Another Gorgeous Song From Jacob Collier’s New Project: “Ocean Wide, Canyon Deep” (Feat. Laura Mvula)

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It’s not a music video, really, but just another gorgeous song from Jacob Collier’s new project, featuring the great Laura Mvula and the Netherlands’ amazing Metropole Orkest.

Ocean Wide, Canyon Deep (feat. Laura Mvula) by Jacob Collier with the Metropole Orkest conducted by Jules Buckley [OFFICIAL AUDIO]

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:31:00pm

I took a deliberate break from the bad craziness, sat back and really listened to this track, and it’s fucking amazing on so many levels.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:47:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:49:26pm
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Danack  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:49:33pm

re: #2 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Ahhh, bugger. Guess I’ll have to change my NYE plans then.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:52:30pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:57:34pm
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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:07:55pm

From the previous thread, where AOC points out her new healthcare is way cheaper:

Fair share is the wrong term to use.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:11:04pm

Whoa. I just took a look at @TomiLahren’s timeline, which I never do, and great googly moogly, there’s some serious pandering to right wing marks going on there.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:12:34pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:13:40pm

Niece piece of music. Has a lot of classic touches in it. A little Flaming Lips, some 10cc, a bit of Brian Wilson. All good.

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teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:16:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:17:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:21:21pm
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retired cynic  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:21:27pm

I like most of Collier’s music, but this is one is especially beautiful, from that throbbing bass at the beginning to the last breath.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:27:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:29:37pm
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jaunte  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:30:09pm

Were there always so many crazed paranoids in the country or are they just more visible now?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:30:21pm

I was watching Incredibles 2 with my granddaughter.

In the middle of the movie my son got a call from his wife telling him that he has to COME HOME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE 5-YEAR-OLD TWINS ARE OUT OF CONTROL. He asked if they were shape-shifting, multiplying themselves, turning into goblins, walking through walls and lighting into balls of fire.

They will stay until tomorrow night (the first night of Hanukkah) and I get to take my granddaughter for a pedicure and to Meijer to pick out a Hanukkah present for herself.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:33:37pm

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

I was watching Incredibles 2 with my granddaughter.

In the middle of the movie my son got a call from his wife telling him that he has to COME HOME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE 5-YEAR-OLD TWINS ARE OUT OF CONTROL. He asked if they were shape-shifting, multiplying themselves, turning into goblins, walking through walls and lighting into balls of fire.

They will stay until tomorrow night (the first night of Hanukkah) and I get to take my granddaughter for a pedicure and to Meijer to pick out a Hanukkah present for herself.

5? Add ten years and call back.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:36:09pm

re: #17 jaunte

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Were there always so many crazed paranoids in the country or are they just more visible now?

There are more. Natural selection of humans pretty much ended with the outlawing of lawn darts.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:36:19pm

re: #7 Belafon

And I love people getting sidetracked on what “living reasonably comfortably means.” We already have that. When you can have your taxes raised and your lifestyle doesn’t really change, or when you have your taxes lowered and your lifestyle doesn’t really change, then you are living comfortably.

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Danack  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:42:39pm

I really wish the UK Labour party weren’t so crap.

This tweet is from the shadow Home Secretary (aka the politician who is up to speed on Home Secretary type stuff, not, like a ghost that is still trying to do politics rather than move into the light).

Violent crime with people using mopeds as get away vehicles has exploded in London in the past few years and only started coming down when police used the only way to stop them.

And now she’s trying to protect the criminals who are literally trying to make a get away?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:42:42pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:44:44pm
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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:47:19pm

re: #22 Danack

I really wish the UK Labour party weren’t so crap.

This tweet is from the shadow Home Secretary (aka the politician who is up to speed on Home Secretary type stuff, not, like a ghost that is still trying to do politics rather than move into the light).

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Violent crime with people using mopeds as get away vehicles has exploded in London in the past few years and only started coming down when police used the only way to stop them.

And now she’s trying to protect the criminals who are literally trying to make a get away?

Head injuries on bikes and mopeds are much more damaging than if you’re walking or running. Do you think it would be OK if a policeman threw a baseball at a suspect who was running away?

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:47:47pm

Now that I think about it, why haven’t police advocated throwing baseballs?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:48:47pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

Dick Cheney 77 years old

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:49:34pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:53:47pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Dick Cheney 77 years old

Touché.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:55:42pm

For those of you who are interested in Machine learning, Amazon has made all of their internal training courses free: aws.amazon.com.

And it’s not all for developers. There are courses for Business Decision Makers to show has machine learning could be used in the company.

It’s in the context of Amazon Web Services (AWS), obviously, but there are companies whose entire structure is on Amazon’s platforms.

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:56:16pm

re: #9 jaunte

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in fairness…

Baby it’s cold outside

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:57:54pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:59:58pm

re: #31 sagehen

in fairness…

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Leon Redbone & Zooey Deschanel - Baby, It’s Cold Outside

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:01:14pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

I’m happy I now have something to do other than getting angry at people WHO FINISHED THEIR FOOD 10 MINUTES AGO BUT WON’T GET UP FROM THEIR TABLE!.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:03:02pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:06:15pm

OK, I thought the last one was weird….

Lady Gaga - Joseph Gordon-Levitt Baby It’s Cold Outside

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:06:52pm

re: #33 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Key and peel

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:09:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:11:56pm

Finally got around to binging “Godless” on Netflix, and I was very impressed. Dark, and doesn’t flinch away from some rather extreme violence, but a very powerful story with some unexpected twists. Highly recommended.

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Danack  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:12:31pm

re: #25 Belafon

Do you think it would be OK if a policeman threw a baseball at a suspect who was running away?

If the office was reasonably sure that a violent crime had just been committed, and that otherwise the suspect would get away, then yes.

btw it seems that most of the moped criminals use helmets as a form of armour to go with their hammers, so they are reasonably protected.

google.co.uk

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:21:23pm

Meticulously basic = simply expensive.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:34:16pm

re: #41 jaunte

Meticulously basic = simply expensive.

Just like “artisanal”. A fancy word meaning “we made it the same way as your grandma/grandpa used to, but we charge you 300% over wholesale price.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:37:49pm
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sagehen  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:37:53pm

SNL:

Trump: Michael, you were like a son to me.
Cohen: Then why did you make me do all that illegal stuff?
Trump: Because you were like a son to me.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:39:22pm

re: #9 jaunte

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Yep. They do this all the goddamn time.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:41:42pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone should have Bernie explain the wins in Oklahoma and Texas.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:43:39pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We know this Bernie. We elected a Democratic governor and rep in Kansas, Sharice Davids. Stop being a divisive dishonest shithead.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:44:12pm

re: #46 Belafon

Someone should have Bernie explain the wins in Oklahoma and Texas.

Kansas. Michigan. Wisconsin. But he’s bitter because they weren’t his picks.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:47:07pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Mia Love got her well deserved pink slip from the voters in Utah, too!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:47:40pm

We gained in a lot of places and I’m sick of him getting away with lying. He needs to be called out on it. Not to mention he’s always excusing racism.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:49:10pm

re: #49 Joe Bacon 🌹

And Mia Love got her well deserved pink slip from the voters in Utah, too!

Forgot about Utah and Colorado has an openly gay progressive Dem governor but Bernie seems bitter because he knows he’s going to be a non factor in 2020 because his new car shine is gone.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:50:38pm

Oh and now it looks like there was…

…GOP voter fraud in North Carolina…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:51:45pm

re: #52 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh and now it looks like there was…

…GOP voter fraud in North Carolina…

Goddamn Obvious Projections.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:53:08pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Forgot about Utah and Colorado has an openly gay progressive Dem governor but Bernie seems bitter because he knows he’s going to be a non factor in 2020 because his new car shine is gone.

I am so tired of the Bernie fanatics who seem to feel that the only Dems who count are progressive Dems. They would rather be in the minority getting nothing accomplished than in a broad-based majority getting most of their wishes fulfilled. It’s everything or nothing with them — they can’t have everything, so they prefer nothing.

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prairiefire  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:55:10pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

They remind me of the grunge rock purity bros of the ‘90s.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:55:38pm

Hey, my Internet service is restored after two days. Glad I live in a technologically-advanced country.

After it was restored, I saw that President GHW Bush passed away, so I went out to lower the flags in the village.

Read though the last thread of people commenting on things they didn’t like about him, such as the drug-buy set up in front of the White House, or the Willie Horton advert.

For me it was his “atheists can’t be patriotic and shouldn’t be citizens” while I was in the US Navy.

Others mentioned who they thought the best GOP president was in their lifetimes. For me that would be Eisenhower (though I was too young to remember him directly). No GOP president had gone without being involved in criminality in my lifetime, none. The whole “I didn’t leave the party, the party left me” from conservatives is a bunch of crap. It was crap when I was a teenager, it’s crap now, it will still be crap after I’m gone.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:56:57pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

I am so tired of the Bernie fanatics who seem to feel that the only Dems who count are progressive Dems. They would rather be in the minority getting nothing accomplished than in a broad-based majority getting most of their wishes fulfilled. It’s everything or nothing with them — they can’t have everything, so they prefer nothing.

Not merely that but the arrogance to think they are the only real progressives. I hear ya though. It takes a coalition to be a successful party and I eagerly welcome people like Kendra Horn aboard. Running in Oklahoma as a Dem is tough and she won.

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piratedan  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:59:14pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really suspect that Senator Sanders is either also in the pocket of some foreign entity or he spent way too much time sniffing glue and reading his own press clippings… its the same tired shit over and over again regarding the Democratic Party having to follow his game plan for success or else it’s doomed or no better than the GOP.

His actions have only a faint reflection of today’s reality and I find it hard to believe that he’s this obtuse (but then again, we DO have Congressman Moulton who is still scrambling on the lawn looking for a clue) without being directed to be so, but perhaps he’s actually this self-absorbed from huffing his own jocks.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:59:45pm

re: #55 prairiefire

They remind me of the grunge rock purity bros of the ‘90s.

They have this ugly anti democratic element to them. See how they wanted the DNC to nominate Bernie at the convention despite Bernie losing the pv and delegates. I may agree with them more than not but Bernie has created a left wing Tea Party mindset that I don’t like at all not because I disagree with the goals but because of the lack of understanding basic civics.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:00:28pm

Oh, and Dinesh D’Felon still whinging about California’s vote count taking so long and still comparing it to a lottery (while not mentioning the corrupt NC 9 House race).

I’d dearly love to smack him upside the head with the votes in my village it took a whole week to certify by a county which is entirely composed of Republicans in every office but me. A week to recount roughly seventy votes and he’s whinging about a state with 35,000,000 people? I would almost guess it’s the party name and not the recount that bothers him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:01:39pm

re: #58 piratedan

I really suspect that Senator Sanders is either also in the pocket of some foreign entity or he spent way too much time sniffing glue and reading his own press clippings… its the same tired shit over and over again regarding the Democratic Party having to follow his game plan for success or else it’s doomed or no better than the GOP.

His actions have only a faint reflection of today’s reality and I find it hard to believe that he’s this obtuse (but then again, we DO have Congressman Moulton who is still scrambling on the lawn looking for a clue) without being directed to be so, but perhaps he’s actually this self-absorbed from huffing his own jocks.

Part of me just thinks he’s a guy who let his success in 2016 get to his ego but another part knows his campaign manager worked with Manafort and I know Putin gladly plays the left when it suits his goals too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:02:12pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

Hey, my Internet service is restored after two days. Glad I live in a technologically-advanced country.

After it was restored, I saw that President GHW Bush passed away, so I went out to lower the flags in the village.

Read though the last thread of people commenting on things they didn’t like about him, such as the drug-buy set up in front of the White House, or the Willie Horton advert.

For me it was his “atheists can’t be patriotic and shouldn’t be citizens” while I was in the US Navy.

Others mentioned who they thought the best GOP president was in their lifetimes. For me that would be Eisenhower (though I was too young to remember him directly). No GOP president had gone without being involved in criminality in my lifetime, none. The whole “I didn’t leave the party, the party left me” from conservatives is a bunch of crap. It was crap when I was a teenager, it’s crap now, it will still be crap after I’m gone.

The only Republican Presidents that I have any respect for are Lincoln, Grant, (Teddy) Roosevelt, and Eisenhower. Herbert Hoover I would put in the category of “Would have been a respected figure if he’d never been President”. I have nothing specific against Hayes as a President, but even though he didn’t engineer the treasonous conspiracy that put him in the White House, he did acquiesce in it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:04:38pm

re: #62 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The only Republican Presidents that I have any respect for are Lincoln, Grant, (Teddy) Roosevelt, and Eisenhower. Herbert Hoover I would put in the category of “Would have been a respected figure if he’d never been President”. I have nothing specific against Hayes as a President, but even though he didn’t engineer the treasonous conspiracy that put him in the White House, he did acquiesce in it.

What about Garfield? Anyhow I sorta like Taft a little. Thought TR was too hard on him. Harding was an awful President in many ways but probably the best President on Civil Rights between Grant and FDR.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:06:36pm

Bush- best Republican in my life
Ike- Best 20th century Republican
Abe- Best Republican President or maybe even period.
Soft spot: Jerry Ford

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gwangung  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:09:28pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

I am so tired of the Bernie fanatics who seem to feel that the only Dems who count are progressive Dems. They would rather be in the minority getting nothing accomplished than in a broad-based majority getting most of their wishes fulfilled. It’s everything or nothing with them — they can’t have everything, so they prefer nothing.

A lot of the folks elected WERE pretty damn progressive.

Just not genuflectors at the shrine of Sanders.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:10:31pm

Dems list
Obama: Best in my life
FDR: Best of the 20th century
Polk: Best 19th century
Truman: Personal favorite

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:13:49pm

re: #65 gwangung

A lot of the folks elected WERE pretty damn progressive.

Just not genuflectors at the shrine of Sanders.

That’s what upsets me the most. These aren’t 1990’s DLC third way Dems. These are legitimately progressive men and women who represent many different parts of our base. Bernie should get out of Vermont and his bubble and actually see what’s going on but as I said, I think he’s threatened because he knows he doesn’t have the same thing he had two years ago and like Trump not running against HRC will hurt him too.

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:14:31pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

Hey, my Internet service is restored after two days. Glad I live in a technologically-advanced country.

After it was restored, I saw that President GHW Bush passed away, so I went out to lower the flags in the village.

Read though the last thread of people commenting on things they didn’t like about him, such as the drug-buy set up in front of the White House, or the Willie Horton advert.

For me it was his “atheists can’t be patriotic and shouldn’t be citizens” while I was in the US Navy.

Others mentioned who they thought the best GOP president was in their lifetimes. For me that would be Eisenhower (though I was too young to remember him directly). No GOP president had gone without being involved in criminality in my lifetime, none. The whole “I didn’t leave the party, the party left me” from conservatives is a bunch of crap. It was crap when I was a teenager, it’s crap now, it will still be crap after I’m gone.

As I said downstairs last night, I’m not going to lionize GHWB; he did some good things as POTUS (and as VPOTUS, CIA director, in Congress, and his other various government positions), but also some very shitty things as well over his lifetime and career.

That said, he dedicated his life to service to his country, from his combat service as an USN aviator in WWII straight out of high school onward, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say about either W or, even more stridently, about Trump.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:18:39pm

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

Oh, and Dinesh D’Felon still whinging about California’s vote count taking so long and still comparing it to a lottery (while not mentioning the corrupt NC 9 House race).

I’d dearly love to smack him upside the head with the votes in my village it took a whole week to certify by a county which is entirely composed of Republicans in every office but me. A week to recount roughly seventy votes and he’s whinging about a state with 35,000,000 people? I would almost guess it’s the party name and not the recount that bothers him.

Are you still an elected official?

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:19:25pm

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

I am so tired of the Bernie fanatics who seem to feel that the only Dems who count are progressive Dems. They would rather be in the minority getting nothing accomplished than in a broad-based majority getting most of their wishes fulfilled. It’s everything or nothing with them — they can’t have everything, so they prefer nothing.

Fundamentalists are the same regardless of the underlying ideology. BernieBros ain’t much different different from the Tea Party. Objectives may be different, but process is basically the same

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:22:34pm

Can I add another thing since I’m seeing the Berns go with 2020 hindsight as a slogan but Bernie has been proven wrong too especially on trade. Bernie’s mistake is to view Trump like a generic Republican rather than the fascist he is.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:25:01pm

Best presidents in my lifetime (so far):

Eisenhower (R) and Obama (D)

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:26:13pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

What about Garfield? Anyhow I sorta like Taft a little. Thought TR was too hard on him. Harding was an awful President in many ways but probably the best President on Civil Rights between Grant and FDR.

Garfield wasn’t around long enough but he may have been the most brilliant man elected to the Presidency; if he hadn’t been assassinated, who knows what he may have accomplished?

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:26:43pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Part of me just thinks he’s a guy who let his success in 2016 get to his ego but another part knows his campaign manager worked with Manafort and I know Putin gladly plays the left when it suits his goals too.

I remember when I would watch cspan back in the day and Sanders would show up as a Representative. The ego was always there. The only thing that changed was 2016 gave him a more or less open field and allowed him to be the Not Hillary

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Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:27:18pm

re: #62 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Garfield was assassinated, but I’d say he was admirable looking at what he believed and how he conducted himself, and even how he interfaced with the internal politics of the Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:29:12pm

re: #73 Hecuba’s daughter

Garfield wasn’t around long enough but he may have been the most brilliant man elected to the Presidency; if he hadn’t been assassinated, who knows what he may have accomplished?

Right. I asked respect was brought up and I certainly respect Garfield. Added bonus for being the first left hander. But yeah Garfield was a smart guy. Could write Latin and Greek with different hands simultaneously. Also knew German.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:30:33pm

re: #75 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

Garfield was assassinated, but I’d say he was admirable looking at what he believed and how he conducted himself, and even how he interfaced with the internal politics of the Republicans.

Agreed. Shame he was assassinated. I think he had potential to be a very good president. But we’ll never know.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:30:33pm

Thread

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:31:54pm

re: #75 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

Garfield was assassinated, but I’d say he was admirable looking at what he believed and how he conducted himself, and even how he interfaced with the internal politics of the Republicans.

Yeah, I just didn’t know enough about Garfield to have an opinion, really—or Arthur. But Arthur did push through the Civil Service Act as a result of Garfield’s assassination. That’s what the GOP will go after next after they repeal the 17th Amendment—they really hate it. Ideological purity should be the only qualification for office.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:32:05pm

re: #78 DodgerFan1988

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There’s a reason that I frequently refer to them as the “Banana Republicans.”

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:32:51pm

re: #78 DodgerFan1988

So much for the Republican guarantee clause

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:32:59pm

re: #74 KGxvi

I remember when I would watch cspan back in the day and Sanders would show up as a Representative. The ego was always there. The only thing that changed was 2016 gave him a more or less open field and allowed him to be the Not Hillary

Have to admit while I had heard of him, I didn’t see him much. He seemed okay early on tho. TBH there’s a lot about Bernie’s personality that I think unfortunately resembles Trump and it disappoints me that so many lefties can’t see it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:33:08pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Right. I asked respect was brought up and I certainly respect Garfield. Added bonus for being the first left hander. But yeah Garfield was a smart guy. Could write Latin and Greek with different hands simultaneously. Also knew German.

He also developed an original proof of the Pythagorean Theorem; so he was also a mathematician. His death was a great loss to the country.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:34:44pm

re: #79 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I just didn’t know enough about Garfield to have an opinion, really—or Arthur. But Arthur did push through the Civil Service Act as a result of Garfield’s assassination. That’s what the GOP will go after next after they repeal the 17th Amendment—they really hate it. Ideological purity should be the only qualification for office.

Fun fact about Arthur, my hometown was named after his father in law. Arthur also defended Lizzie Jennings, a sort of proto Rosa Parks in New York.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:35:05pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Have to admit while I had heard of him, I didn’t see him much. He seemed okay early on tho. TBH there’s a lot about Bernie’s personality that I think unfortunately resembles Trump and it disappoints me that so many lefties can’t see it.

What slays me is that it’s the same people who scream about Nancy Pelosi: “We need younger leadership!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:35:42pm

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

He also developed an original proof of the Pythagorean Theorem; so he was also a mathematician. His death was a great loss to the country.

That’s right. A real renaissance man. His son was also a great ally of TR’s. Wonder what his descendants do.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:36:42pm

re: #85 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What slays me is that it’s the same people who scream about Nancy Pelosi: “We need younger leadership!”

Indeed

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:45:23pm

smithsonianmag.com
Kinda neat feature about descendants of Presidents. I’m not closely related to any Presidents. No presidents of Eastern European descent, the German ones are from a different part of Germany as are the Irish ones.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:46:29pm

re: #85 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What slays me is that it’s the same people who scream about Nancy Pelosi: “We need younger leadership!”

Nancy Pelosi is a successful progressive — she may be a perfect model for AOC. But Pelosi is a woman and so is demeaned by men who see her as a roadblock to their leadership. Of course, many of those who disparage her are also the more conservative members of the caucus.

As to Bernie, we know that his chief strategist was an ally of Manafort. I still believe he is as tied to Putin as Trump.

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ckkatz  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:47:33pm

As a subscriber, the Washington Post has sent me a December free 30-day digital subscription pass. The code allows one person free access the Washington Post for 30 days. First one in gets it:

wapo.st

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Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:50:53pm

I always feels a bit bad when multiple people independently bring up the same quibble in response to a single post.

I swear, not a dogpile.

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ckkatz  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:51:45pm

On the apparent meltdown Trump has been having… Hoarse Whisperer posted some days ago that this is one of the stages of narcissists:

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:58:56pm

re: #92 ckkatz

On the apparent meltdown Trump has been having… Hoarse Whisperer posted some days ago that this is one of the stages of narcissists:

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And he continued that through the G-20. Aside from giving one gonzo statement to the press, he pretty much ducked out of most of the formal events or was a total non-entity, only had “informal” meetings with other leaders, and then canceled his speech today out of “respect” for the Bushes for retiring early from the summit.

Which means it’s likely he’s privately fuming that he’s lost any respect he had from other leaders and is totally blaming it on Mueller.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:59:57pm

re: #92 ckkatz

On the apparent meltdown Trump has been having… Hoarse Whisperer posted some days ago that this is one of the stages of narcissists:

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Unfortunately I think narcissistic personality disorder is the least of tRump’s disorders.

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ckkatz  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:04:33pm

re: #94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Unfortunately I think narcissistic personality disorder is the least of tRump’s disorders.

Good point. And an interesting one too!

Certainly, being a President is a huge and complex demand. And he is unsuitable in so many ways.

There are so many ways to fail. Plus so many people working towards that end.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:05:33pm

re: #72 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Best presidents in my lifetime (so far):

Eisenhower (R) and Obama (D)

Johnson was clearly unsuccessful at foreign policy but he had an amazing set of domestic policy accomplishments — Medicare, Medicaid, Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act, anti-poverty programs, the appointment of the first African-American to the SC. I marched in Washington against him but he is often underrated.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:06:42pm

re: #95 ckkatz

Good point. And an interesting one too!

Certainly, being a President is a huge and complex demand. And he is unsuitable in so many ways.

There are so many ways to fail. Plus so many people working towards that end.

But to temper my comment, the NPD may be the one that triggers the explosive meltdown that finally gets the removal ball rolling for real….

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ckkatz  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:08:29pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

And he continued that through the G-20. Aside from giving one gonzo statement to the press, he pretty much ducked out of most of the formal events or was a total non-entity, only had “informal” meetings with other leaders, and then canceled his speech today out of “respect” for the Bushes for retiring early from the summit.

Which means it’s likely he’s privately fuming that he’s lost any respect he had from other leaders and is totally blaming it on Mueller.

While I have not focused on the G-20 due to irl demands, I think you are correct. The other leaders seem to have adapted to his failings and are not wasting a New York minute more than they have to on him. And I agree that it’s a given that he will blame someone else for his failures.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:08:33pm

re: #96 Hecuba’s daughter

Johnson was clearly unsuccessful at foreign policy but he had an amazing set of domestic policy accomplishments — Medicare, Medicaid, Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act, anti-poverty programs, the appointment of the first African-American to the SC. I marched in Washington against him but he is often underrated.

And if Kennedy had lived, you would have been marching against him, so his reputation would have been quite a bit different, too.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:12:20pm

re: #96 Hecuba’s daughter

Johnson was clearly unsuccessful at foreign policy but he had an amazing set of domestic policy accomplishments — Medicare, Medicaid, Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act, anti-poverty programs, the appointment of the first African-American to the SC. I marched in Washington against him but he is often underrated.

Here’s the thing: Most if not all of those were Kennedy’s ideas. JFK had this big plan ready for not only civil rights but social programs when he was assassinated, so LBJ carried them over the finish line in his memory and there were those who voted for them out of respect for Kennedy’s memory. Had he lived, it’s pretty likely most of the Civil Rights legislation we’re familiar with, to say nothing of the Great Society, would have stalled out for years if not another decade because JFK wouldn’t have the political capital to push it all through.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:12:43pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

smithsonianmag.com
Kinda neat feature about descendants of Presidents. I’m not closely related to any Presidents. No presidents of Eastern European descent, the German ones are from a different part of Germany as are the Irish ones.

I am a distant cousin of Richard Nixon. We share a common ancestor from the 18th century Quaker colonies.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:18:43pm

re: #96 Hecuba’s daughter

Johnson was clearly unsuccessful at foreign policy but he had an amazing set of domestic policy accomplishments — Medicare, Medicaid, Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act, anti-poverty programs, the appointment of the first African-American to the SC. I marched in Washington against him but he is often underrated.

LBJ would be a runner-up among the Democratic presidents in my lifetime, particularly for his civil rights and social programs, but his escalation of the war in Vietnam was a big negative for me as someone soon to be a teenager and of draftable age.

TBH each of the presidents is a mixed bag of good and bad. Even Obama had some flaws, but they were small in comparison to his overall job performance.

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ckkatz  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:19:41pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Here’s the thing: Most if not all of those were Kennedy’s ideas. JFK had this big plan ready for not only civil rights but social programs when he was assassinated, so LBJ carried them over the finish line in his memory and there were those who voted for them out of respect for Kennedy’s memory. Had he lived, it’s pretty likely most of the Civil Rights legislation we’re familiar with, to say nothing of the Great Society, would have stalled out for years if not another decade because JFK wouldn’t have the political capital to push it all through.

Kennedy was hobbled as the first Catholic president and as the first of the World War 2 generation presidents. Just as Obama was hobbled as the first African-American president. Clinton was the first baby boomer president. Which may have hobbled him. I suspect that the next elected president after Trump may be the last baby boomer President.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:31:35pm

OMFG!

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KGxvi  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:37:13pm

re: #103 ckkatz

Kennedy was hobbled as the first Catholic president and as the first of the World War 2 generation presidents. Just as Obama was hobbled as the first African-American president. Clinton was the first baby boomer president. Which may have hobbled him. I suspect that the next elected president after Trump may be the last baby boomer President.

More likely the next president will be the first GenX president, depending on when you draw the line between GenX and the Boomers

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:39:29pm

re: #99 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And if Kennedy had lived, you would have been marching against him, so his reputation would have been quite a bit different, too.

Maybe — or maybe not. He might have not been so supportive of the escalation of the war in Vietnam, but we have no way to determine what might have happened.

re: #100 Targetpractice

Here’s the thing: Most if not all of those were Kennedy’s ideas. …Had he lived, it’s pretty likely most of the Civil Rights legislation we’re familiar with, to say nothing of the Great Society, would have stalled out for years if not another decade because JFK wouldn’t have the political capital to push it all through.

Definitely agree. It took a master politician like LBJ to force these policies through. And there likely would not have been the 1964 landslide that helped Johnson achieve these goals.

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ckkatz  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:48:13pm

re: #105 KGxvi

More likely the next president will be the first GenX president, depending on when you draw the line between GenX and the Boomers

That is quite possible. Certainly it is coming, and sooner than many realize. Boomers like me are getting old. :(

Despite the discussions here, I just don’t see any nationally established GenX’ers. But I accept that this failing is me and not reality.

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plansbandc  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:53:26pm

Philly street art…

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:01:28pm

re: #108 ckkatz

That is quite possible. Certainly it is coming, and sooner than many realize. Boomers like me are getting old. :(

Despite the discussions here, I just don’t see any nationally established GenX’ers. But I accept that this failing is me and not reality.

Well known GenX’ers (who all have flaws, as does every politician): Kirsten Gillibrand, Tammy Duckworth, Beto O’Rourke, Cory Booker, Gavin Newsom.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:04:56pm

re: #110 Hecuba’s daughter

Well known GenX’ers (who all have flaws, as does every politician): Kirsten Gillibrand, Tammy Duckworth, Beto O’Rourke, Cory Booker, Gavin Newsom.

Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio …

… I mean, just saying.

Stop throwing rocks at me!

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:08:36pm

re: #106 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe — or maybe not. He might have not been so supportive of the escalation of the war in Vietnam, but we have no way to determine what might have happened.

JFK did not really trust his generals at all. He only went with the Bay of Pigs invasion because A) the CIA lied to him about how deeply involved we were and B) he was presented the invasion as something already in place that just needed his go-ahead to pull the trigger on. Even during the Cuban Missile Crisis, while he didn’t back down and seem weak, he was absolutely livid when events like putting bombers on hot stand-by and detonating H-bombs for “routine tests” happened without his notice or authority.

So in a history where JFK lived, odds are US involvement in Vietnam would have been low-key and focused on propping up the South Vietnamese gov’t than “search and destroy” or bombing campaigns. And he likely would have withdrawn US forces more readily than LBJ or Nixon, who felt the US could not afford to allow Vietnam to fall until it did.

Definitely agree. It took a master politician like LBJ to force these policies through. And there likely would not have been the 1964 landslide that helped Johnson achieve these goals.

Oh, it’s likely that JFK would have had big win against Goldwater in ‘64. But translating that into political capital would still have been more difficult for a young Northern Democrat than for the elder Southern Democrat that actually used the good will of the ‘64 elections to kick Congress around.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:09:13pm

Somebody please indict this sick f*ck.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:10:11pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio …

… I mean, just saying.

Stop throwing rocks at me!

Though if Trump and Pence depart before January 3, Paul Ryan would become President :-(

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:20:21pm

So, with my super-cheap Hulu subscription I’ve been going through the HGTV shows (none of which I’ve watched before)… and I’m sad. Or angry.

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piratedan  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:23:10pm

re: #115 freetoken

I really like Salvage Dawgs and one of my old faves still shows up once in a while when they run some old Curb Appeal and Deck Kings shows…..

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:28:16pm

re: #116 piratedan

Newer shows tend to be all about how great real estate salespeople are… or how to find your latest dream home.

And there is no “G” left in HGTV.

Most of the newer programs have to do with increasing envy.

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:31:04pm

Speaking of how we inhabit space:

It’s not just you: Restaurants really are louder than they used to be

[…]

But Wagner says restaurants actually have an economic incentive to keep their venues loud.

“There are studies that find that loud restaurants are more profitable,” she said. “The louder the restaurant is, the more alcohol is consumed — kind of as a de-stressor.”

If restaurants are louder, it means diners don’t stay too long, which means a higher turnover for restaurant owners, Wagner also said.

[…]

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:31:42pm

re: #113 DodgerFan1988

Why is Alan Dershowitz on @CNN? Why is his presence countenanced anywhere in civil society?

Somebody please indict this sick f*ck.

Because if anyone censured him in any way the Israelis would go apeshit and it would immediately become “antisemitic”. Likudnik sympathies trump (sorry) every other consideration.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:33:38pm
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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:37:00pm

Regarding noise in structures, in the past few years the pro-architecture shows (and there are few - notice how absent architects are from HGTV shows) have pushed noisier and noisier houses.

On Grand Designs, for example, the past few years’ (and this year’s) episodes are full of custom houses that are so acoustically bad that even the sound engineers for the (otherwise high production value) show can’t make indoor interviews sound good - too many echos.

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:38:49pm

re: #117 freetoken

Newer shows tend to be all about how great real estate salespeople are… or how to find your latest dream home.

And there is no “G” left in HGTV.

Most of the newer programs have to do with increasing envy.

And there’s too many massive remodels that are almost full teardown… not a lot of programs anymore about repairing the beautiful parquet floors and exquisite molding and other pre-war features.

When’s the last time one of those shows did a proper full restoration of a 1927 Craftsman?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:40:21pm

Secretary of Defense James Mattis just threw Donald Trump and Russia under the bus

….James Mattis was speaking at a public event today, and according to CNN’s Jim Acosta, Mattis said this: “There is no doubt the relationship has worsened. He (Putin) tried again to muck around in our elections this last month and we are seeing a continued effort along those lines.” In the real world, we call these basic facts. But in the Trump regime, no one is allowed to admit that Russia did any such meddling, because that would mean admitting that Russia rigged the election for Trump, and in turn, that Trump is a Russian puppet.

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:40:36pm

re: #122 sagehen

And there’s too many massive remodels that are almost full teardown… not a lot of programs anymore about repairing the beautiful parquet floors and exquisite molding and other pre-war features.

When’s the last time one of those shows did a proper full restoration of a 1927 Craftsman?

In conjunction with all the above, notice the lack of programming about building your own home.

Many remodels being pushed cost out more than framing a whole new house.

Why?

Because HGTV exists to drive people into Home Depot, Lowes, etc.

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:42:16pm

All the Scripps-Howard TV networks are like this.

Food Network isn’t there to instruct you in how to be a better cook. Instead, it exists to increase your appetite for going to ever more expensive restaurants.

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:42:46pm

And to get you to buy more expensive kitchen gadgets that you don’t really need.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:47:11pm

re: #125 freetoken

All the Scripps-Howard TV networks are like this.

Food Network isn’t there to instruct you in how to be a better cook. Instead, it exists to increase your appetite for going to ever more expensive restaurants.

I’ve recorded every Good Eats episode, so I don’t need the Food Network any more. Is it still Guy Fieri 24/7? That guy annoys the shit out of me. Not as bad as Bobby Flay, but still.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:48:38pm
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sagehen  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:49:58pm

re: #128 Dave In Austin

and he does it without even looking…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:50:15pm

re: #69 MsJ

Are you still an elected official?

Until December 10.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:53:18pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Fun fact about Arthur, my hometown was named after his father in law. Arthur also defended Lizzie Jennings, a sort of proto Rosa Parks in New York.

Another fun fact: Arthur, Nebraska (the only town in Arthur County) is also named after him. (Arthur County is the second-least populated county here, a bit north and east of me.)

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:55:49pm

re: #127 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Alton Brown is rebooting Good Eats - recently they released some edited versions of old shows. Brown says new shows are coming.

But yes, Good Eats was one of the few shows dedicated to teaching. Still, Alton was sure to drive you to the store and buy another gadget.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:58:58pm

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

Until December 10.

Hopefully the Nazi will decide it’s not worth his while to participate and resign the seat. Or he might be like my libertarian acquaintance who took joy in making life miserable for the suburban city council he was elected to.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:07:21am
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dangerman  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:30:09am

So this is the view from 3am

Had to get up and wolf down a PBJ sandwich

Got a 19 mile run scheduled for 5:30 and that long requires extra fuel

Now back to bed for hopefully 2 more hours

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:36:24am

So this is what it means to be a gamer in the 21st century, watching all your beloved game franchises turn into one raging dumpster fire after another. Simcity, Mass Effect, and now Fallout. FFS.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:03:20am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:14:28am

This is quite the graphical display of the shock wave of the Anchorage earthquake felt across the country.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:17:23am

SNL

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:27:11am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

This is quite the graphical display of the shock wave of the Anchorage earthquake felt across the country.

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I’m not crazy about all that motion around the Juan de Fuca Plate boundary down there….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:31:30am

Via B-J:

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:46:28am

re: #141 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Via B-J:

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Yet another reminder that Donny has the anti-Midas touch, turning everything he touches into shit. A whole lot of people are gonna find that, once he leaves office, their resumes will be absolutely toxic. “Worked for Trump administration” is gonna be the kiss of death for any job prospects beyond wingnut welfare.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:32:40am

Rambling on about real estate and how Americans inhabit the landscape…

I’m going through the listings in Las Vegas (don’t know why) and I stumble across a $2.2M almost 10k sq. ft. monstrosity, which has as one of its feature rooms this:

I can’t imagine that someone would do that, and even more so post such an image in this day and age.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:36:16am

And if you think the other wall is bare… think again:

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:26:41am

One thing these house-selling-buying-renovating shows do, in their goals to drive people to spend lots of money at the Home Depot etc., is to train people with buzzwords.

One that is very common is “granite”, as in granite countertops.

Most shows have couples seeking “granite” countertops.

But they are not granite. Not real granite. Most of those countertops look like fused quartz to me, and they probably are (and not a bad thing, fused quartz is a great invention for tops.) A few may be other kinds of stone.

But the marks/consumers now all want “granite”, instead of tile, so off they run to spend lots of money for these new countertops.

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:40:58am

re: #126 freetoken

And to get you to buy more expensive kitchen gadgets that you don’t really need.

I need every single one of those gadgets, thank you very much. Every last one! 😉

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:43:36am

re: #147 MsJ

I need every single one of those gadgets, thank you very much. Every last one! 😉

My wife is not really into kitchen gadgets. She’s pretty much convinced that anything and everything can be accomplished with a glass baking dish, a broiler, a cast iron skillet, a pressure cooker, a pressure canner, and her air fryer. (She practically worships that air fryer.)

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:49:22am

re: #22 Danack

I agree with you. The police need to take steps to stop crime and that’s what they are doing. At least, they’re not shooting hundreds of unarmed people like they do here in the U.S.

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:51:11am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

My wife is not really into kitchen gadgets. She’s pretty much convinced that anything and everything can be accomplished with a glass baking dish, a broiler, a cast iron skillet, a pressure cooker, a pressure canner, and her air fryer. (She practically worships that air fryer.)

My friend… You’ve just listed many gadgets. Just sayin’. 🤣😂🤣

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:53:34am

re: #146 freetoken

One thing these house-selling-buying-renovating shows do, in their goals to drive people to spend lots of money at the Home Depot etc., is to train people with buzzwords.

One that is very common is “granite”, as in granite countertops.

Most shows have couples seeking “granite” countertops.

But they are not granite. Not real granite. Most of those countertops look like fused quartz to me, and they probably are (and not a bad thing, fused quartz is a great invention for tops.) A few may be other kinds of stone.

But the marks/consumers now all want “granite”, instead of tile, so off they run to spend lots of money for these new countertops.

Most of the granite countertops sold are from manufactured granite. Quarried granite is a mite more expensive.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:56:50am

re: #146 freetoken

One thing these house-selling-buying-renovating shows do, in their goals to drive people to spend lots of money at the Home Depot etc., is to train people with buzzwords.

One that is very common is “granite”, as in granite countertops.

Most shows have couples seeking “granite” countertops.

But they are not granite. Not real granite. Most of those countertops look like fused quartz to me, and they probably are (and not a bad thing, fused quartz is a great invention for tops.) A few may be other kinds of stone.

But the marks/consumers now all want “granite”, instead of tile, so off they run to spend lots of money for these new countertops.

Quartz countertops are preferable; they’re harder and more durable without the kind of care that actual granite requires. It’s a substitute for “luxury” or even “required” to sell/buy a home.

What isn’t addressed is the need for quality work in doing the rehab, whether it’s making sure that the electrical and plumbing is done right to making sure that drywall is installed properly, paint applied the right way, or that the HVAC is properly sized and installed. The shows that get closest to helping someone know what to look for and to do things the right way: Holmes (any of the shows), and This Old House. Everyone else is more about the design and style and getting things done quickly. A few of the shows get into how to deal with renovating older homes but any of the Flip shows focus on the shiny stuff and not enough on doing things correctly.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:58:15am

re: #151 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Most of the granite countertops sold are from manufactured granite. Quarried granite is a mite more expensive.

Many of the countertops being pushed in these reno/buying shows are too big to be real, mined granite.

As you point out, they are manufactured somehow. The tops may include granite as part of the ingredients, but the manufacturing is done by melting and pressing.

We don’t have granite out here in the mountains. Instead, our mountains are made out of diorite. While similar to granite, diorite is made from partially melted and recrystallized ocean crust, while granite proper is made from continental crust. Slightly different chemical composition, and the resulting minerals are different.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:58:38am

Oh, so I was watching tv this morning, and Secure.NYC is touting a new app to protect people in NYC metro area to make sure that they’re connecting to legit wi-fi and protecting against sniffers, etc.

What caught my attention is that the bad guy is a red headed guy with glasses that looks suspiciously like someone who we all know and loathe.. rage furby. I kid you not.

I’ve been trying to find an online version of this video, but no luck so far.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:02:07am

re: #153 freetoken

Many of the countertops being pushed in these reno/buying shows are too big to be real, mined granite.

As you point out, they are manufactured somehow. The tops may include granite as part of the ingredients, but the manufacturing is done by melting and pressing.

We don’t have granite out here in the mountains. Instead, our mountains are made out of diorite. While similar to granite, diorite is made from partially melted and recrystallized ocean crust, while granite proper is made from continental crust. Slightly different chemical composition, and the resulting minerals are different.

We don’t have granite in the Sandhills either. Our countertops are made of Formica.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:03:27am
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:04:05am
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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:05:18am

This thread. Read it.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:06:24am

Woke to tornado warning sirens at 4AM. Something hit a neighborhood a couple miles west of here, and skipped on to the eastern edge of town. It will be a couple hours until we know what, and how damaging, it was. We’ll be under watches all day.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:09:06am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Whoa. What a scary thing to wake up to. Hope no one was hurt.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:09:11am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

There was a tornado outbreak across Illinois yesterday/last night, and it may have been something like 20 tornadoes that touched down.

Stay safe as they’re warning that conditions are moving east.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:13:32am

re: #160 Patricia Kayden

Whoa. What a scary thing to wake up to. Hope no one was hurt.

No reports of injuries yet, but photos of mild property damage are turning up. Our town DPW has still not been able to clear much of the tree falls from Hurricane Michael.

People who complain about sluggish government response to sudden disasters fail to realize that it takes days for storm-damaged areas to sense how hard they have been hit. The first thing to go is the commo net.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:16:28am

re: #158 MsJ

This thread. Read it.

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Scary stuff.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:21:03am

re: #109 plansbandc

Philly street art…

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Needs more Gritty.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:22:05am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Scary stuff.

Indeed, scary stuff.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:22:40am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Woke to tornado warning sirens at 4AM. Something hit a neighborhood a couple miles west of here, and skipped on to the eastern edge of town. It will be a couple hours until we know what, and how damaging, it was. We’ll be under watches all day.

I hope that everyone is all right where you are, Deb. Violent storms are scary and dangerous.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:25:20am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

No reports of injuries yet, but photos of mild property damage are turning up. Our town DPW has still not been able to clear much of the tree falls from Hurricane Michael.

People who complain about sluggish government response to sudden disasters fail to realize that it takes days for storm-damaged areas to sense how hard they have been hit. The first thing to go is the commo net.

Yup. Even in this tiny little town, it took days to open our streets and restore our electricity and phone service after each tornado. It took two months to restore the electricity to my house after the second tornado.

When an area as vast as the Gulf Coast or North Carolina is hit by a major hurricane, it can take years to restore everything (and some things will never be restored).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:29:46am

re: #165 Teukka

Indeed, scary stuff.

I’m reading a bunch of WWI stuff: novels, memoirs, etc to comprehend that era better because this does feel a lot like that era with the rise of nationalism

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:33:22am

Neil deGrasse Tyson Faces Investigation By Fox, NatGeo Over Sexual Misconduct Claims (Goes to Huffington Post, caution for auto-play video designed to run up your data plans on cell phones, more at the link).

FOX and National Geographic are investigating (as Dr. deGrasse Tyson’s show “Cosmos” aired on FOX and will air on NG).

Two women are alleging he was sexually inappropriate with them.

patheos.com (details of the alleged assault against an astronomer at a party in 2009)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:34:17am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

Neil deGrasse Tyson Faces Investigation By Fox, NatGeo Over Sexual Misconduct Claims (Goes to Huffington Post, caution for auto-play video designed to run up your data plans on cell phones, more at the link).

FOX and National Geographic are investigating (as Dr. deGrasse Tyson’s show “Cosmos” aired on FOX and will air on NG.

Two women are alleging he was sexually inappropriate with them.

patheos.com (details of the alleged assault against an astronomer at a party in 2009)

Doesn’t sound good.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:37:21am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

re: #170 HappyWarrior

But, but…” when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

There must be a shade of difference.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:40:35am

re: #171 Decatur Deb

But, but…” when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

There must be a shade of difference.

Dr. Tyson has attacked Donald Trump in the past over that statement as well.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:44:52am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve made this claim before and will repeat it here: I will not be surprised if about one out of four men, especially men of influence or power, have tried to use their position to improperly coerce a female colleague/employee into an unwanted relationship.

On the one hand, being male, I can understand the confusing dynamics we males have been taught, in regards to approaching someone else. There is conflicting images impressed upon young men - have to be aggressive, have to be sensitive.

Mostly though I think these things are all about power and only minorly about gender.

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:45:15am
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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:45:19am

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

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lol, Milo owes Pamela Geller $33,000. What great news to start the day too.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:45:34am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

I see quite a few comments defending DeGrasse’s actions as nothing but awkward dating moves. I tend not to agree with that assessment but will withhhold judgment until this matter has been fully investigated.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:46:35am

World leaders pay tribute to former President Geo. HW Bush.
cnn.com

Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Theresa May, Emanuel Macron and others have weighed in with their thoughts.

Former President Barack Obama: America has lost a patriot and humble servant in George Herbert Walker Bush. While our hearts are heavy today, they are also filled with gratitude. Not merely for the years he spent as our forty-first President, but for the more than 70 years he spent in devoted service to the country he loved — from a decorated Naval aviator who nearly gave his life in World War II, to Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces, with plenty of posts along the way. Ambassador to the United Nations. Director of Central Intelligence. U.S. Envoy to China. Vice President of the United States.

George H.W. Bush’s life is a testament to the notion that public service is a noble, joyous calling. And he did tremendous good along the journey. Expanding America’s promise to new immigrants and people with disabilities. Reducing the scourge of nuclear weapons and building a broad international coalition to expel a dictator from Kuwait. And when democratic revolutions bloomed across Eastern Europe, it was his steady, diplomatic hand that made possible an achievement once thought anything but — ending the Cold War without firing a shot.

It’s a legacy of service that may never be matched, even though he’d want all of us to try.

After seventy-three years of marriage, George and Barbara Bush are together again now, two points of light that never dimmed, two points of light that ignited countless others with their example — the example of a man who, even after commanding the world’s mightiest military, once said “I got more of a kick out of being one of the founders of the YMCA in Midland, Texas back in 1952 than almost anything I’ve done.”

What a testament to the qualities that make this country great. Service to others. Commitment to leaving behind something better. Sacrifice in the name of lifting this country closer to its founding ideals. Our thoughts are with the entire Bush family tonight — and all who were inspired by George and Barbara’s example.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:48:51am

re: #173 freetoken

I’ve made this claim before and will repeat it here: I will not be surprised if about one out of four men, especially men of influence or power, have tried to use their position to improperly coerce a female colleague/employee into an unwanted relationship.

On the one hand, being male, I can understand the confusing dynamics we males have been taught, in regards to approaching someone else. There is conflicting images impressed upon young men - have to be aggressive, have to be sensitive.

Mostly though I think these things are all about power and only minorly about gender.

Got my dating tips from monks and nuns—worked surprisingly well.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:52:58am

re: #158 MsJ

Wow. This manipulation even impacts Trinidad which is a staunchly democratic country. Shocking. Glad this is all being exposed so it can be challenged and stopped.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:59:27am

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

Milo made the typical mistake of thinking his gravy train was never-ending, like those Ponzi scheme guys. So, he spent more than he could reasonably expect to take in long term.

Not crying for him.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:02:50am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Woke to tornado warning sirens at 4AM. Something hit a neighborhood a couple miles west of here, and skipped on to the eastern edge of town. It will be a couple hours until we know what, and how damaging, it was. We’ll be under watches all day.

Hope damage is minimal and that no one was hurt.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:03:22am

re: #174 MsJ

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Advice to the DNC: Call him on the bluff. Let him be the one to pull the trigger. Then when he tries to unilaterally pull the country out of NAFTA, drag his ass to the courts and settle this there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:05:12am

re: #178 Decatur Deb

Got my dating tips from monks and nuns—worked surprisingly well.

I was kept safe from people of the cloth. /s

For me I think was being raised entirely by women starting in my teen years (by which time all the men in my family were dead but me).

Also, no sports (hence no coaches).

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:11:44am

George H.W. Bush left a note to Bill Clinton. It’s an artifact of political humility. (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

Dear Bill,

When I walked into this office just now I felt the same sense of wonder and respect that I felt four years ago. I know you will feel that, too.

I wish you great happiness here. I never felt the loneliness some Presidents have described.

There will be very tough times, made even more difficult by criticism you may not think is fair. I’m not a very good one to give advice; but just don’t let the critics discourage you or push you off course.

You will be our President when you read this note. I wish you well. I wish your family well.

Your success now is our country’s success. I am rooting hard for you.

Good luck-

George

(more)

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:13:47am

re: #180 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Milo made the typical mistake of thinking his gravy train was never-ending, like those Ponzi scheme guys. So, he spent more than he could reasonably expect to take in long term.

Not crying for him.

WHO KNEW BUBBLES BURST!?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:13:53am

Keeping himself amused

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:14:41am

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹

That note itself speaks volumes about HW and what he thought of Bill Clinton.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:15:06am

First case of AFM (a polio-like illness) confirmed in Nebraska, with another suspected.
starherald.com

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:15:28am
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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:17:06am

current status too

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:18:02am

re: #189 MsJ

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If that doesn’t make Jack change his mind then I don’t know what will.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:18:19am

re: #190 bd(soros funded)

Dead guys got no rhythm

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:20:16am

re: #189 MsJ

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Somewhere, a street corner is missing its “The End Is Nigh!” weirdo.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:22:06am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Dem Bones

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:22:41am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Dead guys got no rhythm

They’re kinda stiff

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:23:14am

re: #189 MsJ

Holy crap! Alex Jones was never very well anchored to reality, but wow, just wow. I need eyebleach after seeing that.

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:24:47am

Can I hope that no one who has anything to do with this maladministration is ever offered another job? Ever.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:24:55am

Is time for bed here. Catch you all later!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:27:14am

re: #198 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Is time for bed here. Catch you all later!

Hey, good night over there on the back side of the space pizza. It’s snowing lightly here, so I hope you’re warm.

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:30:02am

re: #193 Targetpractice

Somewhere, a street corner is missing its “The End Is Nigh!” weirdo.

LOL!!! We have one of those here in this smallish sized city. Ours has a mic and amplifier. Hubby and I always roll down the windows as we drive by (he parks himself on the corner where the biggest grocery store is located) just because.

Then we laugh all the way home.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:35:50am

(9:30, NSFW for coarse language)
Utah Outcasts goes after Jim Bakker and Carl Gallups for their stance on asylum seekers, using the Bible to justify their Christian love (and conflating asylum seekers with “depravities” such as fornication and Teh Geyh Agenda as demonic):

Jim Bakker and Carl Gallups HATE Immigrants, How Christlike

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Thanos  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:38:24am

re: #107 freetoken

They never imagined it would lead to this…

Walken in a Winter Wonderland
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jeffreyw  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:38:47am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:40:08am

re: #197 MsJ

Can I hope that no one who has anything to do with this maladministration is ever offered another job? Ever.

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I’m beginning to suspect that the original cadre of lawyers Donny hired left for reasons other than they couldn’t deal with him anymore.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:46:54am

re: #203 jeffreyw

That is a pretty cool picture of the blue jay. Do they like peanuts?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:49:30am

LOL. My wife points out you cannot have a rational conversation with an anti-vaxxer Perhaps we’re doing it wrong: We need to have irrational conversations with them.

“The anti-vax stance is really being promoted by the Illuminati, Freemasons, and the Bilderburg Group to reduce populations and take over the world. Vaccines are really gluten-free, but they don’t want you to know that and are secretly promoting the idea they contain poisons so you’ll avoid them and dupe you into advancing their agenda of world domination and a New World Order.”

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:51:48am

This is what has Trump so shook.

I hope and pray they all lose everything. And then become the pariahs they deserve to be; broke and destitute, homeless and reliant on the goodness of others.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:54:41am

re: #207 MsJ

This is what has Trump so shook.

I hope and pray they all lose everything. And then become the pariahs they deserve to be; broke and destitute, homeless and reliant on the goodness of others.

I don’t wish homelessness on anyone (having been there myself). That said, jail is not homeless.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:00:16am

re: #207 MsJ

This is what has Trump so shook.

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I hope and pray they all lose everything. And then become the pariahs they deserve to be; broke and destitute, homeless and reliant on the goodness of others.

It’s been obvious since the beginning that Donny projected onto Hillary everything he was doing or wanted to do. So it’s not surprising that every time he screamed out that she was selling influence or “FOLLOW THE MONEY!”, it was because he was already making deals behind closed doors to sell the presidency to the highest bidder.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:02:08am

re: #125 freetoken

All the Scripps-Howard TV networks are like this.

Food Network isn’t there to instruct you in how to be a better cook. Instead, it exists to increase your appetite for going to ever more expensive restaurants.

My wife watches a number of shows where you learn how to cook. My favorite is The Kitchen. I have a crush on Sunny Anderson.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:04:06am

re: #209 Targetpractice

It’s been obvious since the beginning that Donny projected onto Hillary everything he was doing or wanted to do. So it’s not surprising that every time he screamed out that she was selling influence or “FOLLOW THE MONEY!”, it was because he was already making deals behind closed doors to sell the presidency to the highest bidder.

Question is, at what point does the corruption become so serious in nature that if a state is behind a part of it, action has to be taken or the state in question needs to attack to save face? That keeps me up at night, as I come from a country the Russian nationalists think is theirs…

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:16:56am

…. Deleted. See below.

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:18:32am

re: #197 MsJ

Can I hope that no one who has anything to do with this maladministration is ever offered another job? Ever.

I dunno, I think I’d derive great satisfaction if any (all?) of them had to spend the next 40 years asking “Would you like fries with that?”

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MsJ  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:18:40am

re: #212 MsJ

1MDB is like McDonald’s, Starbucks and oxygen… It’s everywhere.

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Grrr…. Touched too soon…

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:27:10am

“…Culture-war politics had previously been seen as the glue that stuck together a disparate coalition of voters behind a party whose real agenda was to support big business, “law and order,” low taxes on the rich and expansionist foreign policy. But as Pat Buchanan astutely perceived way back in 1992 (in a truly terrifying speech I witnessed in person), ground-level Republican voters only wanted the culture war and barely tolerated that other stuff. In fact, except for unleashing cops against poor people, they actively disliked it: They were totally fine with government spending for programs they actually used, as long as the money could be steered away from black people and immigrants.

This is what my colleague Amanda Marcotte describes as the descent into “Troll Nation,” bringing us to the current moment when “conservatives” no longer hold any ideology worthy of that name, and possess no policy goals beyond public spectacles of cruelty and “owning the libs.” I imagine Ryan finds that regrettable, and longs for a day when earnest discussions of Friedrich Hayek’s theories of market perfection will come back into vogue. But he’s probably smart enough to understand that the game is up, which is why he’s crawling out of Washington now, not just defeated (there’s no shame in that) but thoroughly disgraced.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:33:38am

re: #215 jaunte

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“…Culture-war politics had previously been seen as the glue that stuck together a disparate coalition of voters behind a party whose real agenda was to support big business, “law and order,” low taxes on the rich and expansionist foreign policy. But as Pat Buchanan astutely perceived way back in 1992 (in a truly terrifying speech I witnessed in person), ground-level Republican voters only wanted the culture war and barely tolerated that other stuff. In fact, except for unleashing cops against poor people, they actively disliked it: They were totally fine with government spending for programs they actually used, as long as the money could be steered away from black people and immigrants.

This is what my colleague Amanda Marcotte describes as the descent into “Troll Nation,” bringing us to the current moment when “conservatives” no longer hold any ideology worthy of that name, and possess no policy goals beyond public spectacles of cruelty and “owning the libs.” I imagine Ryan finds that regrettable, and longs for a day when earnest discussions of Friedrich Hayek’s theories of market perfection will come back into vogue. But he’s probably smart enough to understand that the game is up, which is why he’s crawling out of Washington now, not just defeated (there’s no shame in that) but thoroughly disgraced.”

He jumped ship because otherwise he was going to be thrown off it, first losing the gavel through a messy fight with the “Freedom Caucus,” then his seat when either a Dem won it or he was primaried out for being insufficiently dedicated to “owning the libs.” Or, in fewer words, he decided to quit before he was fired.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:35:54am

re: #216 Targetpractice

He jumped ship because otherwise he was going to be thrown off it, first losing the gavel through a messy fight with the “Freedom Caucus,” then his seat when either a Dem won it or he was primaried out for being insufficiently dedicated to “owning the libs.” Or, in fewer words, he decided to quit before he was fired.

Paul Ryan, policy wonk, RINO.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:39:00am

Well, I’m off to bed. The sun is up, the snow is down, and I’m tired. Catch y’all later.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:42:39am

re: #215 jaunte

What we have to do is split the social conservatives off from everyone else. I don’t really want either group, but we just have to drive a wedge. Trump may do a lot of that, though, by appealing to racists and pissing off business.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:48:01am

It’s no longer about being effective but pissing off the libs.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:49:03am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:50:53am

re: #221 Belafon

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Unlike HW Bush, i cant find a single thing about Newt I find admirable in or outside of politics.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:52:54am

re: #161 lawhawk

There was a tornado outbreak across Illinois yesterday/last night, and it may have been something like 20 tornadoes that touched down.

Stay safe as they’re warning that conditions are moving east.

I saw some video of damage from the southern Illinois tornadoes.

I thought of Retired Cynic, she lives down that way I think, near Missouri and Arkansas area.

I hope everything is okay with her.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:53:52am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Unlike HW Bush, i cant find a single thing about Newt I find admirable in or outside of politics.

I’ll be as nice to Gingrich as he was to his ex-wives.

I’ll be as nice to Gingrich as he was to Bill Clinton.

I’ll be as nice to Gingrich as he was to the American Public.

I’ll be as nice to Gingrich as he was to …………………………….

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:56:44am

re: #224 I Would Prefer Not To

I’ll be as nice to Gingrich as he was to his ex-wives.

I’ll be as nice to Gingrich as he was to Bill Clinton.

I’ll be as nice to Gingrich as he was to the American Public.

I’ll be as nice to Gingrich as he was to …………………………….

It’s always been considered good manners to never speak ill of the dead.

So I won’t being saying a goddamn thing when Newt shuffles off this mortal coil. What I’d be feeling, deep in the cockles of my black little heart, is “good riddance to bad rubbish”.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:58:29am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

It’s always been considered good manners to never speak ill of the dead.

So I won’t being saying a goddamn thing when Newt shuffles off this mortal coil. What I’d be feeling, deep in the cockles of my black little heart, is “good riddance to bad rubbish”.

We need to practice our Fox News “Ok look, pandas are having sex” skills.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:59:36am

re: #136 Targetpractice

So this is what it means to be a gamer in the 21st century, watching all your beloved game franchises turn into one raging dumpster fire after another. Simcity, Mass Effect, and now Fallout. FFS.

Exhibit A on why I play mostly retro games these days.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:11:37am

re: #223 ObserverArt

I saw some video of damage from the southern Illinois tornadoes.

I thought of Retired Cynic, she lives down that way I think, near Missouri and Arkansas area.

I hope everything is okay with her.

i think that’s Jeffrey.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:23:16am
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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:24:46am

re: #228 Barefoot Grin

i think that’s Jeffrey.

She has mentioned that she and Jeffery are in the same general area weather wise. I do believe Jeffery is in Arkansas. Cynic is either in southern Illinois or Missouri.

Just looking at the Google news and there are reports of 22 tornadoes in central to southern Illinois last night/early morning.

Looks like tornado season is all year long now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:26:40am

Sad to hear about Dr, Tyson. I thought he’d be better than that.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:26:51am

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

Changed the tweet a little. Fixed a spelling error.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:27:05am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:31:05am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

It’s always been considered good manners to never speak ill of the dead.

So I won’t being saying a goddamn thing when Newt shuffles off this mortal coil. What I’d be feeling, deep in the cockles of my black little heart, is “good riddance to bad rubbish”.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:37:18am

A powerful photo…

Facebook Post

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:45:24am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:57:44am

re: #230 ObserverArt

She has mentioned that she and Jeffery are in the same general area weather wise. I do believe Jeffery is in Arkansas. Cynic is either in southern Illinois or Missouri.

Just looking at the Google news and there are reports of 22 tornadoes in central to southern Illinois last night/early morning.

Looks like tornado season is all year long now.

I’d better call home. My folks are in central Illinois.

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steve_davis  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:02:34am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Part of me just thinks he’s a guy who let his success in 2016 get to his ego but another part knows his campaign manager worked with Manafort and I know Putin gladly plays the left when it suits his goals too.

he’s from vermont. having visited vermont this past summer for bread loaf, I can state authoritatively that vermont is like no other place in this country. i actually really liked it, but it has a really strong hippies-at-the-commune vibe to it that no doubt becomes part of its residents’ world view. I suspect a Vermonter, told he or she was being forcibly exiled to South Carolina, would probably need trauma therapy to deal with it.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:04:58am

Breaking News here in Sweden:
Armed Forces shot warning rounds at intruders

Two people have been apprehended inside the Muskö base, the Armed Forces said in a statement. During the incident, warning rounds were fired.

The intrusion was detected at 1 o’clock AM during the night to Sunday.

The Muskö base, located on Muskö in Haninge municipality south of Stockholm, is a military protected object and the persons were detained in accordance with the protection act. They have been handed over to the police who are investigating the case.

Source: TT/Expressen

Muskö is one of a handful of places in Sweden where you can get killed when trespassing…

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stpaulbear  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:05:09am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

That is a pretty cool picture of the blue jay. Do they like peanuts?

Bluejays love peanuts. If they have a bunch to choose from, they’ll pick them up one at a time until they find the one they like best (probably the heaviest) and then take it away to eat it. They’re smart shoppers.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:05:20am

re: #122 sagehen

And there’s too many massive remodels that are almost full teardown… not a lot of programs anymore about repairing the beautiful parquet floors and exquisite molding and other pre-war features.

When’s the last time one of those shows did a proper full restoration of a 1927 Craftsman?

Rehab Addict.

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KGxvi  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:06:35am

re: #108 ckkatz

That is quite possible. Certainly it is coming, and sooner than many realize. Boomers like me are getting old. :(

Despite the discussions here, I just don’t see any nationally established GenX’ers. But I accept that this failing is me and not reality.

Booker is GenX, Harris is on the cusp (depending on where you draw the line). Schatz, Gillibrand, and Duckworth are also GenXers.

Gavin Newsom, the governor-elect is also, but I suspect he won’t make the mistake of running for president while in office like so many of his predecessors. Though, had Brown not run for governor 8 years ago, I suspect Newsom would have been governor and likely ran in 2016.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:11:15am

re: #239 Teukka

Breaking News here in Sweden:
Armed Forces shot warning rounds at intruders

Two people have been apprehended inside the Muskö base, the Armed Forces said in a statement. During the incident, warning rounds were fired.

The intrusion was detected at 1 o’clock AM during the night to Sunday.

The Muskö base, located on Muskö in Haninge municipality south of Stockholm, is a military protected object and the persons were detained in accordance with the protection act. They have been handed over to the police who are investigating the case.

Source: TT/Expressen

Muskö is one of a handful of places in Sweden where you can get killed when trespassing…

Addendum:
According to DN, the apprehended persons are foreign citizens, and the Armed Forces actually firing warning rounds or for effect against intruders is very rare. My mom says she has only heard of it once or twice in my 46-year lifetime.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:17:48am

re: #161 lawhawk

There was a tornado outbreak across Illinois yesterday/last night, and it may have been something like 20 tornadoes that touched down.

Stay safe as they’re warning that conditions are moving east.

Yep. It was very warm yesterday, and then the winds started picking up. It is windy as ^%&* this morning. The horses were hiding from it behind the shed, and didn’t come out until feed was in the buckets.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:18:35am

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

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I can imagine Milo on the phone pleading with his Sugar Momma Mercer and she cuts his sorry ass loose.

Coming up next—Milo’s hubby writes a tell all book that gives Milo the Mommy Dearest treatment!

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:20:26am

re: #244 retired cynic

Even the local Nat’l Weather Service branch has the warnings on its front page.
weather.gov

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:23:46am

Winds were whipping up in Los Angeles last night and the palm trees are still doing the twist here on Normandie Ave!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:31:10am

Milo deserves every last bit of all the shit that’s
been piled on him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:32:20am

re: #247 Joe Bacon 🌹

Winds were whipping up in Los Angeles last night and the palm trees are still doing the twist here on Normandie Ave!

The Day After Tomorrow - L.A. Tornados

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:35:56am

Swamp the drain
6 White House officials found in violation of the Hatch Act

All six violated the Hatch Act by using their Twitter accounts, which they use for official purposes, to tweet messages considered partisan by OSC. Four of the six tweeted messages that included “#MAGA” or the slogan “Make America Great Again!” Shah tweeted a message from his account citing research from the Republican National Committee. Ditto retweeted Shah’s message with RNC research.

OSC found that these messages violated the Hatch Act because they use the political slogan of a current candidate, President Donald Trump, who has announced that he will be running for re-election in 2020. Tweeting those slogans from an account used for official purposes as a federal employee is considered political activity, the letter states. In Shah’s and Ditto’s cases, they highlighted research conducted by a political party, which OSC considered engaging in prohibited political activity.

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:36:38am

re: #236 lawhawk

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I know it’s always good news to see a crook like Netanyahu run afoul of the authorities, but haven’t we been down this alley before? IIRC, when it says “Israeli police recommend”, it’s just that: that their “recommendation” still needs to be acted on by other players in their Justice system: and (again IIRC), actual indictment/prosecution is up to some official (?? their Attorney General or equivalent??) who is a political crony of Bibi’s. So no perp-march just yet.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:36:52am
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:37:29am

re: #250 Unshaken Defiance

Remember when DT said “extreme vetting” and “the best people.” All the best that the swamp has to offer. Oy.

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stpaulbear  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:38:37am

re: #249 Eclectic Cyborg

My favorite thing about that scene is the guy flying his helicopter through multiple tornadoes and chastising people on the ground for taking pictures!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:39:22am

re: #253 PhillyPretzel

Remember when DT said “extreme vetting” and “the best people.” All the best that the swamp has to offer. Oy.

And brainwashed fools like my sister still bow down before Trump believing Gawd chose him to be our King. And when Obama was President she put every bit of racist garbage she could get her hands on in her Facebook page.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:40:09am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:43:28am

re: #254 stpaulbear

My favorite thing about that scene is the guy flying his helicopter through multiple tornadoes and chastising people on the ground for taking pictures!

Lol, yeah it’s unrealistic as hell, but good popcorn fare.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:43:44am

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ericblair  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:44:22am

re: #252 Teukka

Armed Forces shot warning rounds at intruders

Unless these are Finns more drunk than usual, I think we’ve got exactly one suspect country in mind here. Oh, and about Finland:

Raid on Finnish properties controlled by our Russian buds.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:45:11am

re: #223 ObserverArt

I saw some video of damage from the southern Illinois tornadoes.

I thought of Retired Cynic, she lives down that way I think, near Missouri and Arkansas area.

I hope everything is okay with her.

Thanks! I’m good here. Just windy as ^&*# as I said above.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:45:26am

re: #257 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol, yeah it’s unrealistic as hell, but good popcorn fare.

My high school Advanced Biology teacher was a chopper pilot in Vietnam. He said there is no CENSORED way a helicopter can fly close to a tornado without getting pelted with debris.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:47:34am

re: #260 retired cynic

Thanks! I’m good here. Just windy as ^&*# as I said above.

Was I right about you living in the area I mentioned? Good to know you weren’t in the area. Sounds like some of the storms were strong and damaging.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:47:35am

re: #230 ObserverArt

She has mentioned that she and Jeffery are in the same general area weather wise. I do believe Jeffery is in Arkansas. Cynic is either in southern Illinois or Missouri.

Just looking at the Google news and there are reports of 22 tornadoes in central to southern Illinois last night/early morning.

Looks like tornado season is all year long now.

Both of us are in down state Illinois, but JeffreyW is south of me about 90 minutes. I’m about an hour north of St Louis and west of Missouri. In that bulge. Along the IL river.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:48:31am

re: #253 PhillyPretzel

Remember when DT said “extreme vetting” and “the best people.” All the best that the swamp has to offer. Oy.

In any normal admin, this would be enormous. Today, it’s just a segment of the noise level. I think that’s what kills me. How normalized the worst behavior at the highest levels has become. The next president needs to have an equally huge impact, but the other way lest this take a decade to unwind.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:51:58am

re: #261 Joe Bacon 🌹

My high school Advanced Biology teacher was a chopper pilot in Vietnam. He said there is no CENSORED way a helicopter can fly close to a tornado without getting pelted with debris.

The air force lent a Skyraider for penetrating thunderstorms long ago. It got de armed and up armored, that plane was the predecessor to the A-10 for going low, slow and protecting troops from enemy on the ground. Recently a program to do the same to an A-10 for the same purpose was dropped. Anyway both those planes could take bullets all day long. But hail could put them down.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:55:04am

re: #265 Unshaken Defiance

The air force lent a Skyraider for penetrating thunderstorms long ago. It got de armed and up armored, that plane was the predecessor to the A-10 for going low, slow and protecting troops from enemy on the ground. Recently a program to do the same to an A-10 for the same purpose was dropped. Anyway both those planes could take bullets all day long. But hail could put them down.

Mother Nature is a fierce, uncompromising bitch sometimes.

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jeffreyw  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:55:36am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

That is a pretty cool picture of the blue jay. Do they like peanuts?

Imgur


yup

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:56:14am

Arsenal won the North London Darby today. I am very very pleased.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:57:52am

re: #259 ericblair

Unless these are Finns more drunk than usual, I think we’ve got exactly one suspect country in mind here. Oh, and about Finland:

Raid on Finnish properties controlled by our Russian buds.

Not even a totally wasted Finn would pass that many protected object signs without doing a 180°… And this is Muskö, Sweden, it’s one of a handful of places where you can easilly get fired at for effect if you don’t obey the personel… Something this eejits did. Disobeyed the soldiers orders, that is.
For future reference, if you’re in Sweden and see this, it means DO NOT ENTER. DO NOT TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OR EVEN DRAW, MEASURE OR DESCRIBE THE OBJECT PROTECTED BT IT. Going “fuck the law” means jailtime or at least fines that will be felt.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:59:14am

re: #269 Teukka

Other variant of sign, with access limitation this time.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:02:23am

Looks like the College Football semifinals are set. ‘Bama versus Oklahoma. Notre Dame versus Clemson.

Georgia finishes 5th and Ohio State 6th.

Ohio State would have made it if they didn’t screw up so bad by losing to Purdue, their only loss.

Let the bitching proceed!

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:04:20am

re: #271 ObserverArt

::: runs past Observer Art saying Go Navy Beat Army :::

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:07:45am

Have no desire to watch any football games after seeing how Tony Dorsett is now confined to a wheelchair and suffers from massive brain damage.

Went to Pitt the same time Tony did. Heartbreaking to see him suffer for the glory of Rome.

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jeffreyw  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:11:31am

re: #228 Barefoot Grin

i think that’s Jeffrey.

All that must of been north of us, No alerts, wind, or rain here that we noticed,

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:16:13am
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darthstar  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:17:25am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:17:48am
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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:19:16am

Warm enough here in central Ohio, the wasps are out hanging around my windows and doors…probably hoping to get in. They are acting like they are drunk all slow and deliberate. Mother Nature has fooled them.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:26:16am

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

I had never heard of N. K. Jemison, and now I have to find time to read her books.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:26:59am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:30:05am

Congressman-Elect FL-15th
Took four personal loans from two individuals.
While making four loans, “from his personal finances”, to his campaign.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:30:50am

re: #280 Ace-o-aces

Someone should ask him to prove it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:41:20am

re: #281 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Are there any Republicans out there who aren’t corrupt assholes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:41:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:42:21am
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jaunte  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:42:36am
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ericblair  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:45:37am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any Republicans out there who aren’t corrupt assholes?

I think this is actually a good question. They have been in a criminally permissive environment with zero oversight (actually with the supposed oversight protecting them) for long enough that most of them wouldn’t even know or remember what laws they’ve broken.

I’m also pretty convinced they’re like organized crime at this point, where if they haven’t participated in the common crimes they’re suspect and a threat. A serious investigation of their finances could take out most of the party.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:48:18am

re: #287 ericblair

Speaking of which:

The FTC’s lawsuit concluded in a settlement, in which World Patent Marketing, Inc. neither admitted nor denied the allegations, but the defendants were banned from invention-promotion related activities. The settlement also mandated that the defendants pay nearly $25 million in fines, but the FTC ultimately accepted less than $1 million.</blockquote>

This is the shit that happens when the criminals have captured our regulatory bodies.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:49:31am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:55:08am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:56:04am

re: #287 ericblair

I think this is actually a good question. They have been in a criminally permissive environment with zero oversight (actually with the supposed oversight protecting them) for long enough that most of them would even know or remember what laws they’ve broken.

I’m also pretty convinced they’re like organized crime at this point, where if they haven’t participated in the common crimes they’re suspect and a threat. A serious investigation of their finances could take out most of the party.

You are so right. The proposed Trump Tower included a promise to give Putin a 50 million dollar penthouse and Trump fans see nothing wrong with this — it’s just the cost of doing business in certain countries, they say. In recent years, my employer required that everyone take an annual online course on business ethics. Bribery was definitely a no-no. But corruption is seeping into this nation everywhere and Republicans are at the forefront of this trend. OTOH — corruption has always been part and parcel of the real estate business; having a president from this sector just transfers this criminality from the private sector to the public sector.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 10:58:46am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:03:28am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:04:36am

re: #263 retired cynic

Both of us are in down state Illinois, but JeffreyW is south of me about 90 minutes. I’m about an hour north of St Louis and west of Missouri. In that bulge. Along the IL river.

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dirkdigglerjr  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:13:33am

re: #290 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Milk? Eff U! We want MEAT!

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:13:54am

re: #294 Barefoot Grin

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:18:05am

re: #293 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Guess we need more good toddlers with guns.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:18:59am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:23:01am

re: #296 retired cynic

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:25:38am

re: #136 Targetpractice

So this is what it means to be a gamer in the 21st century, watching all your beloved game franchises turn into one raging dumpster fire after another. Simcity, Mass Effect, and now Fallout. FFS.

This is what it means to be a human in the 21st century, watching all your beloved (anything) turn into one raging dumpster fire after another.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:31:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:33:15am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:36:35am

re: #301 Charles Johnson

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Oh Wales.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:45:06am

re: #299 Barefoot Grin

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:45:44am

re: #304 retired cynic

Edited for typo

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:47:06am

re: #301 Charles Johnson

What can’t you beat? A dead horse!

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:00:53pm

re: #277 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’m sure that “owning Piers Morgan” is an easy enough accomplishment even for a nonagenarian, but I can’t seem to find Dick Van Dyke’s actual response to Morgan’s derp (though I’m sure it’s a 3d-degree burn). What did he say?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:02:50pm

re: #307 Jay C

I’m sure that “owning Piers Morgan” is an easy enough accomplishment even for a nonagenarian, but I can’t seem to find Dick Van Dyke’s actual response to Morgan’s derp (though I’m sure it’s a 3d-degree burn). What did he say?

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:04:15pm

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re: #309 A Mom Anon

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:46:57pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

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Alas, poor Mr. Ed! I knew him, Horatio


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How Smooth Jazz Took Over the ’90s You should give smooth jazz a chance. Subscribe to our channel! goo.gl Smooth jazz has gotten a bad rap for decades. It’s often associated with background music for elevators or the soundtrack at the dentist office. Smooth jazz is ...
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Feds Target Butina’s GOP Boyfriend as Foreign Agent Paul Erickson, a longtime Republican politico whose Russian girlfriend is in jail on charges she acted as a covert foreign agent, has been informed that he may face similar accusations. The Daily Beast reviewed a so-called “target letter” that ...
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Police: Charge Benjamin and Sara Netanyahu With Bribery in Telecom Case - Israel News - Haaretz.com The police and Israel Securities Authority on Sunday recommended indicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyau and his wife, Sara, as well as media mogul Shaul Elovitch and his wife, Iris, for bribery and other corruption charges in the investigation dubbed ...
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