VULFPECK Goes Sappy and It’s Awesome: “Love Is a Beautiful Thing” (Feat. Theo Katzman & Monica Martin)

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VULFPECK /// Love is a Beautiful Thing
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Monica Martin — vocals
Theo Katzman — vocals, guitar, composer
Joe Dart — fender bass
Woody Goss — celeste, wurlitzer
Jack Stratton — drums, mixing
Joey Dosik — alto sax
Cory Wong — baritone guitar
Pete Min — engineer
Ryan Lerman — steadicam
Devin Kerr — mastering

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ipsos  Dec 4, 2018 • 7:59:12pm

Well, fuck. Georgia voters picking the Face-Eating Leopards Party to continue supervising face eating…

wsbtv.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:00:28pm
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Belafon  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:05:15pm

re: #1 ipsos

Well, fuck. Georgia voters picking the Face-Eating Leopards Party to continue supervising face eating…

wsbtv.com

“But only black people’s faces will be eaten, I’m sure.”

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:06:41pm
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:07:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:11:42pm

re: #4 jaunte

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Yeah slavery and treason are objectable. You’re from Connecticut ffs lady.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:14:40pm

Why are so many CSA apologists Northerners whose states saw the horrors of slavery? I’m a Virginian and man it infuriates me how Lee is a folk hero here but few know who George Thomas is.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:18:00pm

50 points to anyone who can explain this joke.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:18:50pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

Albert “Brooks.”

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:21:30pm

re: #9 jaunte

Albert “Brooks.”

Very good. Award yourself an extra 25 if you didn’t have to look it up on IMdB or Wikipedia.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:21:37pm

re: #9 jaunte

Albert “Brooks.”

He made an album called ‘A Star Is Bought’ which is one of the funniest comedy albums ever.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:22:05pm

re: #10 Ace-o-aces

One of my favorite movies.

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prairiefire  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:23:34pm

Mueller recommends no jail time for Flynn, cuz he was such a good, good boy.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:24:19pm

General Misha, dodging a Russian honeytrap.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:34:46pm

re: #13 prairiefire

Mueller recommends no jail time for Flynn, cuz he was such a good, good boy.

I’m hoping this is Mueller giving Flynn some extra rope, just to see what he does with it now that he *thinks* he’s a free man.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:35:40pm
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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:36:13pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Why are so many CSA apologists Northerners whose states saw the horrors of slavery? I’m a Virginian and man it infuriates me how Lee is a folk hero here but few know who George Thomas is.

Because there is a thread of conservativism that traces itself not just back to the anti-federalism of the CSA but to the anti-federalism of, well, the Anti-Federalists. The Federalist Society’s logo is, absurdly, a profile of Madison, who after writing the constitution and supporting ratification helped found the party that opposes the actual Federalists.

Or, because they’re just fucking racist but don’t want to admit it

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:36:23pm

It’s as if there’s a theme developing.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:36:51pm

Hey RWC, you around?

A thread of mine at a photo site you might find an interesting project - A New Project

I adapted my 4x5 camera to use my Olympus E-P3 as a digital back. The bugs are not fully worked out (heh) but its a fun project.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:37:44pm

re: #15 GlutenFreeJesus

I’m hoping this is Mueller giving Flynn some extra rope, just to see what he does with it now that he *thinks* he’s a free man.

I hope the judge says something along the lines of, “I appreciate the recommendation of the prosecutors, but based on the evidence, I’m going to sentence General Flynn to six months in federal prison.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:38:55pm

re: #17 KGxvi

Because there is a thread of conservativism that traces itself not just back to the anti-federalism of the CSA but to the anti-federalism of, well, the Anti-Federalists. The Federalist Society’s logo is, absurdly, a profile of Madison, who after writing the constitution and supporting ratification helped found the party that opposes the actual Federalists.

Or, because they’re just fucking racist but don’t want to admit it

Sounds right.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:42:27pm

A new word is coined.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:43:01pm
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Belafon  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:43:32pm

re: #15 GlutenFreeJesus

I’m hoping this is Mueller giving Flynn some extra rope, just to see what he does with it now that he *thinks* he’s a free man.

Maybe he’s giving Flynn the extra rope so Trump will shoot his own foot off with it.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:49:26pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Sounds right.

For the record, I think it’s an either or thing. Some are just racist. But having seen the Conservative Movement from the inside during law school, I think there are a lot of people who are honest in their belief of the ideology. And some who believe process is vastly more important than outcome - and while I believe process is important, I also believe you can’t ignore or excuse unjust outcomes.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:49:55pm

re: #23 Ace-o-aces

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Charlie, it’s clear from this idiotic even for you tweet that you have no idea how investigions actually work. Maybe there’s a reason you didn’t get to West Point. It’s not because you’re conservative. It’s because you’re profoundly stupid and uneducated.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:51:00pm

re: #25 KGxvi

For the record, I think it’s an either or thing. Some are just racist. But having seen the Conservative Movement from the inside during law school, I think there are a lot of people who are honest in their belief of the ideology. And some who believe process is vastly more important than outcome - and while I believe process is important, I also believe you can’t ignore or excuse unjust outcomes.

I just don’t know how you can deny what the CSA was. It was founded explicitly to protect slavery.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:52:52pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I just don’t know how you can deny what the CSA was. It was founded explicitly to protect slavery.

Because the proponents of the “Lost Cause” insist that the Confederacy was not a collection of slave states looking to protect their millions of dollars of “property” but instead brave men acting in the spirit of the Founders in opposing a tyrannical government that was attempting to destroy their “way of life.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:52:58pm

What if Mueller is being straight, and Flynn cooperated like nobody’s business? National Security Adviser is a big deal, a big fish on its own, so to recommend so lenient a sentence, it suggests MUCH bigger fishare on the hook because of Flynn.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:53:13pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I just don’t know how you can deny what the CSA was. It was founded explicitly to protect slavery.

I don’t know either. Especially since they wrote it down for prosperity.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:55:01pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

Because the proponents of the “Lost Cause” insist that the Confederacy was not a collection of slave states looking to protect their millions of dollars of “property” but instead brave men acting in the spirit of the Founders in opposing a tyrannical government that was attempting to destroy their “way of life.”

Right but Northerners like Laura weren’t getting that. I get it from the South. I myself while I never thought the CSA cause right bought the Kee myrhos when I was young.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:57:24pm

re: #30 KGxvi

I don’t know either. Especially since they wrote it down for prosperity.

Exactly Stephens was clear as hell in 1861 and I trust that far more than Great Uncle Jim who remembers his Great Grandpa holding him on his lap telling about how Robert E. Lee was up there with Jesus Christ.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:58:09pm

Currently 5° F. Coldest night of the year, coming right up!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 8:59:21pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Currently 5° F. Coldest night of the year, coming right up!

Burrr

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:01:35pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Are you getting some fresh snow?

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:02:05pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Burrr

The high temperature today didn’t get above freezing. And it was a sunny day.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:04:00pm

re: #35 jaunte

Are you getting some fresh snow?

YES!!!

The mountains are very white. The ski area - snowfall-wise - is in its best shape in years.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:04:35pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Fantastic. I hope you have a great season.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:07:07pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

The high temperature today didn’t get above freezing. And it was a sunny day.

Was pretty cold here today too. My brother and I walked the three other dogs to Marley’s favorite place to hike with my brother. Still sad but so happy to have had such a great dog.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:07:16pm

re: #38 jaunte

We’ve only been open on Friday Saturday Sunday the last two weeks, we start seven-days-a-week service on Friday, a week earlier than planned. Fact is it was snowing all of those six days we were open. I’m excited!

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:10:59pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I took my German Shepherd Leo to the vet the day your beloved Marley passed, his biannual checkup. He turned eight in July. His hips are not in good shape, and he’s overweight. Dogs, they’re the greatest but they also are so sad because they don’t live very long.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:13:08pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Right but Northerners like Laura weren’t getting that. I get it from the South. I myself while I never thought the CSA cause right bought the Kee myrhos when I was young.

You know the saying “the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there”? To Movement Conservatives, the past is a wondrous country because (they believe) the people back then thought as they do today and lived in a sort of perfect state that we are ever hopelessly trying to restore. And it is one of the reasons why they fight so hard to hold onto these myths and legends about that past, even if the reality was monstrous and inhumane.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:17:34pm

My 30,000th tweet.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:17:52pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

I took my German Shepherd Leo to the vet the day your beloved Marley passed, his biannual checkup. He turned eight in July. His hips are not in good shape, and he’s overweight. Dogs, they’re the greatest but they also are so sad because they don’t live very long.

I know. It’s toigh. Hope Leo gets better. We’re working on getting Sandor, Marleys baby brother in better shape. He’s sort of built like a lamb now right down to being predominantly white haired. He’s 75% poodle and 25% lab while Marley was all poodle. The other two are beagles who we’ve never had before. And thanks losing Marley was tough. We all miss him and I know it was tough for my niece especially since she’s never dealt with losing a loved one. I know she’ll always remember Marley as will my SiL since he was the first dog they loved.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:18:34pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

You know the saying “the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there”? To Movement Conservatives, the past is a wondrous country because (they believe) the people back then thought as they do today and lived in a sort of perfect state that we are ever hopelessly trying to restore. And it is one of the reasons why they fight so hard to hold onto these myths and legends about that past, even if the reality was monstrous and inhumane.

Too true. We need to teach the war better.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:22:34pm

re: #25 KGxvi

For the record, I think it’s an either or thing. Some are just racist. But having seen the Conservative Movement from the inside during law school, I think there are a lot of people who are honest in their belief of the ideology. And some who believe process is vastly more important than outcome - and while I believe process is important, I also believe you can’t ignore or excuse unjust outcomes.

The purpose of the process is to attempt to remove the biases humans have; it has the hallmark of the rational thinking of the Founders. It doesn’t work very well when the bias against some people is embedded in the process. That is what we have to remove, but there are plenty invested in not removing them.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:25:56pm

The dog whistle stage is well and truly past.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:29:29pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:30:58pm

For white Southerners I boil it down to not wanting to admit the old romantic stories about the war and the bravery were for a shitty cause. In the Civil War years, no problem admitting that you’re fighting to protect slavery staying legal but even by the 1880’s when Jubal Early started the Lost Cause and certainly by the 1930’s when Douglas Freeman wrote his Lee biography, slavery was seen as ugly by the public as a whole. I think it’s similar to how people like D’Souza attempt to make evil groups like the Nazis, Klan, Jihadists, etc comparable with modern liberals because they can’t sdmit their ideology has more in common with the broader points of those three and to admit that would be to acknowledge the flaws of their ideology and they’re not willing to do that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:31:43pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The dog whistle stage is well and truly past.

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Lincoln weeps.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:34:28pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I may have mentioned this book here before:
Baptized in Blood: The Religion of the Lost Cause, 1865-1920
amazon.com

A new “civil religion.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:35:20pm

I’m not saying conservatism equals Fascism but fascism is a right wing ideology. It differs from traditional conservatism but it is a right wing one. You can’t accuse liberals of wanting diversity to destroy the quote dominate culture while using the very similar rhetoric that was used by fascists against their opponents.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:35:54pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:37:30pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The dog whistle stage is well and truly past.

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Still remember when a bunch to Texas GOP County Committees wanted to put a plank in the platform calling for secession.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:43:49pm

re: #51 jaunte

I may have mentioned this book here before:
Baptized in Blood: The Religion of the Lost Cause, 1865-1920
amazon.com

A new “civil religion.”

Yeah! And I think that shapes what we see now. We all knew someone who was alive from 1865-1920 even if we didn’t which is very likely know someone who fought in the war. And that’s where the family myth comes in. Let’s call this hypothetical family the Smiths. In 1861, Joe Smith goes to war. He’s caught up in the fervor. He believes slavery is just even if he’s too poor to own slaves. In 1870, Joe’s son John is born. John hears his Daddy make Lee a secular saint and passes this down to his kids. By 1900, Joe is an old man and John is father to James. James loves hearing Grandpa Joe’s stories even though his memory is off. And James even reads books by educated me who lionize the CSA cause and don’t mention the faults either personally or militarily of Lee. James has Joe II who serves in WWII and has bought all the old mythology even though he never knew Joe I. Joe II passes this down to his son and grandson. And thus we have people in 2018 who are buying second hand family lore as the absolute truth because Dad said his Grandpa was a brave man who didn’t care about slavery.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:48:05pm

I’ve talked about this with our genealogists but people want their family story to be more romantic than it is. Hence how myths are born. Stories of royal ancestors or of national hero ones get believed. Family lore is part of family history too but it’s not true history.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:52:41pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

I’ve talked about this with our genealogists but people want their family story to be more romantic than it is. Hence how myths are born. Stories of royal ancestors or of national hero ones get believed. Family lore is part of family history too but it’s not true history.

Hence “I was told growing up that I have some Indian blood in me” or “I come from a long line of (insert profession).” And let’s not even get started on the “I’m distantly related to (insert famous person) on my mother/father’s side of the family!”

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:55:24pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

My family came from starving Welsh farmers on one side, and starving Bavarian farmers on the other.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:56:10pm

1° F.

I predict it gets down to -7° F tonight.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 9:56:16pm

I have no inherited talent for farming.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:00:33pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Hence “I was told growing up that I have some Indian blood in me” or “I come from a long line of (insert profession).” And let’s not even get started on the “I’m distantly related to (insert famous person) on my mother/father’s side of the family!”

Yep! Interestingly I’ve had some lore proven true. There is indeed a part of a township near Pittsburgh named after my great grandfather’s grandfather. Just as I did in fact have Partisan relatives in WWII in the Balkans but research begins new questions and some old ones remain unanswered. I still don’t know if my great Grandfather was friendly with Honus Wagner. Some get disproved too. My Nana’s Aunt did not come from Ireland to take care of her when their mother died. The aunt was American born though certainly spoke Irish. We need to be careful with our lore especially if it’s part of a larger story ie Southern motivation for seceding.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:01:32pm

re: #58 jaunte

My family came from starving Welsh farmers on one side, and starving Bavarian farmers on the other.

At least one of my grandfathers was trying to flee service in the Czar’s army.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:02:29pm

re: #58 jaunte

My family came from starving Welsh farmers on one side, and starving Bavarian farmers on the other.

Mostly farmers here too from Western Ireland to Northeastern Slovakia. They probably never imagined they’d share a direct descendant in me that’s for sure just as I’m sure yours too.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:03:18pm

re: #23 Ace-o-aces

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You notice how the entire wingnut theory about Mueller’s investigation now rests heavily upon “There’s nothing there, he’s just bluffing!”? Every time they’ve said this shit, he pulls another rabbit out of his hat and they scramble to explain that it’s not really a rabbit.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:05:41pm

re: #62 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t know much about how my mother’s family got to Georgia from Wales, but I know my great-grandfather’s family took him to Hamburg and apprenticed him to a whaling ship cook in exchange for his signing bonus (which probably kept the rest of the family alive). Ten years later he disembarked in San Francisco, and wound up travelling to St. Louis in search of German women.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:06:19pm

Sometimes the Scots in the Scottish group I’m in get frustrated with the Americans especially who claim they have trees that link them to William Wallace or Robert the Bruce. Just as I know an Irish historian who whenever he can debunks the Irish slav stuff.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:07:36pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

“No, no, it’s just another duck!”

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:10:39pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

YES!!!

The mountains are very white. The ski area - snowfall-wise - is in its best shape in years.

Where are you this year?

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:12:29pm

re: #68 austin_blue

Where are you this year?

Sunlight Mountain Resort, outside of Glenwood Springs.

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:15:38pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

For white Southerners I boil it down to not wanting to admit the old romantic stories about the war and the bravery were for a shitty cause. In the Civil War years, no problem admitting that you’re fighting to protect slavery staying legal but even by the 1880’s when Jubal Early started the Lost Cause and certainly by the 1930’s when Douglas Freeman wrote his Lee biography, slavery was seen as ugly by the public as a whole. I think it’s similar to how people like D’Souza attempt to make evil groups like the Nazis, Klan, Jihadists, etc comparable with modern liberals because they can’t sdmit their ideology has more in common with the broader points of those three and to admit that would be to acknowledge the flaws of their ideology and they’re not willing to do that.

THIS!

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:24:45pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

I’ve talked about this with our genealogists but people want their family story to be more romantic than it is. Hence how myths are born. Stories of royal ancestors or of national hero ones get believed. Family lore is part of family history too but it’s not true history.

Well, it certainly is in my case. I’m a direct descendant of the Buddha, Moses, Jesus, The Prophet, the First Dalai Lama, Albert Schweitzer, and Mother Teresa.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:43:31pm

Uh oh!

On the other side of the pond, Theresa May had a triple bogey in the Commons…

The start of a five-day debate on May’s deal was delayed by several hours, as MPs passed a historic motion finding the government in contempt of parliament for failing to publish in full the legal advice on Brexit.

MPs had already voted down a government compromise, which would have referred the dispute to parliament’s privileges committee, delaying it until after next week’s crunch vote on May’s deal.

With the prime minister still waiting to open the formal debate, MPs then inflicted a third defeat, passing a cross-party amendment tabled by MPs including Dominic Grieve aimed at strengthening the hand of parliament if the deal is voted down.

theguardian.com

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2018 • 10:48:58pm

re: #72 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yeah, it’s officially Brexshit now.

This was major news here in Europe; for the first time in it’s long, long history, a British government has been found to be in contempt of Parliament.

To borrow a phrase, that’s a “big fucking deal”.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:00:09pm

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, it’s officially Brexshit now.

This was major news here in Europe; for the first time in it’s long, long history, a British government has been found to be in contempt of Parliament.

To borrow a phrase, that’s a “big fucking deal”.

May’s basically backed into a corner now. If she doesn’t move forward then the government collapses, she’s out as Party Leader and possibly even out of the party altogether, and the nation finds itself back as Square One as the squabbles begin over just how “hard” or “soft” a Brexit the nation can stand.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:07:24pm

Of course, to rub salt in the wound, the EU comes out the same day and basically says “You guys can stop hitting yourselves in the face anytime you want, we won’t hold it against you.”

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:08:04pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

May’s basically backed into a corner now. If she doesn’t move forward then the government collapses, she’s out as Party Leader and possibly even out of the party altogether, and the nation finds itself back as Square One as the squabbles begin over just how “hard” or “soft” a Brexit the nation can stand.

The British government faces another dilemma; while it’s likely that the ECJ could end up ruling that the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50 via a parliamentary vote - with some stipulations, no doubt - doing so would possibly engender a fatal split with the Conservative Party and create friction (to say the least) within the Labour Party, which is headed by a Leaver, Jeremy Corbyn, but whose membership is generally supportive of remaining in the EU.

Combined with Britain’s first-past-the-post electoral system, the Brexit referendum and it’s outcomes are going to be the source of a good deal of domestic political bickering for the foreseeable future.

Former PM Cameron’s bid to put an end to EU bickering within the Tories has backfired in the most disastrous manner possible.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:12:50pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo

There’s a quote here from Corbyn, and at least on this, I agree with him 100% - he’s absolutely spot-on.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:13:44pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo

The British government faces another dilemma; while it’s likely that the ECJ could end up ruling that the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50 via a parliamentary vote - with some stipulations, no doubt - doing so would possibly engender a fatal split with the Conservative Party and create friction (to say the least) within the Labour Party, which is headed by a Leaver, Jeremy Corbyn, but whose membership is generally supportive of remaining in the EU.

Combined with Britain’s first-past-the-post electoral system, the Brexit referendum and it’s outcomes are going to be the source of a good deal of domestic political bickering for the foreseeable future.

Former PM Cameron’s bid to put an end to EU bickering within the Tories has backfired in the most disastrous manner possible.

Which is why Cameron bailed out almost immediately after Leave one, taking Boris down with him for good measure.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:19:52pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Personally, I think a good deal of this nonsense we’re seeing in the UK comes down to the long-term repercussions and fallout from the Suez Crisis. It’s been argued by historians that the outcome of the Suez Crisis was Britain no longer being the global superpower it once was and I think that for a good many Brits, they have yet to find their place in the world. There’s a certain resentment among some about being second banana to the USA and you can clearly ascertain resentment about Britain being economically bested by Germany, not to mention their long-standing rivalry with France.

It’s a post-Empire hangover that stubbornly refuses to go away.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:23:08pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo

The British government faces another dilemma; while it’s likely that the ECJ could end up ruling that the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50 via a parliamentary vote - with some stipulations, no doubt - doing so would possibly engender a fatal split with the Conservative Party and create friction (to say the least) within the Labour Party, which is headed by a Leaver, Jeremy Corbyn, but whose membership is generally supportive of remaining in the EU.

Combined with Britain’s first-past-the-post electoral system, the Brexit referendum and it’s outcomes are going to be the source of a good deal of domestic political bickering for the foreseeable future.

Former PM Cameron’s bid to put an end to EU bickering within the Tories has backfired in the most disastrous manner possible.

So Cameron made the disastrous call for the Brexit referendum and quit; May could not figure out a graceful way to handle this — maybe there was never one; and Labour is led by Corbyn, a walking disaster on his own. Are there any politicians in Parliament who have the skill to work through this in either the Tories or Labour? Do any of the smaller parties have capable leadership? Is a new election needed?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:29:47pm

re: #80 Hecuba’s daughter

So Cameron made the disastrous call for the Brexit referendum and quit; May could not figure out a graceful way to handle this — maybe there was never one; and Labour is led by Corbyn, a walking disaster on his own. Are there any politicians in Parliament who have the skill to work through this in either the Tories or Labour? Do any of the smaller parties have capable leadership? Is a new election needed?

Sigh. Based on the Economist,
economist.com

it certainly appears that there is no way out — not a single decent potential leader.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:31:41pm

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I think a good deal of this nonsense we’re seeing in the UK comes down to the long-term repercussions and fallout from the Suez Crisis. It’s been argued by historians that the outcome of the Suez Crisis was Britain no longer being the global superpower it was once and I think that for a good many Brits, they have yet to find their place in the world. There’s a certain resentment among some about being second banana to the USA and you can clearly feel resentment about Britain being economically bested by Germany, not to mention their long-standing rivalry with France.

It’s a post-Empire hangover that stubbornly refuses to go away.

You know how wingnuts like to see WWII as “The Axis was on the verge of winning, then we stepped in and won the war”? And think the 1950s was the greatest period in world history because (of course) America was virtually unopposed as an economy powerhouse because most of the West was too busy rebuilding from the ashes of WWII?

That’s Britain, only for them the glory days stretch back even further. And the abrupt crash they suffered in the first half of the 20th, from “world leader” to “second-rate empire”? Yeah, that’s our next stop.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:32:21pm

re: #80 Hecuba’s daughter

So Cameron made the disastrous call for the Brexit referendum and quit; May could not figure out a graceful way to handle this — maybe there was never one; and Labour is led by Corbyn, a walking disaster on his own. Are there any politicians in Parliament who have the skill to work through this in either the Tories or Labour? Do any of the smaller parties have capable leadership? Is a new election needed?

A new general election will probably be the ultimate outcome; that being said, the logical solution would be to go to the people and explain clearly and concisely that there is no way to disentangle the UK from the EU without causing perhaps irreparable damage to the economy and the livelihoods of millions of people and thusly, Article 50 is to be revoked and the UK will remain in the European Union.

Whomever would be tasked with delivering this unhappy news would have to recognize that it’s going to be a type of political seppuku, done for all the world to see. But the British simply need to accept that they no longer live in the days when “the sun never set on the British Empire” and that ‘Rule Britannia’ is nothing more than a pleasant ditty that needs to be forever consigned to the history books. The curtain has come down on that era of Britain’s history and they absolutely must acknowledge it, not try to escape to a heavily mythologized past.

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uriel  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:34:35pm

re: #19 William Lewis
Cool!

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:36:51pm

Authoritarian leaders throughout history have often come to power on promises of restoring the nations they sought to lead to a long-lost “glorious past” that they could never hope to achieve in their current state. Hitler promised to return Germany to the days of “Blood and Iron,” but he had nothing of Bismarck’s cunning or diplomacy. Mussolini promised to bring about a new Roman Empire, but Italy was in such a sorry state in the 30s that they couldn’t even afford to build tanks that were fit to be called such. Putin keeps telling his people of the good ol’ days of the USSR, counting on the millions who feel things were better when they felt “strong” and “mighty” against the West. So on and so forth.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:40:27pm

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

A new general election will probably be the ultimate outcome; that being said, the logical solution would be to go to the people and explain clearly and concisely that there is no way to disentangle the UK from the EU without causing perhaps irreparable damage to the economy and the livelihoods of millions of people and thusly, Article 50 is to be revoked and the UK will remain in the European Union.

Whomever would be tasked with delivering this unhappy news would have to recognize that it’s going to be a type of political seppuku, done for all the world to see. But the British simply need to accept that they no longer live in the days when “the sun never set on the British Empire” and that ‘Rule Britannia’ is nothing more than a pleasant ditty that needs to be forever consigned to the history books. The curtain has come down on that era of Britain’s history and they absolutely must acknowledge it, not try to escape to a heavily mythologized past.

Who has sufficient status to break the news to the citizens and actually get it adopted? Would it have to be May herself or is there a member of her Cabinet who has this presence and authority?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:45:34pm

re: #86 Hecuba’s daughter

Who has sufficient status to break the news to the citizens and actually get it adopted? Would it have to be May herself or is there a member of her Cabinet who has this presence and authority?

Good question, to be honest. I don’t think anyone does - with perhaps the singular exception of Her Royal Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II. And she doesn’t get involved in politics.

As far as PM May goes, her credibility at this point is right up there with a turd that can’t be flushed. Corbyn is regarded by a good many as nothing less than the reincarnation of V.I. Lenin. Boris Johnson is a fatuous clown and anyone else on the British political scene is pretty much a bad joke (for example, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg - a living, breathing caricature of a 19th century Victorian undertaker).

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:52:15pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2018 • 11:53:57pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:26:49am

It’s 0° F now at my twenty. Brr.

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freetoken  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:47:58am
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freetoken  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:50:57am

I suspect that song has double entendres, or at least it could be made to be so with ease.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:03:13am

In Brexit news, the legal advice, which PM May’s government resisted making public, is now out in the open.

I’d say, just off the top of my head, that May’s working agreement Brexit deal is as dead as the dodo. And if the DUP now start making noises about a no confidence vote, it could very well prove the end of May’s government.

What a shitshow.

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freetoken  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:23:30am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

What a shitshow.

A feature, not a bug.

At least for the Brexit deep funders.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:27:56am

Good Morning Lizards, wherever you are. Sorry to keep jetting in and out of here. A lot of time I am here via iPhone and I have been known to have to close the browser and only be able to return 4 or even 10 hours later. I cannot keep up with you adorable reptiles. I wish it was because I had this big adventurous life, but alas, no. We’re having a multi flaming dumpster fire crash here and I am not having fun.

I just wanted to offer up all the hugs 🤗 I can to everyone dealing with loss, grief, loneliness, depression or just the damned human condition or whatever your name for it. It’s already a complicated time of year for many families and having more shit on top of that general madness can wipe the smile off anyone’s face. The last couple of years have been tough on many of us and I know that love and encouragement have come to me via this place and it matters. So while I can’t give all of you a real hug, know that I wish I could. (And now back to coverage of Project Enduring Clusterfuck USA vs World)

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Jay C  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:51:09am

re: #95 A Mom Anon

{{{{{{A Mom Anon}}}}}}

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:57:07am
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Seafaring, coquito drinking Santa!  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:00:54am

re: #97 Patricia Kayden

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jeffreyw  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:03:04am

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Good morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:03:26am

assholes

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:05:45am

re: #97 Patricia Kayden

The danger of appealing to only one demographic group (xenophobes) is losing support from all the other demographic groups. The GOP offers no solutions and no plans, just obstruction and scapegoating. It took the electorate a while to catch on, but they finally see the GOP for what it is — a bunch of empty suits.

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:08:34am

re: #20 KGxvi

I hope the judge says something along the lines of, “I appreciate the recommendation of the prosecutors, but based on the evidence, I’m going to sentence General Flynn to six months in federal prison.”

Unless this is truly the end game and everything is known and no else’s cooperation is need, that would hurt more than help.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:12:26am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:16:31am

Colombia is apparently hip-deep in hippos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:18:55am

guessing nobody told him about Flynn yet

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:19:02am

re: #53 Ace-o-aces

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:19:20am

re: #104 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I remember hearing about this story on one of those geographic channels. Very interesting. Apparently, Colombians were furious when soldiers killed and posed with a hippo so I assume they don’t want them all hunted down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:20:41am

LOL, moron sounds naive indeed.
Actually, stupid is more likely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:22:39am

click the image button to see all of it

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:22:46am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOL, moron sounds naive indeed.
Actually, stupid is more likely.

Yeah, I wouldn’t trust the Chinese any more than I’d trust The Donald.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:29:32am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOL, moron sounds naive indeed.
Actually, stupid is more likely.

Note his signature ploy to reduce expectations: “hopefully historic meeting”.

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:47:11am

Such a horrible person.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:52:41am

he is so clueless

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:53:44am
If China cracks down on this “horror drug,” using the Death Penalty for distributors and pushers, the results will be incredible!

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:55:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:57:21am

*SPIT*

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:58:53am

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, that was my reaction as well. Oh, and when has fentanyl never been a controlled substance?

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:59:56am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Flynn’s fried by Mueller and spilled the beans on Trumpworld. Mueller agrees that this constituted enough cooperation to warrant no jail time (charges - ack - need coffee stat!).

That’s bad news for Trumpworld.

Flynn Junior thinks that this is a blessed event.

Of course, right wing nutters think that if you’re not someone in uniform you can’t criticize someone who dishonored the uniform, ignored their oaths and obligations.

The bulkshit and stench from the GOP is overwhelming these days, and it’s never ending.

Trump this morning is back at it with the tweets and trying to spin that the trade war mess he started is over because he’s got a deal in the works with China, and he even prefaced his claim by saying “not to sound naive”.

Yeah, he’s naive - and worse, he’s counting on his know-nothing base to be naive and ignore the damage he’s doing to the American economy, American foreign policy, and American national security with his dumbfuckery.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:00:59am

re: #19 William Lewis

Hey RWC, you around?

A thread of mine at a photo site you might find an interesting project - A New Project

I adapted my 4x5 camera to use my Olympus E-P3 as a digital back. The bugs are not fully worked out (heh) but its a fun project.

I missed this last night, I love the concept.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:01:12am

re: #118 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Flynn’s fried by Mueller and spilled the beans on Trumpworld. Mueller agrees that this constituted enough cooperation to warrant no charges.

That’s bad news for Trumpworld.

Flynn Junior thinks that this is a blessed event.

Yeah, he’s naive - and worse, he’s counting on his know-nothing base to be naive and ignore the damage he’s doing to the American economy, American foreign policy, and American national security with his dumbfuckery.

I think you meant no jail time. :-)

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:03:16am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did someone tell him that he was going to a party with cake?

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:03:20am

re: #120 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

I think you meant no jail time. :-)

Absolutely right - fixed…. didn’t have my coffee injection this morning.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:06:05am

Saint 9/11’s self-beclowning continues…

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:07:29am

re: #122 lawhawk

Absolutely right - fixed…. didn’t have my coffee injection this morning.

Know the feeling.

BTW Lizards. Space X is scheduled to launch CRS-16 today at 1316 EST.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:16:17am

In other news - woke up this morning and our heater was on the fritz. It’s not killer cold here, currently 33 degrees, but my wife was not happy while getting ready for work this morning.

Plumber will be here between noon and 3:00, and hopefully he’ll get the temp back to where it ought to be.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:17:00am

re: #67 jaunte

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:19:23am

re: #119 Unshaken Defiance

I missed this last night, I love the concept.

Thought you might. Just wanted to share it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:19:42am

View from my porch in TheBackwoods this morning:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:22:26am
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:22:47am

re: #123 makeitstop

Nothing in Rudy’s tweet is even close to making sense. He’s devolving before our eyes.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:23:42am

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

Sigh. Based on the Economist,
economist.com

it certainly appears that there is no way out — not a single decent potential leader.

You know who could do it?
Trump could do it
Volunteer
in his spare time
He’s probably got some
And there’s only a minor language problem
Hecould fix it
While still being president
He could easily do both
In fact maybe only he can fix it

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:24:04am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

A great man who despised you and who you routinely insulted. Who the hell are you fooling?

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:24:42am

re: #130 Patricia Kayden

Nothing in Rudy’s tweet is even close to making sense. He’s devolving before our eyes.

He has been for a while now.

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:25:15am

Thread:

It’s a lot along the lines of my tweet above and the response of magidiots who think that the uniform is a get out of prison free card because you can’t question their loyalty, when that’s exactly what you need to do when you’re conspiring against the US.

Flynn was an undeclared foreign agent who was working with Trumpworld to further an agenda that was at odds to American national security. He was busy installing people as part of the transition team who were compromised and complicit. He was covering for a compromised and complicit Trump (and Pence).

Yeah, he violated his oaths - de facto and de jure.

Military oath:

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

Undeclared foreign agent means he violates “bear true faith and allegience to the US”. Obey the UCMJ? Yeah, violated that too.

His oath as NSA:

“I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.

Yeah, Flynn violated his oaths. He dishonored his uniform. He disgraced the nation with his criminal misconduct, and the only reason he’s not in prison is because he was first to turn on Trumpworld and got a sweetheart deal.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:25:27am

re: #130 Patricia Kayden

Nothing in Rudy’s tweet is even close to making sense. He’s devolving before our eyes.

Will someone PLEASE initiate disbarment proceedings against that ass?

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:26:05am

Donald Trump is nearly as unpopular in small towns as he is in suburban areas and cities, signaling potential trouble for his re-election prospects, according to a survey that highlights the Republican president’s vulnerabilities.

The latest Grinnell College National Poll also shows just less than a third of Americans say they definitely plan to vote for him in 2020, while 41 percent say they’re certain to cast a ballot for someone else.

In rural areas — not including those living in small towns — 46 percent say they’ll definitely vote for him for a second term. But in all other geographic areas, there’s much higher skepticism about a second Trump term. Just 33 percent of those in small towns definitely plan to vote for him, while 27 percent in suburbs and 24 percent in cities say they will.

A majority of Americans — 54 percent — say they’re more hopeful for the country following last month’s election. There’s even greater optimism when it comes to expectations for the nation following the 2020 presidential election, with 58 percent saying they feel hopeful about the nation’s prospects after that milestone.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:26:46am

re: #112 MsJ

So why doesn’t “The a View” just ditch her? I don’t watch that show anymore specifically because I can’t stand Meghan. Her only qualification for being there is that she’s s Senator’s pretty daughter. I’m glad that Behar called her an entitled brat because that’s all she is. Send her back to Fox News.

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:26:54am

re: #130 Patricia Kayden

Nothing in Rudy’s tweet is even close to making sense. He’s devolving before our eyes.

He’s been noun, verb, 9/11 for quite a while now. Moment he moves away from that he turns into a knucklehead with a microphone.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:28:17am

re: #95 A Mom Anon

Good Morning Lizards, wherever you are. Sorry to keep jetting in and out of here. A lot of time I am here via iPhone and I have been known to have to close the browser and only be able to return 4 or even 10 hours later. I cannot keep up with you adorable reptiles. I wish it was because I had this big adventurous life, but alas, no. We’re having a multi flaming dumpster fire crash here and I am not having fun.

I just wanted to offer up all the hugs 🤗 I can to everyone dealing with loss, grief, loneliness, depression or just the damned human condition or whatever your name for it. It’s already a complicated time of year for many families and having more shit on top of that general madness can wipe the smile off anyone’s face. The last couple of years have been tough on many of us and I know that love and encouragement have come to me via this place and it matters. So while I can’t give all of you a real hug, know that I wish I could. (And now back to coverage of Project Enduring Clusterfuck USA vs World)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:28:21am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Why are so many CSA apologists Northerners whose states saw the horrors of slavery? I’m a Virginian and man it infuriates me how Lee is a folk hero here but few know who George Thomas is.

My favorite George Thomas quote, and one I keep on file to fling at any sort of CSA historical revisionist or apologist;

[T]he greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the government, thus wiping out with their own hands their own stains; a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery, when it is considered that life and property—justly forfeited by the laws of the country, of war, and of nations, through the magnanimity of the government and people—was not exacted from them.
Report to General Ulysses S. Grant (17 November 1868)

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:29:09am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Why are so many CSA apologists Northerners whose states saw the horrors of slavery? I’m a Virginian and man it infuriates me how Lee is a folk hero here but few know who George Thomas is.

Now I must look up George Thomas.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:30:28am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:32:09am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My favorite George Thomas quote, and one I keep on file to fling at any sort of CSA historical revisionist or apologist;

[T]he greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the government, thus wiping out with their own hands their own stains; a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery, when it is considered that life and property—justly forfeited by the laws of the country, of war, and of nations, through the magnanimity of the government and people—was not exacted from them.
Report to General Ulysses S. Grant (17 November 1868)

Definitely.. General Thomas saw the Lost Cause coming. He died only two years after saying that. As I said, it’s just a shame that we have named so much after Lee, Jackson, Davis, and other CSA figures in our state but a patriot like Thomas is someone I’ll definitely get a who if I ever bring him up with most people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:32:35am
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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:33:09am

re: #137 Patricia Kayden

So why doesn’t “The a View” just ditch her? I don’t watch that show anymore specifically because I can’t stand Meghan. Her only qualification for being there is that she’s s Senator’s pretty daughter. I’m glad that Behar called her an entitled brat because that’s all she is. Send her back to Fox News.

She used to be better. What really radicalized her is her recent whirlwind romance resulting in a marriage to a total douchebag. She has really become insufferable since then.

And from one fat gal to another, Meghan is starting to look more and more like Mama June pre-surgeries…so I wonder how long it will be before her husband, Ben Domenech, cheats on her money.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:36:37am

re: #145 MsJ

She used to be better. What really radicalized her is her recent whirlwind romance resulting in a marriage to a total douchebag. She has really become insufferable since then.

And from one fat gal to another, Meghan is starting to look more and more like Mama June pre-surgeries…so I wonder how long it will be before her husband, Ben Domenech, cheats on her money.

You know, it’s funny, I used to like Meghan more since she seemed more independent minded but she’s become a GOP foot soldier. Now what’s funny is even though their Dad is someone I have lots of criticism for but I like Jenna and Barbara Bush a lot, I don’t know, they just despite being first daughters and first granddaughters seem more modest and relatable than Meghan. Laura’s background fwiw was more modest than Cindy’s so maybe that’s why.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:37:36am

re: #145 MsJ

She’s attractive and I don’t care about her weight since I’m not a skinny gal myself. I do care about her rudeness and hostility — and am ticked off that someone with no apparent qualifications is an equal to Joy and Whoopi, who are national treasures, imho. If she can’t control her temper, she needs to be replaced. Surely there are measured, articulate Conservative women who could do a better job on that show.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:38:34am

re: #28 Targetpractice

Because the proponents of the “Lost Cause” insist that the Confederacy was not a collection of slave states looking to protect their millions of dollars of “property” but instead brave men acting in the spirit of the Founders in opposing a tyrannical government that was attempting to destroy their “way of life.”

If you want to celebrate your family’s heritage and history of their role in the insurrection, then do so on private property and with private funding.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:38:37am

re: #135 Joe Bacon 🌹

Will someone PLEASE initiate disbarment proceedings against that ass?

Wouldn’t shut him up

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:39:16am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

I don’t believe the Bush twins are conservative though. They seem like genuinely nice young people to me so I don’t see them becoming rightwing mouthpieces. They’re probably undercover liberals.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:39:24am

Meghan is far from the worst politician’s child I’ve seen but she’s got unfortunately pretty partisan when I thought that the way her father was treated by the party’s far right would make her drift more away from it. I don’t think she is akin to Bristol Palin or especially the Trump sons and Ivanka because she’s not a criminal but I think she could be more thoughtful. I really like Chelsea Clinton as well. I just love how she lets her critics shine with the nasty tweets she gets which I bet are considerably more than the other people I mentioned since we never had organized and concentrated hate directed towards the Bush girls the way the right definitely did with Chelsea.

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:39:32am

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

She’s attractive and I don’t care about her weight since I’m not a skinny gal myself. I do care about her rudeness and hostility — and am ticked off that someone with no apparent qualifications is an equal to Joy and Whoopi, who are national treasures, imho. If she can’t control her temper, she needs to be replaced. Surely there are measured, articulate Conservative women who could do a better job on that show.

I hate everything about her. Everything. She is a truly horrible human being who gets worse and worse with age.

I am a fat girl, too, so take what I say with whatever flavor of salt you prefer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:40:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:42:14am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:43:19am

re: #42 Targetpractice

You know the saying “the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there”? To Movement Conservatives, the past is a wondrous country because (they believe) the people back then thought as they do today and lived in a sort of perfect state that we are ever hopelessly trying to restore. And it is one of the reasons why they fight so hard to hold onto these myths and legends about that past, even if the reality was monstrous and inhumane.

Yes, and there were many things that were accepted back then that are not acceptable now. We need to be able to look at them in that light.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:44:12am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:44:34am

re: #150 Patricia Kayden

I don’t believe the Bush twins are conservative though. They seem like genuinely nice young people to me so I don’t see them becoming rightwing mouthpieces. They’re probably undercover liberals.

No, they’re not conservative at all but neither was Meghan for awhile. But it’s their personalities. Meghan has a little more of her Dad’s edginess. Jenna especially has her father’s down to earthness. Barbara seems a little more shy but both are definitely more liberal than their parents and grandparents were and I don’t think ti’s even a secret about it in their family. They just seem like good people. Their father until Trump was by far the worst President of my life but they were raised well. They don’t lack empathy at all.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:45:40am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, what’s in the picture?

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:46:21am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, and there were many things that were accepted back then that are not acceptable now. We need to be able to look at them in that light.

We are obligated for objectivity and perspective’s sake to look at them in that light.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:47:36am

re: #158 Belafon

So, what’s in the picture?

NYT opinion piece by Ross Douthat: Why We Miss the WASPs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:48:05am

uh huh

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:49:12am

re: #152 MsJ

I hate everything about her. Everything. She is a truly horrible human being who gets worse and worse with age.

I am a fat girl, too, so take what I say with whatever flavor of salt you prefer.

It’s honestly disappointing because I definitely did sympathize with her when she got into it with Coulter but unfortunately I think you’re right that her marriage to a right wing operative has made her worse if I’m understanding you right. I think that’s perhaps another reason why Jenna and Barbara seem more relatable, Jenna’s father in law used to be our Lt Governor but Henry Hagler isn’t politically active and I don’t think Barbara’s husband comes from a political family at all and I got a kick out of what they did after they got married in the Ocean and thought it was sweet they got married in Maine near their Grandfather’s home. I

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:49:29am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

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uh huh

That aged well.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:49:30am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh huh

What he did was 1/11th of what she did. //

Edited because I got it completely backwards.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:52:08am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, and there were many things that were accepted back then that are not acceptable now. We need to be able to look at them in that light.

We not only need to see that but we need to see that as a good thing. Yeah, it’s a good thing you can’t call a black man “boy” anymore. Just as it’s a good thing that a black man shouldn’t have to fear reprisal if he doesn’t address white men and women as sir and ma’am. Now if you want to call everyone sir and ma’am, that’s fine but the shit black men especially had to fear if they so much as addressed white people the wrong way is something that I’m glad has disappeared from our culture. We also need to acknowledge as white people that the ending of slavery was unfortunately not the end of struggle by a lon gshot.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:53:33am

re: #125 makeitstop

In other news - woke up this morning and our heater was on the fritz. It’s not killer cold here, currently 33 degrees, but my wife was not happy while getting ready for work this morning.

Plumber will be here between noon and 3:00, and hopefully he’ll get the temp back to where it ought to be.

Oh man that sucks so hard. Our thermostat was busted when we came back from Canada.

That said, I’d still rather live in Michigan than in Florida.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:55:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:55:45am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

We also need to acknowledge as white people that the ending of slavery was unfortunately not the end of struggle by a long shot.

The Civil War was also about the spread of slavery to the new territories, remember that there was a full-fledged war going on in Kansas for years before the shooting started in Virginia…

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:57:27am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

View from my porch in TheBackwoods this morning:

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About what we have on the ground this morning in NW PA. Just a dusting last night.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:58:32am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Civil War was also about the spread of slavery to the new territories, remember that there was a full-fledged war going on in Kansas for years before the shooting started in Virginia…

Right, that was the whole premise of the Republican Party’s founding. Yep Bloody Kansas. What I’m talking about here though is how even if the 13th amendment did formally abolish slavery, it wasn’t like things become sunshine and flowers for African-Americans after that. The sharecropping system was awful in its own way and while we did learn about it in school, we didn’t learn the extent of it. I also wish we could have learned more about the Great Migration too. Reading Isabel Wilkerson’s The Warmth of Other Suns was such a fascinating read for me because I definitely thought about all the African-Americans I knew growing up who no doubt had parents or grandparents that left the rural South for more urban areas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:59:58am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Reading Isabel Wilkerson’s The Warmth of Other Suns was such a fascinating read for me because I definitely thought about all the African-Americans I knew growing up who no doubt had parents or grandparents that left the rural South for more urban areas.

Those people made up nearly half of the neighborhood where I grew up in Gary, Indiana, most of the remainder were from Mexico and other points south.

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:00:34am
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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:01:21am

re: #124 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Know the feeling.

BTW Lizards. Space X is scheduled to launch CRS-16 today at 1316 EST.

Thanks for the note. I’m always good for a rocket launch. Just brought up SpaceX in a new tab to remind me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:03:01am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

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uh huh

Compared to that walking piece of Mr. Hankey, Hillary is Mary Poppins.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:11:00am

re: #134 lawhawk

Thread:

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It’s a lot along the lines of my tweet above and the response of magidiots who think that the uniform is a get out of prison free card because you can’t question their loyalty, when that’s exactly what you need to do when you’re conspiring against the US.

Flynn was an undeclared foreign agent who was working with Trumpworld to further an agenda that was at odds to American national security. He was busy installing people as part of the transition team who were compromised and complicit. He was covering for a compromised and complicit Trump (and Pence).

Yeah, he violated his oaths - de facto and de jure.

Military oath:

Undeclared foreign agent means he violates “bear true faith and allegience to the US”. Obey the UCMJ? Yeah, violated that too.

His oath as NSA:

Yeah, Flynn violated his oaths. He dishonored his uniform. He disgraced the nation with his criminal misconduct, and the only reason he’s not in prison is because he was first to turn on Trumpworld and got a sweetheart deal.

Can the Army do anything to strip him of his former rank and more or less toss his butt out of the military retroactively?

They don’t need him to be called general or associated with them any longer since he basically dishonored the uniform.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:13:58am

re: #136 Belafon

Just Karl
@justkarl
Donald Trump is nearly as unpopular in small towns as he is in suburban areas and cities, according to a new poll bloomberg.com

2:28 PM - Dec 3, 2018

Is the New York Times going to run out to small town America and ask the Trump voters why they are abandoning their Donny?

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Seafaring, coquito drinking Santa!  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:15:18am

re: #95 A Mom Anon

Good Morning Lizards, wherever you are. Sorry to keep jetting in and out of here. A lot of time I am here via iPhone and I have been known to have to close the browser and only be able to return 4 or even 10 hours later. I cannot keep up with you adorable reptiles. I wish it was because I had this big adventurous life, but alas, no. We’re having a multi flaming dumpster fire crash here and I am not having fun.

I just wanted to offer up all the hugs 🤗 I can to everyone dealing with loss, grief, loneliness, depression or just the damned human condition or whatever your name for it. It’s already a complicated time of year for many families and having more shit on top of that general madness can wipe the smile off anyone’s face. The last couple of years have been tough on many of us and I know that love and encouragement have come to me via this place and it matters. So while I can’t give all of you a real hug, know that I wish I could. (And now back to coverage of Project Enduring Clusterfuck USA vs World)

*hugs*

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:17:43am

And over here in my corner of the world

Two Suffolk County election workers and a local Independence party leader were charged with forging signatures on nominating petitions in an attempt to boost the chances of GOP candidates, according to a Wednesday Newsday report.

A local Republican party leader, Amos Goodman, is expected to be charged later this week on similar counts.

Election workers William Mann and Gregory Dickerson and party leader Patricia Mansir allegedly wrote false names, some belonging to dead people, on Green Party, Independence and Republican nominating petitions to try to increase the chances for the Republican candidates.

They can’t win unless they cheat.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:19:01am

re: #176 ObserverArt

Is the New York Times going to run out to small town America and ask the Trump voters why they are abandoning their Donny?

They’ll just dig deeper and find the hard core Red Hats who are ‘bucking the trend.’

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:19:02am

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

NYT opinion piece by Ross Douthat: Why We Miss the WASPs

As a WIC’D, (White Irish-Catholic Democrat) I don’t miss the WASPs at all.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:21:04am

re: #178 makeitstop

They can’t win unless they cheat.

Well, actually…

District Attorney Tom Sini said that none of the candidates for whom the accused forged signatures won their races.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:21:19am

good grief, he’s a moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:22:45am

re: #175 ObserverArt

Can the Army do anything to strip him of his former rank and more or less toss his butt out of the military retroactively?

They don’t need him to be called general or associated with them any longer since he basically dishonored the uniform.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:23:12am

re: #181 Sufficient unto the day…

Well, actually…

District Attorney Tom Sini said that none of the candidates for whom the accused forged signatures won their races.

Gonna have to cheat harder.
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:24:05am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

As a WIC’D, (White Irish-Catholic Democrat) I don’t miss the WASPs at all.

As a WISGC’D: White Irish Slavic Germanic Catholic Democrat, I concur. Our food is better too!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:24:27am

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hopefully OPEC will be keeping oil flows as is, not restricted. The World does not want to see, or need, higher oil prices!

Lots of countries would like to see higher oil prices. Russia for starters…

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:25:33am

re: #181 Sufficient unto the day…

Well, actually…

They can’t win unless they cheat, but that doesn’t mean they always win.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:25:46am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

As a WIC’D, (White Irish-Catholic Democrat) I don’t miss the WASPs at all.

I look on WASPs as the white-bread bun that holds the variegated submarine sandwich of American culture in place and keeps the hot sauce from dripping onto our fingers…

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:26:17am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

As a WISGC’D: White Irish Slavic Germanic Catholic Democrat, I concur. Our food is better too!

If a WIC’D = ‘Wicked”, I suppose a WISGC’D is “Whiskeyed”.

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Lidane  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:27:52am

re: #16 jaunte

Why does the “master race” always look like their family tree doesn’t fork?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:29:56am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I look on WASPS as the white-bread bun that holds the variegated submarine sandwich of American culture in place and keeps the hot sauce from dripping onto our fingers…

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:32:32am

I wonder how old David Neiwert is. I thought he was much younger than me…but if he was covering this stuff in ‘83, he has to be older.

Why yes…and thank you, Internet. Neiwert was…

Born: October 16, 1956 (age 62 years),

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:34:03am
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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:34:20am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh…Ron DouthShat in the New York Times.

Figures.

Why don’t I miss the WASPs?

Because I never gave a damn about them…

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:38:35am

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

Oh man that sucks so hard. Our thermostat was busted when we came back from Canada.

That said, I’d still rather live in Michigan than in Florida.

It’s closer to Canada…for when you have to escape.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:38:49am

re: #189 Decatur Deb

If a WIC’D = ‘Wicked”, I suppose a WISGC’D is “Whiskeyed”.

Aye. Even on my Rusyn Slovak side, there’s a distillery a few miles from Great Grandpa’s home village.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:43:16am

What happened now? Why is the market shitting the bed in early trading? -799.36 (-3.10)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:44:02am

I don’t hate the WASPs but I’m glad their era is past us too.

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Lidane  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:45:28am

Douthat has always been an insufferable tool. Now he’s an insufferable white supremacist tool.

I’m shocked. /s

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:45:39am

re: #197 Dr. Matt

What happened now? Why is the market shitting the bed in early trading? -799.36 (-3.10)

Probably because Trump is still Tariff man.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:46:12am

What I miss is frankly the New Deal consensus about the role of government. That government isn’t evil and it can in fact be used to improve our lives and that was something we all agreed upon until the right in both parties took advantage of the fact that many less well off whites were upset that liberals in both parties wanted that to mean something for people of other races, genders, and sexual orientation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:46:55am

re: #200 Belafon

Probably because Trump is still Tariff man. ddd

Tariffs work well in one direction. But Tariff Man forgets that a lot of foreign car companies produce autos in the US as well, for export to the Chinese market.

That is just too much for him to get his head around.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:47:28am

re: #199 Lidane

Douthat has always been an insufferable tool. Now he’s an insufferable white supremacist tool.

I’m shocked. /s

I wouldn’t call this white supremacy in itself but more so classism with some degree of looking down on those who don’t come from the elite backgrounds or have famous names. I do hear ya though. He’s a douche.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:50:16am

Fucking AssHole

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:50:36am

re: #197 Dr. Matt

What happened now? Why is the market shitting the bed in early trading? -799.36 (-3.10)

That’s yesterday’s close. The market is closed today for GHWB.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:50:52am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:50:59am

re: #197 Dr. Matt

No trading today, the -799 points was from yesterday.

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:52:01am
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:52:13am

Watched Trump and Melania just arrive. Both looked like they were scared stiff that they were going to be struck by lightning in the church.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:53:35am
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Interesting Times  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:53:44am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

That’s yesterday’s close. The market is closed today for GHWB.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:55:21am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:55:33am

re: #208 MsJ

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Uh no.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:56:27am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now imagine Obama saying that, yes I know way over done but here we have a Republican president flat out saying he doesn’t care about the debt.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:56:39am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Trumps have entered the cathedral.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall. How many cold shoulders are they going to get?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:57:24am

re: #207 Sufficient unto the day…

No trading today, the -799 points was from yesterday.

Ah. Oooops.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:58:31am

re: #164 Belafon

Having a personal email server is 1/11th of what she did. //

this is wrt the NRCC saying it was hacked

it’s still sort of on point and the votemaster and zenger nail it

…[back in 2016] Donald Trump, who opined that, “The DNC should be ashamed of themselves for allowing themselves to be hacked. They had bad defenses, and they were able to be hacked.” This is probably different, though, like the difference between Hillary Clinton’s use of a private e-mail account for government business and Ivanka Trump’s use of a private e-mail account for government business. The key difference there, was…wait, what was the difference again? Other than the fact that Ivanka had Hillary’s mistakes to learn from, and didn’t, that is. Kind of like how the NRCC had the DNC’s mistakes to learn from, and didn’t.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:59:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:00:17am

re: #215 makeitstop

Oh, to be a fly on the wall. How many cold shoulders are they going to get?

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:00:19am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

One way or another he won’t be there when it blows up…and between his mental state, his physical health, enough investigations to start an entire new branch of government, losing the house…

…or it will blow up REALLY FUCKING SOON while he’s still around.

Since Trump always lies, that means he WILL be present when it goes boom, therefore it must occur sooner rather than later.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:00:31am

A historic note about the Bushes.

They are thought to be upper crust New Englanders.

Well, George H W Bush’s grandfather Samuel Prescott Bush was born in New Jersey but made his way to Columbus Ohio through his work on the railroads.

He ended up as the general manager of the now gone Buckeye Steel Castings where they made railroad parts. Buckeye Steel was controlled at that time by Franklin Rockerfeller who was its president. Franklin of the famous Rockerfellers.

Samuel Prescott Bush is buried in Greenlawn Cemetery here on the near west side.

Prescott Bush, G W H Bush’s father was a son of Samuel Prescott Bush and was born here in Columbus.

So they really have Ohio roots!

This has been today’s lesson in Ohio History…the history of a “flyover” state.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:01:12am

re: #181 Sufficient unto the day…

Well, actually…

so they just werent good enough at it //

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:01:28am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

If there’s one good thing about Trump, it’s that he says out loud what the rest of the GOP says in private.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:02:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:04:25am

re: #221 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:04:43am

re: #221 ObserverArt

A historic note about the Bushes.

They are thought to be upper crust New Englanders.

Well, George H W Bush’s grandfather Samuel Prescott Bush was born in New Jersey but made his way to Columbus Ohio through his work on the railroads.

He ended up as the general manager of the now gone Buckeye Steel Castings where they made railroad parts. Buckeye Steel was controlled at that time by Franklin Rockerfeller who was its president. Franklin of the famous Rockerfellers.

Samuel Prescott Bush is buried in Greenlawn Cemetery here on the near west side.

Prescott Bush, G W H Bush’s father was a son of Samuel Prescott Bush and was born here in Columbus.

So they really have Ohio roots!

This has been today’s lesson in Ohio History…the history of a “flyover” state.

Family journeys are interesting. As you know, I have some Ohio roots too and in fact I still have some cousins there since Second Great Nana’s siblings stayed in Cleveland when Second Great Nana, Second Great Granddad, and Great Nana moved from Cleveland to the Pittsburgh area in the 1870’s. Priest I talked to said a lot of the Irish people left that part of Cleveland due the factories hiring Eastern European employees at cheaper wages.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:04:45am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m kind of hoping Trump pulls a Kanye during the funeral and points out this should be about him.

I know there’s an agreement that no one will talk bad about him, but if they talk about Bush as a good president, it might be hard for Trump not to interpret anything being said as a dig.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:05:42am

re: #227 Belafon

I’m kind of hoping Trump pulls a Kanye during the funeral and points out this should be about him.

I know there’s an agreement that no one will talk bad about him, but if they talk about Bush as a good president, it might be hard for Trump not to interpret anything being said as a dig.

Imagine if George or Jeb or one of the grandkids praises him as a father and grandfather.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:06:05am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Even the WH is Deep State and anti-Trump. Purge the WH.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:06:17am
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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:07:18am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

What I miss is frankly the New Deal consensus about the role of government. That government isn’t evil and it can in fact be used to improve our lives and that was something we all agreed upon until the right in both parties took advantage of the fact that many less well off whites were upset that liberals in both parties wanted that to mean something for people of other races, genders, and sexual orientation.

Which was sold to those less then well off whites as a way for the conservative right to gain power through them because they wanted to get away from the New Deal. And they did it as it cost them in taxes and as we see today, they don’t like their money touched especially by the poors…no matter their color.

Those idiots have been used against their own wishes for 40 plus years now and they are still too stupid to figure it out.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:07:26am

I put on the funeral. This is history.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:07:30am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:07:33am

Ugh, he’s doing that hand-triangle thing.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:07:34am

It’s 35 degrees in DC and none of the Bush family are wearing coats! WTH

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:07:53am

he looks miserable.

GOOD!

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:08:15am

re: #235 Dr. Matt

It’s 35 degrees in DC and none of the Bush family are wearing coats! WTH

WASPs don’t need coats.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:08:50am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

What I miss is frankly the New Deal consensus about the role of government. That government isn’t evil and it can in fact be used to improve our lives and that was something we all agreed upon until the right in both parties took advantage of the fact that many less well off whites were upset that liberals in both parties wanted that to mean something for people of other races, genders, and sexual orientation.

what i miss most is the art of compromise

Ben Franklin - urged his fellow delegates to be willing to sacrifice, not their principles, but their overwhelming urge to be right

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:09:17am

re: #231 ObserverArt

Which was sold to those less then well off whites as a way for the conservative right to gain power through them because they wanted to get away from the New Deal. And they did it as it cost them in taxes and as we see today, they don’t like their money touched especially by the poors…no matter their color.

Those idiots have been used against their own wishes for 40 plus years now and they are still too stupid to figure it out.

The grandchildren of radical miners becoming the champions of the men who fought their benefits. My grandmother’s sister’s children and even grandchildren are quite right wing. It’s sad honestly. I do think my Grandpa did my mom and her brother a favor by moving to Northern Va.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:10:04am

re: #238 dangerman

what i miss most is the art of compromise

Ah yes. Compromise is now seen as surrender by fanatics left and right.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:10:07am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Heh, I saw that last night on the news (your clip). I was going to post about that and done forgot all about it.

She is definitely working her way into conservaderp power and showing she is about more than just guns. Ugh.

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ipsos  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:10:09am

re: #221 ObserverArt

And Samuel’s father, James S. Bush, and grandfather, Obadiah Bush, were both from here in western New York. Bush 41 paid a visit to James’ grave a couple of decades ago when he visited the area. James was an abolitionist minister. Obadiah, his father, died at sea returning home from California in 1851. He was planning to bring the family west - and if he’d taken James S. to California, how history might have changed!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:12:01am

Trump looks very unhappy without his Twitter phone.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:13:19am

re: #243 Sir John Barron

Trump looks very unhappy without his Twitter phone.

Slight edit.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:13:39am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bill’s the type of person who would shake hands with Ken Starr in a situation such as this. He’s a people-person, period. It’s just who he is.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:14:11am

W looks more like how I remember his father when I was a child. Not unhealthy but definitely a man who is getting older.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:14:13am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:14:15am

re: #243 Sir John Barron

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:15:10am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

That’s yesterday’s close. The market is closed today for GHWB.

it takes the markets to not be open for us to dodge a bullet

(is dodge a bullet ok with peta?)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:16:08am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

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for Belafon:

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Dr. Matt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:16:17am

Tomorrow on twitter:

YESTERDAY WAS THE BIGGEST FUNERAL IN HISTORY THANKS TO “PRESIDENT TRUMP”.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:16:37am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

As a WIC’D, (White Irish-Catholic Democrat) I don’t miss the WASPs at all.

Hell, as a total WASP (White, anglo/welsh, Episcopalian) Democrat I don’t miss them either. But that’s Ross for you, in a nutshell.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:17:33am

re: #252 William Lewis

Hell, as a total WASP (White, anglo/welsh, Episcopalian) Democrat I don’t miss them either. But that’s Ross for you, in a nutshell.

Aren’t the Welsh, Celts though? :).

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:19:20am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Uh no.

The potato is now enemy number one.

I bet in five to ten years it will be a miracle food.

Anyone remember when athletes loaded up on carbs before a big run or game?

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:19:21am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

NEW: Trump has told aides he doesn’t care about the national debt in part because when it becomes truly untenable he will be out of office. thedailybeast.com

if you needed any proof that he doesnt give a shit about the country at all

no, we dont need to debate GHWB all over again

as he is the guy who’s front and center today: good, bad, or indifferent, there was not much doubt he was country before party before career

trump doesnt know the meaning of the words “service” or “sacrifice”
what a callous, craven, self absorbed hollow human being

fuck him every possible way, and invent a few more

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:21:00am

re: #254 ObserverArt

The potato is now enemy number one.

I bet in five to ten years it will be a miracle food.

Anyone remember when athletes loaded up on carbs before a big run or game?

That’s right. Potatoes are the best.

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:21:54am

This is what happens when the tangerine toddler has to sit next to the guy whose shoes he could never fill, but claims was not an American, and the woman who beat him in the popular vote and who he wanted to put in jail without so much an investigation.

Oh yeah, and Trump’s entire admin is under suspicion of high crimes.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:22:29am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Aren’t the Welsh, Celts though? :).

My family comes from the Marches. We’re so totally both English and Welsh it’s hard to sort it further. And the part of Wales that’s near was conquered by the Normans quite early. Shrug. Over 800 years later, it’s hard to be too worried about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:22:40am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Anyone remember when athletes loaded up on carbs before a big run or game?

Life is a marathon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:23:05am

re: #257 lawhawk

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:25:33am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

When you have to sit next to the couple that made up a racist lie about you.

it is history

and historic - rarely do all the present and past presidents come together in one place

these pictures and behaviors say it all

trump won
he’s the president
yes, he’ll even get a portrait
and still it’s so fucking obvious that he’s not in the club
and never will be

he’s got to buy and own a club to feel like he’s ‘in’
(and he’s still not)

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:26:02am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Cheney looks like he wants to take Trump hunting.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:26:39am

re: #258 William Lewis

My family comes from the Marches. We’re so totally both English and Welsh it’s hard to sort it further. And the part of Wales that’s near was conquered by the Normans quite early. Shrug. Over 800 years later, it’s hard to be too worried about it.

Yeah I’m just ribbing. My Dad’s DNA update has us in the heart of the Gaeltacht. Wouldn’t be surprised if I have cousins that speak Irish.

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CongoJack  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:27:06am

re: #262 Barefoot Grin

+100

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:27:18am

re: #262 Barefoot Grin

Cheney looks like he wants to take Trump hunting.

I do wonder what Cheney thinks of Trump. Probably more highly of him than Bush for sure.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:27:48am

re: #261 dangerman

it is history

and historic - rarely do all the present and past presidents come together in one place

these pictures and behaviors say it all

trump won
he’s the president
yes, he’ll even get a portrait
and still it’s so fucking obvious that he’s not in the club
and never will be

he’s got to buy and own a club to feel like he’s ‘in’
(and he’s still not)

And that is dangerous. George V would not let his cousin Wilhelm of Germany join the Royal Yacht Club, and in a tiff, he went off and started building his own navy, setting off an arms race that culminated in WW1.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:29:52am
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:30:09am

re: #254 ObserverArt

The potato is now enemy number one.

I bet in five to ten years it will be a miracle food.

Anyone remember when athletes loaded up on carbs before a big run or game?

still do

the shellacking that carbs got is pure marketing

i’ve been eating a diet weighted towards high complex carbs for 30+ years
i realize “I” am just one data point

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:31:44am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m just ribbing. My Dad’s DNA update has us in the heart of the Gaeltacht. Wouldn’t be surprised if I have cousins that speak Irish.

DNA is a very limited tool in my mind. People are quite fascinated with right now but the only times it says something really interesting is when it shows things like daddy isn’t really daddy (I’m waiting for that bombshell to burst in a family I know - the last born was fathered by a different man and he’s not smart enough to notice.)

Culture is a more valuable tool to understanding how people think of themselves and others.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:32:15am

re: #257 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

This is what happens when the tangerine toddler has to sit next to the guy whose shoes he could never fill, but claims was not an American, and the woman who beat him in the popular vote and who he wanted to put in jail without so much an investigation.

Oh yeah, and Trump’s entire admin is under suspicion of high crimes.

obama’s face is notwithstanding all you said, “no indictments on my watch of 8 years, while you barely made it into the building”

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:32:57am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

for Belafon:

[Embedded content]

Is that Cheney behind Bill C.? Is Cheney able to go out in daylight now? Did Blade give him a serum?

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:33:18am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

Would someone remind me why I’m supposed to think Trash Pandas are cute? I’d throw out that pan of eggs after that…

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:34:39am

re: #268 dangerman

Carbs are good. Sugar is “A carb”, not “carbS”.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:36:46am

re: #269 William Lewis

DNA is a very limited tool in my mind. People are quite fascinated with right now but the only times it says something really interesting is when it shows things like daddy isn’t really daddy (I’m waiting for that bombshell to burst in a family I know - the last born was fathered by a different man and he’s not smart enough to notice.)

Culture is a more valuable tool to understanding how people think of themselves and others.

I agree. That said, you can tell by surnames and that sort of thing. I already know my third grandmother was an Irish speaker.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:36:57am

John Meachem just stuck a shive in Dump with the “Wall Fell” comment. Damn that was a clean cut.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:37:05am

Who’s speaking right now? Ah Jon Meacham.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:37:15am

re: #269 William Lewis

DNA is a very limited tool in my mind. People are quite fascinated with right now but the only times it says something really interesting is when it shows things like daddy isn’t really daddy (I’m waiting for that bombshell to burst in a family I know - the last born was fathered by a different man and he’s not smart enough to notice.)

Culture is a more valuable tool to understanding how people think of themselves and others.

Have to admit I just caved and sent away for the Ancestry DNA kit, although I have managed to track most of my European links. Still, could be some pleasant surprises.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:37:19am

re: #275 Dave In Austin

John Meachem just stuck a shive in Dump with the “Wall Fell” comment. Damn that was a clean cut.

Oh Jon Meacham. Good historian.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:37:36am

re: #277 Sir John Barron

Have to admit I just caved and sent away for the Ancestry DNA kit, although I have managed to track most of my European links. Still, could be some pleasant surprises.

TBH it’s gotten better.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:37:37am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Not Cool-Hand Luke.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:37:47am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Who’s speaking right now?

Jon Meacham, historian, wrote a biography of GHW Bush (among others).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:38:19am

re: #281 Sir John Barron

Jon Meacham, historian, wrote a biography of GHW Bush (among others).

Yes, I have his Andrew Johnson bio.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:38:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:41:35am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:41:56am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

Remember: Cheney said deficits don’t matter. So this is a common Republican theme when they blow up the deficits — and the corresponding debt. The Clinton tax plan led to the first balanced budget in years; as soon as Bush 43 got in, the GOP looked for ways to explode it.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:42:30am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Yes, I have his Andrew Johnson bio.

I think you mean Andrew Jackson. Yes I have that. Think he did one on Thomas Jefferson, too. I sometimes get Meacham confused with H. H. Brands and Evan Thomas.

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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:43:40am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Evil always senses a kindred spirit.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:43:45am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:44:14am

re: #286 Sir John Barron

I think you mean Andrew Jackson. Yes I have that. Think he did one on Thomas Jefferson. I sometimes get Meacham confused with H. H. Brands and Evan Thomas.

Jackson yes sorry. I have Brands’ Jackson and FDR. Wasn’t aware that Meacham did a TJ one too. He’s a good historian. Evan Thomas has a RFK one that is supposed to be good as well. Brands’ FDR one I think was excellent. It was fair. I don’t know Brands’ political leanings though I think he leans more conservative than other historians, I don’t think he’s rigidly right wing either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:44:24am

re: #268 dangerman

still do

the shellacking that carbs got is pure marketing

i’ve been eating a diet weighted towards high complex carbs for 30+ years
i realize “I” am just one data point

ditto with cholesterol. turns out that it is an easy thing to study

but it is only part of a diet, which is more complex a thing to study

and a diet is part of an overall lifestyle, which is even more complex…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:44:34am
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Ferdinand  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:44:50am

Meacham’s eulogy is worth watching in full. Incredible rhetoric, and as noted a powerful statement to his face of everything Trump will never be.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:44:56am

re: #287 plansbandc

Evil always senses a kindred spirit.

I still contend that W would have been a better President without Cheney and that’s coming from someone who hated W as President.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:44:57am

re: #288 Patricia Kayden

There see we told you there was Massive voter fraud everywhere and…oh wait no not in this election just a couple of irregularities no biggie.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:45:19am

re: #292 Ferdinand

Meacham’s eulogy is worth watching in full. Incredible rhetoric, and as noted a powerful statement to his face of everything Trump will never be.

Not just as a statesman but a man too.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:45:20am

re: #292 Ferdinand

Meacham’s eulogy is worth watching in full. Incredible rhetoric, and as noted a powerful statement to his face of everything Trump will never be.

Not even intentionally, just naturally.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:46:00am

re: #296 Sir John Barron

Not even intentionally, just naturally.

Well from the minute HW Bush entered public service by enlisting in the Navy, he showed more character than Trump ever would.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:46:32am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Jackson yes sorry. I have Brands’ Jackson and FDR. Wasn’t aware that Meacham did a TJ one too. He’s a good historian. Evan Thomas has a RFK one that is supposed to be good as well. Brands’ FDR one I think was excellent. It was fair. I don’t know Brands’ political leanings though I think he leans more conservative than other historians, I don’t think he’s rigidly right wing either.

Yes, The Art of Power.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:47:01am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Well from the minute HW Bush entered public service by enlisting in the Navy, he showed more character than Trump ever would.

See how biased he was against Trump from the beginning?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:47:42am

re: #298 Sir John Barron

Yes, The Art of Power.

Oh I didn’t know he had written about that. I just assumed he leaned conservative since he teaches at Texas A&M and has reviewed for NR I believe. I still like him even though I think NR is a cesspool.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:47:56am

re: #273 Sufficient unto the day…

Carbs are good. Sugar is “A carb”, not “carbS”.

it is simple isnt it?
“eat complex carbs”

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:48:54am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Clintons were at his third wedding so it’s interesting how Trump completely destroyed that friendship.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:49:14am

re: #280 Barefoot Grin

Not Cool-Hand Luke.

well he had dragline as his official egg peeler

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:49:18am

re: #285 Hecuba’s daughter

Remember: Cheney said deficits don’t matter. So this is a common Republican theme when they blow up the deficits — and the corresponding debt. The Clinton tax plan led to the first balanced budget in years; as soon as Bush 43 got in, the GOP looked for ways to explode it.

I remember those halcyon days when we were running a surplus under Clinton and Rush Limbaugh came on to say that it is immoral for the government to run a surplus, it means they are taking more money from us than they need to operate…

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:50:06am

re: #261 dangerman

it is history

and historic - rarely do all the present and past presidents come together in one place

these pictures and behaviors say it all

trump won
he’s the president
yes, he’ll even get a portrait
and still it’s so fucking obvious that he’s not in the club
and never will be

he’s got to buy and own a club to feel like he’s ‘in’
(and he’s still not)

That bit I made bold type sums up his entire life. He was always trying to buy his way in and he still is.

And no one really ever wanted him or liked him.

That will be his true legacy.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:50:18am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right to left…
Michelle: lordz grant me the serenity not to get up & slap this orange beast.
Barack: lordz please give Michelle the serenity not to get up & slap the orange beast.
Melania: Lordz, when will the orange beast be gone.
Orange beast: I’m the Tariff Man

WJC: i’m glad im way over here

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:50:22am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Oh I didn’t know he had written about that. I just assumed he leaned conservative since he teaches at Texas A&M and has reviewed for NR I believe. I still like him even though I think NR is a cesspool.

Brands is from Texas A&M. See how confusing these guys are.

From six degrees of separation, the associate rector at my Episcopal church went to school with Meacham, at an episcopal college in Tennessee. (she, my assoc rector, didn’t like Meacham much, FWIW).

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:50:53am

re: #302 Patricia Kayden

The Clintons were at his third wedding so it’s interesting how Trump completely destroyed that friendship.

Everything Trump touches dies

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:51:13am

Who is eulogizing right now? Baker?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:51:32am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Who is eulogizing right now?

Former Canadian PM. Mulroney?

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:51:41am

Trump is sitting there with his arms folded tightly and that slappable scowl on his face. Fucking asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:52:10am

re: #310 Sir John Barron

Former Canadian PM. Mulroney?

Ah of course. Should have realized that when he talked about being a young Canadian law student d’oh.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:52:27am

Yeah Brian Mulroney.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:52:34am

Damn, Meacham is slaying Trump

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:52:58am

re: #310 Sir John Barron

Former Canadian PM. Mulroney?

And he just put a shiv into Trump by mentioning he (Bush) took notes during a meeting.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:53:35am

re: #315 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

And he just put a shiv into Trump by mentioning he (Bush) took notes during a meeting.

Just about everything GWH did was a shive to the guy in the WH now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:54:05am
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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:54:09am
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:54:13am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember those halcyon days when we were running a surplus under Clinton and Rush Limbaugh came on to say that it is immoral for the government to run a surplus, it means they are taking more money from us than they need to operate…

…this year

yeah - if you ignore paying down debt and what may happen next year

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:54:32am

re: #275 Dave In Austin

John Meachem just stuck a shive in Dump with the “Wall Fell” comment. Damn that was a clean cut.

I’m not watching. Can you expound on that comment a bit?

Or, maybe it was so good, I’ll have to keep an eye out for a YouTube or some audio recording.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:54:34am

Now Mulroney is saying good things about NATO and criticizing Russia. Why is he so anti-Trump?

////

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Ferdinand  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:55:09am

Meacham had a line about how 41 conducted politics with his “big hands”. Heh.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:55:12am

It’s crazy for me to think that this is the world I was born into. I never would have voted for President Bush but I do appreciate his leadership during that time even if I wouldn’t have agreed with everything.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:55:27am

re: #305 ObserverArt

That bit I made bold type sums up his entire life. He was always trying to buy his way in and he still is.

And no one really ever wanted him or liked him.

That will be his true legacy.

yup

‘i won and nobody wants to play with me”

(they all just want to play you)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:55:43am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember those halcyon days when we were running a surplus under Clinton and Rush Limbaugh came on to say that it is immoral for the government to run a surplus, it means they are taking more money from us than they need to operate…

Limbaugh has no principles at all.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:56:01am

NAFTA!

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:56:06am

re: #311 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Trump is sitting there with his arms folded tightly and that slappable scowl on his face. Fucking asshole.

‘what a waste of time. i could be tweeting right now….”

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Ferdinand  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:56:19am

Hah! Now thanking 41 for NAFTA!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:56:27am

re: #327 dangerman

‘what a waste of time. i could be tweeting right now….”

“Who has my phone?”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:56:46am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember those halcyon days when we were running a surplus under Clinton and Rush Limbaugh came on to say that it is immoral for the government to run a surplus, it means they are taking more money from us than they need to operate…

And my brainwashed relatives said that it didn’t matter how high the debt got under Republicans because God told them to institute a year of jubilee when all debts were cancelled.

And that really appealed to my tax cheating brother in law who got nailed by the IRS.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:56:50am

Leadership, leadership.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:56:54am

Environmental protections! When will this sacrilege end?!?!?!?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:57:09am

My gosh this is just brutal

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:58:00am

Not wasting any time watching this KKKannonization.

Pulling out the newly released Outer Limits Blu Ray set.

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Ferdinand  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:58:06am

And 41’s environmental and ADA legislation! “There’s a word for that - leadership.” Go Canadian guy!

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 8:59:02am

re: #301 dangerman

it is simple isnt it?
“eat complex carbs”

And is not the now lowly potato a complex carb?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:00:02am

re: #333 Sir John Barron

My gosh this is just brutal

it is a thing of utter beauty

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:00:05am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

It’s crazy for me to think that this is the world I was born into. I never would have voted for President Bush but I do appreciate his leadership during that time even if I wouldn’t have agreed with everything.

he made some good decisions
some bad
some reprehensible
and some i just didnt agree with

that’s what politics is and im fine with it (except the reprehensible ones)

when he was president he was the president to all americans and the american leader to the entire world

after all that’s the basics of the job. only pointing out wrt ghwb because….today and the contrast to….today’s president*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:00:22am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Limbaugh has no principles at all.

contrarianness

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:00:35am

I think this goes to show you how far the right has gone too. Because Mulroney until Harper was one of the more conservative Canadian leaders as well. It’s not like Mulroney was his generation’s Trudeau.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:01:03am

Beautiful tribute to a friend and a global partner. Well done Mulroney.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:04:20am

re: #336 ObserverArt

And is not the now lowly potato a complex carb?

yup

nothing wrong with a potato - just what and how much you put on it

as for fries, also how many you eat

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:04:55am

Have to say I love Alan Simpson, not necessarily his politics, but his personality is great.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:05:07am

re: #342 dangerman

yup

nothing wrong with a potato - just what and how much you put on it

as for fries, also how many you eat

I’m eating more than 6. I’m eating them all. All the fries!

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:05:12am

re: #326 Sir John Barron

NAFTA!

re: #328 Ferdinand

Hah! Now thanking 41 for NAFTA!

Heh. How did Big Bill take that? Was the camera on him at that moment?

As many know, Bill gets trashed for NAFTA more than Bush.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:05:16am

Trump will be the emperor we leave on the colosseum floor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:05:29am

re: #330 Joe Bacon 🌹

And my brainwashed relatives said that it didn’t matter how high the debt got under Republicans because God told them to institute a year of jubilee when all debts were cancelled.

And that really appealed to my tax cheating brother in law who got nailed by the IRS.

a jubilee year also meant that all the slaves were to be freed…not such a big hit among that clientele

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:06:17am

re: #343 Sir John Barron

Have to say I love Alan Simpson, not necessarily his politics, but his personality is great.

If more Republicans were like him, they’d be better. His friendship with Norman Mineta is a neat story in itself. He’s the Republican from Wyoming that we should have gotten to know better.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:06:58am

re: #344 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I’m eating more than 6. I’m eating them all. All the fries!

remember when McD used to advertise “one for the road” for the driver eat to while bringing back the order?

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:07:04am

re: #343 Sir John Barron

Have to say I love Alan Simpson, not necessarily his politics, but his personality is great.

a plain talker much like biden
as i remember he was also agreeable to working with colleagues (compromise) and getting the job done (results)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:07:46am

This Don’t Cry for me Argentina story is funny.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:07:48am

re: #349 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

remember when McD used to advertise “one for the road” for the driver eat to while bringing back the order?

No! I don’t remember that!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:08:22am

re: #350 dangerman

a plain talker much like biden
as i remember he was also agreeable to working with colleagues (compromise) and getting the job done (results)

He’s old enough to be my Grandpa and more progressive on LGBT rights than Ben Shapiro who is closer to my age than I am to my two brothers.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:08:28am

re: #344 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I’m eating more than 6. I’m eating them all. All the fries!

6 is stupid and out of context

no problem with a ‘baked potato’s worth” of fries

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:08:53am

Bill Clinton has been sitting there through all the eulogies with his mouth agape and a goofy grin on his face.

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Dizzy  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:10:55am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:12:08am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a jubilee year also meant that all the slaves were to be freed…not such a big hit among that clientele

KKKristians forget about that part.

Libertarians too…flashback to 45 years ago as a Pitt freshman debating with a member of the Young Libertarian Alliance who defended slavery because…people should have the freedom to choose slavery as a lifestyle…

DID I EVER TELL YOU FOLKS ABOUT HOW MUCH I HATE AYN RAND????

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:12:09am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:12:14am

Man they’re definitely shading Trump even if it’s not the intention. Because a lot of the things the man was simply were the opposite of Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:12:18am

re: #354 dangerman

6 is stupid and out of context

no problem with a ‘baked potato’s worth” of fries

gotcha

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:12:59am

Simpson referenced GHW saying “Those who travel the high road of humility in Washington are [something something]….”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:13:05am
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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:13:41am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:14:01am

re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

gotcha

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That will need gallons of sour cream, buckets of shredded cheese and chives and lots of bacon bits…and don’t forget the butter…

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:14:22am

re: #357 Joe Bacon 🌹

KKKristians forget about that part.

Libertarians too…flashback to 45 years ago as a Pitt freshman debating with a member of the Young Libertarian Alliance who defended slavery because…people should have the freedom to choose slavery as a lifestyle…

DID I EVER TELL YOU FOLKS ABOUT HOW MUCH I HATE AYN RAND????

“They had food, shelter, good work to do, discipline, who wouldn’t want that.”

/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:15:08am

re: #365 Sir John Barron

“They had food, shelter, good work to do, discipline, who wouldn’t want that.”

/

And that idiotic Libertarian used Penthouse Letters to justify his pro-slavery stance…

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:15:17am

re: #361 Sir John Barron

Simpson referenced GHW saying “Those who travel the high road of humility in Washington are [something something]….”

Forgot the end of, but probably something like “aren’t stuck in traffic.”

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:16:16am

re: #357 Joe Bacon 🌹

KKKristians forget about that part.

Libertarians too…flashback to 45 years ago as a Pitt freshman debating with a member of the Young Libertarian Alliance who defended slavery because…people should have the freedom to choose slavery as a lifestyle…

DID I EVER TELL YOU FOLKS ABOUT HOW MUCH I HATE AYN RAND????

Or “Slavery was bad, but it was especially bad for…poor whites and the White race.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:16:47am

re: #366 Joe Bacon 🌹

And that idiotic Libertarian used Penthouse Letters to justify his pro-slavery stance…

needless to say…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:17:44am

re: #368 Sir John Barron

Or “Slavery was bad, but it was especially bad for…poor whites and the White race.”

it was, in fact.

depressed wages

and the Confederate Conscription Act included an exemption for any man who owned more than 20 slaves

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:17:52am
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:18:12am

Okay, that song was impressive!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:19:24am

re: #371 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Exactly

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:20:01am

re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

gotcha

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well played
i surrender

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:21:01am

Speaking of Micky D’s commercials…look what I found.

Trump - McDonald’s Commercial (2002)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:21:49am

re: #374 dangerman

well played
i surrender

as long as you only cut it into six pieces, it is fine!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:21:54am

re: #355 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Bill Clinton has been sitting there through all the eulogies with his mouth agape and a goofy grin on his face.

Because BC is enjoying every shiv stuck up Tweetler’s ass.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:21:59am

re: #357 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well…I mean, some people DO choose that, the people in the whips n’ leather set…

But…umm…err…

THEY WEREN’T GIVEN A CHOICE!

I would have had a hard time not jumping over the table at him, even if I had to get a table to put in front of me so I could jump on him…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:22:24am

I’ll never be a W fan but as a son, this is a fine tribute to a father from a son who loved his Dad dearly.

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:27:10am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

I’ll never be a W fan but as a son, this is a fine tribute to a father from a son who loved his Dad dearly.

As others are pointing out, everyone speaking here about GHWB seems to be taking digs at Trump, but that’s not what they meant. Trump is a fucknut who was, is, and always be, damaged goods and his entire admin is corrupt and compromised.

His personality is likewise damaged, so when you talk about the love a son has for his dad, or a foreign leader talks about his leadership skills, it’s impossible not to note that none of this will be spoken of when Trump eventually faces this situation.

Mortality makes you introspective, and Trump lacks that just as surely as he lacks empathy.

Those speaking about GHWB can disagree with his policies or outcomes, but note that he served the nation in ways few ever have or ever will. They can talk about how he adored his family and sought to help others post-presidency with his charitable efforts. Etc.

You will be hard pressed to find anyone who will be able to say that of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:28:27am

re: #380 lawhawk

As others are pointing out, everyone speaking here about GHWB seems to be taking digs at Trump, but that’s not what they meant. Trump is a fucknut who was, is, and always be, damaged goods and his entire admin is corrupt and compromised.

His personality is likewise damaged, so when you talk about the love a son has for his dad, or a foreign leader talks about his leadership skills, it’s impossible not to note that none of this will be spoken of when Trump eventually faces this situation.

Mortality makes you introspective, and Trump lacks that just as surely as he lacks empathy.

Those speaking about GHWB can disagree with his policies or outcomes, but note that he served the nation in ways few ever have or ever will. They can talk about how he adored his family and sought to help others post-presidency with his charitable efforts. Etc.

You will be hard pressed to find anyone who will be able to say that of Trump.

Absolutely

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:28:38am

re: #378 Sufficient unto the day…

Well…I mean, some people DO choose that, the people in the whips n’ leather set…

But…umm…err…

THEY WEREN’T GIVEN A CHOICE!

Libertarian/Ayn Randian arguments would begin to make sense if were all hatched as fully-formed adults from a breeding vat, fitted with a basic education chip and sent out into the world to realize our potential as individuals.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:30:13am

re: #380 lawhawk

As others are pointing out, everyone speaking here about GHWB seems to be taking digs at Trump, but that’s not what they meant. Trump is a fucknut who was, is, and always be, damaged goods and his entire admin is corrupt and compromised.

His personality is likewise damaged, so when you talk about the love a son has for his dad, or a foreign leader talks about his leadership skills, it’s impossible not to note that none of this will be spoken of when Trump eventually faces this situation.

Mortality makes you introspective, and Trump lacks that just as surely as he lacks empathy.

Those speaking about GHWB can disagree with his policies or outcomes, but note that he served the nation in ways few ever have or ever will. They can talk about how he adored his family and sought to help others post-presidency with his charitable efforts. Etc.

You will be hard pressed to find anyone who will be able to say that of Trump.

No worry. Trump will say it about himself and his sons and daughter will try to do business off of him being a “great” president.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:30:15am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:31:19am

Gotta hand it to W. That was real nice.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:32:15am

That was beautiful. I shed a tear.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:34:36am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as long as you only cut it into six pieces, it is fine!

+1
yer just killin me over here

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:36:44am

re: #386 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

That was beautiful. I shed a tear.

I hated that man. My brother came in and said 2004 you is shaking your head and he’s right but I’ve become a man myself since then. Awful President but not without redeemable qualities.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:37:01am

re: #387 dangerman

+1
yer just killin me over here

but not eight, that would be too many!!!

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:38:31am

And now for something slightly different:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:38:33am

Priest is giving a nice speech here showing that our values do transcend religious labels.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:38:40am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

I hated that man. My brother came in and said 2004 you is shaking your head and he’s right but I’ve become a man myself since then. Awful President but not without redeemable qualities.

I never hated him.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:39:13am

re: #380 lawhawk

As others are pointing out, everyone speaking here about GHWB seems to be taking digs at Trump, but that’s not what they meant. Trump is a fucknut who was, is, and always be, damaged goods and his entire admin is corrupt and compromised.

His personality is likewise damaged, so when you talk about the love a son has for his dad, or a foreign leader talks about his leadership skills, it’s impossible not to note that none of this will be spoken of when Trump eventually faces this situation.

Mortality makes you introspective, and Trump lacks that just as surely as he lacks empathy.

Those speaking about GHWB can disagree with his policies or outcomes, but note that he served the nation in ways few ever have or ever will. They can talk about how he adored his family and sought to help others post-presidency with his charitable efforts. Etc.

You will be hard pressed to find anyone who will be able to say that of Trump.

if he hadnt left strict instructions, some survivor / fan / toadie will pay a bunch of folks

oh, sorry, you said ‘able’. i went with ‘willing’

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:39:34am

re: #392 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I never hated him.

I did. I was furious about 2000 and Iraq. I no longer do.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:41:14am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but not eight, that would be too many!!!

that’s the old pizza joke - cut it in 6 i dont think i could eat eight….

meanwhile the world is eulogizing GHWB and we’re here praising potatoes

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:46:15am

re: #392 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I never hated him.

Me neither.

I suspect if 9/11 doesn’t happen, he probably loses in 2004, and we probably think much less terribly of his presidency.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:47:04am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:47:14am

re: #396 KGxvi

Me neither.

I suspect if 9/11 doesn’t happen, he probably loses in 2004, and we probably think much less terribly of his presidency.

Yeah I think so too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:47:18am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:47:21am

re: #396 KGxvi

Me neither.

I suspect if 9/11 doesn’t happen, he probably loses in 2004, and we probably think much less terribly of his presidency.

Yeah, without 9/11 in the equation, W is most likely a one-termer.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:48:02am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pretty obvious from his body language he really doesn’t want to be there. He’d rather be hitting the links at Mar-A-Lago.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:49:03am

OT:

if you have a chance go to missingmoney.com and do a quick search

while everybody hasn’t necessarily lost something, interest things do show up, (ie things you didnt know you lost or were due to you)

tax refunds
utility and other deposit refunds
sometimes insurance refunds
lost paychecks (how can that happen? lots of ways)
escrow checks
undeposited checks

if i told you how much money i have ‘found’ (and collected) for clients and family over the last 15 years, (in number of items and total dollars) you would call me a liar.

even when you think you’ve found it all, due to statutes of limitations, new stuff pops up all the time

these days i have a list of names i check every 4-6 months.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:49:46am

maybe I am sentimentalizing and nostaligicizing, but I seem to recall a time in politics when you could disagree with a person’s politics and even hate what they stood for and what they did, even dislike them as a person - but not feel compelled to hate them, belittle them, and spread malicious and unfounded lies about them just to damage them.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:50:01am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

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a petulant child who is upset everything isn’t about him all the time?

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:51:55am

Didn’t even tip the valet.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:52:58am

Thing about W I appreciate is he never shat on Obama or went along with the petty shit people like Cheney did like calling Obama a terrorist sympathizer. Obama was always respectful to his Dad too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:53:26am

wait for it…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:54:42am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:57:54am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

I hated that man. My brother came in and said 2004 you is shaking your head and he’s right but I’ve become a man myself since then. Awful President but not without redeemable qualities.

May W burn in hell for lying us into a war that killed my son.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:59:26am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 9:59:39am

re: #409 Joe Bacon 🌹

May W burn in hell for lying us into a war that killed my son.

He definitely will have to face that some day. I hope I don’t come off as absolving him. I’m glad he’s not President anymore for sure.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:00:14am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

He definitely will have to face that some day. I hope I don’t come off as absolving him. I’m glad he’s not President anymore for sure.

so is he…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:00:18am

re: #410 gocart mozart

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Trump is too stupid to have a Night of Long Knives.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:01:34am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Trump is too stupid to have a Night of Long Knives.

Yeah, with Trump it’d be Night of the Wooden Butter Spreaders.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:01:53am

re: #403 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

maybe I am sentimentalizing and nostaligicizing, but I seem to recall a time in politics when you could disagree with a person’s politics and even hate what they stood for and what they did, even dislike them as a person - but not feel compelled to hate them, belittle them, and spread malicious and unfounded lies about them just to damage them.

there was such a time and that requires me to bring out an oldie but a goodie:

Why is politics no longer a clash of value systems, each of which is in some way valid; a competition between basically well-intentioned people who see the world differently?

Why has it become, not even a conflict of interests, but instead a degenerative, brutal struggle for office in which each side with righteous indignation believes only the other is and only can be capable of behaving despicably?

david brooks wrote this in 2003 (i am not otherwise a fan of his)
and he did both-sider it a bit. then it was ‘only’ 2003

over the years i have edited it somewhat for when i think it’s appropriate. because i see only one side, with righteous indignation…. and i’ve made other changes as well. this is the exact quote

hell even mccain said, of obama something like - “we come from different parties, not different countries.”

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:02:10am

re: #404 KGxvi

a petulant child who is upset everything isn’t about him all the time?

i wanna go out and play

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:02:14am

re: #410 gocart mozart

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Yes I see the Qwazy Q’s in my family deluded enough to believe that Trump is going to have a great victory today.

Nothing would please me more than to see Mueller drop another bomb on Orange Foolius after the funeral.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:03:37am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Trump is too stupid to have a Night of Long Knives.

He’s too cheap to buy sharp knives.

He’s even too cheap to buy the plastic knives on clearance at WalFART!

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:04:21am

re: #397 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’m ready!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:04:23am

re: #418 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s too cheap to buy sharp knives.

He’s even too cheap to even buy the plastic knives on clearance at WalFART!

Heh.

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Interesting Times  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:05:15am

re: #417 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nothing would please me more than to see Mueller drop another bomb on Orange Foolius after the funeral.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:06:20am

re: #421 Interesting Times

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Nobody gave him a box of cannolis to munch on…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:07:11am

re: #421 Interesting Times

Mueller rolling up and serving Trump’s indictment on the cathedral steps is “The Godfather” ending we so richly deserve.

How about GWHB sitting bolt upright in his coffin and serving the papers as Trump passes by?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:08:30am

re: #409 Joe Bacon 🌹

May W burn in hell for lying us into a war that killed my son.

My sympathies for your loss.

For all the damage that Trump has done to date to our body politic, he hasn’t been responsible for the thousands of American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths that resulted from W’s misguided war and incompetent follow-up. Iraq and Iran had nothing to do with 9/11, yet somehow they are the nations that have suffered from the Saudi attack.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:08:39am

re: #421 Interesting Times

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Needs to combine the Coen dark humor with somehow the somber tone of the GF trilogy. Definitely need Nino Rota’s Soundtrack.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:09:25am

re: #422 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nobody gave him a box of cannolis to munch on…

That’s how Don Altobello went.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:10:58am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:11:25am
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Interesting Times  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:11:32am

re: #424 Hecuba’s daughter

For all the damage that Trump has done to date to our body politic, he hasn’t been responsible for the thousands of American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths that resulted from W’s misguided war and incompetent follow-up.

Exactly. I’m actually disgusted by the whitewashing Dubya’s getting. I certainly hope he isn’t subject to this sort of hagiography when he dies, because that would be projectile vomit-worthy.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:13:03am

Love these old Christian hymns and Episcopal choirs.

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mmmirele  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:13:19am

Some of you may remember how MLM LuLaRoe was hit with a lawsuit last week from its supplier, Providence Industries, whuch asked for $49 million in compensation for failure to pay bills.

Today, the supplier is back in court asking for a temporary restraining order and an asset seizure. Here’s an article about it, but there’s one error. LLR wasn’t trying to offload $46 million in product to to a liquidator. It was trying to offload 46 million *pieces*-dresses, leggings, t-shirts.

businessinsider.com

Maybe I’ll set up a Page later since most of the legal docs are on a closed Facebook group called LuLaRoe Defective.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:14:14am

re: #429 Interesting Times

Exactly. I’m actually disgusted by the whitewashing Dubya’s getting. I certainly hope he isn’t subject to this sort of hagiography when he dies, because that would be projectile vomit-worthy.

I’m sorry. He shouldn’t. Was just observing his speech simply as a son mourning his Dad. Him and I have losing a loved one recently in common. It doesn’t change his place in history. I 100% agree.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:15:44am

re: #403 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

maybe I am sentimentalizing and nostaligicizing, but I seem to recall a time in politics when you could disagree with a person’s politics and even hate what they stood for and what they did, even dislike them as a person - but not feel compelled to hate them, belittle them, and spread malicious and unfounded lies about them just to damage them.

I lived through the 1960’s : A president assassinated, a great civil rights leader assassinated, a presidential contender assassinated, rioting in major cities, 4 little girls murdered in a bombing — another time when it was unclear whether we would survive especially with nuclear war lurking over us. There was always this darkness in our country and our politics.

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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:17:16am

re: #430 Sir John Barron

It’s what I grew up with.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:17:26am

Lift off. They are going to attempt a 1st stage landing at LZ1 today.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:17:39am

Max-Q
Vroom, no boom

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:19:06am

re: #423 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How about GWHB sitting bolt upright in his coffin and serving the papers as Trump passes by?

in the movie Charade one of the ‘conspirators’ pricks the dead guy in the coffin with a pin to be sure he’s dead

another one uses a mirror to check he’s not breathing, etc..

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:21:07am

re: #433 Hecuba’s daughter

I lived through the 1960’s : A president assassinated, a great civil rights leader assassinated, a presidential contender assassinated, rioting in major cities, 4 little girls murdered in a bombing — another time when it was unclear whether we would survive especially with nuclear war lurking over us. There was always this darkness in our country and our politics.

This I agree with. I do think this whole thing gets romanticized by the media and I think its genesis was in the Tip O’Neill-Reagan stuff fifteen years ago or so. Most of this stuff was between other white politicians and journalists. I don’t hate President Bush but he did play with racial fire when he did the Willie Horton ad, he did go with Reagan who race baited too, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:25:05am

I also think it’s easier for politicians who are already doing well to disagree than those of us who get negatively impacted by bad Republican policies to go “Well, he was a good person at least” because A) We don’t know that person and B) That may well be but their policies turned my life upside down. As far as I’m concerned, the Republican Party has never seriously addressed the race baiting it did to get Southern whites to support them and the reason for that frankly is they’re still doing it. Corey Stewart ran a campaign that George Wallace would have been proud of just this Fall.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:25:49am

OOPS! They lost stage one. Water landing.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:26:11am

yes, yes it is

YouTube

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:26:49am

Stage 1 in the water off Cape Canaveral
Shame on them cutting the video feed

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:27:22am

re: #427 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Space X is now live streaming.

Looks like the first stage booster started to go out of control and they cut the video. And then they say they had a “water landing.”

Oops!

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:28:28am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Stage 1 in the water off Cape Canaveral
Shame on them cutting the video feed

Yeah, that sucked. Before they cut the video, I noticed that the first stage was starting to spin. Did you catch that?

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:29:12am

re: #443 ObserverArt

Looks like the first sage booster started to go out of control and they cut the video. And then they say they had a “water landing.”

Oops!

Yep.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:31:06am

re: #444 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Yeah, that sucked. Before they cut the video, I noticed that the first stage was starting to spin. Did you catch that?

Yeah, you could hear the crowd going “OOOOHHH” when the spin started. Also, the people gathered got to see the water landing(guess we’re not important enough), as they cheered and laughed during the water landing

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:31:16am

GWB on GHWB:

“The idea is to die young as late as possible.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:32:12am

re: #447 dangerman

GWB on GHWB:

I did like that. As I said, awful President but he paid tribute to his father in a way only he could.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:32:17am

re: #417 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes I see the Qwazy Q’s in my family deluded enough to believe that Trump is going to have a great victory today.

Nothing would please me more than to see Mueller drop another bomb on Orange Foolius after the funeral.

My RW brother denied knowing anything about Q earlier this year but then researched it and thought it was absolutely crazy BUT other than the pedophile allegations, he seems to spout the standard Q conspiracies, including Seth Rich. Most of the conspiracy theories predated Q and were widespread in conservative media.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:32:34am

re: #272 William Lewis

Hey now. Be nice. I hand raised a baby raccoon who lost his mom in a steel leg hold trap when he was only a day or two old,I was maybe 10 or so. He was my buddy and very sweet. Unless you tried to go after me, as my mom found out when she yelled at me while I was holding him. He bit her. So, I had to begin the process of teaching him to be a raccoon who had to survive on his own. I didn’t do too bad on that one, I eventually let him go in the woods behind our house. There was a pond and a stream with fish back there. He came back to see us a few times. With his own wife and kids after the first year. I loved the goofy little shit.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:33:45am

WTF?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:34:30am

re: #449 Hecuba’s daughter

My RW brother denied knowing anything about Q earlier this year but then researched it and thought it was absolutely crazy BUT other than the pedophile allegations, he seems to spout the standard Q conspiracies, including Seth Rich. Most of the conspiracy theories predated Q and were widespread in conservative media.

Does he know there isn’t a basement at Comet Pizza to begin with? I can volunteer and take pictures of the building if you promise to Venmo or Apple Pay me for the Pizza :) which I’ll also review.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:37:51am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

Does he know there isn’t a basement at Comet Pizza to begin with? I can volunteer and take pictures of the building if you promise to Venmo or Apple Pay me for the Pizza :) which I’ll also review.

Pizzagate was part of the pedophile allegations and that was the one theory he never bought and thought was crazy.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:38:53am

re: #449 Hecuba’s daughter

My RW brother denied knowing anything about Q earlier this year but then researched it and thought it was absolutely crazy BUT other than the pedophile allegations, he seems to spout the standard Q conspiracies, including Seth Rich. Most of the conspiracy theories predated Q and were widespread in conservative media.

The QAnon nonsense, specifically the pedo allegations, seems to be predominantly a continuation of the Pizzagate BS, with other RWNJ conspiracy theories added into the mix.

IIRC, the QAnon crap started not too long after the Pizzagate conspiracy theory got debunked.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:39:04am

re: #453 Hecuba’s daughter

Pizzagate was part of the pedophile allegations and that was the one theory he never bought and thought was crazy.

Ohhhhh. My bad. It’s funny how there are some things that are a bridge too far but others sound perfectly reasonable like Seth Rich.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:39:52am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

Does he know there isn’t a basement at Comet Pizza to begin with? I can volunteer and take pictures of the building if you promise to Venmo or Apple Pay me for the Pizza :) which I’ll also review.

You can’t convince my Qwazy family that there’s no secret cellar at Comet Pizza.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:40:09am

re: #454 Dr Lizardo

The QAnon nonsense, specifically the pedo allegations, seems to be predominantly a continuation of the Pizzagate BS, with other RWNJ conspiracy theories added into the mix.

IIRC, the QAnon crap started not too long after the Pizzagate conspiracy theory got debunked.

I suspect the Pedo shit was started by someone who needed to deflect some shit. Not accusing Alex Jones of molesting his kids but he definitely has a weird obsession with the idea that public figures he doesn’t like are child molesters.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:40:14am

re: #408 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

These tributes simply don’t match with how Bush Sr conducted his campaign against Dukakis. Lee Atwater ran an openly race baiting, vicious campaign that became part of the GOP repertoire and featured heavily in 2016.

Bush Sr opened the door for Trump white nationalism, and that is not being acknowledged.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:41:06am

re: #456 Joe Bacon 🌹

You can’t convince my Qwazy family that there’s no secret cellar at Comet Pizza.

As I said, I’ll take the Metro to DC, just Venmo or Apple Pay me for the pizza money and I’ll take photos. I’ll even tell the people there how awful I feel for the shit they’ve been through. Just pay for my pizza lunch.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:42:29am

re: #458 Scottish Dragon

These tributes simply don’t match with how Bush Sr conducted his campaign against Dukakis. Lee Atwater ran an openly race baiting, vicious campaign that became part of the GOP repertoire and featured heavily in 2016.

Bush Sr opened the door for Trump white nationalism, and that is not being acknowledged.

As I said, that perspective is one that the MSM never considers because they don’t want to consider opinions outside of middle white America’s and I think that is exactly why someone like ACO has them in fits of rage because of her being a Millennial Latina questioning the economic status quo.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:42:40am

re: #457 HappyWarrior

I suspect the Pedo shit was started by someone who needed to deflect some shit. Not accusing Alex Jones of molesting his kids but he definitely has a weird obsession with the idea that public figures he doesn’t like are child molesters.

It has a particular cache in American society, since it is about the worst thing you can accuse somebody of being and the mere accusation can ruin a life. That is why you see it used so so often in ugly divorce cases.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:44:08am

re: #458 Scottish Dragon

These tributes simply don’t match with how Bush Sr conducted his campaign against Dukakis. Lee Atwater ran an openly race baiting, vicious campaign that became part of the GOP repertoire and featured heavily in 2016.

Bush Sr opened the door for Trump white nationalism, and that is not being acknowledged.

Think of how Bush the lesser won the South Carolina primary by spreading false information about McCain that was designed to inflame the racists in the state.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:44:23am

re: #461 Scottish Dragon

It has a particular cache in American society, since it is about the worst thing you can accuse somebody of being and the mere accusation can ruin a life. That is why you see it used so so often in ugly divorce cases.

Definitely. And I think it’s why people respond so angrily to being called racist even if they don’t want to see that racist isn’t always or even mostly of the KKK/Nazi variety.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:44:58am

re: #462 Hecuba’s daughter

Think of how Bush the lesser won the South Carolina primary by spreading false information about McCain that was designed to inflame the racists in the state.

I’m shocked that McCain forgave over that. That shit was nasty.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:45:45am

re: #446 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, you could hear the crowd going “OOOOHHH” when the spin started. Also, the people gathered got to see the water landing(guess we’re not important enough), as they cheered and laughed during the water landing

Well before the webcast ended they said they had plenty of telemetry so it will be interesting to see what they find. Will also be interesting to see what NASA and the FAA will have to say about this failure as well. I fully expect a ban on further ground landings until they find out what happened.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:46:16am

re: #457 HappyWarrior

I suspect the Pedo shit was started by someone who needed to deflect some shit. Not accusing Alex Jones of molesting his kids but he definitely has a weird obsession with the idea that public figures he doesn’t like are child molesters.

Pedo allegations are an oldie but a goodie, like a jazz standard with a fresh arrangement; in this case, Pizzagate and QAnon are simply a fresh take on the Satanic Panic of the 1980’s. It’s pretty much the same crap, but instead of Satanic ritual abuse taking place in day care centers, now it’s in pizza parlors and it’s being committed by the elites.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:46:17am

Easy to your nice story on how this staunch Republican and Democrat got along because politics wasn’t personal to them and ignore the people who were scapegoated to help jump start that Republican’s career. I hope whe a new generation of historians look at Republicans of the 70’s through 90’s, they see that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:46:40am

re: #466 Dr Lizardo

Pedo allegations are an oldie but a goodie, like a jazz standard with a fresh arrangement; in this case, Pizzagate and QAnon are simply a fresh take on the Satanic Panic of the 1980’s. It’s pretty much the same crap, but instead of Satanic ritual abuse taking place in day care centers, now it’s in pizza parlors and it’s being committed by the elites.

That’s right. The Satanic panics.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:47:33am

re: #458 Scottish Dragon

These tributes simply don’t match with how Bush Sr conducted his campaign against Dukakis. Lee Atwater ran an openly race baiting, vicious campaign that became part of the GOP repertoire and featured heavily in 2016.

Bush Sr opened the door for Trump white nationalism, and that is not being acknowledged.

I get the feeling too many White people were either not aware of that, or sloughed it off as just politics.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:48:03am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #272 William Lewis

Would someone remind me why I’m supposed to think Trash Pandas are cute? I’d throw out that pan of eggs after that…

re: #280 Barefoot Grin

Not Cool-Hand Luke.

Not so cute. Pretty damn sad.
You gotta watch for a while

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:48:21am

re: #468 HappyWarrior

That’s right. The Satanic panics.

I am not a witch!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:49:26am

re: #469 ObserverArt

I get the feeling too many White people were either not aware of that, or sloughed it off as just politics.

That’s where the media needs to be better. It’s easy to shrug off Reagan’s now infamous 1980 Philadelphia, Mississppi speech as just being politics but imagine being a black person hearing the shit Reagan said about black people in coded language and then seeing the same man put up there on the Pantheon of great Americans. As I said on Friday, there are parts of HW Bush’s legacy I like and he deserves credit but he also deserves scorn too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:49:38am

re: #471 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am not a witch!

Wrong decade.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:50:58am

re: #461 Scottish Dragon

It has a particular cache in American society, since it is about the worst thing you can accuse somebody of being and the mere accusation can ruin a life. That is why you see it used so so often in ugly divorce cases.

And it’s been like that for a long time - I recall that line of dialogue in L.A. Confidential where after Russell Crowe’s character Bud White roughs up a wife beater, he tells him, “You’ll be out in a year and a half. I’ll get cozy with your parole officer. You touch her again, I’ll have you violated on a kiddie raper beef. You know what they do to kiddie rapers in Quentin, don’cha?”

That scene was set in the 1950’s, and granted, it’s fictional, but I’m pretty sure that even back then, pedos simply weren’t tolerated by anyone.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:52:15am

Oh and then you have Douhat’s homage to the WASPs and how sad he is their day has passed us in politics. Yeah Ross. I’m not sorry that an overwhelmingly white and male Protestant set of guys, many of whom probably belonged to country clubs that banned Jews, Catholics, and PoC from being members and fancied themselves more American than others because of their colonial ancestry aren’t the dominant force in politics anymore.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:52:59am

re: #446 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, you could hear the crowd going “OOOOHHH” when the spin started. Also, the people gathered got to see the water landing(guess we’re not important enough), as they cheered and laughed during the water landing

re: #465 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Well before the webcast ended they said they had plenty of telemetry so it will be interesting to see what they find. Will also be interesting to see what NASA and the FAA will have to say about this failure as well. I fully expect a ban on further ground landings until they find out what happened.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:54:31am

And please let us not forget that McCarthyism happened in the 50’s too. And that plenty of right wing mainstays have their genesis in apologizing for McCarthy’s shit either then ala Buckley/NR or now with Ann Coulter.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:54:31am

re: #466 Dr Lizardo

Pedo allegations are an oldie but a goodie, like a jazz standard with a fresh arrangement; in this case, Pizzagate and QAnon are simply a fresh take on the Satanic Panic of the 1980’s. It’s pretty much the same crap, but instead of Satanic ritual abuse taking place in day care centers, now it’s in pizza parlors and it’s being committed by the elites.

What is interesting is how the Epstein case keeps on getting covered up — and that involves a real case with real people, not a fantasy. I recall how a rising star in Chicago politics, Mel Reynolds, ended up in prison for statutory rape. Somehow the authorities haven’t been interested in investigating Epstein further — maybe too many politicians on both sides who were involved with teenage girls below the age of consent.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:54:46am

The batshit right”s pedo obsession looks like a form of political misdirection. There is about a Super-Max worth of RWNJ preachers locked up for molesting children, with new cases cropping up every week. This hits hard at the local level, where the conspiracists find their main audience, and therefore where they see the main need for deflection.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:57:25am

re: #478 Hecuba’s daughter

What is interesting is how the Epstein case keeps on getting covered up — and that involves a real case with real people, not a fantasy. I recall how a rising star in Chicago politics, Mel Reynolds, ended up in prison for statutory rape. Somehow the authorities haven’t been interested in investigating Epstein further — maybe too many politicians on both sides who were involved with teenage girls below the age of consent.

Indeed - the “Lolita Express” wasn’t some wacko conspiracy theory, it was very much the real deal and like you said, everyone just pretty much chooses to look away. Maybe because the reality of it is far too horrifying, and it involves real people and insane fantasies about pedo activity in the non-existent basements of pizza parlors and pedo camps out in the middle of fucking nowhere is somehow easier for people to cope with.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:59:37am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:02:57am

re: #481 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Why the fuck should she owe him anything? And you know what, I’m sure Michelle and Barack knew if they didn’t do anything, it would get a ton of stupid hot takes too. I’m old enough to remember when people accused Bill and Hill of being secret friends with the Trumps and now Hill shows her visible disgust with the man, she’s being too “rude.”

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:03:56am

@GaryLegum

Trump: *spends two years post-election calling his vanquished opponent crooked and threatening to sic the DOJ on her*
Clinton: *is somewhat chilly to Trump in person*
Conservatives: Where is that woman’s sense of decency!!???

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:05:26am

re: #483 jaunte

Literally called her a “nasty woman” at a debate. She doesn’t owe him shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:09:27am
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jaunte  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:13:03am

Trump can’t read, Giuliani can’t write. What a team!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:14:04am

re: #486 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Trump can’t read, Giuliani can’t write. What a team!

Rudy’s been hanging out with Trump too much.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:14:15am

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s not wearing his glasses and so cannot read the services.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:17:24am

re: #451 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

WTF?

Repels more than bears I guess.

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calochortus  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:17:46am

re: #488 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump’s not wearing his glasses and so cannot read the services.

If he ever went near a church, wouldn’t he have memorized this anyway?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:19:06am

re: #490 calochortus

If he ever went near a church, wouldn’t he have memorized this anyway?

Yeah but Trump is obviously a phony on religion. I think even the religious right knows that.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:19:32am

re: #465 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Well before the webcast ended they said they had plenty of telemetry so it will be interesting to see what they find. Will also be interesting to see what NASA and the FAA will have to say about this failure as well. I fully expect a ban on further ground landings until they find out what happened.

Why? As far as I can tell, they don’t land in populated areas. They don’t ground every plane when one crashes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:20:06am

re: #490 calochortus

If he ever went near a church, wouldn’t he have memorized this anyway?

It isn’t praising him so why would he have memorized it?

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:20:21am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:21:21am

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

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calochortus  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:22:22am

re: #493 Hecuba’s daughter

It isn’t praising him so why would he have memorized it?

So true. If it’s not about him, it’s unimportant.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:22:38am

re: #494 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Sweet Jesus. I didn’t know about that. Relieved to know he’s from Kilkenny and not NYC though since I have distant cousins from NYC named Tynan.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:23:51am

re: #495 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

And if the Evangelicals weren’t power hungry hypocrites, they’d criticize him for this. Hell even though I’m not religious at all, I always go along with the pre-meal that my niece learned when she went to a Christian pre-school.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:24:23am

A normal President would have had a pre-funeral briefing to be familiar with the various usual expections.

But the moron is smarter than the rest of the evangelicals…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:28:23am

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

A normal President would have had a pre-funeral briefing to be familiar with the various usual expections.

But the moron is smarter than the rest of the evangelicals…

Deep down the Evangelicals are just power hungry. They didn’t care about legalized abortion until they saw it as a means to gain some political power that they weren’t getting on other issues.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:28:56am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

Literally called her a “nasty woman” at a debate. She doesn’t owe him shit.

“owe” is the wrong word anyway

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:37:05am

re: #489 Belafon

Repels more than bears I guess.

Thank dog Amazon doesn’t sell guns and ammunition.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:57:18am

re: #476 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Interesting. Appears undamaged sounds promising. Wonder if they will be able to use again?


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