An Incredible Full Concert: Chris Thile’s Live From Here, December 1, 2018: Cat Power, Jacob Collier, Matteo Lane, Rachael Price

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418 comments

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:45:20am

Wow, that opening piece by Chris Thile. He’s just amazing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:48:15am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Wow, that opening piece by Chris Thile. He’s just amazing.

Yeah I’ve liked him and the Punch Brothers since the Inside Llewyn Davis soundtrack special.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:57:29am

Also, as inexcusably bad as Pentagon record keeping is and inflated their budget it’s ridiculous to think all of that money was wasted and could simply not have been spent. It can definitely be reduced by a lot, but not eliminated entirely. She’d be better off talking about the inherent unaccounted for savings in MfA that come from things like increased worker productivity, lower cost of care due to a single massive insurance pool and reduced bankruptcies & foreclosures.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:59:29am

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

I am reminded of Senator Proxmire and his Golden Fleece awards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 11:59:53am
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:00:37pm

re: #4 PhillyPretzel

I am reminded of Senator Proxmire and his Golden Fleece awards.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:02:14pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:02:31pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

Information from Wiki:
en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:03:18pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:03:53pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

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Hatchling. That’s back when Wisconsin seemed like a decent place.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:04:14pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ewt Gingrich

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:05:18pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

The word NEWT only emerged in the 15th century when ‘an ewt’ was wrongly misdivided into ‘a newt’.

The opposite happened to “my nuncle”.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:06:19pm

re: #12 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And “a naranj” while we’re at it.

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:06:23pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sort of like when “a napron” became “an apron.” But backwards.

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:07:05pm

re: #12 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

We all know too much here.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:07:52pm

re: #7 Single-handed sailor

PM Trudeau you are a mensch. Thank you. :)

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:08:11pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

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The late Sen. William Proxmire used to make a regular show of his “Golden Fleece Awards” pointing out various Defense Department/MIC cost overruns/overpayments/waste-of-money projects, etc. ($600 screwdrivers and the like) - as examples of the lack of oversight or serious regulatory accounting in defense-related spending.

Sadly, while it caused some occasional embarrassments, Proxmire’s efforts didn’t work to curb any DoD/MIC fiscal abuses in the least.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:08:32pm

re: #8 PhillyPretzel

Information from Wiki:
en.wikipedia.org

“I was in Junior High, dickhead!”
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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:08:34pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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B.S.

Fake Newts

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:13:37pm

BREAKING: I still can’t get enough of this tweet.

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jeffreyw  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:13:44pm
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KGxvi  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:13:58pm

re: #17 Jay C

I’m remjnded of this:

The West Wing - Four Hundred Dollar Ashtray

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:14:29pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

[“I was in Junior High, dickhead!”]

For 13 years?

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KGxvi  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:18:08pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

The funny thing is, in every game but five card draw, you can almost always see the royal flush coming. That team trump continues to bluff when everyone else sees that Mueller has the stone cold nuts… well, they aren’t very good at any of this, are they?

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:19:01pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

lower cost of care due to a single massive insurance pool

That one fact that opponents of “socialized medicine” just can’t explain away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:20:37pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:22:16pm

re: #24 KGxvi

The funny thing is, in every game but five card draw, you can almost always see the royal flush coming. That team trump continues to bluff when everyone else sees that Mueller has the stone cold nuts… well, they aren’t very good at any of this, are they?

More chips than brains.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:23:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:24:43pm

re: #28 jaunte

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Be an egotistical asshole upset at being mocked by the black guy whose nationality you tried to deny.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:26:20pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

They believe their own BS. Also keep in mind that it was Mueller who got Gotti. (Sorry for the pun.)

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KGxvi  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:26:27pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

There are plenty of arguments to be made for a public option and/or Medicare for all (I favor the first because I think a lot of good can be done with the government as a market participant, and there’s a lot of people that work for insurance companies that would suddenly be out of work). And one of those is pointing out that it’s not as expensive as opponents make it sound. When you can point out that basically half the cost is an accounting error in the DoD, that should put things in perspective. We pay a lot of money for a lot of things. There’s a way we could pay for this as well

Likewise, there’s an argument about potential savings if the medical side of the VA, Medicaid, and Medicare are consolidated

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:27:12pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

More chips than brains.

Mueller bid 7 No Trump and Giuliani doubled.

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:28:40pm

From belowthread:

re: #308 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

re: #307 Jay C

I’m sure that “owning Piers Morgan” is an easy enough accomplishment even for a nonagenarian, but I can’t seem to find Dick Van Dyke’s actual response to Morgan’s derp (though I’m sure it’s a 3d-degree burn). What did he say?

Piers Morgan

@piersmorgan
* Dec 1, 2018
Imagine being called Dick Van Dyke in this PC-crazed era?
Poor guy.
He’ll have to change his name to Richard Van Non-Binary-Gender-Fluid.

View image on Twitter

Dick Van Dyke

@iammrvandy
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12K
4:21 AM - Dec 2, 2018
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Sorry to seem like a low-tech numpty (not on Twitter, so maybe it’s the same thing), but while I could access the numerous laudatory responses to Dick Van Dyke’s rejoinder to Piers Morgan - which must have been a beaut - I couldn’t see the actual comment (Morgan’s feed seems mostly about soccer). What did he (DVD) say?

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:30:51pm

re: #31 KGxvi

There are plenty of arguments to be made for a public option and/or Medicare for all (I favor the first because I think a lot of good can be done with the government as a market participant, and there’s a lot of people that work for insurance companies that would suddenly be out of work). And one of those is pointing out that it’s not as expensive as opponents make it sound. When you can point out that basically half the cost is an accounting error in the DoD, that should put things in perspective. We pay a lot of money for a lot of things. There’s a way we could pay for this as well

Likewise, there’s an argument about potential savings if the medical side of the VA, Medicaid, and Medicare are consolidated

Also, those saying universal health care of some sort or another will be totally unaffordable neglect the minor fact that you, your employer, and anyone else who might be currently paying for health insurance, won’t have to be paying those premiums. We could roll them right over into the cost of treating everyone and not lose much. Add in the cost for people who won’t be going to the ER because they have no insurance, and all the middleman costs to the insurance companies, and I’m guessing it won’t cost much more than we pay now.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:31:20pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

“It’s all going according to plan.”

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:32:04pm

re: #35 Belafon

“It’s all going according to plan.”

So Melania is QAnon?

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:32:39pm

re: #32 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mueller bid 7 No Trump and Giuliani doubled.

Were we playing bridge? I thought it was poker. No wonder nobody liked my deals.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:34:37pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:35:36pm

re: #33 Jay C

From belowthread:

Sorry to seem like a low-tech numpty (not on Twitter, so maybe it’s the same thing), but while I could access the numerous laudatory responses to Dick Van Dyke’s rejoinder to Piers Morgan - which must have been a beaut - I couldn’t see the actual comment (Morgan’s feed seems mostly about soccer). What did he (DVD) say?

Did a Google for Dick Van Dyke’s twitter…saw this. Found at: Mashable - Dick Van Dyke, 92, puts Piers Morgan in his place on Twitter

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:37:10pm

When Comey announced he was dropping his lawsuit to testify openly before Congress rather than in closed session, my first thought was naturally “What is the Freepers’ take on this?” It’s about what you’d expect, a few “Comey doesn’t know anything, why talk to him?” But the majority were going on about Trump triumphant and Comey has been slapped down.
At least when I looked, no one had noticed that Comey has supposedly gotten what he wanted. While the testimony will be in closed session, he gets a transcript within 24 hours which he can make public if he wishes. Which is pretty much what he asked for, except that the testimony won’t be in open session, but the transcript can be released.

Edit: I see there is now a new thread that mentions the arrangement.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:37:17pm

re: #39 ObserverArt

Did a Google for Dick Van Dyke’s twitter…saw this. Found at: Mashable - Dick Van Dyke, 92, puts Piers Morgan in his place on Twitter

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I imagine he’s tired of lameasses using his name to make the same lame joke.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:38:49pm

re: #33 Jay C

From belowthread:

Sorry to seem like a low-tech numpty (not on Twitter, so maybe it’s the same thing), but while I could access the numerous laudatory responses to Dick Van Dyke’s rejoinder to Piers Morgan - which must have been a beaut - I couldn’t see the actual comment (Morgan’s feed seems mostly about soccer). What did he (DVD) say?

He tweeted this

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:40:23pm

re: #32 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mueller bid 7 No Trump and Giuliani doubled.

Many long years ago, when I was playing bridge in a tournament (no, I’m not a good player as this story will show), someone did bid 7 of a suit and I didn’t double — dummy came down and declarer was shocked, because no one had doubled — since he discovered he was missing the ace in the trump suit.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:41:31pm

re: #33 Jay C

From belowthread:

Sorry to seem like a low-tech numpty (not on Twitter, so maybe it’s the same thing), but while I could access the numerous laudatory responses to Dick Van Dyke’s rejoinder to Piers Morgan - which must have been a beaut - I couldn’t see the actual comment (Morgan’s feed seems mostly about soccer). What did he (DVD) say?

DVD posted a pic of his Diagnosis: Murder character giving a “fucking really?” look.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:41:31pm

My present to you is Bohemian Chanukah. Just like Queen, but a little more Jewish.

Is this the eight night
we light with family
Recall with great pride
our escape from Greek Tryanny.

Six13 - Bohemian Chanukah (a Queen adaptation)

Watched it twice. Very Kosher, true to the original song and the spirit/history of the festival of lights.

Enjoy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:44:28pm

The whining about P.C. is especially stupid given the things we had to be P.C. about when they were younger and a lot of it is just common courtesy. Maybe Penis Morgan would understand that if people referred to him as that instead of Piers.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:46:17pm

In case you wanted a reason to support Beto’s run, Rahm Emmanuel says he shouldn’t run:

“If Beto O’Rourke wants to go and run for president, God bless him, he should put his hat in and make his case,” Emanuel said on MSNBC. “But, he lost. You don’t usually promote a loser to the top of party.”

The diary points out that Lincoln went from losing a senate race as a Congressman to president and compares Lincoln and O’Rourke:

Lincoln’s loss to Douglas made him a household name, same as Bet’s loss to Cruz (in what is the closest race in Texas in 40 years)

Lincoln was a unknown ONE term congressman, but his famous debates (Lincoln-Douglas Style Debates are a things) made him notorious. Beto’s townhalls and videos went viral (Bend the knee anyone?)

Douglas has not loved by the slavery supporting southern Democrats. Cruz, we all know, is not beloved by his GOP brethren. They both should’ve won without a blink, they didn’t.

Lincoln really wanted to be a senator, had he won he wouldn’t have run two years later in 1860. Same with Beto, these windows don’t appear in history just by chance and /or often.

But, as I started, if Rahm is opposed….

(OK, actually, I wouldn’t use Rahm’s statement to make any kind of decision, but I doubt Beto is the right kind of greasy for Rahm.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:48:35pm

re: #40 calochortus

..no one had noticed that Comey has supposedly gotten what he wanted. While the testimony will be in closed session, he gets a transcript within 24 hours which he can make public if he wishes. Which is pretty much what he asked for, except that the testimony won’t be in open session, but the transcript can be released.

Can we really count on the transcript being correct and complete? And not having essential text blacked out for “security” reasons? I assume that the Democrats on the committee will try to help out but I wouldn’t trust anyone in the GOP to do what is right.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:51:10pm

re: #48 Hecuba’s daughter

Can we really count on the transcript being correct and complete? And not having essential text blacked out for “security” reasons? I assume that the Democrats on the committee will try to help out but I wouldn’t trust anyone in the GOP to do what is right.

He also gets to do his own talking about the testimony afterwards. And right now, he’s still trusted more than the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:51:17pm

re: #47 Belafon

In case you wanted a reason to support Beto’s run, Rahm Emmanuel says he shouldn’t run:

The diary points out that Lincoln went from losing a senate race as a Congressman to president and compares Lincoln and O’Rourke:

But, as I started, if Rahm is opposed….

(OK, actually, I wouldn’t use Rahm’s statement to make any kind of decision, but I doubt Beto is the right kind of greasy for Rahm.)

I think Rahm is really missing even though he lost how excited people got for Beto around the nation for his candidacy.

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:51:26pm

re: #48 Hecuba’s daughter

Can we really count on the transcript being correct and complete? And not having essential text blacked out for “security” reasons? I assume that the Democrats on the committee will try to help out but I wouldn’t trust anyone in the GOP to do what is right.

I think if stuff was redacted, the Repubs couldn’t leak it without repercussions-and that was why Comey said he wanted to testify in open session, he hadn’t been happy with the leaks on his previous testimony. I would also think that when the Dems show up as the majority next month they could un-redact it.

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:56:05pm

re: #39 ObserverArt

re: #41 HappyWarrior

re: #42 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

re: #44 TedStriker

OK. Got it. Thanks.
(And yeah: 3rd-degree burn)

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:56:24pm

Anyhoo, I need to go get some stuff done,

BBL

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:57:36pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I think Rahm is really missing even though he lost how excited people got for Beto around the nation for his candidacy.

It’s pretty obvious that the type of presidential campaign you run is a pretty good indicator of the type of presidency you will have; even Trump’s has lived up to that standard. And Beto and his crew ran a great campaign.

But I don’t think Rahm is opposing Beto for losing. There are a bunch of new Democrats coming, and Rahm’s types aren’t going to be part of that group.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 12:58:44pm

re: #54 Belafon

It’s pretty obvious that the type of presidential campaign you run is a pretty good indicator of the type of presidency you will have; even Trump’s has lived up to that standard. And Beto and his crew ran a great campaign.

But I don’t think Rahm is opposing Beto for losing. There are a bunch of new Democrats coming, and Rahm’s types aren’t going to be part of that group.

Yep. Rahm is old news.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:01:10pm

It’s going to be interesting to see the aides the candidates bring on board. TBH I liked Clinton’s team much more two years ago than her team ten.

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:06:14pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Yep. Rahm is old news.

And he shows it by knocking Beto (3rd in that poll) and not saying anything about Bernie and Biden (1 & 2 or 2 & 1).

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can't think of a decent username  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:07:33pm

re: #48 Hecuba’s daughter

Can we really count on the transcript being correct and complete? And not having essential text blacked out for “security” reasons? I assume that the Democrats on the committee will try to help out but I wouldn’t trust anyone in the GOP to do what is right.

I keep wondering why someone doesn’t just take in a tape recorder, tape the whole thing, then release the full audio immediately afterwards.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:10:55pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

And he shows it by knocking Beto (3rd in that poll) and not saying anything about Bernie and Biden (1 & 2 or 2 & 1).

I really like Biden but I’m hoping it’s not him. Bernie goes without saying. I explained nicely to my Bernie fan brother why Bernie is problematic today. Hopefully he gets it.

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ThomasLite  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:12:19pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

And he shows it by knocking Beto (3rd in that poll) and not saying anything about Bernie and Biden (1 & 2 or 2 & 1).

To be fair though, you kind of know Bernie will mess things up his usual way and Biden isn’t going to run. O’Rourke is kind of the first on that list who actually might get anywhere.

Not really up to speed on Emmanuel TBH so I’ll refrain from further comment, but I can see some justification for going after o’Rourke specifically.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:13:03pm

I made a bet with an RW friend of mine the other day: If Trump gets exonerated on Russia I have to buy him dinner.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:14:50pm

re: #60 ThomasLite

To be fair though, you kind of know Bernie will mess things up his usual way and Biden isn’t going to run. O’Rourke is kind of the first on that list who actually might get anywhere.

Not really up to speed on Emmanuel TBH so I’ll refrain from further comment, but I can see some justification for going after o’Rourke specifically.

I wouldn’t completely write off a Biden candidacy but as much as I like the man, I think people miss that he’s not a strong ticket topper. He’s best as a complimentary piece as he was to Biden. I do think in his younger years he would have made a compelling candidate oddly enough to run against HW Bush but the plagiarism scandal hurt him.

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:16:21pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

I really like Biden but I’m hoping it’s not him. Bernie goes without saying. I explained nicely to my Bernie fan brother why Bernie is problematic today. Hopefully he gets it.

If Rahm wants to complain about losers who may want to run for the Democratic nomination for presidential candidate, why did he leave out the two who lost their campaigns for that very position, Biden and Bernie? The only acceptable excuse is if he comes out for Hillary real soon.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:17:13pm

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

I made a bet with an RW friend of mine the other day: If Trump gets exonerated on Russia I have to buy him dinner.

How did you define exonerated? Want to make sure that it’s from Mueller’s full evaluation and not some abbreviated report that is forced to overlook certain illegalities. Or what if Mueller ignores any criminality prior to Trump’s official announcement of his run for office?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:17:40pm

I’m just not thrilled at the idea of a seventy plus year old white guy as our ticket topper. Maybe if you pair Biden with a younger PoC or woman but I just think two older white guys going at it would depress turnout and we do our best as Democrats with fresh people I.e. JFK, Carter, Clinton, & Obama.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:17:41pm

re: #60 ThomasLite

To be fair though, you kind of know Bernie will mess things up his usual way and Biden isn’t going to run. O’Rourke is kind of the first on that list who actually might get anywhere.

Not really up to speed on Emmanuel TBH so I’ll refrain from further comment, but I can see some justification for going after o’Rourke specifically.

If I had to guess, Emmanuel is poo-pooing Beto because he sees him as a rival for 2020 or 2024 (even though, from I’ve been able to gather, Emmanuel really hasn’t been very good as mayor of Chicago, a job I’m sure he saw as a step towards the WH).

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:18:18pm

re: #60 ThomasLite

…but I can see some justification for going after o’Rourke specifically.

Specifically?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:18:47pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

If Rahm wants to complain about losers who may want to run for the Democratic nomination for presidential candidate, why did he leave out the two who lost their campaigns for that very position, Biden and Bernie? The only acceptable excuse is if he comes out for Hillary real soon.

Because people like Beto definitely do threaten the old order even if they’re at opposite wings of the party.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:19:37pm

re: #66 TedStriker

If I had to guess, Emmanuel is poo-pooing Beto because he sees him as a rival for 2020 or 2024 (even though, from I’ve been able to gather, Emmanuel really hasn’t been very good as mayor of Chicago, a job I’m sure he saw as a step towards the WH).

Rahm shouldn’t even consider running in 2020 or 24. I don’t know anyone who actually likes him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:21:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:21:48pm

There’s a new generation of Dems that were elected and shaped by Bush II, Obama, & now Trump I’m contrast with the old ones elected under Reagan, Bush I, & Clinton. Some of this is age but some approach too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:22:52pm

re: #66 TedStriker

If I had to guess, Emmanuel is poo-pooing Beto because he sees him as a rival for 2020 or 2024 (even though, from I’ve been able to gather, Emmanuel really hasn’t been very good as mayor of Chicago, a job I’m sure he saw as a step towards the WH).

I would be really surprised if Rahm ever had any national ambitions. Maybe at one time he was thinking of a Senate seat, but other than that I cannot imagine his interest in serving, other than on someone’s staff.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:24:20pm

I mean obviously Rahm is free to run if wants to but what has he done as Chicago’s mayor? You think the Chicago references are annoying now? Rahm is honestly a better behind the scenes operator than elected official. He’s not unintelligent but he’s not the kind of person that will excite much either.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:24:30pm

re: #72 Hecuba’s daughter

I would be really surprised if Rahm ever had any national ambitions. Maybe at one time he was thinking of a Senate seat, but other than that I cannot imagine his interest in serving, other than on someone’s staff.

Well, if Emmanuel had any national ambitions, I’d think they’re pretty much toast at this point; Chicagoans, please correct me if I’m wrong about Emmanuel’s performance as Chicago mayor.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:27:05pm

If there’s a mayor I like, it’s Garcetti of LA but I think I’d consider him as a VP before president at this point though he mayors a city with a populace larger than several states.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:29:14pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:33:42pm

re: #74 TedStriker

Well, if Emmanuel had any national ambitions, I’d think they’re pretty much toast at this point.

The most likely reason for Rahm’s criticism of Beto is that he favors another candidate — such as Tammy Duckworth — and he is trying to clear the path to help his preferred candidate. He may already be working behind the scenes for that person.

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Dizzy  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:33:46pm
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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:35:09pm

re: #77 Hecuba’s daughter

The most likely reason for Rahm’s criticism of Beto is that he favors another candidate — such as Tammy Duckworth — and he is trying to clear the path to help his preferred candidate. He may already be working behind the scenes for that person.

Just spitballing here, but a Duckworth/O’Rourke ticket would be killer bee.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:35:41pm

Even though it is cloudy here in Philly the sun has set and the virtual menorah is lit. Happy Chanukah to all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:36:22pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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It’s a good piece. I have said my praises of HW Bush but there’s a lot to criticize too and Will did a great job pointing it out. And I agree with the origins being with Reagan’s death. I disliked Reagan’s faults being whitewashed by a media-Washington consensus that was unimpacted by the negative parts of his legacy just like we see here.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:41:31pm

re: #79 TedStriker

Just spitballing here, but a Duckworth/O’Rourke ticket would be killer bee.

It would.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:44:54pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

If there’s a mayor I like, it’s Garcetti of LA but I think I’d consider him as a VP before president at this point though he mayors a city with a populace larger than several states.

No.

He’s letting gentrification run wild throughout LA.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:47:40pm

A reminder.
If you’re planning on having any interaction with a federal agency this coming week, probably don’t schedule it on Wednesday. Except maybe the Post Office
Also, the NYSE and Nasdaq will both be closed for the day

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:47:58pm
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:48:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:49:13pm

My grandmother kept one of my first editorializing writings that I wrote in 2004 after Reagan died imploring Reagan to be kept off currency. Perhaps it was in poor timing since the man had just died after suffering from Alzheimer’s but I did remember Reagan’s faults and the many people that never got to spend their final days comfortable like he did and I admit I was a little resentful of that he lived so long while I never knew my own grandfather whose life of work at the NLRB of using government as a fair arbitrator between labor and management was destroyed by the Reaganites imo. So yeah I totally don’t have a problem with people being critical of the deceased’s legacy. I don’t hate HW Bush but I certainly do a lot he did do too. Should clarify I was 17 and full of a lot of anger at the Bush administration too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:49:33pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

No.

He’s letting gentrification run wild throughout LA.

Ah okay. No bueno.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:50:27pm

re: #79 TedStriker

Just spitballing here, but a Duckworth/O’Rourke ticket would be killer bee.

“Look at those coastal elites -“
“One’s from Texas, the other is from Illinois. And how elite is having your legs blown off?”

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:53:03pm

re: #89 Belafon

“Look at those coastal elites -“
“One’s from Texas, the other is from Illinois. And how elite is having your legs blown off?

Pretty fucking elite…just sayin’.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:53:15pm

re: #89 Belafon

“Look at those coastal elites -“
“One’s from Texas, the other is from Illinois. And how elite is having your legs blown off?”

The coastal elite one is funny since R candidates in my lifetime have been nothing but coastal elites and yes I include Reagan and McCain in that top. Dole exempted btw. But Dole definitely was part of the old boys crowd even though he wasn’t old money in 1996.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:56:10pm

re: #33 Jay C

From belowthread:

Sorry to seem like a low-tech numpty (not on Twitter, so maybe it’s the same thing), but while I could access the numerous laudatory responses to Dick Van Dyke’s rejoinder to Piers Morgan - which must have been a beaut - I couldn’t see the actual comment (Morgan’s feed seems mostly about soccer). What did he (DVD) say?

Didn’t say anything, just a pic of himself with the look of “you must be fucking kidding me” on his face.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:57:29pm

Oh and another thing but with the exemption of Al Gore, the Dem candidates have been self made too. Clinton wasn’t poor but she wasn’t born with a silver spoon like so many.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:57:30pm

re: #90 TedStriker

Level 10 Badass, that is all.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:58:03pm

I didn’t know this but it makes sense.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 1:59:10pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

I didn’t know this but it makes sense.

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I’m not a fan of nationalist parties but I love the SNP.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:00:23pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

I didn’t know this but it makes sense.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:01:22pm

The Brits and us shot ourselves in the foot over nationalist bs.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:04:08pm

At least our main opposition is sane. Corbyn is as problematic as May and the Tories.

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:04:31pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

No.

He’s letting gentrification run wild throughout LA.

This doesn’t actually bother me; now that there’s good public transportation into and throughout the city, there’s tons of accessible affordable housing within carless commuter range. Poor and middle income people can still fully participate in the economy.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:05:33pm

re: #79 TedStriker

Just spitballing here, but a Duckworth/O’Rourke ticket would be killer bee.

I keep pushing for Duckworth for many reasons, but the most comical is that Trump (who dodged the draft) would try to argue that she’s ineligible because she was born in Thailand, while Ted Cruz would have to support her eligibility because he too was born outside the US to an American citizen. Anyway I’d like to see us once and for all establish that “natural born citizen” simply means “citizen at birth.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:07:36pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

I keep pushing for Duckworth for many reasons, but the most comical is that Trump (who dodged the draft) would try to argue that she’s ineligible because she was born in Thailand, while Ted Cruz would have to support her eligibility because he too was born outside the US to an American citizen. Anyway I’d like to see us once and for all establish that “natural born” simply means “citizen at birth.”

Right. The only thing about Tammy is I don’t know what her big priorities would be. Perhaps I should look at what committees she’s on and her past record on introducing legislation.

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:12:07pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

I keep pushing for Duckworth for many reasons, but the most comical is that Trump (who dodged the draft) would try to argue that she’s ineligible because she was born in Thailand, while Ted Cruz would have to support her eligibility because he too was born outside the US to an American citizen. Anyway I’d like to see us once and for all establish that “natural born citizen” simply means “citizen at birth.”

Her great-great-great whatevs (on her father’s side) fought in the Revolutionary War.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:12:46pm

re: #103 sagehen

Her great-great-great whatevs (on her father’s side) fought in the Revolutionary War.

Something Dickhead Mark Kirk belittled.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:13:38pm

But yes Tammy’s family has generations of service to our country and is something she should be proud of.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:16:21pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Something Dickhead Mark Kirk belittled.

Didn’t Kirk say something like “which Revolutionary War?” or something like that?

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:18:14pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

The Brits and us shot ourselves in the foot over nationalist bs.

Except (on the economic level), the US is a vastly bigger economic player on the world stage with a great deal less to lose by fucking up its major international trade agreements (though Trump is trying his best to compete).

But in the Brexit thing taken as a whole, the purely “economic” aspects have always been overshadowed by “social” issues, i.e., the age-old British insularity, xenophobia and class-antagonism which felt too “challenged” by “European” integration. All wrapped up in nice patriotic tropes about “sovereignty”, of course: but - at least AFAICT -
boiling down to “chuck the bloody foreigners out” and “we’ll make our own rules”: better “free” and completely Anglophone, no matter how poor they get. And of course, most of the fervent Brexiteers will assume as a matter of faith that “they” and “poor” will ALWAYS apply to Someone Else.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:19:18pm

re: #106 TedStriker

Didn’t Kirk say something like “which Revolutionary War?” or something like that?

“I’d forgotten your ancestors came all the way from Thailand to serve George Washington.” Dunno if he ever apologized or the stroke he had may have had a role but it was an ugly comment.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:20:02pm

re: #106 TedStriker

Didn’t Kirk say something like “which Revolutionary War?” or something like that?

He tried to mock her claim in a debate by saying, “I had forgotten that your parents came all the way from Thailand to serve George Washington.” He’s a racist dumbfuck.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:21:06pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Dunno if he ever apologized or the stroke he had may have had a role but it was an ugly comment.

He apologized but only after being absolutely roasted alive.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:21:25pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

The Brits and us shot ourselves in the foot over nationalist bs.

And other countries are following our lead.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:21:27pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

He tried to mock her claim in a debate by saying, “I had forgotten that your parents came all the way from Thailand to serve George Washington.” He’s a racist dumbfuck.

I knew he was done the minute he said that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:21:54pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

He apologized but only after being absolutely roasted alive.

As he should have been. Bigoted shit head.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:22:12pm

Update on the Muskö incident:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:22:19pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

And other countries are following our lead.

Brazil comes to mind.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:26:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:29:29pm

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

HAPPY HANUKKAH
1st Light

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Happy Hanukkah VB and all my Jewish friends here on LGF. Save some latkes for the rest of us!

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:31:09pm

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

Multiple Menorahs. Beautiful. Happy Hanukkah VB and Family. :)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:31:18pm

Speaking of Duckworth:

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:33:06pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Speaking of Duckworth:

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That’s one of his best legacies to me too. I hope she runs. She’s someone I’d be proud to call our President.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:34:37pm

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

HAPPY HANUKKAH
1st Light

Happy Hanukkah from the fish household!

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:37:12pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Happy Hanukkah VB and all my Jewish friends here on LGF. Save some latkes for the rest of us!

Hell no. I’m eating all of them.

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:39:15pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

That’s one of his best legacies to me too. I hope she runs. She’s someone I’d be proud to call our President.

The Clean Air Act of 1990 was pretty good too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:39:53pm

re: #122 sagehen

Hell no. I’m eating all of them.

Aw you’re no fun! When I was visiting family in Slovakia this summer, we had homemade potato pancakes. So good!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:40:29pm

re: #123 sagehen

The Clean Air Act of 1990 was pretty good too.

It was.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:41:28pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

That’s one of his best legacies to me too. I hope she runs. She’s someone I’d be proud to call our President.

Duckworth’s daughters will be 2 and 4 years old in ‘20 (she is the first US Senator to give birth while in office). That should be worth north of a million votes. After all, even hard-core Democrats were ready to vote for Piper and Trig Palin in ‘08. Alas, they were not the ones running.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:42:15pm

re: #126 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Duckworth’s daughters will be 2 and 4 years old in ‘20 (she is the first US Senator to give birth while in office). That should be worth north of a million votes. After all, even hard-core Democrats were ready to vote for Piper and Trig Palin in ‘08. Alas, they were not the ones running.

That’s right.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:43:31pm

Potato pancakes:
Plain
With apple sauce
With ketchup
With sour cream.

I vote apple sauce.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:44:31pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Plain. I love potatoes.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:45:05pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Potato pancakes:
Plain
With apple sauce
With ketchup
With sour cream.

I vote apple sauce.

Gravy

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CleverToad  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:46:40pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Potato pancakes:
Plain
With apple sauce
With ketchup
With sour cream.

I vote apple sauce.

Sour cream.
Now I’m hungry, dang it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:46:55pm

Sorry to disappoint you all, we’re having Chinese.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:49:16pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Sorry to disappoint you all, we’re having Chinese.

Ah! A fine choice

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:50:34pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:51:15pm

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

HAPPY HANUKKAH
1st Light

Wow. (Checks calendar)

Seems like it was only a few days ago you lit the first candle for last year.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:53:53pm

re: #135 ObserverArt

Wow. (Checks calendar)

Seems like it was only a few days ago you lit the first candle for last year.

And, yet, in that time, Trump’s managed to throw four year’s worth of tantrums.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:54:14pm

re: #136 Belafon

And, yet, in that time, Trump’s managed to throw four year’s worth of tantrums.

Eight.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:57:50pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:58:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 2:59:52pm

Didn’t Trumps account even Tweet out some lame “Happy Hanukkah” post or is he completely ignoring it?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:00:15pm

Yeah there is one but I am pretty sure he didn’t write it himself:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:02:49pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:04:51pm

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah there is one but I am pretty sure he didn’t write it himself:

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Yeah, no damn way he wrote that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:05:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:05:29pm

re: #142 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yes Bernie. Not even close. Some said Warren but I think she’s rated just right given her current polling.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:05:48pm

I swear to God if Bernie screws us in 2020 again I am going to scream. We can NOT afford to hand Trump 4 more years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:07:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:09:43pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

I swear to God if Bernie screws us in 2020 again I am going to scream. We can NOT afford to hand Trump 4 more years.

Hoping he’s done before Iowa. I want him to have to defend his past NRA endorsements and getting praise from Steve King on immigration.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:15:36pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Hoping he’s done before Iowa. I want him to have to defend his past NRA endorsements and getting praise from Steve King on immigration.

I’m hoping Sanders is done at the end of next summer, if not sooner.

Everyone needs to send messages to his campaign asking that he not run and get behind a younger Democrat and work with them on Bernie-nomics if need be.

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:15:37pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

I swear to God if Bernie screws us in 2020 again I am going to scream. We can NOT afford to hand Trump 4 more years.

the only way bernie screws us is if we as a party let him

- he’s not a member of the democratic party, unless he joins
- it’s entirely the party’s fault for letting a nonmember in the door and participate as if they are a member
- it’s a party primary, not a ‘progressive’ one

- in the senate he can caucus with who he wants

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:19:39pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Sorry to disappoint you all, we’re having Chinese.

“Jews know about two things: suffering and where to find really good Chinese food”

—Mark Linn-Baker in My Favorite Year

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:20:42pm

re: #130 Single-handed sailor

Gravy

heathen

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:21:09pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Sorry to disappoint you all, we’re having Chinese.

So traditional Jewish holiday cuisine, then? 😉

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:21:22pm

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:22:32pm

re: #151 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Jews know about two things: suffering and where to find really good Chinese food”

—Mark Linn-Baker in My Favorite Year

a great underrated little movie

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:24:12pm

aged well

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:24:14pm

A very interesting semi-revisionist take from Forbes:
Pastors, Not Politicians, Turned Dixie Republican

Crediting the Nixon campaign with the flight of Southern conservatives from the Democratic Party dismisses the role Southerners themselves played in that transformation. In fact, Republicans had very little organizational infrastructure on the ground in the South before 1980, and never quite figured out how to build a persuasive appeal to voters there. Every cynical strategy cooked up in a Washington boardroom withered under local conditions. The flight of the Dixiecrats was ultimately conceived, planned, and executed by Southerners themselves, largely independent of, and sometimes at odds with, existing Republican leadership. It was a move that had less to do with politicos than with pastors.

Southern churches, warped by generations of theological evolution necessary to accommodate slavery and segregation, were all too willing to offer their political assistance to a white nationalist program. Southern religious institutions would lead a wave of political activism that helped keep white nationalism alive inside an increasingly unfriendly national climate. Forget about Goldwater, Nixon or Reagan. No one played as much of a role in turning the South red as the leaders of the Southern Baptist Church.

Having been a southern Republican, and heavily exposed to Southern Baptist dogma in those times, I think this makes sense. It is certainly consistent with the real history as it played out, and continues to play out, at state and local levels.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:25:04pm

re: #157 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A very interesting semi-revisionist take from Forbes:
Pastors, Not Politicians, Turned Dixie Republican

Having been a southern Republican, and heavily exposed to Southern Baptist dogma in those times, I think this makes sense. It is certainly consistent with the real history as it played out, and continues to play out, at state and local levels.

Franklin Graham. Billy I meant sorry.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:27:34pm

re: #154 GlutenFreeJesus

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Problem solved, Christmas spending cut for next year.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:29:53pm

re: #157 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Yes, and the motivation was anti-Black racism.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:30:38pm

Man, the Tour de France won’t be the same. I wonder who will partner with Phil Liggett now

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:32:23pm

i ran somewhere between 21 and 22 miles early this morning
one of the best long runs i have ever had
well executed and really satisfying

9 hours later and i feel surprisingly great

beer with dinner
(leftover enchiladas made with leftover thanksgiving turkey)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:38:28pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:39:56pm

re: #17 Jay C

The late Sen. William Proxmire used to make a regular show of his “Golden Fleece Awards” pointing out various Defense Department/MIC cost overruns/overpayments/waste-of-money projects, etc. ($600 screwdrivers and the like) - as examples of the lack of oversight or serious regulatory accounting in defense-related spending.

Sadly, while it caused some occasional embarrassments, Proxmire’s efforts didn’t work to curb any DoD/MIC fiscal abuses in the least.

In the rest of the world’s militaries they say, “In America there is enough graft for everybody.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:40:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:41:31pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not a lot of introspection there by someone who likely supported a lot of parts of the Trump agenda. Trump’s personality matters but so do policy and these now out of office Republicans don’t get that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:44:16pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:46:38pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’re all gonna die!

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:46:39pm

re: #22 KGxvi

I’m remembering the story of the expensive, very expensive, coffee machines they had in the P-3 Orions. Said coffee maker was designed to handle forces of 25Gs.

As one wag put it, “So if one of them crashed there would be hot coffee waiting for those who came to pick up the pieces,”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:47:02pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is that the most Washington thing ever, or what?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:49:54pm

re: #169 Romantic Heretic

I’m remembering the story of the expensive, very expensive, coffee machines they had in the P-3 Orions. Said coffee maker was designed to handle forces of 25Gs.

As one wag put it, “So if one of them crashed there would be hot coffee waiting for those who came to pick up the pieces,”

But, the handles would be broken. Apparently rendering them unusable

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:50:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:52:13pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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this is what the people are protesting:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:53:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:55:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:55:45pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Reddi whip Santa is white./.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:55:54pm
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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:56:34pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I dunno: Nate Silver studies this stuff for a living, and I’m Just Some Guy On The Internet: but I think he’s only half-right/wrong here. Yes, issues/policy are important - especially healthcare and taxes, on which Republicans have firmly planted themselves on the wrong side of public sentiment, in general. But one can’t escape the fact that their Party’s nominal “leader” - the President - is both incompetent doofus and dishonest grifter - and that his “base” of red-hat Deplorables isn’t likely - after four years of the Trump Admin’s near-criminal mismanagement of the government* - to be enough (one hopes) to push a national election their way.
F*ck ‘em in any case…..

* Though it’s Trump, it may actually be “criminal”

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:57:27pm

re: #177 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Coverage for $75.00? Color me skeptical.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:57:29pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:58:01pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is what the people are protesting:

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Right at California Avenue and Alaska Street. That’s the main junction in West Seattle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:58:33pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:58:43pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

re: #180 bd(soros funded)

The Philadelphia Eagles? They are not doing so well this year.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:58:50pm

re: #178 Jay C

I dunno: Nate Silver studies this stuff for a living, and I’m Just Some Guy On The Internet: but I think he’s only half-right/wrong here. Yes, issues/policy are important - especially healthcare and taxes, on which Republicans have firmly planted themselves on the wrong side of public sentiment, in general. But one can’t escape the fact that their Party’s nominal “leader” - the President - is both incompetent doofus and dishonest grifter - and that his “base” of red-hat Deplorables isn’t likely - after four years of the Trump Admin’s near-criminal mismanagement of the government* - to be enough (one hopes) to push a national election their way.
F*ck ‘em in any case…..

* Though it’s Trump, it may actually be “criminal”

Ah! But that’s what I mean. It’s a little of both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 3:59:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:00:06pm

re: #183 PhillyPretzel

The Philadelphia Eagles? They are not doing so well this year.

The Don Henley kind. Who I honestly like but can see why people aren’t big fans but soft spot for me since my Dad saw em in Aspen before they got big.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:00:12pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

That menorah is beautiful.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:03:11pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

I didn’t know they had chocolate and pumpkin flavored Reddi Wip

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:03:21pm

Attention VB!

DETROIT (AP) — Michigan clears a threshold this week as the first state in the Midwest to allow marijuana for more than just medical purposes. In the Nov. 6 election, voters by a wide margin endorsed recreational use by adults who are at least 21. The move comes 10 years after voters approved marijuana to alleviate the effects of certain illnesses. Many supporters believe that decade-long experience, as well as similar legalization efforts in other states, led to victory at the ballot box.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:05:13pm

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I didn’t know they had chocolate and pumpkin flavored Reddi Wip

//

Actually they do—Cool Whip too. I’ve been getting online coupons from Safeway for pumpkin-spice flavored versions and gagging a little….

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prairiefire  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:07:11pm

Apparently there’s a football game on! Go Chiefs!

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:07:12pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

I don’t hate the fucking Eagles, man. Sure, they were a bit insufferable at times, but they did some damned good work too.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 2, 2018

Hotel California may have been their magnum opus (and there are a few songs beside the eponymous track that I like, such as “Wasted Time” and “Pretty Maids All in a Row”), but, for an Eagles album that I love from beginning to end, it’s Desperado for me.

There’s just not a bad song on that album.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:07:40pm

Here’s a glimpse of how people in China have become enamored of French wine. My former student Anna Peng, who was a dance major in college, got a Master’s in Business Management in Montpellier, France, then got a marketing job with a wine import company in Beijing. Now she’s studying oenology to boost her expertise and resume.

Instagram

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:09:22pm

re: #192 TedStriker

Hotel California may have been their magnum opus (and there are a few songs beside the eponymous track that I like, such as “Wasted Time” and “Pretty Maids All in a Row”), but, for an Eagles album that I love from beginning to end, it’s Desperado for me.

Always liked Peaceful Easy Feeling and Lyin Eyes.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:09:52pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:10:01pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Attention VB!

I hope Ohio is forced to legalize because of Michigan. There is push here…and fuckin’ John Boehner is getting investors lined up with his big growers convention or whatever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:12:19pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:14:11pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

I hope Ohio is forced to legalize because of Michigan. There is push here…and fuckin’ John Boehner is getting investors lined up with his big growers convention or whatever.

Maybe all the red states will legalize pot and then slap on a drug test for voting.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:17:25pm

re: #198 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Maybe all the red states will legalize pot and then slap on a drug test for voting.

I would hope that legalizing may lighten the red staters up so to speak haha.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:18:22pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:21:52pm

Still most of a month to go, but, I think we may have hit “Peak 2018”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:22:44pm

re: #201 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Still most of a month to got, but, I think we may have hit “Peak 2018”

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See with Trump, we’d know it was a clone immediately because the clone would be more coherent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:26:05pm

good grief

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:27:02pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Petulant toddler.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:31:08pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Fucking asshole. Making us all look like idiots the world over.

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William Lewis  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:31:57pm

re: #192 TedStriker

Hotel California may have been their magnum opus (and there are a few songs beside the eponymous track that I like, such as “Wasted Time” and “Pretty Maids All in a Row”), but, for an Eagles album that I love from beginning to end, it’s Desperado for me.

There’s just not a bad song on that album.

There was a lot of stuff from that period that I grew up hearing and a lot of Eagles was in that. If their songs come on the radio, I sing along.

But of the music from that era that I will actually willingly sit down and listen to? Fleetwood Mac “Rumors” & Side A of “Boston” Those still remain fresh to me all these years later. I can listen to a lot of the rest and even enjoy it but for them I’ll need the same kind of palate cleanser I did then - Patti Smith, The Clash, Blue Oyster Cult, The Who, The Ramones, The Replacements, Husker Du, Television and so on.

But I put on Rumors the other night and from Second Hand News through The Chain to Gold Dust Woman that was as near to pop perfection as I know boiling out of an insane situation. Only “London Calling” and “Who’s Next” come close.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:32:27pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What it really says is the GOP has no fucking clue how they’re gonna salvage 2020 at this point. Unlike 2004 with Dubya, they can’t count on an improving economy to bouy his chances, nor can they sell him as a “war-time president” whose removal from office would disrupt the war effort. So they’re effectively betting on the DNC so badly stepping on their dick that they rip the fucker off.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:32:47pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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WTH is going on with the tiny feet? That’s got to be manipulated or result of some wide-angle lens distortion.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:33:20pm

re: #100 sagehen

This doesn’t actually bother me; now that there’s good public transportation into and throughout the city, there’s tons of accessible affordable housing within carless commuter range. Poor and middle income people can still fully participate in the economy.

Really?

Not here in Koreatown as a whole bunch of older buildings are torn down replaced by luxury apartments only 1/4 to 1/3 occupied because the rents are at least double or more likely triple of the housing they replaced.

Homelessness is spiraling out of control here. Families are being evicted with nowhere to go and tents are popping up all over because they can’t scrape a security deposit (which is generally equal to 3 months of extorted rent) together.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:33:29pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What’s that popping noise? Oh, it’s wingnut heads exploding like popcorn kernels.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:33:47pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

What it really says is the GOP has no fucking clue how they’re gonna salvage 2020 at this point. Unlike 2004 with Dubya, they can’t count on an improving economy to bouy his chances, nor can they sell him as a “war-time president” whose removal from office would disrupt the war effort. So they’re effectively betting on the DNC so badly stepping on their dick that they rip the fucker off.

He’s going to think he can run against HRC again in 2020 and it’s not going to work. Funnily enough I see Sanders running into the same problem.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:34:03pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:34:45pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Damned coastal elites!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:34:47pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:34:56pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

What it really says is the GOP has no fucking clue how they’re gonna salvage 2020 at this point. Unlike 2004 with Dubya, they can’t count on an improving economy to bouy his chances, nor can they sell him as a “war-time president” whose removal from office would disrupt the war effort. So they’re effectively betting on the DNC so badly stepping on their dick that they rip the fucker off.

Hey!! We can still do “war-time president”.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:35:33pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

Damned coastal elites!

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A real Merican would be having wonder bread, ‘merican cheese, and bologna.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:35:34pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Hey!! We can still do “war-time president”.

We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:36:52pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

A real Merican would be having wonder bread, ‘merican cheese, and bologna.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, if that’s what you want…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:37:33pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

What it really says is the GOP has no fucking clue how they’re gonna salvage 2020 at this point. Unlike 2004 with Dubya, they can’t count on an improving economy to bouy his chances, nor can they sell him as a “war-time president” whose removal from office would disrupt the war effort. So they’re effectively betting on the DNC so badly stepping on their dick that they rip the fucker off.

Either that or they’ll start dropping bombs on Iran to make Trump a wartime President.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:38:31pm

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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He woudn’t be censured with this GOP. There’s a new book out I saw a review on this morning that argues that Trump is a lot like McCarthy with his attacks and I don’t think that’s far off.

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:39:12pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

A real Merican would be having wonder bread, ‘merican cheese, and bologna.

Baloney. I think bologna is Italian.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:39:14pm

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

Either that or they’ll start dropping bombs on Iran to make Trump a wartime President.

I would think that after how Iraq was handled that would have the exact opposite effect as it’s intended because as bad as the Bush administration handled Iraq’s aftermath, this would be even worse.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:39:32pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

Baloney. I think bologna is Italian.

True, true.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:42:33pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

Sunday afternoon snack: slice of Brioche, chunk of Havarti cheese, Kalamata olives. Very legal and very cool.

“Let them eat brioche.” Which is the actual quote….

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:43:23pm
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:43:47pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:43:53pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I would think that after how Iraq was handled that would have the exact opposite effect as it’s intended because as bad as the Bush administration handled Iraq’s aftermath, this would be even worse.

I agree, but do you really think the GOP has that kind of foresight?

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:43:59pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

Baloney. I think bologna is Italian.

And a buck or more extra a pound.

We were so poor we had baloney because we couldn’t afford bolonga.

Or, the I-talian bread.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:44:44pm

re: #226 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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Yes. He was a great Russian patriot.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:44:49pm

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

Either that or they’ll start dropping bombs on Iran to make Trump a wartime President.

Thing is, the country has no stomach for another war. Especially one where there would be no quick and easy win, but another prolonged slog where we spent months or years putting down an insurgency. And unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, we’d be conducting an air campaign against a fairly modern and competent air defense network, which would mean either conducting a prolonged campaign to establish air dominance or conducting a ground invasion where we had not achieved such. Either option would be costly in men and materiel.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:45:00pm

re: #228 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree, but do you really think the GOP has that kind of foresight?

True.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:45:32pm

re: #227 Single-handed sailor

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“Jordan Peterson tickets, babe!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:45:56pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

What it really says is the GOP has no fucking clue how they’re gonna salvage 2020 at this point. Unlike 2004 with Dubya, they can’t count on an improving economy to bouy his chances, nor can they sell him as a “war-time president” whose removal from office would disrupt the war effort. So they’re effectively betting on the DNC so badly stepping on their dick that they rip the fucker off.

Two words—VOTER SUPPRESSION.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:47:12pm

re: #227 Single-handed sailor

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“Horizontal stripes? Really?”

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:47:42pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

I hope Ohio is forced to legalize because of Michigan. There is push here…and fuckin’ John Boehner is getting investors lined up with his big growers convention or whatever.

There is talk of a possible medicinal growing operation going in a few miles down the road from me in an industrial park area. I may see if they need some help. It is all still in the talk stage. PA passed medicinal MJ and have been kinda dragging their feet about implementing it fully since.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:47:47pm

re: #234 Joe Bacon 🌹

Two words—VOTER SUPPRESSION.

Was so obvious this time around that a Republican may lose because he so badly packed the box that even his fellow Republicans have to admit his shit stinks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:49:25pm

Just shut the fuck up Maggie. It’s not fun!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:50:08pm

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Just shut the fuck up Maggie. It’s not fun!

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Spoken by someone woefully out of touch. Not you obviously VB but Maggie, nothing fun about this administration.

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:50:32pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

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Are you referring to the music Eagles or the football Eagles?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:51:11pm

re: #234 Joe Bacon 🌹

Two words—VOTER SUPPRESSION.

The votes will still build up among the states that have actual…you know…populations. If he goes down worse than Landon, and they still try to pull this “Electoral College” crapola, there’s going to be an explosion in this country, and about fucking time.

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:51:28pm

I love the Eagles and I don’t care who knows. So there. :D

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:51:30pm

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Just shut the fuck up Maggie. It’s not fun!

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I wonder if she’s ever stopped and thought for a second what she intends to do after Donny is gone back to Mar-A-Lago. Because she is not going to enjoy the same sort of access with the next president that she has working as the fluffer for the Trump family, and may even be singled out by them as someone to avoid speaking to.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:52:35pm

re: #226 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

When Trump dies, will you be able to say anything positive or respectful about him?

—-I don’t care, do you?
—Heaven, Hell—both sides have good souls.

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:53:16pm

re: #178 Jay C

I dunno: Nate Silver studies this stuff for a living, and I’m Just Some Guy On The Internet: but I think he’s only half-right/wrong here. Yes, issues/policy are important - especially healthcare and taxes, on which Republicans have firmly planted themselves on the wrong side of public sentiment, in general. But one can’t escape the fact that their Party’s nominal “leader” - the President - is both incompetent doofus and dishonest grifter

He’s absolutely right. For Californians and New Yorkers wealthy enough to itemize deductions, their state and local taxes are their single biggest deduction. And losing that deduction costs them far more than reducing the top bracket saves them.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:53:54pm

re: #226 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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“I did not attend his funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:54:52pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

I wonder if she’s ever stopped and thought for a second what she intends to do after Donny is gone back to Mar-A-Lago. Because she is not going to enjoy the same sort of access with the next president that she has working as the fluffer for the Trump family, and may even be singled out by them as someone to avoid speaking to.

Damn, I hope so.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:55:25pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

“I did not attend his funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.

Well done. Twain and Bierce would be proud of that.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:56:46pm

re: #206 William Lewis

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But I put on Rumors the other night and from Second Hand News through The Chain to Gold Dust Woman that was as near to pop perfection as I know boiling out of an insane situation. Only “London Calling” and “Who’s Next” come close.

Mike Campbell is going to be doing some touring with Fleetwood Mac I understand.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 2, 2018 • 4:57:36pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:00:32pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

Baloney. I think bologna is Italian.

Oscar Mayer Commercial -1973

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:01:33pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

I wonder if she’s ever stopped and thought for a second what she intends to do after Donny is gone back to Mar-A-Lago. Because she is not going to enjoy the same sort of access with the next president that she has working as the fluffer for the Trump family, and may even be singled out by them as someone to avoid speaking to.

Arby’s always has openings in their Manager Trainee positions!

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:01:37pm

Fact check: harsh, but true:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:02:11pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:04:31pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

NASA ✔

@NASA
Twenty-five years ago today, astronauts ascended in the space shuttle to accomplish a feat of unprecedented proportions: to fix our @NASAHubble Space Telescope, in space. Learn how the ingenuity of those repairs blazed the way for space exploration: go.nasa.gov

7:30 PM - Dec 2, 2018

That was one of NASA’s better studio productions. Look at that lighting!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:05:29pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Flat Earthers will allege that George Lucas fabricated the footage.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:07:40pm

re: #250 Single-handed sailor

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As I’ve seen at least one article note since last week, Nunes may have inadvertently set the stage for Mueller to fillet many of Donny’s co-conspirators by basically encouraging them to lie to Congress under the belief that there would never be any consequences for such.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:09:38pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

As I’ve seen at least one article note since last week, Nunes may have inadvertently set the stage for Mueller to fillet many of Donny’s co-conspirators by basically encouraging them to lie to Congress under the belief that there would never be any consequences for such.

Again, damn, I hope so.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:13:36pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

As I’ve seen at least one article note since last week, Nunes may have inadvertently set the stage for Mueller to fillet many of Donny’s co-conspirators by basically encouraging them to lie to Congress under the belief that there would never be any consequences for such.

Nothing would give me more joy than to see Mueller perp walk Nunes, McConnell, Ryan, Hatch, Goodling and every other fucking Republican Congressman or Senator who stonewalled his investigation!

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Archangelus  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:17:57pm

No way in hell did Agent McRoadkillhair write that himself.

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:21:15pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

As I’ve seen at least one article note since last week, Nunes may have inadvertently set the stage for Mueller to fillet many of Donny’s co-conspirators by basically encouraging them to lie to Congress under the belief that there would never be any consequences for such.

I’m just annoyed that asshole got returned to Congress: of all the CA Republicans I would have like to see given the boot, it was Devin Nunes.
I wonder if his term on the House Intelligence Committee (assuming he’s still on it) will be quite as rewarding if Adam Schiff treats him like he did the Dems in the last term (i.e. deliberately left out the loop)…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:22:02pm

re: #260 Archangelus

No way in hell did Agent McRoadkillhair write that himself.

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Yeah that’s definitely not him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:23:50pm

re: #261 Jay C

I’m just annoyed that asshole got returned to Congress: of all the CA Republicans I would have like to see given the boot, it was Devin Nunes.
I wonder if his term on the House Intelligence Committee (assuming he’s still on it) will be quite as rewarding if Adam Schiff treats him like he did the Dems in the last term (i.e. deliberately left out the loop)…

I got a feeling Nunes will tuck tail and flee the committee. But there are plenty of asshole Republicans who will gladly take his place as Trump’s #1 stonewaller!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:28:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:32:33pm
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fern01  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:33:39pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

I’m just not thrilled at the idea of a seventy plus year old white guy as our ticket topper. Maybe if you pair Biden with a younger PoC or woman but I just think two older white guys going at it would depress turnout and we do our best as Democrats with fresh people I.e. JFK, Carter, Clinton, & Obama.

Biden has already tried twice and didn’t get past 1st base. He made a good 2nd to President Obama because he had the senate years behind him that Obama was missing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:35:47pm

re: #266 fern01

Biden has already tried twice and didn’t get past 1st base. He made a good 2nd to President Obama because he had the senate years behind him that Obama was missing.

Exactly. I think people miss that what made Biden work so well he worked great with Obama. I don’t know if Biden would have the same magic with another person or if he could get out of the primaries. It’s a shame because I do feel Biden would make a great President. He has the smarts, knowledge, and skills but I don’t think it’s in the cards. Now if I am the next Democratic President, I definitely go to him as well as Obama and both Clintons for advice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:45:22pm
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fern01  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:49:13pm

re: #150 dangerman

the only way bernie screws us is if we as a party let him

- he’s not a member of the democratic party, unless he joins
- it’s entirely the party’s fault for letting a nonmember in the door and participate as if they are a member
- it’s a party primary, not a ‘progressive’ one

- in the senate he can caucus with who he wants

I get worried he will run as an independent - that will re-elect trump.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:50:06pm

re: #269 fern01

I get worried he will run as an independent - that will re-elect trump.

I worry about that too. That’s why I want him to be a total non-factor in the primaries or at least battered heavily during them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:51:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:51:54pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She didn’t compare her election to the moon landing, you dumb retrograde fuck who believes in none of the science that sent us to the moon.

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mmmirele  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:53:15pm

Here’s a question a friend of mine just asked me: How much do you tip the cannabis delivery driver? She’s always gone to the dispensary before, but she’s laid up right now due to pain (hence the cannabis). I asked her if a delivery fee was included, and she said no, but the receipt says “tip not included.” I told her to treat it like a pizza delivery and tip appropriately.

ETA: I told her to order a pizza to show up a few minutes after that, but she said the bud she was getting was high CBD to low THC, and THC is what gives you the munchies.

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CleverToad  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:55:25pm

re: #273 mmmirele

Here’s a question a friend of mine just asked me: How much do you tip the cannabis delivery driver? She’s always gone to the dispensary before, but she’s laid up right now due to pain (hence the cannabis). I asked her if a delivery fee was included, and she said no, but the receipt says “tip not included.” I told her to treat it like a pizza delivery and tip appropriately.

New and interesting etiquette questions!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:56:22pm

They have a new cannabis store a block away and it’s name is…

GREEN ACRES

So tempted to ask if Oliver and Lisa work there and if they’ve seen a talking pig…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:58:12pm
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mmmirele  Dec 2, 2018 • 5:58:24pm

re: #275 Joe Bacon 🌹

They have a new canabis store a block away and it’s name is…

GREEN ACRES

So tempted to ask if Oliver and Lisa work there and if they’ve seen a talking pig…

Call up and ask for Arnold Ziffel.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:01:42pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

I hope Ohio is forced to legalize because of Michigan. There is push here…and fuckin’ John Boehner is getting investors lined up with his big growers convention or whatever.

New governor of Illinois is talking legalization here.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:02:18pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:02:29pm

re: #277 mmmirele

Call up and ask for Arnold Ziffel.

And if a customer comes in giggling about “Hooterville” tell them: “Sorry buddy, I’m cutting you off.”

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:02:58pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

I have a hard time with any “humor” around the orange menace. He’s terrifying and depressing and making fun of him doesn’t really work for me.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:04:31pm

re: #281 plansbandc

I have a hard time with any “humor” around the orange menace. He’s terrifying and depressing and making fun of him doesn’t really work for me.

Yeah, the parodies are getting less and less funny as the Trump-thing grinds away our psyches.

Sassy Trump still makes me laugh, though.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:04:41pm

re: #278 retired cynic

New governor of Illinois is talking legalization here.

The inability to deposit any of the cash from the dispensary sales is getting pretty weird. Time for the banks to be “legalized”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:05:20pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Yes, Sassy Trump is great.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:09:51pm

This is a year old and why am I just seeing this now??? I am kinda in tears.

How to Hijack Amazon Prime Now for Good

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:12:53pm
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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:13:58pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

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So, basically, the presidency.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:15:04pm

That is Sully H. Bush. HW’s service dog

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:15:55pm

re: #288 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m not crying.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:16:49pm

re: #288 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What a good boy. I hope he gets spoiled all the rest of his days.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:18:23pm

re: #269 fern01

I get worried he will run as an independent - that will re-elect trump.

I am worried that Bernie will pull a Trump: 2 dozen people will be running for the office, and he will manage to win because the others will split the realistic vote. He will continue to get the support of his cult who are just as delusional as the Trump cult.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:19:07pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The moon landing, dude, was done by the US government. It involved a massive commitment that could not have been done by private companies at the time.

I forget if it’s here or I heard it from my son (so many sources of information) but one of the reasons the Soviets failed was that they pitted different groups against each other to try to see if they could find the best idea through competition. That was the wrong scale to try this, though.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:19:38pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

I’m not crying.

Me neither. My eyes are just worn out from staring at computer monitors all day.

Yeah, yeah. That’s what it is

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:19:45pm

re: #288 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Aw damn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:19:49pm

ha!

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:20:22pm

re: #291 Hecuba’s daughter

I am worried that Bernie will pull a Trump: 2 dozen people will be running for the office, and he will manage to win because the others will split the realistic vote. He will continue to get the support of his cult who are just as delusional as the Trump cult.

Which is why I would impose the release of at least 14 years of tax returns to run as the Democratic candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:21:14pm

re: #292 Belafon

The moon landing, dude, was done by the US government. It involved a massive commitment that could not have been done by private companies at the time.

I forget if it’s here or I heard it from my son (so many sources of information) but one of the reasons the Soviets failed was that they pitted different groups against each other to try to see if they could find the best idea through competition. That was the wrong scale to try this, though.

His daughter also works for the guy who considers his movement the greatest in American history. But enough about why Huckleberry is a hypocritical douche.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:21:24pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Huckabee will offend a significant part of his base by implying that the Moon landings really happened.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:22:04pm

re: #250 Single-handed sailor

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A comment: It feels now like the ending to Lord of the Flies, when the adults show up and the insanity stops.

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fern01  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:23:09pm

re: #260 Archangelus

No way in hell did Agent McRoadkillhair write that himself.

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Well - if you read it - it says absolutely nothing about what Bush achieved - so in a way it’s typical trump - not a clue as to what he should be saying.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:23:14pm
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majii  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:23:55pm

re: #251 Eventual Carrion

The little boy in the commercial is one of my former students. I his teens, he looked the same as he did when he made the commercial. I was surprised when he told me that was him in the OM commercial.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:24:09pm

re: #288 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is Sully H. Bush. HW’s service dog

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Photo of the year.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:25:18pm

re: #291 Hecuba’s daughter

I am worried that Bernie will pull a Trump: 2 dozen people will be running for the office, and he will manage to win because the others will split the realistic vote. He will continue to get the support of his cult who are just as delusional as the Trump cult.

There will not be two dozen running by the time primaries begin. The debates and ore polling will weed out some of the weaker candidates

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:25:25pm

re: #303 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Photo of the year.

As nice as that is, I think I’m going to go with the tear-gassing refugees.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:25:28pm

Hey majii! Nice to see you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:27:19pm

re: #302 majii

The little boy in the commercial is one of my former students. I his teens, he looked the same as he did when he made the commercial. I was surprised when he told me that was him in the OM commercial.

Welcome back! I hope things have been well for you!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:28:33pm
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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:29:54pm

re: #299 retired cynic

A comment: It feels now like the ending to Lord of the Flies, when the adults show up and the insanity stops.

A number of those comments were how they could stand Schiff as President.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:30:48pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

That man is an angel. We need hundreds more.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:31:15pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m really surprised the tRump administration* hasn’t tried to deport him yet.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:31:29pm

re: #288 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is Sully H. Bush. HW’s service dog

I need to correct myself.
It’s Sully H.W. Bush
He’s been with HW since June

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#WeTheDogsDC #July4th #walkies #walkies🐾 #SullyHWBush #SullyBush #bush41 #instagood #goodboy #DogOfInstagram #TalesOfALab #InstaDog #InstaDogs #Dogs #AmericasVetDogs #GuidedogFoundation #labrador

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mmmirele  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:33:33pm

re: #283 Unshaken Defiance

The inability to deposit any of the cash from the dispensary sales is getting pretty weird. Time for the banks to be “legalized”.

I’m pretty sure my evil too big to fail employer would LOVE to take advantage of legalization in so many states, but it can’t at present. *scowl*

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majii  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:34:07pm

re: #307 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m still working on remodeling my house. I had the tile in the guest bathroom replaced last week. This week I’m going to have my phones lines under the house replaced because Cox told me they’re dead as a doorknob. I’m having a guy I know do the replacement because it will cost less for him to do it than to let Cox do it. After that, the same guy will set up my security system. I am so tired of working on this house, but I’m determined to finish it.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:34:09pm

Me, trying to be all thoughtful and shit, in tweet form.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:34:42pm

I’ve seen another couple of really cool commercials. Someone pointed out earlier that social conservatives really only care about social change. More and more of these commercials really indicate they are losing.

The first one is a Heineken commercial. The camera is the person walking into the family party with Dad, Mom, Sis, Mom’s boyfriend, Dad’s new wife, the twins, and (pause) that guy, whoever he is. The tag being something like “To tradition, even if it’s a new one.”

The second is a man holding a ring, talking to the camera, about how much he loves so-and-so (I don’t remember if a name was mentioned), and wants to ask her to marry him, but he wanted to ask “you” first. When the camera pans around to see who he’s talking to, it’s the 8-ish year old son of so-and-so.

That still doesn’t top what I would actually still consider the riskiest one, which is the Jared jewelers one which really implies that the guy is asking his boyfriend to marry him, tagged as “Dare to make a scene.”

As I said, they’re losing the war. We’re just going to have to stand together and finish them off.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:35:09pm

I hope next year during the Democrat debates, that they don’t go low with a ton of negative BS towards each other and give fuel to the Trumpthing. And I hope they exclude Bernie. Because, well. He’s not a Democrat.

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mmmirele  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:36:21pm

re: #301 teleskiguy

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It’s my understanding that the new president of Mexico (as of yesterday), Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (aka AMLO), wants to get rid of this jet.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:37:43pm

re: #315 teleskiguy

Me, trying to be all thoughtful and shit, in tweet form.

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Makes me sad. I remember watching Band of Brothers seventeen years ago and a significant amount of the Easy Company guys were still with us but now more are gone. My grand uncle was a year older than President Bush. 22 years this August. My grandpa, a Korea vet will be ten years this January. My niece saw some construction today and I told her how her great grandfather was a builder- brick mason. She liked that.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:38:28pm

re: #318 mmmirele

It’s my understanding that the new president of Mexico (as of yesterday), Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (aka AMLO), wants to get rid of this jet.

it hasn’t even been delivered yet either iirc.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:38:45pm

Sully will continue to serve

“… Later this week, Sully will return back to America’s VetDogs in Smithtown, New York for a temporary stay throughout the holiday season before joining the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center’s Facility Dog Program. Sully will be working alongside fellow VetDogs facility dogs SGT Dillon and SGT Truman who are there to assist with physical and occupational therapy to wounded soldiers and active duty personnel during their journey to recovery at Walter Reed Bethesda. …”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:40:50pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:40:57pm

re: #315 teleskiguy

Me, trying to be all thoughtful and shit, in tweet form.

Thoughtful indeed. According to the National World War II Museum, 496,777 of the 16 million Americans who served in World War II were alive in 2018, though that number dwindles every day. The very last remaining super-centenarians among them will probably hang on until about 2035.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:43:35pm

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Thoughtful indeed. According to the National World War II Museum, 496,777 of the 16 million Americans who served in World War II were alive in 2018, though that number dwindles every day. The very last remaining super-centenarians among them will probably hang on until about 2035.

Just think someone will know him that will be alive in the 22nd century.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:43:39pm

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Thoughtful indeed. According to the National World War II Museum, 496,777 of the 16 million Americans who served in World War II were alive in 2018, though that number dwindles every day. The very last remaining super-centenarians among them will probably hang on until about 2035.

I have the same thoughts about the holocaust. Not having any survivors makes it easier for deniers to be assholes. We have no choice but to study history and to remember.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:45:59pm

re: #325 I Would Prefer Not To

I have the same thoughts about the holocaust. Not having any survivors makes it easier for deniers to be assholes. We have no choice but to study history and to remember.

My thesis has long been the further we’ve gotten from those days is what fuels denial especially in younger people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:48:51pm

NOPE
Nein
Nyet
Non
No
לא

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:50:14pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

NOPE
Nein
Nyet
Non
No
לא

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Pass.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:50:22pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

NOPE
Nein
Nyet
Non
No
לא

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I second that NO!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:50:55pm

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Just think someone will know him that will be alive in the 22nd century.

It gives me goosebumps to realize that many of the children born now, including my grandchildren, have a good chance of living into the 22nd century. The earliest born person that I have known in my lifetime was probably our neighbor in Colorado Springs, Mrs. Rice. She was born in Washington DC in 1859 and witnessed the Civil War as a small child. She had seen President Lincoln many times. She once remarked to me, when I was, iirc, about 9, that I might be one of the very last people alive who had actually known someone who had seen the great Lincoln with their own eyes.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:51:34pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

NOPE
Nein
Nyet
Non
No
לא

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Candidate for the first to drop out.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:51:44pm

re: #330 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It gives me goosebumps to realize that many of the children born now, including my grandchildren, have a good chance of living into the 22nd century. The earliest born person that I have known in my lifetime was probably our neighbor in Colorado Springs, Mrs. Rice. She was born in Washington DC in 1859 and witnessed the Civil War as a small child. She had seen President Lincoln many times. She once remarked to me, when I was, iirc, about 9, that I might be one of the very last people alive who had actually known someone who had seen the great Lincoln with their own eyes.

Incredible bridge from Abe to Mrs. Rice to you to them. :)

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coin operated  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:54:08pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

NOPE
Nein
Nyet
Non
No
לא

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Not no, but fuck no!

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ipsos  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:54:41pm

re: #331 Belafon

Candidate for the first to drop out.

What does she bring to the table that other candidates don’t have in greater abundance?

I know the Berners like her, and when I asked one of my more sane Bernie friends what he liked about her, the entire answer amounted to (paraphrasing here) “she’s easy on the eyes.”

And once I started telling him about some of her issues (the whole BJP thing, among others), he wasn’t so hot for her all of a sudden.

This will happen at greater scale if she really thinks she has a shot at going anywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:55:51pm

I’m trying to remember if I knew anyone born in the 19th century. My great grandparents were all long gone by the time I was born but in my neat bit of history, my father’s maternal grandfather was born in 1874, two years before the telephone was invented and his paternal grandmother’s parents emigrated to the US during Washington’s first term from Alsace.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:57:10pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to remember if I knew anyone born in the 19th century. My great grandparents were all long gone by the time I was born but in my neat bit of history, my father’s maternal grandfather was born in 1874, two years before the telephone was invented and his paternal grandmother’s parents emigrated to the US during Washington’s first term from Alsace.

Grandma Bacon was born in July 7 1893 and lived until July 21 2000.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:57:13pm

re: #334 ipsos

What does she bring to the table that other candidates don’t have in greater abundance?

I know the Berners like her, and when I asked one of my more sane Bernie friends what he liked about her, the entire answer amounted to (paraphrasing here) “she’s easy on the eyes.”

And once I started telling him about some of her issues (the whole BJP thing, among others), he wasn’t so hot for her all of a sudden.

This will happen at greater scale if she really thinks she has a shot at going anywhere.

Her past homophobic stances. Not talking about merely doing the crap that a lot of Dems did on SSM for a long time. I’m talking about a record actively hostile to LGBT people as a Hawaii state legislator. She doesn’t impress me at all. If we’re going to run a veteran, Tammy Duckworth is a much better candidate and doesn’t have that kind of crap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:58:00pm
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bmoak  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:59:17pm

re: #310 A Mom Anon

That man is an angel. We need hundreds more.

If he’s out of the country in Mexico, I worry that he might not be allowed back in the country again.

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ckkatz  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:59:44pm

The ancient Greek writer Herodotus, often called the first historian, spoke of how memories live for three generations. For that is how long there are those who still knew of the humans who lived that history first-hand.

I remember a lecture on death and dying that spoke of that being the divide when our deceased relatives become ‘ancestors’.

The last First World War veteran passed in 2009 at age 110.

The last Civil War veteran passed in 1956.

The last Revolutionary War veteran passed in 1866.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 6:59:49pm

re: #336 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon was born in July 7 1893 and lived until July 21 2000.

What a life! I had this idea last month and yeah I was high but 11 short stories in the life of a centenarian in each decade from 1900 to 2000. My earliest born great grandparent was my Nana’s fatherr who the kids called Pap Pap. Born in 1874. He already was a father of a grown up son by the time my last ancestor, my Grandma’s mother who was born in 1898 came to the US in 1921.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:00:37pm

Needed a good guy with a gun artillery.

Man fired Civil War cannon at his neighbors for EIGHT DAYS during dispute

A 52-year-old man who allegedly fired a Civil War cannon at his neighbor’s house for eight days straight during an ongoing feud was arrested yesterday.

New York’s Brian J. Malta is accused of repeatedly firing the antique long tom, loaded with a powder charge and wadding, at the Prosser Hill Road, Jamestown property.

While it is not illegal to own a cannon, deputies reportedly confiscated it because it was used maliciously.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:00:55pm

re: #301 teleskiguy

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:02:21pm

re: #340 ckkatz

The ancient Greek writer Herodotus, often called the first historian, spoke of how memories live for three generations. For that is how long there are those who still knew of the humans who lived that history first-hand.

I remember a lecture on death and dying that spoke of that being the divide when our deceased relatives become ‘ancestors’.

The last First World War veteran passed in 2009 at age 110.

The last Civil War veteran passed in 1956.

The last Revolutionary War veteran passed in 1866.

It’s all so amazing to think about. For the next year, I’ve decided to give myself “reading units.” I’m starting with WWI and I’m going with novels, non-fiction, and memoirs. When I do the Civil War, I’m going to do some modern scholarship, Ron Chernow’s new Grant biography but also tackle the Lee, Douglas Freeman biography that all the Lost Causers love and Gone With the Wind. I think in order to understand history, you have to read it even by those who blatantly had agendas.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:02:29pm

BWAHAHAA!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:02:45pm

re: #334 ipsos

… telling him about some of her issues (the whole BJP thing, among others), he wasn’t so hot for her all of a sudden.

This will happen at greater scale if she really thinks she has a shot at going anywhere.

This has happened to me a few times recently: too many acronyms. What is BJP?

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:03:00pm

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Thoughtful indeed. According to the National World War II Museum, 496,777 of the 16 million Americans who served in World War II were alive in 2018, though that number dwindles every day. The very last remaining super-centenarians among them will probably hang on until about 2035.

I know 3 off the top of my head in my town still alive, hell I was having a beer with one just yesterday. And we lost 5 I know of in the last 2 years.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:04:50pm

I plan to tackle Vietnam by reading from an American journalist perspective (Stanley Karnow, American veteran (Tim O’Brien), and NVA (Bao Ninh) as well as other works too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:05:23pm

re: #343 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump with a chess set???

Like this:

littlegreenfootballs.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:05:58pm
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ipsos  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:08:42pm

re: #346 Hecuba’s daughter

This has happened to me a few times recently: too many acronyms. What is BJP?

RIght-wing Hindu nationalist political party in India, to which Gabbard is reportedly closely tied.

en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:09:40pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to remember if I knew anyone born in the 19th century. My great grandparents were all long gone by the time I was born but in my neat bit of history, my father’s maternal grandfather was born in 1874, two years before the telephone was invented and his paternal grandmother’s parents emigrated to the US during Washington’s first term from Alsace.

I did (in my family). My great-great-grandmother (mother’s mother’s mother’s mother) died in 1978 (born in 1877), one great-grandmother died in 1984 (father’s mother’s mother born in 1893), the other-great grandmother in 1993 (mother’s mother’s mother born in 1896). I went home on leave from the Navy for each of their funerals.

My mother’s mother was born in 1913 and died in 2005, so she was an adult during the Great Depression. My mother is still alive and was born before WW2.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:10:59pm

re: #352 Anymouse 🌹

I did (in my family). My great-great-grandmother (mother’s mother’s mother’s mother) died in 1978 (born in 1877), one great-grandmother died in 1984 (father’s mother’s mother born in 1893), the other-great grandmother in 1993 (mother’s mother’s mother born in 1896). I went home on leave from the Navy for each of their funerals.

My mother’s mother was born in 1913 and died in 2005, so she was an adult during the Great Depression. My mother is still alive and was born before WW2.

Hell with some of my second great grandparents I don’t even know when they were born. And with one of them, I don’t know who he was.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:13:39pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

What a life! I had this idea last month and yeah I was high but 11 short stories in the life of a centenarian in each decade from 1900 to 2000. My earliest born great grandparent was my Nana’s fatherr who the kids called Pap Pap. Born in 1874. He already was a father of a grown up son by the time my last ancestor, my Grandma’s mother who was born in 1898 came to the US in 1921.

Grandma was raised in Chicago and Wisconsin (I think it was Fon Du Lac) When she was 16 she was hired as a housekeeper/cook working at the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island in Michigan. She continued working there until World War 1 broke out and she and her sister Trix were hired by the Navy Department to work as clerks. Grandma wound up being a clerk and secretary for FDR when he was Assistant Secretary of the Navy. She met Grandpa when he returned from France. They got married the day before the Volsted (Prohibition) Act took effect. She took a train to Pittsburgh where they were married by either a judge or justice of the peace. After they married they dined at the Oyster House (Pittsburgh’s oldest tavern) and then they settled in Ambridge. Dad was born in 1920 and sister Joan born 1922. Great Grandpa Bacon was involved with the IWW, was blacklisted so he and Grandpa ran a grocery store. Grandma took in boarders. They got involved with John L Lewis (UMW and CIO President) and organized the Steelworkers Union in Beaver County. Grandpa served as a Borough Councilman, first he was the only Democrat until 1940. Grandpa fell one vote short of setting up a borough electric company. He did secure a clean water supply for Ambridge and when he retired they named the reservoir after him. It’s still in operation.

I fucking hate Corbett (prior GOP governor that Tom Wolf unseated) because he opened the area around the reservoir for fracking. Wolf stopped it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:14:34pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Hell with some of my second great grandparents I don’t even know when they were born. And with one of them, I don’t know who he was.

The period of close generations in my family is now over. My sister has no children; I have one son born when I was twenty-eight. The same goes for my cousins; their children were all born when they were in their late twenties or early thirties.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:15:46pm

re: #354 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma was raised in Chicago and Wisconsin (I think it was Fon Du Lac) When she was 16 she was hired as a housekeeper/cook working at the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island in Michigan. She continued working there until World War 1 broke out and she and her sister Trix were hired by the Navy Department to work as clerks. Grandma wound up being a clerk and secretary for FDR when he was Assistant Secretary of the Navy. She met Grandpa when he returned from France. They got married the day before the Volsted (Prohibition) Act took effect. She took a train to Pittsburgh where they were married by either a judge or justice of the peace. After they married they dined at the Oyster House (Pittsburgh’s oldest tavern) and then they settled in Ambridge. Dad was born in 1920 and sister Joan born 1922. Great Grandpa Bacon was involved with the IWW, was blacklisted so he and Grandpa ran a grocery store. Grandma took in boarders. They got involved with John L Lewis (UMW and CIO President) and organized the Steelworkers Union in Beaver County. Grandpa served as a Borough Councilman, first he was the only Democrat until 1940. Grandpa fell one vote short of setting up a borough electric company. He did secure a clean water supply for Ambridge and when he retired they named the reservoir after him. It’s still in operation.

I fucking hate Corbett (prior GOP governor that Tom Wolf unseated) because he opened the area around the reservoir for fracking. Wolf stopped it.

You know? My family also loved John L. Lewis. I have my Slovenian born great grandfather’s obituary. UMWA man as was my grandfather’s father in law. My great grandfather on my dad’s dad side whose surname I have was apparently my oddity, a banker Republican! But I don’t know what kind of Republican he was. Great guy though from what I know who definitely lived the American dream after coming here from Germany as a boy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:16:15pm

Well, the family line will end with me. Sisters have children but the Bacon name won’t go on after I pass. Just wasn’t in the cards but that’s life.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:16:32pm

re: #355 Anymouse 🌹

The period of close generations in my family is now over. My sister has no children; I have one son born when I was twenty-eight. The same goes for my cousins; their children were all born when they were in their late twenties or early thirties.

Yeah it’s crazy how it changes. I’m descended from a lot of younger sons and daughters. I’m only 31 but have no great grandparents born in the 20th century.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:18:11pm

re: #357 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, the family line will end with me. Sisters have children but the Bacon name won’t go on after I pass. Just wasn’t in the cards but that’s life.

Presuming my son is not going to have children, the same goes with my family name.

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:18:32pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to remember if I knew anyone born in the 19th century. My great grandparents were all long gone by the time I was born but in my neat bit of history, my father’s maternal grandfather was born in 1874, two years before the telephone was invented and his paternal grandmother’s parents emigrated to the US during Washington’s first term from Alsace.

all my grandparents were

dads dad lived to 91

mom’s dad to 94
mom’s mom to 105
they were married 70 years

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:19:38pm

re: #355 Anymouse 🌹

The period of close generations in my family is now over. My sister has no children; I have one son born when I was twenty-eight. The same goes for my cousins; their children were all born when they were in their late twenties or early thirties.

I have 9 kids. My sister (my only sibling) has 1. Her son is just one year older than my oldest grandkid (of which there are 42).

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:20:23pm

On my great-grandmother’s ninety-third birthday, my ex-wife made her a birthday cake (and put ninety-three candles on it). My great-grandmother said she would need a fire bottle to put out the cake.

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ckkatz  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:20:46pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

It’s all so amazing to think about. For the next year, I’ve decided to give myself “reading units.” I’m starting with WWI and I’m going with novels, non-fiction, and memoirs. When I do the Civil War, I’m going to do some modern scholarship, Ron Chernow’s new Grant biography but also tackle the Lee, Douglas Freeman biography that all the Lost Causers love and Gone With the Wind. I think in order to understand history, you have to read it even by those who blatantly had agendas.

I remember my grandfather talking about his service in World War 1. He was in a Missouri unit. Just knowing him and who he was ( a farm boy from the lower midwest) gives me a very different context than the history books ever gave me.

He took us to a Civil War cemetery at one point (and remember that he knew many Civil War vets) and said that the neat rows of gravestones were probably the only time they had actually been in straight lines. I always wonder if that had been his view of the American First World War soldiers as well. He also had lots of stories about he and his best friend in the service, an Ojibwa/Chippewa Native American.

One thought as you read through the histories of World War 1.

You may run across books claiming that World War 1 accomplished nothing. In all likelihood that source will be American, Brit or French. For the rest of Europe, and parts beyond, I think that things were very different.

It seems to me that the war started because of of political change and failure in Eastern Europe. By the end of the war, all 4 Empires in that area (German, Austro-Hungarian, Russian, and Ottoman) had collapsed and their territories divided into multiple new countries.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:20:56pm

re: #361 The Vicious Babushka

I have 9 kids. My sister (my only sibling) has 1. Her son is just one year older than my oldest grandkid (of which there are 42).

Damn, VB, you can field your own baseball team.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:21:44pm

re: #364 Anymouse 🌹

Damn, VB, you can field your own baseball team.

LOL my grandkids could form a league!

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:22:20pm

re: #347 Eventual Carrion

I know 3 off the top of my head in my town still alive, hell I was having a beer with one just yesterday. And we lost 5 I know of in the last 2 years.

I spoke to my 95-year-old uncle this morning; he is still excited from his honor flight early in November.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:25:43pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to remember if I knew anyone born in the 19th century. My great grandparents were all long gone by the time I was born but in my neat bit of history, my father’s maternal grandfather was born in 1874, two years before the telephone was invented and his paternal grandmother’s parents emigrated to the US during Washington’s first term from Alsace.

Three of my grandparents and my mother’s mother’s mother were still alive during my lifetime. My great-grandmother was born just after the Civil War. I knew her brother, and lots of my grandparents’ siblings.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:27:01pm

re: #354 Joe Bacon 🌹

Made a point of stopping at the Oyster House on this Summer’s epic camper trip. (Hadn’t been there since about 1950.) I don’t think they’ve put in a new floor, or waitress.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:28:25pm

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

LOL my grandkids could form a league!

Your family might have more people than my town.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:29:19pm

re: #357 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, the family line will end with me. Sisters have children but the Bacon name won’t go on after I pass. Just wasn’t in the cards but that’s life.

Same with my husband’s name, and my maiden name. Either no children, or just daughters. The way the cookie crumbled…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:32:35pm

re: #347 Eventual Carrion

I know 3 off the top of my head in my town still alive, hell I was having a beer with one just yesterday. And we lost 5 I know of in the last 2 years.

There is a woman here in my town who as a teenager worked in the North Platte Canteen (Goes to the Lincoln County, Nebr. On-Line Museum).

The North Platte Canteen was a volunteer effort in epic proportions. It brought people from 125 different communities together to serve 6 million troops during World War II. Brought to you by the Lincoln County Historical Museum, this online museum exhibit highlights this effort.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:32:55pm

Favre, Andy Dick and Soulja Boy identified so far.

“Brett Favre here with a shoutout to the Handsome Truth and the GDL boys,” the NFL legend said in his video, which has since been removed. “You guys are patriots in my eyes. So keep waking them up and don’t let the small get you down. Keep fighting, too, and don’t ever forget the USS Liberty and the men and women who died on that day. God bless and take care.”

The small=small hats=yarmulkes
And of course, the USS Liberty

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:34:15pm

re: #352 Anymouse 🌹

I did (in my family). My great-great-grandmother (mother’s mother’s mother’s mother) died in 1978 (born in 1877), one great-grandmother died in 1984 (father’s mother’s mother born in 1893), the other-great grandmother in 1993 (mother’s mother’s mother born in 1896). I went home on leave from the Navy for each of their funerals.

My mother’s mother was born in 1913 and died in 2005, so she was an adult during the Great Depression. My mother is still alive and was born before WW2.

My grandparents were all born in the 19th century in Eastern Europe, in the 1880’s. My father’s father died in the 1920’s of appendicitis. My mother’s father and my father’s mother died in the 1950’s when I was a young child and I never really knew them. I was close to my mother’s mother, who passed away in the 1970’s at age 85.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:34:54pm

re: #359 Anymouse 🌹

Presuming my son is not going to have children, the same goes with my family name.

Theory of Relativity:
If your parents didn’t have children you probably won’t either.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:38:10pm

re: #373 Hecuba’s daughter

My grandparents were all born in the 19th century in Eastern Europe, in the 1880’s. My father’s father died in the 1920’s of appendicitis. My mother’s father and my father’s mother died in the 1950’s when I was a young child and I never really knew them. I was close to my mother’s mother, who passed away in the 1970’s at age 85.

My mother, born in 1921, survived an emergency appendectomy when she was a toddler. She was fussy, and then went into a seizure from the pain, I assume. Famous because my grandfather bit through the stem of his pipe when it happened!

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ckkatz  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:41:59pm

re: #342 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Needed a good guy with a gun artillery.

Man fired Civil War cannon at his neighbors for EIGHT DAYS during dispute

Not like this, I hope:
(From 2011)
‘Mythbusters’ cannonball hits Dublin home, minivan

sfgate.com

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austin_blue  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:42:01pm

Here’s the scariest story you will read all year:

nytimes.com

You thought coal was bad? Look what insecticides, especially organophosphates have done.

Goodbye food.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:45:22pm

re: #375 retired cynic

My mother, born in 1921, survived an emergency appendectomy when she was a toddler. She was fussy, and then went into a seizure from the pain, I assume. Famous because my grandfather bit through the stem of his pipe when it happened!

My mother was born in 1940. She was struck with polio, and the doctor in my hometown decided to use the unproven Sister Kenny method of physiotherapy for polio victims instead of the then-common practice of binding children’s limbs so they could not move.

My mother recovered completely from polio, such that she could join the Navy in 1957.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:45:39pm

re: #376 ckkatz

Not like this, I hope:
(From 2011)
‘Mythbusters’ cannonball hits Dublin home, minivan

sfgate.com

Nah, just powder and wagging. no cannon balls

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:54:38pm

My paternal grandfather was born in 1868. Do I win anything for that? My family is noticeably slow getting off the dime reproductively. Other grandparents born in 1874, 1886 and 1889. And I’m only 65.

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:54:46pm

He’s not wrong :/

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ckkatz  Dec 2, 2018 • 7:55:00pm

re: #379 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Nah, just powder and wagging. no cannon balls

That guy is lucky no one got hurt, and that he did not set anything on fire.

Years ago I had a friend who was active in re-enactments.

He mentioned an apocryphal story supposedly from the 1976 Bicentennial re-enactment of Bunker Hill.

The guy who was playing the Colonel of the British side was not well liked. When this guy led the re-enactment of the final charge, a cannon crew on the American side reduced their blank charge and put lots of newspaper wadding in their cannon. They then fired the cannon at the Colonel and hit him square in the chest, knocking him on his butt.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:01:58pm

re: #372 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Favre, Andy Dick and Soulja Boy identified so far.

[Embedded content]

The small=small hats=yarmulkes
And of course, the USS Liberty

What I want to know is how is Brett Favre so hard up for money that he’s making recordings for randos?

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ckkatz  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:02:04pm

Speaking of Bernie:

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Dave In Austin  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:03:46pm
386
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:09:52pm
387
Belafon  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:10:10pm

re: #381 Interesting Times

He’s not wrong :/

[Embedded content]

Similarly:

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:17:32pm

Guess Pittsburgh decided they really didn’t want to win this game after all.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:18:02pm

Might have spoke too soon.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:18:14pm

Lre: #388 Eventual Carrion

Guess Pittsburgh decided they really didn’t want to win this game after all.

Just tied it thank goodness.

391
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:23:10pm

re: #388 Eventual Carrion

Guess Pittsburgh decided they really didn’t want to win this game after all.

392
Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:25:03pm

re: #387 Belafon

Similarly:

Yup. My son graduated from Robert E. Lee High School in Jacksonville.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:28:23pm

re: #388 Eventual Carrion

re: #390 HappyWarrior

re: #391 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Chargers got this.
Now, I’ll laugh my ass off if they wind up bouncing a field goal attempt off the uprights

394
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:30:09pm

re: #393 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Chargers got this.
Now, I’ll laugh my ass off if they wind up bouncing a field goal attempt off the uprights

Steelers offside

395
Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:31:23pm

re: #394 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Steelers offside

Yeah, make the kick a little easier.

396
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:31:27pm

re: #394 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Steelers offside

Steelers offside again

397
calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:31:34pm

re: #392 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. My son graduated from Robert E. Lee High School in Jacksonville.

I don’t think either I or my kids ever went to a school that was named for anyone. Generally they were geographically named, but my jr. high was named “La Entrada” on the theory it was the portal between elementary and high school.

398
Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:33:27pm

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Steelers offside again

And there ya go yinz

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:33:52pm

re: #397 calochortus

I don’t think either I or my kids ever went to a school that was named for anyone. Generally they were geographically named, but my jr. high was named “La Entrada” on the theory it was the portal between elementary and high school.

The only school I ever went to that was named after anybody was Frank B. Kellogg Jr. High.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:34:16pm

Livid.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:36:00pm

re: #397 calochortus

I don’t think either I or my kids ever went to a school that was named for anyone. Generally they were geographically named, but my jr. high was named “La Entrada” on the theory it was the portal between elementary and high school.

My high school was named after our town’s namesake. The difference is while he was a slave owner. He never took arms against the US. It’s frustrating how many people can’t see the difference

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:36:04pm

re: #399 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The only school I ever went to that ws named after anybody was Franklin B. Kellogg Jr. High.

Could be worse. :)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:37:20pm

re: #402 calochortus

Could be worse. :)

Could be the crazy Kellogg….

404
Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:37:57pm

re: #397 calochortus

I don’t think either I or my kids ever went to a school that was named for anyone. Generally they were geographically named, but my jr. high was named “La Entrada” on the theory it was the portal between elementary and high school.

The two high schools I went to in Michigan were named after the towns, and the one I went to in Brazil was numbered.

405
calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:38:45pm

re: #401 HappyWarrior

My high school was named after our town’s namesake. The difference is while he was a slave owner. He never took arms against the US. It’s frustrating how many people can’t see the difference

I’m really not a fan of naming buildings after people. I’ve always thought that if I were fabulously wealthy I’d like to endow a building with the proviso that it always be called “The Administration Building” or “The (name of town) Concert Hall” or whatever.

406
gwangung  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:40:24pm

re: #405 calochortus

I’m really not a fan of naming buildings after people. I’ve always thought that if I were fabulously wealthy I’d like to endow a building with the proviso that it always be called “The Administration Building” or “The (name of town) Concert Hall” or whatever.

Yet, it’s a reliable incentive for most wealthy philanthropists. I’ve known of one or two who’d rather name an endowment, but buildings (or even rooms) have a great appeal.

407
HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:41:28pm

re: #405 calochortus

I’m really not a fan of naming buildings after people. I’ve always thought that if I were fabulously wealthy I’d like to endow a building with the proviso that it always be called “The Administration Building” or “The (name of town) Concert Hall” or whatever.

Well it’s our town name. Not the guy’s full name. I don’t mind the practice tbh but I think there’s a messed up thing to observe a predominately African American school named after Davis or Lee and the Deep South is full with them.

408
calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:42:54pm

re: #406 gwangung

I remember hearing about a building fund (a church, IIRC) where they went through months of trying to figure out how to parcel out naming rights to get donations, and in the end, they just put up a plaque with the donor names in alphabetical order, without the amounts donated, and everyone was happy.
Sort of refreshing.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:43:06pm

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Well it’s our town name. Not the guy’s full name. I don’t mind the practice tbh but I think there’s a messed up thing to observe a predominately African American school named after Davis or Lee and the Deep South is full with them.

I want to get a supermajority in Congress and rename the country Obamastan, just for the reaction.

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gwangung  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:44:47pm

re: #408 calochortus

I think my employer would be just fine without naming things, but donors inquire about that….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:45:39pm

re: #409 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I want to get a supermajority in Congress and rename the country Obamastan, just for the reaction.

Rename it Mosque.//

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:46:09pm

re: #410 gwangung

I think my employer would be just fine without naming things, but donors inquire about that….

I’m sure that’s true. I was raised to be a bit more, umm, self effacing. But then I also haven’t made a fortune either.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:46:50pm

re: #406 gwangung

Yet, it’s a reliable incentive for most wealthy philanthropists. I’ve known of one or two who’d rather name an endowment, but buildings (or even rooms) have a great appeal.

NSFW

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:49:46pm

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Thoughtful indeed. According to the National World War II Museum, 496,777 of the 16 million Americans who served in World War II were alive in 2018, though that number dwindles every day. The very last remaining super-centenarians among them will probably hang on until about 2035.

fun with statistics:

in 1945, the population of the US was just under 139.9 million. So more than 10% of the country served.

in 1946, our population was 141.4 million
in 1947, it was 144.1
in 1948, it was 146.6

not sure how much of of that rapid increase was baby-boomer births, and how much was refugees settling here.

Our losses in that war was slightly under 3% of our troops
Most European and Asian countries lost close to 5% of their entire population.
USSR had it the worst, they lost 15% of their population.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:54:23pm

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Rename it Mosque.//

I want to do it just for the wingnuts who thought when Obama made a campaign speech in Ohio, with the state flag onstage, that it was the “Obama flag” he was going to change the US flag to….

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2018 • 8:55:05pm

re: #406 gwangung

Yet, it’s a reliable incentive for most wealthy philanthropists. I’ve known of one or two who’d rather name an endowment, but buildings (or even rooms) have a great appeal.

People are fucking weird about that shit and I blame a lack of introspection. Not enough of us reflect on how utterly incurious we tend to be about the names attached to the random shit around us. Most of us don’t care when it’s other people’s names, and we shouldn’t, but we also still tend to think when it comes to us recognition offers some semblance of immortality.

I guess with an endowment or scholarship it’s a bit different because you’re aiming at a smaller audience who benefit directly, both to a far greater and more obvious degree, but it’s still random as hell and (for me at least) has this slightly off putting element of seeking to transform wealth into publicly recognized self worth.

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:04:05pm

Good night all.
Hasta mañana.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 2, 2018 • 9:40:51pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s crazy how it changes. I’m descended from a lot of younger sons and daughters. I’m only 31 but have no great grandparents born in the 20th century.

All of my grandparents were born in the 1800s. My dad’s dad was the oldest, born in 1857 and died in 1942. The other three were born in the 1870s and 1880s, and the last died a month before I was born. My parents had waited until they were in their late 30s to get married, and I got hitched at age 29, so my kids just barely got to meet my parents before they passed away in the 1990s. My older stepson and my dad, though, got a chance to bond, which was something marvelous to behold.

I regret not having the chance to talk to any of my grandparents, but my cousins, who are all older than I, have shared their stories with me. My parents’ parents were neighbors and friends, and my two grandpas conspired to make bathtub gin during Prohibition. Those two guys must have had a lot of stories to tell.


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