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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:28:16pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:31:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:31:38pm

re: #1 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:36:25pm

Please just no.

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Targetpractice  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:37:41pm

While I think Donny is gonna resign, I don’t think this is probable:

The idea that he’d resign to save his kids is rather laughable. If anything, I see it as more likely they’ll take plea deals in order to help send their dad to jail.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:38:12pm

re: #2 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I dumped that in the dying thread, so I’ll reup it here:

For all the rocket buffs—busy morning tomorrow!

SpaceX launching an Air Force GPS satellite at 5:56 AM:

LIVE: Launch of SpaceX Falcon 9 with 3rd-gen GPS satellite!

Blue Origin’s New Shepard test flight at 6:30 AM:

LIVE: Launch of Blue Origin New Shepard rocket with nine NASA NS-10 payloads!

Arianespace Soyuz launching a French surveillance satellite from Kourou at 8:37 AM:

Arianespace Flight VS20 – CSO-1 (EN)

All times Pacific, because hey—I’m writing them down and I don’t want to confuse myself.

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Targetpractice  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:39:30pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

Please just no.

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If there’s any potential positive here, it’s that the moonbat vote will be further split, preventing either from claiming they would have won the nomination if “the establishment” hadn’t sabotaged their campaign.

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:39:31pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

Please just no.

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I bet not even Bernie’s fans see that. Just imagine the two of them going after each other.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:39:38pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

Ivanka? Maybe.

Trump Jr. ? Not a fucking chance.

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Targetpractice  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:41:40pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Ivanka? Maybe.

Trump Jr. ? Not a fucking chance.

If Donny got told by Mueller that he’d decline pressing charges against Half-Scoop and Javanka in exchange for resignation, Donny would not only blow him off, he’d brag to the public about how he’s gonna preemptively pardon them both.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:44:39pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

While I think Donny is gonna resign, I don’t think this is probable:

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The idea that he’d resign to save his kids is rather laughable. If anything, I see it as more likely they’ll take plea deals in order to help send their dad to jail.

As I’ve said I stopped predicting shit because nothing makes sense anymore, but it seems more likely to me that Trump pardons everyone and dares us to pry him out of the White House with the jaws of life. The only consistent thing about him is his obstinate defiant syndrome.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:45:30pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:46:12pm

re: #6 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

ULA also has a Delta Heavy launch out of Vandenberg tomorow (8:57 PM EST / 5:57 PM PST)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:46:35pm

re: #12 Patricia Kayden

Jesus. So ICE is above the law now?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:47:56pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

As I’ve said I stopped predicting shit because nothing makes sense anymore, but it seems more likely to me that Trump pardons everyone and dares us to pry him out of the White House with the jaws of life. The only consistent thing about him is his obstinate defiant syndrome.

He’ll call for an uprising to protect him from removal and make him President-for-Life. He’ll get one too—such as it will be. It’s unfortunately time to lance this boil IMO, although the correct time was after Oklahoma City.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:49:49pm

What really scares me about Donald Trump is what he’s teaching the horrible next generation of right wing clones. They’re going to learn from his asinine narcissistic mistakes and get even better at exploiting the rubes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:51:35pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I fear the same.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:51:38pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

ULA also has a Delta Heavy launch out of Vandenberg tomorow (8:57 PM EST / 5:57 PM PST)

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Ah! I’ve been watching to see when they rescheduled that—good catch.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 6:57:12pm

re: #18 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ah! I’ve been watching to see when they rescheduled that—good catch.

Good source for upcoming launches SPACEFLIGHT NOW - Launch Schedule
Though, the Blue Origin launch isn’t noted. probably because they keep most of they’re launch schedules very close to the chest.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:00:12pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:01:23pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:02:36pm

re: #8 Belafon

I bet not even Bernie’s fans see that. Just imagine the two of them going after each other.

I want to see a three way when Nina Turner enters the race.

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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:03:40pm

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

I want to see a three way when Nina Turner enters the race.

Bernie in a 3-way is a thought I could have done without.

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meteor  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:03:42pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:14:13pm

Some music.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:19:34pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:21:32pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That would be a perfect Christmas gift, for Bevin to orchestrate a special session in secret in order to ram through an unpopular bill while Dems are away for the holidays, only for the KY House GOP to be so pissed at this that they adjourn said session just to spite him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:29:13pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

That would be a perfect Christmas gift, for Bevin to orchestrate a special session in secret in order to ram through an unpopular bill while Dems are away for the holidays, only for the KY House GOP to be so pissed at this that they adjourn said session just to spite him.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:30:05pm

re: #12 Patricia Kayden

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Howzat?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:30:31pm

WTF

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:34:33pm

Any of y’all planning to see Vice? I like Christian Bale and Steve Carrell but I think I’ll take a pass on this one.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:39:12pm

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 17, 2018 • 7:40:14pm

re: #12 Patricia Kayden

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Then congress should tell them that we cannot pay those agents salary anymore.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:00:58pm

re: #33 Eventual Carrion

Then congress should tell them that we cannot pay those agents salary anymore.

Every one of those complicit assholes need to be fired and ICE must be dismantled.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:01:51pm

So glad this place survived
Mulholland Is Burning: How the Iconic Rock Store Survived the Woolsey Fire

Get to the Rock Store, now!”

It was 2 a.m. on November 9th when Rich Savko’s cell phone rang. Groggily, he recognized the number of the local sheriff. Phone calls from law enforcement in the middle of the night are always bad news. When he answered, he heard the panic in the sheriff’s voice when he spoke those six words. So Savko jumped in his car and sped toward the mountains, toward the business his parents opened in 1961, toward the Rock Store, the little diner on Mulholland Highway that’s become a cultural gathering point for motorcyclists across California.

Twelve hours had passed since southern California’s ferocious Santa Ana winds whipped a small brush fire in nearby Simi Valley into an unstoppable inferno. The Woolsey Fire marched south to the sea with Shermanesque fury, roaring through dry washes and parched grass hills. The land was parched and ready to burn—there was nothing to be done. A number of homes had already been lost, and with air tankers grounded by 60 mph wind gusts, firefighters had no real way to halt its advance. The Rock Store lay directly in its path.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:04:38pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Any of y’all planning to see Vice? I like Christian Bale and Steve Carrell but I think I’ll take a pass on this one.

Pass for me too. More attractive if you were too young to understand at the time than if you lived it as an adult voter.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:38:42pm

Oops forgot link for the article on the Rock Store. Mah bad.
thedrive.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 8:59:40pm

I was thinking for the past week or so that something was missing

I don’t think we should let him take vacation time ever again

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:05:50pm

Thread

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:07:37pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Thread

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His lack of transparency is a serious problem.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:13:07pm

Looked at EB’s page. Damn knew Gabbard was bad on Assad but anti refugee too. We’re in trouble if this lady or Sanders is near our nomination.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:47:41pm

re: #28 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Our own mini-Trump. A likely candidate for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination? Only drawback is that he adopted a bunch of Somali kids, and the Base won’t like that.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 17, 2018 • 9:49:01pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Any of y’all planning to see Vice? I like Christian Bale and Steve Carrell but I think I’ll take a pass on this one.

I’d like to see it, but I’ll probably wait until its available to stream.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:05:07pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Any of y’all planning to see Vice? I like Christian Bale and Steve Carrell but I think I’ll take a pass on this one.

Just saw the trailer at the theater tonight. If the movie hangs around long enough and gets sufficiently good reviews, I may try it.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 17, 2018 • 10:18:23pm

fortune.com

So if anybody cares or remembers or cares about my earlier post about me getting censored by FB, I reposted the same article in another post, but substituted Mueller for special counsel and trump for occupant of the white house. Then i posted this.
“I’m being targeted from Facebook for some reason as my post about this story about the special prosecutor turning a profit unlike the occupant of the wh who had many many bankruptcies. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since FB has had lots of problems not doing much to stop interference by the Russians in the 2916 elections as well as the many other investigations into their lack of action into this and many other security issues”
This is still up on FB.
All I can gather from all this is if you combine trump and mueller in specific terms or in a certain context, they will tag you.
I only have 100 or less friends and was aggressively moderated, I can only assume that FB has an obvious bias toward trump and right wing causes when they are totally lax in cracking down on obvious misinformation from russians and other dangerous players against the US.
So I can only come to the conclusion that facebook doesn’t care about the well being of the United States and only cares about shareholders and the corporation.
This country will die from this instead of an actual conventional war.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:03:45pm

I was born a flatlander. Sometimes I miss a proper horizon.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:19:56pm

re: #45 VegasGolfer

……
So I can only come to the conclusion that facebook doesn’t care about the well being of the United States and only cares about shareholders and the corporation.
This country will die from this instead of an actual conventional war.

Countries usually prepare to fight the last war. We are spending a fortune on a military that is not competing successful in the new battlefield that Putin’s team seems to have mastered. We are bankrupting this nation with weaponry that are of little practical use in the bloodless wars of the future, or in stopping the intense violent conflicts being waged in Africa and the Middle East.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:28:33pm

Wildlife break. This fellow blends into the background very well.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:34:24pm

Looks like another for-profit college has bit the dust.

bnd.com

Off to work - back later.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:35:56pm

re: #48 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This one does not blend in so well.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:42:54pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:46:56pm

Fascinating thread on how corn is not just a food, but a platform for a wide variety of industries in the USA.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 17, 2018 • 11:55:46pm

And in keeping with my random tweet posts, here’s another about the current FLOTUS.

Someone in the thread has thoughtfully posted NSFW versions of the OP’s blacked-out photos, so be careful viewing this thread at work or around people sensitive to naked boobage.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 18, 2018 • 12:09:05am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 18, 2018 • 12:40:51am

the next republican president will be a gay dude who will be just as ignorant and lazy as trump, but will be extravagantly nice to people, and spend most of his weekends shopping and live-tweeting award shows like the oscars

he’ll win the nomination campaigning against the color brown

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 18, 2018 • 12:46:28am

i’m old enough to remember when giuliani was already old 40 years ago

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 1:51:08am
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 18, 2018 • 2:08:22am

I was doing some cleaning around the house tonight and while my hands were busy, as usual my mind was wandering. I was thinking about the reports out today about the depth and various attack vectors of the Russian operations when it occurred to me that the Russian operations are the Obama operations of 2008 & 2012, weaponized. Where Obama and the Democrats targeted voters to get people engaged and to the polls, the Russian operations boosted Hair Furor and Republicans, sowed uncertainty and discord on the left and specifically targeted blacks to suppress their turnout.

I wonder if Pootie (or his people) saw the Obama operations and decided that the use of demographic and user data could be used to achieve their own ends.

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Scout  Dec 18, 2018 • 2:33:14am

There seems to be a rumor floating around the twitterverse that an ABC airing (Sunday? Monday?) of “The Sound of Music” edited out a scene of the Christopher Plummer character ripping apart a Nazi flag.

This is a RUMOR and COMPLETELY unsubstantiated. Have any of you folks heard anything about this?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 18, 2018 • 2:57:52am

re: #59 Scout

There seems to be a rumor floating around the twitterverse that an ABC airing (Sunday? Monday?) of “The Sound of Music” edited out a scene of the Christopher Plummer character ripping apart a Nazi flag.

This is a RUMOR and COMPLETELY unsubstantiated. Have any of you folks heard anything about this?

Because of the length of the film, there is an edited version which removes that (and a bunch of other things).

imdb.com

NBC once aired the edited version, as did FOX.

SUNDAY, DEC. 16

THE SOUND OF MUSIC - The ABC Television Network will air the Rodgers & Hammerstein cinematic treasure “The Sound of Music.” Celebrate the Oscar-winning classic with popular favorites “Edelweiss,” “My Favorite Things,” “Climb Every Mountain,” “Do-Re-Mi,” “Sixteen Going on Seventeen,” “The Lonely Goatherd” and “The Sound of Music.” (7:00-11:00 p.m.)

abc7.com

Based on the length of the film, to include commercials, something would have to be cut from the runtime. As to whether that is the ripping the Nazi flag scene, that part is unknown.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 18, 2018 • 3:03:08am
Dear Mr. Comey,

Please allow me to explain to you why Republicans are silent when it comes to allowing the FBI to do its job. And why they are beating you over the head with a stick.

They know it’s just a matter of time until the FBI uncovers their crimes.

You’re welcome.

Juanita Jean Herownself

Note To Comey (with comments)

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 18, 2018 • 3:21:08am

Yes, he was arrested.

Florida man offers to trade marijuana for food at McDonald’s drive-thru (Channel 10 Tampa, ABC):

PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. - A Florida man was arrested Sunday after he tried to trade marijuana for food at a McDonald’s drive-thru, police said.

Port St. Lucie police said Anthony Gallagher, 23, was at the drive-thru of a McDonald’s about 2 a.m., trying to exchange a bag of marijuana for some food.

(more)

Maryjane is not currency, even where it’s legal.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 3:27:44am

re: #5 Targetpractice

While I think Donny is gonna resign, I don’t think this is probable:

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The idea that he’d resign to save his kids is rather laughable. If anything, I see it as more likely they’ll take plea deals in order to help send their dad to jail.

I don’t think Mueller will go for that kind of deal.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 3:29:17am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Yes, he was arrested.

Florida man offers to trade marijuana for food at McDonald’s drive-thru (Channel 10 Tampa, ABC):

(more)

Maryjane is not currency, even where it’s legal.

Tobacco was currency here in NC before and during the Revolution.

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 3:30:41am

re: #63 Scottish Dragon

I don’t think Mueller will go for that kind of deal.

Let’s hope not. After all this shit, of there are no consequences, there are no laws… None that have meaning anyway. Unless you’re poor then laws apply. This is not tenable. Not if the country is to survive.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 18, 2018 • 3:31:31am

I have to go into town in the morning, so what am I doing here now? Catch y’all later.

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 3:57:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 4:18:10am

moron is having an early morning executive time…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 4:19:51am

re: #56 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’m old enough to remember when giuliani was already old 40 years ago

I didn’t know Giuliani from shit until Kramer won him the ‘93 (?) mayoral election by accidentally spilling bogus fat-free frozen yogurt into his blood sample….

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 18, 2018 • 4:34:52am

So, for those intersted, Pixar has uploaded for free on YouTube their short film, Bao.

It’s apparently been shortlisted for an Oscar nod - Best Animated Film, Short Subject. It’s also the first Pixar film written and directed by a woman, in this case, Domee Shi, a Chinese-Canadian.

Disney•Pixar Short Film “Bao”

Watch it before it’s gone. I really enjoyed it; classic Pixar.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 4:43:54am
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:23:25am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:31:41am

re: #72 Patricia Kayden

Trump’s gonna be mad as a hornet on Twitter about this. I don’t reckon he’s heard the word “NO” much in his life.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:35:10am

re: #73 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump’s gonna be mad as a hornet on Twitter about this. I don’t reckon he’s heard the word “NO” much in his life.

I don’t know - I think his mom probably told him “no” more than a few times…..and Trump didn’t like that one damn bit.

He deeply resents being told “no” or being told he can’t get what he wants. Seems to me like a reaction to an overbearing, authoritarian parent.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:35:19am

re: #73 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump’s gonna be mad as a hornet on Twitter about this. I don’t reckon he’s heard the word “NO” much in his life.

He thought he was elected King, because it’s an article of wingnut faith that Obama—and Bill Clinton, who immediately preceded him—completely abrogated the Constitution and ruled as absolute tyrants.

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:36:07am

This is something. What does trump have on these people?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:37:00am

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

I fear the same.

Which will make the whiplash upon the election of a Democratic president more jarring. We’ve already gone from LOCK HER UP to Lying To The FBI Is Not A Crime in the span of just two years.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:37:24am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:37:59am

re: #76 MsJ

This is something. What does trump have on these people?

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Probably the same stuff as the Kremlin has.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:38:56am

re: #73 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump’s gonna be mad as a hornet on Twitter about this. I don’t reckon he’s heard the word “NO” much in his life.

Paul Ryan and Turtle will have to tell DJT that a gov shutdown will force him to stay in the Capitol for the holidays instead of golfing at one of his bankruptcy-protected estates in FL.

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:41:55am

re: #80 Sir John Barron

Paul Ryan and Turtle will have to tell DJT that a gov shutdown will force him to stay in the Capitol for the holidays instead of golfing at one of his bankruptcy-protected estates in FL.

Like that’ll happen (or help in any way).

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Seafaring, coquito drinking Santa!  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:46:52am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

Looks like another for-profit college has bit the dust.

bnd.com

Off to work - back later.

And this is the future that awaits the University of Puerto Rico.

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Danack  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:49:40am

re: #76 MsJ

This is something. What does trump have on these people?

The amount of Russian money that was funnelled through the NRA to a significant number of members of Congress combined with an increasingly insane* voter base who see any deviation from the Trump orthodoxy as a betrayal.

TBH, having the GOP election machine taken over by Trump loyalists is probably good news for the country and the Democratic party. One of the reasons why the Republicans did badly across the country was that the message they were giving to the public didn’t bear much resemblance to reality, and so a lot of people who normally vote Republican didn’t, either voting Democrat or just sitting the election out.

Having the same strategy in place for 2020 doesn’t sound like a winning move. Add in the rather high chance that Trump will have either resigned, be impeached, or struggling to keep close family members out of prison, and that Republicans won’t be able to position themselves away from him, has a rather likely downside for the Republicans, with not much upside. I really doubt that the savings of not having people duplicating roles will save much money, but will make it much harder for Republicans to customise their campaigns for local needs.

*insane in the sense of being unable to perceive reality in a way that bears any resemblance to the reality that

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Dave In Austin  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:58:12am

If you get the chance….. This shit scares the shit out of me with my limited family and no kids.

Bleed Out (2018) | Official Trailer | HBO

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:59:07am

re: #83 Danack

I’d factor in the possibility of an economic downturn between now and 2020, and that’ll make it more difficult for Trump. I’ll grant you, his supporters will - of course - blame the Democrats. But 2020 isn’t looking good for Trump. I’m not saying he’s guaranteed to lose - but I wouldn’t wanna be in his shoes, that’s for sure. Not by a damn sight.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 5:59:24am

re: #76 MsJ

This is something. What does trump have on these people?

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He doesn’t have to do anything. They were already primed for Trump and Trump mirrors what the base has long wanted. They wanted a racist reactionary know nothing sabotaging functioning govt, and that’s precisely what they got.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:01:45am

Blue Origin scrubbed till tomorrow. Oh well, at least they won’t interfere with SpaceX now.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:02:45am

First scrub of today’s launch fest

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:04:52am

re: #87 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Blue Origin scrubbed till tomorrow. Oh well, at least they won’t interfere with SpaceX now.

Drat.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:04:57am

Rather than share Trump’s insane tweets, we should just post summaries like this one.

He told the Fed to “feel the market” and not try to tamp down inflation, because Donny wants to drive the entire economy toward a cliff.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:06:35am

Space X is still a go.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:06:55am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:07:58am

re: #90 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Rather than share Trump’s insane tweets, we should just post summaries like this one.

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He told the Fed to “feel the market” and not try to tamp down inflation, because Donny wants to drive the entire economy toward a cliff.

The experts at Bloomberg are baffled by Trump’s Fed tweet, especially his “stop the 50B” remark.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:08:39am

Arianespace Soyuz/CSO 1 also scrubbed, high altitude winds
New launch time: Dec. 19 16:37:14 GMT (11:37:14 a.m. EST)

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:10:31am

re: #93 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Just more sauce for the goose… we’re going to be approaching another debt limit crisis next year too.

Trump’s just idiotic enough to let us go over the cliff to the thunderous applause of the GOP (and Russia).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:12:20am

re: #94 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Arianespace Soyuz/CSO 1 also scrubbed, high altitude winds
New launch time: Dec. 19 16:37:14 GMT (11:37:14 a.m. EST)

Looks like SpaceX has set their launch back another 10 minutes, per the tweet FDD posted. The first delay was the same thing: “high-altitude winds” I have a feeling they’ll run out the launch window this way….

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:16:29am

Space X feed is now live. We’ll see if they have to scrub because of high altitude winds as well.

GPS III SV01 MISSION

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:16:47am

re: #86 lawhawk

He doesn’t have to do anything. They were already primed for Trump and Trump mirrors what the base has long wanted. They wanted a racist reactionary know nothing sabotaging functioning govt, and that’s precisely what they got.

I get that, definitely, but historically, the GOP wasn’t stupid, politically. They just got the biggest routing in, I believe, US history so they…double down on the loser? This makes zero sense to me.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:18:18am

re: #98 MsJ

They’re taking all the wrong lessons from this - that if they are more extreme they’ll do better next time. They think that the ones who lost were the ones who got squishy on the issues Trump favors.

Same as the past few elections frankly. The GOP has become more extreme, and think that their success comes from being even more extreme.

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:19:01am

re: #93 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The experts at Bloomberg are baffled by Trump’s Fed tweet, especially his “stop the 50B” remark.

Did they watch the daily dumber than stumps Fox & Friends? That usually explains trump tweets.

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jeffreyw  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:23:46am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:26:43am

re: #90 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not yet 9 am and the president has:
-tweet-raged about Strzok and Page
-wished Flynn good luck at sentencing
-directed Fed to “feel the market”
-attacked Facebook, Twitter & Google for bias
-complained about immigration
-called for end of Russia probe citing a reporter’s comment

— Philip Rucker

Shame Rucker didn’t include DJT’s tweet threatening Russia for manipulating social media during 2016 election.

Oh, wait, Donny didn’t tweet such a threat, did he?

/

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:28:42am

Falcon 9 is in an unknown abort condition.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:29:13am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:30:01am

SCRUB

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:30:18am

Launch has been scrubbed Damn IT!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:31:09am

re: #103 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Falcon 9 is in an unknown abort condition.

24 hour recycle. Damn, same crunch tomorrow morning!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:31:34am

Well, everything has slipped, so we can still get 5 launches in under 24 hrs

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:32:36am

re: #108 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, everything has slipped, so we can still get 5 launches in under 24 hrs

ULA’s NROL launch, too?

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:33:46am

re: #107 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

re: #108 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yep. Onboard launch computer issued the abort. Hopefully they will be able to correct before tomorrows launch window.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:34:35am

re: #109 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

ULA’s NROL launch, too?

I think that one is still a go at this time.

Clock is still counting down.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:35:43am

re: #111 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

I think that one is still a go at this time.

I’mma need a nap before then….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:37:10am

re: #109 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

ULA’s NROL launch, too?

No, it’s still a go for this evening 8:57pm EST / 5:57pm PST. With the other 4 launches within 15 hrs after

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:37:17am

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’mma need a nap before then….

You got 11 hrs to get one in.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:38:28am

The thing is though through it all Trump remains popular with the GOP base. As long as he does, the GOP leadership and elected officials will act accordingly.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:40:52am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

The thing is though through it all Trump remains popular with the GOP base. As long as he does, the GOP leadership and elected officials will act accordingly.

They see their percentage of “Republican voters” going up, and refuse to admit (or realize) that that’s because that’s an ever-shrinking proportion of the electorate.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:43:35am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:44:48am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:46:19am

re: #116 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They see their percentage of “Republican voters” going up, and refuse to admit (or realize) that that’s because that’s an ever-shrinking proportion of the electorate.

The suburbs used to be GOP land. I think they will be firm Dem territory before too long. The GOP is a sick man. He’s not dead yet but he can’t keep on smoking cigarettes and drinking booze daily forever without it hurting him in the long urn.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:47:16am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

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Yes Paul, we know you were a fuck you, I got mine preppy evil asshole 18 years ago even. You won’t be missed in Congress except by your donors. Regular people see you going and it’s good riddance to that douchebag.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:48:11am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Yes Paul, we know you were a fuck you, I got mine preppy evil asshole 18 years ago even. You won’t be missed in Congress except by your donors. Regular people see you going and it’s good riddance to that douchebag.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:49:02am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

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Totally. God I hate that guy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:49:42am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:53:49am

A Russian, who is studying at the University of Florida, and an Italian surgeon perfecting the procedure in China.
Come on, it’s also as good as Ray Milland getting his head attached to Rosey Grier

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:55:04am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:56:08am

The problem the GOP I think is going to have long term is they have no plan to embrace our nation’s changing demographics. They just want to stick with the angry old people who are mad about those changes now and the small minority of young people who agree with that and hope enough young people stay that way.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 6:57:17am

re: #125 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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We have a word for fake tough guys like Mr. Cox where I come from and it’s called a loser. Get a job, you asshole. Antifa isn’t coming for Flynn despite the fantasies you get told like the left is ultra violent and Trump gives two shits about youn.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:12:03am

Individual one is especially unhinged this beautiful morning.

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Teukka  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:12:52am

re: #128 Dr. Matt

Individual one is especially unhinged this beautiful morning.

[question type=rhethorical]
Was [Individual 1] ever hinged to begin with?
[/question]

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:14:23am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:15:42am

re: #130 Patricia Kayden

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Yeah I caught that yesterday. Charlotte rules.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:19:58am
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ObserverArt  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:20:35am

re: #125 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Stephanie Mencimer ✔
@smencimer
Chris Cox from Bikers for Trump is outside the DC federal courthouse with his dog Trigger where he says he’s come to defend Michael Flynn’s family from Antifa, though admits that Antifa doesn’t seem to be here.

9:45 AM - Dec 18, 2018

Does this idiot feel even the slightest bit embarrassed?

We used to ask what is in the water when people acted stupid.

Now it should be what is in the website they are reading?

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:21:54am

re: #125 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I just hope the dog doesn’t get hurt or hurt anybody because of its idiot owner.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:29:29am

re: #132 Patricia Kayden

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Yep. The Fed is supposed to be a neutral institution isolated from politics. This is dangerous stuff.

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Jay C  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:40:33am

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

Yep. The Fed is supposed to be a neutral institution isolated from politics. This is dangerous stuff.

And “Stop with the 50 B’s”??
WTF?
Even for Trump-speak, this is pretty opaque…

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:40:54am

Also, Trump’s tweet about Flynn this morning seems like a flare signal offering a pardon. Though I admit that if Flynn has cooperated as extensively as he seems to have done then it probably wouldn’t matter.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:41:33am

re: #136 Jay C

And “Stop with the 50 B’s”??
WTF?
Even for Trump-speak, this is pretty opaque…

Yeah, I’m no economist but I have absolutely no idea WTF that’s about.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:45:43am

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

Yep. The Fed is supposed to be a neutral institution isolated from politics. This is dangerous stuff.

Remember when Obama threatened the Fed and how upset all the pundits on Faux were…

oh wait no that actually never happened.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:46:25am

lol, Washington Post Breaking News Banner:

BREAKING: White House signals it will back down on President Trump’s demand for border wall funding and avert a partial government shutdown

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:47:26am

re: #125 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The. Antifa. Are. The. DeepState. In. The. Courtroom.

/

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:48:18am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

The. Antifa. Are. The. DeepState. In. The. Courtroom.

/

You know full well that Alex Jones and his crazies believe that Mueller not only has Antifa on his staff but is a founding member himself.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:48:28am

re: #140 bd(Redacted)

lol, Washington Post Breaking News Banner:

Such a Great Victory by our MAGA Potus. Owned the Libtards again! No Shutdown the LIbs wanted!

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Belafon  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:49:09am

re: #70 Dr Lizardo

That was the short that showed before Incredibles 2.

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Jay C  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:49:14am

re: #138 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, I’m no economist but I have absolutely no idea WTF that’s about.

Well, let’s see if it makes any more sense graphed out:

BBBBBBBBBB
BBBBBBBBBB
BBBBBBBBBB
BBBBBBBBBB
BBBBBBBBBB

Nope.

About the only thing I can think might vaguely apply is that the Moron-in-Chief is referring to “50 Basis Points”, i.e. the interest-rate increments the Fed pops the base lending rates up (or down) by - but then, it’s Trump, WTH knows what he’s talking about?

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:49:56am

re: #143 Sir John Barron

Such a Great Victory by our MAGA Potus. Owned the Libtards again! No Shutdown the LIbs wanted!

HE MADE SCHUMER CAVE!!!

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:51:49am

Meanwhile, saw on JoeMika this morning that the travel ban is keeping the mother of a dying two-year-old from entering the country to see her child.

Sing it: “Oh little town of Bethlehem how still we see thee lie….”

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 18, 2018 • 7:59:53am

re: #137 Barefoot Grin

Also, Trump’s tweet about Flynn this morning seems like a flare signal offering a pardon. Though I admit that if Flynn has cooperated as extensively as he seems to have done then it probably wouldn’t matter.

I was afraid wishful thinking would lead me astray, so I was really reluctant to buy into the idea there is a sealed indictment against Trump already. It sure looks like it.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:00:52am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:02:30am

re: #149 lawhawk

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The Trump Foundation was always what his people said the Clinton Foundation was.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:02:34am

re: #144 Belafon

That was the short that showed before Incredibles 2.

So I understand; Bao wasn’t shown here in Czech Republic - there wasn’t any short film before Incredibles 2.

Good little short film, though. Says a great deal without saying a word.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:04:47am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

The Trump Foundation was always what his people said the Clinton Foundation was.

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ObserverArt  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:06:02am

So I see up thread Trump is taking over the entire RNC for his campaign.

I sure hope that is a complete disaster and starts the take down of the whole Republican party.

The Republicans seem to only be into it for the rich boomers to get as much as they can out of the system before they pass on. Set their families up with big estates and then die off. No need for the former Grand Old Party after they are dead.

I just wonder what the younger water carries like say a Matt Gaetz will do when faced with a party no one will want in the future?

Maybe they are getting paid enough now to pad them over in the future and it will be all over for them too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:06:20am

re: #152 lawhawk

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FNC does nothing but play identity politics every single fucking Christmas season when they cry about the War on Christmas and embrace Trump. What the Dems do and they’re right to do it is acknowledge that yeah race, ethnicity, and gender are a thing in this country and denying it. FNC really needs to shut the fuck up and actually report news instead of beign a pathetic two bit Propaganda outlet.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:06:42am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:07:25am

re: #52 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Fascinating thread on how corn is not just a food, but a platform for a wide variety of industries in the USA.

Yes, it has little to do with our notions of agriculture, it is more about mass-producing a raw material for industrial processes.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:08:41am

re: #153 ObserverArt

So I see up thread Trump is taking over the entire RNC for his campaign.

I sure hope that is a complete disaster and starts the take down of the whole Republican party.

The Republicans seem to only be into it for the rich boomers to get as much as they can out of the system before they pass on. Set their families up with big estates and then die off. No need for the former Grand Old Party after they are dead.

I just wonder what the younger water carries like say a Matt Gaetz will do when faced with a party no one will want in the future?

Maybe they are getting paid enough now to pad them over in the future and it will be all over for them too.

I think some people who have said they want to create a sort of Apartheid like state have it right. They know the country is changing and their answer isn’t to embrace it or not be bigoted assholes but to increase their own power while weakening Dems i.e. what we saw in Wisconsin.If a Republican governor is elected in Wisconsin again, they will give him back the power Walker had and more. Just as they will complain about any use of executive power by the new Dem governors.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:09:32am

Hmmm……looks like former Fed Chairman Greenspan is predicting stagflation on the horizon. Blecch. I still remember the stagflation of the 70’s.

The former chairman also warned that the United States may be poised for a period of stagflation, “a toxic mix” when the economy suffers from high inflation and high unemployment. The last time the country experienced such an episode was in the 1970s and early 1980s.

“How long it lasts or how big it gets, it’s too soon to tell,” said Greenspan. “We’ll know it when we get on top of it.”

edition.cnn.com

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ObserverArt  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:12:28am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, it has little to do with our notions of agriculture, it is more about mass-producing a raw material for industrial processes.

Same as soy beans. Used in all kinds of industrial products. I bet 20% or less is used for food products.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:12:37am

re: #64 Scottish Dragon

Tobacco was currency here in NC before and during the Revolution.

Cigarettes are currency in prison…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:13:00am

re: #76 MsJ

This is something. What does trump have on these people?

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It’s not what Trump has on them.

It’s what Putin has on them—lots of juicy Kompromat!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:17:49am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

I think some people who have said they want to create a sort of Apartheid like state have it right. They know the country is changing and their answer isn’t to embrace it or not be bigoted assholes but to increase their own power while weakening Dems i.e. what we saw in Wisconsin.If a Republican governor is elected in Wisconsin again, they will give him back the power Walker had and more. Just as they will complain about any use of executive power by the new Dem governors.

A 1000 times yes! They want to turn us into a Russia, which continues to have “elections” with only one outcome permitted.

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Belafon  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:18:17am

re: #136 Jay C

And “Stop with the 50 B’s”??
WTF?
Even for Trump-speak, this is pretty opaque…

50 Bs is 50 basis points, Federal reserve speak for a half percentage change in rates.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:18:45am

re: #155 Patricia Kayden

This is turning out to be a fascinating Infrastructure Week.

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Belafon  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:19:05am

re: #145 Jay C

Well, let’s see if it makes any more sense graphed out:

BBBBBBBBBB
BBBBBBBBBB
BBBBBBBBBB
BBBBBBBBBB
BBBBBBBBBB

Nope.

About the only thing I can think might vaguely apply is that the Moron-in-Chief is referring to “50 Basis Points”, i.e. the interest-rate increments the Fed pops the base lending rates up (or down) by - but then, it’s Trump, WTH knows what he’s talking about?

No, but he heard it on TV.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:20:03am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

The thing is though through it all Trump remains popular with the GOP base. As long as he does, the GOP leadership and elected officials will act accordingly.

If they lose that solid base, they have no chance at all.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:20:42am

re: #149 lawhawk

I expect we’ll be hearing more about whether DJT can pardon himself, even for state crimes, and how none of these charges are really crimes anyway and how all the investigations of him should be shutdown and WHATABOUT……

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:21:04am

re: #163 Belafon

50 Bs is 50 basis points, Federal reserve speak for a half percentage change in rates.

Shouldn’t it be 50 bps not 50 B’s?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:21:47am

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

Yep. The Fed is supposed to be a neutral institution isolated from politics. This is dangerous stuff.

And the Fed is supposed to base its decisions on facts and statistics, not on “feel”.

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Belafon  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:22:24am

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

Shouldn’t it be 50 bps not 50 B’s?

Yeah, if you’re not Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:24:16am

re: #159 ObserverArt

Same as soy beans. Used in all kinds of industrial products. I bet 20% or less is used for food products.

Some days when the wind was right we could smell Archer Daniels Midland located in Decatur, IL 40 miles away in Champaign. Huge processors of soy and corn.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:26:54am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they lose that solid base, they have no chance at all.

Exactly. And I don’t see that changing.

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makeitstop  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:27:08am

I’ll bet Trump actually believes dissolving his ‘foundation’ is going to make the investigation go away.

Dream on, Spankee.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:28:16am
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dangerman  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:29:06am

We Know Where the Tax Break Went (electoral-vote.com)

…The theory behind trickle-down economics….
.
It never works out like that, though, not under Ronald Reagan, and certainly not under George W. Bush. Now, with year-end reports in across Wall Street, it’s clear that it didn’t work like that under Donald Trump, either.

The news on Monday is that corporations bought back $1 trillion of their own stock in the first full year under the new tax law. That leaves the previous record of $718 billion, set in 2015, in the dust (even if adjusting for inflation).

Naturally, stock buybacks do not “trickle down” to the masses, as only half the country has money invested in the stock market at all, and for the majority of those it’s in the form of retirement accounts that they cannot touch for decades. If the GOP had promised prosperity for some people, and in 30 years, then they could fairly claim to have delivered. But they promised prosperity now, and for everyone, and that most certainly did not—and will not—happen due to the tax cut. And even for the 50% of the country that owns stock, things are not so rosy. The Dow Jones index is down 12% from its high point in January. (Z)

should i just bold and italics the whole thing?

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freetoken  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:29:22am

Tweeters are roasting the appointment of McSally… which is no surprise.

Participation trophies started long before the “millennials”.

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makeitstop  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:29:32am

re: #174 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Judge Sullivan asks Flynn if he wished to challenge the circumstances by which he was interviewed by the FBI. “No, your honor.”

And there goes every idiotic argument put up by Giuliani and Dershowitz for the past week.

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makeitstop  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:31:18am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:31:34am

re: #167 Sir John Barron

I expect we’ll be hearing more about whether DJT can pardon himself, even for state crimes, and how none of these charges are really crimes anyway and how all the investigations of him should be shutdown and WHATABOUT……

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Jay C  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:31:38am

re: #176 freetoken

Tweeters are roasting the appointment of McSally… which is no surprise.

Participation trophies started long before the “millennials”.

So Martha got the nod (and a Senate seat) after all?
Quelle surprise!
Not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:31:48am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Exactly. And I don’t see that changing.

They had a winning strategy: count on that 30% base getting out to vote and suppressing enough of the rest of the vote to ensure that they generated an electoral majority.

It is starting to fail them, though.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:32:13am

re: #177 makeitstop

And there goes every idiotic argument put up by Giuliani and Dershowitz for the past week.

Yeah, except that line of argument should never have been entertained by anyone in the media or by any responsible public official.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:32:31am

re: #178 makeitstop

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The Judge doesn’t sound at all pleased with the bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:32:32am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They had a winning strategy: count on that 30% base getting out to vote and suppressing enough of the rest of the vote to ensure that they generated an electoral majority.

It is starting to fail them, though.

It has failed them.

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dangerman  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:33:01am

re: #132 Patricia Kayden

Donald J. Trump
I hope the people over at the Fed will read today’s Wall Street Journal Editorial before they make yet another mistake. Also, don’t let the market become any more illiquid than it already is. Stop with the 50 B’s. Feel the market, don’t just go by meaningless numbers. Good luck!

you shoulda kept yellen
she was a dove with rates

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:33:08am

re: #178 makeitstop

Reminder: Flynn led the RNC in chants of LOCK HER UP.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:33:14am

re: #177 makeitstop

And there goes every idiotic argument put up by Giuliani and Dershowitz for the past week.

Yep. He knew lying to the FBI was crime regardless of the context of the interview. Yet he did it anyway and got busted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:33:55am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

It has failed them.

It cost them the House, but they will have to do a lot worse before they are motivated enough to start thinking about how to change it

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:34:29am

re: #178 makeitstop

I hope Devin Nunes, among others, feels stupid or some sense of shame right now for spreading this nonsense.

(I know, I know…..)

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:35:09am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

It has failed them.

It did this year. If it fails them again in 2020 with regard to the Senate and the White House, they’ll have to either make a seismic shift in their political strategy or triple down on their current strategy.

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:35:45am

re: #180 Jay C

So Martha got the nod (and a Senate seat) after all?
Quelle surprise!
Not.

The Arizona Republic, the biggest newspaper in the Phoenix metro area, had suggested this shortly after the election when it looked like Simena was going to win. It’s not terribly surprising, and given some of the alternatives, I’m fine with McSally over say: Arpaio or Brewer or some other wingnut deluxe edition stupidity.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:36:14am

Karma is a bitch, and right now, the judge may be in no mood to accept the sentencing recommendation by prosecutors given the bulkshit coming from Flynn’s direction, even as Flynn says he accepts responsibility.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:38:48am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It cost them the house, but they will have to do a lot worse before they starting thinking about changing it

Yep. They kept the Senate. They will pull out all stops to retain the Senate; unless the SCOTUS intervenes — and this GOP led SCOTUS won’t, they will design even more ways to disenfranchise minorities. If the GOP is allowed to keep NC- District 9 House seat, then all bets are off for any legitimate election anywhere in this country.

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calochortus  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:41:07am

re: #185 dangerman

you shoulda kept yellen
she was a dove with rates

The Fed might be trying to get rates up enough that they have something to work with when the economy goes south. Without, of course, hastening that southward trend.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:41:27am

This is how House Democrats plan to obtain ‘15 to 20 years’ of Trump’s tax returns next year

According to the Post, Democrats plan on using “a little-known 1924 provision in the Internal Revenue Code” that requires the treasury secretary to deliver the tax returns of any individual if requested by the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, the Senate Finance Committee or the Joint Committee on Taxation.

The Trump administration would likely challenge this in court and demand that Congress deliver a legal justification for what would essentially be a subpoena of the president’s taxes.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:43:42am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:45:50am

re: #196 lawhawk

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To the surprise of no one.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:46:18am

re: #189 Sir John Barron

I hope Devin Nunes, among others, feels stupid or some sense of shame right now for spreading this nonsense.

(I know, I know…..)

None of them feel a sense of remorse. Their purpose is to keep their base engaged and voting; the base is already seeped into the world of alternative facts and this is just another one that they willingly swallow.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:47:19am

re: #192 lawhawk

Karma is a bitch, and right now, the judge may be in no mood to accept the sentencing recommendation by prosecutors given the bulkshit coming from Flynn’s direction, even as Flynn says he accepts responsibility.

As a regular thing, I’m not a fan of a judge’s “mood” having any bearing on a case, but this time, I’ll take it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:48:31am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

To the surprise of no one.

Now Az Democrats need to come up with another quality candidate and beat McSally again in 2020!

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garzooma  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:49:21am

re: #187 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Yep. He knew lying to the FBI was crime regardless of the context of the interview. Yet he did it anyway and got busted.

Also, it isn’t just lying. The FBI was investigating an attack by Russia. Flynn was protecting those criminals by not telling the FBI what he know.

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makeitstop  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:49:52am

Take a seat, Rudy and Dersh.

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:49:55am

re: #192 lawhawk

Karma is a bitch, and right now, the judge may be in no mood to accept the sentencing recommendation by prosecutors given the bulkshit coming from Flynn’s direction, even as Flynn says he accepts responsibility.

I hope that’s the case. I honestly do.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:50:30am

re: #199 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sorry about that—I had to restart Firefox, and I always forget that your previous post reappears in the box when you do that….

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:50:33am

re: #196 lawhawk

McSally is probably the least terrible appointment Doucy could make. Do we really want Senator Kelli Ward? Or Senator Joe Arpaio? Or Senator Jan Brewer?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:51:19am

re: #193 Hecuba’s daughter

Yep. They kept the Senate. They will pull out all stops to retain the Senate; unless the SCOTUS intervenes — and this GOP led SCOTUS won’t, they will design even more ways to disenfranchise minorities. If the GOP is allowed to keep NC- District 9 House seat, then all bets are off for any legitimate election anywhere in this country.

The good news is that Nancy Pelosi has something to say about that, and I would bet money there is no way in Hell she’s going to seat that criminal in the House.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:52:11am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:52:53am

So — what’s up with this? Banning bump stocks? Trump administration is doing something that really upsets its base?

cnn.com

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:55:27am

In summary:

Trump Foundation
Ordered to Shut Down

Trump University
$25 Million Fraud Settlement

Trump Campaign
Under investigation

Trump Transition
Under investigation

Trump Inauguration
Under investigation

Trump Organization
Under investigation

#WINNING

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dangerman  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:55:30am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They had a winning strategy: count on that 30% base getting out to vote and suppressing enough of the rest of the vote to ensure that they generated an electoral majority.

It is starting to fail them, though.

they think that no one finding out is the same as it being legitimate

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:55:55am

re: #208 Hecuba’s daughter

They are apparently reclassifying bump stocks as machine guns, making them functionally illegal under the National Firearms Act. The problem is enforcement. Those in possession would have to turn them in.

Without any teeth to enforcement, it’s an empty gesture. Maybe Trump thinks he can blame Democrats for enforcing the law.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:56:02am

re: #201 garzooma

Also, it isn’t just lying. The FBI was investigating an attack by Russia. Flynn was protecting those criminals by not telling the FBI what he know.

Flynn had two options during the interview that might have kept him out of hot water. Answer the questions truthfully or not at all. He chose to lie and is now paying the price. Hopefully with some jail time

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dangerman  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:56:52am

re: #192 lawhawk

Karma is a bitch, and right now, the judge may be in no mood to accept the sentencing recommendation by prosecutors given the bulkshit coming from Flynn’s direction, even as Flynn says he accepts responsibility.

if they screw this up for him, flynn’s lawyers are gonna need lawyers….

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:56:58am

Shortly, Donnie’s base is going to let us know how banning bump stocks is actually “owning the libs”.

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calochortus  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:57:36am

I don’t know if this has been posted, but Texas Trump voter is concerned that the border wall she wants will affect her. Oh the horror.

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Mattand  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:57:41am

re: #208 Hecuba’s daughter

So — what’s up with this? Banning bump stocks? Trump administration is doing something that really upsets its base?

cnn.com

Looks like. Add in Flynn possibly getting the book thrown at him and Orange Julius Cesaer folding over the wall again, it’s shaping up to be a nice day.

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dangerman  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:58:05am

re: #194 calochortus

The Fed might be trying to get rates up enough that they have something to work with when the economy goes south. Without, of course, hastening that southward trend.

certainly
im only pointing out he coulda had what he says he wants by, once again, doing nothing

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freetoken  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:59:05am

re: #217 dangerman

The Fed definitely wants to avoid a Japan-situation, where the interest rate had to be dropped to zero (and in some cases the net interest rate was negative.)

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calochortus  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:59:07am

re: #217 dangerman

certainly
im only pointing out he coulda had what he says he wants by, once again, doing nothing

But that’s what happens when there are two different things that you really, really want. Why should he have to choose between them?

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Mattand  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:59:23am

re: #215 calochortus

I don’t know if this has been posted, but Texas Trump voter is concerned that the border wall she wants will affect her. Oh the horror.

Yeah, she can go hang out with the soybean farmers who are still supporting Trump, even after he destroyed their businesses with the tariffs, and compare useful idiot notes.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:59:35am

re: #185 dangerman

you shoulda kept yellen
she was a dove with rates

Woulda been jellin’ with Yellen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 8:59:59am

re: #210 dangerman

they think that no one finding out is the same as it being legitimate

getting away with it is all that counts, and then if it comes out, they “investigate” themselves…

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calochortus  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:00:36am

re: #220 Mattand

Yeah, she can go hang out with the soybean farmers who are still supporting Trump, even after he destroyed their businesses with the tariffs, and compare useful idiot notes.

Leopards Eating Faces Party members.

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Alephnaught  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:00:58am

Wonder if shutting down the Trump Foundation just before Flynn’s sentencing hearing is a case of “burying bad news”…

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:01:33am
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:03:22am

re: #208 Hecuba’s daughter

So — what’s up with this? Banning bump stocks? Trump administration is doing something that really upsets its base?

cnn.com

The NRA previously said they’d be okay with this specifically because it’s not legislation and Trump’s admin felt a need to be seen doing something before another one gets used in a mass shooting. They also probably wanted to give Senate Republicans a pretext to ignore any bill the incoming Dem House sends their way. This ban will get challenged in court and likely tossed since bump stocks don’t actually create machine guns as defined under federal law and there’s no current legal basis for the ATF issuing such a rule, so I think the best way to view it is as a stalling tactic. They’re hoping to push real action on the entire issue beyond the 2020 election cycle.

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Alephnaught  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:03:51am

Not familiar with the Logan act. Any lizard know about it?

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calochortus  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:05:40am

re: #227 Alephnaught

Not familiar with the Logan act. Any lizard know about it?

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Isn’t that private individuals essentially conducting diplomacy?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:06:35am

re: #227 Alephnaught

Not familiar with the Logan act. Any lizard know about it?

Logan acts like a badass at will.

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Alephnaught  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:06:55am

EDIT: They’re now in recess, at Flynn’s request, until 12:30.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:07:52am

Judge asks if Flynn’s conduct is “treasonous activity”

From CNN’s Katelyn Polantz

Judge Emmet Sullivan asked in court today if Michael Flynn’s conduct “rises to the level of treasonous activity?”

Prosecutor Brandon Van Grack, speaking for the special counsel’s office, said prosecutors did not consider charging Flynn with treason.

Then Sullivan asked again: “Could he have been charged with treason?”

Van Grack wouldn’t go there.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:07:56am

re: #230 Alephnaught

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Boy, this judge is grumpy today! Good!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:08:10am

re: #230 Alephnaught

Judge Sullivan now asking whether Flynn could have been charged with treason (!).
Van Grack doesn’t want to answer.
— Andrew Prokop (@awprokop) December 18, 2018

That sound you hear is Traitor Flynn’s heart beat.

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nines09  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:08:41am

re: #229 Dr. Matt
Changing of shorts?

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:09:25am

Interesting side note from McSally getting the appointment for the next two years, in the next Congress six states will be represented by two women in the Senate - Arizona, California, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, and Washington. Arizona is the only state that will have women from both parties representing it. The 12 women from these six states also make up a majority of the 22 women in the Senate come January.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:09:26am

re: #234 nines09

Changing of shorts?

And that explains the smell…..

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Jay C  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:09:39am

re: #228 calochortus

Yep.
Although according to Wikipedia, it’s an old (1799) law, but not exactly a fundamental part of American jurisprudence:

Only two people have ever been indicted on charges of violating the Act, one in 1802 and the other in 1852. Neither was convicted of violating the Act.

Maybe the Trump Administration will make history!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:09:57am

re: #231 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Judge asks if Flynn’s conduct is “treasonous activity”

From CNN’s Katelyn Polantz

Judge Emmet Sullivan asked in court today if Michael Flynn’s conduct “rises to the level of treasonous activity?”

Prosecutor Brandon Van Grack, speaking for the special counsel’s office, said prosecutors did not consider charging Flynn with treason.

Then Sullivan asked again: “Could he have been charged with treason?”

Van Grack wouldn’t go there.

Ex-Military Official and NSA who led LOCK HER UP chant of political opposition now being associated with Treason.

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dangerman  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:10:01am

re: #195 Dr. Matt

This is how House Democrats plan to obtain ‘15 to 20 years’ of Trump’s tax returns next year

- the chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and Senate Finance Committee are authorized to request the president’s tax returns from the IRS to conduct an investigation.

- they can but dont have to disclose to anyone that they’ve requested the president’s returns.

- oh, and it’s not like a subpoena. it’s a black and white law.
so explain how this law applies to everyone else and not you because its important for the american public to know that the IRS treats you the same as any other taxpayer without any preferential treatment.

also, whether the committees decide to disclose to the full houses is a different matter.

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nines09  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:10:21am

In other news, today is Keith Richards 75th birthday. Still a talent. Still a sharp wit. Still kicking. And you thought drugs were dangerous.

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:15:02am

re: #232 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Boy, this judge is grumpy today! Good!

How long until Judge Sullivan is accused of being part of the deep state/vast leftwing conspiracy trying to get revenge for Clinton (he was appointed by Bill Clinton)? And odds that Trump is the first to do it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:16:23am

re: #240 nines09

In other news, today is Keith Richards 75th birthday. Still a talent. Still a sharp wit. Still kicking. And you thought drugs were dangerous.

the drugs were balanced out with alcohol

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:17:01am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

the drugs were balanced out with alcohol

And the drugs were always pharmaceutical grade….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:17:03am

JFC

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:17:29am

re: #241 KGxvi

How long until Judge Sullivan is accused of being part of the deep state/vast leftwing conspiracy trying to get revenge for Clinton (he was appointed by Bill Clinton)? And odds that Trump is the first to do it?

Crooked Judge appointed by Crooked Slimy Bill being Very Political against Flynn on bogus charges. Better lawyers! He’s been very Local to ME.

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makeitstop  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:17:53am

re: #240 nines09

In other news, today is Keith Richards 75th birthday. Still a talent. Still a sharp wit. Still kicking. And you thought drugs were dangerous.

My Spirit Animal, minus the heroin and weapons. :)

Happy Birthday, Keef, you magnificent wreck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:18:32am

re: #243 Barefoot Grin

And the drugs were always pharmaceutical grade….

and he could afford a Swiss clinic to get his blood replaced on a regular basis

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:19:12am

re: #235 KGxvi

Interesting side note from McSally getting the appointment for the next two years, in the next Congress six states will be represented by two women in the Senate - Arizona, California, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, and Washington. Arizona is the only state that will have women from both parties representing it. The 12 women from these six states also make up a majority of the 22 women in the Senate come January.

Sorry, miscounted, there will be 25 women in the Senate next year. That’s what I get for looking at a current list instead of a list for the next Congress - missed a few new members.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:19:14am

re: #238 Sir John Barron

Ex-Military Official and NSA who led LOCK HER UP chant of political opposition now being associated with Treason.

Well it sounds like he isn’t going to be giving much weight to Muellers recommendation of no jail time. This Judge is pissed.

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:20:06am

re: #245 Sir John Barron

Crooked Judge appointed by Crooked Slimy Bill being Very Political against Flynn on bogus charges. Better lawyers! He’s been very Local to ME.

I wish that I could give this an extra upding for the “Local” instead of “Loyal” part.

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gocart mozart  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:20:56am
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calochortus  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:22:17am

re: #251 gocart mozart

LOLOLOL

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:23:35am

re: #251 gocart mozart

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Ok, this is the point at which I just start pouring the vodka directly into my eyeballs.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:23:46am

re: #245 Sir John Barron

First appointed to the federal bench by…. Reagan. Named associate justice to the court by… GHW Bush. Named judge by Clinton.

Yeah, that’ll really stick.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:23:51am

re: #251 gocart mozart

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WTF are these people talking about? The judge just accused Flynn of treason. Actually used the word ‘treason’ and then asked the government why they had not charged him.

BTW…all those pet theories by Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley just went out the fucking window.

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makeitstop  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:24:50am

re: #255 Scottish Dragon

WTF are these people talking about? The judge just accused Flynn of treason. Actually used the word ‘treason’ and then asked the government why they had not charged him.

BTW…all those pet theories by Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley just went out the fucking window.

Don’t forget Rudy. Judge Sullivan made fools of all of them.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:25:10am

re: #251 gocart mozart

It’s not really a conviction or sentencing of Flynn/Drump, it’s really a conviction/sentencing of the Deep State. Flynn/Drumpy have the Deep State and Libs right where they want them. DJT playing eleventy-ish dimension checkers, I mean, chess.

/

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:25:42am

re: #252 calochortus

LOLOLOL

Tonight on Hannity….

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:26:09am

re: #254 lawhawk

First appointed to the federal bench by…. Reagan. Named associate justice to the court by… GHW Bush. Named judge by Clinton.

Yeah, that’ll really stick.

RINO

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:26:20am

meanwhile, at the Kentucky clusterf*ck:

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:26:48am
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fern01  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:27:07am

re: #225 lawhawk

The judge sure disagrees

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nines09  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:27:48am

Keith just seems to have had the right genes. I know town drunks still out and about while the church going finger wagging upright is no longer upright.
His excesses have been exaggerated too I suspect.
In any case, Happy Birthday Keef!
In other news, my other favorite guitarist Ronnie Wood is coming up on 72 on June 1st.
His early stuff was/is genius.

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Jay C  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:27:52am

re: #256 makeitstop

BTW…all those pet theories by Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley just went out the fucking window.

Don’t forget Rudy. Judge Sullivan made fools of all of them.

But seriously, how hard is that????

Not as hard, though, as the RW Derposphere seems to be trying to spin this shitshow as some sort of “win” for the Trumpetariat….

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:28:19am

re: #256 makeitstop

Don’t forget Rudy. Judge Sullivan made fools of all of them.

Judge Sullivan skewered Flynn’s legal team too.

He also wanted to know why prosecutors were advocating for a lax sentence given the facts and circumstances of the case. Prosecutors had to be coy with that one, but I think we know why. Flynn gave up info on everyone else in Trumpworld, from Trump on down. Everyone. Pence too. That’s my guess, and I’m sticking with it.

Mueller, EDVA, and SDNY are all benefiting from what Flynn has told them.

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ObserverArt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:29:04am

re: #173 makeitstop

I’ll bet Trump actually believes dissolving his ‘foundation’ is going to make the investigation go away.

Dream on, Spankee.

I heard a comment last night about how Trump was always used to paying back, or writing a check, whatever he could do to get himself out of sticky situations.

He thinks he can still do that with government infractions.

It doesn’t work that way…Spankee!

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gocart mozart  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:29:08am
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:30:04am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:30:38am

re: #240 nines09

In other news, today is Keith Richards 75th birthday. Still a talent. Still a sharp wit. Still kicking. And you thought drugs were dangerous.

Keith Richards will survive the heat death of the universe. In all the vastness of all that is, in those vast gulfs of infinite void, only Keith Richards will remain.

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:31:21am

re: #263 nines09

Keith just seems to have had the right genes. I know town drunks still out and about while the church going finger wagging upright is no longer upright.
His excesses have been exaggerated too I suspect.
In any case, Happy Birthday Keef!
In other news, my other favorite guitarist Ronnie Wood is coming up on 72 on June 1st.
His early stuff was/is genius.

I’m not sure there’s a right answer to long life. My great-grandfather lived to his mid-90s, smoking god knows how many Cuban cigars until he came to the US in the mid-80s, when he cut down to one or two cigars a day… because they weren’t as good here as they were in Cuba.

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gocart mozart  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:33:02am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:33:07am

re: #267 gocart mozart

Parody or nah?

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:35:33am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:35:51am

re: #267 gocart mozart

“Comey” (v) means to interfere illicitly with an election. For example “The Chicago Democrat machine comied the 1960 election.” This usage derived from Comey’s interference in 2016 election by failing to prosecute and then an unprecedented release of incriminating facts.

— Rudy Giuliani

Area lawyer says politician he doesn’t like should have been prosecuted but that politicians he does like should not be prosecuted.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:37:29am

re: #270 KGxvi

I’m not sure there’s a right answer to long life. My great-grandfather lived to his mid-90s, smoking god knows how many Cuban cigars until he came to the US in the mid-80s, when he cut down to one or two cigars a day… because they weren’t as good here as they were in Cuba.

Maybe if a person does all the bad things, rather than just one bad thing (like only being a smoker), all the bad stuff will cancel out, and that person will live a long life.

/

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:38:07am

re: #267 gocart mozart

Comey” (v) means to interfere illicitly with an election. For example “The Chicago Democrat machine comied the 1960 election.” This usage derived from Comey’s interference in 2016 election by failing to prosecute and then an unprecedented release of incriminating facts.

— Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) December 18, 2018

Donnie blew kisses at Comey after he was “elected”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:38:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:39:16am
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:39:21am
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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:40:14am

re: #275 Sir John Barron

Maybe if a person does all the bad things, rather than just one bad thing (like only being a smoker), all the bad stuff will cancel out, and that person will live a long life.

/

Mr. Burns is Indestructible

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MsJ  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:40:48am

re: #255 Scottish Dragon

WTF are these people talking about? The judge just accused Flynn of treason. Actually used the word ‘treason’ and then asked the government why they had not charged him.

BTW…all those pet theories by Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley just went out the fucking window.

Turley? Are you fucking kidding me?

Sigh. Iused to have such a crush on him.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:41:43am

re: #281 MsJ

Turley? Are you fucking kidding me?

Sigh. Iused to have such a crush on him.

Turley went hard wingnut. really damned strange and his comment section is rabid wingnut.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:42:41am

I am very concerned about the Flynn case. Why would anyone agree to cooperate with Mueller if the judge ignores the sentencing recommendations of the Mueller team and imposes a harsh sentence on them? After what happened with Cohen, this may discourage others.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:42:52am

Against the backdrop of his pending sentencing, let’s look back at Traitor Flynn’s rant against Hillary:

FLYNN: That’s right. Lock her up. That’s right. Lock her up. I’m going to tell you what, it’s unbelievable; it’s unbelievable.

(Audience: “Lock her up!”)

FLYNN: Yes; I use — I use #neverHillary; that’s what I use. I have called on Hillary Clinton, I have called on Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race because she, she put our nation’s security at extremely high risk with her careless use of a private e-mail server.

(Applause and cheers)

FLYNN: Lock her up. Lock her up.

(Audience: “Lock her up!”)

FLYNN: You guys are good. Damn right; exactly right. There’s nothing wrong with that.

L O L. Priceless

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:42:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:45:10am
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Dave In Austin  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:45:30am

So McSally gets unelected to McCain’s seat. Nice. I saw the tweet from Cindy…. It’s unadulterated bullshit. I know Cindy thinks is is too….

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:45:36am

re: #283 Hecuba’s daughter

I am very concerned about the Flynn case. Why would anyone agree to cooperate with Mueller if the judge ignores the sentencing recommendations of the Mueller team and imposes a harsh sentence on them? After what happened with Cohen, this may discourage others.

It may, but you can never tell when you go before a judge. The judge outright accused Flynn of treason and said that wold have a bearing in his sentence even if the government did not charge him as such.

That is why I am scoffing at all these idiots who kept saying treason was never on the table and silly liberal look at the definition in the constitution lol

If your sentencing judge calls you a traitor and says that will factor into your sentence…uh oh.

Wait,,,the judge backtracked?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:46:08am
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freetoken  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:47:03am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

So was the judge reading twitter while he was in recess???

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:47:15am

re: #283 Hecuba’s daughter

I am very concerned about the Flynn case. Why would anyone agree to cooperate with Mueller if the judge ignores the sentencing recommendations of the Mueller team and imposes a harsh sentence on them? After what happened with Cohen, this may discourage others.

It really only discourages putting rank fuckery in a defendant’s Aid in Sentencing filing. Flynn’s lawyers really did him a huge disservice when they cast doubt on the FBI’s conduct during his interview. The Judge also seems to be giving Flynn another bite at the apple, saying he can postpone his ruling if Flynn wants to go back and cooperate more.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:47:36am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well…that was real strange.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:47:59am
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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:48:36am

re: #283 Hecuba’s daughter

I am very concerned about the Flynn case. Why would anyone agree to cooperate with Mueller if the judge ignores the sentencing recommendations of the Mueller team and imposes a harsh sentence on them? After what happened with Cohen, this may discourage others.

Flynn’s own actions are directly responsible for what comes next.

Mueller was going with stick/carrot for the first to cooperate - which was Flynn, everyone after him gets a worse deal. That still stands.

The Judge rightfully points out that Flynn’s getting a sweetheart deal considering that he could and should have been charged with espionage/treason among other felonies. Prosecutors know this too. But they don’t want to jeopardize the investigations.

This should have been a no-drama situation, but Flynn’s actions have revealed that he’s still being disingenuous, which required the additional questions this AM. The judge can disregard the sentencing recommendations as being too lenient (this does happen periodically).

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:48:38am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wonder who got to him.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:49:38am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess the judge spoke to the prosecutors who reminded him that they have bigger fish to fry?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:49:52am

re: #296 Sir John Barron

Wonder who got to him.

I’m guessing lawyers from either side corrected the Judge.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:50:00am

re: #289 Scottish Dragon

It may, but you can never tell when you go before a judge. The judge outright accused Flynn of treason and said that wold have a bearing in his sentence even if the government did not charge him as such.

That is why I am scoffing at all these idiots who kept saying treason was never on the table and silly liberal look at the definition in the constitution lol

If your sentencing judge calls you a traitor and says that will factor into your sentence…uh oh.

It’s not that I wouldn’t love to see Mr “Lock Her Up” imprisoned for treason, it’s that I want the entire administration to be brought down and locked up — and Flynn is just a small cog.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:50:13am
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ObserverArt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:50:18am

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

SuperElite Ruby
@bleu_ruby
Individual 1: Torture works. Anyone would tell the truth to avoid additional torture.

Also Individual 1: Weak people will say anything to avoid prison time.

11:50 AM - Dec 18, 2018

Heh, that second point goes right to El Blimpo Trumpo.

Since elected he has been saying anything he can to avoid getting caught.

He has no clue as to how his tweets come off and the big holes he leaves open. I guess he is too busy saying anything.

He’s weak.

And guilty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:51:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:52:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:52:44am

and here it is

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:53:35am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:54:27am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

BREAKING: Flynn’s attorneys say they are now taking the judge up on his offer to delay today’s sentencing because he’s still cooperating with prosecutors.

— Steven Portnoy (@stevenportnoy) December 18, 2018

Donnie tweetstorm in 5…4…3….

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:54:32am

Miller Time!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:56:13am
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Skip Intro  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:56:35am

re: #291 freetoken

So was the judge reading twitter while he was in recess???

He got a call from a Trump surrogate saying it would be a shame if anything happened to his nice family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:56:48am

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:56:57am

Still cooperating with prosecutors… this is bad news for Trumpworld.

That means Flynn still has more to share with prosecutors about the inner workings of Trumpworld? Yup, that’s what it means.

That means bad things for all things Trump.

And as to Sullivan’s earlier statements about treason and why he wasn’t charged; this all makes sense too - Sullivan wanted to know why the prosecutors went with such a light charge and sentencing recommendation given the criminality they uncovered with Flynn. Again, it goes to Mueller’s intention to cut good deals with those first to flip, and progressively harsher deals as he works up the food chain. It’s what good prosecutors do.

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freetoken  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:57:43am

Cold today… at least it’s humid and not dry, so the heater can warm up the room.

Never liked winter, even here in California.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:58:15am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

the drugs were balanced out with alcohol

That’s what I tell my doctor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:58:37am
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gocart mozart  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:59:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:59:32am

ooooh

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makeitstop  Dec 18, 2018 • 9:59:45am

So, what are the odds that Trump is trying to figure out a way to drain the foundation’s funds before the judge can hand out the dough?

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:00:31am

re: #317 makeitstop

So, what are the odds that Trump is trying to figure out a way to drain the foundation’s funds before the judge can hand out the dough?

He can’t, because the judge has to approve the disposition. Any chicanery at this point would invoke the wrath of the courts and further criminal charges.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:00:48am

re: #317 makeitstop

That wager option is off the board. They don’t offer odds on sure things.

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Mattand  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:00:50am

re: #288 Dave In Austin

So McSally gets unelected to McCain’s seat. Nice. I saw the tweet from Cindy…. It’s unadulterated bullshit. I know Cindy thinks is is too….

IIRC, this is why she was downplaying (for the most part) the Trump-style voter fraud bullshit that other Republicans were whining about. She knew a seat was hers, one way or the other, and was trying to put on her civil face.

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freetoken  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:01:35am

re: #317 makeitstop

That was probably done a long time ago. The “Foundation” is probably just a gateway, a way to launder money before it goes into various off-shore accounts.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:01:46am

re: #309 Skip Intro

He got a call from a Trump surrogate saying it would be a shame if anything happened to his nice family.

Probably was told by Mueller that he was endangering prosecutions higher up the food chain and that Flynn had given them more than they wanted to let on.

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plansbandc  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:01:56am

re: #301 ObserverArt

El Blimpo Trumpo? heh!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:01:57am
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:03:32am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

ooooh

[Embedded content]

Different spanks for different ranks is a looooong standing sore point in the army.

Abu Ghraib is an example. Nobody above the rank E5 was ever even charged.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:04:37am

Damn it. I really really wanted to hang that treason canard out today, because I really do think he is a traitor.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:05:25am

Anybody have a guess about why Flynn’s lawyers put that shit in the memo, like do y’all think he pushed for it himself or what? Because it seems to have backfired spectacularly and man if they put that in there on their own they should really be refunding some of his money.

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ObserverArt  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:06:48am

re: #283 Hecuba’s daughter

I am very concerned about the Flynn case. Why would anyone agree to cooperate with Mueller if the judge ignores the sentencing recommendations of the Mueller team and imposes a harsh sentence on them? After what happened with Cohen, this may discourage others.

Or it might make some of them come clean knowing if they hold back they will get whacked doubly hard.

I think it sends a message to Paulie Manafort, Stone and others that may now come out because they may fear they are already known due to others working with Mueller and keeping quiet means things are going to get tougher and tougher.

The jail time meter is running…

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:06:52am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

while NOTHING happens to Hillary for selling 20% of our Uranium to Russia in exchange for $100’s of millions?

Yes, I remember well the investigation, facts revealed and indisputable, the prosecution, and the plea bargain that settled this case.

////

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:08:42am

re: #313 Single-handed sailor

Hah, I was caught by the Firefox comment box bug, too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:11:53am

good grief

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:12:43am

Flynn Jr. is as awful a piece of work as Trump Jr.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:12:44am
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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:13:42am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:15:54am

TFW you did not come to play.

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lawhawk  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:17:15am
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makeitstop  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:22:41am

The WH press briefing today outghta be lit.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:24:41am

re: #327 goddamnedfrank

Anybody have a guess about why Flynn’s lawyers put that shit in the memo, like do y’all think he pushed for it himself or what? Because it seems to have backfired spectacularly and man if they put that in there on their own they should really be refunding some of his money.

What was in what memo? That Flynn was “tricked” into lying?

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William Lewis  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:24:43am

Looking for some other info, I saw this as the .sig on a wingnut’s post:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.~John Adams 1798

Now, I’ve considered looking it up to see if it’s even a true quote but lets suppose it is because that’s a perfect explanation for Trumpism: that the system was designed presuming only decent people would run it and that’s why the GOP has been so successful is ratfucking the nation since 1980.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:24:57am

wondering if there are enough votes in the House…my guess is no.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:25:02am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:26:46am

re: #339 William Lewis

Looking for some other info, I saw this as the .sig on a wingnut’s post:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.~John Adams 1798

Now, I’ve considered looking it up to see if it’s even a true quote but lets suppose it is because that’s a perfect explanation for Trumpism: that the system was designed presuming only decent people would run it and that’s why the GOP has been so successful is ratfucking the nation since 1980.

I thought it was the opposite: that mankind is by nature self-seeking and driven by self-interest, thus requiring checks and balances, etc. If we were all virtuous no government would be needed….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:26:59am

re: #338 Sir John Barron

What was in what memo? That Flynn was “tricked” into lying?

In part, Sullivan seemed annoyed because Flynn’s lawyers used a recent sentencing memo not to signal remorse, but rather to imply that Flynn was railroaded. For instance, they mentioned that Flynn had been told that the FBI interview could be quicker if he didn’t have a lawyer present, and that he wasn’t explicitly warned that lying to the FBI would be a crime.

vox.com

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:32:33am

re: #338 Sir John Barron

What was in what memo? That Flynn was “tricked” into lying?

Sort of, his lawyers made a point of noting to the court that the FBI agents never warned him that lying to them would be a felony. I’m guessing it’s a fairly common thing in such plea deals to try and mitigate the seriousness of the offense but the way they did it here really seems to have pissed Sullivan off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:33:04am

(Jim Wayne is a Democrat)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:33:05am

re: #342 Sir John Barron

I thought it was the opposite: that mankind is by nature self-seeking and driven by self-interest, thus requiring checks and balances, etc. If we were all virtuous no government would be needed….

Even the system of checks and balances assumes a minimum level of human decency…

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:37:14am

re: #324 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Incentive to Flynn to really come clean and reveal totally what he know before the next sentencing hearing. Like in the trials that he will be a witness in?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:39:11am
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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:39:28am

re: #339 William Lewis

Looking for some other info, I saw this as the .sig on a wingnut’s post:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.~John Adams 1798

Now, I’ve considered looking it up to see if it’s even a true quote but lets suppose it is because that’s a perfect explanation for Trumpism: that the system was designed presuming only decent people would run it and that’s why the GOP has been so successful is ratfucking the nation since 1980.

Apparently, it’s a legit quote. But of course, there’s also context, and they tend to leave out this important lead into the quote:

because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, • would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net.

I tend to disagree with the “unbridled by religion” part, but I can forgive Adams, a man of his time, not understanding that morality and religion are not the same thing.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:39:55am

re: #339 William Lewis

Looking for some other info, I saw this as the .sig on a wingnut’s post:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other”.~John Adams 1798

Now, I’ve considered looking it up to see if it’s even a true quote but lets suppose it is because that’s a perfect explanation for Trumpism: that the system was designed presuming only decent people would run it and that’s why the GOP has been so successful is ratfucking the nation since 1980.

It is a real quote - but it’s only part of it. Here’s the full quote, from a letter he wrote, dated October 11, 1798 to officers of the Massachusetts militia:

But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation, while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candour, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in the rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world. Because we have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Note that Adams is equating morality with religion. He’s using religion as a synonym for moral thinking opposed to greed, revenge, and other motives that, as we can now clearly see, make the workings of democracy difficult.

That sig line is cherry-picked to make the claim that Adams was a proponent of organized religion and an advocate of a close relationship between church and state.

That’s simply not the case.

Context shows this. Let’s look at this excerpt from a letter Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson on December 12, 1816:

I return the Analysis of Dupuis, with my thanks for the loan of it. It is but a faint miniature of the original. I have read that original in twelve volumes, besides a thirteenth of plates. I have been a lover and a reader of romances all my life, from Don Quixote and Gil Bias to the Scottish Chiefs, and a hundred others. For the last year or two I have devoted myself to this kind of study, and have read fifteen volumes of Grimm, seven volumes of Tucker’s Neddy Search, twelve volumes of Dupuis, and Tracy’s Analysis, and four volumes of Jesuitical History! Romances all! I have learned nothing of importance to me, for they have made no change in my moral or religious creed, which has, for fifty or sixty years, been contained in four short words, “Be just and good.” In this result they all agree with me.

I must acknowledge, however, that I have found in Dupuis more ideas that were new to me, than in all the others. My conclusion from all of them is universal toleration. Is there any work extant so well calculated to discredit corruptions and impostures in religion as Dupuis?

Once again Adams equates morality with his personal religious beliefs, which boil down to being “just and good.”

Adams dismissed works of formal religious philosophy and theology as “romances” and equates them to fairy tales.

Adam’s correspondent Jefferson, of course, was a celebrated Deist who was so disdainful of religion that he famously cut much of the text out of his personal New Testament and made his own version of the Bible and Jefferson and Adams shared similar sentiments.

Anyone trying to say that a founding father was sympathetic to the idea that the United States was founded as an explicitly Christian nation might want to look at someone else besides Adams; he was not sympathetic to such an idea, despite efforts to cherry-pick quote from him and portray him as some kind of Christian fundie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:41:48am
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:45:32am

re: #211 lawhawk

They are apparently reclassifying bump stocks as machine guns, making them functionally illegal under the National Firearms Act. The problem is enforcement. Those in possession would have to turn them in.

Without any teeth to enforcement, it’s an empty gesture. Maybe Trump thinks he can blame Democrats for enforcing the law.

That puts an onus on responsible facility operators to forbid their use. Fine with me, that’s gonna get added to the rules everywhere that disallows full auto. No help at all in the backwoods hold my beer crowd. Yikes.

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KGxvi  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:47:55am

So, just ran to the store to get some half & half for my office coffee. While on the road, a version of Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer came on and now, I’m officially in the holiday spirit. It was this version, and might be my favorite Christmas song:

Grandma Got Run over by a Reindeer (feat. Bèla Fleck)

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William Lewis  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:49:08am

re: #352 Unshaken Defiance

That puts an onus on responsible facility operators to forbid their use. Fine with me, that’s gonna get added to the rules everywhere that disallows full auto. No help at all in the backwoods hold my beer crowd. Yikes.

But lets say Johnny Dip gets pulled over for DUI and that’s in the backseat. Boom, 10 year vacation at Club Fed, never own a gun again.

It’ll weed them out over time & no more will be made. They aren’t exactly without breakage either.

In the end it will fall on local prosecutors to do their job. Sorta like hate crime laws…

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dangerman  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:52:41am

re: #354 William Lewis

But lets say Johnny Dip gets pulled over for DUI and that’s in the backseat. Boom, 10 year vacation at Club Fed, never own a gun again.

It’ll weed them out over time
& no more will be made. They aren’t exactly without breakage either.

In the end it will fall on local prosecutors to do their job. Sorta like hate crime laws…

my approach to all this
draconian enforcement for demonstrated irresponsibility
weeds out the reckless
hopefully causes the otherwise responsible to control their weapons at all times

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:54:49am

re: #354 William Lewis

But lets say Johnny Dip gets pulled over for DUI and that’s in the backseat. Boom, 10 year vacation at Club Fed, never own a gun again.

It’ll weed them out over time & no more will be made. They aren’t exactly without breakage either.

In the end it will fall on local prosecutors to do their job. Sorta like hate crime laws…

The courts may end up sanctioning the legality of such a rule, but I wouldn’t count on it. Nothing about this method of banning bump stocks comports with the legal definition of a machine gun.

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retired cynic  Dec 18, 2018 • 10:54:59am

re: #353 KGxvi

So, just ran to the store to get some half & half for my office coffee. While on the road, a version of Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer came on and now, I’m officially in the holiday spirit. It was this version, and might be my favorite Christmas song:

[Embedded content]

We used to run a small “opry” and this song was a specialty of one of our “sons.” My husband just loved it, would request them to perform it every year, and would laugh all the way through. Good memory. (He also loved Mercury Blues, and they always played it for him.)

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gocart mozart  Dec 18, 2018 • 11:05:45am
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Belafon  Dec 18, 2018 • 11:50:03am

re: #251 gocart mozart

Flynn’s definitely trying for the Ollie North angle plus a pardon.


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