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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:31:14am

There is no deal.

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:37:30am

There’s not even an agreement to negotiate further with a framework everyone understands, least of all Trump.

He roiled the markets because the markets forgot that no one should trust what Trump says unless they’ve got independent verification from multiple sources that X occurred or will occur.

I know it’s tough when all Trump does is lie, and at the same time he telegraphs/projects exactly what he’s going to do, but everyone, including his own DOJ warns, not to trust what Trump says - especially on Twitter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:39:24am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:39:49am

SpaceX pulled it off!

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:40:13am

re: #2 lawhawk

There’s not even an agreement to negotiate further with a framework everyone understands, least of all Trump.

He roiled the markets because the markets forgot that no one should trust what Trump says unless they’ve got independent verification from multiple sources that X occurred or will occur.

I know it’s tough when all Trump does is lie, and at the same time he telegraphs/projects exactly what he’s going to do, but everyone, including his own DOJ warns, not to trust what Trump says - especially on Twitter.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:41:15am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Got an Android phone? How do you feel about fact Facebook was harvesting your call logs? And then deliberately trying to obscure that it had done so?

nope
not now
not ever

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:43:21am
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calochortus  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:44:01am

re: #2 lawhawk

The markets forgot nothing-they never knew it. Fund managers want to buy on rumor, so they’re ahead of everyone else. These days it’s hard to have a moment to reflect on the quality of the rumor. There is also a long history of everyone doing the same thing so no one can be singled out for blame.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:45:28am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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I doubt he thought about them at all. In fact, he probably thinks his own memorial will be full of people kissing his ass.

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calochortus  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:46:09am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

I doubt he thought about them at all. In fact, he probably thinks his own memorial will be full of people kissing his ass.

Only if he utilizes hired mourners.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:46:53am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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Metamucil is the only thing that can move Trump.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:47:11am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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“moved trump” requires introspection

so…no.

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calochortus  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:47:28am

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ewwwww.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:48:01am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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The only thing that I want moving Trump is a prison van.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:48:01am

re: #10 calochortus

Only if he utilizes hired mourners.

i said that last thread
he’ll probably put it in his will/instructions

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:48:39am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

As a musician, you above all must suspect that every man has a soul, however corrupted and deeply buried.

I cannot begin to imagine the conditions under which a man like that would be moved or forced to become introspective about himself and what he has done.

A goddamn funeral is not going to do it.

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calochortus  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:48:50am

re: #15 dangerman

i said that last thread
he’ll probably put it in his will/instructions

I hope they demand payment up front.

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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:49:12am

re: #10 calochortus

He’ll have it set up so that the hired mourners don’t get paid. Stiffed by the stiff as it were. I’ll see myself out…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:51:19am
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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:51:27am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:53:13am

Even Richard Nixon’s got soul as Neil Young said but even Nixon was the shit Trump does on a daily basis.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:53:37am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:54:01am

I have never in my life felt the kind of contempt for an elected official that I feel for Trump. Even Dubya was just a bungler; a massively lethal one to be sure; but still a hapless bungler rather than an active sociopath.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:54:44am

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot begin to imagine the conditions under which a man like that would be moved or forced to become introspective about himself and what he has done.

A goddamn funeral is not going to do it.

A Dickensian visit from his dead brother Fred’s ghost. In fact, if SNL is going to continue to do Trump stuff, they might as well do Donald Trump’s Scrooge but the twist is he ends up making Tiny Tim pay for the Christmas turkey.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:55:26am

Snow coming down here. Yes!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:56:22am

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I have never in my life felt the kind of contempt for an elected official that I feel for Trump. Even Dubya was just a bungler; a massively lethal one to be sure; but still a hapless bungler rather than an active sociopath.

His supporters voted for a person with no record of public service and no accessible record of his service to himself.

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:58:16am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His supporters voted for a person with no record of public service and no accessible record of his service to himself.

Trump’s backers actively supported a know nothing whose positions were empty platitudes and made that a badge of honor. The GOP went all in on the know-nothing to reflect their base.

They attacked Hillary because she knew what she was talking about and could speak in more than a few words.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 11:58:23am
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:00:15pm

re: #12 dangerman

“moved trump” requires introspection

so…no.

plus, it assumes he was even listening to any of it

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:02:38pm

re: #27 lawhawk

Trump’s backers actively supported a know nothing whose positions were empty platitudes and made that a badge of honor. The GOP went all in on the know-nothing to reflect their base.

They attacked Hillary because she knew what she was talking about and could speak in more than a few words.

I recall that I was travelling in the summer of 2016 and had a layover in Atlanta, spent hours as the news stations showed an empty podium waiting for Donald Trump to appear. In the meantime, Hillary was giving a speech about better job opportunities for the handicapped.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:02:50pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

SpaceX pulled it off!

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Heh, if it had hit a hard surface it probably would have stuck that landing.

Just that > < close!

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:04:34pm

Anyone have a suggestion for an electric keyboard that I could get for my girls? I had to get rid of the piano when we moved over a year ago. They are both expressing interest in learning.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:04:36pm

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall that I was travelling in the summer of 2016 and had a layover in Atlanta, spent hours as the news stations showed an empty podium waiting for Donald Trump to appear. In the meantime, Hillary was giving a speech about better job opportunities for the handicapped.

Both Trump and Bernie promised the same empty rhetoric. HRC actually promised something real and tangible and she got shat on.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:07:08pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:07:09pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Both Trump and Bernie promised the same empty rhetoric. HRC actually promised something real and tangible and she got shat on.

Bernie had his share of supporters who believed in his ideals, but a lot of his “support” was in the form of bots and ratfuckers out to weaken Hillary.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:08:03pm

I just watched the clip of the end of W’s eulogy. Yep, I cried.

He was a bad president, but I could definitely feel for him at that moment.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:11:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:12:01pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:12:04pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Both Trump and Bernie promised the same empty rhetoric. HRC actually promised something real and tangible and she got shat on.

Trump called her a “Nasty Woman” at exactly the moment she was describing her plan to keep Social Security intact and solvent for decades to come.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:14:16pm

re: #39 The Vicious Babushka

Trump called her a “Nasty Woman” at exactly the moment she was describing her plan to keep Social Security intact and solvent for decades to come.

he knew that nobody wanted ho hear that but they wanted to hear him say mean things to HRC

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:15:22pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

A Dickensian visit from his dead brother Fred’s ghost. In fact, if SNL is going to continue to do Trump stuff, they might as well do Donald Trump’s Scrooge but the twist is he ends up making Tiny Tim pay for the Christmas turkey.

Or better yet, Trump brings a Trump Turkey. And it’s dry and tasteless.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:16:17pm

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

Or better yet, Trump brings a Trump Turkey. And it’s dry and tasteless.

and pre-dismembered with a bone saw

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:20:27pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

For several reasons, I won’t click the link. But I do want to know whether he planned to address a conclave of robot schlampes or men who fuck slut machinery. I need that much basic info and not a fact more.

my exact thought before i even read it

except for ‘schlampes’
ok and conclave

the rest i had

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:21:12pm

Patterns…. the same people do the same thing over and over until they get caught. In this case, it appears the guy behind the election fraud in NC was busy making sure other elections had similar outcomes.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:22:55pm

re: #36 makeitstop

I just watched the clip of the end of W’s eulogy. Yep, I cried.

He was a bad president, but I could definitely feel for him at that moment.

I can’t feel anything but contempt for the liar who started a war that killed my son.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:24:13pm

re: #45 Joe Bacon 🌹

I can’t feel anything but contempt for the liar who started a war that killed my son.

I understand, Joe.

But I delivered the eulogy at my father’s funeral, and I know how difficult that is.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:25:45pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:27:48pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

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No wonder he’s into AR-15’s

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:30:26pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

A Dickensian visit from his dead brother Fred’s ghost. In fact, if SNL is going to continue to do Trump stuff, they might as well do Donald Trump’s Scrooge but the twist is he ends up making Tiny Tim pay for the Christmas turkey.

Oh it would be delicious if Trump was trapped in a real life Ruddigore with former Presidents crawling out of their pictures and torturing him every night!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:31:45pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

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Excuses, excuses…..

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:32:01pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

So, is Cernovich an official penis certifier or something?

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:37:11pm
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:41:10pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

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how many data points ya got there, mike?

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:43:43pm

oh dear

Democratic Popular Vote Lead Keeps Growing

The Cook Political Report shows that the Democratic lead in the U.S. House popular vote for the 2018 midterms is now up to 8.5%.

Steve Benen: “For comparison purposes, note that in 2010 - which was widely seen as a GOP ‘wave’ cycle - Republicans won the U.S. House popular vote by 6.6%. In 1994, which was seen as a Republican ‘revolution,’ the GOP won the U.S. House popular vote by 7.1%.”

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Jay C  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:44:45pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

A Dickensian visit from his dead brother Fred’s ghost. In fact, if SNL is going to continue to do Trump stuff, they might as well do Donald Trump’s Scrooge but the twist is he ends up making Tiny Tim pay for the Christmas turkey.

Yeah: Christmas Past can be a coked-up orgy at Studio 54 (guided by the sulphur-reeking ghost of Roy Cohn); Christmas Present a tour of an immigrant asylum-seekers’ encampment: showing how REAL families stick together; and Christmas Future summed up in the simple phrase “Good Riddance”…
But maybe the ending might be different: He’ll offer to settle with the Cratchitbergs* for 15 10 cents on the dollar for the turkey….

* “Short guys in yarmulkes”, remember?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:46:58pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

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re: #51 Dr Lizardo

re: #53 dangerman

The obvious solution is to keep one’s dick out of frying pans.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:51:53pm

re: #54 dangerman

oh dear

Democratic Popular Vote Lead Keeps Growing

Think of what the results would have been if there were no gerrymandering and no voter suppression.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:52:14pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

The obvious solution is to keep one’s dick out of frying pans.

Poor Mikey.

Not only does he have a fried brain but he has a fried Cocktail wee wee too!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:52:46pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:52:53pm

Frying pans are bad, but a TFE-coated waffle iron will really mess you up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:54:49pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:55:09pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

Frying pans are bad, but a TFE-coated waffle iron will really mess you up.

waffles are just pancakes that have been ribbed for your pleasure

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:55:13pm

here’s a winner comment from disqus:

A treasonous, mobbed-up old thug and a porn model sit down on a pew beside: a man one or both of them have accused of being a citizen of another country with a forged birth certificate, a woman they have mocked, snubbed, and yet—-ironically—-plagiarized relentlessly, a man whose sex life they have used as a smoke-screen to obscure key details in the life of the mobbed-up old thug himself, and a woman they’ve repeatedly declared should be arrested and locked up.

And they got a cool reception.

Go figure.

i also read that in addition to the clinton’s, trump didnt greet the carters
class act he is

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:56:25pm

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

Think of what the results would have been if there were no gerrymandering and no voter suppression.

and/or the dems werent in disarray //

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:56:36pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

Frying pans are bad, but a TFE-coated waffle iron will really mess you up.

Textured for extra pleasure.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:56:54pm

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Loud cackle disturbs Wife. Unwilling to explain—she thinks this is a class joint.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:59:48pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

25 seconds. GMTA will not adequately explain that.

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 12:59:57pm

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

waffles are just pancakes that have been ribbed for your pleasure

Someone will definitely get a rise out of that one…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:00:37pm

There has been some discussion as to whether the House Democrats should try to work with the GOP to pass bipartisan bills. edited to remove dumb idea that wouldn’t work.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:00:39pm

re: #68 lawhawk

Someone will definitely get a rise out of that one…

Whole thread is a little crepey.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:04:54pm
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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:04:59pm

re: #63 dangerman

here’s a winner comment from disqus:

i also read that in addition to the clinton’s, trump didnt greet the carters
class act he is

He doesn’t know who Jimmy Carter is. Guaranteed.

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:05:47pm
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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:06:30pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Whole thread is a little crepey.

That’s thin…. real thin…

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lawhawk  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:07:10pm

re: #69 Big Beautiful Door

There has been some discussion as to whether the House Democrats should try to work with the GOP to pass bipartisan bills. I have an idea for bi-partisan legislation. How about the House take up and pass the Immigration Modernization Act of 2013, which passed the Senate with impressive bipartisan support, and could be passed and sent straight to the President?

Voting Rights Act.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:07:57pm

re: #69 Big Beautiful Door

There has been some discussion as to whether the House Democrats should try to work with the GOP to pass bipartisan bills. I have an idea for bi-partisan legislation. How about the House take up and pass the Immigration Modernization Act of 2013, which passed the Senate with impressive bipartisan support, and could be passed and sent straight to the President?

Will it pass the Senate next month? Because what passed in 2013 is merely a stack of paper sitting in some trashcan now

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:08:35pm

re: #73 MsJ

That would be good news. And hopefully there is a train of Trumps + Jared who can be similarly charged. (Maybe Kennedy’s son too?)

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:08:37pm

Son of a bitch. They actually managed to land the goddamn thing in the water.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:09:38pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Voting Rights Act.

Or a complete rebuild of electoral integrity protections. HB1 is a good start. The GOP has always been jonesing about fraud, so now would be a good time to hold them to a first-world system.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:10:07pm

re: #69 Big Beautiful Door

There has been some discussion as to whether the House Democrats should try to work with the GOP to pass bipartisan bills. I have an idea for bi-partisan legislation. How about the House take up and pass the Immigration Modernization Act of 2013, which passed the Senate with impressive bipartisan support, and could be passed and sent straight to the President?

Would McConnell even allow that to be considered? Reminder: McConnell is more of an obstacle to good legislation than Trump.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:11:36pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Will it pass the Senate next month? Because what passed in 2013 is merely a stack of paper sitting in some trashcan now

You are right; it wouldn’t work!

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:11:56pm

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

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That might be Randy’s best one yet.

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Jay C  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:12:43pm

re: #69 Big Beautiful Door

There has been some discussion as to whether the House Democrats should try to work with the GOP to pass bipartisan bills. I have an idea for bi-partisan legislation. How about the House take up and pass the Immigration Modernization Act of 2013, which passed the Senate with impressive bipartisan support, and could be passed and sent straight to the President?

You’re kidding, right?
Even if three out of the original “Gang of Eight” are no longer in the Senate, and another (Miss Lindsay) has gone full-metal Trump-toady, the odds of the Senate in the 116th Congress ever (re-)passing a bill of that sort are (IMO) near-zero at best. Not with King Orangeanus in the WH, and the GOP’s preferred “immigration policy” being solidified around Trail-Of-Tears-style expulsionism. I’m guessing that if the 2013 Act would be re-submitted to the House, it would pass: and then Mitch McConnell would move Heaven and Earth to kill it (and not even bother with a Trump veto).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:12:59pm

re: #80 Hecuba’s daughter

Would McConnell even allow that to be considered? Reminder: McConnell is more of an obstacle to good legislation than Trump.

You are right, and I was wrong. McConnell would kill it.

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freetoken  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:15:20pm

Salvation for the loquat trees at hand:

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:15:24pm

re: #81 Big Beautiful Door

It never got an up or down vote in the House. Since the Senate has already passed it, I believe the House can pass it and send it to the President. Trump would veto it, of course.

Here’s the thing; trump wants “wins”, he wants things he can brag about. He neither cares what IT is, nor does he have the capacity to understand what IT is… to him win=good is suffering. That’s all he knows and all that matters.

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Jay C  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:15:57pm

re: #84 Big Beautiful Door

McConnell can’t stop it; the Senate has already passed it.

Does that matter? I vaguely recall (and very well may be wrong, though) that un-passed legislation dies with each session of Congress, and would have to be re-introduced anew in the new one (hence my no. 83)…??

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:18:15pm

re: #87 Jay C

Does that matter? I vaguely recall (and very well may be wrong, though) that un-passed legislation dies with each session of Congress, and would have to be re-introduced anew in the new one (hence my no. 83)…??

Actually, you are right, and I was wrong. that’s what I get for spouting off without checking first. That bill died when that Congress adjourned. So Never mind!

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freetoken  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:19:20pm

Was going to run out to the grocery store, but it seems I finally will need to trust the NWS that it’s going to rain on me.

Finally.

Looks like a good solid hour of rain.

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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:24:15pm

re: #89 freetoken

Was going to run out to the grocery store, but it seems I finally will need to trust the NWS that it’s going to rain on me.

Finally.

Looks like a good solid hour of rain.

This is the only place I’ve lived where, when it starts raining, people run outside with their hands in the air, smiling, singing ‘at last’, and dancing around. If it’s daytime.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:25:56pm

re: #83 Jay C

You’re kidding, right?
Even if three out of the original “Gang of Eight” are no longer in the Senate, and another (Miss Lindsay) has gone full-metal Trump-toady, the odds of the Senate in the 116th Congress ever (re-)passing a bill of that sort are (IMO) near-zero at best. Not with King Orangeanus in the WH, and the GOP’s preferred “immigration policy” being solidified around Trail-Of-Tears-style expulsionism. I’m guessing that if the 2013 Act would be re-submitted to the House, it would pass: and then Mitch McConnell would move Heaven and Earth to kill it (and not even bother with a Trump veto).

Is that still true? After all Lindsey actually was highly critical of Saudi Arabia? Is it possible that he is reconsidering his positions, at least when it comes to FP?

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freetoken  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:26:27pm

Finally got a SSD for my old Mac… I hope I successfully move the system drive info correctly.

It bothers me for some reason that the industry pushed the acronym “SSD”. There is no “D”rive. It’s just flash memory mated to a data interface to plug into computers so to as allow backwards compatibility.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:26:35pm

re: #81 Big Beautiful Door

It never got an up or down vote in the House. Since the Senate has already passed it, I believe the House can pass it and send it to the President. Trump would veto it, of course.

Not how it works. Bills have to be passed, by both houses, within the congressional sessions they were proposed (one year Jan 3-Jan 2)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:27:43pm

re: #93 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Not how it works. Bills have to be passed, by both houses, within the congressional sessions they were proposed (one year Jan 3-Jan 2)

You are correct, and I have egg on my face because I didn’t check before spouting off!

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:29:04pm

re: #92 freetoken

Finally got a SSD for my old Mac… I hope I successfully move the system drive info correctly.

It bothers me for some reason that the industry pushed the acronym “SSD”. There is no “D”rive. It’s just flash memory mated to a data interface to plug into computers so to as allow backwards compatibility.

‘drive’ has become like so many other words that have lost the link to their original meaning

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:29:32pm

re: #89 freetoken

Was going to run out to the grocery store, but it seems I finally will need to trust the NWS that it’s going to rain on me.

Finally.

Looks like a good solid hour of rain.

I’m at 4.21” for the season on the Carquinez Strait. Of course California tends to dry up in January more often than not these years.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:30:06pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Or a complete rebuild of electoral integrity protections. HB1 is a good start. The GOP has always been jonesing about fraud, so now would be a good time to hold them to a first-world system.

The GOP does NOT care about voter fraud or electoral integrity; it only cares about denying minorities the right to vote.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:31:31pm

re: #97 Hecuba’s daughter

The GOP does NOT care about voter fraud or electoral integrity; it only cares about denying minorities the right to vote.

True; McConnell has already said that HB1 is DOA. No reason to think the GOP will work with the Democrats to pass any positive legislation.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:34:35pm

this is now news

“In contrast with leaders seated around them, President Trump and first lady Melania Trump did not recite the Apostles’ Creed — a common statement in Christianity — at the Washington, D.C. funeral for late President George H.W. Bush on Wednesday,” Newsweek reports.

Video of the funeral showed former President Barack Obama, former first lady Michelle Obama, former President Bill Clinton, 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, former President Jimmy Carter, former first lady Rosalynn Carter and Vice President Mike Pence, among others, reciting the Apostles’ Creed during the funeral. The Trumps, meanwhile, silently held their sheets as others recited the creed, which begins: ‘I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of Heaven and Earth.’”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:35:47pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:35:51pm

re: #15 dangerman

i said that last thread
he’ll probably put it in his will/instructions

And his family, lawyers and others mentioned in the will will ignore it and keep the money.

That’s how they became rich; by stealing.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:36:59pm

re: #77 Hecuba’s daughter

That would be good news. And hopefully there is a train of Trumps + Jared who can be similarly charged. (Maybe Kennedy’s son too?)

Let’s add McConnell + all those Republicans who went to Moscow in July + Rand Paul. Let Mueller ensnare them all in treason.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:38:07pm

re: #27 lawhawk

Trump didn’t make them feel like the hateful, ignorant assholes they actually are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:39:41pm

O_o

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:44:03pm

re: #99 dangerman

this is now news

John Ziegler

It’s SO weird that Barack Obama (the “Muslim”) knew all the words to the Apostles’ Creed, and Donald Trump (the Evangelical hero) didn’t know any of them, and didn’t even bother to read them. #GeorgeHWBushFuneral

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:44:05pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Loud cackle disturbs Wife. Unwilling to explain—she thinks this is a class joint.

My wife hangs here. She knows better.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:44:45pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Melania and Barack weren’t even born here and they know to put their hands over their hearts!
///

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:45:06pm

re: #99 dangerman

this is now news

What is the etiquette for those who are not Christians and follow a different faith? Would standing silently and respectfully be sufficient?

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:45:23pm

re: #99 dangerman

Well, it’s not like Trump is actually a Christian. Though, I was under the impression that Melania was a self-professed Catholic.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:46:16pm

imo the winner

Vera • an hour ago
Trump thinks Apostle Creed is the guy who beat Rocky.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:46:49pm

re: #109 KGxvi

Well, it’s not like Trump is actually a Christian. Though, I was under the impression that Melania was a self-professed Catholic.

Wasn’t Melania raised as a Communist, without a religion?

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:48:46pm

re: #111 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t Melania raised as a Communist, without a religion?

Might have been raised as such, but she’s publicly confirmed she’s Catholic.

That Trump even had rosary beads was news — practicing Catholics often use the beads for prayers, moving fingers along each bead to keep track of how many times each is said, and repeated. Although Trump was raised in Slovenia, a country whose religious population is predominantly Catholic, she married Donald Trump, a Presbyterian, in 2005 at Bethesda-by-the-Sea Episcopal church in Palm Beach, Florida, and has celebrated Easter services there as recently as this year. Her 11-year-old son, Barron, who was baptized at the same church, will attend St. Andrew’s Episcopal School in Potomac, Maryland, in the fall.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:49:34pm
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:52:23pm

intuit support sux

that is all

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TedStriker  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:56:18pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Loud cackle disturbs Wife. Unwilling to explain—she thinks this is a class joint.

Ain’t no class like low-class…

///

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 1:59:13pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:00:09pm

re: #95 dangerman

‘drive’ has become like so many other words that have lost the link to their original meaning

Seen any good films lately?

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:00:26pm
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Mattand  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:02:42pm

re: #92 freetoken

Finally got a SSD for my old Mac… I hope I successfully move the system drive info correctly.

It bothers me for some reason that the industry pushed the acronym “SSD”. There is no “D”rive. It’s just flash memory mated to a data interface to plug into computers so to as allow backwards compatibility.

You’re going to be pleased/shocked with the performance gain.

I had a 2010 iMac and still have a 2010 MacBook Pro where I swapped out their respective optical drives for SSDs. Massive speed gains. Don’t have the numbers handy, but boot times alone decreased significantly.

I’m currently using my dad’s 2013 iMac, where the boot drive is a SSD in a USB3 external case. Same deal: even with the overhead of being an external drive, it still boots faster than the internal mechanical one.

I haven’t dealt with the hybrid drives where Apple puts the OS on the SSD portion of the drive, but I’d imagine that’s a similar story.

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freetoken  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:03:56pm

re: #120 Mattand

I expect it to be faster. What I don’t know about is longevity. The online articles about this is rather contradictory.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:04:26pm
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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:04:50pm

re: #119 Single-handed sailor

Off the record, Mr Bolton said, “Look, the man is an idiot, but I’ve a war to start and he’s at least going to make a good patsy.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:07:36pm
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:07:45pm

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

What is the etiquette for those who are not Christians and follow a different faith? Would standing silently and respectfully be sufficient?

generally when you’re visiting a religion that’s not yours, taht’s what you do. be quite and respectful

he, though is supposed to be the biggest and bestest christian of all times

you know, corinthians and all

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:09:40pm
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:11:34pm

re: #118 Unshaken Defiance

Seen any good films lately?

‘zacto

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:12:24pm
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jeffreyw  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:12:37pm

Heh - the mail carrier for my rural route just brought me an Amazon order. She mentioned that there wasn’t any mail today. I had forgotten USPS had declared it a no mail day. Then I was all wait.. what? Seems the Amazon contract isn’t actually “mail”.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:13:23pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is the guy behind Pence?

I can’t tell if that look is “Pence just farted” or “Gawd, I could use a stiff drink right now.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:14:19pm

re: #130 KGxvi

Who is the guy behind Pence?

I can’t tell if that look is “Pence just farted” or “Gawd, I could use a stiff drink right now.”

I have no idea, but he looks familiar

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jeffreyw  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:14:37pm

re: #125 dangerman

generally when you’re visiting a religion that’s not yours, taht’s what you do. be quite and respectful

he, though is supposed to be the biggest and bestest christian of all times

you know, corinthians and all

Both of them.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:15:23pm

re: #120 Mattand

You’re going to be pleased/shocked with the performance gain.

I had a 2010 iMac and still have a 2010 MacBook Pro where I swapped out their respective optical drives for SSDs. Massive speed gains. Don’t have the numbers handy, but boot times alone decreased significantly.

I’m currently using my dad’s 2013 iMac, where the boot drive is a SSD in a USB3 external case. Same deal: even with the overhead of being an external drive, it still boots faster than the internal mechanical one.

I haven’t dealt with the hybrid drives where Apple puts the OS on the SSD portion of the drive, but I’d imagine that’s a similar story.

i installed an ssd in a new dell Win7 box in 2012. it boots in about 30 seconds
mrs dm’s equivalent 2017 dell with one spinning hard drive takes 3-4 minutes

(dont hate my win. it’s all about the tax s/w)

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:17:28pm

re: #129 jeffreyw

Heh - the mail carrier for my rural route just brought me an Amazon order. She mentioned that there wasn’t any mail today. I had forgotten USPS had declared it a no mail day. Then I was all wait.. what? Seems the Amazon contract isn’t actually “mail”.

sometimes we get usps amazon’s on sundays

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:18:15pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:18:45pm
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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:19:32pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

In the immortal words of Tonto, “What do you mean we, Kemosabe?”

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:20:04pm

This made me laugh. HARD.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:21:20pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

Patton Oswalt

@pattonoswalt
Who the fuck is “we,” Ross?

love ya patton
and beat ya by like 8 hours

though i think i left out the “fuck”

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garzooma  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:22:41pm

re: #138 KGxvi

In the immortal words of Tonto, “What do you mean we, Kemosabe?”

I think the line is “What do you mean we, Paleface?”

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:26:40pm

re: #95 dangerman

‘drive’ has become like so many other words that have lost the link to their original meaning

Drive has come to mean data location.

The save button is still a floppy on most software, and I think it will probably stay some variation of that.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:27:53pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

White, Anglo Saxon Protestants being the sole ruling class isn’t something that I miss at all. I do greatly miss the Obamas though.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:28:36pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chris really needs to shut the hell up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:30:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:31:53pm
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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:34:03pm

re: #141 garzooma

I think the line is “What do you mean we, Paleface?”

I think the punchline works either way.

But in all seriousness, I am just getting around to reading the column, and it’s actually dumber than the headline makes it. Every other paragraph points out how bad the old WASP establishment was, and then pines for more of it.

White supremacy is a helluva drug.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:35:24pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:37:42pm
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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:38:38pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s sort of amazing that we are seeing litigation over clauses of the constitution that likely have never been litigated before. Including both emoluments clauses. Hell, I basically took constitutional law three times (AP Government, PoliSci major in college, and then law school) and I don’t any class I had spent more than 3 minutes on either emoluments clause.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:40:00pm

Angry Black Lady stole my joke that I have been re-using for like 10 years.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:40:38pm
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Teukka  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:41:08pm

OT, but for the computer lizardim here, this one is an epic fail on the manufacturers part…

Samsung: Please Don’t Name Your Smart TV Localhost!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:47:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:48:40pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:49:31pm

re: #97 Hecuba’s daughter

The GOP does NOT care about voter fraud or electoral integrity; it only cares about denying minorities the right to vote.

winning by any means necessary.

They WILL disenfranchise anybody they think will vote against them. Nothing more, nothing less.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:49:34pm

re: #152 Patricia Kayden

the future fight with China and Russia, if it comes to pass, will be digital. We’ve seen Russia already interfere in the internal elections of the US and two of our closest long term allies (France and the UK). They didn’t do that by launching missiles, and sending soldiers are boats or planes… they did that by having people sit in front of computers and code.

We have to rethink how we approach defense spending and priorities. It does no good to plan for the last war, when the next war will look nothing like it.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:53:11pm

re: #150 KGxvi

It’s sort of amazing that we are seeing litigation over clauses of the constitution that likely have never been litigated before. Including both emoluments clauses. Hell, I basically took constitutional law three times (AP Government, PoliSci major in college, and then law school) and I don’t any class I had spent more than 3 minutes on either emoluments clause.

to overstate the obvious, we never had to because no one ever abused the privileges

or to put a positive spin on it, prior presidents respected the constitution. what it says and what everyone knows it means (except for the 2A)

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:53:20pm

disqus_pTeu5EQuzX • 4 years ago
“For some samples of Douthat columns that were buried once he became an NYT big-bug, see here, here, here, and plenty more where that came from.”

I would do anything for love, but I won’t Douthat.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:54:19pm

HAPPY HANUKKAH! 4th Light!

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:55:32pm

re: #157 KGxvi

the future fight with China and Russia, if it comes to pass, will be digital. We’ve seen Russia already interfere in the internal elections of the US and two of our closest long term allies (France and the UK). They didn’t do that by launching missiles, and sending soldiers are boats or planes… they did that by having people sit in front of computers and code.

We have to rethink how we approach defense spending and priorities. It does no good to plan for the last war, when the next war will look nothing like it.

that requires a creative sort of thinking that a lot of people in the right/correct positions arent willing or capable of doing

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:57:41pm

The correct answer is “That’s nobodies business but the Turks” Mr Turtledove

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:58:12pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 5, 2018 • 2:58:52pm

Booster is toast. Still, it did what it was designed to do. It just did it in an area that wasn’t conducive for such activity. I am impressed.

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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:02:47pm

re: #163 makeitstop

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Flake always seems a little better in an elevator. Maybe he should stay there.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:05:48pm

re: #164 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Booster is toast. Still, it did what it was designed to do. It just did it in an area that wasn’t conducive for such activity. I am impressed.

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Did they land it in water on purpose, or did something go wrong?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:06:27pm

Apropos of nothing:

“we got a thousand points of light
for the homeless man,
we got kinder, gentler
machine gun hand.”

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Jay C  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:06:29pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

WTF is ‘We”“??

My question, exactly, as I posted at the NYT. And in which (thanks, Patton) I see I was not at all alone….

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:06:34pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:07:47pm

re: #163 makeitstop

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This will delay these nominees at least a few weeks. Trump will have to renominate them if they don’t get confirmed during the lame duck session.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:07:57pm

re: #164 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Booster is toast. Still, it did what it was designed to do. It just did it in an area that wasn’t conducive for such activity. I am impressed.

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getting them back any more than ‘never’ is still a huge thing

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:08:52pm

re: #92 freetoken

Finally got a SSD for my old Mac… I hope I successfully move the system drive info correctly.

It bothers me for some reason that the industry pushed the acronym “SSD”. There is no “D”rive. It’s just flash memory mated to a data interface to plug into computers so to as allow backwards compatibility.

But it sounded so nice to the focus groups!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:12:09pm

re: #164 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Booster is toast. Still, it did what it was designed to do. It just did it in an area that wasn’t conducive for such activity. I am impressed.

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That’ll buff right out.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:12:56pm

re: #117 Patricia Kayden

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$750 a month?????????????

Who in their right mind would give Milo even 1¢ ???????

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:13:15pm

re: #174 Joe Bacon 🌹

$750 a month?????????????

Who in their right mind would give Milo even 1¢ ???????

Your mistake lies in assuming that said person was in their right mind.

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:17:22pm
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:18:51pm

this is gonna keep getting worse and worse

Saudi Lobbyist Paid for 500 Rooms at Trump Hotel goes to politicalwire

“Lobbyists representing the Saudi government reserved blocks of rooms at President Trump’s D.C. hotel within a month of Trump’s election in 2016 — paying for an estimated 500 nights at the luxury hotel in just three months,” the Washington Post reports.

“The visits were part of an unorthodox campaign that offered [US military] veterans a free trip to D.C.- then sent them to Capitol Hill to lobby against a law the Saudis opposed.”

Some of the veterans who stayed at Trump’s hotel say they were kept in the dark about the Saudi’s role in the trips. Now, they wonder if they were used twice over: not just to deliver someone else’s message to Congress, but also to deliver business to the Trump Organization.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:20:04pm

re: #166 Big Beautiful Door

Did they land it in water on purpose, or did something go wrong?

I think the report was that a hydraulic pump on one of the landing legs was failing, so the fldecided not to risk it. It looks like all the legs came out, though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:21:18pm
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steve_davis  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:21:56pm

re: #32 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Anyone have a suggestion for an electric keyboard that I could get for my girls? I had to get rid of the piano when we moved over a year ago. They are both expressing interest in learning.

if i had it to do now, I’d spend a couple of grand on a digital keyboard with 88 keys and pedals. they now are designed so that on better models, the keys have a grand piano feel to them, and notes mimic volume based on how hard the keys are pressed.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:22:29pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:22:46pm

I’ll put this out there again since more Lizards are off work and such.

I’m trying to find an electric keyboard for my kids for Christmas and don’t know anything about how to choose a decent one. I don’t have a pile of money, so I’m looking for something that plays the different sounds, has a full keyboard, and doesn’t need a speaker. I’m just lost when I look at Amazon. Can anyone help?

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:24:31pm

re: #180 steve_davis

if i had it to do now, I’d spend a couple of grand on a digital keyboard with 88 keys and pedals. they now are designed so that on better models, the keys have a grand piano feel to them, and notes mimic volume based on how hard the keys are pressed.

You posted this as I was posted my re-request! Thanks for answering! I would love to spend a couple of grand and get a really nice digital keyboard, but I probably have a couple of hundred instead. :-(

Stupid divorce.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:26:16pm

re: #181 Patricia Kayden

The silence on NC-09 from those who traditionally raise hell about voter fraud is deafening. This is an actual — and rare — case where evidence of illegality is credible and substantial.

just to be clear
- this is not voter fraud
- it’s election fraud

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:26:39pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

This was a sweet moment although Bush ‘43 is still one of the worst Presidents in my lifetime given what happened with Iraq, Katrina, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:26:46pm
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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:28:24pm

re: #185 Patricia Kayden

This was a sweet moment although Bush ‘43 is still one of the worst Presidents in my lifetime given what happened with Iraq, Katrina, etc.

as we’ve been seeing here all day
it can be difficult to separate a man’s presumably honest humanity from his poor job performance

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:28:38pm

Does anyone else think that it’s killing Trump to not be able to tweet today? I’m sure someone took away his phone so he didn’t look worse than he already did today. Maybe they gave him a sleeping pill because he looked like he had pulled an all-nighter last night.

Tomorrow should have some bad craziness coming from him.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:29:55pm

re: #188 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Does anyone else think that it’s killing Trump to not be able to tweet today? I’m sure someone took away his phone so he didn’t look worse than he already did today. Maybe they gave him a sleeping pill because he looked like he had pulled an all-nighter last night.

Tomorrow should have some bad craziness coming from him.

If Mueller was as diabolical as the Trumpists think he is, he’d have unsealed a few more indictments today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:30:03pm

heh

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:30:12pm

re: #188 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Does anyone else think that it’s killing Trump to not be able to tweet today? I’m sure someone took away his phone so he didn’t look worse than he already did today. Maybe they gave him a sleeping pill because he looked like he had pulled an all-nighter last night.

Tomorrow should have some bad craziness coming from him.

you t hink someone told him you cant tweet on a weekday if the market is closed?

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:31:50pm

re: #161 dangerman

that requires a creative sort of thinking that a lot of people in the right/correct positions arent willing or capable of doing

Even Yoda missed that.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:32:17pm

Very odd.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:34:49pm

seating arrangement at the funeral

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:35:51pm

re: #32 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Anyone have a suggestion for an electric keyboard that I could get for my girls? I had to get rid of the piano when we moved over a year ago. They are both expressing interest in learning.

I got a good electric piano with 88 keys for my son at Guitar Center for $300; it only has the sustain pedal, but for him, that’s ok. Go to a music store like that. They have all different levels, some with all three pedals, and you can decide based on your budget. They also vary from a synthesizer feel all the way up too full weighted keys.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:36:12pm

re: #182 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I’ll put this out there again since more Lizards are off work and such.

I’m trying to find an electric keyboard for my kids for Christmas and don’t know anything about how to choose a decent one. I don’t have a pile of money, so I’m looking for something that plays the different sounds, has a full keyboard, and doesn’t need a speaker. I’m just lost when I look at Amazon. Can anyone help?

How much are you looking to spend? This one is low-priced and looks like it ticks off all the boxes.

And if they lose interest you’re not out a pile of dough.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:37:00pm

re: #191 dangerman

you t hink someone told him you cant tweet on a weekday if the market is closed?

The more I think about it, I think they sedated him and took away his phone.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:37:30pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

#BREAKING: Together with AG @BrianFrosh we are in the process of serving subpoenas to federal agencies, Trump organizations, and 18 other entities to prove that President Trump is profiting from the presidency:

i thought i read there were like 30 subpoenas

no

it was 30-37 entities that were targeted

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:39:14pm

re: #178 Belafon

I think the report was that a hydraulic pump on one of the landing legs was failing, so the fldecided not to risk it. It looks like all the legs came out, though.

The legs came out at the right time, but the hydraulic pump “locked-up” (Musk’s own words) earlier when needed for the grid fins to control its direction and movements. So it started to spin and wobble and that probably put it out of it’s landing spot coordinates. It then must have gotten it’s hydraulics working again right before it slowed and the legs came into position.

In the video Musk posted you can see it is still spinning as it is coming down…watch the black and white colorings on the booster body.

We didn’t get to see the landing at first because when it started to spin and wobble they cut the video feed. It was pretty evident things were not going well when they cut the video.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:41:28pm

re: #168 Jay C

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:43:33pm

re: #198 dangerman

i thought i read there were like 30 subpoenas

no

it was 30-37 entities that were targeted

It’s probably the same, either way. Each entity will probably receive one subpoena with various categories of documents requested.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:44:56pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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De-platforming works!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:46:41pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Waiting for Milo to try GoFundMe after getting booted from Patreon!

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:48:05pm

re: #196 makeitstop

How much are you looking to spend? This one is low-priced and looks like it ticks off all the boxes.

And if they lose interest you’re not out a pile of dough.

Heh, for $140 that looks like a great way for a youngster to learn a keyboard.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:48:12pm

re: #203 Joe Bacon 🌹

Waiting for Milo to try GoFundMe after getting booted from Patreon!

He’ll probably wind up on goyfundme.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:49:09pm

re: #204 ObserverArt

Heh, for $140 that looks like a great way for a youngster to learn a keyboard.

I know that one of my daughters will play the heck out of it, learning how to play, since she has done the same thing with the ukulele!

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:51:58pm

re: #206 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I know that one of my daughters will play the heck out of it, learning how to play, since she has done the same thing with the ukulele!

It’s great you are encouraging them. Learning to play music is a reward as no matter how good you get there is always something more to learn and you have your own form of entertainment.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:55:11pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

Ross Douthat

@DouthatNYT
My Wednesday column: Why We Miss the Wasps:nytimes.com

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8:59 AM - Dec 5, 2018

No — what we miss is having a president who is not Trump; that is all. Maybe the NYTimes should consider new blood for this column.

But the ratio was glorious.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:57:49pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:58:23pm

re: #207 ObserverArt

It’s great you are encouraging them. Learning to play music is a reward as no matter how good you get there is always something more to learn and you have your own form of entertainment.

I grew up playing alto and baritone saxophone (sat right next to Cleto Escobedo in band for junior high and high school!). He couldn’t sightread for shit so I was first chair in concert band, but I wasn’t going to play alto next to him in jazz band…I’m no dummy! I absolutely loved playing music.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 3:59:18pm

Heck, I want to learn to play piano, too! That’s why I’m hoping to find something that’s got full keys. I’m looking at Amazon right now at that.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:00:32pm

re: #183 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

You posted this as I was posted my re-request! Thanks for answering! I would love to spend a couple of grand and get a really nice digital keyboard, but I probably have a couple of hundred instead. :-(

Stupid divorce.

Can’t get the Amazon link to work but check out the Yamaha P71 88 key keyboard at $399. Based on my limited experience in keyboards, I think it would be a great compromise for your budget.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:03:54pm

re: #212 William Lewis

Can’t get the Amazon link to work but check out the Yamaha P71 88 key keyboard at $399. Based on my limited experience in keyboards, I think it would be a great compromise for your budget.

That looks pretty good! I’m sure the youngest would gripe that it only has “ten voices.” LOL.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:04:10pm

One vote could decide control of the Alaska House. Remember that when someone says your vote doesn’t matter. In the apparently-tied Alaska House race that may determine which party controls the apparently-tied Alaska House, Democrat Kathryn Dodge announces she will appeal the recount:

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:05:06pm

re: #206 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I know that one of my daughters will play the heck out of it, learning how to play, since she has done the same thing with the ukulele!

Later on, you might try to get her a mandolin.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:05:45pm

Guitar center also sells used instruments.

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freetoken  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:06:45pm

re: #209 Patricia Kayden

I’m doubting Trump’s place on the ticket in 2020.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:06:53pm

re: #209 Patricia Kayden

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Someone should explain to Trump that the VP only hurts, he doesn’t help.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:06:54pm

The cultishness that has overtaken the GOP and right-wing politics in general is one of the most underreported stories of the last nine years.

Started when Obama won. Dimwit white people freaked, thought it was the End Of The World.

Hilarity has not ensued.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:07:59pm

re: #209 Patricia Kayden

Picking a new VP is probably an incredibly dangerous political move. There are uncomfortable questions you have to answer like, “do you not believe he is the most qualified person to be vice president? did you believe he was in 2016? so what changed between then and now?” Then there’s the issue of timing, if you announce before the primaries, what are the odds that the Vice President doesn’t just challenge you in the primaries? If you wait until the convention, what happens if there’s a floor fight for VP?

The only way it works is if the VP decides they don’t want to run a second time. And no VP in their right mind will do that, barring a major medical issue. Because win or lose, you automatically become the front runner for the next election cycle, assuming you want the big desk (unless you’re Dan Quayle).

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:10:15pm

re: #213 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

This is a used version of what I am getting my kid: guitarcenter.com. you have to buy a separate stand and stool.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:10:30pm

re: #218 Belafon

Someone should explain to Trump that the VP only hurts, he doesn’t help.

There’s basically two questions for picking a VP that make any sort of sense:

1. If something happens to me, who do I think is the next best person for the job?
2. If I win, who can I trust on policy matters that I’m not particularly well versed on?

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:10:44pm

re: #215 Belafon

Later on, you might try to get her a mandolin.

That would be wonderful! My dad had taught himself to play mandolin and banjo. I tried to get her to try the guitar, but she said that the strings hurt her fingers and she won’t pursue that. But then, she’s only 11 and the fact that she has the wherewithal to practice an instrument without any help from us and have a blast doing it means she might change her mind at some point.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:11:33pm

re: #216 Belafon

Guitar center also sells used instruments.

I think Guitar Center is clear across town from me…and I’m a hermit and like things delivered to my front door.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:12:18pm

re: #222 KGxvi

There’s basically two questions for picking a VP that make any sort of sense:

1. If something happens to me, who do I think is the next best person for the job?
2. If I win, who can I trust on policy matters that I’m not particularly well versed on?

Trump isn’t well versed on any issue.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:12:44pm

re: #223 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

That’s cool. You might try to find a smaller guitar with nylon strings to start her on.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:13:38pm

Can the new Governor dismiss those appointees? This is so outrageous.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:13:50pm

re: #222 KGxvi

There’s basically two questions for picking a VP that make any sort of sense:

1. If something happens to me, who do I think is the next best person for the job?
2. If I win, who can I trust on policy matters that I’m not particularly well versed on?

Trump’s looking for someone to be a distraction and possibly take some bullets.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:14:33pm

re: #227 Patricia Kayden

Can the new Governor dismiss those appointees? This is so outrageous.

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They probably put some loophole in there to make them ironclad.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:14:50pm

re: #228 Belafon

Trump’s looking for someone to be a distraction and possibly take some bullets.

THIS.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:14:56pm

re: #227 Patricia Kayden

Can the new Governor dismiss those appointees? This is so outrageous.

Apparently, the only reason to Merrick Garland someone is if they’re a Democrat.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:16:20pm

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

Trump isn’t well versed on any issue.

I think Trump picked Pence in sort of an old school “who helps me convince the evangelicals that I’m not actually the anti-christ” move. There was a time when picking someone from a different region, or different wing of the party made sense. But the GOP has gotten much more monolithic in the last 30 years.

On the Democratic side, it still makes some sense. I suspect if the 2020 Democratic nominee is a blue state progressive type, you’ll probably see a red state moderate type as the VP nominee (not quite Gore-Lieberman, but be prepared). Or if it’s someone from the Senate, I could see a governor getting the VP nod; or vice versa.

Then again, it also depends on what you expect your VP to do besides wake up each morning and check on your health.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:16:32pm

re: #226 Belafon

That’s cool. You might try to find a smaller guitar with nylon strings to start her on.

Or, see if the guitar can be set up to play easier with lighter gauge strings too. Sometimes a few dollars at a good guitar tech bench can make all the difference in an instrument.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:21:12pm

re: #213 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

That looks pretty good! I’m sure the youngest would gripe that it only has “ten voices.” LOL.

The 88 weighted keys will make it much easier to play a real piano later because they’ll be used to the amount of pressure needed.

Mandolins can be found fairly inexpensive too. Might be fun when you are slightly ahead to buy one and just leave it laying around and then start listening to some good bluegrass music … ;)

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:21:22pm
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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:22:33pm

Stealing from Balloon Juice.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:25:45pm

re: #234 William Lewis

The 88 weighted keys will make it much easier to play a real piano later because they’ll be used to the amount of pressure needed.

Mandolins can be found fairly inexpensive too. Might be fun when you are slightly ahead to buy one and just leave it laying around and then start listening to some good bluegrass music … ;)

The Punch Brothers. Chris Thile takes the mandolin to some nice places.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:26:55pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:27:13pm

re: #221 Belafon

This is a used version of what I am getting my kid: guitarcenter.com. you have to buy a separate stand and stool.

Sweet!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:27:22pm

re: #235 Belafon

Zeddy
@Zeddary
the unspoken thing in the Flynn memo recommending no prison time is to tell Manafort and tons of others ‘this coulda been you brah’

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8:31 PM - Dec 4, 2018
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Not Manafort. He committed serious financial crimes. He was never going to escape without serious punishment.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:30:57pm

re: #233 ObserverArt

Or, see if the guitar can be set up to play easier with lighter gauge strings too. Sometimes a few dollars at a good guitar tech bench can make all the difference in an instrument.

I was leaving that to her dad since he has the guitars at his place and supposedly knows something about strings, etc. Apparently, he either knows bupkis or he’s inept. I’m voting for both.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:32:44pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:33:57pm
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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:34:30pm

I see New Hampshire Democrats are acting like New York ones: even though Democrats conctoll the legislature, a few Democrats voted with Republicans to keep Bill Gradner on as Secretary of State. He keeps supporting GOP voter suppression efforts in the state. m.dailykos.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:34:48pm

re: #240 Hecuba’s daughter

Not Manafort. He committed serious financial crimes. He was never going to escape without serious punishment.

Then he added perjury and obstruction charges after that.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:36:22pm

re: #244 Belafon

So Democrats are acting like Republicans in New Hampshire while Republicans are destroying Democrats in MI, WI and OH. Nice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:43:43pm

re: #246 Patricia Kayden

So Democrats are acting like Republicans in New Hampshire while Republicans are destroying Democrats in MI, WI and OH. Nice.

Mortal Kombat Theme Song Original

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:43:51pm

Of course we miss the WASPs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:44:11pm

LOLWUT

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:44:59pm

Why is he rocking back and forth? Does he have to pee so bad?

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:46:38pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

That was actually my thought when I saw an earlier photo when I saw Cheney staring at Trump. I came to the conclusion that he he was probably wondering if Trump would make an ass of himself.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:48:27pm
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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:52:04pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

See, we can all find some common ground!

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

I love that Michelle just turned around like, “I want nothing to do with you crackers” and Barrack just folded his arms as if to say, “keep walking, honky.”

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:53:45pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:54:33pm

Conservatives busy trying to roll back the clock up north too…

“TORONTO — The Ontario government is discriminating against LGBTQ students by repealing a modernized sex-education curriculum that gave teachers and children the tools needed for an inclusive classroom experience, parents and lawyers said Thursday as they announced plans to launch a human rights case over the issue.

The Progressive Conservatives are replacing the curriculum with a version developed in 1998 while they carry out consultations for a new lesson plan. The move, announced soon after Premier Doug Ford took power in June, was the fulfillment of a hot-button election campaign promise.“

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:54:41pm

re: #244 Belafon

I see New Hampshire Democrats are acting like New York ones: even though Democrats conctoll the legislature, a few Democrats voted with Republicans to keep Bill Gradner on as Secretary of State. He keeps supporting GOP voter suppression efforts in the state. m.dailykos.com

How has someone been a Secretary of State for longer than I’ve been alive?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 5, 2018 • 4:55:37pm

Not all WASPs were WASPs.

Over 25,000 women made application to join the WASP; 1,830 were accepted but only 1,074 completed the training.[3] The applicants all had prior experience and airman certificates. While the majority of those accepted into the WASP were Caucasian women, its members also included Hazel Ying Lee and Maggie Gee both Chinese Americans, Ola Mildred Rexroat a Native American, and two Mexican Americans.[4] Mildred Hemmans Carter, the only African American applicant, was asked to withdraw her application because of her race. In 1940, at age 19, she had earned a Bachelor of Arts Degree from the Tuskegee Institute. The following year, she received her aviation certification. Because of her gender, Carter was also rejected from flying with the Tuskegee Airmen. Seventy years later, she was recognized retroactively as a WASP, and she took her final flight at age 90.[5]

—wiki

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:03:28pm

re: #220 KGxvi

Picking a new VP is probably an incredibly dangerous political move. There are uncomfortable questions you have to answer like, “do you not believe he is the most qualified person to be vice president? did you believe he was in 2016? so what changed between then and now?” Then there’s the issue of timing, if you announce before the primaries, what are the odds that the Vice President doesn’t just challenge you in the primaries? If you wait until the convention, what happens if there’s a floor fight for VP?

The only way it works is if the VP decides they don’t want to run a second time. And no VP in their right mind will do that, barring a major medical issue. Because win or lose, you automatically become the front runner for the next election cycle, assuming you want the big desk (unless you’re Dan Quayle).

Quayle actually made one of the most telling comments of the 2000 presidential campaign. Appearing on The Tonight Show shortly after he ended his quixotic presidential campaign, Quayle was asked why he shut it down. Instead of stating the obvious like “people think I’m an idiot” or the GOP approved “the media hate me,” Quayle said, “We just could not stay with the Bush money machine.” He went on to explain that he had not expected to match Bush dollar for dollar, but he had also not expected the ease with which Bush overwhelmed all the other candidates combined.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:09:19pm

re: #220 KGxvi

Picking a new VP is probably an incredibly dangerous political move. There are uncomfortable questions you have to answer like, “do you not believe he is the most qualified person to be vice president? did you believe he was in 2016? so what changed between then and now?” Then there’s the issue of timing, if you announce before the primaries, what are the odds that the Vice President doesn’t just challenge you in the primaries? If you wait until the convention, what happens if there’s a floor fight for VP?

The only way it works is if the VP decides they don’t want to run a second time. And no VP in their right mind will do that, barring a major medical issue. Because win or lose, you automatically become the front runner for the next election cycle, assuming you want the big desk (unless you’re Dan Quayle).

What you would do is convince Pence to announce some plausible reason to announce he is choosing not to run for a second term as VP. That lets Trump pick Haley or whoever and lets Pence maintain his viability for 2024. Pence won’t primary Trump because the GOP base loves Trump and he’ll crush anyone who tries to primary him.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:10:17pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:11:18pm

re: #258 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Quayle actually made one of the most telling comments of the 2000 presidential campaign. Appearing on The Tonight Show shortly after he ended his quixotic presidential campaign, Quayle was asked why he shut it down. Instead of stating the obvious like “people think I’m an idiot” or the GOP approved “the media hate me,” Quayle said, “We just could not stay with the Bush money machine.” He went on to explain that he had not expected to match Bush dollar for dollar, but he had also not expected the ease with which Bush overwhelmed all the other candidates combined.

The O’Jays - For The Love of Money (Audio)

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:18:11pm
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Mattand  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:23:05pm

re: #121 freetoken

I expect it to be faster. What I don’t know about is longevity. The online articles about this is rather contradictory.

FWIW, the one that was in the iMac is just over 4 years old and still active. When I sold the iMac, it got moved to an external drive and ran the newer iMac until about two weeks ago. It’s now doing duty as extra storage for the PS4.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:23:17pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

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What did I miss? Been offline since about 4 est.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:25:30pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

What did I miss? Been offline since about 4 est.

So you didn’t hear about IT?

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:26:32pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

re: #265 William Lewis

Cut to the chase. What the heck happened?

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KingKenrod  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:26:37pm

re: #182 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Casio and Yamaha both make a wide range of “all in one” keyboards (with built in speakers), anything by them that fits your budget would probably be great. I’ve owned both brands in the past and have no complaints.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:27:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:29:30pm

re: #265 William Lewis

So you didn’t hear about IT?

No…

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:30:47pm

That’s good, I didn’t either …. ;)

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:31:40pm

Trump was the kid who didn’t want to be at the funeral.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:31:51pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:32:27pm

re: #270 William Lewis

[I think I played this about 45 years ago.]

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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:33:08pm

re: #271 Belafon

Trump was the kid who didn’t want to be pee at the funeral.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:36:07pm

re: #273 wrenchwench

[I think I played this about 45 years ago.]

Sorry but when he asked, I just couldn’t resist. Been a while since I was that silly.

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wrenchwench  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:38:47pm

re: #275 William Lewis

Sorry but when he asked, I just couldn’t resist. Been a while since I was that silly.

Silly is called for. That’s the message I got out of the funeral.

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nines09  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:42:34pm

Observation.
Donald Trump couldn’t figure out why a dead guy was getting more attention than him.
And if a shred of human compassion or dignity was hidden in that slab of rotting offal he shrouds a cold dead heart in, it did not show.
Not only that, he was supposed to care??!!?
Say things?
Act as if he were…
He hears footsteps like I hear tinnitus.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:43:34pm

So he did have a tantrum about the praise Bush got?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:44:32pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:46:51pm

re: #182 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I’ll put this out there again since more Lizards are off work and such.

I’m trying to find an electric keyboard for my kids for Christmas and don’t know anything about how to choose a decent one. I don’t have a pile of money, so I’m looking for something that plays the different sounds, has a full keyboard, and doesn’t need a speaker. I’m just lost when I look at Amazon. Can anyone help?

I’ve been looking into one for myself, and went to a couple of websites where they have reviews. 88-key models are way too costly for me, but the smaller models are acceptable in price. Anyway, check out these:
61-keys — Yamaha PSR-e353, Yamaha YPT-255 (not sure if touch sensitive), Yamaha EZ220 (lighted keys)
76-keys — Yamaha YPG-235, Casio WK-245 (touch sensitive)
44-keys - Casio SA-76

My notes are from last year, so some models may no longer be sold new.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:47:38pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:49:36pm

re: #267 KingKenrod

Casio and Yamaha both make a wide range of “all in one” keyboards (with built in speakers), anything by them that fits your budget would probably be great. I’ve owned both brands in the past and have no complaints.

Thanks! That’s good information to know. I really appreciate everyone’s help in this!

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:50:24pm

re: #270 William Lewis

That’s good, I didn’t either …. ;)

I was laughing as they were asking what happened. I’m so sorry. That’s terrible, I know, but it was funny.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:51:39pm

re: #277 nines09

Observation.
Donald Trump couldn’t figure out why a dead guy was getting more attention than him.
And if a shred of human compassion or dignity was hidden in that slab of rotting offal he shrouds a cold dead heart in, it did not show.
Not only that, he was supposed to care??!!?
Say things?
Act as if he were…
He hears footsteps like I hear tinnitus.

I thought Cheney had a cold dark heart, but who knew that it was actually Trump?

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:52:17pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

So he did have a tantrum about the praise Bush got?

Not yet. My supposition is that he has been sedated and put to bed without his phone. Tomorrow should be…um…interesting.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:52:44pm

re: #223 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

That would be wonderful! My dad had taught himself to play mandolin and banjo. I tried to get her to try the guitar, but she said that the strings hurt her fingers and she won’t pursue that. But then, she’s only 11 and the fact that she has the wherewithal to practice an instrument without any help from us and have a blast doing it means she might change her mind at some point.

Ukulele. You can show her videos of Honoka and Azita to pique her interest.

Hawaii Five-0 - Live from 2015 Japan Tour

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:53:46pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

Charles I’m in the same situation. When I got the Mojave installation prompt, I got a flag that it couldn’t upgrade my old i7 4 core MacMini. So that is now hooked up to my TV and it’s now just a media streamer and DVD player.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:53:48pm

re: #280 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ve been looking into one for myself, and went to a couple of websites where they have reviews. 88-key models are way too costly for me, but the smaller models are acceptable in price. Anyway, check out these:
61-keys — Yamaha PSR-e353, Yamaha YPT-255 (not sure if touch sensitive), Yamaha EZ220 (lighted keys)
76-keys — Yamaha YPG-235, Casio WK-245 (touch sensitive)
44-keys - Casio SA-76

My notes are from last year, so some models may no longer be sold new.

Okay, I’ll ask…for my purposes, besides just personally thinking that 88 keys are better than 61, what is the difference for me and my girls?

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Mattand  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:54:28pm

Hey, since we’re talking about instruments as Xmas gifts: any opinions on standard vs electronic drums for a beginner? In this case, the beginner is an adult.

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nines09  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:54:44pm

re: #284 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Cheney was a professional motherfvcker. Trump is an owned motherfvcker.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:55:59pm

re: #286 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Ukulele. You can show her videos of Honoka and Azita to pique her interest.

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Video

Oh, yeah! She’ll love that! And if they have something she can sing along with at the top of her lungs, it will be even better.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:56:35pm

re: #286 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Ukulele. You can show her videos of Honoka and Azita to pique her interest.

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Video

Is she using a pick? My girl does the strumming.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:57:56pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:58:03pm

re: #289 Mattand

Hey, since we’re talking about instruments as Xmas gifts: any opinions on standard vs electronic drums for a beginner? In this case, the beginner is an adult.

Honestly, I never got the same feel from electronic drums. I would favor standard drums just because I feel like it’d be easier to learn the mechanics and the feel and the way different strokes play on a standard drum head. But that’s me.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:58:05pm

re: #289 Mattand

Hey, since we’re talking about instruments as Xmas gifts: any opinions on standard vs electronic drums for a beginner? In this case, the beginner is an adult.

Hoo boy, I’ve avoided this conversation because I know for a fact that my kids want drums, too. LOL.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:58:09pm

re: #244 Belafon

I see New Hampshire Democrats are acting like New York ones: even though Democrats conctoll the legislature, a few Democrats voted with Republicans to keep Bill Gradner on as Secretary of State. He keeps supporting GOP voter suppression efforts in the state. m.dailykos.com

The big Democrat guns came out in support, including four-term Governor Bill Lynch. TBH, I think it’s about protecting New Hampshire’s ridiculous status as first primary state. So dumb.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 5:59:15pm

re: #288 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Okay, I’ll ask…for my purposes, besides just personally thinking that 88 keys are better than 61, what is the difference for me and my girls?

88 is the same as a piano. Anything written for piano can be played on it. It is bigger but with weighted keys responds to the hand like an acoustic instrument.

Smaller keyboards are good for traveling or playing in a band. Or if space is limited.

For someone just starting, id want a full size keyboard to avoid any bad habits a smaller one might cause.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:00:36pm

re: #119 Single-handed sailor

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Probably just expecting kids and had to expand. Pro-life!

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EPR-radar  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:00:53pm

re: #296 Barefoot Grin

The big Democrat guns came out in support, including four-term Governor Bill Lynch.

It is disappointing to see too many Democrats not yet understanding the basic political reality of the 21st century — the only Republicans who aren’t a clear and present danger to the US are Republicans who are out of office.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:00:57pm

I’d like to find a nice but cheap drum machine I can play on, record and then play along with on my guitar.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:02:19pm

re: #288 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Okay, I’ll ask…for my purposes, besides just personally thinking that 88 keys are better than 61, what is the difference for me and my girls?

It depends on what level y’all can play at. For classical compositions, you’d need all 88 keys. For most pop music, 61 would be fine. 44 keys would be for the rank beginner and your girl would probably outgrow it pretty quickly. Lighted keyboards show which keys should be pressed — good for learning tunes straight out of the box.

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Mattand  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:03:09pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

Hey @Apple - if you’re not going to give me an OS upgrade path any more because my Mac Pro is too old, at least stop sending notifications about the new OS I should install immediately or wait until tomorrow.

Wait, are you talking about the old cheese grater design, or the new cylindrical Darth Vader looking ones?

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nines09  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:03:25pm

re: #289 Mattand

Hey, since we’re talking about instruments as Xmas gifts: any opinions on standard vs electronic drums for a beginner? In this case, the beginner is an adult.

My 2 cents. A decent drum kit will run you a lot more money. After all, it’s skins. And wood. Which need tuning, and all the things involved with brass (cymbals). Just as a cheap guitar can kill inspiration, so can cheap anything musically. You can pick up an electronic kit much cheaper and with a decent powered monitor you can get up to speed. Then see if you want to sink into a good kit.
I was going towards drums before I started playing guitar. I practiced on the old thick phone books.
Like I said, my 2 cents.
Have you ever had the opportunity to sit behind a good drum kit and bang?

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:05:46pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:05:49pm

re: #292 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Is she using a pick? My girl does the strumming.

Honoka and Azita use their nails, I think. But I think I’ve seen them use picks on occasion.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:06:46pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:07:04pm

OK. Time to teach young minds ‘bout English and stuff.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:07:28pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:08:26pm

Factoid:
Jimmy Carter will become the longest lived US President on March 21, 2019 (he was born 111 days after Bush 41).

edit. Corrected date

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:08:36pm

re: #303 nines09

My 2 cents. A decent drum kit will run you a lot more money. After all, it’s skins. And wood. Which need tuning, and all the things involved with brass (cymbals). Just as a cheap guitar can kill inspiration, so can cheap anything musically. You can pick up an electronic kit much cheaper and with a decent powered monitor you can get up to speed. Then see if you want to sink into a good kit.
I was going towards drums before I started playing guitar. I practiced on the old thick phone books.
Like I said, my 2 cents.
Have you ever had the opportunity to sit behind a good drum kit and bang?

This is the advice my parents were given when I said I wanted an electric guitar. They got me an SG Jr., which would be highly sought after now. But I saw a cool looking guitar at the shop and traded it for a non-reverse Firebird which is worth essentially nothing even though it’s from the 1960s as well. Oh well.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:08:53pm

re: #309 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Factoid:
Jimmy Carter will become the longest lived US President on March 21, 2018 (he was born 111 days after Bush 41).

And isn’t that going to spin the wingnuts into a frenzy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:10:13pm

re: #306 gocart mozart

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:10:57pm

re: #297 William Lewis

88 is the same as a piano. Anything written for piano can be played on it. It is bigger but with weighted keys responds to the hand like an acoustic instrument.

Smaller keyboards are good for traveling or playing in a band. Or if space is limited.

For someone just starting, id want a full size keyboard to avoid any bad habits a smaller one might cause.

That’s what I was getting from the conversation and thanks for confirming that. I’m going to try to get an 88 weighted keyboard. Wish me luck and I’ll be sure to do it through Amazon on this site so Charles gets whatever he gets from Amazon! You all are amazing and I truly appreciate this place and all of you for your helpfulness.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:11:05pm

re: #309 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Factoid:
Jimmy Carter will become the longest lived US President on March 21, 2018 (he was born 111 days after Bush 41).

You mean 2019.

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Mattand  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:11:10pm

re: #294 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, I never got the same feel from electronic drums. I would favor standard drums just because I feel like it’d be easier to learn the mechanics and the feel and the way different strokes play on a standard drum head. But that’s me.

Appreciate it!

re: #295 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Hoo boy, I’ve avoided this conversation because I know for a fact that my kids want drums, too. LOL.

I do not envy you, LOL.

re: #303 nines09

Have you ever had the opportunity to sit behind a good drum kit and bang?

We’re probably going to hit a few music stores over the weekend. My partner has been itching to learn since she was a kid, and wants to learn an instrument as part of celebrating her upcoming milestone birthday.

She’s actually fine with getting a used set, as they’re cheaper and not as big a financial hit if she doesn’t pursue it. I do appreciate the reminder about having to tune the drums; completely forgot about that.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:12:11pm

re: #300 William Lewis

I’d like to find a nice but cheap drum machine I can play on, record and then play along with on my guitar.

Do you have a digital keyboard?

*ducks and runs*

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:12:26pm

re: #316 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Do you have a digital keyboard?

*ducks and runs*

*WHACK!*

HOW DARE YOU.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:14:14pm

re: #301 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It depends on what level y’all can play at. For classical compositions, you’d need all 88 keys. For most pop music, 61 would be fine. 44 keys would be for the rank beginner and your girl would probably outgrow it pretty quickly. Lighted keyboards show which keys should be pressed — good for learning tunes straight out of the box.

Oh, I’m not one of those who think things should be easy. No lighted keyboards for her! Yeah, I think just going with the straight 88 keys would be the best. After all, I want to learn as well and, to me, a keyboard with fewer keys would be like trying to learn to play a saxophone on a recorder.

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Mattand  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:16:19pm

re: #300 William Lewis

I’d like to find a nice but cheap drum machine I can play on, record and then play along with on my guitar.

If you have a Mac, Garageband has a bunch of decent loops. I’ve recorded myself with those a handful of times.

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nines09  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:19:06pm

re: #313 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

There are wonderful weighted 88 key digital pianos out there. We bought a Yamaha YDP 223 years ago and it is still as good as the day we bought it. Has it all.
Yamaha is kick ass full size digital, and it sounds fantastic. You learn on something like that, you play anything.

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TedStriker  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:20:34pm

re: #318 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Oh, I’m not one of those who think things should be easy. No lighted keyboards for her! Yeah, I think just going with the straight 88 keys would be the best. After all, I want to learn as well and, to me, a keyboard with fewer keys would be like trying to learn to play a saxophone on a recorder.

C’mon, tell the truth…you want you and the daughter to play a keyboard like this:

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:22:36pm

re: #319 Mattand

If you have a Mac, Garageband has a bunch of decent loops. I’ve recorded myself with those a handful of times.

I

I’m on Linux but I do think that there is a similar application on it. I’ll look when I get home tonight.

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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:25:20pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:27:49pm

re: #317 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

*WHACK!*

HOW DARE YOU.

Hey, I just know that they have that digital drum set thing going on so you can have that going on in the background while you are playing! That’s not my fault!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:29:13pm

re: #324 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Hey, I just know that they have that digital drum set thing going on so you can have that going on in the background while you are playing! That’s not my fault!

Putting all of us decent and respectable…
*cough*
Umm, solid and …
*cough haaack*
Okay, fine, flat-out nucking futs crazy-ass drummers out of work with cheap synth.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:30:38pm

re: #300 William Lewis

I’d like to find a nice but cheap drum machine I can play on, record and then play along with on my guitar.

For his birthday, I’m going to get my son a Launch Key 61 Midi Controller. It comes with Ableton Live Lite and is designed to integrate with it. They also make 49 key and 25 key versions. They all include buttons that you can use to control tracks or set as drums sounds.

I also bought him this multipad percussion module for Christmas. That way he can grab it, some sticks, and go to a friend’s and play.

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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:30:54pm

Orange shitgibbon found his phone.

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nines09  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:37:20pm

re: #315 Mattand

A used set is fine, actually the way to go, but wood is a living thing. It may have been mishandled. A drummer who knows his stuff would help. And trust me, I attempted to tune drums many a time. It’s not always a tuning key and ear. My current drummer, who is a real musician who can sit in with orchestras uses a drum dial precision tuner along with pitch paired sticks. You can tell.
I guess what I’m attempting to say is don’t go cheap just to save a buck. There are deals, but you will get what you pay for. You will not hear what you hear on songs and the frustration will screw you because you are just starting out.
A used set of decent drums is fine as long as no issues are there. Fun fact. You can buy a small cheap kit and break a head and pay about 10% of the price of the entire kit to replace it. One important fact. As long as you do not overpay, you can recoup some money if you choose to unload or move up.
Just my 2 cents. Hope this helped in some small way.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:39:09pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:40:36pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:41:43pm

re: #321 TedStriker

C’mon, tell the truth…you want you and the daughter to play a keyboard like this:

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Yes! You got me! I would love for that to happen.

Funny thing is that my youngest in choir has a concert coming up. They added the “twist” to the choreography. My eldest said that no one likes the “twist.” I just have to shake my head sometimes at her. That clip made me grin for the first time in a long while, so thank you!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:42:49pm

I guess Jon Meacham’s eulogy was too much for him.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:43:28pm

re: #328 nines09

A used set is fine, actually the way to go, but wood is a living thing. It may have been mishandled. A drummer who knows his stuff would help. And trust me, I attempted to tune drums many a time. It’s not always a tuning key and ear. My current drummer, who is a real musician who can sit in with orchestras uses a drum dial precision tuner along with pitch paired sticks. You can tell.
I guess what I’m attempting to say is don’t go cheap just to save a buck. There are deals, but you will get what you pay for. You will not hear what you hear on songs and the frustration will screw you because you are just starting out.
A used set of decent drums is fine as long as no issues are there. Fun fact. You can buy a small cheap kit and break a head and pay about 10% of the price of the entire kit to replace it. One important fact. As long as you do not overpay, you can recoup some money if you choose to unload or move up.
Just my 2 cents. Hope this helped in some small way.

Drums, I think, are among the most finicky of instruments. The quality of the heads, the drum bodies, the sticks, the mounting gear, the way they’re tuned, the locations of the microphones (if being used), the air in the room, the phase of the moon, if Mercury is in retrograde - every single little thing makes a difference in how the things sound.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:44:25pm

re: #326 Belafon

That pad looks interesting. Do you run. It through an amp or does it have speakers? I need to read more.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:45:12pm

re: #333 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I had no idea that drums were that sensitive.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:46:17pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:46:37pm

re: #335 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I had no idea that drums were that sensitive.

Our worship team is blessed to have a couple of professional drummers volunteer to play on Sundays. I know exactly how sensitive they are. Mixing them is one of a competent sound man’s greatest challenges - alongside controlling those damned guitarists with their amplifiers blaring out across or under the stage.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:46:48pm

re: #333 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, I dunno, a tube amp can get a guitar player waving a dead chicken almost as fast as a SCSI-1 chain on a DG Aviion. … O_o

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:47:37pm

re: #336 Charles Johnson

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Instead condemn the people protesting them. God I hate these fuckers.

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Mattand  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:50:45pm

re: #328 nines09

I’ve literally learned more about drums from you in the last hour than I have my whole life. Much, much appreciated.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:52:51pm
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bd(Redacted)  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:53:10pm

What a good day:

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nines09  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:54:21pm

re: #333 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’ve see very talented drummers make a cheap kit sound decent. But behind a good kit, they kill.
It is in the hands eventually, but hands do not become better with an instrument that will not respond.

Watch for this on Craigslist or seek it out. It’s the later version of what we bought. It flat out kicks ass. It has it’s own speaker and that’s what ours sounds like.

Kraft Music - Yamaha Arius YDP-223 Digital Piano Demo

Hope this helps, I’m only saying what I have experienced.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:54:59pm

re: #193 Patricia Kayden

Very odd.

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Kobalt saw convention was going to be in town?

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:57:05pm

re: #340 Mattand

I almost bought a used set of Yamaha drums earlier this year as I was taking lessons at the time. They were a 5-piece Stage Custom with all the hardware including a good snare drum. The guy asked for $800, and that included the throne and cheap crappy Sabian cymbals. New, this set will run you close to a grand NOT COUNTING CYMBALS, and this is an entry level set that with new heads (I highly recommend you replace the heads if the set is new) sounds awesome.

P.S. I didn’t buy it, and I bought a condo a few months later, so in my situation electronic drums would obviously be the practical choice.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:57:19pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

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Wait Lumpy, you’re accusing a church of having a war on Christmas now? God you’ve grown even more stupid than you were last night. Please stop eating paint chips. I don’t like oyu but it’s really bad for your health. And how’s making that kind of statement any different from your idiotic Evaneglical pals that liken Trump to Christ. You don’t know a thing about theology. You’re just a right wing prostitute.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:58:06pm

re: #342 bd(Redacted)

What a good day:

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Trump would find that grifting over the top.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2018 • 6:59:37pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume the statement is that Jesus was an immigrant. Hey Lumpy, Jesus wasn’t white and didn’t speak English either.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:01:14pm

I’ve never seen Lumpy object when Evangelical Churches compare having to live in a society where same sex marriage is legal to the Holocaust. Lumpy just can’t accept because he’s too theologically and intellectually bankrupt to see that the nativity story definitely can apply to how Trump and him treat immigrant kids.

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Mattand  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:06:24pm

re: #345 Ace Rothstein

I almost bought a used set of Yamaha drums earlier this year as I was taking lessons at the time. They were a 5-piece Stage Custom with all the hardware including a good snare drum. The guy asked for $800, and that included the throne and cheap crappy Sabian cymbals. New, this set will run you close to a grand NOT COUNTING CYMBALS, and this is an entry level set that with new heads (I highly recommend you replace the heads if the set is new) sounds awesome.

P.S. I didn’t buy it, and I bought a condo a few months later, so in my situation electronic drums would obviously be the practical choice.

Appreciate it. We’re in a freestanding house, but we’re leaning towards electronic for both space and noise concerns.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:07:36pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:08:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:08:46pm

re: #351 Charles Johnson

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My only regret is that NR and the other right wing shitrags aren’t joining them but you can’t always get what you want.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:09:20pm

re: #333 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Drums, I think, are among the most finicky of instruments. The quality of the heads, the drum bodies, the sticks, the mounting gear, the way they’re tuned, the locations of the microphones (if being used), the air in the room, the phase of the moon, if Mercury is in retrograde - every single little thing makes a difference in how the things sound.

The only thing worse is a violin. There’s a little peg inside that separates the top and bottom. If that slips even a little bit, it completely changes the sound. I didn’t know this and my middle son suffered for it. He could play well, but it was so quiet that he wasn’t getting chair positions. I didn’t find out until I bought him one - we were renting, and he’d had that one for a couple of years - and the sound was so loud. I partially blame the instructors for not figuring it out, since they were supposedly the experts.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:10:04pm

When Trump takes his dirt nap, his funeral is going to be worse than Livia Soprano’s.

Youtube Video

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:10:57pm

re: #354 Belafon

It makes me a little sad that I didn’t figure all of this out fully until after I had been out of drumming for years. I had decent technical skill, and I would’ve loved to have continued to the next level on the side.

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gocart mozart  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:13:22pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:13:29pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

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I’ll bet they could go the border and find an actual baby Jesus in a cage. But that wouldn’t follow the Fox narrative, would it?

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nines09  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:15:01pm

re: #340 Mattand

I’ve literally learned more about drums from you in the last hour than I have my whole life. Much, much appreciated.

Thank you. I think the biggest mistake parents and beginners make is buying on looks or trying to save a buck.
A decent digital kit can sound good with a powered monitor and sound decent because you can add some processing to the sound. The included speakers will sound like tin on asphalt.
And a GOOD wood starter set will set you back $1000 to $1500. The cheap ones are just junk wood with wrap on them. 2 wet summers later…..boink.
My drummers kit, which is his lowest level kit as it sits in my basement where we practice. The Evans kick head is $45 by itself.
Add it up.

I’m glad I could help you.

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retired cynic  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:15:40pm

re: #333 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Drums, I think, are among the most finicky of instruments. The quality of the heads, the drum bodies, the sticks, the mounting gear, the way they’re tuned, the locations of the microphones (if being used), the air in the room, the phase of the moon, if Mercury is in retrograde - every single little thing makes a difference in how the things sound.

My “adopted son” is a very good drummer, and I can vouch for this. I helped him buy his current kit. He lost his precious crash cymbal in a windstorm this fall, and we couldn’t find a replacement at all. We had to buy a cheaper set of cymbals just to get some that would work together, and they are sure not what his others were. We’re on the lookout on ebay and will be for months, trying to find one.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:17:13pm

re: #354 Belafon

The only thing worse is a violin. There’s a little peg inside that separates the top and bottom. If that slips even a little bit, it completely changes the sound. I didn’t know this and my middle son suffered for it. He could play well, but it was so quiet that he wasn’t getting chair positions. I didn’t find out until I bought him one - we were renting, and he’d had that one for a couple of years - and the sound was so loud. I partially blame the instructors for not figuring it out, since they were supposedly the experts.

That really sucks! What I don’t get is my eldest plays upright bass in orchestra. At every concert, the orchestra teacher is tuning instruments beforehand. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this entire picture?

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:17:52pm
ON #HANNITY NOW: CHRISTMAS IS UNDER SIEGE. A Massachusetts church puts baby Jesus in a cage to make a political statement. Watch NOW!

Note to Hannity: That’s not baby Jesus, that’s a graven image.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:18:26pm

re: #359 nines09

Thank you. I think the biggest mistake parents and beginners make is buying on looks or trying to save a buck.
A decent digital kit can sound good with a powered monitor and sound decent because you can add some processing to the sound. The included speakers will sound like tin on asphalt.
And a GOOD wood starter set will set you back $1000 to $1500. The cheap ones are just junk wood with wrap on them. 2 wet summers later…..boink.
My drummers kit, which is his lowest level kit as it sits in my basement where we practice. The Evans kick head is $45 by itself.
Add it up.

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I’m glad I could help you.

Which is high enough to keep some people from being able to get them.

I’m one of those who believes that part of childhood is exploring. I spend money when my kids get interested in something. Within reason. I don’t buy $1000 pieces of equipment that they’re not going to use. $300 is pushing it. Now, if they get interested, then I will move up.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:19:20pm

re: #361 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

That really sucks! What I don’t get is my eldest plays upright bass in orchestra. At every concert, the orchestra teacher is tuning instruments beforehand. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this entire picture?

Wait, whaaaat? Oh dear FSM, no, we tuned our own instruments and may God have mercy on your soul if you were the slightest bit out of tune. Our band instructor would take a 5-minute rant and then force the whole band to sit and wait for you to re-tune. Damn saxophones.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:23:22pm

re: #357 gocart mozart

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nines09  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:24:42pm

re: #363 Belafon

And therein lies the rub.

In most things musical you ultimately get what you pay for. There are good deals, and they come and go. As I suggested, if you know a guitar player get input from them before buying a guitar.
And so on. A drum kit is about 8 musical instruments with about 50 levels of quality.

Nite all.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:28:38pm

Charles, I was looking at your wikipedia page, at the music, and I saw the entry on Jaco Pastorius. I’m not up on a lot of people in your list, and I clicked on his link. Not quite sure how to put this, so: What a wild way to go.

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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:34:50pm

Moron.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:36:56pm

re: #368 teleskiguy

Moron.

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Hey, Donald, polling your five kids doesn’t count.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:38:26pm

re: #368 teleskiguy

Moron.

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Thank God for Rasmussen, eh Donny?

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:38:29pm

re: #368 teleskiguy

Rasmussen, lol okay.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 5, 2018 • 7:41:29pm

re: #364 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wait, whaaaat? Oh dear FSM, no, we tuned our own instruments and may God have mercy on your soul if you were the slightest bit out of tune. Our band instructor would take a 5-minute rant and then force the whole band to sit and wait for you to re-tune. Damn saxophones.

LOL! Exactly! And in my band, it wasn’t the saxophones who were out of tune.

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uriel  Dec 5, 2018 • 10:33:16pm

re: #289 Mattand

From experience, I can say electronic drums are much better for experimental, random noodling for beginners- for both the musician and the people around the musician.

Which, with drums is a pretty big concern.

(My experience being being a son who took drum lessons and had both.)


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