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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:37:36am
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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:37:46am

RIP

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:40:08am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:43:08am

re: #1 Kragar

Aquaman?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:44:25am

re: #1 Kragar

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lawhawk  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:44:42am

re: #1 Kragar

I hear there’s good property opportunities in Florida. Oh wait, a 5-10 foot sea level rise means that… most urban areas in Florida are disappeared.

That right there is why the GOP doesn’t believe in global warming and climate change.

They think they win because they don’t have to worry about what happens to the urban and coastal areas when they get swamped, even though that’s where majority of Americans live, the bulk of American wealth is concentrated, and economic output is concentrated.

They also ignore the costs that aren’t directly visible by the lost ports and infrastructure. There’s a reason that ports like NY, Philly, Baltimore, Miami, Norfolk, etc., are where they are - natural ports and deep water with access to infrastructure. Sea level rise throws all that away and means we have to address where/how imports/exports arrive and get distributed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:45:28am

Someone did an analysis of Shapiro’s ‘debate skills’, and concluded that they consist entirely of talking fast and confidently while lying shamelessly.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:48:13am

the average Trump voter is not concerned with Climate Change because they figure they will be dead soon anyway and it is someone else’s problem.

Self-centered, coddled, entitled fuckfaces all.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:49:06am

So election law scholar who said something really damned stupid on Slate last week has a new column up.

He doubles down on stupid:

I wrote in an earlier Slate piece that it is dangerous rhetoric to claim the Georgia election was “stolen,” because such language undermines confidence in the fairness of the election process and because it takes the focus away from the dignity of each voter. This lawsuit strikes the right balance, by bringing the focus back to each voter.

I disagree.

He gets butthurt and hilarity ensues.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:49:23am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Ah the intelligent voice of the young right. And yeah he’s playing dumb people but holy shit.

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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:51:08am

GTA (Giant Turd Asteroid) will save a couple of keystrokes when used in lieu of POTUS.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:51:30am

re: #2 teleskiguy

Dude was one of the most experienced riders of East Vail, he knew every nook and cranny of that zone, he’d probably been back there a thousand times, we all called him The Mayor of East Vail. This one hurts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:52:48am

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone did an analysis of Shapiro’s ‘debate skills’, and concluded that they consist entirely of talking fast and confidently while lying shamelessly.

I have a conservative gay friend who employ that method of debating as well.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:55:41am

I wrote to Hasen at length:

I realize I am habitually combative and have sharp elbows on twitter. I make no apologies for that. The exchange last night may have been sharper than I intended, although I stand by my overall take on your previous writing on Slate.

I firmly believe that an outside academic telling voters, particularly people of color with a centuries long history of suppression and oppression on how to characterize their own experience is ethnocentric hubris. Your statement:

I wrote in an earlier Slate piece that it is dangerous rhetoric to claim the Georgia election was “stolen,” because such language undermines confidence in the fairness of the election process and because it takes the focus away from the dignity of each voter.

This flies in the face of documented evidence that the race had already been undermined by the very people charged with protecting electoral integrity and badly misplaces blame. The dignity of the voters was effectively stolen by the process: multi hour waits in line, suppressed registrations, mass role purges and so on. These actions were aimed quite specifically at people of color. You flip the burden onto the complainants to uphold a dignity that was already missing in action from official actions designed specifically to take that dignity in the first place. To add insult to injury, you then tell people that a justifiable (in my view) characterization of the election as ‘stolen’ undermines confidence in the system. What exactly is the basis for confidence in the first place? Why should any Georgia voter have confidence in a system that was specifically gamed to keep voters from expressing their will?

In your writing, you provide no methodology for evaluating your claims made above. There is no means by which they can be tested. You provide no explanatory framework to allow even rudimentary common agreement on the term ‘stolen’. This effectively leaves every reader to use their own colloquial understanding and personal gauge for how some action may constitute a theft, and with which you have already informed them they are wrong. We have no basis upon which to contest your assertion because we never agreed on terminology to begin with. Essentially, as was made clear by one of your defenders on twitter, we are supposed to just acquiesce based on you academic pedigree even though you are not making an academic argument. You are offering pablum as panacea, and then revert to a self reverential appeal to authority to wave away critics.

He wrote back to tell me his work stands for itself and he doesn’t want to talk to me.

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retired cynic  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:56:48am

re: #14 Scottish Dragon

Good for you!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:57:57am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 28, 2018 • 11:58:32am

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone did an analysis of Shapiro’s ‘debate skills’, and concluded that they consist entirely of talking fast and confidently while lying shamelessly.

I’ve heard more than one say that Jesus will come back before then so there’s no reason to worry.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:01:09pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:01:15pm

If Jesus does come back, THE RWNJs will try to deport Him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:03:05pm

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve heard more than one say that Jesus will come back before then so there’s no reason to worry.

I remember Jim Watt telling us that in the early 80’s.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:03:58pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:03:59pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If Jesus does come back, THE RWNJs will try to deport Him.

…and Sinclair News will have its local stations broadcast a mandatory op-ed on why it was right and unavoidable

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:04:05pm

It’s snowing up in the mountains today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:05:27pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Exactly. This is why Science doesn’t use debate as a method for finding truth. Debate is about showmanship and appearing confident. It’s about convincing the uninformed of your position. It’s not about determining what is true, on the basis of reason and available evidence.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:06:23pm

re: #6 lawhawk

I hear there’s good property opportunities in Florida. Oh wait, a 5-10 foot sea level rise means that… most urban areas in Florida are disappeared.

That right there is why the GOP doesn’t believe in global warming and climate change.

They think they win because they don’t have to worry about what happens to the urban and coastal areas when they get swamped, even though that’s where majority of Americans live, the bulk of American wealth is concentrated, and economic output is concentrated.

They also ignore the costs that aren’t directly visible by the lost ports and infrastructure. There’s a reason that ports like NY, Philly, Baltimore, Miami, Norfolk, etc., are where they are - natural ports and deep water with access to infrastructure. Sea level rise throws all that away and means we have to address where/how imports/exports arrive and get distributed.

the smart people are gonna want to sell now!!! //

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CongoJack  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:06:28pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

Exactly. This is why Science doesn’t use debate as a method for finding truth. Debate is about showmanship and appearing confident. It’s about convincing the uninformed of your position. It’s not about determining what is true, on the basis of reason and available evidence.

I just got a flashback to the John Hamm and Bill Nye debate.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:08:02pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:08:42pm

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Sir John Barron  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:09:48pm

re: #27 Kragar

“I’m also a very serious person…..”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:09:54pm

re: #27 Kragar

Yeah. That’ll fucking work.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:10:27pm

re: #29 Sir John Barron

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:10:28pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I have retained attorney Larry Klayman to assist David Gray in my defense. In a memo to my attorneys, I have instructed Klayman and Gray to file with Acting AG Whitaker a criminal complaint against Mueller’s Special Counsel and the DOJ for prosecutorial misconduct in my case.

IANAL and i dont think thats how any of this works

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:10:52pm

re: #25 dangerman

the smart people are gonna want to sell now!!! //

It would destroy much of the Florida aquifer with salt water encroachment. Agriculture etc would be wiped out.

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William Lewis  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:11:50pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If Jesus does come back, THE RWNJs will try to deport Him.

Dostoevsky was an optimist…

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:12:16pm
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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:12:33pm

re: #26 CongoJack

I just got a flashback to the John Hamm and Bill Nye debate.

which is why you dont engage with crackpots
it gives them legitimacy

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:12:52pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:13:55pm
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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:14:09pm

re: #33 Scottish Dragon

It would destroy much of the Florida aquifer with salt water encroachment. Agriculture etc would be wiped out.

and most of south florida is flat and just barely above sea level

the water’s gonna flow all the way across…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:14:43pm

re: #36 dangerman

which is why you dont engage with crackpots
it gives them legitimacy

John Oliver pointed out that although 97 out of 100 scientists agree with global warming, they only get one guy for each side for a TV debate instead of getting one denialist and 33 opposing him…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:14:44pm

He just defeated Barbara Lee for the House Democratic Caucus Chair

example

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:16:01pm
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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:16:43pm
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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:17:29pm
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:18:15pm

re: #44 Kragar

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Perfect.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:18:45pm

The Michael Mann movie about this era of our history is going to be entertaining as hell.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:19:40pm

re: #46 Scottish Dragon

The Michael Mann movie about this era of our history is going to be entertaining as hell.

The Coen Bros.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:20:40pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

John Oliver pointed out that although 97 out of 100 scientists agree with global warming, they only get one guy for each side for a TV debate instead of getting one denialist and 33 opposing him…

another reason why the framing is a bad idea

and this is one of my peeves with the climate change and some other scientific discussions - i realize the idea is to simplify it down and talk in non-jargonese

- still the “97 out of 100” part is not helpful
- it makes it sound like a vote or a contest
(and we know how people tend to see those as us vs them)

- which then justifies the idea (hope!) that those 3 might just be right
- and if they could only convince the others to vote differently…..

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:21:20pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

The Coen Bros.

John Goodman should play Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:21:54pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

The Coen Bros.

BEat me to it.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:21:58pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

The Coen Bros.

Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:22:49pm

re: #49 Big Beautiful Door

John Goodman should play Trump.

Louie Anderson.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:23:44pm

re: #43 MsJ

Do you honestly expect anything less from a complete lunatic like Corsi? The guy is just like trump in that he lies as easily as he breathes. He’s dumber than trump which is saying a lot.

by constantly taking to twitter (and spewing this legalistic nonsense), all he and trump et al are doing is shamelessly continuing to promote themselves and their ‘brand’ while they know they are fighting the losing battle legally

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:24:09pm

re: #49 Big Beautiful Door

John Goodman should play Trump.

Jordan Peele

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:24:20pm

Oliver Stone would probably do these fucking clowns justice on the silver screen.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:24:22pm

Now, would any of those 32 (and the 3 blanks) actually vote for whichever republican is offered up for Speaker?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:24:35pm

re: #49 Big Beautiful Door

John Goodman should play Trump.

Again beat me to it. Get Tara Reid to play Melania or Ivanka or KAC. John Turturro can play Schumer. Frances McDormand as Nancy Pelosi. Tim Blake Nelson for Sessions. Buscemi as Pence. Jeff Bridges can play Biden. Don Cheadle as Obama(I don’t think they’ve ever worked with him before) Clooney can play Acosta.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:25:05pm

re: #49 Big Beautiful Door

John Goodman should play Trump.

he was president on the West Wing for a couple of episodes
that’s more experience than trump came in with

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:25:46pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:26:18pm
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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:26:35pm

re: #52 MsJ

Louie Anderson.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:26:36pm

re: #54 Kragar

Jordan Peele

That would be hysterical!!

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:26:41pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

Oliver Stone would probably do these fucking clowns justice on the silver screen.

He is a suck up to Putin. Pass.

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lawhawk  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:27:22pm

re: #44 Kragar

Orly Taitz is pissed that she’s not at the front of that line…

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:27:30pm

re: #62 MsJ

That would be hysterical!!

With Bill Hader as Mike Pence

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:27:31pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Again beat me to it. Get Tara Reid to play Melania or Ivanka or KAC. John Turturro can play Schumer. Frances McDormand as Nancy Pelosi. Tim Blake Nelson for Sessions. Buscemi as Pence. Jeff Bridges can play Biden. Don Cheadle as Obama(I don’t think they’ve ever worked with him before) Clooney can play Acosta.

Tommy Lee Jones as Mueller

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:27:39pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

He just defeated Barbara Lee for the House Democratic Caucus Chair

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I don’t get people. They say WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP. And here’s Jefferies who is under 50 and a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. I like Barbara Lee but there’s nothing wrong with Jeffries.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:28:16pm

re: #54 Kragar

Jordan Peele

Shit get Jordan to play Obama rather than Don Cheadle for the Coen Bros one. Jordan can do dark humor really well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:28:57pm

re: #66 Big Beautiful Door

Tommy Lee Jones as Mueller

Nah TLJ is too Texas. I like what you’re on to but get me someone a little more blue blood but with a bad ass side.

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makeitstop  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:29:21pm

re: #59 Scottish Dragon

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I read that article this morning. Man, did it ever put me in a bad mood.

The Trump connections are plentiful. And I can’t help but wonder again what’s become of all those missing immigrant kids.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:29:51pm

re: #63 Scottish Dragon

He is a suck up to Putin. Pass.

He’s also a 9/11 truther and JFK conspiracy theorist. But goddamn he’s a pretty good filmmaker, IMHO.

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makeitstop  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:31:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:31:09pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

He’s also a 9/11 truther and JFK conspiracy theorist. But goddamn he’s a pretty good filmmaker, IMHO.

He tells a good story. JFK is bullshit but it’s a fascinating story. Ditto what he did with Nixon. And Platoon is also a great story. Get me the Coens though for this because this is the story they were born to direct.

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:31:34pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

RIP

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:32:23pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Nah TLJ is too Texas. I like what you’re on to but get me someone a little more blue blood but with a bad ass side.

Is Jon Hamm the perfect square jawed guy for the role?

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ipsos  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:33:25pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

Is Jon Hamm the perfect square jawed guy for the role?

I think SNL already nailed it with DeNiro.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:34:40pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

Is Jon Hamm the perfect square jawed guy for the role?

I think he’s a little too young. I was thinking someone like Robert Redford honestly. Who would be comparable to Redford who is around 60-65 years old?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:35:33pm

re: #76 ipsos

I think SNL already nailed it with DeNiro.

I think DeNiro does a good job but I always see DeNiro. And I don’t know why but Mueller strikes me as tall and stocky whereas Bobby D and I love DeNiro is more shorter and stocky.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:35:45pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:37:17pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Michael Biehn

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:37:42pm

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone did an analysis of Shapiro’s ‘debate skills’, and concluded that they consist entirely of talking fast and confidently while lying shamelessly.

7 Reasons Ben Shapiro Is So Dominant In Debates

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:38:20pm

re: #80 Kragar

Michael Biehn

That’s a great pick actually. Or if you want to go with another Terminator alumnus, Robert Patrick.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:39:30pm

SO MUCH WINNING ! ! !
Are you sick of it yet ? ? ?
Are ya’?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:40:10pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

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Video

He has this weird fetish of thinking that debating people he disagrees with and beating them at debate means he’s right and the other person is stupid. I admit it. Political debate isn’t my forte but intellectual honesty isn’t Ben’s and that’s what the cornerstone of political debate/discussion should be rooted in.

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lawhawk  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:41:31pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Discover Klayman again…

He’s the guy who files lawsuits in hopes of getting discovery, and most of his cases fail. He gets backing of GOPers, no matter how deep in the weeds he’s going, because they hope he can dig up dirt on their enemies.

He’s been banned from practicing before at least two judges for his misconduct. There’s still a matter pending before the DC Bar for misconduct.

And more recently, he supposedly represented Roy Moore in a suit against Sasha Baron Cohen.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:42:18pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

I think he’s a little too young. I was thinking someone like Robert Redford honestly. Who would be comparable to Redford who is around 60-65 years old?

Also too pretty. I’m thinking Sam Waterston.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:42:19pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Discover Klayman again…

He’s the guy who files lawsuits in hopes of getting discovery, and most of his cases fail. He gets backing of GOPers, no matter how deep in the weeds he’s going, because they hope he can dig up dirt on their enemies.

He’s been banned from practicing before at least two judges for his misconduct. There’s still a matter pending before the DC Bar for misconduct.

And more recently, he supposedly represented Roy Moore in a suit against Sasha Baron Cohen.

He also sued my hometown for a day labor site 11 years ago. For someone who is part of an ideology that supposedly opposes frivolous lawsuits, he engages in a lot of them.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:42:43pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

I don’t get people. They say WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP. And here’s Jefferies who is under 50 and a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. I like Barbara Lee but there’s nothing wrong with Jeffries.

I can’t pull up a map, but his district is really close to the one AOC will represent if I understand the descriptions in wikipedia correctly. I’m curious how he would be significantly different than her.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:42:45pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Discover Klayman again…

He’s the guy who files lawsuits in hopes of getting discovery, and most of his cases fail. He gets backing of GOPers, no matter how deep in the weeds he’s going, because they hope he can dig up dirt on their enemies.

He’s been banned from practicing before at least two judges for his misconduct. There’s still a matter pending before the DC Bar for misconduct.

And more recently, he supposedly represented Roy Moore in a suit against Sasha Baron Cohen.

He also lost custody of his children due to claims of child abuse

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:43:15pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

He tells a good story. JFK is bullshit but it’s a fascinating story. Ditto what he did with Nixon. And Platoon is also a great story. Get me the Coens though for this because this is the story they were born to direct.

I like Mann for it because Mann does noir-ish crime and paranoia really, really well. The Insider, Heat and Collateral come to mind.

Since this a criminal conspiracy presidency, we can use a criminal conspiracy movie maker.

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makeitstop  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:43:38pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Also too pretty. I’m thinking Sam Waterston.

Then all I’d see is Jack McCoy. He could definitely pull it off, though.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:43:51pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

I think DeNiro does a good job but I always see DeNiro. And I don’t know why but Mueller strikes me as tall and stocky whereas Bobby D and I love DeNiro is more shorter and stocky.

You could go with Vince Vaughn.

But hey, if Tom Cruise could play Jack Reacher (who is 6’5” and 230+) anyone can play anyone.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:43:58pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Also too pretty. I’m thinking Sam Waterston.

That’s exactly who I would have in mind! Yes! Sam is perfect for Mueller. Sam’s got a bit of a Blue Blood, old money look to him but he’s also definitely the kind of guy who kicks ass and takes names too. I’d see Waterston’s Mueller as a more by the books and reserved Jack McCoy type.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:45:15pm

re: #88 Belafon

I can’t pull up a map, but his district is really close to the one AOC will represent if I understand the descriptions in wikipedia correctly. I’m curious how he would be significantly different than her.

I think it’s just that he’s not Barbara Lee, someone who understandably has been popular with the left of the party for a long time but someone I’m not sure if that translates into leadership material.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:46:07pm

re: #90 Scottish Dragon

I like Mann for it because Mann does noir-ish crime and paranoia really, really well. The Insider, Heat and Collateral come to mind.

Since this a criminal conspiracy presidency, we can use a criminal conspiracy movie maker.

Would he show an epic trump head exploding scene? Because I am fully on board with that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:46:12pm

re: #92 MsJ

You could go with Vince Vaughn.

But hey, if Tom Cruise could play Jack Reacher (who is 6’5” and 230+) anyone can play anyone.

Yeah but we’re talking a real person here. I like BFBW’s idea of Sam Waterston. That’s exactly who I had in mind but hadn’t thought of him.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:46:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:47:38pm

re: #92 MsJ

You could go with Vince Vaughn.

But hey, if Tom Cruise could play Jack Reacher (who is 6’5” and 230+) anyone can play anyone.

As Mrs. FBW likes to sarcastically say, “The theater is no place to pretend to be someone you aren’t.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:47:54pm

re: #97 Kragar

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Do you ever stop grifting, Jerome? You’ve been selling the same shitty books for nearly half my life. Can’t wait for your 2020 book on why Kamala Harris worships Satan and eats babies for brunch!

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gwangung  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:51:02pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

He just defeated Barbara Lee for the House Democratic Caucus Chair

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Huh. By some scorecards, he ranks in the top 10% of the most progressive Reps…..

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:51:45pm

Since August three people’s Facebook pages on my time line have turned into memorials, the most recent last night.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:52:04pm

re: #100 gwangung

Huh. By some scorecards, he ranks in the top 10% of the most progressive Reps…..

Yeah his record looks pretty legitimate to me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:52:17pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Since August three people’s Facebook pages on my time line have turned into memorials, the most recent last night.

Damn man, that’s awful.

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gwangung  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:52:47pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Slightly less progressive than Ted Lieu. Probably not nearly as progressive as Rep. Jayapal, though.

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lawhawk  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:53:25pm

Mood music: Audioslave edition:

Audioslave - Show Me How to Live (Video)

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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:53:45pm

“SILENT NO MORE: One more book from a guy who doesn’t know when to shut up.”

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Jay C  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:53:46pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

I think DeNiro does a good job but I always see DeNiro. And I don’t know why but Mueller strikes me as tall and stocky whereas Bobby D and I love DeNiro is more shorter and stocky.

DeNiro has the right face for Mueller, IMO: but myself, I’d go with Bryan Cranston.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:53:50pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Damn man, that’s awful.

Two suicides and a snowboarding accident in the backcountry. I’m emotionally spent.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:54:17pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:54:44pm
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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:55:25pm

re: #98 Blind Frog Belly White

As Mrs. FBW likes to sarcastically say, “The theater is no place to pretend to be someone you aren’t.”

I…uhm…well, I see a teeny tiny flaw….nah….I got nothin’.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:56:06pm

re: #104 gwangung

Slightly less progressive than Ted Lieu. Probably not nearly as progressive as Rep. Jayapal, though.

Yet probably more progressive than anyone Mark Penn, he who pushed the anti Pelosi coup would want.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:56:37pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

Two suicides and a snowboarding accident in the backcountry. I’m emotionally spent.

I recall seeing this article in Salon Magazine some six years ago, he was a neighbor and a bandmate. We were never close friends but I totally admired his musicianship and I still play a Guild guitar that I traded him for in 1996.

salon.com

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:56:45pm
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lawhawk  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:56:56pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

And I fully approve of her use of the term dumbassery (which is one of my fallback terms to identify reason for blocking).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:57:19pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

Two suicides and a snowboarding accident in the backcountry. I’m emotionally spent.

I hear ya. I was reminded about my cousin’s mother the other day since someone called asking about her estate. My number showed up as a close relative and I directed her my cousin’s way. That was a tough loss. She was obviously older than your friends but it never is easy to lose someone you love and care for.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:57:57pm

re: #114 Kragar

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Up in the sky, it’s a bird, no it’s KKKlayman!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 12:58:30pm

re: #107 Jay C

DeNiro has the right face for Mueller, IMO: but myself, I’d go with Bryan Cranston.

I can see Cranston.

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lawhawk  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:00:16pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I can see Cranston.

I’d go with someone like Josh Brolin, who’s done the square jawed thing with aplomb.

But Cranston is a good pick.

And here’s the twist. He appears throughout the movie, but never actually says a word.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:01:50pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wait, I thought we wanted younger leadership? So why are people upset that a 48 year old member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus beat out a 72 year old member of the same caucus?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:01:57pm

Tim Blake Nelson could play Yurtle.

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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:02:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:02:11pm

re: #119 lawhawk

I’d go with someone like Josh Brolin, who’s done the square jawed thing with aplomb.

But Cranston is a good pick.

And here’s the twist. He appears throughout the movie, but never actually says a word.

That gets me at another thing. I can’t hear Mueller at all because he’s such a quiet guy. I like that though. Mueller is a man of few words but a man of many deeds. Okay, I know he’s Irish but maybe Liam Neeson could work possibly since we don’t need any speaking.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:02:59pm

re: #120 KGxvi

Wait, I thought we wanted younger leadership? So why are people upset that a 48 year old member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus beat out a 72 year old member of the same caucus?

Lee has always been one of their favorites going back to the Bush years. But yeah I don’t get it. Their records I guarantee you are very similar for the most part.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:03:04pm

re: #107 Jay C

DeNiro has the right face for Mueller, IMO: but myself, I’d go with Bryan Cranston.

Bring some of the Walter White vibe to the role. But not the hat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:06:38pm
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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:10:18pm

re: #122 gocart mozart

This is a major pet peeve of mine, but I feel the need for a rant:

Stop referring to women as “females”, stop referring to men as “males.” Calling a woman a female dehumanizes her. Calling a man a male dehumanizes him. There is a word for female human being, it is “woman.” Just as there is a word for male human being, it is “man.” Anyone who calls men and women, males and females, I immediately suspect is an asshole (of the misogynistic variety).

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Weaselone  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:12:05pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

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I love the fact that the guy analyzing the debate style doesn’t actually get what Ben’s techniques actually are in many cases.

For example
1. In the pushing for specific example, Ben’s not actually pushing for specifics. He’s deliberately misrepresenting what institutional racism actually is because much of his audience is unfamiliar with it.
2. In the moving to concrete example, Ben just spouts a bunch of BS and goes warlords and 6 dollars a day. He’s not going concrete, he’s deliberately shifting the premise of the debate with a bit of handwaving BS followed up with standard, herp, herp, at least our poor aren’t as poor as the people in the 3rd world.
3. The guy narrating the video goes on at length about Ben’s research and sourcing. That’s BS. Ben pulls facts out of his ass and when challenged pulls the source out of his ass. The moon’s made out of blue cheese and white jelly beans. NASA says so.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:14:07pm

re: #127 KGxvi

This is a major pet peeve of mine, but I feel the need for a rant:

Stop referring to women as “females”, stop referring to men as “males.” Calling a woman a female dehumanizes her. Calling a man a male dehumanizes him. There is a word for female human being, it is “woman.” Just as there is a word for male human being, it is “man.” Anyone who calls men and women, males and females, I immediately suspect is an asshole (of the misogynistic variety).

So, you’re not down with Lloyd Fletch and his All-Male Orchestra, then?

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:14:41pm

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall seeing this article in Salon Magazine some six years ago, he was a neighbor and a bandmate. We were never close friends but I totally admired his musicianship and I still play a Guild guitar that I traded him for in 1996.

salon.com

Thank you for this. That was a good read about a good but troubled dude.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:14:53pm

re: #127 KGxvi

This is a major pet peeve of mine, but I feel the need for a rant:

Stop referring to women as “females”, stop referring to men as “males.” Calling a woman a female dehumanizes her. Calling a man a male dehumanizes him. There is a word for female human being, it is “woman.” Just as there is a word for male human being, it is “man.” Anyone who calls men and women, males and females, I immediately suspect is an asshole (of the misogynistic variety).

Men dogs, women cows, men birds, etc. There’s actually a perfectly legitimate use for the terms, even when talking about humans.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:15:33pm

re: #131 Belafon

Men dogs, women cows, men birds, etc. There’s actually a perfectly legitimate use for the terms, even when talking about humans.

I think he means using them as nouns, not adjectives.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:17:00pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

When Britain gets cheap enough JK can buy it, then it can finally be done right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:17:34pm

Saw an NPR article on FB, titled, “Killing Of American Missionary Ignites Debate Over How To Evangelize”

Here’s a thought: Don’t.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:18:02pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

I think he means using them as nouns, not adjectives.

Except even in that case, it’s just an adjective with an implicit noun.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:20:31pm

I think he means instead of male and female just say man and woman.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:20:35pm

re: #131 Belafon

Men dogs, women cows, men birds, etc. There’s actually a perfectly legitimate use for the terms, even when talking about humans.

If you’re saying “male human being”, sure. But men/women are terms that specifically refer to genders of a specific species - just as buck and doe or bull and cow/heifer, specifically refer to the sexes of a specific species.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:20:43pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

Saw an NPR article on FB, titled, “Killing Of American Missionary Ignites Debate Over How To Evangelize”

Here’s a thought: Don’t.

Somebody comes into my house after calling it part of Satan’s kingdom, saying he’s going to convert me, I’d shoot the SOB too.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:22:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:22:17pm

re: #135 Belafon

Except even in that case, it’s just an adjective with an implicit noun.

Not sure I concur. I think it’s used as a noun, i.e. male = man, female = woman. Merriam Webster defines ‘male’ as a noun, in addition to an adjective.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:22:58pm

re: #138 Kragar

Somebody comes into my house after calling it part of Satan’s kingdom, saying he’s going to convert me, I’d shoot the SOB too.

I got some bows’n’arras you can borrow….

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:23:33pm

Actually I’m really surprised you’d be weirded out by “male” and female” but not “men” and “women” or “man” and “woman” since all of the female terms derive from the male ones.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:23:49pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

Saw an NPR article on FB, titled, “Killing Of American Missionary Ignites Debate Over How To Evangelize”

Here’s a thought: Don’t.

I wonder how Evangelicals would feel if some animalistic missionary tried converting them and telling them their entire view of creation meant they were hell bound if they didn’t accept that. There’s always been cultural imperialism in missionary work. Some missionary work that focuses on helping people is okay I guess but that guy went to those islands knowing notta damn about the culture and people and just souls to save and he paid with his life. I’m sorry he’s dead but he was wrong to do what he did.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:24:36pm

re: #138 Kragar

Somebody comes into my house after calling it part of Satan’s kingdom, saying he’s going to convert me, I’d shoot the SOB too.

Add to that he’s carrying diseases that might kill you and your family as well.

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plansbandc  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:25:19pm

Female makes me cringe too. Always seems to be used in an incredibly patronizing way.

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:25:22pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Add to that he’s carrying diseases that might kill you and your family as well.

Head on a pike seems lenient.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:26:16pm

“A retweet was posted last night on @stevenmnuchin1 by someone other than the Secretary or an individual with authorized access to his account,” Mnuchin said Wednesday on Twitter.

“As such, the retweet is being deleted.”

Aforementioned tweet

Of course, bailout has been paid back

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:27:34pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

Not sure I concur. I think it’s used as a noun, i.e. male = man, female = woman. Merriam Webster defines ‘male’ as a noun, in addition to an adjective.

I went and read the dictionary.com version, which made it equal to man.

I wonder what Hemingway would use?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:28:24pm

You hate to see anyone killed and I do feel bad for their loss but show some respect to other cultures. That’s something fundamentalists of all religions fail at time and time again.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:28:54pm

I should say that I find word preferences interesting. And I love the argument over “moist” being the worst word in the English language.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:29:41pm

re: #148 Belafon

I went and read the dictionary.com version, which made it equal to man.

I wonder what Hemingway would use?

(Hemingway downs his 11th Papa Doble in one gulp, looks blearily at the questioner, and vomits on his shoes.)

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Kragar  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:29:45pm

re: #150 Belafon

I should say that I find word preferences interesting. And I love the argument over “moist” being the worst word in the English language.

I will once again state that innuendo is the dirtiest sounding word.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:31:46pm

re: #150 Belafon

I should say that I find word preferences interesting. And I love the argument over “moist” being the worst word in the English language.

“SULTRY! The night was sultry!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:32:08pm

re: #152 Kragar

I will once again state that innuendo is the dirtiest sounding word.

Love goes out the door when money comes innuendo.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:32:16pm

re: #142 Belafon

Actually I’m really surprised you’d be weirded out by “male” and female” but not “men” and “women” or “man” and “woman” since all of the female terms derive from the male ones.

The reason it bothers me is because it is purposefully misusing the language in order to dehumanize people. It’s a trick I’ve seen the alt-right types use in order to tout not only their misogynistic credentials, but to dehumanize those not like them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:33:11pm

re: #155 KGxvi

The reason it bothers me is because it is purposefully misusing the language in order to dehumanize people. It’s a trick I’ve seen the alt-right types use in order to tout not only their misogynistic credentials, but to dehumanize those not like them.

As a Shakespeare fan, I hate cuck being abused.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:33:39pm

re: #150 Belafon

I should say that I find word preferences interesting. And I love the argument over “moist” being the worst word in the English language.

Then why don’t you?
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Yes, they are. Especially the perfectly acceptable word choices that somehow make one cringe.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:37:07pm

re: #157 Blind Frog Belly White

Then why don’t you?
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Yes, they are. Especially the perfectly acceptable word choices that somehow make one cringe.

I will later.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:40:37pm

Michael Avenatti is an arrogant, publicity hungry piece of shit who was more interested in personally running for President against Trump than serving Stormy Daniel’s best interests. He should serve as a cautionary example to every liberal who shallowly declared him a great candidate for 2020 because “he’s a street fighter.”

“For months I’ve asked Michael Avenatti to give me accounting information about the fund my supporters so generously donated to for my safety and legal defense. He has repeatedly ignored those requests. Days ago I demanded again, repeatedly, that he tell me how the money was being spent and how much was left. Instead of answering me, without my permission or even my knowledge Michael launched another crowdfunding campaign to raise money on my behalf. I learned about it on Twitter.

I haven’t decided yet what to do about legal representation moving forward. Michael has been a great advocate in many ways. I’m tremendously grateful to him for aggressively representing me in my fight to regain my voice. But in other ways Michael has not treated me with the respect and deference an attorney should show to a client. He has spoken on my behalf without my approval. He filed a defamation case against Donald Trump against my wishes. He repeatedly refused to tell me how my legal defense fund was being spent. Now he has launched a new crowdfunding campaign using my face and name without my permission and attributing words to me that I never wrote or said. I’m deeply grateful to my supporters and they deserve to know their money is being spent responsibly. I don’t want to hurt Michael, but it’s time to set the record straight. The truth has always been my greatest ally.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:40:41pm

If Jesse Ventura runs as the Green Party nominee in 2020, there is not enough booze/weed/meth/cocaine in the world to get us past election day.

Jesse Ventura Considering Running For President, ‘Trump Won’t Have a Chance!’ | TMZ Sports

Also, I’m going to just go ahead and volunteer to be part of the first terraforming mission to Mars if this comes to pass.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:42:33pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

Michael Avenatti is an arrogant, publicity hungry piece of shit who was more interested in personally running for President against Trump than serving Stormy Daniel’s best interests. He should serve as a cautionary example to every liberal who shallowly declared him a great candidate for 2020 because “he’s a street fighter.”

Between this and the Kavanaugh confirmation stunt, Mr. Avenatti should be expecting some correspondence from the State Bar.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:42:43pm

Years ago, I was talking about something with a girl I was dating, and I said that something was different than something else.

She suddenly, and triumphantly, announced “Things are different FROM, not different THAN!” and all but said, “So there!”

Apparently she had long harbored resentment at my pedantic nature, but had kept it hidden till it burst forth, red in tooth and claw.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:44:00pm
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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:45:06pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

I don’t get people. They say WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP. And here’s Jefferies who is under 50 and a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. I like Barbara Lee but there’s nothing wrong with Jeffries.

he won
he ran, they voted for him and he won
the party voted for him
he got more votes than she did

how many ways to say this? what do they think is supposed to happen?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:45:34pm

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

A few months later, she broke up with me. But she kept dropping by my room* for late night necking sessions. So I must have been good for SOMETHING.

*We were in college

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:47:05pm

re: #161 KGxvi

Between this and the Kavanaugh confirmation stunt, Mr. Avenatti should be expecting some correspondence from the State Bar.

I’ve been extremely leery of him since at least July, when he had his testimony in his firm’s bankruptcy case sealed.

Transparency for thee but not for me.

I am grateful that he was instrumental in getting Michael Cohen to flip on Trump, but the guy has fucking issues.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:47:19pm

re: #97 Kragar

LOL, he’s already cobbled together a shit-tastic book about how he’s the victim because of course he has.

like i said above
he know’s he’s screwed
he cant turn off the grift
and by not taking a plea, he can d r a g this out and milk it some more

he’s going for the martyr angle. and he might be one. to maybe six people

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:48:07pm

re: #127 KGxvi

This is a major pet peeve of mine, but I feel the need for a rant:

Stop referring to women as “females”, stop referring to men as “males.” Calling a woman a female dehumanizes her. Calling a man a male dehumanizes him. There is a word for female human being, it is “woman.” Just as there is a word for male human being, it is “man.” Anyone who calls men and women, males and females, I immediately suspect is an asshole (of the misogynistic variety).

I see your point… however.

In some cases, using “male” or female” as an adjective — not a noun — is the best way to get a point across. For example, if Trump calls a reporter an “ugly dog” and I want to write a headline describing it succinctly, the fact that it’s a woman is important to get across.

And in a case like that, a headline like “Trump Calls Female Reporter ‘An Ugly Dog’” is pretty much the best way to do that, and I wouldn’t consider it dehumanizing. Other constructions are clumsy and wordy: “woman reporter,” “reporter who is a woman,” etc.

I’ve always thought of the terms “male” and “female” as adjectives.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:48:14pm

re: #164 dangerman

he won
he ran, they voted for him and he won
the party voted for him
he got more votes than she did

how many ways to say this? what do they think is supposed to happen?

There’s unfortunately a deeply undemocratic side to the self fancied progressives who insist that “the people “ didn’t want Pelosi or Clinton or now Jeffries but ignore that all three got more people supporting them than not. It amuses me so much as a former far lefty to see people using hypothetical polls as way someone should be nominated.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:49:15pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

I’ve been extremely leery of him since at least July, when he had his testimony in his firm’s bankruptcy case sealed.

Transparency for thee but not for me.

I am grateful that he was instrumental in getting Michael Cohen to flip on Trump, but the guy has fucking issues.

Yeah, when I read up on some of his past misadventures, my read was Saul Goodman with better suits. He seems to be one of those guys that believes his shit don’t stink and thus he can screw people over.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:49:24pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

I’ve been extremely leery of him since at least July, when he had his testimony in his firm’s bankruptcy case sealed.

Transparency for thee but not for me.

I am grateful that he was instrumental in getting Michael Cohen to flip on Trump, but the guy has fucking issues.

I was tbh when he started talking about running for potus. Focus on your clients, counselor.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:49:41pm

re: #160 KGxvi

If Jesse Ventura runs as the Green Party nominee in 2020, there is not enough booze/weed/meth/cocaine in the world to get us past election day.

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Video

Also, I’m going to just go ahead and volunteer to be part of the first terraforming mission to Mars if this comes to pass.

Christ, he looks like trump on crack (after a loooooong time on crack).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:50:40pm

re: #172 MsJ

Christ, he looks like trump on crack (after a loooooong time on crack).

Didn’t they both consider running for the Reform nomination in 2000 which is actually when people say Trump was a liberal Democrat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:50:40pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

I was tbh when he started talking about running for potus. Focus on your clients, counselor.

As the saying goes, he got out of his skis.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:51:20pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

I see your point… however.

In some cases, using “male” or female” as an adjective — not a noun — is the best way to get a point across. For example, if Trump calls a reporter an “ugly dog” and I want to write a headline describing it succinctly, the fact that it’s a woman is important to get across.

And in a case like that, a headline like “Trump Calls Female Reporter ‘An Ugly Dog’” is pretty much the best way to do that, and I wouldn’t consider it dehumanizing. Other constructions are clumsy and wordy: “woman reporter,” “reporter who is a woman,” etc.

I’ve always thought of the terms “male” and “female” as adjectives.

Using it as an adjective is fine. In fact, “female reporter” is the correct use because “reporter” is a non-gendered term and you want to clarify the circumstances. But saying, “those females over there won’t accept my advances” is a problem. Not just in the “female what?” sense of the statement, but again, it suggests that someone is less than a person.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:51:33pm

re: #174 Blind Frog Belly White

As the saying goes, he got out of his skis.

It’s too bad because he did a good job getting under Trump’s skin but it went to his head quickly.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:52:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:56:23pm

TBH aside from what he’s done as President, what annoys me the most about Trump is he’s taken away that we seriously consider someone’s creds to be President. I dunno. Always feel there’s an arrogance to these self proclaimed outsiders who run for office acting like it’ll be easy, just vote for me, I’m not a career politician! For all the talk of the Founders alleged disdain for lifers in elected politics, pretty much all them were.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 1:57:42pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

TBH aside from what he’s done as President, what annoys me the most about Trump is he’s taken away that we seriously consider someone’s creds to be President. I dunno. Always feel there’s an arrogance to these self proclaimed outsiders who run for office acting like it’ll be easy, just vote for me, I’m not a career politician! For all the talk of the Founders alleged disdain for lifers in elected politics, pretty much all them were.

Everybody hates career politicians of the opposite party. This is the fuel that feeds “Term Limits” enthusiasts.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:00:01pm

I retract every positive thing I ever said about Michael Avenatti here at LGF.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:00:08pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

Everybody hates career politicians of the opposite party. This is the fuel that feeds “Term Limits” enthusiasts.

Right. And honestly I get it but there’s this Arrogance I despise in political newbies who think everything can be solved with buzzphrases like “run government like a business”, “common sense leadership”, or “government as the founders intended it.”

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:00:19pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

There’s unfortunately a deeply undemocratic side to the self fancied progressives who insist that “the people “ didn’t want Pelosi or Clinton or now Jeffries but ignore that all three got more people supporting them than not. It amuses me so much as a former far lefty to see people using hypothetical polls as way someone should be nominated.

There’s an element on the left that is the mirrored version of the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus. They were PUMAs in 2008, BernieBros in 2016, or more generally the old fall back of moonbats. They’re partly antiestablishmentarian, partly just assholes who want to ruin everything for everyone if they don’t get exactly their way.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:02:15pm

Jesus fucking Christ.

President Donald Trump went on a retweeting spree Wednesday, sharing posts to his Twitter account that targeted his most prominent critics, including one meme that suggested former President Barack Obama and the Clintons should be thrown in jail for treason.

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TedStriker  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:03:01pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

Michael Avenatti is an arrogant, publicity hungry piece of shit who was more interested in personally running for President against Trump than serving Stormy Daniel’s best interests. He should serve as a cautionary example to every liberal who shallowly declared him a great candidate for 2020 because “he’s a street fighter.”

If true, how can this not be fraud, as far as the fundraising goes?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:05:33pm

re: #182 KGxvi

There’s an element on the left that is the mirrored version of the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus. They were PUMAs in 2008, BernieBros in 2016, or more generally the old fall back of moonbats. They’re partly antiestablishmentarian, partly just assholes who want to ruin everything for everyone if they don’t get exactly their way.

I’d add the Ron Paul fans too. I definitely saw some overlap between the Ron Paul 2008 movement and Bernie 2016. Not in ideology but approach.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:06:01pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

Jesus fucking Christ.

Can he be impeached for “conduct unbecoming”? Since we’ve had prior impeachment of judges for drunkenness.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:08:16pm

Holy fucking shit Fuckface Von Clownstick’s Twitter feed is out of its gourd.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:09:23pm

re: #187 teleskiguy

Holy fucking shit Fuckface Von Clownstick’s Twitter feed is out of its gourd.

I for the life of me don’t get how anyone looks at how he acts and thinks “Yep that’s what I want out of a president.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:09:51pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:11:31pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

Jesus fucking Christ.

Today is the day that d…

Oh never mind

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Jay C  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:11:38pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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See, the Trump Administration IS good for domestic industry!! MAGA!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:11:47pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:12:44pm

Russia blocked ports on Azov: 35 Ukrainian ships waiting for passage through the Kerch Strait

more in Olga’s thread

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:12:51pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

I tweeted about that insane RT a little while ago.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:13:43pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:17:40pm

The agreement posted online by the United States Trade Representative’s office on Oct.1 included language Canadian negotiators apparently never approved.

Officials say a “legal scrub” of the text continues.

Canada has not posted its official version of the agreement in either official language, leaving it unclear whether the USTR’s version will be the one the three countries actually sign in two days.

So far, Canada has been unsuccessful in persuading the Americans to lift U.S. tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum imports, despite the successful conclusion of negotiations to revise NAFTA earlier this fall.

Both Mexico and Canada wanted those tariffs lifted before the signing ceremony took place.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:18:38pm

heh

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:19:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:20:24pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

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heh

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:20:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:21:50pm

I AM LIVID

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:22:37pm

re: #198 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Oh grow the fuck up already NYT.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:23:21pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

TBH aside from what he’s done as President, what annoys me the most about Trump is he’s taken away that we seriously consider someone’s creds to be President. I dunno. Always feel there’s an arrogance to these self proclaimed outsiders who run for office acting like it’ll be easy, just vote for me, I’m not a career politician! For all the talk of the Founders alleged disdain for lifers in elected politics, pretty much all them were.

up until recently, our filtering process weeded them out well enough (at the presidential level)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:24:28pm

re: #203 dangerman

up until recently, our filtering process weeded them out well enough (at the presidential level)

Exactly but Trump took that genie out of the lamp I’m afraid for a long time. Elected experience should be valued not disdained.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:25:40pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

I AM LIVID

I’m going to ruminate for a spell.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:28:35pm

re: #205 Barefoot Grin

I’m going to ruminate for a spell.

steer we go again

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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:31:12pm

At 6’ 4”, this cow dribbles a lot, but has no three point shot.

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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:35:51pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:42:02pm
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TedStriker  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:43:33pm

re: #207 jaunte

At 6’ 4”, this cow dribbles a lot, but has no three point shot.

Big Steers Can’t Jump

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:43:46pm

re: #208 jaunte

Nah, it’s standard procedure for clients to not appear at procedural hearings on the civil side. I suspect the same is true in big criminal matters. Most likely, Manafort would have just sat at the Defense table and not said anything, anyway.

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TedStriker  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:45:23pm

re: #206 dangerman

steer we go again

Knicker’s story was still mooving, though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:46:06pm
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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:51:11pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

How many square perches in an oxgang?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:53:28pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

What’s missing from this is the TINY cows in plain sight!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:56:03pm

re: #215 GlutenFreeJesus

What’s missing from this is the TINY cows in plain sight!

Cattlettes, you might say.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:58:06pm

I think the WaashPost has done us all a disservice, because ‘big cow is a lie’ implies it’s shopped, not just that an abnormally large steer is somewhat deceptively photographed with smaller cattle.

Bad form!

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 2:59:14pm

re: #187 teleskiguy

Holy fucking shit Fuckface Von Clownstick’s Twitter feed is out of its gourd.

Which is reflective of his actual mental state.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:08:31pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

203 votes yes, 32 voted no, 3 were blank

13.4% of Dems are puregressives and 1.3% are too stupid to vote. Sounds about right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:11:15pm

re: #219 Dr. Matt

13.4% of Dems are puregressives and 1.3% are too stupid to vote. Sounds about right.

Actually some of them think Pelosi is too liberal.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:12:00pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:14:01pm

Noice!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:14:40pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Actually some of them think Pelosi is too liberal.

Ah, yeah…..forgot about the red state Dems.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:17:54pm

There is always one
(well, really thousands)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:21:32pm

re: #224 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There is always one
(well, really thousands)

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A great ticket. If you’re voting Green over that ticket, you really forfeit your right to call yourself a progressive

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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:22:05pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:23:15pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

A great ticket. If you’re voting Green over that ticket, you really forfeit your right to call yourself a progressive

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fern01  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:23:25pm

re: #38 Big Beautiful Door

The d!psh!t really believes that people he appoints to government positions work for him, and him alone. 70+ years old and still thinks the President is the Supreme Ruler.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:25:21pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Since when is Beto center right? FFS these people but yeah keep on insisting an 77 year old is the only true progressive even though he got Steve King’s Praise on immigration

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:25:47pm

re: #221 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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and one says Yanny and the other says Laurel

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gwangung  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:26:27pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yet, he thinks voting from the top down is going to work. That’s exactly the opposite of how it should be done.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:27:43pm

re: #231 gwangung

Yet, he thinks voting from the top down is going to work. That’s exactly the opposite of how it should be done.

They have no idea how to actually build a movement at all and then they wonder why their ideas aren’t listened to. Maybe if they had some pragmatism but no that’s a bad word.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:28:35pm

Defeated Rep. Bruce Poliquin Calls for Lengthy Ranked Choice Recount

I was listening to an interview today on Sirius about Maine’s ranked choice vote. Other countries have used it for national elections for decades. Very interesting approach; it ensures that candidate gets a majority of the votes for a win not just a plurality.

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William Lewis  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:28:40pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And how does this fit into the measure of a hide?

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Mike Lamb  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:28:55pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Think he sees the irony in his second to last sentence?

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:28:59pm

re: #160 KGxvi

If Jesse Ventura runs as the Green Party nominee in 2020, there is not enough booze/weed/meth/cocaine in the world to get us past election day.

Wasn’t there a fairly popular movie featuring a professional wrestler as president?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:31:03pm

re: #234 William Lewis

And how does this fit into the measure of a hide?

one must seek that answer…

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Amory Blaine  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:31:23pm

Trump is our first 4chan President.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:31:57pm

re: #239 Amory Blaine

Trump is our first 4chan President.

First Stormfront one too.

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fern01  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:32:04pm

re: #59 Scottish Dragon

Hard to imagine Labor Secry Acosta can keep his job after this devastating piece

He’s a republican - of course he will keep his job. Another hearing like the one for Kavanaugh - women don’t count in GOP world.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:32:30pm

My wife was watching Ari on MSNBC. Corsi is on. Fuck that guy. No thanks.

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:33:55pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

A great ticket. If you’re voting Green over that ticket, you really forfeit your right to call yourself a progressive

Is he a progressive, politically naive or a contrarian?

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BigPapa  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:34:39pm

Corsi had been a wingnut rat fucker almost as long as Stone. The whole lot of them are cancerous goons.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:35:40pm

re: #243 ObserverArt

Is he a progressive, politically naive or a contrarian?

Looks to me like some combo of all three. This is exactly why I resent Bernie for presenting himself as the only true progressive and making people like Beto and Kamala out to be “sellouts.”

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:37:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:37:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:40:39pm
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BigPapa  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:41:32pm

re: #246 Patricia Kayden

Stacey Abrams looks like she might be leader. I notice that the lawsuit isn’t about her and her grievance, valid as it is. It’s about the voters of Georgia and it’s screwed up system screwing them.

Give em hell Stacey. I doubt we’ve seen the last of her.

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fern01  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:41:33pm

re: #83 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

President Obama rebuilt the car industry - so trump could send it bankrupt. He has to do the opposite of everything Obama did.

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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:44:13pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m voting to break the two party system which is why we have trump. Dems & GOP suck

Narcissistic as Trump.

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:45:58pm

re: #242 Barefoot Grin

My wife was watching Ari on MSNBC. Corsi is on. Fuck that guy. No thanks.

I am catching part of it. Corsi is just like his books and theories. A very little bit of truth packed with theories and outright fabrications made to sound like he knows something no one else does.

In other words, the shit just flows out of this guy.

If Ari did anything he proved Corsi is a complete bullshitter on a national network. For those people that don’t know him and catch it, it might be valuable info to not ever take this lump of crap seriously.

But you have to admit it is bold to say “he figured out what Assange would do IF he had those Podesta emails” due to his sharp mind and experience as a bullshitter. So he was just telling a “story” to Stone and wasn’t lying as he didn’t REALLY know.

That is a hell of a twist.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:46:23pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

And they say the same about people who live in any red state (minus the charges of being racists). We get the same here in Nebraska (why don’t you just move).

There seems to be an awful lot of people who don’t live in red states willing to sacrifice liberals who do.

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can't think of a decent username  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:46:56pm

I got here too late to weigh in on the “Who should play Mueller in the movie?” debate, but could I just suggest that if you’re looking for someone tall and intimidating and stern, I would legit be delighted if he were played by Tiny Lister Jr.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:47:09pm

re: #251 jaunte

Narcissistic as Trump.

What ticks me about the Greens especially is they seldom ever run locally. It’s always the high profile races they love pissing in not to mention Stein is a fraud & not qualified.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:47:24pm

re: #251 jaunte

Narcissistic as Trump.

Yeah, good luck with that “breaking the two party system” thing. Have fun storming the castle.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:48:18pm

re: #249 BigPapa

Stacey Abrams looks like she might be leader. I notice that the lawsuit isn’t about her and her grievance, valid as it is. It’s about the voters of Georgia and it’s screwed up system screwing them.

Give em hell Stacey. I doubt we’ve seen the last of her.

If she never wins office, but cleans up GA’s voter suppression cesspool, she has fired her shots in the Thousand Year War.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:48:44pm

re: #236 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

Wasn’t there a fairly popular movie featuring a professional wrestler as president?

If you’re talking about Idiocracy, I’m not sure I’d call it a “fairly popular movie”, more of a cult classic. Terry Crews played President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, who if I recall right, fired off an AR-15/M-16 during the State of the Union.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:49:47pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Yeah, good luck with that “breaking the two party system” thing. Have fun storming the castle.

Monty Python - Holy Grail French Taunting

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can't think of a decent username  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:50:42pm

re: #258 KGxvi

If you’re talking about Idiocracy, I’m not sure I’d call it a “fairly popular movie”, more of a cult classic. Terry Crews played President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, who if I recall right, fired off an AR-15/M-16 during the State of the Union.

Y’all are gonna think all I talk about is Tiny Lister now, but he’s a retired wrestler, and he played President Lindberg in “The Fifth Element.”

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:51:16pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:52:36pm

re: #261 KGxvi

Is that Carol Kane?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:53:26pm

re: #261 KGxvi

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Seems a bit more on point.

but mine even had a cow

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:53:35pm

re: #262 Decatur Deb

Is that Carol Kane?

yes

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:53:52pm

re: #260 can’t think of a decent username

Y’all are gonna think all I talk about is Tiny Lister now, but he’s a retired wrestler, and he played President Lindberg in “The Fifth Element.”

He was only a wrestler because he played one in the (very) terrible (even by 1980s professional wrestling standards) movie No Holds Barred, and Vince McMahon decided to have his character from that movie wrestle Hulk Hogan “in real life”.

Though I have to admit, I didn’t ever really put 2 and 2 together on those roles until now.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:55:09pm

re: #262 Decatur Deb

Is that Carol Kane?

Yes, with Billy Crystal. The Princess Bride is such a great flick.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:58:23pm

Goddamnit. These fucking assholes.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 28, 2018 • 3:58:45pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #266 KGxvi

God, I remember her as a child bride in Hester Street.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:00:38pm

Cheer Up Liberals, We Did a Lot Better in Mississippi Than You Think (Wonkette, the end of the article):

Perspective is key here. Too many liberals from other mothers attempt to write off the South. After Espy’s loss, there was a lot of the tired takes that “blue states should stop supporting racist red states.” This really offends me as a native Southerner, especially since states like Oregon or even Maine are just a Portland away from being another Mississippi. The Washington Post suggested that Hyde-Smith’s win proved “how solidly conservative the state is.” “Conservative” is yet another euphemism. They mean “white.” Across the Bible Belt, there’s a clear racial schism in how folks vote. Is it really as reductive as “liberal” vs. “conservative”? It’s not as if every black Southerner who reliably votes Democrat spends their weekends dancing in Pride parades or sipping Chardonnay at the opera.

People like Stacey Abrams and Mike Espy will be major figures in history, while Cindy Hyde-Smith will just be a footnote. This is a battle we’re winning. It’s slow-going and sometimes torturous, yes, but we’re making progress. We’re breaking through the seemingly impenetrable wall of voter suppression and assorted vestiges of Jim Crow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:01:33pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:02:46pm

Both of these were retweeted by Trump. (It’s a joke, Donnie) We are being governed by fuckweasles

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:03:18pm

I’m disappointed yet encouraged by the results. We started here in VA by electing two consecutive Dem governors, then unseated a Republican senator with presidential aspirations, and then Obama won here. We’ve only elected one gop governor since 2001 and I don’t see that pattern changing. Eventually bright red states will elect Dems.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:05:13pm

re: #271 gocart mozart

Both of these were retweeted by Trump. (It’s a joke, Donnie) We are being governed by fuckweasles

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Joking about people you know? Funny how you guys become very PC when you want to. She obviously was joking but I get it she’s worse than the lady who is cool with public hanging and the CSA because she’s more successful than you ever will be.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:07:00pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

God, I remember her as a child bride in Hester Street.

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If it makes you feel better, there was just a 12 year gap between those movies. Lot of make up in the Princess Bride, obviously.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:10:44pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Confirmed bachelor” Lindsey Graham should probably know better than to get too comfortable with the alt-right. They know the rumors, and at some point, that crocodile is going to turn on him

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:11:17pm

re: #233 Dr. Matt

Defeated Rep. Bruce Poliquin Calls for Lengthy Ranked Choice Recount

I was listening to an interview today on Sirius about Maine’s ranked choice vote. Other countries have used it for national elections for decades. Very interesting approach; it ensures that candidate gets a majority of the votes for a win not just a plurality.

They apparently don’t want more LePages.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:11:32pm

re: #224 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There is always one
(well, really thousands)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:12:41pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:12:47pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:14:09pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

He sounds like the kid from my 8th grade class who didn’t do the homework assignment and then tried to bullshit his way through the presentation.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:14:10pm

re: #271 gocart mozart

Ok, I know it’s Charlie Kirk and so I should immediately dismiss it, but did Hillary Clinton actually make that (terriblebadtasteverynogoodterrible) joke?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:14:34pm

Pence doesn’t want to spend all his time waiting to cast Senate tie-breaker votes

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:14:55pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hi Donald, geography here, it’s a sea and closer to Florida than Alaska and Hawaii are to California. Stop being a lying asshole to try to get out of helping PR because you’re an asshole.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:15:21pm

re: #271 gocart mozart

Both of these were retweeted by Trump. (It’s a joke, Donnie) We are being governed by fuckweasles

And a lot of people in that thread are making fun of Charlie Kirk for not understanding a joke.

He understood it; he lied about it. The correct word is “lied” not “understood.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:15:26pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:16:08pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:16:33pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know he did that explicitly for his base, right? Like the total douchecanoe he is.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:21:56pm

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hypothetically, let’s say he got very sick. What are the odds they try a Wilson-esque cover up? And given how incompetent they are, what’s the over/under on it failing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:22:53pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:23:39pm

Wouldn’t you just love to hear Trump explain the Christian Christmas Story?

I would. I bet it would be something.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:26:40pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

Wouldn’t you just love to hear Trump explain the Christian Christmas Story?

I would. I bet it would be something.

Herod was a deal maker….

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:27:16pm

re: #282 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Pence doesn’t want to spend all his time waiting to cast Senate tie-breaker votes

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Subtitled: it’s easy finding a spine when you’re out

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:27:33pm

re: #291 Barefoot Grin

Herod was a deal maker….

And then there’s these three wise guys…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:27:33pm

re: #291 Barefoot Grin

Herod was a deal maker….

there were three wise guys

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:27:41pm

re: #288 KGxvi

Hypothetically, let’s say he got very sick. What are the odds they try a Wilson-esque cover up? And given how incompetent they are, what’s the over/under on it failing?

I think he was just miserably cold.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:28:06pm

re: #293 KGxvi

photo fucking finish…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:28:49pm

re: #295 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I think he was just miserably cold.

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hard to believe with the entire WH staff blowing hot air up his ass

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:29:12pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

Wouldn’t you just love to hear Trump explain the Christian Christmas Story?

I would. I bet it would be something.

“So there was this guy Jesus. Very smart. Not as smart as me but very smart. And he was born in a Manger which is a shame because I understand Bethlehem had some very nice hotels, some really wonderful properties but they wouldn’t let Mary and Joseph in. Wouldn’t let ‘em in, which, I mean there are reasons for that but they ended up in basically a barn. Then these three wise men, again, not as smart as me but they were close, came from somewhere in the Middle East or maybe Africa or China, who knows? Anyway, they came to see this baby and…”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:30:15pm

re: #271 gocart mozart

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:30:24pm

re: #295 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I think he was just miserably cold.

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Oh, I’m sure. But let’s not kid ourselves, he’s a 72 year old man who isn’t even in good shape for his age. A hypothermia warning and sudden disappearance and hard lid once back to the White House should at least raise some questions.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:31:16pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

photo fucking finish…

Well, to be honest, the Passion story would be better. “So they use this thing called a ‘cross’—very few people know this….”

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:31:18pm

re: #293 KGxvi

And then there’s these three wise guys…

I sent them to Bethlehem to check it out as I need to know what the hell is goin’ on.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:32:47pm

re: #302 ObserverArt

I sent them to Bethlehem to check it out as I need to know what the hell is goin’ on.

And Mary had sex with God, though a lot of people are saying that my wives and mistresses did too and that I was better….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:33:18pm

I think it boils down to simply this White House lacks the coordination to drive a bunch of people down the block in an orderly fashion

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:34:10pm

Now all I can think of is this clip:

nbc.com

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lawhawk  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:36:33pm

re: #304 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That and Trump is reminding the press just what Trump thinks of the media that covers him and tries to do their job and report his bulkshit on a daily basis.

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TedStriker  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:37:43pm

re: #261 KGxvi

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Seems a bit more on point.

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes

re: #266 KGxvi

Yes, with Billy Crystal. The Princess Bride is such a great flick.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:37:56pm

re: #304 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I think it boils down to simply this White House lacks the coordination to drive a bunch of people down the block in an orderly fashion

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The press never whines louder than when they are the ones being slighted.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:38:12pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:39:11pm

re: #281 KGxvi

Interviewer confused Cory Booker for Eric Holder, she corrected her by saying “That was Eric Holder (pause) I know … they all look alike” audience laughs.

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TedStriker  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:41:36pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

God, I remember her as a child bride in Hester Street.

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And that was only a few years before her stint on Taxi

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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:44:02pm
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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:46:38pm

re: #310 gocart mozart

Interviewer confused Cory Booker for Eric Holder, she corrected her by saying “That was Eric Holder (pause) I know … they all look alike” audience laughs.

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Is there more context? Because I really don’t find that funny with the limited context.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:46:43pm
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can't think of a decent username  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:49:21pm

re: #307 TedStriker

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Y’all should go read Cary Elwes’ “As You Wish” book, which is a great memoir of the making of that movie.

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TedStriker  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:49:37pm

re: #311 TedStriker

And that was only a few years before her stint on Taxi

However, this is my favorite role of Kane’s, besides The Princess Bride:

Scrooged (8/10) Movie CLIP - The Truth is Painful (1988) HD

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:50:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:50:33pm

This is what I was replying to.

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KGxvi  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:51:14pm

re: #316 TedStriker

However, this is my favorite role of hers, besides The Princess Bride:

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Scrooged is one of my favorite Christmas movies, loved it when I saw it as a 10 year old with the family. Loved it every time I’ve seen it since. And was just reminded that I need to see it again by The Ringer.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:52:15pm
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piratedan  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:53:10pm

re: #313 KGxvi

the context is that Hillary KNEW it was Eric Holder and they misidentified him anyway and because “THEY” misidentified him, she tossed out that the “they all look alike” comment as if that would be the expected response from people that can’t bother to even pay attention to anything remotely like a detail, when her statement prior indicated the fallacy of the statement itself…

so instead of the dark humor that Hillary was sharing with POC and the idea that all black men look alike, the GOP naturally states that THIS is exactly what Ms. Clinton stated and implied… which takes it completely out of the context and tone from which the statement was made.

bless their hearts…

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 28, 2018 • 4:59:22pm

re: #321 piratedan

They don’t have any hearts.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:03:12pm

re: #313 KGxvi

Is there more context? Because I really don’t find that funny with the limited context.

What’s going to get her in trouble now is that she was taking a jab at the interviewer and people are going to interpret as if she believes it. We’ve made similar comments here when cops have tried to say “I thought it was so-and-so” even though the person they tackled looked nothing like the person they were after other than being black.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:04:15pm

re: #314 Patricia Kayden

One comment in the article is “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a pink slip.”

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:07:20pm

In case there are members that do not get MSNBC, here is the rather long interview Ari Melber did tonight with Mueller target and supreme conspiracy wacko Jerome Corsi.

Corsi is on the hot seat and he is dancing here…

Iframe

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:11:26pm
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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:16:11pm

Wishful thinking, but I like it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:16:46pm

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fern01  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:17:45pm

re: #233 Dr. Matt

Defeated Rep. Bruce Poliquin Calls for Lengthy Ranked Choice Recount

I was listening to an interview today on Sirius about Maine’s ranked choice vote. Other countries have used it for national elections for decades. Very interesting approach; it ensures that candidate gets a majority of the votes for a win not just a plurality.

Down under we call if “preferential voting”. You have to vote with numbers 1,2,3 etc to specify your preference for each candidate. Been like that ever since I started voting - 1960s. We vote on paper & the counting really doesn’t take very long.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:18:45pm
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calochortus  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:20:02pm

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:20:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:21:39pm
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fern01  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:22:03pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

On behalf of @FLOTUS Melania

The way he always says this - I’m thinking he knows there is another FLOTUS around that the world wants to come back into the white house ….

or maybe he just needs to remind himself the name of his current wife.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:23:03pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

You thought SMOTI was a raving lunatic, Corsi is somewhere between him and Alex Freaking Jones.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:25:29pm
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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:27:36pm

BTW, I find word preferences interesting. Just thought I’d mention that.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:28:15pm
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bd(Redacted)  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:28:29pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

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I had forgotten about Corsi since he literally swiftboated John Kerry.

Glad to see that he will be getting his comeuppance. John Kerry is smiling somewhere.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:28:32pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Since when is Beto center right? FFS these people but yeah keep on insisting an 77 year old is the only true progressive even though he got Steve King’s Praise on immigration

A FB friend and IRL acquaintance who is a Bernie fanatic linked to a “sad” story about how Assange was suffering in the Ecuador embassy. These people will never vote for a sane Democrat. I was tempted to respond “I really don’t care, do u?” on FB but decided it wasn’t worth completely severing my limited relationship with her.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:28:40pm

re: #311 TedStriker

And that was only a few years before her stint on Taxi

First time I saw her was in The Last Detail—what was that, 1972? 73?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:29:57pm

Circling the drain

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calochortus  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:30:09pm

re: #338 MsJ

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Aside from any state charges he might be facing, why would Manafort trust Trump? I wouldn’t. But I’m also smart enough not to have committed all those fun crimes, so there’s that.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:33:37pm

re: #343 calochortus

Aside from any state charges he might be facing, why would Manafort trust Trump? I wouldn’t. But I’m also smart enough not to have committed all those fun crimes, so there’s that.

He’s already lost his family, all his assets, and is indebted to God only knows who.

A pardon should put him on skid row.

PLUS, There’s no Taking the Fifth and having to admit to your crimes. A pardon would not benefit trump. Which is why he’ll likely do it.

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:34:10pm

re: #343 calochortus

Aside from any state charges he might be facing, why would Manafort trust Trump? I wouldn’t. But I’m also smart enough not to have committed all those fun crimes, so there’s that.

Maybe Manafort doesn’t trust Trump.

He might trust Putin though. Maybe Putin handles Trump.

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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:34:46pm
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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:37:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:37:32pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:38:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:41:26pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:43:24pm

re: #350 Charles Johnson

He’s about to be No Home Jerome.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:44:39pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:44:56pm

re: #344 MsJ

He’s already lost his family, all his assets, and is indebted to God only knows who.

A pardon should put him on skid row.

PLUS, There’s no Taking the Fifth and having to admit to your crimes. A pardon would not benefit trump. Which is why he’ll likely do it.

?What’s to prevent Manafort from continuing to lie?? After all, Trump could just pardon him again and again. Unless, of course, there is a realistic possibility of impeachment.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:44:59pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:46:15pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

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I think you can see a young Jerome Corsi on Dick Cavett in Portrait of a Wingnut as a Young Man.

ETA: I think I’m confusing him with another person who appeared on Cavett criticizing John Kerry. Sorry for the confusion.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:46:37pm

re: #352 Ace Rothstein

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Says the guy who wanted emails investigated non stop. What’s the matter Tucker, afraid of knowing you enabled a traitorous pig?

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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:51:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:56:30pm

the campaign in Kentucky begins:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:56:38pm

re: #357 gocart mozart

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Bernie woulda won./:

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retired cynic  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:56:40pm

re: #339 bd(soros funded)

I had forgotten about Corsi since he literally swiftboated John Kerry.

Glad to see that he will be getting his comeuppance. John Kerry is smiling somewhere.

Not enough of one to suit me, John Kerry, or the country! He would have to live a LOT longer in jail to begin to touch it.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:57:04pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:58:03pm

re: #361 Single-handed sailor

I’m sick of her shit. Retire already.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 5:59:00pm

re: #361 Single-handed sailor

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She’s all talk. When has her vote ever actually stopped rw bs?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:05:46pm
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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:08:36pm

Piggy Smalls. 😂🤣

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BigPapa  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:09:58pm

I’m sure Mueller is quaking in his Brooks Brothers loafers

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:11:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:11:59pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:12:39pm

Now ain’t this some Trumpish shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:15:50pm

Yay us…

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:17:57pm
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Jay C  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:19:18pm

re: #366 BigPapa

I’m sure Mueller is quaking in his Brooks Brothers loafers

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I mean, seriously- Corsi thinks (or wants to make everyone think he thinks) that Acting AG Whitaker is really going to front- run a case on his behalf - against Robert Mueller for “ malicious prosecution”??.

Even after a lengthy LOL break, it sounds like insanity ( or a cheap “Washington Intrigue” TV movie storyboard). The only problem is, in the Trump Era, I’m not so sure he’s all that delusional…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:23:01pm

Trump and his band of merry morons really believe they can beat Mueller.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:23:59pm

re: #371 MsJ

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Seems like a good candidate for the 48 hour rule.

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ObserverArt  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:24:30pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yay us…

NWS Wilmington OH ✔
@NWSILN
Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton have all broken into the top 10 wettest autumns (September through November) in their recorded history. Precipitation at the sites is ranging from 14.86” in Columbus to 13.94” in Dayton.

9:02 PM - Nov 28, 2018

It sure did feel like it rained all the damn time. I hope this doesn’t mean we see those kinds of snows…yikes! Please dry out ol’ man winter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:26:50pm

re: #375 ObserverArt

It sure did feel like it rained all the damn time. I hope this doesn’t mean we see those kinds of snows…yikes! Please dry out ol’ man winter.

my local forecast is calling for rain/snow every single day except Sunday for the next seven days.

blech

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Danack  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:26:52pm

re: #372 Jay C

that Acting AG Whitaker is really going to front- run a case on his behalf

I strongly suspect that Mr Whitaker has realised that he has gotten himself into a bit a of a pickle, and that he needs to keep out of the way of the FBI unless he wants to find himself getting caught up in the prosecutions.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:29:10pm

re: #375 ObserverArt

It sure did feel like it rained all the damn time. I hope this doesn’t mean we see those kinds of snows…yikes! Please dry out ol’ man winter.

DFW broke it’s autumn - Sep.1 - Nov. 30 - record by mid October this year. It was seriously nuts, and the rain finally stopped being a regular part of the weather forecast after the election.

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William Lewis  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:29:34pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

one must seek that answer…

Now that I am home:

8.1 oxgang = 1 hide = about 120 acres or 1 family/year of land or 1 pound sterling in production. Humorously, to me anyway, the hide as a unit of measure stopped being used by the 13th century under the Norman kings. The Oxgang didn’t get used until the 16th - I’ll have to find out what was used for the intermediate centuries.

I won’t bore you with the fiscal responsibilities of the landowner, knights fee & the use of the mark in accounting :)

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:30:16pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

my local forecast is calling for rain/snow every single day except Sunday for the next seven days.

blech

Do Not Offend the Rain Gods.

A Californian

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:32:58pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

my local forecast is calling for rain/snow every single day except Sunday for the next seven days.

blech

Had some snow today. It was perfectly timed to hit the evening commute. Made an otherwise ordinary 35-minute drive into an excruciating hour-long affair.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:33:28pm

re: #380 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Do Not Offend the Rain Gods.

A Californian

Because nature decided to dump it all on North (East) Texas, our ground has been really soft this fall. The weekend before Thanksgiving, I helped my sister-and-law and her husband (my brother) replace the fence. We managed to wiggle 4 of the old posts out of the ground, two of them with the concrete attached, before my dad and brother got the truck set up to pull the remaining posts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:34:53pm

re: #381 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Had some snow today. It was perfectly timed to hit the evening commute. Made an otherwise ordinary 35-minute drive into an excruciating hour-long affair.

we had rain and snow yesterday, then snow this morning.
Freezing rain starts tomorrow morning, shifting to snow then rain.
Highlight of the week is a promised high temp of 60F on Saturday, but that goes along with 100% chance of rain.

blech

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:35:22pm

re: #383 Backwoods_Sleuth

we had rain and snow yesterday, then snow this morning.
Freezing rain starts tomorrow morning, shifting to snow then rain.
Highlight of the week is a promised high temp of 60F on Saturday, but that goes along with 100% chance of rain.

blech

Blech indeed, my friend.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:36:29pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

What ticks me about the Greens especially is they seldom ever run locally. It’s always the high profile races they love pissing in not to mention Stein is a fraud & not qualified.

if you want to effect change you go where the real power is
on school boards
as precinct captains in the party

alas these are not sexy, attention attracting positions

for your quick 15 minutes you have to run for pres

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:37:15pm

re: #374 Belafon

Seems like a good candidate for the 48 hour rule.

I’d normally agree but I trust Natasha Bertrand.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:41:13pm

re: #257 Decatur Deb

If she never wins office, but cleans up GA’s voter suppression cesspool, she has fired her shots in the Thousand Year War.

i read the lawsuit
as a layman, it was pretty powerful

paragraph 43:

In 2014, when he was running for reelection, then-Secretary Kemp purged over 250,000 people under the “use it or lose it” policy. In 2017, when he was running for governor in the upcoming 2018 Election, then-Secretary Kemp purged over 665,000 people under the “use it or lose it” policy. In a single night in July 2017, he struck over 500,000 people from the voter rolls— approximately eight percent of Georgia’s registered voters.

By contrast, in years when he was not running for office (2013, 2015, and 2016), then-Secretary Kemp removed fewer than 100 people cumulatively under the “use it or lose it” policy.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:43:43pm
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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:43:55pm

re: #373 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump and his band of merry morons really believe they can beat Mueller.

Imagine how tiny your brain has to be to go through life as a ratfucker.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:46:18pm

re: #381 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Had some snow today. It was perfectly timed to hit the evening commute. Made an otherwise ordinary 35-minute drive into an excruciating hour-long affair.

Let me emphasize first off that it rains every second of every day here in the Seattle area. Tell all your friends! But…if by some fluke it doesn’t rain for a day or two, the first time a drop of water hits people’s windshields, they go “What the Hell is that?” and slam on their brakes. Makes driving fun….

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mmmirele  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:47:58pm

re: #379 William Lewis

Now that I am home:

8.1 oxgang = 1 hide = about 120 acres or 1 family/year of land or 1 pound sterling in production. Humorously, to me anyway, the hide as a unit of measure stopped being used by the 13th century under the Norman kings. The Oxgang didn’t get used until the 16th - I’ll have to find out what was used for the intermediate centuries.

I won’t bore you with the fiscal responsibilities of the landowner, knights fee & the use of the mark in accounting :)

Reminds me of American property law and the “math” where every ownership interest in the property had to add up to “fee simple.” So all the leases and life estates and mineral rights and everything else had to be delineated. This got especially complicated in Texas when it came to mineral rights for descendants. It could be a real headache in (for example) selling mineral rights if you couldn’t track down all the descendants when old Great-Granddad died intestate with eight kids, 29 grandkids and scads of great-grandkids. And it’s all based on common law from the English medieval period.

Ironically, the UK modernized its property laws beginning in 1922 (called “Georgian land reform”). So their laws don’t have all the crazy of American property law.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:48:04pm
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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:48:33pm

re: #288 KGxvi

Hypothetically, let’s say he got very sick. What are the odds they try a Wilson-esque cover up? And given how incompetent they are, what’s the over/under on it failing?

well if he started acting smarter and more cogent, it would be a giveaway

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:49:36pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the nobel doesnt just come with the job ya dumbass

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:49:52pm

re: #388 MsJ

Try to watch this responsible gun owner demonstrate his skills without laughing…

Sorry. Failed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:50:26pm

re: #392 MsJ

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Protecting his own ass and he’s an a big enough asshole to say they would want that.

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MsJ  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:51:07pm

re: #395 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sorry. Failed.

I know. I watched it on repeat for a bit.

I needed a laugh.

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gocart mozart  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:53:05pm
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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:53:08pm

As Maddow just said, Trump is piling up a mountain of impeachable offenses, stone by stone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:55:56pm

oh

CINCINNATI — The group behind an ongoing lawsuit against five City Council Democrats tweeted that one of them was “being hunted” by armed deputies Wednesday night and called another a “douche” for objecting to their phrasing.

By 9 p.m., the official Twitter timeline of COAST — Coalition Against Additional Spending and Taxes — was a hashtag-laden collage of retweets, GIFs and statements doubling down on the attacks.

It wasn’t quite as intense as the time COAST compared fire department budget cuts to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the attacks’ 10th anniversary, but it was vociferous and sparked an immediate reaction.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:56:31pm

re: #323 Belafon

What’s going to get her in trouble now is that she was taking a jab at the interviewer and people are going to interpret as if she believes it. We’ve made similar comments here when cops have tried to say “I thought it was so-and-so” even though the person they tackled looked nothing like the person they were after other than being black.

we’ve gotten to the point where hillary can neither say nor not say anything

everything gets twisted and turned and torn up into something completely different than what she said or obviously meant

or she is called out for not responding to whatever the outrage of the day is, and why the hell didnt she

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:56:33pm

re: #398 gocart mozart

A sane center right party should replace it.

I would agree with you, except that we have a sane center-right party. It’s called the Democratic Party. We don’t need another one. A viable center-left party would be welcome….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:57:23pm

re: #399 jaunte

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As Maddow just said, Trump is piling up a mountain of impeachable offenses, stone by stone.

Lock his crooked ass up.

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William Lewis  Nov 28, 2018 • 6:58:37pm

re: #388 MsJ

Eh, can’t laugh. Too much pain and possibility of death there.

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stpaulbear  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:01:08pm

re: #381 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Had some snow today. It was perfectly timed to hit the evening commute. Made an otherwise ordinary 35-minute drive into an excruciating hour-long affair.

Yep. I got caught in the 5:00 slowdown and kept bailing onto side routes to get around gridlock in the Merriam Park neighborhood. I slid around a bit coming down a hill near my neighborhood but luckily got it together before something bad happened. There was a squad car further down the hill. Someone had lost it, jumped the curb and got their car pinned between a bus stop bench and a retaining wall. Lots of damage to both sides of the car.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:02:09pm

re: #371 MsJ

OMG, I think they could use different phrasing instead of “An explosive letter has been sent to Schiff’s office”. WTF is with that?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:02:13pm
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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:02:23pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

Bernie woulda won./:

then he shoulda /

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:04:15pm

re: #364 Charles Johnson

And if you don’t understand the term “ratfucking,” it’s slang for political sabotage or dirty tricks.

Pretty much all GOP politics right now is ratfucking.

McSally actually stated in her ‘why i lost’ memo today that the dems ‘interfered’ in the R primary by running ads on TV

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:04:17pm

Tree skiing in Sweden.

GoPro Snow: Jesper Tjäder’s Forest

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HappyWarrior  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:09:57pm

re: #409 dangerman

McSally actually stated in her ‘why i lost memo’ today that the dems ‘interfered’ in the R primary by running ads on TV

Pretty lame excuse. She lost because she’s out of touch.

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dangerman  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:10:11pm

re: #388 MsJ

Try to watch this responsible gun owner demonstrate his skills without laughing…

i think there only needs to be one simple rule you accept to own a gun:
- control your weapon at all times
- lose your freedom, finances and future if you dont

so i watched
i laughed

and as he has unquestionably documented that he cannot control his weapon at all times, he should lose his 2A rights forever.

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Interesting Times  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:10:14pm

re: #406 Amory Blaine

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OMG, I think they could use different phrasing instead of “An explosive letter has been sent to Schiff’s office”. WTF is with that?

Plus, all that talk Charles did of “ratfucking” earlier makes me suspect, until evidence proves otherwise, that this letter might be just that :/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:11:21pm
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retired cynic  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:12:52pm

re: #410 teleskiguy

Tree skiing in Sweden.

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Video

Somebody hasn’t been raking their forests!!

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:22:54pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:22:56pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:23:59pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:25:14pm
420
DodgerFan1988  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:28:08pm

Scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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Interesting Times  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:31:36pm

Well played:

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:32:27pm

re: #409 dangerman

McSally actually stated in her ‘why i lost’ memo today that the dems ‘interfered’ in the R primary by running ads on TV

Diabolical! Don’t they know only Republicans are allowed to run ads on tv?

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:33:42pm

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:39:25pm

One of my Senators is on this odious list.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:40:39pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There are a whole lot of things that Trump will never get. re: #420 DodgerFan1988

Joe Rogan? He’s alt-right curious. He recently defended Gavin McGinnes.

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TedStriker  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:40:52pm

re: #420 DodgerFan1988

Scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The best part of them ended up on their future parents’ bedsheets.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:41:40pm

re: #114 Kragar

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Somebody get me some Kryptonite!

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coin operated  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:50:01pm

re: #410 teleskiguy

I’ve been skiing since I could walk…that was fucking insane!!!

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:50:59pm

re: #428 coin operated

I’ve been skiing since I could walk…that was fucking insane!!!

INORITE?!?!?

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jaunte  Nov 28, 2018 • 7:51:16pm

re: #424 teleskiguy

And both of mine.

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Belafon  Nov 28, 2018 • 8:25:13pm

re: #424 teleskiguy

Both of mine are.


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