Julien Baker, Lucy Dacus and Phoebe Bridgers: Boygenius: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Nov. 16, 2018 | Bob Boilen — The group is new, but all of the members of boygenius — Julien Baker, Lucy Dacus and Phoebe Bridgers — are Tiny Desk Concert alumae. In fact, Julien has been behind my desk twice before. So when the usual nerve-racking session was over and I shouted out, “So, is it any easier the second or third time?” I had to laugh when I got a resounding “No!” from all of them. The notion of playing in broad daylight, in an office, without having your voice coming out of a PA and with an audience close enough to touch is not only intensely intimate but also intimidating. That’s not only true to these three, newly collaborating, under-25-year-olds. It was also true of, say, Ralph Stanley (who was older than their ages combined) when he sang a cappella behind my desk.

But what came through as these three heartfelt singers performed was the strength of their songs. My first attraction to each of them as artists was the songwriting. In fact, the title track to Julien Baker’s first album, Sprained Ankle, is what got me to a show of hers early in 2016, which introduced me to the opening act, Lucy Dacus. (You can hear them tell their tale on an upcoming All Songs Considered.) Boygenius only has six total tunes, all from their just-released, self-titled EP, and here they perform half of that catalog. What you get at the Tiny Desk is a frailer version of these more fleshed-out songs from a band that is likely quite temporary.

For their closing tune at the Tiny Desk, “Ketchum, ID,” Julien, Phoebe and Lucy each take a verse. Lucy’s verse ends the song with the line, “Let’s dissolve the band, move to Idaho.” And the chorus to the song, in stunning harmony, echoes the mileage of the lifestyle, how they live and how they met: “I am never anywhere / Anywhere I go / When I’m home I’m never there / Long enough to know.”

This trio is a special gift to us all in 2018.

Set List
“Souvenir”
“Me & My Dog”
“Ketchum, ID”
Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Kaylee Domzalski, Beck Harlan; Editor: Kaylee Domzalski; Production Assistant: Brie Martin; Photo: Cameron Pollack/NPR

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Seafaring, coquito drinking Santa!  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:47:17pm

From the previous thread:

re: #529 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I refuse to see it, even for free. Not even in that Christian site.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:57:29pm

JFC on a concertina wire tightrope unicycling across Mount Doom.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:58:08pm

I want to stay in Canada.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:59:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 7:59:27pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

JFC on a concertina wire tightrope unicycling across Mount Doom.

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I want someone to tear gas him and see how he fucking feels about tear gas after that. (Not really) but I do feel like quoting Lincoln here who said “”Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:00:42pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

I want to stay in Canada.

May I join you?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:01:11pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

I want to stay in Canada.

I don’t blame you. This is so so infuriating.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:01:46pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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If Boris Johnson loses out on Brexit, he was born in New York, right? He could come over here and run for President after tRump….

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:02:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:04:16pm

re: #8 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If Boris Johnson loses out on Brexit, he was born in New York, right? He could come over here and run for President after tRump….

You do have to establish residency for a time. And I didn’t know he was born in New York. Hmmm what was Trump doing in September 1963. // I am kidding but he does look like a Trump, Wiki has a photo of Boris’s dad whom he does resemble.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:07:54pm
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Danack  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:07:56pm

re: #8 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If Boris Johnson loses out on Brexit, he was born in New York, right?

It might be difficult as he renounced his US citizenship.

theguardian.com

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:08:13pm

re: #8 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If Boris Johnson loses out on Brexit, he was born in New York, right? He could come over here and run for President after tRump….

Bite your tongue.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:09:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:10:21pm

Boris is an ass. I don’t know how he got elected mayor of such a diverse city like London but TBH London had a jackass lefty in Livingstone too. I do like Mayor Khan though.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:10:41pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Of course, he did.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:11:57pm
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Seafaring, coquito drinking Santa!  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:12:16pm

Got CL.

re: #535 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I remember the old mayors for my home town and our basketball rivals. Giants in their own ways. So good, even the opposition party members voted for them. They are still venerated to this day.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:14:17pm

re: #12 Danack

It might be difficult as he renounced his US citizenship.

theguardian.com

So did Obama, even though he had no citizenship to renounce, what with being born in Kenya and all. (//// necessary?)

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:15:36pm
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mmmirele  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:17:29pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

I want to stay in Canada.

I know someone who has tried to get asylum in Canada, she’s originally from Florida. She was the named plaintiff in a church-state case out of Pensacola and she and her family were being harassed by the locals, so she picked up and moved to Toronto. It’s looking like she’s going to be deported later this week, but the Canadian government may give them a month to get their affairs in order. Canada is really cracking down on American asylum. We’re just going to have to deal with it.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:18:26pm

“Mars Truthers Dispute NASA Claims.”

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:19:13pm

Chuck Todd will moderate the discussion.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:20:28pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:20:39pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Prepare for more of this as we head into the next 2 years. Ford just posted a huge loss this year and I doubt Chrysler is in any better condition. The former even explicitly blamed the loss on Donny’s steel tariffs raising operating costs.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:26:31pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:28:13pm

Dang, scooped by Teleskiguy!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:30:47pm

re: #23 jaunte

Chuck Todd will moderate the discussion.

No doubt that Chuck U will invite Bart Sibrel and Logan Paul for the fair and balanced discussion…

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:32:26pm

Today’s fresh hell from E. Erickson:

Yes, let’s keep the cycle of corrupt strongmen going.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:32:28pm
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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:33:44pm

Help, I’m stuck in a Stephen King novel.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:34:23pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:36:49pm
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:43:49pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:44:48pm

re: #34 Ace-o-aces

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I keep asking why Milo hasn’t been deported…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:47:32pm

re: #35 Joe Bacon 🌹

I keep asking why Milo hasn’t been deported…

He’s white, European, and not Muslim?

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:50:21pm

re: #29 jaunte

Today’s fresh hell from E. Erickson:

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Yes, let’s keep the cycle of corrupt strongmen going.

Hey, it worked for us in…well, there was…or wait, maybe…shit, I’m gonna have to get back to you on that.

//////

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:51:17pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Let’s see, Vietnam? Iraq? Iran? Saudi Arabia?

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:54:15pm

re: #38 jaunte

Let’s see, Vietnam? Iraq? Iran? Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia’s about the only place it’s worked. The rest either fell to a coup, fell to military action, or fell when they got on our bad side.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:55:55pm
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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:56:03pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

I mention Saudi Arabia because we felt some of the unpleasant side effects of their oppressive rule.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:57:59pm

Funding a terrorist attack in another country is what you can expect from a military (or royal) strongman maintaining his power by finding a distraction for his malcontents.

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sagehen  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:58:06pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

Saudi Arabia’s about the only place it’s worked. The rest either fell to a coup, fell to military action, or fell when they got on our bad side.

It works everywhere for awhile. The blowback a decade or two later is the problem.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:58:49pm

So Erickson’s proposal is in effect in support of more terrorism.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 8:59:24pm

re: #44 jaunte

So Erickson’s proposal is in effect in support of more terrorism.

Yes, and according to him it’s terrorism in Jesus’ Name!

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:00:28pm

re: #44 jaunte

So Erickson’s proposal is in effect in support of more terrorism.

As we’ve discovered, it’s far cheaper to make problems elsewhere - such as the middle east - than to respond to them here. //

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:02:07pm

re: #44 jaunte

So Erickson’s proposal is in effect in support of more terrorism.

More like the usual “Put a strongman in power who will work for us” bit:

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:03:26pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Those people getting hit by the “heavy hand” always hit back.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:04:08pm

re: #46 Belafon

As we’ve discovered, it’s far cheaper to make problems elsewhere - such as the middle east - than to respond to them here. //

It can be extremely costly to make problems elsewhere — we are still paying for the overthrow of the Iranian ruler in 1953 and for the excellent adventure in Iraq in 2003.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:04:25pm

“United Fruit will stabilize Central America with a firm hand.”

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:06:53pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:14:15pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Sarcastic Rover would like to have a word with AP.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:16:03pm

“America is an awesome nation that promotes freedom and liberty across the globe…which is why I think the best way to address problems in South America is to install a new generation of fascist dictators who will take their orders from us.”

I’m reminded again of a long-held personal belief that the saddest day of most wingnuts lives was the day the USSR dissolved. They had a good thing going when there was a monolithic “bad guy” they could rage against for fun and profit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:19:07pm

re: #51 jaunte

Jeet Heer

@HeerJeet
Ha ha ha, the joke here is that Pinochet had political opponents thrown from helicopters to their death. Ha ha ha.

Erick Erickson

@EWErickson
Replying to @jneeley78
I’m hoping for some helicopters in this plan.

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11:06 PM - Nov 26, 2018

OMG. And Erick pretends to be moral?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:37:08pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

OMG. And Erick pretends to be moral?

He sure is. You got to remember that Erick’s morality is based on Ayn AS IN MINE Rand’s Objectivism!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:38:58pm

I went to the organisational meeting of the village planning commission (my wife is the chairwoman pro-tem until the next village board meeting, when the planning commission will be accepted by the village board).

From the last thread:

re: #335 HappyWarrior

The problem with Reagan is the image of the kindly grandfather who ended communism. I will grant real Reagan was better and more practical than the conservative myth but I dislike more about the man than I like. I try to understand people in the context of their times and I guess that’s why I have a hard time overlooking the race baiting and piss poor response to aids. I also find him patronizing especially to his opposition.

Yup. While ignoring his launching his presidential campaign on the site of Civil Rights workers who had only been slain in that place seven years before. Eliminating open carry in California after African-Americans started doing it. Laying a wreath at the cemetery of fallen SS soldiers in West Germany.

Saying it was a travesty that low-ranked military personnel could qualify for food stamps, then pushing to ban military personnel from getting food stamps. Saying that the military and civilian Federal workers needed to take the lead on showing citizens we cared about the budget deficit by freezing pay rises.

But somehow those of us who saw all this during his presidency are supposed to swallow “The GOP changed and I didn’t.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:43:48pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

Three years of zero pay raises under ol President Pruneface.

Never forget. Never forgive.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 26, 2018 • 9:54:16pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

OMG. And Erick pretends to be moral?

Don’t forget he’s Pro-Life.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:00:36pm

re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter

It can be extremely costly to make problems elsewhere — we are still paying for the overthrow of the Iranian ruler in 1953 and for the excellent adventure in Iraq in 2003.

With respect to Iraq, if he were alive today, Saddam Hussein would be 81 - more likely, he’d probably be dead or close to death by now. The post-Saddam order in Iraq was always going to be bad - Uday and Qusay probably would have ended up fighting each other for power, there would have been a Kurdish independence movement (again), and probably a Shite uprising.

That’s not to defend the Iraq War, it was based on lies/misinformation, and the post war plan was complete shit. But I believe we (and most of the regional powers) would have been pulled into a war in Iraq sometime in the last decade and a half.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:04:02pm

It seems somebody among the NYT editors decided that “Look at how many Trump supporters we can find in Appalachia” stories weren’t working anymore and chose to challenge themselves to finding “liberal” Trump supporters. And they succeeded by…finding the sort of people you find when lots of money is involved:

tl;dr, the Gray Lady hunted down a couple of star fuckers and social climbers who think money protects them from the sort of people that Trump’s political career is built upon. Why? Because they once tried to glom onto Hillary and a staffer stopped them, so they made a decision on Election Night ‘16 that they wanted to be with “winners” and jumped on the Trump bandwagon.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:04:14pm

Must be his evil cousin, Satan Claus.

Facebook Post

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:13:31pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:23:09pm

re: #59 KGxvi

With respect to Iraq, if he were alive today, Saddam Hussein would be 81 - more likely, he’d probably be dead or close to death by now. The post-Saddam order in Iraq was always going to be bad - Uday and Qusay probably would have ended up fighting each other for power, there would have been a Kurdish independence movement (again), and probably a Shite uprising.

That’s not to defend the Iraq War, it was based on lies/misinformation, and the post war plan was complete shit. But I believe we (and most of the regional powers) would have been pulled into a war in Iraq sometime in the last decade and a half.

I don’t know if it could ever have ended well BUT if Bush had put experts into Iraq, instead of GOP loyalists and anti-abortion fanatics, we may have had a fighting chance in winning the peace after the original fighting. The Trump incompetent staff is not the first time a GOP President (or his staff) prized loyalty above expertise. Read Chandrasekaran’s Imperial Life in the Emerald City

—edited for minor changes

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:41:10pm
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TedStriker  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:44:28pm

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Must be his evil cousin, Satan Claus.

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That version of Santa is metal as fuck.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:49:23pm

re: #59 KGxvi

With respect to Iraq, if he were alive today, Saddam Hussein would be 81 - more likely, he’d probably be dead or close to death by now. The post-Saddam order in Iraq was always going to be bad - Uday and Qusay probably would have ended up fighting each other for power, there would have been a Kurdish independence movement (again), and probably a Shite uprising.

That’s not to defend the Iraq War, it was based on lies/misinformation, and the post war plan was complete shit. But I believe we (and most of the regional powers) would have been pulled into a war in Iraq sometime in the last decade and a half.

Bear in mind that there would have been other events that would have weighed upon Saddam’s rule even if he hadn’t been deposed in ‘03. We may have tried to restore ties (however tenuous) with him in order to again serve as a counter-balance to Iran due to fighting in Afghanistan Iranian saber-rattling. And even if it wasn’t us, there would have been pressure to ease or end the various post-GW embargoes in place so to allow the Iraqi military to (at the very least) acquire sufficient spare parts and replacement kits to bring their remaining military up to snuff. Certainly it would have meant less of a chance that groups like ISIS would spring up, but it would also mean that the country would face a lot of instability when the Arab Spring struck the region.

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TedStriker  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:50:35pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

It seems somebody among the NYT editors decided that “Look at how many Trump supporters we can find in Appalachia” stories weren’t working anymore and chose to challenge themselves to finding “liberal” Trump supporters. And they succeeded by…finding the sort of people you find when lots of money is involved:

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tl;dr, the Gray Lady hunted down a couple of star fuckers and social climbers who think money protects them from the sort of people that Trump’s political career is built upon. Why? Because they once tried to glom onto Hillary and a staffer stopped them, so they made a decision on Election Night ‘16 that they wanted to be with “winners” and jumped on the Trump bandwagon.

They apparently can afford to be quislings, because I’m sure they figure they’ve got the money to blow this pop stand if they’re in danger. Of course, that’s all fine and dandy if you see it coming, but not when you get dragged from your bed in the middle of the night or get cornered by a mob out on the street with no exit.

Come to think of it, “fuck everyone else, I’ve got mine” works for them too…that’s something they definitely have in common with Trumpers.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:51:18pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:54:00pm

re: #67 TedStriker

They apparently can afford to be quislings, because I’m sure they figure they’ve got the money to blow this pop stand if they’re in danger.

Come to think of it, “fuck everyone else, I’ve got mine” works for them too…that’s something they definitely have in common with Trumpers.

They may very well end up leaving the country after Trump’s fall from grace, as it seems in their rush to be his new best buds that they’re pissing off all their old friends. And once he’s gone, they’ll find that the Faux crowd will suddenly have little time for them. And the Trumps will suddenly lose their phone numbers, as I’m sure all their former Dem friends already have.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 26, 2018 • 10:58:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:00:36pm

re: #454 Backwoods_Sleuth

get ready to laugh until it hurts:

(it’s a rather long thread)

From the Twitter thread on Imperial v US Customary v metric system.

A person in that thread notes that he lives in Canada and has no idea what his older coworkers are talking about when they say things like “I went 80 miles per hour.”

(My car is only scaled in miles)

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:17:20pm

The foreign press can do more journalism in a tweet than American press does in a news article.

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Targetpractice  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:22:37pm

Wingnuts: “Chicago is a cesspool of crime, racial strife, corruption, and violence! Why wouldn’t people be trying to get out of that city?!”

Also wingnuts: “So what if those people are coming from crime-ridden hellholes?! They should stay and clean them up! They’re not refugees!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:34:37pm

re: #21 mmmirele

I know someone who has tried to get asylum in Canada, she’s originally from Florida. She was the named plaintiff in a church-state case out of Pensacola and she and her family were being harassed by the locals, so she picked up and moved to Toronto. It’s looking like she’s going to be deported later this week, but the Canadian government may give them a month to get their affairs in order. Canada is really cracking down on American asylum. We’re just going to have to deal with it.

Should’ve tear-gassed her at the border…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:36:46pm

re: #41 jaunte

I mention Saudi Arabia because we felt some of the unpleasant side effects of their oppressive rule.

We forgot what happened in 1973.

Nearly wrecked our economy and bought the USSR another 10 years of life on the petroleum drip…

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:41:31pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:42:50pm

re: #64 Single-handed sailor

CNN is catching up to what several YouTubers already know. You can build an iPhone from parts by shopping in that mall, hack your existing iPhone for more RAM, and replace the battery. If you’re an electronics hobbyist, these “digital malls” are like a ginormous toy store — tools, parts, test equipment, fasteners — the list goes on.

Now the sellers in Huaqianbei are selling used Bitcoin (etc.) mining equipment dirt-cheap, because it’s no longer profitable to mine cryptocurrencies with older, slower equipment, even in China.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:43:14pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. While ignoring his launching his presidential campaign on the site of Civil Rights workers who had only been slain in that place seven years before. Eliminating open carry in California after African-Americans started doing it. Laying a wreath at the cemetery of fallen SS soldiers in West Germany.

Saying it was a travesty that low-ranked military personnel could qualify for food stamps, then pushing to ban military personnel from getting food stamps. Saying that the military and civilian Federal workers needed to take the lead on showing citizens we cared about the budget deficit by freezing pay rises.

But somehow those of us who saw all this during his presidency are supposed to swallow “The GOP changed and I didn’t.”

Stating that “The best social program is a job” while cutting funding for job-training programs.

Pandering to Fundamentalist Christians while his wife was consulting her house astrologer to plan his daily schedule

And I would like to have been aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when it moored in Japan to provide aid after the Fukushima catastrophe as the captain presented his credentials saying “We’re from the US government and we’re here to help you!”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 26, 2018 • 11:43:35pm

re: #65 TedStriker

That version of Santa is metal as fuck.

He needs that cat with the creepy eyes as a mascot.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:13:09am

Heh.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:14:13am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:33:04am

What conservatives (and a bunch of the press) keep leaving out on this tear gassing thing is that it was done across the border.

Wingnuts would be howling for a real invasion if Mexico’s border patrol did that to the USA.

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Teukka  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:51:12am

In the local excitement department, a bus depot caught fire yesterday and continues to burn… Smoke can be seen and smelt in most parts of Stockholm. :(

Brand i bussdepå i Hornsberg

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:52:14am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

What conservatives (and a bunch of the press) keep leaving out on this tear gassing thing is that it was done across the border.

Wingnuts would be howling for a real invasion if Mexico’s border patrol did that to the USA.

So first they close the border to build up pressure. Then they await the moment that the pressure can be presented as some sort of “threat to our security”.

They know what they can get away with and did an highly efficient job of taking full advantage of what we have come to allow and accept.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:04:06am
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freetoken  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:10:08am

So I’ve been perusing through some real estate listings here in San Diego county… not that I’m buying but looking at how we Americans really live and inhabit the earth, thinking about what Kate over at mcmansionhell.com has written, and others have written, about our American culture…

Anyway, from a listing here in San Diego county (you know, where we’re apparently under threat of some mob of migrant women and children from one of those brown parts of the world)… the following is an example of a real bath room:

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:17:43am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:18:53am

re: #86 freetoken

Wow, that bathroom is as big as my house.

I could park my car in it and have room for another car.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:20:23am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, that bathroom is as big as my house.

I could park my car in it and have room for another car.

that bathtub could serve as a car wash for your Smart…

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freetoken  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:23:27am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s not really a “McMansion”, more like an overgrown country estate. There are lots of properties in this county like that, made by people with more money than artistic taste.

And that house is far, far from the most outlandish. As outlandish displays of wealth go, that particular property actually has parts of it done in relatively good taste.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:31:57am

re: #86 freetoken

So I’ve been perusing through some real estate listings here in San Diego county… not that I’m buying but looking at how we Americans really live and inhabit the earth, thinking about what Kate over at mcmansionhell.com has written, and others have written, about our American culture…

Anyway, from a listing here in San Diego county (you know, where we’re apparently under threat of some mob of migrant women and children from one of those brown parts of the world)… the following is an example of a real bath room:

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That’s as big as some single-family homes I’ve visited in China. No joke.

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Teukka  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:47:18am

re: #83 Teukka

In the local excitement department, a bus depot caught fire yesterday and continues to burn… Smoke can be seen and smelt in most parts of Stockholm. :(

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Some more pics from about 1-2 clicks south… Lizardim are asked to send prayers, thoughts and assorted good vibes this doesn’t escalate to a Class B bonfire. This depot also has a diesel fuel store…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:53:45am

Thread is worth reading just for the laughs.

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:56:40am

My old pal insomnia has come to pay a visit and fuck up my Tuesday. Lucky for me that I’ve got a light work load tomorrow.

I’ve been reading legal blogs and Twitter feeds about the ramifications of Mueller pulling Manafort’s plea deal for the past two hours, and there’s a lot of heavy speculation that Mueller knew all along that he was being lied to and let Manafort think he was getting away with it, and a particular point of interest is that the deal was not pulled until after Trump had submitted his written answers.

I’m kinda giddy at the thought of Manafort feeding Trump information that would implicate Trump in an obstruction rap, and all with Mueller’s full knowledge. It would be the maraschino cherry of stupid on top of the stupid sundae these clowns have been mixing up for two years.

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Teukka  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:04:30am

re: #94 makeitstop

My old pal insomnia has come to pay a visit and fuck up my Tuesday. Lucky for me that I’ve got a light work load tomorrow.

I’ve been reading legal blogs and Twitter feeds about the ramifications of Mueller pulling Manafort’s plea deal for the past two hours, and there’s a lot of heavy speculation that Mueller knew all along that he was being lied to and let Manafort think he was getting away with it, and a particular point of interest is that the deal was not pulled until after Trump had submitted his written answers.

I’m kinda giddy at the thought of Manafort feeding Trump information that would implicate Trump in an obstruction rap, and all with Mueller’s full knowledge. It would be the maraschino cherry of stupid on top of the stupid sundae these clowns have been mixing up for two years.

Occationally have the Insomni-Yak as my spirit animal myself.
*hugs for strength for the work day*

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fern01  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:33:11am

re: #60 Targetpractice

It seems somebody among the NYT editors decided that “Look at how many Trump supporters we can find in Appalachia” stories weren’t working anymore and chose to challenge themselves to finding “liberal” Trump supporters. And they succeeded by…finding the sort of people you find when lots of money is involved:

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tl;dr, the Gray Lady hunted down a couple of star fuckers and social climbers who think money protects them from the sort of people that Trump’s political career is built upon. Why? Because they once tried to glom onto Hillary and a staffer stopped them, so they made a decision on Election Night ‘16 that they wanted to be with “winners” and jumped on the Trump bandwagon.

One of the reasons the polls have been so very wrong this time around. People like this are counted as trump supporters and the count is extrapolated to return rubbish.

Just looked at 538 for the expectations for California 21st

1/5 chance Dem win
4/5 chance GOP win

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:34:59am

re: #91 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

That’s as big as some single-family homes I’ve visited in China. No joke.

It’s as big as some single family homes in my town.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:37:36am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:04:44am

Jeff Sessions is being floated in Alabama as a person to run against Doug Jones to win back his old Senate seat. Some pundits think if Sessions ran for it, the state would turn into a GOP free-for-all in the primary.

politico.com

Though Sessions would be the clear front-runner if he runs, his frayed ties with Trump could create an opening for other Republicans to make a play for the seat — and cause a messy primary similar to the one that cost the party the seat last year, several Alabama Republicans tracking the situation said.

POLITICO interviewed more than a dozen GOP operatives and potential candidates in the state about the prospect of a Sessions comeback bid and the forecast for the Senate race against Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.). They agreed that Sessions remains overwhelmingly popular in his home state after representing it for nearly two decades in the Senate.

But the Republicans were split on whether the 71-year-old Sessions would take the plunge, and whether he would clear the GOP field if he did. The belief, at least among some Republicans in the state, that Sessions might not be a gimme for the seat shows just how tumultuous the past three years have been for the Alabama political icon: From coming out as Trump’s earliest and most prominent campaign supporter, to being tapped as the nation’s most powerful law enforcement official, and now, potentially, to a difficult campaign for his old seat.

(more)

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:13:48am

re: #93 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Thread is worth reading just for the laughs.

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so… the writer of this rant thinks girls would be better off with unplanned pregnancies and/or the spread of contagious diseases?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:15:17am

re: #94 makeitstop

My old pal insomnia has come to pay a visit and fuck up my Tuesday. Lucky for me that I’ve got a light work load tomorrow.

I’ve been reading legal blogs and Twitter feeds about the ramifications of Mueller pulling Manafort’s plea deal for the past two hours, and there’s a lot of heavy speculation that Mueller knew all along that he was being lied to and let Manafort think he was getting away with it, and a particular point of interest is that the deal was not pulled until after Trump had submitted his written answers.

I’m kinda giddy at the thought of Manafort feeding Trump information that would implicate Trump in an obstruction rap, and all with Mueller’s full knowledge. It would be the maraschino cherry of stupid on top of the stupid sundae these clowns have been mixing up for two years.

I haven’t time to jump down that particular rabbit hole, but your summary makes sense. Manafort and Trump have either contradicted each other, or they both have contradicted what Mueller already knows independently of either of those two geniuses. We all know Trump’s grasp of reality is the truth at best, and Manafort’s not any better, so they both could have walked right into several perjury traps just by being themselves.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:18:03am

re: #100 sagehen

so… the writer of this rant thinks girls would be better off with unplanned pregnancies and/or the spread of contagious diseases?

No, no, no. He wants them all married to good Christian men and pregnant with good Christian babbies, and the sooner the better. Maybe even before they discover what the clitoris is good for.

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:19:27am

Except that the kind of guy who writes that kind of post, wants them married to the sort of good Christian men who if they’ve ever even heard of a clitoris don’t know how to find it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:28:53am

True. And if they did, they’d be afraid of awakening the devil in the woman, which could lead to all sorts of naughty stuff.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:32:17am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:40:34am

re: #100 sagehen

so… the writer of this rant thinks girls would be better off with unplanned pregnancies and/or the spread of contagious diseases?

He also confuses the function of a clitoris and a uterus. My guess is he has no idea what either do.

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:54:30am

re: #100 sagehen

so… the writer of this rant thinks girls would be better off with unplanned pregnancies and/or the spread of contagious diseases?

The word “thinks” seems fairly inappropriate here, somehow…

And “the devil’s doorbell”??
Serious LOL for realz

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:58:57am

Have a feeling this is a “shop”. But even if it is, it a good one.

Now off to work.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:06:06am

Just when you think things could not get worse, there’s this.

Same kind of shit the Nazis did in Germany.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:16:23am

Last year’s Christmas decorations were bad enough, but this year’s give me the creeps.

This second angle has me imagining trees walking down the corridor for some evil purpose.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:18:28am
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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:23:44am

re: #69 Targetpractice

They may very well end up leaving the country after Trump’s fall from grace, as it seems in their rush to be his new best buds that they’re pissing off all their old friends. And once he’s gone, they’ll find that the Faux crowd will suddenly have little time for them. And the Trumps will suddenly lose their phone numbers, as I’m sure all their former Dem friends already have.

#Winning!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:28:46am

re: #110 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Y’see, this is way more cheerful and inviting, and not just because of the tall dude in the hallway.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:39:54am

House Republicans unveil giant tax package (Politico, more at the link, we knew they were going to do it, but still):

House Republicans on Monday evening unexpectedly released a 297-page tax bill they hope to move during the lame-duck session of Congress.

The legislation would revive a number of expired tax provisions known as “extenders,” address glitches in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and make a range of changes to savings- and retirement-related tax provisions.

Other parts of the bill would revamp the IRS, provide new tax breaks for start-up businesses and offer assistance to disaster victims.

and

The bill’s unveiling came only hours after Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), the ranking Democrat on the Finance Committee, complained the House GOP had provided little inkling of what exactly they want to do on taxes in the lame duck. His spokesperson later gave the measure a frosty reception.

“The first time Finance Committee Dems saw Brady’s legislation was in his press release,” Wyden spokeswoman Rachel McCleery tweeted Monday evening. “There was no communication from his staff, including a heads up that something was coming. That is not how you negotiate.”

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:41:44am
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jeffreyw  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:43:06am

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Good morning!

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:47:48am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:48:26am

He awakens, with twelve minutes between tweets. Is he learning to type faster?

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:52:23am

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

He awakens, with twelve minutes between tweets. Is he learning to type faster?

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He’s terrified.

And it is glorious.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:54:39am
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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:55:42am

HA!

And off to meetingland I go. Cheers all!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:58:06am

Mueller Just Guaranteed He Can Issue a Public Report (goes to emptywheel, more at the link):

Back when Paul Manafort first entered a plea agreement, I argued the effects of it could not be pardoned away.

Here’s why this deal is pardon proof:

Mueller spent the hour and a half delay in arraignment doing … something. It’s possible Manafort even presented the key parts of testimony Mueller needs from him to the grand jury this morning.
The forfeiture in this plea is both criminal and civil, meaning DOJ will be able to get Manafort’s $46 million even with a pardon.
Some of the dismissed charges are financial ones that can be charged in various states.

Since that time, Mueller has been busy finishing up the Roger Stone indictment, Trump has finally finished his open book test, and any owners of the property Manafort had to forfeit under the plea deal had their 30-day window to challenge the forfeiture (only the bank owning the loan on his Trump Tower condo is known to have contested the forfeiture, which means the government may already be irretrievably seizing $43 million of Manafort’s property).

Which brings us to the status report that Mueller’s team delayed long enough to get that open book test.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:05:02am

I see that dipshit Pete Herskith claimed that tear gassing people is just how the world works. Dude you work for a network that flipped its shit over two women kissing and used the kids as an excuse for your homophobia. Fucking fnc.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:09:38am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Mueller Just Guaranteed He Can Issue a Public Report (goes to emptywheel, more at the link):

Forgive me but… Where and when did Marcy Wheeler become a security expert? I’m really struggling with her “creds”.

Oops… Meeting started.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:16:17am

So Erickson was pushing US friendly dictatorships as a solution to what’s going on in Latin and South America. Yeah that’s a great way to get people to trust us there. Fucking pendejo. Then it again it comes from the same mindset that saw the Contras as the heirs to our founding fathers. We’re still not exactly trusted in Argentina because of our mostly the Reagan administration’s support for the junta there and Erickson finds helicopter jokes funny yet he acts all smugly anti abortion. Well Erick, they threw pregnant women out of those copters too. You’re a fucking bastard who knows nothing about Latin and South America.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:19:06am

re: #124 MsJ

Forgive me but… Where and when did Marcy Wheeler become a security expert? I’m really struggling with her “creds”.

Oops… Meeting started.

She’s not a security expert. She’s a journalist reporting on a legal case.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:19:37am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹

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I would add that Trump’s policies on trade really aren’t that different from what Bernie would have wanted to do. I really hope he doesn’t run and if he does run, someone pounces on the fact that Steve King once praised his record on immigration and he’s quite ineffective as well for someone who likely if he runs will be the second longest Congress tenured person and certainly will if Biden runs. Sanders and his supporters just don’t get it. You want to depress minority turnout in 2020? Have an even older white guy than Trump as our nominee with limited appeal who is just as grumpy and dismissive to criticism as Trump is. I’m sorry. Ideologically yeah there’s a good difference between Bernie and Trump but personality wise, they are way too close for comfort for me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:22:28am

FOX News Channel has still been off Twitter since November 8.

Did they move to Gab?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:23:41am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

I would add that Trump’s policies on trade really aren’t that different from what Bernie would have wanted to do. I really hope he doesn’t run and if he does run, someone pounces on the fact that Steve King once praised his record on immigration and he’s quite ineffective as well for someone who likely if he runs will be the second longest Congress tenured person and certainly will if Biden runs. Sanders and his supporters just don’t get it. You want to depress minority turnout in 2020? Have an even older white guy than Trump as our nominee with limited appeal who is just as grumpy and dismissive to criticism as Trump is. I’m sorry. Ideologically yeah there’s a good difference between Bernie and Trump but personality wise, they are way too close for comfort for me.

Sanders being nominated would just about guarantee the Republican wins, unless Kasich’s third party run steals votes from the GOP. Sanders has no appeal outside of the young, urban, white, leftie demographic. He would be the McGovern of the 21st century.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:24:20am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

She’s not a security expert. She’s a journalist reporting on a legal case.

She presents herself as a security expert.

As she was part of Jane Hamsher’s group, I take anything she says with a giant grain of salt.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:26:49am

re: #130 MsJ

She presents herself as a security expert.

As she was part of Jane Hamsher’s group, I take anything she says with a giant grain of salt.

Well, most of what people are reporting on what Mueller might do next is mostly reading tea leaves at this point; Mr. Mueller has been playing his cards very close to his vest.

As for Jane Hamsher, I don’t know who she is. (Not notable enough for Jimbo over at Wikipedia).

This guy’s a security expert though.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:29:08am

re: #129 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Sanders being nominated would just about guarantee the Republican wins, unless Kasich’s third party run steals votes from the GOP. Sanders has no appeal outside of the young, urban, white, leftie demographic. He would be the McGovern of the 21st century.

I think it would be a little closer but in any other time Bernie would be landslided. It just astounds me how I know Sanders supporters out there who are smart enough to see that not everything is economics in contrast to Bernie himself but who really think nominating a guy who will be fucking 80 in three years is a great idea and that’s not getting into his other flaws too. They love going over hypothetical polls that have Bernie ahead. The Republican opps machine hasn’t gone after Bernie yet. Hell the Clinton campaign went pretty easy on him in a way that I wouldn’t have. I would have gone after Bernie from the left to show his young supporters that he’s not the man he tells them he is. We need someone that actually understands race is a real issue in this country and not just a “distraction” and certainly not someone who excuses white people not voting for PoC as not being racist when that’s the definition of racist. I really hope Bernie is such a non-factor in 2020. He really is a recipe for at best a one term of not getting much done or if anything done reversed by a Republican president later.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:31:12am

I misspelt Jane Hamsher’s name in Wikipedia. After reading their entry, I still don’t know much about her, since I am not a movie buff and wasn’t on the Internet at the time she ran the various blogging platforms listed there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:37:49am

Well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:38:46am

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹

Well.

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Wow Flake appears to have done something other than being a grandstanding douche.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:41:43am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Wow Flake appears to have done something other than being a grandstanding douche.

Well, I suppose that depends on what happens next, since what I understand about Farr he is an awful nominee in any case.

Some pressure on Bob Corker, Lisa Murkowski, or Susan Collins would be nice. (My senators are hopeless.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:45:46am

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I suppose that depends on what happens next, since what I understand about Farr he is an awful nominee in any case.

Some pressure on Bob Corker, Lisa Murkowski, or Susan Collins would be nice. (My senators are hopeless.)

Yeah Farr is supposed to be particularly awful on civil rights and labor rights per the NAACP.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:46:13am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:46:36am

re: #115 MsJ

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But they’re #1 in Jay-Zuss!

Praise the Lawd!

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:47:41am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

Burn

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:47:57am

re: #130 MsJ

She presents herself as a security expert.

As she was part of Jane Hamsher’s group, I take anything she says with a giant grain of salt.

Yeah the old Firebaggers who were Berniebots before Bernie…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:50:02am

re: #141 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yeah the old Firebaggers who were Berniebots before Bernie…

Trying to remember them. I believe Jane was an Edwards supporter in 2008. Don’t remember too much about her and them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:51:04am

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹

I misspelt Jane Hamsher’s name in Wikipedia. After reading their entry, I still don’t know much about her, since I am not a movie buff and wasn’t on the Internet at the time she ran the various blogging platforms listed there.

try looking for firedoglake

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:54:41am
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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:55:04am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:55:36am

re: #144 Dave In Austin

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You helped to create this mess Frank.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:56:26am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

You helped to create this mess Frank.

He’s pulling a Cameron, post-Brexit referendum.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 5:57:31am

I actually didn’t know Jane was a film producer. Thought she was just a political junkie like Markos of Kos who I used to dislike but I appreciate now for both his innovation and that he’s more practical minded than I gave him credit for.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:04:08am

re: #64 Single-handed sailor

In Neuromancer, it was Chiba. If they ever make a movie, maybe they will move it to keep up with the times.

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:04:50am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area… Trump’s busy pumping out the lies this morning (same as always, but maybe sounding even more desperate as Mueller continues to outthink, outwork, and gut and filet Trumpworld’s cronies for flagrantly violating the law). That includes on what’s going on at the border, as well as trying to smear the aforementioned Mueller.

On the latter, that dog doesn’t hunt, since Mueller’s record is impressive - batting 1.000 on those caught in America with plea deals and convictions thus far. All signs point to the rest of Trumpworld being in jeopardy, including Trump himself.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:05:34am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:06:01am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

Well, most of what people are reporting on what Mueller might do next is mostly reading tea leaves at this point; Mr. Mueller has been playing his cards very close to his vest.

As for Jane Hamsher, I don’t know who she is. (Not notable enough for Jimbo over at Wikipedia).

This guy’s a security expert though.

Terrible, Angry Democrats, like Republicans Robert Mueller and James Comey.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:07:57am

Ugh this photo …

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:08:21am

re: #121 MsJ

HA!

And off to meetingland I go. Cheers all!

Snowflakey Trumpers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:09:18am

LOL

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:09:39am

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

FOX News Channel has still been off Twitter since November 8.

Did they move to Gab?

Maybe it’s all pay-for-streaming now. So cough up the moneys to read the thoughts of enlightened minds such as….Diamond and Silk.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:12:52am

LOL

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:15:08am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:15:15am

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

LOL

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Nah, you don’t have your own thoughts. You’re just a Millennial flavored Coulter. BTW Tomi, did your hero Rush ever move to Costa Rica like he promised he would in the Obama years or was he too scared of the brown people there and being a troll among beautiful people?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:15:58am

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹

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He was also elected to Congress there in 1986. Espy has more roots in Mississippi than I do in Virginia and if I were to run, no one would question my Virginia roots.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:17:46am

re: #60 Targetpractice

It seems somebody among the NYT editors decided that “Look at how many Trump supporters we can find in Appalachia” stories weren’t working anymore and chose to challenge themselves to finding “liberal” Trump supporters. And they succeeded by…finding the sort of people you find when lots of money is involved:

tl;dr, the Gray Lady hunted down a couple of star fuckers and social climbers who think money protects them from the sort of people that Trump’s political career is built upon. Why? Because they once tried to glom onto Hillary and a staffer stopped them, so they made a decision on Election Night ‘16 that they wanted to be with “winners” and jumped on the Trump bandwagon.

Can’t wait to see what these NYT articles look like during President Corey Booker’s second term: Look here at this gay Muslim immigrant who illegally voted for Obama twice then voted for DJT.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:24:35am

re: #161 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait to see what these NYT articles look like during President Corey Booker’s second term: Look here at this gay Muslim immigrant who illegally voted for Obama twice then voted for DJT.

Booker eh? Is that an endorsement :). I kid, kid. I like Booker too. He’s got a few things I don’t like but I like that he has some executive experience and I like him on CJ reform too.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:29:00am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:30:39am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Booker eh? Is that an endorsement :). I kid, kid. I like Booker too. He’s got a few things I don’t like but I like that he has some executive experience and I like him on CJ reform too.

Nah, just foolin.

I don’t have a preference at this point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:32:16am

how this is being reported in Turkey:

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:33:03am

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹

“I mean, is he even from Mississippi? And more important, he probably doesn’t even like me or think I’ve MAGA’d. Not like the candidate here who does like me, who thinks I’m the greatest, yeah, her, uh **looks at cue card for candidate name**..”

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:33:23am

re: #94 makeitstop

My old pal insomnia has come to pay a visit and fuck up my Tuesday. Lucky for me that I’ve got a light work load tomorrow.

I’ve been reading legal blogs and Twitter feeds about the ramifications of Mueller pulling Manafort’s plea deal for the past two hours, and there’s a lot of heavy speculation that Mueller knew all along that he was being lied to and let Manafort think he was getting away with it, and a particular point of interest is that the deal was not pulled until after Trump had submitted his written answers.

I’m kinda giddy at the thought of Manafort feeding Trump information that would implicate Trump in an obstruction rap, and all with Mueller’s full knowledge. It would be the maraschino cherry of stupid on top of the stupid sundae these clowns have been mixing up for two years.

yesterday the story came out that corsi rejected his plea deal
i suggested manafort and his lawyers were smarter than corsi and his team

maybe not so much…

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:36:34am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

She’s not a security expert. She’s a journalist reporting on a legal case.

Also a lawyer, IIRC.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:37:31am

Gateway Pundit, Other Idiots: Tear-Gassed Babies Were CRISIS ACTOR GEORGE SOROS FALSE FLAG! (Goes to Wonkette)

You guys, he has photos and they’re ANNOTATED.

For a bunch of tough-guy immigrant haters who think tear gassing immigrants is just peachy, the far right sure does hate the idea that anyone could feel sympathy for a bunch of dirty asylum seekers. You’d think they’d have the courage of their convictions and be delighted to see a woman and her children getting tear-gassed for the crime of fleeing gang violence in Honduras, but instead, some of the top minds in the rightwing crazysphere have decided it simply makes more sense to deny that anyone worth empathy actually suffered at all in Sunday’s tear gas attack at the border. So now the Brain Cell Trust at Gateway Pundit can tell you the real truth: That photo by Reuters photographer Kim Kyung-Hoon was actually staged, because that’s just how evil liberals are, making a tear gas attack appear to have affected children (who aren’t really in any danger anyway since all asylum claims are also fake).

In a piece written by Joe Hoft, the Stupidest Brother of the Stupidest Man on the Internet, we learn that in reality, everything is fakey fake fake because some dipshit on Twitter says so.

Guardians of the Galaxy - I’m going to die surrounded by idiots

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:38:56am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

the Brain Cell Trust at Gateway Pundit

Heh, indeedy.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:39:09am

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹

Is there video of migrants hurling projectiles? I only see Border Agents tear gassing women and children.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:40:20am

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump can’t unilaterally change asylum laws.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:40:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:41:53am

re: #172 Patricia Kayden

Trump can’t unilaterally change asylum laws.

he thinks he can

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:46:09am

re: #171 Patricia Kayden

Is there video of migrants hurling projectiles? I only see Border Agents tear gassing women and children.

Well, CBP said four agents were hit by rocks, but no one was injured because they were wearing protective gear. Last night of course the way Trump told it, they were using RPGs and tanks to storm the border with many CPB injuries (well, the RPGs and tanks are a bit of an exaggeration on my part).

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:49:30am

Whoa.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:53:19am

Are we tired of winning?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:53:54am

Anti-vaxxers’ gift to North Carolina: The worst chicken pox outbreak in two decades

In 1995, the chicken pox vaccine was introduced, but that important leap in science wasn’t enough to stop the worst outbreak of the disease North Carolina has seen in a long time — and it’s all thanks to people who hold some tremendous misgivings about the efficacy and safety of vaccines.

The Asheville Waldorf School in Asheville, N.C. now has a total of 36 children who’ve been infected with chicken pox, making it the worst outbreak the state has seen since the vaccine was made available to the public 23 years ago.

As The Washington Post points out, the school has become a stronghold for parents who refuse to vaccinate their children. In a statement to a local public radio station, the school seemed to be enabling the “choice” concept utilized by anti-vaxxers.

^snip^

Out of Asheville’s 152 students (who range from nursery school to the 6th grade), 110 have not been vaccinated for chicken pox, according to the Citizen Times. Given that fact, it’s logical to assume that these children haven’t been vaccinated for other illnesses. One way for parents to get around district vaccination requirements is to obtain religious exemptions, and Asheville had a lot of them. During the 2017-18 school year, 19 of 28 kindergartners obtained exemptions from at least one required vaccine.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:54:45am

re: #163 Dave In Austin

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avoidance is the best prevention

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:56:32am

re: #166 Sir John Barron

“I mean, is he even from Mississippi? And more important, he probably doesn’t even like me or think I’ve MAGA’d. Not like the candidate here who does like me, who thinks I’m the greatest, yeah, her, uh **looks at cue card for candidate name**..”

And oh yeah she’s great on the second amendment, border, second amendment, & veterans just like everyone else I support.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:57:12am

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t it Romney who said, “Let Detroit go bankrupt?” Republicans don’t care about inner cities.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 6:58:34am

re: #181 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t it Romney who said, “Let Detroit go bankrupt?” Republicans don’t care about inner cities.

Yep.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:01:02am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

Well, CBP said four agents were hit by rocks, but no one was injured because they were wearing protective gear. Last night of course the way Trump told it, they were using RPGs and tanks to storm the border with many CPB injuries (well, the RPGs and tanks are a bit of an exaggeration on my part).

Border Patrol commissioner contradicts Trump’s claim that agents were ‘very badly hurt’ by rock-throwing migrants

President Donald Trump told the White House press pool Monday that three Border Patrol agents were hurt by migrants throwing rocks and stones at them — just as the agency’s commissioner denied that anyone had been injured.

i just dont know who to believe anymore //

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:01:10am

re: #171 Patricia Kayden

Is there video of migrants hurling projectiles? I only see Border Agents tear gassing women and children.

They’ll find video. Even if it’s Palestinians.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:10:00am

re: #17 jaunte

Ya know, Paulie Manafort May have been coordinating his ‘cooperation’ with the White House so his answers and Trump’s written answers in synch.

If that’s the case, Mueller just waited until Trump played his half of the perjury conspiracy to pull the rug out from beneath both.

maybe one of these days I’ll stop being a sucker and not read all the Mueller speculation - after all they are brilliantly tight-lipped.

not today

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:11:54am

re: #185 dangerman

maybe one of these days I’ll stop being a sucker and not read all the Mueller speculation - after all they are brilliantly tight-lipped.

not today

Have to admit I’ve stopped caring about Manafort and all the rest of them. Yes, in a normal world, the lying and conviction of the POTUS’ former campaign manager would be a thing. Just give me the main target, which we know about already.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:14:44am

re: #186 Sir John Barron

Have to admit I’ve stopped caring about Manafort and all the rest of them. Yes, in a normal world, the lying and conviction of the POTUS’ former campaign manager would be a thing. Just give me the main target, which we know about already.

I think they would too but they know they have to make the dominoes fall to get Trump. Think about how the Mafia was prosecuted. We need to find a Sammy Gravano type to Trump’s Gotti.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:14:50am

re: #186 Sir John Barron

Have to admit I’ve stopped caring about Manafort and all the rest of them. Yes, in a normal world, the lying and conviction of the POTUS’ former campaign manager would be a thing. Just give me the main target, which we know about already.

Mueller knows that he has to have every t crossed and every i dotted, as he will be assaulted and taken to task at every turn.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:17:40am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mueller knows that he has to have every t crossed and every i dotted, as he will be assaulted and taken to task at every turn.

Exactly, just like prosecuting a Mafia Don, while it is a Mafia Don here too hahaha.

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:17:42am

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I suppose that depends on what happens next, since what I understand about Farr he is an awful nominee in any case.

Some pressure on Bob Corker, Lisa Murkowski, or Susan Collins would be nice. (My senators are hopeless.)

And Tim Scott. (he normally supports Trump’s policies and judges… but on judges he does have one particular area of non-support. and Farr falls directly into that area.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:18:12am

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Anti-vaxxers’ gift to North Carolina: The worst chicken pox outbreak in two decades

Deadstate recommends another article from October, on a tape of the GOP candidate for Conn. Governor:

GOP candidate for governor: We shouldn’t be vaccinating kids ‘for no reason’

These anti-science mooks are trying to get us killed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:18:29am

re: #190 sagehen

And Tim Scott. (he normally supports Trump’s policies and judges… but on judges he does have one particular area of non-support. and Farr falls directly into that area.)

Good catch. Scott is usually a firm Trump vote but on this subject he will oppose Republican bigotry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:20:04am

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹

Deadstate recommends another article from October, on a tape of the GOP candidate for Conn. Governor:

GOP candidate for governor: We shouldn’t be vaccinating kids ‘for no reason’

These anti-science mooks are trying to get us killed.

What other reason do you vaccinate your kids? You don’t vaccine them because they get sick. You vaccinate them so they don’t get sick, that’s the only reason to get a vaccine and it’s a damn good reason. The right’s trend into loud anti-vaccination hysteria is a funny one though there is a loud part of the left weird on that shit too but they never had one of their own as President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:22:42am

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹

Deadstate recommends another article from October, on a tape of the GOP candidate for Conn. Governor:

GOP candidate for governor: We shouldn’t be vaccinating kids ‘for no reason’

These anti-science mooks are trying to get us killed.

We have an odd overlap of Wingnuts who are anti-science and anti-big government finding common cause with woo-woo moonbats who are anti-Western medicine and anti-big pharma.

And something like that is just too juicy for the Russian bots to leave uncultivated as well.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:24:09am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

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Bull Cuomo. The little Nazi wannabes that fired that gas need to be told the truth - that they have committed crimes against humanity and that they will be held accountable. At this point they are only guilty of low level crimes that are punishable by prison but if they are not held accountable they will not stop. We can not wait until we are punishing a new generation of camp guards for murder.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:25:47am

re: #195 William Lewis

Bull Cuomo. The little Nazi wannabes that fired that gas need to be told the truth - that they have committed crimes against humanity and that they will be held accountable. At this point they are only guilty of low level crimes that are punishable by prison but if they are not held accountable they will not stop. We can not wait util we are punishing a new generation of camp guards for murder.

That is a minor squabble and not really relevant to the crisis at hand. It is the people who gave the orders who must be put behind bars first.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:27:25am

Wow, she’s working really hard to grab the horrible human brass ring.

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:28:09am

re: #183 dangerman

Border Patrol commissioner contradicts Trump’s claim that agents were ‘very badly hurt’ by rock-throwing migrants

i just dont know who to believe anymore //

Well, I think it’s obvious who not to believe…..

Amazing: I wonder if anyone has made a list (I imagine it would be quite a long one) of Trump’s public claims/statements that have been publicly contradicted - and likely, truthfully - by other government officials.

re: #161 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait to see what these NYT articles look like during President Corey Booker’s second term: Look here at this gay Muslim immigrant who illegally voted for Obama twice then voted for DJT.

Although in a rare bit of actually relevant bothsiderism, the NYT did publish this Op-Ed piece
re the affluent gay Trumprrhoids, with the succinct title:

Maybe They’re Just Bad People

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Targetpractice  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:28:14am

re: #181 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t it Romney who said, “Let Detroit go bankrupt?” Republicans don’t care about inner cities.

Speaking of which, I checked in on Freepers last night to see how they were responding. General sentiment? “GOOD! THIS IS WHAT THEY GET FOR TAKING OBAMA’S BAILOUT!!!” My favorites are the ones who try to act like GM wasn’t pumping out shitty products before the bailout.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:29:38am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is a minor squabble and not really relevant to the crisis at hand. It is the people who gave the orders who must be put behind bars first.

And even without the tear gas, firing across the border is an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation.

At the point the gas was fired over the border, none of those people had broken any US laws. None.

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Targetpractice  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:30:02am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, she’s working really hard to grab the horrible human brass ring.

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She’s really putting on display that love of humanity that got her the job as “Bleach Blond #4” on Faux.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:32:34am

re: #198 Jay C

Well, I think it’s obvious who not to believe…..

Amazing: I wonder if anyone has made a list (I imagine it would be quite a long one) of Trump’s public claims/statements that have been publicly contradicted - and likely, truthfully - by other government officials.

Yes, the Toronto Star is keeping a searchable list, updated as new ones come in.

projects.thestar.com

They call them “false things” because in some cases it’s impossible to tell if Trump is lying or he truly believes a thing which is false.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:33:20am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

He was also elected to Congress there in 1986. Espy has more roots in Mississippi than I do in Virginia and if I were to run, no one would question my Virginia roots.

But Espy still DOES NOT FIT in Mississippi.

Nod, nod, wink, wink.

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:34:08am

re: #198 Jay C

Amazing: I wonder if anyone has made a list (I imagine it would be quite a long one) of Trump’s public claims/statements that have been publicly contradicted - and likely, truthfully - by other government officials.

Daniel Dale from the Toronto Star has made it his mission.

And he does it for free.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:36:22am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, she’s working really hard to grab the horrible human brass ring.

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Yeah Tomi people should be teargassed for misdemeanors. I’ll remember that the next time you complain about being talked to rudely when you get caught speeding by the arresting officer. Oh and btw, you have to be inside our borders to apply for asylum. Despite what idiots like you who don’t know immigration law from your right asshole, you have to be in our border to apply for asylum and your orange prick won’t let them do that. He’s breaking the law not them. Go back to the Dakotas and stay there because not only are you a hateful person, you’re a profoundly stupid person.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:37:20am

re: #203 ObserverArt

But Espy still DOES NOT FIT in Mississippi.

Nod, nod, wink, wink.

Yeah I know. Watch the GOP claim they meant as a former Clinton cabinet member. No way, Trump’s not that clever to think of something that abstract.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:40:52am

Sadly, what’s her name is ahead in the polls against Espy: dailykos.com. It will just take getting a whole lot of Democrats to the polls.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:41:50am

PREPARE YOURSELVES!

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:42:56am

Mark Summer makes an interesting point: Manafort’s “plea” deal may have been done to purposefully give Mueller false information in order to mess up the investigation. The thing he and Trump wasn’t counting on was Mueller having other information to compare to.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:43:17am

re: #207 Belafon

Sadly, what’s her name is ahead in the polls against Espy: dailykos.com. It will just take getting a whole lot of Democrats to the polls.

Hopefully black women save the day again like they did against Moore.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:44:19am

re: #209 Belafon

Mark Summer makes an interesting point: Manafort’s “plea” deal may have been done to purposefully give Mueller false information in order to mess up the investigation. The thing he and Trump wasn’t counting on was Mueller having other information to compare to.

So basically they tried to O’Keefe the guy who got the Gambinos and Lockerbie bomber. As Deepthroat said, these guys aren’t very bright.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:45:26am
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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:45:59am

re: #181 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t it Romney who said, “Let Detroit go bankrupt?” Republicans don’t care about inner cities.

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Yep.

In honor of his father. /

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:46:37am

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹

Well.

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Wow, Flake didn’t flake. Amazing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:47:37am

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:48:09am

So, today is apparently my favorite day of the year - National Electric Guitar Day!

No one told me what time the parade kicks off or when the gifts are handed out. But I am waiting for USPS to deliver an electric guitar today, so I guess it all works out.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:48:31am

Of Course Fake AG Matt Whitaker Ran A Daycare With NO TOYS (Wonkette)

Whitaker’s resume is high on scam but low on credentials. He’s boasted of valuable experience from owning several small businesses — one of which was the Little Endeavors daycare center in his hometown of Ankeny, Iowa. From 2003 to 2005, people willingly entrusted their kids to someone with more than a passing resemblance to Lex Luthor. Still, this is certainly solid PR for Whitaker, right? How can you not respect and admire someone who works with children? Well, it’s actually pretty easy if they suck at it and have no soul.

The Associated Press obtained 49 pages of complaints and inspection records covering Whitaker’s ownership under the Iowa open records law. They paint a mostly positive picture of Little Endeavors but also show persistent concerns about a shortage of toys and supplies in some rooms and occasionally serious safety incidents.

(more)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:48:51am

re: #213 ObserverArt

In honor of his father. /

That’s another reason he disgraced his father’s memory aside from the chickenshit on civil rights. George Romney cared about Detroit. I think even the UAW men he would have spared with would agree with him on that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:49:09am

re: #214 Eventual Carrion

Wow, Flake didn’t flake. Amazing.

Not yet, anyway. We’ll have to see what happens with the actual vote.

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nines09  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:49:21am

Hello.
I am very familiar with the Lordstown Ohio GM plant. When I was hauling cars back in the late 70’s I picked up there quite often. Operating out of Lewiston NY, it is the only remaining plant from my days hauling. Baltimore, Wilmington De, Linden NJ, Tarrytown NY all shuttered. Oshawa delivered to Wellesly Island NY and Lewistown which were rail heads. They shutter Lordstown GM, that will kill that area. It sits in Trumbull county, which BTW…… What Republican Donald Trump did in Trumbull County and nearly pulled off in Mahoning County hasn’t been done in 88 years.
Talk about buyers remorse. I imagine there are a lot of very upset people. It isn’t like that part of the world has a surplus of jobs that pay as well as GM does.
I find no joy in any of it.

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:50:05am

re: #209 Belafon

Mark Summer makes an interesting point: Manafort’s “plea” deal may have been done to purposefully give Mueller false information in order to mess up the investigation. The thing he and Trump wasn’t counting on was Mueller having other information to compare to.

I’ve seen a take from the other end of the telescope - that Mueller knew Manafort was lying, but played dumb in order to mess up Trump’s open book test.

Needless to say, I like that take a lot better. :)

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:50:16am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:50:30am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

This wasn’t just a one-off thing. Inspectors reported a shortage of play items during visits in 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2012. In 2009, an inspector observed children “just wandering around the room as if they were looking for something to do.” That’s fine if you’re an adult like Mike Pence but children need stimulation.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:52:17am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I think they would too but they know they have to make the dominoes fall to get Trump. Think about how the Mafia was prosecuted. We need to find a Sammy Gravano type to Trump’s Gotti.

I’m hoping Rick Gates is taking on a bit of that role in the Mueller investigations.

Remember a few weeks back it came out he is still working with Mueller on several new areas of investigation. That was connected to Gates and his continued help in these investigations.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:54:21am

re: #145 lawhawk

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Why wasn’t this disclosed to congress?? What else isn’t it telling us?

To use a technical term, I would guess “a shit ton”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:55:08am

re: #225 Eventual Carrion

To use a technical term, I would guess “a shit ton”.

is that metric or imperial or US?

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:56:57am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

is that metric or imperial or US?

I AM LIVID

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:57:02am

re: #198 Jay C

Well, I think it’s obvious who not to believe…..

Amazing: I wonder if anyone has made a list (I imagine it would be quite a long one) of Trump’s public claims/statements that have been publicly contradicted - and likely, truthfully - by other government officials.

Although in a rare bit of actually relevant bothsiderism, the NYT did publish this Op-Ed piece
re the affluent gay Trumprrhoids, with the succinct title:

Maybe They’re Just Bad People

wapo’s been on it:

Trump’s tsunami of untruths helped push the count in The Fact Checker’s database past 5,000 on the 601st day of his presidency

as for the NYT, i’d have left out the “Maybe”. though for them, baby steps…

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:57:40am

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

And even without the tear gas, firing across the border is an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation.

At the point the gas was fired over the border, none of those people had broken any US laws. None.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 7:58:00am

re: #224 ObserverArt

I’m hoping Rick Gates is taking on a bit of that role in the Mueller investigations.

Remember a few weeks back it came out he is still working with Mueller on several new areas of investigation. That was connected to Gates and his continued help in these investigations.

Yeah and I’m sure some other smaller fish are too. I think they ultimately got Gravano when Gotti was recorded talking shit about him persoanlly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:00:12am

re: #227 makeitstop

I AM LIVID

TIME TO TAKE A FUCKING WALK!!!

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:02:35am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

TIME TO TAKE A FUCKING WALK!!!

I was dying reading that thread last night. By the time he got to the hundredweight I was dead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:03:04am

re: #232 makeitstop

I was dying reading that thread last night. By the time he got to the hundredweight I was dead.

me, too

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:03:05am

re: #207 Belafon

Sadly, what’s her name is ahead in the polls against Espy: dailykos.com. It will just take getting a whole lot of Democrats to the polls.

- hyde-smith will likely win - that’s a numbers thing
- no republicans, local, state, or national have or will condemn or even call out her racist statements
- the only thing that matters is the “R”

- the republicans, local, state, and national are tacitly supporting an unapologetic, more or less open racist for the US senate
- and that is why there can be no doubt that republicans, local, state, and national are, in fact, racists

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:04:18am

re: #208 Ace-o-aces

Now that Manafort has been linked to Assange, it’s now only a matter of time until Chuck C. Johnson gets brought into this mess. Ya’ll been warned.

PREPARE YOURSELVES!

im fine as long as there are no pictures. i hate his mug and the make america kittens again doesnt recognize his face for substitution

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:05:36am

re: #214 Eventual Carrion

Wow, Flake didn’t flake. Amazing.

yet.

it’s early

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:06:41am

‘Tubular Bells’ is such a weird album. It’s playing on the radio as I type this.

Tubular Bells (The Original Remastered)

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:07:36am

Curious. I got a letter from the state Rural Water Association seeking job applications for a “circuit rider” trainer for water operators in the Nebraska Panhandle. They invited me to send in a résumé.

I don’t meet the state’s qualifications though—insufficient time licensed and my epilepsy is a disqualification. Other than those, I meet all the other requirements.

I suppose I ought to call them up and tell them I can’t do the work. I’m unsure why they sent this pitch to me though.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:08:38am

re: #207 Belafon

Sadly, what’s her name is ahead in the polls against Espy: dailykos.com. It will just take getting a whole lot of Democrats to the polls.

Last I heard she is up 7 points. Trump won the state by 30+.

Espy may not win, but there is a big change going on. There are going to be a lot of close elections in red states the next few elections.

And I am not giving up on Espy…I think there are still chances he can win. I understand there is a huge interest in the Black population of the state to surprise pollsters.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:09:57am

re: #199 Targetpractice

Speaking of which, I checked in on Freepers last night to see how they were responding. General sentiment? “GOOD! THIS IS WHAT THEY GET FOR TAKING OBAMA’S BAILOUT!!!” My favorites are the ones who try to act like GM wasn’t pumping out shitty products before the bailout.

MAGA but not for anybody who took Obama’s bailout or healthcare or who voted for Obama or for who didn’t vote R for Congress this year.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:10:42am

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:11:15am

re: #216 makeitstop

So, today is apparently my favorite day of the year - National Electric Guitar Day!

No one told me what time the parade kicks off or when the gifts are handed out. But I am waiting for USPS to deliver an electric guitar today, so I guess it all works out.

Uh oh…what did you buy now?

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:11:20am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is a minor squabble and not really relevant to the crisis at hand. It is the people who gave the orders who must be put behind bars first.

I disagree. Both those who give illegal orders and those who follow them must be held accountable at the same time. If those who give the orders find themselves with noone left willing to obey?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:11:39am

re: #199 Targetpractice

Speaking of which, I checked in on Freepers last night to see how they were responding. General sentiment? “GOOD! THIS IS WHAT THEY GET FOR TAKING OBAMA’S BAILOUT!!!” My favorites are the ones who try to act like GM wasn’t pumping out shitty products before the bailout.

and not just shitty automotive products, their financial division, GMAC, was issuing shitty loans right and left so people could afford to buy their shitty products and then bundling them as securities…

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:14:23am

re: #220 nines09

The only high paying jobs left there will be those selling meth and opiods to the ones who prefer self medicating instead of moving to where the jobs are.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:14:47am

re: #243 William Lewis

I disagree. Both those who give illegal orders and those who follow them must be held accountable at the same time. If those who give the orders find themselves with noone left willing to obey?

Exactly.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:15:14am

re: #220 nines09

Hello.
I am very familiar with the Lordstown Ohio GM plant. When I was hauling cars back in the late 70’s I picked up there quite often. Operating out of Lewiston NY, it is the only remaining plant from my days hauling. Baltimore, Wilmington De, Linden NJ, Tarrytown NY all shuttered. Oshawa delivered to Wellesly Island NY and Lewistown which were rail heads. They shutter Lordstown GM, that will kill that area. It sits in Trumbull county, which BTW…… What Republican Donald Trump did in Trumbull County and nearly pulled off in Mahoning County hasn’t been done in 88 years.
Talk about buyers remorse. I imagine there are a lot of very upset people. It isn’t like that part of the world has a surplus of jobs that pay as well as GM does.
I find no joy in any of it.

More rust for The Rust Belt.

The Trump voters in that part of Ohio didn’t like Hillary telling them the truth and trying to show them a way for the future.

They bought the easy lies of Trump and now they face a bad future.

I hope some of them are realizing they were flat out taken for fools. It’s a hard thing to accept, but fools they were.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:15:47am

re: #222 Ace-o-aces

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And clean the kitty litter box for Jules.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:16:17am

re: #238 Anymouse 🌹

Curious. I got a letter from the state Rural Water Association seeking job applications for a “circuit rider” trainer for water operators in the Nebraska Panhandle. They invited me to send in a résumé.

I don’t meet the state’s qualifications though—insufficient time licensed and my epilepsy is a disqualification. Other than those, I meet all the other requirements.

I suppose I ought to call them up and tell them I can’t do the work. I’m unsure why they sent this pitch to me though.

Give it a try anyway. I don’t imagine they have many applicants.

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nines09  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:17:26am

re: #245 William Lewis

The only high paying jobs left there will be those selling meth and opiods to the ones who prefer self medicating instead of moving to where the jobs are.

You cannot always move. Many people live from hand to mouth, have bills, family and responsibilities.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:18:01am

re: #238 Anymouse 🌹

Government job? Or at least working with government? There are waivers for anything. Go for it.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:18:31am

Erick Erickson drops the false “Moderate Conservative” face, shows his true fascist self.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:18:33am

re: #249 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Give it a try anyway. I don’t imagine they have many applicants.

Why not. The worst they can say is “no.”

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:19:21am

re: #237 makeitstop

‘Tubular Bells’ is such a weird album. It’s playing on the radio as I type this.

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earlier? yesterday? teleskiguy posted delaney and bonnie doing “goin down the road”

i have an old copy they did with duane allman - it’s on Skydog

such an old traditional that so many folks have done it
so i went down a rabbit hole and i’ve been playing every version i can find.

next: Freeborn Man

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:20:31am

re: #252 DodgerFan1988

Erick Erickson drops the false “Moderate Conservative” face, shows his true fascist self.

He did that yesterday when he was calling for Pinochet-style “helicopter rides.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:21:41am

re: #247 ObserverArt

More rust for The Rust Belt.

The Trump voters in that part of Ohio didn’t like Hillary telling them the truth and trying to show them a way for the future.

They bought the easy lies of Trump and now they face a bad future.

I hope some of them are realizing they were flat out taken for fools. It’s a hard thing to accept, but fools they were.

The voters may have been taken for fools but the media was complicit by failing to provide sufficient and consistent information to the average person. When “serious” platforms spend every day talking about emails, but have only one article discussing Don the Con’s flaws, it’s easy for people to be overwhelmed. Look at the recent detailed report from the NY Times on Don’s finances. Did they have any consistent followup? Daily reminders? I don’t think so.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:21:51am

re: #250 nines09

You cannot always move. Many people live from hand to mouth, have bills, family and responsibilities.

Trust me, I am all to aware of that as I stay in a near jobless region (thanks Scott Walker! Spit!) to be near my son. But in the end the only ones making money there will be via this:

THEORY - Rx (Medicate) [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

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nines09  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:22:19am

re: #247 ObserverArt

I am still upset with what I saw on my street. Heard fall from the mouths of people I thought I knew. I joked that I was in the wrong business. I should be selling snake oil, there is a great market for it.
Rent to own, bank and lending fuckery, rollback of consumer protections and the non stop bullshit sold via AM radio and TV.
Trump was a TV personality to many. His bluster and recognition to many people was a sell. It’s the fucking of a century.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:22:53am

re: #252 DodgerFan1988

The United States needs to get its hands dirty in Central and South America to find solutions to stop the caravans.
— Erick Erickson

True, the last caravan has forced innocent border patrol to fire tear gas at “families and children”, probably paid by George Soros and Beto ORourke.

/

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:22:56am

re: #252 DodgerFan1988

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Erick Erickson drops the false “Moderate Conservative” face, shows his true fascist self.

He also thinks tossing people including pregnant women out of helicopters is funny.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:25:43am

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

The voters may have been taken for fools but the media was complicit by failing to provide sufficient and consistent information to the average person. When “serious” platforms spend every day talking about emails, but have only one article discussing Don the Con’s flaws, it’s easy for people to be overwhelmed. Look at the recent detailed report from the NY Times on Don’s finances. Did they have any consistent followup? Daily reminders? I don’t think so.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:25:49am

re: #60 Targetpractice

How a Liberal Gay Couple Became Two of N.Y.’s Biggest Trump Supporters nytimes.com

— NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) November 26, 2018

The librul NYT pulling out bullshit stories like this but avoid headlines like: Dems popular vote victory margin in midterms approaches 9 million.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:27:22am
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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:27:54am

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

The voters may have been taken for fools but the media was complicit by failing to provide sufficient and consistent information to the average person. When “serious” platforms spend every day talking about emails, but have only one article discussing Don the Con’s flaws, it’s easy for people to be overwhelmed. Look at the recent detailed report from the NY Times on Don’s finances. Did they have any consistent followup? Daily reminders? I don’t think so.

Fools do not educate themselves, they let those platforms do their thinking for them.

That is the single biggest reason we got Trump. No one bothered to check into his past. And the really foolish thing is that past is well documented so learning it would have been quick and easy.

Fools also delude themselves. It is a huge part of being a fool.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:28:14am

Whoops… .

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:29:05am

re: #264 ObserverArt

Fools do not educate themselves, they let those platforms do their thinking for them.

That is the single biggest reason we got Trump. No one bothered to check into his past. And the really foolish thing is that past is well documented so learning it would have been quick and easy.

Fools also delude themselves. It is a huge part of being a fool.

I didn’t know much about Trump at all until late in the election.

What I did know was “Republican” and that was enough for me.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:29:35am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

He also thinks tossing people including pregnant women out of helicopters is funny.

Native Americans 1607-1620: We may have to get our hands dirty dealing with these boats full of invaders.

/

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:29:40am

re: #262 Dr. Matt

The librul NYT pulling out bullshit stories like this but avoid headlines like: Dems popular vote victory in midterms approaches 9 million.

Seriously. We flipped three CDs here in Virginia alone but a couple who from what I’ve read were peeved that it took a while to get in touch with Chelsea Clinton, a person most of us wouldn’t be in touch with anyhow and somehow got charmed by Trump “picking up the phone immediately” actually erasing the fact that he’s a homophobic hateful racist troll.

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:30:42am

re: #242 ObserverArt

Uh oh…what did you buy now?

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:31:41am

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹

I didn’t know much about Trump at all until late in the election.

What I did know was “Republican” and that was enough for me.

You still got there though and that is the key point.

Add in your knowledge of Republicanism and you knew something was up with the guy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:31:50am

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹

I didn’t know much about Trump at all until late in the election.

What I did know was “Republican” and that was enough for me.

He was a staple of cameo movie appearances in my childhood: HOme Alone 2, Little Rascals, and constantly spoofed so I knew who he was and also since my Aunt worked at a Trump brand hotel- she it turns out hates him so that’s good. I think there really though was nothing at all done by Trump supporters to educate themselves about him. He didn’t just appear out of nowhere.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:33:00am

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

1. Didn’t happen; false flag
2. Manafort wasn’t campaign manager then
3. OK they met but only to talk about Russian adoptions.
4. OK they met and colluded to steal emails, so what, if Hillary would have followed the law or gone to jail none of this would have been necessary.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:33:00am

re: #270 ObserverArt

You still got there though and that is the key point.

Add in your knowledge of Republicanism and you knew something was up with the guy.

I personally think they didn’t want to know anything more about him. They just heard “successful businessman” and took him at his word as they drank Smirnoff vodka with their Omaha steak watching the NFL.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:33:27am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

Native Americans 1607-1620: We may have to get our hands dirty dealing with these boats full of invaders.

/

Did I ever tell you the story about the snake?

Said the Pilgrim to the native…

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:34:53am

One of my two useless senators, bellyaching about something which is not a thing.

Sasse: Jesse Kelly and I disagree but larger trend of ‘de-platforming’ is dangerous (The Hill)

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) on Monday said that though he and former GOP congressional candidate Jesse Kelly disagree on many things, he considers Kelly’s Twitter ban to be part of a larger, dangerous pattern of “de-platforming.”

Kelly, who hosts a conservative radio show in Houston, had his Twitter account permanently suspended for unspecified reasons over the weekend, creating a wave of backlash among conservatives.

Sasse on Monday tweeted that the move by Twitter and other similar moves by other social media companies is “a bad precedent for our free speech society.”

History major doesn’t understand free speech defined in the Constitution because speaking the truth about it would be inconvenient for his political career… .

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:36:10am

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

Whoops… .

Erick Erickson

@EWErickson
Just some advice to live by — don’t try backing out of your garage with the door down. 😬

if you cant navigate your own damn garage, what’s your foreign policy ‘expertise’ worth?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:36:53am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I personally think they didn’t want to know anything more about him. They just heard “successful businessman” and took him at his word as they drank Smirnoff vodka with their Omaha steak watching the NFL.

Well, the Republican Party has been pushing for decades the idea on the voters “we need a businessman” (not a woman) “in the White House.”

Trump was sold as a businessman, both by his television show and by the GOP.

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:38:21am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:39:07am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Seriously. We flipped three CDs here in Virginia alone but a couple who from what I’ve read were peeved that it took a while to get in touch with Chelsea Clinton, a person most of us wouldn’t be in touch with anyhow and somehow got charmed by Trump “picking up the phone immediately” actually erasing the fact that he’s a homophobic hateful racist troll.

Hateful racist troll, yes. But I don’t think homophobic. Pence yes, but Trump? Do you really think he actually cares about these issues? I doubt that he has any personal animosity toward gays or transgendered; Pence and Trump’s base may, but Trump himself? OTOH, the couple may become disillusioned if they discover that the Trump tax cut actually increases their taxes.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:40:10am

re: #269 makeitstop

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:41:24am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

One of my two useless senators, bellyaching about something which is not a thing.

Sasse: Jesse Kelly and I disagree but larger trend of ‘de-platforming’ is dangerous (The Hill)

History major doesn’t understand free speech defined in the Constitution because speaking the truth about it would be inconvenient for his political career… .

Ben. you’re an Ivy League guy. You ought to know by now that commercial radio isn’t the government so it’s really not a free speech issue. If I were to get a job on a commercial radio station in Nebraska and I said nothing but Communist propaganda, you would want me off the air. So why should this guy be any different? Because you think conservatives like you are persecuted? Get back to me when he’s fined or put in jail for his beliefs. Until then focus on being a Senator rather than a Titfish.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:42:04am

re: #272 Sir John Barron

1. Didn’t happen; false flag
2. Manafort wasn’t campaign manager then
3. OK they met but only to talk about Russian adoptions.
4. OK they met and colluded to steal emails, so what, if Hillary would have followed the law or gone to jail none of this would have been necessary.

and per bob goodlatte, pay no attention to ivanka: cnn via the hill

“When things like this come up, it’s important people understand, they need to make sure they’re doing what they can. And it’s awfully tough, as everyone knows, when you’re sending emails about a lot of different things to make sure that you’re doing it according to the rules in the White House or wherever you’re doing it.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:42:49am

re: #279 Hecuba’s daughter

Hateful racist troll, yes. But I don’t think homophobic. Pence yes, but Trump? Do you really think he actually cares about these issues? I doubt that he has any personal animosity toward gays or transgendered; Pence and Trump’s base may, but Trump himself? OTOH, the couple may become disillusioned if they discover that the Trump tax cut actually increases their taxes.

I’ve had this discussion before in regards to George Wallace and segregation, I firmly believe anyone who uses homophobic rhetoric or is at least indifferent to it in his rise to power is no different from the person who is a true believer like Pence. And Trump while maybe not as hostile to gays as Pence is also transphobic.

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bd(soros funded)  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:44:05am

NO REAL COLLUSION!!! SOMEWHAT OF A WITCH HUNT!!

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:44:32am

re: #280 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:44:41am

“Everyone should say what they want without repercussions.” Same people “Also those NFL players protesting during the anthem should be fired!” Free speech is only about the government. This guy that Sasse is championing doesn’t have a constiutional right to a commercial platform saying his views. What he has a right to do is saying them without fear of the government punishing him and his employer ain’t the government so Sasse can shut it.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:44:46am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

Well, the Republican Party has been pushing for decades the idea on the voters “we need a businessman” (not a woman) “in the White House.”

Trump was sold as a businessman, both by his television show and by the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:45:59am

re: #287 dangerman

Every bought he was a successful businessman but as I got at, we’re not exactly using his products in 273.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:46:13am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

One of my two useless senators, bellyaching about something which is not a thing.

Sasse: Jesse Kelly and I disagree but larger trend of ‘de-platforming’ is dangerous (The Hill)

History major doesn’t understand free speech defined in the Constitution because speaking the truth about it would be inconvenient for his political career… .

I find Sasse to be a huge fake. He is as empty a suit as Rubio, as flakey as Flake and as full of deceptive shit as McConnell.

So many of the younger Republicans have grown up under some real slime and are taking on slimy politics as if it was the way to do things.

There sure are not a lot of good Republican politicians to model. Reagan on…that is what they have learned.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:47:10am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

Well, the Republican Party has been pushing for decades the idea on the voters “we need a businessman” (not a woman) “in the White House.”

Trump was sold as a businessman, both by his television show and by the GOP.

Oh I know but as I slyly got at there (note the naming of common products or entities that have been successful unlike Trump’s brand stuff.”) Granted Trump didn’t “own” the USFL but alot of people fault him for its failngs.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:47:51am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

One of my two useless senators, bellyaching about something which is not a thing.

Sasse: Jesse Kelly and I disagree but larger trend of ‘de-platforming’ is dangerous (The Hill)

History major doesn’t understand free speech defined in the Constitution because speaking the truth about it would be inconvenient for his political career… .

So Twitter has actually done something useful for once. It’s always a surprise when they decide to take action against someone pushing right-wing propaganda.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:48:24am

re: #284 bd(soros funded)

NO REAL COLLUSION!!! SOMEWHAT OF A WITCH HUNT!!

ok, maybe some collusion. but we’re not witches, so we still object on those grounds

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:48:54am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

I’ve had this discussion before in regards to George Wallace and segregation, I firmly believe anyone who uses homophobic rhetoric or is at least indifferent to it in his rise to power is no different from the person who is a true believer like Pence. And Trump while maybe not as hostile to gays as Pence is also transphobic.

There’s not a whole lot of difference between someone shouting they are transphobic on the radio and someone writing an executive order to try to ban transgender military personnel. Trump writing such orders is a choice. He chose to do it.

Whether he chose to do it to pander to bigots in his base or because he is bigoted that way himself is pretty much a distinction without a difference.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:49:13am

re: #238 Anymouse 🌹

Curious. I got a letter from the state Rural Water Association seeking job applications for a “circuit rider” trainer for water operators in the Nebraska Panhandle. They invited me to send in a résumé.

I don’t meet the state’s qualifications though—insufficient time licensed and my epilepsy is a disqualification. Other than those, I meet all the other requirements.

I suppose I ought to call them up and tell them I can’t do the work. I’m unsure why they sent this pitch to me though.

Apply anyway and request waivers for those two items.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:49:39am

re: #289 ObserverArt

I find Sasse to be a huge fake. He is as empty a suit as Rubio, as flakey as Flake and as full of deceptive shit as McConnell.

So many of the younger Republicans have grown up under some real slime and are taking on slimy politics as if it was the way to do things.

There sure are not a lot of good Republican politicians to model. Reagan on…that is what they have learned.

They would have came of political infancy during the Gingrich years so that was their model not old timers like Bob Dole who while conservative and certainly combative in his approach wasn’t slimy like Newt is. Agree with you about Sasse. I’ve felt that way even if he didn’t do what Rubio and Cruz did which was to endorse Trump. He thinks he’s above Trumpism but he’s really a fake as you get at. We all remember Flake’s behavior in the Kavanaugh hearings but Sasse brought up the sexual assault of a family member or friend and then promptly showed he didn’t believe sexual assault victims by voting for Kavanaugh.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:49:41am

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

The voters may have been taken for fools but the media was complicit by failing to provide sufficient and consistent information to the average person. When “serious” platforms spend every day talking about emails, but have only one article discussing Don the Con’s flaws, it’s easy for people to be overwhelmed. Look at the recent detailed report from the NY Times on Don’s finances. Did they have any consistent followup? Daily reminders? I don’t think so.

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:49:46am

re: #264 ObserverArt

Fools do not educate themselves, they let those platforms do their thinking for them.

That is the single biggest reason we got Trump. No one bothered to check into his past. And the really foolish thing is that past is well documented so learning it would have been quick and easy.

Fools also delude themselves. It is a huge part of being a fool.

Agree with your observations about fools, but I think your middle paragraph is incorrect: many media outlets (and, AFAICR, much of the “MSM”) did check into Trump’s past - and weren’t reticent about highlighting the negatives. The bigger problem was that:

1) Most media succumbed to terminal bothsiderism*, and persisted in focusing on Hillary Clinton’s bogus non-scandals and vague “unpopularity issues” for “balance”

2) The sheer novel awfulness/awful novelty of Trump’s candidacy became the story, which drowned out a lot of critical investigation.

3) Large numbers of voters thought what they had seen on “reality TV” was actual reality, and overestimated Donald Trump’s abilities by logarithmic factors (and/or thought he would “pivot Presidential” once in office)

4) Larger numbers of voters simply didn’t fucking care.

* “hard-wired for “Republican’” IOW

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:49:59am

re: #269 makeitstop

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:50:24am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

One of my two useless senators, bellyaching about something which is not a thing.

Sasse: Jesse Kelly and I disagree but larger trend of ‘de-platforming’ is dangerous (The Hill)

History major doesn’t understand free speech defined in the Constitution because speaking the truth about it would be inconvenient for his political career… .

Too bad conservatives don’t have access to the talk radio market, or cable TV news, or the Internet.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:50:55am

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

There’s not a whole lot of difference between someone shouting they are transphobic on the radio and someone writing an executive order to try to ban transgender military personnel. Trump writing such orders is a choice. He chose to do it.

Whether he chose to do it to pander to bigots in his base or because he is bigoted that way himself is pretty much a distinction without a difference.

That was my point. We’re talking about homophobia though not transphobia. HD thinks Trump probably doesn’t care either way about people gay and I actually agree to some extent but it’s to a similiar extent how he is about race. If they kiss his ass, they’re great but he certainly is racist, homophobic, transphobic, and most definitely xenophobic.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:51:22am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

Every bought he was a successful businessman but as I got at, we’re not exactly using his products in 273.

it was a hell of a sales / con job and yes, 60m+ bought into it

they could have sold him as swiss cheese and no one would have checked or confirmed it

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:53:17am

I’m gonna hit the rack now … it’s way past my bedtime. Catch y’all later.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:53:25am

re: #301 dangerman

it was a hell of a sales / con job and yes, 60m+ bought into it

they could have sold him as swiss cheese and no one would have checked or confirmed it

Yep. TBH I really thought the consensus even when he was “liberal”(I don’t believe that he ever was, I believe he spouted out platitudes then, some that could be seen as liberal and some as conservative.) that he was an obnoxious gas bag and what we liked least about New York.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:53:45am

Here’s why buzzword-obsessed liberals should stop scolding red state voters — and starting winning again

Another pile of steaming bullshit from a puregressive telling us that we should be better to a group of people/cult that have spent generations belittling the left, looking down on the left, and voting against their best interests.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:54:31am

re: #296 BlueSpotinAL

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:54:42am

re: #285 makeitstop

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:56:27am

re: #301 dangerman

it was a hell of a sales / con job and yes, 60m+ bought into it

they could have sold him as swiss cheese and no one would have checked or confirmed it

He was the ultimate “outsider”, a non-politician with no experience in public service. Hence he could get away with things that would sink the campaign or career of a professional politician, and he could get up and say anything he wanted to on any topic as he had to policy-making, legislative or voting record to refer to.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 8:57:24am

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

There’s not a whole lot of difference between someone shouting they are transphobic on the radio and someone writing an executive order to try to ban transgender military personnel. Trump writing such orders is a choice. He chose to do it.

Whether he chose to do it to pander to bigots in his base or because he is bigoted that way himself is pretty much a distinction without a difference.

As much as Trump fashions himself a studly ladies man throughout his whole life, I bet he has some real issues with gays. Just a feeling.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:00:11am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was the ultimate “outsider”, a non-politician with no experience in public service. Hence he could get away with things that would sink the campaign or career of a professional politician, and he could get up and say anything he wanted to on any topic as he had to policy-making, legislative or voting record to refer to.

exactly so

that’s why i think selling him as actual cheese would have been equally effective

the same advantages - cheese can get away with things that would sink another campaign
the same expectations - no previous record to refer to

and the winning slogan: “What Would Cheeses Do?”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:01:07am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was the ultimate “outsider”, a non-politician with no experience in public service. Hence he could get away with things that would sink the campaign or career of a professional politician, and he could get up and say anything he wanted to on any topic as he had to policy-making, legislative or voting record to refer to.

Perot was just an as big as an outsider to politics. I don’t think that’s quite what it was. I think he said a lot of things that our white majority population wanted to hear and the equally white majority in the media especially ownership didn’t call it out for what it was lest they fear “offending” “middle America.”

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:01:47am

re: #306 ObserverArt

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:02:00am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Perot was just an as big as an outsider to politics. I don’t think that’s quite what it was. I think he said a lot of things that our white majority population wanted to hear and the equally white majority in the media especially ownership didn’t call it out for what it was lest they fear “offending” “middle America.”

Perot was not a reality TV star. And the entire media and press landscape back then was different than today’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:02:21am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Perot was just an as big as an outsider to politics. I don’t think that’s quite what it was. I think he said a lot of things that our white majority population wanted to hear and the equally white majority in the media especially ownership didn’t call it out for what it was lest they fear “offending” “middle America.”

Perot had charts.
Lots and lots of charts…

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nines09  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:03:03am

re: #306 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:03:49am

re: #308 ObserverArt

As much as Trump fashions himself a studly ladies man throughout his whole life, I bet he has some real issues with gays. Just a feeling.

I look at this way. Anyone not homophobic wouldn’t have considered Mike Pence to be their running mate. By picking Pence for VP, Trump said, “Yes, I trust you to carry about my agenda” should I die or be incapacitated. ” Pence could be the nicest of people(don’t believe it to be a possibility) but being a severe homophobe is a deal breaker and TBH an indicator you can’t be a kind person. At the very least Trump is indifferent to homophobia and that can’t happen. You need to be against it as Obama and Clinton and Biden and Kaine are and were.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:05:05am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Perot was not a reality TV star. And the entire media and press landscape back then was different than today’s.

Yes but you said Trump’s benefit was that he was removed from politics as an outsider. That’s really not true. He had just as much if not more contact with politicians before he had a reality show. My memories of Trump are mostly Pre-Apprentice as an obnoxious asshole that pop culture loved spoofing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:05:40am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perot had charts.
Lots and lots of charts…

True, Trump just used empty slogans.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:06:27am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Yes but you said Trump’s benefit was that he was removed from politics as an outsider. That’s really not true. He had just as much if not more contact with politicians before he had a reality show. My memories of Trump are mostly Pre-Apprentice as an obnoxious asshole that pop culture loved spoofing.

He was successfully sold as such. And he had no record of public service.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:10:05am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was successfully sold as such. And he had no record of public service.

I just think it’s not just that he was an outsider that allowed him to get away with it. I think that really gives a way out to the media ignoring his racism because they feared how uncomfortable white audiences are actually candidly talking about race in this coutnry.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:10:09am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Perot was just an as big as an outsider to politics. I don’t think that’s quite what it was. I think he said a lot of things that our white majority population wanted to hear and the equally white majority in the media especially ownership didn’t call it out for what it was lest they fear “offending” “middle America.”

perot was and sounded way smarter (he had charts!)
and as an outsider to politics was just a bit too….goofy, off, buffoonish

the country wasnt ready to take ‘buffoonish’ seriously and put it behind the desk

ps - as president he would have been way over his head. not knowing anybody or having a clue how it all worked. and so much is foreign policy, not ‘management’ or budgets

still he would have been light years better than this our first foray into outsider / buffoon

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:10:40am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perot had charts.
Lots and lots of charts…

beat me by that much

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:13:14am

re: #320 dangerman

perot was and sounded way smarter (he had charts!)
and as an outsider to politics was just a bit too….goofy, off, buffoonish

the country wasnt ready to take ‘buffoonish’ seriously and put it behind the desk

ps - as president he would have been way over his head. not knowing anybody or having a clue how it all worked. and so much is foreign policy, not ‘management’ or budgets

still he would have been light years better than this our first foray into outsider / buffoon

Perot I don’t think was a bigot, perhaps a demagogue but I agree he would have been over his head. These businessmen have a certain arrogance to them that I can’t stand. The whole I can do it better because I did it in business smug attitude. Running a state/nation is different than a business, you dumbases and that really is why most of our successful leaders have not been businessmen but men and women of primarily reason and intelligence rather than men who just got bored with business and wanted to try out government.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:15:50am

And by candidly I don’t mean speaking “your mind”, I mean looking at our racial history honestly. Looking at the fact that it wasn’t until the 1960’s when immigration quotas were lifted on Asia especially. Looking at the fact that survivors of lynchings still live among us. That Emmett Till happened after Jackie Robinson took the field at Ebbets Field. That the Mississippi three civil rights murdered happened in teh age of Color TV. And that Treyvon Martin’s killer got away with murder in the age of Facebook and the Tweet.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:20:07am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was successfully sold as such. And he had no record of public service.

and this is the word that keeps coming up wrt to trump’s campaign: ‘sold’

- first rule of sales is not overcoming objections or solving problems together
- it’s creating an artificial need, and then filling it

sure every politician sells themselves to a degree - but that’s more packaging and a bit of spin

this was “you’re soaking in it”, “put a tiger in your tank”, “does she or doesnt she?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:24:19am

re: #324 dangerman

this was “you’re soaking in it”, “put a tiger in your tank”, “does she or doesnt she?”

This was

Kill Obamacare

Build the Wall

Bring Back Manufacturing Jobs

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:26:50am

For white America being called a racist is the worst thing to many of us because we think to be racist must mean you’re something like a Nazi or KKK member. That even to most of the most far right wing Americans is something you don’t want to be associated with but what we don’t do and this is where the media fails is comprehend the fact that racism isn’t just KKK/Nazi or not racist. It’s why I try to say that I’m not colorblind, I’m merely coloraware. I won’t ever say some cliche bs like I don’t see color. I do see color but what I try to see is the individual who is that color or comes from that other culture. White America doesn’t help any critiques about racism when we go “Why I can’t be racist, I have that black friend” or “I’m not racist, I love such and such athlete or musician or actor.” You have prejudices. We all do. It’s about not letting your prejudice get in the way of how you treat people. And that’s where Trump has failed big time.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:29:26am

re: #258 nines09

I am still upset with what I saw on my street. Heard fall from the mouths of people I thought I knew. I joked that I was in the wrong business. I should be selling snake oil, there is a great market for it.
Rent to own, bank and lending fuckery, rollback of consumer protections and the non stop bullshit sold via AM radio and TV.
Trump was a TV personality to many. His bluster and recognition to many people was a sell. It’s the fucking of a century.

Yep, and it just allowed real villains like Mulvaney and Miller, etc., etc. with access to the levers of power to further fuck people over.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:29:26am

Have right-wingers started their annual freakout yet about the Starbucks holiday cup?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:29:35am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

You have prejudices. We all do. It’s about not letting your prejudice get in the way of how you treat people.

Which is why I am very careful about using the word “racist”.

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:30:01am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

Native Americans 1607-1620: We may have to get our hands dirty dealing with these boats full of invaders.

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In 1620, a group of Comanche (on foot, wearing nothing but loincloths) defeated a group of Spanish soldiers (on horseback, with armor and helmets) — a recent PBS doc showed us the carvings on rock walls depicting that battle.

The spoils included enough stallions and mares to start a breeding program. Within one human generation, the Comanche had become the finest horsemen the world has ever seen; that’s how they for more than 200 years dominated a pretty damn big piece of territory.

It wasn’t just better guns that enabled the US Army to ultimately prevail; an unlimited supply of reinforcements had a lot to do with it. Still, under the circumstances, 200 years is a pretty good run.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:30:20am

re: #320 dangerman

perot was and sounded way smarter (he had charts!)
and as an outsider to politics was just a bit too….goofy, off, buffoonish

the country wasnt ready to take ‘buffoonish’ seriously and put it behind the desk

ps - as president he would have been way over his head. not knowing anybody or having a clue how it all worked. and so much is foreign policy, not ‘management’ or budgets

still he would have been light years better than this our first foray into outsider / buffoon

Perot’s TV ads were mesmerizing and demonstrated a mastery of certain topics. Unlike Trump, he truly was a successful businessman in a field of modern technology. I have no doubt that he would have hired “the best and the brightest” for those areas where he lacked expertise. He was/is crazy but he would have demanded knowledge and not slavish loyalty from those he appointed. Given his eccentricities, who knows what he actually would have accomplished.

If you want a businessman for President, prior political experience should be a must — someone like Bloomberg, perhaps, if he were 15 years younger.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:31:50am

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is why I am very careful about using the word “racist”.

I am too but I think people should be aware that there is more to racism than just the extremes. Bernie Sanders recently tried to claim that people who were uncomfortable with voting for Gillum or Abrams shouldn’t necessarily be labeled as racist and I can’t disagree more. To me, that’s part of the definition. it’s feeling that a PoC can’t govern you, no different than refusing to have a PoC as a supervisor or manager at a job site.

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gwangung  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:32:27am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

For white America being called a racist is the worst thing to many of us because we think to be racist must mean you’re something like a Nazi or KKK member. That even to most of the most far right wing Americans is something you don’t want to be associated with

“I said I supported making some changes that would increase police accountability, and the conservative on the show interrupted to say that what we really needed to talk about was black-on-black crime. Now, “black-on-black crime” is a conservative talking point. It may have been used politely in the past, but it’s become coded language that supports a racist view of black people. I pointed out that inner-city crime wasn’t a big problem in Seattle, which is one of the safest major cities in the country. The host wanted to move on, but I said I thought the conversation should continue. It wasn’t right to end on a “dog whistle” like that. The conservative just lost it. He started pounding the desk and yelling at me: How dare I say that. He wouldn’t allow me to say that. We were in a small studio, and he was standing over me. (I found out later that a former mayor of Seattle was on Twitter writing, “What’s going on? I’m listening to an angry white guy scream at a black woman on the radio.”) The host didn’t know what to do. I hadn’t even called the guy a racist or a white supremacist.”

thesunmagazine.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:35:50am

“racial realism” is a popular term, it implies that there is some scientific basis for their racist views

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:36:07am

re: #331 Hecuba’s daughter

Perot’s TV ads were mesmerizing and demonstrated a mastery of certain topics. Unlike Trump, he truly was a successful businessman in a field of modern technology. I have no doubt that he would have hired “the best and the brightest” for those areas where he lacked expertise. He was/is crazy but he would have demanded knowledge and not slavish loyalty from those he appointed. Given his eccentricities, who knows what he actually would have accomplished.

If you want a businessman for President, prior political experience should be a must — someone like Bloomberg, perhaps, if he were 15 years younger.

spot on.
all of it

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:38:19am

re: #333 gwangung

thesunmagazine.org

Thanks looks like a good read. As you know, I’m big into genealogy. One problem we encounter in the Irish descent community is those who love to push the Irish slave mythos to dismiss black people talking about slavery, Jim Crow, and their ramifications on the African-American community. To be fair, the actual Irish people are disgusted by this but it’s a problem. I like this blurb buy Oluo.
Oluo: “I’m sorry you feel hurt” is not the same as “I’m sorry I hurt you.” Are you apologizing for how that person took your action or for your action? I think you need to set aside the “I didn’t mean to” defense. It doesn’t really lessen the hurt to know that the person who used offensive language doesn’t actually hate me. We should take responsibility for our actions. If you bump into someone on the street, you say, “I’m sorry.” You don’t put qualifiers on it in an effort to make yourself feel better.

That’s exactly right. Too often, I see “Sorry anyone was offended” rather than “Sorry I offended you” and I like how comparing to accidentally bumping someone on the streets wouldn’t merit something like “I’m sorry if I might have bumped into you” but racial offense doesn’t work that way. Great read, thanks.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:38:39am

“You gotta change your evil ways…..”

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lizardofid  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:38:46am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perot had charts.
Lots and lots of charts…

And you ain’t gonna pay off a 4 trillion dollar debt plucking chickens!

{Shameless paraphrase}

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:41:27am

For the love of God….

Facebook Post

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:42:53am

This fucking moron.

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:43:18am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

I just think it’s not just that he was an outsider that allowed him to get away with it. I think that really gives a way out to the media ignoring his racism because they feared how uncomfortable white audiences are actually candidly talking about race in this coutnry.

NYC looks like a big city; it’s really 1000 small towns superimposed on each other. And the “national media/network headquarters” small town thought they knew him. The sorts of things he said at rallies… he didn’t talk that way at cocktail parties. He was a guy with pretty good TV ratings, at all the parties, on page six on a regular basis, his books sold pretty well, his name was plastered on buildings all over town, he was a cultural phenomenon… they just didn’t judge him by the standards they’d bring to bear on somebody they knew as “political figure”.

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nines09  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:44:26am

re: #327 Barefoot Grin

For years I walked through manufacturing plants as I picked up, delivered. Spoke with many people from all levels of importance and wage. Used to hear over and over about OSHA, and what they made them do. What a pain in the ass, usually from the management side, but guys on the floor parroted them.
Saw, watched, employees pour liquids down storm drains, spread contaminated oils on dirt entries,work with solvents with no gloves and no air recycling. Grinders throwing shit everywhere. Spot welders sparks setting shit on fire.Red hot rebar jumping out of channels and shooting across the floor. Rockwool machines spewing clouds of fibre in the air. Welders in areas with no air flow.
“What do I do with this, boss?”
Chuck it in the trash.
“It” has skull and crossbones on it.
I had to pick up waste from a Dayton Ohio plant of ours that closed. It was because it was toxic shit that had to be removed. It was barrels and machinery and all manner of God knows what. It was leaking by the time I got back to central Pa.
If I wanted my job, I didn’t ask any questions.
Neither did those other guys.
You have no idea what goes on in places.
And safety is just a big hassle, don’t worry, shut up.
And it just got worse.

bbl

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:48:42am

re: #340 MsJ

This fucking moron.

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He also claimed that his tariffs, which GM warned would “undermine [its] competitiveness against foreign auto producers by … [increasing] global costs,” have “nothing to do” with the layoffs.

his tariffs were targeted (sort of) to ‘help’ the steel producers in this country
not the steel buyers and users

who didnt seen this coming? (besides he himself)?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:48:46am

re: #341 sagehen

NYC looks like a big city; it’s really 1000 small towns superimposed on each other. And the “national media/network headquarters” small town thought they knew him. The sorts of things he said at rallies… he didn’t talk that way at cocktail parties. He was a guy with pretty good TV ratings, at all the parties, on page six on a regular basis, his books sold pretty well, his name was plastered on buildings all over town, he was a cultural phenomenon… they just didn’t judge him by the standards they’d bring to bear on somebody they knew as “political figure”.

Ah good point. Never thought of NYC’s various neighborhoods like that but it’s true.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:49:19am

re: #340 MsJ

This fucking moron.

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Then don’t do stupid shit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:50:34am

re: #339 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

For the love of God….

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No one ever mistook you for Elvis. They mistook you for his ass hair which was more useful.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:52:21am

re: #341 sagehen

NYC looks like a big city; it’s really 1000 small towns superimposed on each other. And the “national media/network headquarters” small town thought they knew him. The sorts of things he said at rallies… he didn’t talk that way at cocktail parties. He was a guy with pretty good TV ratings, at all the parties, on page six on a regular basis, his books sold pretty well, his name was plastered on buildings all over town, he was a cultural phenomenon…they just didn’t judge him by the standards they’d bring to bear on somebody they knew as “political figure”.

they didnt even judge him by the standards of the job
- that everyone else who ever applied/ran for it got judged by
- including all those who ran in 2016

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:52:23am

re: #340 MsJ

This fucking moron.

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Oh Donny, it’s not GM doing that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:54:30am

re: #347 dangerman

they didnt even judge him by the standards of the job
- that everyone else who ever applied/ran for it got judged by
- including all those who ran in 2016

Exactly why I got so annoyed by his apologists going “Well he’s not a trained politician.” No shit, would you give your doctor a pass if he did an incision wound wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:56:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:57:34am

*THUD*

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:58:54am

re: #296 BlueSpotinAL

They forgot a few things…

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 9:58:54am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

Exactly why I got so annoyed by his apologists going “Well he’s not a trained politician.” No shit, would you give your doctor a pass if he did an incision wound wrong.

We don’t ask guy off the street to engage in medical procedures in a hospital OR. We don’t ask guy off street to argue before the Supreme Court. We don’t ask guy off street to run a multinational corporation with zero experience (apologies to Trading Places).

We should expect minimum competencies of those in elected office. Just enough people decided that a con artist with a record of destroying business ventures outside what he inherited as real estate should be elected to the highest office in the nation despite lacking basic understanding of anything relating to the office, its role, and responsibilities.

The consequences of these actions continues daily, and the media continues to magic balance fairy the shit out of things, because they prefer ratings and access to providing facts and information that people need. They too want to tell people a narrative, no matter what the facts say.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:00:48am
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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:01:22am

re: #340 MsJ

Donald Trump “Not Happy” General Motors Is Making Him Look Stupid

Narrator voice: ‘Trump beat them to it.’

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:01:35am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lindsay stfu. She didn’t ask for your lying bs. You’re a disgrace. You know damn well that both are and were fleeing violence. You’re just lucky your family was born here. You didn’t earn that. You lucked into it.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:02:02am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

A migrant family, part of a caravan of thousands traveling from Central America en route to the United States, runs away from tear gas in front of the U.S.-Mexico border wall in Tijuana, Mexico.

at least it wasnt napalm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:02:49am

re: #353 lawhawk

We don’t ask guy off the street to engage in medical procedures in a hospital OR. We don’t ask guy off street to argue before the Supreme Court. We don’t ask guy off street to run a multinational corporation with zero experience (apologies to Trading Places).

We should expect minimum competencies of those in elected office. Just enough people decided that a con artist with a record of destroying business ventures outside what he inherited as real estate should be elected to the highest office in the nation despite lacking basic understanding of anything relating to the office, its role, and responsibilities.

The consequences of these actions continues daily, and the media continues to magic balance fairy the shit out of things, because they prefer ratings and access to providing facts and information that people need. They too want to tell people a narrative, no matter what the facts say.

Well stated. It’s disgraceful that so many people think oh he’s an outside, good, let’s give him political power he’s never had before as a good idea.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:03:11am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

I recommend she take a tour of the Holocaust Museum in DC.

Might help her better understand the differences between the Holocaust and the caravan in Tijuana.

— Lindsey Graham

Yeah, the caravan in Tijuana is full of murderers, criminals, and Mexican university Spring Breakers wanting to party in S.D.

///

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:03:59am

re: #342 nines09

For years I walked through manufacturing plants as I picked up, delivered. Spoke with many people from all levels of importance and wage. Used to hear over and over about OSHA, and what they made them do. What a pain in the ass, usually from the management side, but guys on the floor parroted them.
Saw, watched, employees pour liquids down storm drains, spread contaminated oils on dirt entries,work with solvents with no gloves and no air recycling. Grinders throwing shit everywhere. Spot welders sparks setting shit on fire.Red hot rebar jumping out of channels and shooting across the floor. Rockwool machines spewing clouds of fibre in the air. Welders in areas with no air flow.
“What do I do with this, boss?”
Chuck it in the trash.
“It” has skull and crossbones on it.
I had to pick up waste from a Dayton Ohio plant of ours that closed. It was because it was toxic shit that had to be removed. It was barrels and machinery and all manner of God knows what. It was leaking by the time I got back to central Pa.
If I wanted my job, I didn’t ask any questions.
Neither did those other guys.
You have no idea what goes on in places.
And safety is just a big hassle, don’t worry, shut up.
And it just got worse.

bbl

I have an idea. I worked two summers of college in a plating factory in my old hometown. If you know plating there are all kinds of nasty chemicals involved. Acids. Corrosive Sodium, Cyanide, etc.

One day the owner of the company told his morning crew to dispose of some of those lovely chemicals down the storm drains out back of the plant. He didn’t want to take the time to do it right as he was losing time and money.

Bad thing though…it rained heavily that night and the storms drain over-flowed. The plant was on a hillside. Ohio Brass was located down the hill. Their parking lot was flooded that night.

A few days later some of the people that had parked in that lot had paint peeling off the lower portions of their cars. The EPA was called in because this was not a usual occurrence, even if that lot had flooded before.

The EPA did some chemical evaluations and found…acids and sodium. They knew right away where that came from.

The owner tried to deny it of course, he was a real piece of work. EPA wasn’t having it and they gave him a pretty big fine and watched him for a few years to make sure he was handling the disposal of those chemicals in a proper manner.

It was my understand the fine was stiff enough it would have been much cheaper to dispose of those chemicals correctly.

Had it not rained the owner probably would not have been caught and would have continued dumping like that when it was convenient to do so.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:04:23am

re: #353 lawhawk

We don’t ask guy off the street to engage in medical procedures in a hospital OR. We don’t ask guy off street to argue before the Supreme Court. We don’t ask guy off street to run a multinational corporation with zero experience (apologies to Trading Places).

We should expect minimum competencies of those in elected office. Just enough people decided that a con artist with a record of destroying business ventures outside what he inherited as real estate should be elected to the highest office in the nation despite lacking basic understanding of anything relating to the office, its role, and responsibilities.

The consequences of these actions continues daily, and the media continues to magic balance fairy the shit out of things, because they prefer ratings and access to providing facts and information that people need. They too want to tell people a narrative, no matter what the facts say.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:05:16am

re: #356 HappyWarrior

Lindsay stfu. She didn’t ask for your lying bs. You’re a disgrace. You know damn well that both are and were fleeing violence. You’re just lucky your family was born here. You didn’t earn that. You lucked into it.

What a disgrace he’s become. McCain must be rolling in his grave.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:07:46am

not sounding good

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:08:31am

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Archangelus  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:10:30am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

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On one hand there is a point there. On the other, it’s a really crappy comparison insofar as I (and a LOT of people, especially in Israel right now where her comment is making headline news) am concerned.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:10:41am

Cute commie cuddlebugs

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:11:57am

What is this?

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:12:55am

re: #330 sagehen

In 1620, a group of Comanche (on foot, wearing nothing but loincloths) defeated a group of Spanish soldiers (on horseback, with armor and helmets) — a recent PBS doc showed us the carvings on rock walls depicting that battle.

The spoils included enough stallions and mares to start a breeding program. Within one human generation, the Comanche had become the finest horsemen the world has ever seen; that’s how they for more than 200 years dominated a pretty damn big piece of territory.

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It wasn’t just better guns that enabled the US Army to ultimately prevail; an unlimited supply of reinforcements had a lot to do with it. Still, under the circumstances, 200 years is a pretty good run.

Just read this not that long ago. Most excellent book and probably the most detailed history of Comanches ever. The Comanche Empire

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:13:36am

re: #365 Archangelus

On one hand there is a point there. On the other, it’s a really crappy comparison insofar as I (and a LOT of people, especially in Israel right now where her comment is making headline news) am concerned.

It is a RW article of faith that people come here from Mexico and Central America either as criminals looking for white women to rape and white kids to sell drugs to, or as parasites hoping to have an easy life on our social benefits while sending their anchor children to our schools.

And these people are seen as such a threat that our President has authorized and even enouraged the use of force.

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gwangung  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:14:08am

This might be the start of something big….Britain gets after Facebook:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:16:32am

re: #365 Archangelus

On one hand there is a point there. On the other, it’s a really crappy comparison insofar as I (and a LOT of people, especially in Israel right now where her comment is making headline news) am concerned.

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I understand but she’s not saying the situations are the same but rather that those fleeing genocide were and allow to apply for asylum just as those fleeing political violence are.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:18:06am

Good thread.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:19:27am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Perot was not a reality TV star. And the entire media and press landscape back then was different than today’s.

Perot also said what he wanted to say, grounded it in some set of reality (he pushed for the pass to play - if you fail you can’t participate in extra-cirricular activies - here in Texas) and hoped you’d agree. Trump’s statements have no grounding in reality. Perot would have at least acted like a businessman.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:19:36am

re: #370 gwangung

This might be the start of something big….Britain gets after Facebook:

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They won’t do anything…Facebook is building a multi-million dollar facility in London to give a shitload of jobs that the UK needs.

He bought off any real consequences. Mark my words.

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Interesting Times  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:19:40am

re: #365 Archangelus

On one hand there is a point there. On the other, it’s a really crappy comparison insofar as I (and a LOT of people, especially in Israel right now where her comment is making headline news) am concerned.

What do you think of this person’s take?

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:21:34am

re: #365 Archangelus

On one hand there is a point there. On the other, it’s a really crappy comparison insofar as I (and a LOT of people, especially in Israel right now where her comment is making headline news) am concerned.

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I think you have a very flawed take on this.

But that’s just me.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:23:40am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

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Except all the (many) ones that had no judge, jury, trial, witnesses, evidence or presumption of innocence.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:23:43am

re: #375 Interesting Times

What do you think of this person’s take?

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And frankly it was just thought to be political violence before the world knew the horrors of the camps. I understand why someone may take her comments the wrong way but we need to remember that in 1938, Jews fleeing Europe weren’t seem as fleeing a genocide. We have no idea what’s going to happen in Central America. Perhaps not genocide but democide is a possibility with autocratic leaders rising.

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gwangung  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:24:41am

Also….

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:26:02am

LOL

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:26:17am

re: #365 Archangelus

You’re wrong as the analogy actually holds.

Jews did flee Germany before the Holocaust began in earnest, before the death camps. Many fled before the concentration camps were established. Many fled as they saw writing on wall and Krystalnacht.

People flee from violence throughout history and seek out safe havens. The US has a notorious history of refusing entry to those seeking refuge, including Jews during the Holocaust when it was known to the government the horrors of the camps.

Also, anti-immigration extremists painted Jews in much the same language as Trump now paints those seeking asylum (criminals, traitors, terrorists, etc., trying to gain entry to US to engage in nefarious acts). And that was without even touching on the anti Semitism.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:26:58am

I’m not dismissing the Holocaust fwiw but more so pointing out that the world didn’t know the full extent of Nazism’s evil before the liberation of the camps and that was what most pre WWII Jews were seen fleeing. Political and racial violence but not a genocide and that unfortunately was the argument Graham’s ideological forefathers made against allowing them.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:27:00am

re: #365 Archangelus

Um, Arch, some of those fleeing are dealth with the possibility that they will be murdered if they stay at home. “Not again” does not mean we wait until there’s some critical threshold of deaths to get to.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:28:03am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

I understand but she’s not saying the situations are the same but rather that those fleeing genocide were and allow to apply for asylum just as those fleeing political violence are.

afaik anyone can present themselves and request asylum.
doesnt mean they’ll qualify when they actually apply (port of entry requests are different)

- im getting a feeling we’re slowly creeping towards some idea of ‘pre-qualified’
- like unless certain things happened to them, or they were subjected to, which legitimized their journey, they dont even have the right to be on the other side of the border

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:28:26am

re: #365 Archangelus

On one hand there is a point there. On the other, it’s a really crappy comparison insofar as I (and a LOT of people, especially in Israel right now where her comment is making headline news) am concerned.

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The kindertransport to the UK, and the St Louis, were both several years before the Einsatzgruppen, or the transports to the camps, or the Wannsee Conference. Nobody yet imagined that systemic mass murder & annihilation was on the way.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:28:34am

re: #384 dangerman

afaik anyone can present themselves and request asylum.
doesnt mean they’ll qualify when they actually apply (port of entry requests are different)

- im getting a feeling we’re slowly creeping towards some idea of ‘pre-qualified’
- like unless certain things happened to them, or they were subjected to, which legitimized their journey, they dont even have the right to be on the other side of the border

Exactly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:30:16am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

And frankly it was just thought to be political violence before the world knew the horrors of the camps. I understand why someone may take her comments the wrong way but we need to remember that in 1938, Jews fleeing Europe weren’t seem as fleeing a genocide. We have no idea what’s going to happen in Central America. Perhaps not genocide but democide is a possibility with autocratic leaders rising.

They had already been dispossessed, ghettoized and denied a chance to earn a livelihood in their profession…in other words, crybabies and snowflakes

/

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:30:17am

re: #385 sagehen

The kindertransport to the UK, and the St Louis, were both several years before the Einsatzgruppen, or the transports to the camps, or the Wannsee Conference. Nobody yet imagined that systemic mass murder & annihilation was on the way.

Right and Jews were just told to tough it out or that it was their own fault. Be nice to see more empathy here because yeah it’s not genocide but genocide and democide don’t happen, they develop over time from Dachau opening in 1933 to Wannsee nine years later.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:31:26am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They had already been dispossessed, ghettoized and denied a chance to earn a livelihood in their profession…in other words, crybabies and snowflakes

/

Actually many hadn’t yet. When Anne Frank’s father tried to flee, the Franks were safe in the Netherlands until the German invasion a year later.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:33:42am

The majority of Europe’s Jews lived outside German borders but many like Mr. Frank correctly saw the aggression.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:33:45am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:37:27am

re: #391 goddamnedfrank

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Because they didn’t care. They just wanted whoever would take the job and if they have a record of violent and or sexual abuse, who the hell cares. This shit is sick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:38:09am

re: #391 goddamnedfrank

A new government watchdog memo says the Trump administration waived rigorous background checks for all staff working at the nation’s largest detention camp for migrant children.apne.ws

He will be praised for eliminating government bureaucracy and red tape.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:39:00am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Because they didn’t care. They just wanted whoever would take the job and if they have a record of violent and or sexual abuse, who the hell cares. This shit is sick.

I think it’s worse…I think they want people who will inflict harm on these people who want to apply for asylum. They like the hurt and pain they are inflicting.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:39:38am

re: #394 MsJ

I think it’s worse…I think they want people who will inflict harm on these people who want to apply for asylum. They like the hurt and pain they are inflicting.

I think you’re probably right about that. It’s so evil.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:40:57am

re: #393 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He will be praised for eliminating government bureaucracy and red tape.

On FNC but I doubt anywhere else. I like to think most of our countrymen and women would have a problem with not doing security clearences on government officials. Maybe that shit can fly at FNC but it won’t with most of the country that doesn’t have their head pu Trump’s asshole.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:41:48am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:43:56am

re: #397 MsJ

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Boo fucking hoo. Manafort repeatedly broke the law and sold out to Putin. It would have been better off for you Rudy if you had just disappeared after 9/11’s aftermath. Because people would actually still buy that America’s Mayor crap rather than your reality: Trump’s lackey. You’re a disgrace and I bet most of your former prosecutors on the Cosa Nostra case wonder how the hell you came to be a talking liar for a con named Don.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:46:45am

re: #377 Eventual Carrion

Except all the (many) ones that had no judge, jury, trial, witnesses, evidence or presumption of innocence.

The power and force of the state suppressing the rights of other human beings
Based primarily on skin color and national origin

Yeah that kind of “legal”

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Danack  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:47:59am

re: #397 MsJ

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“We need a national crash program if there is to be any hope for nanoluthiers to build an adequately small violin. I’m talking hard X-ray lithography, single-atom strings, the works.”

From pinboard

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:48:46am

re: #380 goddamnedfrank

LOL

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Oh man, vindictive as hell.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:49:00am

IF Donnie and Rudy really think that this nation is going to have a collective sad for Paul Manafort, they’re a whole lotta wrong.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:49:43am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:54:26am

re: #68 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:54:26am
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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:54:54am

Uhmm, yeah…this seems legit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:55:07am

re: #404 Scottish Dragon

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He’s probably wishing someone would knee Erick in his baby balls now.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:55:59am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:56:15am

re: #406 MsJ

Uhmm, yeah…this seems legit.

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I kind of hope it is and it gets Trump as vain as he is to turn on him. But yeah it would be a good pick. I’d also consider Mueller but MBS has been someone talked about globally for his ipact.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:56:54am

re: #408 goddamnedfrank

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Laura insists she’s not Anti-Semitic but so many of her allies are. Hmmm. Might want to see someone about that Laura.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:59:04am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

I kind of hope it is and it gets Trump as vain as he is to turn on him. But yeah it would be a good pick. I’d also consider Mueller but MBS has been someone talked about globally for his ipact.

In the vein of Hitler, I suppose.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 10:59:42am

re: #365 Archangelus

On one hand there is a point there. On the other, it’s a really crappy comparison insofar as I (and a LOT of people, especially in Israel right now where her comment is making headline news) am concerned.

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Although there is a distinction between officially sanctioned government discrimination/violence and a country overrun by criminal gangs that punish any who do not cooperate, to the civilians fleeing terror and violence, that is a distinction without a meaning. In either case, innocent people are trying to find a safe haven, protect their families and provide a future for their children.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:02:01am

re: #411 MsJ

In the vein of Hitler, I suppose.

Yeah that was my thought. Too many people think Person of the Year means the person needs to be good. Now they just to be impactful and he’s been just that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:02:48am

re: #412 Hecuba’s daughter

Although there is a distinction between officially sanctioned government discrimination/violence and a country overrun by criminal gangs that punish any who do not cooperate, to the civilians fleeing terror and violence, that is a distinction without a meaning. In either case, innocent people are trying to find a safe haven, protect their families and provide a future for their children.

Well some of Central and South America’s problems are with the governments. I totally think we’re going to see people fleeing Brazil due to the tyrant they just elected.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:03:52am

re: #397 MsJ

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All in all manaforts just another brick in the wall

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:08:58am
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jaunte  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:09:48am

It’s Propaganda Infrastructure Week at Sinclair.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:11:11am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

Well some of Central and South America’s problems are with the governments. I totally think we’re going to see people fleeing Brazil due to the tyrant they just elected.

I should clarify: my view is that our treatment of the refugees from Central and South America is no different from our treatment of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, and history will so record that there was no practical difference. The attitudes of the RW toward these asylum seekers is a disgrace, and demonstrates their total lack of compassion or decency toward others.

419
dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:12:32am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

Laura insists she’s not Anti-Semitic but so many of her allies are. Hmmm. Might want to see someone about that Laura.

You know who doesn’t have to insist? Those who aren’t.

420
jaunte  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:12:50am

Listen to all the trigger words in that Boris Epshteyn piece. If it was a Trump tweet they’d all be Capitalized.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:13:15am

re: #418 Hecuba’s daughter

I should clarify: my view is that our treatment of the refugees from Central and South America is no different from our treatment of Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, and history will so record that there was no practical difference. The attitudes of the RW toward these asylum seekers is a disgrace, and demonstrates their total lack of compassion or decency toward others.

Definitely. Just pointing out that the people in Central and South America are fleeing state violence as well as gang violence. And it is totally disgraceful.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:14:19am

re: #417 jaunte

It’s Propaganda Infrastructure Week at Sinclair.

[Embedded content]

OF course. Gotta convince the Rubes that it’s justified. Dehumanize the parents and the kids. Dehumanize them all to protect Lord Protector Trump.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:15:08am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:17:20am

re: #423 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Fucking jackass. It’s a misdemeanor and again you have to be in country to apply for asylum despite what the ORange shitmonger says. Oh and as a descendant of another Stephen Joyce, read about your own people’s history, Steve.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:20:23am

It’s the law! Say the people who think someone is admirable for getting around paying their honest share of income tax.

426
jaunte  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:22:15am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Like a Midas touch for turning things to shit.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:22:51am

There it is:

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:23:22am

re: #426 jaunte

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Like a Midas touch for turning things to shit.

What was it? It’s gone.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:24:02am

re: #428 MsJ

It was Eric Boehlert commenting on the CNBC GM story.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:28:04am

re: #427 jaunte

There it is:

[Embedded content]

And how does he believe that would help?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:30:04am

re: #430 Mike Lamb

And how does he believe that would help?

it will help punish them for making him look bad, teaching other companies a lesson

432
Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:30:23am

re: #427 jaunte

There it is:

“GM closes two additional plants after subsidies are cut.” - From the future

433
Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:31:14am

re: #431 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it will help punish them for making him look bad, teaching other companies a lesson

Has any company actually learned a lesson from his antics, other than, “It’s time to bail on the US”?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:31:36am

Testing something.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:33:04am

re: #427 jaunte

There it is:

[Embedded content]

If anything, this confirms one of the sticking points about whether Trump met certain technical aspects in some definitions of fascism: to wit….is he a corporatist/dirigist?

Corporatism/dirigism agree with market economy principles, but hold that the market must serve the needs of the state. It was a central point of Italian fascism: Nothing outside the State, nothing against the State, everything for the State. (replace ‘state’ with ‘Trump’ and see if this is accurate now)

By insisting that private enterprise must serve his notion of the betterment of the State (and himself), I think Trump has demonstrated that he actually does cross the dirigist threshold and likely meets most definitions of an actual fascist.

436
Jay C  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:33:56am

re: #430 Mike Lamb

And how does he believe that would help?

Almost certainly in terms of his “ratings” and how this can be spun by the WH: likely a tack of Brave President Donald Standing Up For The Working Joe - by using crude threats to force GM to - what? Keep those plants in operation (unrealistic)? Find other jobs for the redundant workers (unlikely)? Try to force Congress to back him (all for Working-Class Joe, of course) or face the wrath of a Twitter-storm castigating Democrats - ‘cuz we know he’ll blame them - for abandoning all those hard-working Real Americans?

437
makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:36:13am

re: #436 Jay C

Almost certainly in terms of his “ratings” and how this can be spun by the WH: likely a tack of Brave President Donald Standing Up For The Working Joe - by using crude threats to force GM to - what? Keep those plants in operation (unrealistic)? Find other jobs for the redundant workers (unlikely)? Try to force Congress to back him (all for Working-Class Joe, of course) or face the wrath of a Twitter-storm castigating Democrats - ‘cuz we know he’ll blame them - for abandoning all those hard-working Real Americans?

Occam’s Razor explanation - he wants to destroy them for making him look like the idiot he’s always been

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:37:16am

re: #436 Jay C

Almost certainly in terms of his “ratings” and how this can be spun by the WH: likely a tack of Brave President Donald Standing Up For The Working Joe - by using crude threats to force GM to - what? Keep those plants in operation (unrealistic)? Find other jobs for the redundant workers (unlikely)? Try to force Congress to back him (all for Working-Class Joe, of course) or face the wrath of a Twitter-storm castigating Democrats - ‘cuz we know he’ll blame them - for abandoning all those hard-working Real Americans?

Remember how he left farmers sitting on mountains of soybeans because of his trade wars and then called for a farm bailout?

439
makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:37:34am

A little good news amid all the fuckery…

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:38:08am

re: #438 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember how he left farmers sitting on mountains of soybeans because of his trade wars and then called for a farm bailout?

Which most have not received anything of.

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makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:40:16am

re: #440 Belafon

Which most have not received anything of.

Yeah, the only ‘bailing out’ that was done was by Trump, on the promise he made.

Par for the course.

442
jaunte  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:40:48am
443
plansbandc  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:43:46am

re: #394 MsJ

I think you’re right. They are sadists.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:45:15am

re: #437 makeitstop

Occam’s Razor explanation - he wants to destroy them for making him look like the idiot he’s always been

.
.
.
“But he hasn’t got anything on,” a little child said.

“Did you ever hear such innocent prattle?” said its father. And one person whispered to another what the child had said, “He hasn’t anything on. A child says he hasn’t anything on.”

“But he hasn’t got anything on!” the whole town cried out at last.

The Emperor shivered, for he suspected they were right. But he thought, “This procession has got to go on.” So he tear-gassed the spectators as his cabinet continued to hold high the facade of clothes that weren’t there at all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:45:56am

re: #442 jaunte

[Embedded content]

The US did save GM and then you fucked them. You’re an idiot who couldn’t even run a toilet.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:46:08am

re: #441 makeitstop

Yeah, the only ‘bailing out’ that was done was by Trump, on the promise he made.

Par for the course.

certainly for the one at mar-a-grifto

447
makeitstop  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:46:49am

I’m wondering when the Captains of Industry get to the point where they’ve had enough.

448
jaunte  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:50:35am

Trump, once again making life easy for sexual predators.

449
Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:51:34am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:51:37am

re: #439 makeitstop

A little good news amid all the fuckery…

[Embedded content]

Just like tRump, Russia quit paying their contractors.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:53:55am

re: #448 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Trump, once again making life easy for sexual predators.

By design.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:54:38am
453
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:55:27am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:56:32am
455
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:57:00am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:57:27am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:59:26am

re: #452 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

Put a 3 minute delay on the “live” broadcast to give time to type up a quick fact check of what he has stated? Good idea.

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Weaselone  Nov 27, 2018 • 11:59:55am

re: #452 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

VH1 style Pop Up videos of Trump would be sort of interesting and entertaining.

459
HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:00:44pm

re: #455 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

Let me guess NRA the doctors and nurses at Walter Reed should have had guns.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:02:10pm

re: #455 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I am currently at Walter Reed Medical in Bethesda where we’ve been told there is an active shooter. I am currently safe in a conference room w/ approx 40 others.

gotta arm all nurses and orderlies in every hospital and clinic

too soon?
too late?

461
Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:02:21pm

re: #458 Weaselone

VH1 style Pop Up videos of Trump would be sort of interesting and entertaining.

And have one re-usable bubble that just states, “That was another lie!”

462
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:03:41pm

re: #459 HappyWarrior

Let me guess NRA the doctors and nurses at Walter Reed should have had guns.

re: #460 dangerman

gotta arm all nurses and orderlies in every hospital and clinic

too soon?
too late?

463
nines09  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:03:49pm

Makes perfect sense.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:03:56pm

re: #459 HappyWarrior

Let me guess NRA the doctors and nurses at Walter Reed should have had guns.

i defer, by about 2 minutes….

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:05:17pm

re: #461 Eventual Carrion

And have one re-usable bubble that just states, “That was another lie!”

and one of these

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:06:13pm

re: #463 nines09

Makes perfect sense.

[Embedded content]

More skulls for the skull throne!

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:07:02pm

re: #463 nines09

Makes perfect sense.

These ants (native to Florida, where else?!) not only kill much larger trap-jaw ants with sprays of acid, but also steal their foes’ heads for nest decor… & possibly to help them evade kidnappers. Wild stuff by @natgeo regular @bittelmethis

Florida (M)ants

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Weaselone  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:07:24pm

re: #461 Eventual Carrion

And have one re-usable bubble that just states, “That was another lie!”

The issue is that
1. The format would introduce his lies to an audience it might not normally reach and even with corrections would through repetition cause people to internalize them
2. The format might induce a certain fondness for him due to the entertainment/kitsch value of the videos that might boost his popularity.

469
Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:08:35pm

re: #452 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Daniel Dale

@ddale8
An interesting approach by CNN here - putting actual facts in a big box beside Sarah Sanders. Would be worth exploring this kind of Factual Pop-Up Video for Trump’s own speeches.

Lis Power
@LisPower1
Replying to @LisPower1
CNN is airing the briefing — but this “facts first” side panel seems like a new idea pic.twitter.com

3,469
1:21 PM - Nov 27, 2018

It is an interesting approach but flawed: I wouldn’t be surprised if many viewers are like me: doing household chores or driving the car while listening to the news. So I would not be aware of these fact checks.

470
nines09  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:10:07pm

re: #466 Eventual Carrion

I think every scary sci fi monster horror film has a real life character in nature. just off the top of my head. Mud dauber wasps.
Wiki;
Like most other wasps, mud daubers are predators. The females not only build the nests, but also they hunt to provision them. However, pipe-organ mud dauber males have reportedly brought spiders to the nest, and they aid in nest guarding.

Black and yellow mud daubers primarily prey on relatively small, colorful spiders, such as crab spiders (and related groups), orb weavers and some jumping spiders. They usually find them in and around vegetation. Blue mud daubers are the main predator of the black and brown widow spiders.

Adults of both sexes frequently drink flower nectar, but they stock their nests with spiders, which serve as food for their offspring. Mud daubers prefer particular kinds and sizes of spiders for their larders. Instead of stocking a nest cell with one or two large spiders, mud daubers cram as many as two dozen small spiders into a nest cell.

To capture a spider, the wasp grabs it and stings it. The venom from the sting does not kill the spider, but paralyzes and preserves it so it can be transported and stored in the nest cell until consumed by the larva. A mud dauber usually lays its egg on the prey item and then seals it into the nest cell with a mud cap.[1] It then builds another cell or nest. Missouri’s mud daubers generally have two generations per year. The young survive the winter inside the nest.

471
dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:10:20pm

re: #468 Weaselone

The issue is that
1. The format would introduce his lies to an audience it might not normally reach and even with corrections would through repetition cause people to internalize them
2. The format might induce a certain fondness for him due to the entertainment/kitsch value of the videos that might boost his popularity.

ok then more than just one:

“that was a lie”
“that was a BIG lie”
“that’s a lie he repeats a lot”
“that’s not even possible”
“that’s not the way any of this works”

should do it

472
Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:14:12pm

re: #442 jaunte

Bush and Obama understood how markets work, which is why they chose to help GM.

473
Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:18:23pm

re: #468 Weaselone

The issue is that
1. The format would introduce his lies to an audience it might not normally reach and even with corrections would through repetition cause people to internalize them
2. The format might induce a certain fondness for him due to the entertainment/kitsch value of the videos that might boost his popularity.

At the same time, if they did bubble pop-ups with facts (not “it’s a lie” over and over) people would be more likely to read and absorb them.

474
Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:27:40pm

re: #472 Belafon

Bush and Obama understood how markets work, which is why they chose to help GM.

When I was a kid Danville, Il had an assembly plant (Ford, I think) and Urbana-Champaign had the University of Illinois (and Kraft Foods, to be fair). Both had thriving middle class. When the assembly plant left Danville it became a shadow of its former self as businesses that relied on workers with paychecks stopped getting customers. That’s the usual story. Hard to reverse.

475
Interesting Times  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:30:47pm

re: #473 Belafon

At the same time, if they did bubble pop-ups with facts (not “it’s a lie” over and over) people would be more likely to read and absorb them.

Exactly - the best way to rebut a lie (without inadvertently reinforcing it) is to relentlessly repeat the actual facts you want people to remember instead.

476
Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:33:01pm

re: #427 jaunte

There it is:

[Embedded content]

I want to know if that prick deliberately shorted the stock.

477
Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:35:27pm

re: #476 Joe Bacon 🌹

I want to know if that prick deliberately shorted the stock.

That is an interesting thought. He or someone who is going to “rent” or “buy” one of his properties well over current market value.

478
Archangelus  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:35:27pm

re: #376 MsJ

Ugh, perhaps “convoluted” is more appropriate.

Some seem to think that my view stems from a perceived comparison and equivalence of the justified plight of those at the border (and no, I’m not arguing to the contrary in any way or form) to the Holocaust alone. It’s not. My beef is with her juxtaposition of the border matter and all three instances she so casually mentioned, and for numerous reasons.

“I understand but she’s not saying the situations are the same”

Except that she kinda is, regardless of whether she intended to or not. Cortez may not be flat-out saying that, but she’s seemingly established that in the eyes of many. Don’t just take my word for it- see some of the reactions and/or backlash over how it’s been perceived and portrayed, including beyond the US. In Israel, folks on the left & right alike have been raging over it so far; leading news headlines included “Rising Dem Star Compares Border Immigrants to Holocaust Survivors,” and to use one quote, the main argument is primarily that “Through the very act of bringing up the Jewish Remnant in the context of those trying to make it to the US, she’s establishing a parallel and essentially cheapening and trivializing the events of the Shoah.” (and don’t get me started on the comments - abnormally high, and all bad).

The circumstances that brought those poor people to the border are horrifying, & no one in their right mind should be contesting that. That being stated, they are not the same as in the Holocaust (though bearing some similarities, as has been pointed out), just as they are not the same as in the Rwandan genocide, and as they are not the same as in the Syrian civil war.
And lumping those three together with the border disaster in such a superficial manner as Cortez did risks trivializing the circumstances of all.

“There are two types of arguments. One is that there are many who don’t want history watered down by endless comparisons treated as equivalences, and this is fair. The other says that because this is different than what happened before, we’re all fine, and this is stupid. The solution to the first point is go ahead and make comparisons while being careful to not claim they are equivalences.”

I’m with those who think she wasn’t careful enough. It was careless, sloppy, & unnecessary. She could have kept it at “Asking to be considered a refugee & applying for status isn’t a crime” and all would be well. Instead it’s come off as offensive to many, distracting and worst of all, fodder for scumbags looking to delegitimize those at the border.

479
dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:35:40pm

re: #469 Hecuba’s daughter

It is an interesting approach but flawed: I wouldn’t be surprised if many viewers are like me: doing household chores or driving the car while listening to the news. So I would not be aware of these fact checks.

with some tweaking and feedback they come up with something better
maybe start a trend - figure out tv, figure out radio, etc

480
dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:36:26pm

re: #470 nines09

I think every scary sci fi monster horror film has a real life character in nature. just off the top of my head. Mud dauber wasps.
Wiki;
Like most other wasps, mud daubers are predators. The females not only build the nests, but also they hunt to provision them. However, pipe-organ mud dauber males have reportedly brought spiders to the nest, and they aid in nest guarding.

Black and yellow mud daubers primarily prey on relatively small, colorful spiders, such as crab spiders (and related groups), orb weavers and some jumping spiders. They usually find them in and around vegetation. Blue mud daubers are the main predator of the black and brown widow spiders.

Adults of both sexes frequently drink flower nectar, but they stock their nests with spiders, which serve as food for their offspring. Mud daubers prefer particular kinds and sizes of spiders for their larders. Instead of stocking a nest cell with one or two large spiders, mud daubers cram as many as two dozen small spiders into a nest cell.

To capture a spider, the wasp grabs it and stings it. The venom from the sting does not kill the spider, but paralyzes and preserves it so it can be transported and stored in the nest cell until consumed by the larva. A mud dauber usually lays its egg on the prey item and then seals it into the nest cell with a mud cap.[1] It then builds another cell or nest. Missouri’s mud daubers generally have two generations per year. The young survive the winter inside the nest.

you’re all sunshine and rainbows today ;-)


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