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Dave In Austin  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:39:57pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:53:05pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

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Wow.

That opens the door for Nina Turner and Tulsi Gabbard…Gives me more reason to support Sherrod Brown…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:53:51pm

I’m not familiar with this particular commentator, but I suspect I wouldn’t like what he writes.

Also, boo hoo hoo. Turns out terms of service actually mean something to some platforms.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:57:23pm

re: #3 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’m not familiar with this particular commentator, but I suspect I wouldn’t like what he writes.

Also, boo hoo hoo. Turns out terms of service actually mean something to some platforms.

Bye, Sam!

May the door hit ya where The Big G split ya!

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Targetpractice  Dec 16, 2018 • 9:59:57pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

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You want Bernie gone from Congress? Get the Vermont DNC to grow a spine and bar him from running in their primaries while also ending this backroom agreement they have with him that says if he promises to caucus with the Senate DNC then they won’t run a Dem against him. Right now, he only keeps his office because the choices on the ballot are him and a Republican.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:00:24pm

re: #3 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

“Samuel Benjamin Harris is an American author, philosopher, neuroscientist, critic of religion, blogger, public intellectual, and podcast host.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:02:21pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

“Samuel Benjamin Harris is an American author, philosopher, neuroscientist, critic of religion, blogger, public intellectual, and podcast host.”

And a racist, Islamophobic, misogynistic piece of shit….

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:02:31pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

Now they just need to adopt a tax return release rule.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:06:29pm

re: #3 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’m not familiar with this particular commentator, but I suspect I wouldn’t like what he writes.

Also, boo hoo hoo. Turns out terms of service actually mean something to some platforms.

Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, sometimes called one of the Four Horsemen (Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens, and Dennett). Some of his works include “The Moral Landscape” (an argument of why morality is an evolutionary trait and not a religious one) and “Letter to a Christian Nation” (on oppression of minority religions and atheism in the United States).

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:07:09pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

You want Bernie gone from Congress? Get the Vermont DNC to grow a spine and bar him from running in their primaries while also ending this backroom agreement they have with him that says if he promises to caucus with the Senate DNC then they won’t run a Dem against him. Right now, he only keeps his office because the choices on the ballot are him and a Republican.

Angus King caucuses with the Dems and there are no objections to him. We don’t want a situation where Vermont elects a Republican because Bernie and a Dem split the votes. This is a maneuver that can be explored only if the Dems ever again have a veto-proof majority in the Senate, and even then it’s likely to come back to bite us.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:14:20pm
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uriel  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:15:45pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin
Not sure how I feel about this. It would be nice to force Bernie to at least pay lip service to being a democrat before actually running as a democrat, and let the chips fall as they will.

But giving his devotees a reason to bitch about the neoliberals denying the lord and savior of all that is good and pure before the primaries even start might not be the best plan for winning them over in the general.

I mean, fuck- I still have Bernie-bro types on facebook telling me that that medicare for all would do more to address racism than *the entire civil rights movement.*

I don’t want to say these are people who need to be handled with kid gloves, but- these are people who need to be handled with kid gloves.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:22:38pm

re: #12 uriel

I prefer the idea of being a Democrat to run as a Democrat.

The hard-core bros are going to complain no matter what.

The idea of a political party is in exchange for being a member, you can use the party’s apparatus in a campaign.

The rule also weeds out crypto-Republicans who sometimes run as Democrats.

A church wouldn’t let me participate in its board for example.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:30:48pm

re: #12 uriel

Not sure how I feel about this. It would be nice to force Bernie to at least pay lip service to being a democrat before actually running as a democrat, and let the chips fall as they will.

But giving his devotees a reason to bitch about the neoliberals denying the lord and savior of all that is good and pure before the primaries even start might not be the best plan for winning them over in the general.

I mean, fuck- I still have Bernie-bro types on facebook telling me that that medicare for all would do more to address racism than *the entire civil rights movement.*

I don’t want to say these are people who need to be handled with kid gloves, but- these are people who need to be handled with kid gloves.

We cannot afford for them to take their ball and go home, leaving to a repeat of 2016, for which they have never taken responsibility and, to date, many continue to treat Hillary as evil incarnate and retain the belief that Bernie would have won. The only argument some find persuasive is that Bernie is too old and a younger person needs to be the nominee. Unfortunately, they still are opposed to a moderate on the ticket: it’s not just Hillary that they demonize, it’s anyone who doesn’t meet the “Bernie standard”. Let’s hope that this time, enough of them will understand the importance of compromise.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:34:40pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

Damn, I didn’t know in his Senate campaigns he would run as a Dem in the primaries, then once he won he would decline the party nomination and run in the general as an independent. To ensure there was no Dem in the general to split the vote

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Targetpractice  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:36:18pm

re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter

Angus King caucuses with the Dems and there are no objections to him. We don’t want a situation where Vermont elects a Republican because Bernie and a Dem split the votes. This is a maneuver that can be explored only if the Dems ever again have a veto-proof majority in the Senate, and even then it’s likely to come back to bite us.

No offense, but we want the situation that Bernie himself claims to promote: the ability for the voters to vote for someone whose beliefs/ideals match their own, rather than being forced to hold their nose and vote. If Bernie can’t win in a three-way race, if the vote will be so split between him and a Dem candidate that the Repub will win, then it’s obvious that he is not winning because the people of VT want him, but because they have no other choice.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:41:51pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹

I prefer the idea of being a Democrat to run as a Democrat.

The hard-core bros are going to complain no matter what.

The idea of a political party is in exchange for being a member, you can use the party’s apparatus in a campaign.

The rule also weeds out crypto-Republicans who sometimes run as Democrats.

A church wouldn’t let me participate in its board for example.

I think political junkies like us here, just because they’re so loud and so prominent on social media and blogs, have an extremely exaggerated idea of the number of hardcore BernieBros. I’m confident that they are a vanishingly small minority of the voting public—especially since most of them mainly bitch about who they won’t vote for and then…don’t vote.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:46:06pm

re: #17 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think political junkies like us here, just because they’re so loud and so prominent on social media and blogs, have an extremely exaggerated idea of the number of hardcore BernieBros. I’m confident that they are a vanishingly small minority of the voting public—especially since most of them mainly bitch about who they won’t vote for and then…don’t vote.

They do get amplification from the media reporting on social media trends, though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:48:43pm

I wonder where the GOP would score on the BITE model (used to define a cult).
freedomofmind.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 16, 2018 • 10:54:03pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

No offense, but we want the situation that Bernie himself claims to promote: the ability for the voters to vote for someone whose beliefs/ideals match their own, rather than being forced to hold their nose and vote. If Bernie can’t win in a three-way race, if the vote will be so split between him and a Dem candidate that the Repub will win, then it’s obvious that he is not winning because the people of VT want him, but because they have no other choice.

I don’t share those views: if you end up with a Republican because the Democrat and the left-leaning Independent split the vote, then we are far worse off. This happens in primaries all the time when there are more than 2 candidates: if multiple people who share similar views split the reasonable vote, the winner may not reflect the majority view of the public and may actually be a fringe candidate.

A true story that I told in the past: In the 1990’s my district was very Republican, but the old style socially liberal, fiscal moderate type of Republican. One year, there were 3 candidates in the Republican primary for a state representative: 2 women who were moderates and a very RW man. The 2 women split the vote, and the man won with less than 40% of the vote. The Dems were not running anyone because either of the women would have been a shoe-in for the office and no one expected this result. Of course the results also reflected the low turnout that often arise in many primary races.
In this case the story had a happy ending, because the Dems were able to get someone to run in the general election and she won, but only because the Republican was so extreme.

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Targetpractice  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:07:49pm

re: #20 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t share those views: if you end up with a Republican because the Democrat and the left-leaning Independent split the vote, then we are far worse off. This happens in primaries all the time when there are more than 2 candidates: if multiple people who share similar views split the reasonable vote, the winner may not reflect the majority view of the public and may actually be a fringe candidate.

A true story that I told in the past: In the 1990’s my district was very Republican, but the old style socially liberal, fiscal moderate type of Republican. One year, there were 3 candidates in the Republican primary for a state representative: 2 women who were moderates and a very RW man. The 2 women split the vote, and the man won with less than 40% of the vote. The Dems were not running anyone because either of the women would have been a shoe-in for the office and no one expected this result. Of course the results also reflected the low turnout that often arise in many primary races.
In this case the story had a happy ending, because the Dems were able to get someone to run in the general election and she won, but only because the Republican was so extreme.

That’s rather the reality of representative democracy: The guy who wins is not always going to be the one who gets 51%+ of the vote. The people who rail incessantly against a “duopoly” promote a guy who has a sweet deal going with the DNC so that there’s never more than two candidates on the ballot when he runs. So that the fringe candidate wins because the reasonable people would rather vote for him than allow the opposition to win.

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uriel  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:14:30pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹

I prefer the idea of being a Democrat to run as a Democrat.

The hard-core bros are going to complain no matter what.

The idea of a political party is in exchange for being a member, you can use the party’s apparatus in a campaign.

The rule also weeds out crypto-Republicans who sometimes run as Democrats.

A church wouldn’t let me participate in its board for example.

These are good points. Like I said, not sure how I feel about this.

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uriel  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:20:30pm

re: #14 Hecuba’s daughter

We cannot afford for them to take their ball and go home, leaving to a repeat of 2016, for which they have never taken responsibility and, to date, many continue to treat Hillary as evil incarnate and retain the belief that Bernie would have won. The only argument some find persuasive is that Bernie is too old and a younger person needs to be the nominee. Unfortunately, they still are opposed to a moderate on the ticket: it’s not just Hillary that they demonize, it’s anyone who doesn’t meet the “Bernie standard”. Let’s hope that this time, enough of them will understand the importance of compromise.

Well put. (I’m a bit in my cups at the moment trying to combat a terrible throat infection enough to slip into the sweet, sweet arms of sleep, so I can’t come up with anything cleverer than that. Just wanted to say I appreciate the response.)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:42:56pm

Could this be true?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2018 • 11:53:45pm
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JC1  Dec 17, 2018 • 12:01:19am

re: #7 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And a racist, Islamophobic, misogynistic piece of shit….

I think that’s pretty harsh and untrue. You can make the argument that he’s biased against certain sects of Islam, not Islam in general.
Why do you think that he’s racist and misogynistic?
On balance, I think that Sam is one of the good ones. What am I missing?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 17, 2018 • 12:14:45am

re: #26 JC1

I think that’s pretty harsh and untrue. You can make the argument that he’s biased against certain sects of Islam, not Islam in general.
Why do you think that he’s racist and misogynistic?
On balance, I think that Sam is one of the good ones. What am I missing?

Well, he’s a Charles Murray fan, for one thing…PZ has discussed him many times, with quotes, so you don’t have to take his word for it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 12:20:01am

Somewhat of an expansion on Dominionism, long-noted on atheist, secular, and some political blogs, but now starting to come to a wider audience.

Christian nationalists are trying to seize power — but progressives have a plan to fight back (Salon)

Subtitled: “Project Blitz” unveiled: Here’s the long-term plan aimed at maximizing the Christian right’s power and influence

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 12:29:07am

re: #24 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Could this be true?

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It certainly could be; the Trump Administration has about the same turnover rate as a minimum wage fast food joint, and a lower caliber of employees.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 12:30:43am

re: #27 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, he’s a Charles Murray fan, for one thing…PZ has discussed him many times, with quotes, so you don’t have to take his word for it.

The Young Turks (yes I know) dealt with Sam Harris in a very good ten minute segment.

Like many people, Harris has some really good ideas and some really awful ones.

Nobody Understands Poor Sam Harris

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JC1  Dec 17, 2018 • 12:32:08am

re: #27 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, he’s a Charles Murray fan, for one thing…PZ has discussed him many times, with quotes, so you don’t have to take his word for it.

It’s clear that PZ can’t stand Sam, since by his own admission he couldn’t bring himself to listen to the podcast and relied on others to do so and comment. He seems to have some of the same issues with Steven Pinker.

I’ve listened to several of Sam’s podcasts and I just don’t get the racist asshole vibe.
I’m also a big fan of Sam’s guided mindfulness meditation audio clips.

I also generally like PZ. Go figure.

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Targetpractice  Dec 17, 2018 • 12:41:05am

re: #24 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Could this be true?

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Rats from a sinking ship. Sticking around for another 2 years is unlikely to end in any way but a knife in the back and a 3am scathing tweet, so why stick around? They’re gonna follow Zinke out the door while they still have some measure of dignity left.

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Targetpractice  Dec 17, 2018 • 12:57:34am

Of course, an equally plausible (and much more fitting) reason for these rats to run is because in just over a month, the House Dems are going to have subpoena power and have made clear they intend to use it to its fullest. So they would rather run and fight any subpoenas as “private citizens” rather than being drug before the cameras to testify as Donny’s henchmen.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 17, 2018 • 1:16:04am

Then we should be able to shoot salmon fishermen to help the salmon, too. I mean fair is fair.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2018 • 1:17:02am

re: #3 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’m not familiar with this particular commentator, but I suspect I wouldn’t like what he writes.

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Also, boo hoo hoo. Turns out terms of service actually mean something to some platforms.

Harris is now all in with the racists. Good to know.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 17, 2018 • 1:22:10am

re: #35 Patricia Kayden

Harris is now all in with the racists. Good to know.

Ed Brayton’s talked about him a few times, too.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2018 • 1:38:33am

re: #36 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ed Brayton’s talked about him a few times, too.

Yeah, his anti-Muslim stance was a huge hint. Oh well. Good on Patreon for cracking down on hate speech and racists. That’s their right as a private company.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 1:43:37am

re: #31 JC1

It’s clear that PZ can’t stand Sam, since by his own admission he couldn’t bring himself to listen to the podcast and relied on others to do so and comment. He seems to have some of the same issues with Steven Pinker.

I’ve listened to several of Sam’s podcasts and I just don’t get the racist asshole vibe.
I’m also a big fan of Sam’s guided mindfulness meditation audio clips.

I also generally like PZ. Go figure.

——- ——-

As expected, every time I highlight some reactionary idiocy from Sam Harris, I wake up to a chorus of his fan boys urgently typing at me to tell me the rallying cry of the Harrisites everywhere: “HE DIDN’T REALLY SAY THAT”. Yeah, he did. He really does prefer Republican nutjob Ted Cruz over any of those ‘leftists’ he despises on foreign policy, because Muslims.

But at least it was Cruz, right? He didn’t say anything nice about Ben Carson, I would hope? Sorry to break your illusions, but another reader also told me I had to listen to his recent interview with British neocon, Douglas Murray. He was kind and told me I could skip almost all of it, and just zip up to the 1:56 mark.

Given a choice between Noam Chomsky and Ben Carson, in terms of the totality of their understanding of what’s happening now in the world, I’d vote for Ben Carson every time. Ben Carson is a dangerously deluded religious imbecile, Ben Carson does not…the fact that he is a candidate for president is a scandal…but at the very least he can be counted on to sort of get this one right. He understands that jihadists are the enemy.

Yeah, that’s right. Ben Carson is a religious imbecile, but according to Harris, he’s better qualified than some damn leftist on the basis of his foreign policy expertise, which consists of hating Islam almost as much as Sam Harris does.

Just think about that.

Sam Harris listens to Ben Carson and thinks he makes sense on Middle East policy.

freethoughtblogs.com

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451_Montag  Dec 17, 2018 • 2:18:52am

Sarh Huckabee Sanders is leaving.

rawstory.com

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 2:26:48am

re: #39 451_Montag

Sarh Huckabee Sanders is leaving.

rawstory.com

At this point, who isn’t?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 17, 2018 • 2:42:50am

re: #40 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

At this point, who isn’t?

tRump, Dim Son, Javanka, Stephen Miller, and John Bolton, unfortunately.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 3:06:29am

re: #39 451_Montag

Sarh Huckabee Sanders is leaving.

rawstory.com

Huh, I missed that bit of news.

Rats fleeing the sinking ship.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 3:08:34am

re: #41 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

tRump, Dim Son, Javanka, Stephen Miller, and John Bolton, unfortunately.

Meh, the kids I can understand - he’s their dad, after all.

Miller knows damned well he has no real future outside of working with Trump. Maybe being a talking head on One America News or FNC and making the rounds on the wingnut welfare circuit. Bolton’s at the end of his career…..he really doesn’t have anywhere else to go either.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 17, 2018 • 3:36:00am

This is a great thread: a black policeman arrested President Grant for driving his horse above the speed limit in DC….

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 3:50:04am

In Brexshit news, looks like PM May is indeed fully prepared to crash the UK out of the EU with no deal.

Asked when this announcement would come, the prime minister’s spokesman told journalists “shortly”.

The spokesman confirmed that Theresa May is prepared to take the UK out of the EU with no deal. He stressed that the government was still working to get a deal but, when asked if May was prepared to contemplate leaving the EU without one, he replied:

Yes. We are leaving the EU on March 29.

I will post a fuller summary shortly.

theguardian.com

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 3:57:02am

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

In Brexshit news, looks like PM May is indeed fully prepared to crash the UK out of the EU with no deal.

theguardian.com

Absolutely shambolic.

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Dizzy  Dec 17, 2018 • 3:59:32am

Seventeen!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 3:59:46am

re: #46 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Absolutely shambolic.

It is indeed. Britain’s politics have become utterly paralyzed by this freakshow.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:01:34am

re: #26 JC1

Harris is a huge supporter of Charles Murray who pushes “scientific racism”. Murray is the dude who claims that Blacks are inferior to Whites and that this can be proven through science. That Harris supports a racist is enough for me to consider him one too.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:09:48am

Regarding Brexit, someone at the Guardian posted this excellent comment about details that are being forgotten and their potential impact. I thought I’d share it.

Just to confirm, the government is spending £6.2bn of public money on preparing to leave the EU, and the Prime Minister has said that she’s prepared to leave without securing a withdrawal agreement, meaning that on the 30th of March next year all the international treaties that the UK has with and through the EU will vanish, with nothing to replace them.

People say “of course we’ll be able to fly to Europe, of course we’ll get medicines”, but on the 30th of March, if no withdrawal agreement is in place to protect them, the legal framework through which we interact with the EU on a number of issues will legally cease to exist. That’s what “no deal” is.

£6.2bn of public money and a PM who is willing to deliberately erase international legal instruments on which the health, security and wellbeing of people in the UK depend.

This is Brexit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:12:50am

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

It is indeed. Britain’s politics have become utterly paralyzed by this freakshow.

It is, to use a Britishism, an omnishambles. When a shambles is simply not big enough, when everything becomes a shambles.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:13:29am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

Regarding Brexit, someone at the Guardian posted this excellent comment about details that are being forgotten and their potential impact. I thought I’d share it.

This report by Sky News from last month gives a taste of what can happen to just-in-time supply chains, and how it will affect the average Briton.

Special report: Preparing for No-Deal

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:16:45am

re: #52 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I have a feeling that by the beginning of next year (only a couple of weeks away) quite a few large companies currently HQ’d in Britain are going to start rapidly accelerating their plans to depart to the EU proper.

And we’re probably going to start seeing more and more news stories about large-scale layoffs as well.

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:29:06am

re: #33 Targetpractice

The House may subpoena, but the Trump crime family may just not show up. Does the Speaker send out the Sergeant of Arms to haul them in?

And even if some of the crime family show up, they can just plead the 5th to every question.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:30:23am

re: #52 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This report by Sky News from last month gives a taste of what can happen to just-in-time supply chains, and how it will affect the average Briton.

Yikes. The police are considering calling on the military to maintain order on Brexit?

Conservatives will literally throw their country into civil disorder and chaos to maintain their grasp on power.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:32:09am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

I have a feeling that by the beginning of next year (only a couple of weeks away) quite a few large companies currently HQ’d in Britain are going to start rapidly accelerating their plans to depart to the EU proper.

And we’re probably going to start seeing more and more news stories about large-scale layoffs as well.

Financial institutions have already made those plans and most will relocate to Frankfurt, or so I understand. Logistics firms are particularly going to be hit hard, which is going to affect everyone depending on those lorries arriving as scheduled. May should resign and elections called to prevent this kind of self-inflicted disaster. The Queen is probably itching to tell the PM off, but constitutionally all HRM can do is advise, and clearly the PM is not taking any advice.

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:36:15am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:37:14am

gq.com

(An article from August about Trump trying to buy all the stories about him the National Enquirer killed)

As a reminder, Donald Trump mused about David Pecker getting hit by a truck. I presume everyone else who might get him sent to jail or made destitute would merit similar concern from him.

According to the (failing) New York Times, when Trump and noted felon Michael Cohen arranged to kill forthcoming stories about the president’s affairs with a Playboy Playmate and an adult-film star, they hoped to purchase a much more voluminous catalog: decades of dirt on Trump that had been assembled by The National Enquirer and its parent company, American Media. Although AMI’s chairman, David Pecker, is a longtime ally of the president, Trump and Cohen began to worry about what would happen to this treasure trove of bombshells—which were locked away in a literal safe—if Pecker were to leave the company or, perhaps, suffer an untimely fate.

“Maybe he gets hit by a truck,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. Pecker in a conversation with Mr. Cohen, musing about an unfortunate mishap befalling his good friend.

So when Rudy Giuliani says “over his dead body” that Trump or he testifies to Robert Mueller, he better be really sure Trump is using hyperbole.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:38:39am

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

Yikes. The police are considering calling on the military to maintain order on Brexit?

Conservatives will literally throw their country into civil disorder and chaos to maintain their grasp on power.

The police are preparing for the worst. The Tories are not preparing at all. I continue to be utterly baffled at how long this charade has been allowed to be carried as long as it has. It’s as if the captain of the Titanic gave the order to ram that iceberg at full speed ahead.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:41:40am

re: #57 freetoken

1957 in High Fidelity:

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Hey! My mother has that album! I remember that one as a child.

There’s also the Firestone Christmas albums, which she has all six volumes:

Favorite Christmas Carols from the Voice of Firestone (Volume 1)

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:46:16am

re: #59 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The police are preparing for the worst. The Tories are not preparing at all. I continue to be utterly baffled at how long this charade has been allowed to be carried as long as it has. It’s as if the captain of the Titanic gave the order to ram that iceberg at full speed ahead.

And the worst of it all is that a big part of this, economically speaking, is being driven by right-wing libertarian utopian fantasies. They’re no different than the Bolsheviks, quite frankly - the flip side of the same coin, the coin in this case being the politics of prophecy.

Pragmatism has gone out the window. Looks like the Brexiteers are quite content to pursue the Bane strategy…..crashing this plane economy with no survivors (except for themselves).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 4:54:47am

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

And the worst of it all is that a big part of this, economically speaking, is being driven by right-wing libertarian utopian fantasies. They’re no different than the Bolsheviks, quite frankly - the flip side of the same coin, the coin in this case being the politics of prophecy.

Pragmatism has gone out the window. Looks like the Brexiteers are quite content to pursue the Bane strategy…..crashing this plane economy with no survivors (except for themselves).

And in the USA the same kind of blind devotion to warped ideology is driving Trump’s Wall and GOP xenophobia. You cannot have a border wall and tight border controls while also supporting a trilateral trade deal (NAFTA 2.0). The immigration delays will gum up transportation and logistics, because you know ICE and the Border cops will want to inspect every single truck coming from Mexico into the USA for human cargo.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:03:34am

re: #62 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Political utopianism is a scourge.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:09:33am
The European Union is not planning any more meetings with the U.K. on Brexit despite Prime Minister Theresa May warning EU leaders that her deal is almost dead.

“No further meetings with the U.K. are foreseen,” European Commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas told reporters on Monday in Brussels. “On the EU side, we have started the process of ratification.”

EU leaders rebuffed May’s requests for more help in selling the deal to the U.K. Parliament at a summit last week. During a meeting with the leaders of France, Germany and the Netherlands on Friday she told them that the Brexit agreement is dead unless they offer further concessions, according to a person familiar with the matter.

“The deal that’s on the table is the best, the only deal possible,” Schinas said. “We will not reopen it; it will not be renegotiated.”

bloomberg.com

As Robert De Niro said at the end of Casino…..”and that’s that.”

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jeffreyw  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:12:22am

Imgur


Good morning!

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steve_davis  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:28:56am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

Regarding Brexit, someone at the Guardian posted this excellent comment about details that are being forgotten and their potential impact. I thought I’d share it.

this is going to be bad. the nazis didn’t just arrive in Germany one day. they got marinated for a long period while paper money got turned into wallpaper. Great Britain may look like a bastion of western european civilization, but when the pound crashes out, the political party that goes about fixing things isn’t going to be one that people see as having had a hand in the destruction.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:37:46am

re: #66 steve_davis

Yeah…..this is going to be bad and I can’t shake the feeling that despite what the Brexiteers think, no utopian fantasy land is just ‘round the corner.

In many ways, they’re still dealing with the fallout of the 2008 global crash - this is only going to make matters worse, at least in my opinion.

Off to work.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:38:00am

re: #46 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Absolutely shambolic.

Paul Krugman thread on hard Brexit:

What most worries me is the possibility that the Troubles will return to Ireland if the border is closed, which would be a totally unwarranted tragedy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:42:09am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

Hey! My mother has that album! I remember that one as a child.

There’s also the Firestone Christmas albums, which she has all six volumes:

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I remember hearing The Voice of Firestone on radio and seeing it on TV in the early 60s. Classical music showcase.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:47:33am

re: #54 freetoken

The House may subpoena, but the Trump crime family may just not show up. Does the Speaker send out the Sergeant of Arms to haul them in?

And even if some of the crime family show up, they can just plead the 5th to every question.

That will be something I’d like to see; Jarvanka sitting next to their lawyers pleading the Fifth on National TV.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:56:51am

re: #70 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That will be something I’d like to see; Jarvanka sitting next to their lawyers pleading the Fifth on National TV.

Pleading the Fifth is any accused person’s right, since it is up to the State (or in this case the House) to prove its claims. That makes it harder for the House than a confession on live television, but not impossible.

Moreover, the House still has the power of the subpoena for information (as long as they are not on a fishing trip).

I suspect Jarvanka would fight every last subpoena. That costs oodles of money.

That doesn’t even address what state courts and the EDNY and SDNY want to do.

They are going to be broke.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:00:02am

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

EU leaders rebuffed May’s requests for more help in selling the deal to the U.K. Parliament at a summit last week. During a meeting with the leaders of France, Germany and the Netherlands on Friday she told them that the Brexit agreement is dead unless they offer further concessions, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Sounds like a funny kind of reasoning.

“We held a public referendum to secede from the EU so we can go off by ourselves and do our thing. The EU stinks, like making us accept all kinds of immigrants, and oh by the way, in order for us to Leave, the EU needs to offer Yuuuuuge more concessions.”

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:01:29am

re: #59 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The police are preparing for the worst. The Tories are not preparing at all. I continue to be utterly baffled at how long this charade has been allowed to be carried as long as it has. It’s as if the captain of the Titanic gave the order to ram that iceberg at full speed ahead.

Titanic heading for the ice berg, demanding the ice berg surrender.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:14:52am

re: #72 Sir John Barron

Sounds like a funny kind of reasoning.

“We held a public referendum to secede from the EU so we can go off by ourselves and do our thing. The EU stinks, like making us accept all kinds of immigrants, and oh by the way, in order for us to Leave, the EU needs to offer Yuuuuuge more concessions.”

May appears not to understand she has no leverage. I don’t understand why she won’t consider getting out of this bind by scheduling a referendum on the options: her deal, hard brexit or remain, instead of just insisting that the UK is leaving March 29, deal or no deal.

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:16:20am

re: #70 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That will be something I’d like to see; Jarvanka sitting next to their lawyers pleading the Fifth on National TV.

The Trumpers will love their martyrs all the more.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:19:41am

re: #75 freetoken

The Trumpers will love their martyrs all the more.


Whatabout?
Whatabout?
Whatabout?
Whatabout?
Whatabout?
Whatabout?
Whatabout?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:21:17am

re: #75 freetoken

The Trumpers will love their martyrs all the more.

Of course they will; but they are a lost cause. Its the 5% who neither approve or disapprove of Trump whose attention I want to get. In 2020 it would be nice to get close to 55% of the vote for the Democratic nominee, and get at least 50 seats in the US Senate, plus as many governorships and state legislatures as possible.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:27:03am

re: #74 NO SMOCKING GUN!

May appears not to understand she has no leverage. I don’t understand why she won’t consider getting out of this bind by scheduling a referendum on the options: her deal, hard brexit or remain, instead of just insisting that the UK is leaving March 29, deal or no deal.

To me she appears to be unwilling to tell her pro-Brexit base that this is insane, because her party would lose their support and her government might fall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:30:11am
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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:31:13am

Because of course:

Putin says rap music should be state guided

Russian President Vladimir Putin is cracking down on rap music, saying it is an important part of pop culture but needs to be guided by the state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:33:08am

moron

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:35:35am

Because thousands are dying due to violence, the military wants to shut down reports:

Nigerian military calls for Amnesty International ban

Nigeria’s army has called for the closure of Amnesty International’s operations in the country.

In a report on Monday, the human rights group said at least 3,641 people had died in clashes between farmers and herders in Nigeria since 2016.

[…]

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:36:52am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

The DEDUCTIBLE which comes with ObamaCare is so high that it is practically not even useable! Hurts families badly. We have a chance, working with the Democrats, to deliver great HealthCare! A confirming Supreme Court Decision will lead to GREAT HealthCare results for Americans!

— Donald J. Trump

Isn’t the DEDUCTIBLE meant to save the government money, help keep the use and therefore costs of healthcare lower and thereby…..

Oh never mind……

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:37:11am

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:37:13am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

the outside world blowing up around us, Paris is burning and China way down, the Fed is even considering yet another interest rate hike. Take the Victory!

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:37:34am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is incredible that with a very strong dollar and virtually no inflation, the outside world blowing up around us, Paris is burning and China way down, the Fed is even considering yet another interest rate hike. Take the Victory!

— Donald J. Trump

Take the Victory? Where do we take it?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:38:14am

re: #86 Sir John Barron

Take the Victory? Where do we take it?

To a movie? Out for pizza?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:38:50am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

To me she appears to be unwilling to tell her pro-Brexit base that this is insane, because her party would lose their support and her government might fall.

Its going to fall anyway when they get hit by the recession hard brexit causes and millions lose their jobs.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:40:00am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

The DEDUCTIBLE which comes with ObamaCare is so high that it is practically not even useable! Hurts families badly. We have a chance, working with the Democrats, to deliver great HealthCare! A confirming Supreme Court Decision will lead to GREAT HealthCare results for Americans!

— Donald J. Trump

There’s already been “a confirming Supreme Court Decision”. Two of them in fact.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:41:37am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

The DEDUCTIBLE which comes with ObamaCare is so high that it is practically not even useable! Hurts families badly. We have a chance, working with the Democrats, to deliver great HealthCare! A confirming Supreme Court Decision will lead to GREAT HealthCare results for Americans!

— Donald J. Trump

Narrator: DJT has no idea what the DEDUCTIBLE or DEDUCTIBLES are in the various Ocare plans.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:42:39am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:43:04am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:45:47am

re: #89 Sir John Barron

There’s already been “a confirming Supreme Court Decision”. Two of them in fact.

I’m pretty confident that Roberts isn’t going to uphold the ludicrous opinion of the rightwing activist judge in Texas. His bizarre theory appears to be that the current Congress’ had no intent about whether the mandate was severable because budget reconciliation wouldn’t allow repeal of the entire ACA, therefore he had to look at the intent of the 2010 Congress, which is bonkers. Budget Reconciliation was used to repeal the individual mandate because Congress had absolutely no intent to repeal the ACA; it demonstrated when Obama was President that if it intended to repeal the ACA, it could pass a bill to repeal the ACA.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:45:58am

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:47:19am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anytime you hear a Democrat saying that you can have good Boarder Security without a Wall, write them off as just another politician following the party line. Time for us to save billions of dollars a year and have, at the same time, far greater safety and control!

— Donald J. Trump

“We’ve already built The Wall, Mexico will pay for The Wall, and we need more $$billions$$ to build The Wall to save more $$billions$$.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:47:56am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:50:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:02:26am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:06:40am
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:07:19am

re: #82 freetoken

That’s sad to hear. The Nigerian government should intervene and work out the conflicts between the farmers and the herders. Going after the UN is utter nonsense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:08:14am
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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:11:46am

This is some video. Let us all hope.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:13:10am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:14:06am

re: #14 Hecuba’s daughter

We cannot afford for them to take their ball and go home, leaving to a repeat of 2016, for which they have never taken responsibility and, to date, many continue to treat Hillary as evil incarnate and retain the belief that Bernie would have won. The only argument some find persuasive is that Bernie is too old and a younger person needs to be the nominee. Unfortunately, they still are opposed to a moderate on the ticket: it’s not just Hillary that they demonize, it’s anyone who doesn’t meet the “Bernie standard”. Let’s hope that this time, enough of them will understand the importance of compromise.

The problem is, they will take their ball and go home unless Bernie is either eliminated really early or becomes the nominee, and I’m not even sure about the eliminated early part. He represents the whites in the party who just really don’t care about anyone else. His immigration votes match Republicans; his stance on guns only changed because he ran for president. He’s the “if you just wait long enough, blacks, Latinos, and women, we’ll make things better for you” candidate.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:17:00am
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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:18:05am

re: #104 Belafon

The problem is, they will take their ball and go home unless Bernie is either eliminated really early or becomes the nominee, and I’m not even sure about the eliminated early part. He represents the whites in the party who just really don’t care about anyone else. His immigration votes match Republicans; his stance on guns only changed because he ran for president. He’s the “if you just wait long enough, blacks, Latinos, and women, we’ll make things better for you” candidate.

Want proof?

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Alephnaught  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:18:16am

Fun and games in Brexit-land.

NOTE: This is a motion of no confidence in the PM, not the government. (The latter would force a General Election.)

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:19:12am

Mitch got a place on the wall of shame…

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:21:44am

re: #105 MsJ

I will take any pair of the following:
Beto O’Rourke
Kamala Harris
Chris Murphy
Sherrod Brown
I know there are others that I can’t think of right now.

I would only take Kennedy as VP.

I don’t want Biden, Warren, or Sanders only any list. Sorry.

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:23:04am

re: #105 MsJ

re: #106 MsJ

Bernie still is getting about one fourth of the votes in that poll you linked.

Sure, the two white guys lead (Joe, Beto), so I guess they have a chance of actually winning if they won (unlike the women)…

But still, if Bernie wants the Democratic nomination then he should declare that he is a member of the Democratic party. I don’t know why the BernieBots seem so insistent on ignoring that Bernie refuses to commit to the Democratic party.

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Jay C  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:23:08am

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, according to the BBC, Mrs. May is digging in even more-firmly against the idea of another Brexit referendum: her excuse this time is that it would “break faith with the British people”: i.e. still clinging to the notion that the original Leave vote was some sort of divine mandate (rather than - basically - an official national opinion poll), and seeming to give Parliament little more than a take-it-or-leave-it “offer” on the Government “plan”.

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:23:11am

re: #106 MsJ

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:25:11am

re: #104 Belafon

The problem is, they will take their ball and go home unless Bernie is either eliminated really early or becomes the nominee, and I’m not even sure about the eliminated early part. He represents the whites in the party who just really don’t care about anyone else. His immigration votes match Republicans; his stance on guns only changed because he ran for president. He’s the “if you just wait long enough, blacks, Latinos, and women, we’ll make things better for you” candidate.

In 2016 Johnson and Stein combined for more than 4 million more votes than they got in 2012. I’m confident that after seeing just what a disaster Trump is and with a more popular Democratic nominee, those numbers will go back down and Trump will be easily defeated. Millions of those voters aren’t hardcore Bernie Bros, they had just been thoroughly saturated in media Clinton bashing, and they aren’t going to make the same mistake two elections in a row and risk putting Trump back in the WH.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:25:48am

re: #109 Belafon

I will take any pair of the following:
Beto O’Rourke
Kamala Harris
Chris Murphy
Sherrod Brown
I know there are others that I can’t think of right now.

I would only take Kennedy as VP.

I don’t want Biden, Warren, or Sanders only any list. Sorry.

Sounds right to me even though the Biden book we got my uncle “signed” by Biden for his 75th birthday says Joe is considering him. :) But all seriousness, Harris/Beto would be my ticket. Maybe consider Booker too.

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:26:21am

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In 2016 Johnson and Stein combined for more than 4 million more votes than they got in 2012. I’m confident that after seeing just what a disaster Trump is and with a more popular Democratic nominee, those numbers will go back down and Trump will be easily defeated. Millions of those voters aren’t hardcore Bernie Bros, they had just been thoroughly saturated in media Clinton bashing, and they aren’t going to make the same mistake two elections in a row and risk putting Trump back in the WH.

I agree.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:26:26am

re: #105 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:27:21am

re: #110 freetoken

Bernie still is getting about one fourth of the votes in that poll you linked.

Sure, the two white guys lead (Joe, Beto), so I guess they have a chance of actually winning if they won (unlike the women)…

But still, if Bernie wants the Democratic nomination then he should declare that he is a member of the Democratic party. I don’t know why the BernieBots seem so insistent on ignoring that Bernie refuses to commit to the Democratic party.

It’s pretty arrogant I say since they claim Bernie is the true voice of the party. A party he has disparaged on numerous occasions.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:27:54am

re: #116 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m with the 50% voting Biden/O’Rourke

I’d pair Biden with a woman or PoC.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:28:45am

re: #106 MsJ

Want proof?

Just scrolling through that person’s thread, almost everything is retweets and the only original post was that one. One wonders how much of a voter that person is.

Moreover, the ol’ “corporate Democrats” line is not going to be overturned with reason any more than a Trump supporter is.

The Democrats focus should be on the voters who are Democrats, and those who did not vote. That is more than enough to win an election.

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:29:29am

Another outlet that tries to cover for Trump:

No, many, or even most, of us don’t do “slip ups” like Trump.

More importantly, as President, Trump can have an entire staff check his statements. He should. He doesn’t. And that is the problem.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:29:38am

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In 2016 Johnson and Stein combined for more than 4 million more votes than they got in 2012. I’m confident that after seeing just what a disaster Trump is and with a more popular Democratic nominee, those numbers will go back down and Trump will be easily defeated. Millions of those voters aren’t hardcore Bernie Bros, they had just been thoroughly saturated in media Clinton bashing, and they aren’t going to make the same mistake two elections in a row and risk putting Trump back in the WH.

You have waaaaay too much confidence in the intelligence of Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:30:09am

The Bros seem to really despise Harris I noticed and Elizabeth Bruenig had another Beto bashing in the Post yesterday saying he’s too much like Obama. Dunno but I’ll take that given Obama did more than any President for lgbt Americans and got health care reform passed.

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Jay C  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:30:29am

re: #109 Belafon

I will take any pair of the following:
Beto O’Rourke
Kamala Harris
Chris Murphy
Sherrod Brown
I know there are others that I can’t think of right now.

.

And these are the Dem figures that that BernieBro clown seems to believe are “kleptocrats”??

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:30:41am

re: #111 Jay C

So, according to the BBC, Mrs. May is digging in even more-firmly against the idea of another Brexit referendum: her excuse this time is that it would “break faith with the British people”: i.e. still clinging to the notion that the original Leave vote was some sort of divine mandate (rather than - basically - an official national opinion poll), and seeming to give Parliament little more than a take-it-or-leave-it “offer” on the Government “plan”.

Obviously asking the British people if they like the shit sandwich being offered instead of the pie-in-the-sky they were promised is breaking faith with them.//

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:31:54am

re: #113 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In 2016 Johnson and Stein combined for more than 4 million more votes than they got in 2012. I’m confident that after seeing just what a disaster Trump is and with a more popular Democratic nominee, those numbers will go back down and Trump will be easily defeated. Millions of those voters aren’t hardcore Bernie Bros, they had just been thoroughly saturated in media Clinton bashing, and they aren’t going to make the same mistake two elections in a row and risk putting Trump back in the WH.

I wish I had your confidence that people are smarter than this.

After all, everyone was warning that Trump in the WH would result in the Supreme Court and judiciary getting overrun with right wing extremists who would actively subvert the Constitution and ignore the rule of law to impose their regressive ideology. The GOP has put in place a bunch of the most unqualified judges on the bench in decades. And they’ll be affecting decisions for decades to come.

We warned them, and they didn’t care. Purity ponies. And they’re still at it.

Democrats don’t owe Bernie anything. It’s the other way. Bernie is another entitled angry white guy who thinks the Democrats should pander to angry white guys, and everyone else should hope that their boat gets lifted with the white guys.

That’s not the demographic tale of the tape, and it ignores that the majority of Democrats don’t care for Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:32:31am

Let Bernie run and then hit him hard on his lack of transparency. Let Bernie know he’s not Mr. Clean. Let Bernie know that his anti immigration record isn’t forgotten nor his hypocrisy on gun manufacturers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:37:01am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:38:21am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I’d pair Biden with a woman or PoC.

Of course I was only choosing from the options given in the poll, but I really want to see a PoC on the ticket as well. When they are close to half the party and turning their vote out is critical to Democrats chances, they need to be represented on the ticket.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:38:22am

TBH I don’t even find Bernie that inspiring. He’s always angry. It’s not about how we can be a better country, it’s we suck and my vision is our only hope. In that way, and there are others, Bernie isn’t that different from how he conducts himself than Trump and it’s a shame more can’t see that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:39:28am

re: #128 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Of course I was only choosing from the options given in the poll, but I really want to see a PoC on the ticket as well. When they are close to half the party and turning their vote out is critical to Democrats chances, they need to be represented on the ticket.

Ah true. I really like Harris.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:40:58am

re: #121 MsJ

You have waaaaay too much confidence in the intelligence of Americans.

We better hope not. We did, after all elect Obama President twice, and Trump only fooled 46% of the voters, so there is sound reason to hope.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:42:38am

I always criticize Bernie from the left tbh because I think it’s more persuasive than from the right. I’m proud that Steve King would hate my views on immigration and that the NRA would never pass me and that I can talk about working class people without dismissing women and PoC especially since that group overlaps more than white and male. Or I don’t excuse racism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:43:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:44:55am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:45:20am

re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We better hope not. We did, after all elect Obama President twice, and Trump only fooled 46% of the voters, so there is sound reason to hope.

Yup. I’m reminded of the emoji tweet that was sent showing a whole slew of white guys and one white woman elected by the GOP, and a panoply of women and men elected by the Democrats to the House.

The party is diverse, and its leadership should reflect diversity.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:46:20am

re: #109 Belafon

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Of the list given, while I would, of course, vote for whomever is the D ticket, I prefer Joe/Beto. The only one that I would prefer, actually.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:46:33am

BWAHAHAHAHA

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:48:19am

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

Just scrolling through that person’s thread, almost everything is retweets and the only original post was that one. One wonders how much of a voter that person is.

Moreover, the ol’ “corporate Democrats” line is not going to be overturned with reason any more than a Trump supporter is.

The Democrats focus should be on the voters who are Democrats, and those who did not vote. That is more than enough to win an election.

It’s actually interesting because I don’t do Follow Back and normally don’t follow anyone who doesn’t offer something (insight, quality RTs, etc.) And I am definitely not into following any Bernie people (I stopped following a bunch during the election cycle).

I might have to reevaluate. :-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:48:45am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:50:13am

re: #125 lawhawk

I wish I had your confidence that people are smarter than this.

After all, everyone was warning that Trump in the WH would result in the Supreme Court and judiciary getting overrun with right wing extremists who would actively subvert the Constitution and ignore the rule of law to impose their regressive ideology. The GOP has put in place a bunch of the most unqualified judges on the bench in decades. And they’ll be affecting decisions for decades to come.

We warned them, and they didn’t care. Purity ponies. And they’re still at it.

Democrats don’t owe Bernie anything. It’s the other way. Bernie is another entitled angry white guy who thinks the Democrats should pander to angry white guys, and everyone else should hope that their boat gets lifted with the white guys.

That’s not the demographic tale of the tape, and it ignores that the majority of Democrats don’t care for Bernie.

Trump got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Mitt Romney did in 2012, but almost everyone else voted for Obama because he was popular, while millions who didn’t like Trump voted for Johnson or Stein or stayed home in 2016 because they didn’t like Clinton either. It would be difficult for the Democrats to find a nominee as disliked as Clinton because the GOP spent decades demonizing her, and her private email server fell into their laps like a gift from the Gods so the MSM demonized her even more. She still almost won anyway, then Comey dropped his October surprise and Trump squeaked through. IMO, it will be very difficult for Trump to recreate the serendipitous events that allowed him to gain an electoral college majority despite his unpopularity, and the fact that the Democrats won a resounding victory in the midterms even while we fretted that they would screw it up somehow is good reason for optimism in 2020.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:50:37am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:51:45am

It’s way past bedtime, so I’m out for now.

Save all the pineapple pieces off pizzas for me.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:55:06am

re: #136 MsJ

Of the list given, while I would, of course, vote for whomever is the D ticket, I prefer Joe/Beto. The only one that I would prefer, actually.

AnyDem/Whoever 2020
It’s important.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:55:52am

re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We better hope not. We did, after all elect Obama President twice, and Trump only fooled 46% of the voters, so there is sound reason to hope.

I remain hopeful but remember, if you look at who can inspire people, trump and Obama are doing the same thing (bear with me here).

Obama inspired hope and goodness and light. trump inspired people with his horseshit “I am a billionaire and you love me for that!” Obama inspired love where trump inspires hate. In trump, his rhetoric was simplistic where people (often desperate people) could put his words and make them fit literally any situation (it will be the best! believe me! where the best was not defined, so Person A applied it to jobs where Person B applied it to healthcare).

I don’t see any path to trump winning again, even if democrats put up, well, anyone. A republican, sure, but not trump. Alas, every republican is trump, just with less criminality.

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:57:53am

More indictments… this time from EDVA and relate to Flynn’s business buddies. It’s specifically related to efforts to extradite Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:58:04am

I think Trump is going to be at an disadvantage as an incumbent. As a challenger, he was an empty canvas. As an incumbent, we know what we have. Now ideally, I’d love a landslide but I also know that he’s probably guaranteed at least 40% of even 45% of the popular vote unfortunately but I think he won’t be favored. If we get the electorate we got this fall and I think we will and more, we will win big.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:58:52am

re: #120 freetoken

Another outlet that tries to cover for Trump:

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No, many, or even most, of us don’t do “slip ups” like Trump.

More importantly, as President, Trump can have an entire staff check his statements. He should. He doesn’t. And that is the problem.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:00:28am

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

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His misspellings aren’t deliberate. God the excuses these idiots will make for him. He’s not clever enough to do that. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need more covefee.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:03:17am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:04:06am

Meet SAM: The Safe Space For Trump-Hating Republicans, At Least Until Trump’s Out Of Office (Wonkette)

The current Republican Party is full of white supremacists, indicted grifters, and Donald Trump. It’s frankly embarrassing to hang with them if you’re an old-school conservative who just wants to help rich people avoid taxes. So maybe it’s time to move on? Facebook kindly targeted The Atlantic political editor Garance Franke-Ruta with ads this weekend about a shiny new political party, SAM. What is SAM? SAM stands for the “Serve America Movement,” and it offers an alternative to both major parties, which it claims “only care about money and power.” That sounds like a more accurate criticism of Republicans, who try to ignore the outcomes of elections when they don’t outright steal them. SAM is instead pushing the “both sides suck” argument, which makes us wonder if it’s a Jill Stein front.

But no, it’s moderately worse than that. Business Insider reported back in April that SAM is the work of former staffers from George W. Bush’s non-award-winning administration. Bush was previously the title holder of “Worst President Ever” until Trump, who was the next Republican to win. I detect a pattern.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:06:06am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

I think Trump is going to be at an disadvantage as an incumbent. As a challenger, he was an empty canvas. As an incumbent, we know what we have. Now ideally, I’d love a landslide but I also know th - perat he’s probably guaranteed at least 40% of even 45% of the popular vote unfortunately but I think he won’t be favored. If we get the electorate we got this fall and I think we will and more, we will win big.

I see a guarantee of 35 at best. Above that would require people who always vote GOP to dismiss all of his crimes (which are growing more and more and even trump supporters are starting to see it - per this morning’s iPhone notification from CNN). I do not see 40% for trump. Another republican perhaps, but not trump. And to be honest, i think all republicans are going to be in a bad place in 2020 because too many people see that republicans do not see themselves as being within the law, only above it. It is not a good look for most Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:07:29am

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹

Meet SAM: The Safe Space For Trump-Hating Republicans, At Least Until Trump’s Out Of Office (Wonkette)

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I have to while I appreciate his criticisms of Trump refreshing wonder what the end game for someone like George Conway is. His wife is in one wing of the GOP and he’s in another. One will prevail. There was a great review of all the anti-Trump books by people like Wilson, Boot, and others in the Post yesterday pointing out that these guys never look at their own roles in why someone like Trump would have palatable in the first place. Carlos Lozada especially singled out Boot for not having by his own admission actually read what Barry Goldwater said.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:08:42am

re: #151 MsJ

I see a guarantee of 35 at best. Above that would require people who always vote GOP to dismiss all of his crimes (which are growing more and more and even trump supporters are starting to see it - per this morning’s iPhone notification from CNN). I do not see 40% for trump. Another republican perhaps, but not trump. And to be honest, i think all republicans are going to be in a bad place in 2020 because too many people see that republicans do not see themselves as being within the law, only above it. It is not a good look for most Americans.

Yeah I think 2020 is going to be a bad year to be a Republican. Hopefully we see one of McConnell or Cornyn wiped out, unlikely but the right candidate and electorate could cause some upsets.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:09:46am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:09:57am

We need transparency in our next candidate though guys so a two bit conman like Trump can’t run in 2024 and we find ourselves in the same mess. That alone I think is a great argument against Bernie. Bernie won’t disclose his tax records either. That’s why I think we shouldn’t humor the Bernistas by saying “He’s too left wing to be elected.” NO, the problem with Bernie is too much like Trump.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:13:36am

re: #144 MsJ

I remain hopeful but remember, if you look at who can inspire people, trump and Obama are doing the same thing (bear with me here).

Obama inspired hope and goodness and light. trump inspired people with his horseshit “I am a billionaire and you love me for that!” Obama inspired love where trump inspires hate. In trump, his rhetoric was simplistic where people (often desperate people) could put his words and make them fit literally any situation (it will be the best! believe me! where the best was not defined, so Person A applied it to jobs where Person B applied it to healthcare).

I don’t see any path to trump winning again, even if democrats put up, well, anyone. A republican, sure, but not trump. Alas, every republican is trump, just with less criminality.

Well yeah, obviously at some point down the road enough voters are going to be fooled by a GOP candidate’s bullshit to elect one President, with the help of a Green candidate saying “both parties are the same.” But I don’t think that will be in 2020. For one thing, the news over the next two years is going to be dominated by the criminality of the Trump Administration.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:18:30am

The Green Party stuff honestly works in years like 2000 and 2016 when we have lefty voters who get selfish due to two terms of Democratic presidents and forgetful that yeah there is a significant difference between a Dem and a Republican. Just like Nader didn’t knee cap Kerry in 2004 nor did McKinney knee cap Obama in 2008 or Stein in 2012. So I’m not worried about it for 2020. I do think lefty voters need to be smarter though because Jill Stein’s rise was the exact sort of thing that happened in 2000 with Gore/Nader.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:21:00am

re: #154 MsJ

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her TL is a firehose of crazy (she RTs Katie Hopkins, lol)

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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:24:07am

Cernovich has a sad…

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:27:42am

re: #159 makeitstop

Cernovich is upset that white nationalists and goddamned Nazis are going to be driven from positions of power and will be forced back into the deeper recesses of the American political system.

Fuck him. They deserve to be driven from the American political system entirely. The GOP refuses to do the job, so it is up to the rest of us to make sure that these fuckers don’t ever get a hold on power.

They’re concerned they wont be able to open a bank account? What kind of criminal acts are doing that a bank wont offer you an account? Money laundering? Fraud? Trump level crimes?

So far, it’s the goddamned Nazis who have an active body count of people they’ve murdered. They’re the clear and present danger to the nation. Antifa is a deflection from the right wing agenda.

Yeah, that’s where this is heading for Cernovich.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:29:33am

re: #159 makeitstop

Cernovich has a sad…

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You’re going to be worse than murdered Mike. You’re going to be irrelevant. You’re going ot be just another angry douchebag with a Twitter account now that your manchild Trump is on his way out of office and hopefully into a cell or non-stop litigation for the rest of his miserable life. By the way, who’s the snowflake now motherfucker?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:30:48am

Can Cernovich name one conservative “murdered” by Antifa? Oh you got made to feel uncomfortable? That’s nice. Ever hear of Heather Heyer tough guy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:32:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:40:41am

not all heroes wear capes:

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plansbandc  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:41:01am

re: #116 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Me too, but whoever wins the primary gets my vote in the general. Even if it’s Bernie. But it won’t be Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:43:16am

re: #165 plansbandc

Me too, but whoever wins the primary gets my vote in the general. Even if it’s Bernie. But it won’t be Bernie.

It won’t be Bernie because Bernie performs like a Republican with PoC voters. A Democratic nominee can’t and shouldn’t be someone who performs that poorly with such a vital part of our base. I don’t want our nominee to be a 79 year old white guy from a state 95%(technically 94.7%) white. If he had more of an understanding about why PoC issues matter just as much as wealth inequality and some of the other issues he talks about, then I could deal with it.

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:45:39am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

He’s also failed to be transparent about his financial dealings and is turning to be a left wing version of Trump, only poorer (because he didn’t inherit his wealth from his dad as Trump did).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:45:47am

And if Bernie fans think Jill won’t pull the same shit on Bernie, they’re delusional as hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:46:14am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:46:42am

re: #167 lawhawk

He’s also failed to be transparent about his financial dealings and is turning to be a left wing version of Trump, only poorer (because he didn’t inherit his wealth from his dad as Trump did).

Absolutely. As I said there are a lot of legitimate criticisms of Bernie to be made that have nothing to do with his political views. And yeah I’m sad to say it since I admired him as of two winters ago but he is more like Trump than he’s not.

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:49:22am

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Morning!

Well, actually almost good afternoon.

That second image in the tweet thread reminded me of the images over the weekend of Kent State Gun Gurl.

I guess it is the color and shape.

Must have been the comment yesterday about a raw chicken. Hey, eggs come from chickens.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:49:33am

re: #159 makeitstop

Cernovich has a sad…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:51:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:53:11am
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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:53:53am

re: #160 lawhawk

Cernovich is upset that white nationalists and goddamned Nazis are going to be driven from positions of power and will be forced back into the deeper recesses of the American political system.

GOOD! They should be driven out of polite society. Completely!

They’re concerned they wont be able to open a bank account? What kind of criminal acts are doing that a bank wont offer you an account? Money laundering? Fraud? Trump level crimes?

Poor little Nazi’s are unhappy that PayPal and the other online payment platforms won’t support them any longer.

I cannot imagine why companies (like almost every single one) does not want their brand associated with fucking murderous assholes .

So far, it’s the goddamned Nazis who have an active body count of people they’ve murdered. They’re the clear and present danger to the nation. Antifa is a deflection from the right wing agenda.

Fucking Right!

Yeah, that’s where this is heading for Cernovich.

Good. Great, actually.

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sagehen  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:54:13am

re: #160 lawhawk

Cernovich is upset that white nationalists and goddamned Nazis are going to be driven from positions of power and will be forced back into the deeper recesses of the American political system.

Fuck him. They deserve to be driven from the American political system WORLD entirely. The GOP refuses to do the job, so it is up to the rest of us to make sure that these fuckers don’t ever get a hold on power.

The proper way to treat Nazis:

Americans used to understand that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:54:26am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Crazy family story here but both my mom and dad had an uncle and aunt that went to LA from Pennsylvania in the 50’s. Don’t know what brought them out there specifically but it’s interesting to me. I actually did meet my Dad’s aunt who was the only one of his aunts and uncles I ever met. But Mom’s uncle just disappeared and went West after Mom’s grandmother died in 1950. In my early ancestral research while my Grandpa was still alive, I was able to verify to him that his brother died in 1998. I do wish I could have somehow gotten the brothers in touch with each other. Uncle Eddie was Grandpa’s closest brother in age but I don’t know how close they were. The funny thing though is Aunt Ruth’s first husband and Uncle Eddie ended up being buried in the same cemetery in California.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:54:39am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

not all heroes wear capes:

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Some sadistic psychopath did that to those turtles. Sick, sick, sick.

Glad this guy was able to help them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:55:09am

re: #176 sagehen

The proper way to treat Nazis:

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Americans used to understand that.

“Come on, we should respect Hitler’s opinions. They may not be PC but he’s just trying to make Germany great again.”

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:55:14am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

But that’s not stopping Corker from voting with the GOP and Trump in…. 83% of the time. We’re supposed to give him credit for 17% disapproval of Trump?

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sagehen  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:55:51am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Can Cernovich name one conservative “murdered” by Antifa? Oh you got made to feel uncomfortable? That’s nice. Ever hear of Heather Heyer tough guy?

But Sarah Sanders and Kristjen Nielsen couldn’t enjoy a nice dinner at the restaurants they’d chosen, so that’s just as bad. Right?

//

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:59:19am

re: #180 lawhawk

But that’s not stopping Corker from voting with the GOP and Trump in…. 83% of the time. We’re supposed to give him credit for 17% disapproval of Trump?

The media would rather take seriously posers like Corker and Flake than people who are consistently in opposition to Trump because they like to think they’re “different kinds of Republicans” when they’re really just enablers.

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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:02:52am

Ain’t it funny how you tend to forget just how masterful The Beatles were? I just heard this one on the radio, and…holy crap. What an incredible riff this is built around.

I Want You (She’s So Heavy)

I went to the Wikipedia page and learned that they finished it on my 16th birthday - and it was the last time the band all worked in the studio together.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:08:29am
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William Lewis  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:10:13am

re: #159 makeitstop

Cernovich has a sad…

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Fuck you, Cernonazi. You and your fellow travellers are nothing but criminals and treating Nazis as such is nothing but being a good patriotic American.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:11:18am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:11:19am

re: #185 William Lewis

Fuck you, Cernonazi. You and your fellow travellers are nothing but criminals and treating Nazis as such is nothing but being a good patriotic American.

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Nice.

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William Lewis  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:15:27am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

not all heroes wear capes:

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I wish I knew who he was, I’d give him every one of the few dollars I have to spare for doing that to help those turtles. God bless you, sir.

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:16:24am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:25:48am

re: #189 lawhawk

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Another Blackburn type Republican will run for and probably win that seat.

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Jay C  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:25:54am

re: #189 lawhawk

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I wonder why he picked NOW to make this announcement?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:27:12am

re: #191 Jay C

I wonder why he picked NOW to make this announcement?

Yeah next year would make sense.

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austin_blue  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:36:05am

New rules for Customs Personnel:

“From this date forward, Smocking will *not* be allowed during Boarder Security checks.”

That is all.

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:38:05am

re: #193 austin_blue

New rules for Customs Personnel:

“From this date forward, Smocking and covfefe will *not* be allowed during Boarder Security checks.”

That is all.

FTFY

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:41:15am
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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:44:17am

I’m still trying to figure out what the hell was up with Stephen Miller’s skull yesterday.

I’m mystified that anyone could think putting the equivalent of short & curlies on their head would look good in any circumstance.

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:46:26am

re: #196 makeitstop

Wait… you didn’t think he was right in the head, did you?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:47:33am

it took him three paragraphs before taking credit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:52:30am

LOL

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:54:11am

re: #181 sagehen

But Sarah Sanders and Kristjen Nielsen couldn’t enjoy a nice dinner at the restaurants they’d chosen, so that’s just as bad. Right?

//

If there is any justice in the world, neither will EVER be able to enjoy a nice dinner in the presence of any normal human beings.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:56:28am

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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Good God, stop making pathetic excuses already FNC.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:56:48am

re: #200 MsJ

If there is any justice in the world, neither will EVER be able to enjoy a nice dinner in the presence of any normal human beings.

Same thing with the liars at FNC.

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William Lewis  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:58:10am

re: #200 MsJ

If there is any justice in the world, neither will EVER be able to enjoy a nice dinner in the presence of any normal human beings.

I found myself wishing I could be a journalist at the last event Ms. Sanders presides over just so I could ask if she resigned because she’d found a job that would let her lie even more constantly than she already did?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:58:53am

In the latest twists and turns in the Brexit farce,

The statement is now over. Jeremy Corbyn rises to make a point of order. He says putting off the vote until January is unacceptable. He says he will table a motion saying the House has no confidence in the PM because of May’s failure to hold a meaningful vote immediately.

Corbyn announces he is tabled a motion of no confidence in Theresa May personally.
So we are back were we were just before 3.30pm.

It is no clearer now than it was then whether this is a motion that will actually be put to a vote. (See 3.12pm and 3.22pm.)

theguardian.com

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ckkatz  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:03:28am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m glad that the turtles are no longer chained together. And it appears that they survived the episode.

On the other hand, I do wonder about online videos where some innocent passerby just strolling by happen to perfectly recognize some problem, have all the tools and expertise needed to solve the problem, and do so quickly and successfully.

I’m probably way too jaded.

But, in all seriousness, I do appreciate the OP’s posting the video.

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:04:49am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

AnyDem/Whoever 2020
It’s important.

As long as the ticket represents the Democratic party.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:10:39am

re: #180 lawhawk

But that’s not stopping Corker from voting with the GOP and Trump in…. 83% of the time. We’re supposed to give him credit for 17% disapproval of Trump?

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Corker didn’t even join Flake in voting against GOP judges until Mueller is protected. But that’s because like all Republicans he likes Trump’s policies, just not his style.

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KGxvi  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:12:40am

re: #195 lawhawk

Alan Dershowitz just said Michael Flynn “did not commit a crime by lying” and “lying to the FBI is not a crime”

I’m still confused by this idea that a federal judge would allow someone to plead guilty to something that is not a crime. Especially when the idea is being spouted by (formerly?) competent attorneys.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:14:05am

re: #191 Jay C

I wonder why he picked NOW to make this announcement?

I would put money on the fact that there is shit that is going to hit the fan concerning the NRA, Russia and Republicans. Four weeks…betcha. I’d lay money on it.

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jaunte  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:15:14am
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KGxvi  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:16:20am

I don’t know if this has already been discussed, but the WaPo apparently has an advanced copy of the Senate report on Russian election interference:

“What is clear is that all of the messaging clearly sought to benefit the Republican Party — and specifically Donald Trump,” the report says. “Trump is mentioned most in campaigns targeting conservatives and right-wing voters, where the messaging encouraged these groups to support his campaign. The main groups that could challenge Trump were then provided messaging that sought to confuse, distract and ultimately discourage members from voting.”

But off course, this wouldn’t be collusion… just aid from a hostile foreign government. Totally legal, totally cool… right?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:17:08am

re: #209 MsJ

I would put money on the fact that there is shit that is going to hit the fan concerning the NRA, Russia and Republicans. Four weeks…betcha. I’d lay money on it.

Wonder if any other Republicans will suddenly decide they “want to spend more time with their families” in the next month or two.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:17:37am

re: #206 Belafon

As long as the ticket represents the Democratic party.

That’s what primaries are for. We had all better be ready to go into the breach for whoever surfaces, or we get the same shit we got in 2016.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:18:04am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:18:33am

re: #208 KGxvi

I’m still confused by this idea that a federal judge would allow someone to plead guilty to something that is not a crime. Especially when the idea is being spouted by (formerly?) competent attorneys.

Well I think Dersh knows that but he knows that the people watching him on FNC don’t.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:18:37am

re: #195 lawhawk

So Dershowitz claims lying to the FBI is not a crime?

Excerpt from:
blogs.findlaw.com

“18 U.S.C. § 1001 makes it a federal crime for anyone who “in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully … makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation.” The same statute has been used to convict and imprison Rod Blagojevich, Scooter Libby, Bernard Madoff, Martha Stewart, and Jeffrey Skilling.”

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jaunte  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:18:37am

The GOP is continues to try to drag us back to a feudal society in which all of us serfs are forced to pledge fealty to our landed wealthy overlords.

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KGxvi  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:19:00am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

Wonder if any other Republicans will suddenly decide they “want to spend more time with their families” in the next month or two.

I wonder how many internal polls are out there for Republicans in Congress that reads like Revelations

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:20:04am

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

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JFC. I knew Walker was a wee bit nutty but Christ.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:20:43am

re: #218 KGxvi

I wonder how many internal polls are out there for Republicans in Congress that reads like Revelations

Lotta rats jumping ship.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:22:56am

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

David Icke? He’s like the little bit of dog shit on the bottom of a shoe that just can’t be scraped off.

I’ve always hoped that he’d fade away into irrelevance, just another in a long line of crackpots and madmen, but seeing as we’re all now living in the Age of Conspiracies, I guess that hope was futile.

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ckkatz  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:22:56am

re: #1 Dave In Austin

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I agree that Sanders, if he is going to run nationally as a Democrat, should be a formal member of the Democratic Party.

It always seemed extremely important to me that a candidate running have a party affiliation. That generally used to mean that the candidate represented a core set of values, and had been vetted. Thus the voters already knew a lot about the candidate even if the candidate was new to them.

It seems to me that this was the major failing of the Republican Party in 2016. It did not vet Trump in a traditional sense. And is paying dearly for that failure. (Of course, so is the country as a whole.)

Sanders is a lesser example of this, as he has been known to and worked with the Democrats for many years. However, he should not be allowed to be a Schrodenger’s Democrat.

On a second note, I do wonder how many loud Twitter Bernie-Bots are actual people, and who actually support Bernie. There does seem to be a lot of other possible motives out there.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:24:32am

re: #218 KGxvi

I wonder how many internal polls are out there for Republicans in Congress that reads like Revelations

All of them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:25:07am

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

All of them.

Except Rasmussen….

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:25:45am

Democrats should require that everyone running for President in the Democratic primary must first show tax returns for the lesser of 15 years or all years since age 30. Let’s see how Bernie responds to that.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:26:44am

re: #224 Joe Bacon 🌹

Except Rasmussen….

Yeah, but for me at least, Rasmussen isn’t even remotely credible. They’re just an ad agency that has the GOP as their one and only client.

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ckkatz  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:27:01am

re: #145 lawhawk

More indictments… this time from EDVA and relate to Flynn’s business buddies. It’s specifically related to efforts to extradite Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen

Brought this to mind:

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:28:17am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

it took him three paragraphs before taking credit

“Deese guys, Orville and Wilbur—who names their kids Orville and Wilbur, hurr, hurr—Wright were the first to fly the airplanes. Not many people know that.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:28:27am

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

So Dershowitz claims lying to the FBI is not a crime?

Oh wait — Dersh feels free to lie to the FNC audience since lying to the public is not a crime!

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jaunte  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:29:43am

re: #229 Hecuba’s daughter

FNC: “It’s a living.”

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wrenchwench  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:30:47am

re: #228 Sir John Barron

“Deese guys, Orville and Wilbur—who names their kids Orville and Wilbur, hurr, hurr—Wright were the first to fly the airplanes. Not many people know that.”

I assume he failed to mention that they were bicycle mechanics. Had a little shop in Dayton.

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KGxvi  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:31:13am

re: #222 ckkatz

I agree that Sanders, if he is going to run nationally as a Democrat, should be a formal member of the Democratic Party.

It always seemed extremely important to me that a candidate running have a party affiliation. That generally used to mean that the candidate represented a core set of values, and had been vetted. Thus the voters already knew a lot about the candidate even if the candidate was new to them.

It seems to me that this was the major failing of the Republican Party in 2016. It did not vet Trump in a traditional sense. And is paying dearly for that failure. (Of course, so is the country as a whole.)

Sanders is a lesser example of this, as he has been known to and worked with the Democrats for many years. However, he should not be allowed to be a Schrodenger’s Democrat.

On a second note, I do wonder how many loud Twitter Bernie-Bots are actual people, and who actually support Bernie. There does seem to be a lot of other possible motives out there.

I don’t really have a problem with someone running nationally as an independent. Especially if they have a career in public service, that can be judged accordingly. I also believe that had the 2016 Democratic field been slightly bigger, Sanders wouldn’t have got much traction at all. He’d have been like Kucinich in 2004 or 2008 - an also ran who would have agitated from the left, but not much more than that.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:33:32am

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

…for Jewish organisations to deny that any Jewish person is working for the New World Order conspiracy is equally naive and allowing dogma or worse to blind them to reality.

Yes, insisting that there’s a “New World Order conspiracy” is so reasonable and not dogmatic.

/

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ckkatz  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:34:09am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

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KGxvi  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:34:49am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Yes, insisting that there’s a “New World Order conspiracy” is so reasonable and not dogmatic.

/

I thought the New World Order conspiracy was exposed when Eric Bishoff joined Hogan, Hall, and Nash?

/wrestling smarkiness

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:37:25am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Calls on schools to teach the controversy about whether the Holocaust really happened: “Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler’s List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events? And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history?”

Just saw the movie, Denial, on cable last week. That’s the story of the Holocaust historian who was sued by a Holocaust denier. It was really good. Came out in 2016 but took awhile to get to cable.

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:40:51am

re: #222 ckkatz

I agree that Sanders, if he is going to run nationally as a Democrat, should be a formal member of the Democratic Party.

It always seemed extremely important to me that a candidate running have a party affiliation. That generally used to mean that the candidate represented a core set of values, and had been vetted. Thus the voters already knew a lot about the candidate even if the candidate was new to them.

It seems to me that this was the major failing of the Republican Party in 2016. It did not vet Trump in a traditional sense. And is paying dearly for that failure. (Of course, so is the country as a whole.)

Sanders is a lesser example of this, as he has been known to and worked with the Democrats for many years. However, he should not be allowed to be a Schrodenger’s Democrat.

On a second note, I do wonder how many loud Twitter Bernie-Bots are actual people, and who actually support Bernie. There does seem to be a lot of other possible motives out there.

I’m fairly tuned in, but I did not know who Sanders was until he ran for president.

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ckkatz  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:48:25am

re: #232 KGxvi

I don’t really have a problem with someone running nationally as an independent. Especially if they have a career in public service, that can be judged accordingly. I also believe that had the 2016 Democratic field been slightly bigger, Sanders wouldn’t have got much traction at all. He’d have been like Kucinich in 2004 or 2008 - an also ran who would have agitated from the left, but not much more than that.

Interesting points!

I will need to “cogitate” upon them. :)

Particularly the implication that there was little other Democratic option to Clinton in 2016 and its implications. Including that the dissenters might have been better absorbed into the 2016 Democratic position. Cannot say I disagree. I can say that I do not know. It seems to me a very interesting rabbit-hole.

However, my immediate reactions are

1) Yes, I agree, he should have run as an independent, outside the Democratic Party, rather than inside it. I think this would have been more above board.

2) Gah! It could have split the vote even more. I still remember some famous vote splitting that benefited the opposing candidate. My memories are that Perot, split the Republican vote and that Nader split the Democratic vote.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:53:04am

It’s on.

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Chrysicat  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:53:26am
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MsJ  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:53:45am

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

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It’s on.

Is that a new general election?

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KGxvi  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:54:59am

re: #238 ckkatz

Interesting points!

I will need to “cogitate” upon them. :)

Particularly the implication that there was little other Democratic option to Clinton in 2016 and its implications. Including that the dissenters might have been better absorbed into the 2016 Democratic position. Cannot say I disagree. I can say that I do not know. It seems to me a very interesting rabbit-hole.

However, my immediate reactions are

1) Yes, I agree, he should have run as an independent, outside the Democratic Party, rather than inside it. I think this would have been more above board.

2) Gah! It could have split the vote even more. I still remember some famous vote splitting that benefited the opposing candidate. My memories are that Perot, split the Republican vote and that Nader split the Democratic vote.

Perot actually drew fairly equally from both parties in 1992, at least according to all the exit polling data and analysis I’ve ever seen. Nader is a bit trickier, it obviously had an effect in Florida, but so did (allegedly) the butterfly ballot in Broward County that may have sent votes for Gore to Buchanan. But the screwy Florida situation is the only time that a third party nominee/independent candidate has potentially swung a national election since Teddy Roosevelt ran as a Bullmoose

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Chrysicat  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:55:22am

re: #241 MsJ

Is that a new general election?

I’m not the Doc, but yes, if Corbyn can keep his insurgents together enough to get it passed. And I think the government gets dissolved immediately and the UK goes from now to February without any House of Commons at all, though I’m not totes sure on the second part.

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:55:34am

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

Dershowitz’s argument isn’t being directed at the legal community, or anyone beyond the know-nothing Trumpworld. It’s directed at and for Trump and his bigot brigade base.

Once you accept that, then the choice of words make perfect sense. This is a criminal syndicate that ignores the rule of law, are opposed to law and order especially when it means holding themselves accountable, and Dershowitz is pandering to Trump.

It’s a dog and pony show for Dershowitz to curry favor with Trump even as the walls close in on Trump. No one who is taken seriously believes anything Dershowitz is saying because no judge would certify a plea deal on 18 USC 1001 if it didn’t actually exist. Lying to the FBI is a felony. Period. Flynn allocuted to the lesser charge because of the info he’s giving prosecutors across multiple investigations.

Dershowitz has to know or remember this, and if he doesn’t, then he needs to sit in on the very classes he used to teach. Or retire.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:57:11am

re: #241 MsJ

Is that a new general election?

If May loses a general vote of no confidence, under the Fixed Term Parliament Act, the Tories have 14 days to find a new PM that can obtain parliamentary confidence. If they fail to do so, then it goes to a general election.

Bear in mind that under the terms of Article 50, the UK leaves the EU on March 29th, 2019. A little over 100 days from now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:59:13am

re: #241 MsJ

Is that a new general election?

Alphanaught says no: #107

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William Lewis  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:59:30am

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

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Thank you for posting that. It was a good learning for me about Ms Walker.

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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:59:42am

LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:00:36am
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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:00:57am

re: #232 KGxvi

That’s just it though. Sanders didn’t want to run as an independent because he wouldn’t have the apparatus to make his campaign run, so he coopted the DNC and convinced them to let him run.

They should have said no and ended it there. All throughout, Sanders screwed the DNC and Hillary, including with the voter roll info that he improperly used.

At the outset of 2016, O’Malley, Lessig, Webb, and Chaffee were all running along with Sanders and Clinton. Lessig, Webb, and Chaffee dropped before the first primary. O’Malley withdrew soon after the primaries started, and Sanders limped along despite never getting closer than he did during Super Tuesday.

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harlequinade  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:02:08am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

But that’s not what Corbyn is tabling. It’s a vote of no confidence in Theresa May. It makes it easier for conservative MPs to vote with Labour, because it doesn’t risk a new election.

It also means it’s entirely meaningless. May doesn’t have to step down. There is no election in the offing. It’s more bluster.

Which is incredibly frustrating. I’m English. I live in Denmark. I work for a university in Sweden. Any brexit screws me. And this isn’t governing! This is running around with your hair on fire. I would be embarrassed if I wasn’t scaredapoplectic.

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:02:35am

The Times spent all kinds of time in 2016 and 2017 disregarding and diminishing the role the Russian efforts made at screwing Clinton from the left and right.

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ckkatz  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:03:53am

re: #242 KGxvi

Perot actually drew fairly equally from both parties in 1992, at least according to all the exit polling data and analysis I’ve ever seen. Nader is a bit trickier, it obviously had an effect in Florida, but so did (allegedly) the butterfly ballot in Broward County that may have sent votes for Gore to Buchanan. But the screwy Florida situation is the only time that a third party nominee/independent candidate has potentially swung a national election since Teddy Roosevelt ran as a Bullmoose

True, there was that ‘small’ issue involving Broward County and the ‘Supremes’.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:05:06am

re: #251 harlequinade

But that’s not what Corbyn is tabling. It’s a vote of no confidence in Theresa May. It makes it easier for conservative MPs to vote with Labour, because it doesn’t risk a new election.

It also means it’s entirely meaningless. May doesn’t have to step down. There is no election in the offing. It’s more bluster.

Which is incredibly frustrating. I’m English. I live in Denmark. I work for a university in Sweden. Any brexit screws me. And this isn’t governing! This is running around with your hair on fire. I would be embarrassed if I wasn’t scaredapoplectic.

Right now, Corbyn is tabling what’s essentially a censure motion. However, in my #239, Corbyn’s also saying that if he doesn’t get a vote on this censure motion, then he’s going to proceed to a vote of no confidence in the government.

That, if successful, could potentially trigger a new general election.

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jaunte  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:06:42am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:06:58am

re: #247 William Lewis

Thank you for posting that. It was a good learning for me about Ms Walker.

Yeah I had no idea.

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harlequinade  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:07:58am

re: #254 Dr Lizardo

Oh! Sorry, I didn’t hear/read that.
I love Corbyn (I’m a socialist and it’s nice to see one at the head of the labour party) but is utter spinelessness on this subject also enrages me. It was, perhaps, the red mist that obscured my vision.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:09:04am

re: #252 lawhawk

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The Times spent all kinds of time in 2016 and 2017 disregarding and diminishing the role the Russian efforts made at screwing Clinton from the left and right.


“Renee DiResta, one of the report’s authors and director of research at New Knowledge, said the Internet Research Agency “leveraged pre-existing, legitimate grievances wherever they could.” As the election effort geared up, the Black Lives Matter movement was at the center of national attention in the United States, so the Russian operation took advantage of it, she said — and added “Blue Lives Matter” material when a pro-police pushback emerged.

It worked.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:10:35am

re: #257 harlequinade

Oh! Sorry, I didn’t hear/read that.
I love Corbyn (I’m a socialist and it’s nice to see one at the head of the labour party) but is utter spinelessness on this subject also enrages me. It was, perhaps, the red mist that obscured my vision.

Corbyn is very much a Brexiteer himself - he’s coming at it from the perspective of the hard left Euroskeptic position. We have them here in the Czech Republic, mostly to be found in the KSČM (Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia), considered by many to be the last truly unrepentant Stalinists here in Europe. They are fanatically anti-EU.

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ckkatz  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:10:40am

re: #254 Dr Lizardo

Right now, Corbyn is tabling what’s essentially a censure motion. However, in my #239, Corbyn’s also saying that if he doesn’t get a vote on this censure motion, then he’s going to proceed to a vote of no confidence in the government.

That, if successful, could potentially trigger a new general election.

One interesting thing in this discussion is the use of the term ‘tabling’.

In my experience, here in the US, tabling means to inactivate or freeze an issue before a body.

From what I gather, in the English Parliamentary sense, it means to present an active issue to the body.

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harlequinade  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:14:59am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

Corbyn is very much a Brexiteer himself - he’s coming at it from the perspective of the hard left Euroskeptic position. We have them here in the Czech Republic, mostly to be found in the KSČM (Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia), considered by many to be the last truly unrepentant Stalinists here in Europe. They are fanatically anti-EU.

He is. And, again, galling. We don’t actually have an opposition party.
This is one time his nuance is not helping. He was right in saying (last week?) that austerity is where the far right grows, and that the EU needs different methods to deal with debt ridden countries, and I love that someone is fighting for workers rights. But - man - his dragging his feet on opposing a Brexit is going to consign generations to more miserable lives.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:15:11am

re: #247 William Lewis

Thank you for posting that. It was a good learning for me about Ms Walker.

Speaking of conspiracy theories, I watched Patriots Day over the weekend, the movie about the Boston Marathon bombers. The movie was actually really good, which kind of surprised me. I’d put off watching although it’s been out a couple of months I think.

Anyway, the two bombers (who were brothers), carjack an Asian guy. While they’re driving him around they have the radio on and hear a newscaster say that the marathon bombings were the worst attack since 9/11. The older brother then says to their carjacking victim, “Hey, you know it wasn’t the Muslims or Al Qaeda who destroyed those buildings, right? It was the American government.” The owner of the car just sort of stares at them like “Uh….” The younger brother sitting in the back pipes in “Yeah, dog, you gotta educate yourself, America is fake as f0ck…”

I’d forgotten this part about the carjacking, and that the brothers shot and killed a cop near MIT.

The carjacking victim gets away, he made a run for it when they were stopped at a gas station.

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lawhawk  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:15:40am

re: #258 Decatur Deb


“Renee DiResta, one of the report’s authors and director of research at New Knowledge, said the Internet Research Agency “leveraged pre-existing, legitimate grievances wherever they could.” As the election effort geared up, the Black Lives Matter movement was at the center of national attention in the United States, so the Russian operation took advantage of it, she said — and added “Blue Lives Matter” material when a pro-police pushback emerged.

It worked.

The same people who touted that blue lives matter are silent when cops are gunned down (it’s the leading cause of death among cops) and refuse to strengthen gun control in the US.

Blue lives matter was always about fucking over the BLM movement and minorities. The Russians knew this dynamic was at play and exploited it. The GOP went along with it because it fit their worldview. Now we have the data to support this.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:15:42am

re: #260 ckkatz

One interesting thing in this discussion is the use of the term ‘tabling’.

In my experience, here in the US, tabling means to inactivate or freeze an issue before a body.

From what I gather, in the English Parliamentary sense, it means to present an active issue to the body.

You’re exactly right. Much like how in British business English, “turnover” means “profit” - but in American business English, it usually refers to the ratio of employees who quit versus those who stay.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:16:00am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

Corbyn is very much a Brexiteer himself - he’s coming at it from the perspective of the hard left Euroskeptic position. We have them here in the Czech Republic, mostly to be found in the KSČM (Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia), considered by many to be the last truly unrepentant Stalinists here in Europe. They are fanatically anti-EU.

Derp is like a flat circle…..

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VegasGolfer  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:16:18am

Im being targeted by FB because I posted this article and claimed that Mueller is turning a profit unlike trump who has many bankruptcies. They said it goes against their “community standards”
I guess i should’ve posted fake news to help trump or republicans subvert democracy, that would’ve been ok.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:19:18am

re: #263 lawhawk

The same people who touted that blue lives matter are silent when cops are gunned down (it’s the leading cause of death among cops) and refuse to strengthen gun control in the US.

Blue lives matter was always about fucking over the BLM movement and minorities. The Russians knew this dynamic was at play and exploited it. The GOP went along with it because it fit their worldview. Now we have the data to support this.

Every effort to shatter the FDR—LBJ Dem coalition contributed to the paper-thin margin Trump needed, where he needed it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:25:06am

re: #260 ckkatz

One interesting thing in this discussion is the use of the term ‘tabling’.

In my experience, here in the US, tabling means to inactivate or freeze an issue before a body.

From what I gather, in the English Parliamentary sense, it means to present an active issue to the body.

Thank you for the definition. I was confused by the original comments — but this explains what was actually meant. As has been said for 100 years: The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:23:44pm

re: #26 JC1

Sam Harris is a fucking bigot.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2018 • 5:26:28pm

re: #31 JC1

His views on Islam are fucking bigoted.


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