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Belafon  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:39:10am

About the National Guard’s origins, according to wikipedia:

Local militias were formed from the earliest English colonization of the Americas in 1607. The first colony-wide militia was formed by Massachusetts in 1636 by merging small older local units, and several National Guard units can be traced back to this militia. The various colonial militias became state militias when the United States became independent. The title “National Guard” was used in 1824 by some New York State militia units, named after the French National Guard in honor of the Marquis de Lafayette. “National Guard” became a standard nationwide militia title in 1903, and specifically indicated reserve forces under mixed state and federal control since 1933.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:47:33am
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Jay C  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:48:19am

re: #1 Belafon

About the National Guard’s origins, according to wikipedia:

Oh. So I take back my comment in #353 last thread.

I mean, Trump is still a fucking moron and all, but I guess somebody in the WH is doing their job and got a boilerplate statement ready for tweeting….

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:49:47am
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Mike Lamb  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:50:06am

Re: Trump’s ludicrous explanation…bottom line is that of they believed everything was kosher, they wouldn’t have gone to such lengths to hide the payments. Period.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:52:41am

re: #5 Mike Lamb

Re: Trump’s ludicrous explanation…bottom line is that of they believed everything was kosher, they wouldn’t have gone to such lengths to hide the payments. Period.

“If you believe the payments were legit then they were legit, no law broken.”

/

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:53:54am

re: #4 lawhawk

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I really hope this is what brings down the NRA once and for all.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:54:10am

Last night, on Maddow, the news coming out of the Trump shirts how was described as a telenovela that we all have to live through.

I disagree. Even the hack writers on telenovelas wouldn’t dare this level of absurdity.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:55:27am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:58:08am

re: #9 jaunte

The statement of offense includes this paragraph explaining that Butina’s efforts were directed toward gaining influence over the Republican Party and Trump.

Nah, it’s Political Party #1. Could be anybody. Who could ever know?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 13, 2018 • 10:59:34am

re: #9 jaunte

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They very carefully analyzed what controls the GOP. Not in order:

Guns
Racism
Fundie religious superstition
Greed

With that as the roadmap, they set out to interdict the GOP’s base of influence upstream.

Evil genius.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:00:16am

What amazes me is none of Butina’s marks ever sat there and thought, “Why would an attractive young Russian girl want to spend all of her time hanging out with us? Because we’re just that irresistible?”

Come on, man.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:01:09am

re: #12 BlueGrl21

I guarantee you the thought never crossed their alleged minds.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:01:36am

re: #1 Belafon

About the National Guard’s origins, according to wikipedia:

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BlueGrl21  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:02:11am

re: #13 jaunte

I guarantee you the thought never crossed their alleged minds.

Nope, never. That requires a bit of humility.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:02:32am

re: #15 BlueGrl21

Wouldn’t be Alpha!

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:02:35am

re: #9 jaunte

Russian spycraft relying on oldies but goodies…

Yeah, that’s Anna Chapman… and she was one the more recent honeypots to try and coopt Americans in key areas of the society to further Russia’s agenda.

It works exceptionally well when the person’s interests mesh with Russia’s - as with the NRA, GOP, and Trump.

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KGxvi  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:02:58am

re: #5 Mike Lamb

Re: Trump’s ludicrous explanation…bottom line is that of they believed everything was kosher, they wouldn’t have gone to such lengths to hide the payments. Period.

It’s a Catch-22 for them. They didn’t want anyone to know about the payments, so they hid everything. Because they knew if the payments were disclosed, reporters would investigate and everything would come out. Which was the opposite of what they wanted to happen, so the only way to hide the story is to also hide the payments. But to knowingly hide the payments is (apparently) a criminal violation of campaign finance law. Compared to the more typical civil violations of campaign finance law where a campaign unintentionally miscategorizes a payment of some sort and later has to change it; or unintentionally authorizes a payment that isn’t allowed under the law.

The big difference here is “knowingly” vs “unknowingly”.

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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:03:32am

re: #13 jaunte

I guarantee you the thought never crossed their alleged minds.

Ah yes…thinking with the wrong head.

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KGxvi  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:06:44am

re: #12 BlueGrl21

What amazes me is none of Butina’s marks ever sat there and thought, “Why would an attractive young Russian girl want to spend all of her time hanging out with us? Because we’re just that irresistible?”

Come on, man.

The human ability convince itself of something it wants to believe is incredibly strong.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:07:05am

Perhaps it might be more cost efficient to build a damned prison ward in the basement of the RNC and NRA, this way the perp walks won’t be that inconvenient. Jesus, there is literally no one in that fucking party who isn’t at least a liar, at most a traitor or maybe worse. There does not seem to be an end to the corruption.

In other news, our houseguests arrived last night and the little one is more adorable than
I was told. Mommy is doing ok, they are out having lunch at McDonalds and finding their way around the neighborhood. I think it’s gonna be ok.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:08:00am

re: #18 KGxvi

It’s a Catch-22 for them. They didn’t want anyone to know about the payments, so they hid everything. Because they knew if the payments were disclosed, reporters would investigate and everything would come out. Which was the opposite of what they wanted to happen, so the only way to hide the story is to also hide the payments. But to knowingly hide the payments is (apparently) a criminal violation of campaign finance law. Compared to the more typical civil violations of campaign finance law where a campaign unintentionally miscategorizes a payment of some sort and later has to change it; or unintentionally authorizes a payment that isn’t allowed under the law.

The big difference here is “knowingly” vs “unknowingly”.

Trump’s actions by and through Cohen (and Trump Org) went several steps further, by creating shell companies, creating phony invoices, and sending payments back and forth to try and claim that these were regular business costs, and not payments to silence those Trump had affairs with. He turned this into a huge money laundering operation because he was repeatedly having affairs with women while married.

That also raises tax implications too, as these business entities had to file tax returns. That’s felony conduct too. And here’s where things get squirrely for Trump. There’s no statute of limitations on tax fraud. The IRS and NYS Division of Tax and Finance (and NYC for that matter) can all go after Trump Org and Trump personally for this.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:09:49am
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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:10:58am

re: #12 BlueGrl21

What amazes me is none of Butina’s marks ever sat there and thought, “Why would an attractive, young Russian girl want to spend all of her time hanging out with us? Because we’re just that irresistible?”

Come on, man.

Also:

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:12:16am

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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…but it just sits there. Harrumph.

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cat-tikvah  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:12:26am

re: #13 jaunte
“So easily led when the little head does the thinking…”

John Hiatt - Little Head

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Jay C  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:13:34am

re: #18 KGxvi

It’s a Catch-22 for them. They didn’t want anyone to know about the payments, so they hid everything. Because they knew if the payments were disclosed, reporters would investigate and everything would come out. Which was the opposite of what they wanted to happen, so the only way to hide the story is to also hide the payments. But to knowingly hide the payments is (apparently) a criminal violation of campaign finance law. Compared to the more typical civil violations of campaign finance law where a campaign unintentionally miscategorizes a payment of some sort and later has to change it; or unintentionally authorizes a payment that isn’t allowed under the law.

The big difference here is “knowingly” vs “unknowingly”.

IOW, the sort of campaign-finance-law violation which, if it had been traced to a Democratic candidate or campaign organization, would be subject to a campaign of shrieking hysteria of ZOMG!! CORRUPTION!!1!!1! LOCK ‘EM UP!!!!1!!11!!, but gets shrugged off by most of the media as SOP for the GOP……

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KGxvi  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:13:35am

re: #24 jaunte

Apparently, not:

John Bolton’s message on Russian gun rights

Blinded by faith, true believers… you know, marks.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:15:21am

re: #28 KGxvi

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KGxvi  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:16:49am

re: #27 Jay C

IOW, the sort of campaign-finance-law violation which, if it had been traced to a Democratic candidate or campaign organization, would be subject to a campaign of shrieking hysteria of ZOMG!! CORRUPTION!!1!!1! LOCK ‘EM UP!!!!1!!11!!, but gets shrugged off by most of the media as SOP for the GOP……

Not sure what you mean. The civil violations I referred to happen in almost every campaign - that’s why Trump and the rest of the wingularity was screaming about Obama’s violations “that were just civil”. Those do get shrugged off by everyone.

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garzooma  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:17:53am

re: #22 lawhawk

[…]

That also raises tax implications too, as these business entities had to file tax returns. That’s felony conduct too. And here’s where things get squirrely for Trump. There’s no statute of limitations on tax fraud. The IRS and NYS Division of Tax and Finance (and NYC for that matter) can all go after Trump Org [emphasis added] and Trump personally for this.

There was a Daily Beast article yesterday, “With Cohen Going to Prison, Trump’s Companies and Campaign Could Be Indicted Next” that says that even if the Justice Department won’t indict a sitting president, there’s nothing about indicting his company.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:18:00am

Trump is never going to be impeached over hiding payments to conceal his affairs, regardless of their legality. The question is why did Trump think those people who would allow him to shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue would somehow object to a known libertine having affairs. Maybe he realized that to win he needed to attract voters outside his base or perhaps he overestimated the character of the evangelicals and thought that this behavior would dissuade them from voting.

He and mannequin Mike will hopefully both fall due to their failure to protect this country against all enemies both foreign and domestic.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:19:47am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:20:42am

This is one of the funnier headlines of 2018. Apparently even sex robot aficionados are to woke to tolerate Steve Bannon!.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:21:48am

re: #31 garzooma

Or his kids.

Trump Org is in dire straits due to fact their CFO took an immunity deal. That means SDNY isn’t looking to get anyone lower than members of the board (aka Trump family members). You don’t give a deal to the CFO in effort to get someone lower than the CFO. You are seeking those above the CFO - and that means Junior and Eric (and Trump himself). Ivanka too since these crimes occurred before she supposedly separated from Trump Org.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:24:15am

re: #19 ObserverArt

Ah yes…thinking with the wrong head.

Dad always warned me that the big head goes soft when the other one gets hard…

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:24:15am

Good piece on Medium - Trump’s Strength Is As Shallow As He Is

Money quote:

Trump isn’t strong, powerful, or tough — he’s a guy who starts a fight at a club, knowing he rolled in with a security detail.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:25:08am

Maybe there are tapes.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:25:12am

Harry Turtledove tweeted me!

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KGxvi  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:25:28am

re: #35 lawhawk

Or his kids.

Trump Org is in dire straits due to fact their CFO took an immunity deal. That means SDNY isn’t looking to get anyone lower than members of the board (aka Trump family members). You don’t give a deal to the CFO in effort to get someone lower than the CFO. You are seeking those above the CFO - and that means Junior and Eric (and Trump himself). Ivanka too since these crimes occurred before she supposedly separated from Trump Org.

I’m of the mind that that’s the quickest way to impeachment for Trump: pardoning he’s kids as soon as they’re indicted. I still feel like that would be a red line for a lot of Republicans - Trump blatantly abusing the power of his office to save his kids/business. Especially because I can gaurandamntee that he won’t wait for the normal DOJ process, he’ll be writing them out on napkins if he has to.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:26:51am

re: #35 lawhawk

Or his kids.

Trump Org is in dire straits due to fact their CFO took an immunity deal. That means SDNY isn’t looking to get anyone lower than members of the board (aka Trump family members). You don’t give a deal to the CFO in effort to get someone lower than the CFO. You are seeking those above the CFO - and that means Junior and Eric (and Trump himself). Ivanka too since these crimes occurred before she supposedly separated from Trump Org.

What a disappointment! Jared is not on the board. I assume that his company might also be a subject of the Mueller investigation.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:28:05am

re: #40 KGxvi

I’m of the mind that that’s the quickest way to impeachment for Trump: pardoning he’s kids as soon as they’re indicted. I still feel like that would be a red line for a lot of Republicans - Trump blatantly abusing the power of his office to save his kids/business. Especially because I can gaurandamntee that he won’t wait for the normal DOJ process, he’ll be writing them out on napkins if he has to.

Would the SDNY be looking into this? So Trump cannot pardon?

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:28:21am

re: #38 jaunte

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Maybe there are tapes.

Of course there’s tapes.

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:28:48am

Here’s the latest in shakedown spam - built on the ‘I screen capped you watching pr0n’ letter, this one says that someone planted a bomb in my place of business, and if I don’t send $20,000 in Bitcoin by the end of day, they’ll blow up the building!

Which is pretty funny, considering that I work from a home office. My wife said maybe they got one of the cats to bring the bomb in…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:29:39am

re: #40 KGxvi

I’m of the mind that that’s the quickest way to impeachment for Trump: pardoning he’s kids as soon as they’re indicted. I still feel like that would be a red line for a lot of Republicans - Trump blatantly abusing the power of his office to save his kids/business. Especially because I can gaurandamntee that he won’t wait for the normal DOJ process, he’ll be writing them out on napkins if he has to.

I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t. Collins and maybe one or two other would be “concerned”, and the rest would complain about the cruelty of the “witch hunt” attacking Trump’s innocent children.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:29:47am

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

Would the SDNY be looking into this? So Trump cannot pardon?

SDNY would be looking at federal crimes, but NY has similar financial crimes laws, and they could prosecute independently without Trump being able to pardon on those crimes.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:30:20am

re: #38 jaunte

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Maybe there are tapes.

Dear Flying Spaghetti Monster, PLEASE!

And may the tapes ensnare a bunch of Republicans especially Rick Santorum!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:30:55am

re: #36 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dad always warned me that the big head goes soft when the other one gets hard…

Seinfeld - Chess Game (Penis vs Brain) HQ

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:31:17am

re: #44 makeitstop

Here’s the latest in shakedown spam - built on the ‘I screen capped you watching pr0n’ letter, this one says that someone planted a bomb in my place of business, and if I don’t send $20,000 in Bitcoin by the end of day, they’ll blow up the building!

Which is pretty funny, considering that I work from a home office. My wife said maybe they got one of the cats to bring the bomb in…

I’ve been getting lots of calls from the IRS warning that they are sending local law enforcement to arrest me; they haven’t arrived yet!

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:35:36am

re: #12 BlueGrl21

What amazes me is none of Butina’s marks ever sat there and thought, “Why would an attractive young Russian girl want to spend all of her time hanging out with us? Because we’re just that irresistible?”

Come on, man.

Arthur You’re a Hooker - Dudley Moore Restaurant I Just Thought I Was Doing Great With You

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:36:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:38:08am

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

I have a co-worker who wears a MAGA hat everyday. Today he had a black eye and no MAGA hat.

Proof hat America is full of hateful, intolerant and violent liberals.

/

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:38:11am

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

Would the SDNY be looking into this? So Trump cannot pardon?

SDNY is a federal US Attorney office. You’re thinking of charges brought by NY AG Barbara Underwood.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:38:34am

re: #49 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’ve been getting lots of calls from the IRS warning that they are sending local law enforcement to arrest me; they haven’t arrived yet!

Haven’t received one of those bogus IRS calls in a long time. However, I almost never pick up calls on my landline so I may miss some, though no bogus VM messages recently either

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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:39:46am

re: #32 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump is never going to be impeached over hiding payments to conceal his affairs, regardless of their legality. The question is why did Trump think those people who would allow him to shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue would somehow object to a known libertine having affairs. Maybe he realized that to win he needed to attract voters outside his base or perhaps he overestimated the character of the evangelicals and thought that this behavior would dissuade them from voting.

He and mannequin Mike will hopefully both fall due to their failure to protect this country against all enemies both foreign and domestic.

I think you are leaving someone(s) out as to why Trump did this cover up.

Melania and the Trump sons and daughters.

They may have not known and Melania may have left him and that whole scene could have too much to overcome to allow him to run.

Also, it wasn’t known by the other (17?) candidates in the primaries who could have used it against him.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:41:43am

re: #49 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’ve been getting lots of calls from the IRS warning that they are sending local law enforcement to arrest me; they haven’t arrived yet!

I keep getting the robots who think I’m Chinese, spoof the phone number of the consulate in Los Angeles and threaten me in Mandarin.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:43:03am

re: #54 Hecuba’s daughter

Haven’t received one of those bogus IRS calls in a long time. However, I almost never pick up calls on my landline so I may miss some, though no bogus VM messages recently either

Don’t even have a landline anymore; it seems pointless.

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William Lewis  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:44:02am

re: #49 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’ve been getting lots of calls from the IRS warning that they are sending local law enforcement to arrest me; they haven’t arrived yet!

I got one of those IRS calls and started talking to them as if they were real - but you see, I finally told them, I do actually owe about $50,000 in back taxes thanks to my ex-wife (for realz alas) and I know how the IRS contacts people. So hopefully, by now, the FBI has had a chance to trace this call (no not really but if they watch TV they might think so… LOL! ) and should be there any second. “Click” Haven’t been bothered by them since.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:44:17am

re: #55 ObserverArt

I think you are leaving someone(s) out as to why Trump did this cover up.

Melania and the Trump sons and daughters.

They may have not known and Melania may have left him and that whole scene could have too much to overcome to allow him to run.

Also, it wasn’t known by the other (17?) candidates in the primaries who could have used it against him.

Melania didn’t know? She certainly doesn’t care. Except for Barron, the rest of the family know his record; he cheated on their mothers. And didn’t the payments occur after he accepted the nomination?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:44:33am

A new candidate for CoS throws his hat in the ring!

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MsJ  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:46:03am

re: #4 lawhawk

3/ Butina admitted that she drafted a proposal in Russian called “Description of the Diplomacy Project” that suggested Russia could use “unofficial channels of communication” to build relations with Political Party #1 (the Republican Party).

You know, at one point, this would have been a truly HOLY SHIT moment…like end your career, wind up in prison for life if not at the wrong end of a noose or firing squad.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:46:18am

re: #44 makeitstop

My responses to the pr0n one: Did you get my good side? Was it good for you? Or, my favorite “Of course I was watching it, I MADE IT”

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:49:59am

re: #61 MsJ

At the NRA? This would be… don’t let anyone know where the money comes from in the future. That might be bad.

All the right wingers who think the NRA is about protecting the Constitution and the 2A and are real patriots should be in for a rude awakening, but they’re impervious to the fact that this group has been thoroughly coopted by the Russians to further Russia’s agenda.

My sense is that this got its start in the aftermath of Citizens United and the Russians realized they could use these kinds of entities to spread money and their influence in ways that could avoid easy scrutiny.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:52:19am
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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:54:55am

How dumb do you have to be to get involved in a criminal conspiracy with a guy named “Al Extortion”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:58:44am
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 13, 2018 • 11:59:34am

re: #44 makeitstop

Here’s the latest in shakedown spam - built on the ‘I screen capped you watching pr0n’ letter, this one says that someone planted a bomb in my place of business, and if I don’t send $20,000 in Bitcoin by the end of day, they’ll blow up the building!

Which is pretty funny, considering that I work from a home office. My wife said maybe they got one of the cats to bring the bomb in…

For enough catnip my cat would.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:00:31pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Melania pretends to be Ivanka…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:02:46pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gocart mozart  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:03:03pm
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:03:16pm

In case some of you have seen:

PewERS570AbEFPh+qNc6CVt2VPQcZ2V9Bzz7jm5Fqa+XJ+Tf2F4LuEdeQ5FR/AbIrDkNQvHyt9rmFWI5U49tOOJGRsPIt4tbN82M/y+Xcjtx6IpVVSMUkdx1OQtOcev9zGRfczPr5G04ZOvqV/UlLOf6tENJFjABZPhmvbfQwEAJSSN2BgYuYsPg5NSRH4f9LdDQPgYsn76m8heyJ1SfFB0Xats9/z6hqbOQqqRzzEo=

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:03:38pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Melania pretends to be Ivanka…

I went to that thread looking for comparisons to Jennifer Coolidge from Legally Blonde and was not disappointed.

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fern01  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:03:51pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Butina - the maximum she can get is 5 years and recommended much less - this is what working for Russia has now devolved to?

Young lass votes when she was not allowed to vote (on probation I think) - 6 years in prison.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:05:11pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Must be more angry Hillary supporters!

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MsJ  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:05:25pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:05:33pm

re: #59 Hecuba’s daughter

Melania didn’t know? She certainly doesn’t care. Except for Barron, the rest of the family know his record; he cheated on their mothers. And didn’t the payments occur after he accepted the nomination?

I’m trying to imagine the universe in which a President Obama had paid off p0rn stars, and his lawyer, who has just been sent up the river for 3 years for making the payments and for engaging in an elaborate cover up of the same, implicates Obama in the extra marital acts and the cover up scheme.

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:06:27pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We are currently monitoring multiple bomb threats that have been sent electronically to various locations throughout the city. These threats are also being reported to other locations nationwide and are not considered credible at this time.”

Apparently they got the same email I did this morning…

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:08:29pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Embedded content]

Melania pretends to be Ivanka…

Not for nothin’, but she’s looking a bit rough.

Being married to the Biggest Asshole in the World takes its toll.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:10:00pm

re: #73 fern01

Butina - the maximum she can get is 5 years and recommended much less - this is what working for Russia has now devolved to?

Young lass votes when she was not allowed to vote (on probation I think) - 6 years in prison.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

It’s Texas, not the federal government, that imprisons POC for voting when they mistakenly thought they were eligible. This is the future that Texas wants to impose on the rest of this country, including denying Americans the right to vote. Any state that was part of the CSA should not have any authority in drawing congressional districts or deciding on voting rights or banning felons who served their time from voting.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:10:13pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Must be more angry Hillary supporters!

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AntiFa and Occupy Wall Street types!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:13:01pm

re: #78 makeitstop

Not for nothin’, but she’s looking a bit rough.

Being married to the Biggest Asshole in the World takes its toll.

She looks like she’s trying to pass for 25 years old again.
The hair looks like thin dried-out straw and her face looks like it belongs in a wax museum.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:14:08pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Embedded content]

Melania pretends to be Ivanka…

Only way to get Trump hard.

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:14:36pm

re: #82 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Only way to get Trump hard.

ew

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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:15:49pm

Is Melania’s hair color change a signal that something else is changing? Like maybe she has had enough and everything is about to change?

Odd that it comes right after it has been made clear Michael Cohen made the payments to cover for The Donny’s affairs.

Or, is it?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:17:17pm

Glenn Greenwald again.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:17:31pm

re: #12 BlueGrl21

What amazes me is none of Butina’s marks ever sat there and thought, “Why would an attractive young Russian girl want to spend all of her time hanging out with us? Because we’re just that irresistible?”

Come on, man.

They’re hot!!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:17:55pm

Fucking ridiculous.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:20:21pm

re: #60 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Perfect. He has no reputation to damage.

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fern01  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:20:34pm

re: #79 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s Texas, not the federal government, that imprisons POC for voting when they mistakenly thought they were eligible. This is the future that Texas wants to impose on the rest of this country, including denying Americans the right to vote. Any state that was part of the CSA should not have any authority in drawing congressional districts or deciding on voting rights or banning felons who served their time from voting.

Texas is part of America, regardless of what they want to do to their people - they imprison someone for 6 years for incorrect voting - while the feds want to give someone 6 months for being a russian spy. Not so many years ago the latter was a death penalty crime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:26:07pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:27:05pm

re: #89 fern01

Texas is part of America, regardless of what they want to do to their people - they imprison someone for 6 years for incorrect voting - while the feds want to give someone 6 months for being a russian spy. Not so many years ago the latter was a death penalty crime.

Again — states are given a lot of leeway in terms of their laws, unless overturned by the Supreme Court (Loving vs State of Virginia) or overturned by specific federal laws. Obama’s hands were tied starting in 2010, courtesy of the GOP takeover of the House and then further tied by Mitch McConnell when he no longer had 60 votes in the Senate. Wasn’t the death penalty typically applied to traitors, not actual spies?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:27:17pm

re: #89 fern01

Texas is part of America, regardless of what they want to do to their people - they imprison someone for 6 years for incorrect voting - while the feds want to give someone 6 months for being a russian spy. Not so many years ago the latter was a death penalty crime.

yes…the Rosenbergs would like a word…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:29:06pm

And nobody was wearing a watch?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:33:38pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

And nobody was wearing a watch?

“Stop taking DJT literally figurative legally metaphorically logically philosophically materially ontologically imaginarily politically…he just says what he means and means what he says!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:34:26pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

And nobody was wearing a watch?

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Such a lying sack of shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:34:59pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:35:02pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

And nobody was wearing a watch?

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tRump doesn’t know whether to wind his ass or wipe his watch.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:36:29pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

Seriously, I think the only thing that would even stand a minor chance of making these assholes more empathetic would be to strip them of every dime and asset they have and set their asses down at their local “welfare office” with no cell phone and nothing in their wallets but an ID and an a half spent Amazon gift card. And even then, I doubt it would hit any of them as hard as they deserve.

These assholes make a rock solid case for a wealth cap on any individual with no fucking loopholes and 90 percent tax rate without even trying. Bastards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:37:53pm

we all kinda said the same thing the night the GOP shoved this through

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:39:16pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes…the Rosenbergs would like a word…

They were traitors, not just spies, betraying the most important secrets of the day (though probably delaying the Russians by only a few years in their development of nuclear weapons). And there were many other traitors since then who received lengthy prison times but not executed.

Hopefully, Butina ultimately provides sufficient information to bring down the whole GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:39:42pm
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:40:12pm
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Teukka  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:45:56pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:53:26pm

re: #103 Teukka

Next: A Twitler rant about the need for The Wall and National security, etc.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:54:02pm

Remember 1993, when Wayne LaPenis made his crack about “jack-booted thugs?” Hundreds of NRA life members resigned in protest, including Bush 41. I wonder how many, if any, will resign over the enormously more serious revelation of Russian subversion? The membership, in fact, will probably be almost unanimous in dismissing the charge as a fabrication by the Deep State. This shows the pervasive and sinister power of the conspiracy culture, and the utter depravity of conservative opinion-makers.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:57:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:57:58pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If memory serves Ari was just a talking head not a legal guy. I don’t even know if Ari is a lawyer.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:58:28pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

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tRump was just there to get coffee.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:58:44pm

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Remember 1993, when Wayne LaPenis made his crack about “jack-booted thugs?” Hundreds of NRA life members resigned in protest, including Bush 41. I wonder how many, if any, will resign over the enormously more serious revelation of Russian subversion? The membership, in fact, will probably be almost unanimous in dismissing the charge as a fabrication by the Deep State. This shows the pervasive and sinister power of the conspiracy culture, and the utter depravity of conservative opinion-makers.

Hell, they’ll embrace it. They’ve already got their “I’d Rather Be Russian than Liberal” T-shirts ready to go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:59:09pm

BOOM

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 12:59:12pm

Not all of you have FB or are friends with me there but I’ll announce it here too. I’m withdrawing my name from consideration to be Trump’s Chief of Staff.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:00:19pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

BOOM

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We’re going to get to the truth to this eventually and if it means we have to see the first American president go to jail, fine. Trump deserves it. He deserves to go down in history for that.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:02:01pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

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A smart guy would now go with the dementia defense but Trump’s ego won’t let him do that.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:02:23pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

BOOM

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And if he still had half-way competent lawyers representing him, they’d currently be rending their garments in frustration…again.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:03:18pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Not all of you have FB or are friends with me there but I’ll announce it here too. I’m withdrawing my name from consideration to be Trump’s Chief of Staff.

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Interesting Times  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:03:31pm

In threads the other day, some people were worrying about the Dem presidential field getting too crowded/overhyped. On that note, I’m not even sure how to handle this strong a concentration of common sense and reason:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:06:33pm

re: #116 Interesting Times

In threads the other day, some people were worrying about the Dem presidential field getting too crowded/overhyped. On that note, I’m not even sure how to handle this strong a concentration of common sense and reason:

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She gets it.

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steve_davis  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:06:36pm

re: #10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nah, it’s Political Party #1. Could be anybody. Who could ever know?

could be a fat guy, sitting on his toilet, trying to break one off while tweeting at 3 a.m.

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gwangung  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:07:32pm

re: #116 Interesting Times

In threads the other day, some people were worrying about the Dem presidential field getting too crowded/overhyped. On that note, I’m not even sure how to handle this strong a concentration of common sense and reason:

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Personally, I’m very happy with her answer…but would be willing to re-visit in about six years.

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nines09  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:07:53pm

Hope everyone is having a good day. I’ve been immersing myself in music and recollecting some older favorites.Got my 3 piece cover band some bookings, we played a few gigs and I’m happy with all of it. Nice. I’m doing the bookings so I’m learning my way.
I’m into all music. Good music is, well, good music.
Have to see this guy, I missed him in Camden NJ last year. His songs just mesh with me.
Great backyard summer weather tunes.
Anyway, have a good one.
Oh, and fuck the GOP.
Trump will go down, the only discussion is what he takes down with him.

Let It Be Sung - Jack Johnson, Matt Costa, Zach Gill

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:09:30pm

re: #119 gwangung

Personally, I’m very happy with her answer…but would be willing to re-visit in about six years.

Agreed. I believe AOC has a very bright future ahead of her. If anything, I think she would be a prime candidate for Pelosi to take under her wing and apprentice as a future House DNC leadership candidate.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:09:37pm

The terrorist was a domestic homegrown extremist who radicalized inside France. Borders wouldn’t stop him. Fences and walls wouldn’t prevent it.

Trump thinks that this is another justification for his boondoggle wall, when the DHS and law enforcement considers the threat of terrorism via Mexico to be low. The much greater threat is from Canada or those flying into the US on visas (and which has been well documented).

Trump spending billions on a wall that wont stop terrorism, let alone drug use, or other crime. He’s directed law enforcement to ignore homegrown right wing domestic terrorism, which is the biggest threat the nation faces and instead treats nonwhites as the biggest threat of all time.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:10:46pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

1. He wasn’t there.
2. OK, he was there, but so what?

/

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:11:00pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Agreed. I believe AOC has a very bright future ahead of her. If anything, I think she would be a prime candidate for Pelosi to take under her wing and apprentice as a future House DNC leadership candidate.

She’s not even in office but already more politically wise than Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:11:59pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

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Herpes too. Wants to spend more time with family but said Trump is doing Herpes’ work on an international level.

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darthstar  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:12:16pm

Holday party at work today…so I wore a suit. Guy in the car next to me says, “Nice suit, but you know what it really needs? This.” and pulls a fucking Rudolph head out of his car.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:15:21pm

The respectability police, still not giving a shit about obscene immorality.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:16:11pm

re: #126 darthstar

That needs to be a Christmas Card. Seriously.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:17:17pm

Welp, here’s what the Trump End Times Cult is trying to push out there to defend their god king today: HER EMAILS.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:18:43pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

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MsJ  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:18:49pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:18:53pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Welp, here’s what the Trump End Times Cult is trying to push out there to defend their god king today: HER EMAILS.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

I totally forgot, today was supposed to be the House GOP hearing into the “bombshell” evidence from their “whistleblower” who was totally gonna blow the lid off the Clinton Foundation story. I was promised indictments!

//

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:19:29pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

Where’s that Earth shattering kaboom. I was promised an Earth shattering kaboom!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:20:05pm

Aw, he deleted it! Chicken.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:20:22pm

re: #133 lawhawk

Where’s that Earth shattering kaboom. I was promised an Earth shattering kaboom!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:21:30pm

re: #130 lawhawk

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Connolly the Dem ranking member pictured is the senior NoVa Dem. He spoke to our local Dem group in the summer. He pointed out how important it is to have the majority. Oh and the GOP is desperate as usual.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:21:57pm

In just another month, the House DNC take over the majority and then we get to see what investigations look like when you’re not busy running active interference for a criminal organization.

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MsJ  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:22:31pm

re: #82 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Only way to get Trump hard.

I think that requires little blue pills.

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MsJ  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:23:21pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

Is Melania’s hair color change a signal that something else is changing? Like maybe she has had enough and everything is about to change?

Odd that it comes right after it has been made clear Michael Cohen made the payments to cover for The Donny’s affairs.

Or, is it?

I doubt any of that matters unless it leads to her getting money. She’ll stay for money and she’ll go for money. Where the money is Melanie will follow it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:24:21pm

moron

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Jay C  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:26:15pm

re: #138 MsJ

I think that requires little YUUUGE! blue pills.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:28:23pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Hey, look everybody, it’s another internet tough guy. Let’s all point and laugh!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:28:40pm
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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:29:24pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

RE: Judicial Watch’s Tom Fitton testifying under oath:

NYT:

“…The organization filed its first lawsuit against the Clintons shortly after its formation in 1994, and it pretty much never stopped. It is currently the plaintiff in more than 20 suits involving Mrs. Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee.”
…………..

“…Judicial Watch’s claims of nonpartisanship will be tested if Republicans win the White House next month. For now, anyway, Mr. Trump seems safe from the group’s scrutiny. Mr. Fitton, when asked if he was concerned about the Republican nominee’s unwillingness to release his tax returns, said he was far more troubled by the Internal Revenue Service’s decision to audit Mr. Trump. “I think the I.R.S. is a Sword of Damocles over the First Amendment, and I think it is a menace,” he said.

And the pending federal action against Trump University for defrauding students? Mr. Fitton, whose organization has filed about 300 lawsuits against the Obama administration, described it as “ambulance chasing.”
nytimes.com

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MsJ  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:29:36pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

we all kinda said the same thing the night the GOP shoved this through

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But is it an “err” when it’s deliberate?

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:30:45pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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[wingut] I PLEDGED IT! [/wingnut]

He pledged lots of stuff: better and cheaper healthcare that covers everyone, ending stupid wars, being presidential, hiring the best people, taking care of veterans, saving social security, infrastructure, making our airports world class showplaces, stopping Chicago violence, erasing the debt, etc., etc., etc.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:31:34pm

re: #102 Single-handed sailor

Do you think that the unholy 3 remaining on the SCOTUS regret their Citizens United vote? Do you think that Alito finally understands that Obama was right and that his disparaging “Not true” was wrong? Do you think any of them are capable of reconsidering their vote if a new case is presented to them? Hmmm — did Kavanaugh get money to pay off his debts from Russia too?

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:32:09pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

As someone else pointed out earlier, if Mexico is going to pay for the wall with the renegotiated NAFTA deal, why does he need Democrats to fund it?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:34:17pm

re: #148 Flying Squirrel Girl

As someone else pointed out earlier, if Mexico is going to pay for the wall with the renegotiated NAFTA deal, why does he need Democrats to fund it?

Shut up, that’s how.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:37:52pm

re: #147 Hecuba’s daughter

Do you think that the unholy 3 remaining on the SCOTUS regret their Citizens United vote? Do you think that Alito finally understands that Obama was right and that his disparaging “Not true” was wrong? Do you think any of them are capable of reconsidering their vote if a new case is presented to them? Hmmm — did Kavanaugh get money to pay off his debts from Russia too?

Nope.

Putin has Kompromat on them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:38:11pm

re: #146 bd(Redacted)

[wingut] I PLEDGED IT! [/wingnut]

He pledged lots of stuff: better and cheaper healthcare that covers everyone, ending stupid wars, being presidential, hiring the best people, taking care of veterans, saving social security, infrastructure, making our airports world class showplaces, stopping Chicago violence, erasing the debt, etc., etc., etc.

But the rest of these promises don’t excite his base. The chants at his Nuremberg rallies were all about building the wall (and Mexico paying) and “Lock her up”, the last of which the House GOP is trying to support in their desperate last stand today.

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wrenchwench  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:38:36pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

[President Mendacious Manbaby ]

First time I’ve seen that. I liked it. I do a google search:

Did you mean: President Mendacious Man Baby

and

Images for President Mendacious Manbaby

Make it stop.

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:39:53pm

Weekly recap (and it’s only Thursday…sigh):
1) Butina enters guilty plea implicating Russia, NRA, and GOP officials in Russian effort to manipulate NRA and GOP to further Russian agenda.
2) Cohen pleads guilty and allocutes to working with Trump on paying off two women and then using various measure to shield the payments from the FEC - namely engaging in money laundering and furthering a conspiracy to shield those payments from public scrutiny.
3) David Pecker announces immunity deal with prosecutors over his role in protecting Trump from scrutiny over those payoffs.
4) Trump Org is implicated in (2), which means that Eric, Junior, and Ivanka are likely implicated along with Trump himself- as board members and the ones above CFO Weisselberg, who also cut an immunity deal with prosecutors - you don’t give up deets on those below you - you turn on those above you. Where there’s one shady deal, there are a dozen more. Just you watch.
5) Manafort pleadings.
6) Flynn sentencing.

And I know I’m missing stuff…. it’s exhausting trying to keep up with the batcrap insanity and nonstop criminality that is Trumpworld.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:39:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:40:54pm
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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:41:32pm

Heh…. but wait… there’s more:

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:41:44pm

re: #153 lawhawk

Weekly recap (and it’s only Thursday…sigh):
1) Butina enters guilty plea implicating Russia, NRA, and GOP officials in Russian effort to manipulate NRA and GOP to further Russian agenda.
2) Cohen pleads guilty and allocutes to working with Trump on paying off two women and then using various measure to shield the payments from the FEC - namely engaging in money laundering and furthering a conspiracy to shield those payments from public scrutiny.
3) David Pecker announces immunity deal with prosecutors over his role in protecting Trump from scrutiny over those payoffs.
4) Trump Org is implicated in (2), which means that Eric, Junior, and Ivanka are likely implicated along with Trump himself- as board members and the ones above CFO Weisselberg, who also cut an immunity deal with prosecutors - you don’t give up deets on those below you - you turn on those above you. Where there’s one shady deal, there are a dozen more. Just you watch.
5) Manafort pleadings.
6) Flynn sentencing.

And I know I’m missing stuff…. it’s exhausting trying to keep up with the batcrap insanity and nonstop criminality that is Trumpworld.

What another Great Infrastructure Week it’s been.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:41:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:42:59pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

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Bragging about 45% of the women vote. Carry on.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:43:16pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

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The shutdown hasn’t even happened and already he’s backing out of his “I take responsibility!” boast. That, children, is what is known as a “tell.”

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:43:24pm

“The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:43:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:43:32pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Heh…. but wait… there’s more:

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Most corrupt administration ever. It’s not even close.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:44:37pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Heh…. but wait… there’s more:

Crooks, liars, and thieves, the lot of them. We need to just flush the toilet.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:45:04pm

re: #150 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope.

Putin has Kompromat on them.

Putin certainly had Kompromat on Kennedy — or at least his son.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:45:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:46:20pm

re: #166 jaunte

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Republicans have no principles at all.

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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:46:58pm

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Remember 1993, when Wayne LaPenis made his crack about “jack-booted thugs?” Hundreds of NRA life members resigned in protest, including Bush 41. I wonder how many, if any, will resign over the enormously more serious revelation of Russian subversion? The membership, in fact, will probably be almost unanimous in dismissing the charge as a fabrication by the Deep State. This shows the pervasive and sinister power of the conspiracy culture, and the utter depravity of conservative opinion-makers.

Agreed…but a whole hell of a lot of people have to be either totally ignorant or willfully ignorant to buy the conspiracy.

And I find that troubling for a society.

So many people are willing to buy some of the most ridiculously thin conspiracy thinking. And they have to be opened up to do that. Is it education, the lack thereof? Is it churches teaching not to trust our institutions? I just don’t know why this works.

If we had a more critical thinking citizenry Fox News might not even be able to do what they do, not to mention all the others like Alex Jones and the real nuts.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:47:50pm
“The inaugural committee hasn’t been asked for records or been contacted by prosecutors, according to a lawyer close to the matter, who said: “We are not aware of any evidence the investigation the Journal is reporting actually exists.”
wsj.com

“This is fine.”

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:49:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:50:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:51:00pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

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It gets him out of the House at least. But sheesh.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:52:20pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Gaetz: Do I have to?

POTUS: C’mon, it’ll be Great, believe me.

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MsJ  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:53:13pm

re: #123 Sir John Barron

1. He wasn’t there.
2. OK, he was there, but so what?

More like…

1. He wasn’t there.
2. OK, he was there, but it wasn’t a big deal.
3. Ok, it was a big deaI, but he wasn’t directly involved.
4. Ok, he was directly involved, but it wasn’t illegal.
5. Ok, it was illdon’t, but everyone does it.
6. Ok, everyone doesn’t do it but they should!

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:53:25pm

… deleted

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:53:30pm

re: #166 jaunte

So owned, Libtard!

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:53:34pm

My prediction is there will be no shutdown. Why? Because the GOP lost any chance of putting the blame on the DNC and their lame attempts to spin it as “They refuse to negotiate!” are gonna sound every bit as lame as they did when they screamed that the DNC wouldn’t agree to gut the ACA. My prediction is they’ll pass another short-term bill that gets us into next spring, Donny will sign it because he won’t want to have his two-week long vacation disturbed, and the wingnut media will quickly spin it as “The Dems didn’t get the shutdown they wanted!”

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:54:11pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:54:48pm

re: #178 lawhawk

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To paraphrase Ron White, “He has the right to remain silent, but he doesn’t have the ability.”

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:55:36pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Sounds like Gaetz drew the short straw.

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CongoJack  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:55:56pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

To paraphrase Ron White, “He has the right to remain silent, but he doesn’t have the ability.”

That is when “we” broke a bar stool on my leg.

Good lines in that story from Mr. White.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:56:51pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:57:24pm

Nicole Wallace just reporting that there’s now a federal investigation into misuse of funds from inauguration fund.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:57:33pm

re: #180 Sir John Barron

Sounds like Gaetz drew the short straw.

I think Gaetz is a true believer. The Kremlin has dirt but they didn’t need to use it.

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darthstar  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:57:40pm

re: #182 jaunte

MIGA - Make investigations great again.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:57:44pm

re: #182 jaunte

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Yep, that’s it.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:57:56pm

re: #182 jaunte

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House GOP:

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Sir John Barron  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:59:28pm

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

Nicole Wallace just reporting that there’s now a federal investigation into misuse of funds from inauguration fund.

1. Fake news witch hunt
2. So what doesn’t involve DJT, just some coffee getting underlings
3. Not a real crime
4. whataboutwhataboutwhatabout

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lawhawk  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:59:47pm

re: #182 jaunte

And the SDNY and Mueller have convictions/plea deals with people involved in every aspect of that so far.

Cohen - Trump org, campaign, etc.
Flynn - campaign, transition, admin
Manafort - campaign
Gates - campaign
Papadopoulos - campaign, transition, admin.
Butina - campaign? GOP, NRA.

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2018 • 1:59:56pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

First time I’ve seen that. I liked it. I do a google search:

and

Make it stop.

Que?

:)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:00:17pm

The GOP who investigated a losing candidate non stop and had an untold failed ACA repeals will be on FNC to tell you “no one cares” about this.

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darthstar  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:01:26pm

I didn’t realize what a good writer Stephen King was…thanks, Charles.

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fern01  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:01:28pm

re: #100 Hecuba’s daughter

They were traitors, not just spies, betraying the most important secrets of the day (though probably delaying the Russians by only a few years in their development of nuclear weapons). And there were many other traitors since then who received lengthy prison times but not executed.

Hopefully, Butina ultimately provides sufficient information to bring down the whole GOP.

So traitors get death - spies get 6 months - that seems fair. There are any number of people out there supposedly bringing down the GOP - the only person Butina is likely to bring down is herself - especially if she gets deported back to Russia. Will be interested to see if she gets asylum after her “assistance”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:01:41pm

re: #181 CongoJack

That is when “we” broke a bar stool on my leg.

Good lines in that story from Mr. White Tater Salad.

FTFY

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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:03:09pm

Nike Confessore of the NY Times on Nicole’s Deadline Washington is talking about how deep Trump’s illegal money handling is going to go once they put it all together.

He was talking about one area he and others are looking at are the donations to the Trump inauguration fund. They raised twice the money Obama raised and we all saw little was spent on the actual inauguration.

He said a look at the donor list shows corporate groups representing things like insurance companies, big pharmaceutical businesses, prison administration, etc.

Rick Stengel (former Time mag head, etc.) said that isn’t new, happens every four years. But what he and Confessore seem to be seeing is it looks like pay for play and Trump just did what he wanted to do with the money. Ane he is paying them all back with favor…like messing with the ACA and all the “holding centers” (prisons) for the people crossing the southern border.

When this all wrapped up, they will have trouble finding anything Trump did that was legal.

Just one more alley Mueller and Gang have to go down.

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MsJ  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:04:50pm

re: #126 darthstar

Holday party at work today…so I wore a suit. Guy in the car next to me says, “Nice suit, but you know what it really needs? This.” and pulls a fucking Rudolph head out of his car.

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Doesn’t everyone have one of those in their car?

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:05:05pm
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jaunte  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:05:40pm

It’s just going to be the Trump family in the bunker, isn’t it?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:07:22pm

re: #198 jaunte

It’s just going to be the Trump family in the bunker, isn’t it?

Stephen Miller seems like he’d be happy to be the plus one.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:08:24pm

re: #198 jaunte

It’s just going to be the Trump family in the bunker, isn’t it?

Trump’s going to at Mar-a-Lago for 16 days over Christmas. Can we change the locks on the WH? Maybe send Chris Hansen to Mar-a-Lago to greet them?

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:08:29pm
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:08:41pm

So now we are at the children’s movie sadistic villain stage of this story:

Trump et al used detained children in cages to lure people into trying to sponsor them and get them out of captivity. Then the mass arrests started.

I have no fucking words, lizards. I honestly could see this kind of shit going in 1938 Munich.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:09:37pm

Here’s how I expect the next week will go:

1) House and Senate GOP leaders will try to fashion up funding bills that include the $5B for Donny’s vanity project, with one or the other saying “This is the only bill we’ll be voting on.”

2) Both will jump in front of the cameras and lambast the DNC leadership (particularly Nancy) for refusing to “negotiate” on the matter, saying that a hardline “No” is hurtful to the American people.

3) The DNC will hold fast (though Chuck may waver), forcing the GOP to whip the fuck out of their caucuses and try to offer a few trinkets to Blue Dog Dems to get the votes to put the bill on Donny’s desk.

4) The whips will take a count and realize they don’t have the votes to pass the bills, forcing another round of bleating from the GOP about how the DNC are hurting Americans by refusing to “negotiate” and that this is totally un-American.

5) Finally, either Wednesday afternoon or Thursday morning, a race will begin to fashion together stop-gap bills that will push the whole thing out another month or 2, just to get past the holidays, with assurances that they’re not abandoning the fight for the wall funding but just avoiding a painful shutdown that “nobody wants.”

6) The bills get passed at the 11th hour and rushed to Donny’s desk, he bullshits his way into signing them, and the media that has spent weeks talking up the direness of the situation assure folks the crisis has passed…for now.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:09:43pm

re: #202 Scottish Dragon

So now we are at the children’s movie sadistic villain stage of this story:

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Scary shit. This actually is reminding me of South America in the 70’s.

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darthstar  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:11:17pm

Warm kitty, soft kitty,
Little bag of fur….

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:11:25pm

I’m a bit troubled by this picture of the teenage daughter of one of my coworkers

The mother had posted a group photo on Facebook and the kid does that. Nobody has said anything to my knowledge.

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wrenchwench  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:12:12pm

re: #190 makeitstop

Que?

:)

Sorry. Nothing personal.

But maybe I understand your nic in a new way now…

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:12:53pm

re: #205 darthstar

Warm kitty, soft kitty,
Little bag of fur….

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When Mother Nature gets tired of your shit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:14:22pm

re: #206 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I’m a bit troubled by this picture of the teenage daughter of one of my coworkers

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The mother had posted a group photo on Facebook and the kid does that. Nobody has said anything to my knowledge.

Very deplorable. Of course, it may just be the child trolling her parents without understanding the significance. Or it may be a new generation of racists reaching adulthood.

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fern01  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:14:24pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Heh…. but wait… there’s more:

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Funny how all these investigations seem to be coming to the forefront - after the democrats won the house.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:15:15pm

re: #206 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I’m a bit troubled by this picture of the teenage daughter of one of my coworkers

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The mother had posted a group photo on Facebook and the kid does that. Nobody has said anything to my knowledge.

Um, yeah. I would have questions.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:15:26pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:15:43pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

The shutdown hasn’t even happened and already he’s backing out of his “I take responsibility!” boast. That, children, is what is known as a “tell.”

The greatest negotiator ever!

He folds like paper.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:16:10pm

re: #213 ObserverArt

The greatest negotiator ever!

He folds like paper.

and lies like a carpet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:17:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:18:10pm

Yeah consider Jared. Do it dumbass.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:18:57pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Reminds me of Dick Cheney being appointed by the Bush campaign to search for a VP candidate…only to conclude that the best candidate was Dick Cheney.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:18:58pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What a fun calico kitteh!

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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:21:17pm

re: #198 jaunte

It’s just going to be the Trump family in the bunker, isn’t it?

I think we knew that when he was elected. Once he put Kushner in the White House it was pretty clear it would come to this.

It is how he worked as a business man. A small family business of con artists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:21:48pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:24:49pm

re: #203 Targetpractice

Here’s how I expect the next week will go:

1) House and Senate GOP leaders will try to fashion up funding bills that include the $5B for Donny’s vanity project, with one or the other saying “This is the only bill we’ll be voting on.”

2) Both will jump in front of the cameras and lambast the DNC leadership (particularly Nancy) for refusing to “negotiate” on the matter, saying that a hardline “No” is hurtful to the American people.

3) The DNC will hold fast (though Chuck may waver), forcing the GOP to whip the fuck out of their caucuses and try to offer a few trinkets to Blue Dog Dems to get the votes to put the bill on Donny’s desk.

4) The whips will take a count and realize they don’t have the votes to pass the bills, forcing another round of bleating from the GOP about how the DNC are hurting Americans by refusing to “negotiate” and that this is totally un-American.

5) Finally, either Wednesday afternoon or Thursday morning, a race will begin to fashion together stop-gap bills that will push the whole thing out another month or 2, just to get past the holidays, with assurances that they’re not abandoning the fight for the wall funding but just avoiding a painful shutdown that “nobody wants.”

6) The bills get passed at the 11th hour and rushed to Donny’s desk, he bullshits his way into signing them, and the media that has spent weeks talking up the direness of the situation assure folks the crisis has passed…for now.

I may be late to point this out, but I think this session of Congress is closed tomorrow.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:25:40pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

I may be late to point this out, but I think this session of Congress is closed tomorrow.

Yertle’s already declared that they’re staying in session until the 21st, if not through the holidays, because there’s too much left on their plates to go home.

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steve_davis  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:26:08pm

re: #168 ObserverArt

Agreed…but a whole hell of a lot of people have to be either totally ignorant or willfully ignorant to buy the conspiracy.

And I find that troubling for a society.

So many people are willing to buy some of the most ridiculously thin conspiracy thinking. And they have to be opened up to do that. Is it education, the lack thereof? Is it churches teaching not to trust our institutions? I just don’t know why this works.

If we had a more critical thinking citizenry Fox News might not even be able to do what they do, not to mention all the others like Alex Jones and the real nuts.

nazi germany was the most literate society of its day, anywhere in the world, and they still fell for it. man is an animal that, because of his nature, is capable of spiritual sickness. and that is a sickness that eats societies like a cancer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:28:01pm

O_o

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:30:26pm

Virgin Galactic’s VSS Unity Soars Into Space for 1st Time

It wasn’t supposed to be a full-duration burn—60 seconds—but it was, and they only got to 51.4 miles altitude. I think Branson announcing beforehand that they were “going to space today” telegraphs that they’re going to call “space” 50 miles instead of 100 kilometers. Lower than expected performance?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:31:09pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you get this cat, I will guarantee you:
— your water glasses will get knocked off the nightstand
— your window blinds will be rattled
— you will be gently poked in the face at 4 am with a claw as it sits on your chest
— it will snore loudly
What’s not to love?

Bill the Cat in real life!!!

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:32:26pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

Sorry. Nothing personal.

But maybe I understand your nic in a new way now…

I started using it on a hoops forum after my Knicks were really bad for a few years.

The Knicks are still bad, but it also applies t the current state of the nation.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:33:27pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Won’t lie. It sounds good but I hope they all get terrible shits.

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wrenchwench  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:35:38pm

re: #227 makeitstop

I started using it on a hoops forum after my Knicks were really bad for a few years.

The Knicks are still bad, but it also applies t the current state of the nation.

I got no room to talk when it comes to bad picks in sports; I was a Lance Armstrong fan. I got better.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:36:17pm

re: #225 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Not quite there yet. But still pretty damn impressive!

“Almost there …”

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wrenchwench  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:36:34pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Won’t lie. It sounds good but I hope they all get terrible shits.

Senate GOP? They already got one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:37:42pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

Senate GOP? They already got one.

they just have a wee shite in a suit

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:37:48pm

Mexican street corn. lol

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:40:25pm

HA HA YOUR OWNED LIBTARD!!!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:40:40pm

re: #225 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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It wasn’t supposed to be a full-duration burn—60 seconds—but it was, and they only got to 51.4 miles altitude. I think Branson announcing beforehand that they were “going to space today” telegraphs that they’re going to call “space” 50 miles instead of 100 kilometers. Lower than expected performance?

xkcd.com

They did not go to space today, but they did go very very high.

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John_Manyjars  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:43:17pm

re: #8 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

That was hysterical…:)))

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:45:32pm

What’s 67% of 44%?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:45:36pm

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

HA HA YOUR OWNED LIBTARD!!!!

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If walls work, why did Reagan ask Gorby to tear it down or were you too busy rooting for the GDR in history class?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:46:02pm

re: #235 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

xkcd.com

They did not go to space today, but they did go very very high.

No , after the flight, they specifically tweeted:

and gave the pilots commercial astronaut wings. I’m pretty sure they’re going to change the definition back to the old Air Force 50 miles and abandon the Kármán line.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:46:08pm

hahahahahahahahaha

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:46:57pm

re: #237 makeitstop

What’s 67% of 44%?

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29.3 well damn.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:48:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:49:46pm

no shit

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fern01  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:53:03pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

…..5
…..4
…..3
…..2
…..1

I never wanted that guy as my Chief of Staff - he was foisted on me - was useless at the job.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:53:35pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

no shit

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He deserves all the ignominy he is getting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:55:00pm

what could possibly go wrong?

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 2:56:43pm

And imagine my surprise that Faux is already playing the “Oh, shutdowns aren’t that bad, nobody will even notice it!” that only ever comes up when they know the GOP will be blamed.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:03:39pm

re: #225 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Or they need to adjust the flight profile.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:08:59pm
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John_Manyjars  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:09:25pm

re: #12 BlueGrl21

A lot of them believe the Earth is 6000 years old…not a big stretch for them to think of Butina as interested in their pasty asses…

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:10:13pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

And imagine my surprise that Faux is already playing the “Oh, shutdowns aren’t that bad, nobody will even notice it!” that only ever comes up when they know the GOP will be blamed.

Trump is a deeply unpopular President. Why would Democrats allow him to blackmail them into funding a useless wall when their constituents want them to block and impeach him? I don’t get the GOP strategy behind this shutdown.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:13:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:15:51pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:16:13pm

re: #239 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No , after the flight, they specifically tweeted:

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and gave the pilots commercial astronaut wings. I’m pretty sure they’re going to change the definition back to the old Air Force 50 miles and abandon the Kármán line.

According to the WaPo article, the FAA calls anything above 50 miles “space.” So, they’re going with that definition. The pilots also qualify for astronaut wings.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:16:19pm

re: #251 Patricia Kayden

Trump is a deeply unpopular President. Why would Democrats allow him to blackmail them into funding a useless wall when their constituents want them to block and impeach him? I don’t get the GOP strategy behind this shutdown.

There is no GOP strategy. Its just Trump posturing for his base. Bet on Trump backing down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:18:02pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:18:53pm

re: #251 Patricia Kayden

Trump is a deeply unpopular President. Why would Democrats allow him to blackmail them into funding a useless wall when their constituents want them to block and impeach him? I don’t get the GOP strategy behind this shutdown.

They’re slinging everything they can, no matter how implausible, against the wall in the hopes that something will end up sticking and get them out of this mess. Plus, as Eric Boehlert noted the other day, Faux never handles being on the defensive well. They’re only really equipped to attack and whenever they go on the defensive, their entire strategy is built around attacking any targets of opportunity they can find.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:19:26pm

re: #254 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

According to the WaPo article, the FAA calls anything above 50 miles “space.” So, they’re going with that definition. The pilots also qualify for astronaut wings.

My point was, after years of promising 100 km flights, they’re obviously planning on defining that down. This would curtail the freefall portion of the flight, too, which was only 4 minutes to begin with.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:20:29pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

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And this is exactly why he should have never run for President. Had he stayed in his Apprentice job, we’d never know how sleazy and messy and criminal he really is. Now he has put his older children’s freedom in jeopardy and his lawyer is serving a three year jail stint.

Thanks Trump!!

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:21:56pm

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

And this is exactly why he should have never run for President. Had he stayed in his Apprentice job, we’d never know how sleazy and messy and criminal he really is. Now he has put his older children’s freedom in jeopardy and his lawyer is serving a three year jail stint.

Thanks Trump!!

Had he lost in 2016 or just never run at all, we’d never have known the extent of his criminal acts until long after he’d died. Why? Because only then would people feel brave enough to challenge the NDAs to attack him and start dishing up dirty laundry to the press.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:22:10pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:22:16pm

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

And this is exactly why he should have never run for President. Had he stayed in his Apprentice job, we’d never know how sleazy and messy and criminal he really is. Now he has put his older children’s freedom in jeopardy and his lawyer is serving a three year jail stint.

Thanks Trump!!

If it’s ever all sorted out, it’s going to be impossible to believe that one human being could live long enough to commit all the felonies he’s committed.

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gwangung  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:22:54pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think Rep. Lieu is under-appreciated as a political leader. As well, he’s relatively young AND he has had place in the power structure for at least two years….one of those new voices that certain rabble rousers have been screaming for…..

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:23:42pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kelly is so full of ish. He actively supported Trump’s lies and racism. Remember his attack on Rep Fredricka Wilson and his support of separating migrant families? Why didn’t he leave after Trump’s Charlottesville comments? His reputation is now toast because he associated himself with Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:26:50pm

re: #254 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

According to the WaPo article, the FAA calls anything above 50 miles “space.” So, they’re going with that definition. The pilots also qualify for astronaut wings.

Wiki:

During the X-15 program, 13 flights by eight pilots met the Air Force spaceflight criterion by exceeding the altitude of 50 miles (80 km), thus qualifying these pilots as being astronauts. The Air Force pilots qualified for astronaut wings immediately, while the civilian pilots were eventually awarded NASA astronaut wings in 2005, 35 years after the last X-15 flight. The only Navy pilot in the X-15 program never took the aircraft above the requisite 50 mile (80 km) altitude and thus never earned astronaut wings.[3][4]

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:27:15pm

Elephants are so cool!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:29:38pm

re: #264 Patricia Kayden

Kelly is so full of ish. He actively supported Trump’s lies and racism. Remember his attack on Rep Fredricka Wilson and his support of separating migrant families? Why didn’t he leave after Trump’s Charlottesville comments? His reputation is now toast because he associated himself with Trump.

And he was a four-star Marine General? WTH does the Marine Corps need with a four-star General? “Corps” is right there in the name! And it’s a small Corps—three divisions, right? Military Lizards? Any thoughts?

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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:30:15pm

Trump’s pattern of behavior is so predictable.

It is almost like he operates off a fast food menu.

I’ll take a #8 (Low level employee) with a #10 (Never knew him really).

Tomorrow morning he will tweet a #1 (Fake news) and add in a #3 (Look at Clinton).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:32:47pm

re: #258 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My point was, after years of promising 100 km flights, they’re obviously planning on defining that down. This would curtail the freefall portion of the flight, too, which was only 4 minutes to begin with.

This was still only a test flight, with a short burn. I think later tests will go for the higher altitude. Also, 100 km = 63 miles, so watch out for unit confusion.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:35:27pm

re: #268 ObserverArt

Trump’s pattern of behavior is so predictable.

It is almost like he operates off a fast food menu.

I’ll take a #8 (Low level employee) with a #10 (Never knew him really).

Tomorrow morning he will tweet a #1 (Fake news) and add in a #3 (Look at Clinton).

He’s the kind of employee fast food places bought cash registers with pictures on the keys for. Now, they use touch screens, but same concept.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:35:45pm

So say the weatherman tells us 70F today, 50F tonight with a chance of light to moderate chaff?
thedrive.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:37:32pm

re: #271 Unshaken Defiance

from Monday:

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gocart mozart  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:38:07pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:41:24pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

When I predicted this days ago, I was half joking:

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:41:53pm

re: #271 Unshaken Defiance

So say the weatherman tells us 70F today, 50F tonight with a chance of light to moderate chaff?
thedrive.com

Light to moderate SAM-7 launches with intermittent counter-measures. Expect a pop up Wild Weasel or two sometime after midnight.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:46:05pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seems our airmen and women are busy with drills and exercises these days.
Conga Lines Of USAF Airlifters Filled The Night Sky Across U.S. For Joint Forcible Entry Drill

Maybe related is the closure of Catalina island airport, where the military will practice upgrading the airfield as if they had just taken the place.

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dangerman  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:46:49pm

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

And this is exactly why he should have never run for President. Had he stayed in his Apprentice job, we’d never know how sleazy and messy and criminal he really is. Now he has put his older children’s freedom in jeopardy and his lawyer is serving a three year jail stint.

Thanks Trump!!

this.
so many freakin’ times, this

knowing full well how every single campaign and administration has run in the past, total hubris, total miscalculation, or just plain stupidity thinking no one would look at *anything*

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:47:36pm

re: #269 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This was still only a test flight, with a short burn. I think later tests will go for the higher altitude. Also, 100 km = 63 miles, so watch out for unit confusion.

It was supposed to be a short burn, but as it turned out, it wasn’t—it was the full 60 seconds. Maybe they deliberately shallowed the climb, and they’ll go to 100 km on a later flight, I don’t know. And I know 50 miles is about 80% of the way there, but I think for a quarter-mil people are going to want to go into “space” by the international definition—especially since the New Shepard actually has reached that altitude.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:49:00pm

re: #153 lawhawk

Weekly recap (and it’s only Thursday…sigh):
1) Butina enters guilty plea implicating Russia, NRA, and GOP officials in Russian effort to manipulate NRA and GOP to further Russian agenda.
2) Cohen pleads guilty and allocutes to working with Trump on paying off two women and then using various measure to shield the payments from the FEC - namely engaging in money laundering and furthering a conspiracy to shield those payments from public scrutiny.
3) David Pecker announces immunity deal with prosecutors over his role in protecting Trump from scrutiny over those payoffs.
4) Trump Org is implicated in (2), which means that Eric, Junior, and Ivanka are likely implicated along with Trump himself- as board members and the ones above CFO Weisselberg, who also cut an immunity deal with prosecutors - you don’t give up deets on those below you - you turn on those above you. Where there’s one shady deal, there are a dozen more. Just you watch.
5) Manafort pleadings.
6) Flynn sentencing.

And I know I’m missing stuff…. it’s exhausting trying to keep up with the batcrap insanity and nonstop criminality that is Trumpworld.

How sad is it that this week actually feels pretty laid back?

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dangerman  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:49:07pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump claims his former “fixer” Michael Cohen was a “low-level” employee

employee?
you dont pay fees via invoices to employees

and “deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee’s Finance Committee”?
pretty low level stuff

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dangerman  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:51:32pm

re: #266 Patricia Kayden

Elephants are so cool!

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needs moar updings

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Mattand  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:52:22pm

re: #126 darthstar

Holday party at work today…so I wore a suit. Guy in the car next to me says, “Nice suit, but you know what it really needs? This.” and pulls a fucking Rudolph head out of his car.

Christ, that’s Fred’s answer for everything.

Xmas party: pull out a Rudolph head.

Easter mass: pull out a Rudolph head.

Speeding ticket: pull out a Rudolph head.

IRS audit: pull out a Rudolph head.

Grandmom’s bedside vigil: pull out a Rudolph head.

Dude needs some new material.

283
dangerman  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:52:53pm

re: #270 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He’s the kind of employee fast food places bought cash registers with pictures on the keys for. Now, they use touch screens, but same concept.

pictures of the food
pictures of the money

otoh it was a brilliant way to quickly train the constantly turning over staff

284
nines09  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:53:29pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:54:10pm

re: #277 dangerman

this.
so many freakin’ times, this

knowing full well how every single campaign and administration has run in the past, total hubris, total miscalculation, or just plain stupidity thinking no one would look at *anything*

He could be another Fox victim, believing that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, to name two, had committed untold numbers of crimes, but had gotten away with them. Why shouldn’t he?

286
garzooma  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:56:04pm

re: #275 Scottish Dragon

Light to moderate SAM-7 launches with intermittent counter-measures. Expect a pop up Wild Weasel or two sometime after midnight.

One of my favorite lines from George Carlin’s Hippy Dippy Weatherman: “The radar is picking up a line of thunderstorms. But it’s also picking up a squadron of Russian ICBM’s, so I wouldn’t sweat the thunderstorms.”

287
dangerman  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:56:17pm

re: #285 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He could be another Fox victim, believing that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, to name two, had committed untold numbers of crimes, but had gotten away with them. Why shouldn’t he?

so…..stupidity

288
Decatur Deb  Dec 13, 2018 • 3:58:52pm

Today’s spate of bomb threats seems to be for-profit rather than terrorism. Ransom was demanded in Bitcoin, adding more stink to a sinking market.

markets.businessinsider.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:00:17pm

re: #280 dangerman

employee?
you dont pay fees via invoices to employees

and “deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee’s Finance Committee”?
pretty low level stuff

he was merely a deputy…

290
Decatur Deb  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:01:22pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

he was merely a deputy…

Kid could make a quick run to Starbucks, though. Always wrote down the order.

291
ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:03:19pm

re: #277 dangerman

this.
so many freakin’ times, this

knowing full well how every single campaign and administration has run in the past, total hubris, total miscalculation, or just plain stupidity thinking no one would look at *anything*

It’s not bad if you are the president.

Really seems to be what he has been thinking all along. That and his AG and his generals would protect him from everything.

He was wrong. He has been wrong a lot in his career.

292
gocart mozart  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:03:34pm
293
Decatur Deb  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:07:57pm

re: #292 gocart mozart

Shit does more harm than good. Unless he’s got the tape.

294
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:09:25pm

re: #293 Decatur Deb

Shit does more harm than good. Unless he’s got the tape.

Thing is, I totally believe Trump would do that.

295
Decatur Deb  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:11:06pm

re: #294 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Thing is, I totally believe Trump would do that.

I would believe Trump steals little baby Jesus from church mangers, but it needs the footage.

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ObserverArt  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:16:13pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

I would believe Trump steals little baby Jesus from church mangers, but it needs the footage.

He’d never do that.

He’d get someone like a Cohen to do it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 13, 2018 • 4:37:38pm

re: #178 lawhawk

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“You have the RIGHT to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2018 • 5:03:38pm

re: #284 nines09

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Hopefully Bibi goes down for this top.


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