Michael Cohen Gets 3 Years, Blasts Trump in Court; Trump Says “The People Would Revolt” if He’s Impeached

“Peanut stuff”

Well, Michael Cohen now knows where he’ll be spending the next three years: Michael Cohen sentenced to three years in prison for crimes committed while working for Trump.

“I stand before your honor humbly and painfully aware that we are here today for one reason, because of my actions that I pled guilty to,” Cohen said. “I take full responsibility for each act that I pled guilty to, the personal ones to me and those involving the president of the United States of America.”

Cohen said there was a deep irony about his sentencing, because he felt that he was finally getting free from Trump. “Today is the day I am getting my freedom back as you sit at the bench and contemplate my fate,” he said. “I have been living in a personal and mental incarceration ever since the fateful day that I accepted the offer to work for a famous real estate mogul whose business acumen I truly admired. In fact I now know there is little to be admired.”

He cited a recent tweet from the president calling Cohen “weak” for cooperating and said the president was right, but not in the way he meant.

“It was my own weakness and a blind loyalty to this man that led me to choose a path of darkness over light,” Cohen said. “Time and time again I felt it was my duty to cover up his dirty deeds.”

And of course, the Trump-thing is doing what he always does: Trump says he is not concerned about being impeached, defends payments to women.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he was not concerned that he could be impeached and that hush payments made ahead of the 2016 election by his former personal attorney Michael Cohen to two women did not violate campaign finance laws.

“It’s hard to impeach somebody who hasn’t done anything wrong and who’s created the greatest economy in the history of our country,” Trump told Reuters in an Oval Office interview.

“I’m not concerned, no. I think that the people would revolt if that happened,” he said.

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“Number one, it wasn’t a campaign contribution. If it were, it’s only civil, and even if it’s only civil, there was no violation based on what we did. OK?”

Asked about prosecutors’ assertions that a number of people who had worked for him met or had business dealings with Russians before and during his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump said: “The stuff you’re talking about is peanut stuff.”

Such a perfect example of the alleged thinking of the worst president this country has ever had. It’s all coming apart for Donald Trump now, and he knows it. Somewhere deep inside his twisted mind, there’s a lot of screaming going on.

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315 comments

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:34:01am

Trump supporters are already revolting

and deplorably so

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:34:14am
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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:35:41am

I hope he serves every second of his sentence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:36:35am

re: #3 Teddy’s Person

I hope he serves every second of his sentence.

He can tell his prison cellmates all about Donny and Stormy…

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:37:25am
“It’s hard to impeach somebody who hasn’t done anything wrong and who’s created the greatest economy in the history of our country,” Trump told Reuters in an Oval Office interview.

“I’m not concerned, no. I think that the people would revolt if that happened,” he said.

Yeah, the only president to never break 50% approval, the people are definitely going to revolt if he’s impeached. Yup, definitely.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:38:02am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump supporters are already revolting and deplorably so

Make no mistake here. That is a clear call to action, and that includes violent action. maybe the most dangerous utterance so far? Well okay top five?

BTW Charles, love the graphic.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:39:51am

re: #5 KGxvi

Yeah, the only president to never break 50% approval, the people are definitely going to revolt if he’s impeached. Yup, definitely.

He might get a few of the hard core Red Hats to do some crazy shit, but the majority of Americans would be absolutely fine with his impeachment.

The level of delusion at work in his mind still amazes me, even after watching it for years now.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:40:37am

By revolt, a celebration up there with VJ Day he means. I’m already planning to celebrate the night he’s gone.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:41:12am

*sigh*

One more time, with feeling: Prison rape jokes are still not funny.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:42:33am

re: #5 KGxvi

Yeah, the only president to never break 50% approval, the people are definitely going to revolt if he’s impeached. Yup, definitely.

Besides we all know it’s just the lefty antifas who are violent.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:43:09am

re: #5 KGxvi

Yeah, the only president to never break 50% approval, the people are definitely going to revolt if he’s impeached. Yup, definitely.

He lives in a giant bubble.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:43:27am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You just might want to rethink that post.

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IngisKahn  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:44:26am

re: #9 Flying Squirrel Girl

But it’s the perfect combination of misogyny and homophobia… among other things.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:45:11am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Please reconsider what was posted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:45:25am

re: #12 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

You just might want to rethink that post.

I did, you are right, not funny even if…well…

still not funny

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:45:46am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

It’s really hard to say. If you work based on the assumption that most technology is universal - that is to say, the earliest forms of sentient life will discovery ways to harness fire first, and then build from there, then yes, it could follow that a civilization building species might pollute itself out of existence. However, it also depends on the chemical composition of those planets’ atmosphere and the way organic creatures use that atmosphere (on earth animals absorb oxygen and release carbon dioxide, plants do the opposite; on another planet, with a different atmosphere, the exchange could be very different).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:46:28am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hope his cellmates play Donnie and Stormy with him every night at bedtime

What others have said already. Him getting raped isn’t justice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:46:57am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

What others have said already. Him getting raped isn’t justice.

I changed it

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:47:07am

re: #18 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I changed it

Good deal.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:48:29am

I think he does these stupid rallies not only because it’s easier than work but because he’s a needy baby.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:49:02am

re: #15 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I did, you are right, not funny even if…well…

still not funny

Thanks. Down Ding reversed,.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:49:12am

re: #5 KGxvi

Yeah, the only president to never break 50% approval, the people are definitely going to revolt if he’s impeached. Yup, definitely.

re: #6 Unshaken Defiance

Make no mistake here. That is a clear call to action, and that includes violent action. maybe the most dangerous utterance so far? Well okay top five?

BTW Charles, love the graphic.

You don’t need a large percentage of people to cause chaos — Trump did receive about 63 million votes and today he still commands tens of millions of supporters. What if there are 100 Timothy McVeighs out there and several dozen beltway snipers?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:49:45am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump supporters are already revolting

and deplorably so

You said it, they stink on ice!

The People are Revolting

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:51:41am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think he does these stupid rallies not only because it’s easier than work but because he’s a needy baby.

Needy baby, Greedy baby.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:52:23am
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unproven innocence  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:53:26am

“The stuff you’re talking about is peanut stuff.” —thus sayeth our Resident WallNut

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:55:39am

Donnie called just about every other media source “Fake News” but he never called National Enquirer “Fake News”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:57:02am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:57:30am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think he does these stupid rallies not only because it’s easier than work but because he’s a needy baby.

Trump thinks this nation is a reality TV show and his performance is required to entertain the populace. Given how the networks treated him during his campaign — how they preferred to air an empty platform awaiting his arrival instead of broadcasting a serious speech by his rival — he may not be wrong. After all, the only time she managed to get serious coverage for her statements was when she called half his supporters deplorable. Maybe Linda McMahon is managing this country; after all his behavior is more suitable to a WWE participant than a legitimate president.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2018 • 11:58:21am

AOC is going to have to stop owning conservatives before I develop a huge crush on her.

The battle’s on.

After Kellyanne Conway accused Rep.-Elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — without mentioning her name — of tweeting a “slur” about White House chief of staff John Kelly and diminishing her intelligence on Fox News Tuesday, the soon-to-be congresswoman shot back, suggesting Conway has been “engaged in a war on facts” since President Trump took office.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:00:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:01:09pm

re: #30 makeitstop

AOC is going to have to stop owning conservatives before I develop a huge crush on her.

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Kelly is a coward. Being a former general doesn’t absolve him of anything.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:01:59pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Hoft is such a failure of evolution.

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ericblair  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:02:03pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Did climate change already kill all the aliens we’ve been searching for?

Ha ha no, they kept clicking on clickbaity articles and all starved to death.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:04:14pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
Right wing Twitter is now in full-on whataboutobama mode, distorting the hell out of anything they can find from Obama’s presidency to make it look like he’s as bad as Trump.

“As bad as Trump” is an interesting defense.

2:56 PM - Dec 12, 2018

The stages of coming to terms with Trump reality.

1. denial
2. anger
3. depression
4. bargaining
5. acceptance.

I think right now wingnut Trumpers are at 2.

Around January 1st they will hit 3 and 4 will be soon after.

Hopefully in a couple of months (or less!) Mueller will push them to 5 once he details in his reporting all the facts that will be impossible for them to deny…though they will try.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:04:24pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

“Yeah, what about those 4 people in the Obama admin that had been convicted at this point?”

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:05:24pm

re: #34 ericblair

Ha ha no, they kept clicking on clickbaity articles and all starved to death.

More likely that they engaged in a nuclear war (or whatever WMDs were at their disposal) and destroyed the planet quickly.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:05:42pm
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:05:52pm

re: #26 unproven innocence

“The stuff you’re talking about is peanut stuff.” —thus sayeth our Resident WallNut

You know, it is peanut stuff in comparison with what is yet to come, including personal finances, the treason of other senior Republicans, plus Russian money and collusion.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:06:12pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

The stages of coming to terms with Trump reality.

1. denial
2. anger
3. depression
4. bargaining
5. acceptance.

I think right now wingnut Trumpers are at 2.

Around January 1st they will hit 3 and 4 will be soon after.

Hopefully in a couple of months (or less!) Mueller will push them to 5 once he details in his reporting all the facts that will be impossible for them to deny…though they will try.

And you just watch - if Trump goes down (either as a result of Mueller’s investigation or the 2020 election), all those Trumpers will be denying they ever supported him in the first place, just like they did with W.

It’s practically guaranteed.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:08:04pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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What a fucking disgrace to the medical community this asshole is. Man you have no idea how much as someone on the spectrum I hate this crap.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:08:39pm

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

And you just watch - if Trump goes down (either as a result of Mueller’s investigation or the 2020 election), all those Trumpers will be denying they ever supported him in the first place, just like they did with W.

It’s practically guaranteed.

Trump? He was a RINO. We only supported him to stop HRC.//

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:09:06pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

The stages of coming to terms with Trump reality.

1. denial
2. anger
3. depression
4. bargaining
5. acceptance.

I think right now wingnut Trumpers are at 2.

Around January 1st they will hit 3 and 4 will be soon after.

Hopefully in a couple of months (or less!) Mueller will push them to 5 once he details in his reporting all the facts that will be impossible for them to deny…though they will try.

Those voters who would stick by him even if he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue don’t care about any of the allegations to date, including his support for Putin or MBS. They actually admire his being a thug, because he’s a white thug who demeans people of color.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:09:36pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Trump? He was a RINO. We only supported him to stop HRC.//

Saw him around the White House now and again, didn’t really know him. I think he got us coffee a couple of times…

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:09:37pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Trump? He was a RINO. We only supported him to stop HRC.//

He was a lifelong Democrat! And if only the Democrats hadn’t nominated Hillary!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:11:38pm

re: #45 KGxvi

He was a lifelong Democrat! And if only the Democrats hadn’t nominated Hillary!

TBH as much as that will annoy me, it will infuriate Trump.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:12:40pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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You believe in a conspiracy where the CDC is deliberately lying about the “danger” of vaccines in order to enrich manufacturers, but also believe that if you go in there and throw a tantrum they’re going to give you the “real” data that will show such.

Again, we’re reminded that one can be book smart and still stupid as fuck.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:14:03pm
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gwangung  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:14:15pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

You believe in a conspiracy where the CDC is deliberately lying about the “danger” of vaccines in order to enrich manufacturers, but also believe that if you go in there and throw a tantrum they’re going to give you the “real” data that will show such.

Again, we’re reminded that one can be book smart and still stupid as fuck.

Enrich manufacturers? On a process that’s labor intensive, low margin and has few competitors in an area?

Yeah, right. It makes no economic sense.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:14:26pm
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CongoJack  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:16:58pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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I am pro vaccine. My 13.5 month old is vaccinated. My wife and I will vaccinate all of our future children. My only complaint is can they please cut down (… and I don’t have any thoughts on how) on the side effects. My kid was perfectly fine. Went in for is 1 year shots and for two weeks he had low grade fever (100ish), runny nose, and a cough (caused by runny nose possibly).

He’s a happy little camper now though.. new pic (just before his 1st birthday).

The horse in the background was my wife’s grandfathers - this fella has survived 3 generations.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:20:54pm

re: #51 CongoJack

He’s darling!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:21:12pm

re: #51 CongoJack

I am pro vaccine. My 13.5 month old is vaccinated. My wife and I will vaccinate all of our future children. My only complaint is can they please cut down (… and I don’t have any thoughts on how) on the side effects. My kid was perfectly fine. Went in for is 1 year shots and for two weeks he had low grade fever (100ish), runny nose, and a cough (caused by runny nose possibly).

He’s a happy little camper now though.. new pic (just before his 1st birthday).

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Cute. My niece is 4 3/4 now. Starting to read. Her memory is amazing and she loves to tease me. She insisted I was the little brother and that we don’t have the same last name.

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can't think of a decent username  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:23:04pm

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

And you just watch - if Trump goes down (either as a result of Mueller’s investigation or the 2020 election), all those Trumpers will be denying they ever supported him in the first place, just like they did with W.

It’s practically guaranteed.

Ol’ Dark Whatever-His-Name-Is and GamerGate What’s-His-Name will both be back here telling everyone they’re back on the side of the angels…

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:23:44pm

This definitely sounds like someone who is absolutely not worried about 2020, not at all:

In the most far-reaching move, Donald Trump’s allies are looking to scrap the state GOP’s tradition of remaining neutral in the primary — to clear the way for an endorsement of the president. They’re also moving to install one of their own as head of the state Republican Party.

The efforts wouldn’t stop a moderate [sic] Republican like John Kasich from taking on Trump. But they are designed to shield the president from the kind of damage that a serious primary fight could do to him heading into the general election. An endorsement would provide much more than just a verbal statement of support: It would enable the New Hampshire Republican Party to throw the weight of its entire apparatus behind Trump against any GOP rival.

If you think the last three years have been something, the next three are shaping up to be extraordinary.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:23:54pm

re: #51 CongoJack

I am pro vaccine. My 13.5 month old is vaccinated. My wife and I will vaccinate all of our future children. My only complaint is can they please cut down (… and I don’t have any thoughts on how) on the side effects. My kid was perfectly fine. Went in for is 1 year shots and for two weeks he had low grade fever (100ish), runny nose, and a cough (caused by runny nose possibly).

He’s a happy little camper now though.. new pic (just before his 1st birthday).

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Not a whole lot you can do other than maybe Benadryl.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:24:57pm

re: #55 KGxvi

This definitely sounds like someone who is absolutely not worried about 2020, not at all:

If you think the last three years have been something, the next three are shaping up to be extraordinary.

The party is turning on itself. Works for me.

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:26:07pm

re: #57 Belafon

The party is turning on itself. Works for me.

This is usually the kind of thing that happens when you’re out of power, not when you have the presidency and one chamber of Congress.

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CongoJack  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:26:15pm

re: #56 Belafon

Not a whole lot you can do other than maybe Benadryl.

Baby ibuprofen or baby Tylenol depending on what is needed (pain or fever relief). Also my wife is crazy and does the essential oil things - which I call witchcraft (/).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:26:50pm

re: #51 CongoJack

I am pro vaccine. My 13.5 month old is vaccinated. My wife and I will vaccinate all of our future children. My only complaint is can they please cut down (… and I don’t have any thoughts on how) on the side effects. My kid was perfectly fine. Went in for is 1 year shots and for two weeks he had low grade fever (100ish), runny nose, and a cough (caused by runny nose possibly).

He’s a happy little camper now though.. new pic (just before his 1st birthday).

I think that a lot of parents are put off by these mild side effects.

I recall going to a baby swimming course with a neighbor. Part of the course involved ducking the baby’s head underwater for a few seconds jut to get it used to the feeling.

The neighbor could not bring herself to do it…because she felt she was somehow hurting the baby or causing it discomfort. Even though it was helping the kid to learn something that might save its life some day.

That must be much the same mentality.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:29:24pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think he does these stupid rallies not only because it’s easier than work but because he’s a needy baby.

He’s cosplaying Hitler, who is, in his Narcissist “world view” (such as it is), the Ultimate Man.

I bet real cash money that Trump has said Hitler was the most amazing person in history, somewhere in private conversation. Hitler is the most famous White Guy ever. Look at what he did! He’s unforgettable! All those people loved him at rallies… Deep in the bottom of the shallow pool of Trump’s “personality”, he admires and wishes he could be as famous as Mr. H. with the funny mustache. That’s why the only book he’s known to have read regularly was a collection of Hitler’s speeches; that’s why he holds little Nuremburg Rallies every month. He’s playing dictator and he got somebody else (us) to foot the bill for it, just like he’s done all his life.

The difference is, Hitler had more integrity and was better at pretending to be a statesman than DJT. At least H’s romantic nihilism gave him enough conviction to off himself when the Soviets showed up at the end of the block. (Ironic that the Russians may lead to our boy’s Downfall?!).

If Trump doesn’t start a war to wreck us all, he’s going to end up running down the street naked and screaming with the Feds trying to throw a net over him like some kind of wild animal. He’s not smart enough to judge his own position and take decisive action with a .380.

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:30:05pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

Donnie called just about every other media source “Fake News” but he never called National Enquirer “Fake News”

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But the National Enquirer doesn’t call itself news…

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:34:10pm

re: #55 KGxvi

This definitely sounds like someone who is absolutely not worried about 2020, not at all:

If you think the last three years have been something, the next three are shaping up to be extraordinary.

Isn’t the kind of behavior you would expect from a dictator wannabe consolidating his power? He doesn’t feel sufficiently confident to knock people off a la Putin but he certainly has expressed interest in imprisoning those who dare challenge him (also a la Putin). Now he is trying to prevent them from even running.

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CongoJack  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:35:15pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that a lot of parents are put off by these mild side effects.

I recall going to a baby swimming course with a neighbor. Part of the course involved ducking the baby’s head underwater for a few seconds jut to get it used to the feeling.

The neighbor could not bring herself to do it…because she felt she was somehow hurting the baby or causing it discomfort. Even though it was helping the kid to learn something that might save its life some day.

That must be much the same mentality.

Mild… 100 temp for a week or two is just outside my definition of mild. I get why it happens but I am not certain all parents are like my wife and I and check our kid’s temp every morning, afternoon, and evening. A prolonged temperature above 103 can cause issues in brain development.

Yes… we are those crazy parents.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:36:06pm

re: #61 Pawn of the Oppressor

Deep in the bottom of the shallow pool of Trump’s “personality”, he admires and wishes he could be as famous as Mr. H. with the funny mustache.

That’s why he wears his hair in that stupid gelled-up combover ducktail. It’s his “look” just like the toothbrush mustache.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:36:45pm

re: #64 CongoJack

Mild… 100 temp for a week or two is just outside my definition of mild. I get why it happens but I am not certain all parents are like my wife and I and check our kid’s temp every morning, afternoon, and evening. A prolonged temperature above 103 can cause issues in brain development.

Yes… we are those crazy parents.

our kids had some fever and sniffles as well

and certainly a matter of concern

but still mild compared to the diseases they help prevent

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:37:53pm
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CongoJack  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:38:14pm

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

our kids had some fever and sniffles as well

and certainly a matter of concern

but still mild compared to the diseases they help prevent

That I 100% agree with - and I also want the herd immunity to work and thus they should be mandatory (no religious exceptions imho).

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TedStriker  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:38:35pm

re: #15 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I did, you are right, not funny even if…well…

still not funny

The only person that I know of that made a successful attempt at telling a funny rape joke is George Carlin…and he was a master, because, as he noted, you can make a joke about anything if you can construct exaggerations to take the subject way out of proportion to the rest of the joke.

Everyone else should probably steer wayyyy clear of that subject as joke fodder.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:40:30pm

Still have terrible memories of being bedridden 3 weeks with measles when I was a kid then returning to class to find out one of my classmates died and another one was blinded by measles.

Which is why I support mandatory immunization with no exemptions.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:42:06pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Probably has some kind of snake oil or “holistic wellness plan” as an alternative, with his medical credentials powering the grift. Unethical doctors are not above this.

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:43:00pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

I think right now wingnut Trumpers are at 2.

Around January 1st they will hit 3 and 4 will be soon after.

Hopefully in a couple of months (or less!) Mueller will push them to 5 once he details in his reporting all the facts that will be impossible for them to deny…though they will try.

I don’t know how close the analogy works, but… my father was a HUUUUGE Nixon supporter. When WaPo stories about Watergate started coming out, he didn’t believe it because he didn’t want to believe it. He turned himself into a pretzel trying to find alternate explanations for proven facts. “The burglars were looking to steal typewriters, they thought a campaign office might have cash, their tangential connection to Nixon’s campaign is why they knew where the DNC office was located, but they weren’t acting under orders.”

When televised hearings started and more damaging facts, from people higher up the chain came out, he still refused to believe it because he just didn’t want to believe it. “criminals are trying to downplay their own responsibility and shift more blame to their bosses who hadn’t really known all the details of what they were up to. They’re trying to get reduced sentences.”

It wasn’t until the tapes came out that he had to admit it really was what it looked like. It broke his heart.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:44:31pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that a lot of parents are put off by these mild side effects.

I recall going to a baby swimming course with a neighbor. Part of the course involved ducking the baby’s head underwater for a few seconds jut to get it used to the feeling.

The neighbor could not bring herself to do it…because she felt she was somehow hurting the baby or causing it discomfort. Even though it was helping the kid to learn something that might save its life some day.

That must be much the same mentality.

I think part of the problem with parents that are younger than the boomers is they benefited from the fight against all the illnesses that were part of life for the boomers parents. Those parents of the 40s and 50s were very aware of child illnesses because they had to deal with them and that means both deaths of young children and the effects of some of the diseases that left their kids scarred for life.

Vaccines made the world safer to the point where apparently younger parents do not see the illnesses and the effects of those illnesses today so they start to forget how important vaccines were and are.

What do they hear now? Bullshit on TV and on the net and in social media about dangers of vaccines and their supposed link to autism.

They see autism and that is now their enemy…not all the illnesses vaccines fought off.

I guess everyone is going to learn the hard way. The illnesses will come back, probably stronger and the whole cycle will start over again.

By the way, I am not a parent and don’t know a lot of younger parents anymore.

I am thinking there are children that haven’t been vaccinated yet still have been diagnosed Autistic. But I don’t know for sure. Does anyone know if anyone is keeping count of Autistic children that haven’t gone through the vaccines compared to children that were vaccinated and are Autistic?

Or, does that not get around because it is not the current take on vaccines and Autism?

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:45:23pm

re: #72 sagehen

It broke his heart.

I’m rooting hard for widespread Red Hat heartbreak.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:45:31pm

re: #70 Joe Bacon 🌹

Still have terrible memories of being bedridden 3 weeks with measles when I was a kid then returning to class to find out one of my classmates died and another one was blinded by measles.

Which is why I support mandatory immunization with no exemptions.

For children who are healthy, yes. But there are children born with neurological or other impairments for which vaccines can be extremely hazardous. These children do benefit from herd immunity.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:45:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:47:47pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:48:51pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

I think part of the problem with parents that are younger than the boomers is they benefited from the fight against all the illnesses that were part of life for the boomers parents. Those parents of the 40s and 50s were very aware of child illnesses because they had to deal with them and that means both deaths of young children and the effects of some of the diseases that left their kids scarred for life.

Vaccines made the world safer to the point where apparently younger parents do not see the illnesses and the effects of those illnesses today so they start to forget how important vaccines were and are.

What do they hear now? Bullshit on TV and on the net and in social media about dangers of vaccines and their supposed link to autism.

They see autism and that is now their enemy…not all the illnesses vaccines fought off.

I guess everyone is going to learn the hard way. The illnesses will come back, probably stronger and the whole cycle will start over again.

It also represents an overlap between anti-Big Pharma, anti-Western Medicine moonbats and anti-Big Government and anti-Modern Science wingnuts.

And I fear that they have started to reach a critical mass that is be toxic or even fatal.

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CongoJack  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:49:56pm

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

For children who are healthy, yes. But there are children born with neurological or other impairments for which vaccines can be extremely hazardous. These children do benefit from herd immunity.

Yes x 1000

The issue is attempting to tell an anti-vaxxer what herd immunity is - they don’t care.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:50:42pm
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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:51:07pm

re: #61 Pawn of the Oppressor

He’s cosplaying Hitler, who is, in his Narcissist “world view” (such as it is), the Ultimate Man.

I bet real cash money that Trump has said Hitler was the most amazing person in history, somewhere in private conversation. Hitler is the most famous White Guy ever. Look at what he did! He’s unforgettable! All those people loved him at rallies… Deep in the bottom of the shallow pool of Trump’s “personality”, he admires and wishes he could be as famous as Mr. H. with the funny mustache. That’s why the only book he’s known to have read regularly was a collection of Hitler’s speeches; that’s why he holds little Nuremburg Rallies every month. He’s playing dictator and he got somebody else (us) to foot the bill for it, just like he’s done all his life.

The difference is, Hitler had more integrity and was better at pretending to be a statesman than DJT. At least H’s romantic nihilism gave him enough conviction to off himself when the Soviets showed up at the end of the block. (Ironic that the Russians may lead to our boy’s Downfall?!).

If Trump doesn’t start a war to wreck us all, he’s going to end up running down the street naked and screaming with the Feds trying to throw a net over him like some kind of wild animal. He’s not smart enough to judge his own position and take decisive action with a .380.

Wasn’t there something about him keep a Mussolini book on his nightstand or some such? Back during the campaign? Or am I mixing up my wingnuts?

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:52:56pm

re: #63 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t the kind of behavior you would expect from a dictator wannabe consolidating his power? He doesn’t feel sufficiently confident to knock people off a la Putin but he certainly has expressed interest in imprisoning those who dare challenge him (also a la Putin). Now he is trying to prevent them from even running.

I suppose you could read it that way. They’re definitely trying to head off any sort of primary challenge, which seems like a tell to me when it comes to his actual political strength within the party.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:53:19pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Wasn’t there something about him keep a Mussolini book on his nightstand or some such? Back during the campaign? Or am I mixing up my wingnuts?

You’re mixing up your dictators. I think it was Ivana that said he kept a book of Hitler’s speeches on his nightstand.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:53:31pm

The “people’s revolt” on my MAGA side of the family consists of drinking cheap Scotch on ice and/or Pearl Lite beer while bitching, watching the bug zapper. These are not geniuses here and they can’t organize a Christmas list, much less a revolt. But, OK.

I’m not concerned about the MAGA army.

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CongoJack  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:54:09pm

re: #83 Teddy’s Person

You’re mixing up your dictators. I think it was Ivana that said he kept a book of Hitler’s speeches on his nightstand.

Correct

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:54:30pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:55:27pm

re: #86 jaunte

This makes absolutely no sense. If anything, I’d think that immigrants from Vietnam who arrived after diplomatic relations were restored would be eligible for deportation. But I’m no immigration lawyer.

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:55:45pm

re: #72 sagehen

I don’t know how close the analogy works, but… my father was a HUUUUGE Nixon supporter. When WaPo stories about Watergate started coming out, he didn’t believe it because he didn’t want to believe it. He turned himself into a pretzel trying to find alternate explanations for proven facts. “The burglars were looking to steal typewriters, they thought a campaign office might have cash, their tangential connection to Nixon’s campaign is why they knew where the DNC office was located, but they weren’t acting under orders.”

When televised hearings started and more damaging facts, from people higher up the chain came out, he still refused to believe it because he just didn’t want to believe it. “criminals are trying to downplay their own responsibility and shift more blame to their bosses who hadn’t really known all the details of what they were up to. They’re trying to get reduced sentences.”

It wasn’t until the tapes came out that he had to admit it really was what it looked like. It broke his heart.

I’ve said it before, but I’m still pretty sure my mom (who graduated HS in the early 70s) still thinks Nixon got a raw deal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:56:52pm

re: #83 Teddy’s Person

You’re mixing up your dictators. I think it was Ivana that said he kept a book of Hitler’s speeches on his nightstand.

Although if, as many have suggested, Trump is dyslexic, he wouldn’t have been able to read them. Maybe Ivana had to read out loud “bedtime stories” for him?

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:57:19pm

re: #86 jaunte

The hardest thing for me these past two years is learning just how many people are vile. So, so vile.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:57:54pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:58:09pm

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

Although if, as many have suggested, Trump is dyslexic, he wouldn’t have been able to read them. Maybe Ivana had to read out loud “bedtime stories” for him?

Thanks for loading me up with that image. Brain bleach stat!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:58:36pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Wasn’t there something about him keep a Mussolini book on his nightstand or some such? Back during the campaign? Or am I mixing up my wingnuts?

re: #83 Teddy’s Person

You’re mixing up your dictators. I think it was Ivana that said he kept a book of Hitler’s speeches on his nightstand.

It was the book “My New Order”, a collection of Hitler’s speeches, given him by his friend Marty Davis.

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CongoJack  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:58:39pm

re: #84 BlueGrl21

The “people’s revolt” on my MAGA side of the family consists of drinking cheap Scotch on ice and/or Pearl Lite beer while bitching, watching the bug zapper. These are not geniuses here and they can’t organize a Christmas list, much less a revolt. But, OK.

I’m not concerned about the MAGA army.

Jim Gaffigan has a joke about him going through the south.

YouTube

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 12:58:55pm

re: #87 Sir John Barron

This makes absolutely no sense.

Sure it does, to Trump, Vietnam is a shithole country and we don’t want those kind of people.

It’s incredibly stupid, of course, but it’s Trump, so I repeat myself.

In southern California the Vietnamese community has traditionally be pretty solidly Republican, like a big chunk of Cubans in Florida in a lot of ways - they escaped communism, often coming with nothing, and worked incredibly hard to build a middle class life.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:00:05pm

re: #87 Sir John Barron

This makes absolutely no sense. If anything, I’d think that immigrants from Vietnam who arrived after diplomatic relations were restored would be eligible for deportation. But I’m no immigration lawyer.

Houston has the largest Vietnamese community outside of California. Let them try to come for our neighbors. We’re already a sanctuary city, we’ll just protect more people.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:01:16pm

re: #91 lawhawk

lawhawk
@lawhawk
That guideline has never been tested by the courts, and should not be utilized when the crimes alleged contribute to getting that person elected to the WH.

Trump’s criminality was in furtherance of gaining the WH, including money laundering, conspiracy against US, obstruction

What troubles me is that there is no constitutional remedy for this. He’s guilty as all get out, but there’s no process to declare his actions as president invalid. Unless, I’m missing something. Please, please tell me if I am.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:01:55pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:02:30pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Wasn’t there something about him keep a Mussolini book on his nightstand or some such? Back during the campaign? Or am I mixing up my wingnuts?

one of his wives mentioned that, yes

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:02:55pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Wasn’t there something about him keep a Mussolini book on his nightstand or some such? Back during the campaign? Or am I mixing up my wingnuts?

Hitler speeches, according to Marla.

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:04:11pm

Per wikipedia, by 2015, 86% of Vietnamese immigrants who were eligible to become citizens have been naturalized. So, I’m not entirely sure how many people they’ll actually be able to deport.

Also, fuck Trump

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:05:31pm

re: #91 lawhawk

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That (IMHO) is why the DOJ “guideline” is ridiculous. A sitting president should not be immune from the law simply because he’s popular enough or his party has enough votes to prevent his removal from office. That’s a ridiculous legal standard to operate under, as it perverts our justice system from one of “beyond reasonable doubt” to “too big to fail.”

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:06:27pm
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:07:05pm

re: #88 KGxvi

I’ve said it before, but I’m still pretty sure my mom (who graduated HS in the early 70s) still thinks Nixon got a raw deal.

The Nixon get screwed!faction of the GOP should not be underestimated. Dick Cheney was a congressman from Wyoming at the time of Watergate, and Rumsfeld et al were all active and they never ever forgot or forgave. Cheney in particular was vocal about getting pay back on the Democrats. Dems never remotely tried to retaliate for Clinton the way the GOP has held a grudge for Nixon.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:07:35pm

re: #103 gocart mozart

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So what exactly have you done?

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TedStriker  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:07:57pm

re: #104 Scottish Dragon

Your bracket’s screwed up on your closing wingnut script.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:08:59pm

Further discussion why the DOJ guidelines against indictment of a sitting president fails to be persuasive. It relies heavily on equitable tolling to allow prosecutors the chance to go after a president for crimes that may have a statute of limitations that has run.

Say T commits crime X occurred in 2015 and has a 3 year time limit. T is president from 2017 to 2021. That would mean per the statute of limitations T can’t be charged - the statute of limitations has run.

Equitable tolling is a legal theory that would extend the SOL to a point where T could face justice.

The problem with this is that equitable tolling is speculative, hasn’t been tested either, and there’s even less justification for it under the law than indicting a sitting president.

There’s no reason to give the president immunity from criminal charges while sitting as president. None. The position isn’t above the law, and criminal charges are serious and can involve high crimes.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:09:07pm

re: #101 KGxvi

Per wikipedia, by 2015, 86% of Vietnamese immigrants who were eligible to become citizens have been naturalized. So, I’m not entirely sure how many people they’ll actually be able to deport.

Also, fuck Trump

They started a task force to revoke citizenship.

washingtonpost.com

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BlueGrl21  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:09:32pm

re: #101 KGxvi

Per wikipedia, by 2015, 86% of Vietnamese immigrants who were eligible to become citizens have been naturalized. So, I’m not entirely sure how many people they’ll actually be able to deport.

Also, fuck Trump

It’s ridiculous. I grew up in the Vietnamese community in Houston. Absolutely preposterous to even consider them “not American.”

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:09:37pm

re: #90 Teddy’s Person

The hardest thing for me these past two years is learning just how many people are vile. So, so vile.

You spelled “Evil” wrong.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:09:42pm

re: #106 TedStriker

Your bracket’s screwed up on your closing wingnut script.

got it, thanks

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:10:02pm

re: #97 Teddy’s Person

What troubles me is that there is no constitutional remedy for this. He’s guilty as all get out, but there’s no process to declare his actions as president invalid. Unless, I’m missing something. Please, please tell me if I am.

There isn’t. Once the Electoral College has voted, and he’s been sworn in, the only remedy is impeachment. He can be prohibited from seeking office again, if he’s convicted by the Senate, but undoing the stuff he’s done as president would fall on his successor and on Congress. Some of that is easy enough - signing back on to the Paris Accords, being an honest participant in the new rounds of climate change talks, rejoining discussions on the new TPP, reversing terrible regulations. Others, not so much - there’s not going to be much political will to remove judges he’s appointed, for example.

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:10:17pm

re: #110 Rocky-in-Connecticut

You spelled “Evil” wrong.

Yes, yes I did.

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gwangung  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:11:38pm

re: #109 BlueGrl21

It’s ridiculous. I grew up in the Vietnamese community in Houston. Absolutely preposterous to even consider them “not American.”

Oh, the fact that they’re not white is enough for some people to consider this not-preposterous….

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:11:44pm

Shep and Napolitano get together, have joint moment of sanity:

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:13:29pm

Katyal also weighs in on the statute of limitations and immunity of a sitting president and finds the argument… wanting.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:13:37pm

re: #112 KGxvi

…. but undoing the stuff he’s done as president would fall on his successor and on Congress. Some of that is easy enough… Others, not so much - there’s not going to be much political will to remove judges he’s appointed, for example.

Unless the judges themselves commit an impeachable offense in office, how could they be legally removed? It’s not political will at that point but legal remedies.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:16:51pm

re: #103 gocart mozart

The seeds the President has planted are growing and the promise they hold will improve places long forgotten, and the lives of those who call those places home.

— Ben Carson

Whut?

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Teddy's Person  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:16:53pm

re: #112 KGxvi

There isn’t.

And nothing to stop someone else from committing crimes to get elected if what they do in office still stands (martyrs for the cause so to speak). To me, it’s a big flaw in our system that I never considered before. I always put too much trust in that checks and balances thing.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:18:51pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:19:44pm

re: #118 Sir John Barron

Whut?

The seeds Trump has planted are for flowers of evil.

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DesertDenizen  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:19:47pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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Somehow America has ended up with a huge number of citizens with no sense of social responsibility. If individuals don’t have it, I’m not surprised that organizations made up of individuals don’t have it either.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:20:15pm

re: #86 jaunte

Any time I see these things, I think of the coworker whose a naturalized citizen from Vietnam who voted for Trump.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:20:55pm

re: #87 Sir John Barron

This makes absolutely no sense. If anything, I’d think that immigrants from Vietnam who arrived after diplomatic relations were restored would be eligible for deportation. But I’m no immigration lawyer.

That’s phase two.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:21:47pm

re: #120 DodgerFan1988

Geraldine

@everywhereist
Hey @Twitter is there a way to instantly block people who use “illegals” as a noun? Because if that’s how they refer to undocumented immigrants, I’m gonna take a wild guess that maybe I don’t want to hear what else they have to say.

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2:54 PM - Dec 12, 2018

The word “illegals” is always a noun (unless it’s a typo). So can you just block any statement that includes that word?

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:22:35pm

re: #107 lawhawk

Further discussion why the DOJ guidelines against indictment of a sitting president fails to be persuasive. It relies heavily on equitable tolling to allow prosecutors the chance to go after a president for crimes that may have a statute of limitations that has run.

Say T commits crime X occurred in 2015 and has a 3 year time limit. T is president from 2017 to 2021. That would mean per the statute of limitations T can’t be charged - the statute of limitations has run.

Equitable tolling is a legal theory that would extend the SOL to a point where T could face justice.

The problem with this is that equitable tolling is speculative, hasn’t been tested either, and there’s even less justification for it under the law than indicting a sitting president.

There’s no reason to give the president immunity from criminal charges while sitting as president. None. The position isn’t above the law, and criminal charges are serious and can involve high crimes.

The only valid argument I can think of for some sort of limited immunity is that because the constitution vests the executive power in the president alone, he would technically be sitting on both sides of the proverbial “v” in US v Trump, a criminal action. Yes, by practice and tradition, we have created some independence for the DOJ, but at the end of the day, the AG, the US Attorneys handling the case, and everyone else answers to the president, and they serve at the pleasure of the president. He could, in theory, call them into the Oval Office, and give them specific instructions on what evidence they could produce and what witnesses they could call.

That’s why Hamilton in the Federalist Papers suggests that impeachment should come first.

That said, if the president is indicted, that should immediately trigger the 25th Amendment. But that’s still ultimately a political choice by the President or the VP/Cabinet. This probably ends with a new Amendment to deal with this scenario - after all, it was Wilson’s stroke and then Kennedy’s assassination that led to the 25th being ratified.

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MsJ  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:22:48pm

Congratulations, Theresa May. You won.

Now what?

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:25:56pm

re: #101 KGxvi

Per wikipedia, by 2015, 86% of Vietnamese immigrants who were eligible to become citizens have been naturalized. So, I’m not entirely sure how many people they’ll actually be able to deport.

Also, fuck Trump

They will pour over their documentation looking for any reason to revoke said naturalization. Will also look for any violation of the law before they were naturalized as well to find a reason to deport them. We have seen this with the Hispanic community. Hell, given this administration, I wouldn’t put it past them to exhume the dead for deportation.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:27:22pm

re: #127 MsJ

Congratulations, Theresa May. You won.

Now what?

Next stop: General election. My guess would be after the EU deal flops in Parliament. The DUP has made clear they’re not happy, either with the deal or with May, and could find enough common ground with Labour to push for a no-confidence vote in the current gov’t.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:27:23pm

re: #128 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

They will pour over their documentation looking for any reason to revoke said naturalization. Will also look for any violation of the law before they were naturalized as well to find a reason to deport them. We have seen this with the Hispanic community. Hell, given this administration, I wouldn’t put it past them to exhume the dead for deportation.

IIRC, they’ve already lost at least one case because it was after a five year window. That would put a huge block up.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:28:29pm

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump supporters are already revolting

and deplorably so

They have always smelled that way.

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:28:58pm

re: #119 Teddy’s Person

And nothing to stop someone else from committing crimes to get elected if what they do in office still stands (martyrs for the cause so to speak). To me, it’s a big flaw in our system that I never considered before. I always put too much trust in that checks and balances thing.

There are some things that can be done. One has to do with the Electoral College - assuming it sticks around - and that would be convincing states that electors should not always be bound by the vote. That seems anti-democratic, but if the crimes are discovered between election day and the day the electors meet, the EC could save us by voting for someone else.

There’s also the political reality. If Trump is impeached and removed, Pence is likely to replace his entire cabinet. And any VP coming into the office under these circumstances is going to likely be politically curtailed. Congress could also act to roll back some of the actions taken - there’s the Congressional Review Act, for example.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:30:50pm

re: #123 Belafon

Any time I see these things, I think of the coworker whose a naturalized citizen from Vietnam who voted for Trump.

Yep…someone said this before but it’s a huge streak of anti-Communism/pro-Capitalism. At least that’s what I’ve seen in the older generation around me. Younger seems to be in line with other Americans the same age.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:30:53pm

re: #127 MsJ

Congratulations, Theresa May. You won.

Now what?

Worst possible outcome because she has no real power and will not be able to either push through the agreement she has or negotiate a different out. The only happy person tonight is Vladimir Vladimirovich…

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Alephnaught  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:31:09pm

So, the UK PM survived a vote of confidence amongst her own Parliamentary MPs, but not quite exactly enough for a genuinely confident margin. 200 versus 117. 117 is quite an amount against, and suggests at dwindling support, reminiscent of when Margret Thatcher was ousted from PM. Hence my tweet:

And, surprise. Jacob Rees-Mong says:

Granted, he’s saying this to utter hack Andrew Neil, but the BBC seem to treat either seriously…

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:36:57pm

I say Jacob Rees-Mogg should pick a name and stick to it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:37:48pm

Re: The Trump “revolt”

On further reflection, it is possible that the 3 or 4 days of riotous celebration that followed a Trump impeachment and conviction would qualify as a “revolt,” especially to Faux news viewers and other authoritarians.
It would be as though every city, town, and hamlet had won the Super Bowl and the World Series simultaneously.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:38:39pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:40:32pm

re: #86 jaunte

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Deport Vietnamese refugees? Fuck Trump and his evil gang with a red hot M-60 barrel.

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steve_davis  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:41:12pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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meanwhile, i just watched a cockroach crawl up my stemmed wine glass, turn as I yelled at him to stick a tongue out at me while wiggling a couple of arms around, and then dive bomb into my glass of red wine. have no idea what that was about. suicide based on existential principles?

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ericblair  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:41:16pm

re: #132 KGxvi

There are some things that can be done. One has to do with the Electoral College - assuming it sticks around - and that would be convincing states that electors should not always be bound by the vote. That seems anti-democratic, but if the crimes are discovered between election day and the day the electors meet, the EC could save us by voting for someone else.

The Electoral College is worse than useless, and I can’t possibly see this happening. The problem is that the electors are essentially nobodies who won’t buck the insane political pressure against nullification for any good reason, but can screw with the margins if they happen to be political kooks. We had Trump, obviously unfit, and guess what: the only faithless electors were “ours”, put there by a non-Democrat and ending up voting for non-politicians and fucking Republicans.

The President is not a king, and the Justice Department is not part of his body. He’s the manager of a large bureaucracy elected by the organization’s stakeholders, and should be convicted and removed from his post if he has committed crimes like anybody else.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:42:27pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Shep and Napolitano get together, have joint moment of sanity:

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The smarter rats are jumping overboard before the flood becomes obvious.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:43:08pm

re: #139 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Deport Vietnamese refugees? Fuck Trump and his evil gang with a red hot M-60 barrel.

Congratulations, that’s the first good use I’ve ever heard for one of those goddamn abominations of an MG… :D

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steve_davis  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:43:09pm

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He can tell his prison cellmates all about Donny and Stormy…

updinging back to neutral, because I have absolutely no idea how anything in this statement suggests anything about prison rape.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:44:11pm

re: #144 steve_davis

updinging back to neutral, because I have absolutely no idea how anything in this statement suggests anything about prison rape.

It did before it was edited.

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steve_davis  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:44:23pm

re: #15 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I did, you are right, not funny even if…well…

still not funny

did it get edited? I’m not seeing anything remotely problematic there. He will certainly have a roommate in prison. that’s hardly provocative.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:47:47pm

re: #139 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Deport Vietnamese refugees? Fuck Trump and his evil gang with a red hot M-60 barrel.

Are we still determined to stick it to the Hmong?

The Snake-Eaters and the Yards
The Vietnamese tribesmen who fought alongside American Special Forces won the Green Berets’ admiration—and lost everything else.

slate.com

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:53:35pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:55:38pm

re: #130 Belafon

IIRC, they’ve already lost at least one case because it was after a five year window. That would put a huge block up.

Doesn’t mean they wont try again, and again, and again until they succeed

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 1:58:09pm

re: #146 steve_davis

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:00:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:03:05pm

hahahahahahaha

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:03:19pm

re: #151 Dave In Austin

What’s happening in France will look like childs play if the deep state tries to undo the 2016 election by MANUFACTURING a way to remove @realDonaldTrump before 2020.
They are underestimating the resolve of Trump’s supporters. Like in France, people will only put up with so much.

There will be blood, no doubt. Too many enraged people ready to take it out on “enemies of the state”; real and imagined, foreign (of birth or heritage) but mostly domestic.

And it will be a media clusterf*ck of major proportions and America’s functioning government will be rendered ineffective for a very long period.

Lots of people are licking their chops over this, and all for the wrong reasons.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:04:28pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:04:58pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahaha

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Translation: “No fucking way I’m giving up this job.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:05:01pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahaha

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Hot potato, hot potato…

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:05:58pm

re: #154 gocart mozart

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“You must hate white men” is gonna come as a shock to a lot of Jews.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:06:28pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:06:42pm

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Dr. Matt  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:07:31pm

Just realized today is my 6 year anniversary since join the Lizarddom (Registered since: Dec 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm). Time certainly does fly. The first thread I commented on was when Fox Nazi Steven Crowder was [hilariously] punched in the face for inciting a “riot” against Union Workers in Michigan.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:08:09pm

re: #160 Dr. Matt

Just realized today is my 6 year anniversary since join the Lizarddom (Registered since: Dec 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm). Time certainly does fly. The first thread I commented on was when Fox Nazi Steven Crowder was [hilariously] punched in the face for inciting a “riot” against against Union Workers in Michigan.

6 years a lizard…and that Soros check still hasn’t shown up, has it?

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:08:11pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:08:25pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I know the President has a long list of tremendous candidates for his next Chief of Staff, and whomever it is will have my total support moving forward”

Rat Declines Onboarding Opportunity

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Dr. Matt  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:10:26pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

6 years a lizard…and that Soros check still hasn’t shown up, has it?

//

Fuckn’ a it hasn’t.

AND I’ve been shining my jackboots every day for that cushy FEMA guard tower job.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:12:23pm

Morons like Coulter can’t think in any terms but hate, so of course she can only make sense of DNC membership in terms of who they hate. The idea that a party can have unifying ideals outside of “We hate (insert group/idea)” is simply impossible to comprehend.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:13:15pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

MrFlair is easily impressed:

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Dr. Matt  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:14:19pm

Michael Cohen is losing three years of his life because he dedicated himself to one of the most vile, disgusting, and immoral characters to ever hold political office in US history. I really don’t feel sorry for him. And I have difficulty feeling sorry for his wife and kids even though it’s not their fault…..well, maybe I feel sorry for the kids. You don’t get to pick your parents.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:15:15pm
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DodgerFan1988  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:17:42pm

re: #86 jaunte

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What “Anti-Communist” Republican in their right mind, can support this? They do know “re-education camps” are awaiting those Vienamese refugees, once they are deported. What the fuck is next? Deporting Cuban refugees who fled Castro’s terror? Fucking scumbags! Everyone in the Trump Admin and GOP.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:21:04pm

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There will be blood, no doubt. Too many enraged people ready to take it out on “enemies of the state”; real and imagined, foreign (of birth or heritage) but mostly domestic.

And it will be a media clusterf*ck of major proportions and America’s functioning government will be rendered ineffective for a very long period.

Lots of people are licking their chops over this, and all for the wrong reasons.

We’ve seen the resolve of the heavily invested Trump supporter, showing up in packs of a dozen to protest. Yes, they hide behind their guns, and a few get violent, but those tend to make the less resolved Trump supporters squeamish.

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nines09  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:21:35pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gives me seven more years if I stay on the Keith Plan.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:22:08pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’ll be dead in a month.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:22:20pm

re: #154 gocart mozart

Is it ok if this white man hates approximately 60% of other white men?

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:24:30pm

re: #172 Targetpractice

He’ll be dead in a month.

Naaah, those private prisons need someone to help with the books.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:25:09pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

MrFlair is easily impressed:

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All the hot takes I’ve seen saying Trump “won” boil down to the same thing: “His base loves this shit.” Sorry, but again, we proved last month that his base isn’t enough to win elections on their own anymore.

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Broad With Sass  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:26:29pm

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

our kids had some fever and sniffles as well

and certainly a matter of concern

but still mild compared to the diseases they help prevent

Not just the littles…after shingles became an issue at the ALF I work at, I got my shingles vaccines. It’s a two shot procedure. First round was ok, second one put me flat on my back with a 102* fever for days

No matter how bad it was it’s worth not getting a full blown case of shingles.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:26:47pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Got a big tour coming up. Ronnie is sober (supposedly) and Mick’s probably sick of putting up with Keith’s on and off performances.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:26:50pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:26:58pm

re: #169 DodgerFan1988

What “Anti-Communist” Republican in their right mind, can support this?

When racism outweighs anti-communism.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:28:34pm
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DodgerFan1988  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:28:53pm

re: #179 jaunte

When racism outweighs anti-communism.

This is about White Nationalism, plain and simple. Any Conservative tells you otherwise are lying through their motherfucking teeth.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:29:49pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:30:13pm

Is DanaMaGuns shilling for Careerbuilder now? I could swear it was her on their new add.

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MsJ  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:33:15pm

re: #140 steve_davis

meanwhile, i just watched a cockroach crawl up my stemmed wine glass, turn as I yelled at him to stick a tongue out at me while wiggling a couple of arms around, and then dive bomb into my glass of red wine. have no idea what that was about. suicide based on existential principles?

Yikes! Let him swim… And get a new glass for yourself.

You know, they can survive a nuclear blast, right? That wasn’t suicide, it was PARTY TIME!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:33:59pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:35:01pm

re: #5 KGxvi

Yeah, the only president to never break 50% approval, the people are definitely going to revolt if he’s impeached. Yup, definitely.

The people that support him are already pretty revolting.

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nines09  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:36:02pm

re: #140 steve_davis

meanwhile, i just watched a cockroach crawl up my stemmed wine glass, turn as I yelled at him to stick a tongue out at me while wiggling a couple of arms around, and then dive bomb into my glass of red wine. have no idea what that was about. suicide based on existential principles?

So you like the trashy joints too?

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sagehen  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:36:28pm

re: #117 Hecuba’s daughter

Unless the judges themselves commit an impeachable offense in office, how could they be legally removed? It’s not political will at that point but legal remedies.

Kavanaugh committed perjury a bunch of times in his confirmation hearings; any reasonably objective investigation would prove that.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:37:09pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

I’ve been here since 2001 and yet to see a single damned Soros check. No direct deposit. Nothing. What does a guy have to do around here to get that sweet Soros shekels? 300,000 karma? Oh wait, I did that too. ////////////////////

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:38:17pm

re: #189 lawhawk

I’ve been here since 2001 and yet to see a single damned Soros check. No direct deposit. Nothing. What does a guy have to do around here to get that sweet Soros shekels? 300,000 karma? Oh wait, I did that too. ////////////////////

I’m sorry, but the Soros checks are only available to those of us who have made it to salary grade 66 in the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy organization.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:38:44pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:40:25pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Jesus and I are not nearly good enough friends for him to give me the early Christmas gift of WHCoS Newt Gingrich.

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:40:49pm

re: #169 DodgerFan1988

What “Anti-Communist” Republican in their right mind, can support this? They do know “re-education camps” are awaiting those Vienamese refugees, once they are deported. What the fuck is next? Deporting Cuban refugees who fled Castro’s terror? Fucking scumbags! Everyone in the Trump Admin and GOP.

Was just thinking, my mom acquired her citizenship via derivative citizenship, when my grandparents naturalized, she was automatically granted citizenship due to her age. There might be a whole lot of people who acquired citizenship that way that could get royally fucked by these actions.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:41:23pm

re: #178 Dave In Austin

Butina is about to cop a plea for being a spy and here we have Clarke and NRA bigwigs cozying up to her for Russian rubles.

Clarke didn’t care about who he worked with so long as they defeated Clinton and Democrats. They aren’t patriots. They’re traitors to the United States - conspiring with foreign entities to undermine the outcome of our elections.

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:41:43pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Jesus and I are not nearly good enough friends for him to give me the early Christmas gift of WHCoS Newt Gingrich.

Let’s be honest, wrong deity. This seems more like a Yuletide gift from Loki.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:43:04pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Newt Gingrich spotted today at the White House. Ladies and gentlemen, chief of staff - Plan C.

Speaking of cockroaches….

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:43:20pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Jesus and I are not nearly good enough friends for him to give me the early Christmas gift of WHCoS Newt Gingrich.

Mmm, nope, that one’s for me.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:43:55pm

Chuck Todd called the wall by the perfect name today. “The Vanity Project” I will call it that forever.

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:44:00pm

re: #190 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Buddy, I’m GS-666… ////

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:44:36pm

re: #199 lawhawk

Buddy, I’m GS-666… ////

Wait, they go up that high? Geez, what’s a fish gotta do to get promoted around here?

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plansbandc  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:47:04pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had to read this like 5 times because my brain wouldn’t process it. What in the blithering fuck?

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:48:32pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:49:39pm

re: #200 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wait, they go up that high? Geez, what’s a fish gotta do to get promoted around here?

Take the bait; same as always.

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prairiefire  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:50:08pm

Dominoes are falling! The National Enquirer owner asshole, after Pelosi yesterday? Fuget abouuuuut iiiit! I did not know fat stupid white old men could be so gangster!

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prairiefire  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:50:48pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

That’s fucking heartbreaking.

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MsJ  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:51:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:52:12pm
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TedStriker  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:52:22pm

re: #174 Belafon

Naaah, those private prisons need someone to help with the books.

Red: “The first night’s the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in naked as the day you were born, skin burning and half blind from that delousing shit they throw on you, and when they put you in that cell, when those bars slam home, that’s when you know it’s for real. A whole life blown away in the blink of an eye. Nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. Most new fish come close to madness the first night. Somebody always breaks down crying. Happens every time. The only question is, who’s it gonna be? It’s as good a thing to bet on as any, I guess. I had my money on Andy Dufresne Michael Cohen. I remember my first night. Seems like a long time ago.”

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mmmirele  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:52:26pm

Apparently Cardinal George Pell was convicted of child sexual abuse in Australia.

catholicnewsagency.com

However, due to a publication ban in Australia, his name cannot be mentioned in the Australian press, see this article.

theage.com.au

Even the Daily Fail, which apparently has an Aussie edition, cannot mention his name.

I have no problem mentioning that apparently a court in Australia found Cardinal George Pell guilty of child sexual abuse. None freaking whatsoever. Tired of protecting these pedos.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:52:33pm

re: #205 prairiefire

It’s satire.

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prairiefire  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:53:10pm

re: #210 teleskiguy

It’s satire.

I swear to dog that about gave me a heart attack.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:53:56pm

Great NPR interview with Jacob Collier live right now.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:54:17pm

In the Trump Is President timeline, a sloth harvest program seems quite likely.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:54:38pm

TrolLOL.

Instagram

Four years ago today: I’ll admit that I miss seeing the White House during the Christmas season. (I miss the Christmas cookies, too.) 😎

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:55:39pm

Roy Moore misses the action.

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CleverToad  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:56:11pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that a lot of parents are put off by these mild side effects.

I recall going to a baby swimming course with a neighbor. Part of the course involved ducking the baby’s head underwater for a few seconds jut to get it used to the feeling.

The neighbor could not bring herself to do it…because she felt she was somehow hurting the baby or causing it discomfort. Even though it was helping the kid to learn something that might save its life some day.

That must be much the same mentality.

Late comment, but agree.
Back when there were open hearths and fireplaces in every house, mothers would often deliberately let a toddler touch a hot coal or kindling — briefly! — to scare them with a small scorch before they got a major burn from playing too close to the open flames. Hard but might save a little one’s life. I remember my grandmother talking about it once, and remember reading a kids’ historical where the baby died because the mother couldn’t bring herself to do that (Calico Bush, Rachel Fields).
The vaccine debate reminds me of that.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:56:44pm

re: #213 jaunte

In the Trump Is President timeline, a sloth harvest program seems quite likely.

Grade A Juche!

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prairiefire  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:57:33pm

re: #213 jaunte

In the Trump Is President timeline, a sloth harvest program seems quite likely.

The Australian government slaughters colonies of flying foxes.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 2:59:29pm

This happened to me once, in the late 90s. Sat on that damn chair about 40 feet in the air for almost three hours, froze my ass off.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:00:48pm

re: #218 prairiefire

“…Flying foxes primarily migrate along the East coast of Australia — moving in entire camps or colonies as native food comes into season. They have done this for thousands of years — but over time, these colonies are being surrounded by human development, with locals complaining of the noise and smell, and netting their trees. Sadly, flying foxes are no match for developers, or councils responding to angered communities.”
animalsaustralia.org

This sounds like my neighbors wanting to trap or shoot coyotes, thinking that will scare them away from the neighborhood.

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MsJ  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:01:37pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

That was exactly my view. Where one woman is serving 8 years for voting because she had the reading comprehension of a 4th grader and another is serving 51 years for killing her rapist.

Fuck Cohen. I’d have given him at least 10 years.

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:03:32pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

Michael Cohen giving Congressional testimony in an orange jumpsuit is peak 2019 in 2018.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:03:48pm
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MsJ  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:04:13pm

re: #205 prairiefire

That’s fucking heartbreaking.

Thank God that’s a parody account.

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:04:51pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:07:35pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

“Think Trump’ll find us out here?”
“Nope.”
“I’ll take it.”

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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:08:37pm

re: #215 jaunte

They’re citing the Restatement of Contracts in opposition to a federal motion. That is the argument that they lead with. That is… less than good lawyering.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:08:37pm

Meanwhile over in wingnut la la land…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:09:35pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

Meanwhile over in wingnut la la land…

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He has no idea how criminal investigations work.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:09:46pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

It’s amazing that they can begin every morning with a fresh new brain, untouched by the events of the past.

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TedStriker  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:12:39pm

re: #230 jaunte

It’s amazing that they can begin every morning with a fresh new brain, untouched by the events of the past.

And where all uncomfortable facts have drained out of their heads into the pillows.

It’s easy for sociopaths to sleep easy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:12:49pm

re: #221 MsJ

That was exactly my view. Where one woman is serving 8 years for voting because she had the reading comprehension of a 4th grader and another is serving 51 years for killing her rapist.

Fuck Cohen. I’d have given him at least 10 years.

and he gets to wait until March before showing up at prison.
such a deal!

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Jay C  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:14:54pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

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“I’m sorry, Mr. President: these were the coordinates for the rally that we were given….”

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:15:13pm

On the Tennessee GOP doctor who vows to look into vaccines and autism, someone somewhere made the correct point that this is not a monopoly wingnut position. Might be even more representative of the activist-parent left.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:15:21pm
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MsJ  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:21:47pm

I really hate this horrible woman.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:22:38pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:22:54pm

re: #236 MsJ

I really hate this horrible woman.

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Her measure of “knowing about things” is directly tied to personal wealth, I’m sure.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:24:32pm

It’s gonna snow in Texas?!?

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lawhawk  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:24:48pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:27:39pm

Titmouse

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:30:42pm
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dangerman  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:30:47pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Right wing Twitter is now in full-on whataboutobama mode, distorting the hell out of anything they can find from Obama’s presidency to make it look like he’s as bad as Trump.

“As bad as Trump” is an interesting defense.

facts are stubborn things
and the left side has to be updated
i uploaded this all of two weeks ago

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:31:43pm

re: #159 GlutenFreeJesus

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Dude. Where is this photo from? Are they posing around that lone little hashpipe as some kind of an ironic statement of how ridiculous it now is to try to criminalize “drup paraphernalia” - when any stoner worth their weed can go all McGyver and made a bong out of an apple?

Or, in the case of the roadies for Anthrax that lived down the hall from me, out of the hoses and parts for a 3.5HP Wet/Dry Shop-Vac.

Fuckers left it running for an extra 30 seconds and the mushroom cloud of smoke got my cat so paranoid he wouldn’t come out from the drawer in my filing cabinet.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:32:26pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:32:47pm

re: #244 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Half Baked - MacGyver Smoker

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:35:41pm

re: #215 jaunte

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Roy Moore misses the action.

I was wondering if Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who is suing CNN for 300 Mil, is also using the Larry Klayman law firm.

He must be the Wingnut Lawyer Supreme.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:35:53pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Jesus and I are not nearly good enough friends for him to give me the early Christmas gift of WHCoS Newt Gingrich.

Oh, that would be so goddam sweet I’d immediately suffer Type 2 Diabeetus.

Gingrich would go full-on batshit; try to steal the entire DoD budget to build himself a Moonbase, while convincing Donnie Dumbass that the moon represents the greatest real-estate development project in history.

That mean little shit would be hissing and lashing out in ways that would make Mitch McConnell squirm right out of his turtle shell.

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prairiefire  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:36:29pm

re: #220 jaunte

This sounds like my neighbors wanting to trap or shoot coyotes, thinking that will scare them away from the neighborhood.

They’ve got to have these guys. They are skeeter Hoover’s. They do carry a particularly nasty bacterium (?). So their bites and sketches can be toxic. Mainly when someone is jacking with them, they are super gentle. So they have volunteer rescue squads who are vaccinated and go out and get em, take them to a sactuary. They run into poles and such. Quite a few concussions. They are a mammal, the
Isle of White bat sactuary accepts human milk to help feed all the pups, carayrayz.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:38:43pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

Meanwhile over in wingnut la la land…

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Thursday: Mueller personally hands Mitchell his indictment.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:39:54pm

I’m really puzzled by this conservative talking point that Flynn was duped into lying because he didn’t have his lawyer with him and it wasn’t announced as a criminal investigation. Did he think FBI came by to shoot the shit about how he might have broken the law? (And yes, I know that he should have known anyway from his lengthy background in service and intel.) But that is some exceptional grasping at straws.

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dangerman  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:40:41pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

I think part of the problem with parents that are younger than the boomers is they benefited from the fight against all the illnesses that were part of life for the boomers parents. Those parents of the 40s and 50s were very aware of child illnesses because they had to deal with them and that means both deaths of young children and the effects of some of the diseases that left their kids scarred for life.

Vaccines made the world safer to the point where apparently younger parents do not see the illnesses and the effects of those illnesses today so they start to forget how important vaccines were and are.

What do they hear now? Bullshit on TV and on the net and in social media about dangers of vaccines and their supposed link to autism.

They see autism and that is now their enemy…not all the illnesses vaccines fought off.

I guess everyone is going to learn the hard way. The illnesses will come back, probably stronger and the whole cycle will start over again.

By the way, I am not a parent and don’t know a lot of younger parents anymore.

I am thinking there are children that haven’t been vaccinated yet still have been diagnosed Autistic. But I don’t know for sure. Does anyone know if anyone is keeping count of Autistic children that haven’t gone through the vaccines compared to children that were vaccinated and are Autistic?

Or, does that not get around because it is not the current take on vaccines and Autism?

it’s called a ‘comfort trap’

Q: nothing ever goes wrong so why do we gotta keep doing all this stuff?

A: we keep doing it this way because nothing goes wrong when we do

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:42:04pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:44:44pm

re: #247 ObserverArt

I was wondering if Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who is suing CNN for 300 Mil, is also using the Larry Klayman law firm.

He must be the Wingnut Lawyer Supreme.

Yeah, becuase he’s the only one who won’t laugh these morons out of his office.

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dangerman  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:45:47pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

That (IMHO) is why the DOJ “guideline” is ridiculous. A sitting president should not be immune from the law simply because he’s popular enough or his party has enough votes to prevent his removal from office. That’s a ridiculous legal standard to operate under, as it perverts our justice system from one of “beyond reasonable doubt” to “too big to fail.”

from electoral-vote.com this AM:

the Supreme Court has already established, in Clinton v. Jones, that a president is not immune from civil lawsuits. Does it really make sense that the president is subject to civil law, but not criminal law? The second issue is that most federal crimes carry a five-year statute of limitations. That would theoretically mean that a president who is re-elected is almost entirely not subject to federal criminal law for the first three years of his term, unless he commits a really big crime with a longer limit (like treason or murder). Surely nobody would argue that the president is above most federal laws, especially for only the first 37.5% of his term.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:47:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:50:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:50:29pm
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dangerman  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:58:51pm

re: #230 jaunte

It’s amazing that they can begin every morning with a fresh new brain, untouched by the events of the past.

if i remember the book correctly, The Sirens of Titan (vonnegut)
malachai constant / “Unk”

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2018 • 3:59:13pm

I’m gonna need this in extra-large.

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darthstar  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:00:58pm

re: #160 Dr. Matt

Just realized today is my 6 year anniversary since join the Lizarddom (Registered since: Dec 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm). Time certainly does fly. The first thread I commented on was when Fox Nazi Steven Crowder was [hilariously] punched in the face for inciting a “riot” against Union Workers in Michigan.

Happy anniversary - just turned 9 myself on Dec 2.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:03:12pm

re: #261 darthstar

Happy anniversary - just turned 9 myself on Dec 2.

I’ve been here 8 1/2 years now (joined June 2010)

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:04:07pm

re: #261 darthstar

Happy anniversary - just turned 9 myself on Dec 2.

I will be 9 in 20 days.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:10:47pm

re: #263 Single-handed sailor

I will be 9 in 20 days.

Hard to believe, but I’m a couple of months past 12.

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MsJ  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:13:51pm

Jennifer fucking Rubin a Pelosi fan.

Fuck me. They’re better be a special place in hell for these fuckers who spent years lying about Democrats, encouraged conspiracy theories, etc. who’ve suddenly seen the light.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:14:31pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Unindicted coconspirator” actually means “they did bad stuff too, we just don’t have enough of a case at the current moment to nail his or her ass to the wall.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:17:40pm

re: #169 DodgerFan1988

What “Anti-Communist” Republican in their right mind, can support this? They do know “re-education camps” are awaiting those Vienamese refugees, once they are deported. What the fuck is next? Deporting Cuban refugees who fled Castro’s terror? Fucking scumbags! Everyone in the Trump Admin and GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:19:25pm

i dont care, do u?

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MsJ  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:23:08pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope. Not for or about either of them.

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geosherman  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:23:32pm

I am but a lurker and a clicker of comments that educate or entertain me. I have been here 9 years (as of last week). My karma lags behind the large number of updings I have added over the years and that is fine with me. Thank you to all the regulars for making this my favorite site on the web

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:31:19pm
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darthstar  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:34:13pm

re: #264 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Hard to believe, but I’m a couple of months past 12.

You go back to wing nut days.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:39:15pm

re: #272 darthstar

You go back to wing nut days.

I do, and the part that amuses me about it is that I was actually on the road to recovery from being a wingnut when I came here. So while I hung out with many of the infamous wingnuts, I actually found myself increasingly put off by them.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:44:11pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

No.

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wrenchwench  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:45:07pm

re: #273 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I do, and the part that amuses me about it is that I was actually on the road to recovery from being a wingnut when I came here. So while I hung out with many of the infamous wingnuts, I actually found myself increasingly put off by them.

You must have set your browser to accept cookies. Those were the bait. Then the pies…

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:45:32pm

re: #160 Dr. Matt

I turned 8 on Dec. 5. You guys have no idea how you’ve helped me retain my sanity.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:48:04pm

Not shocked

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:48:06pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:50:24pm

re: #277 bd(Redacted)

It’s the grift that keeps on regrifting.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 4:50:54pm

re: #277 bd(Redacted)

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Not shocked

The gift was not integrity, I’m assuming.

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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:02:06pm

I’m just a baby. Lurked for the obligatory few years, of course, before registering.

Registered since: Jul 8, 2014 at 1:54 pm
No. of comments posted: 6,840
Karma: 20,601

But you folks do — all — keep me sane.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:03:05pm

re: #280 Barefoot Grin

The gift was not integrity, I’m assuming.

It was some monogrammed crap, they share the same initials so Donald dumps all the crap he doesn’t like on to his son.

It’s doubly insulting and beautiful.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:04:24pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:05:04pm

re: #282 bd(Redacted)

It was some monogrammed crap, they share the same initials so Donald dumps all the crap he doesn’t like on to his son.

It’s doubly insulting and beautiful.

Like punching him in his dorm room for not wearing a suit to go to a baseball game.

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ThomasLite  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:05:28pm

re: #227 KGxvi

They’re citing the Restatement of Contracts in opposition to a federal motion. That is the argument that they lead with. That is… less than good lawyering.

OK. Sooo. the horribly overblown style kind of gives away the kookishness even if you don’t exactly litigate American contract law on a daily basis. With you so far.
Question though - it seems as if they (=SBC et al) entered into that agreement as an entirely fictitious entity. It used to be my understanding that if you didn’t use either your actual name (or something close enough to be reasonably understood as equivalent), a DBA, or the name (of a representative of) some actual legal entity a contract would be likely to be held to be unenforceable?
(Now the Trump/Stormy matter of course gave us that nifty sideletter to identify parties as a third option, but you could just as easily argue reading that as part of the agreement just moves the signature around a little bit).

I took it as implied that a party should be able to rely on the identity of the other party and not have to guess if it’s some shady other entity behind the whole thing (from a continental European perspective, your relatively strict limitations on third party rights under contracts kind of seems to point in a similar, if not same direction).

Thing is, Moore alleges the entity they signed as doesn’t exist at all.
Don’t they actually have a bit of a point the choice of venue clause might well be unenforceable along with the rest of the agreement? Not really up to snuff on federal civil procedure either, but I’d suspect you’d be able to argue that as part of a motion to transfer somehow?

Don’t get me wrong, the whole motion sets off all kinds of alarm bells, not disagreeing with you on that - just not seeing how he’s obviously wrong quite yet.

It’s way past my bedtime here already so it’ll take me until tomorrow to respond but I’d really like to know what I’m missing :)

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:06:22pm

re: #284 Barefoot Grin

Like punching him in his dorm room for not wearing a suit to go to a baseball game.

The biggest insult is yet to come, not pardoning his own son.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:11:31pm

re: #284 Barefoot Grin

re: #286 bd(Redacted)

If I recall the story correctly DT punched his son for being drunk and not ready when DT picked him up for a game. At least that is how a roommate described the incident.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:17:40pm
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:18:06pm

PIMF

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:18:17pm

PIMF

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:19:53pm
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fern01  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:20:46pm

re: #9 Flying Squirrel Girl

*sigh*

One more time, with feeling: Prison rape jokes are still not funny.

worth repeating

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:24:11pm

good grief

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:25:19pm

re: #288 Single-handed sailor

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Tulsi will divide the Bernie vote

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:26:37pm

re: #294 bd(Redacted)

Tulsi will divide the Bernie vote

That’s good, right??

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:30:48pm

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:30:52pm

re: #295 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s good, right??

Very much so

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:34:00pm

*DROOL*

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:35:04pm

re: #296 Patricia Kayden

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lol, now that’s funny

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:38:39pm

Anyone else worried there may too many Democratic candidates to begin the whole nomination process?

I am.

6 would be nice…not more. I worry it will turn into a mess and be too split up and no one becomes a strong clear leader. And then when it comes to the actual election there is rancor in the party and it hurts the vote.

Republicans and Media feed on any form of controversy and blow it up way beyond reality.

Oh well…I guess it will be whatever it will be.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:41:43pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:42:39pm

re: #298 teleskiguy

*DROOL*

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What is that to the skier’s left? Looks like a hole/depression of some kind.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:42:47pm

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:44:35pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lissandra Villa

@LissandraVilla
Pelosi’s statement on term-limits deal, noting above this that she made clear she sees herself as “a bridge to the next generation of leaders.”

44
5:16 PM - Dec 12, 2018

I’m not a big fan of any type of term limits on legislators. After all, that was the ploy Gingrich successfully invoked to defeat Democrats in the 1994 revolution; of course, once the GOP were seated, they casually ignored their commitment. I realize this is a somewhat different situation, but I wonder how much is due to men being unhappy with having a woman speaker. Being a successful legislator also requires experience and knowledge gained through experience; I’m wondering if this approach will lead to too many committee chairs who, like their GOP counterparts, don’t understand their roles or the issues.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:44:41pm

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

That is because Justin has a functioning brain. DT does not have one.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:46:26pm

re: #302 ObserverArt

What is that to the skier’s left? Looks like a hole/depression of some kind.

It’s a small cliff, buried in snow.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:47:46pm

I’ve seen cliff bands get completely buried, they turn into very steep pitches you can ski!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:47:48pm

re: #305 PhillyPretzel

That is because Justin has a functioning brain. DT does not have one.

Also because POS45’s Wall, as Nancy so correctly noted, is just a vanity monument to himself and has nothing to do with “border security”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:49:47pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Lot of those skeletons around the country. The 87th largest city in the country is named for an otherwise obscure figure who was regarded as a “very worthy and zealous” advocate of the expansion of slavery, even by the standards of the antebellum south. His name? Thomas Saltus Lubbock.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:50:11pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:52:30pm

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

Yes. I cannot wait until she is sworn in as Speaker of the House. The Nation needs her.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:56:05pm
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KGxvi  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:57:49pm

re: #285 ThomasLite

OK. Sooo. the horribly overblown style kind of gives away the kookishness even if you don’t exactly litigate American contract law on a daily basis. With you so far.
Question though - it seems as if they (=SBC et al) entered into that agreement as an entirely fictitious entity. It used to be my understanding that if you didn’t use either your actual name (or something close enough to be reasonably understood as equivalent), a DBA, or the name (of a representative of) some actual legal entity a contract would be likely to be held to be unenforceable?
(Now the Trump/Stormy matter of course gave us that nifty sideletter to identify parties as a third option, but you could just as easily argue reading that as part of the agreement just moves the signature around a little bit).

I took it as implied that a party should be able to rely on the identity of the other party and not have to guess if it’s some shady other entity behind the whole thing (from a continental European perspective, your relatively strict limitations on third party rights under contracts kind of seems to point in a similar, if not same direction).

Thing is, Moore alleges the entity they signed as doesn’t exist at all.
Don’t they actually have a bit of a point the choice of venue clause might well be unenforceable along with the rest of the agreement? Not really up to snuff on federal civil procedure either, but I’d suspect you’d be able to argue that as part of a motion to transfer somehow?

Don’t get me wrong, the whole motion sets off all kinds of alarm bells, not disagreeing with you on that - just not seeing how he’s obviously wrong quite yet.

It’s way past my bedtime here already so it’ll take me until tomorrow to respond but I’d really like to know what I’m missing :)

To be honest, I’m not entirely sure about the enforceability of the agreement. What I do know is CBS/Viacom have many, many lawyers who handle many, many film/television production contracts. So I suspect that some lawyer(s) signed off on this. Also, someone as “sophisticated” (in the legal sense) as a former State Supreme Court Chief Justice probably should have had a lawyer look over the agreement, and done some research into who he was dealing with.

As for the motion to transfer, the attorneys would have definitely met and conferred on it. And it doesn’t make a lot of sense to be in DC if that’s not where either of the parties are actually located. My guess is that’s going to be more important to the judge than the broader issue of enforceability.

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prairiefire  Dec 12, 2018 • 5:58:54pm

re: #290 Single-handed sailor

Somebody explain her whack a do stance on Syria. I liked her until then.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 12, 2018 • 6:03:32pm

re: #300 ObserverArt

Anyone else worried there may too many Democratic candidates to begin the whole nomination process?

I am.

…..
Oh well…I guess it will be whatever it will be.

Yep — me too. I expressed that concern the other day — that was what led to the nomination of Trump. Too many contestants lead to fractures in the electorate and the likelihood that the best can be drowned out. A single mistake may doom a viable candidate, such as what happened to Dean, especially given the role the media plays in accentuating flaws of those who are not their preferred candidate.


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