm

re: #293 MsJ

I guess I have a lousy sense of humor, but I find nothing funny about that in the slightest. Instead, it strikes me as sadistic.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:48:42pm
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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:49:38pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

That’s right. I’m just surprised he was able to do as well as he did against Reagan who was coming off nearly ousting incumbent Ford in the primary in 1976. My dad’s father, the same NLRB grandfather was disturbed by the rise of Reaganism. Likewise, my mom’s father didn’t have much use for Ronnie either. I actually and I definitely see a lot of his flaws both as President and politician have a lot to like about H.W. Bush in some ways. I don’t think his judicial legacy is bad, I like the Clean Air Act and on the spectrum I love ADA, and I think he was solid on foreign policy too. Whether you agree with the fact that we showed a double standard or not with Iraq, I think it was the right thing to protect Kuwait’s sovereignty.

I know this isn’t a popular position around here, but, I have always been fascinated by Reagan. I don’t think he was as conservative as he played, and in a lot of ways probably got captured a bit by the evangelical movement. But he was far from the doctrinaire that many of those who came after him were - he wasn’t afraid to raise taxes after cutting them, and I don’t think he was a pro-life true believer (otherwise he wouldn’t have appointed O’Connor or Kennedy). He clearly had his failings - racebaiting and being slow to act on AIDS/HIV being at the top of the list.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:54:05pm

re: #270 ObserverArt

His possible maximum sentence was only 6 months. He must be a small bit player in the bigger picture, but he will fit into the story.

His mouth started the investigation.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:57:07pm

re: #292 Scout

For those interested in history, here’s some fascinating stuff. From the Asahi Shimbun.

Ex-envoy to Nazi Germany: No excuses for my record of failure

Thanks so much. You probably know this one, but here’s an article about the man who has been called the “Japanese Schindler”:

haaretz.com

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 3:57:08pm

re: #300 KGxvi

I know this isn’t a popular position around here, but, I have always been fascinated by Reagan. I don’t think he was as conservative as he played, and in a lot of ways probably got captured a bit by the evangelical movement. But he was far from the doctrinaire that many of those who came after him were - he wasn’t afraid to raise taxes after cutting them, and I don’t think he was a pro-life true believer (otherwise he wouldn’t have appointed O’Connor or Kennedy). He clearly had his failings - racebaiting and being slow to act on AIDS/HIV being at the top of the list.

I see you are not listing a lot of Reagan positives.

And you are leaving out some big issues. Iran Contra and Father of Trickle Down Economics which has fucked this country up since the 1980s are some big things to live down. Ed Meese and his War on Porn. Starwars a big money drain on the economy that fed a lot of big conservative business mouths. And I’m not even thinking all that much about this…there is probably more.

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Interesting Times  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:00:34pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:01:27pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:01:36pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:02:50pm
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MsJ  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:02:50pm

re: #296 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There is already not enough NOPE in the world to get me up there. If that happened? I’d probably pass out and fall off for real.

I was thinking the same thing. I did go up on that thing jutting out of of the West rim at the Grand canyon. It’s disconcerting as it is. This works have freaked me out completely.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:03:22pm

Welp:

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:06:33pm

re: #309 Barefoot Grin

Welp:

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Which is what liars tend to do.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:07:51pm

re: #309 Barefoot Grin

Welp:

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As noted in the thread, he’s pretty much gambling on a pardon by this point. Or has been promised one if the cooperation ceases, which (if Mueller can prove it) would be the best proof of obstruction of justice he could get.

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Interesting Times  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:07:56pm

re: #309 Barefoot Grin

Welp:

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I’m so tired of her being right about everything going wrong :/

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MsJ  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:08:03pm

re: #298 Scout

I guess I have a lousy sense of humor, but I find nothing funny about that in the slightest. Instead, it strikes me as sadistic.

I agree 100% about it being sadistic. And they obviously picked all young people because I, as an old person, would have had a heart attack and died.

And I despise practical jokes.

But I still laughed at that. (Still am, actually.)

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Scout  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:09:03pm

re: #302 Barefoot Grin

Thanks so much. You probably know this one, but here’s an article about the man who has been called the “Japanese Schindler”:

haaretz.com

Yes I do. My hometown paper, The Japan Times, has run numerous stories about him over the years.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:13:55pm

OT: I just wrote out a check (I usually pay my bills over the internet) for another lousy looking picture ID card aka Driver’s License. Hmm. The last check I wrote was for my CPA.

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MsJ  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:15:13pm

re: #309 Barefoot Grin

Welp:

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They just cannot help themselves.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:15:39pm

re: #309 Barefoot Grin

“He has no way to verify what I’m saying.” - Manafort

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:17:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:17:58pm
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Jay C  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:18:04pm

re: #311 Targetpractice

As noted in the thread, he’s pretty much gambling on a pardon by this point. Or has been promised one if the cooperation ceases, which (if Mueller can prove it) would be the best proof of obstruction of justice he could get.

Would it? Legally, I mean. IANAL, but I have read a lot of analysis that has had to admit that the Presidential pardon power is fairly broad: and that barring some situation, say, documenting an illegal quid pro quo with notarized signatures (and even Trump isn’t that stupid), there’s not much that can be done about it.

Of course, Trump pardoning Manafort would be taken (outside of the deluded Deplorable “base”) pretty much as an admission of guilt, but I wonder how much that would count for in a court of law….?

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:19:23pm

re: #312 Interesting Times

I’m so tired of her being right about everything going wrong :/

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It will be fun when the House has him arrested for not talking to them.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:21:39pm

re: #320 Jay C

I love everyone here, but sometimes we forget that the politics is more important than the letter of the law.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:22:08pm
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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:22:15pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

In the face of reality, this is an increasingly difficult claim for Trump to make.

Is she new? Trump makes those kind of claims 5-6 times per day.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:24:03pm

re: #320 Jay C

Would it? Legally, I mean. IANAL, but I have read a lot of analysis that has had to admit that the Presidential pardon power is fairly broad: and that barring some situation, say, documenting an illegal quid pro quo with notarized signatures (and even Trump isn’t that stupid), there’s not much that can be done about it.

Of course, Trump pardoning Manafort would be taken (outside of the deluded Deplorable “base”) pretty much as an admission of guilt, but I wonder how much that would count for in a court of law….?

It would be an obstruction of justice (as well as witness tampering) on the part of Trump and/or his goons if one of them contacted Manafort with an offer of a pardon in exchange for refusal to cooperate fully with federal prosecutors. But that assumes that Mueller has evidence that such a quid pro quo was ever offered.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:24:14pm

re: #320 Jay C

Would it? Legally, I mean. IANAL, but I have read a lot of analysis that has had to admit that the Presidential pardon power is fairly broad: and that barring some situation, say, documenting an illegal quid pro quo with notarized signatures (and even Trump isn’t that stupid), there’s not much that can be done about it.

Of course, Trump pardoning Manafort would be taken (outside of the deluded Deplorable “base”) pretty much as an admission of guilt, but I wonder how much that would count for in a court of law….?

The check on the president’s pardon power is impeachment.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:26:06pm

re: #315 PhillyPretzel

OT: I just wrote out a check (I usually pay my bills over the internet) for another lousy looking picture ID card aka Driver’s License. Hmm. The last check I wrote was for my CPA.

That reminds me: When I get closer to done with all the account-closing stemming from the shop’s change of ownership, I need to go after my driver’s license again, and get it upgraded to a Real ID. Right now, it won’t get me on a commercial flight or into some restricted sites. I renewed my passport for that purpose. My old NM driver’s license was not an acceptable from of ID to get a new NM driver’s license, if I wanted the one without the yellow stripe across the top saying ‘NOT FOR FEDERAL PURPOSES’.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:26:42pm

re: #300 KGxvi

I know this isn’t a popular position around here, but, I have always been fascinated by Reagan. I don’t think he was as conservative as he played, and in a lot of ways probably got captured a bit by the evangelical movement. But he was far from the doctrinaire that many of those who came after him were - he wasn’t afraid to raise taxes after cutting them, and I don’t think he was a pro-life true believer (otherwise he wouldn’t have appointed O’Connor or Kennedy). He clearly had his failings - racebaiting and being slow to act on AIDS/HIV being at the top of the list.

I kind of agree with you regarding Reagan. My problems with Reagan are the deifying and ignoring the stuff you mentioned as legitimate criticism and I really think he’s why the GOP went in the wrong direction.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:30:03pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

That reminds me: When I get closer to done with all the account-closing stemming from the shop’s change of ownership, I need to go after my driver’s license again, and get it upgraded to a Real ID. Right now, it won’t get me on a commercial flight or into some restricted sites. I renewed my passport for that purpose. My old NM driver’s license was not an acceptable from of ID to get a new NM driver’s license, if I wanted the one without the yellow stripe across the top saying ‘NOT FOR FEDERAL PURPOSES’.

My mom went through that mess with the CA DMV. They wouldn’t use her old (still valid) California drivers’ license for proof of ID. And she couldn’t use her W-2 because they said it was a photocopy and not the original (which seems incredibly stupid since it’s not like most employers send out the old carbon copy versions). After 45 minutes of going around with them, she said “fuck it” because she already has TSA pre-check so she doesn’t need the Real ID for flying.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:30:55pm

re: #303 ObserverArt

I see you are not listing a lot of Reagan positives.

And you are leaving out some big issues. Iran Contra and Father of Trickle Down Economics which has fucked this country up since the 1980s are some big things to live down. Ed Meese and his War on Porn. Starwars a big money drain on the economy that fed a lot of big conservative business mouths. And I’m not even thinking all that much about this…there is probably more.

Right. I think Iran Contra needs more scrutiny and his shift from the executive branch that tried to be even handed between labor and management to one that explicitly favored management. As a descendant of union men and a nlrb lifer, I can’t forgive that especially as wealth disparities began their rise in his presidency. He is fascinating I agree tho. I feel we need to have a new generation of historians evaluate him imo.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:31:53pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:32:51pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:33:52pm

re: #332 Patricia Kayden

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No Fairytale of Mar al Lago?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:35:00pm

re: #303 ObserverArt

I see you are not listing a lot of Reagan positives.

And you are leaving out some big issues. Iran Contra and Father of Trickle Down Economics which has fucked this country up since the 1980s are some big things to live down. Ed Meese and his War on Porn. Starwars a big money drain on the economy that fed a lot of big conservative business mouths. And I’m not even thinking all that much about this…there is probably more.

I swear to god I read that as “Tickle Down”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:36:39pm

The problem with Reagan is the image of the kindly grandfather who ended communism. I will grant real Reagan was better and more practical than the conservative myth but I dislike more about the man than I like. I try to understand people in the context of their times and I guess that’s why I have a hard time overlooking the race baiting and piss poor response to aids. I also find him patronizing especially to his opposition.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:36:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:37:30pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

I swear to god I read that as “Tickle Down”.

Great now, I’m imaging Elmo with charts explaining why we need to tickle him to stimulate the economy.

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:37:40pm

re: #331 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Sounds like Kellyanne Conway is on the defense team.

“There are alternative facts in this trial if you want to decide which to believe, but we think it means there is clearly reasonable doubt Mr. Manafort was involved.”

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:38:36pm

re: #329 KGxvi

My mom went through that mess with the CA DMV. They wouldn’t use her old (still valid) California drivers’ license for proof of ID. And she couldn’t use her W-2 because they said it was a photocopy and not the original (which seems incredibly stupid since it’s not like most employers send out the old carbon copy versions). After 45 minutes of going around with them, she said “fuck it” because she already has TSA pre-check so she doesn’t need the Real ID for flying.

I’m going through it because my birth certificate does not match my everything else. When I got my first license to drive in California (wasn’t easy, lemme tell ya. Flunked the behind-the-wheel part twice.), it was enough for them when I signed a statement swearing that I had no intent to defraud anyone by keeping the ‘ie’ on my name as a permanent feature. Not sufficient for New Mexico. Their bureaucratic needs come from many long histories, some of whose records go back to oral traditions.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:41:05pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

The problem with Reagan is the image of the kindly grandfather who ended communism. I will grant real Reagan was better and more practical than the conservative myth but I dislike more about the man than I like. I try to understand people in the context of their times and I guess that’s why I have a hard time overlooking the race baiting and piss poor response to aids. I also find him patronizing especially to his opposition.

Reagan was what you get when you elect a movie star President.

Trump is what you get when you elect a Reality TV star.

In “Back To The Future”, 1955 Doc Brown sees the idea of Reagan as President as ludicrous. Imagine what 1985 Doc Brown would think of Trump as President.

Also, where’s my flying car? I wanted 3-D traffic jams and stalled flying cars plummeting to the ground by now, dammit!
/////

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Brian J.  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:42:50pm

From California… Kern County has dropped its (last?) clutch of votes for the 21st Congressional District.

TJ Cox (D) gains 1,384 votes, and David Valadao (R) gains 499 votes, for a net gain of 885 votes for Cox.

Cox now has 55,650 votes, Valadao 55,212. Gain #40.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:43:07pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Great now, I’m imaging Elmo with charts explaining why we need to tickle him to stimulate the economy.

To be fair, the year that “Tickle Me Elmo” was THE toy for Christmas, he did stimulate the economy a bit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:44:34pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:45:02pm

re: #338 ObserverArt

Sounds like Kellyanne Conway is on the defense team.

“There are alternative facts in this trial if you want to decide which to believe, but we think it means there is clearly reasonable doubt Mr. Manafort was involved.”

And tomorrow George Conway will indirectly tear his wife up in a tweet. I have no idea about how some marriages work. God bless them.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:45:45pm

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

Reagan was what you get when you elect a movie star President.

Trump is what you get when you elect a Reality TV star.

In “Back To The Future”, 1955 Doc Brown sees the idea of Reagan as President as ludicrous. Imagine what 1985 Doc Brown would think of Trump as President.

Also, where’s my flying car? I wanted 3-D traffic jams and stalled flying cars plummeting to the ground by now, dammit!
/////

According to one theory I read in a fiction book, Reagan is what we got when his opponent for Governor, the incumbent, didn’t take him seriously as a threat. That former governor was Edmund G. Brown, Sr.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:46:58pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

That reminds me: When I get closer to done with all the account-closing stemming from the shop’s change of ownership, I need to go after my driver’s license again, and get it upgraded to a Real ID. Right now, it won’t get me on a commercial flight or into some restricted sites. I renewed my passport for that purpose. My old NM driver’s license was not an acceptable from of ID to get a new NM driver’s license, if I wanted the one without the yellow stripe across the top saying ‘NOT FOR FEDERAL PURPOSES’.

I got mine changed to a Real ID when I went in to have the corrective lenses restriction taken off my license.

re: #329 KGxvi

My mom went through that mess with the CA DMV. They wouldn’t use her old (still valid) California drivers’ license for proof of ID. And she couldn’t use her W-2 because they said it was a photocopy and not the original (which seems incredibly stupid since it’s not like most employers send out the old carbon copy versions). After 45 minutes of going around with them, she said “fuck it” because she already has TSA pre-check so she doesn’t need the Real ID for flying.

When I got mine done they wanted my SS card, my birth certificate and my vehicle registration. A lot of women get hung up because they’re more prone to change their last names when they get married, and if so need to show certified documents testifying to the official name change.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:48:18pm

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

Reagan was what you get when you elect a movie star President.

Trump is what you get when you elect a Reality TV star.

In “Back To The Future”, 1955 Doc Brown sees the idea of Reagan as President as ludicrous. Imagine what 1985 Doc Brown would think of Trump as President.

Also, where’s my flying car? I wanted 3-D traffic jams and stalled flying cars plummeting to the ground by now, dammit!
/////

Ha! Anyhow. Thing about Reagan that he’s not hit nearly hard enough for by the historians IMO is the ethics. Was changing the channel and there’s something on Showtime about the Reagan administration and Iran Contra and the shredding of documents and the perjury. I have never forgotten about how Oliver North was made into a hero over that crap. He disgraced the uniform yet he got nominated for the Senate, got his own show on FNC, and now is a top gun (pun intended) at the NRA. He’s a disgrace but because he protected Reagan, he’s a hero to the right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:49:41pm

re: #345 wrenchwench

According to one theory I read in a fiction book, Reagan is what we got when his opponent for Governor, the incumbent, didn’t take him seriously as a threat. That former governor was Edmund G. Brown, Sr.

1966 was a very Republican year but I have read that too. I think Brown got too comfy and cocky after beating Nixon in 1962 which wasn’t a bad year for a midterm for Democrats since JFK got props for the Cuban Missile Crisis. In fact, I think Nixon was convinced that he lost to Brown because of that.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:50:13pm

I recommend all coastal residents stat taking swimming lessons

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:51:25pm

re: #346 goddamnedfrank

I got mine changed to a Real ID when I went in to have the corrective lenses restriction taken off my license.

When I got mine done they wanted my SS card, my birth certificate and my vehicle registration. A lot of women get hung up because they’re more prone to change their last names when they get married, and if so need to show certified documents testifying to the official name change.

Yeah, she had lost her SS card and never got a replacement. I’m also not sure if she has her naturalization papers, since she was young enough at the time that she was automatically naturalized when her parents were naturalized.

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:51:29pm

This Manafort deal is getting real interesting.

Seems to me he really has nothing to fear from Trump in any way that would make him want to trade his freedom for protecting Trump.

He is afraid of others outside the Trump family. That pretty much leaves Paul’s other connections in far off lands.

He’s fucked.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:52:02pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:52:15pm

re: #348 HappyWarrior

1966 was a very Republican year but I have read that too. I think Brown got too comfy and cocky after beating Nixon in 1962 which wasn’t a bad year for a midterm for Democrats since JFK got props for the Cuban Missile Crisis. In fact, I think Nixon was convinced that he lost to Brown because of that.

In the 1966 California GOP Primary, San Francisco Mayor George Christopher was leading Reagan by a comfortable margin until Jack Anderson printed allegations that Christopher was getting kickbacks from several lobbies. That torpedoed his campaign and Reagan got the GOP nomination.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:53:39pm

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:54:08pm

re: #344 Barefoot Grin

And tomorrow George Conway will indirectly tear his wife up in a tweet. I have no idea about how some marriages work. God bless them.

Oh, I hope you didn’t take that seriously. I was just joking. She really didn’t say that. That was me making it up as if she was a lawyer for Manafort.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:54:22pm

re: #353 Joe Bacon 🌹

In the 1966 California GOP Primary, San Francisco Mayor George Christopher was leading Reagan by a comfortable margin until Jack Anderson printed allegations that Christopher was getting kickbacks from several lobbies. That torpedoed his campaign and Reagan got the GOP nomination.

i didn’t know that. Thanks. That’s another interesting what if and man the idea of a San Francisco GOP mayor, wow. I like looking at changes in states/counties over time and the interesting thing for me is seeing the Bay Area exempting Alameda County wehre Oakland is being pretty Republican friendly to a permanent Democratic stronghold and the more inland parts going from being among the strongest Democraic areas to equally strong Republican ones. As I’ve told you, my mom’s parents come from Cambria County which went overwhelmingly for both Mondale and Trump.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:54:58pm

re: #348 HappyWarrior

1966 was a very Republican year but I have read that too. I think Brown got too comfy and cocky after beating Nixon in 1962 which wasn’t a bad year for a midterm for Democrats since JFK got props for the Cuban Missile Crisis. In fact, I think Nixon was convinced that he lost to Brown because of that.

Pat Brown’s popularity was waning by 1966. He only got 52% in the Democratic primary that year. There were the Watts Riots and the early Vietnam protests at Berkeley. He had also promised not to seek a third term and then went back on that. Plus, at the time California still leaned Republican statewide at the time.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:55:59pm

re: #357 KGxvi

Pat Brown’s popularity was waning by 1966. He only got 52% in the Democratic primary that year. There were the Watts Riots and the early Vietnam protests at Berkeley. He had also promised not to seek a third term and then went back on that. Plus, at the time California still leaned Republican statewide at the time.

Los Angeles Mayor Sam Yorty almost defeated Pat Brown in the 1966 Democratic primary.

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:56:20pm

re: #353 Joe Bacon 🌹

In the 1966 California GOP Primary, San Francisco Mayor George Christopher was leading Reagan by a comfortable margin until Jack Anderson printed allegations that Christopher was getting kickbacks from several lobbies. That torpedoed his campaign and Reagan got the GOP nomination.

Another Joe Bacon Quick History Lesson.

Thanks Joe, often you are the reminder.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:56:43pm

re: #357 KGxvi

Pat Brown’s popularity was waning by 1966. He only got 52% in the Democratic primary that year. There were the Watts Riots and the early Vietnam protests at Berkeley. He had also promised not to seek a third term and then went back on that. Plus, at the time California still leaned Republican statewide at the time.

Yeah that makes sense. I didn’t know he barely survived the Dem primary. And you’re right California was still definitely fertile ground for the GOP at that time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:57:06pm

re: #359 ObserverArt

Another Joe Bacon Quick History Lesson.

Thanks Joe, often you are the reminder.

The history discussion is really good here isn’t it?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:57:48pm

re: #358 Joe Bacon 🌹

Los Angeles Mayor Sam Yorty almost defeated Pat Brown in the 1966 Democratic primary.

Yeah and I read Yorty later became a Republican so he would have been running to Pat’s right.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:58:18pm

re: #359 ObserverArt

Another Joe Bacon Quick History Lesson.

Thanks Joe, often you are the reminder.

Remember Grandpa Bacon calling us Election Night 1962 around 4 AM our time. He was ecstatic that Pat Brown sunk Nixon.

Grandpa was a strong Pat Brown backer and he worked his butt off to stop Yorty in the 1966 primary.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:59:14pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Yeah and I read Yorty later became a Republican so he would have been running to Pat’s right.

It was ironic because Yorty got his start with Upton Sinclair’s E.P.I.C. governor campaign in 1934.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 26, 2018 • 4:59:33pm

Russia threatens war.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:00:15pm

re: #358 Joe Bacon 🌹

Los Angeles Mayor Sam Yorty almost defeated Pat Brown in the 1966 Democratic primary.

He couldn’t even say ‘Los Angeles’.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:00:42pm

Re: Reagan, although it’s a nice line, I never bought his “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party it left me” line. Reagan was born in 1911. The Democratic Party he came of age in and indeed supported as a young actor was very much the New Deal Party. I don’t want to suggest that embracing civil rights was the reason why Reagan felt uncomfortable with the direction of the Democratic party after FDR’s death in 1945 but it is interesting to me that he had no problem with the Dems and the New Deal but started drifting right when the Dems started advocating civil rights. I dunno. I don’t see Reagan as being like Wallace or Thurmond but I do think he’s more like them than he isn’t on race and I guess that’s another huge strike against him for me.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:01:30pm

re: #268 dangerman

well, ‘deep throat’ is already taken
im open to new suggestions….

Will we get a new porn movie with the same name that wins?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:02:15pm

YESSSSSSS MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:03:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:03:56pm

re: #364 Joe Bacon 🌹

It was ironic because Yorty got his start with Upton Sinclair’s E.P.I.C. governor campaign in 1934.

Didn’t know that either! I do remember reading that Henry Wallace who famously challenged Truman from the left in ‘48 drifted right and later supported Ike’s re-election and later Nixon. I do give Wallace credit for admitting he was wrong about the Soviets. I have heard that my Pap-Pap, my Nana’s father hated Truman but my Dad’s cousin never explained whether it was for lefty or righty reasons. His family seems to be pretty liberal like ours is but I don’t know which way Nana’s other two sisters and her brother the priest leaned, though I have heard her brother was pretty liberal for his time not just racially but on theology too- he told his sister’s mother in law that she shouldn’t feel worried about attending a wedding in a Protestant church. No big deal to us now but you know how it was for Catholics and Protestants brought up in the 19th century.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:04:54pm

re: #369 goddamnedfrank

YESSSSSSS MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!

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40 is a good round number. Now let’s gain some more in 2020 and take back the Senate and WH.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:06:10pm

Hulu is running a giant subscription campaign (99 cents) and I thought I would take advantage of it … but like many others:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:06:37pm

re: #369 goddamnedfrank

YESSSSSSS MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!

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He slipped behind again with the latest posting from the California Secretary Of State’s return page:

vote.sos.ca.gov

TJ Cox
(Party Preference: DEM)
54,266
49.8%
* David G. Valadao
(Party Preference: REP)
54,713
50.2%

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:06:57pm

I believe it’s time for James Carville, who dejectedly declared that there was no Blue Wave, to retire. Most of the pundits who spent their careers dealing solely with Election Day voting are increasingly all at sea in the new era of early voting, large numbers of absentee ballots, and vote-by-mail.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:07:29pm

washingtonpost.com
Jose Andres got a Nobel Prize nomination! As I’m fond of saying, he’s a great chef but man he’s an even greater guy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:08:47pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know that either! I do remember reading that Henry Wallace who famously challenged Truman from the left in ‘48 drifted right and later supported Ike’s re-election and later Nixon. I do give Wallace credit for admitting he was wrong about the Soviets. I have heard that my Pap-Pap, my Nana’s father hated Truman but my Dad’s cousin never explained whether it was for lefty or righty reasons. His family seems to be pretty liberal like ours is but I don’t know which way Nana’s other two sisters and her brother the priest leaned, though I have heard her brother was pretty liberal for his time not just racially but on theology too- he told his sister’s mother in law that she shouldn’t feel worried about attending a wedding in a Protestant church. No big deal to us now but you know how it was for Catholics and Protestants brought up in the 19th century.

Henry Wallace edited The New Republic in the 50s. At that time TNR was to the left of The Nation. Wallace continually blasted McCarthy and that’s why he drifted to backing Ike in 1956.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:08:49pm

re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White

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I believe it’s time for James Carville, who dejectedly declared that there was no Blue Wave, to retire. Most of the pundits who spent their careers dealing solely with Election Day voting are increasingly all at sea in the new era of early voting, large numbers of absentee ballots, and vote-by-mail.

It would have been even bigger without the Gerrymandering. Don’t know why Carville was so down on it but while I like Carville and think he was a great strategist, he’s from a different era. It’s no longer it’s the economy, stupid.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:09:51pm

re: #374 Joe Bacon 🌹

He slipped behind again with the latest posting from the California Secretary Of State’s return page:

vote.sos.ca.gov

TJ Cox
(Party Preference: DEM)
54,266
49.8%
* David G. Valadao
(Party Preference: REP)
54,713
50.2%

That page was last updated at 2:41pm. I’m pretty sure TJ’s numbers are correct and the CA SOS hasn’t yet refreshed their tally from the various county recorders.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:11:06pm

re: #377 Joe Bacon 🌹

Henry Wallace edited The New Republic in the 50s. At that time TNR was to the left of The Nation. Wallace continually blasted McCarthy and that’s why he drifted to backing Ike in 1956.

Aha! I didn’t know that there was a time when TNR was to left of TN. Why did his dislike of Tailgunner Joe lead him to back Ike though? I mean I know Ike was no McCarthy ally but he certainly wasn’t an active critic like Adlai Stevenson was. But getting to McCarthy, you bring to me to another conservative, William F. Buckley and NRO and why I refuse to take them seriously or paid credence to the idea of WFB as a man of reason, WFB started as a McCarthy apologist.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:11:39pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:12:10pm

Hmmm. I haven’t been paying attention. I look out and there is snow collecting a bit on cold surfaces, even a bit on the grass. Not much predicted for here in central Ohio…but still…a reminder of the time of year.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:12:17pm

re: #379 goddamnedfrank

That page was last updated at 2:41pm. I’m pretty sure TJ’s numbers are correct and the CA SOS hasn’t yet refreshed their tally from the various county recorders.

P.S. I already had the SOS page open and have been constantly reloading it so the second it updates I can dunk on the New York Times and Associated Press who have both already called the race for Valadao.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:14:10pm

re: #381 teleskiguy

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I have no problem with it being a landmark as long as it’s mentioned in large letters that a traitor lived there who got away with it. I have a lot I admire about Abraham Lincoln but I think the Radical Republicans had the right idea of a harsh reconstruction for the South. I don’t know if the leaders of the CSA should have been hanged or not- I’m passionately anti death penalty but I do believe they should have been punished more severely for bringing about and enduring the most bloody conflict on our soil.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:14:55pm

Note the timestamp on the image. This is the most up to date tally.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:15:25pm

re: #383 goddamnedfrank

P.S. I already had the SOS page open and have been constantly reloading it so the second it updates I can dunk on the New York Times and Associated Press who have both already called the race for Valadao.

I still liked Charlie Kirk’s fail with “the first Asian-American woman elected” who wasn’t the first Asian-American woman and then wasn’t even elected the most but there’s no rule against dunking more than once in a game.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:16:31pm

So Kern County. This is Bakersfield area? IIRC an area that probably doesn’t elect Dems that often. Don’t know California that well but I imagine the changing demographics helped T.J. here. Anyhow props Cali.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:18:22pm

re: #308 MsJ

I was thinking the same thing. I did go up on that thing jutting out of of the West rim at the Grand canyon. It’s disconcerting as it is. This works have freaked me out completely.

Been there. Was very cool. Work mate I was there with wouldn’t set foot on it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:18:35pm

re: #378 HappyWarrior

It would have been even bigger without the Gerrymandering. Don’t know why Carville was so down on it but while I like Carville and think he was a great strategist, he’s from a different era. It’s no longer it’s the economy, stupid.

I think his method of calculating votes hadn’t adjusted to how people vote now. The easy-to-count votes, in the first places to post results didn’t look good. I blame Florida, actually. The polls looked better for Gillum than for Nelson, and looked good for both, but both ended up losing narrowly. Florida was the first to report on Election night, and boy, did it feel like a replay of 2016, with people saying “The Democrats just aren’t getting all they need here”.

Honestly, I started having a PTSD replay of 2016. But it got better. And it keeps getting better.

And if Cindy Hyde Smith has managed to torpedo her chances in what should have been a walk for her, that will be the icing on the cake - 40 seats in the House, and holding the GOP to 1 seat with the most brutal map of my lifetime? That’d be spectacular.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:20:22pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:20:32pm

re: #390 Blind Frog Belly White

I think his method of calculating votes hadn’t adjusted to how people vote now. The easy-to-count votes, in the first places to post results didn’t look good. I blame Florida, actually. The polls looked better for Gillum than for Nelson, and looked good for both, but both ended up losing narrowly. Florida was the first to report on Election night, and boy, did it feel like a replay of 2016, with people saying “The Democrats just aren’t getting all they need here”.

Honestly, I started having a PTSD replay of 2016. But it got better. And it keeps getting better.

And if Cindy Hyde Smith has managed to torpedo her chances in what should have been a walk for her, that will be the icing on the cake - 40 seats in the House, and holding the GOP to 1 seat with the most brutal map of my lifetime? That’d be spectacular.

Yeah it was looking a little disappointing with Florida and Ohio but we did make gains. And yeah that the MS run off could be close is music to my ears.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:22:27pm

Finally got the Hulu offer… it’s not bad but there are commercials (though fewer than broadcast.)

99 cents is hard to turn down.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:23:15pm

re: #209 dangerman

i will volunteer for pizza

I will volunteer for Beto while eating Pizza.

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Dizzy  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:24:44pm

re: #384 gocart mozart

Tortelvis!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:25:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:28:08pm

So California’s coast is pretty much all Democratic. Thus proving my theory that living by the sea makes you more smart :). I kid since my favorite part of Maryland is bright red.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:29:42pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:30:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:32:11pm

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

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I don’t know why they couldn’t have just waited. Cox-Valadao was tight.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:32:36pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:34:39pm

But remember folks, there was no blue wave because races weren’t called fast enough on Election Night to satisfy the talking heads on the major networks.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:34:40pm

re: #386 goddamnedfrank

Note the timestamp on the image. This is the most up to date tally.

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Weeks ago, a site I was following said that the race was too close to call and then, once the Democrat was only .4% behind, asserted that the Democrat was now favored to win. So even though there were thousands of votes to be counted, no one was persuaded to change their calls for the Republican.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:36:00pm

I envy that Mars rover. It’s one of the few manmade things that’s completely safe from Donald Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:36:18pm

Frank and other Californians though, one of my friends in California pointed something interesting out about this win, apparently Cox considered running in CA-10 there were too many running there so they instead persuaded him to run in CA-21 where no one was and the Dems ended up taking back both. Big pat on the back to Ben Ray Lujan- had to look him up and the DCCC for doing a great job recruiting candidates and supporting them. Definitely hope he’s part of leadership in the future. He’s pretty young, Hispanic, and from a part of the country we’re growing in and I know Pelosi knows to thank people so I’m sure she’s already on that.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:37:08pm

re: #404 Eclectic Cyborg

I envy that Mars rover. It’s one of the few manmade things that’s completely safe from Donald Trump.

Shhhhh….he’ll take that as a challenge.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:37:10pm

re: #402 Targetpractice

But remember folks, there was no blue wave because races weren’t called fast enough on Election Night to satisfy the talking heads on the major networks.

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I still remember that FNC jerk claiming that they were taking the time “took” all the fun out of election night. Yeah Democracy takes time. Imagine that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:39:13pm

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Yeah it was looking a little disappointing with Florida and Ohio but we did make gains. And yeah that the MS run off could be close is music to my ears.

The plant-closing news from GM this week, along with the hugely increased deficit which drives up interest rates, the Kashogghi murder, Russia attacking Ukraine again, and NK’s continued nuclear missile development program - all this has the feeling of turning a corner.

I kinda feel like we’re starting to see the wheels come off, with the flashy “accomplishments” all turning out to be illusory, because they were always stupid, but maybe not so obviously. Take North Korea, for example. CLEARLY, KJU played Trump like Isaac Stern played the violin, but to those not paying attention, it LOOKED like ‘Peace In Our Time’. Now the CIA assesses NK has ben developing their capabilities right along, and it’s becoming obvious to all but his idiot base that this is what happened.

Or the tax cut - it was NEVER going to do much, certainly not raise wages, but it made a splash, and allowed Trump to post a couple good quarters of GDP numbers from the ‘sugar high’. Now that’s faded, and the all-too-real deficit increase is facing us.

Trump is all about flash, appearance, and instant gratification. He’s about making a big impression and getting people to put in money. Then he takes his cut and moves on to the next thing. Later on, you find that he didn’t pay contractors, and screwed investors, and that THREE casinos in Atlantic City was a stupid idea.

He’s been doing the Presidency the same way - make grand gestures, make headlines, get praise. The problem is, there’s not a next project for him to move on to. Now his failures will start mounting. The economy will slow down, possibly even go into recession. That will drive the deficit even higher. GM’s plant closings will be followed by more and more as Trump’s trade war starts taking its toll. NK will keep building nukes and using the legitimacy Trump gave them, join the Community Of Nations as a nuclear power. Russia will keep picking at NATO. And Trump has already done what he knows how to do - hold a summit, sign a piece of paper, declare victory, and go home.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:40:42pm

re: #398 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Zarkon SINGS!!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:40:47pm

re: #408 Blind Frog Belly White

The plant-closing news from GM this week, along with the hugely increased deficit which drives up interest rates, the Kashogghi murder, Russia attacking Ukraine again, and NK’s continued nuclear missile development program - all this has the feeling of turning a corner.

I kinda feel like we’re starting to see the wheels come off, with the flashy “accomplishments” all turning out to be illusory, because they were always stupid, but maybe not so obviously. Take North Korea, for example. CLEARLY, KJU played Trump like Isaac Stern played the violin, but to those not paying attention, it LOOKED like ‘Peace In Our Time’. Now the CIA assesses NK has ben developing their capabilities right along, and it’s becoming obvious to all but his idiot base that this is what happened.

Or the tax cut - it was NEVER going to do much, certainly not raise wages, but it made a splash, and allowed Trump to post a couple good quarters of GDP numbers from the ‘sugar high’. Now that’s faded, and the all-too-real deficit increase is facing us.

Trump is all about flash, appearance, and instant gratification. He’s about making a big impression and getting people to put in money. Then he takes his cut and moves on to the next thing. Later on, you find that he didn’t pay contractors, and screwed investors, and that THREE casinos in Atlantic City was a stupid idea.

He’s been doing the Presidency the same way - make grand gestures, make headlines, get praise. The problem is, there’s not a next project for him to move on to. Now his failures will start mounting. The economy will slow down, possibly even go into recession. That will drive the deficit even higher. GM’s plant closings will be followed by more and more as Trump’s trade war starts taking its toll. NK will keep building nukes and using the legitimacy Trump gave them, join the Community Of Nations as a nuclear power. Russia will keep picking at NATO. And Trump has already done what he knows how to do - hold a summit, sign a piece of paper, declare victory, and go home.

I do wonder if the economy starts to go south a little- I hope not but a realistic possibility given his policies, could we see the makings of a landslide? I think it’s vital not only to defeat Trump but fix his policies in a way that will prevent a future Trump type from taking over.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:44:46pm

Xochitl Torres Small

This is my congresswoman, as soon as she’s sworn in. Her opponent had the absentee ballots from the winner’s county impounded, because Ms. Loser had gone to bed thinking she was Ms. Winner, before those 8,000+ ballots had been counted. She woke up as a loser, and felt cheated. No evidence of cheating has been found.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:45:00pm

I think the pundit class focuses way too much on the fact that Trump’s got a higher floor than most do but he’s got a much lower ceiling. I don’t think he’s ever been above 50% in approval and I don’t see that changing unless he gets kidnapped and replaced with a changeling who acts totally differently than the Trump of the past 71 years.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:46:26pm

re: #411 wrenchwench

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This is my congresswoman, as soon as she’s sworn in. Her opponent had the absentee ballots from the winner’s county impounded, because Ms. Loser had gone to bed thinking she was Ms. Winner, before those 8,000+ ballots had been counted. She woke up as a loser, and felt cheated. No evidence of cheating has been found.

I like her necklace. I also saw the DCCC chair comes from your state. Lujan did a great job. What can you tell us about him? Someone with a long term future? Senator? Maybe even VP or Pres or cabinet worthy?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:47:23pm

re: #410 HappyWarrior

I do wonder if the economy starts to go south a little- I hope not but a realistic possibility given his policies, could we see the makings of a landslide? I think it’s vital not only to defeat Trump but fix his policies in a way that will prevent a future Trump type from taking over.

I think we’re in a different world from the 1980s and before, where you could envision one party taking >40 states. Just by virtue of being the GOP candidate, Trump would have a hard floor at 45%.

However, it is starting to feel like a hard ceiling, too.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:49:45pm

re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White

I think we’re in a different world from the 1980s and before, where you could envision one party taking >40 states. Just by virtue of being the GOP candidate, Trump would have a hard floor at 45%.

However, it is starting to feel like a hard ceiling, too.

There are those who have allowed their pocketbooks to override their racism. That’s how we ended up with the majorities we had in 2008.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:49:58pm

So nutty.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:50:39pm

re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White

I think we’re in a different world from the 1980s and before, where you could envision one party taking >40 states. Just by virtue of being the GOP candidate, Trump would have a hard floor at 45%.

However, it is starting to feel like a hard ceiling, too.

I think you’re right about that but I do wonder about what would happen if the economy went south. That said. Yeah I think the days of true landslides are gone.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:51:39pm

re: #415 Belafon

There are those who have allowed their pocketbooks to override their racism. That’s how we ended up with the majorities we had in 2008.

That’s true. And honestly I really hope it doesn’t happen not just for the economy’s sake but because it will give the false illusion that we need to listen to those people more than our ow base.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:53:53pm

Frankly, I think Trump’s moves on trade have proven Sanders wrong too. That’s something that if he runs in 2020 and I think he will or at least have a proxy in the race needs to be pointed out.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:54:09pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:56:09pm

re: #413 HappyWarrior

I like her necklace. I also saw the DCCC chair comes from your state. Lujan did a great job. What can you tell us about him? Someone with a long term future? Senator? Maybe even VP or Pres or cabinet worthy?

He’s from way up north, by Colorado. That would be a few states away, to you Easterners. He’s from a big old NM family (his cousin was just elected governor), and seems more work horse than show horse. He will serve well wherever he goes. The woman who took our governor-elect’s seat in congress is one of the native american women debuting in congress next year, Deb Haaland. She was the state chair of the Democrats. She’ll go far.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:56:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:57:59pm

re: #421 wrenchwench

He’s from way up north, by Colorado. That would be a few states away, to you Easterners. He’s from a big old NM family (his cousin was just elected governor), and seems more work horse than show horse. He will serve well wherever he goes. The woman who took our governor-elect’s seat in congress is one of the native american women debuting in congress next year, Deb Haaland. She was the state chair of the Democrats. She’ll go far.

Cool to know. Thanks. And you’re right NM is massive. I like what I know about the NM Dems. Nota big state but you have some quality people in your delegation and man what a beautiful state too.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:58:23pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

I think you’re right about that but I do wonder about what would happen if the economy went south. That said. Yeah I think the days of true landslides are gone.

It’s not a question of “if” so much as “when.” The current bets are either late next year or early 2020, which would mean Donny trying to get reelected as the guy who took an economy that was humming along and killed it. Dubya had the good fortune that he’d paced his Tax Cuts and deregulation enough to goose good numbers out of the economy in time for his reelection. Donny is gonna face the exact opposite, with his need to post good numbers before the midterms causing the few benefits of the Tax Cuts to be front-loaded and all the drawbacks to come out the very next year.

To get an idea of how bad this is going to look, the IRS announced a few weeks ago that their estimates of people who actually gonna end up owing money on their taxes next year due to the changes to deductions has gone up by 3 million. In other words, 10% of the country is going to owe more in taxes next year that they would have without the Tax Cuts. So when you have millions of Americans who are planning their spending around the idea of a tax refund instead get told by the guy at H&R Block that they actually owe…yeah, not gonna be pretty.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 5:59:35pm

re: #424 Targetpractice

It’s not a question of “if” so much as “when.” The current bets are either late next year or early 2020, which would mean Donny trying to get reelected as the guy who took an economy that was humming along and killed it. Dubya had the good fortune that he’d paced his Tax Cuts and deregulation enough to goose good numbers out of the economy in time for his reelection. Donny is gonna face the exact opposite, with his need to post good numbers before the midterms causing the few benefits of the Tax Cuts to be front-loaded and all the drawbacks to come out the very next year.

To get an idea of how bad this is going to look, the IRS announced a few weeks ago that their estimates of people who actually gonna end up owing money on their taxes next year due to the changes to deductions has gone up by 3 million. In other words, 10% of the country is going to owe more in taxes next year that they would have without the Tax Cuts. So when you have millions of Americans who are planning their spending around the idea of a tax refund instead get told by the guy at H&R Block that they actually owe…yeah, not gonna be pretty.

Yeah I think you’re right unfortunately. It’s going to happen. I just hope the Dems don’t get blamed for it when it does and it results in someone even worse than Trump taking over. Economic turmoil is fertile breeding ground for fascists.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:02:09pm

Why yes, I am petty.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:04:11pm

re: #426 goddamnedfrank

Why yes, I am petty.

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You should gloat. They were so eager to dismiss the Dems gains.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:05:05pm

re: #426 goddamnedfrank

Why yes, I am petty.

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“C’mon, man! It’s looking really bad for Valadao! Uncall the race!”

“NO!!! There’s still a tiny, tiny chance I’ll be proven right, and I won’t look like an idiot!”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:06:34pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:07:30pm

The Democrats didn’t take the whole House and control the Senate by 10…and Trump is still President, so there is no blue wave libs!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:07:51pm

You’d think after the events in 2000 that they’d be a little cautious but nope.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:09:04pm

re: #429 Charles Johnson

[ just noticed I had what the kids call a “viral tweet.”]

Is that some kind of bird flu?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:09:22pm

re: #429 Charles Johnson

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Is that the tweet that you RTed by Patton Oswalt? And your post was right on. I hate reading stories about the migrants because I know the comment sections will make me sick and ashamed of a good chunk of our fellow Americans.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:09:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:10:54pm

The “chocolate rain” guy reads Foucault. Who knew?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:11:10pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:11:56pm

My favorite Elmo gif.

Bitcoin crashing , suicide Elmo

A year ago, bitcoin was ramping up fast.

No issues with that this year.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:17:46pm

re: #437 Amory Blaine

My favorite Elmo gif.

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.

No issues with that this year.

Oh, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that bitcoin’s value would never decline, I’d have more money than most of the morons who bought that shit.

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mmmirele  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:20:05pm

Just had to pass this along from National Treasure Charles P. Pierce.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:21:05pm

Fuckface Von Clownstick compared himself to Elvis at a MAGA Nuremberg Rally in Mississippi today. Yeah, I can see him dying on a toilet someday too.

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mmmirele  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:24:13pm

I came across this on Twitter and went to the @scotgov page to capture it:

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:25:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:26:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:26:01pm

re: #441 mmmirele

I came across this on Twitter and went to the @scotgov page to capture it:

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Oh Scotland, making me proud that my third grandparents emigrated there for a time before coming here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:26:23pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because he’s an autocrat wannabe.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:26:38pm

This tells me that Valadao now believes he’s not going to even be within range of a recount when this is over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:27:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:27:44pm
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William Lewis  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:28:21pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

The “chocolate rain” guy reads Foucault. Who knew?

I’ll stick to Wittgenstein and Camus, thank you.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:28:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:28:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:30:35pm

re: #450 gocart mozart

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Okay fine Mr. Trump, how about we spray you with tear gas? And why are they there? They’re trying to flee for a better life. Maybe if you thought about someone other than yourself, oyu’d get that but because oyu’re such an asshole, you never thought about that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:31:08pm

re: #451 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Al Gore did it better and he wasn’t trying to avoid the SFPD.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:31:20pm

get ready to laugh until it hurts:

(it’s a rather long thread)

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:31:48pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We can look forward to more of this as the consequences of his trade war trickle in and he finds that he can’t scare the economy into doing his bidding. The man is gonna lose what little is left of his mind the moment the economy starts posting job losses and the UE starts ticking up again.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:33:27pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:33:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:34:05pm

I’m dying…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:34:12pm

re: #456 gocart mozart

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She has always been a leader.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:36:14pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:39:05pm

re: #454 Backwoods_Sleuth

get ready to laugh until it hurts:

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(it’s a rather long thread)

My boss in a deli taught my coworker to remember ounces-to-pounds by saying, ‘A pint’s a pound the world-around’, which came out in her version as ‘A pint’s a pound and the world is round.’ Took me a few years to realize she probably had been a flat-earther.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:39:24pm

re: #456 gocart mozart

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A reminder that when Seth Moulton was still in elementary school, Nancy was out there fighting for shit that today’s Democrats take for granted.

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Mattand  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:40:09pm

re: #451 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ted Cruz grew a beard over Thanksgiving!

Which reminds me; I have to scrape the mold off of the vinyl siding on my house.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:41:00pm

re: #462 Targetpractice

A reminder that when Seth Moulton was still in elementary school, Nancy was out there fighting for shit that today’s Democrats take for granted.

Moulton really shot his career in the foot with this. I wouldn’t encourage primarying him but bye bye any hope of being in leadership in the future Seth.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:46:05pm

Speaking of Moulton, he’s apparently learned that his Quixotic quest to be the guy to finally bring down Nancy Pelosi is political suicide, so he’s chosen instead to use his total lack of leverage to “negotiate” with her about the other leadership positions. I think he might have better luck there, as unseating Hoyer would be more politically palatable in the current environment.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:46:43pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:47:38pm

re: #451 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe Perticone ✔
@JoePerticone
Ted Cruz grew a beard over Thanksgiving!

5:55 PM - Nov 26, 2018

Ted looks like he is in the first transformative stages of turning into The Wolfe Man, like in those old black and white movies.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:48:54pm

re: #467 gocart mozart

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I really hope all those purer than thou lefties know that they were being used by the worst element of Clinton’s 2008 campaign. So congratulations dumbasses, this is why Bernie won’t ever be President because you’re too naive to know who’s closer to you than not.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:48:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:49:56pm

re: #470 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Something out of a tinpot dictatorship. Disgusting. Prohibit the President from going there while he’s President.

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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:50:45pm

re: #457 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Nice. Can’t wait to see the images start to come in.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:53:30pm
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Mattand  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:53:48pm

re: #408 Blind Frog Belly White

I kinda feel like we’re starting to see the wheels come off, with the flashy “accomplishments” all turning out to be illusory, because they were always stupid, but maybe not so obviously.

I was reading the Wonkette article from the last week that dealt with the idiot soybean farmers who backed Trump. They’re all taking a shellacking and plowing under crops because their White KKKnight in Shining Armor’s tariffs caused China to buy their soybeans elsewhere.

I really don’t wish financial ruin on anyone, but goddamn; it is really hard to feel bad for these people. Five fucking minutes of Googling the phrase “Trump business practices” should have alerted anyone with minimal brainwave activity that this jackass couldn’t run a lemonade stand, let alone the country.

The fact these dopes are pretty much demanding a big ass government bailout from the guy who ruined their livelihoods is just the icing on the hypocrisy cake.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:54:46pm

re: #473 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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They call them parents where I come from something you also fail at perhaps even worse than President and human being.

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Kragar  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:56:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:56:56pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:58:02pm

feels like everyone could use a bit of levity
From earlier today

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:58:03pm

Hey Girls and Boys! Isn’t Deregulation with the Invisible Hand Of The Free Market wonderful???????

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:58:58pm

re: #479 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey Girls and Boys! Isn’t Deregulation with the Invisible Hand Of The Free Market wonderful???????

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From the makers of Yellow Cake Uranium by Niger! //

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 6:59:46pm

re: #477 Charles Johnson

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Indeed. I like a lot of what Rather has to say but that he can’t admit he fucked up on the NG memos is really disappointing.

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Kragar  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:00:50pm
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Mattand  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:01:11pm

re: #479 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey Girls and Boys! Isn’t Deregulation with the Invisible Hand Of The Free Market wonderful???????

[Embedded content]

Recommended by 4 out of 5 Libertarians who eat chips!

And then promptly die from lead poisoning.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:01:14pm

On a neat genealogy note, one of my dad’s second cousin found some photos of her grandfather- dad’s grand uncle and the brother of his grandfather. We didn’t know he had been in the military for a time.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:01:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:02:04pm

re: #482 Kragar

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Fucking asshole just doesn’t get it does he? Maybe if we castrated Republicans, they wouldn’t be so glib about sexual assault but we shouldn’t’ do that still.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:03:58pm

re: #482 Kragar

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Another “pro-life” Republican, I see.

//////

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:04:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:06:01pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:07:53pm

re: #482 Kragar

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:08:31pm

Fucking right wingers.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:10:02pm

When you’ve lost Geraldo

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:10:56pm

Welp, I picked up a whole lot of new Twitter followers after links from Patton Oswalt and Tom Arnold. Where do I cash them in?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:11:12pm

re: #492 gocart mozart

When you’ve lost Geraldo

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Geraldo will be back to sucking off Trump but yeah it says a lot that even this bothered him.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:12:14pm

Republicans constantly feel they must remind us that they consider the whole of the 20th century (except that short period in the 1950s when they think America was totally awesome) a total mistake and would change everything back if they had the power to do so.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:12:45pm

re: #493 Charles Johnson

Welp, I picked up a whole lot of new Twitter followers after links from Patton Oswalt and Tom Arnold. Where do I cash them in?

Haha. Not a big fan of Tom’s but Patton is cool. He’s from here in NoVa and sometimes visits his hometown and my brother swears he saw him at our rock climbing gym which surprises me since Patton god love him isn’t built for that at all lol but my brother who is great with faces was sure it was him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:13:27pm

re: #495 Targetpractice

Republicans constantly feel they must remind us that they consider the whole of the 20th century (except that short period in the 1950s when they think America was totally awesome) a total mistake and would change everything back if they had the power to do so.

Republicans are by their own admission enemies of the progress we’ve made as a people over the centuries and by people I mean humanity as a whole not just as Americans.

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Mattand  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:14:13pm

re: #491 Charles Johnson

Fucking right wingers.

I’m guessing that since Kevin McCullough’s Twitter handle is “KMCRadio”, he’s a wingnut?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:14:37pm

Not to mention the Chocolate Rain guy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:14:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:15:39pm

re: #500 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s what you should have done the first time.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:17:24pm

re: #491 Charles Johnson

Fucking right wingers.

I’ll take “Things I wouldn’t do at gunpoint” for 800 dollars, Alex.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:20:24pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:20:46pm
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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:21:38pm

re: #482 Kragar

Public hangings “would deter a lot of crimes”

It took the British Empire several centuries to unlearn this assumption.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:22:58pm

re: #504 gocart mozart

4 AM Saturday, is that when it was supposed to begin? Well, shit, I missed the memo again.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:23:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:24:25pm

They always do this.

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retired cynic  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:25:13pm

re: #508 Charles Johnson

They always do this.

No wonder they like Trump.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:25:15pm

re: #493 Charles Johnson

Welp, I picked up a whole lot of new Twitter followers after links from Patton Oswalt and Tom Arnold. Where do I cash them in?

The same place we cash our karma points in.

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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:28:56pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:31:23pm
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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:32:48pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:33:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:33:56pm

re: #511 gocart mozart

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Mark Penn also predicted HRC would run in 2020 and the Bros were taking it as fact even though he hasn’t advised her in years and this latest only proves it. Penn is someone I don’t want anything to do with Democratic politics.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:34:17pm

re: #514 Single-handed sailor

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Dude come the hell on.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:35:20pm

re: #514 Single-handed sailor

Are any of the dissidents promising to beat Pelosi at raising money for Democratic candidates?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:36:16pm

re: #513 jaunte

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It’s tired but yes replace Melania with Michelle as:
* the other woman in a divorce
* Posed for nude photos
* Plagiarized another first lady
* Wore a jacket that said “I don’t care, do u”

It’s not that she’s a Republican FLOTUS. I actually like the two other Republican first ladies we had in my lifetime that I remember and I can’t say enough great things about Betty Ford who was before my time but an awesome FLOTUS and I love how Jerry treated her.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:36:50pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:37:06pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:37:29pm

re: #516 HappyWarrior

Dude come the hell on.

A cry for attention.

Everyone else is getting a mention, how about me?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:38:16pm

re: #520 Charles Johnson

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Yeah your tariffs are working so well, so well. Oh and you would have lost your shit if your shitty brand got tariffed. ANd no you’re not smart. You’re profoundly stupid. Just profoundly lucky that there’s enough people even more stupid than you that you conned.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:38:48pm

re: #521 ObserverArt

A cry for attention.

Everyone else is getting a mention, how about me?

True, it’s one way to separate him from the other freshmen like AOC and my Congreswoman elect, Wexton.

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Cheechako  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:39:17pm
AP Politics

@AP_Politics

The AP is retracting its call in the race for California’s 21st Congressional District. The AP had declared Republican David Valadao the winner. However, Democrat T.J. Cox has taken the lead in the vote count. No new call will be made until the results are certified.

I hope they make the correct call next time.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:39:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:40:41pm

re: #525 jaunte

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This is why I hate Citizens United. It leads to shit like this.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:41:14pm

re: #526 HappyWarrior

Noncitizens Undercover.

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Seafaring, coquito drinking Santa!  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:42:51pm

I hope everyone had an excellent Thanksgiving!

mXzH+Fl+yEmZSKbCdYxHAxHzbUndbR2pqp5HDGsLeZS1c/5D5wlOGQHXjHlKT9fsHPZGfWG1mVp5AMWCwT31nQ90oeDhrlwo

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:43:20pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:45:11pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:45:21pm

re: #520 Charles Johnson

@crampell
President Trump: I happen to be a tariff person because I’m a smart person, OK?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:45:53pm

re: #529 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Way to make your promo look like To Catch a Predator, Fox Nation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:47:38pm

=re: #530 gocart mozart

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I really like AOC. She’s going to really piss a lot of them off but I also think she’s smart enough that she’ll be effective and not be another Alan Greyson type.

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Seafaring, coquito drinking Santa!  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:51:34pm

re: #533 HappyWarrior

=

I really like AOC. She’s going to really piss a lot of them off but I also think she’s smart enough that she’ll be effective and not be another Alan Greyson type.

Greyson was useful, but burned out by his own ego.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:52:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:53:29pm

re: #534 Seafaring, coquito drinking Santa!

Greyson was useful, but burned out by his own ego.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:55:01pm

re: #535 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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How does he fit in? Well for starters he got himself elected to Congress in the mid 80’s form there when you were doing blow. But yeah you’re not a racist at all, we believe you. Fucking racist pig.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:55:48pm

He can’t even say shit like Espy is too liberal for MS. He goes for shit like this because he knows what those racist pieces of shit want to hear.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:58:32pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:14:37pm

re: #539 Charles Johnson

Or maybe it wasn’t deliberate. Maybe he’s just a fucking idiot that can’t keep himself from running his yap all the damned time.


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