Utterly Devoid of Self-Awareness, Trump Calls for Michael Cohen to Serve a Long Prison Term

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Fresh from his ridiculously embarrassing junket to Argentina, President Racist Grandpa is ranting on Twitter like an incoherent street corner preacher again. This time he’s viciously attacking his former confidant and fixer Michael Cohen, calling for him to serve “a full and complete sentence.”

Let’s all remember that Trump is very much in favor of harsh punishment for criminal behavior, shall we?

But who in the world is “Scott Free?”

UPDATE at 12/3/18 11:51:55 am by Charles Johnson

This is the age of wonder, when the President* of the United States gets dragged by the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2018 • 11:50:03am

Maybe they can share a cell?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2018 • 11:51:22am

MSNBC’s Hallie Jackson predicts another bombshell after Trump’s rant: Last time he was this crazy Michael Cohen got nailed

MSNBC news anchor Hallie Jackson said on Monday that President Trump’s morning tweetstorm reminded her that the last time the president launched as vituperative an attack, one of his associates pled guilty to federal campaign finance violations.

“Remember the last time he did this kind of tweet storm? One day later we found out about his former lawyer Michael Cohen’s guilty plea,” Jackson said. Cohen admitted in federal court to buying the silence of two women who had had affairs with then-candidate Trump, and doing so at Trump’s direction.

“Here’s what the president is saying today,” Jackson continued, quoting Trump’s attacks on Cohen and special counsel Robert Mueller while defending political operative Roger Stone. “‘They only want lies. The truth is bad for their mission.’”

Indeed, Individual #1 is especially unhinged today. Hopefully a very large shoe is about to drop.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 11:56:11am

Sorry to go OT but we just got back from putting my dog down. I’ve lost a dog before but only in sleep. Tears here.

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2018 • 11:56:56am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sorry to hear that you had to do that. Never easy to lose a 4 footed friend.

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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 11:57:16am
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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 11:59:14am
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 3, 2018 • 11:59:16am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I’m so sorry.

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Teukka  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:00:26pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sorry to go OT but we just got back from putting my dog down. I’ve lost a dog before but only in sleep. Tears here.

My condolences. :(

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:00:47pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I’m so sorry. That’s such a hard thing.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:00:49pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sorry to go OT but we just got back from putting my dog down. I’ve lost a dog before but only in sleep. Tears here.

Sorry to hear that. I know that’s a hard decision to make.

One of my cats passed away yesterday. He had been ill for some time but was still eating and everything else until yesterday morning. He passed while I was out, which was new for me.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:01:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:02:14pm

Thanks all. It was peaceful tho sudden. He was having a hard time walking lately but he improved today. It was a heart tumor that they just found. Gonna miss him.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:02:45pm

re: #11 Kragar

I actually wasn’t aware the president has been charged in anything. So how could he be ‘exonerated’ or not exonerated?

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:03:11pm

How ungodly fucking expensive is Malibu you ask:

At least 670 structures were destroyed inside the Malibu city limits, including more than 400 single-family homes with an estimated market value of at least $1.6 billion, according to an analysis of aerial imagery and property records conducted by The Times and Zillow, the real estate website.

mama mia that’s a spicy meatball

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Sir John Barron  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:04:04pm

re: #11 Kragar

Wow, so POTUS was charged and convicted by a jury and now we learn Mueller withheld exonerating evidence? That’s amazing. Lock him up!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:05:29pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

How ungodly fucking expensive is Malibu you ask:

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Zillow isn’t a very good source for real estate pricing, though. They consistently over-estimate values.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:06:24pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:08:34pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

So sorry to hear that. My condolences :(

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:09:14pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sending you good juju. Safe journeys for furry friends.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:11:23pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Zillow isn’t a very good source for real estate pricing, though. They consistently over-estimate values.

True but the average sale price in 2017 was $6 million.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:11:46pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

How ungodly fucking expensive is Malibu you ask:

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That works out to about $4 million per home.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:12:14pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:12:53pm

Tell me some enterprising individual has created a “Scott Free” Twitter account?

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:13:30pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

That works out to about $4 million per home.

The good news is that the vast majority of value is in the land itself.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:13:34pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Didn’t a MOBILE HOME there sell for 5 million?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:14:50pm
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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:15:29pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

condolences, it’s never easy.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:15:35pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:16:47pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

True but the average sale price in 2017 was $6 million.

Yeah, it’s pretty crazy, not arguing with that.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:17:06pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

I’m confused on who to root for here.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:18:27pm

re: #30 Belafon

I’m confused on who to root for here.

When in doubt, root for injuries?

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:18:56pm

re: #31 KGxvi

When in doubt, root for injuries?

Well, we’ve got those.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:19:02pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

The good news is that the vast majority of value is in the land itself.

Assuming much of it hasn’t washed down the hill with last week’s rains

/(half)

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:20:15pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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I remember Obama saying that “Manning broke the law”

The whole world went into a tizzy claiming how he tainted the case and he caught hell about it for YEARS

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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:21:01pm

re: #33 KGxvi

Assuming much of it hasn’t washed down the hill with last week’s rains

/(half)

Whatever’s left is the most stable, the least likely to burn (again).

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Interesting Times  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:21:13pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Tell me some enterprising individual has created a “Scott Free” Twitter account?

Close…

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:22:49pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Whatever’s left is the most stable, the least likely to burn (again).

You would think… but, not so much

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:23:11pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Tell me some enterprising individual has created a “Scott Free” Twitter account?

I got as close as I can

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:24:40pm
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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:25:45pm
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gwangung  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:27:47pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

What I hear, the military is NOT ready to conduct another war. They need at least a couple years to replenish, retrain, update doctrine and overhaul equipment that has been in use for years without a break.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:28:13pm

re: #40 Kragar

Some epic Backpfeifengesicht going on there.

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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:28:55pm

re: #37 KGxvi

You would think… but, not so much

If they would just quit building stuff there…

/it’s California, with beach access, great views, close to LA but not in LA

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:29:40pm

re: #33 KGxvi

Assuming much of it hasn’t washed down the hill with last week’s rains

/(half)

All I know is that lots of wealthy motherfuckers are suddenly very interested in concrete and steel construction.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:30:38pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

DoD spending has almost replaced Medicare as a political third rail (especially since Republicans are more than willing to fuck with Medicare if given the opportunity). Calm, rational debate about what the proper role of the US military should be, and what funding can accomplish that is… highly unlikely.

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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:30:48pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

All I know is that lots of wealthy motherfuckers are suddenly very interested in concrete and steel construction.

Gotta have the metal roof.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:31:08pm

re: #41 gwangung

What I hear, the military is NOT ready to conduct another war. They need at least a couple years to replenish, retrain, update doctrine and overhaul equipment that has been in use for years without a break.

We could start by ending some of these pointless wars the US is still involved in for no damned reason.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:31:12pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

Gotta have the metal roof.

And goats

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:32:06pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

All I know is that lots of wealthy motherfuckers are suddenly very interested in concrete and steel construction.

So are their insurers

(I’ve been involved in those multi-party everybody’s-house-was-damaged- someone-needs-to-pay cases)

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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:32:27pm

re: #48 Kragar

And goats

Wait for some new growth, then turn ‘em loose on the sprouts.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:33:04pm
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gwangung  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:33:31pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

We could start by ending some of these pointless wars the US is still involved in for no damned reason.

You would think, but the right wing is always up for war, without ever taking the steps necessary to prosecute war properly.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:33:46pm
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sagehen  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:34:10pm

re: #34 bd(Scott Free)

I remember Obama saying that “Manning broke the law”

The whole world went into a tizzy claiming how he tainted the case and he caught hell about it for YEARS

Charles Manson almost got a mistrial because Richard Nixon called him guilty.
thecrimson.com

Manson was said to have told his lawyers, “Here’s a man who is accused of hundreds of thousands of murders, acousing me of being accused of eight murders.”

Although the jury in the Manson trial is kept sequestered in a hotel and denied access to newspaper accounts of the trials, attorneys expressed concern that they might learn of the President’s remarks through visits from relatives.

Immediately after Nixon made the remarks in Denver, Ronald V. Ziegler, Presidential press secretary, called reporters together to “clarify” the President’s statement.

Ziegler said that Nixon “failed to use the word ‘alleged’” in his statement. “The phrase he used could lead to some misinterpretation,” Ziegler added.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:35:45pm

There was a British MP while dying had people trying to convert him to Catholicism. The MP, Alan Clark declined saying he couldn’t be Catholic if he didn’t think he would get to see his dogs together in heaven and I guess if I have an afterdeath philosophy, I see it how I do the MP’s, I want to be united with all my loved ones in heaven. Some are humans, some dogs, loved ones all the same. I’m going to miss Marley so much guys and thanks so much for the comfort.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:36:54pm

re: #54 sagehen

Charles Manson almost got a mistrial because Richard Nixon called him guilty.
thecrimson.com

Which is why news orgs use “alleged” even when the video is right in front of us.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:41:05pm
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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:42:18pm
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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:43:25pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

I’m annoyed that they killed the carpool lane stickers for hybrids, but can’t say I’m surprised by this. Gotta keep “our friends” the Saudis happy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:43:43pm

re: #58 Kragar

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Really pisses me off that my dog’s gone and people like this fucker endure. I know karma goes against all reason I believe in but man just not right that some just get to linger and for the most part we outlive our dogs.

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CleverToad  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:43:54pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

{{{hugs and sympathies}}}
A hard and sad moment, necessary but never easy
treasure your good memories

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:44:30pm
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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:44:53pm

re: #58 Kragar

*blink*

This rogue government tyranny perpetrated by a Special Counsel and his prosecutorial staff, which is designed to effectively overthrow a duly elected president by coercing and extorting false testimony by Dr. Corsi and others, cannot be permitted in a civilized society

*blink blink*

That is the Dumbest Answer I’ve Ever Heard.wmv

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:45:20pm

Why is environmentalism partisan? Do R’s think they are immune? I get that the Evangelicals want the earth destroyed so Jesus comes back, but what about all the other R’s? Do they just not give a shit about their families?

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:45:30pm

in case anyone cares about this morning’s discussion re tuna and salmon and buying ‘small’ portions in the grocery

salmon, in our local store, cut to your order any size $11.99/lb today

a tray of precut 5.25 oz pieces, 5.99 per piece (which is $18.26 / lb)
yes, you could just ask for a custom cut 5.25 oz piece and pay 11.99

pre-marinated bourbon glazed 5.25 oz pieces, is 7.99 or 24.35 /lb

pre glazed in brown sugar 5.25 oz pieces is no extra charge over the 5.99

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:47:19pm

re: #61 CleverToad

{{{hugs and sympathies}}}
A hard and sad moment, necessary but never easy
treasure your good memories

Thank you and everyone else. I was glad that I got to hold his paw and look into his beautiful eyes one last time. Four generations of people loved him..In fact, he’s going to be the reason why my little niece loves dogs and I think he’s why my SiL who wasn’t raised with dogs has become a dog person. He was just such a special presence in our lives.

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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:47:32pm

re: #64 plansbandc

Why is environmentalism partisan? Do R’s think they are immune? I get that the Evangelicals want the earth destroyed so Jesus comes back, but what about all the other R’s? Do they just not give a shit about their families?

They give a bigger shit about money.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:47:37pm

re: #64 plansbandc

Why is environmentalism partisan? Do R’s think they are immune? I get that the Evangelicals want the earth destroyed so Jesus comes back, but what about all the other R’s? Do they just not give a shit about their families?

Because the large petrol companies hired lobbyists to give very large sums of money to Republican lawmakers, and none of them seem to know or believe what Jesse Unruh said.

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:48:57pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I miss the days when presidents knew they were supposed to shut the fuck up about high profile criminal trials.

that they might find themselves enmeshed in the middle of?

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Teukka  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:50:43pm

OT, but a scary example of the misinformation on the internet:

A Woman Drank 1 Liter Soy Sauce Colon Cleanse In 2 Hours. This Is What Happened To Her Brain.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:51:22pm

re: #59 KGxvi

I’m not exactly sure there’s much of an impact here. This is an offshoot of the GM business, but the reality is that the alt-energy vehicles subsidies were getting phased out anyways. In 2008, the US launched electric vehicle subsidies of $7,500, which shrink based on sales. The purchase subsidy phases out once you hit 200,000 vehicles sold, and GM is about to hit that target. Toyota, Nissan and Tesla are also approaching that limit.

At the same time, the subsidies actually caused companies to take this seriously as did consumers.

Trump’s just shitting on everything everyone else did, without a care about the consequences of the actions (same as always).

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:51:55pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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I saw that earlier. The funny thing is if they go through with that it will actually help Tesla, because they passed the 200K vehicle limit a few months ago and are in the phase out period.

Yes. The government is phasing out the electric vehicle tax credits as sales volume increases, on the theory that the high initial cost of adding new technology to a vehicle will come down as economies of scale improve. That’s supposed to eliminate the need for subsidies. This phase-out period is individual to each manufacturer and comes only after an automaker sells 200,000 qualified vehicles. Tesla hit the milestone first, announcing on July 12 that it had delivered its 200,000th vehicle. The full $7,500 tax credit for Tesla vehicles will now only be available on those delivered on or by December 31, 2018. That might disappoint people who have deposits on the base $35,000 Tesla Model 3. Edmunds analysts say that production on that version won’t begin until November or December 2018 at the earliest.

Tesla vehicles delivered from January 1 to June 30, 2019, are eligible for a federal credit of $3,750. Tesla vehicles delivered from July 1 to December 31, 2019, are eligible for a federal credit of $1,875. There are no federal tax credits for Tesla after that.

GM (the real target here) will also hit their 200K mark either late this year or early in 2019, so if Trump does eliminate the tax credit in 2020 or 2021 it will hurt Tesla and GM’s competitors, the environment and the overall economy, but not them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:52:15pm

re: #64 plansbandc

Why is environmentalism partisan? Do R’s think they are immune? I get that the Evangelicals want the earth destroyed so Jesus comes back, but what about all the other R’s? Do they just not give a shit about their families?

Enough politicians convince them that the hippie who just wants the earth to be clean is a bigger enemy of theirs than the developer who doesn’t give a fuck about the environment as long as he makes a buck..

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:53:59pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sorry to go OT but we just got back from putting my dog down. I’ve lost a dog before but only in sleep. Tears here.

re: #10 Sir John Barron

Sorry to hear that. I know that’s a hard decision to make.

One of my cats passed away yesterday. He had been ill for some time but was still eating and everything else until yesterday morning. He passed while I was out, which was new for me.

Just catching up. Sorry to hear about both of your pet friends.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:55:52pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sorry to go OT but we just got back from putting my dog down. I’ve lost a dog before but only in sleep. Tears here.

Oh, man. As you know I did that about a year ago. It’s really hard, even if you know for sure that it was time. They latch onto a big part of our hearts when they’re with us, and take that with them when they go.

Let yourself cry, scream, laugh, punch a pillow - whatever you need to do. Don’t let ANYONE tell you to ‘get over it’.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:58:18pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, man. As you know I did that about a year ago. It’s really hard, even if you know for sure that it was time. They latch onto a big part of our hearts when they’re with us, and take that with them when they go.

Let yourself cry, scream, laugh, punch a pillow - whatever you need to do. Don’t let ANYONE tell you to ‘get over it’.

He’d be slowing down over the weekend but he looked good this morning. Walked outside. Went to the vet. Inoperable heart tumor. We wanted it to be peaceful and painless. I’ve lost dogs before but never like this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 12:58:37pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

Just catching up. Sorry to hear about both of your pet friends.

Thanks. Great dog. So many memories.

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:00:22pm

re: #71 lawhawk

I’m not exactly sure there’s much of an impact here. This is an offshoot of the GM business, but the reality is that the alt-energy vehicles subsidies were getting phased out anyways. In 2008, the US launched electric vehicle subsidies of $7,500, which shrink based on sales. The purchase subsidy phases out once you hit 200,000 vehicles sold, and GM is about to hit that target. Toyota, Nissan and Tesla are also approaching that limit.

At the same time, the subsidies actually caused companies to take this seriously as did consumers.

Trump’s just shitting on everything everyone else did, without a care about the consequences of the actions (same as always).

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:08:22pm

You know who’s really going to be pissed off at Trump over ending the EV tax credit? Ford. The Focus and Fusion evs don’t stand out right now and aren’t selling in big numbers, so they’re planning to roll out a performance SUV model in 2020. Yanking the tax credit fucks them over royally. Same with Porsche, BMW, VW and Mercedes Benz, who have anemic sales and/or models in the pipeline and haven’t yet come close to maximizing their existing credits under the law.

A new Ford Mach 1 all-electric performance SUV is coming in 2020

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:13:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:14:25pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:15:40pm

Mercedes revealed its all-electric SUV, seems sharp. The article below does not know pricing, but I think lower than they were thinking. Best guess in the industry is $55,000, compared to $40,000 for comparable gasoline SUV.

electrek.co

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Old Liberal  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:18:23pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

I experienced the same thing, mine got better right before the diagnosis. I’m glad you are reaching out and sharing. It’s a hard loss

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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:18:24pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

[The word for someone like this is “chump.” With Trump, loyalty only goes one way.]

Cohen is the Floyd Landis of this Tour de Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:19:13pm

Just blocked someone ranting at me over the tweets I posted yesterday about Alec Baldwin lame-ass Trump impression. There’s something about social media that turns a lot of humans weird.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:19:49pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Fierce loyalty drove all these con artists and grifters to break multiple federal and state laws for Trump?

Yeah, I stand by my longstanding claim that Trumpworld is a criminal syndicate. They might be dumber than a bag of hammers, but the one thing that they succeeded in doing was conning the GOP into revealing their true nature as a white nationalist party that cares only to redistribute wealth to millionaires and shit on everyone else.

That includes the GOP base that thought Trump was going to help them.

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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:22:47pm

re: #86 lawhawk

Fierce loyalty drove all these con artists and grifters to break multiple federal and state laws for Trump?

Yeah, I stand by my longstanding claim that Trumpworld is a criminal syndicate. They might be dumber than a bag of hammers, but the one thing that they succeeded in doing was conning the GOP into revealing their true nature as a white nationalist party that cares only to redistribute wealth to millionaires and shit on everyone else.

That includes the GOP base that thought Trump was going to help them.

They called it ‘trickle down’, but it always turns out to be #2.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:23:07pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Just blocked someone ranting at me over the tweets I posted yesterday about Alec Baldwin lame-ass Trump impression. There’s something about social media that turns a lot of humans weird.

Being able to be a dick and knowing people can’t do much.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:23:34pm

re: #83 Old Liberal

I experienced the same thing, mine got better right before the diagnosis. I’m glad you are reaching out and sharing. It’s a hard loss

Thanks. Truly is.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:24:31pm

re: #82 BlueSpotinAL

Mercedes revealed its all-electric SUV, seems sharp. The article below does not know pricing, but I think lower than they were thinking. Best guess in the industry is $55,000, compared to $40,000 for comparable gasoline SUV.

electrek.co

Overall I like it but I hate faux grills on evs. I wish more manufacturers would stop doing that.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:27:26pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:30:30pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sorry to go OT but we just got back from putting my dog down. I’ve lost a dog before but only in sleep. Tears here.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:30:30pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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He’d probably use human remains stacked as cordwood for his version of Jenga.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:30:36pm

re: #82 BlueSpotinAL

Mercedes revealed its all-electric SUV, seems sharp. The article below does not know pricing, but I think lower than they were thinking. Best guess in the industry is $55,000, compared to $40,000 for comparable gasoline SUV.

electrek.co

That looks similar to the GLE SUV that MB currently has, and those start at $55,700. Have to add the premium for those Mercedes badges.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:30:44pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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I wouldn’t know it was Pol Pot. And besides Pol Pot’s problem wasn’t being unattractive or a fireside jenga player, it was being a murderer.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:30:53pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:31:44pm

re: #94 KGxvi

Or it could be closer to the GLC SUV, which does start at $40,700.

But I’m guessing there are many at that starting price generally.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:32:01pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

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Christmas Jenga with Uncle Pol, directed by Oliver Stone.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:34:57pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

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Wait is he the kind of zombie that walks into a fire or is scared of fire? Because either way, I’m pushing him in the fire.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:35:50pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Overall I like it but I hate faux grills on evs. I wish more manufacturers would stop doing that.

Remember VW Passats of the early 90s (B3 model)?

They had no grill. They were gas models but the cooling air was pulled from under the bumper where there was a wide opening.

Didn’t sell, people thought it was weird looking.

By 1993 they put a grill in them (B4). Same car, just had the plastic grill added, and they sold better.

People can be strange about new concepts and styles.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:36:08pm

Also, what kind of zombie has the motor skills and cognizance to play jenga?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:37:41pm

re: #65 dangerman

in case anyone cares about this morning’s discussion re tuna and salmon ….

I won’t touch canned salmon but actually prefer canned tuna to fresh tuna. The discussion was confusing. There are cans of tuna with easy open tops that don’t require a can opener; why was no one mentioning that as an option?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:38:36pm

re: #101 KGxvi

Also, what kind of zombie has the motor skills and cognizance to play jenga?

Probably just knock the damn thing over and attack you.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:38:55pm

re: #101 KGxvi

Also, what kind of zombie has the motor skills and cognizance to play jenga?

Warm Bodies zombie might. At least the cognizance though maybe not the motor skills.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:39:39pm

Costco’s canned tuna rocks. It’s the best I’ve had. Can’t do the salmon though. brrrr

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:39:58pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Great dog. So many memories.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:40:12pm

So I start teaching my Beer judge certification class tonight.
The plan: have the participants taste almost all 110 subcategories
over a period of 11 weeks.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:40:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:40:52pm

And are Pot and I playing King’s Cup with Nixon, Kissinger, Ho, & others wearing ugly sweaters too?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:40:58pm

re: #54 sagehen

Charles Manson almost got a mistrial because Richard Nixon called him guilty.
thecrimson.com

But, Cohen has already been found (pled) guilty….right?

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:41:16pm

re: #107 BlueSpotinAL

So I start teaching my Beer judge certification class tonight.
The plan: have the participants taste almost all 110 subcategories
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Sure, Prof… but what am I going to do for the other ten weeks?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:41:56pm

Night of the Attractive Living Dead.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:42:41pm

re: #110 Dr. Matt

But, Cohen has already been found (pled) guilty….right?

More a worry about prosecutions that may result from his testimony than Cohen himself. Trumps counsel would be wise to shut their client up.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:42:44pm

re: #108 Kragar

All of this fanfare for George H.W. Bush got me thinkin… When Trump goes, how are we gonna remember him? 🤔
— Cyrus McQueen (@CyrusMMcQueen) December 2, 2018

Sadly, the media has such short memories and will go out of their way to lionize someone as vile and reprehensible as donnie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:42:57pm

re: #105 plansbandc

Costco’s canned tuna rocks. It’s the best I’ve had. Can’t do the salmon though. brrrr

Probably a good choice…

It was…THE SALMON MOUSSE!!!
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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:43:54pm

re: #100 ObserverArt

Remember VW Passats of the early 90s (B3 model)?

They had no grill. They were gas models but the cooling air was pulled from under the bumper where there was a wide opening.

Didn’t sell, people thought it was weird looking.

By 1993 they put a grill in them (B4). Same car, just had the plastic grill added, and they sold better.

People can be strange about new concepts and styles.

Remember the Edsel?

/we aren’t quite old enough, but I have seen ‘em moving down the road.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:45:03pm
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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:45:48pm

re: #108 Kragar

How about the Roman practice of damnatio memoriae?

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:46:48pm

re: #99 KGxvi

Wait is he the kind of zombie that walks into a fire or is scared of fire? Because either way, I’m pushing him in the fire.

Double tap… just to be sure.

Remember the rules…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:46:55pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

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OFFS. Such a stupid hot take by a stupid person.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:48:11pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Remember the Edsel?

/we aren’t quite old enough, but I have seen ‘em moving down the road.

Sure do. I’m a car fanatic.

They were hated for that big central grill/nose. 25 to 30 years later and that big central grill/nose was on several cars.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:50:17pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:52:00pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Sure do. I’m a car fanatic.

They were hated for that big central grill/nose. 25 to 30 years later and that big central grill/nose was on several cars.

I can’t remember where I read that they were hated for looking feminine up front, instead of masculine.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:52:02pm

re: #100 ObserverArt

Remember VW Passats of the early 90s (B3 model)?

They had no grill. They were gas models but the cooling air was pulled from under the bumper where there was a wide opening.

Didn’t sell, people thought it was weird looking.

By 1993 they put a grill in them (B4). Same car, just had the plastic grill added, and they sold better.

People can be strange about new concepts and styles.

We had one of those.

When The Older Boy was born, we had two 2-door cars. We quickly determined that we needed something with 4 doors. Mrs. FBW and I went in to make the purchase, taking TOB along with us. As babies are wont to do, he got hungry, so Mrs. FBW breastfed him in the sales office. And as they are wont to do when fed, TOB needed a diaper change.

Because we handled all this with total nonchalance, and because when the guy said, “I’m sorry, that’s the best I can do”, Mrs. FBW and I looked at each other and started getting ready to leave, the salesman panicked and went ‘to talk to his manager’ and came down to withing a couple hundred of our price.

That car served our family well for 11 years, except for 2 things - fuel pumps, and the heating/AC module in the dashboard, which required replacing twice.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:53:05pm

re: #122 Single-handed sailor

Essentially a 5 month window for discovery. That’s somewhat aggressive. The writ of mandamus to the Fourth Circuit is going to be interesting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:55:52pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Remember the Edsel?

/we aren’t quite old enough, but I have seen ‘em moving down the road.

I think there was a guy who lived near us who had one of those when i was a kid.

Interestingly the 1960 Edsels did not have the ‘horse collar’ grille. They looked more generically Ford-like.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:55:58pm

Trump has done the impossible; given us an appreciation for the grace, dignity and statesmanlike qualities of Dan Quayle.
‘George Bush was absolutely the best’: former VP Dan Quayle pays tribute to his late boss

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 1:56:50pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

We had one of those.

When The Older Boy was born, we had two 2-door cars. We quickly determined that we needed something with 4 doors. Mrs. FBW and I went in to make the purchase, taking TOB along with us. As babies are wont to do, he got hungry, so Mrs. FBW breastfed him in the sales office. And as they are wont to do when fed, TOB needed a diaper change.

Because we handled all this with total nonchalance, and because when the guy said, “I’m sorry, that’s the best I can do”, Mrs. FBW and I looked at each other and started getting ready to leave, the salesman panicked and went ‘to talk to his manager’ and came down to withing a couple hundred of our price.

That car served our family well for 11 years, except for 2 things - fuel pumps, and the heating/AC module in the dashboard, which required replacing twice.

As kids, my sister and I went with our folks to buy a new car. The salesman was right out of central casting and did the “what price do you want to pay for this car?” bit, so my dad gave him a stupid low number. The salesman came back with the sticker price, and my dad said, “fuck you, we’re leaving.” The salesman was offended and my dad said, “you asked me what I wanted to pay, what did you expect?”

We got a car somewhere else.

But I do remember the whole “let me talk to my manager, see if there’s something we can do” part of car shopping. Thankfully it’s mostly gone away.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:00:08pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

You know who’s really going to be pissed off at Trump over ending the EV tax credit? Ford. The Focus and Fusion evs don’t stand out right now and aren’t selling in big numbers, so they’re planning to roll out a performance SUV model in 2020. Yanking the tax credit fucks them over royally. Same with Porsche, BMW, VW and Mercedes Benz, who have anemic sales and/or models in the pipeline and haven’t yet come close to maximizing their existing credits under the law.

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As a Chevy Bolt owner, the other thing this maneuver does is promote the perception that EVs aren’t a viable, long-term strategy.

I deal with enough people who think my car conks out after 20 miles or 18 minutes, whichever comes first. The federal government washing their hands of trying to help EVs to market just reinforces the misplaced notion that these things are not viable, daily-use vehicles

Frank hits the nail on the head: the clock may be running out for Chevy, Tesla, and Nissan regarding the rebates, but there’s plenty of other car companies who haven’t scratched the surface yet.

In essence, this is Trump trying to set back EV adoption in the US by a few decades, if not permanently.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:00:51pm
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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:02:09pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

So sorry, dude. It’s rough. I’ve had to say good bye to three beloved pets over the years (the last one being our Boxer a few years ago), and it’s never easy.

Hang in there.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:03:27pm

re: #122 Single-handed sailor

Looks like The Don and his lawyers are gonna be kept real busy next year.

It is now coming at him from multiple directions and for multiple infractions.

I hope they take him for at least the amount of profit money he has gotten since winning in November of 2016, plus penalties and interest.

The Don and his sleazy grifter clan need to be taught a lesson or three.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:05:34pm

re: #129 Mattand

As a Chevy Bolt owner, the other thing this maneuver does is promote the perception that EVs aren’t a viable, long-term strategy.

I deal with enough people who think my car conks out after 20 miles or 18 minutes, whichever come first. The federal government washing their hands of trying to help EVs to market just reinforces the misplace notion that these things are viable, daily-use vehicles

Frank hits the nail on the head: the clock may be running out for Chevy, Tesla, and Nissan regarding the rebates, but there’s plenty of other car companies who haven’t scratched the surface yet.

In essence, this is Trump trying to set back EV adoption in the US by a few decades, if not permanently.

There is a viability problem if you don’t have a garage/driveway to charge them in overnight. I drive a Fusion hybrid for work, and while I can charge it while at the office, I can’t charge it over night.

I think that, combined with long charging times (on a standard residential plug), is holding back EVs more than anything.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:06:20pm

re: #128 KGxvi

As kids, my sister and I went with our folks to buy a new car. The salesman was right out of central casting and did the “what price do you want to pay for this car?” bit, so my dad gave him a stupid low number. The salesman came back with the sticker price, and my dad said, “fuck you, we’re leaving.” The salesman was offended and my dad said, “you asked me what I wanted to pay, what did you expect?”

We got a car somewhere else.

But I do remember the whole “let me talk to my manager, see if there’s something we can do” part of car shopping. Thankfully it’s mostly gone away.

When I bought my GTI in 1986, I’d read a book on how car salesmen worked. I decided what I wanted, found the dealers ad that listed one at a price I liked. The dealer and I were $2000 apart on a red one with a sunroof and AC, and I finally got tired and pulled out their ad and said, “I’d like to see this one”.

The salesman responded with the obligatory “I think that’s been sold.”

So I said, “Could you check on that, please?”

He came back and said, “You want the white one for the sale price?” Yes, I did.

I’d taken the Not-Yet-Mrs. FBW with me, and when they sent us off to the Finance Manager to try to get some money out of us, the FM tried to sell us and extended warranty on it, because ‘you just never know’. Not-Yet-Mrs. FBW didn’t bat an eye, and said, “Well, we believe Volkswagens are pretty well-made cars, so we’re not interested.”

The FM looked daggers at her.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:07:10pm

re: #130 Single-handed sailor

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How do you remove something that’s everywhere from anywhere?

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:12:33pm

re: #130 Single-handed sailor

Colt’s patent on the AR-15 expired in 1977, that probably has more to do with school shootings than a 1963 Supreme Court decision. And the Glock 17 was introduced in 1983, guessing that probably matters too.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:16:30pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:17:09pm

Ugh. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan speaking at the Bush service at The U.S. Capitol Building.

They don’t measure up for the job. It’s kind of sad really.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:17:12pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:18:05pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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Depends, are we talking a voodoo zombie? Romero zombie? Rage zombie? A O’Bannon zombie? A T-virus zombie?

As a zombie genre fan, I’m missing vital info here.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:19:02pm

Happy and Sir John - just got back in.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your pets. In a perfect world, our pets would live as long as we do.

Condolences to you both.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:20:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:27:03pm

re: #141 makeitstop

Happy and Sir John - just got back in.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your pets. In a perfect world, our pets would live as long as we do.

Condolences to you both.

Thank you. Yep I feel the same way. Growing old with your dog, that would be wonderful but it’s only one way. I am just glad I got to let him know I loved him one last time.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:29:08pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

That image is at least a year old. I have a copy on my computer, downloaded last December

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Jay C  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:32:29pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

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I dunno: it’s FOX: “Treason for the Season” seems unremarkable for them….

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:33:17pm

re: #40 Kragar

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Here’s a link to the Guardian story:

theguardian.com

That boy, Milo, is in Deep Shit.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:34:37pm

As if this story couldn’t get any more infuriating:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:35:57pm

re: #146 austin_blue

Trying to….

…nope, can’t find any sympathy for him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:36:20pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

As if this story couldn’t get any more infuriating:

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It reminds me of reading about black WWII vets getting murdered and lynched. That inspired Truman to take drastic for that time action on Civil Rights. Trump meanwhile could care less about this problem.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:37:23pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

why do I have a feeling that if there’s body cam footage, it’s going to show that Bradford did not have his gun drawn?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:38:58pm
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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:39:11pm

re: #142 makeitstop

But I thought Pompeo and Mattis had that covered?

not enough //// in the world for that.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:39:30pm

re: #40 Kragar

Oops. Beat me to it…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:39:37pm
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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:40:39pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

looks like someone took a wrong turn at Albuquerque

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:41:25pm

re: #150 KGxvi

why do I have a feeling that if there’s body cam footage, it’s going to show that Bradford did not have his gun drawn?

Better question: Are we ever going to see that footage without a prolonged court battle?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:42:20pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

Better question: Are we ever going to see that footage without a prolonged court battle?

I hope the county where this happened got a new DA.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:44:47pm

HAPPY HANUKKAH!! 2nd Light!

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mmmirele  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:45:03pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My cats never liked the snow. I could let them outside and they’d paw at it and then meow plaintively to be let in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:46:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:46:20pm

re: #146 austin_blue

Here’s a link to the Guardian story:

theguardian.com

That boy, Milo, is in Deep Shit.

Yeah, but if it’s 2 Million AUSTRALIAN dollars, it’s slightly less deep…

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:47:13pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Remember the Edsel?

/we aren’t quite old enough, but I have seen ‘em moving down the road.

I remember waiting eagerly for its hyped release. Oldsmobile sucking on a lemon.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:47:21pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but it it’s 2 Million AUSTRALIAN dollars, it’s slightly less deep…

There upside down dollars, so, actually, they owe him.

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:47:44pm

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

Trying to….

…nope, can’t find any sympathy for him.

Me neither!

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jeffreyw  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:49:59pm

re: #159 mmmirele

My cats never liked the snow. I could let them outside and they’d paw at it and then meow plaintively to be let in.

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Guys? Hey! NOT FUNNY ANY MORE!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:57:15pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2018 • 2:59:13pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Probably a good choice…

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“But I didn’t have the salmon mousse….”

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:03:21pm

He lost his job, but among Q-fools that only will increase his credibility.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:05:08pm

re: #168 Barefoot Grin

He lost his job, but among Q-fools that only will increase his credibility.

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Bye bye

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ibob  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:07:46pm

My mother died last night. It was unexpected.

She had progressive dementia from a stroke several years ago and did not recognize my sister or me anymore. This has still hit me harder than I expected since I have long thought it would have been a blessing if she had died with the stroke. This is especially true knowing how active my mother had been until just a few years before the stroke.

I’m remembering her as she used to be. She was into so many things before anyone else - balloons, colored stockings, folk dancing, massages, black holes, aromatherapy, mediation, etc. My sister once said only our mother would have taken a class on how to breathe.

She is to be cremated. We will not be having a memorial service. Instead, my sister and I are going to have someone take us up in a hot air balloon to spread her ashes. This would be exactly what she would want since she took her first hot air balloon ride in 1978.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:08:19pm

re: #168 Barefoot Grin

He lost his job, but among Q-fools that only will increase his credibility.

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THIS PROVES EVERYTHING Q SAID!!!!!

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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:08:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:08:31pm

re: #170 ibob

{{gentle hugs}}

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:12:01pm

re: #170 ibob

{{{ibob}}}

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:12:43pm

re: #170 ibob

condolences.

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calochortus  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:13:17pm

re: #170 ibob

No matter how much you think you’re prepared, you’re not. I’m sure there are a lot of mixed emotions-I know I had them when my much loved mother died following a series of strokes. Be kind to yourself.
Oh, and the hot air balloon thing sounds awesome.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:15:02pm

re: #133 KGxvi

There is a viability problem if you don’t have a garage/driveway to charge them in overnight. I drive a Fusion hybrid for work, and while I can charge it while at the office, I can’t charge it over night.

I think that, combined with long charging times (on a standard residential plug), is holding back EVs more than anything.

I’ll spot you that. By far, the biggest reaction I personally run into is straight-up fear that the car is going to die in the middle of nowhere, and you’ll be devoured by a pack of wolves because gas-powered cars never, ever run out of fuel.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:16:00pm

re: #170 ibob

Condolences. Hang in there.

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ibob  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:17:50pm

The people I work with insisted that I take several days off. Just felt bad about rescheduling patients. I’m glad they did since I am a crying mess right now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:18:09pm

re: #170 ibob

We did not have a funeral for my Mom when she died. Mom and Dad had decided they didn’t want funerals, and Dad was too broken up in any case. Instead, we did a more informal memorial service at a time when we were all able to get together, about 4-5 months later.

It was what we needed, at a time when our grief was no longer raw and chaotic.

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calochortus  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:18:38pm

re: #177 Mattand

I’ll spot you that. By far, the biggest reaction I personally run into is straight-up fear that the car is going to die in the middle of nowhere, and you’ll be devoured by a pack of wolves because gas-powered cars never, ever run out of fuel.

Well, I’ve never run out of gas. Which probably explains why I haven’t been eaten by wolves.
That said, I think electric vehicles are aren’t for lot of people with long commutes or who travel significant distances for vacation or other purposes. There will ultimately be ways to overcome that, but right now, range is a problematic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:21:30pm

re: #181 calochortus

Well, I’ve never run out of gas. Which probably explains why I haven’t been eaten by wolves.
That said, I think electric vehicles are aren’t for lot of people with long commutes or who travel significant distances for vacation or other purposes. There will ultimately be ways to overcome that, but right now, range is a problematic.

I remember crossing Montana at night. The exits were so few and far between that I started getting anxious when the gas gauge dipped below 1/2. Something about seeing the taillights 1/2 mile ahead, and the headlights 1/2 mile behind, and passing other cars maybe every minute or two really made me nervous.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:23:02pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

So sorry for your loss.

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calochortus  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:25:50pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember crossing Montana at night. The exits were so few and far between that I started getting anxious when the gas gauge dipped below 1/2. Something about seeing the taillights 1/2 mile ahead, and the headlights 1/2 mile behind, and passing other cars maybe every minute or two really made me nervous.

Kind of like driving through parts of Nevada and Utah. Being a Nervous Nellie, I insist on topping off the gas more than is strictly necessary.

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Old Liberal  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:27:21pm

re: #179 ibob

I’m sorry you lost your mom and that stroke affected her like that. Grieve however you need whenever you need.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:27:27pm

Since the vote here in California should be certified on Thursday, I figured I’d take a look at what are basically final numbers. Some interesting things:

First, it looks like Newsom won Orange County, by the slimmest of margins, over 1.8m ballots cast behind the Orange Curtain and Newsom is going to win by about 4000 votes. For comparison’s sake: Brown lost Orange County by 11% four years ago with just over 600,000 votes cast, and lost it by 19% eight years ago with about 900,000 votes cast.

Second, it looks like having two general election candidates from the same party results in an undervote of between 11-17%. The governor’s race got 12.2m votes total (Newsom won 7.58m of those votes), and the Secretary of State, Controller, Treasurer, and Attorney General elections all had right around 12m votes cast. The Lt Governor’s race, which saw two Democrats face off only drew 10.2m votes. The Senate race, which also had two Democrats was at 10.9m. Those were closer to the non-partisan Superintendent of Public Education vote totals (10.4m) than the others. The Insurance Commissioner race that saw a Democrat vs a former Republican running as an Independent saw 11.5m votes cast.

In the D vs R races, the Democrats all got over 7.5m votes. In the D vs D races, they got less than 6m votes. In the D vs I race, the winner got just over 6m; and in the Superintendent race, the winner was just under 5.3m.

Lastly, it looks like Democrats will have a super majority in both chambers of the legislature. Which is important because the state constitution requires a super majority to raise taxes (something I’m hoping they don’t do, or at least don’t do too much of).

Not quite sure what it all means. But that’s basically what one party rule looks like in California.

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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:28:02pm
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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:30:41pm

re: #184 calochortus

Kind of like driving through parts of Nevada and Utah. Being a Nervous Nellie, I insist on topping off the gas more than is strictly necessary.

Vegas to Phoenix. Did that one a few times. Weirdest part were the towns that would suddenly pop up on the highway in Arizona.

I drive a lot for work, since I’m with the family business again (construction) and am mostly responsible for pre-bid job walks. It usually means I’m logging over 100 miles per day in the greater LA area. Even with a hybrid that gets 42-50 miles to the gallon (depending on how much I can charge it), I’m still filling up once a week.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:32:23pm

re: #181 calochortus

Well, I’ve never run out of gas. Which probably explains why I haven’t been eaten by wolves.
That said, I think electric vehicles are aren’t for lot of people with long commutes or who travel significant distances for vacation or other purposes. There will ultimately be ways to overcome that, but right now, range is a problematic.

I was doing 80 miles a day, five days a week to Wilmington, DE at the beginning of the year. I do have a Level 2 charger (the ones you usually see out in public) installed in the garage. Charge overnight and you’re good to go the next day.

As KGxvi said, this is a problem if you don’t have somewhere to actually put a charger. That said, a lot of people I talk to about the car do have the space for a charger. They just get stuck on the idea that the car eventually dying somewhere and they’ll have to be airlifted back to civilization is a given.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:32:39pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

I guess Trump heard about Doug Ford’s ending renewable subsidies and thought, “What a great idea!”

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:35:10pm

re: #170 ibob

My mother died last night. It was unexpected.

Peace to you and your sister.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:35:20pm

re: #170 ibob

Sad news. Condolences to you and your family.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:36:23pm

re: #187 gocart mozart

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I’m sorry, but I want the name of every person that votes for this Republican the second time so I know who to tell at if I ever visit. (I was thinking something worse but I decided against it.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:38:13pm

re: #184 calochortus

Regarding the range issue, while it’s a valid point, I think that it’s more a perception issue than an actual inconvenience, at least for most people. Once you get the range up over 100 miles, you’ve covered the driving habits of most people. Go over 200 miles, like the Chevy Bolt or Tesla Model 3, and you’ve covered everything but long road trips. Then, your biggest issue becomes charging time and number of charging stations.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:38:21pm

re: #10 Sir John Barron

Sorry to hear that. I know that’s a hard decision to make.

One of my cats passed away yesterday. He had been ill for some time but was still eating and everything else until yesterday morning. He passed while I was out, which was new for me.

Sorry to hear that. I grew up with two cats. They’re great, idiosyncratic little companions. Hang in there.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:40:21pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

Regarding the range issue, while it’s a valid point, I think that it’s more a perception issue than an actual inconvenience, at least for most people. Once you get the range up over 100 miles, you’ve covered the driving habits of most people. Go over 200 miles, like the Chevy Bolt or Tesla Model 3, and you’ve covered everything but long road trips. Then, your biggest issue becomes charging time and number of charging stations.

This.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:40:26pm

re: #184 calochortus

Kind of like driving through parts of Nevada and Utah. Being a Nervous Nellie, I insist on topping off the gas more than is strictly necessary.

Southern Utah is pretty bad. I’ve driven through a couple of times, and there’s nothing for about 100 miles once you get west of the Green River/Moab area. Beautiful country though.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:42:16pm

re: #197 Mike Lamb

Southern Utah is pretty bad. I’ve driven through a couple of times, and there’s nothing for about 100 miles once you get west of the Green River/Moab area. Beautiful country though.

LOL, I’m heading there in the spring. Appreciate the heads up

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:43:19pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Night of the Attractive Living Dead.

It’s been done.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:52:08pm

Update on my Dad.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:53:04pm

Psalm 31:18 (NIV)

“Let their lying lips be silenced,
for with pride and contempt
they speak arrogantly against the righteous.”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:53:57pm

FYI cooks of all genres

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:55:18pm

re: #170 ibob

I’m so sorry for your loss.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:56:39pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:56:45pm

re: #170 ibob

My deepest sympathy to you and your family. No matter how prepared you think you are, it’s always a shock.

{{{ibob}}}

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:59:25pm

I think Cooper has a point here (click through and read the thread), but, like McCain, I think GHWB has gained a lot of stature in people’s minds by comparison with Trump.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 3, 2018 • 3:59:44pm

re: #150 KGxvi

why do I have a feeling that if there’s body cam footage, it’s going to show that Bradford did not have his gun drawn?

This was inside a mall, I am sure there is security footage as well. The local city (Hoover) police were the one(s) who fired the shots, but the AL state Law Enforcement Agency (ALEA) is doing the investigation, so Hoover City PD is not in charge. It is extremely reckless to discharge a weapon in a mall, unless you think the other person is actively firing. The person now publicly accused of being the shooter was arrested in Atlanta a few days ago. ALEA has asked that footage not be released (yet) (why?), but Hoover may or may not release footage themselves. If Emantic Bradford had a carry permit, seeing a gun (the latest verbiage I saw) is not the same as drawing a gun which is not the same as brandishing. So the story so far: 1) quick response, killed shooter 2) oops not person who killed someone in the mall, but brandishing a gun 3) saw a gun.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:04:14pm

In the spirit of the Holiday Season…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:06:44pm

re: #170 ibob

My condolences. My mom passed suddenly in ‘94. She had been complaining of a bad cold a few days before. On Sunday morning, I went down to her room to ask her about her breakfast preferences and found her on the floor next to her bed. She’d had a fatal stroke on the way back from the bathroom. She was 80, and spent the last few years of her life living with me and her grandkids. A pretty good way to go.

{{ibob}}

re: #10 Sir John Barron

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Condolences to you two, as well. I’ve outlived far too many canine and feline companions. They still live with me in my memories.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:06:56pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

I think Cooper has a point here (click through and read the thread), but, like McCain, I think GHWB has gained a lot of stature in people’s minds by comparison with Trump.

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I think there’s truth to that. I really think there is a way to talk about someone’s political legacy without getting too nasty. There’s a good amount of Bush’s career and character to laud but there are also some that deserve criticism. That said, having just lost a loved one myself, I know the sadness the Bush family is feeling right now even though President Bush had a good run and I actually remember feeling the same as his granddaughter Jenna did when my own Nana died thirteen years ago that at least there would be a reunion with loved ones in the next life. And as my loved one was a dog, I know that President and Mrs. Bush loved Millie too.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:10:54pm

re: #170 ibob

I’m so very sorry. (((((hugs)))))

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:16:34pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

I think Cooper has a point here (click through and read the thread), but, like McCain, I think GHWB has gained a lot of stature in people’s minds by comparison with Trump.

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The hagiography is a reminder of just how “liberal” the so-called MSM really is. I’m fine with honoring Bush, Sr. as he should be honored, but jfc the 24/7 attention, especially from MSNBC….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:17:53pm

re: #212 Barefoot Grin

The hagiography is a reminder of just how “liberal” the so-called MSM really is. I’m fine with honoring Bush, Sr. as he should be honored, but jfc the 24/7 attention, especially from MSNBC….

The first death I really remember this being a thing was with Princess Diana then Reagan perhaps and then Pope John Paul II.

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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:20:22pm

yup

Tape a Nickel to the Tonearm

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:21:03pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

The first death I really remember this being a thing was with Princess Diana then Reagan perhaps and then Pope John Paul II.

I was in a garage band in high school and one of the first stupid songs I wrote that thankfully never saw the light of day was “Die Lady Di.” I was so sick of the tabloid exposure. It was going to be a shock song. And then, of course, she died. I felt so dumb.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:21:08pm

re: #170 ibob

{{{{{{{{{{{{ibob}}}}}}}}}}}}

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:22:52pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sorry to go OT but we just got back from putting my dog down. I’ve lost a dog before but only in sleep. Tears here.

So sorry to hear this news, HW. ((HW))

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:23:06pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

Regarding the range issue, while it’s a valid point, I think that it’s more a perception issue than an actual inconvenience, at least for most people. Once you get the range up over 100 miles, you’ve covered the driving habits of most people. Go over 200 miles, like the Chevy Bolt or Tesla Model 3, and you’ve covered everything but long road trips. Then, your biggest issue becomes charging time and number of charging stations.

My 2002 Ford Focus got 250 miles on a tank if you were on the highway for most of it. So, yeah, 200 would cover most people.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:23:52pm

re: #170 ibob

((((ibob)))

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:27:11pm

re: #218 Belafon

My 2002 Ford Focus got 250 miles on a tank if you were on the highway for most of it. So, yeah, 200 would cover most people.

I guess the question for most people would be whether they ever take any trip longer than 150 miles away, and do they have another vehicle?

I had considered a hybrid when I bought my car, since I figured it would be just commuting. But I wanted something else.

That was 4 years ago, nearly 5, and electric cars have advanced a lot in that time.

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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:27:58pm
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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:29:34pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

I love how many references are in this reply:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:30:51pm

Lre: #215 Barefoot Grin

I was in a garage band in high school and one of the first stupid songs I wrote that thankfully never saw the light of day was “Die Lady Di.” I was so sick of the tabloid exposure. It was going to be a shock song. And then, of course, she died. I felt so dumb.

Ha. I mean what gets me about the media is how one sided in the narrative they create legacies. When Reagan died, a lot of focus on how he made people feel proud to be Americans again and by all means talk about that but also point he wasn’t above scapegoating minorities for political gain or that his response to the AIDS crisis stank. You can be critical without creating a saint and Bush is no exception. ADA, Clean Air, & his leadership transitioning the world to a post USSR one- a world I might add he never knew are commendable but Willie Horton, Iran Contra, & abandoning principles a lot of positions to sow up the Reaganites support.i don’t see him as evil but definitely someone who does require a fair look at him good and bad.

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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:31:18pm
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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:35:26pm

re: #199 Romantic Heretic

It’s been done.

Jenna Jameson’s IMDB picture. Hmmmmmmm…..

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calochortus  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:38:13pm

Long phone call with friend intervened with my participation here, and it’s almost time to start dinner, but I didn’t want to just disappear. BBL

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piratedan  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:39:41pm

re: #214 gocart mozart

I went for The Pandora’s cover of the old Mindbenders tune from To Sir, With Love

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Scout  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:44:05pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve never seen any POTUS death this hagiographic

I don’t think this is anything compared to Reagan.

(A complete aside: I couldn’t stand Reagan either.)

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MsJ  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:45:55pm

re: #30 Belafon

I’m confused on who to root for here.

The dachschund is ok. That’s who I’m rooting for.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:47:42pm
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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:50:08pm

evening lizards, he sure showed us

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:55:28pm

re: #231 bd(Scott Free)

evening lizards, he sure showed us

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I might feel more bad if he looked at himself objectively instead of remaining an arrogant little prick. You weren’t blacklisted and your downfall began when the right, your allies remembered their homophobia came first. No way you’d be under their bus if you talked about underaged women. It’s okay tho Milo. In five years, you can appear on a FNC reality show and you and Ben Shapiro can remisince together about bullying trans people.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 4:56:15pm

re: #231 bd(Scott Free)

evening lizards, he sure showed us

Since Milo helped get Trump elected and all that, maybe The Trump Foundation can see it’s way to help a brother out on his debts.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:01:48pm

re: #233 ObserverArt

Since Milo helped get Trump elected and all that, maybe The Trump Foundation can see it’s way to help a brother out on his debts.

Haha. Maybe he should.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:06:12pm

re: #233 ObserverArt

Since Milo helped get Trump elected and all that, maybe The Trump Foundation can see it’s way to help a brother out on his debts.

Maybe Putin can put him up at Snowden’s dacha.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:08:19pm

re: #235 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Maybe Putin can put him up at Snowden’s dacha.

St. Vladimir’s Home for Unwed Motherfuckers.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:08:20pm

re: #233 ObserverArt

Since Milo helped get Trump elected and all that, maybe The Trump Foundation can see it’s way to help a brother out on his debts.

it’s the only decent thing to do

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:09:18pm

re: #235 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Maybe Putin can put him up at Snowden’s dacha.

That would be perfectly fine with me, make him be roomies with Snowden.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:11:03pm

Make Milo have to pick up Trump’s food and be around him when he’s angry.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:13:40pm

re: #231 bd(Scott Free)

evening lizards, he sure showed us

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Milo’s story is a precautionary one to young wingnut “celebrities”: Eventually, the welfare dries up, so don’t spend it all in one place. Today, you’re the hottest thing around. But tomorrow, you’re gonna be penniless or handcuffing yourself to Twitter’s front door.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:17:35pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

Milo’s story is a precautionary one to young wingnut “celebrities”: Eventually, the welfare dries up, so don’t spend it all in one place. Today, you’re the hottest thing around. But tomorrow, you’re gonna be penniless or handcuffing yourself to Twitter’s front door.

They won’t learn tho. Quick cash and pissing off the libs.

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Jay C  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:18:13pm

re: #212 Barefoot Grin

The hagiography is a reminder of just how “liberal” the so-called MSM really is. I’m fine with honoring Bush, Sr. as he should be honored, but jfc the 24/7 attention, especially from MSNBC….

I just have to wonder, though how adulatory the coverage of the next ex-Presidential funeral is likely to be: unfortunately, just by the numbers, probably Jimmy Carter’s.

Somehow, I’m thinking “hagiographic” is not going to be the general tone.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:19:49pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

Milo’s story is a precautionary one to young wingnut “celebrities”: Eventually, the welfare dries up, so don’t spend it all in one place. Today, you’re the hottest thing around. But tomorrow, you’re gonna be penniless or handcuffing yourself to Twitter’s front door.

These are the kids who still look to Jim Hoft for breaking news, they’re not too keen on the whole learning from your mistakes thing

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:21:33pm

Milo is straight up trash.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:23:07pm

re: #243 bd(Scott Free)

These are the kids who still look to Jim Hoft for breaking news, they’re not too keen on the whole learning from your mistakes thing

Jacob Wohl comes to mind.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:23:37pm

re: #244 Ace Rothstein

Milo is straight up trash.

He’s got deep issues but he should have just to get them addressed instead of being a right wing shitbird.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:24:15pm

re: #242 Jay C

I just have to wonder, though how adulatory the coverage of the next ex-Presidential funeral is likely to be: unfortunately, just by the numbers, probably Jimmy Carter’s.

Somehow, I’m thinking “hagiographic” is not going to be the general tone.

Considering of the current living ex-presidents only one (Dubya) is a Republican? Yeah, I rather suspect the next one is going to be full of “He was a good man, but a shit president” editorializing.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:25:10pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

Considering of the current living ex-presidents only one (Dubya) is a Republican? Yeah, I rather suspect the next one is going to be full of “He was a good man, but a shit president” editorializing.

From the left.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:25:47pm

It will be far worse from the right.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:25:50pm

Yeah Carter’s not going to get this kind of send off. And I think that’s really unfortunate.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:26:30pm

Milo really serves as a cautionary tale in two ways. The first is “Don’t assume your ‘success’ is a long-term thing,” the other is “Wingnuts will turn on anyone who is not ‘Of The Body’ in a fucking heartbeat.” If you’re gay, a racial/religious minority, or female? They will turn on you faster than a school of piranhas stripping a cow to the bone. And the result will be every bit as bloody.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:27:33pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:27:39pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Yeah Carter’s not going to get this kind of send off. And I think that’s really unfortunate.

Problem is that BIll’s gonna get it too. And Obama will get his own brand of “Yeah, he was a good president, but not a great one” where they bitch that the ACA was an accomplishment but single-payer would have been better.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:28:42pm

re: #251 Targetpractice

Milo really serves as a cautionary tale in two ways. The first is “Don’t assume your ‘success’ is a long-term thing,” the other is “Wingnuts will turn on anyone who is not ‘Of The Body’ in a fucking heartbeat.” If you’re gay, a racial/religious minority, or female? They will turn on you faster than a school of piranhas stripping a cow to the bone. And the result will be every bit as bloody.

I have no doubt at all that if Milo had talked about teenage girls the way he did teenage boys, he’d still be a toast of the alt-right movement. It reminds me of when I read about all the alt-right ladies being shocked that the guys were sexist and you know what fuck sexist bullshit but Face Leopard Party members, we warned you and you called us liberal beta cucks.

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retired cynic  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:28:50pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Remember the Edsel?

/we aren’t quite old enough, but I have seen ‘em moving down the road.

We had one. Great car! Weighed like a tank, but in a collision, it would win.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:29:19pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

Problem is that BIll’s gonna get it too. And Obama will get his own brand of “Yeah, he was a good president, but not a great one” where they bitch that the ACA was an accomplishment but single-payer would have been better.

True.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:29:48pm

re: #242 Jay C

I just have to wonder, though how adulatory the coverage of the next ex-Presidential funeral is likely to be: unfortunately, just by the numbers, probably Jimmy Carter’s.

Somehow, I’m thinking “hagiographic” is not going to be the general tone.

He’ll probably be buried near here. Wife and I will stand along the road.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:30:14pm

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

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Benghazi: 5 years and 9 investigations, not a single indictment or finding of criminal action.

“Emailgate”: 2 years and an FBI investigation, not a single indictment or finding of criminal action.

Mueller investigation: 2 years and 30+ indictments, 8 guilty pleas, and more to come.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:30:23pm

Here’s a badass:

I was able to successfully assist five asylum seekers—two unaccompanied minors, a mother and her nine year old child, and a young man with a serious medical condition—into the United States,” she tweeted Saturday. “Initially they were denied, in violation of U.S. and international law, but I was able to intervene and ensure that they could simply present themselves for asylum in the United States.”

Jayapal said in a Facebook Live video that the incident occurred when she was returning to the U.S. and walked behind the group without identifying herself to port of entry officials. When the asylum seekers tried to present themselves, “they were told that they couldn’t go in because that port was not accepting any asylum seekers and they were going to be turned away.”

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gwangung  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:35:01pm

re: #259 Belafon

My Rep.

You could say it’s a bit of grandstanding…but, hell, we NEED that to show what fucks are in ICE and CPB.

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BigPapa  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:36:49pm

Jayapal is on it.

I remember the ‘Year of the Woman’ long ago and I keep thinking that despite all the other horrid shit going on right now, 2018 was a real Year of the Woman. Largest Congressional woman percentage ever. And many of them are right in the thick of it.

This pleases me.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:38:05pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:40:05pm

re: #231 bd(Scott Free)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:41:08pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

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Agh. She’s come around on a lot but it just goes to show you. I’m fine with pointing out positive parts of the man’s presidency, he did have some, I’m not completely partisanship blinded but I’m not blind to the other parts too that unfortunately involve groups that the MSM doesn’t really give much voice to and need to be discussed. Discuss how he handled Desert Storm and the emerging post USSR world order, that deserves praise IMO but his Panama handling leaves to be desired and his critical involvement in Iran-Contra too. The media needs to understand when someone dies who had an impact on politics, you need to discuss everything.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:43:12pm

re: #260 gwangung

My Rep.

You could say it’s a bit of grandstanding…but, hell, we NEED that to show what fucks are in ICE and CPB.

I like her though. Didn’t know she was your Rep. Don’t know why I thought you were in SoCal rather than Seattle. She’s great though. She like AOC is another person who due to her background is a voice for people who are under-represented on a federal level.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:43:20pm

re: #170 ibob

Sorry for your loss, friend. Sending prayers and good juju your way.

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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:43:55pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:44:34pm
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Jay C  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:44:45pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

Considering of the current living ex-presidents only one (Dubya) is a Republican? Yeah, I rather suspect the next one is going to be full of “He was a good man, but a shit president” editorializing.

All of it likely to be (self-)cited as proof of their “balance” and “unbiased reporting”, of course.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:45:33pm

re: #242 Jay C

I just have to wonder, though how adulatory the coverage of the next ex-Presidential funeral is likely to be: unfortunately, just by the numbers, probably Jimmy Carter’s.

Somehow, I’m thinking “hagiographic” is not going to be the general tone.

As others have mentioned, the whole over-the-top adulation of McCain and now Bush is solely a MSM effort to thumb its collective nose at Trump —to praise Republicans who, for all their flaws, are so different in character and behavior from the deplorable current leader of their party, a party that no longer seems to have room for politicians of courage, ethics, or kindness.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:46:03pm

Scratch that possible exception from yesterday.

re: #84 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A reminder.
If you’re planning on having any interaction with a federal agency this coming week, probably don’t schedule it on Wednesday. Except maybe the Post Office
Also, the NYSE and Nasdaq will both be closed for the day

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:46:40pm

re: #263 gocart mozart

What is ETTD? Can’t keep up with the acronyms any more.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:47:45pm

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

What is ETTD? Can’t keep up with the acronyms any more.

Everything Trump Touches Dies

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Jay C  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:48:40pm

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

What is ETTD? Can’t keep up with the acronyms any more.

Apparently Everything Trump Touches Dies

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:49:17pm

re: #270 Hecuba’s daughter

As others have mentioned, the whole over-the-top adulation of McCain and now Bush is solely a MSM effort to thumb its collective nose at Trump —to praise Republicans who, for all their flaws, are so different in character and behavior from the deplorable current leader of their party, a party that no longer seems to have room for politicians of courage, ethics, or kindness.

I dunno. I felt Reagan’s faults got overlooked similarly in 2004.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:50:04pm

Theory: Perhaps the constant insanity that is the Trump Administration makes it that much easier to put on the rose colored glasses and reminisce about how much saner things seemed to be when Bush Sr. was President?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:50:07pm

re: #10 Sir John Barron

Sorry to hear that. I know that’s a hard decision to make.

One of my cats passed away yesterday. He had been ill for some time but was still eating and everything else until yesterday morning. He passed while I was out, which was new for me.

And I had to put my cat down last week. Cancer. Not a great week for the LGF pet community.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:50:11pm

JFC He’s fidgeting like a toddler on meth.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:51:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:52:16pm

re: #277 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

And I had to put my cat down last week. Cancer. Not a great week for the LGF pet community.

So near Christmas too. I always enjoy the holiday for the pets too. We always include them in our gifts.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:53:23pm

re: #278 The Vicious Babushka

JFC He’s fidgeting like a toddler on meth.

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Because he’s a toddler on meth.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:53:59pm

re: #278 The Vicious Babushka

JFC He’s fidgeting like a toddler on meth.

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“I don’t wanna be here, Melania. I could be at the golf course right now!”

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:54:57pm

re: #279 Single-handed sailor

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Shocker, governing by whim has not led to the sort of stability that businesses need in order to thrive.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:55:35pm

One of the best friends I ever had in my life died unexpectedly yesterday. He was also my boss. My mentor. I can’t even think straight. He owned the company I made a 30+ year career in. No sleep last night at all, the day spent working at the company and telling customers and friends he is gone. Just fucking gone.

Iframe

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:56:29pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:56:55pm

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

One of the best friends I ever had in my life died unexpectedly yesterday. He was also my boss. My mentor. I can’t even think straight. He owned the company I made a 30+ year career in. No sleep last night at all, the day spent working at the company and telling customers and friends he is gone. Just fucking gone.

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Damn man, sorry to hear that. What the fuck is going around here today?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:59:10pm

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

So sorry to hear that. I’ve been there too, when someone you care about dies unexpectedly, and you have my profoundest sympathies.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2018 • 5:59:57pm

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

So sorry to hear of your loss. My condolences to you and all who knew him.

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retired cynic  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:00:17pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

Benghazi: 5 years and 9 investigations, not a single indictment or finding of criminal action.

“Emailgate”: 2 years and an FBI investigation, not a single indictment or finding of criminal action.

Mueller investigation: 2 years and 30+ indictments, 8 guilty pleas, and more to come.

Not a full 2 years for Mueller, either. He’s efficient!

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:00:57pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:01:45pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:02:25pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

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Unsurprisingly, a quick Google search shows that restlessness is another symptom of Alzheimer’s. If not for the HIPAA, I’d consider suggesting House Dems look into his medical records, because it’s obvious that he is not well.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:02:50pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:03:08pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

So sorry to hear that. I’ve been there too, when someone you care about dies unexpectedly, and you have my profoundest sympathies.

Thank you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:03:20pm

re: #255 retired cynic

We had one. Great car! Weighed like a tank, but in a collision, it would win.

Unless you pushed “Drive” on the middle-of-the-steering-wheel gear selector and it shifted into reverse instead and lunged backwards into a light standard, like my Mom did. “We’re getting rid of this thing right now!” I took my driver’s test in that car. Flunked parallel parking for obvious reasons—20’ space, 18’ car….

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:03:51pm

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn man, sorry to hear that. What the fuck is going around here today?

A bad tide is in, but in time will recede to make way for better days.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:04:00pm

re: #291 Kragar

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You found out about your fstger’s adultery through tabloids, remember?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:04:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:04:26pm

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn man, sorry to hear that. What the fuck is going around here today?

Yeah tough day.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:05:48pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

Benghazi: 5 years and 9 investigations, not a single indictment or finding of criminal action.

“Emailgate”: 2 years and an FBI investigation, not a single indictment or finding of criminal action.

Mueller investigation: 2 years and 30+ indictments, 8 guilty pleas, and more to come.

Exactly why this has gone on too long and needs to be stopped!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:06:23pm

re: #296 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Unless you pushed “Drive” on the middle-of-the-steering-wheel gear selector and it shifted into reverse instead and lunged backwards into a light standard, like my Mom did. “We’re getting rid of this thing right now!” I took my driver’s test in that car. Flunked parallel parking for obvious reasons—20’ space, 18’ car….

I was looking at pictures of the 3 years of Edsels. Looked like they got rid of that feature after the first year. That and the drum speedometer.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:07:33pm

re: #293 Targetpractice

Unsurprisingly, a quick Google search shows that restlessness is another symptom of Alzheimer’s. If not for the HIPAA, I’d consider suggesting House Dems look into his medical records, because it’s obvious that he is not well.

There’s an argument to be made that the president’s health is a matter of national security. And given that one WH doctor press conference and subsequent failed VA appointment… there’s grounds to look at it

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:09:28pm

2018 has been lit

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:12:19pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

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I thought so too but he wasn’t brought up that way and he sure didn’t learn it from Jared.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:13:53pm

Broccoli rabe in egg salad? GTFO with that shit. What’s next, marshmallows in potato salad?

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:13:54pm

re: #303 KGxvi

There’s an argument to be made that the president’s health is a matter of national security. And given that one WH doctor press conference and subsequent failed VA appointment… there’s grounds to look at it

Combine that with the admission of his “long-time personal doctor” that he’d written up the infamous “healthiest candidate ever” letter in the back of a Trump limo on Donny’s orders? Yeah, you might be right that there’s grounds to look into his medical records as a matter of national security.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:15:05pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:15:15pm

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

Broccoli rabe in egg salad? GTFO with that shit. What’s next, marshmallows in potato salad?

Goldfish crackers used as topping on homemade mac and cheese.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:15:50pm

re: #309 Targetpractice

Goldfish crackers used as topping on homemade mac and cheese.

White people food sucks.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:17:18pm
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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:17:48pm

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

I am so very sorry. (((((hugs)))))

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:17:59pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

I was looking at pictures of the 3 years of Edsels. Looked like they got rid of that feature after the first year. That and the drum speedometer.

I forgot the drum speedometer! It had good brakes, though. The officer I took my driver’s test with was Barney Fife, only nasty. I was really tired of him by the time we got to the “stop as fast as you can on my signal” part of the festivities and just about sent him through the windshield. Pretty good for a huge car with four-wheel drums.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:18:41pm

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

One of the best friends I ever had in my life died unexpectedly yesterday. He was also my boss. My mentor. I can’t even think straight. He owned the company I made a 30+ year career in. No sleep last night at all, the day spent working at the company and telling customers and friends he is gone. Just fucking gone.

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Real sorry for the loss of your friend.

Life is the great unknown and sometimes it strikes so fast how it can be gone.

I know the feeling all too well. I’ve lost a couple close friends.

I hope the business can carry on. Peace to you and all those touched by him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:18:52pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:19:34pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:19:59pm

re: #308 bd(Scott Free)

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:21:21pm

re: #316 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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What still gets to me is that the bipartisan panel voted unanimously not to certify this election. In other words, even Republicans in this county agreed that Harris’ bullshit was so apparent that there was no way to excuse it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:22:46pm

re: #314 ObserverArt

My mission is to assist his legacy for the kids and crew. And that’s why my social political media went dark. Time to spend the time and effort closer to home, and sweep away distractions. Apart from this welcome oasis.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:23:21pm

Anyway, my sincerest sympathies to everyone who’s lost a friend (of whatever species) today, or at least mentioned it today. I know how that sucks, believe me.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:24:14pm

re: #317 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:24:20pm

About GHWB’s service dog, Sully:

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:24:33pm

re: #291 Kragar

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:25:19pm

re: #170 ibob

I’m terribly sorry for your loss. My condolences.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:25:42pm

The coveted Pierce endorsement.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:26:17pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

What still gets to me is that the bipartisan panel voted unanimously not to certify this election. In other words, even Republicans in this county agreed that Harris’ bullshit was so apparent that there was no way to excuse it.

I think it was the state board of elections that voted to not certify, not the county.

I also thought I saw somewhere that the BOE chairman(?), a Republican, resigned within the last day or so. And the NC GOP is in an uproar about the Democrat the NC Governor has put into the position

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:27:11pm

re: #296 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Unless you pushed “Drive” on the middle-of-the-steering-wheel gear selector and it shifted into reverse instead and lunged backwards into a light standard, like my Mom did. “We’re getting rid of this thing right now!” I took my driver’s test in that car. Flunked parallel parking for obvious reasons—20’ space, 18’ car….

In 1985, I took my driving test for a hardship license in a Plymouth station wagon. We didn’t think, back then, that I’d have to pass parallel parking, but they required it since I was getting one so I could drive my dad around when I was 15. So we spent the weekend learning how to parallel park it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:27:38pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

Regarding the range issue, while it’s a valid point, I think that it’s more a perception issue than an actual inconvenience, at least for most people. Once you get the range up over 100 miles, you’ve covered the driving habits of most people. Go over 200 miles, like the Chevy Bolt or Tesla Model 3, and you’ve covered everything but long road trips. Then, your biggest issue becomes charging time and number of charging stations.

Two hundred miles. So like about every trip I have to take beyond my local grocery store (local being sixteen miles one way).

As for being stranded out in the middle of nowhere and eaten by wolves, we don’t really have wolves here. We have mountain lions.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:27:46pm

re: #326 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I think it was the state board of elections that voted to not certify, not the county.

I also thought I saw somewhere that the BOE chairman(?), a Republican, resigned within the last day or so. And the NC GOP is in an uproar about the Democrat the NC Governor has put into the position

I do believe you’re right. I’ve been working so much these past few weeks that everything’s turned into a bit of a blur. By the way, how’s the war with Eastasia going?

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:28:54pm

re: #170 ibob

Nothing like Mom… My condolences and hopes for the family to remember the love and cope with the loss as well as can.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:29:45pm

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:32:36pm

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:32:53pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

Orson Scott Card soured even me with his homophobia, but I still liked the “Speaker for the Dead” concept from the book: Someone takes a year to learn about someone, and speaks the truth about them at a ceremony, both good and bad.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:35:58pm

re: #328 Anymouse 🌹

Two hundred miles. So like about every trip I have to take beyond my local grocery store (local being sixteen miles one way).

As for being stranded out in the middle of nowhere and eaten by wolves, we don’t really have wolves here. We have mountain lions.

There’s always exceptions. It might help if they had charging stations at the grocery stores.

When they get the electric trucks, I wonder it would would be good if enough of people from your town ordered online, the grocery store could go to your town once a week with your orders.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:37:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:39:33pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember crossing Montana at night. The exits were so few and far between that I started getting anxious when the gas gauge dipped below 1/2. Something about seeing the taillights 1/2 mile ahead, and the headlights 1/2 mile behind, and passing other cars maybe every minute or two really made me nervous.

Exits here on I-80 are a little closer, but after you pass Sidney going west, every one says “no services” until you get to Pine Bluffs, Wyoming, then again none until Cheyenne.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:40:13pm

re: #335 Charles Johnson

Seconded.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:40:30pm

re: #334 Belafon

There’s always exceptions. It might help if they had charging stations at the grocery stores.

When they get the electric trucks, I wonder it would would be good if enough of people from your town ordered online, the grocery store could go to your town once a week with your orders.

On-line? Bwahahaha. My Internet service was out again today (all day).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:41:11pm

re: #336 Anymouse 🌹

Exits here on I-80 are a little closer, but after you pass Sidney going west, every one says “no services” until you get to Pine Bluffs, Wyoming, then again none until Cheyenne.

There’s a stretch of interstate in Utah where there are no exits for 100 miles

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:42:31pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:43:37pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Sorry to go OT but we just got back from putting my dog down. I’ve lost a dog before but only in sleep. Tears here.

Today it seems was the darkest day since the Presidential election. So sorry to hear of your loss, I know it cuts so deeply. Hell of a start to the holiday season.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:44:35pm

I’m excited to be learning more of how Washington really works:

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:47:33pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:48:16pm

Apt observation in the title.

Iframe

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gwangung  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:48:24pm

re: #342 Belafon

Damn good point. This sort of thing filters out working class and poor people. AND it gives a distorted perspective to the politicians they’re serving. It makes it VERY easy for those politicians to get out of touch with the working class.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:49:19pm

re: #335 Charles Johnson

Don’t be. Like Bane, they were born of the darkness, nurtured by it. It was all they knew, it likely is all they still know. Not one of them has shown that they are any different than their father

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:49:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:52:04pm

re: #334 Belafon

There’s always exceptions. It might help if they had charging stations at the grocery stores.

When they get the electric trucks, I wonder it would would be good if enough of people from your town ordered online, the grocery store could go to your town once a week with your orders.

Hmmm. 5,000 people in the county, most don’t live in the county seat. That truck driver would sure be busy.

I get there are fewer rural people than urban ones, but “y’all should just stay home while we get to travel” doesn’t really fly well. Multiply that by most of the state being rural (out of more than two million people).

Without looking it up, I would guess about 100 million people live in rural areas in the USA. That’s an awful lot of people to say “just stay home” to and order your groceries (and everything else you need) on-line.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:52:11pm

re: #334 Belafon

There’s always exceptions. It might help if they had charging stations at the grocery stores.

When they get the electric trucks, I wonder it would would be good if enough of people from your town ordered online, the grocery store could go to your town once a week with your orders.

Target is going to start putting in Level 2 chargers at their locations. It’s a start.

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can't think of a decent username  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:54:21pm

Second “Captain Marvel” trailer, woooo!

Marvel Studios’ Captain Marvel - Trailer 2

Seems alright. Nice to see some more from the Skrulls. The bit with Nick Fury and the kitty was pretty good, too.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:54:22pm

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

One of the best friends I ever had in my life died unexpectedly yesterday. He was also my boss. My mentor. I can’t even think straight. He owned the company I made a 30+ year career in. No sleep last night at all, the day spent working at the company and telling customers and friends he is gone. Just fucking gone.

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Damn. So sorry to hear that. Condolences.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:56:50pm

re: #343 Kragar

So, a British friend of mine who had a responsible job here in NYC working for a well-respected non-profit had to leave the USA the moment her and her American husband declared their divorce, and this freak gets to stay here forever?

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MsJ  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:58:23pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

re: #10 Sir John Barron

re: #170 ibob

I’m so sorry for all of you. Losing a loved one is quite difficult whether they have two legs or four.

I’m so very sorry for all your pain.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:58:34pm

re: #345 gwangung

Damn good point. This sort of thing filters out working class and poor people. AND it gives a distorted perspective to the politicians they’re serving. It makes it VERY easy for those politicians to get out of touch with the working class.

I guess it depends on how you define working class.

I want my legislature and their staffs to be professional and paid accordingly. I don’t want them to be underpaid nor ilinformed. I want them to have the skills and knowledge to handle the issues that a legislature must deal with today.

Those qualifications might eliminate some working class people.

As for legislator staying connected to working class people, many of them probably were never really connected to working class people. And those who were probably remained so over the years

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 6:59:21pm

re: #348 Anymouse 🌹

Hmmm. 5,000 people in the county, most don’t live in the county seat. That truck driver would sure be busy.

I get there are fewer rural people than urban ones, but “y’all should just stay home while we get to travel” doesn’t really fly well. Multiply that by most of the state being rural (out of more than two million people).

Without looking it up, I would guess about 100 million people live in rural areas in the USA. That’s an awful lot of people to say “just stay home” to and order your groceries (and everything else you need) on-line.

Your original looked like a complaint about distance, and this looks like a complaint about solving the distance problem. It was actually just a suggestion on convenience.

Here’s my “urban” experience with grocery shopping: My wife orders online, and she drives up to the store and has it loaded in. Back in 1999, when we had a brief initial run with food delivery companies, ordering on line (over modem and later cable), we took advantage of them and would meet the truck at our house. We still have a fridge magnet from the company that was a lemon cut to look like a pig. Some of the stores around here have started with delivery, we just haven’t tried it yet.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:01:58pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Yeah Carter’s not going to get this kind of send off. And I think that’s really unfortunate.

Mr. Carter has said in the past that he doesn’t want to die until the last Guinea worm does first.

A fair assessment of Mr. Carter’s lifetime would include things such as the Camp David Accords and all of the post-presidency things he’s done with the Carter Center and Habitat for Humanity.

What he’ll probably get is night after night of Iran Hostage Crisis.

When I was in the Navy, there were tons of people who were all “let’s go in and kill ‘em all and let God sort them out.” (I suppose they would call themselves “pro-life.”) It sure looks now like Ronald Reagan or his team had a hand in prolonging that - kind of like Nixon did with Vietnam.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:02:35pm

re: #354 KGxvi

I guess it depends on how you define working class.

I want my legislature and their staffs to be professional and paid accordingly. I don’t want them to be underpaid nor ilinformed. I want them to have the skills and knowledge to handle the issues that a legislature must deal with today.

Those qualifications might eliminate some working class people.

As for legislator staying connected to working class people, many of them probably were never really connected to working class people. And those who were probably remained so over the years

Agree. A living wage at that level would reduce the chance of idiots who can work for free because of their parents of getting a job over a smart, energetic person from a poorer background.

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gwangung  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:04:13pm

re: #354 KGxvi

I guess it depends on how you define working class.

I want my legislature and their staffs to be professional and paid accordingly. I don’t want them to be underpaid nor ilinformed. I want them to have the skills and knowledge to handle the issues that a legislature must deal with today.

Those qualifications might eliminate some working class people.

As for legislator staying connected to working class people, many of them probably were never really connected to working class people. And those who were probably remained so over the years

Underpaid/unpaid interns is a problem in non profit industries. It selects for people who can afford to sacrifice a year or five of earning. That means it selects for people who are upper middle class or upper class—-and who are white. And sure as hell, that makes your staff for a politician less diverse…something you DO NOT WANT for your politicians.

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mmmirele  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:05:31pm

re: #348 Anymouse 🌹

From the Census Bureau:

There were about 47 million adults 18 years and older living in rural areas.

census.gov

The total number of adults in the USA is over 245 million.

en.wikipedia.org

So about 1/5th of the adult US population lives in rural areas. This does not mean rural areas should be written off.

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Mattand  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:06:01pm

Aaaaaand that does it for me for the Eagles game.

While I’m glad they won the Super Bowl, I had a nagging feeling in the back of my brain that last year was a fluke. This season is unfortunately proving me right.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:06:27pm

re: #356 Anymouse 🌹

Mr. Carter has said in the past that he doesn’t want to die until the last Guinea worm does first.

A fair assessment of Mr. Carter’s lifetime would include things such as the Camp David Accords and all of the post-presidency things he’s done with the Carter Center and Habitat for Humanity.

What he’ll probably get is night after night of Iran Hostage Crisis.

When I was in the Navy, there were tons of people who were all “let’s go in and kill ‘em all and let God sort them out.” (I suppose they would call themselves “pro-life.”) It sure looks now like Ronald Reagan or his team had a hand in prolonging that - kind of like Nixon did with Vietnam.

Presidents have the option of choosing whether they have a state funeral. Not sure if Carter has chosen to have one. I also suspect that much of his eulogies will focus on his postpresidency

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:09:12pm

re: #350 can’t think of a decent username

I like the “With her” turning into “With a hero”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:09:17pm
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Belafon  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:13:10pm

This talk is making me think that there could be a return to when products were taken to people. The difference is that, with something like Amazon, it would be harder to get away with overpricing, and you could make choices ahead of time rather than having to just accept what they decide to bring.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:14:55pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2018 • 7:42:56pm

re: #364 Belafon

This talk is making me think that there could be a return to when products were taken to people. The difference is that, with something like Amazon, it would be harder to get away with overpricing, and you could make choices ahead of time rather than having to just accept what they decide to bring.

Overpricing is the sort of thing that monopolies do

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 4, 2018 • 6:35:34am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

So sorry. It is always hard but I’m sure you gave your dog a really good life. I hope the pain eases soon and you can smile at the memory of your buddy.

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John Hughes  Dec 4, 2018 • 6:36:58am

re: #137 Single-handed sailor

Per Trump tweet that China has agreed to roll back auto tariffs:

Anybody in the US who thinks people don’t buy American cars because of tariffs doesn’t know shit about the kinds of cars people outside the US buy.


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